[Repeater-Builder] mixing problem?

2005-06-10 Thread Ray Retzlaff
I just re-built a ge mastr II mobile for use as a repeater on 147.030+ and 
everything went great here on the bench.  when we installed the machine at 
its new home at a residence on a hilltop we emediatly started having 
problems with noise on the input freq. it only apears when the repeater is 
in TX and it appears right on the input 147.630. I have ruled out desense 
because you can hear the noise on a HT (on 147.630)  but only when the 
repeater is transmitting. I think this might be a mix of some sort but i 
have no clue what to look for. can anyone help point me in the right 
direction?
73
Ray
K6PNG 





 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] mixing problem?

2005-06-10 Thread Steve Bosshard \(NU5D\)
Does the noise go away when transmitting into a dummy load?

Second, can you unhook the receiver from the duplexer and use a clip lead
for a receive antenna for a test and see if the signal is still present?

GL,

Steve

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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] mixing problem?

I just re-built a ge mastr II mobile for use as a repeater on 147.030+ and 
everything went great here on the bench.  when we installed the machine at 
its new home at a residence on a hilltop we emediatly started having 
problems with noise on the input freq. it only apears when the repeater is 
in TX and it appears right on the input 147.630. I have ruled out desense 
 







 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] mixing problem?

2005-06-10 Thread Ray Retzlaff

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From: Steve Bosshard (NU5D) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:38 PM
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] mixing problem?


 Does the noise go away when transmitting into a dummy load?

Yes
 
 Second, can you unhook the receiver from the duplexer and use a clip lead
 for a receive antenna for a test and see if the signal is still present?

Yes it is still present when i used a short piece of wire as the antenna.

 
 GL,
 
 Steve





 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] mixing problem?

2005-06-10 Thread Mike Morris WA6ILQ
At 11:38 PM 6/9/05, you wrote:

Does the noise go away when transmitting into a dummy load?

Second, can you unhook the receiver from the duplexer and use a clip lead
for a receive antenna for a test and see if the signal is still present?

GL,

Steve

And while you are at the site collect the TX frequencies of
everything else in the building...

Then sit down with one of the mix and intermod calculators listed
at http://www.repeater-builder.com/rbtip/ant-sys-index.html and
click on Calculators in the jump  table at the top.

Mike 





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] mixing problem?

2005-06-10 Thread Ray Retzlaff
 And while you are at the site collect the TX frequencies of
 everything else in the building...

there are no other transmitters at the site. infact it is a house that 
happens to have a good location.

73
Ray
K6PNG





 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] mixing problem?

2005-06-10 Thread Steve Bosshard \(NU5D\)
Well lets see, is the interfering noise present every time you key the
transmitter, or sometime yes, and some times no?  Reason for this question
being most LMR stuff that may be mixing is on and off, broadcast is usually
steady on.  Also is there any intelligible information in the offending
signal, like faint voice, etc?

Also, how far are you from any other radio stations, LMR, Broadcast, etc?

Sorry to sound like a trial lawyer grilling a witness, but just trying to
put the pieces together.

Hopefully you have a new antenna installation and new or known to be good
cable, etc.  Tell me a little about the site, cable lengths, type of cable,
antenna, tower, etc.

Steve
 

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Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] mixing problem?


 Does the noise go away when transmitting into a dummy load?

Yes
 
 Second, can you unhook the receiver from the duplexer and use a clip lead
 for a receive antenna for a test and see if the signal is still present?

Yes it is still present when i used a short piece of wire as the antenna.
 







 
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[Repeater-Builder] New antennas

2005-06-10 Thread J Hughes
We are replacing the antenna on the tower for are UHF and VHF repeaters 
with a Celwave 455 Super Station Master  10 db 440-450 and a DB 224-E . 
Is there anything we should do to the antenna before they are installed ?
We are also putting up a  Telewave ANT220D6-9 for 220





 
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[Repeater-Builder] Looking for Used MSR2000 Channell Element

2005-06-10 Thread gervais fillion
Well
before ordering my set of crystal for my Motorola Msr 2000 Vhf Repeater i 
thaught 1 minute,,,maybe on the repeater-builders i could find used one???

are they some ham here that would have used c.element ???
some used repeater that were dismantle and spare parts are store in the 
shack!!!
i would check for the frequency and the coordination locally
i need for low split frequencies

so just send me an email direct ,[EMAIL PROTECTED]

thanks for the  helping crystals   :-)

Gervais,ve2ckn









 
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[Repeater-Builder] tk370

2005-06-10 Thread digiteyes403
DOES THE TK370 COVER THE 70CM HAM BAND.

ANY INFO WOULD BE HELPFUL.

JACK
VK2TRF








 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] tk370

2005-06-10 Thread Buley, Kenneth L \(GE Consumer Industrial\)
440-470 MHz

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DOES THE TK370 COVER THE 70CM HAM BAND.

ANY INFO WOULD BE HELPFUL.

JACK
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Looking for Used MSR2000 Channell Element

2005-06-10 Thread Steve Bosshard \(NU5D\)
Pretty sure the MSR uses the same elements as the Mitrek mobile radio.

Ssb


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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Looking for Used MSR2000 Channel Element

2005-06-10 Thread Mike Morris
Go to http://www.repeater-builder.com/rbtip/mitrek-index.html and
click on the Channel Elements page  you will find that the Mitrek
mobile and the MSR use the same elements.

Mike WA6ILQ


At 08:23 PM 6/9/05, you wrote:

Well
before ordering my set of crystal for my Motorola Msr 2000 Vhf Repeater i
thaught 1 minute,,,maybe on the repeater-builders i could find used one???

are they some ham here that would have used c.element ???
some used repeater that were dismantle and spare parts are store in the
shack!!!
i would check for the frequency and the coordination locally
i need for low split frequencies

so just send me an email direct ,[EMAIL PROTECTED]

thanks for the  helping crystals   :-)

Gervais,ve2ckn










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[Repeater-Builder] GE Rangr

2005-06-10 Thread Steve Bainbridge
Hi

Iam after a control unit socket that fits
 the plug on the GE Rangr. I know some people
solder direct to the pins on the set, but don't
want to do this, dosn't look very good. Iam in
the UK

73

Steve  M1SWB






 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] GM300

2005-06-10 Thread Alan Bradley Jones





Yes I am looking for the Service Manual Those darn spell 
checkers.
You will not survive without the service 
manual.

  
  I need help in finding a PDF of 
the Motorola GM300 survive Manual. UHF versionThanks in advanceAlan 
B. JonesEmail [EMAIL PROTECTED]Ham 
Radio N0QPM













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[Repeater-Builder] Re: TKR-850 PL on COS (wink work around)

2005-06-10 Thread skipp025
One work around is to quickly wink the ptt line. I 
had to do this with early Link RLC-6 (and the even 
earlier rlc 5 or plain Link made SCom 5k link board 
from 73 magazine) boards to keep away from the 
time out timer. 

I'll ask if they can even address the issue... might 
require a major change in the software structure, which 
I honestly wouldn't expect them to do for this type 
of option/requirement.  But what they heck... I'll 
ask.  

skipp 

ps: you might throw out what ideas you might use as 
a possible work around 


 Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi Skipp
 Oh, I can think of a few workarounds myself. As a 
 matter of fact, I have used one of 'em repeatedly. 
 
 It will be interesting to see what the PTB have 
 to say about the proposed change.
 
 Danke
 
 Ken
 
 






 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] mixing problem?

2005-06-10 Thread Kevin Custer
Ray Retzlaff wrote:

I just re-built a ge mastr II mobile for use as a repeater on 147.030+ and 
everything went great here on the bench.  when we installed the machine at 
its new home at a residence on a hilltop we emediatly started having 
problems with noise on the input freq. it only apears when the repeater is 
in TX and it appears right on the input 147.630. I have ruled out desense 
because you can hear the noise on a HT (on 147.630)  but only when the 
repeater is transmitting. I think this might be a mix of some sort but i 
have no clue what to look for. can anyone help point me in the right 
direction?


Do you have a signal you can hear on 148.230 or thereabouts?

Kevin Custer




 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: TPL Amplifier

2005-06-10 Thread Maire-Radios
all the time or only when in TX mode?


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Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: TPL Amplifier


 The amp. requires about 1.4 watts to drive, the control wire can be hooked
 to a variable supply, between 5 and 12 volts to adjust the power output.
 lance N2HBA
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 Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 11:16 PM
 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: TPL Amplifier


 has anyone out there got a Micor repeater PA UHF 75 watt,  installed with
 a
 non Motorola repeater?  if so what do you do with the yellow control 
 wire?
 I know you can not have more that 2 watts in.  Do you know what the 
 lowest
 power it takes to drive the amplifier?

 thanks  John


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 Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 9:40 PM
 Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: TPL Amplifier


 John,

 Without knowing the model number, it's difficult to answer the
 question.  I have a TPL amplifier PA6-1AE-RXRF, which takes 5 watts in
 and gives 100 watts out.  It does not have any fuses in it, but it does
 have a resettable circuit breaker rated at 25 amperes on the DC input.

 Some of the TPL manuals are available on the Repeater-Builder tech info
 pages.

 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

 John wrote:
 I have  a TPL amplifier  repeater grade rack mount.  UHF  5 watts in
 100 watts out.   Had the ASTRON  power supply lock up the other day and
 put out 15 volts.   Did not hurt the Kenwood TKR 840 repeater but now
 the amp is dead other than the power led. Does any one know if there are
 any fuses in the amplifier?  I need to move 2 to 3 Micors to get to this
 repeater, so that is why I am asking before I do the move. thanks  John







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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Fw: TPL Amplifier

2005-06-10 Thread Maire-Radios
well went to the tower and found no fuses  and a circuit breaker switch on 
it.  but it did not save  the amp.  no output at all and all transistors are 
cold.  for your info it is a model  pa6-1ae-rxrf  1 to 4 input and 70 to 100 
output  450 to 470.  and just it had 13.3 volts  power going into the amp




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 There is a fuse on it. I don't have the book handy and can't remember
 the exact size.
 Johnny

 Maire-Radios wrote:


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 To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
 Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 8:31 PM
 Subject: TPL Amplifier

 I have  a TPL amplifier  repeater grade rack mount.

 UHF  5 watts in  100 watts.   Had the ASTRON  power supply lock up the
 other day and put out 15 volts +   did not hurt the Kenwood TKR 840
 repeater but now the amp is dead other that the power led.

 Does any one know if there are any fuses in the amplifier?  I need to
 more 2 to 3 Micors to get to this repeater so that is why I am asking
 before I do the move.

 thanks  John








 
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[Repeater-Builder] Johnson LPI System

2005-06-10 Thread Bill Cole
Greetings;

Looking for the Programming Interface Cables/software/adapter for a Johnson LPI
Repeater 242-3450-105.  Any tip would be appreciated.

Regards;

Bill Cole
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Jumpers for a Sinclair Q-202G Duplexer

2005-06-10 Thread Bob Dengler
Ideally the length would be measured from the reference plane of each 
connector.  For a male N connector, I believe that would in fact be the tip 
of the connector.

Bob NO6B

At 6/9/2005 10:10 PM, you wrote:
I've always understood it to be connector tip to connector tip.

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  I've always wondered about this, especially at VHF/UHF, how exactly
  you interpret when someone says you need an 11 cable, or a 1/4 wave
  cable, do you measure from the tips of the connectors, or where?







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[Repeater-Builder] Looking for MRS-2000 module change blurb (orange sheet) info

2005-06-10 Thread skipp025
Looking for MRS-2000 module change blurb 
(orange sheet) info: 

Motorola put out a typical manual orange sheet 
(manual update) for the MSR-2000 that describes 
combinations of certain specific numbered cards
or modules, which must be used in the listed 
combos without causing damage.  I believe the 
related modules are probably the R1-Audio, the 
Station Control Module and possibly a few others.  

If you used the wrong combination/revision of 
certain cards/modules... damage will occur (ie 
smoke test). 

If any of you still have the mentioned orange sheet 
revision sheets for your MSR-2000 Control Station 
(orange cover manaul) please look to see if you spot 
the mentioned update notice and contact me if you do.  

I could really use those good/bad module combination 
numbers again.  My copy has gone poof from the file 
cabinet. 

thanks
skipp 

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[Repeater-Builder] although they do have a particular model that is a dog

2005-06-10 Thread k9jac1
Whitch one is the dog ??
We are replacing the antenna on the tower for are UHF , VHF and 220
repeaters
with a Celwave 455 Super Station Master 10 db 440-450 and a DB 224-E .
Is there anything we should do to the antenna before they are
installed ?
  We are also putting up a Telewave ANT220D6-9 for 220
Whitch one is the Dog ???

Message: 14
   Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 19:57:28 -0400
   From: Chuck Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Telewave Products

Their folded dipole antenna design is borrowed from Sinclair Radio
Laboratories. Sinclair has some nice antennas (although they do have a
particular model that is a dog).

Chuck
WB2EDV



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  Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Telewave Products


  I'ved used 1 ANT150F6 and 5 ANT450F6 antennas on high (altitude) and
low repeaters.  Bought my last one in 1999  Work good, last long time,
 dont corrode, explode or  rode.   

  Telewave is ham friendly!   Just bought a couple of 450
duplexer/isolator combinations.  (:)

  W6TOZ, 146.90, 443.55, 443.675,443.775 all /r
  Seattle WA 
   
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  Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Telewave Products


  Hi again!

  Oh boy, 2 questions for the group in 2 days for me!

  Does anyone have any experience with Telewave Antennas, like their 4
or 8 pole on 2 meters?  They seem to be priced right up there with DB.

  I love the 44 Wattmeter, but I've never played with the antennas.

  Thanks, Brian, WD9HSY















 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] although they do have a particular model that is a dog

2005-06-10 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Since you're not putting up and Sinclair antennas, it doesn't matter.

However, as I listed in a previous post:

The SRL-222 and SRL-224 should be avoided. These are a folded dipole design, 
but they are problematic. I don't understand why they (Sinclair) continue 
these models when they have other similar models that work well.


Chuck
WB2EDV



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Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 1:43 PM
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] although they do have a particular model that is 
a dog


 Whitch one is the dog ??
 We are replacing the antenna on the tower for are UHF , VHF and 220
 repeaters
 with a Celwave 455 Super Station Master 10 db 440-450 and a DB 224-E .
 Is there anything we should do to the antenna before they are
 installed ?
  We are also putting up a Telewave ANT220D6-9 for 220
 Whitch one is the Dog ???

 Message: 14
   Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 19:57:28 -0400
   From: Chuck Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: Telewave Products

 Their folded dipole antenna design is borrowed from Sinclair Radio
 Laboratories. Sinclair has some nice antennas (although they do have a
 particular model that is a dog).

 Chuck
 WB2EDV
 





 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Looking for Used MSR2000 Channell Element

2005-06-10 Thread gervais fillion
hi steeve
i am looking for complete channel element with the crystals
like used one from a shop that would replace them for an other frequency

i am checking this week end
i would not find any i will make an order at West Crystalls

73/s and great week end

gervais,ve2ckn


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Reply-To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Looking for Used MSR2000 Channell Element
Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 06:48:13 -0500

Pretty sure the MSR uses the same elements as the Mitrek mobile radio.

Ssb


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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Looking for Used MSR2000 Channell Element

2005-06-10 Thread skipp025

If you haven't found them yet... call Bud  (CW 
Wolfe Comm) at 406 252-9220 and tell him you need 
two Mitrek Channel elements.  KXN-1086 and KXN-1088  
and it probably doesn't matter if they have the 
plain, a or b suffix. 

Otherwise Ebay... 
skipp 

ps: Bud is in Billings MT. 

 gervais fillion [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 hi steeve
 i am looking for complete channel element with the crystals
 like used one from a shop that would replace them for an other frequency
 
 i am checking this week end
 i would not find any i will make an order at West Crystalls
 
 73/s and great week end
 
 gervais,ve2ckn
 
 
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 Pretty sure the MSR uses the same elements as the Mitrek mobile radio.
 
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[Repeater-Builder] New antenna install ? Any tips ??

2005-06-10 Thread k9jac1
Is there anything we should do to the new antennas before they are
installed on the tower ? Paint, Seal, Waterproof, Start on fire  or
just pull them out of the box and install them. They are a BD224-E and a
Celwave 455 Super Station Master  Thanks for your help 






 
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[Repeater-Builder] Anyone using the RS 12-249 WX Radio ?

2005-06-10 Thread Rich Garcia
Is anyone using the above weather radio (FIPS) interfaced to their
controller?
I had the opportunity today to catch a Tornado Warning and the radio
outputs 7.5v DC on the controller. I am not 100% sure how the output behaves
but I did notice that later on the output went to 0v. BUT I had been messing
with the buttons on the unit so I was curious as to if the unit will go
to 0v after the 5 minutes are up or will it stay high till you reset the
radio.

Thanks,
Rich






 
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[Repeater-Builder] remixing

2005-06-10 Thread dgrapach
Hellow All   
 

The mixing problem sounds like the one I had a while back. We had 
intermod on our repeater, and had your symtoms. The intermod was 
mixing with our receiver if frequency 10.7, which was the if plus the 
transmit output. I had changed a n connector on a factoy cable from 
male to female and did not install it secure enough on the schield. 
The cable end was right next to the receiver. Checking every possible 
thing to get rid of the problem, when we changed our cable and WAALA 
intermod GONE.
 Hope this helps.

Denny
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Looking for MRS-2000 module change blurb (orange sheet) info

2005-06-10 Thread N9WYS
You don't happen to know what the bulletin number, etc., might be on it, do
you?  Seems to me there were about 15 of these manual updates in my manual.

Let me check my manual when I get home tonight...  You've helped me so much
in the past, it's the least I can do.  wink

Mark - N9WYS

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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Looking for MRS-2000 module change blurb (orange
sheet) info

Looking for MRS-2000 module change blurb
(orange sheet) info:

Motorola put out a typical manual orange sheet
(manual update) for the MSR-2000 that describes
combinations of certain specific numbered cards
or modules, which must be used in the listed
combos without causing damage.  I believe the
related modules are probably the R1-Audio, the
Station Control Module and possibly a few others.

If you used the wrong combination/revision of
certain cards/modules... damage will occur (ie
smoke test).

If any of you still have the mentioned orange sheet
revision sheets for your MSR-2000 Control Station
(orange cover manaul) please look to see if you spot
the mentioned update notice and contact me if you do.

I could really use those good/bad module combination
numbers again.  My copy has gone poof from the file
cabinet.

thanks
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[Repeater-Builder] COS Circuit, my mind is blank

2005-06-10 Thread Mathew Quaife
I know I should have this figured out by now, but fact is, I'm still 
stuck.  Ok, I hit a brick wall that someone put in front of me on my 
TM-V7's using them for the remote receivers at the repeater site, and 
that is only one side will produce the 5 volts on the packet 
connection.  So I would be good for one half of the radio.  So lets 
just say for sake there was no 5 volts there, and I have discriminator 
audio, how would a COS or Squelch circuit be brought into action that 
will give me my 5 volts.  I take the discriminator audio to the RVS-8 
controller, what hooks to the COS circuit.  I'm basically drawing 
blanks on how this works.

Mathew







 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Anyone using the RS 12-249 WX Radio ?

2005-06-10 Thread Coy Hilton
If you have the owners manual look on page 38 for the information that
you asked for. It puts 7.5 volts on the alarm output when in alarm. If
you don't have the manual go to Radio Shack s web site it's there.
about the timing, if you have one, connect a volt meter and watch when
a test is runningrecord a test off the air with the receiver and
something like SCAN RECorder. OR ask at the Radio ShackYou have
questions They have answers...;-)
73
AC0Y





--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Rich Garcia [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Is anyone using the above weather radio (FIPS) interfaced to their
 controller?
 I had the opportunity today to catch a Tornado Warning and the radio
 outputs 7.5v DC on the controller. I am not 100% sure how the output
behaves
 but I did notice that later on the output went to 0v. BUT I had been
messing
 with the buttons on the unit so I was curious as to if the unit will go
 to 0v after the 5 minutes are up or will it stay high till you reset the
 radio.
 
 Thanks,
 Rich






 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] WEATHER RELATED STATIC

2005-06-10 Thread Joe
 I've heard stories of people in the tornado areas watching an unused TV 
channel in their area.  Tornados supposedly generate noise in the lower 
channels that you can see and identify as a tornado on TV.

Joe

 Dave VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Hasn't tornado winds been documented to generate broadband RF noise
 primarily in the VHF region?





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Anyone using the RS 12-249 WX Radio ?

2005-06-10 Thread Mathew Quaife



Better not ask anything more than about their cell phone plans, that's about all they know.

Mathew
Coy Hilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
If you have the owners manual look on page 38 for the information thatyou asked for. It puts 7.5 volts on the alarm output when in alarm. Ifyou don't have the manual go to Radio Shack s web site it's there.about the timing, if you have one, connect a volt meter and watch whena test is runningrecord a test off the air with the receiver andsomething like SCAN RECorder. OR ask at the Radio ShackYou havequestions They have answers...;-)73AC0Y--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, "Rich Garcia" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote: Is anyone using the above weather radio (FIPS) interfaced to their controller? I had the opportunity today to catch a Tornado Warning and the radio outputs 7.5v DC on the controller. I am not 100% sure how the outputbehaves but I did notice that later on the output
 went to 0v. BUT I had beenmessing with the buttons on the unit so I was curious as to if the unit will go to 0v after the 5 minutes are up or will it stay high till you reset the radio.  Thanks, RichYahoo! Groups Links* To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/* To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]* Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to:http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com 













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Re: [Repeater-Builder] COS Circuit, my mind is blank

2005-06-10 Thread Kevin Custer
Mathew Quaife wrote:

So lets just say for sake there was no 5 volts there, and I have discriminator 
audio, how would a COS or Squelch circuit be brought into action that will 
give me my 5 volts.  I take the discriminator audio to the RVS-8 controller, 
what hooks to the COS circuit.  I'm basically drawing blanks on how this works.


If you cannot come up with a suitable COS logic signal, but have 
Discriminator audio available, you can use any one of the 
circuits/boards referenced in this article to create a COS from 
discriminator audio.

http://www.repeater-builder.com/temp/micor-bilevel.gif

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[Repeater-Builder] Re: COS Circuit, my mind is blank

2005-06-10 Thread Coy Hilton
GET YOUR MANUAL OUT AND TURN TO PAGE 80.(I'm not yelling..dang cap
locks). OH if you don't have one go to Kenwoods site and down load it.
PIN 6 SQC goes to +5 when squelch is open. Pin 2 is ground. Try making
the side that you want to get squelch controll from the main or PTT
side...or the select side. Boy, using a perfectly good (great) radio
for that application is a disgrace, but it's yours. Oh if there's
other radios (transmitters)near the same band near by, it likely will
swamp the receiver. 
Good luck.
73
AC0Y

--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mathew Quaife [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
 I know I should have this figured out by now, but fact is, I'm still 
 stuck.  Ok, I hit a brick wall that someone put in front of me on my 
 TM-V7's using them for the remote receivers at the repeater site, and 
 that is only one side will produce the 5 volts on the packet 
 connection.  So I would be good for one half of the radio.  So lets 
 just say for sake there was no 5 volts there, and I have discriminator 
 audio, how would a COS or Squelch circuit be brought into action that 
 will give me my 5 volts.  I take the discriminator audio to the RVS-8 
 controller, what hooks to the COS circuit.  I'm basically drawing 
 blanks on how this works.
 
 Mathew






 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: WEATHER RELATED STATIC

2005-06-10 Thread Coy Hilton
I can't resist
Yea it causes the noise on the screen to spin around in a clock wise
direction. Oh hear's another trick that you can try with the same TV.
Try putting it on the Weather channel or the local news.   ;-)


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I've heard stories of people in the tornado areas watching an
unused TV channel in their area.  Tornados supposedly generate noise
in the lower channels that you can see and identify as a tornado on TV.
 
 Joe
 
  Dave VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  Hasn't tornado winds been documented to generate broadband RF noise
  primarily in the VHF region?






 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] COS Circuit, my mind is blank

2005-06-10 Thread Kevin Custer
Lets try that again
http://www.repeater-builder.com/rbtip/micorsquelch.html

Kevin

Kevin Custer wrote:

you can use any one of the circuits/boards referenced in this article to 
create a COS from discriminator audio.





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: although they do have a particular model that is a dog

2005-06-10 Thread Chuck Kelsey
The 3 or 4 I've know about that were in use in my area all failed within 
months. I don't have any direct, personal contact with the installations, 
just second party talk. I believe the problems were all related to feed 
harness to element connections, but it was 15-20 years ago now.

Maybe they did something to improve the problem since then. In any event, I 
much prefer their other designs.

Chuck
WB2EDV



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that is a dog


 Chuck,

 I've got 8 of the 224 antennas...  Why do you think
 they are trouble?

 skipp
 





 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] WEATHER RELATED STATIC

2005-06-10 Thread Dave VanHorn
At 06:19 PM 6/10/2005, Joe wrote:
  I've heard stories of people in the tornado areas watching an 
 unused TV channel in their area.  Tornados supposedly generate 
 noise in the lower channels that you can see and identify as a tornado on TV.

Despite the skeptics, it's well documented, and predates cable, and 
the weather channel.







 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] New antenna install ? Any tips ??

2005-06-10 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Make sure all hardware is tight.

Chuck
WB2EDV



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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] New antenna install ? Any tips ??


 Is there anything we should do to the new antennas before they are
 installed on the tower ? Paint, Seal, Waterproof, Start on fire  or
 just pull them out of the box and install them. They are a BD224-E and a
 Celwave 455 Super Station Master  Thanks for your help 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: WEATHER RELATED STATIC

2005-06-10 Thread Coy Hilton
Sorry DAVE, I couldn't resist. Really, what's the technical poop.
73
ac0y


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Dave VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 At 06:19 PM 6/10/2005, Joe wrote:
   I've heard stories of people in the tornado areas watching an 
  unused TV channel in their area.  Tornados supposedly generate 
  noise in the lower channels that you can see and identify as a 
tornado on TV.
 
 Despite the skeptics, it's well documented, and predates cable, and 
 the weather channel.






 
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[Repeater-Builder] Re: Anyone using the RS 12-249 WX Radio ?

2005-06-10 Thread Coy Hilton
Yea, I can beleave it!


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Mathew Quaife [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 Better not ask anything more than about their cell phone plans, 
that's about all they know.
  
 Mathew
 
 Coy Hilton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 If you have the owners manual look on page 38 for the information 
that
 you asked for. It puts 7.5 volts on the alarm output when in 
alarm. If
 you don't have the manual go to Radio Shack s web site it's there.
 about the timing, if you have one, connect a volt meter and watch 
when
 a test is runningrecord a test off the air with the receiver 
and
 something like SCAN RECorder. OR ask at the Radio ShackYou have
 questions They have answers...;-)
 73
 AC0Y
 
 
 
 
 
 --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Rich Garcia wrote:
  Is anyone using the above weather radio (FIPS) interfaced to 
their
  controller?
  I had the opportunity today to catch a Tornado Warning and the 
radio
  outputs 7.5v DC on the controller. I am not 100% sure how the 
output
 behaves
  but I did notice that later on the output went to 0v. BUT I had 
been
 messing
  with the buttons on the unit so I was curious as to if the unit 
will go
  to 0v after the 5 minutes are up or will it stay high till you 
reset the
  radio.
  
  Thanks,
  Rich
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: WEATHER RELATED STATIC

2005-06-10 Thread Dave VanHorn
At 07:33 PM 6/10/2005, Coy Hilton wrote:
Sorry DAVE, I couldn't resist. Really, what's the technical poop.
73
ac0y

Apparently somewhat the same thing as the santa ana winds. Charged 
particles, rain, debris, whatever, colliding with each other.

http://www.madsci.org/posts/archives/aug98/899129606.Es.r.html 





 
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[Repeater-Builder] sound card SAME Decoder

2005-06-10 Thread Coy Hilton
Does anyone know of, or have any info on a program that will decode 
the SAME signal in  a PC sound card?
Thanks 
73
AC0Y 






 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: WEATHER RELATED STATIC

2005-06-10 Thread Richard
So if you are in the southern hemisphere, does it spin in a counterclockwise
direction? Funny... my wife grew up in tornado country and she never
mentioned that! grin

Richard, N7TGB


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Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: WEATHER RELATED STATIC


I can't resist
Yea it causes the noise on the screen to spin around in a clock wise
direction. Oh hear's another trick that you can try with the same TV.
Try putting it on the Weather channel or the local news.   ;-)


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I've heard stories of people in the tornado areas watching an
unused TV channel in their area.  Tornados supposedly generate noise
in the lower channels that you can see and identify as a tornado on TV.

 Joe

  Dave VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hasn't tornado winds been documented to generate broadband RF noise
  primarily in the VHF region?







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Re: [Repeater-Builder] COS Circuit, my mind is blank

2005-06-10 Thread Bob Dengler
At 6/10/2005 04:30 PM, you wrote:
Mathew Quaife wrote:

 So lets just say for sake there was no 5 volts there, and I have 
 discriminator audio, how would a COS or Squelch circuit be brought into 
 action that will give me my 5 volts.  I take the discriminator audio to 
 the RVS-8 controller, what hooks to the COS circuit.  I'm basically 
 drawing blanks on how this works.
 

If you cannot come up with a suitable COS logic signal, but have
Discriminator audio available, you can use any one of the
circuits/boards referenced in this article to create a COS from
discriminator audio.

http://www.repeater-builder.com/temp/micor-bilevel.gif

Kevin

For faster fast squelch action, leave out C13.

Bob NO6B






 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: WEATHER RELATED STATIC

2005-06-10 Thread NØATH
As a matter of fact, it does - Or so I've always been told
Dave / NØATH

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So if you are in the southern hemisphere, does it spin in a counterclockwise
direction? Funny... my wife grew up in tornado country and she never
mentioned that! grin

Richard, N7TGB


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Sent: Friday, June 10, 2005 4:35 PM
To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: WEATHER RELATED STATIC


I can't resist
Yea it causes the noise on the screen to spin around in a clock wise
direction. Oh hear's another trick that you can try with the same TV.
Try putting it on the Weather channel or the local news.   ;-)


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I've heard stories of people in the tornado areas watching an
unused TV channel in their area.  Tornados supposedly generate noise
in the lower channels that you can see and identify as a tornado on TV.

 Joe

  Dave VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hasn't tornado winds been documented to generate broadband RF noise
  primarily in the VHF region?







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Re: [Repeater-Builder] although they do have a particular model that is a dog

2005-06-10 Thread Eric Lemmon
Chuck,

I guess your statement brings new meaning to the phrase, Your Mileage May
Vary.

I have two Sinclair SRL-222 VHF antennas in service now, and will continue to
specify them because of their consistent high quality, consistent ruggedness,
consistent smooth broadband coverage, and consistent (and very desirable)
vertical pattern.  I will readily admit that they are expensive, but as in
almost all endeavors, you get what you pay for.  IMHO, the Sinclair SRL-222 is
an excellent antenna.  I can't comment on the -224, haven't used it.

73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

Chuck Kelsey wrote:

 However, as I listed in a previous post:

 The SRL-222 and SRL-224 should be avoided. These are a folded dipole design,
 but they are problematic. I don't understand why they (Sinclair) continue
 these models when they have other similar models that work well.

 Chuck
 WB2EDV






 
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: WEATHER RELATED STATIC

2005-06-10 Thread Richard
Actually I was referring to the static on the screen, but I believe you're
right about the direction of spin in the hemispheres. So what does the
static on the TV do during a tornado event?

Richard, N7TGB

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As a matter of fact, it does - Or so I've always been told
Dave / NØATH

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So if you are in the southern hemisphere, does it spin in a counterclockwise
direction? Funny... my wife grew up in tornado country and she never
mentioned that! grin

Richard, N7TGB


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I can't resist
Yea it causes the noise on the screen to spin around in a clock wise
direction. Oh hear's another trick that you can try with the same TV.
Try putting it on the Weather channel or the local news.   ;-)


--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Joe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  I've heard stories of people in the tornado areas watching an
unused TV channel in their area.  Tornados supposedly generate noise
in the lower channels that you can see and identify as a tornado on TV.

 Joe

  Dave VanHorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Hasn't tornado winds been documented to generate broadband RF noise
  primarily in the VHF region?







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Re: [Repeater-Builder] although they do have a particular model that is a dog

2005-06-10 Thread Chuck Kelsey
Maybe they improved them. If you are happy with them, I won't argue that. 
I'd still use their other models, if I was buying one.

Chuck
WB2EDV



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Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] although they do have a particular model 
that is a dog


 Chuck,

 I guess your statement brings new meaning to the phrase, Your Mileage May
 Vary.

 I have two Sinclair SRL-222 VHF antennas in service now, and will continue 
 to
 specify them because of their consistent high quality, consistent 
 ruggedness,
 consistent smooth broadband coverage, and consistent (and very desirable)
 vertical pattern.  I will readily admit that they are expensive, but as in
 almost all endeavors, you get what you pay for.  IMHO, the Sinclair 
 SRL-222 is
 an excellent antenna.  I can't comment on the -224, haven't used it.

 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY

 Chuck Kelsey wrote:

 However, as I listed in a previous post:

 The SRL-222 and SRL-224 should be avoided. These are a folded dipole 
 design,
 but they are problematic. I don't understand why they (Sinclair) continue
 these models when they have other similar models that work well.

 Chuck
 WB2EDV







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[Repeater-Builder] Re: COS Circuit, my mind is blank

2005-06-10 Thread Coy Hilton
Lets face it, COS or what ever you want to call it is nothing more 
than a VOX circuit that works on high frequency noise. first the 
audio goes through a High pass filter of some sort then through an 
amplifier then to a detector circuit that drives a transistor 
switch. OH by the way, the switch is used to mute the receiver and 
viola a squelch circuit is born.
NOTHING DIFFICULT ABOUT IT.

Oh, if the 5 volts doesn't work on the TMV7A... it's broke!

73
AC0Y



--- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Bob Dengler [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
 At 6/10/2005 04:30 PM, you wrote:
 Mathew Quaife wrote:
 
  So lets just say for sake there was no 5 volts there, and I 
have 
  discriminator audio, how would a COS or Squelch circuit be 
brought into 
  action that will give me my 5 volts.  I take the discriminator 
audio to 
  the RVS-8 controller, what hooks to the COS circuit.  I'm 
basically 
  drawing blanks on how this works.
  
 
 If you cannot come up with a suitable COS logic signal, but have
 Discriminator audio available, you can use any one of the
 circuits/boards referenced in this article to create a COS from
 discriminator audio.
 
 http://www.repeater-builder.com/temp/micor-bilevel.gif
 
 Kevin
 
 For faster fast squelch action, leave out C13.
 
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Re: [Repeater-Builder] New antenna install ? Any tips ??

2005-06-10 Thread rs . gilmore

Perhaps arrange for a Native American rain dance -- there's something about
installations made during rotten weather.  Really!

Failing that, pay close attention to your jumper connects.   I like to dab a
wee bit of clear silicone grease on the threads (not pins) as an
anti-oxidant.
Caution on tightening -- too much wrenching can deform the coupling  make
'em prone to leakage.
Avoid cheezy tape from the dollar store; pay a little extra for the good
stuff.
/.

k9jac1 wrote:
Is there anything we should do to the new antennas before they are installed
on the tower ? Paint, Seal, Waterproof, Start on fire  ..
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RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: WEATHER RELATED STATIC

2005-06-10 Thread Dave VanHorn
At 08:29 PM 6/10/2005, Richard wrote:
Actually I was referring to the static on the screen, but I believe you're
right about the direction of spin in the hemispheres. So what does the
static on the TV do during a tornado event?

You get more static, but actually, what they say they are seeing 
indicates that they are weakly receiving a carrier from somewhere, 
and the storm is interfering with it, either by noise, or by 
physically attenuating the signal.

Black screen is max signal in analog TV, and white is minimum signal.





 
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