[RBW] Saluki For Sale... Not Mine

[Karl]

Sweet 56cm Saluki for sale in the FaceBook Rivendellicious 
 group. Someone snap this one 
up!

Karl
Nash, TN

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Re: [RBW] Saluki, first ride

['JRStern11' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Johnny, it is working great. At first I was a bit concerned because the steerer 
tube was cut shorter than my other bikes but no problem, bars are high enough 
for sure. You did me right, thank you.

Joel

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On Fri, Mar 18, 2022 at 4:44 PM, Johnny Alien  wrote:

> I'm super pumped to see this working out for you!! Great build!
>
> On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 4:24:47 PM UTC-4 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Great News. Nice photo
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 1:25 PM 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch 
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> [94A4BDD3-7098-4E68-A063-89DFAD04AC39.jpeg]Today the weather was perfect, I 
>>> had to stop to take off my windbreaker and I probably could have worn 
>>> shorts. So the bike is very smooth, I don’t remember how my too big 56cm 
>>> rode anymore but this 54 is pretty much perfect. Outfitted with everything 
>>> from my 55cm Bleriot except the brakes. I was quite surprised by the ride 
>>> as if memory serves it felt different than the Bleriot. Very stable (more 
>>> surefooted than the Bleriot), no surprises in handling. The one difference 
>>> is that when I put the seat on this (which was always attached to the 
>>> seatpost from the Bleriot the setback is a bit more). I always ride with my 
>>> seat set levels as this just works for me.I really have no idea why it felt 
>>> so good but it had me questioning the Hillborne which always felt more sure 
>>> footed than the Bleriot, but I will ride that after awhile on this one and 
>>> see. After riding the Hillborne on rollers all winter the muscles that were 
>>> not used are letting themselves be known. I am very pleased that I bought 
>>> this frame, just lovely in every way.
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Re: [RBW] Saluki, first ride

[Johnny Alien]

I'm super pumped to see this working out for you!! Great build!

On Friday, March 18, 2022 at 4:24:47 PM UTC-4 row.n.2...@gmail.com wrote:

> Great News. Nice photo
>
> On Fri, Mar 18, 2022, 1:25 PM 'Joel S' via RBW Owners Bunch <
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>
>> [image: 94A4BDD3-7098-4E68-A063-89DFAD04AC39.jpeg]Today the weather was 
>> perfect, I had to stop to take off my windbreaker and I probably could have 
>> worn shorts.  So the bike is very smooth, I don’t remember how my too big 
>> 56cm rode anymore but this 54 is pretty much perfect.  Outfitted with 
>> everything from my 55cm Bleriot except the brakes.  I was quite surprised 
>> by the ride as if memory serves it felt different than the Bleriot.  Very 
>> stable (more surefooted than the Bleriot), no surprises in handling.  The 
>> one difference is that when I put the seat on this (which was always 
>> attached to the seatpost from the Bleriot the setback is a bit more).  I 
>> always ride with my seat set levels as this just works for me.I really have 
>> no idea why it felt so good but it had me questioning the Hillborne which 
>> always felt more sure footed than the Bleriot, but I will ride that after 
>> awhile on this one and see. After riding the Hillborne on rollers all 
>> winter the muscles that were not used are letting themselves be known.  I 
>> am very pleased that I bought this frame, just lovely in every way. 
>>
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Re: [RBW] Saluki Re-Tired

[Patrick Moore]

On Tue, Oct 3, 2017 at 9:45 AM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:

> ...'... if you are tired of gushing about Compass tires just skip this
> post.
>


> Ride quality is superb, not hugely different than how I remember the
> Hetre's or SBH's actually and I'm not sure how much the tubeless really
> matters to the feel.
>

I'd be interested to hear opinions from anyone who has ridden Compass EL
models both tubed and un-tubed; is there a big difference? I expect that
there will be less difference between tubed and tubeless with very supple
tires, assuming of course the use of good tubes. But I may be wrong. I know
that 559 X 1.35 Kojaks rode noticeably smoother and, to my senses, faster,
without tubes than with, tho' I abandoned the tubeless setup for fear of
blowouts as the tires are not designed to be used sans tubes (it was only
air pressure that kept the beads in place).


> My main motivation on the tubeless is that I'll have fewer flats and at
> least not have to mess with tubes so often.
>

>From my experience with the extremely light Compass Elk Pass, as well as
with tubeless on the Matthews, I don't find that I get more flats with
tubes than without, using Orange Seal in both. Of course, I don't ride the
EPs at pressures lower than, say, 50 psi, compared to half that for the F
Freds on the Matthews.


> 
>
> Time will tell on the durability, obviously any of these light supple
> tires compromise on protection from road debris
>

I've got over 3,600 miles on my first set of Elk Passes (559 X 27-29 or so
actual on 19 and 21 mm rims ); these are 178 gram tires, friends, and I
regularly ride them in our gravely and thorn ridden dirt. 3600 miles on the
rear, and there is still plenty of tread; the front looks almost new --
that is truly amazing. I spent $1K on a dozen tires when they first came
out, thinking I'd have to install new ones after not much more than 1K
miles, but nope ...

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[RBW] Saluki Re-Tired

[WETH]

Tony,
As I have said and written on many occasions, "I love that Saluki!"  I'm glad 
you are enjoying it again!

Thanks,
Erl 

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[RBW] Saluki Re-Tired

[Tony DeFilippo]

Perhaps the better word choice would be 'renewed'... if you are tired of 
gushing about Compass tires just skip this post.  My Saluki hasn't gotten 
all that much love since my acquisition of the Jones Plus in February and 
particularly while I was experimenting with the 29x2.35 Schwable 'Big One' 
slicks on that frame (also an awesome experience).  That coupled with a 
rash of flats on two different sets of Parimoto 38mm tires on the Saluki 
over the summer and the long days making dyno lighting less of a must have 
kept the bike in the garage quite a bit.  The parimoto flats are not really 
an indictment of those tires but rather a reflection that the Mount Vernon 
Trail in vicinity of Reagan Nat'l Airport has had a ton of broken glass on 
the trails this year and it's just very hard on any tire.  I'm at risk with 
the Compass tires as well there but as I'll get into, at least I'm not 
going to be slapping $7-10 tube replacements in on a weekly basis.

While I wasn't in any hurry to get rid of the Saluki I wasn't finding a lot 
of excuses to ride it and mostly when I would I was nervous about my next 
flat and the delay that would incur.  Any mechanical doubts about a bike or 
car really detract from the use to me.  As luck would have it 
Chirs(Pondero) and I had been going back and forth about his acquiring my 
Bstone MB-5 as a DC town bike for when he is visiting his family here at 
the same time that Compass announced that their Babyshoe Pass EL's were now 
available in tubeless.  It just so happened that the MB-5 sale would 
completely cover a new set of compass tires, a set of tire wipers and 
another years BQ subscription... or at least close enough! :)

The new BSP EL's locked up pretty easily on my Velocity A23 rims and upon 
initial inflation to about 60psi to seat the beads measured a little over 
40mm.  I'm trying to run them around 25-30psi front and 40-50psi back right 
now... I give the ranges because I've been plagued with different readings 
from pretty much every gauge I own, a digital one, my floor pump and the 
gauge on my compressor all read sometimes wildly different. I have the most 
run time with the floor pump so I'm trying to trust that one.  the tires 
have grown a bit in the 2 weeks they've been on the bike just from my 
looking at the fender clearance but I haven't measured them.  Ride quality 
is superb, not hugely different than how I remember the Hetre's or SBH's 
actually and I'm not sure how much the tubeless really matters to the 
feel.  My main motivation on the tubeless is that I'll have fewer flats and 
at least not have to mess with tubes so often.  The biggest thing that has 
struck me in my rides over the weekend and this week is how quiet they are 
on the pavement.  Monday morning in the pre-dawn darkness all I could hear 
on the bike was the cassette lightly clicking as I flew around Gravelly 
Point... a really great feeling.

Time will tell on the durability, obviously any of these light supple tires 
compromise on protection from road debris but at least for now I'll 
continue to risk it.  The result so far is I have ridden the Saluki at 
every opportunity since the BSP's were mounted.  Couple pictures from 
yesterday morning's solo coffee outside including a shot of my B Cyo 
Premium headlight in case anyone was curious about that.  Short thoughts on 
the B are it's a great wide light field, not the absolute brightest but 
very good when it's really dark and definitely more than adequate for being 
seen.



 




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[RBW] Saluki.

[Hugh Smitham]

How come I rarely ever see Saluki's up on the chopping block? Did Riv only 
make a small batch?

I'd love a 56cm perhaps it's a pipe dream?

~hugh

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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[Joe Bernard]

The machines in the TdF are carbon racers sold to hardcore roadies, so it's an 
excellent comparison. They are not lifetime frames.  

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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[Orc]

The machines in the TdF are beaten to death by racers, so this isn't a 
particularly good comparison?

-david parsons

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 10:52:16 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> "Lifetime model" is "bike that will outlast you." Which is definitely true 
> of Rivendells, and not at all true of the stuff ridden in the Tour de 
> France this year. 

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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[Joe Bernard]

"Lifetime model" is "bike that will outlast you." Which is definitely true of 
Rivendells, and not at all true of the stuff ridden in the Tour de France this 
year. 

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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[Bruce]

This is too funny.  How many Rivendell models are no longer being made?  No 
such thing as a "lifetime model."  Atlantis comes closest, but it's day will 
come I thnk.

  From: Joe Bernard 
 Sometimes I chuckle at Grant's "lifetime bicycle" copy on the website: Why 
would I keep a bike for a whole lifetime?? ;-)



   

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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[Joe Bernard]

Oh no, they're long gone, John. Each sale of a bike has its specific story, but 
the reality is I go through a lot of bikes (I don't recommend this expensive 
habit). I like bicycles as mechanical and artistic objects, and there's a 
little voice in my head that often whispers "you only get so many bikes in your 
life." So I tend to enjoy them for a while, then move on to another visual and 
tactile experience. Sometimes I chuckle at Grant's "lifetime bicycle" copy on 
the website: Why would I keep a bike for a whole lifetime?? ;-)

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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[Toshi Takeuchi]

As a youngster, I rode my bike in the courtyard of my apartment building
complex over and over in circles.  I had the bright idea that I did that
circle so many times that I could ride it with my eyes closed. I tried it
and ended up with six stitches in my forehead after gashing it on top of a
metal fence.  I experienced the wisdom of Bill's words the hard way.

Toshi


On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 5:36 PM, Bill Lindsay <tapebu...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> What subtle differences do you think there are?  I think of the 650B
> Hilsen and the Saluki being identical.  Certainly they are functionally
> identical.  In my humble opinion, if there was a 54cm 650B Hilsen and a
> 54cm Saluki, built up the same and you test rode them both blindfolded, you
> would crash because riding a bicycle while blindfolded is really dangerous.
>
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 4:32:31 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>> Justin
>>
>> Thanks, I found these 2.  I was hoping for one with more RBW write up,
>> like they did for the Blerliot.
>>
>>
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Justin, Oakland <justin...@gmail.com>
>> To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Wed, Aug 2, 2017 7:23 pm
>> Subject: [RBW] Saluki Links
>>
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html#saluki
>>
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/rbw_saluki_flyer.pdf
>>
>> -J
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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[John Hawrylak]

DB

Thanks for the link to the RBW write up.  Just what I was looking for.  I 
vaguely remember it, 12 - 13 years ago??

The PH / SH chart was invaluable.  it confirms a 54cm is my size and I 
could fit a 56cm, although the 57cm TT may be a challenge.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 10:45:05 AM UTC-4, DB wrote:

> Here's an old page from the Rivendell site.
>
>
> https://web.archive.org/web/20050609023738/http://rivbike.com/html/bikes_saluki.html
>
> On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:54:39 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>>
>> All other things being equal, cantilever brakes have better fender 
>> clearance than Tektro R559s.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 8:52 AM, iamkeith  wrote:
>>
>>> Bill made me spit coffee out my nose. Thanks alot.
>>>
>>> The Saluki in question appears to be from early in the run, before 
>>> tektro made the rivendell-requested 559 sidepull brake,  so it has 
>>> cantilever brakes.  That, and possibly some different lugs, is a difference.
>>>
>>> Normally i like cantis but, in this case, I'm not sure you gain any tire 
>>> or fender clearance over the later frames and/or hilsens, and would suspect 
>>> that bridges or chainstay width or crown height are the determiners.  
>>> Perhaps someone else knows.
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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[John Hawrylak]

Joe

Thanks for the insight.  Do you still have them, or did something else 
replace them??

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 7:31:54 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:

> In what in hindsight now seems a rather rare occurrence, I've owned both a 
> 54cm Saluki and Hilsen, and they both used the same parts. It's the same 
> bike. 

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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[John Hawrylak]

Bill

Thanks for the 2 links.  I found the 1st, but not the 2nd.   I was hoping 
for a RBW write up focusing on the Saluki, but it seems there is none.  The 
2 links are like A vs B and B vs C, B + Saluki.   I remember the write ups 
on the AHH (country bike, Honus Wagner) and the Blerliot (known name, nice 
link to aviation), but can not recall a Saluki hype.   It seems like RBW 
was going through a major re-thinking of their direction at the time of the 
Saluki

Subtle Differences, really just wanted to know if any exists. I totally 
agree with your BLINDFOLD reasoning. 

John Hawrylak
Woodstown Nj

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 8:36:20 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:

> Cyclofiend's Bleriot page includes a Rivendell comparison between the 
> Bleriot and the Saluki
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bleriot/index.html
>
> Cyclofiend's Hilsen page includes a Rivendell comparison between the 
> Hilsen and the Saluki
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/hilsen/index.html
>
> What subtle differences do you think there are?  I think of the 650B 
> Hilsen and the Saluki being identical.  Certainly they are functionally 
> identical.  In my humble opinion, if there was a 54cm 650B Hilsen and a 
> 54cm Saluki, built up the same and you test rode them both blindfolded, you 
> would crash because riding a bicycle while blindfolded is really dangerous. 
>  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 4:32:31 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>> Justin
>>  
>> Thanks, I found these 2.  I was hoping for one with more RBW write up, 
>> like they did for the Blerliot.
>>  
>>  
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>  
>>  
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Justin, Oakland <justin...@gmail.com>
>> To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Wed, Aug 2, 2017 7:23 pm
>> Subject: [RBW] Saluki Links
>>
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html#saluki
>>
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/rbw_saluki_flyer.pdf
>>
>> -J
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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[Les Lammers]

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 8:36:20 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Cyclofiend's Bleriot page includes a Rivendell comparison between the 
> Bleriot and the Saluki
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bleriot/index.html
>
> Cyclofiend's Hilsen page includes a Rivendell comparison between the 
> Hilsen and the Saluki
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/hilsen/index.html
>
> What subtle differences do you think there are?  I think of the 650B 
> Hilsen and the Saluki being identical.  Certainly they are functionally 
> identical.  *In my humble opinion, if there was a 54cm 650B Hilsen and a 
> 54cm Saluki, built up the same and you test rode them both blindfolded, you 
> would crash because riding a bicycle while blindfolded is really dangerous. 
>  *
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>
 
Wild Bill, that made my day. :-) The Bleriot was purported to be the poor 
guys Saluki. So all three may be very similar riding.

>
> On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 4:32:31 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
>>
>> Justin
>>  
>> Thanks, I found these 2.  I was hoping for one with more RBW write up, 
>> like they did for the Blerliot.
>>  
>>  
>> John Hawrylak
>> Woodstown NJ
>>  
>>  
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Justin, Oakland <justin...@gmail.com>
>> To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com>
>> Sent: Wed, Aug 2, 2017 7:23 pm
>> Subject: [RBW] Saluki Links
>>
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html#saluki
>>
>> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/rbw_saluki_flyer.pdf
>>
>> -J
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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[DB]

Here's an old page from the Rivendell site.

https://web.archive.org/web/20050609023738/http://rivbike.com/html/bikes_saluki.html

On Thursday, August 3, 2017 at 6:54:39 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
>
> All other things being equal, cantilever brakes have better fender 
> clearance than Tektro R559s.
>
> On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 8:52 AM, iamkeith  > wrote:
>
>> Bill made me spit coffee out my nose. Thanks alot.
>>
>> The Saluki in question appears to be from early in the run, before tektro 
>> made the rivendell-requested 559 sidepull brake,  so it has cantilever 
>> brakes.  That, and possibly some different lugs, is a difference.
>>
>> Normally i like cantis but, in this case, I'm not sure you gain any tire 
>> or fender clearance over the later frames and/or hilsens, and would suspect 
>> that bridges or chainstay width or crown height are the determiners.  
>> Perhaps someone else knows.
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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[Tim Gavin]

All other things being equal, cantilever brakes have better fender
clearance than Tektro R559s.

On Thu, Aug 3, 2017 at 8:52 AM, iamkeith  wrote:

> Bill made me spit coffee out my nose. Thanks alot.
>
> The Saluki in question appears to be from early in the run, before tektro
> made the rivendell-requested 559 sidepull brake,  so it has cantilever
> brakes.  That, and possibly some different lugs, is a difference.
>
> Normally i like cantis but, in this case, I'm not sure you gain any tire
> or fender clearance over the later frames and/or hilsens, and would suspect
> that bridges or chainstay width or crown height are the determiners.
> Perhaps someone else knows.
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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[iamkeith]

Bill made me spit coffee out my nose. Thanks alot.

The Saluki in question appears to be from early in the run, before tektro made 
the rivendell-requested 559 sidepull brake,  so it has cantilever brakes.  
That, and possibly some different lugs, is a difference.

Normally i like cantis but, in this case, I'm not sure you gain any tire or 
fender clearance over the later frames and/or hilsens, and would suspect that 
bridges or chainstay width or crown height are the determiners.  Perhaps 
someone else knows.

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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[Joe Bernard]

In what in hindsight now seems a rather rare occurrence, I've owned both a 54cm 
Saluki and Hilsen, and they both used the same parts. It's the same bike. 

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Re: [Ext] Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[Allingham II, Thomas J. (Retired Partner)]

;-)

Sent from my iPhone

On Aug 2, 2017, at 8:36 PM, Bill Lindsay 
<tapebu...@gmail.com<mailto:tapebu...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Cyclofiend's Bleriot page includes a Rivendell comparison between the Bleriot 
and the Saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bleriot/index.html

Cyclofiend's Hilsen page includes a Rivendell comparison between the Hilsen and 
the Saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/hilsen/index.html

What subtle differences do you think there are?  I think of the 650B Hilsen and 
the Saluki being identical.  Certainly they are functionally identical.  In my 
humble opinion, if there was a 54cm 650B Hilsen and a 54cm Saluki, built up the 
same and you test rode them both blindfolded, you would crash because riding a 
bicycle while blindfolded is really dangerous.

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 4:32:31 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
Justin

Thanks, I found these 2.  I was hoping for one with more RBW write up, like 
they did for the Blerliot.


John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ


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http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html#saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/rbw_saluki_flyer.pdf

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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[Bill Lindsay]

Cyclofiend's Bleriot page includes a Rivendell comparison between the 
Bleriot and the Saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/bleriot/index.html

Cyclofiend's Hilsen page includes a Rivendell comparison between the Hilsen 
and the Saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/hilsen/index.html

What subtle differences do you think there are?  I think of the 650B Hilsen 
and the Saluki being identical.  Certainly they are functionally identical. 
 In my humble opinion, if there was a 54cm 650B Hilsen and a 54cm Saluki, 
built up the same and you test rode them both blindfolded, you would crash 
because riding a bicycle while blindfolded is really dangerous.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA

On Wednesday, August 2, 2017 at 4:32:31 PM UTC-7, John Hawrylak wrote:
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> Justin
>  
> Thanks, I found these 2.  I was hoping for one with more RBW write up, 
> like they did for the Blerliot.
>  
>  
> John Hawrylak
> Woodstown NJ
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
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> To: RBW Owners Bunch <rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com >
> Sent: Wed, Aug 2, 2017 7:23 pm
> Subject: [RBW] Saluki Links
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html#saluki
>
> http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/rbw_saluki_flyer.pdf
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Re: [RBW] Saluki Links

[John Hawrylak]

Justin
 
Thanks, I found these 2.  I was hoping for one with more RBW write up, like 
they did for the Blerliot.
 
 
John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

 
 
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http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html#saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/rbw_saluki_flyer.pdf

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[RBW] Saluki Links

[Justin, Oakland]

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw/geometry.html#saluki

http://www.cyclofiend.com/Images/pdf/rbw_saluki_flyer.pdf

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[RBW] Saluki Links

[John Hawrylak]

Does any one have any links to the RBW literature on the early Saluki's???  
looking at the 54cm on Seattle CL, since it is my size.

I know the Saluki's transformed into the 650B AHHs, but there seems to be 
subtle differences.

I thought there were links on Cyclofiend's site, but have not located them


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Re: [RBW] Saluki - Dog Trailers?

[Jim Dobbins]

Eunice, 
Thanks. I’m encouraged that Maggie is using a  ‘DoggyRide’ trailer which is 
what I’m pondering.
-JimD
 On Jun 4, 2015, at 4:17 PM, Eunice Chang sleepyn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 This thread reminded me of this ride Maggie is doing with her dog Oscar:
 
 http://totalwomenscycling.com/lifestyle/gallery-65-year-old-maggies-5000-mile-challenge-dog-oscar-underway-46838/1
  
 http://totalwomenscycling.com/lifestyle/gallery-65-year-old-maggies-5000-mile-challenge-dog-oscar-underway-46838/1
 
 I'm not sure, but I *think* the dog gets to run/walk on some of the uphills. 
 :)
 
 -E.
 
 
 
 On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 5:21 PM, KenP krpeyto...@gmail.com 
 mailto:krpeyto...@gmail.com wrote:
 Um, does anyone carry a saluki with a Saluki?  :)
 
 On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 10:12:43 AM UTC-4, rasterdogs wrote:
 I'm exploring the use of a dog trailer so I can take our new pup to work with 
 me.  
 
 I'll use my Saluki if I do this.
 
 I'm interested of others have experience towing trailers with their Riv's. 
 I'm thinking a Doggyride trailer looks like a good choice.
 
 Thanks,
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Re: [RBW] Saluki - Dog Trailers?

[Jim Dobbins]

Thanks! Our dog, Josey is pretty high drive but is getting well trained.  
Photos here:
https://flic.kr/s/aHsk7BBEN3

 On Jun 2, 2015, at 10:11 AM, Leslie leslie.bri...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 When we head to the coast, I rent a trailer, to tow one of the kids 
 around   
 https://www.flickr.com/photos/leslie_bright/17732968054/in/album-72157623199721925/
  
 
 I've had no problems, ridin' around the village...   but yes, it can tip the 
 bike over, if weight is getting shifted around...   how well behaved is the 
 dog?   
 
 The Bombadil is a stout bike, tho'... not that I don't think the Saluki could 
 handle it, but, the Bomba is a workhorse of a bike
 
 
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Re: [RBW] Saluki - Dog Trailers?

[Jim Dobbins]

Shoji,
Thanks, I’m mainly going to use it on my commute to work. I’m fortunate that it 
is ~6 miles and on quiet streets and a paved trail. I’m lucky that I can devote 
the Saluki to this and keep free my custom from this task.
-JimD

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 Hi Jim,
 I have used my AHH and Hunqapillar to tow a Burley trailer with kids. Kids 
 and toys probably weighed 60# or 70# (on the Hunqapillar). For AHH, I only 
 loaded it with one child-- probably 30#.
 
 There are limitations to trailers and carrying live weight. 
 
 The Burley trailer is a two-wheeled trailer. From what I can see, the 
 Doggyride is also two wheeled. Though stable for loading, it can be tipped 
 when going over uneven ground or taking a turn too quickly. If you're going 
 on trails, be mindful of rocks and logs. It looks like the wheels on the 
 Doggyride don't have bumpers-- narrow pathways (e.g., between trees on a 
 trail or bollards on a path) could be problematic if the wheel strikes it. 
 
 Kids and dogs moving in a trailer can influence the handling of the bike. It 
 depends on the weight and how much they're moving around. 
 
 good luck,
 Shoji
 
 
 
 On Tuesday, June 2, 2015 at 10:12:43 AM UTC-4, rasterdogs wrote:
 I'm exploring the use of a dog trailer so I can take our new pup to work with 
 me.  
 
 I'll use my Saluki if I do this.
 
 I'm interested of others have experience towing trailers with their Riv's. 
 I'm thinking a Doggyride trailer looks like a good choice.
 
 Thanks,
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[RBW] Saluki - Dog Trailers?

[Kainalu]

I have a Surly trailer that could carry a mastiff or two. The pivot point is 
set well below the axle, so the trailer's effect handling is minimal. And the 
pivot support distributes any stresses to both sides of the rear axle, which 
rules. The only tradeoff is weight, it's heavy as sin, but a light bike can 
pull it without a problem so long as the rear wheel's sturdy.
-Kai

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[RBW] Saluki - Dog Trailers?

[Jim Dobbins]

I'm exploring the use of a dog trailer so I can take our new pup to work
with me.

I'll use my Saluki if I do this.

I'm interested of others have experience towing trailers with their Riv's.
I'm thinking a Doggyride trailer looks like a good choice.

Thanks,
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[RBW] Saluki With Dog Trailer?

[Jim Dobbins]

We have a new puppy and taking care of her has impacted my regular bike 
commuting to work.

I’m exploring the idea of getting a Doggyride trailer to hook to the Saluki to 
take the pup to work with me.

Has anyone here had experience with this or any other trailer on their bike?

-JimD

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Re: [RBW] Saluki - Dog Trailers?

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my buddy did just this with is Saluki. he fashioned chicken wire around an 
existing trailer to tow his pooch around

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Re: [RBW] Saluki - Dog Trailers?

[blakcloud]

I have used trailers for the last twenty years in some form or another. My 
current rig is my Sam pulling a Burley Travoy. This trailer is light and 
even when loaded isn't a problem. I love trailers and if I had a dog I 
would do the same thing as you. Have fun. 

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[RBW] Saluki on it's way back

[Tony DeFilippo]

http://dr2dc.blogspot.com/2015/05/re-building-saluki-components-highlights.html

Component glamour shots as I anxiously await my frame.  After almost 9 
month's I should be less than 2 weeks away from getting the Saluki back out 
on the trails here is the first of what should be several rapid fire 
posts on the build.  Everything is ready and waiting so I expect to have 
her rolling w/in 24hrs of receipt from the powdercoater.  

Today's ride to Port City Brewery in Alexandria on the Bombadil was the 
perfect thing to keep my mind occupied though.  Great weather all around 
here in DC lately and I'm looking forward to getting in several solid 
commuting days this week.  More soon!

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[RBW] Saluki

[Kellie]

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Almost done! New to me Saluki; waiting on pedals and Lumotec Eyc. 
Eventually a saddle bag.

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[RBW] Saluki or Bleriot PBH?

[David Stein]

Does anyone have any guidelines on sizing Bleriot or Saluki's by PBH? I see 
a few pop up for sale and curious what Rivendell's official recommendations 
were on PBH sizing when they were available? For reference, I have an 80 
PBH, 5'7, average build, 165 lbs (in case anyone is close to that size and 
rides one and can speak from experience). Lastly, if anyone is looking at 
parting ways with their Saluki/Bleriot/AHH, I may be buying. Thanks!

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Re: [RBW] Saluki or Bleriot PBH?

[JL]

David,

I am roughly your size and have a matching PBH.  I owned a saluki for a while, 
and have owned other RIvendell bicycles.  I fit best on the 54 saluki / 55 
bleriot.  

I am happy to give further details about fit and sizing as I experienced it if 
you would like.

Cheers
Jason
sf,ca

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 Does anyone have any guidelines on sizing Bleriot or Saluki's by PBH? I see a 
 few pop up for sale and curious what Rivendell's official recommendations 
 were on PBH sizing when they were available? For reference, I have an 80 PBH, 
 5'7, average build, 165 lbs (in case anyone is close to that size and rides 
 one and can speak from experience). Lastly, if anyone is looking at parting 
 ways with their Saluki/Bleriot/AHH, I may be buying. Thanks!
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[RBW] Saluki Touch Up Paint ??

[Michael Hechmer]

At least judging from the pictures on the cyclofiend collection there seem 
to have been a variety of Saluki colors over time, and brake styles too. 
 Mine is gray and I suspect a very early edition, # SA 0011. It has canti 
brakes.  It could use a little touch up on the BB shell and around the drop 
outs.  Does anyone know the exact brand  color to use.

Here are some pictures but the color seems to vary with the lighting.

Michael


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[RBW] Saluki takes me for a swim

[Michael Hechmer]

It's a beautiful day, so Saluki and I rode down to my favorite spot for a 
swim.

Which makes me think, a Riv Jamboree needs a good swimming hole, a big 
barbecue pit, and some liquefaction to celebrate with.

Hey Eric, Minnesota has lots of trails  lakes and a good airport.  It is 
unfortunately flat and all the people speak minnesotan!

https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A25n8hH4lv170

blessings,
michael
Westford, VT (which is also a great place to ride-a-riv.)


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[RBW] Saluki at 2200 feet

[Michael Hechmer]

One of my long time rides takes me up to Smugglers Notch. I've done this 45 
mile ride from my home pretty much once a year for the past thirty years 
and one of my life goals is to do it for my 70th birthday, 15 months from 
now.  The climb has 1800 feet of climbing in a 9 mile stretch, but 1000 
feet of that comes in the last 3 miles of steady 7-10%, and most of the 
rest in the first mile.  I'm about 25% slower now than I was at the turn of 
the millennium and this time I had to walk up the 75-100 meters of 20%+ 
grade, but I made it, and am feeling pretty good about that, even though it 
seems clear I will need to loose 20 lbs if I want to ride up non stop a 
year from now..  Ms Saluki is quite comfortable going back down at 45 mph.

https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A2Grq0zwGOWHQK

It's hard to see altitude!

Michael

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[RBW] Saluki at 2200 feet

[WETH]

Michael, that is a great goal!  Be sure to make a photograph when you reach the 
top on your 70th.  

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[RBW] Saluki at 2200 feet

[Christopher Murray]

A great ride and a great goal! I haven't been there in years but love that 
road- especially coming up from the Stowe side. Good luck! 

Cheers! 
cm

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Re: [RBW] Saluki at 2200 feet

[Patrick Moore]

Good on yer, mate! I hope I can do something similar at your age (I'm 58).

What gearing? Do I see a compact double?

On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.comwrote:

 One of my long time rides takes me up to Smugglers Notch. I've done this
 45 mile ride from my home pretty much once a year for the past thirty years
 and one of my life goals is to do it for my 70th birthday, 15 months from
 now.  The climb has 1800 feet of climbing in a 9 mile stretch, but 1000
 feet of that comes in the last 3 miles of steady 7-10%, and most of the
 rest in the first mile.  I'm about 25% slower now than I was at the turn of
 the millennium and this time I had to walk up the 75-100 meters of 20%+
 grade, but I made it, and am feeling pretty good about that, even though it
 seems clear I will need to loose 20 lbs if I want to ride up non stop a
 year from now..  Ms Saluki is quite comfortable going back down at 45 mph.

 https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A2Grq0zwGOWHQK

 It's hard to see altitude!

 Michael

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Re: [RBW] Saluki at 2200 feet

[Michael Hechmer]

No CD on this bike, but I do ride a 44/30  11-28 on the Rambouillet.  This 
one is 48/34/26 with a 12/27 cassette.  On the Ram the 30/28 allows me to 
hold a decent cadence in 7/9 % grades for 1/2 to 3/4 of a mile.  I'm OK on 
short ramps of 15-16 % which are common here, but after that I start to 
suffer more than I want to.  That one extra gear really helps on these 
longer climbs.

Michael

On Saturday, July 13, 2013 6:29:33 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:

 Good on yer, mate! I hope I can do something similar at your age (I'm 58). 
  

 What gearing? Do I see a compact double?

 On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 12:03 PM, Michael Hechmer 
 mhec...@gmail.comjavascript:
  wrote:

 One of my long time rides takes me up to Smugglers Notch. I've done this 
 45 mile ride from my home pretty much once a year for the past thirty years 
 and one of my life goals is to do it for my 70th birthday, 15 months from 
 now.  The climb has 1800 feet of climbing in a 9 mile stretch, but 1000 
 feet of that comes in the last 3 miles of steady 7-10%, and most of the 
 rest in the first mile.  I'm about 25% slower now than I was at the turn of 
 the millennium and this time I had to walk up the 75-100 meters of 20%+ 
 grade, but I made it, and am feeling pretty good about that, even though it 
 seems clear I will need to loose 20 lbs if I want to ride up non stop a 
 year from now..  Ms Saluki is quite comfortable going back down at 45 mph.

 https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A2Grq0zwGOWHQK

 It's hard to see altitude!

 Michael

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Re: [RBW] Saluki at 2200 feet

[Patrick Moore]

My Ram has a 44/30 too, though with a 14-23 7 speed (14-15-16-17-18-20-23).
But most of my hills are short (1 mile or less), if steep, and if longer,
pretty gradual. And I am a masher.



On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote:

 No CD on this bike, but I do ride a 44/30  11-28 on the Rambouillet.
  This one is 48/34/26 with a 12/27 cassette.  On the Ram the 30/28 allows
 me to hold a decent cadence in 7/9 % grades for 1/2 to 3/4 of a mile.  I'm
 OK on short ramps of 15-16 % which are common here, but after that I start
 to suffer more than I want to.  That one extra gear really helps on these
 longer climbs.


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Re: [RBW] Saluki at 2200 feet

[Bruce Herbitter]

On vacation in 2005, we stayed at Smugglers Inn. I pedaled my Trek
Navigator over the Notch and then down into Stowe, and then another day
down to the trail along the Lamoille River.  Beautiful in the Summer. I
rode the bike as well on the snowshoe paths, but man was that tough work!
Nice pictures!


On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:03 PM, Michael Hechmer mhech...@gmail.com wrote:

 One of my long time rides takes me up to Smugglers Notch. I've done this
 45 mile ride from my home pretty much once a year for the past thirty years
 and one of my life goals is to do it for my 70th birthday, 15 months from
 now.  The climb has 1800 feet of climbing in a 9 mile stretch, but 1000
 feet of that comes in the last 3 miles of steady 7-10%, and most of the
 rest in the first mile.  I'm about 25% slower now than I was at the turn of
 the millennium and this time I had to walk up the 75-100 meters of 20%+
 grade, but I made it, and am feeling pretty good about that, even though it
 seems clear I will need to loose 20 lbs if I want to ride up non stop a
 year from now..  Ms Saluki is quite comfortable going back down at 45 mph.

 https://www.icloud.com/photostream/#A2Grq0zwGOWHQK

 It's hard to see altitude!

 Michael

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[RBW] Saluki love tires

[Michael Hechmer]

I am loving my new Saluki with Pari- Moto tires.  What a blend of comfort  
performance!  But I am also looking ahead and wondering if the Heters will 
fit under the VO Al fenders.  It looks like a kinda tight fit.  Any 
experience?

Michael

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[RBW] Saluki stuff

[Bruce Herbitter]

The question earlier about Pea Sage Green got me hunting down the actual
color name for the early Saluki (Yellow Olive) but a crawl through old
pages showed up something I missed until now.  This little tidbit:  
Yes, you can use 700c or (on the centerpull version) mountain bike 26-inch
wheels, but the frame is designed for 650Bs, and the others should be
regarded as life-or-death options for escaping mean cowboys in
middle-of-the-desert saloons, after you flatten their tires and scatter
their horses.

 If mine were a center pull model, you can be sure I'd beat a path to the
garage to play musical wheel sets and see how the rides compare.  I've
always liked it as a 650B though. Loved it as I toodled on down to City
Hall yesterday to meet the mayor (and talk bike stuff for our little town)
and chained it up to the fence there. In fact, I don't have a 700 wheel
bike at all anymore.

Tailwinds

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[RBW] Saluki stuff

[justinaugust]

Here I sit. A Saluki. With side pulls. And a 700c Rich built wheelset 
downstairs. Hmmm. Hmmm. Hmmm. 

I'm more interested in the 26 honestly. 

-J

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Re: [RBW] Saluki stuff

[James Warren]

I'm guessing you'd use short-reach sidepulls with the 700c wheels. It's like 
the opposite of a 650B conversion of a late 80's road bike.


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Here I sit. A Saluki. With side pulls. And a 700c Rich built wheelset 
downstairs. Hmmm. Hmmm. Hmmm. 

I'm more interested in the 26 honestly. 

-J

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Re: [RBW] Saluki stuff

[Joe Bernard]

Yep. There is/was a 650b Hilsen staff bike at Riv converted to 700c wheels 
and short-reach brakes.

On Tuesday, April 9, 2013 5:10:45 PM UTC-7, James Warren wrote:


 I'm guessing you'd use short-reach sidepulls with the 700c wheels. It's 
 like the opposite of a 650B conversion of a late 80's road bike. 


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 I'm more interested in the 26 honestly. 
  
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Re: [RBW] Saluki stuff

[justinaugust]

Any 26 successes?

-J

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Re: [RBW] Saluki stuff

[C.J. Filip]

Have a freshly built 26 wheel with WI ENO eccentric hub.  Single speed 
Saluki?!  Will try it.

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 Any 26 successes?

 -J


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[RBW] Saluki Shake Down Ride!

[Michael Hechmer]

Today was a major transition day.  I trimmed and mounted the bedroom doors, 
thus bringing an end to a renovation project that has occupied me since new 
years; cleaned my shop; put in an order for vegetable seeds; and took the 
new to me Saluki for an hour and half shake down cruise.  Given temps in 
the hi 30s, I skipped the screaming down hill test.  

It is with very mixed emotions that I have to report that this bike is in 
much better condition than I am!

The bike came to me with the 600 HS, PW bottom bracket, Riv wheels  Pari 
Moto tires, Mafac levers, as well as a beautiful, classic Specialized 
crank, VO AL. fenders and racks  Unfortunately, I needed to replace the 
Nitto Pearl stem with something shorter and decided to try a Mark's Bar. ( 
the jury is still out on the latter)  I swapped out a nice pair of classic 
pedals for my White Ind  Bruce Gordon clips, replaced a hi polish tektro 
brakes with my neo-retros, and Deore detailers for older campy Centaur  
Mirage. Early, Selle Anatomica saddle.

As I was headed out, it occurred to me I should take some pics before this 
dog rolled in mud.  My quick photography doesn't do it justice but the 
slide show comes closest to capturing the nice paint job.  I think I will 
rewrap the bars with something more mellow, in cloth.

https://plus.google.com/photos/110692344592863063357/albums/5859744561306659185?gpinv=AMIXal9g7EErBUEyUYKaPP0wgSM6C9TiKHn9Ni94wEiDyjh8RMWDjfgGWcn720PAA0GPAYPthzVhg3mwJy6o8itISEf6eD3NAZcYRv_LMkVKt8hCyyXWRU0cfem=1authkey=CM-RtYmyvOKvxAE

Next I'm off on  a road trip, alas without a bike.  Hope to be in St Paul 
for a conference by the 11th.  Jim, if time permits, I'll come by your shop 
and drool on something!

Michael


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Re: [RBW] Saluki Shake Down Ride!

[René Sterental]

Very nice!

On Tuesday, March 26, 2013, Michael wrote:

 Classy!! Looks like a very Riv-Rando-ready bike!! Congrats.


 What did you mean by mixed emotions?. Were you hurting after the ride?

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[RBW] Saluki Brake / Rack Mating Question

[Michael Hechmer]

I recently bought an almost new Saluki, advertised on this site. There 
should have been a bidding war for this bike, but that's another question. 
  This bike is drop dead gorgeous and I am looking forward to the end of 
Mud Season here in Vermont to take it out on the road.  Meanwhile I have 
been working on a few, unfortunately, necessary changes.  The stem / TT 
combination is too long for me and unfortunately had to be changed out from 
a beautiful Nitto Pearl.  That went straight forward.

But the brake  rack combination has created some perplexity.  The bike 
came with a pair of Tektro brakes, identical to the ones RIV sells, except 
a high polish finish; and a VO rack 
( 
http://store.velo-orange.com/index.php/accessories/racks-decaleurs/racks/pass-hunter-front-rack-with-integrated-decaleur.html
 
) which mounts through the canti brakes.  It also has a set of VO AL 
fenders which are bolted to the fenders.

I wanted to swap the brakes for my Neo Retros, which first required a new 
mounting bolt, which I obtained from Pauls.  But when I mounted them on the 
bile I found that the rack no longer mated with the fender.  Apparently the 
Paul bolt is beefier and longer than the VO version.  As a result the rack 
sits about an inch or more above the fenders.

This presents me with some options

  A: Can I bend the rack to fit?  This doesn't look easy.
  B: Ignore the problem and the connection between the rack and front 
fender.
  C: Sell the rack and use an M12 mounted to the fork braise ons, which 
will probably create a different contact point on the fender.
  D: Abandon the Pauls brakes.



Help wanted.

Michael
 

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[RBW] Saluki Brake / Rack Mating Question

[Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery]

Spacer?

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[RBW] Saluki Brake / Rack Mating Question

[Minh]

Agree with Jim. Spacer. Even with a nit to you might still need a spacer. If 
you're happy with the rack come up with a spacer solution. Cork or nylon or 
some combo

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[RBW] Saluki Brake / Rack Mating Question

[William]

I would advise ditching the Paul brakes.  The Tektros are fine and will play 
nice with the rack.  If you have mid fork braze ons so that a Nitto Mini Front 
would fit, then that could present an option, but an M12 won't be any better on 
Paul brakes than that VO is.  Paul has way too much stack up.

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[RBW] Saluki frameset for sale 650b

[hobie]

Pea Sage Green 58cm 650b sidepull/centerpull Saluki 3 water bottle making 
it a Waterford built frameset, correct me if I'm wrong on that one. I'm the 
original owner and purchased it from The CountryBbike Shop in Ohio. 
Wonderful riding bike! It does have a number of paint chips, scratches from 
usage. It also has a ding/dent around 4-5mm long on the top tube. I rode 
it like this for around a year. It has been framed saved from the getgo a 
few times and the chips covered w. clear nail polish. Alot of the 
scratches/chips will be hidden once the bike is a assembled. Frame and 
fork. Email me off list for pictures.  Asking $775.00 plus actual shipping.

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[RBW] Saluki

[SeanMac]

I have noticed several Salukis for sale recently on ebay.  I know that this 
bike was produced before the Bleriot, but I have had a somewhat difficult 
time finding information about it on the web.  I am hoping that a list 
member or three might be able to shed some light on this bike for me. 

 I'm in the market for a bike for longer rides and perhaps some short 
touring - Erie Canal, C  O Trail, etc.  I've had my eyes on a Sam for some 
time, but have not yet pulled the trigger (might on the all-blue Sam - what 
a deal).  Would a Saluki be well-suited for this kind of riding or is it 
really designed as a country bike / credit card tourer / rambler / century 
ride bike?

How would the Saluki compare to a Homer?

I can't seem to find a chart that matches PBH to Saluki sizing.  Should I 
simply use the general chart on the Riv site, matching the 650b section to 
my height to choose the correct Saluki?

Thanks,

Sean

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Re: [RBW] Saluki porn

[Steven Frederick]

Looks great, man!  Glad it found a good home.

Steve

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 this pin-up pic ...

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Re: [RBW] Saluki porn

[Seth Vidal]

On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:06 PM, jeffrey kane jsk_onl...@mac.com wrote:
 Sorry, been having an amazing 18 months on this baby and just had to post
 this pin-up pic ...


Dude. Beautiful. I love the hetre-red and the butterscotch frame.

It reminds me of this one:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36397392@N06/sets/72157615351530151/

-sv

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RE: [RBW] Saluki porn

[Marc Schwartz]

Hung it up in my bunk next to the Betty Grable. Take that, Shikelgruber!

Marc is there any coffee left? S.

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Sorry, been having an amazing 18 months on this baby and just had to post this 
pin-up pic ...

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RE: [RBW] Saluki porn

[Marc Schwartz]

Looks like the lady had a bath before the modeling shoot!

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On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:06 PM, jeffrey kane jsk_onl...@mac.com wrote:
 Sorry, been having an amazing 18 months on this baby and just had to post
 this pin-up pic ...


Dude. Beautiful. I love the hetre-red and the butterscotch frame.

It reminds me of this one:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/36397392@N06/sets/72157615351530151/

-sv

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Re: [RBW] Saluki porn

[James Warren]

Needs to be taken on a ride in the redwoods.

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[RBW] Saluki Participates Undercover in ArtCar+Bike Parade

[Liesl]

An incognito sighting of a small red saluki mascarading as an art bike at 
the Minneapolis Art Car and ArtBike Parade.

http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/news/2012/07/22/art-cars-bikes-parade-minneapolis

Go to the window with the TC Daily planet logo and hit play.  Suspicious 
bike and alleged unoffical scout are in last slide.  

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[RBW] Saluki on a brevet

[Bruce Herbitter]

Rode a Riv Saluki on Saturday. Despite being too windy out at times, it was
a great day to ride. Mix of flats and hills and my bike and Hillborne that
showed up, but due a phone call from the maternity ward, did not ride were
the only 650B reps out there. I've had Grand Bois Oursons on the bike since
I bought them for a 3 day solo tour in '09. Despite Jan moving to what he
feels is a smoother tire, I've been very happy with these and when they
finally wear out, I have a back up set to put on. The bike was always
comfy, regardless of road surface and stable enough to ride no hands (no
stunt riding. Sitting all the way upright to stretch my back at intervals)
with a STUFFED front rack bag too.

Some take-aways for me from the ride:

The Xpack lithium cell recharger will power up your Garmin and your cell
phone and your whatever and still have plenty to spare before it needs
recharging. They are on sale (Reg price is $44.99) at Office Depot for
about $15. Comes with an assortment of plug ends to suit Apple, Blackberry,
etc. You can order others as needed. The size of a pocket calculator.

Keen Kelonas are outstanding riding shoes on Grip King pedals. I tried them
because I love the keen sandals in the summer.  Mine are roomy enough for
thicker wool socks and with a big toe box there is room for air to
circulate, so sweat evaporates away. They are light, but the leather
provides defense against cold wind. Of course, people like Kieen because
they are comfy to wear as well.

A $6 highway worker DOT vest is a great low cost option for your visibility
needs. Very bright, and less $ than a cycling webstore. Check your local
industrial supply place. I also picked up a pair of over my glasses UV
treated tinted safety glasses. They provide excellent eye protection from
debris and stay put on your head just fine. Very light and again, about $6.
Lastly, I bought 2' of DOT spec reflective tape and put pieces of it here
and there.

Couple of pictures here:
https://picasaweb.google.com/103372863272345033417/PrattvilleBrevet

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[RBW] Saluki Tubing Specs

[Rob Harrison]

All this talk about standard vs OS tubing over on some other list has me 
curious: Anyone know the tubing specs for a 62cm Saluki? Who made the tubing? 
Was it all standard size? I've heard it might have been 8-5-8 all around. Was 
that true in every size? Grant?

Thank you!

Rob in Seattle

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[RBW] Saluki build decisions

[nathan spindel]

Yesterday at the RBW garage sale I picked up a 50cm 650B Saluki frame.
I'm going to build it up as a road bike / occasional light S24O
hauler. The rider will be a lightweight 5'5 lady, so it'll be able to
carry a 10-20 lb load just fine.

I have much of the build planned out (Noodles w/ bar-ends, XD2, B-17,
rear rack) but haven't decided on:

 1. brakes (Silvers or Dia-Compe's or Paul center-pulls?)
 2. wheels (Rich-built Synergy 32h 105?)
 3. tires (Soma Xpress 38? Pari-Moto? CdlV?)

What would you suggest for those components, given the uses above?
Thanks for your advice!

-nathan

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Re: [RBW] Saluki build decisions

[cyclotourist]

1 - Brakes:  Love the silvers.  Some complain of too much flex, but I found
them to be perfect.
2 - Wheels:  find a used set of the Synergy/Deore wheels that QBP sold.
3 -Tires: I'd get some Hetres.

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 Yesterday at the RBW garage sale I picked up a 50cm 650B Saluki frame.
 I'm going to build it up as a road bike / occasional light S24O
 hauler. The rider will be a lightweight 5'5 lady, so it'll be able to
 carry a 10-20 lb load just fine.

 I have much of the build planned out (Noodles w/ bar-ends, XD2, B-17,
 rear rack) but haven't decided on:

  1. brakes (Silvers or Dia-Compe's or Paul center-pulls?)
  2. wheels (Rich-built Synergy 32h 105?)
  3. tires (Soma Xpress 38? Pari-Moto? CdlV?)

 What would you suggest for those components, given the uses above?
 Thanks for your advice!

 -nathan

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Re: [RBW] Saluki build decisions

[Steve Palincsar]

On Sun, 2010-10-03 at 11:16 -0700, nathan spindel wrote:
 Yesterday at the RBW garage sale I picked up a 50cm 650B Saluki frame.
 I'm going to build it up as a road bike / occasional light S24O
 hauler. The rider will be a lightweight 5'5 lady, so it'll be able to
 carry a 10-20 lb load just fine.
 
 I have much of the build planned out (Noodles w/ bar-ends, XD2, B-17,
 rear rack) but haven't decided on:
 
  1. brakes (Silvers or Dia-Compe's or Paul center-pulls?)

Paul center pulls are phenomenal brakes.  They're also expensive, but in
my opinion worth it.


  3. tires (Soma Xpress 38? Pari-Moto? CdlV?)

Much depends here on your goals, and how you intend to use the bike.
CdlVs last a very long time, are quite sturdy and hold up well on gravel
and in commuting service, and they're quite inexpensive.  They do make
noise, and some people feel they squirm in hard cornering, and they
aren't the fastest rolling 650B tires.  

Pari Motos are light, fast, and corner extremely well.  They're also
fairly expensive and they wear much faster than either Hetres or CdlVs
(I just replaced my back tire at 1650 miles).  I've found them quite
robust.  Peter Weigle used them on the Deerfield Dirt Road Randonnee and
on other dirt road rides near his shop, and finds they hold up well on
gravel.

Hetres will fit - at least, they fit my 60cm Saluki, but in order to fit
the 58mm fender between the chainstays I had to cut it down.  Hetres are
absolutely phenomenal on gravel.  There's so much cushion and so much
floatation.  It gives you a tremendous sense of comfort and control.
Hetres are also long-wearing.  They do have thin sidewalls, and some
people have found the sidewalls to be fragile and easily cut; this seems
to depend on what the geology's like where you ride.  Here in Northern
Virginia, the sidewalls hold up very well.  They're not cheap, but they
will last a long time, and for a tire that long wearing they're very
fast-rolling, too.  

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Re: [RBW] Saluki build decisions

[Rob Harrison]

 1. brakes (Silvers or Dia-Compe's or Paul center-pulls?)

I have Paul centerpulls on my Saluki. I'm *very* happy with them, though I 
can't compare them, not having ridden the others.

 2. wheels (Rich-built Synergy 32h 105?)

The 36H Synergy Peter White-built wheels I have are tight and strong. I'm the 
third owner of the bike, so they must be seven or eight years old. Also very 
happy with the SON20 generator hub and White M1.5 cassette rear hub, though I 
doubt I could afford those starting from scratch. 

 3. tires (Soma Xpress 38? Pari-Moto? CdlV?)

In the short time (six months) I've had my Saluki I've tried Pari-Motos, white 
Hetres and Marathons. (Slightly used tires often come up on the list for 
cheap!) Pari-Motos ride the nicest by far. Hetres were fine, but I switched to 
Marathons when I put fenders on for the winter, and haven't put the Hetres back 
on to see if they'll fit under my Berthoud composite fenders. The Marathons 
seem hardier than the others (though I have had one flat already), but feel 
wooden compared to the Pari-Motos, and I have less confidence carrying speed 
through corners. Maybe it's the squeaky sound they make when pushed. When the 
Marathons wear out (in several years...) I'll probably get some Marathon 
Supremes (extra-super-flat-proof) for the rainy season commute and off-pavement 
excursions, and stick with Pari-Motos for summer long rides. 

Rob in Seattle

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[RBW] Saluki for sale or trade

[Michael Williams]

Hello All, does anyone have a 58cm Saluki they are interested in
selling or trading fora 56cm Atlantis? Just let me know, and thanks
for reading, Mike

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[RBW] Saluki

[Calm54]

After riding the Saluki for a few weeks, not on an exclusive basis, I
think I know what that famous Riv ride feels like.  Wow, how do they
do that?  So smooth and comfortable.  It is better than my surly long
haul trucker and definitely better than my carbon fiber bike.  I just
sit here thinking of my next ride.

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[RBW] Saluki

[Calm54]

After riding the Saluki for a few weeks, not on an exclusive basis, I
think I know what that famous Riv ride feels like.  Wow, how do they
do that?  So smooth and comfortable.  It is better than my surly long
haul trucker and definitely better than my carbon fiber bike.  I just
sit here thinking of my next ride.

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Re: [RBW] Saluki

[Rene Sterental]

Welcome to the club!

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Re: [RBW] Saluki/Atlantis summer tour advice

[Gino Zahnd]

Jason -

Current road conditions would be useless right now given that it's
May, and you're going in July.  :-)

Use Krebs maps, and AC maps. They're both good for different reasons.
Krebs are the best, though. The Pacific Coast book is ok.

Here are pics of my tour on that route, on my Saluki:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/collections/72157606892342672/

North of Arcata, use the Hammond Trail. Ask if you can't find it:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/2735946381/in/set-72157606560978936/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/2735929537/in/set-72157606560978936/

Regarding Anne's advice, the Lost Coast detour is amazingly beautiful,
and it's also some of the hardest/hilliest riding you'll ever do. It
is epic. It adds an entire day to the route; it's that hilly. And with
loaded bikes, it goes by beautifully, painfully, and slowly.

When you're near Benbow, camp there. In July it'll be hot, and the Eel
River will provide heaven at the end of that day.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/gzahnd/2744653044/in/set-72157606613356425/

Eat as many berries as you can. They're amazing, and everywhere! There
are tons of breweries along the route. For what that's worth. Our tour
was actually a tour of the coastal breweries...

Good luck, and have fun on that tour. It's some of the prettiest
riding anywhere on the planet!

Franklyn - don't ride south to north. You'll be miserable from the
howling wind, and you'll be on the wrong side of the road for the good
views. :-)


-gino



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 Hey all,

 My friend and I are going to do a short camping/hostel tour from Portland
 Oregon to Santa Cruz CA this July.  He will be on his Atlantis, and me on my
 Saluki.

 We plan to ride the well traveled pacific coast route.  Does anyone have any
 tips about places to stop, current road conditions, or the like, that could
 be passed our way?

 Thanks-
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Re: [RBW] Saluki/Atlantis summer tour advice

[Anne Paulson]

On Sun, May 9, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Gino Zahnd ginoza...@gmail.com wrote:


 Regarding Anne's advice, the Lost Coast detour is amazingly beautiful,
 and it's also some of the hardest/hilliest riding you'll ever do. It
 is epic. It adds an entire day to the route; it's that hilly. And with
 loaded bikes, it goes by beautifully, painfully, and slowly.

It's so worth it, and SO STEEP. When you start the first climb out of
Ferndale, you think, wow, this is steep. But then when you reach the
top, and look far far down to the base of the second long climb, you
can't believe someone put a road there. It looks like it goes straight
up. It looks like someone glued asphalt on a cliff. Highway 1 was
routed inland in that section for good reason.

Then, all too quickly because the descent is scarily steep too, so
steep you can't see the road beneath you and it looks like you're
about to ride off a cliff into the Pacific 2000 feet below, you reach
the base of that climb. You hope your initial impressions were wrong.

Oh no. They weren't. The road looks like a cliff because it is a
cliff. Take a deep breath. Get in your lowest gear. Wish you had a
gear twice as low. Begin climbing. Hope you don't tip over.

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[RBW] Saluki/Atlantis summer tour advice

[J L]

Hey all,

My friend and I are going to do a short camping/hostel tour from Portland
Oregon to Santa Cruz CA this July.  He will be on his Atlantis, and me on my
Saluki.

We plan to ride the well traveled pacific coast route.  Does anyone have any
tips about places to stop, current road conditions, or the like, that could
be passed our way?

Thanks-
Jason

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Re: [RBW] Saluki/Atlantis summer tour advice

[Anne Paulson]

It's not *that* short.

You have the bikes for it, so take the wonderful Unknown Coast
alternate route from Ferndale.
(Google Maps shows that part of that route, Mattole Road on the coast,
is fifty feet out at sea. It isn't.) Another superior (but tough)
alternate route is King Ridge Road just north of the Russian River-
you head up (and I do mean up) from Stewarts Point to Tin Barn Road,
then head south along the ridge. Bring plenty of water.

Most people who do that ride use The Book, Bicycling the Pacific
Coast, by Kirkendall. It's good, but the Adventure Cycling route is
better. For example, north of Arcata, Kirkendall routes you on the
freeway while Adventure Cycling puts you on local streets. South of
Arcata, both of those routes put the cyclist on busy Highway 101 to
Eureka. Local cyclists told me they preferred to go counterclockwise
around the bay on highway 255.

One of the best parts of riding the Pacific is the other cyclists you
meet along the way and in the campgrounds. Have fun!

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 Hey all,

 My friend and I are going to do a short camping/hostel tour from Portland
 Oregon to Santa Cruz CA this July.  He will be on his Atlantis, and me on my
 Saluki.

 We plan to ride the well traveled pacific coast route.  Does anyone have any
 tips about places to stop, current road conditions, or the like, that could
 be passed our way?

 Thanks-
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Re: [RBW] Saluki History + Provenance

[Rob Harrison]

Thanks to all who replied! Lots of great pictures and info there.

Still wondering how many Salukis were produced

The check is in the mail to the seller, so I expect I will be  
unpacking my very first Rivendell in two weeks or so. Based on what's  
coming and not coming with the bike, I know I'll have questions. I'll  
ask them in separate threads to keep this one on Saluki History on  
topic for future reference. It's a good one!


Rob in Seattle

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[RBW] Saluki History + Provenance

[Rob Harrison]

If all goes well it appears I may soon become an official member of  
the RBW Owners Bunch. (!!!) I'm curious about the origins and history  
of the Saluki. Can anyone fill me in?


For example...

• When did the model debut? Was it the first Riv bike designed for 650b?
• Where were they made? By whom?
• How many were made?
• Did colors vary by model year, or was there a stock range? What were  
the colors? (I've seen mainly orange and butterscotch in the larger  
sizes, but there is quite a range of colors of smaller sizes still on  
the riv site.)
•  It's not currently in the catalog. When did production stop? Will  
they be back? (I heard a rumor of a possible rotation with the A.H.H.?)

• Anyone have a pdf of the original brochure or design brief?

Thank you!

Rob in Seattle

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Re: [RBW] Saluki History + Provenance

[CycloFiend]

on 5/3/10 10:01 AM, Rob Harrison at robha...@gmail.com wrote:

 If all goes well it appears I may soon become an official member of
 the RBW Owners Bunch. (!!!) I'm curious about the origins and history
 of the Saluki. Can anyone fill me in?
 
 For example...
 
 € When did the model debut? Was it the first Riv bike designed for 650b?
 € Where were they made? By whom?
 € How many were made?
 € Did colors vary by model year, or was there a stock range? What were
 the colors? (I've seen mainly orange and butterscotch in the larger
 sizes, but there is quite a range of colors of smaller sizes still on
 the riv site.)
 €  It's not currently in the catalog. When did production stop? Will
 they be back? (I heard a rumor of a possible rotation with the A.H.H.?)
 € Anyone have a pdf of the original brochure or design brief?

Hey there Rob - 

Welcome to the bunch.

I  never put together a Saluki-specific page yet -

http://www.cyclofiend.com/rbw

But, there wasn't too much in terms of separate printed material that I came
across. There were definitely announcements in the Reader.  It was the first
650B/584 bicycle that they produced.  The production was not so much
stopped as rolled into the Hilsen - the 650B/584 version is pretty similar
if not identical. Except for the name and headbadge, of course.

I'm kind of under the gun on a project early this week, but will dig through
the archives later and try to get some more info posted.

Here are some examples in the galleries:
 
http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2009/cc604-ginozahnd0109.html

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2005/cc004-joelstern0505.html

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2006/cc117-joeszokoli0506.html

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2008/cc490-daveminyard0608.html

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc307-iankersey0507.html

http://www.cyclofiend.com/cc/2007/cc359-clairezahnd0807.html

-- 
Jim Edgar
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Re: [RBW] Saluki History + Provenance

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2010-05-03 at 10:01 -0700, Rob Harrison wrote:
 If all goes well it appears I may soon become an official member of  
 the RBW Owners Bunch. (!!!) I'm curious about the origins and history  
 of the Saluki. Can anyone fill me in?
 
 For example...
 
 • When did the model debut?

2005, if I recall correctly.  The Saluki mailing list began in Oct 2004.

  Was it the first Riv bike designed for 650b?

yes

 • Where were they made? By whom?

built by Toyo in Japan


 • How many were made?

no idea

 • Did colors vary by model year, or was there a stock range?

First year colors were silver and whats-in-the-diaper olive, but custom
colors were available for a small upcharge.  Later on, they went to
butterscotch as the standard color.


  What were  
 the colors? (I've seen mainly orange and butterscotch in the larger  
 sizes, but there is quite a range of colors of smaller sizes still on  
 the riv site.)

You left out an interesting part: they came in center-pull-uki and
cantiluki versions, with or without canti studs.


 •  It's not currently in the catalog. When did production stop?

when the A Homer Hilsen began


  Will  
 they be back? (I heard a rumor of a possible rotation with the A.H.H.?)
 • Anyone have a pdf of the original brochure or design brief?

I don't recall there being any such.

Here's mine:  http://freewebs.com/palincss
http://www.flickr.com/photos/97916...@n00/sets/72157617915097787/show/




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RE: [RBW] Saluki History + Provenance

[Frederick, Steve]

The Saluki was introduced in late 2003 or early 2004.  They were produced by 
Toyo in Japan, same as the Rambouillet, and the first batch was offered in 
either green or silver.  Custom paint options were offered through a painter 
local to Rivendell for an upcharge, which accounts for most of the other colors 
you see.  the Caramel was a custom color I asked for and Grant created for my 
Saluki from the first batch, and which he liked well enough to make it the 
stock option for future frame runs.  (I asked for a Harvest Gold, like some 
Riv customs but a richer tone with more brown) 

As far as I know, the Saluki was the first production 650b-wheeled frame 
offered in the U.S. since a few mountain bikes from Raleigh and Schwinn in the 
80's.

They were initially offered with either NOS (reintroduced?) DiaCompe centerpull 
brakes or cantis, and when the Tektro super-long reach sidepulls were 
introduced, Grant designed a frame to go with them and fitted the smaller 
frames with 650b, the larger with 700c.  Saluki production was rolled into this 
new frame.

Steve

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Rob Harrison
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 1:02 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Saluki History + Provenance


If all goes well it appears I may soon become an official member of  
the RBW Owners Bunch. (!!!) I'm curious about the origins and history  
of the Saluki. Can anyone fill me in?

For example...

• When did the model debut? Was it the first Riv bike designed for 650b?
• Where were they made? By whom?
• How many were made?
• Did colors vary by model year, or was there a stock range? What were  
the colors? (I've seen mainly orange and butterscotch in the larger  
sizes, but there is quite a range of colors of smaller sizes still on  
the riv site.)
•  It's not currently in the catalog. When did production stop? Will  
they be back? (I heard a rumor of a possible rotation with the A.H.H.?)
• Anyone have a pdf of the original brochure or design brief?

Thank you!

Rob in Seattle

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Re: [RBW] Saluki History + Provenance

[Gino Zahnd]

What Jim said. And http://is.gd/bSxAZ

There was also the pewter color in addition to what Steve listed.

They aren't coming back as a Saluki. Production never stopped though -
they're now the AHH in smaller sizes.

I don't think there was ever a brochure, and yep, late 2004 or early
2005 is when the Saluki dropped.




On Mon, May 3, 2010 at 10:01 AM, Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com wrote:
 If all goes well it appears I may soon become an official member of the RBW
 Owners Bunch. (!!!) I'm curious about the origins and history of the Saluki.
 Can anyone fill me in?

 For example...

 • When did the model debut? Was it the first Riv bike designed for 650b?
 • Where were they made? By whom?
 • How many were made?
 • Did colors vary by model year, or was there a stock range? What were the
 colors? (I've seen mainly orange and butterscotch in the larger sizes, but
 there is quite a range of colors of smaller sizes still on the riv site.)
 •  It's not currently in the catalog. When did production stop? Will they be
 back? (I heard a rumor of a possible rotation with the A.H.H.?)
 • Anyone have a pdf of the original brochure or design brief?

 Thank you!

 Rob in Seattle

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RE: [RBW] Saluki History + Provenance

[Frederick, Steve]

I misspoke(typed) the dates--late '04-early -05 is correct.  (I got mine in 
March or April of 2005)

Steve

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The Saluki was introduced in late 2003 or early 2004.  They were produced by 
Toyo in Japan, same as the Rambouillet, and the first batch was offered in 
either green or silver.  Custom paint options were offered through a painter 
local to Rivendell for an upcharge, which accounts for most of the other colors 
you see.  the Caramel was a custom color I asked for and Grant created for my 
Saluki from the first batch, and which he liked well enough to make it the 
stock option for future frame runs.  (I asked for a Harvest Gold, like some 
Riv customs but a richer tone with more brown) 

As far as I know, the Saluki was the first production 650b-wheeled frame 
offered in the U.S. since a few mountain bikes from Raleigh and Schwinn in the 
80's.

They were initially offered with either NOS (reintroduced?) DiaCompe centerpull 
brakes or cantis, and when the Tektro super-long reach sidepulls were 
introduced, Grant designed a frame to go with them and fitted the smaller 
frames with 650b, the larger with 700c.  Saluki production was rolled into this 
new frame.

Steve

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[mailto:rbw-owners-bu...@googlegroups.com]on Behalf Of Rob Harrison
Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 1:02 PM
To: RBW Owners Bunch
Subject: [RBW] Saluki History + Provenance


If all goes well it appears I may soon become an official member of  
the RBW Owners Bunch. (!!!) I'm curious about the origins and history  
of the Saluki. Can anyone fill me in?

For example...

• When did the model debut? Was it the first Riv bike designed for 650b?
• Where were they made? By whom?
• How many were made?
• Did colors vary by model year, or was there a stock range? What were  
the colors? (I've seen mainly orange and butterscotch in the larger  
sizes, but there is quite a range of colors of smaller sizes still on  
the riv site.)
•  It's not currently in the catalog. When did production stop? Will  
they be back? (I heard a rumor of a possible rotation with the A.H.H.?)
• Anyone have a pdf of the original brochure or design brief?

Thank you!

Rob in Seattle

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Re: [RBW] Saluki History + Provenance

[Bruce]

Just to add to all the good info so far, you can use the time travel portal 
(waybackmachine archive) and look it up on the early 2005 RBW website. 

http://web.archive.org/web/20050207221216/www.rivbike.com/html/bikes_saluki.html


Original green was yellow olive  You could also get a pewter headbadge for an 
addition $25. 

Tailwinds!







From: Rob Harrison robha...@gmail.com
To: RBW Owners Bunch rbw-owners-bunch@googlegroups.com
Sent: Mon, May 3, 2010 12:01:35 PM
Subject: [RBW] Saluki History + Provenance

If all goes well it appears I may soon become an official member of the RBW 
Owners Bunch. (!!!) I'm curious about the origins and history of the Saluki. 
Can anyone fill me in?

For example...

• When did the model debut? Was it the first Riv bike designed for 650b?
• Where were they made? By whom?
• How many were made?
• Did colors vary by model year, or was there a stock range? What were the 
colors? (I've seen mainly orange and butterscotch in the larger sizes, but 
there is quite a range of colors of smaller sizes still on the riv site.)
•  It's not currently in the catalog. When did production stop? Will they be 
back? (I heard a rumor of a possible rotation with the A.H.H.?)
• Anyone have a pdf of the original brochure or design brief?

Thank you!

Rob in Seattle



  

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Re: [RBW] Saluki History + Provenance

[Steve Palincsar]

On Mon, 2010-05-03 at 12:02 -0700, Bruce wrote:
 Just to add to all the good info so far, you can use the time travel
 portal (waybackmachine archive) and look it up on the early 2005 RBW
 website. 
 
 http://web.archive.org/web/20050207221216/www.rivbike.com/html/bikes_saluki.html
 
 
 Original green was yellow olive


That's the color I referred to as what's in the baby's diaper.



  You could also get a pewter headbadge for an addition $25. 

I did.



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[RBW] saluki for atlantis?

[J L]

Anyone interested in trading a lightly loved cantibrake saluki 54cm (mine)
for a similar condition atlantis 53cm (yours)?

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[RBW] Saluki for sale

[John Ferguson]

Hi all,

Having experienced the joys of Toei (and Weigle) it is with some
regret that I must part with my Saluki. It's a wonderful bike (and the
components are amazing) but it's not as well suited to the type of
riding I do as the Toei. Plus I have *too many bikes.*

Before I'm excommunicated, I'd like to say thank you to all of you who
helped me build the bike!

All the details are here:

https://post.craigslist.org/manage/1363232757/pqqjc

And pictures are here:

http://tinyurl.com/mryyye

John Ferguson
New York, NY
917-770-9574 (if you prefer, otherwise use jferguson (at)
medicalwriter.net)
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[RBW] Saluki Done

[John Ferguson]

Finally.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/36397...@n06/
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[RBW] Saluki and Big Wood Hetre

[Gino Zahnd]

Tonight I put a pair of 650 x 42B Grand Bois Hetres on my
canti-Saluki.  I've heard great things about them, the most important
of which is that they don't get flats like the ballet-slipper-like
Grand Bois Cypres. I've also read and heard first hand accounts that
the Hetre is quite long-lived. I'm skeptical right now, still. I
haven't ridden them, except up the road in front of my house and back.

A few things to note:
- The canti-luki easily, with no fiddling or rigging whatsoever,
swallows the Hetre tire with Honjo fenders.
- These tires, for a road-ish bike, look huge. They're pluffy, silent,
and seem like they'll be very comfortable.
- My current Honjos are 45mm, which I've used with CDLV tires until
this point. If I end up liking this tire size and durability, I'll
move up to the 50mm, which will still easily fit.

The biggest thing I've noticed in the one-whole-minute riding the
Hetre is how quiet this tire is compared to the squibbly CDLV. I like
that tire. I've toured on it, camped on it, I commute/run errands on
it almost every day, and it's a good, durable tire. It isn't fast, and
boy, is it loud!  But for the price, you really can't beat it, and
it's still the go-to tire on my daily driver.

I'll report back after a few hundred miles on the Large Beech Wood.

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