[Repeater-Builder] Deviation Limiting/Linearity
Actually, I have two problems so it might take two threads. (Long-winded too...no less) Repeater: MSR2000 Controller: CAT250 interfaced via Squelch Gate card. I have been chasing my tail on two issues. One is deviation limiting and the other is deviation linearity. It seems that if the deviation is not linear when setting up IDC/Repeater Leveland the deviation limiting in the receiver, if has an adverse effect on the DTMF decoding in the VA3TO interface that I use on Echolink. IRLP and WIRES decoders work nearly flawlessly with the same audio. I found that the 147 side of the keyboard would not perform well for a lot of DTMF sources if the deviation didn't track pretty closely from 0 to 3 K or so. We check it by putting in a 1K tone @ 1K deviation, 2K deviation and 3K deviation, etc. There seems to be a couple of schools of thought. One, adjust IDC/Repeater level so it tracks 1:1, e.g., 1=1, 2=2, 3=3, 4=4, etc. The other is to check the deviation with no input and adjust the deviation to compensate for noise in the exciter, e.g., 1=1.2, 2=2.2, 3=3.2, etc. We have done it both ways. It's seems pretty tough to get the linearity AND the deviation limiter in the receiver aligned so that the deviaton is linear and limited to about 5K and see a niceundistorted audio waveform. After we had done an alignment and was fairly satisfied with the results, a month or so later, we began to have what appeared to be an intermod or spur problem which would break squelch and key the repeater. We thought SURE it was a noisy rig somewhere or the TV Channel 11 spur we found a few months ago. We chased it around several days. We re-soldered suspected back planepins on the R1 Audio and though we fixed it. Then it comes back again. Changed out the R1 Audio card and it worked for a day or two, and it's back again! Thought it was the Squelch Gate card and checked every solder joint a few times. Used a scope to lookat everything. This morning at about 4 AM, I put my adjusting tool on the L201 deviation limiting adjustment in the receiver and cracked it a little CW (higherdeviationallowed)and the problem went away. I could see the audio noise waveformchange on the scope at the output of the receiver. I can easily find the ragged edge so I know it's this adjustment. I even put the suspected R1 Audio card back in and it works good. However, 147 won't work on K7IOUs Kenwood (again) nowbecause the deviation is no longer linear. By the way, the repeater still sounds great even if the deviaton is not linear...so long as the limiter is working. Canany of you "gurus" with lots of experience give me a hint on the alignment?Or should I throw away the VA3TO interface? Skipp, I have read your alignment procedure a hundred times, and it makes sense on paper, but I'm not confident that I'm doing it right. I would think that the deviation limiting would not have an effect on the linearity, but it seems that it does. de WD7F John in Tucson Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Deviation Limiting/Linearity
Well hell, I accidently sent the previous before I was finished: As I was saying, when I said: I could see the audio noise waveform change on the scope at the output of the receiver. I can easily find the ragged edge so I know it's this adjustment. And you said: No, it's not... I have to ask: Then what is causing the squelch to break and why did it quit acting up when I tweaked it just a bit? It's obvisouly not aligned properly. I can turn it a tad CCW until the noise increases (possibly going into oscillation?) and breaks the squelch and then turn it back a hair CW until it stops. I can see the audio noise change when I hit the spot where it goes haywire. I have listened to this repeater for a few months with my trusty HTX-202 so I earballed it and left it until we can get to it. We will do the alignment again according to the manual soon. And you said: As I describe in my text, above 3.5KHz (service monitor) deviated test input, the MSR2000 receiver filters start to distort the audio. You can see it with a scope at the discriminator output. I say: Yep, you're perzactly right. However, on our second attemp to set the deviation back in March, we did have it looking pretty good up to 5K looking at the audio at the input of the controller. And it tracked pretty good up to about 3.5K. It held still for a couple months and then we had the Channel 11 spur that drove us crazy. It was so strong, I thought the repeater was broken. One day, there was noise getting through with the antenna disconnected.. During that episode we tweaked it again and probably messed it up. Final comment: Walt, WA4LDS and an engineer at Channel 4 here in Tucson noticed that when the picture changed on our local Fox channel, the repeater noise changed. He was instrumental in getting the Channel 11 engineer to tweak his transmiter and it is all better now. Thanks for the response. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: skipp025 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, July 27, 2004 10:35 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Deviation Limiting/Linearity Hi John, I'm here... WD7F - John in Tucson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Actually, I have two problems so it might take two threads. (Long-winded too...no less) It seems that if the deviation is not linear when setting up IDC/Repeater Level and the deviation limiting in the receiver. For the non Motorhead (Motorola) people, IDC is the channel element contained deviation control. The repeater in-out deviation will never be (track) linear on any repeater ever. There are at least three wild cards in your problem list. The first is the receiver bandwidth and any included (if used) de-emphasis circuit. The other wild cards are the transmitter (both the users radio and the repeater transmitter) pre-emphasis circuits. When these values get really wacked out, we run into an unbalanced tone level (dtmf is made from two tones) called twist. A big abuser is excessive or user radio over deviation. Most people don't realize how little audio is actually required for proper dtmf and sub-tone (PL) decoding. There are standards, but most out of the box user radios are set excessively hot. Specific to your MSR-2000 and Cat Controller. Know the receiver IF filters are tight. You will not get a good detected waveform with any voice audio deviated signal above 4KHz (without sub tone). So don't try... The statement just above is much of your problem. You also didn't say how you set the receiver on frequency. John, Again set the repeater up as described in my MSR2000 to external controller text, easily found at http://www.radiowrench.com/sonic Then follow what I write below (after a few more comments). it has an adverse effect on the DTMF decoding in the VA3TO interface that I use on Echolink. IRLP and WIRES decoders work nearly flawlessly with the same audio. This might tell you about a level and twist problem with at the dtmf decoders. A scope at the controller dtmf decoder chip input will give you the real answer. I found that the 147 side of the keyboard would not perform well for a lot of DTMF sources if the deviation didn't track pretty closely from 0 to 3 K or so. It's probably more than a deviation tracking problem. We check it by putting in a 1K tone @ 1K deviation, 2K deviation and 3K deviation, etc. There seems to be a couple of schools of thought. Yep... One, adjust IDC/Repeater level so it tracks 1:1, e.g., 1=1, 2=2, 3=3, 4=4, etc. Close, but no cigar. You have to know the preformance of your receiver filter. As I describe in my text, above 3.5KHz (service monitor) deviated test input, the MSR2000 receiver filters start to distort the audio. You can see it with a scope at the discriminator output. Everyone setting up a receiver should know how that receiver preforms at X value input deviation. Your target value 1:1 deviation ratio for the the MSR is about 3KHz (set at one
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola TPN-1106A
Do you suppose it's the same board as in the TRN1192A? Probably not. The TRN5120A has a pulse tone output when the power supply is on backup power. Anyway, if it is a 5120 or equivalent, I can e-mail you the schematic. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Kevin Berlen, K9HX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 8:59 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Motorola TPN-1106A I am in need of the schematic for the board in a Motorola TPN-1106A power supply that is added on the emergency power option models. I want to use the signal that turns the audio tone on when the base is on battery, and run that to a logic input on my controller. I would like to be able to add a tail message when we are on emergency power. I have the diagram from the Repeater Builder site downloaded, but I dont find this optional board on schematic. I would like an original copy of the manual with this option if anyone has a spare. Other wise a scanned copy sent via e-mail or a photo copy sent via USPS would work. Please let me know if you can help and what the costs are. TIA and 73, Kevin, K9HX Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Question for the group
Yep, it shoulda been converted in 1985 or about. Didn't they send you a new certificate? I tried Slusser, John and got my radiotelephone license. The database doesn't show the radar endorsement. Don't know why, however, I haven't needed it. To find my ham call I had to use Slusser Sr, John. Then it found it. Interesting that when is searched by call I found a WD7FM, a radio control club in Riverside, CA. Neat. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Paul Finch To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 7:19 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Question for the group I still can't find my "General" radiotelephone license! I wonder if it was cancelled! I kept it up for the whole time until it was ported over to the General class useless thing, I would like to know it's still there. I also though it had been converted to lifetime! Paul -Original Message-From: Marvin K. Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 8:36 AMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Question for the groupI found my old General Radiotelephone that was converted to lifetime in 1985. No record of the old 1st and 2nd Class Radiotelephone, however.Use "last name, first name" on the search.Marv Hoffman, WA4NCPG057703Paul Finch wrote: Got this off the Tower Pro group, check out this site for you questions. http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/searchLicense.jsp I have not been able to find my old FCC license, found my Ham license but no General Radiotelephone! Paul -Original Message- From: Russ Hines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 12:41 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Question for the group Hi Frank: The First Class Radiotelephone Operator's License was replaced with the General Radiotelephone Operator's License nearly 20 years ago. Approximately equivalent to the old 2nd Class license, the GROL is only needed for aviation, marine, and international public fixed stations. These days, one does not need any license to work as a tech at a broadcast station, radio or TV. The FCC put the responsibility for proper operation of a station's transmitter in the hands of the station licensee, and leaves it up to them to hire competent techs. This was part of deregulation back during the Reagan Administration. I'm not aware of any database for commercial licensees, but if there is one, I'd guess either the FCC, NARTE, ISCET or NRE might likely post it on the web. Hope this helps. 73, Russ WB8ZCC - Original Message - From: "Frank or Barb" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "List Server repeater-builder" repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 1:18 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Question for the group I have a neighbor who works for a cellular carrier, and had the old FCC First Class Radio Telephone license. First question, is that license still required for techs at tv and radio stations or did the FCC drop the requirement? Is there a place on the web to search a license database? They are not listed in the ULS web site. Thanks N3FLR - Frank Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Question for the group
Kevin, I heard that they had accepted the article submitted by K7IOU. Didn't know the Sep. issue was out. Thanks. John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Kevin Bednar To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 8:14 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Question for the group John, Saw your pic and the article on you in Sept's QST. Congrats OM! ;) Kevin K2KMB in Sparta NJ (I've talked to you on Echolink on my machine, and on Earl's once or twice.) ;) From: WD7F - John in Tucson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 11:13 AMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Question for the group Yep, it shoulda been converted in 1985 or about. Didn't they send you a new certificate? I tried Slusser, John and got my radiotelephone license. The database doesn't show the radar endorsement. Don't know why, however, I haven't needed it. To find my ham call I had to use Slusser Sr, John. Then it found it. Interesting that when is searched by call I found a WD7FM, a radio control club in Riverside, CA. Neat. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Paul Finch To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 7:19 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Question for the group I still can't find my "General" radiotelephone license! I wonder if it was cancelled! I kept it up for the whole time until it was ported over to the General class useless thing, I would like to know it's still there. I also though it had been converted to lifetime! Paul -Original Message-From: Marvin K. Hoffman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 8:36 AMTo: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.comSubject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Question for the groupI found my old General Radiotelephone that was converted to lifetime in 1985. No record of the old 1st and 2nd Class Radiotelephone, however.Use "last name, first name" on the search.Marv Hoffman, WA4NCPG057703Paul Finch wrote: Got this off the Tower Pro group, check out this site for you questions. http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/UlsSearch/searchLicense.jsp I have not been able to find my old FCC license, found my Ham license but no General Radiotelephone! Paul -Original Message- From: Russ Hines [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 12:41 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Question for the group Hi Frank: The First Class Radiotelephone Operator's License was replaced with the General Radiotelephone Operator's License nearly 20 years ago. Approximately equivalent to the old 2nd Class license, the GROL is only needed for aviation, marine, and international public fixed stations. These days, one does not need any license to work as a tech at a broadcast station, radio or TV. The FCC put the responsibility for proper operation of a station's transmitter in the hands of the station licensee, and leaves it up to them to hire competent techs. This was part of deregulation back during the Reagan Administration. I'm not aware of any database for commercial licensees, but if there is one, I'd guess either the FCC, NARTE, ISCET or NRE might likely post it on the web. Hope this helps. 73, Russ WB8ZCC - Original Message - From: "Frank or Barb" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: "List Server repeater-builder" repeater-builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 1:18 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Question for the group I have a neighbor who works for a cellular carrier, and had the old FCC First Class Radio Telephone license. First question, is that license still required for techs at tv and radio stations or did the FCC drop the requirement? Is there a place on the web to search a license database? They are not listed in the ULS web site. Thanks N3FLR - Frank Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Patch lead lengh between cavities ?
We used 1/4 and made sure to include velocity factor of the coax. Don't know the technical term for the type of cans, but the passband was set with the cavity and the notch was set with the probe. We used a vector volt meter to get them pretty darned close, a set for the transmit and a set for the receive. All of the probes came in except a couple had to be shortened. The commercial jumpers that were used when the bongos were converted to ham band were too short for our 146.34/.94, but they had been tuned originally as far as I know. When we built a new set of jumpers, we had to retune all six. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Patch lead lengh between cavities ? Dave, There is no pat answer to your question, because the optimum length of the jumpers depends not just upon the operating frequencies or the design of the cavities, but also upon the physical length of the loops or probes within the cavities. The optimum jumper lengths are not the same for loops as for probes. Therefore, duplexers of identical design, but from different manufacturers, may require different jumper lengths to achieve optimum performance. It's always best to ask the manufacturer what lengths are correct for the given frequencies. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY dave_g7uzn wrote: Hi Group, I know this question has probably been asked before, but should the patch leads connecting cavity filters be 1/4 or 1/2 wave in length please? We are having problems with a new 2M repeater just south east of London and any help would be much appreciated. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Astron Supply Help
As a troubleshooting technique, you can plug in one pass transistor at a time and the power supply will work so that you can measure voltage on the output. I have had strange things happen to an Astron 35 which has included a single pass transistor shorting out, a resistor in the reference voltage divider increasing it's resistance and causing the voltage to drop to about 8V max. Good luck. I've got one that took a power surge last spring during a lightning storm and I haven't found the problem yet. I just bought another one. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: motarolla_doctor [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:02 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Astron Supply Help reinstalling the TO-3 mount pass transistors with a thin flim of heat sink grease on the insulator and mate surfaces. I use the clear heatsink grease Also, I allways add a star or shake proof lock washer on each pass transistor mounting screws. This helps keep the transistor collector and the socket in good contact under hot conditions. replace the entire reg board with Skipp's upgraded circuit. This helps too. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] 600 - 10k ohm Interface
You guys are all purists. Hook it up and see if it works. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Chuck Kelsey To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 4:47 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 600 - 10k ohm Interface I believe Radio Shack sells a matching transformer that will work. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Kevin Natalia To: Repeaters Users Group ; Repeater Builder Users Group Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 6:14 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] 600 - 10k ohm Interface Hi All, I need a simple interface for a 600 ohm output radio to a controller which accepts 10k ohm. This isa RX not TX. I don't want to make a circuit board if I don't need to. Any ideas? Regards Kevin. Yahoo! Groups Links To visit your group on the web, go to:http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
Re: [Repeater-Builder] formula for DB -Power
Power gain = 10log P-Out/P-In - Original Message - From: Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 9:42 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] formula for DB -Power At 11:22 AM 6/6/2005 -0500, you wrote: well for some reason i just can not think of this. or im getting to old ,,hehe what is the formula for DB ( power )? ---Here's a link: https://ewhdbks.mugu.navy.mil/decibel.htm Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html It was great to meet many of you at Dayton 2005! We offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor mobile manual/schematic sought
Here's the deal. The repeater we are converting is a Securenet Digital Voice Protection System Micor Repeater Station. The exciter for this station is different from the TLD8262B exciter (and others there) as shown in Kevins Micor Conversion site http://www.repeater-builder.com/rbtip/micor-index.html. So, we WERE (operative word) looking for the schematic of the mobile exciter (TLD8262B) so we could compare the component numbers and values (which are different) with the newer TLD5803B that we're converting without having to draw the circuit from the PC layout we have on hand. Hope that clarifies what we were looking for and why. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 9:20 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor mobile manual/schematic sought Budd Turner wrote: From another discussion group: TnT (222 in Tucson) Group Please reply to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: micor mobile exciter schematic nospamk7iou Does anyone have a micor mobile (Trunked) manual? I need a schematic for the exciter (TLD8262B) as our repeater has a different model exciter due to the DVP. Since the 220 MHz conversion was done on the mobile exciter I need the schematic to convert it our exciter. 73 Dave http://home.comcast.net/~micorrepeater/ 73 Budd : N7EOJ TnT (222 in Tucson) Group owner The exciter model tells me it's VHF high-band. It will not be a trunked radio, maybe he means trunk-mount? And DVP means Digital Voice Protection, Motorola's term for digital speech encryption. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor mobile manual/schematic sought
Thanks Mark, we have received the schematic from Larry, WA4FOB. Note, I did say that we WERE looking for the schematic. Guess I should have been clearer. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: N9WYS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 10:18 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Micor mobile manual/schematic sought John, I have the manual for the Micor VHF mobile. (68P81008E40-N) Unfortunately, my primary computer (the one with the scanner attached) is on the Fritz right now, so I can't scan in any pages for you. Hopefully I will have it going again in a couple of days. (I had to wait for a few days off from work before I could start the rebuilding process...) However, if you think we can do this via e-mail, contact me off-list - maybe I can provide the answers you need without too much trouble. Mark - N9WYS n9wys (at) ameritech (dot) net -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of WD7F - John in Tucson Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 12:00 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Micor mobile manual/schematic sought Here's the deal. The repeater we are converting is a Securenet Digital Voice Protection System Micor Repeater Station. The exciter for this station is different from the TLD8262B exciter (and others there) as shown in Kevins Micor Conversion site http://www.repeater-builder.com/rbtip/micor-index.html. So, we WERE (operative word) looking for the schematic of the mobile exciter (TLD8262B) so we could compare the component numbers and values (which are different) with the newer TLD5803B that we're converting without having to draw the circuit from the PC layout we have on hand. Hope that clarifies what we were looking for and why. de WD7F John in Tucson Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] TLD5322 Exciter is on all the time, is there another way
That's interesting to know Mathew. We're in the process of putting a converted hi band VHF Micor on 220 and as it is set up now, the exciter is keyed. I would guess that it wouldn't be much of a delay anyway. The final stage of the exciter is keyed with keyed A- and I believe the xtal module is keyed ( I think, but I don't remember) as well. If I had that problem, I would hook up the key line again. In the bench test configuration, I do know that with the final stage unkeyed and the xtal module oscillating, we have about 7 mW at the output of the exciter. You probably could hear that a few miles. However, isn't the PA keyed and unkeyed? de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: n9lv [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 8:52 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] TLD5322 Exciter is on all the time, is there another way I have a motorola micor repeater that has the exciter keyed up all the time, the TLD5322. I'm told if it is not setup like this that it will have a delay in the keyup. The signal can be heard for a few miles from the repeater site. Is there another alternative to this? Mathew Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] putting a bigger heat shrink on a radio?
I can see how it might be constured as heatshrink. That's like the guy in the TV commercial and French benefits...You mean we don't get French benefits? ;-) - Original Message - From: Jim B. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2005 9:30 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] putting a bigger heat shrink on a radio? Lee Jones wrote: Heres a question for someone to answer, IF you were to take say a gm300 45 watt radio and take say a lowband heatshrink from a maxtrac would the bigger heat shrink help disipate the heat better or would it not make a diference? You want a heat sink, not heat shrink tubing... -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DR-235 for repeater
David, what do you mean by: On a one-way setup, you definitely get discriminator output. When coupled to the second rig, the conditioning takes place.? Which output are you talking about? I guess my question is: Other than the specified signal levels, what IS the difference between the 1200 baud audio out and the 9600 baud audio out? de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DR-235 for repeater I also had the same concerns. However, I found that the treatment after the discriminator on the respective radios applied the conditioning to make the interface transparent to the ear. We have tested in-band range extenders using antenna separation to extend the range of simplex communications by using a pair of 2 meter rigs connected data port to data port. I have also done similar experiments going from 6M SSB to 2m Simplex and back. The audio quality does not have the thin quality you would expect; reinforcing the concept that the radio does the conditioning after the discriminator to the user interface (speaker and audio controls on the receiver). It took me a long time to finally accept that this was the case before even trying to use the data ports for user audio. On a one-way setup, you definitely get discriminator output. When coupled to the second rig, the conditioning takes place. David KD4NUE - Original Message - From: Bob Witte K0NR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:05 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DR-235 for repeater With regard to interfacing radios via packet data ports. Has anyone looked at the audio flatness of these ports? Also, some rigs have a 1200 baud in/out and a 9600 baud in/out, which (apparently) have very different audio levels. I suspect there are other characteristics that are different, too. 73, Bob K0NR --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andy, I have not personally done this, but the data out connector should suply pins for audio in , audio out, Squelch voltage or logic and a reference ground. These signals should provide everything you should need for direct linking of 2 radios. The DB9 is easy to work with. Since these were designed for packet use, the audio is not affected by front panel controls. It is conditioned and altered after it enters the TNC; or in this case, the other rig. I have set up crossband repeaters using data connectors from other brands, and it works well with little external manipulation. Attached is the page from the manual describing pin function for the DB9 connector. Email me if it doesn't go through. David KD4NUE Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DR-235 for repeater
Thanks...good info. John - Original Message - From: Ken Arck [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 10:26 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: DR-235 for repeater At 10:21 AM 12/17/2005 -0700, you wrote: Which output are you talking about? I guess my question is: Other than the specified signal levels, what IS the difference between the 1200 baud audio out and the 9600 baud audio out? ---9600 baud, by its very nature, requires that received audio is actually discriminator audio, with no deemphasis of any sort. 1200 baud audio on the other hand, is generally deemphasized. The corollary is also true. 9600 Tx audio isn't preemphasized, whereas 1200 is. Ken -- President and CTO - Arcom Communications Makers of state-of-the-art repeater controllers and accessories. http://www.ah6le.net/arcom/index.html We offer complete Kenwood TKR repeater packages! We are now an authorized Telewave Dealer! AH6LE/R - IRLP Node 3000 http://www.irlp.net Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Repeater-Builder] Multimeter for $2.99
Gee whiz! Why do you require all that accuracy? When I stick the probes in the wall outlet, if I see a voltage between 100 and 125, I'm happy, and if it's "0", then I know somethings wrong. I paid a whopping $4.99 for mine at ACE and it has done me service many times when I just wanted to see if 12 volts or 5 volts was there or was the signal zero, etc. I'll bet I can tell if your car battery is dead or if it'scharging. And it's good for continuity and gets you in the ballpark for resistance. What do you expect for $2.99? de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Thomas Oliver To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:44 PM Subject: RE: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Repeater-Builder] Multimeter for $2.99 - Original Message - From: Mike Morris To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: 12/27/2005 7:27:57 PM Subject: [Norton AntiSpam] Re: [Repeater-Builder] Multimeter for $2.99 I have a Harbor Freight store about 2 miles from meI had one of the Centech cheapens and didn't bother replacing it after it died. The AC volts scale was way off on it from the day I opened the box... 118vAC on my Fluke DVM or my Simpson 260 read 124v on the Centech. Yea a man with two watches never knows what time it is, Seriously though if you were checking to see if voltage is present or if a fuse is good or not or if a feed line is shorted or not it would be adequate. I am meter poor around here but I bought a couple anyway to give to my customers to check fuses with. Heck I don't even think you can get a test light (battery powered)for $2.99. It has a one year warranty but it would probably cost more than $2.99 to mail it back to them. tom n8ies If I were going to buy one I'd take another meter and some test samples: a 9v DC battery and both a 100 ohm and a 10k resistor with me to the store... I'd read the store's AC voltage with my meter, then pop open the Centech box there in the store and use it to read the AC voltage, the 9v battery and the two resistors against known values (i.e. your other meter).Mike WA6ILQAt 03:54 PM 12/27/05, you wrote: Harbor Freight Tool has these on sale right now for $2.99 good little beater meter the leads suck though. Would be great tool for repeater sites or EOC's Comand centers ect.tom n8ieshttp://www.data-nation.com/index.asp?redirect=centech.asp picture here. 7-Function Multitester Features: YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "Repeater-Builder" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service.
[Repeater-Builder] TKR-820 PL Control
Anyone know offhand if it's possible to control the PL during non-COS transmissions with the TX PLL EN on the TX PLL Unit of the Kenwood TKR-820? Or, does anyone know a tried true method to perform this task? Thanks, John in Tucson Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: TKR-820 PL Control
John P Slusser wrote: Thanks. I'm going to try that on the internal PLL unit. If that doesn't work I'll acquire an external encoder. I'm going to try to link using DPL and use PL for user repeater access. This will be a first for me. I was hoping that someone had in-depth experience with the Kenwood and might share a method. John in Tucson I couldn't tell you which pin it is, but encode tone is available on one of the connectors on the tone panel/controller board in the top of the repeater (the board were the tone EEPROM is located). You should be able to find it with the manual and either interrupt it, or pull it to ground when no tone is desired. Then just bring the control line for that out a spare pin on the molex on the back where everything else plugs in. There is one or two that can be used. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Rgr. I opened it up yesterday evening and found the enable on the module responsible for encoding. And that signal originates in the tone panel as you mention. I'm going to test that theory first. Also, I want to see how disabling the PL will effect the squelch heard on a user's radio. I still may elect to use an external encoder if my experiement is not so succssful. Thanks. WD7F John in Tucson Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: TKR-820 PL Control
Thanks Juan. If I understand you correctly, it should work as I speculate. John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Juan Tellez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 1:43 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: TKR-820 PL Control The green wire is the encode tone, just ground it or put a SPST switch of your choice and control it with your controller or with COR from the receiver, myself do it from the controller, and for not using any of the outputs, I use the audio switch voltage that control the repeat audio so it will be active with appropriate signal at the repeater input. Hope this info helps. Juan Asunto: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: TKR-820 PL Control John P Slusser wrote: Thanks. I'm going to try that on the internal PLL unit. If that doesn't work I'll acquire an external encoder. I'm going to try to link using DPL and use PL for user repeater access. This will be a first for me. I was hoping that someone had in-depth experience with the Kenwood and might share a method. John in Tucson Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/496 - Release Date: 10/24/2006 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-820 PL Control
Yes, I have the PDF manual. Thanks anyway. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: N9WYS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 5:32 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-820 PL Control John, Do you have the manual for this repeater? (Sorry - I've been only kinda following this thread...) If not, I have it in PDF on my ftp server. Let me know if you need access to it and I can set it up for you. E-mail direct to: n9wys at ameritech dot net Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of WD7F - John in Tucson Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:27 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: TKR-820 PL Control John P Slusser wrote: Thanks. I'm going to try that on the internal PLL unit. If that doesn't work I'll acquire an external encoder. I'm going to try to link using DPL and use PL for user repeater access. This will be a first for me. I was hoping that someone had in-depth experience with the Kenwood and might share a method. John in Tucson I couldn't tell you which pin it is, but encode tone is available on one of the connectors on the tone panel/controller board in the top of the repeater (the board were the tone EEPROM is located). You should be able to find it with the manual and either interrupt it, or pull it to ground when no tone is desired. Then just bring the control line for that out a spare pin on the molex on the back where everything else plugs in. There is one or two that can be used. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Rgr. I opened it up yesterday evening and found the enable on the module responsible for encoding. And that signal originates in the tone panel as you mention. I'm going to test that theory first. Also, I want to see how disabling the PL will effect the squelch heard on a user's radio. I still may elect to use an external encoder if my experiement is not so succssful. Thanks. WD7F John in Tucson Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/496 - Release Date: 10/24/2006 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: TKR-820 PL Control
Yeah...I may use a relay. The TX PL EN wasn't the thing I needed. However, the green wire was it. (Thanks Juan) I figure it's not a big deal to short it out because it's the wiper of a 47K pot, not the direct output of an amp. I tried it this evening and it works. The signal level was about 170 mV nominal. Now, I have to switch it with COR which is available in that module too. So, I'm thinking I'll use a reed relay to do the job. It should be quick enough. What's good about it is the regular PL works as advertised while DPL can be switched on with COR. So the plan is to link with DPL and let the repeater do it's regular thing with PL. Thanks Skipp. de WD7F John - Original Message - From: skipp025 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 7:41 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: TKR-820 PL Control The green wire is the encode tone, just ground it or put a SPST switch of your choice and control it with your controller or with COR from the receiver, I vote for the relay spdt or dpdt method... even using a 4.7k resistor as a termination. Maybe not in this case... but it's not always wise to ground an (audio) amplifier output. A 220pf disc cap over the 4.7k load resistor keep stray rf under control. cheers, skipp Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/496 - Release Date: 10/24/2006 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-820 PL Control
Mark (or anyone on the list), is there a Kenwood manual that explains events in the repeater concerned with muting, PL DPL, etc.? I have successfully controled DPL (Tone) on the transmitter to facilitate linking using digital PL so that there's not tone transmitted unless there is a valid received signal. It appears to be pretty clean, but one of the locals that uses Motorola radios says something about the 46 Hz is missingstands to reason since I kill the tone as soon as the COS is dropped. I undestand that during a normal transmitter unkey, there is reverse burst or 46 Hz transmission or something like that to squelch compatible receivers. Sure would like a clear explanation of that. If I knew what I was looking for I might figure out how the signaling unit functions in that respect and come up with a method to make a clean Motorola squelch sequence contolled by COS. Any help would be appreciated. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: N9WYS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 5:32 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-820 PL Control John, Do you have the manual for this repeater? (Sorry - I've been only kinda following this thread...) If not, I have it in PDF on my ftp server. Let me know if you need access to it and I can set it up for you. E-mail direct to: n9wys at ameritech dot net Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of WD7F - John in Tucson Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:27 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: TKR-820 PL Control John P Slusser wrote: Thanks. I'm going to try that on the internal PLL unit. If that doesn't work I'll acquire an external encoder. I'm going to try to link using DPL and use PL for user repeater access. This will be a first for me. I was hoping that someone had in-depth experience with the Kenwood and might share a method. John in Tucson I couldn't tell you which pin it is, but encode tone is available on one of the connectors on the tone panel/controller board in the top of the repeater (the board were the tone EEPROM is located). You should be able to find it with the manual and either interrupt it, or pull it to ground when no tone is desired. Then just bring the control line for that out a spare pin on the molex on the back where everything else plugs in. There is one or two that can be used. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Rgr. I opened it up yesterday evening and found the enable on the module responsible for encoding. And that signal originates in the tone panel as you mention. I'm going to test that theory first. Also, I want to see how disabling the PL will effect the squelch heard on a user's radio. I still may elect to use an external encoder if my experiement is not so succssful. Thanks. WD7F John in Tucson Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/496 - Release Date: 10/24/2006 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-820 PL Control
Thanks Eric. At least I understand the basics now. John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 7:52 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-820 PL Control John, Reverse burst is used only in CTCSS, AKA PL tone. When digital subaudible coding (CDCSS, AKA DPL) is used, a 134 Hz analog tone is transmitted at the end of the message to close the squelch. In both CTCSS and CDCSS, the transmitter carrier is held on for 180 milliseconds or so after PTT is released, so that the CTCSS tone can be shifted in phase (reverse burst) or the CDCSS turnoff tone of 134 Hz can be sent. Either scheme will mute the receiver's audio while the carrier is still present, eliminating the annoying squelch crash that would otherwise occur. One possible benefit of using CDCSS on a linked repeater network, where each repeater uses a different digital code, is that the 134 Hz turnoff tone is common to all CDCSS codes, causing every linked repeater to mute at the same time rather than sequentially. The down side, of course, is that relatively few radios made for the Amateur Radio market have either CDCSS with the 134 Hz turnoff tone or CTCSS with reverse burst capability. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of WD7F - John in Tucson Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 7:25 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-820 PL Control Mark (or anyone on the list), is there a Kenwood manual that explains events in the repeater concerned with muting, PL DPL, etc.? I have successfully controled DPL (Tone) on the transmitter to facilitate linking using digital PL so that there's not tone transmitted unless there is a valid received signal. It appears to be pretty clean, but one of the locals that uses Motorola radios says something about the 46 Hz is missingstands to reason since I kill the tone as soon as the COS is dropped. I undestand that during a normal transmitter unkey, there is reverse burst or 46 Hz transmission or something like that to squelch compatible receivers. Sure would like a clear explanation of that. If I knew what I was looking for I might figure out how the signaling unit functions in that respect and come up with a method to make a clean Motorola squelch sequence contolled by COS. Any help would be appreciated. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: N9WYS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 5:32 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-820 PL Control John, Do you have the manual for this repeater? (Sorry - I've been only kinda following this thread...) If not, I have it in PDF on my ftp server. Let me know if you need access to it and I can set it up for you. E-mail direct to: n9wys at ameritech dot net Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of WD7F - John in Tucson Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 2:27 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: TKR-820 PL Control John P Slusser wrote: Thanks. I'm going to try that on the internal PLL unit. If that doesn't work I'll acquire an external encoder. I'm going to try to link using DPL and use PL for user repeater access. This will be a first for me. I was hoping that someone had in-depth experience with the Kenwood and might share a method. John in Tucson I couldn't tell you which pin it is, but encode tone is available on one of the connectors on the tone panel/controller board in the top of the repeater (the board were the tone EEPROM is located). You should be able to find it with the manual and either interrupt it, or pull it to ground when no tone is desired. Then just bring the control line for that out a spare pin on the molex on the back where everything else plugs in. There is one or two that can be used. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Rgr. I opened it up yesterday evening and found the enable on the module responsible for encoding. And that signal originates in the tone panel as you mention. I'm going to test that theory first. Also, I want to see how disabling the PL will effect the squelch heard on a user's radio. I still may elect to use an external encoder if my experiement is not so succssful. Thanks. WD7F John in Tucson Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.11/496 - Release Date: 10/24/2006 Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.16/504 - Release Date: 10/27/2006 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood KPT-20 ROM Unit
Thanks. That's quite a bit of info...I'll study it over a beer maybe. John - Original Message - From: DCFluX To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2006 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Kenwood KPT-20 ROM Unit See attached .DOC, This is a rough cut, it has some typographical errors. On 11/15/06, WD7F - John in Tucson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone here have a good understanding of this unit and possibly help step me through a signal change on the 9346 EPROM? I'd be happy to phone or e-mail direct. de WD7F John in Tucson No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.3/530 - Release Date: 11/11/2006
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood KPT-20 ROM Unit
I have the manual...it says KPT-2R Instruction Manual...not easy to understand. - Original Message - From: kb8sxk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2006 8:38 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Kenwood KPT-20 ROM Unit I have the manual for KPT-20 Programmer on cd if interested. Let me know Jeff KB8SXK Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.6/535 - Release Date: 11/15/2006 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
[Repeater-Builder] TKR-720/820
Can anyone tell me a source for parts for the TKR-720/820 repeater. Is Kenwood the only source? I have a Signaling Unit that crapped out. Somebody on the board is dragging down the 5V regulated and it's not easy for this old guy to see that tiny stuff, let alone solder it. de WD7F John in Tucson Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-720/820
I suffer with the inability to walk away from an electronics malfunction...can't sleep, can't think of anything else. Turns out that the 22 uFD electrolytic where the 12.8 V comes into the signaling unit had failed. I took it out and the thing worked for a few seconds. I measured the resistance of the in-series 10 ohm surface mount resistor preceeding the cap and it was reading 750 ohms. I jumped it with a 10 ohm resistor and everything started working. I suppose the heat from the soldering iron may have screwed up that resistor, but it seems unlikely. Danged if I know! Ain't electronics fun? Anyway, I STILL wonder if it's possible to find circuit boards for the TKR720/820. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: WD7F - John in Tucson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 12:46 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-720/820 Can anyone tell me a source for parts for the TKR-720/820 repeater. Is Kenwood the only source? I have a Signaling Unit that crapped out. Somebody on the board is dragging down the 5V regulated and it's not easy for this old guy to see that tiny stuff, let alone solder it. de WD7F John in Tucson Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.16/552 - Release Date: 11/26/2006 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-720/820
Thank you..$178.14 or $188.27 for the signaling unit. Better than buying another repeater. I have the URLs bookmarked. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Jeff Hunt / ICS Radio [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 4:18 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-720/820 www.kenwoodparts.com www.partstore.com Jeff -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Maire-Radios Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 2:10 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-720/820 Kenwood has a parts depot in both the west cost and east cost. I am not sure if they sell to non dealers. John - Original Message - From: WD7F - John in Tucson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, November 26, 2006 2:46 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] TKR-720/820 Can anyone tell me a source for parts for the TKR-720/820 repeater. Is Kenwood the only source? I have a Signaling Unit that crapped out. Somebody on the board is dragging down the 5V regulated and it's not easy for this old guy to see that tiny stuff, let alone solder it. de WD7F John in Tucson Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.14.16/552 - Release Date: 11/26/2006 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Bomar Crystals Ordered, all the RX not working for GE EXEC II mobiles
Curious as to what is different in the crystal when it is cut for low side vs high side. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 10:55 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Bomar Crystals Ordered, all the RX not working for GE EXEC II mobiles Yes, it is a sensitive adjustment. How can an LO crystal not be either high or low side injection? When you order a receive crystal for a Mastr II or Exec II radio, you must state whether it will be used for high or low side injection. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mathew Quaife Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 9:31 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Bomar Crystals Ordered, all the RX not working for GE EXEC II mobiles I ordered just the xtals from them. One the UHF version, the crystals that I had tuned them up are at 434.850, was neither high or low side injection. The xtal that I put in this radio is at 434.875 MHz with a high side injection. Could it be that far off. Mathew Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mathew, Did you order just bare crystals to put in some existing channel elements, or did you send the elements to Bomar and have them compensated with the new crystals? That may be part of the problem, but usually the lack of compensation doesn't prevent the crystal from operating- it just might allow them to drift more than the specified tolerance. Since the Exec II radio has tuning adjustments in both the oscillator-multiplier and the RF assembly, the non-operation may be nothing more than a lack of tuning. If the previous frequencies are far removed from the new frequencies, the tuning may be so far off that the oscillator is not even working. What channel frequencies were used previously? It may be that some components may need to be changed to optimize the radios for out-of-band operation. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Mathew Quaife Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 9:09 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Bowmar Crystals Ordered, all the RX not working for GE EXEC II mobiles Thanks Chuck, found them in the list that was referenced. So these are correct, why do they not work? Anyone with any good ideas? Mathew Chuck Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:kelsey%40madbbs.com wrote: For high side, high band -- F+11.2/9 For high side, UHF -- F+11.2/27 Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Mathew Quaife mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:n9lv%40yahoo.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Bowmar Crystals Ordered, all the RX not working for GE EXEC II mobiles Thanks Chuck, that is what they sent me, so your math is just fine. Then there must be something I am missing. I can take one of the old xtals and they work out just fine, so I know the receivers are working. Might I ask what the formula you used was? It's been a long time since I have calculated a crystal freq. so just need the formula configuration. Mathew Chuck Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:kelsey%40madbbs.com wrote: If my hasty math is correct: 144.81 low side = 14.84 144.81 high side = 17.33 434.875 low side = 16.39537 434.875 high side = 16.521296 Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: n9lv [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:n9lv%40yahoo.com mailto:n9lv%40yahoo.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 10:40 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Bowmar Crystals Ordered, all the RX not working for GE EXEC II mobiles Hope someone can help shed some light here. I ordered xtals from Bomar (3 week wait) for the GE EXEC II mobile radios, 6 for RX for 144.810 and one RX of 434.875, all high side injection. None of them are working at all. At the same time I ordered tx xtals for the same radio, they all work just fine. What might I be missing here, or did they just cut them all wrong. Mathew __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.2/613 - Release Date: 1/1/2007 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http
Re: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Bomar Crystals Ordered, all the RX not working for GE EXEC II mobiles
I misunderstood. If I order a crystal at a particular frequency for low side, it's obvious that it would be different for a high side receiver. I thought you were implying that there was some nuance between using one for upper vs lower and as an Inquiring Mind I wanted to know. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Chuck Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 11:24 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Bomar Crystals Ordered, all the RX not working for GE EXEC II mobiles It is simply cut to a different frequency. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: WD7F - John in Tucson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Bomar Crystals Ordered, all the RX not working for GE EXEC II mobiles Curious as to what is different in the crystal when it is cut for low side vs high side. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 10:55 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] RE: Bomar Crystals Ordered, all the RX not working for GE EXEC II mobiles Yes, it is a sensitive adjustment. How can an LO crystal not be either high or low side injection? When you order a receive crystal for a Mastr II or Exec II radio, you must state whether it will be used for high or low side injection. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mathew Quaife Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 9:31 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Bomar Crystals Ordered, all the RX not working for GE EXEC II mobiles I ordered just the xtals from them. One the UHF version, the crystals that I had tuned them up are at 434.850, was neither high or low side injection. The xtal that I put in this radio is at 434.875 MHz with a high side injection. Could it be that far off. Mathew Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mathew, Did you order just bare crystals to put in some existing channel elements, or did you send the elements to Bomar and have them compensated with the new crystals? That may be part of the problem, but usually the lack of compensation doesn't prevent the crystal from operating- it just might allow them to drift more than the specified tolerance. Since the Exec II radio has tuning adjustments in both the oscillator-multiplier and the RF assembly, the non-operation may be nothing more than a lack of tuning. If the previous frequencies are far removed from the new frequencies, the tuning may be so far off that the oscillator is not even working. What channel frequencies were used previously? It may be that some components may need to be changed to optimize the radios for out-of-band operation. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Mathew Quaife Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 9:09 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Bowmar Crystals Ordered, all the RX not working for GE EXEC II mobiles Thanks Chuck, found them in the list that was referenced. So these are correct, why do they not work? Anyone with any good ideas? Mathew Chuck Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:kelsey%40madbbs.com wrote: For high side, high band -- F+11.2/9 For high side, UHF -- F+11.2/27 Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Mathew Quaife mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:n9lv%40yahoo.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 01, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Bowmar Crystals Ordered, all the RX not working for GE EXEC II mobiles Thanks Chuck, that is what they sent me, so your math is just fine. Then there must be something I am missing. I can take one of the old xtals and they work out just fine, so I know the receivers are working. Might I ask what the formula you used was? It's been a long time since I have calculated a crystal freq. so just need the formula configuration. Mathew Chuck Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:kelsey%40madbbs.com wrote: If my hasty math is correct: 144.81 low side = 14.84 144.81 high side = 17.33 434.875 low side = 16.39537 434.875 high side = 16.521296 Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: n9lv [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:n9lv%40yahoo.com mailto:n9lv%40yahoo.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com mailto:Repeater-Builder%40yahoogroups.com
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Mini Audio Amplifier time... circuit revisions.
I used one of those one time to get enought audio drive to modulate an old Molorola repeater via the line transformer. I used it for a while on IRLP, had some hum but it wasn't too bad. I've heard worse. :-) de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: DCFluX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Mini Audio Amplifier time... circuit revisions. Point of order: Depending on the make and design of your amplifier, Make sure the input to the LM-386 is not left 'floating'. Other wise the amp makes one of the nicest broad-band AM recievers you can get. A 10K pull low resistor is all it takes. Also a 470pF capacitor to ground will help in high RF enviroments. On 1/3/07, skipp025 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm real glad to see a number of you already know about the Mini Amplifier. Just for the sake of trivia.. There are at least three versions of the Mini Amplifier all being the same basic animal. One of the first versions used the lm-386 with a transistor stage in front. The diagram for the circuit was on a paper label inside the case (very nice) and it was slightly larger than the current Mini Amplifier. Working from memory I believe it doesn't need a blocking capacitor in that model. The current Shack version is part number 277-1008 although I also have a version with the 1008c suffix. Adam T. Cately [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish I could mount mine into my line test meter... Also know that Turkey Shaft (aka Radio Shack) sells or sold what you would call the same type amplifier pc board in kit form (some years back). I haven't looked to see if they still sell the kit but you can find mini audio amplifier kits using the LM-386 and a number of other devices. Check with Marlin P Jones, Jameco and KitsRus for those type of items. It wouldn't be much to mount a mini amplifier into a lot of small places. [paste] Sits on the lab bench ready to amplify as long as the 9 VDC battery is good. Well worth every penny! Ralph W4XE Can't seem to find my Battery Club Card anymore... Now I've got to remember to shut the power off or else. s. Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.409 / Virus Database: 268.16.4/615 - Release Date: 1/3/2007 Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: COS output for Kenwood
Hook that signal to the base of the transistor through a 10K or so resistor. That should provide enough isolation to prevent loading of the signal. I hope it's going positive when the squelch is open so your COS will be low when active. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: jkstrsn [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2007 7:40 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: COS output for Kenwood Jim, thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately it doesn't have a receive LED, only a bar-graph which is also used for transmitting. The optoisolator idea has merit though. I have located a point in the radio which changes voltage, but only by about 1/2 V and it is very sensitive to loading. So far I've tried one transistor but it loads it too much I guess. I'm going to try again later this morning, I either need to find a point that switches more voltage or maybe try a fet or something so as not to load the other one? Again, thanks, any other ideas are welcome. Jeff Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.2/641 - Release Date: 1/20/2007 10:24 AM
Re: [Repeater-Builder] PL BOARD
Don, I have pdfs I made from the very small schematic of the 13-509 and one of the Comspec ME-3 encoder/decoder that shows where to connect audio in/out/etc. if you're interested. Reply direct. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 8:01 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] PL BOARD I am trying to Donate to a New Blind Ham, a old Cobra 200 Which is the same as the Midland 13-509 220 Mobile, The problem is I don't have the Schematic and I would like to put a Communications Specialist TS-32 Pl Board so he can get into My 220 repeater, I know it is a old radio but I am sure someone might have the info I need to install it. Please tell Me in Layman terms. Thanks Don KA9QJG Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.3/642 - Release Date: 1/20/2007 10:31 PM
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall
Where? The link in the first message of the thread takes you to an FTP player site. Is there a link on that page that I don't see? de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Mike Perryman To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:01 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall I found it... the guy was on the top-plate of a roughly 500 foot self-supporter... he tried to rip the lightning rod off and lost his footing... serves him right. No sleep lost here... 73 Mike Perryman www.k5jmp.us -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:53 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall What site are you talking about? Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall Take a look at same site for non-entertainment video clip of the guy falling off the top of a huge tower to his death. That should be a refresher for some people to be extra careful when climbing towers. Gary K2UQ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.15/659 - Release Date: 1/30/2007 9:31 AM
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall
Thanks. de WD7F - Original Message - From: Christopher Zeman To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:18 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSseoyHouOM I think he WAS going to climb back down, but ended up going down the fast way. DCFluX wrote: Link? On 2/1/07, Mike Perryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found it... the guy was on the top-plate of a roughly 500 foot self-supporter... he tried to rip the lightning rod off and lost his footing... serves him right. No sleep lost here... 73 Mike Perryman www.k5jmp.us -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:53 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall What site are you talking about? Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall Take a look at same site for non-entertainment video clip of the guy falling off the top of a huge tower to his death. That should be a refresher for some people to be extra careful when climbing towers. Gary K2UQ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.15/659 - Release Date: 1/30/2007 9:31 AM
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall
- Original Message - From: Mike Perryman K5JMP To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:31 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall Sorry, was headed out the office door... just arrived home and see the link has already been posted... 73 Mike K5JMP www.k5jmp.us -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of DCFluX Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 5:12 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall Link? On 2/1/07, Mike Perryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found it... the guy was on the top-plate of a roughly 500 foot self-supporter... he tried to rip the lightning rod off and lost his footing... serves him right. No sleep lost here... 73 Mike Perryman www.k5jmp.us -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:53 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall What site are you talking about? Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall Take a look at same site for non-entertainment video clip of the guy falling off the top of a huge tower to his death. That should be a refresher for some people to be extra careful when climbing towers. Gary K2UQ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.15/659 - Release Date: 1/30/2007 9:31 AM
Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall
DuhI'll never know why I hit the send button after I read this messagesorry. de WD7F - Original Message - From: Mike Perryman K5JMP To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:31 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall Sorry, was headed out the office door... just arrived home and see the link has already been posted... 73 Mike K5JMP www.k5jmp.us -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of DCFluX Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 5:12 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall Link? On 2/1/07, Mike Perryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I found it... the guy was on the top-plate of a roughly 500 foot self-supporter... he tried to rip the lightning rod off and lost his footing... serves him right. No sleep lost here... 73 Mike Perryman www.k5jmp.us -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Chuck Kelsey Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 4:53 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall What site are you talking about? Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] FCC Test/Tower fall Take a look at same site for non-entertainment video clip of the guy falling off the top of a huge tower to his death. That should be a refresher for some people to be extra careful when climbing towers. Gary K2UQ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.17.15/659 - Release Date: 1/30/2007 9:31 AM
[Repeater-Builder] Another TKR-820 Question
The line-out de-emphasized audio on pin 10 of the accessory jack of the TKR-820 is switched by COR. Discriminator audio is continuous. Does any Kenwood guru know what signal is responsible for switching off the audio when COR is not active? It appears that the microprocessor on the Display Panel could via Q6 and R45, but it doesn't appear to be the case in real life. Anybody know. I'd be happy to take it off line or call you on the phone (my nickel). de WD7F John in Tucson
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Another TKR-820 Question
Well, I figured it out. I guess there's at least one guru ;-) who knows how the line-out works. Me. Man, I hate surface mount technology, especially when your only copy of the service manual is a fuzzy pdf from a scan ! Thanks to Dave's (K7IOU) younger eyes. FYI-IYGAS:I'ts good sounding audio, much better than discriminator audio which has been de-emphasized with a capacitor in the feedback of an audio amp in the controller. Kenwood says it's 600 ohms, -10dBm, -6dB/octave, 300 - 3000, however it appeared very sharp and still required a 0.0047 uf in the audio feedback. Since it used switched line-out, it caused a nice little chirp when the repeater input squelched. Discovering how to eliminate the CO switching was the secret. Plus, DTMF detection works great with this audio so it will remain in the configuration. If it's good to go by the critics, we'll put it on the mountain soon. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: WD7F - John in Tucson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 6:04 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Another TKR-820 Question The line-out de-emphasized audio on pin 10 of the accessory jack of the TKR-820 is switched by COR. Discriminator audio is continuous. Does any Kenwood guru know what signal is responsible for switching off the audio when COR is not active? It appears that the microprocessor on the Display Panel could via Q6 and R45, but it doesn't appear to be the case in real life. Anybody know. I'd be happy to take it off line or call you on the phone (my nickel). de WD7F John in Tucson
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Another TKR-820 Question
;-) - Original Message - From: N9WYS [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 2:48 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Another TKR-820 Question To paraphrase a hymn; Go put it on the mountain! Maybe you have the ultimate critic's approval! Sorry - I just couldn't resist. sheepish grin Mark - N9WYS -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com On Behalf Of WD7F - John in Tucson snip If it's good to go by the critics, we'll put it on the mountain soon. de WD7F John in Tucson Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/714 - Release Date: 3/8/2007 10:58 AM
Re: [Repeater-Builder] ICM Crystals Off Frequency?
Doesn't the MSR-2000 use the crystal element that has an internal range adjustment? Seems to me that when we converted one about four years ago, it wouldn't warp high (maybe it was low) enough. We opened the thing up and found a trimmer in there, moved it slightly and put it back together. We were then able to get it on frequency with the external adjustment. I might have been a tuning slug...I've slept too many times since then so I don't remember. However, I do remember opening the element and tweaking it. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Robin Midgett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:02 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] ICM Crystals Off Frequency? Either I'm missing something or ICM sent me defective crystals. I ordered two pairs of crystals to put a MSR-2000 repeater on 147.105 Tx / 147.705 Rx. I've tried both Tx crystals in the KXN1095A channel element only to find the frequency to end up ~36kHz. high. The crystal itself is putting out energy at 12.26180 MHz.; it should be 12.25875 MHz. The bag label indicates them to be cut for 12.25875, but they don't oscillate at (barely even near) that frequency. Should I have to pad the new crystals with a cap to net them on frequency? If so, what value? Thanks, Robin Midgett K4IDC VHF+ Glutton EM66se Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/721 - Release Date: 3/13/2007 4:51 PM
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio)
You're right, at least right about one we converted to 220 a year or so ago http://home.comcast.net/~micorrepeater/ . I don't know the model number, but it's a hi-band VHF 100W continuous machine in the tall cabinet. How do you handle the IDC adjustment? We ended up having to adjust IDC for 800 - 1K PL deviation and left it there, setting the maximum deviation via the controller. I considered figuring a way to modify the PL card or the exciter so that the level could be adjusted independently of IDC. That puppy was a real learning experience for us novices. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Chuck Kelsey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 3:44 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio) Commercial radios also used fixed values. The Micor is one example of fixed values for tone deviation. Chuck WB2EDV - Original Message - From: Mike Morris WA6ILQ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 11:37 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Amateur-Grade Radios (Was: Fixed Audio) At 07:23 PM 03/14/07, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY wrote: Nate, Several years ago, I chastised ARRL Labs for failing to report the basic 2-way radio performance parameters of 12dB SINAD sensitivity, voice deviation limit, CTCSS deviation limit, and center frequency accuracy. I did not get a satisfactory answer, but I suspect that there is a reluctance to disparage the performance of name-brand Ham radios. QST survives on the ads. The league doesn't want to risk the revenue. As the wise man said, he who has the gold makes the rules. Nearly every Amateur 2m radio I have tested has CTCSS deviation far in excess of the EIA/TIA recommended level of 750 Hz, and that level is not adjustable in most radios. Pots cost more than fixed resistors and that would reduce the profits. Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/721 - Release Date: 3/13/2007 4:51 PM
Re: [Repeater-Builder] ICM Crystals Off Frequency?
Why yes, John, I believe there is. - Original Message - From: WD7F - John in Tucson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 7:08 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] ICM Crystals Off Frequency? Doesn't the MSR-2000 use the crystal element that has an internal range adjustment? Seems to me that when we converted one about four years ago, it wouldn't warp high (maybe it was low) enough. We opened the thing up and found a trimmer in there, moved it slightly and put it back together. We were then able to get it on frequency with the external adjustment. I might have been a tuning slug...I've slept too many times since then so I don't remember. However, I do remember opening the element and tweaking it. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Robin Midgett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 10:02 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] ICM Crystals Off Frequency? Either I'm missing something or ICM sent me defective crystals. I ordered two pairs of crystals to put a MSR-2000 repeater on 147.105 Tx / 147.705 Rx. I've tried both Tx crystals in the KXN1095A channel element only to find the frequency to end up ~36kHz. high. The crystal itself is putting out energy at 12.26180 MHz.; it should be 12.25875 MHz. The bag label indicates them to be cut for 12.25875, but they don't oscillate at (barely even near) that frequency. Should I have to pad the new crystals with a cap to net them on frequency? If so, what value? Thanks, Robin Midgett K4IDC VHF+ Glutton EM66se Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/721 - Release Date: 3/13/2007 4:51 PM Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.11/721 - Release Date: 3/13/2007 4:51 PM
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Multiple Emails
Yes... - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 8:37 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Multiple Emails Anyone else getting multiple copies of the same email on any or all of their subscribed Yahoo Groups? I'm seeing as many as 10-12 exact duplicates showing one time stamp then the same exact email 6-8 times at a different time stamp. Randy Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database: 268.18.20/736 - Release Date: 3/27/2007 4:38 PM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need VHF MSR2000 Repeater help
- Original Message - From: kk2ed [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 8:53 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Need VHF MSR2000 Repeater help I have a bunch of MSR2000s here. I know the Canadian version was offered as a 132-150 version, but the USA versions I have here are rated 146-174MHz. I know the Micors are band-split for VHF, but from what I read in the MSR manuals, I think there is only one 146-174 slpit MSR, no? I have a number of 146-174 MSRs that I brought down from 158-160 range down to 146.xxx for ham repeaters, and they all worked flawlessly. Both, original base units converted to repeaters, as well as original repeaters. Even at high RF sites. I've never had an issue with a base station (which lacks the additional i/o filter daughtherboard present in the repeater versions). Sounds like either a mistuned exciter which is generating a lot of white noise close to the rx freq, or a mistuned oscillator/multiplier in the receiver. I've seen this happen on Mitreks before. I'm guessing you removed the original audio and keying paths on the Squelch Gate card before adding the NHRC controllers? Eric KE2D --- In Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com, Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tom, The VHF MSR2000 stations generally come in one of three splits: 132-150.8, 150.8-162, and 162-174 MHz. Some of the symptoms you describe result from operating the exciter, harmonic filter, and PA outside of the band they were made for. What modifications were done to move them from the commercial band to 2m? What are the numbers stamped on the transmitter components? 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tomnevue Sent: Sunday, April 22, 2007 3:25 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Need VHF MSR2000 Repeater help I have 2 VHF MSR2000 Repeaters that I'm building up at the same time. Both units have the same problem and I'm hoping someone with MSR2000 experience can give me a suggestion on where to look next. I'm having a terrible time with receiver desensing, transmitter hanging on and audio oscillations (intermittent/random growling). I've been thru separate antennas, duplexer with better than 90dB notch, separate antenna with duplexer + extra cavity. If I run the duplexer antenna port into a dummy load, the problem is less but still there. If I run the transmitter port directly into a dummy load or if I turn the PA power down to about 4 watts (with duplexer/antenna connected)the problem is gone. I've replaced the repeater/duplexer jumpers with good double shielded coax and ground strapped the repeater/duplexer cabinet together. I've made sure all of the original repeater panels are in place. The problems exist with the controller in place and also with a test connector replacing it. One of these was a full working repeater in public service use and the other was a convertable base station. Both have the 110watt PA that I am running at 50 watts. The controllers are NHRC-2 connected to the Squelch Gate card using the procedure described by Skipp May. The 12 inch interconnecting cables use shielded audio in/out cables and COS/PTT wires are not shielded. The controllers are enclosed in aluminum boxes. HELP !!! Tom W2MN Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.463 / Virus Database: 269.5.7/771 - Release Date: 4/21/2007 11:56 AM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] ctcss and dcs at same time?
Tell us how, please. I ended up using PL and DPL but not at the same time. The Kenwood's community panel allows multiple PLs and crossover as required but only one can be used at a time. Another quirk is that the repeater must drop before it will respond to a different PL or DPL input. So, how did you go about simultaneous PL/DPL? de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: mch [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 9:17 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] ctcss and dcs at same time? I've done it successfully. Joe M. DaveH wrote: chances are one will interfere with the other. They would but be present and active at the same time. I have never seen it done successfully. David R. Henry LME Licensed Master Electrician Amateur Radio W2DRH Member ARRL Accredited Instructor - Original Message - From: Jim [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, July 02, 2007 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] ctcss and dcs at same time? ku4zs1 wrote: Is it possible to run CTCSS and DCS at the same time on a transmitter? Aside from the fact that most radios will not allow you to select both at the same time (I will be using an outboard DCS encoder and the built in CTCSS encoder). I am not sure if they are capable of both running at the same time. Thanks. Chances are-the transmitter will be perfectly happy. The decoder on the other end most likely will not. I have never been successful at it, even using a good service monitor with an outboard DCS encoder (test instrument grade, I think it was a Motorola box) as the 'trasnmitter'. Several different radios, none would decode both. -- Jim Barbour WD8CHL Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.9.14/883 - Release Date: 7/1/2007 12:19 PM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Acronyms-a little OT
It's a pilot's term, I think. Missed the target, no target found, missed the interception point, etc. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: George Henry To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 8:10 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Acronyms-a little OT I always figured it was coined by guys who struck out on liberty (shore leave). ;-) - Original Message - From: Richard To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 2:23 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Acronyms-a little OT I'm probably wrong, but I've always thought it is an Australian term that has been adopted in this country. Richard www.n7tgb.net -- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 12:05 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Acronyms-a little OT Where did the expression No Joy originate to indicate an unsuccessful repair effort?
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 224 MHz PA fun and war stories
We built a PA for the high band VHF Micor using two Mitsubishi modules. We had some problems getting sufficient drive out of our exciter conversion and we wanted higher power, so we used two modules requiring 50 mW input for 35W out. Turned into a real challenge. Using an RF splitter to divide the input and a phased power combiner/bridge to sum the outputs, we manged to get a very stable and bullet proof PA that once transmitted all night due to a controller malfunction. The heavy duty heat sink and a fan allowed the brick on the key operation with no problems. You can find it on K7IOU's micor conversion page at http://home.comcast.net/~micorrepeater/220mhzpa.htm de WD7F John in Tucson Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 224 MHz PA fun and war stories
Haven't tried it without a fan. I would guess that the giant heat sink on the original PA would probably handle the heat easily. My only concern would be the small contact area from each module; Would the heat dissipate properly? I have a PhD physicist business partner who could figure it out, but it's about as easy to add the fan. As K7IOU pointed out in the PA site, the fine print on that particular RF module says that the unit was not appropriate for repeater use due to the duty cycle. Not sure why they came to that conclusion. Of course, he read that AFTER the modules had been purchased. So, we went with them anyway. Almost two years later... go figure. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Nate Duehr [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2007 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: 224 MHz PA fun and war stories If a PA can't handle 48 hours of continuous key-down as-installed (fans if one must, etc.), it shouldn't be used on a repeater. You can find it on K7IOU's micor conversion page at http://home.comcast.net/~micorrepeater/220mhzpa.htm Thanks for sharing, John. It's on the must read pile! (GRIN) -- Nate Duehr, WY0X [EMAIL PROTECTED] Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Coax length between added cavities
Repeating the experiment? Hmmm. We were re-cabling a set of Sinclair duplexers for a 2-meter machine and had access to a high quality vector voltmeter. It took three of us Keystone Cops over 3 hours to make a set of 1/4, 1/2 and even a couple of 1 wavelength cables. Later, we repeated the process for a 220 machine and even though we had experience, it took about the same amount of time. My point? It ain't easy ! We just weren't ready to use the time and materials to add an inch to a set of cables and then make another set of short ones. In both cases, things worked out great. Many hams who are delving in cavity alignment don't have a vector voltmeter, so we were in good shape. Plus, you have a warm fuzzy comfort factor if you know your cables are the right length when you start the job. If alignment ain't happening, you can say I know it ain't the cables!...right ! And I got some ocean front property here in western Arizona de WD7F John in Tucson So my take is that there are critical cable lengths involved for adding a pure pass cavity to a BP BR duplexer, but I would be interested to hear from anyone aboard who has the necessary hardware kicking around to repeat that experiment and either replicate or refute the results I got. As I said, my sole cavity experience has been with Wacoms, but I find it difficult to believe that this parameter is OEM specific. K7IJ Get a sneak peek of the all-new AOL.com. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.20/919 - Release Date: 7/26/2007 9:56 AM
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: msr 2000 audio board needed
I had a hairline crack where the R1 card plugs into the motherboard that caused the exact problem with my MSR2000. Get a magnifying glass and a good set of eyes and take a look around those pins on the backside of the MB. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2007 8:24 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: msr 2000 audio board needed Skipp- audio level varies from none to ok., good for a few days., then no audio agn. Pots have been cleaned., rotated., pin contacts cleaned, still have the problem. Easier to replace the board then drag the repeater home for service. Can you help? Tnx Jerry VE3 EXT Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.13.39/1044 - Release Date: 10/2/2007 11:10 AM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] MSR2000 + Controller Mushy Audio
Mushy sounds like there's too much de-emphasis. Make sure you don't have any de-emphasis going on in the controller, either at the RX audio amp or the TX amp. I have a MSR2000 with a CAT controller and the interface via the squelch gate card and it sounds great. Have you followed the alignment of the exciter/deviation as per the manual on the 2000 so that you have the proper compression of the audio and the deviation limited to ~5K, etc.? If you don't have a manual that is a problem. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: atms169 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, October 28, 2007 7:23 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] MSR2000 + Controller Mushy Audio Hey guys, thanks for all the tips on the MSR2000 conversion. I now have a running MSR2000 and NHRC-5 controller. I have one problem.. the audio sounds mushy, almost emphasized. I tapped in to pin 17 from the Squelch Card but, I think I'm not getting a clean signal. Is there a better spot to tap in to? I read somewhere I might need to remove a resistor off the Squelch Card but, I have no manuals for this. Any help appreciated thanks! Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.12/1097 - Release Date: 10/28/2007 1:58 PM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Doubling Power Output On UHF Repeater
One more commentlet's see if I can make it without getting egg on my face... The older receivers such as my Collins 74A4 called for a 100uv (that's microvolts) input to get S9 and my Kenwood 820 said 50uv for the same...so that should give you an idea how important it is to give a 59 signal report...hi hi. And then I have an ICOM with two different pre-amp levels in addition to none..so, I could give someone three S reports. de WD7F John - Original Message - From: Ralph Mowery [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, November 03, 2007 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Doubling Power Output On UHF Repeater Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] VSWR Chart for Bird
Hey, he said, while trying not to get any more egg on his face I thought the formula was the quantity sqrt PF + sqrt PR divided by the quantity sqrt PF - sqrt PR . Suppose you had 100 watts of forward and 4 watts of reflected. Therefore 10 + 2 divided by 10 - 2 = 1.5 Your formula says 1.2 divided by 0.8 = 1.5 Well, I'll be darned !!! de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Gary Schafer To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 04, 2007 8:52 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] VSWR Chart for Bird 1 + square root (r/f) SWR= _ 1 - square root (r/f) where r = reflected power f = forward power 73 Gary K4FMX from: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of n9wys Sent: Wednesday, October 31, 2007 6:07 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Repeater-Builder] VSWR Chart for Bird Does anyone have a VSWR chart for the Bird wattmeter (preferably the 4410, since that’s what I have – but I’m not sure there would be any difference) that they would be willing to share with me? I bought my meter used and it came with neither manual nor chart. Thanks, Mark – N9WYS
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Scotchkoat
I buy MEK at Ace is the Place Hardware here in Tucson. I used it a couple weeks ago to clean aluminum facia before painting. Someone mentioned that it evaporates too quickly, however, it as opposed to TCE (which we used very lavishly in the radar shop in the USAF back in the 60s. It's a wonder I ain't dead from that.), evaporates much more slowly. Just wear some painters gloves when you use it. One a side note, Oops is a pretty good product for removing stains. Have you tried that? de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Bob M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 7:58 AM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Scotchkoat It's probably a lot harder to get M-E-K now than it was when we all grew up. Also, in that era before everything was found to cause cancer only in California, who cared about putting their hands in stuff or letting freon escape into the atmosphere. Acetone is probably weaker but easily available at most home improvement stores. If that fails, some 40-grit sand paper will do it, or just wait a week until the skin and goo falls off. Bob M. == --- Paul Finch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That's why you DON'T get it on your skin any longer. Have to tell you though, when I was growing up I raced slot cars and we had some sticky stuff we put on the tires to make them hold better on the track. The only thing we could find to clean the tires was MEK, I used to buy it by the gallon and I don’t have any problems, except the strange facial tic. ((GRIN) that means not really) Paul -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kris Kirby Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 1:13 AM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Scotchkoat On Mon, 7 Jan 2008, Paul Finch wrote: Unless it has something like lacquer thinner in it there is not a chance of it working. On upholstery I don’t know. It depends on what it is, if it’s plastic based I would be very careful. If it’s a cloth material I would try the lacquer thinner then the MEK. MEK also dries very fast. Needless to say, try it on a hidden piece if upholstery first. Isn't MEK carcinogenic in 52 states and France? Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1213 - Release Date: 1/7/2008 9:14 AM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group
Yeah, I misread the post and my brain looked at 110 and recorded 210. The 110 is an old controller. So, it was Duh!, I'm an idiot! It has something to do with being 67, I'm sure. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: MCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 3:48 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group That was my first thought, too. But, when someone talks about the dead RC110 group, and you post that you are receiving mail fine from the RC210 group, I guess I'm just too much of an idiot to connect the dots of relevance. Maybe you could do that for me? What does the RC210 group have to do with the RC110 group in terms of activity? Or was your 'Duh!' meant for yourself because you misread the post? Joe M. WD7F - John in Tucson wrote: Duh ! - Original Message - From: MCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group The 210 group is different than the 110 group. Joe M. WD7F - John in Tucson wrote: Really? I get mail from [RC210] rc210 at yahoogroups.com every day. Wonder what that's about. - Original Message - From: DCFluX To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group Yeah, he says the group has been dead for sometime. Anyway I cancelled the request. On 1/25/08, WD7F - John in Tucson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken Arck - AH6LE de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Jim Brown To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group I tried to join several times a couple of years ago, and was refused by the moderator. My RC110 has been back to Ken Arc and was returned still unreliable. It will ocationally do a reset while you are trying to enter a macro, and will ocationally fail to turn on the audio to the link when it keys up. Mine has never worked and I gave up with no support. NHRC controllers work great! 73 - Jim W5ZIT DCFluX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know who runs the RC110 yahoo group? I've been trying to sign up but it seems it requires approval. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.10/1241 - Release Date: 1/24/2008 9:58 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: 1/25/2008 11:24 AM Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: 1/25/2008 11:24 AM Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: 1/25/2008 11:24 AM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group
Ken Arck - AH6LE de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Jim Brown To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group I tried to join several times a couple of years ago, and was refused by the moderator. My RC110 has been back to Ken Arc and was returned still unreliable. It will ocationally do a reset while you are trying to enter a macro, and will ocationally fail to turn on the audio to the link when it keys up. Mine has never worked and I gave up with no support. NHRC controllers work great! 73 - Jim W5ZIT DCFluX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know who runs the RC110 yahoo group? I've been trying to sign up but it seems it requires approval. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.10/1241 - Release Date: 1/24/2008 9:58 AM
Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group
Really? I get mail from [RC210] rc210 at yahoogroups.com every day. Wonder what that's about. - Original Message - From: DCFluX To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group Yeah, he says the group has been dead for sometime. Anyway I cancelled the request. On 1/25/08, WD7F - John in Tucson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken Arck - AH6LE de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Jim Brown To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group I tried to join several times a couple of years ago, and was refused by the moderator. My RC110 has been back to Ken Arc and was returned still unreliable. It will ocationally do a reset while you are trying to enter a macro, and will ocationally fail to turn on the audio to the link when it keys up. Mine has never worked and I gave up with no support. NHRC controllers work great! 73 - Jim W5ZIT DCFluX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know who runs the RC110 yahoo group? I've been trying to sign up but it seems it requires approval. -- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.10/1241 - Release Date: 1/24/2008 9:58 AM No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: 1/25/2008 11:24 AM
Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group
Duh ! - Original Message - From: MCH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 3:13 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group The 210 group is different than the 110 group. Joe M. WD7F - John in Tucson wrote: Really? I get mail from [RC210] rc210 at yahoogroups.com every day. Wonder what that's about. - Original Message - From: DCFluX To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 11:27 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group Yeah, he says the group has been dead for sometime. Anyway I cancelled the request. On 1/25/08, WD7F - John in Tucson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken Arck - AH6LE de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Jim Brown To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] RC110 Group I tried to join several times a couple of years ago, and was refused by the moderator. My RC110 has been back to Ken Arc and was returned still unreliable. It will ocationally do a reset while you are trying to enter a macro, and will ocationally fail to turn on the audio to the link when it keys up. Mine has never worked and I gave up with no support. NHRC controllers work great! 73 - Jim W5ZIT DCFluX [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone know who runs the RC110 yahoo group? I've been trying to sign up but it seems it requires approval. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.10/1241 - Release Date: 1/24/2008 9:58 AM -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: 1/25/2008 11:24 AM Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.11/1243 - Release Date: 1/25/2008 11:24 AM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: [Repeater-Builder] 220 MHz. Amplifier?
Here's my design for a power amp used on a Micor high band VHF converstion. Not for the faint of heart. http://home.comcast.net/~micorrepeater/ Check out the PA link at the top. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Robin Midgett [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2008 6:23 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] 220 MHz. Amplifier? I have a friend who's looking for a 80 or so watt amplifier for his 224.84 MHz. repeater. Is there a recommended product for this application these days? Mods or kit building are welcomed, as are leads on plug-n-play solutions. Thank you, Robin Midgett K4IDC VHF+ Glutton EM66se 6, 2, 222, 432, working on the rest! Yahoo! Groups Links -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.18/1255 - Release Date: 2/1/2008 9:59 AM Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Repeater-Builder/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: software repeater controller
FYIwaste Waist is what I no longer have ! I'm just round ! - Original Message - From: Ron Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 9:10 AM Subject: Re: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: software repeater controller This was what I was told over 30 years ago...why put a micro on a repeater...a waist. In the commerical world where get input key transmitter yes a micro a waist. Well I did and it opened up all kinds of possibilities. We wanted a tail...add hardware or add software...want a timeout, add hardware or add software...want a tail beep, add hardware or software...want control, add lots of hardware or software with a DTMF IC...want remote base/link add lots of hardware or software with 2 transitors...CW ID add lots of hardware or software. These are the old simple stuff, but very quickly software base control becomes much cheaper and simpler. The with the PC you got all that power including sound card, internet for Echolink/IRLP, etc. However, the better repeaters pay more attention to RF side, but a controller can be fun to play with and can have important expansion features. 73, ron, n9ee/r From: Alexandre Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/06/18 Wed PM 01:29:48 EDT To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: software repeater controller For multiple audio ports these days I'd recommend using USB audio devices. ISA slots are way gone and PCI slots aren't far behind. For an embedded PC controlling radios 24/7 you want something small, quiet and low power, most form factors that fit that description usually have few if any PCI slots. A PC controlling a repeater?!?!?! What is the problem of using a small microcontroller, with some BASIC programming??? You are using a cannon to kill a microbe he he he Ron Wright, N9EE 727-376-6575 MICRO COMPUTER CONCEPTS Owner 146.64 repeater Tampa Bay, FL No tone, all are welcome. Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.0/1509 - Release Date: 6/19/2008 8:00 AM
[Repeater-Builder] SADL or EPLRS ?
It appears that we (mouse in pocket etal) have SADL/EPLRS problems on a few UHF machines here in Tucson. Anybody had any dealings with this government muti agency system causing problems? SADL: Situation Awareness Digital Linking EPLRS: Enhanced Position Pocation Reporting System We have A-10s and EC-130s here and many other agencies that probably are using this stuff in the 430 - 450 MHz range. I get the feeling that I've opened a can of worms. de WD7F John in Tucson
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: SADL or EPLRS ?
Thanks Skipp. Yes, you're right. I'm in the process of locating the guy to talk to. I had a big awakening this morning when I went to the base and tried to find the equivalent of my old job, Avionics Superentendent, and it has drastically changed since I retired in 80. However, through the Command Chief Master Sergeant, I'm on the track and, yes, I'll be nice. I started in Armament Electronics (AE) which begat Avionics Maintenance Squadron (AMS) which begat Component Repair Squadron (CRS) which has evolved into Component Maintenance Squadron (CMS). It's apparent that the military thrives on change...either that or they keep moving things so nobody can figure out what they're doing. Popcorn is what we call it, and we can see what appears to be spread spectrum pulses on the scope. A couple years ago, it would be on during the day and off at night and weekends. Now it's 24/7 and getting stronger. And, I miss-spoke, it's 420 - 450 as you said. At least you give me a little hope with your comments and if I can find that friendly someone and buy him (her) a beer, I might do some good. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: skipp025 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:08 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: SADL or EPLRS ? Re: SADL or EPLRS Hi John, You MIGHT be able to find the contact person for the system. Probably your first task... followed by trying to open a very, very friendly dialog with said person(s). Advise them they are able to operate their EPLRS System below 420 MHz where the interference would be less to BOTH parties. A sidebar question of user authority in the band is based on emission designators. Although the Military may be a primary user in the band, their operation as the primary user does not include the type of emissions (emission designation) output from an EPLRS system. Depending on which wind-mill you want to chase... a case can be presented where the EPLRS emissions are secondary to Amateur operation and the resultant interference is a secondary service, which you could request be relocated. The only real world fix is to find the right person(s), provide reasons why their relocation down the band would be prudent and hope like hell they are reasonable. With the proper politics information and attitude you might have some luck (like I/we did). Then along cave Pave Paws... EPLRS will sound like a popping noise in your repeater receiver. good luck s. WD7F - John in Tucson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It appears that we (mouse in pocket etal) have SADL/EPLRS problems on a few UHF machines here in Tucson. Anybody had any dealings with this government muti agency system causing problems? SADL: Situation Awareness Digital Linking EPLRS: Enhanced Position Pocation Reporting System We have A-10s and EC-130s here and many other agencies that probably are using this stuff in the 430 - 450 MHz range. I get the feeling that I've opened a can of worms. de WD7F John in Tucson
Re: [building-repeaters] Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor to 222 MHz PA Conversion
If you want to see how many hoops we jumped through to convert a high-band VHF Micor to 220 go here: There's a PA link near the top. http://home.comcast.net/~micorrepeater/ de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Kevin Custer Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [building-repeaters] Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor to 222 MHz PA Conversion Kevin, I've been meaning to postabout a similar project, and this prompts me to ask - have you done this to rebuild a UHF amp? I have several dead TLD-1713 UHF 75w PAs, and need a good PA or two at the moment. Rather than messing with trying to find Moto transistors, caps, and Z-matches, I was thinking of stripping the heatsink down, buying two Mx UHF 40-50w modules, and trying to combine them. I was curious as to how they would hold up under continuously linked repeater duty Can you provide some more details on the 'Wilkinson power dividers? I have experience with HF torroid combiners/splitters, but UHF is another animal altogether. Do you sell them with the boards? Is it as simple as mounting the two modules (and the supporting RB circuit boards), the combiner/splitters, and wiring it all up? I'd like to get a UHF one together asap. Thanks Eric KE2D -- Original message -- From: Kevin Custer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joe Burkleo wrote: Kevin Thanks for the information. I figured that if anyone had tried it you would be aware. I was just looking for more than 30 Watts out. Scott and I have been successful in building small IPA's (intermediate power amplifiers) that take the power from the exciter and make 3/4 to 1 watt with a single transistor. This stage then feeds a Wilkinson power divider and it feeds two of these brick devices. Another WPD is used to combine the power. About 75 to 80 watts is possible. We have a prototype that has one brick module (as the IPA) feeding four more, and over 150 watts is possible. We never fully developed the 150 watt high-power version because the single brick PA we build will easily deliver enough drive for any good external 220 PA, however we do have several of the 75 watt versions in service. Can these modules be considered continuous duty if they are properly mounted on a Micor station PA chassis. Absolutely - especially if running one or two modules. In addition, we actually use the MICOR power set control to retain all of its features (SWR protection, power leveling, etc.) The AMP BD that Scott builds has the pass transistor built on it and it is run from the power set control lead that originally went to the MICOR PA. Scott also builds a custom heat spreader that is used to mate the module to the MICOR heatsink. This eliminates the need to machine a flat spot on the heatsink that big enough for the surface of the module. While Scott doesn't advertise these, I feel sure he would sell them individually; they are used in our custom 220 MICOR conversions. The heat spreader is not necessary in a MASTR II conversion, as there are no protruding 'bosses' for the original mounting of the RF power output transistors. The pictures in this document shows the mounting arrangement he has developed: http://www.repeater-builder.com/products/ampbddocs.pdf Good luck and let us know how you make out... Kevin Custer Repeater Builder
Fw: [building-repeaters] Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor to 222 MHz PA Conversion
Forgot to addI never persued the SWR power reducing beyond the simple divider. Our converstion won't drop power all the way to zero when there's an SWR problem..yet. Once, the controller got confused and keyed the repeater over night at about 60 watts out without a problem. I think it's bullet proof in that respect. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: WD7F - John in Tucson To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [building-repeaters] Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor to 222 MHz PA Conversion If you want to see how many hoops we jumped through to convert a high-band VHF Micor to 220 go here: There's a PA link near the top. http://home.comcast.net/~micorrepeater/ de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Kevin Custer Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 7:29 AM Subject: Re: [building-repeaters] Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: Micor to 222 MHz PA Conversion Kevin, I've been meaning to postabout a similar project, and this prompts me to ask - have you done this to rebuild a UHF amp? I have several dead TLD-1713 UHF 75w PAs, and need a good PA or two at the moment. Rather than messing with trying to find Moto transistors, caps, and Z-matches, I was thinking of stripping the heatsink down, buying two Mx UHF 40-50w modules, and trying to combine them. I was curious as to how they would hold up under continuously linked repeater duty Can you provide some more details on the 'Wilkinson power dividers? I have experience with HF torroid combiners/splitters, but UHF is another animal altogether. Do you sell them with the boards? Is it as simple as mounting the two modules (and the supporting RB circuit boards), the combiner/splitters, and wiring it all up? I'd like to get a UHF one together asap. Thanks Eric KE2D -- Original message -- From: Kevin Custer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Joe Burkleo wrote: Kevin Thanks for the information. I figured that if anyone had tried it you would be aware. I was just looking for more than 30 Watts out. Scott and I have been successful in building small IPA's (intermediate power amplifiers) that take the power from the exciter and make 3/4 to 1 watt with a single transistor. This stage then feeds a Wilkinson power divider and it feeds two of these brick devices. Another WPD is used to combine the power. About 75 to 80 watts is possible. We have a prototype that has one brick module (as the IPA) feeding four more, and over 150 watts is possible. We never fully developed the 150 watt high-power version because the single brick PA we build will easily deliver enough drive for any good external 220 PA, however we do have several of the 75 watt versions in service. Can these modules be considered continuous duty if they are properly mounted on a Micor station PA chassis. Absolutely - especially if running one or two modules. In addition, we actually use the MICOR power set control to retain all of its features (SWR protection, power leveling, etc.) The AMP BD that Scott builds has the pass transistor built on it and it is run from the power set control lead that originally went to the MICOR PA. Scott also builds a custom heat spreader that is used to mate the module to the MICOR heatsink. This eliminates the need to machine a flat spot on the heatsink that big enough for the surface of the module. While Scott doesn't advertise these, I feel sure he would sell them individually; they are used in our custom 220 MICOR conversions. The heat spreader is not necessary in a MASTR II conversion, as there are no protruding 'bosses' for the original mounting of the RF power output transistors. The pictures in this document shows the mounting arrangement he has developed: http://www.repeater-builder.com/products/ampbddocs.pdf Good luck and let us know how you make out... Kevin Custer Repeater Builder
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Volt-Amp (Re: APC UPS Charging Power)
Thank you Eric Lemmon ! Your explanation is the most precise I've read thus far. The last line of your last paragraph said what folks want to hear. I started to respond to this thread earlier, but after a few minutes of organizing my thoughts, my aging pea-brain said, Forget this and go get another gin tonic ! What's another few brain cells anyway ? de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Eric Lemmon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:59 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Volt-Amp (Re: APC UPS Charging Power) John, You are correct that when the power factor is 1.00, the current is in phase with the voltage, as it will be in a purely resistive circuit. In this unique case, watts equals volt-amperes. However, when the load is reactive, the current either leads or lags the applied voltage. A typical case is a lightly-loaded induction motor, which may exhibit a power factor around 0.65, which is considered to be a poor PF. Some of the current drawn by this motor is used to create torque and perform actual work, and this current is nearly in phase with the applied voltage. Some current causes heating of the copper windings and the field core, and this current is also nearly in phase with the applied voltage. Both of these currents consume true power and are measured in watts. However, a significant amount of current does nothing but magnetize the field windings during part of the AC cycle, and that reactive energy is returned to the source as the magnetic field collapses just before the field is built up with the opposite polarity during the other half of the AC cycle. There are additional reactive losses, such as eddy-current and hysteresis losses, but the magnetizing currents are lagging the applied voltage, so they are the cause of apparent power which is expressed in volt-amperes reactive, also known as VARs. As was discussed at great length in this forum several months ago, one cannot measure true power with separate voltage and current meters. That is because the readings of separate meters are not synchronized in time. Even if one uses two true RMS DVMs to measure voltage and current, one still winds up with nothing more than apparent power based upon volts times amperes, or volt-amperes. To measure true power, one must use an AC power meter that synchronously measures current and voltage throughout the entire cycle. This can be performed by a device called a four-quadrant multiplier which, as its name implies, performs the multiplication of current and voltage through 360 degrees of phase rotation. One such instrument is a VIZ Instruments WD-767 Digital Wattmeter, which sold for about $925. Another device which has become very popular with Hams is the Kill-A-Watt meter that costs about $20 from several Internet vendors. Although not as accurate as the WD-767, it does perform quite well. As I stated in an earlier post, the rotating-disk kWH meter on the typical residence measures only true power. It does this magic by combining the magnetic fields of two coils: a voltage coil that is connected in parallel with the load, and a current coil that is in series with the load. The angular displacement of these coil windings is precisely set so that only currents that are exactly in phase with the voltage result in a torque to turn the aluminum disk. A small permanent magnet is placed near the disk so that the speed of the disk is proportional to the amount of true power being consumed. Since speed is movement over time, the disk is geared to a register that accumulates the number of rotations, which represents power over time, which is energy. Thus, the meter measures kilowatthours. You pay only for the true power that you actually use; you do not pay for apparent power since volt-amperes is not true power. 73, Eric Lemmon WB6FLY -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Barrett Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:13 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Volt-Amp (Re: APC UPS Charging Power) This doesn't mesh up with what I've learned about power factor -- the impression that I got was a perfect power factor was 1 (one) (current in phase with voltage, equipment using everything the the power company charges you for to do useful work). Anything other than PF=1 meant that the equipment was using the power less efficiently, and therefore you were paying more in KWH than the work actually performed. That description excludes the possibly that the equipment could use more power than the power company records as being delivered (heck, conservation of energy says that in any case). any load reactance (inductive or capacitive) and the very low PF numbers stated sound more like what I get off my linear power supplies
Re: [Repeater-Builder] 2 meter noise help!
Does it sound like popcorn? We are plagued with SADL/EPLRS from the air base here in Tucson, however, it's on UHF. It's sweeping pulses betweeen 420 and 450 and since they have an alert commitment, it's on 24/7. A couple years ago, it only occured once in a while but now it's continuous. I haven't heard of anyone having similar on 2 meters. Just curious. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Joe k1ike_m...@snet.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2009 7:45 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] 2 meter noise help! Have you taken a yagi on the roof and tried to determine the direction of the noise? I find that using the AM mode (on my handheld scanner or HT) is easier to pinpoint some forms of noise. You didn't say that you eliminated the antenna. Using the yagi on the roof should give you an idea of where (or where not) the noise is coming from. I've been off packet radio for years, but one of the experiments I always wanted to do is try and audio DSP unit to eliminate some forms of noise. Many people don't realize it, but you have discovered how destructive noise can be to a packet AFSK signal. I had a bad power line insulator/tie wire combination outside my house that completely decimated my Netrom node digipeater. The signal sounded good to the human ear, but the TNC just couldn't decode anything but a full quieting signal. 73, Joe, K1ike Christopher K. Greenhalgh wrote: While not a true repeater, I hoping the gurus here can help me. Station info can be seen here; http://www.n8wct.com/n8wct-4/ The noise is a subtle low-frequency bacon crackling. It is apparent across the whole 2 meter band. Every piece of (my) equipment has been replaced, or substituted. We even bypassed the filter, turned everything off, and the noise was still present, even on battery power. SWR is fine...the station can be heard 90 miles away. Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.233 / Virus Database: 270.10.14/1920 - Release Date: 1/27/2009 6:15 PM
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSR 2000 simplex base station conversion to repeater
Thanks Skipp...I was thinking there was more info on changing the base station to a repeater and as Oliver said Sir, I want more !. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: skipp025 skipp...@yahoo.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 11:16 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSR 2000 simplex base station conversion to repeater Hi John, Got to lay off the brandy so early in the morning... :-) 3rd one down from the blue bar: sqlgate.zip - Revised MSR2000 to external controller conversion. http://www.radiowrench.com/sonic/so02004.html cheers, s. WD7F - John in Tucson w...@... wrote: Skipp, where on the /sonic page is the MSR2000 info? I know I had a couple extra glasses of wine at my grand-daughter's graduation party last night, however..duh ! de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: skipp025 skipp...@... To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:02 AM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Re: MSR 2000 simplex base station conversion to repeater mike mzfb@ wrote: To complete an MSR2000 and provided you have the correct modules for a repeater, you will also need to put in the correct Jumpers. Maybe someone who has done this could provide just the jumpers that are needed to be installed to make the unit a repeater. Then one could check to make sure the unit is working correctly and then modify it according to the needs of the user. From that point one could tie in the controller of their chose ect. Mike And that information can be found at www.radiowrench.com/sonic cheers, s. Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.35/2123 - Release Date: 05/19/09 17:59:00 Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.36/2126 - Release Date: 05/21/09 06:22:00
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Dual Receive Antennas
- Original Message - From: Jeff DePolo j...@broadsci.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 12:20 PM Subject: RE: [Repeater-Builder] Dual Receive Antennas You can't get there from here. Trying to add the yagi to the omni using power division topside isn't going to yield easily-predictable results. You'll have all kinds of pattern interaction between the two, with new nulls falling in quasi-random areas lacking sophisticated modeling. Your best bet is to feed the yagi with an independent feedline and bring it into a dedicated receiver. Vote the two receivers, or use different PL tones (PL steering). Depending on where the yagi is mounted on the tower and its proximity to the duplexed (transmitting) antenna, you may need additional filtering on that line as well. How much more gain toward the critical station do you need over what you have now? Chances are you're only going to pick up a couple of dB's by using a yagi as compared to your existing omni assuming it's a decent antenna to start with. A 7-element yagi has somewhere around 10 dBd gain, which is probably only 4 dB or so over a good VHF omni or on par with a high-gain UHF omni (you didn't mention what band we're talking about). --- Jeff WN3A -Original Message- From: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com [mailto:repeater-buil...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Scott Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 2:08 PM To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Subject: [Repeater-Builder] Dual Receive Antennas OK, I can't get this straight as to how to do it... one repeater, with duplexer, an omni antenna for TX and RX, and a yagi added for RX in one direction to pull in a critical station. What is the best cheapest way? de NA4IT No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.339 / Virus Database: 270.12.85/2193 - Release Date: 06/24/09 06:23:00 Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.375 / Virus Database: 270.12.90/2200 - Release Date: 06/24/09 12:49:00
Re: [Repeater-Builder] unsubscribe
Why not try to follow the instructions at the bottom of the page? - Original Message - From: b To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, August 11, 2009 3:00 PM Subject: [Repeater-Builder] unsubscribe -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.392 / Virus Database: 270.13.50/2296 - Release Date: 08/11/09 06:10:00
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Spinning disk wattmeter...
Go buy yourself a Kill-A-Watt...less than $30. Has several modes, e.g., voltage, frequency, average power, peak power,etc. and works great for the price. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Thomas Oliver tsoli...@tir.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, October 05, 2009 7:31 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Spinning disk wattmeter... I bought some off ebay a couple years ago I think this is the same guy. I have $25.00 into mine so it would be cheeper to get yours directly from him. tom http://cgi.ebay.com/single-GE-I70-meter-watthour-watt-electric-utility_W0QQi temZ250505742954QQcmdZViewItemQQptZBI_Electrical_Equipment_Tools?hash=item3a 534e4a6a_trksid=p3286.c0.m14 [Original Message] From: Mike Morris WA6ILQ wa6...@gmail.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Date: 10/5/2009 3:17:23 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Spinning disk wattmeter... At 06:34 PM 10/04/09, you wrote: I have one that I use every once in a while. It works well at determining the power usage of a repeater at a site. I don't want to give mine away, but I would lend it out to you. I will want it back, though. It weighs about 15 pounds, so shipping and the eventual return shipment may be more than he wants to spend. I appreciate the loan offer, both from you and from several others, but I think that he (or I) will want it around for making measurements in the future. I found mine at the dump. It is a 120VAC 15 Ampere, 60 cycle, 2-wire unit. I even got the box with it, and I put an AC cord and plug on the box. This evidently came off one of the old summer homes that are around the local lakes of Connecticut. Many of these summer homes were very small and sparse, no heat not running water, from the 1920's and up in time. Electricity was a luxury and they did have 15 Amp services. That's exactly what we need - a four-wire meter (120V in, neutral in, 120V out, neutral out) at anywhere from 15 to 60 amps. And I've seen one that looked like it had three wires (in out and neutral), but I never saw it in operation. Maybe a local electrician around your area may have run into something similar out where you are? This request came in saturday morning, I spent all day saturday on a deployment, and not many electricians are in their offices / shops on a sunday... I'll ask around during the week. 73, Joe, K1ike Mike WA6ILQ Yahoo! Groups Links Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.14.3/2414 - Release Date: 10/04/09 18:42:00
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Radio conversion to 225MHZ
We used a TU-50 splitter and two SAV-15 power modules and modified the existing driver. We ended up with about 73 watts and turned it down a bit. Also used a form of the Wilkinson combiner for the outputs. We ground and polished the existing heat sink to mount the modules on and we know it's just about bullet proof. One at least two occasions the RC-210 controller keyed it all night. No problem. You can read all about it on K7IOU Dave's page http://home.comcast.net/~micorrepeater/ de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Kevin Custer kug...@kuggie.com To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Radio conversion to 225MHZ K5IN wrote: Kevin, Any suggestions for a decent quality 220mhz amp for repeater duty? Micor 20-25 watts drive or pull the PA and exciter in and 50-60 watts output? For 50 watts, we use two Japanese power modules and Wilkinson power dividers for splitting and combining. We build an IPA that supplies the required drive for the two modules, it's a one transistor buffer that puts out about 1 watt but it's output is variable from 1/2 watt to 1 watt. This drives the two modules in parallel and the output is combined with another Wilkinson. I think Scott has pictures - it was never officially written up that I'm aware of. Kevin Yahoo! Groups Links No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.421 / Virus Database: 270.14.20/2441 - Release Date: 10/16/09 18:39:00
Re: [Repeater-Builder] if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site
I was able to use my full name in a search and it came up, however, I had a ship's radar endorsement that's not shown. What good is the GROL anyway? Does anyone honor it? de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Don Davison To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site same problem Don, but a slightly different approach. May want to wait a day or 2...problem(?) From the past tial (and success) I noticed my issue date for the GROL was different than perceived. Perhaps a change in recording created a different date (date of the recording change). What comes to mind is when the FCC changed from 1st class designation to the GROL ident., but I'm not sure. Don kb0caq -- From: Don Kupferschmidt dkupf...@sbcglobal.net To: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Mon, March 29, 2010 2:03:30 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site I have both amateur and commercial licenses with them. I'm having problems trying to access their database. I went to QRZ, looked up my license, then hyperlinked to the FCC web page from QRZ's listing. There I found my FRN number and inserted it onto the ULS license database for commercial licenses. It didn't find anything. Can someone tell me what I'm doing wrong? TIA, Don, KD9PT - Original Message - From: Joe To: Repeater-Builder@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 8:26 AM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] if you have a commercial licenses check it on the fcc site I finally found the link to the database, the FCC makes nothing easy. Here it is: http://wireless2. fcc.gov/UlsApp/ UlsSearch/ searchFrc. jsp;JSESSIONID_ ULSSEARCH= tvF3LwnPwJvK9fNV 5tTvYBFhHq63rMp7 GHRY7yLR3QWF27W6 hF00!-392727333! -1803037743 Only 152 characters to type, error free. Or use this: http://tinyurl. com/yzaby3r I'm in it, so I can now loose my paper copy worry free. 73, Joe, K1ike* * Fuggitaboutit wrote: many people dont realize that the fcc has never put your old grol (ie) on the new FCC data base that was started in the late 90s it seems that if you had a grol before 1998 or thereabouts ( the inception of the fcc online data base), then your license may not be in the database forget trying to get them to look up your paper license if you lose the paper license, you are out of luck and will have to retest you may be able to call them up and tell them your info from your copy these licenses are still classified as lifetime licenses check yours on line on their site just to make sure its in there you probably have checked the site for your amateur information don't be surprised if you think you have a valid commercial license and you discover there is no record of it on the fcc site -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.437 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/2778 - Release Date: 03/29/10 18:32:00
Re: [Repeater-Builder] Legal radios for a repeater
Ah ha! Now I have it...your job title explains the comment about Part 90. de WD7F John in Tucson - Original Message - From: Kris Kirby k...@catonic.us To: terry dalpoas km...@yahoo.com Cc: Repeater-Builder@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, May 30, 2010 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [Repeater-Builder] Legal radios for a repeater On Sat, 29 May 2010, terry dalpoas wrote: I was asked the other day by a friend if you could use an older mobile (Micor, Mitrek, Mastr II and Exec) that has been duplexed for a repeater in GMRS, public safety, etc. I told them that I was pretty sure it was legal since the transmitters are FCC type accepted and as long as they transmit a clean signal. Was I correct on this? For ham use, literally anything as long as it doesn't cause harmful interference to other services. For Part 90 use, something narrowband complaint because the deadline is a loomin'. -- Kris Kirby, KE4AHR Disinformation Analyst
