Re: [RBW] Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Chris Halasz]

James 

Curious if you find any significant difference in durability for road 
riding between the GravelKings and the RH 700x35s or 38s. 

Not many (if any) goats head thorns where I live, and pretty smooth paved 
roads. 

I'm looking for something in the 35-40mm range, and correspondingly 
350-400g mass. 

Thanks, 

Chris 

On Friday, August 12, 2022 at 9:23:31 AM UTC-7 MoVelo wrote:

> My Rambo is currently running Panaracer Pari-Motos 650bx42's actual width 
> on Velocity A23's. I love these tires on this bike and it has become my 
> gravel/all-rounder. I have the Tektro 559's set so I can easily switch over 
> to 700c and usually run 35mm in that size. Although it will take 38 the 
> fender clearance gets a little sketchy.
>
> On the Legolas I am currently running RH 700cx38's although I have found 
> 35's feel a bit firmer with better handling. I do like the cush of the 
> fatter rubber.
>
> My two Bridgestone MB's are running RH Rat Trap Pass 26x2" which I love on 
> the loose gravel we have around here. They are a bit narrow erthan the 
> stated width but still super comfy and confidence inspiring.
>
> The Bridgestone T700 is currently running Panaracer Gravel Kings in 
> 700cx38 and will fit fenders. 
>
> My Paramount is currently running 700cx35's but I am still trying to 
> decide if 32's are a better fit for that bike.
>
> I have a Kona Kapu with 650bx42 RH Baby Shoe Pass' which barely measure 
> out to 40mm on Grand Bois rims.
>
> I mainly go for comfort over speed these days. So the wider the better.
>
> James Poulson
> Centralish NE
>
> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 10:58:48 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:
>
>> I'm a light rider and have run Rene Herse tires in 26, 28, 32, 35, 38 and 
>> 48mm widths over the same terrain which is mostly paved roads. Starting at 
>> either end of the spectrum, the 26's felt like ice-skating in the best 
>> scenario but would flat if I even looked at a gravel road. I wasn't willing 
>> to pump them up past 80psi to avoid flats so those got the boot pretty 
>> fast. The 48's on the other hand were what I'd call idiot-proof. I would 
>> aim for the potholes on pavement and they were disconcertingly confident 
>> (and fast!) off-road. 
>>
>> 32's and 35's were probably the goldilocks widths for paved rides longer 
>> than 70 miles while carrying stuff. If I weighed more, carried more, or the 
>> bike was over-built, 38's would be right there too. These days, my rides 
>> rarely go past 60 miles so a couple candy bars and 28mm tires on a road 
>> bike is all I need.  
>>
>> If I were more of a masochist with my riding and knew sleep deprivation 
>> and all-road conditions were on the horizon, I'd go with the widest tire I 
>> could fit. But if I want to feel quick and nimble, 28-32s do the best for 
>> me.  
>>
>> - Andrew
>> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 7:29:59 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>> I have to say that the 559 labeled-32 but measure-27 (skinny rims) RH 
>>> Elk Pass tires are the nicest 26" road tires I've used and, in fact, the 
>>> nicest road tires of any size I've used, gauging by "feel" of speed* and 
>>> feel of smoothness.
>>>
>>> * I personally have never associated buzz or harshness with speed; in 
>>> fact, just the opposite: I associate smoothness with speed. Besides 
>>> smoothness, the EPs just seem easier to pedal at given cadences in given 
>>> conditions at given gears.
>>>
>>> I wish they plumped out at 5 mm wider, but I don't want to change my 
>>> rims.
>>>
>>> At 55/60 they feel as smooth over high freq/low amp bumps as the 559X42 
>>> mm (41 mm actual) Naches Pass extra lights at 35/40, and they seem easier 
>>> to pedal as defined above, though not by a great deal.
>>>
>>> One benefit to the narrower tires is that they do make the bike's 
>>> handling feel more nimble -- "crisper." OTOH, the 622X61 mm actual Big One 
>>> ELs at 18 to 21 psi on the earlier Matthews feel as easy to pedal ("as 
>>> fast" -- similar gearing, conditions, cadences) as the Elk Passes; but very 
>>> different bikes and 175 mm vs 170 mm cranks. And these fatties don't feel 
>>> all that smoother over small pavement bumps than the EPs or the NPs. It 
>>> seems that if you put sufficiently minimum air pressure into very supple, 
>>> light tires of any width, the feel over small bumps remains about the same. 
>>> I do like bashing over the 5" wide expansion cracks in our streets with the 
>>> BOs or the NPs, though; I have to be more careful with the EPs.
>>>
>>> Btw, all 3 frames relatively light tubing. In fact, the 1999 gofast that 
>>> has the EPs has the stoutest tubing of the bunch, I think.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 6:38 AM Garth  wrote:
>>>
 For road riding on a compliant frame a 32-33mm feels "just right". Even 
 a liitle more narrow is good. My favorite tires these days is a Schwalbe 
 Marathon Racer 35mm which measures 32-33mm on a Mavic A719 @37-42 PSI. I 
 don't notice them, and that's the 

Re: [RBW] Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[MoVelo]

My Rambo is currently running Panaracer Pari-Motos 650bx42's actual width 
on Velocity A23's. I love these tires on this bike and it has become my 
gravel/all-rounder. I have the Tektro 559's set so I can easily switch over 
to 700c and usually run 35mm in that size. Although it will take 38 the 
fender clearance gets a little sketchy.

On the Legolas I am currently running RH 700cx38's although I have found 
35's feel a bit firmer with better handling. I do like the cush of the 
fatter rubber.

My two Bridgestone MB's are running RH Rat Trap Pass 26x2" which I love on 
the loose gravel we have around here. They are a bit narrow erthan the 
stated width but still super comfy and confidence inspiring.

The Bridgestone T700 is currently running Panaracer Gravel Kings in 700cx38 
and will fit fenders. 

My Paramount is currently running 700cx35's but I am still trying to decide 
if 32's are a better fit for that bike.

I have a Kona Kapu with 650bx42 RH Baby Shoe Pass' which barely measure out 
to 40mm on Grand Bois rims.

I mainly go for comfort over speed these days. So the wider the better.

James Poulson
Centralish NE

On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 10:58:48 PM UTC-5 Andrew Turner wrote:

> I'm a light rider and have run Rene Herse tires in 26, 28, 32, 35, 38 and 
> 48mm widths over the same terrain which is mostly paved roads. Starting at 
> either end of the spectrum, the 26's felt like ice-skating in the best 
> scenario but would flat if I even looked at a gravel road. I wasn't willing 
> to pump them up past 80psi to avoid flats so those got the boot pretty 
> fast. The 48's on the other hand were what I'd call idiot-proof. I would 
> aim for the potholes on pavement and they were disconcertingly confident 
> (and fast!) off-road. 
>
> 32's and 35's were probably the goldilocks widths for paved rides longer 
> than 70 miles while carrying stuff. If I weighed more, carried more, or the 
> bike was over-built, 38's would be right there too. These days, my rides 
> rarely go past 60 miles so a couple candy bars and 28mm tires on a road 
> bike is all I need.  
>
> If I were more of a masochist with my riding and knew sleep deprivation 
> and all-road conditions were on the horizon, I'd go with the widest tire I 
> could fit. But if I want to feel quick and nimble, 28-32s do the best for 
> me.  
>
> - Andrew
> On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 7:29:59 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>> I have to say that the 559 labeled-32 but measure-27 (skinny rims) RH Elk 
>> Pass tires are the nicest 26" road tires I've used and, in fact, the nicest 
>> road tires of any size I've used, gauging by "feel" of speed* and feel of 
>> smoothness.
>>
>> * I personally have never associated buzz or harshness with speed; in 
>> fact, just the opposite: I associate smoothness with speed. Besides 
>> smoothness, the EPs just seem easier to pedal at given cadences in given 
>> conditions at given gears.
>>
>> I wish they plumped out at 5 mm wider, but I don't want to change my rims.
>>
>> At 55/60 they feel as smooth over high freq/low amp bumps as the 559X42 
>> mm (41 mm actual) Naches Pass extra lights at 35/40, and they seem easier 
>> to pedal as defined above, though not by a great deal.
>>
>> One benefit to the narrower tires is that they do make the bike's 
>> handling feel more nimble -- "crisper." OTOH, the 622X61 mm actual Big One 
>> ELs at 18 to 21 psi on the earlier Matthews feel as easy to pedal ("as 
>> fast" -- similar gearing, conditions, cadences) as the Elk Passes; but very 
>> different bikes and 175 mm vs 170 mm cranks. And these fatties don't feel 
>> all that smoother over small pavement bumps than the EPs or the NPs. It 
>> seems that if you put sufficiently minimum air pressure into very supple, 
>> light tires of any width, the feel over small bumps remains about the same. 
>> I do like bashing over the 5" wide expansion cracks in our streets with the 
>> BOs or the NPs, though; I have to be more careful with the EPs.
>>
>> Btw, all 3 frames relatively light tubing. In fact, the 1999 gofast that 
>> has the EPs has the stoutest tubing of the bunch, I think.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 6:38 AM Garth  wrote:
>>
>>> For road riding on a compliant frame a 32-33mm feels "just right". Even 
>>> a liitle more narrow is good. My favorite tires these days is a Schwalbe 
>>> Marathon Racer 35mm which measures 32-33mm on a Mavic A719 @37-42 PSI. I 
>>> don't notice them, and that's the point. This is with my Franklin road 
>>> bike. While it can take a 38, it's actually worse with a wider tire. It's a 
>>> matter of feel, of detail, of precision and handling. A .3mm mechanical 
>>> pencil feels and writes a whole lot different than a .9mm. A bolder font 
>>> doesn't make these letters any easier or better to read than they are 
>>> presently.
>>>
>>> In contrast, I ride my Bombadil on the road and no matter the tire, be 
>>> it 38mm or 50mm, it feels overkill to me. I think it has more to do 

Re: [RBW] Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Andrew Turner]

I'm a light rider and have run Rene Herse tires in 26, 28, 32, 35, 38 and 
48mm widths over the same terrain which is mostly paved roads. Starting at 
either end of the spectrum, the 26's felt like ice-skating in the best 
scenario but would flat if I even looked at a gravel road. I wasn't willing 
to pump them up past 80psi to avoid flats so those got the boot pretty 
fast. The 48's on the other hand were what I'd call idiot-proof. I would 
aim for the potholes on pavement and they were disconcertingly confident 
(and fast!) off-road. 

32's and 35's were probably the goldilocks widths for paved rides longer 
than 70 miles while carrying stuff. If I weighed more, carried more, or the 
bike was over-built, 38's would be right there too. These days, my rides 
rarely go past 60 miles so a couple candy bars and 28mm tires on a road 
bike is all I need.  

If I were more of a masochist with my riding and knew sleep deprivation and 
all-road conditions were on the horizon, I'd go with the widest tire I 
could fit. But if I want to feel quick and nimble, 28-32s do the best for 
me.  

- Andrew
On Thursday, August 11, 2022 at 7:29:59 PM UTC-5 Patrick Moore wrote:

> I have to say that the 559 labeled-32 but measure-27 (skinny rims) RH Elk 
> Pass tires are the nicest 26" road tires I've used and, in fact, the nicest 
> road tires of any size I've used, gauging by "feel" of speed* and feel of 
> smoothness.
>
> * I personally have never associated buzz or harshness with speed; in 
> fact, just the opposite: I associate smoothness with speed. Besides 
> smoothness, the EPs just seem easier to pedal at given cadences in given 
> conditions at given gears.
>
> I wish they plumped out at 5 mm wider, but I don't want to change my rims.
>
> At 55/60 they feel as smooth over high freq/low amp bumps as the 559X42 mm 
> (41 mm actual) Naches Pass extra lights at 35/40, and they seem easier to 
> pedal as defined above, though not by a great deal.
>
> One benefit to the narrower tires is that they do make the bike's handling 
> feel more nimble -- "crisper." OTOH, the 622X61 mm actual Big One ELs at 18 
> to 21 psi on the earlier Matthews feel as easy to pedal ("as fast" -- 
> similar gearing, conditions, cadences) as the Elk Passes; but very 
> different bikes and 175 mm vs 170 mm cranks. And these fatties don't feel 
> all that smoother over small pavement bumps than the EPs or the NPs. It 
> seems that if you put sufficiently minimum air pressure into very supple, 
> light tires of any width, the feel over small bumps remains about the same. 
> I do like bashing over the 5" wide expansion cracks in our streets with the 
> BOs or the NPs, though; I have to be more careful with the EPs.
>
> Btw, all 3 frames relatively light tubing. In fact, the 1999 gofast that 
> has the EPs has the stoutest tubing of the bunch, I think.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 6:38 AM Garth  wrote:
>
>> For road riding on a compliant frame a 32-33mm feels "just right". Even a 
>> liitle more narrow is good. My favorite tires these days is a Schwalbe 
>> Marathon Racer 35mm which measures 32-33mm on a Mavic A719 @37-42 PSI. I 
>> don't notice them, and that's the point. This is with my Franklin road 
>> bike. While it can take a 38, it's actually worse with a wider tire. It's a 
>> matter of feel, of detail, of precision and handling. A .3mm mechanical 
>> pencil feels and writes a whole lot different than a .9mm. A bolder font 
>> doesn't make these letters any easier or better to read than they are 
>> presently.
>>
>> In contrast, I ride my Bombadil on the road and no matter the tire, be it 
>> 38mm or 50mm, it feels overkill to me. I think it has more to do with the 
>> nature of the frame and it's handling though. Ironically, even on 
>> primitive, broken up hole ridden roads I prefer the ride and handling of 
>> the Franklin road bike. It tends to glide over everything, while the much 
>> stiffer and wheelbarrow-like steering can be a bit jarring and ragged 
>> feeling on the same surfaces. 
>>
>> Within the confines of this group it may appear a certain number may 
>> prefer wide-r tires, isn't it funny how one tends to focus on that which 
>> agrees, and ignore/dismiss that which does not. In reality "everyone" rides 
>> "everything". Take a look at bicyles/riders all around the world and you'll 
>> find such variety you quickly realize there is a certain silliness to any 
>> and all claims of this or that tire as "best" or even "required" for this 
>> or that surface.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Patrick Moore]

I have to say that the 559 labeled-32 but measure-27 (skinny rims) RH Elk
Pass tires are the nicest 26" road tires I've used and, in fact, the nicest
road tires of any size I've used, gauging by "feel" of speed* and feel of
smoothness.

* I personally have never associated buzz or harshness with speed; in fact,
just the opposite: I associate smoothness with speed. Besides smoothness,
the EPs just seem easier to pedal at given cadences in given conditions at
given gears.

I wish they plumped out at 5 mm wider, but I don't want to change my rims.

At 55/60 they feel as smooth over high freq/low amp bumps as the 559X42 mm
(41 mm actual) Naches Pass extra lights at 35/40, and they seem easier to
pedal as defined above, though not by a great deal.

One benefit to the narrower tires is that they do make the bike's handling
feel more nimble -- "crisper." OTOH, the 622X61 mm actual Big One ELs at 18
to 21 psi on the earlier Matthews feel as easy to pedal ("as fast" --
similar gearing, conditions, cadences) as the Elk Passes; but very
different bikes and 175 mm vs 170 mm cranks. And these fatties don't feel
all that smoother over small pavement bumps than the EPs or the NPs. It
seems that if you put sufficiently minimum air pressure into very supple,
light tires of any width, the feel over small bumps remains about the same.
I do like bashing over the 5" wide expansion cracks in our streets with the
BOs or the NPs, though; I have to be more careful with the EPs.

Btw, all 3 frames relatively light tubing. In fact, the 1999 gofast that
has the EPs has the stoutest tubing of the bunch, I think.







On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 6:38 AM Garth  wrote:

> For road riding on a compliant frame a 32-33mm feels "just right". Even a
> liitle more narrow is good. My favorite tires these days is a Schwalbe
> Marathon Racer 35mm which measures 32-33mm on a Mavic A719 @37-42 PSI. I
> don't notice them, and that's the point. This is with my Franklin road
> bike. While it can take a 38, it's actually worse with a wider tire. It's a
> matter of feel, of detail, of precision and handling. A .3mm mechanical
> pencil feels and writes a whole lot different than a .9mm. A bolder font
> doesn't make these letters any easier or better to read than they are
> presently.
>
> In contrast, I ride my Bombadil on the road and no matter the tire, be it
> 38mm or 50mm, it feels overkill to me. I think it has more to do with the
> nature of the frame and it's handling though. Ironically, even on
> primitive, broken up hole ridden roads I prefer the ride and handling of
> the Franklin road bike. It tends to glide over everything, while the much
> stiffer and wheelbarrow-like steering can be a bit jarring and ragged
> feeling on the same surfaces.
>
> Within the confines of this group it may appear a certain number may
> prefer wide-r tires, isn't it funny how one tends to focus on that which
> agrees, and ignore/dismiss that which does not. In reality "everyone" rides
> "everything". Take a look at bicyles/riders all around the world and you'll
> find such variety you quickly realize there is a certain silliness to any
> and all claims of this or that tire as "best" or even "required" for this
> or that surface.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Chris Halasz]

Recently placed some 35mm (33mm measured width) Schwalbe Marathon Supremes 
on my Sam, and am surprised at how nicely they ride at 35-40 PSI. 

Was riding 43mm GravelKing SS (not SS+, and not SKs), which were also nice. 
But I didn’t need the side mini-knobs, as I do not ride off-road, and the 
road I most often ride is recently very nicely re-paved. 

I am on the lookout for 36-40mm lightweight smooth and lightweight tires, 
and may move to 36-40mm Challenge Strada Biancas or GravelKing slicks, or 
maybe Shikoro 38s. All are pricey. Maybe I'll just look for some 37mm 
Paselas. 

Recently tried 55mm Antelope Hill tires on a bike, they felt heavy and 
bouncy and sluggish on the uphills, and unsure on twisty descents. The 
first part of my typical ride is a half hour of climbing, gradually 
increasing, and any relief is welcome! 

Like others here, found 32mm Paselas very nice for ride and handling on the 
Rambouillet, and 38-42mm on our Bleriots, and 30mm Avocet slicks on my Riv 
Road Standard.

Anyone else surprised at how (relatively, I know) thin are the tires 
mentioned by everyone here? I expected everything to be in the 42-48mm 
range, but it's more like 10mm less! 

I read the referenced online article. Anyone else wonder if there was a mea 
culpa on the “Rather than worry about ‘too much tire’ for an event, maybe 
we should think about ‘too much handlebar’” statement to Lennard Zinn’s 
recent posting? I wondered how the writer arrived at the conclusion, “…the 
wide tires felt a little bouncy at first. This didn’t slow me down…” I’d 
think there’d be skepticism if a cyclist wrote the same about a full 
suspension bike. I sometimes miss Jobst and the days of wreck.bikes.tech. 

Cheers, 

Chris

SB, CA

On Wednesday, August 10, 2022 at 2:31:39 PM UTC-7 ttoshi wrote:

> My custom Riv--designed for long rando rides uses a 650b x 42 mm tire 
> (currently Grand Bois Hetre EL).  I love them.  My Roadeo uses 700c x ~31mm 
> Grand Bois Cypres EL. It is not as smooth riding as the 42 mm tires, but I 
> am still very comfortable and don't feel like I "need" wider tires.  I've 
> done up to 300 km brevets and double centuries with the Roadeo. 
>
> On my custom I do not see a need for wider tires on asphalt, but could see 
> a use for gravel/mixed terrain riding...
>
> On my 700c Ram, I did feel like there was degradation of handling if the 
> tire size was too high because of the increased BB height, but that was my 
> own personal anecdotal experience.  If you are loving the ride with the 
> wide tires, then you can definitely go with that and ride great long rides.
>
> Toshi in Oakland.
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Toshi Takeuchi]

My custom Riv--designed for long rando rides uses a 650b x 42 mm tire
(currently Grand Bois Hetre EL).  I love them.  My Roadeo uses 700c x ~31mm
Grand Bois Cypres EL. It is not as smooth riding as the 42 mm tires, but I
am still very comfortable and don't feel like I "need" wider tires.  I've
done up to 300 km brevets and double centuries with the Roadeo.

On my custom I do not see a need for wider tires on asphalt, but could see
a use for gravel/mixed terrain riding...

On my 700c Ram, I did feel like there was degradation of handling if the
tire size was too high because of the increased BB height, but that was my
own personal anecdotal experience.  If you are loving the ride with the
wide tires, then you can definitely go with that and ride great long rides.

Toshi in Oakland.

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Re: [RBW] Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Garth]

For road riding on a compliant frame a 32-33mm feels "just right". Even a 
liitle more narrow is good. My favorite tires these days is a Schwalbe 
Marathon Racer 35mm which measures 32-33mm on a Mavic A719 @37-42 PSI. I 
don't notice them, and that's the point. This is with my Franklin road 
bike. While it can take a 38, it's actually worse with a wider tire. It's a 
matter of feel, of detail, of precision and handling. A .3mm mechanical 
pencil feels and writes a whole lot different than a .9mm. A bolder font 
doesn't make these letters any easier or better to read than they are 
presently.

In contrast, I ride my Bombadil on the road and no matter the tire, be it 
38mm or 50mm, it feels overkill to me. I think it has more to do with the 
nature of the frame and it's handling though. Ironically, even on 
primitive, broken up hole ridden roads I prefer the ride and handling of 
the Franklin road bike. It tends to glide over everything, while the much 
stiffer and wheelbarrow-like steering can be a bit jarring and ragged 
feeling on the same surfaces. 

Within the confines of this group it may appear a certain number may prefer 
wide-r tires, isn't it funny how one tends to focus on that which agrees, 
and ignore/dismiss that which does not. In reality "everyone" rides 
"everything". Take a look at bicyles/riders all around the world and you'll 
find such variety you quickly realize there is a certain silliness to any 
and all claims of this or that tire as "best" or even "required" for this 
or that surface.





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Re: [RBW] Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[jamin orrall]

Thanks Eric!  It is a sun xcd with 44/28 rings, suntour cyclone up front 
and 9 speed ultegra in the back.  The lugged stem makes me so happy every 
time I ride.  I bought the bike from a list member and rebuilt it with 
parts I had been saving.  I was deep into the old riv readers while putting 
it together as you can probably tell from the general vibe. The suntour 
barcons are my favorite shifters of all time, and I have tried many bar 
ends.  Aside from their smooth shifting and durability they have a smooth 
top, most others have an exposed joint which I find uncomfortable.

Jamin

On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 8:40:36 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for all the takes. Glad to see everyone's into going for plump 
> tires :) 
>
> Jamin, love that maroon bar tape and the general setup of your Homer. 
> Lugged stem and seatpost! What's size rings do you have on your crank? 
> Looks like a SunXCD. I'm considering putting Suntour barcons on my 
> Hillborne, I have Suntour Cyclone derailers. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 11:01:35 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This doesn't really speak to tire width, but I continue to be impressed 
>> by the RH knobby offerings. I love feeling confident that I can ride all 
>> day on pavement, gravel or even singletrack and the tires perform admirably 
>> on all surfaces. They're surprisingly fast, quiet, and feel great. I have 
>> 650b x 48 Juniper Ridge on one bike, and 26" x 2.3" Humptulips on another. 
>> Typically I run down to 24 psi for gravel or off-roadish stuff, and 30-32 
>> psi if I'm going to be primarily on asphalt.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:55:22 AM UTC-4 jamin orrall wrote:
>>
>>> Beautiful Sam! here is my homer on 38mm paselas, very narrow rims so 
>>> they only measure out to about 36.  It feels great on the road but I 
>>> definitely want to go wider, thinking about rebuilding the wheels with 
>>> wider rims and fancy 42mm tires.  I was going to suggest Jan's blog post 
>>> this morning as well.
>>>
>>> Jamin
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 7:46:23 AM UTC-7 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>>
 I’ve been riding (and touring ) on RTP’s for a few years now  and Jan’s 
 post this morning makes it pretty clear thats not the reason I am as slow 
 as I am. Also nice to see such an endorsement for 26” wheels. Steve

 On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 10:30 AM  wrote:

> Call me old school but for strictly road I’m happiest with 700x38. And 
> when I say strictly road that means I reserve the right to try and ride 
> anything else I find enticing. 
>
> I’ve come to that conclusion after riding many miles on various widths 
> of 26, 650b and 700c tires. 
>
> I did read Jan’s blog this morning. It was interesting. I’m glad he 
> noted that regardless of speed, feel plays a large role in which tires we 
> pick for a ride. I like the way 700x38 feels on my 57cm road oriented 
> frames. 
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso 
>
> On Aug 9, 2022, at 07:33, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> Forgot to mention; “long” paved ride for me is 50’ish miles. Buy 
> planning longer…:)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 9, 2022, at 8:23 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with 
> these 
> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont 
> which 
> I'm excited to try. 
>
> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved 
> rides. 
>
> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Jason Fuller]

I find 38-44mm to be the sweet spot for me for road (and road-ish) riding, 
including brevets but certainly not including crit racing. I can see 
wanting narrower if you need that razor-sharp handling and instant power 
transfer for fast, tightly packed peloton racing but otherwise the only 
argument that makes sense to me for narrower road tires is that one simply 
prefers the road feedback of a higher pressure, lower volume tire.  I find 
38-44mm at ~40psi gives me the balance between feeling the road but also 
smoothing out the bumps.  Bigger than this and I feel that I'm giving up 
more in feel (slower, less precise steering; disconnected from the road) 
than I'm gaining in comfort. Of course, this is much bigger than popular 
road riding belief, but I chalk that up to trickle-down from racing, which 
doesn't actually represent what makes sense for most riders.  

On Tuesday, 9 August 2022 at 09:01:24 UTC-7 Mike Godwin wrote:

> 35 Gravel King slicks on the Roadeo, 38 Gravel King slicks on the BMC 
> Monstercross, 38 SOMA Supple Vittesse (measure 35, but tall) on the Bob 
> Jackson, 35 Bontrager somethings on the Poprad. Sometimes the GK tires on 
> the Roadeo seem wide because the front end handling seems to change a bit 
> depending on the coarseness of the road surface. But I really like the 
> smooth ride in the cushion of air the wider tires offer.
>
> Mike "fat and happy" Godwin in SLO CA
> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 8:40:36 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks for all the takes. Glad to see everyone's into going for plump 
>> tires :) 
>>
>> Jamin, love that maroon bar tape and the general setup of your Homer. 
>> Lugged stem and seatpost! What's size rings do you have on your crank? 
>> Looks like a SunXCD. I'm considering putting Suntour barcons on my 
>> Hillborne, I have Suntour Cyclone derailers. 
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 11:01:35 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> This doesn't really speak to tire width, but I continue to be impressed 
>>> by the RH knobby offerings. I love feeling confident that I can ride all 
>>> day on pavement, gravel or even singletrack and the tires perform admirably 
>>> on all surfaces. They're surprisingly fast, quiet, and feel great. I have 
>>> 650b x 48 Juniper Ridge on one bike, and 26" x 2.3" Humptulips on another. 
>>> Typically I run down to 24 psi for gravel or off-roadish stuff, and 30-32 
>>> psi if I'm going to be primarily on asphalt.
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:55:22 AM UTC-4 jamin orrall wrote:
>>>
 Beautiful Sam! here is my homer on 38mm paselas, very narrow rims so 
 they only measure out to about 36.  It feels great on the road but I 
 definitely want to go wider, thinking about rebuilding the wheels with 
 wider rims and fancy 42mm tires.  I was going to suggest Jan's blog post 
 this morning as well.

 Jamin

 On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 7:46:23 AM UTC-7 Steven Sweedler wrote:

> I’ve been riding (and touring ) on RTP’s for a few years now  and 
> Jan’s post this morning makes it pretty clear thats not the reason I am 
> as 
> slow as I am. Also nice to see such an endorsement for 26” wheels. Steve
>
> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 10:30 AM  wrote:
>
>> Call me old school but for strictly road I’m happiest with 700x38. 
>> And when I say strictly road that means I reserve the right to try and 
>> ride 
>> anything else I find enticing. 
>>
>> I’ve come to that conclusion after riding many miles on various 
>> widths of 26, 650b and 700c tires. 
>>
>> I did read Jan’s blog this morning. It was interesting. I’m glad he 
>> noted that regardless of speed, feel plays a large role in which tires 
>> we 
>> pick for a ride. I like the way 700x38 feels on my 57cm road oriented 
>> frames. 
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Aaron in El Paso 
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 07:33, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>
>> Forgot to mention; “long” paved ride for me is 50’ish miles. Buy 
>> planning longer…:)
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 8:23 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>
>> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement 
>> and doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie 
>> Pass tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went 
>> with 
>> these seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard 
>> casing but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from 
>> Vermont which I'm excited to try. 
>>
>> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved 
>> rides. 
>>
>> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
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Re: [RBW] Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Mike Godwin]

35 Gravel King slicks on the Roadeo, 38 Gravel King slicks on the BMC 
Monstercross, 38 SOMA Supple Vittesse (measure 35, but tall) on the Bob 
Jackson, 35 Bontrager somethings on the Poprad. Sometimes the GK tires on 
the Roadeo seem wide because the front end handling seems to change a bit 
depending on the coarseness of the road surface. But I really like the 
smooth ride in the cushion of air the wider tires offer.

Mike "fat and happy" Godwin in SLO CA
On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 8:40:36 AM UTC-7 eric...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for all the takes. Glad to see everyone's into going for plump 
> tires :) 
>
> Jamin, love that maroon bar tape and the general setup of your Homer. 
> Lugged stem and seatpost! What's size rings do you have on your crank? 
> Looks like a SunXCD. I'm considering putting Suntour barcons on my 
> Hillborne, I have Suntour Cyclone derailers. 
>
> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 11:01:35 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> This doesn't really speak to tire width, but I continue to be impressed 
>> by the RH knobby offerings. I love feeling confident that I can ride all 
>> day on pavement, gravel or even singletrack and the tires perform admirably 
>> on all surfaces. They're surprisingly fast, quiet, and feel great. I have 
>> 650b x 48 Juniper Ridge on one bike, and 26" x 2.3" Humptulips on another. 
>> Typically I run down to 24 psi for gravel or off-roadish stuff, and 30-32 
>> psi if I'm going to be primarily on asphalt.
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:55:22 AM UTC-4 jamin orrall wrote:
>>
>>> Beautiful Sam! here is my homer on 38mm paselas, very narrow rims so 
>>> they only measure out to about 36.  It feels great on the road but I 
>>> definitely want to go wider, thinking about rebuilding the wheels with 
>>> wider rims and fancy 42mm tires.  I was going to suggest Jan's blog post 
>>> this morning as well.
>>>
>>> Jamin
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 7:46:23 AM UTC-7 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>>
 I’ve been riding (and touring ) on RTP’s for a few years now  and Jan’s 
 post this morning makes it pretty clear thats not the reason I am as slow 
 as I am. Also nice to see such an endorsement for 26” wheels. Steve

 On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 10:30 AM  wrote:

> Call me old school but for strictly road I’m happiest with 700x38. And 
> when I say strictly road that means I reserve the right to try and ride 
> anything else I find enticing. 
>
> I’ve come to that conclusion after riding many miles on various widths 
> of 26, 650b and 700c tires. 
>
> I did read Jan’s blog this morning. It was interesting. I’m glad he 
> noted that regardless of speed, feel plays a large role in which tires we 
> pick for a ride. I like the way 700x38 feels on my 57cm road oriented 
> frames. 
>
> Best,
>
> Aaron in El Paso 
>
> On Aug 9, 2022, at 07:33, Richard Rose  wrote:
>
> Forgot to mention; “long” paved ride for me is 50’ish miles. Buy 
> planning longer…:)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Aug 9, 2022, at 8:23 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>
> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with 
> these 
> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont 
> which 
> I'm excited to try. 
>
> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved 
> rides. 
>
> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
>
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Re: [RBW] Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Eric Marth]

Thanks for all the takes. Glad to see everyone's into going for plump tires 
:) 

Jamin, love that maroon bar tape and the general setup of your Homer. 
Lugged stem and seatpost! What's size rings do you have on your crank? 
Looks like a SunXCD. I'm considering putting Suntour barcons on my 
Hillborne, I have Suntour Cyclone derailers. 

On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 11:01:35 AM UTC-4 brok...@gmail.com wrote:

> This doesn't really speak to tire width, but I continue to be impressed by 
> the RH knobby offerings. I love feeling confident that I can ride all day 
> on pavement, gravel or even singletrack and the tires perform admirably on 
> all surfaces. They're surprisingly fast, quiet, and feel great. I have 650b 
> x 48 Juniper Ridge on one bike, and 26" x 2.3" Humptulips on another. 
> Typically I run down to 24 psi for gravel or off-roadish stuff, and 30-32 
> psi if I'm going to be primarily on asphalt.
>
> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:55:22 AM UTC-4 jamin orrall wrote:
>
>> Beautiful Sam! here is my homer on 38mm paselas, very narrow rims so they 
>> only measure out to about 36.  It feels great on the road but I definitely 
>> want to go wider, thinking about rebuilding the wheels with wider rims and 
>> fancy 42mm tires.  I was going to suggest Jan's blog post this morning as 
>> well.
>>
>> Jamin
>>
>> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 7:46:23 AM UTC-7 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>>
>>> I’ve been riding (and touring ) on RTP’s for a few years now  and Jan’s 
>>> post this morning makes it pretty clear thats not the reason I am as slow 
>>> as I am. Also nice to see such an endorsement for 26” wheels. Steve
>>>
>>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 10:30 AM  wrote:
>>>
 Call me old school but for strictly road I’m happiest with 700x38. And 
 when I say strictly road that means I reserve the right to try and ride 
 anything else I find enticing. 

 I’ve come to that conclusion after riding many miles on various widths 
 of 26, 650b and 700c tires. 

 I did read Jan’s blog this morning. It was interesting. I’m glad he 
 noted that regardless of speed, feel plays a large role in which tires we 
 pick for a ride. I like the way 700x38 feels on my 57cm road oriented 
 frames. 

 Best,

 Aaron in El Paso 

 On Aug 9, 2022, at 07:33, Richard Rose  wrote:

 Forgot to mention; “long” paved ride for me is 50’ish miles. Buy 
 planning longer…:)

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 9, 2022, at 8:23 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:

 Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
 doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
 tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with these 
 seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
 but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont 
 which 
 I'm excited to try. 

 Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved 
 rides. 

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Re: [RBW] Your Road or Road-ish Riv Rubber Radius (tire width)

[Brian Turner]

This doesn't really speak to tire width, but I continue to be impressed by 
the RH knobby offerings. I love feeling confident that I can ride all day 
on pavement, gravel or even singletrack and the tires perform admirably on 
all surfaces. They're surprisingly fast, quiet, and feel great. I have 650b 
x 48 Juniper Ridge on one bike, and 26" x 2.3" Humptulips on another. 
Typically I run down to 24 psi for gravel or off-roadish stuff, and 30-32 
psi if I'm going to be primarily on asphalt.

On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 10:55:22 AM UTC-4 jamin orrall wrote:

> Beautiful Sam! here is my homer on 38mm paselas, very narrow rims so they 
> only measure out to about 36.  It feels great on the road but I definitely 
> want to go wider, thinking about rebuilding the wheels with wider rims and 
> fancy 42mm tires.  I was going to suggest Jan's blog post this morning as 
> well.
>
> Jamin
>
> On Tuesday, August 9, 2022 at 7:46:23 AM UTC-7 Steven Sweedler wrote:
>
>> I’ve been riding (and touring ) on RTP’s for a few years now  and Jan’s 
>> post this morning makes it pretty clear thats not the reason I am as slow 
>> as I am. Also nice to see such an endorsement for 26” wheels. Steve
>>
>> On Tue, Aug 9, 2022 at 10:30 AM  wrote:
>>
>>> Call me old school but for strictly road I’m happiest with 700x38. And 
>>> when I say strictly road that means I reserve the right to try and ride 
>>> anything else I find enticing. 
>>>
>>> I’ve come to that conclusion after riding many miles on various widths 
>>> of 26, 650b and 700c tires. 
>>>
>>> I did read Jan’s blog this morning. It was interesting. I’m glad he 
>>> noted that regardless of speed, feel plays a large role in which tires we 
>>> pick for a ride. I like the way 700x38 feels on my 57cm road oriented 
>>> frames. 
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Aaron in El Paso 
>>>
>>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 07:33, Richard Rose  wrote:
>>>
>>> Forgot to mention; “long” paved ride for me is 50’ish miles. Buy 
>>> planning longer…:)
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Aug 9, 2022, at 8:23 AM, Eric Marth  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello people — What size tires do you all run for riding pavement and 
>>> doing brevets and such? My Hillborne is set up with 44mm Snoqualmie Pass 
>>> tires from RH. They are slick, I run them at around 37psi. Went with these 
>>> seeing no downsides. I have clearance for maybe even 48s. Standard casing 
>>> but I have a set of used extra lights heading to me soon from Vermont which 
>>> I'm excited to try. 
>>>
>>> Curious to know what others think about tire sizes for long paved rides. 
>>>
>>> [image: Hillborne.jpg]
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