[RBW] Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Patrick Moore]

For the Dahon Hon Solo, which is a folder, on which a drop bar would make
folding awkward, I think. (If anyone knows otherwise, please advise.) It
presently has the original road model Moustache bar, which is better than a
flat bar, but it still hurts my left hand very quickly.

How is the Albastache shape different from that of the original Moustache,
and in y'all's experience, is it more comfortable than the original M?

And: what is the width at the middle of the curves? The Moustache measures
about 40 cm here, and 52 at the ends. I know that the A measures 55 at the
ends.

Thanks.

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[RBW] Re: Exploding Tires

[Ian A]

I've had the same symptoms from catching the tube between the bead and rim 
and it's not always been an immediate reaction. Sometimes a few hours have 
passed.  I'm a little gun-shy around newly changed tires now. I always 
slightly inflate the tube and often used a narrower tube than recommended 
to mitigate the risk of pinching. Ear defenders are useful at the tire 
changing station.After inflation, my habit is to mostly deflate the tire, 
then work the bead around both sides checking visually that the tube is 
clear of the bead. A bright rim tape that contrasts with black helps that.

I've also popped tubes inside the tire by over-inflating which has unseated 
the tire, when trying to stretch a close-fitting and stubborn tire, but the 
pressure needs to be super excessive.  A loose rim/tire combo could 
certainly pop off with relatively modest over-inflation.

IanA/Canada

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 7:10:24 AM UTC-7, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> So I inflated the 50mm Schwalbe Marathons on my Hunq to 60 psi (rear) and 
> 40 psi (front) last night and wheeled it into the kitchen in preparation 
> for what would have been my morning commute.  About twenty minutes later, 
> there was a deafening "bang" from the kitchen; I honestly thought a handgun 
> had gone off or something had detonated in the microwave, and my left ear 
> was ringing for a half hour afterward.  Long story short, the Schwalbe 
> inner tube on my rear tire had popped, shredded, and actually blew the tire 
> off the rim; anyone who uses Marathons knows how hard it is to get those 
> things on the rim in the first place, and it's sobering to think of how 
> much energy must have been released to unseat one.  Fortunately, aside from 
> screwing up my commute and throwing my dogs' digestive systems into 
> reverse, however, there was no other apparent damage.
> Anyone know generally what causes a tube to blow up like that?  It wasn't 
> over-inflated, probably only had fifty or sixty miles on it, was the 
> correct size for the tire, and generally should have lasted for several 
> hundred miles.  My son has had this problem with some Specialized tubes 
> recently, but the Schwalbe products are generally of a higher quality, but 
> now I'm wondering whether there's a QC issue at the factories in, I assume, 
> China.  
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> Kevin
>
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[RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, all. I missed the comparo photo on the Riv site.

Well, since such comfort as I find on the original M bar is riding the
hoods just inside of the curves, the A would give me a slightly wider
stance, which is a plus, but the curves and the drop look pretty much the
same, which is a minus. I guess what I'll do is scavenge a cheap drop bar
and try it first, to see how well the H Solo folds with it. If that works,
all well; if not, back to the search.

At least the M bar is more comfortable than the aggressive Ritchey
bullhorns it replaced.

The Deacon's experience would weigh heavily on the "yes, try it!" side, but
still, those curves ...

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spyshots of my custom mixte - happy days

[Ryan Fleming]

Sure can be

In my case, I think that my frame was  probably  tweaked for the choco-norm 
bars...as opposed to moustache bars I typically ride. But since the Chocs 
extend back farther than the M-bars would, I needed  a longer stem to 
compensate. I'm sure that Mark or Will or Grant can explain this way better 
than I can and I'm sure  they'd be happy to walk you through it. Glad they 
caught that I ordered my usual stem length and kindly replaced it, tested 
it and  sorted out the issue

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 4:31:13 AM UTC-6, Les Lammers wrote:
>
> Interesting. What size is your frame? I'm still not sure about the stem 
> size on my Chevoit or if the Choco norm bars will stay. Handlebar choice 
> can be a slippery slope.
>
> On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 2:58:54 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> They do look like neat bars and I was willing to try something a bit 
>> different
>>
>> I had originally ordered a 9cm Tallux stem but after mostly building up 
>> the bike ,*Mark (and Grant and Will agreed) that the 9cm stem with the 
>> flipped Chocos which extend back way more than moustaches I usually ride 
>> with  gave the bike a twitchiness which was not ideal...too far behind the 
>> steering axis .* I didn't know what to pick for a stem extension, really 
>> , so I just went with what I normally use with moustache and road bars. All 
>> ended well ; Mark chopped 14mm off the ends of the bars and swapped the 9cm 
>> stem for a 13cm,  so all is well. Must be challenging , though, dealing 
>> with a non-local customer, though...there's a lot of back-and-forth 
>> especially for a complete build. But they do an awesome job and they bend 
>> over backwards to get everything just right, so I applaud them for that.
>>
>> Pretty much all that's missing from what I've seen so far  is the saddle 
>> and seatpost - B-17 Select and S-83 Nitto seatpost and some of those MKS 
>> touring pedals
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 6:49:51 AM UTC-6, Les Lammers wrote:
>>>
>>> Looks might fine Ryan! The Choco norm bars are quite nice. These look 
>>> interesting too. 
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/pneubar-pname
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 4:19:20 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:

 It is a beautiful colour...just as I envsioned and it'll look neat in 
 sunlight too. It's a metallic burgundy ---from Joe Bell's chart of colours

 And since I don't possess the mechanical /artistic skills   that you , 
  Bill or   my partner has, I am glad that Mark at Riv is building the bike 
 and installing the fenders and I asked for Rich-built wheels.I took some 
 help from Grant and Mark for some of the parts picks*...Grant 
 persuaded me to try his Choco bars* and Mark recommended WI hubs 
 because I thought the Phil rear cassette hub price was a bit more spendy. 
 But I like picking parts and I pretty much picked stuff I know and love; 
 Chris King headset, Phil Wood BB , Brooks B-17 Select , getting cream SKS 
 fenders, Nitto for bars,stem, seatpost, Sugino for cranks...etc. I have a 
 few nice bikes but no place really to work on themI rent...have half a 
 garage but wouldn't feel comfortable leaving tools and super-expensive 
 bike 
 stuff locked up in the garage.


 Anywaylooking forward to riding it come spring
 On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 2:59:38 PM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:
>
> OMG.  THAT IS A GORGEOUS COLOR, GORGEOUS BIKE. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:46 AM, Shoji Takahashi  
> wrote:
>
> wow! Happy New Year, Ryan. 
> Tailwinds, shoji
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 11:36:11 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming 
> wrote: 
>>
>> Mark at Rivendell was kind enough to shoot a few pics of my custom in 
>> progress. Inside shots but the color looks  like it turned out as I 
>> hoped 
>>
>> Hopefully you can view these. 
>>
>> Happy new year , everyone !
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[RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[drew]

i had og mustache on one bike, sold that bike and then put albastache on my 
hunq. cant say i noticed much difference, but there are so many other 
factors at play in my experience. i love the bars and resist putting them 
on all my bikes.  i will offer that i think position and stem length are 
important with either bar, similarly to drops. i had gotten used to upright 
sweepy back bars feeling fine on just about any stem/height/angle, and 
learned that stached ones need more a more refined fit. 

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[RBW] Re: Exploding Tires

[Garth]

Before I even install the tire I inflate the tube just enough to give it 
some shape. The install the tire, leaving half open. Then slide the tube in 
place, then close the tire, use some lever if necessary but often they are 
not, just depends on the tire. Then I start to fill the tire, but just 
enough to fill it out, just listen and you'll know when it is, there won't 
be anymore sounds coming from the tire. Then I deflate it just a bit, and 
using both hands pinch the tire and give it a little side flex to see 
inside between the rim and tire bead to make sure there is no tube showing. 
And make sure the valve stem is straight, then install the nut and tighten 
when inflated if necessary.  Despite never finding any tube overlap to 
correct I've done this since the 80's anyways all the time.  I have only 
had one tube explode and it did so where the valve stem it attached to the 
tube. The cause ?  Since it only happened once and the tube is not 
recounting the event for me, I just call it one of those things, laugh and 
smile :)  Otherwise I have never had a tube explode in the tire, despite 
like many of us using tubes of all various sorts.  Even sticking to a brand 
name doesn't mean anything, since they could and do change anything about 
how it's made at any time . 


I suspect in Kevin's case it may have been from a seating issue and not the 
tubes, but I am just guessing like everyone else here.  
As for too much pressure ...personal opinions and experiences aside, by 
Schwalbe's own standards he is in acceptable range. The tire still should 
not blow off the rim unless not seated correctly even @ 60 psi.   
https://www.schwalbetires.com/tech_info/inflation_pressure

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Re: [RBW] Re: Huge Rosco Mixte

[Abcyclehank]

Lucky buyers.  If anything changes your mind between now and delivery I will 
take yours off your hands.  Have 100cm pbh and actually have considered a 
custom mixte because the largest Cheviot and Clementine did not measure up.  
Also anyone looking for large Riv classics 64-68cm might be able to get me to 
part with one in my fleet.
I have a 68cm custom, 68cm Atlantis w/ a& s couplers,
 68 Quickbeam, and a 64cm Bombadil.  
Final option is a NOS never built up Betty Foy for a significant other by 
chance.

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West Michigan
(616)928-4226

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[RBW] Re: Yepp Mini on Rivendell experiences?

[Tony DeFilippo]

Got my Yepp Mini and plan to try it out while I'm in North Carolina next 
weekend with some mild weather... any consensus on helmets for small 
noggins?  I had picked up a Bell advertised as 'infant' size and it's a bit 
large, probably will work fine with a knit hat.  Some shopping on amazon 
and I'm finding all listed at 1 year +...  My daughter just about 7 months 
and aside from being a pretty robust ~20lbs has good head/neck control. 
 The nutcase helmet looks good, and my wife likes hers.  Figure I'll try 
that unless I hear some other good ideas from the list.  

Tony

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[RBW] Re: Rosco kids bike

[Bill Lindsay]

Stoker concisely inquired:

Photo's?


Here is a link to a photo of a kids bike frameset with the Rosco Bubbe 
proto-label:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lv6jzxHE0G1qdvnvk.jpg

As dstein said, there was never a concrete plan to make and sell kids 
bikes.  They once took the groups temperature with a couple questions like: 
If we made a kids bike frameset and it cost $500, would you want to buy 
one?  I'd guess that today the real cost would be something very much like 
the current Rosco Bubbe frames.  Rivendell doesn't think there's a 
sufficient demand for a $925 kids bike frame, and I agree with Riv in that 
opinion.  

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito, CA
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Exploding Tires

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/13/2017 02:38 PM, Ian A wrote:
I've had the same symptoms from catching the tube between the bead and 
rim and it's not always been an immediate reaction. Sometimes a few 
hours have passed.  I'm a little gun-shy around newly changed tires 
now. I always slightly inflate the tube and often used a narrower tube 
than recommended to mitigate the risk of pinching. Ear defenders are 
useful at the tire changing station.After inflation, my habit is to 
mostly deflate the tire, then work the bead around both sides checking 
visually that the tube is clear of the bead. A bright rim tape that 
contrasts with black helps that.


It's not 100% foolproof, but it's useful to incorporate into your tire 
changing routine a step to stop inflating at around 30 psi, remove the 
pump, and holding the wheel in your hand, give it a spin.  Watch a fixed 
point at the rim/tire interface and look for unevenness (i.e., hops or 
dips) as the tire goes around.  A flap of tube pinched under the bead 
will usually show itself as a hop.



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[RBW] Re: RIVEOPARDY

[Ryan Fleming]

Some of those questions are real headscratchers...that's all I'll say. Fun 
, though

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>
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[RBW] Re: Rosco kids bike

[Ryan Fleming]

agreed  it's a bit spendy   ..OTOH if you can pass it down through your 
brood and you have a good parts stash , it's not a terrible idea to swallow 
the $500 price. Depends on your finances and priorities...and whether your 
kids are into bikes. Gotta sayI like em though

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 1:21:03 PM UTC-6, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Stoker concisely inquired:
>
> Photo's?
>
>
> Here is a link to a photo of a kids bike frameset with the Rosco Bubbe 
> proto-label:
>
> http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lv6jzxHE0G1qdvnvk.jpg
>
> As dstein said, there was never a concrete plan to make and sell kids 
> bikes.  They once took the groups temperature with a couple questions like: 
> If we made a kids bike frameset and it cost $500, would you want to buy 
> one?  I'd guess that today the real cost would be something very much like 
> the current Rosco Bubbe frames.  Rivendell doesn't think there's a 
> sufficient demand for a $925 kids bike frame, and I agree with Riv in that 
> opinion.  
>
> Bill Lindsay
> El Cerrito, CA
>  
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: My Cantis cant get no respect.

[Patrick Moore]

My Matthews has a "French curved" disc fork, ie tight low bend, and a lot
of it. Seems to work fine. I don't know if the curve helps smooth the ride,
but overall the bike is noticeably more smooth over small high frequency
bumps than was the Fargo. Of course, light road tubing throughout compared
to the massive stoutness of the Fargo.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 3:02 PM, Evan Baird  wrote:

> So now that the church has cannonized disc brakes the question becomes how
> many people are actually riding curvy disc forks? It seemed like Elephant
> had it in the bag, but now they're redesigned their forks so I have to
> assume there were issues. Soma is doing the Champs with disc brakes, but I
> haven't had an opportunity to try the protoype so I can't say exactly how
> much flex it's going to have. The Rawlands were redesigned with straight
> blades when the decision was made to switch to disc brakes, but it seems to
> me that curvy blades on a plus tire would be pretty much pointless.
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[RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons

[Evan Baird]

While I agree that drop bar hydraulics feel loads better than mechanicals 
in terms of modulation, I'm curious whether Jan knows of any mechanical 
brakes that pass muster. My experience has been that using compressionless 
housing makes a huge difference in terms of power, but I haven't ridden the 
Paul Klampers or the TRP Spyres long enough to form any opinion. I ask 
because I'm planning to try an Ultra Romance style non aero disc brake 
combo on my Ravn build, and you better believe I'm going to ride that thing 
on singletrack.

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[RBW] Re: Rosco kids bike

[Joe Bernard]

I would love to turn that into a mini velo with a long stem, but I'm crazy ;-)

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[RBW] RIVEOPARDY

[Joe Bernard]

Check out Grant's Blahg for a neat sort-of-a contest. You have to write on 
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Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA. 

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[RBW] Re: Has anyone used this bell?

[Garth]

$50 smackers for a bike bell ?   

I wouldn't buy it not because of the price but the sound and function of 
it.   I really do prefer the more musical varieties , to me they are fun .  
If I need defenses on my bike rides it's time to not ride anymore. 

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[RBW] Re: My Cantis cant get no respect.

[Evan Baird]

So now that the church has cannonized disc brakes the question becomes how 
many people are actually riding curvy disc forks? It seemed like Elephant 
had it in the bag, but now they're redesigned their forks so I have to 
assume there were issues. Soma is doing the Champs with disc brakes, but I 
haven't had an opportunity to try the protoype so I can't say exactly how 
much flex it's going to have. The Rawlands were redesigned with straight 
blades when the decision was made to switch to disc brakes, but it seems to 
me that curvy blades on a plus tire would be pretty much pointless.

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Re: [RBW] Best handlebar width on a 61 Atlantis?

[Steven Sweedler]

I think there is  a relationship between width of your shoulders and width
of yoyr bars. Fit Kit suggested I move from 40 to 44 when 44 was the widest
available. I moved to 46 when they cam out and then 48 and have them on all
my bikes. Steve

On Friday, January 13, 2017, BenG  wrote:

> Oh yes, go wide.
> My 60cm Sam just got noodled with 48cm in a dirt drop stem, and I went
> from unsure to big fan on the first 2-hr ride. The wide one fits
> interrupter levers with adequate hand room. I don't notice any "splayed"
> sensation, whereas I feel cramped on my vintage bike's skinny bar.
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[RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Ryan Fleming]

Hi Patrick

Pretty decent visual highlighting the difference here:

h
ttps://www.rivbike.com/collections/handlebars-stems/products/nitto-albastache-new-moustache-bar-26-0-16244
  


Gives you some idea, hopefully

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 11:39:46 AM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
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> For the Dahon Hon Solo, which is a folder, on which a drop bar would make 
> folding awkward, I think. (If anyone knows otherwise, please advise.) It 
> presently has the original road model Moustache bar, which is better than a 
> flat bar, but it still hurts my left hand very quickly.
>
> How is the Albastache shape different from that of the original Moustache, 
> and in y'all's experience, is it more comfortable than the original M?
>
> And: what is the width at the middle of the curves? The Moustache measures 
> about 40 cm here, and 52 at the ends. I know that the A measures 55 at the 
> ends. 
>
> Thanks.
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[RBW] Re: Rosco kids bike

[stoker]

Photo's?

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[RBW] Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Joe Bernard]

Neither worked for me, so Deacon Patrick's experience is probably more valuable 
for you. The end-grip position is fine - it works much like an Alba or Choco - 
but that forward curve lands right in a soft spot in my palm that turns to 
tingle and pain after a half hour on either Moustache Bar. Me no likey.

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[RBW] FS: Joe App 55cm Butternut New In Box!

[Christopher Murray]

A lot of interest and a lot of questions. I bought the bike directly from 
Rivendell and it is the stock build with the chocomoose bars. The saddle and 
pedals are missing because I sold them to a list member who expressed an 
interest (I had no interest in them). I think I sold them for $40 shipped but 
might be off $5 in either direction. I'll include a brand new, never installed 
pair of Thin Gripster pedals. With the upcoming price increase and the Atlantis 
in stock in my size, I have an incentive to lower the price a little. I'll 
lower the price to $2100 shipped. This $100 discount should score you a nice 
B17 or other saddle of your choice. 

A new Appaloosa from Riv is $2600 plus shipping and/or tax-- so easily $2700+. 
They don't have them in stock, won't come in the butternut color, won't have 
the moose h'bars, and won't come with Thin Gripster pedals. And that doesn't 
mention the $600+ discount buying mine. 

If it doesn't sell I'll keep it and put it together for the spring. 

Cheers!
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Re: [RBW] Exploding Tires

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/13/2017 01:59 PM, Kevin Lindsey wrote:

All -
Thanks for the input.
Pinch: It's possible that the tube was pinched, although I always 
inflate 'em a bit before tucking them inside.  Also, I've used this 
tire for a couple of commutes already, and would have thought that a 
pinch would have made itself manifest before now.  No?


Not necessarily.  The tire that blew that way while I was in my car 
driving down the road had just been on a 50 mile bike ride with no trouble.



Temp: There's not much of a temperature differential between my 
basement and my kitchen.  Because my son lives down there, the 
basement sometimes is actually warmer than upstairs.
Pressure: I often run my 50mm tires at 60 psi, although I think I'll 
drop that down to 40 or so based on this experience.  (As an 
experiment, I once ran 'em up to 80 psi and was almost literally 
bounced off the bike.  Not recommended.)


Definitely not.  Not only because you ruin the ride, but also because 
over-inflated fat tires can develop a wicked bounce that can take the 
handlebars right out of your hands.  Happened to me once on a Bruce 
Gordon Rock 'n Road tire, back before any of us knew anything about tire 
pressure other than what was written on the sidewall.



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[RBW] Re: Rosco kids bike

[dstein]

I talked to someone at HQ about this when picking up my Rosco Rubbe. I 
think it was just a sample they were playing with, but ultimately it is too 
expensive for a kid that will grow out of so quickly, at least a fully 
lugged version would be. The sample was used by someone local for a while 
and they just dropped it off as their kid outgrew it. No plans from what I 
picked up on making it an actual bike.

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>
> I've seen a couple photos floating around. Is there any concrete info on a 
> kids Rosco bubbe yet?

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[RBW] Re: FS: Joe App 55cm Butternut New In Box!

['mlpessar' via RBW Owners Bunch]

On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 4:27:02 PM UTC-5, Christopher Murray wrote:
>
> I have a brand new Joe Appaloosa for sale. It is butternut and  55cm 
> complete.  I took it out of the box to inspect and put it back in. Never 
> assembled. I don't have the plastic saddle or the plastic pedals but will 
> include a new pair of Thin Gripster pedals also still in the box, never 
> installed. $2200 shipped CONUS. 
>
> I really want an Atlantis and if this sells quickly I'll grab the one Riv 
> has in stock.
>
> Cheers!
> Chris
>

Chris, If the Appaloosa is still available i"ll take it. How would you like 
to do this? 

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Re: [RBW] Best handlebar width on a 61 Atlantis?

[Patrick Moore]

Bars are as personal as saddles, but I personally like slightly wider drop
bars on a bike that I will ride off road.

For me, this is still quite narrow: 42 cm measured at the hoods. (Is this
the conventional way to measure them? They're 44 at the middle of the
hooks. Either way works of course, but I assume that the former is the
convention) compared to ~38 for my road bars, but the additional width is
noticeable and appreciated off road. (I tried 46 and found them too wide.)

My typical frame size is 58 c-c and I have a somewhat narrow build. If you
are bigger, go wider as comfort dictates.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 6:17 AM, John G.  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Building up an Atlantis, and I'm putting Noodles on it. Should I go wider
> than 44 cm? I'll mostly be using it on roads.
>
> Thanks!
> John
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Re: [RBW] Exploding Tires

[Kevin Lindsey]

All -
Thanks for the input.
Pinch: It's possible that the tube was pinched, although I always inflate 
'em a bit before tucking them inside.  Also, I've used this tire for a 
couple of commutes already, and would have thought that a pinch would have 
made itself manifest before now.  No?
Temp: There's not much of a temperature differential between my basement 
and my kitchen.  Because my son lives down there, the basement sometimes is 
actually warmer than upstairs.
Pressure: I often run my 50mm tires at 60 psi, although I think I'll drop 
that down to 40 or so based on this experience.  (As an experiment, I once 
ran 'em up to 80 psi and was almost literally bounced off the bike.  Not 
recommended.)
I've had some relatively minor issues with Schwalbe tubes before and simply 
assumed that this explosion was a quality control issue.  Based on what you 
all have said, I'll rethink that.
Happy MLK Day.
Kevin

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 12:10:28 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> First question: why would you pump 50 mm tires to 60 psi? Mine are rock 
> hard at anything over 30, and these are the very light and supple F Freds.
>
> Moving on: I had an experience like that. For some reason I had my '89 
> Falcon with 19 mm tires pumped to 120 psi sitting next to my bed one night 
> when BAM! a tube exploded. After much anguish, I discovered that the 
> culprit was insufficient rim tape: the packing tape I'd used on the advice 
> of Bicycling Mag as a very thin rim cover to help install the very, very 
> tight tires would split and let the tube be pressed down onto a spoke 
> protruding from the inside of the nipple. 
>
> Subsequently I had similar problems over the years caused by using rim 
> tape too narrow for the rim bed. But once I got wise, no more such problems.
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 7:10 AM, Kevin Lindsey  > wrote:
>
>> So I inflated the 50mm Schwalbe Marathons on my Hunq to 60 psi (rear) and 
>> 40 psi (front) last night and wheeled it into the kitchen in preparation 
>> for what would have been my morning commute.  About twenty minutes later, 
>> there was a deafening "bang" from the kitchen; I honestly thought a handgun 
>> had gone off or something had detonated in the microwave, and my left ear 
>> was ringing for a half hour afterward.  Long story short, the Schwalbe 
>> inner tube on my rear tire had popped, shredded, and actually blew the tire 
>> off the rim; anyone who uses Marathons knows how hard it is to get those 
>> things on the rim in the first place, and it's sobering to think of how 
>> much energy must have been released to unseat one.  Fortunately, aside from 
>> screwing up my commute and throwing my dogs' digestive systems into 
>> reverse, however, there was no other apparent damage.
>> Anyone know generally what causes a tube to blow up like that?  It wasn't 
>> over-inflated, probably only had fifty or sixty miles on it, was the 
>> correct size for the tire, and generally should have lasted for several 
>> hundred miles.  My son has had this problem with some Specialized tubes 
>> recently, but the Schwalbe products are generally of a higher quality, but 
>> now I'm wondering whether there's a QC issue at the factories in, I assume, 
>> China.  
>> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
>> Kevin
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Re: [RBW] Exploding Tires

[Patrick Moore]

First question: why would you pump 50 mm tires to 60 psi? Mine are rock
hard at anything over 30, and these are the very light and supple F Freds.

Moving on: I had an experience like that. For some reason I had my '89
Falcon with 19 mm tires pumped to 120 psi sitting next to my bed one night
when BAM! a tube exploded. After much anguish, I discovered that the
culprit was insufficient rim tape: the packing tape I'd used on the advice
of Bicycling Mag as a very thin rim cover to help install the very, very
tight tires would split and let the tube be pressed down onto a spoke
protruding from the inside of the nipple.

Subsequently I had similar problems over the years caused by using rim tape
too narrow for the rim bed. But once I got wise, no more such problems.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 7:10 AM, Kevin Lindsey 
wrote:

> So I inflated the 50mm Schwalbe Marathons on my Hunq to 60 psi (rear) and
> 40 psi (front) last night and wheeled it into the kitchen in preparation
> for what would have been my morning commute.  About twenty minutes later,
> there was a deafening "bang" from the kitchen; I honestly thought a handgun
> had gone off or something had detonated in the microwave, and my left ear
> was ringing for a half hour afterward.  Long story short, the Schwalbe
> inner tube on my rear tire had popped, shredded, and actually blew the tire
> off the rim; anyone who uses Marathons knows how hard it is to get those
> things on the rim in the first place, and it's sobering to think of how
> much energy must have been released to unseat one.  Fortunately, aside from
> screwing up my commute and throwing my dogs' digestive systems into
> reverse, however, there was no other apparent damage.
> Anyone know generally what causes a tube to blow up like that?  It wasn't
> over-inflated, probably only had fifty or sixty miles on it, was the
> correct size for the tire, and generally should have lasted for several
> hundred miles.  My son has had this problem with some Specialized tubes
> recently, but the Schwalbe products are generally of a higher quality, but
> now I'm wondering whether there's a QC issue at the factories in, I assume,
> China.
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> Kevin
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[RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Deacon Patrick]

For me the Mustache is an hour bar , the New Moustache (aka Albastache) an 
all day, day in day out bar. Why? Wider and less aggressive. 

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 10:39:46 AM UTC-7, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> For the Dahon Hon Solo, which is a folder, on which a drop bar would make 
> folding awkward, I think. (If anyone knows otherwise, please advise.) It 
> presently has the original road model Moustache bar, which is better than a 
> flat bar, but it still hurts my left hand very quickly.
>
> How is the Albastache shape different from that of the original Moustache, 
> and in y'all's experience, is it more comfortable than the original M?
>
> And: what is the width at the middle of the curves? The Moustache measures 
> about 40 cm here, and 52 at the ends. I know that the A measures 55 at the 
> ends. 
>
> Thanks.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons

[Tim Gavin]

I use TRP Hy/Rds on my Foundry Auger, with TRP Pro compressionless
housing.  The Hy/Rds are worlds better than the BB7R's that I used
previously, and almost as good as XT or Guide MTB hydraulic brakes.

The secret (same as with any mechanical disc brake) is to keep the rotor
really true so that you can run with the pads really tight.  That results
in short lever thrown and a nice, tight feel.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 4:09 PM, Evan Baird  wrote:

> While I agree that drop bar hydraulics feel loads better than mechanicals
> in terms of modulation, I'm curious whether Jan knows of any mechanical
> brakes that pass muster. My experience has been that using compressionless
> housing makes a huge difference in terms of power, but I haven't ridden the
> Paul Klampers or the TRP Spyres long enough to form any opinion. I ask
> because I'm planning to try an Ultra Romance style non aero disc brake
> combo on my Ravn build, and you better believe I'm going to ride that thing
> on singletrack.
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[RBW] Re: Yepp Mini on Rivendell experiences?

[Keith Muller]

I'm a big fan of the Nutcase Little Nutties!  Solid helmet, decent price, 
plenty of cool designs, and they are pretty durable.  

Keith

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Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons

[Patrick Moore]

My Road BB7s work -- stop and feel -- as well as any centerpull I've used,
except that they don't modulate as well, using Jagwire housing and old 740n
Dura Ace levers. There is a trick to setting them up that I learned on the
web: attach the cable to the actuation arms when the latter have been moved
through about 1/3 of their travel, not when they are fully relaxed. This
allows more pad distance while also allowing a "feel" like any caliper I've
used, with very good stopping power. Stock rotors; 160 mm?

Very much better than the previous MTB BB7s with V brake levers in both pad
clearance and feel; stopping power about the same; same rotors.

Note that the older version of these road BB7s were among the worst brakes
I've ever used, with the same levers and Jagwire housing.

Note also that it is possible that I have a lower performance bar than
others may, but I have set up scores of brakes of every different sort over
almost 50 years of tinkering.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Evan Baird  wrote:

> While I agree that drop bar hydraulics feel loads better than mechanicals
> in terms of modulation, I'm curious whether Jan knows of any mechanical
> brakes that pass muster. My experience has been that using compressionless
> housing makes a huge difference in terms of power, but I haven't ridden the
> Paul Klampers or the TRP Spyres long enough to form any opinion. I ask
> because I'm planning to try an Ultra Romance style non aero disc brake
> combo on my Ravn build, and you better believe I'm going to ride that thing
> on singletrack.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons

[Jan Heine]

It seems that mechanical discs need larger rotors than hydraulics, that is
all. We tested a Jones with 200 mm rotors and mechanical (mtb) Shimano
discs (XT, I recall), and they were very powerful, but a bit too grabby.

All the bikes we've tested recently with 160 mm rotors (mostly TRP Spyre
brakes) were "almost" fine, but not quite as powerful as a good centerpull.
That seems to indicate that 180 mm is worth a try...

Jan Heine
Editor
Bicycle Quarterly
www.bikequarterly.com

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 2:09 PM, Evan Baird  wrote:

> While I agree that drop bar hydraulics feel loads better than mechanicals
> in terms of modulation, I'm curious whether Jan knows of any mechanical
> brakes that pass muster. My experience has been that using compressionless
> housing makes a huge difference in terms of power, but I haven't ridden the
> Paul Klampers or the TRP Spyres long enough to form any opinion. I ask
> because I'm planning to try an Ultra Romance style non aero disc brake
> combo on my Ravn build, and you better believe I'm going to ride that thing
> on singletrack.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks, Christopher. I (very briefly) tried M bars upside down, and they
just didn't work; notably, the brake (road style) levers just didn't fit
properly.

I haven't had much luck with any "North Road"-type bar, either upright or
inverted. Upright I can never get my body comfortable; inverted, that is,
rather low and extended, they hurt my left palm. The M bar is the best
"sweep-back" bar I've used, and it is marginally acceptable.

How did you like your Solo?

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Christopher Murray <
chrispmurra...@gmail.com> wrote:

> How about inverting the mustache hbars? Might be worth a try.
>
> I have a pair of the no-longer-carried-by-Riv Nitto Dove bars that seem
> like they'd be great for the H' Solo (I had one just like it).
>
> Cheers!
> Chris
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[RBW] FS: Carradice Pendle bag

[lum gim fong]

65$ shipped Conus.
A normal bit of color fade, but works great. Not used a whole lot.
Comes also with the long straps for attaching jacket, etc. to top outside 
of bag.
email  me for pics.
Paypal please.

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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[cyclotourist]

That would be our preference!!!

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Bruce Smitham  wrote:

> Fair enough although you would have more material to discuss if I was
> actually there J
>
>
>
>
> *Bruce Smitham *Senior California Area Manager
> 310-968-6910 <(310)%20968-6910> bsmit...@jlohr.com
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines | jlohr.com
> Facebook & Twitter | @JLohrWines
>
> View the J. Lohr Story!
> 
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D1AAA5.671FAD30]
>
>
>
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines is Certified California Sustainable
>
>
>
> *From:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com [mailto:socalallrounders@
> googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *cyclotourist
> *Sent:* Friday, January 13, 2017 3:39 PM
>
> *To:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Subject:* Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa
>
>
>
> We'll miss you, and talk about you behind your back! It's the least we can
> do. :)
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Bruce Smitham  wrote:
>
> Hi David,
>
>
>
> As much as I would love to make this year’s ride it’s unfortunately smack
> in the middle of my busiest work month of the year. It falls right in the
> middle of a big week of work in N. Cal then S. Cal. So I’m going to have to
> pass on this one. Sorry but thanks for the offer to host. I’ll have to set
> up something fun in San Diego as the weather gets warmer.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
> *Bruce Smitham *Senior California Area Manager
> 310-968-6910 <(310)%20968-6910> bsmit...@jlohr.com
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines | jlohr.com
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>
> View the J. Lohr Story!
> 
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D1AAA5.671FAD30]
>
>
>
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>
>
>
> *From:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com [mailto:socalallrounders@
> googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *cyclotourist
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:13 PM
> *To:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Subject:* Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa
>
>
>
> Couple of updates, on a rainy December day (will be plenty of green in the
> hills!).
>
> We've confirmed that registration is opening on January first.
> 
>  We're
> planning on accommodating up to 500 riders (there were ~350 riders last
> year). So a touch larger. Rain or shine event.
>
>
>
> This time we will be staging it out of Ritual Brewing
> , which has been an amazing and generous
> sponsor & supporter for all four years. They have a large space, real
> toilets, great brews as well non-alcoholic soda pop. Food is going to be
> catered by a local food truck and along with a pint from Ritual, will be
> included with registration. Cost will be $45-$65 depending on route.
>
>
>
> There is also a FB
> 
> event page if that's your thing.
>
>
>
> The event is a fundraiser the Inland Empire Biking Alliance
> ... a non-profit local organization with
> the mission of getting more people riding bikes... good people there!
>
>
>
> Family friendly event and location. It's a tough ride, but one you can
> tailor to your own preferences. Cut it short, ride extra, skip a dirt
> section, bail out early... whatever works for you! Multi-surface, with
> close to a 50/50 split of dirt and asphalt. Dirt is (mostly) all hard-pack
> smooth trail and roads are (mostly) lightly traveled. Come on out and see
> what all the fuss is about!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 7:45 PM, cyclotourist 
> wrote:
>
> Four year veteran!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Esteban  wrote:
>
>  my calendar!!!
>
> Esteban
>
> San Diego, Calif.
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:18 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> Calendared it for March 18th!
>
>
>
> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html
>
>
>
> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
>
>
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
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Re: [RBW] Albastache + brifters

[Ash A]

Hi Mark,

Reg seat position, DOH!  Apparently while struggling to install the saddle 
I turned the seat post around!  Didn't ever realize.  I felt like something 
was wrong, but figured it is something to do with the handlebar experiment. 
 Thanks for that.

Appreciate you alerting me about the stem position.  I had read Sheldon's 
article a while ago.  While tweaking the Bianchi I had totally forgotten 
about it.  The Bianchi is for sale, however, I will pull the stem slightly 
up for the safety of the next owner.

Cheers,

-Ash 


On Saturday, 7 January 2017 10:58:13 UTC-8, Mark in Beacon wrote:
>
> Hi Ash. Before you make the seat adjustment, you may want to turn the 
> seatpost around to its proper position. You have your saddle slammed all 
> the way back already, but your seatpost is facing the wrong way.
>
> Also, like Patrick, I would also question the safety of that setup, but 
> for a different reason. If, as you say, the extender is inserted fully, 
> that is a mighty short head tube, and you may be creating this situation, 
> described here by Sheldon Brown:
>
> Danger! 
>
> *Note:* Steerers  
> are butted  at the 
> bottom, so the hole in the steerer is constant-diameter until near the 
> bottom, then the walls taper inward in the butted section. 
>
> It is *vitally important* that 
> *the steerer extender (or stem) is not inserted so far that the wedge is 
> installed where the steerer is narrowing, or it could come loose 
> unpredictably. *
>
>
> When this happens, only the edge/corner of the quill or wedge contacts the 
> steerer, and it is trying to "grab" a slanted surface. 
>
> This is sometimes a problem on smaller frames if you try to insert the 
> stem or a stem extender too far down into the steerer. 
>
> The stem may also loosen unexpectedly if the steerer has been bulged out 
> by overtightening the expander or wedge.
>
> [image: Stem Inserted Too Far]
>
>
>
> I highly suspect that your Raleigh setup may fall under the above 
> scenario. Even on flats at 15mph, having your handlebars disconnect can be 
> disconcerting.
>
>
> On Friday, January 6, 2017 at 6:08:35 PM UTC-5, Ash A wrote:
>>
>> Rode the Raleigh 21 miles to work today.  My neck is not a happy camper 
>> today.  Can't wait to ride like I want to ride once the Appaloosa arrives!
>>
>> I'm going to try the seat adjustment you suggested before I ride back.
>>
>>
>> Here's picture of the Raleigh (more 
>> https://goo.gl/photos/Ha4YXYY7WoPgZgVw8)
>>
>>
>> -Ash
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, 4 January 2017 07:04:21 UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Please post photos of the built Appaloosa and of the Ace. The Appaloosa 
>>> is one of the Rivs I'd like to own, along with (in order of seriousness) 
>>> the Roadeo, the Hunq, the Atlantis, and the Legolas. The A would come in 
>>> about here.
>>>
>>> And who doesn't want to own a new/old Raleigh?
>>>
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] What is the most interesting thing in you parts bin?

[Christopher Murray]

It's -20 with about 4 feet of snow here so I did a little parts bin organizing. 
Made me wonder what interesting things people have stashed away. Mine is a new 
in the box, never built up, hunqapillar green with cream details, 56cm 
Quickbeam. One day I'll get around to building it up.  

What do you got? Bonus point for pictures. 

Cheers!
Chris

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[RBW] Re: RIVEOPARDY

[Wayne Naha]

I just mailed mine in.  It's not going to score that well, but it was a fun 
bit of nostalgia.

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 2:58:12 PM UTC-5, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Check out Grant's Blahg for a neat sort-of-a contest. You have to write on 
> paper and send in a real envelope. With a real stamp!
>
> Joe Bernard
> Vallejo, CA. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Exploding Tires

[Dae Park]

I've had this happen when my rim tape had been worn down (from wet/water) 
to expose the sharp edges of the spoke holes inside the rim.

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 6:10:24 AM UTC-8, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> So I inflated the 50mm Schwalbe Marathons on my Hunq to 60 psi (rear) and 
> 40 psi (front) last night and wheeled it into the kitchen in preparation 
> for what would have been my morning commute.  About twenty minutes later, 
> there was a deafening "bang" from the kitchen; I honestly thought a handgun 
> had gone off or something had detonated in the microwave, and my left ear 
> was ringing for a half hour afterward.  Long story short, the Schwalbe 
> inner tube on my rear tire had popped, shredded, and actually blew the tire 
> off the rim; anyone who uses Marathons knows how hard it is to get those 
> things on the rim in the first place, and it's sobering to think of how 
> much energy must have been released to unseat one.  Fortunately, aside from 
> screwing up my commute and throwing my dogs' digestive systems into 
> reverse, however, there was no other apparent damage.
> Anyone know generally what causes a tube to blow up like that?  It wasn't 
> over-inflated, probably only had fifty or sixty miles on it, was the 
> correct size for the tire, and generally should have lasted for several 
> hundred miles.  My son has had this problem with some Specialized tubes 
> recently, but the Schwalbe products are generally of a higher quality, but 
> now I'm wondering whether there's a QC issue at the factories in, I assume, 
> China.  
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> Kevin
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Christopher Murray]

How about inverting the mustache hbars? Might be worth a try. 

I have a pair of the no-longer-carried-by-Riv Nitto Dove bars that seem like 
they'd be great for the H' Solo (I had one just like it). 

Cheers!
Chris

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[RBW] Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa

[cyclotourist]

We'll miss you, and talk about you behind your back! It's the least we can
do. :)

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Bruce Smitham  wrote:

> Hi David,
>
>
>
> As much as I would love to make this year’s ride it’s unfortunately smack
> in the middle of my busiest work month of the year. It falls right in the
> middle of a big week of work in N. Cal then S. Cal. So I’m going to have to
> pass on this one. Sorry but thanks for the offer to host. I’ll have to set
> up something fun in San Diego as the weather gets warmer.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
> *Bruce Smitham *Senior California Area Manager
> 310-968-6910 <(310)%20968-6910> bsmit...@jlohr.com
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines | jlohr.com
> Facebook & Twitter | @JLohrWines
>
> View the J. Lohr Story!
> 
>
>
>
> [image: cid:image001.jpg@01D1AAA5.671FAD30]
>
>
>
> J. Lohr Vineyards & Wines is Certified California Sustainable
>
>
>
> *From:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com [mailto:socalallrounders@
> googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *cyclotourist
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 21, 2016 3:13 PM
> *To:* socalallround...@googlegroups.com
> *Cc:* RBW Owners Bunch 
> *Subject:* Re: [socalallrounders] Re: 2017 Redlands Strada Rossa
>
>
>
> Couple of updates, on a rainy December day (will be plenty of green in the
> hills!).
>
> We've confirmed that registration is opening on January first.
> 
>  We're
> planning on accommodating up to 500 riders (there were ~350 riders last
> year). So a touch larger. Rain or shine event.
>
>
>
> This time we will be staging it out of Ritual Brewing
> , which has been an amazing and generous
> sponsor & supporter for all four years. They have a large space, real
> toilets, great brews as well non-alcoholic soda pop. Food is going to be
> catered by a local food truck and along with a pint from Ritual, will be
> included with registration. Cost will be $45-$65 depending on route.
>
>
>
> There is also a FB
> 
> event page if that's your thing.
>
>
>
> The event is a fundraiser the Inland Empire Biking Alliance
> ... a non-profit local organization with
> the mission of getting more people riding bikes... good people there!
>
>
>
> Family friendly event and location. It's a tough ride, but one you can
> tailor to your own preferences. Cut it short, ride extra, skip a dirt
> section, bail out early... whatever works for you! Multi-surface, with
> close to a 50/50 split of dirt and asphalt. Dirt is (mostly) all hard-pack
> smooth trail and roads are (mostly) lightly traveled. Come on out and see
> what all the fuss is about!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 7:45 PM, cyclotourist 
> wrote:
>
> Four year veteran!
>
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 10:29 AM, Esteban  wrote:
>
>  my calendar!!!
>
> Esteban
>
> San Diego, Calif.
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, September 9, 2016 at 11:02:18 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com
> wrote:
>
> Calendared it for March 18th!
>
>
>
> http://redlands-strada-rossa.blogspot.com/2016/09/march-18-2017.html
>
>
>
> Hope to see some familiar faces this spring!
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
>
>
> Member, Supreme Council of Cyberspace
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Christopher Murray]

One last bit... 

How about some good ole fashioned straight mountain bars and maybe bar ends? I 
have straight bars on my Brompton and love it. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Patrick Moore]

Thanks for the offer and for the suggestion. Bar ends and trekking bars all
share the same feature: the forward position is also the wide position, and
these bars are always too wide for my comfort.

Back 20 years ago, when I had real mountain bikes, I'd cut 50 mm off each
end of my bar before installing the bar ends. Then I switched to drop bars.

I think that I'll scare up a drop bar and try that, both with and without
this extension thingie I recently got from JB on this list. If they don't
complicate folding too much, then voila. If they do, then too bad. Of all
the many, many alternatives to the drop bar that I've ridden, the M bar is
one of the least bad -- for my idiosyncracies, of course.

Isn't it interesting how the drop bar is one of the oldest styles
continually available throughout its history? There's gotta be a reason.

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> One last bit...
>
> How about some good ole fashioned straight mountain bars and maybe bar
> ends? I have straight bars on my Brompton and love it.
>
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[RBW] Re: Yepp Mini on Rivendell experiences?

[Will]

You might try an Ovation. They make an XXS helmet. We have one. They are 
nice.

http://www.ovationriding.com/helmets/ovation-schooler-helmet-467566 

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 4:11:14 PM UTC-6, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
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> Got my Yepp Mini and plan to try it out while I'm in North Carolina next 
> weekend with some mild weather... any consensus on helmets for small 
> noggins?  I had picked up a Bell advertised as 'infant' size and it's a bit 
> large, probably will work fine with a knit hat.  Some shopping on amazon 
> and I'm finding all listed at 1 year +...  My daughter just about 7 months 
> and aside from being a pretty robust ~20lbs has good head/neck control. 
>  The nutcase helmet looks good, and my wife likes hers.  Figure I'll try 
> that unless I hear some other good ideas from the list.  
>
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[RBW] Re: RIVEOPARDY

[Joe Bernard]

Did you answer every question? I'm not entirely clear how this works, I don't 
watch Jeopardy. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Patrick Moore]

 umm: was it you from whom I bought mine?

(Squirm, squirm, blush.)

Patrick "short term memory shot" Moore

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> I loved the look of the Solo and bought it on a whim for a good price.
> Never really rode it, moved it around the country with me before finally
> finding it a good home in NM ;).
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Re: [RBW] Re: Huge Rosco Mixte

[Ryan Fleming]

I think that Holiday mixte is calling your SO's namejust sayin...and 
maybe Will's big mixte will reprise

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> Lucky buyers.  If anything changes your mind between now and delivery I 
> will take yours off your hands.  Have 100cm pbh and actually have 
> considered a custom mixte because the largest Cheviot and Clementine did 
> not measure up.  
> Also anyone looking for large Riv classics 64-68cm might be able to get me 
> to part with one in my fleet.
> I have a 68cm custom, 68cm Atlantis w/ a& s couplers,
>  68 Quickbeam, and a 64cm Bombadil.  
> Final option is a NOS never built up Betty Foy for a significant other by 
> chance.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons

[George Schick]

Patrick - I'd add one more item to your list.  I've got a BB7 on the front 
of my Surly 1x1 and for years I had trouble with the pads rubbing the 
rotor, making noises while riding - just as Jan has pointed out as a 
potential shortcoming of discs.  I tried everything; trued the rotor, 
changed the rotor to new, changed to higher quality pads, etc.  Nothing 
worked as a lasting solution.  Finally, I bought a solid axle to replace 
the QR that came with the hub, installed it, and *bolted* it onto the fork. 
 No problems whatsoever since then including rubbing noise or adjustment 
issues.

I'm concluding that *some* disc units on *some* forks (especially with QR) 
may present ongoing problems that only a bolted-on hub will prevent.  Now, 
the BB7 is a lower quality mechanical disc unit so maybe high-end units are 
different.  I also have an early 2000's Trek Fuel 90 MTB (equipped with QR 
hubs, BTW) that came equipped with Hayes hydro units and they were a 
continual problem - rubbed or even just plain locked up all the time.  I 
final threw in the towel on 'em last year and upgraded the entire system to 
Shimano's highest-end brakes.  Nary a problem ever since - smooth braking, 
no grabbing, no rubbing.  And the LBS that I bought the Shimano unit from 
immediately acknowledged the PITA they'd always had with Hayes brakes.  So 
maybe there are a myriad of factors at work and if one gets stuck with an 
unworkable set up they just have to experiment around until they find out 
what solves the problem. 

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> My Road BB7s work -- stop and feel -- as well as any centerpull I've used, 
> except that they don't modulate as well, using Jagwire housing and old 740n 
> Dura Ace levers. There is a trick to setting them up that I learned on the 
> web: attach the cable to the actuation arms when the latter have been moved 
> through about 1/3 of their travel, not when they are fully relaxed. This 
> allows more pad distance while also allowing a "feel" like any caliper I've 
> used, with very good stopping power. Stock rotors; 160 mm?
>
> Very much better than the previous MTB BB7s with V brake levers in both 
> pad clearance and feel; stopping power about the same; same rotors.
>
> Note that the older version of these road BB7s were among the worst brakes 
> I've ever used, with the same levers and Jagwire housing.
>
> Note also that it is possible that I have a lower performance bar than 
> others may, but I have set up scores of brakes of every different sort over 
> almost 50 years of tinkering.
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Evan Baird  > wrote:
>
>> While I agree that drop bar hydraulics feel loads better than mechanicals 
>> in terms of modulation, I'm curious whether Jan knows of any mechanical 
>> brakes that pass muster. My experience has been that using compressionless 
>> housing makes a huge difference in terms of power, but I haven't ridden the 
>> Paul Klampers or the TRP Spyres long enough to form any opinion. I ask 
>> because I'm planning to try an Ultra Romance style non aero disc brake 
>> combo on my Ravn build, and you better believe I'm going to ride that thing 
>> on singletrack.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Garth]

I would only add that an Albatross type bar with a long top tube and long 
stem is different than bike with shorter TT . Plus mtb brake levers inhibit 
hand position variety, inverted ones do not. Also the curve on the 55 Alba 
is different than the original 56, I have both and on top of each other you 
can tell.  Most people choose it for upright riding but that depends on the 
frame, you can ride long and low with them but it takes a certain frame to 
do so.  Anyways, I take it the Solo is a short TT bike so of course such a 
bar would not be ideal for the extension you prefer.  The Albastache may 
work "better" but how much who knows.  

   What about road TT bars ?  Or those touring butterfly type bars , you 
could chop off any unwanted parts ?  The kind that extend out , look at all 
the types at SJS for example 
...https://www.sjscycles.co.uk/handlebars-other/?geoc=US




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> Thanks, Christopher. I (very briefly) tried M bars upside down, and they 
> just didn't work; notably, the brake (road style) levers just didn't fit 
> properly.
>
> I haven't had much luck with any "North Road"-type bar, either upright or 
> inverted. Upright I can never get my body comfortable; inverted, that is, 
> rather low and extended, they hurt my left palm. The M bar is the best 
> "sweep-back" bar I've used, and it is marginally acceptable.
>
> How did you like your Solo?
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Christopher Murray  > wrote:
>
>> How about inverting the mustache hbars? Might be worth a try.
>>
>> I have a pair of the no-longer-carried-by-Riv Nitto Dove bars that seem 
>> like they'd be great for the H' Solo (I had one just like it).
>>
>> Cheers!
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Patrick Moore]

Good points. I *think* that the effective or "virtual" top tube is not too
much shorter than the 56-57 that I like, but of course there is no stem
extension (tho' I've yet to install a new to me device that sits between
steerer mast clamp and bar, and provides another 7-8 cm of extension).

I've thought, if not of a trekking bar, of a narrow AT 2/3/4, but even with
these, and certainly with trekking bars, as far as I can tell, the
extension comes at the wide part of the bar; I like bars that are narrow in
the hoods or equivalent position.

I suppose I should just stop nattering about this and either try some drops
or just ride as is.

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 4:49 PM, Garth  wrote:

> I would only add that an Albatross type bar with a long top tube and long
> stem is different than bike with shorter TT . Plus mtb brake levers inhibit
> hand position variety, inverted ones do not. Also the curve on the 55 Alba
> is different than the original 56, I have both and on top of each other you
> can tell.  Most people choose it for upright riding but that depends on the
> frame, you can ride long and low with them but it takes a certain frame to
> do so.  Anyways, I take it the Solo is a short TT bike so of course such a
> bar would not be ideal for the extension you prefer.  The Albastache may
> work "better" but how much who knows.
>
>What about road TT bars ?  Or those touring butterfly type bars , you
> could chop off any unwanted parts ?  The kind that extend out , look at all
> the types at SJS for example ...https://www.sjscycles.co.
> uk/handlebars-other/?geoc=US
>
>
>
>
> On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 6:16:24 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> Thanks, Christopher. I (very briefly) tried M bars upside down, and they
>> just didn't work; notably, the brake (road style) levers just didn't fit
>> properly.
>>
>> I haven't had much luck with any "North Road"-type bar, either upright or
>> inverted. Upright I can never get my body comfortable; inverted, that is,
>> rather low and extended, they hurt my left palm. The M bar is the best
>> "sweep-back" bar I've used, and it is marginally acceptable.
>>
>> How did you like your Solo?
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Christopher Murray > > wrote:
>>
>>> How about inverting the mustache hbars? Might be worth a try.
>>>
>>> I have a pair of the no-longer-carried-by-Riv Nitto Dove bars that seem
>>> like they'd be great for the H' Solo (I had one just like it).
>>>
>>> Cheers!
>>> Chris
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Christopher Murray]

No worries. I only remember bc you are in Albu and a friend is a doctor at UNM. 

The trekking style bars could be an option (as suggested). I've always found 
them a little awkward with the higher part further away from you and the lower 
part closer. I always felt like I was steering a car more than riding a bike. 
That said, I used them on several 500+ multi-day, unsupported tours. I have a 
pair in the bin if you are interested-- I believe they are Nashbar.

Cheers!
Chris 

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[RBW] FS: Brooks B17 Imperial Flyer Saddle

[lum gim fong]

The B17 sprung saddle with the cutout!

Brand spankin' new and never mounted. Pristine.
120$ Paypal gets it to ya' anywhere in continental US.

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[RBW] Re: Exploding Tires

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I agree that it is highly unlikely pressure had anything to do with it. Rat 
Trap Max pressure is 55psi, and that is almost a 60mm tire. And most tires 
are built to withstand twice the pressure listed on the sidewalls. I have 
to pump the RTP to at least 60 just to get the bead to pop into place. (In 
fact if you had only pumped it to 30 or 40psi, it might not have blown off 
the rim---until you were out riding it.)
Though, yes, I would never ride it with that much air. Lots of good advice 
above on how to seat a tire. A final check that the bead line is even all 
the way around at about half pressure is a good failsafe before topping 
off. 
On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 3:53:12 PM UTC-5, Garth wrote:
>
>
> As for too much pressure ...personal opinions and experiences aside, by 
> Schwalbe's own standards he is in acceptable range. The tire still should 
> not blow off the rim unless not seated correctly even @ 60 psi.   
> https://www.schwalbetires.com/tech_info/inflation_pressure
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Joe Bernard]

Patrick, assuming your steering mast folds to the outside of the frame (I'm 
pretty sure yours does) you'll have the same fold, but the dropbar will create 
a wider folded package at the base. It'll be an issue with stuffing it into 
really cramped spaces, but if you mainly use the fold as a space saver in the 
house, it won't be a major difference. In that situation I sometimes leave the 
mast up anyway, and just fold the frame in half. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons

[Patrick Moore]

Question: I have been procrastinating on a project to remove the
interrupter levers (I expect I'll get a bit more precision in the brakes'
actuation with all the related junctions removed), but I want to do this
eventually. I have a Yokuzuna kit that can replace the Jagwire. Is the
Yokuzuna housing sufficiently better than Jagwire to make the swap
worthwhile, or should I save the Y for some other time or project?

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 3:59 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> My Road BB7s work -- stop and feel -- as well as any centerpull I've used,
> except that they don't modulate as well, using Jagwire housing and old 740n
> Dura Ace levers. There is a trick to setting them up that I learned on the
> web: attach the cable to the actuation arms when the latter have been moved
> through about 1/3 of their travel, not when they are fully relaxed. This
> allows more pad distance while also allowing a "feel" like any caliper I've
> used, with very good stopping power. Stock rotors; 160 mm?
>
> Very much better than the previous MTB BB7s with V brake levers in both
> pad clearance and feel; stopping power about the same; same rotors.
>
> Note that the older version of these road BB7s were among the worst brakes
> I've ever used, with the same levers and Jagwire housing.
>
> Note also that it is possible that I have a lower performance bar than
> others may, but I have set up scores of brakes of every different sort over
> almost 50 years of tinkering.
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 3:09 PM, Evan Baird  wrote:
>
>> While I agree that drop bar hydraulics feel loads better than mechanicals
>> in terms of modulation, I'm curious whether Jan knows of any mechanical
>> brakes that pass muster. My experience has been that using compressionless
>> housing makes a huge difference in terms of power, but I haven't ridden the
>> Paul Klampers or the TRP Spyres long enough to form any opinion. I ask
>> because I'm planning to try an Ultra Romance style non aero disc brake
>> combo on my Ravn build, and you better believe I'm going to ride that thing
>> on singletrack.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Albastache more comfortable than the original road Moustache?

[Christopher Murray]

I loved the look of the Solo and bought it on a whim for a good price. Never 
really rode it, moved it around the country with me before finally finding it a 
good home in NM ;).

Cheers!
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[RBW] Re: Best handlebar width on a 61 Atlantis?

[Ryan Fleming]

I'm a 5'7" -ish woman and I ride 46cm Nitto model 185...aka Dream bars on 
my riv road and I like the extra width. Even though I do not have 
particularly broad shoulders, I  feel like it opens up my chest...also 
seems to make the ride more stable especially in crosswinds

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 8:28:18 AM UTC-6, BenG wrote:
>
> Oh yes, go wide.
> My 60cm Sam just got noodled with 48cm in a dirt drop stem, and I went 
> from unsure to big fan on the first 2-hr ride. The wide one fits 
> interrupter levers with adequate hand room. I don't notice any "splayed" 
> sensation, whereas I feel cramped on my vintage bike's skinny bar.

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[RBW] Re: Exploding Tires

[Minh]

while the possibility exists that there was a QC problem with the tube, 
more likely it was a QC problem with the installer like others mentioned 
overinflation, pinched the tube, not seating the tire onto the rim.

minh--who has been guilty of poor QC with tire installation in the past 
resulting in a similiar blow-out (while riding the bike!), incidentally 
also with a schwalbe tire.  

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[RBW] Re: Exploding Tires

[Philip Kim]

my first reaction was two things:

1.) i agree with bill and peter that 60psi is high. i usually go no higher 
than 40 on compass rat traps (measure 50mm), and they need a bit more 
pressure because the sidewalls are supple
2.) for stiffer / tires with wirebead, i go lower pressure. i blew off the 
tube and sidewall of some 650bx42 pasela wirebeads, with 40psi front 
(generally what I inflate Hetres to). i'm a 155lb rider
3.) could also be changing pressure from changing temperature

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 9:10:24 AM UTC-5, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> So I inflated the 50mm Schwalbe Marathons on my Hunq to 60 psi (rear) and 
> 40 psi (front) last night and wheeled it into the kitchen in preparation 
> for what would have been my morning commute.  About twenty minutes later, 
> there was a deafening "bang" from the kitchen; I honestly thought a handgun 
> had gone off or something had detonated in the microwave, and my left ear 
> was ringing for a half hour afterward.  Long story short, the Schwalbe 
> inner tube on my rear tire had popped, shredded, and actually blew the tire 
> off the rim; anyone who uses Marathons knows how hard it is to get those 
> things on the rim in the first place, and it's sobering to think of how 
> much energy must have been released to unseat one.  Fortunately, aside from 
> screwing up my commute and throwing my dogs' digestive systems into 
> reverse, however, there was no other apparent damage.
> Anyone know generally what causes a tube to blow up like that?  It wasn't 
> over-inflated, probably only had fifty or sixty miles on it, was the 
> correct size for the tire, and generally should have lasted for several 
> hundred miles.  My son has had this problem with some Specialized tubes 
> recently, but the Schwalbe products are generally of a higher quality, but 
> now I'm wondering whether there's a QC issue at the factories in, I assume, 
> China.  
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> Kevin
>
>

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[RBW] Re: RIVEOPARDY

[Joe Bernard]

That was hard! I feel pretty good about most of my answers - it helps greatly 
to have been around from the beginning - but one completely stumped me. It was 
great fun. 

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[RBW] Re: Exploding Tires

[John Hawrylak]

Does anyone know the Max Recommended Pressure???   An old F Berto article 
stated tires are tested to 2xRec'd Preesure to stay seated on a nominal rim.

Inflating a 60psig tire in 20°F temperature and then bringing it inside to 
a 70°F room increases the pressure by 5 to 6 psig.   Not likely this was 
cause.

Pinching the tube makes the most snese.

John Hawrylak
Woodstown NJ

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[RBW] Re: RIVEOPARDY

[Wayne Naha]

Joe,  I did try to answer every question.  The were some I did not know the 
answer to, so I made something up.  I wrote the title of the category, and 
listed my answers in the same order as the questions (clues).  I hope that 
is sufficient for the contest.  I did not rewrite everything.  In the 
actual game of "Jeopardy!" an answer to a question is given, and players 
must guess at the question which would be answered by the clue.  Thus, all 
the 'answers' for this game must be phrased in the form of a question.  For 
instance, if the clue is "The founder of Rivendell Bicycle Works," the 
answer is: "Who is Grant Petersen?"  It takes some getting used to.

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> Did you answer every question? I'm not entirely clear how this works, I 
> don't watch Jeopardy. 

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[RBW] FS: Joe App 55cm Butternut New In Box!

[Christopher Murray]

The Joe has a new home. Thanks for all the interest!!

Cheers!
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[RBW] Re: FS: Carradice Pendle bag

[lum gim fong]

I took some quickie pics. See here: 

https://www.flickr.com/gp/70237737@N00/232Z09

I used the bag for about a year?

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[RBW] Re: What is the most interesting thing in you parts bin?

[Wayne Naha]

That frame is a thing of beauty!  I am hunqapillar green with envy!

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 7:42:04 PM UTC-5, Christopher Murray wrote:
>
> It's -20 with about 4 feet of snow here so I did a little parts bin 
> organizing. Made me wonder what interesting things people have stashed 
> away. Mine is a new in the box, never built up, hunqapillar green with 
> cream details, 56cm Quickbeam. One day I'll get around to building it up.  
>
> What do you got? Bonus point for pictures. 
>
> Cheers!
> Chris
>
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[RBW] Re: FS: Brooks B17 Imperial Flyer Saddle

[lum gim fong]

Paypal


pm me if you want it 

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[RBW] Re: Best handlebar width on a 61 Atlantis?

[John A. Bennett]

The last drops I had on my Atlantis were 48s. Great bars. I swapped them 
out for Albatross bars a few years ago. 

Now, I'm thinking Boscos. My Saluki is set up with those, and they're the 
best. 

John in Portland





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>
> Hi,
>
> Building up an Atlantis, and I'm putting Noodles on it. Should I go wider 
> than 44 cm? I'll mostly be using it on roads.
>
> Thanks!
> John
>
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[RBW] Re: Exploding Tires

[Deacon Patrick]

When installing the tube, do you slightly inflate the tube, which makes 
tucking it between tire and rim without getting pinched much easier? If so, 
and you know you check it before calling it done, then follow Conway's 
advice. If not, try it with future installs, and see if that fixes the 
issue.

"...throwing my dogs' digestive systems into reverse..." -- brilliant line!

With abandon,
Patrick

On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 7:10:24 AM UTC-7, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
>
> So I inflated the 50mm Schwalbe Marathons on my Hunq to 60 psi (rear) and 
> 40 psi (front) last night and wheeled it into the kitchen in preparation 
> for what would have been my morning commute.  About twenty minutes later, 
> there was a deafening "bang" from the kitchen; I honestly thought a handgun 
> had gone off or something had detonated in the microwave, and my left ear 
> was ringing for a half hour afterward.  Long story short, the Schwalbe 
> inner tube on my rear tire had popped, shredded, and actually blew the tire 
> off the rim; anyone who uses Marathons knows how hard it is to get those 
> things on the rim in the first place, and it's sobering to think of how 
> much energy must have been released to unseat one.  Fortunately, aside from 
> screwing up my commute and throwing my dogs' digestive systems into 
> reverse, however, there was no other apparent damage.
> Anyone know generally what causes a tube to blow up like that?  It wasn't 
> over-inflated, probably only had fifty or sixty miles on it, was the 
> correct size for the tire, and generally should have lasted for several 
> hundred miles.  My son has had this problem with some Specialized tubes 
> recently, but the Schwalbe products are generally of a higher quality, but 
> now I'm wondering whether there's a QC issue at the factories in, I assume, 
> China.  
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> Kevin
>
>

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[RBW] Exploding Tires

[Kevin Lindsey]

So I inflated the 50mm Schwalbe Marathons on my Hunq to 60 psi (rear) and 
40 psi (front) last night and wheeled it into the kitchen in preparation 
for what would have been my morning commute.  About twenty minutes later, 
there was a deafening "bang" from the kitchen; I honestly thought a handgun 
had gone off or something had detonated in the microwave, and my left ear 
was ringing for a half hour afterward.  Long story short, the Schwalbe 
inner tube on my rear tire had popped, shredded, and actually blew the tire 
off the rim; anyone who uses Marathons knows how hard it is to get those 
things on the rim in the first place, and it's sobering to think of how 
much energy must have been released to unseat one.  Fortunately, aside from 
screwing up my commute and throwing my dogs' digestive systems into 
reverse, however, there was no other apparent damage.
Anyone know generally what causes a tube to blow up like that?  It wasn't 
over-inflated, probably only had fifty or sixty miles on it, was the 
correct size for the tire, and generally should have lasted for several 
hundred miles.  My son has had this problem with some Specialized tubes 
recently, but the Schwalbe products are generally of a higher quality, but 
now I'm wondering whether there's a QC issue at the factories in, I assume, 
China.  
Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Kevin

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[RBW] Exploding Tires

[Conway Bennett]

This past year I had the exact same issue twice with schwalbe tubes and never 
with another brand.  I swap tires multiple times throughout the year so I know 
what's what.  Email their customer service, they'll tell you it was pinched and 
begrudgingly replace it.   

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[RBW] Best handlebar width on a 61 Atlantis?

[BenG]

Oh yes, go wide.
My 60cm Sam just got noodled with 48cm in a dirt drop stem, and I went from 
unsure to big fan on the first 2-hr ride. The wide one fits interrupter levers 
with adequate hand room. I don't notice any "splayed" sensation, whereas I feel 
cramped on my vintage bike's skinny bar.

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Re: [RBW] Exploding Tires

[Steve Palincsar]

On 01/13/2017 09:10 AM, Kevin Lindsey wrote:
So I inflated the 50mm Schwalbe Marathons on my Hunq to 60 psi (rear) 
and 40 psi (front) last night and wheeled it into the kitchen in 
preparation for what would have been my morning commute.  About twenty 
minutes later, there was a deafening "bang" from the kitchen; I 
honestly thought a handgun had gone off or something had detonated in 
the microwave, and my left ear was ringing for a half hour afterward.  
Long story short, the Schwalbe inner tube on my rear tire had popped, 
shredded, and actually blew the tire off the rim; anyone who uses 
Marathons knows how hard it is to get those things on the rim in the 
first place, and it's sobering to think of how much energy must have 
been released to unseat one.  Fortunately, aside from screwing up my 
commute and throwing my dogs' digestive systems into reverse, however, 
there was no other apparent damage.


I think you've got the sequence of events backwards.  Usually the way 
this happens is a fold of tube is caught under the bead of the tire.  
Air pressure gradually wedges the bead entirely off the rim, exposing 
the tube; at that point the tube explodes.



Anyone know generally what causes a tube to blow up like that?  It 
wasn't over-inflated, probably only had fifty or sixty miles on it, 
was the correct size for the tire, and generally should have lasted 
for several hundred miles.  My son has had this problem with some 
Specialized tubes recently, but the Schwalbe products are generally of 
a higher quality, but now I'm wondering whether there's a QC issue at 
the factories in, I assume, China.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.


This has nothing at all to do with the quality of the tube -- other than 
perhaps its size -- and everything to do with the installation.  It is a 
fact, however, that a large tube is more difficult to completely stuff 
into the tire, and a tube that's actually too large for the tire is 
extremely difficult to install without getting caught under the bead.  
It helps if you put some air in the tube to make it round before you 
seat the tire.


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Re: [RBW] Exploding Tires

[Bill Lindsay]

Steve is correct. There is no tube flaw or tube property that makes it more or 
less likely to blow a tire off the rim. It is completely the job of the tire to 
hold the tube in. Think about tubeless. The only job for the tube is to be 
airtight. Blowing the tire off the rim means one of three things

1. Over inflation. In my opinion 69psi is insanely high for a 50mm wide tire.  
I'd think 30 would be about the highest I'd go at that width.  Did you go to 60 
in the cold garage because that's the max and then carry it to your warm house? 
 Do you trust your gauge. My floorpump gauge understates pressure by about 20 
psi.  If I used my floorpump to pump a tire to 60 on its gauge and then took it 
inside, in about 30 minutes it would really be 90psi. 
2. The rim/tire interface failed because of some flaw. I've seen the rim tape 
shifted up into the rim hook. I've seen mold errors where the tire bead is 
flattened. An undersized rim or oversized tire would also contribute ( but not 
in this case)
3.  Installation flaws. 

Bill Lindsay
El Cerrito CA

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Re: [RBW] Exploding Tires

[Bruce Baker]

My guess is that the tire was pinchedprobably better that it happened
in the kitchen than on your commute!!

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 9:10 AM, Kevin Lindsey 
wrote:

> So I inflated the 50mm Schwalbe Marathons on my Hunq to 60 psi (rear) and
> 40 psi (front) last night and wheeled it into the kitchen in preparation
> for what would have been my morning commute.  About twenty minutes later,
> there was a deafening "bang" from the kitchen; I honestly thought a handgun
> had gone off or something had detonated in the microwave, and my left ear
> was ringing for a half hour afterward.  Long story short, the Schwalbe
> inner tube on my rear tire had popped, shredded, and actually blew the tire
> off the rim; anyone who uses Marathons knows how hard it is to get those
> things on the rim in the first place, and it's sobering to think of how
> much energy must have been released to unseat one.  Fortunately, aside from
> screwing up my commute and throwing my dogs' digestive systems into
> reverse, however, there was no other apparent damage.
> Anyone know generally what causes a tube to blow up like that?  It wasn't
> over-inflated, probably only had fifty or sixty miles on it, was the
> correct size for the tire, and generally should have lasted for several
> hundred miles.  My son has had this problem with some Specialized tubes
> recently, but the Schwalbe products are generally of a higher quality, but
> now I'm wondering whether there's a QC issue at the factories in, I assume,
> China.
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> Kevin
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[RBW] Exploding Tires

[Mattt]

My first thought is the tube was pinched between to the tire and rim.

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[RBW] Re: What is the most interesting thing in you parts bin?

[Christopher Murray]

here it is. 

Cheers!
Chris

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[RBW] Re: FS: Carradice Pendle bag

[lum gim fong]

sale pending 

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[RBW] Re: Disc Brake Pros and Cons

[Evan Baird]

Now that I think about it isn't this discussion a little OT for Riv? I 
remember somebody was threatening to put disc tabs on an Atlantis at one 
point, but i don't think I've actually seen it done. Am I wrong? If post 
post the link cuz now I'm curious.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Spyshots of my custom mixte - happy days

[Les Lammers]

Interesting. What size is your frame? I'm still not sure about the stem 
size on my Chevoit or if the Choco norm bars will stay. Handlebar choice 
can be a slippery slope.

On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 2:58:54 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>
> They do look like neat bars and I was willing to try something a bit 
> different
>
> I had originally ordered a 9cm Tallux stem but after mostly building up 
> the bike ,*Mark (and Grant and Will agreed) that the 9cm stem with the 
> flipped Chocos which extend back way more than moustaches I usually ride 
> with  gave the bike a twitchiness which was not ideal...too far behind the 
> steering axis .* I didn't know what to pick for a stem extension, really 
> , so I just went with what I normally use with moustache and road bars. All 
> ended well ; Mark chopped 14mm off the ends of the bars and swapped the 9cm 
> stem for a 13cm,  so all is well. Must be challenging , though, dealing 
> with a non-local customer, though...there's a lot of back-and-forth 
> especially for a complete build. But they do an awesome job and they bend 
> over backwards to get everything just right, so I applaud them for that.
>
> Pretty much all that's missing from what I've seen so far  is the saddle 
> and seatpost - B-17 Select and S-83 Nitto seatpost and some of those MKS 
> touring pedals
>
>
>
> On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 6:49:51 AM UTC-6, Les Lammers wrote:
>>
>> Looks might fine Ryan! The Choco norm bars are quite nice. These look 
>> interesting too. 
>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/pneubar-pname
>>
>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 4:19:20 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>>
>>> It is a beautiful colour...just as I envsioned and it'll look neat in 
>>> sunlight too. It's a metallic burgundy ---from Joe Bell's chart of colours
>>>
>>> And since I don't possess the mechanical /artistic skills   that you , 
>>>  Bill or   my partner has, I am glad that Mark at Riv is building the bike 
>>> and installing the fenders and I asked for Rich-built wheels.I took some 
>>> help from Grant and Mark for some of the parts picks*...Grant persuaded 
>>> me to try his Choco bars* and Mark recommended WI hubs because I 
>>> thought the Phil rear cassette hub price was a bit more spendy. But I like 
>>> picking parts and I pretty much picked stuff I know and love; Chris King 
>>> headset, Phil Wood BB , Brooks B-17 Select , getting cream SKS fenders, 
>>> Nitto for bars,stem, seatpost, Sugino for cranks...etc. I have a few nice 
>>> bikes but no place really to work on themI rent...have half a garage 
>>> but wouldn't feel comfortable leaving tools and super-expensive bike stuff 
>>> locked up in the garage.
>>>
>>>
>>> Anywaylooking forward to riding it come spring
>>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 2:59:38 PM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:

 OMG.  THAT IS A GORGEOUS COLOR, GORGEOUS BIKE. 

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:46 AM, Shoji Takahashi  
 wrote:

 wow! Happy New Year, Ryan. 
 Tailwinds, shoji



 On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 11:36:11 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote: 
>
> Mark at Rivendell was kind enough to shoot a few pics of my custom in 
> progress. Inside shots but the color looks  like it turned out as I hoped 
>
> Hopefully you can view these. 
>
> Happy new year , everyone !
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[RBW] Re: Has anyone used this bell?

[islaysteve]

Thanks for the response, Paul.  I do intend to get one, eventually.  As you 
say, it's a steep price for a bell, but a bell is increasingly important 
for the riding that I do.  I like the mounting flexibility that the 
Spurcycle seems to have, I need to able to reach the bell.  As for 
packaging, I was just thinking about that yesterday regarding Apple.  We 
just got iPhones.  Apple's packaging sort of makes you feel the way you 
described.  Marketing genius, I guess.  I remember that one of our earlier 
home computers came in a huge box that looked like a cow!  Cheers, 
Steve


On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 8:33:42 PM UTC-5, Bikie#4646 wrote:
>
> Steve, I'm down near Richmond, but can attest to the worthiness of the 
> Spurcycle bell. I was a part of the original Kickstarter campaign. After 
> that, I purchased two more (at considerably higher prices)! Very elegant, 
> minimalist and a nice piercing sound that gets attention. These guys did a 
> great job of design, down to the wonderful packaging. With each I received, 
> I felt like I was unwrapping a Faberge' egg! What sold me over anything 
> else was the ingenious way it attaches without screws, nuts, etc. Most of 
> that portion is hidden away inside the bell, with only the slender (maybe 
> 5mm) stainless strap showing. Clean! Treat yourself!
> Paul Germain
> Midlothian, Va.
>
> On Thursday, January 12, 2017 at 7:02:01 AM UTC-5, islaysteve wrote:
>>
>> Does anyone know of a shop in the DC/MVA area that sells Spurcycle bells, 
>> and actually has some on display?
>> Thanks.
>
>

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[RBW] Best handlebar width on a 61 Atlantis?

['Mojo' via RBW Owners Bunch]

John, I ride Noodles and 61/62cm frames too. I have 44cm Noodles on 4 bikes but 
46 on my Surly LHT, a poor man's Atlantis. For years I have thought of pulling 
the 46s and trading here for some 44s. But lately the 46s have been feeling 
rather pleasant. I'm not sure why. The LHT has a custom fork making the bike 
low trail. Jan Heine has suggested that low trail bikes are handled better with 
more narrow bars. But for whatever reason I have settled into the 46s. The 44s 
on my go-faster bikes feel more sleek or streamlined. Perhaps for me, at 60yrs 
old 6ft 185lbs, the difference is minutiae.

Joe in GJT

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[RBW] Best handlebar width on a 61 Atlantis?

[John G.]

Hi,

Building up an Atlantis, and I'm putting Noodles on it. Should I go wider than 
44 cm? I'll mostly be using it on roads.

Thanks!
John

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Re: [RBW] Exploding Tires

[Ron Mc]

I hate when that happens

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Re: [RBW] Exploding Tires

[Steve Palincsar]

I had it happen to me one time while I was driving in a small hatchback 
with the bike inside.  The back tire couldn't have been more than a foot 
from me, just behind my head.  Sounded like a gunshot inside the car, 
and louder than you could possibly imagine.  "Startled" doesn't begin to 
describe it.



On 01/13/2017 10:15 AM, Ron Mc wrote:

I hate when that happens



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Re: [RBW] Re: Spyshots of my custom mixte - happy days

[Ryan Fleming]

Hi Les

Same size as the holiday mixte55cm


On Friday, January 13, 2017 at 4:31:13 AM UTC-6, Les Lammers wrote:
>
> Interesting. What size is your frame? I'm still not sure about the stem 
> size on my Chevoit or if the Choco norm bars will stay. Handlebar choice 
> can be a slippery slope.
>
> On Tuesday, January 10, 2017 at 2:58:54 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:
>>
>> They do look like neat bars and I was willing to try something a bit 
>> different
>>
>> I had originally ordered a 9cm Tallux stem but after mostly building up 
>> the bike ,*Mark (and Grant and Will agreed) that the 9cm stem with the 
>> flipped Chocos which extend back way more than moustaches I usually ride 
>> with  gave the bike a twitchiness which was not ideal...too far behind the 
>> steering axis .* I didn't know what to pick for a stem extension, really 
>> , so I just went with what I normally use with moustache and road bars. All 
>> ended well ; Mark chopped 14mm off the ends of the bars and swapped the 9cm 
>> stem for a 13cm,  so all is well. Must be challenging , though, dealing 
>> with a non-local customer, though...there's a lot of back-and-forth 
>> especially for a complete build. But they do an awesome job and they bend 
>> over backwards to get everything just right, so I applaud them for that.
>>
>> Pretty much all that's missing from what I've seen so far  is the saddle 
>> and seatpost - B-17 Select and S-83 Nitto seatpost and some of those MKS 
>> touring pedals
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sunday, January 8, 2017 at 6:49:51 AM UTC-6, Les Lammers wrote:
>>>
>>> Looks might fine Ryan! The Choco norm bars are quite nice. These look 
>>> interesting too. 
>>> https://www.rivbike.com/blogs/peeking-through-the-knothole/pneubar-pname
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 4:19:20 PM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming wrote:

 It is a beautiful colour...just as I envsioned and it'll look neat in 
 sunlight too. It's a metallic burgundy ---from Joe Bell's chart of colours

 And since I don't possess the mechanical /artistic skills   that you , 
  Bill or   my partner has, I am glad that Mark at Riv is building the bike 
 and installing the fenders and I asked for Rich-built wheels.I took some 
 help from Grant and Mark for some of the parts picks*...Grant 
 persuaded me to try his Choco bars* and Mark recommended WI hubs 
 because I thought the Phil rear cassette hub price was a bit more spendy. 
 But I like picking parts and I pretty much picked stuff I know and love; 
 Chris King headset, Phil Wood BB , Brooks B-17 Select , getting cream SKS 
 fenders, Nitto for bars,stem, seatpost, Sugino for cranks...etc. I have a 
 few nice bikes but no place really to work on themI rent...have half a 
 garage but wouldn't feel comfortable leaving tools and super-expensive 
 bike 
 stuff locked up in the garage.


 Anywaylooking forward to riding it come spring
 On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 2:59:38 PM UTC-6, Pudge wrote:
>
> OMG.  THAT IS A GORGEOUS COLOR, GORGEOUS BIKE. 
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jan 4, 2017, at 11:46 AM, Shoji Takahashi  
> wrote:
>
> wow! Happy New Year, Ryan. 
> Tailwinds, shoji
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, January 4, 2017 at 11:36:11 AM UTC-5, Ryan Fleming 
> wrote: 
>>
>> Mark at Rivendell was kind enough to shoot a few pics of my custom in 
>> progress. Inside shots but the color looks  like it turned out as I 
>> hoped 
>>
>> Hopefully you can view these. 
>>
>> Happy new year , everyone !
>>
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Re: [RBW] Exploding Tires

[Peter White]

It's not the fault of the tube. It's excessive tire pressure. 60psi for a
50mm tire is way too high. I would not use more than 40psi. At 175lbs, I'd
run them at about 35psi on paved roads, and 30 psi on dirt.


On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 9:10 AM, Kevin Lindsey 
wrote:

> So I inflated the 50mm Schwalbe Marathons on my Hunq to 60 psi (rear) and
> 40 psi (front) last night and wheeled it into the kitchen in preparation
> for what would have been my morning commute.  About twenty minutes later,
> there was a deafening "bang" from the kitchen; I honestly thought a handgun
> had gone off or something had detonated in the microwave, and my left ear
> was ringing for a half hour afterward.  Long story short, the Schwalbe
> inner tube on my rear tire had popped, shredded, and actually blew the tire
> off the rim; anyone who uses Marathons knows how hard it is to get those
> things on the rim in the first place, and it's sobering to think of how
> much energy must have been released to unseat one.  Fortunately, aside from
> screwing up my commute and throwing my dogs' digestive systems into
> reverse, however, there was no other apparent damage.
> Anyone know generally what causes a tube to blow up like that?  It wasn't
> over-inflated, probably only had fifty or sixty miles on it, was the
> correct size for the tire, and generally should have lasted for several
> hundred miles.  My son has had this problem with some Specialized tubes
> recently, but the Schwalbe products are generally of a higher quality, but
> now I'm wondering whether there's a QC issue at the factories in, I assume,
> China.
> Any thoughts would be appreciated.
> Kevin
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