RE: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(

2007-12-27 Thread Reece Jennings
WOW!  THAT was a mouthful!  LOL @ the 4th time around! 


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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 7:37 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(

Confession Time, huh? I used to watch Automatic with foreign b-movie action
star Oliver Grunner, about an android  programmed to protect humans from
violent attacks who discovers a company executive trying to rape a female
employee and accidentally kills him, which leads to cover up in which the
company sends mercenaries in to kill him and the 
employee.  Have not seen it in a while, but remember liking it the 
forth time around.

Reece Jennings wrote:
 I loved 'Day of the Triffids'...Talk about a double whammy!
 Blind people trying to get away from walking, human-eating plants! 


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 -Original Message-
 From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 On Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
 Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:58 PM
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(

 I Love Night of The Comet

 Daryle wrote:
   
 Oh, is this turning into THAT discussion?

 ³Night Of the Comet². AND I bought it on VHS.

 On 12/26/07 12:15 PM, Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 
  
  
  

 Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest, 
 darkest movie secrets.
  
  I love Howard the Duck.

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com  wrote:
  Keith

 I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in 
 the comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :(

 Martin wrote:
 
   
 But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is 
 my
 
   
 milieu!
   
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net
 wrote: I
 
   
 really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to 
 making National Treasure 2 the number one movie over the 
 Christmas weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a couple of 
 years ago, on a Sunday night, as background noise while I cleaned 
 up. I turned it off
 
 with 45 minutes to go.
   
 Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage 
 and Voight (just show me the money!!). Not fun or clever or 
 engaging at all. Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie 
 snob, don't have a thing against low brow humour (saw Knocked Up
 recently and loved it) or mindless action flicks. Im the guy who 
 will watch The Warriors every single time it airs (much to my 
 wife's consternation!) And Face Off? Pure cinematic pleasure of
 
 adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go boom!. Love that
flick.
   
   
 
 But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber 
 in
   
 plot.
   
 
   
 Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book 
 passed down from one President to another that details, among other 
 things, the truth of what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!
   
 
 Please tell me none of you watched it?

 

 National Treasure sleighs Christmas box office Tue Dec 25, 2:27 
 PM ET Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel National Treasure: Book of 
 Secrets raced
 
   
 to $65 million during its first five days of release across North 
 America, distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
   
 
 The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the 
 film opened
 
   
 last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be 
 issued on Wednesday.
   
 
 Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17
 
   
 international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned 
 sequel to the
 2004 smash National Treasure stars Cage as a treasure hunter who 
 flies around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to 
 Lincoln's assassination.
   
 
 Will Smith's sci-fi thriller I Am Legend was No. 2 with five-day 
 sales of
 
   
 $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said 
 Warner
 
 Bros.
   
 Pictures.
   
 
 Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. 
 Twentieth
 
   
 Century Fox reported a 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(

2007-12-27 Thread Astromancer
She doesn't like Mony Python?? Some people just don't understand...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  oh, speaking of certain low brow movies i 
do like-- Bad Santa. Don't forget Bad Santa. I laugh so hard everytime i 
see that crude movie, i almost bust a gut. My wife is horrified at how i can 
find humour in Billy Bob Thornton's portrayal of a crooked, soused Santa who 
curses at an innocent kid while taking advantage of him, but I just love that 
movie. Then she just says oh, you love 'Monty Python' too. I worry about you 
sometimes.

I'd take Bad Santa over National Treasure any day!

-- Original message -- 
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keith Johnson) 

I really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making 
National Treasure 2 the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I tried 
to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as 
background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go. 
Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and Voight 
(just show me the money!!). Not fun or clever or engaging at all. Despite 
what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing against low 
brow humour (saw Knocked Up recently and loved it) or mindless action flicks. 
Im the guy who will watch The Warriors every single time it airs (much to my 
wife's consternation!) And Face Off? Pure cinematic pleasure of adrenalin, 
over-the-top acting, and things that go boom!. Love that flick.
But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot. 
Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down 
from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of 
what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!

Please tell me none of you watched it?



National Treasure sleighs Christmas box office 
Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET 
Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel National Treasure: Book of Secrets raced to 
$65 million during its first five days of release across North America, 
distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened last 
Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued on 
Wednesday.
Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17 international 
markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the 2004 smash 
National Treasure stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies around the world 
trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's assassination.
Will Smith's sci-fi thriller I Am Legend was No. 2 with five-day sales of 
$47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner Bros. 
Pictures.
Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth Century 
Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit Alvin and 
the Chipmunks, saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas Day sales. After 
11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million.
The fact-based political comedy Charlie Wilson's War earned $14.75 million, 
and the Johnny Depp musical Sweeney Todd $12.75 million, both after five 
days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks Pictures, 
warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses.
The box office jury is still out on Charlie Wilson, a high-profile vehicle 
starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as many 
theaters as Sweeney Todd, which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner Bros.
Further down the rankings, P.S. I Love You had earned $9.1 million in its 
first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it hoped 
more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now that 
Christmas-related chores are behind them.
The musical spoof Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story reported a four-day haul of 
$4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas Day 
estimate for the box office disappointment.
Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because they 
will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action sequel Alien 
vs. Predator: Requiem, the Denzel Washington drama The Great Debaters, and 
the family fantasy The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep.
Walt Disney Pictures is a unit of Walt Disney Co. Warner Bros. is a unit of 
Time Warner Inc. Twentieth Century Fox is a unit of News Corp. Universal 
Pictures, a unit of General Electric Co's NBC Universal. DreamWorks Pictures is 
a unit of Viacom Inc. Columbia Pictures is a unit of Sony Corp.
(Reporting by Dean Goodman; Editing by Stuart Grudgings)

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[scifinoir2] Were the first stars too dark to twinkle?

2007-12-27 Thread Amy Harlib

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 Were the first stars too dark to twinkle?


URL to an interesting article from MSNBC
_http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22082450/_
(http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22082450/)


Huge dark fluffy stars.  I love it!

First few paragraphs

The first stars to form in the  universe may not have shone like those 
today,
but instead may have been  invisible dark stars powered by the 
annihilation
of _dark matter_ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22082450/#) , a new study
finds.
And, researchers say, they would  have been gargantuan.
Dark matter, invisible stuff which  scientists think makes up the bulk of
_the universe_ (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22082450/#) , has been 
considered to
have role in the  evolution of the _early universe_
(http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/050314_starved_galaxies.html)  but 
not in the formation of the
first  stars.

_Story continues  below ↓_
(http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22082450/#storyContinued)

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According to the conventional  theory for how the first stars were born,
hydrogen and helium atoms clumped and  swirled together in proto-stellar 
clouds,
and as they cooled, the gas clouds  shrank and became denser. The cooling 
and
shrinking continued until hydrogen and  helium began to fuse, igniting the
fusion engine that powers our sun and other  stars.
Dark matter’s  effect
For the new study, detailed in the January issue of the  journal Physical
Review Letters, astrophysicists calculated how dark matter  would have 
affected
the temperature and density of the gas that clumped together  to form the 
first
stars.
The findings suggest that _dark matter particles_
(http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/070103_tw_radiomap.html) 
interacted so that they annihilated
each other, producing subatomic particles called quarks and their antimatter
counterparts, antiquarks. This annihilation produced heat that would have
kept  the proto-stellar cloud of hydrogen and helium from cooling and 
shrinking
and  thus preventing fusion reactions from igniting.
The heating can counteract the  cooling, and so the star stops contracting
for a while, forming a dark star 80  million to 100 million years after the
Big Bang, said study leader Paolo Gondolo  of the _University of Utah_
(http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22082450/#) .
Large and  fluffy
These so-called dark stars, named for the song Dark  Star by the Grateful
Dead, would contain mostly normal matter, in the form of  hydrogen and 
helium
molecules, but would be vastly larger (about 400 to 200,000  times wider) 
and
fluffier than the sun and other stars.




[scifinoir2] Interview with Grenadan writer - Tobias Buckell

2007-12-27 Thread vhenry_89147
Hello,

Just wanted to post a link to my interview with speculative fiction
writer, Tobias Buckell: http://www.myafricandiaspora.com/books.html

Thanks,

Veronica



Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
Agreed.  While I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen 
changes the whole movie experience.  You will come to love home viewing 
almost as much as the theatre.  Besides you can rent them on Netflix 
until you can by the collections.  I do that with lots of series

Astromancer wrote:
 Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the big 
 screen
  and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) 
 Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a 
 suggestion...

   
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up 
 really late this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I 
 feel asleep, but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i 
 heard an ep of DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember feeling 
 vaguely angry at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour.

 I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. I 
 keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, or 
 getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, Battlestar 
 Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), Babylon 5, original 
 Trek, or DS9. 

 I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9...

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
 start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
 stay with them?

 Daryle wrote:
   
 The End of the Dominion War.


 On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 
 During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
 started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
 movies. So far two were raised. They are:

 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
 Trek Next Generation

 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of
 virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
 superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
 Independence Day

 Got any others



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[scifinoir2] Mysterious cosmic powerhouses explored

2007-12-27 Thread Amy Harlib

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Wow!

Subject: [Hard SF] Mysterious cosmic powerhouses explored


URL to a link in Science Daily News
_http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071220102247.htm_
(http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071220102247.htm)

First few paragraphs

ScienceDaily (Dec. 25, 2007) — By working in  synergy with a ground-based
telescope array, the joint Japanese Aerospace  Exploration Agency 
(JAXA)/NASA
Suzaku X-ray observatory is shedding new light on  some of the most 
energetic
objects in our galaxy, but objects that remain  shrouded in mystery.
These cosmic powerhouses pour out vast amounts of energy, and they 
accelerate
 particles to almost the speed of light. But very little is known about 
these
 sources because they were discovered only recently. Understanding these
objects  is one of the most intriguing problems in astrophysics, says 
Takayasu
Anada of  the Institute for Space and Astronautical Science in Kanagawa, 
Japan.
Anada is  lead author of a paper presented last week at a Suzaku science
conference in San  Diego, Calif.
These mysterious objects have been discovered in just the last few years by
an array of four European-built telescopes named the High Energy 
Stereoscopic
System (H.E.S.S.), located in the African nation of Namibia. H.E.S.S.
indirectly  detects very-high-energy gamma rays from outer space. These 
gamma rays
are the  highest-energy form of light ever detected from beyond Earth, so
H.E.S.S. and  other similar arrays have opened up a new branch of astronomy.
The gamma rays themselves are absorbed by gases high up in Earth’s
atmosphere. But as the gamma rays interact with air molecules, they produce 
subatomic
particles that radiate a blue-colored light known as Cherenkov  radiation.
H.E.S.S. detects this blue light, whose intensity and direction  reveals the
energy and position of the gamma-ray source.
The H.E.S.S. observations were groundbreaking, but the array’s images aren’t
 sharp enough to reveal the exact location where particles are being
accelerated  or how the particles are being accelerated. To solve this 
problem,
several teams  aimed Suzaku in the direction of some of these H.E.S.S. 
sources. Any
object  capable of emitting high-energy gamma rays will also produce X-rays,
and Suzaku  is particularly sensitive to high-energy (hard) X-rays.
When Anada and his colleagues pointed Suzaku at a source known as HESS
J1837-069 (the numerals express the object’s sky coordinates), the X-ray 
spectrum
closely resembled X-ray spectra of pulsar wind nebulae — gaseous clouds 
that
are sculpted by winds blown off by collapsed stars known as pulsars. Pulsar
wind nebulae emit hard X-rays, and their X-ray output remains relatively
constant over long timescales. The origin of the gamma-ray emission from 
HESS
J1837-069 remains unclear, but we suspect that this source is a pulsar wind
nebula from the Suzaku observation, says Anada.
NASA’s Chandra X-ray Observatory and the European Space Agency’s XMM-Newton
X-ray Observatory have revealed that other H.E.S.S. sources are also pulsar
wind  nebulae. These combined gamma-ray and X-ray observations are revealing
that  pulsar wind nebulae are more common and more energetic than 
astronomers
had  expected.
Another group, led by Hironori Matsumoto of the University of Kyoto in 
Japan,
 targeted Suzaku on HESS J1614-518. This source belongs to a class of 
objects
 known as dark particle accelerators because their ultrahigh energies
suggest  they are accelerating particles to near-light speed, turning them 
into
cosmic  rays. But what are these objects, and what kinds of particles are 
being
accelerated?



[scifinoir2] toys toys toys was Re: National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(

2007-12-27 Thread tetsuwanatom1
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 

Tetsu-chan has much love for Thomas. I stumble over Thomas and 
Friends every night and every morning. Wooden (wifey's preference), 
die cast, plastic, no matter, he wants them . . . ALL.

However, I pulled a JACK move and introduced him to the adventures of 
Superman and Batman on Jetix. He may well be too young but I'm 
starting him early. To that end, I bought him a set of JUSTICE LEAGUE 
figures (based on the CN animation). Thing is, the figures kind of 
suck. Too hard to stand up for a 3 year old. Anyone collecting these 
sets have any recommendations?

 What a great way to head of the mania...and a smarter investment! I 
have
 taken a cursory scan of eBay to see what the value of all the metal 
sets and
 trains he has (the Thomas recall affected a very specific model 
that we
 didn¹t have) --  and it¹s not that great a return.
 
 
 On 12/26/07 3:14 PM, James Landrith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   
   
   
  
  Fortunately, my son skipped out on Thomas. He did get into 
wooden trains
  though.  We (me, wife and my father) bought him one of those 
expensive Brio
  sets for his 4th birthday.  For various birthdays and Christmases 
following,
  he received add-on tunnels, new cars, etc.  Charles spent many 
hours
  assembling, disassembling and experimenting with track 
configurations.
  
  At 10, he doesn't play with it much anymore, but being of solid 
wood and in
  excellent condition - he'll be able to pass it on (hundreds of 
pieces, cars,
  add-ons, etc.) to his children.
  
  I think this expensive Brio set was our way of heading off the 
Thomas mania
  before it started...
  
  -Original Message-
  From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
  mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com ]
  Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 3:07 PM
  To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%
40yahoogroups.com
  Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office -
 :(
  
  Thomas is still big, she is just not that into him and there was 
a major
  recall recently, so we embraced her inner Car to make up for not 
having
  the train.  Besides, have you watched Thomas the Train?  What are 
they
  teaching kids? how to be petty, tease friends and be cruel while
  respecting the corporate bosses !?!?!  I'm left scratching my 
head at
  the end of some of those episodes.
  
  She has not seen Static yet, but she loves Superman and Batman, 
so I
  introduced her to Power Puffs last week and she was hooked.  
There was a
  Green Lantern Show? When?
  
  Fortunately, Lazytown and Barney were not obsessive, however, 
Dora is to
  some degree.  Most of the shows, she needs to see alot of I like 
or can
  tolerate.  However, once she is done with seeing them over and 
over  and
  over, I need a break from them all.
  
  Daryle wrote:
   Be glad you missed the ³Thomas² phase. My son¹s the same age. 
³Thomas²
  type
   kids are obsessive collectors,  and my  son is one. We missed 
Barney
   completely.  We did ³Thomas², ³Cars², and ³Static Shock². 
Well, we¹re
  still
   doing ³Static Shock²,  actually. (Because dad is not having a 
³Superman²
   phase without at  least a Green Lantern or SOME brother in the 
mix) I¹m so
   mad they canceled that  show I don¹t know what to do. I only 
have it on
  VHS.
  
   As for ³Lazy Town²...God bless you. That show is entirely too 
damn loud.
  We
   bought those Nick Jr DVDs (they run like 6 hours!) so that  he 
isn¹t
  exposed
   to the commercials between the shows and Lazy Town is on it.  
As much as I
   wanna support the show because of Pixel...that show is just no 
go. ³Dora²
   also yells throughout her whole show, but at  least I can 
tolerate the
   music.
  
  
   On 12/26/07 2:43 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. 
Minor)
   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com  wrote:
  
 



  
   I know it is inevitable.  I just survived Barney and Lazy 
Town.  Don't
   you remember just a few short days ago, I told you we had to 
watch the
   Grinch five times a day and then listen to the soundtrack a 
few dozen
   times or how we have to watch Cars, draw Cars, color Cars, 
build cars,
   be Cars (by poor husband is often Mater)  and play with Cars 
around the
   clock.  but you can't blame me for doing whatever it took to 
avert the
   alvin and the chipmunks tragedy!
  
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net
  mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net  wrote:
   
   Give it up, Tracey. Every parent is curse by one phenom 
of the times
  that
   
   he/she finds execrable, but which the kids love with a non-
stop mania.
  It
   could be that purple dinosaur singing, non-stop, or those 
strange
  Teletubbies
   with their chirping noises and curious drug-induced-
seeming plots. Or
 it
   might even be a halfway decent show that, after the 
thousandth viewing,
   simply makes you want 

Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
We had one for a while, but all this cross continent moving has changed 
that.  So , I have the same dreams.  Hopefully, now that I am getting 
well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a reality

Astromancer wrote:
 I haven't been to the movies in several years...I either rent DVDs or 
 download them off the net...I dream nightly of owning a big screen TV...

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Agreed. While I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen 
 changes the whole movie experience. You will come to love home viewing 
 almost as much as the theatre. Besides you can rent them on Netflix 
 until you can by the collections. I do that with lots of series

 Astromancer wrote:
   
 Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the 
 big screen
 and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) 
 Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a 
 suggestion...


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up really 
 late this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I feel 
 asleep, but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i heard 
 an ep of DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember feeling 
 vaguely angry at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour.

 I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. I 
 keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, or 
 getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, Battlestar 
 Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), Babylon 5, 
 original Trek, or DS9. 

 I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9...

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
 start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
 stay with them?

 Daryle wrote:

 
 The End of the Dominion War.


 On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



   
 During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
 started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
 movies. So far two were raised. They are:

 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
 Trek Next Generation

 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of
 virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
 superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
 Independence Day

 Got any others



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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread Astromancer
I haven't been to the movies in several years...I either rent DVDs or download 
them off the net...I dream nightly of owning a big screen TV...

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
Agreed. While I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen 
changes the whole movie experience. You will come to love home viewing 
almost as much as the theatre. Besides you can rent them on Netflix 
until you can by the collections. I do that with lots of series

Astromancer wrote:
 Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the big 
 screen
 and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) 
 Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a 
 suggestion...
 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up really late 
 this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I feel asleep, 
 but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i heard an ep of 
 DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember feeling vaguely angry 
 at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour.

 I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. I 
 keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, or 
 getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, Battlestar 
 Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), Babylon 5, original 
 Trek, or DS9. 

 I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9...

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
 start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
 stay with them?

 Daryle wrote:
 
 The End of the Dominion War.


 On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 
 During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
 started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
 movies. So far two were raised. They are:

 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
 Trek Next Generation

 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of
 virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
 superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
 Independence Day

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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Studies Show Dyslexics Make Great Entrepreneurs

2007-12-27 Thread Astromancer
Forget it...makes too much sense...

Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  ...and teach THINKING rather than 
train for tests?

That alone deserves a standing ovation. IMO, it's the Guv'mint that wants the 
sheeple thinking inside the box, because the mindless and docile are more 
easily duped/led.

Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I know that Sir Richard Branson (founder of Virgin) is a great example of
this. I've just been reading his autobiography this past week and he has
seen things a lot clearer and simpler than many people who have struggled to
master just ONE industry, and he's a guy who has been a leader in the
record, retail, wine, comics, airline and mobile phone businesses.

I think this opens up a larger discussion. What about the many many people
who are in higher education for jobs and job training? Is it time to
overhaul the education system and teach THINKING rather than train for
tests? 

On 12/26/07 10:45 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dyslexia forces you to look at things in totality and not just as a single
 chess move. I play out the whole scenario in my mind and then work through
 it.… All of my life, I've built organizations with a broad perspective in
 mind. -- John Chambers, CEO, Cisco Systems
 
 
 This is a fascinating article, one of the best concepts i've encountered all
 year. Apparently the percentage of successful business leaders and
 entrepreneurs that have dyslexia (estimated at 35 %) is higher than the
 percentage of Americans who have it (said to be around 15%). while i can't
 verify the ratio of these numbers yet, the concept is amazing. These people
 who have the most difficult time reading basic sentences or directions, who
 later in life deal with increasing difficulty at keeping things sorted and
 organized in their minds, succeed at a very high rate. As the article says,
 this can be attributed to many things, such as learning to study carefully and
 work harder to pull out important facts, knowing what things aren't important
 to focus on at a given moment, dealing with frustration and failure (the old
 try, try again mentality), and most importantly, learning to embrace others
 who might have skillsets to complement one's weaknesses. Charles Schwab, Sir
 Richard Br
 anson, Chambers--all the dyslexics who've succeeded in business say they
 learned long ago to listen to other peoples' opinions, to delegate tasks. One
 guy said, when you have to learn to accept help from someone in just learning
 how to read, you learn to listen to people in your company and embrace their
 ideas without your ego getting in the way.
 
 Something to be learned here in for those of us who are for the most part
 hale and healthy in mind and body...
 
 ***
 
 http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/dec2007/db20071212_539295.
 htm
 
 Why Dyslexics Make Great Entrepreneurs
 The ability to grasp the big picture, persistence, and creativity are a few of
 the entrepreneurial traits of many dyslexics. Just ask Charles Schwab
 by Gabrielle Coppola
 When Alan Meckler, the CEO of IT and online imagery hub Jupitermedia (JUPM),
 was accepted to Columbia University in 1965, the dean's office told him he had
 some of the lowest college boards of any student ever admitted. I got a 405
 or 410 in English, he recalls. In those days you got a 400 just for putting
 your name down! Yet I was on the dean's list every year I was there, and I won
 a prize for having the best essay in American history my senior year.
 It wasn't until years later, at age 58, that Meckler learned he was dyslexic.
 He struggles with walking and driving directions, and interpreting charts and
 graphs. He prefers to listen to someone explain a problem to him, rather than
 sit down and read 20 pages describing it. As a youth, Meckler discovered a
 unique strength—baseball—and cultivated it religiously to compensate for
 weakness in other areas.
 Asset or Handicap?
 All of these things, according to Dr. Sally Shaywitz, a professor of learning
 development at Yale University, are classic signs of dyslexia. Shaywitz has
 long argued that dyslexia should be evaluated as an asset, not just a
 handicap. She recently co-founded the Yale Center for Dyslexia  Creativity,
 dedicated to studying the link between the two. I want people to wish they
 were dyslexic, she says. There are many positive attributes that can't be
 taught that people are generally not aware of. We always write about how we're
 losing human capital—dyslexics are not able to achieve their potential because
 they've had to go around the system.
 It's not clear whether dyslexics develop their special talents by learning to
 negotiate their disability or whether such skills are the genetic inheritance
 of being dyslexic. It's a question Shaywitz plans to explore, along with
 trying to change the way dyslexia is viewed in the educational system and the
 business world. One project at the center will be an 

Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread Astromancer
Sorry, folks...the ABSOLUTE worst save in Sci Fi history was in the spaghetti 
sci-fi flick 'Star Crash'...Christopher Plummer was the Emperor of the 
Universe...a bounty Hunter has found his kidnapped son and he arrives on the 
planet...The bouty hunter and son tell him Sire, we only have 2 minutes to 
leave the planet before it explodes! the audience in the theatre as well as I 
was murmering how the heck are they going to get out of this when suddenly the 
Emperor looks at them and says Do not worry, I am not the Emperor of the 
Univese for nothing. He then looks to the sky and says Spaceship! Halt the 
flow of time! There was dead silence for a good second before the laughter, 
groan and cat calls began. The movie was so bad, I fell in love with it...I've 
been looking for it ever since to add to my collection!

Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I've always wondered...Why 
didn't NOMAD blow up the moment he had discovered his error? oh yeah, it was in 
the script...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about, Kirk saving the day by outsmarting a super 
computer, causing it to self-destruct in self-loathing and unreconcilable 
programming loops? He did that with M5 (How will you atone for the sin of 
murder...This computer must die...), Nomad (Nomad, you've made three 
errors, you are flawed. Execute your prime directive. Boom!) and Landru 
(You are not protecting the Body! Landru! Help me! Boom!) 
-- Original message -- 
From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we 
 started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction 
 movies. So far two were raised. They are: 
 
 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star 
 Trek Next Generation 
 
 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of 
 virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically 
 superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in 
 Independence Day 
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] toys toys toys was Re: National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
I feel your pain.  Mine comes in the form of legos and Cars, Cars, Cars. 
Tetsu chan is a beautiful name.  What does it mean? My daughter has had 
Batman, Spidey, Superman, Wolvervine etc since two.  She loves them and 
has them play with her fairies, pooh and Wizard of oz collections.  Hers 
do not fall, but many of them are twenty plus years old.  My Mom started 
collecting them from thrift stores ages ago.  You might want to try 
finding some small flat metal pieces and crazy glue them to bottom.  
I've seen little metal circles that seem harmless.  Another suggestion 
is to buy some toy blocks that are somewhat flat and crazy glue the 
figures to them.  I hope this helps

tetsuwanatom1 wrote:
 --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 

 Tetsu-chan has much love for Thomas. I stumble over Thomas and 
 Friends every night and every morning. Wooden (wifey's preference), 
 die cast, plastic, no matter, he wants them . . . ALL.

 However, I pulled a JACK move and introduced him to the adventures of 
 Superman and Batman on Jetix. He may well be too young but I'm 
 starting him early. To that end, I bought him a set of JUSTICE LEAGUE 
 figures (based on the CN animation). Thing is, the figures kind of 
 suck. Too hard to stand up for a 3 year old. Anyone collecting these 
 sets have any recommendations?

   
 What a great way to head of the mania...and a smarter investment! I 
 
 have
   
 taken a cursory scan of eBay to see what the value of all the metal 
 
 sets and
   
 trains he has (the Thomas recall affected a very specific model 
 
 that we
   
 didn¹t have) --  and it¹s not that great a return.


 On 12/26/07 3:14 PM, James Landrith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  
  
  

 Fortunately, my son skipped out on Thomas. He did get into 
   
 wooden trains
   
 though.  We (me, wife and my father) bought him one of those 
   
 expensive Brio
   
 sets for his 4th birthday.  For various birthdays and Christmases 
   
 following,
   
 he received add-on tunnels, new cars, etc.  Charles spent many 
   
 hours
   
 assembling, disassembling and experimenting with track 
   
 configurations.
   
 At 10, he doesn't play with it much anymore, but being of solid 
   
 wood and in
   
 excellent condition - he'll be able to pass it on (hundreds of 
   
 pieces, cars,
   
 add-ons, etc.) to his children.

 I think this expensive Brio set was our way of heading off the 
   
 Thomas mania
   
 before it started...

 -Original Message-
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com ]
 Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 3:07 PM
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%
   
 40yahoogroups.com
   
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office -
   
  :(
   
 Thomas is still big, she is just not that into him and there was 
   
 a major
   
 recall recently, so we embraced her inner Car to make up for not 
   
 having
   
 the train.  Besides, have you watched Thomas the Train?  What are 
   
 they
   
 teaching kids? how to be petty, tease friends and be cruel while
 respecting the corporate bosses !?!?!  I'm left scratching my 
   
 head at
   
 the end of some of those episodes.

 She has not seen Static yet, but she loves Superman and Batman, 
   
 so I
   
 introduced her to Power Puffs last week and she was hooked.  
   
 There was a
   
 Green Lantern Show? When?

 Fortunately, Lazytown and Barney were not obsessive, however, 
   
 Dora is to
   
 some degree.  Most of the shows, she needs to see alot of I like 
   
 or can
   
 tolerate.  However, once she is done with seeing them over and 
   
 over  and
   
 over, I need a break from them all.

 Daryle wrote:
   
 Be glad you missed the ³Thomas² phase. My son¹s the same age. 
   
 ³Thomas²
   
 type
   
 kids are obsessive collectors,  and my  son is one. We missed 
   
 Barney
   
 completely.  We did ³Thomas², ³Cars², and ³Static Shock². 
   
 Well, we¹re
   
 still
   
 doing ³Static Shock²,  actually. (Because dad is not having a 
   
 ³Superman²
   
 phase without at  least a Green Lantern or SOME brother in the 
   
 mix) I¹m so
   
 mad they canceled that  show I don¹t know what to do. I only 
   
 have it on
   
 VHS.
   
 As for ³Lazy Town²...God bless you. That show is entirely too 
   
 damn loud.
   
 We
   
 bought those Nick Jr DVDs (they run like 6 hours!) so that  he 
   
 isn¹t
   
 exposed
   
 to the commercials between the shows and Lazy Town is on it.  
   
 As much as I
   
 wanna support the show because of Pixel...that show is just no 
   
 go. ³Dora²
   
 also yells throughout her whole show, but at  least I can 
   
 tolerate the
   
 music.


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[scifinoir2] Saw 28 Weeks on DVD- Plot Holes, Plot Holes ....

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
I've never been a big zombie movie fan, but I loved 28 days.  I think it 
will one day be considered a classic.  So I was really looking forward 
to the sequel.  Well we finally checked it out last night.  It had lots 
of great elements that reminded me of how Aliens complimented Alien, but 
they really let me down with the numerous plot holes.  and now there is 
going to be a third installment in Russia.

Any thoughts?


 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
That is bad!  You paid to see it in the theater?  I do not remember it.  
When did it come out?

Astromancer wrote:
 Sorry, folks...the ABSOLUTE worst save in Sci Fi history was in the spaghetti 
 sci-fi flick 'Star Crash'...Christopher Plummer was the Emperor of the 
 Universe...a bounty Hunter has found his kidnapped son and he arrives on the 
 planet...The bouty hunter and son tell him Sire, we only have 2 minutes to 
 leave the planet before it explodes! the audience in the theatre as well as I 
 was murmering how the heck are they going to get out of this when suddenly 
 the Emperor looks at them and says Do not worry, I am not the Emperor of the 
 Univese for nothing. He then looks to the sky and says Spaceship! Halt the 
 flow of time! There was dead silence for a good second before the laughter, 
 groan and cat calls began. The movie was so bad, I fell in love with 
 it...I've been looking for it ever since to add to my collection!

 Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I've always wondered...Why 
 didn't NOMAD blow up the moment he had discovered his error? oh yeah, it was 
 in the script...

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about, Kirk saving the day by outsmarting a 
 super computer, causing it to self-destruct in self-loathing and 
 unreconcilable programming loops? He did that with M5 (How will you atone 
 for the sin of murder...This computer must die...), Nomad (Nomad, you've 
 made three errors, you are flawed. Execute your prime directive. Boom!) 
 and Landru (You are not protecting the Body! Landru! Help me! Boom!) 
 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

   
 During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we 
 started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction 
 movies. So far two were raised. They are: 

 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star 
 Trek Next Generation 

 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of 
 virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically 
 superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in 
 Independence Day 

 Got any others 



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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
What happened to your shoulder?

Astromancer wrote:
 I will too, provided I don't need surgery on my shoulder...

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   We had one for a while, but all this cross continent moving has changed 
 that. So , I have the same dreams. Hopefully, now that I am getting 
 well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a reality

 Astromancer wrote:
   
 I haven't been to the movies in several years...I either rent DVDs or 
 download them off the net...I dream nightly of owning a big screen TV...

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Agreed. While I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen 
 changes the whole movie experience. You will come to love home viewing 
 almost as much as the theatre. Besides you can rent them on Netflix 
 until you can by the collections. I do that with lots of series

 Astromancer wrote:

 
 Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the 
 big screen
 and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) 
 Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a 
 suggestion...


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up really 
 late this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I feel 
 asleep, but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i heard 
 an ep of DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember feeling 
 vaguely angry at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour.

 I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. I 
 keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, or 
 getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, Battlestar 
 Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), Babylon 5, 
 original Trek, or DS9. 

 I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9...

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
 start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
 stay with them?

 Daryle wrote:


   
 The End of the Dominion War.


 On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




 
 During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
 started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
 movies. So far two were raised. They are:

 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
 Trek Next Generation

 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of
 virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
 superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
 Independence Day

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Re: [scifinoir2] Smith Angered over Hitler Remark

2007-12-27 Thread Astromancer
I gather that it didn't make it to broadcast?

Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Keith, as I was standing in the 
parking lot of my complex, watching fire spatter across my roof, knowing that 
everything I owned (including some comic books, two titles of which would make 
you weep), a reporter (still working for Channel 2, so I'll be kind and not 
mention her name) sticks a mike in my face and asks me the immortal question, 
How do you feel right now, sir?

My exact reply- I feel like I want to rip out your f*cking lungs and feed them 
to you. And I'm still proud of myself for saying it.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
i hear you, i feel for celebs and the fishbowls in which they live. Then there 
are the ones who *seek* the press, yet bemoan their treatment. 
okay, so what did you say (or do) after this fire?!

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
I know that, in H'Wood, microphones are stuck in celebs' faces with annoying 
regularity, leaving them with no option but to say something. As we all know, 
too often, this evokes off-the-cuff responses that can be translated in a 
myriad of ways. Mind you, I'm not saying that Smith actually said anything to 
this effect, or defending the fact that he said it. Myself, I've only had one 
mike stuck in my face in my life, that at one of the worst possible moments of 
my life (as I watched my apartment burning). What I said was easily 
translatable and, had there not been two large members of DeKalb County's 
Finest on hand at the moment, would've resulted in a long term of incarceration 
for yours truly. IMO, the best thing to do in that sitch, not readily available 
for celebs like Smith, is to push the mike away and walk on.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Statements like this almost always get you in trouble, 
no matter what you intend. Whenever you say that an evil person didn't set out 
to do evil, it's bound to cause issues. I'm not sure what the exact quote from 
Smith is, as he obviously seems to think he was misquoted...

***
http://www.examiner.com/a-1122731~Will_Smith_Angered_by_Misinterpretation.html
LOS ANGELES (Map, News) - Will Smith is angry over celebrity gossip Web site 
articles that he said misinterpreted a recent remark he made in a Scottish 
newspaper about Adolf Hitler. In a story published Saturday in the Daily 
Record, Smith was quoted saying: Even Hitler didn't wake up going, 'let me do 
the most evil thing I can do today.' I think he woke up in the morning and 
using a twisted, backwards logic, he set out to do what he thought was 'good.'
The quote was preceded by the writer's observation: Remarkably, Will believes 
everyone is basically good.
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[scifinoir2] McDuffie's BBS?

2007-12-27 Thread tetsuwanatom1
Anyone here participate? Some interesting discussion going down, like 
how much Torchwood sucks (truly does) or the anti John Stewart, pro Hal 
Jordan battle among fandom being about race.



Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread Astromancer
I will too, provided I don't need surgery on my shoulder...

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
We had one for a while, but all this cross continent moving has changed 
that. So , I have the same dreams. Hopefully, now that I am getting 
well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a reality

Astromancer wrote:
 I haven't been to the movies in several years...I either rent DVDs or 
 download them off the net...I dream nightly of owning a big screen TV...

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Agreed. While I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen 
 changes the whole movie experience. You will come to love home viewing 
 almost as much as the theatre. Besides you can rent them on Netflix 
 until you can by the collections. I do that with lots of series

 Astromancer wrote:
 
 Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the 
 big screen
 and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) 
 Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a 
 suggestion...


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up really 
 late this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I feel 
 asleep, but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i heard 
 an ep of DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember feeling 
 vaguely angry at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour.

 I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. I 
 keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, or 
 getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, Battlestar 
 Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), Babylon 5, 
 original Trek, or DS9. 

 I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9...

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
 start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
 stay with them?

 Daryle wrote:

 
 The End of the Dominion War.


 On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 
 During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
 started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
 movies. So far two were raised. They are:

 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
 Trek Next Generation

 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of
 virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
 superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread Martin
(remembers, falls out of chair laughing)

Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Either the 
late seventies or the early eighties...You would remember it if you saw it, 
especially Plummer's Jack Armstrong long, wavy blonde hair! It was a riot!
 
 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 That is bad! You paid to see it in the theater? I do not remember it. 
 When did it come out?
 
 Astromancer wrote:
  Sorry, folks...the ABSOLUTE worst save in Sci Fi history was in the 
  spaghetti sci-fi flick 'Star Crash'...Christopher Plummer was the Emperor of 
  the Universe...a bounty Hunter has found his kidnapped son and he arrives on 
  the planet...The bouty hunter and son tell him Sire, we only have 2 minutes 
  to leave the planet before it explodes! the audience in the theatre as well 
  as I was murmering how the heck are they going to get out of this when 
  suddenly the Emperor looks at them and says Do not worry, I am not the 
  Emperor of the Univese for nothing. He then looks to the sky and says 
  Spaceship! Halt the flow of time! There was dead silence for a good second 
  before the laughter, groan and cat calls began. The movie was so bad, I fell 
  in love with it...I've been looking for it ever since to add to my 
  collection!
 
  Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always wondered...Why didn't 
  NOMAD blow up the moment he had discovered his error? oh yeah, it was in the 
  script...
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about, Kirk saving the day by outsmarting a 
  super computer, causing it to self-destruct in self-loathing and 
  unreconcilable programming loops? He did that with M5 (How will you atone 
  for the sin of murder...This computer must die...), Nomad (Nomad, you've 
  made three errors, you are flawed. Execute your prime directive. Boom!) 
  and Landru (You are not protecting the Body! Landru! Help me! Boom!) 
  -- Original message -- 
  From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
  
  During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we 
  started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction 
  movies. So far two were raised. They are: 
 
  1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star 
  Trek Next Generation 
 
  2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of 
  virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically 
  superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in 
  Independence Day 
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] McDuffie's BBS?

2007-12-27 Thread Martin
I'm registered, but haven't been there in months. Don't know if I'll have the 
time in the near-future.

tetsuwanatom1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Anyone 
here participate? Some interesting discussion going down, like 
 how much Torchwood sucks (truly does) or the anti John Stewart, pro Hal 
 Jordan battle among fandom being about race.
 
 
 
   


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Re: [scifinoir2] Smith Angered over Hitler Remark

2007-12-27 Thread Martin
No, afraid not. But she's still scared of me. Saw her about four years ago, 
when I was out and about. She caught one glance at me and ran back into the 
remote truck.

Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   I gather 
that it didn't make it to broadcast?
 
 Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Keith, as I was standing in the 
parking lot of my complex, watching fire spatter across my roof, knowing that 
everything I owned (including some comic books, two titles of which would make 
you weep), a reporter (still working for Channel 2, so I'll be kind and not 
mention her name) sticks a mike in my face and asks me the immortal question, 
How do you feel right now, sir?
 
 My exact reply- I feel like I want to rip out your f*cking lungs and feed 
them to you. And I'm still proud of myself for saying it.
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 i hear you, i feel for celebs and the fishbowls in which they live. Then there 
are the ones who *seek* the press, yet bemoan their treatment. 
 okay, so what did you say (or do) after this fire?!
 
 -- Original message -- 
 From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 I know that, in H'Wood, microphones are stuck in celebs' faces with annoying 
regularity, leaving them with no option but to say something. As we all know, 
too often, this evokes off-the-cuff responses that can be translated in a 
myriad of ways. Mind you, I'm not saying that Smith actually said anything to 
this effect, or defending the fact that he said it. Myself, I've only had one 
mike stuck in my face in my life, that at one of the worst possible moments of 
my life (as I watched my apartment burning). What I said was easily 
translatable and, had there not been two large members of DeKalb County's 
Finest on hand at the moment, would've resulted in a long term of incarceration 
for yours truly. IMO, the best thing to do in that sitch, not readily available 
for celebs like Smith, is to push the mike away and walk on.
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Statements like this almost always get you in 
trouble, no matter what you intend. Whenever you say that an evil person didn't 
set out to do evil, it's bound to cause issues. I'm not sure what the exact 
quote from Smith is, as he obviously seems to think he was misquoted...
 
 ***
 http://www.examiner.com/a-1122731~Will_Smith_Angered_by_Misinterpretation.html
 LOS ANGELES (Map, News) - Will Smith is angry over celebrity gossip Web site 
articles that he said misinterpreted a recent remark he made in a Scottish 
newspaper about Adolf Hitler. In a story published Saturday in the Daily 
Record, Smith was quoted saying: Even Hitler didn't wake up going, 'let me do 
the most evil thing I can do today.' I think he woke up in the morning and 
using a twisted, backwards logic, he set out to do what he thought was 'good.'
 The quote was preceded by the writer's observation: Remarkably, Will believes 
everyone is basically good.
 Over the weekend, dozens of celebrity gossip Web sites posted articles about 
the comment, many saying that Smith believed that Hitler was a good person.
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread Astromancer
I fell on it, probably tore my rotator cuff...have to have if done before 
construction season...So you're going back into modeling?

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
What happened to your shoulder?

Astromancer wrote:
 I will too, provided I don't need surgery on my shoulder...

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We 
 had one for a while, but all this cross continent moving has changed 
 that. So , I have the same dreams. Hopefully, now that I am getting 
 well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a reality

 Astromancer wrote:
 
 I haven't been to the movies in several years...I either rent DVDs or 
 download them off the net...I dream nightly of owning a big screen TV...

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Agreed. While I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen 
 changes the whole movie experience. You will come to love home viewing 
 almost as much as the theatre. Besides you can rent them on Netflix 
 until you can by the collections. I do that with lots of series

 Astromancer wrote:

 
 Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the 
 big screen
 and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) 
 Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a 
 suggestion...


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up really 
 late this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I feel 
 asleep, but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i heard 
 an ep of DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember feeling 
 vaguely angry at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour.

 I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. I 
 keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, or 
 getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, Battlestar 
 Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), Babylon 5, 
 original Trek, or DS9. 

 I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9...

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
 start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
 stay with them?

 Daryle wrote:


 
 The End of the Dominion War.


 On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




 
 During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
 started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
 movies. So far two were raised. They are:

 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
 Trek Next Generation

 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of
 virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
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Re: [scifinoir2] Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?

2007-12-27 Thread Martin
I own Night Watch, both book and DVD. The book, I haven't had the chance to 
really dig into. The DVD was a little wobbly in places, but a good story 
overall. I'll have to keep my eyes open for Day Watch.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Looking for some flix to rent on Netflix over the weekend.  I just saw a 
preview for Day Watch, that was interesting.  Has anyone hear of it or 
its prequel Night Watch.  Anyone read th trilogy.  It got some good 
reviews.  I never heard of them prior to seeing the preview.  I think it 
came out while I was in Mexico.  NY Times describes it as Star Wars 
Meets the Vampires in Moscow.

See the plot summaries below.

Nightwatch - This first installment of the trilogy based on the 
best-selling science fiction novels by Russian writer Sergei Lukyanenko 
plays upon the tension between light and dark, pitting the superhuman 
Night Watch patrollers (known as the Others) against the shadowed 
forces of the night. But the biggest fear of all stems from the lines of 
an ancient prophecy, which warns of a renegade Other whose betrayal 
could bring chaos to the land.


Daywatch - Anton (Konstantin Khabensky) finds himself in the middle of a 
mythic conflict between the forces of Light and Dark in this sequel to 
Night Watch, the surprise 2004 hit from Russia. To protect his son, who 
has come under the control of the dark side, Anton must seek an ancient 
artifact. But the powerful relic threatens to upset the uneasy peace 
between the two sides and puts Moscow at risk for a devastating 
cataclysm in this supernatural thriller.


 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread Martin
I'm often alone in my weirdness, and I don't think this will be an exception.

I've never liked big TVs. I had a 30 once, and hated the thing. I kept in in 
my bedroom initially, and moved it into my storage room a month later. Since, 
I've owned nothing bigger than a 19 screen. Right now, I have a 13

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
 We had one for a while, but all this cross continent 
moving has changed 
 that.  So , I have the same dreams.  Hopefully, now that I am getting 
 well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a reality
 
 Astromancer wrote:
  I haven't been to the movies in several years...I either rent DVDs or 
  download them off the net...I dream nightly of owning a big screen TV...
 
  Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   
 Agreed. While I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen 
  changes the whole movie experience. You will come to love home viewing 
  almost as much as the theatre. Besides you can rent them on Netflix 
  until you can by the collections. I do that with lots of series
 
  Astromancer wrote:

  Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the 
  big screen
  and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) 
  Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a 
  suggestion...
 
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up really 
  late this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I feel 
  asleep, but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i heard 
  an ep of DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember feeling 
  vaguely angry at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour.
 
  I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. I 
  keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, or 
  getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, Battlestar 
  Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), Babylon 5, 
  original Trek, or DS9. 
 
  I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9...
 
  -- Original message -- 
  From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
  start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
  stay with them?
 
  Daryle wrote:
 
  
  The End of the Dominion War.
 
 
  On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 

  During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
  started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
  movies. So far two were raised. They are:
 
  1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
  Trek Next Generation
 
  2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of
  virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
  superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
  Independence Day
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Saw 28 Weeks on DVD- Plot Holes, Plot Holes ....

2007-12-27 Thread Martin
My thoughts?

They should've left it at 28 Days After.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've 
never been a big zombie movie fan, but I loved 28 days.  I think it 
will one day be considered a classic.  So I was really looking forward 
to the sequel.  Well we finally checked it out last night.  It had lots 
of great elements that reminded me of how Aliens complimented Alien, but 
they really let me down with the numerous plot holes.  and now there is 
going to be a third installment in Russia.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread KeithBJohnson
how is this possible??? I've never even *heard* of this film, let alone seen 
it! That *never* happens. Sounds like a classically bad flick. Gotta find it!

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sorry, folks...the ABSOLUTE worst save in Sci Fi history was in the spaghetti 
sci-fi flick 'Star Crash'...Christopher Plummer was the Emperor of the 
Universe...a bounty Hunter has found his kidnapped son and he arrives on the 
planet...The bouty hunter and son tell him Sire, we only have 2 minutes to 
leave the planet before it explodes! the audience in the theatre as well as I 
was murmering how the heck are they going to get out of this when suddenly the 
Emperor looks at them and says Do not worry, I am not the Emperor of the 
Univese for nothing. He then looks to the sky and says Spaceship! Halt the 
flow of time! There was dead silence for a good second before the laughter, 
groan and cat calls began. The movie was so bad, I fell in love with it...I've 
been looking for it ever since to add to my collection!

Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always wondered...Why didn't NOMAD 
blow up the moment he had discovered his error? oh yeah, it was in the script...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about, Kirk saving the day by outsmarting a super 
computer, causing it to self-destruct in self-loathing and unreconcilable 
programming loops? He did that with M5 (How will you atone for the sin of 
murder...This computer must die...), Nomad (Nomad, you've made three 
errors, you are flawed. Execute your prime directive. Boom!) and Landru 
(You are not protecting the Body! Landru! Help me! Boom!) 
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 During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we 
 started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction 
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 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star 
 Trek Next Generation 
 
 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of 
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 Independence Day 
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread KeithBJohnson
i doubt it, unless i can get about fifty people in my house everytime i see a 
movie! :)

-- Original message -- 
From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Agreed. While I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen 
changes the whole movie experience. You will come to love home viewing 
almost as much as the theatre. Besides you can rent them on Netflix 
until you can by the collections. I do that with lots of series

Astromancer wrote:
 Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the big 
 screen
 and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) 
 Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a 
 suggestion...
 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up really late 
 this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I feel asleep, 
 but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i heard an ep of 
 DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember feeling vaguely angry 
 at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour.

 I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. I 
 keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, or 
 getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, Battlestar 
 Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), Babylon 5, original 
 Trek, or DS9. 

 I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9...

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
 start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
 stay with them?

 Daryle wrote:
 
 The End of the Dominion War.


 On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 
 During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
 started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
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 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
 Trek Next Generation

 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of
 virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
 superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
 Independence Day

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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Bhutto Apparently Killed in Attack

2007-12-27 Thread Gymfig
I admired this person greatly. When I first heard about her I was curios. How 
can a woman be a leader in a Muslim country? I know that Pakistan is moderate 
but I was still curious. I came to admired because she was the complete 
package. She was intelligent, driven, beautiful etc. She did not go through the 
motions of being a leader. When women leaders were not common, she did not run 
as 
a woman but as a leader. She could be a woman but also be to a tough task 
master. I am sure that the other opposition leader could be involved too.  He 
could be far more favorable to the army. Who knows. 
 
This is very depressing news. 



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RE: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread Reece Jennings
Amen.  And let me know if you're successful with that 'normal hours' thing.
I gave
up on that a long time ago.  Seems I was getting stressed about getting to
sleep, 
and that was keeping me awake!  :o)
 
Now, I set the timer on my TV and put on my CPAP before I start watching TV.
I invariably wake up about six hours later rested, and with fewer nightmares
caused by my TV freaking out my subconscious.  That, and I stopped drinking
coffee...gr...
 
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Behalf Of Martin
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:55 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History



Tracey, know this.

No matter how tough those times may get, we're here for you.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com aladvantage.com wrote: I do
not know. I do not think that tops the list - except for the 
prophet's rescue. I would like to see the whole series again. it comes 
on t 11:00 am sporadically and at 2:00 am, however, I am trying out an 
experiment with trying to go to bed at normal hours. Tough times ahead

KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote:
 Well, there's the time when two thousand Dominion ships were coming
through the wormhole and the Prophets simply got rid of them. That might be
the scene, since it was such a neat fix, but that's not the end of the War,
technically. 

 At the true end, Section 31 had of course infected the Changelings with a
virus that was killing them all. Cardassia had risen against the Dominion,
which devastated the planet in punishment. But, the Romulans had finally
joined the Federation/Klingon alliance against the Dominion (thanks to Sisko
and Garak's subterfuge) and the Prophets prevented more Dominion ships to
come into the Alpha quadrant. Still, victory wasn't certain for either side,
so Odo helped broker a deal: he would impart his healed DNA to the
Changelings, and they would end the war. He healed the one Changeling who'd
been running the campaign in the Alpha Quadrant, then travelled to the
Changeling home world and gave them the cure. 

 Perhaps that ending was too pat for him?

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com aladvantage.com 
 Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
 start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
 stay with them?

 Daryle wrote:
 
 The End of the Dominion War.


 On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com
aladvantage.com wrote:


 
 During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
 started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
 movies. So far two were raised. They are:

 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
 Trek Next Generation

 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of
 virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
 superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
 Independence Day

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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread Martin
Tracey, know this.

No matter how tough those times may get, we're here for you.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
 I do not know.  I do not think that tops the list - 
except for the 
 prophet's rescue.  I would like to see the whole series again.  it comes 
 on t 11:00 am sporadically and at 2:00 am, however, I am trying out an 
 experiment with trying to go to bed at normal hours.Tough times ahead
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Well, there's the time when two thousand Dominion ships were coming through 
  the wormhole and the Prophets simply got rid of them. That might be the 
  scene, since it was such a neat fix, but that's not the end of the War, 
  technically. 
 
  At the true end, Section 31 had of course infected the Changelings with a 
  virus that was killing them all. Cardassia had risen against the Dominion, 
  which devastated the planet in punishment. But, the Romulans had finally 
  joined the Federation/Klingon alliance against the Dominion (thanks to Sisko 
  and Garak's subterfuge) and the Prophets prevented more Dominion ships to 
  come into the Alpha quadrant. Still, victory wasn't certain for either side, 
  so Odo helped broker a deal: he would impart his healed DNA to the 
  Changelings, and they would end the war. He healed the one Changeling who'd 
  been running the campaign in the Alpha Quadrant, then travelled to the 
  Changeling home world and gave them the cure. 
 
  Perhaps that ending was too pat for him?
 
  -- Original message -- 
  From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
  start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
  stay with them?
 
  Daryle wrote:

  The End of the Dominion War.
 
 
  On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  
  During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
  started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
  movies. So far two were raised. They are:
 
  1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
  Trek Next Generation
 
  2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of
  virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
  superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
  Independence Day
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread KeithBJohnson
LOL!!

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the big 
screen
and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) 
Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a 
suggestion...


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up really late 
this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I feel asleep, 
but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i heard an ep of DS9 
in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember feeling vaguely angry at why 
it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour.

I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. I 
keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, or 
getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, Battlestar 
Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), Babylon 5, original 
Trek, or DS9. 

I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9...

-- Original message -- 
From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
stay with them?

Daryle wrote:
 The End of the Dominion War.


 On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
 started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
 movies. So far two were raised. They are:

 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
 Trek Next Generation

 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of
 virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
 superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
 Independence Day

 Got any others


 
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[scifinoir2] Re: McDuffie's BBS?

2007-12-27 Thread ravenadal
How does one access McDuffie's BBS?

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, tetsuwanatom1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Anyone here participate? Some interesting discussion going down, like 
 how much Torchwood sucks (truly does) or the anti John Stewart, pro 
Hal 
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[scifinoir2] OT: Bhutto Apparently Killed in Attack

2007-12-27 Thread KeithBJohnson
Holy crap. I wonder who's behind this, and why she, of all the claimants for 
leadership of Pakistan, seems to have been the most viciously and consistently 
targeted? You know there will be major examinations of Musharif, but surely 
he's not involved...? News stories are extremely incomplete, so the body of 
this article might say she was only injured, though the title says she died...

**

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/12/27/pakistan.sharif/index.html
RAWALPINDI, Pakistan (CNN) -- Pakistan former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto was 
targeted in a deadly suicide bombing Thursday. Media reports quote her husband 
saying she suffered a bullet wound to the neck in the attack.
The attack has left at least 14 dead and 40 injured, Tariq Azim Khan, the 
country's former information minister, told CNN in a telephone interview.
Bhutto's husband, Asif Ali Zardari told CNN affiliate Geo TV that his wife was 
shot in the neck in the attack.
The attacker is said to have detonated a bomb as he tried to enter the rally 
where thousands of people gathered to hear Bhutto speak, police said.
Bhutto is said to have been leaving the rally when the attack occurred and was 
taken to a hospital in an unconcious state, the Geo TV report said.
Earlier, a spokesman for Bhutto told CNN she was safe and taken away from the 
scene. 
Video from the scene of the blast broadcast from Geo TV showed wounded people 
being loaded into ambulances.
Up to 20 people are dead, the report said.
Earlier, four supporters of former Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif died 
when members of another political party opened fire on them at a rally near the 
Islamabad airport Friday, local police said.
Several other members of Sharif's party were wounded, police added.
While President Pervez Musharraf has promised free and fair parliamentary 
elections next month, continued instability in the tribal areas and the threat 
of attack on large crowds has kept people from attending political rallies and 
dampened the country's political process.
Campaigners from various political groups say fewer people are coming out to 
show their support due to government crackdowns and the threat of violence.
At least 136 people were killed and more than 387 wounded on October 18 when a 
suicide bomber attacked Bhutto's slow-moving motorcade. The former PM returned 
to the country after eight years of self-imposed exile to a massive show of 
support in the southern port city of Karachi.
Bhutto called it an attack on democracy and vowed it would not deter her 
political campaign.
Today's violence come less than two weeks ahead of January parliamentary 
elections and as many days after President Pervez Musharraf lifted a 
six-week-old state of emergency he said was necessary to ensure the country's 
stability.
Critics said Musharraf's political maneuvering was meant to stifle the 
country's judiciary as well as curb the media and opposition groups to secure 
more power.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread Martin
Thanks for the prompt, folks.

Worse sci-fi save ever- Data in The Best of Both Worlds Part 2, when he puts 
the Borg to sleep. Don't scream too loudly, Keith...

Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Ha! Those 
dumb machines...
 
 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 That outsmarting the computer theme seems to appear every season on the 
 Original Star Trek and Next Generation
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  How about, Kirk saving the day by outsmarting a super computer, causing it 
  to self-destruct in self-loathing and unreconcilable programming loops? He 
  did that with M5 (How will you atone for the sin of murder...This 
  computer must die...), Nomad (Nomad, you've made three errors, you are 
  flawed. Execute your prime directive. Boom!) and Landru (You are not 
  protecting the Body! Landru! Help me! Boom!) 
  -- Original message -- 
  From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 
  
  During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we 
  started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction 
  movies. So far two were raised. They are: 
 
  1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star 
  Trek Next Generation 
 
  2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of 
  virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically 
  superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in 
  Independence Day 
 
  Got any others 
 
 
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread KeithBJohnson
you mean, why did he start babbling Error, error! Must analyze error!  Faulty! 
Faulty! Must sterilize imperfection! ? You're right, they had time to put some 
anti-grav thingies on him, run through the corridors, and get him on the 
transporter pad.

The funniest thing? Kirk *delays* transport for a second and yells one last 
time Nomad! Execute your prime function!, while Nomad is screaming Must 
sterilize imperfection! What if he'd gone boom! right there on the pad?!

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
I've always wondered...Why didn't NOMAD blow up the moment he had discovered 
his error? oh yeah, it was in the script...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about, Kirk saving the day by outsmarting a super 
computer, causing it to self-destruct in self-loathing and unreconcilable 
programming loops? He did that with M5 (How will you atone for the sin of 
murder...This computer must die...), Nomad (Nomad, you've made three 
errors, you are flawed. Execute your prime directive. Boom!) and Landru 
(You are not protecting the Body! Landru! Help me! Boom!) 
-- Original message -- 
From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we 
 started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction 
 movies. So far two were raised. They are: 
 
 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star 
 Trek Next Generation 
 
 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of 
 virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically 
 superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in 
 Independence Day 
 
 Got any others 
 
 
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Thieves steal pair of nutcracker statues

2007-12-27 Thread Astromancer
Hey, Right Arm!

Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Preachify, brother!

Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I venture into my male adulthood, the 
Nutcracker has ceased being the title of anything I like talking about...

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071225/ap_on_fe_st/odd_nutcracker_vandalism;_ylt=AuRcKdNFpv7vMP1gLL._QAMZ.3QA

Tue Dec 25, 1:55 PM ET

Thieves ruined Christmas for one woman this year by stealing the pair of 
6-foot-tall nutcracker statues from in front of her house.

We didn't know anyone could be so mean, Stacie Hoyles said. It's 
terrible to say, but this just took my whole Christmas spirit away.

The 100-pound statues, which Hoyles and her husband, Craig Hoyles, 
nicknamed Mr. Nut and Mr. Cracker, were taken Dec. 7 while the couple 
slept. The couple found Mr. Nut's torso at a roadside about a mile away 
the next day, and Dublin police found other splintered parts nearby.

Officers said it appeared the statue had been dragged through the 
streets by a car.

The other statue was found in a field, partially burned with several 
parts missing.

A neighbor said she heard teenagers stop near her home the night of the 
theft, according to a police report.

The couple bought the statues for $500 four years ago, but Stacie Hoyles 
said the only replacements she could find were being sold online for $1,500.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?

2007-12-27 Thread Bosco Bosco
There was a post on here a couple of weeks ago about Night Watch. I
sought it out on Netflix because of that post. I found it to be
relatively interesting and fun. I have trouble with subtitles but
it's just my poor ability to read and watch TV at the same time. It's
definitely an entertaining movie though not great film either. It's
clearly plot driven rather than effects driven and that always makes
me happy.

Bosco
--- Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I own Night Watch, both book and DVD. The book, I haven't had the
 chance to really dig into. The DVD was a little wobbly in places,
 but a good story overall. I'll have to keep my eyes open for Day
 Watch.
 
 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking for some flix
 to rent on Netflix over the weekend.  I just saw a 
 preview for Day Watch, that was interesting.  Has anyone hear of it
 or 
 its prequel Night Watch.  Anyone read th trilogy.  It got some good
 
 reviews.  I never heard of them prior to seeing the preview.  I
 think it 
 came out while I was in Mexico.  NY Times describes it as Star
 Wars 
 Meets the Vampires in Moscow.
 
 See the plot summaries below.
 
 Nightwatch - This first installment of the trilogy based on the 
 best-selling science fiction novels by Russian writer Sergei
 Lukyanenko 
 plays upon the tension between light and dark, pitting the
 superhuman 
 Night Watch patrollers (known as the Others) against the shadowed
 
 forces of the night. But the biggest fear of all stems from the
 lines of 
 an ancient prophecy, which warns of a renegade Other whose betrayal
 
 could bring chaos to the land.
 
 
 Daywatch - Anton (Konstantin Khabensky) finds himself in the middle
 of a 
 mythic conflict between the forces of Light and Dark in this sequel
 to 
 Night Watch, the surprise 2004 hit from Russia. To protect his son,
 who 
 has come under the control of the dark side, Anton must seek an
 ancient 
 artifact. But the powerful relic threatens to upset the uneasy
 peace 
 between the two sides and puts Moscow at risk for a devastating 
 cataclysm in this supernatural thriller.
 
 
  
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Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for Cloverfield

2007-12-27 Thread Daryle
Yeah I¹m with you on this. I was sorta excited when the first trailer
dropped, but now, I¹m all in. I have a feeling that this might  be the first
time in a long time that the film may be better than the trailer, because I
don¹t get a lot of information from the trailer. Which is SO REFRESHING!
Ever  since ³Cast Away², There has been very little reason to  actually go
see a movie,  because you know what the major plot turn is going to be from
the trailer. Between that and the fact that  a lot of the movies are  based
on stores we already KNOW, Cloverfield could be just what the genre needs!

On 12/27/07 9:41 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:

  
  
  
 
 Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer for
 Cloverfield, the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abrams (Lost, Alias, MI-3,
 Star Trek). The monster(s) isn't(aren't) shown, but talk about a suspenseful
 buildup! Seeing the freakin' Statue of Liberty's head come sailing through the
 air *all the way from the water* to crash into the street? Awesome. There's
 also a scene showing the military firing like crazy at something we never see.
 It reminds me of the great scene in Spieldberg's War of the Worlds when the
 military attacks the Martians on that hillside and the whole area literally
 lights up with weapons fire.
 
 The Apple site has two trailers. The one labeled trailer is longer and shows
 more stuff. it's the one you'll see at many other sites. The one labeled
 teaser gives a slightly different angle. Check 'em out. If you can't see the
 Apple trailers, try the second link below, which is to a MovieWeb page with
 lots of videos, including a two second glimpse of the monster (can't see a
 darn thing, though). Hard to find a lot of stuff on this film, as there's no
 real officiall movie site, but i included some info from a blogger below the
 trailers.
 
 If nothing else, Abrams knows how to tell an exciting, fast-paced story, and
 he actually believes in good plotting and acting as well. he also is a fan of
 old-fashioned monster flicks like Godzilla. So this looks to be a fun ride.
 The fact that the script has been kept secret, along with any view of the
 creature, is only heightening the anticipation. I'm looking forward to this
 movie! 
 
 Trailers: http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/cloverfield/
  http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/53/5153/videos/
 
 ***
 
 http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=10118
 
 What is Cloverfield?
 
 This is the question that has been debated across North America in the hours
 since Transformers debuted the teaser to this upcoming 2008 release. Shrouded
 in mystery since its inception, the plot of Cloverfield is one of the most
 carefully guarded secrets in Hollywood right now.
 
 BOP is generally not in the business of breaking news as it generally leads to
 more aggravation than it's worth, but for the first time since we unveiled the
 voice cast of The Incredibles, we are going to make an exception and do so
 here in order to clear up some of the mystery. Cloverfield is a J.J. Abrams
 production, so it should not be surprising to hear that a couple of key
 players from Abrams' television shows are on board.
 
 The writer is Drew Goddard. Goddard has been a producer on both Alias and Lost
 and served as co-executive producer for the latter show's 2007 episodes. Fans
 of Joss Whedon (and BOP knows there are a ton of you out there since we
 sometimes double as a Firefly fan site) also know him as a writer for several
 episodes of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel. Goddard was the principal
 scribe on Dirty Girls, the episode from Buffy season seven. This episode
 featured the return of Faith as well as the transition of Nathan Fillion from
 the recently canceled Firefly to Buffy wherein he portrayed a nefarious,
 misogynistic man of the cloth. Goddard's work on Angel primarily occurred
 during that show's final season as well. He wrote the World War II submarine
 epic, Why We Fight, and earned his place in permanent Whedon-lore for his
 invention of The Immortal in The Girl in Question. Clearly, he is one of the
 most inventive and imaginative young writers in the industry. His presence
 alone is indic
 ative of a quality work in the offing.
 
 Abrams has not left anything to chance, though. He has also hired one of his
 most trusted co-workers from the early days of Felicity for this project. BOP
 has confirmed that Matt Reeves is the director on this project. Reeves is the
 writer/director of the 1996 David Schwimmer comedy, The Pallbearer, and he
 served as executive producer during the run of Felicity (pre- and post-Keri
 Russell haircut). Reeves and Abrams created that project together with Reeves
 even writing and directing the pilot, so their working relationship goes back
 a decade now. When Goddard came up with the premise for Cloverfield, Reeves
 was the easy choice to helm the project.
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread KeithBJohnson
the mother of a friend of mine kept bees twenty years ago because she was 
developing arthritis. The bee stings definitely improved her condition greatly. 
Though, is there a way to get the benefit from the venom without getting stung? 

-- Original message -- 
From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Never!!! if you have pain, try looking into bee sting therapy. I 
know it sound nuts, but I heard about it on NPR. It is a growing 
practice here in the states and apparently very popular in Asia

Astromancer wrote:
 I fell on it, probably tore my rotator cuff...have to have if done before 
 construction season...So you're going back into modeling?

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 What happened to your shoulder?

 Astromancer wrote:
 
 I will too, provided I don't need surgery on my shoulder...

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 We had one for a while, but all this cross continent moving has changed 
 that. So , I have the same dreams. Hopefully, now that I am getting 
 well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a reality

 Astromancer wrote:

 
 I haven't been to the movies in several years...I either rent DVDs or 
 download them off the net...I dream nightly of owning a big screen TV...

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Agreed. While I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen 
 changes the whole movie experience. You will come to love home viewing 
 almost as much as the theatre. Besides you can rent them on Netflix 
 until you can by the collections. I do that with lots of series

 Astromancer wrote:


 
 Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the 
 big screen
 and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) 
 Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a 
 suggestion...


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up really 
 late this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I feel 
 asleep, but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i heard 
 an ep of DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember feeling 
 vaguely angry at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour.

 I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. 
 I keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, 
 or getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, 
 Battlestar Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), 
 Babylon 5, original Trek, or DS9. 

 I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9...

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
 start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
 stay with them?

 Daryle wrote:



 
 The End of the Dominion War.


 On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





 
 During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
 started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
 movies. So far two were raised. They are:

 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
 Trek Next Generation

 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of
 virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
 superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
 Independence Day

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Re: [scifinoir2] McDuffie's BBS?

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
I did too, but I sometimes forget about web boards I like.  I need that 
email prompt.  I'll have to find it and revisited

Martin wrote:
 I'm registered, but haven't been there in months. Don't know if I'll have the 
 time in the near-future.

 tetsuwanatom1 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   Anyone 
 here participate? Some interesting discussion going down, like 
  how much Torchwood sucks (truly does) or the anti John Stewart, pro Hal 
  Jordan battle among fandom being about race.
  
  
  



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Re: [scifinoir2] Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
Got it on Netflix

Martin wrote:
 I own Night Watch, both book and DVD. The book, I haven't had the chance to 
 really dig into. The DVD was a little wobbly in places, but a good story 
 overall. I'll have to keep my eyes open for Day Watch.

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Looking for some flix to rent on Netflix over the weekend.  I just saw a 
 preview for Day Watch, that was interesting.  Has anyone hear of it or 
 its prequel Night Watch.  Anyone read th trilogy.  It got some good 
 reviews.  I never heard of them prior to seeing the preview.  I think it 
 came out while I was in Mexico.  NY Times describes it as Star Wars 
 Meets the Vampires in Moscow.

 See the plot summaries below.

 Nightwatch - This first installment of the trilogy based on the 
 best-selling science fiction novels by Russian writer Sergei Lukyanenko 
 plays upon the tension between light and dark, pitting the superhuman 
 Night Watch patrollers (known as the Others) against the shadowed 
 forces of the night. But the biggest fear of all stems from the lines of 
 an ancient prophecy, which warns of a renegade Other whose betrayal 
 could bring chaos to the land.


 Daywatch - Anton (Konstantin Khabensky) finds himself in the middle of a 
 mythic conflict between the forces of Light and Dark in this sequel to 
 Night Watch, the surprise 2004 hit from Russia. To protect his son, who 
 has come under the control of the dark side, Anton must seek an ancient 
 artifact. But the powerful relic threatens to upset the uneasy peace 
 between the two sides and puts Moscow at risk for a devastating 
 cataclysm in this supernatural thriller.


  
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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
I actually like small tvs myself.  I do not prefer them, but I shocked 
my husband when we first started living together.  if we both wanted to 
watch tv and view different programs, I would offer to go watch the 
small TV in the bedroom.  I like the coziness.So you are not totally 
alone in your penchant for small TVs.  However, I would not put a large 
TV in a storage room.  I like them too.  Why do you prefer small TVs?

Martin wrote:
 I'm often alone in my weirdness, and I don't think this will be an exception.

 I've never liked big TVs. I had a 30 once, and hated the thing. I kept in in 
 my bedroom initially, and moved it into my storage room a month later. Since, 
 I've owned nothing bigger than a 19 screen. Right now, I have a 13

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
We had one for a while, but all this cross 
 continent moving has changed 
  that.  So , I have the same dreams.  Hopefully, now that I am getting 
  well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a reality
  
  Astromancer wrote:
   I haven't been to the movies in several years...I either rent DVDs or 
 download them off the net...I dream nightly of owning a big screen TV...
  
   Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  Agreed. While I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen 
   changes the whole movie experience. You will come to love home viewing 
   almost as much as the theatre. Besides you can rent them on Netflix 
   until you can by the collections. I do that with lots of series
  
   Astromancer wrote:
 
   Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the 
 big screen
   and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) 
 Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a 
 suggestion...
  
  
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up really 
 late this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I feel 
 asleep, but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i heard an 
 ep of DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember feeling vaguely 
 angry at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour.
  
   I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. 
 I keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, or 
 getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, Battlestar 
 Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), Babylon 5, original 
 Trek, or DS9. 
  
   I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9...
  
   -- Original message -- 
   From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
   Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
   start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
   stay with them?
  
   Daryle wrote:
  
   
   The End of the Dominion War.
  
  
   On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
  
  
 
   During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
   started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
   movies. So far two were raised. They are:
  
   1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
   Trek Next Generation
  
   2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of
   virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
   superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
   Independence Day
  
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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
they got it on Netflix.  David Hasselhoff is in it too.  Totally missed 
this one

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 how is this possible??? I've never even *heard* of this film, let alone seen 
 it! That *never* happens. Sounds like a classically bad flick. Gotta find it!

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sorry, folks...the ABSOLUTE worst save in Sci Fi history was in the spaghetti 
 sci-fi flick 'Star Crash'...Christopher Plummer was the Emperor of the 
 Universe...a bounty Hunter has found his kidnapped son and he arrives on the 
 planet...The bouty hunter and son tell him Sire, we only have 2 minutes to 
 leave the planet before it explodes! the audience in the theatre as well as I 
 was murmering how the heck are they going to get out of this when suddenly 
 the Emperor looks at them and says Do not worry, I am not the Emperor of the 
 Univese for nothing. He then looks to the sky and says Spaceship! Halt the 
 flow of time! There was dead silence for a good second before the laughter, 
 groan and cat calls began. The movie was so bad, I fell in love with 
 it...I've been looking for it ever since to add to my collection!

 Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always wondered...Why didn't 
 NOMAD blow up the moment he had discovered his error? oh yeah, it was in the 
 script...

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about, Kirk saving the day by outsmarting a 
 super computer, causing it to self-destruct in self-loathing and 
 unreconcilable programming loops? He did that with M5 (How will you atone 
 for the sin of murder...This computer must die...), Nomad (Nomad, you've 
 made three errors, you are flawed. Execute your prime directive. Boom!) 
 and Landru (You are not protecting the Body! Landru! Help me! Boom!) 
 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

   
 During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we 
 started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction 
 movies. So far two were raised. They are: 

 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star 
 Trek Next Generation 

 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of 
 virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically 
 superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in 
 Independence Day 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
Never!!!if you have pain, try looking into bee sting therapy.  I 
know it sound nuts, but I heard about it on NPR.  It is a growing 
practice here in the states and apparently very popular in Asia

Astromancer wrote:
 I fell on it, probably tore my rotator cuff...have to have if done before 
 construction season...So you're going back into modeling?

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   What happened to your shoulder?

 Astromancer wrote:
   
 I will too, provided I don't need surgery on my shoulder...

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 We had one for a while, but all this cross continent moving has changed 
 that. So , I have the same dreams. Hopefully, now that I am getting 
 well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a reality

 Astromancer wrote:

 
 I haven't been to the movies in several years...I either rent DVDs or 
 download them off the net...I dream nightly of owning a big screen TV...

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Agreed. While I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen 
 changes the whole movie experience. You will come to love home viewing 
 almost as much as the theatre. Besides you can rent them on Netflix 
 until you can by the collections. I do that with lots of series

 Astromancer wrote:


   
 Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the 
 big screen
 and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) 
 Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a 
 suggestion...


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up really 
 late this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I feel 
 asleep, but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i heard 
 an ep of DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember feeling 
 vaguely angry at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour.

 I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. 
 I keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, 
 or getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, 
 Battlestar Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), 
 Babylon 5, original Trek, or DS9. 

 I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9...

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
 start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
 stay with them?

 Daryle wrote:



 
 The End of the Dominion War.


 On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:





   
 During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
 started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
 movies. So far two were raised. They are:

 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
 Trek Next Generation

 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of
 virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
 superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
 Independence Day

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RE: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(

2007-12-27 Thread Martin
8-O Movie, yes, movie, yes! LMNAO!

Martin (can't go there- likes girls and is allergic to feathers)

Reece Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   
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 Behalf Of Martin
 Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:16 PM
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(
 
 Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest, darkest
 movie secrets.
 
 I love Howard the Duck.
 
 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com aladvantage.com wrote:
 Keith
 
 I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the 
 comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :(
 
 Martin wrote:
  But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my
 milieu!
 
  KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: I
 really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making
 National Treasure 2 the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I
 tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as
 background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go.
 Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and
 Voight (just show me the money!!). Not fun or clever or engaging at all.
 Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing
 against low brow humour (saw Knocked Up recently and loved it) or mindless
 action flicks. Im the guy who will watch The Warriors every single time
 it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And Face Off? Pure cinematic
 pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go boom!. Love
 that flick.
  But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in
 plot. Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed
 down from one President to another that details, among other things, the
 truth of what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!
 
  Please tell me none of you watched it?
 
  
 
  National Treasure sleighs Christmas box office 
  Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET 
  Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel National Treasure: Book of Secrets raced
 to $65 million during its first five days of release across North America,
 distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
  The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened
 last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued
 on Wednesday.
  Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17
 international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the
 2004 smash National Treasure stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies
 around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's
 assassination.
  Will Smith's sci-fi thriller I Am Legend was No. 2 with five-day sales
 of $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner
 Bros. Pictures.
  Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth
 Century Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit
 Alvin and the Chipmunks, saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas
 Day sales. After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million.
  The fact-based political comedy Charlie Wilson's War earned $14.75
 million, and the Johnny Depp musical Sweeney Todd $12.75 million, both
 after five days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks
 Pictures, warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses.
  The box office jury is still out on Charlie Wilson, a high-profile
 vehicle starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as
 many theaters as Sweeney Todd, which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner
 Bros.
  Further down the rankings, P.S. I Love You had earned $9.1 million in
 its first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it
 hoped more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now
 that Christmas-related chores are behind them.
  The musical spoof Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story reported a four-day
 haul of $4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas
 Day estimate for the box office disappointment.
  Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because
 they will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action sequel
 Alien vs. Predator: Requiem, the Denzel Washington drama The Great
 Debaters, and the family fantasy The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep.
  Walt Disney Pictures is a unit 

Re: [scifinoir2] Saw 28 Weeks on DVD- Plot Holes, Plot Holes ....

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
Now they are doing Russia.  I hate it.  With a little effort with the 
plot, it could have been a good plot.  It seems as if screen writers are 
getting increasingly sloppy with plot holes these days

Martin wrote:
 My thoughts?

 They should've left it at 28 Days After.

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 I've never been a big zombie movie fan, but I loved 28 days.  I think it 
 will one day be considered a classic.  So I was really looking forward 
 to the sequel.  Well we finally checked it out last night.  It had lots 
 of great elements that reminded me of how Aliens complimented Alien, but 
 they really let me down with the numerous plot holes.  and now there is 
 going to be a third installment in Russia.

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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Bhutto Apparently Killed in Attack

2007-12-27 Thread Martin
I'm still numb at the realization. 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I admired this person greatly. When I first 
heard about her I was curios. How 
can a woman be a leader in a Muslim country? I know that Pakistan is moderate 
but I was still curious. I came to admired because she was the complete 
package. She was intelligent, driven, beautiful etc. She did not go through the 
motions of being a leader. When women leaders were not common, she did not run 
as 
a woman but as a leader. She could be a woman but also be to a tough task 
master. I am sure that the other opposition leader could be involved too. He 
could be far more favorable to the army. Who knows. 

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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Bhutto Apparently Killed in Attack

2007-12-27 Thread Martin
I'm still numb at the realization. 

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I admired this person greatly. When I first 
heard about her I was curios. How 
can a woman be a leader in a Muslim country? I know that Pakistan is moderate 
but I was still curious. I came to admired because she was the complete 
package. She was intelligent, driven, beautiful etc. She did not go through the 
motions of being a leader. When women leaders were not common, she did not run 
as 
a woman but as a leader. She could be a woman but also be to a tough task 
master. I am sure that the other opposition leader could be involved too. He 
could be far more favorable to the army. Who knows. 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread Martin
Yes, you do. The finer treats are often found at the bottom of the cupboard.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  how is this possible??? I've never even *heard* of 
this film, let alone seen it! That *never* happens. Sounds like a classically 
bad flick. Gotta find it!

-- Original message -- 
From: Astromancer 
Sorry, folks...the ABSOLUTE worst save in Sci Fi history was in the spaghetti 
sci-fi flick 'Star Crash'...Christopher Plummer was the Emperor of the 
Universe...a bounty Hunter has found his kidnapped son and he arrives on the 
planet...The bouty hunter and son tell him Sire, we only have 2 minutes to 
leave the planet before it explodes! the audience in the theatre as well as I 
was murmering how the heck are they going to get out of this when suddenly the 
Emperor looks at them and says Do not worry, I am not the Emperor of the 
Univese for nothing. He then looks to the sky and says Spaceship! Halt the 
flow of time! There was dead silence for a good second before the laughter, 
groan and cat calls began. The movie was so bad, I fell in love with it...I've 
been looking for it ever since to add to my collection!

Astromancer wrote: I've always wondered...Why didn't NOMAD blow up the moment 
he had discovered his error? oh yeah, it was in the script...

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about, Kirk saving the day by outsmarting a super 
computer, causing it to self-destruct in self-loathing and unreconcilable 
programming loops? He did that with M5 (How will you atone for the sin of 
murder...This computer must die...), Nomad (Nomad, you've made three 
errors, you are flawed. Execute your prime directive. Boom!) and Landru 
(You are not protecting the Body! Landru! Help me! Boom!) 
-- Original message -- 
From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) 

 During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we 
 started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction 
 movies. So far two were raised. They are: 
 
 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star 
 Trek Next Generation 
 
 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of 
 virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically 
 superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in 
 Independence Day 
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread KeithBJohnson
i don't like small TVs or screens. My living room TV is 32 and i can't wait to 
upgrade to a 42 or 50 plasma so i can watch it from the den as well. (that'll 
proabably be next Christmas, though).  I really like to see detail on the 
screen, so small screens bug me. i like to be immersed in the complete 
audio-visual experience (which is why, Tracey, I'll never give up the 
theatrical experience, even when i get a big flatscreen).

I do feel you on the small rooms, though. i wonder if it's because I grew up in 
a small house (five rooms, three brothers in one bedroom) but I like smaller, 
cozier, feeling rooms. When I see apartments or houses with giant open plans 
and soaring, vaulted ceilings, i feel nervous and exposed. Seriously. The 
biggest thing my wife and i had when we bought our house is that, since it's 
older, it has smaller, discrete rooms, and only 8' ceilings. My wife--who is 
only 5' tall--feels closed in by the rooms and the low ceiling. But 
I--standing 6'1--feel just fine. She wants our next house to be open plan, 
where the kitchen, den, and living room are all more or less visible, similar 
to one big one. She even has been talking about getting a loft. My comment to 
her was that if we do that, i'll almost never be in the living room, probably 
spending all my time in a smaller guest bedroom. And a loft is right out, i'm 
afraid.


I was the kind of kid who'd find a spot on the couch, then cover myself in 
pillows to have a fort or something, and feel completely snug and 
comfortable. The first time I left my neighborhood on foot (instead of in a 
car) i was a young child walking our dogs with my mom. My old neighborhood is 
surrounded by freeways, a river, and a railroad track, and has lots of trees. 
It's one of those where you can feel a bit sequesterd in spots. So, when we 
walked out of the neighborhood i was greeted by the sight of the trees dropping 
away to reveal a large expanse of flat land that ran to the freeway, which arcs 
upward to a bridge. All around me was open sky, open fields, a giant freeway. I 
freaked out and had to walk back. Soon as I got behind the cover of the trees 
again, i felt better.  

To this day really open spaces make me feel a bit nervous and exposed. You know 
how some people have nightmares about being entrapped, closed in? My nightmares 
typically find me in an open plain, flat to the horizon, with the exception of 
a giant building or ship towering above me. The terror i feel at standing in 
the shadow of a giant cruise ship or spaceship or building towering a thousand 
feet above me is hard to describe. Yet i'm not afraid of heights...

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Don't really know. Just always have. And I should clarify- the storage room I 
speak of was actually the master bedroom of my apartment. I don't like big 
rooms, either, and didn't even use the room when I had the apartment, save for 
book and comic storage. I could've gone in and watched it (the TV) easily 
enough.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I 
actually like small tvs myself. I do not prefer them, but I shocked 
my husband when we first started living together. if we both wanted to 
watch tv and view different programs, I would offer to go watch the 
small TV in the bedroom. I like the coziness. So you are not totally 
alone in your penchant for small TVs. However, I would not put a large 
TV in a storage room. I like them too. Why do you prefer small TVs?

Martin wrote:
 I'm often alone in my weirdness, and I don't think this will be an exception.

 I've never liked big TVs. I had a 30 once, and hated the thing. I kept in in 
 my bedroom initially, and moved it into my storage room a month later. Since, 
 I've owned nothing bigger than a 19 screen. Right now, I have a 13

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: We had one for a 
 while, but all this cross continent moving has changed 
 that. So , I have the same dreams. Hopefully, now that I am getting 
 well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a reality
 
 Astromancer wrote:
  I haven't been to the movies in several years...I either rent DVDs or 
  download them off the net...I dream nightly of owning a big screen TV...
 
  Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: Agreed. While I 
  think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen 
  changes the whole movie experience. You will come to love home viewing 
  almost as much as the theatre. Besides you can rent them on Netflix 
  until you can by the collections. I do that with lots of series
 
  Astromancer wrote:
  
  Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the 
  big screen
  and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) 
  Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a 
  suggestion...
 
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes 

Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Bhutto Apparently Killed in Attack

2007-12-27 Thread Martin
Keith, put nothing past anyone.
   
  The official story, as I've gathered it to date, is that there was a suicide 
bomber at the rally she was attending. She was unhurt, and whisked away in her 
car so quickly that it led to initial reports that she'd been injured in the 
bombing. It was as she fled that when her car was shot at.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Holy crap. I wonder who's behind this, and why she, of all the 
claimants for leadership of Pakistan, seems to have been the most viciously and 
consistently targeted? You know there will be major examinations of Musharif, 
but surely he's not involved...? News stories are extremely incomplete, so the 
body of this article might say she was only injured, though the title says she 
died...

**

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/asiapcf/12/27/pakistan.sharif/index.html
RAWALPINDI, Pakistan (CNN) -- Pakistan former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto was 
targeted in a deadly suicide bombing Thursday. Media reports quote her husband 
saying she suffered a bullet wound to the neck in the attack.
The attack has left at least 14 dead and 40 injured, Tariq Azim Khan, the 
country's former information minister, told CNN in a telephone interview.
Bhutto's husband, Asif Ali Zardari told CNN affiliate Geo TV that his wife was 
shot in the neck in the attack.
The attacker is said to have detonated a bomb as he tried to enter the rally 
where thousands of people gathered to hear Bhutto speak, police said.
Bhutto is said to have been leaving the rally when the attack occurred and was 
taken to a hospital in an unconcious state, the Geo TV report said.
Earlier, a spokesman for Bhutto told CNN she was safe and taken away from the 
scene. 
Video from the scene of the blast broadcast from Geo TV showed wounded people 
being loaded into ambulances.
Up to 20 people are dead, the report said.
Earlier, four supporters of former Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif died 
when members of another political party opened fire on them at a rally near the 
Islamabad airport Friday, local police said.
Several other members of Sharif's party were wounded, police added.
While President Pervez Musharraf has promised free and fair parliamentary 
elections next month, continued instability in the tribal areas and the threat 
of attack on large crowds has kept people from attending political rallies and 
dampened the country's political process.
Campaigners from various political groups say fewer people are coming out to 
show their support due to government crackdowns and the threat of violence.
At least 136 people were killed and more than 387 wounded on October 18 when a 
suicide bomber attacked Bhutto's slow-moving motorcade. The former PM returned 
to the country after eight years of self-imposed exile to a massive show of 
support in the southern port city of Karachi.
Bhutto called it an attack on democracy and vowed it would not deter her 
political campaign.
Today's violence come less than two weeks ahead of January parliamentary 
elections and as many days after President Pervez Musharraf lifted a 
six-week-old state of emergency he said was necessary to ensure the country's 
stability.
Critics said Musharraf's political maneuvering was meant to stifle the 
country's judiciary as well as curb the media and opposition groups to secure 
more power.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread Martin
Don't really know. Just always have. And I should clarify- the storage room I 
speak of was actually the master bedroom of my apartment. I don't like big 
rooms, either, and didn't even use the room when I had the apartment, save for 
book and comic storage. I could've gone in and watched it (the TV) easily 
enough.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I 
actually like small tvs myself. I do not prefer them, but I shocked 
my husband when we first started living together. if we both wanted to 
watch tv and view different programs, I would offer to go watch the 
small TV in the bedroom. I like the coziness. So you are not totally 
alone in your penchant for small TVs. However, I would not put a large 
TV in a storage room. I like them too. Why do you prefer small TVs?

Martin wrote:
 I'm often alone in my weirdness, and I don't think this will be an exception.

 I've never liked big TVs. I had a 30 once, and hated the thing. I kept in in 
 my bedroom initially, and moved it into my storage room a month later. Since, 
 I've owned nothing bigger than a 19 screen. Right now, I have a 13

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: We had one for a 
 while, but all this cross continent moving has changed 
 that. So , I have the same dreams. Hopefully, now that I am getting 
 well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a reality
 
 Astromancer wrote:
  I haven't been to the movies in several years...I either rent DVDs or 
  download them off the net...I dream nightly of owning a big screen TV...
 
  Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: Agreed. While I 
  think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen 
  changes the whole movie experience. You will come to love home viewing 
  almost as much as the theatre. Besides you can rent them on Netflix 
  until you can by the collections. I do that with lots of series
 
  Astromancer wrote:
  
  Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the 
  big screen
  and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) 
  Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a 
  suggestion...
 
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up really 
  late this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I feel 
  asleep, but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i heard 
  an ep of DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember feeling 
  vaguely angry at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour.
 
  I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. 
  I keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, 
  or getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, 
  Battlestar Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), 
  Babylon 5, original Trek, or DS9. 
 
  I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9...
 
  -- Original message -- 
  From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) 
  Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
  start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
  stay with them?
 
  Daryle wrote:
 
  
  The End of the Dominion War.
 
 
  On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
  wrote:
 
 
 
  
  During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
  started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
  movies. So far two were raised. They are:
 
  1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
  Trek Next Generation
 
  2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of
  virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
  superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
  Independence Day
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
I've actually had success in the past. The pain from my illness drove me 
back to the night.  Once that went away and I started working again, 
late night phone meetings with people I am doing business with overseas 
drove me back to my vampire-like sleeping habits.  I was in recovery, 
but a night of playing Santa's elf with toy assembly has me falling off 
the wagon again.  I would not work so hard at it, but living on the west 
coast, has my business hours behind those on the East coast, so if I 
sleep late, I'm calling customers back at the end of the business day

Reece Jennings wrote:
 Amen.  And let me know if you're successful with that 'normal hours' thing.
 I gave
 up on that a long time ago.  Seems I was getting stressed about getting to
 sleep, 
 and that was keeping me awake!  :o)
  
 Now, I set the timer on my TV and put on my CPAP before I start watching TV.
 I invariably wake up about six hours later rested, and with fewer nightmares
 caused by my TV freaking out my subconscious.  That, and I stopped drinking
 coffee...gr...
  
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 Behalf Of Martin
 Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:55 AM
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History



 Tracey, know this.

 No matter how tough those times may get, we're here for you.

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com aladvantage.com wrote: I do
 not know. I do not think that tops the list - except for the 
 prophet's rescue. I would like to see the whole series again. it comes 
 on t 11:00 am sporadically and at 2:00 am, however, I am trying out an 
 experiment with trying to go to bed at normal hours. Tough times ahead

 KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote:
   
 Well, there's the time when two thousand Dominion ships were coming
 
 through the wormhole and the Prophets simply got rid of them. That might be
 the scene, since it was such a neat fix, but that's not the end of the War,
 technically. 
   
 At the true end, Section 31 had of course infected the Changelings with a
 
 virus that was killing them all. Cardassia had risen against the Dominion,
 which devastated the planet in punishment. But, the Romulans had finally
 joined the Federation/Klingon alliance against the Dominion (thanks to Sisko
 and Garak's subterfuge) and the Prophets prevented more Dominion ships to
 come into the Alpha quadrant. Still, victory wasn't certain for either side,
 so Odo helped broker a deal: he would impart his healed DNA to the
 Changelings, and they would end the war. He healed the one Changeling who'd
 been running the campaign in the Alpha Quadrant, then travelled to the
 Changeling home world and gave them the cure. 
   
 Perhaps that ending was too pat for him?

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 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com aladvantage.com 
   
 Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
 start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
 stay with them?

 Daryle wrote:

 
 The End of the Dominion War.


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 aladvantage.com wrote:
   

   
 During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
 started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
 movies. So far two were raised. They are:

 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
 Trek Next Generation

 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of
 virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
 superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
 Independence Day

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Re: [scifinoir2] Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?

2007-12-27 Thread Martin
Next time I'm handed the offer, I'll keep it rather than toss it out.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Got 
it on Netflix

Martin wrote:
 I own Night Watch, both book and DVD. The book, I haven't had the chance to 
 really dig into. The DVD was a little wobbly in places, but a good story 
 overall. I'll have to keep my eyes open for Day Watch.

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: Looking for some flix 
 to rent on Netflix over the weekend. I just saw a 
 preview for Day Watch, that was interesting. Has anyone hear of it or 
 its prequel Night Watch. Anyone read th trilogy. It got some good 
 reviews. I never heard of them prior to seeing the preview. I think it 
 came out while I was in Mexico. NY Times describes it as Star Wars 
 Meets the Vampires in Moscow.

 See the plot summaries below.

 Nightwatch - This first installment of the trilogy based on the 
 best-selling science fiction novels by Russian writer Sergei Lukyanenko 
 plays upon the tension between light and dark, pitting the superhuman 
 Night Watch patrollers (known as the Others) against the shadowed 
 forces of the night. But the biggest fear of all stems from the lines of 
 an ancient prophecy, which warns of a renegade Other whose betrayal 
 could bring chaos to the land.


 Daywatch - Anton (Konstantin Khabensky) finds himself in the middle of a 
 mythic conflict between the forces of Light and Dark in this sequel to 
 Night Watch, the surprise 2004 hit from Russia. To protect his son, who 
 has come under the control of the dark side, Anton must seek an ancient 
 artifact. But the powerful relic threatens to upset the uneasy peace 
 between the two sides and puts Moscow at risk for a devastating 
 cataclysm in this supernatural thriller.


 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Saw 28 Weeks on DVD- Plot Holes, Plot Holes ....

2007-12-27 Thread Martin
I'm suprised that no one's optioned World War Z yet. Or am I behind the curve?

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  Now 
they are doing Russia. I hate it. With a little effort with the 
plot, it could have been a good plot. It seems as if screen writers are 
getting increasingly sloppy with plot holes these days

Martin wrote:
 My thoughts?

 They should've left it at 28 Days After.

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: I've never been a big 
 zombie movie fan, but I loved 28 days. I think it 
 will one day be considered a classic. So I was really looking forward 
 to the sequel. Well we finally checked it out last night. It had lots 
 of great elements that reminded me of how Aliens complimented Alien, but 
 they really let me down with the numerous plot holes. and now there is 
 going to be a third installment in Russia.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread KeithBJohnson
Hasselhoff too?! Oh that's just perfect! Now, tell me it's got Jimmy JJ 
Walker, the guy who played Mr. Drummond on Different Strokes, and a few other 
Love Boat rejects, and we're in business!

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From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
they got it on Netflix. David Hasselhoff is in it too. Totally missed 
this one

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 how is this possible??? I've never even *heard* of this film, let alone seen 
 it! That *never* happens. Sounds like a classically bad flick. Gotta find it!

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sorry, folks...the ABSOLUTE worst save in Sci Fi history was in the spaghetti 
 sci-fi flick 'Star Crash'...Christopher Plummer was the Emperor of the 
 Universe...a bounty Hunter has found his kidnapped son and he arrives on the 
 planet...The bouty hunter and son tell him Sire, we only have 2 minutes to 
 leave the planet before it explodes! the audience in the theatre as well as I 
 was murmering how the heck are they going to get out of this when suddenly 
 the Emperor looks at them and says Do not worry, I am not the Emperor of the 
 Univese for nothing. He then looks to the sky and says Spaceship! Halt the 
 flow of time! There was dead silence for a good second before the laughter, 
 groan and cat calls began. The movie was so bad, I fell in love with 
 it...I've been looking for it ever since to add to my collection!

 Astromancer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've always wondered...Why didn't 
 NOMAD blow up the moment he had discovered his error? oh yeah, it was in the 
 script...

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about, Kirk saving the day by outsmarting a 
 super computer, causing it to self-destruct in self-loathing and 
 unreconcilable programming loops? He did that with M5 (How will you atone 
 for the sin of murder...This computer must die...), Nomad (Nomad, you've 
 made three errors, you are flawed. Execute your prime directive. Boom!) 
 and Landru (You are not protecting the Body! Landru! Help me! Boom!) 
 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 
 During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we 
 started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction 
 movies. So far two were raised. They are: 

 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star 
 Trek Next Generation 

 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of 
 virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically 
 superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in 
 Independence Day 

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Re: [scifinoir2] Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
Hey Bosco:

Thanks for the heads up about the thread.  for anyone interested it is at:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/message/6472

Are you going to see Daywatch?

Bosco Bosco wrote:
 There was a post on here a couple of weeks ago about Night Watch. I
 sought it out on Netflix because of that post. I found it to be
 relatively interesting and fun. I have trouble with subtitles but
 it's just my poor ability to read and watch TV at the same time. It's
 definitely an entertaining movie though not great film either. It's
 clearly plot driven rather than effects driven and that always makes
 me happy.

 Bosco
 --- Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
 I own Night Watch, both book and DVD. The book, I haven't had the
 chance to really dig into. The DVD was a little wobbly in places,
 but a good story overall. I'll have to keep my eyes open for Day
 Watch.

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking for some flix
 to rent on Netflix over the weekend.  I just saw a 
 preview for Day Watch, that was interesting.  Has anyone hear of it
 or 
 its prequel Night Watch.  Anyone read th trilogy.  It got some good

 reviews.  I never heard of them prior to seeing the preview.  I
 think it 
 came out while I was in Mexico.  NY Times describes it as Star
 Wars 
 Meets the Vampires in Moscow.

 See the plot summaries below.

 Nightwatch - This first installment of the trilogy based on the 
 best-selling science fiction novels by Russian writer Sergei
 Lukyanenko 
 plays upon the tension between light and dark, pitting the
 superhuman 
 Night Watch patrollers (known as the Others) against the shadowed

 forces of the night. But the biggest fear of all stems from the
 lines of 
 an ancient prophecy, which warns of a renegade Other whose betrayal

 could bring chaos to the land.


 Daywatch - Anton (Konstantin Khabensky) finds himself in the middle
 of a 
 mythic conflict between the forces of Light and Dark in this sequel
 to 
 Night Watch, the surprise 2004 hit from Russia. To protect his son,
 who 
 has come under the control of the dark side, Anton must seek an
 ancient 
 artifact. But the powerful relic threatens to upset the uneasy
 peace 
 between the two sides and puts Moscow at risk for a devastating 
 cataclysm in this supernatural thriller.


  
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[scifinoir2] Re: Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?

2007-12-27 Thread keop7

 Tracey de Morsella wrote:

 
 Looking for some flix to rent on Netflix over the weekend.  I just saw a 
 preview for Day Watch, that was interesting.  Has anyone hear of it or 
 its prequel Night Watch.  Anyone read th trilogy.  It got some good 
 reviews.  I never heard of them prior to seeing the preview.  I think it 
 came out while I was in Mexico.  NY Times describes it as Star Wars 
 Meets the Vampires in Moscow.


The plots can be convoluted at times, often taking a backseat to cool special 
effects but they're both fun to watch. Think Highlander with shape shifters, 
psychics, vampires, magic and lots of red tape. Night Watch is the darker 
film but the more light-hearted Day Watch is probably the better of the two. 
I'm really looking forward to the director's next project, Wanted with 
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RE: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(

2007-12-27 Thread Reece Jennings
LOLLOLLOL
 
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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Martin
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 8:48 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(



8-O Movie, yes, movie, yes! LMNAO!

Martin (can't go there- likes girls and is allergic to feathers)

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wrote: U...you mean the movie, right? I mean, duck love...YIKES!!!

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On
Behalf Of Martin
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 12:16 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(

Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest, darkest
movie secrets.

I love Howard the Duck.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com aladvantage.com wrote:
Keith

I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the 
comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :(

Martin wrote:
 But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my
milieu!

 KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: I
really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making
National Treasure 2 the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I
tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as
background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go.
Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and
Voight (just show me the money!!). Not fun or clever or engaging at all.
Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing
against low brow humour (saw Knocked Up recently and loved it) or mindless
action flicks. Im the guy who will watch The Warriors every single time
it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And Face Off? Pure cinematic
pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go boom!. Love
that flick.
 But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in
plot. Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed
down from one President to another that details, among other things, the
truth of what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!

 Please tell me none of you watched it?

 

 National Treasure sleighs Christmas box office 
 Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET 
 Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel National Treasure: Book of Secrets raced
to $65 million during its first five days of release across North America,
distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
 The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened
last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued
on Wednesday.
 Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17
international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the
2004 smash National Treasure stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies
around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's
assassination.
 Will Smith's sci-fi thriller I Am Legend was No. 2 with five-day sales
of $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner
Bros. Pictures.
 Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth
Century Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit
Alvin and the Chipmunks, saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas
Day sales. After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million.
 The fact-based political comedy Charlie Wilson's War earned $14.75
million, and the Johnny Depp musical Sweeney Todd $12.75 million, both
after five days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks
Pictures, warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses.
 The box office jury is still out on Charlie Wilson, a high-profile
vehicle starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as
many theaters as Sweeney Todd, which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner
Bros.
 Further down the rankings, P.S. I Love You had earned $9.1 million in
its first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it
hoped more women would turn out in force for the Hilary 

Re: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(

2007-12-27 Thread Martin
Forgot to add on the literal duck out of water premise, which I sympathize 
with daily. I've always felt out of place, even among the Technonerdati.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
Wow! Thank you for making yourself vulnerable and opening up. Now the 
question you had to anticipate... why?

Martin wrote:
 Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest, darkest 
 movie secrets.
 
 I love Howard the Duck.

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Keith

 I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the 
 comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :(

 Martin wrote:
 
 But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my milieu!

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really hope none of you fine people contributed 
 any ducats to making National Treasure 2 the number one movie over the 
 Christmas weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, 
 on a Sunday night, as background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off 
 with 45 minutes to go. Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot 
 acting by Cage and Voight (just show me the money!!). Not fun or clever or 
 engaging at all. Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't 
 have a thing against low brow humour (saw Knocked Up recently and loved 
 it) or mindless action flicks. Im the guy who will watch The Warriors 
 every single time it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And Face Off? 
 Pure cinematic pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that 
 go boom!. Love that flick.
 But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot. 
 Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down 
 from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of 
 what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!

 Please tell me none of you watched it?

 

 National Treasure sleighs Christmas box office 
 Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET 
 Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel National Treasure: Book of Secrets raced 
 to $65 million during its first five days of release across North America, 
 distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
 The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened 
 last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued 
 on Wednesday.
 Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17 
 international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the 
 2004 smash National Treasure stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies 
 around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's 
 assassination.
 Will Smith's sci-fi thriller I Am Legend was No. 2 with five-day sales of 
 $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner Bros. 
 Pictures.
 Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth 
 Century Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit 
 Alvin and the Chipmunks, saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas 
 Day sales. After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million.
 The fact-based political comedy Charlie Wilson's War earned $14.75 
 million, and the Johnny Depp musical Sweeney Todd $12.75 million, both 
 after five days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks 
 Pictures, warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses.
 The box office jury is still out on Charlie Wilson, a high-profile vehicle 
 starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as many 
 theaters as Sweeney Todd, which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner Bros.
 Further down the rankings, P.S. I Love You had earned $9.1 million in its 
 first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it hoped 
 more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now that 
 Christmas-related chores are behind them.
 The musical spoof Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story reported a four-day haul 
 of $4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas Day 
 estimate for the box office disappointment.
 Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because 
 they will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action sequel 
 Alien vs. Predator: Requiem, the Denzel Washington drama The Great 
 Debaters, and the family fantasy The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep.
 Walt Disney Pictures is a unit of Walt Disney Co. Warner Bros. is a unit of 
 Time Warner Inc. Twentieth Century Fox is a unit of News Corp. Universal 
 Pictures, a unit of General Electric Co's NBC Universal. DreamWorks Pictures 
 is a unit of Viacom Inc. Columbia Pictures is a unit of Sony Corp.
 (Reporting by Dean Goodman; Editing by Stuart Grudgings)

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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Bhutto Apparently Killed in Attack

2007-12-27 Thread KeithBJohnson
that'd be a cleverly devious way to take some out: use the major event to 
scatter the crowd, get them in a panic, and then--when even the best security 
measures show gaps as they try to flee--take the target out.
i'm really sad about this...

-- Original message -- 
From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Keith, put nothing past anyone.

The official story, as I've gathered it to date, is that there was a suicide 
bomber at the rally she was attending. She was unhurt, and whisked away in her 
car so quickly that it led to initial reports that she'd been injured in the 
bombing. It was as she fled that when her car was shot at.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Holy crap. I wonder who's behind this, and why she, of all the claimants for 
leadership of Pakistan, seems to have been the most viciously and consistently 
targeted? You know there will be major examinations of Musharif, but surely 
he's not involved...? News stories are extremely incomplete, so the body of 
this article might say she was only injured, though the title says she died...

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RAWALPINDI, Pakistan (CNN) -- Pakistan former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto was 
targeted in a deadly suicide bombing Thursday. Media reports quote her husband 
saying she suffered a bullet wound to the neck in the attack.
The attack has left at least 14 dead and 40 injured, Tariq Azim Khan, the 
country's former information minister, told CNN in a telephone interview.
Bhutto's husband, Asif Ali Zardari told CNN affiliate Geo TV that his wife was 
shot in the neck in the attack.
The attacker is said to have detonated a bomb as he tried to enter the rally 
where thousands of people gathered to hear Bhutto speak, police said.
Bhutto is said to have been leaving the rally when the attack occurred and was 
taken to a hospital in an unconcious state, the Geo TV report said.
Earlier, a spokesman for Bhutto told CNN she was safe and taken away from the 
scene. 
Video from the scene of the blast broadcast from Geo TV showed wounded people 
being loaded into ambulances.
Up to 20 people are dead, the report said.
Earlier, four supporters of former Pakistan Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif died 
when members of another political party opened fire on them at a rally near the 
Islamabad airport Friday, local police said.
Several other members of Sharif's party were wounded, police added.
While President Pervez Musharraf has promised free and fair parliamentary 
elections next month, continued instability in the tribal areas and the threat 
of attack on large crowds has kept people from attending political rallies and 
dampened the country's political process.
Campaigners from various political groups say fewer people are coming out to 
show their support due to government crackdowns and the threat of violence.
At least 136 people were killed and more than 387 wounded on October 18 when a 
suicide bomber attacked Bhutto's slow-moving motorcade. The former PM returned 
to the country after eight years of self-imposed exile to a massive show of 
support in the southern port city of Karachi.
Bhutto called it an attack on democracy and vowed it would not deter her 
political campaign.
Today's violence come less than two weeks ahead of January parliamentary 
elections and as many days after President Pervez Musharraf lifted a 
six-week-old state of emergency he said was necessary to ensure the country's 
stability.
Critics said Musharraf's political maneuvering was meant to stifle the 
country's judiciary as well as curb the media and opposition groups to secure 
more power.

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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?

2007-12-27 Thread James Landrith
This discussion has reminded me of a series I used to watch in the late
1980's.

 

I believe it came on Friday nights in the Peoria area in syndication.

 

The show was of UK origin and featured a new dark fantasy (and possibly and
occasional science fiction theme) each week with no recurring characters -
kind of a dark fantasy Outer Limits.

 

Ring any bells?

 

 

 Tracey de Morsella wrote:

 
 Looking for some flix to rent on Netflix over the weekend. I just saw a 
 preview for Day Watch, that was interesting. Has anyone hear of it or 
 its prequel Night Watch. Anyone read th trilogy. It got some good 
 reviews. I never heard of them prior to seeing the preview. I think it 
 came out while I was in Mexico. NY Times describes it as Star Wars 
 Meets the Vampires in Moscow.

The plots can be convoluted at times, often taking a backseat to cool
special 
effects but they're both fun to watch. Think Highlander with shape shifters,

psychics, vampires, magic and lots of red tape. Night Watch is the darker 
film but the more light-hearted Day Watch is probably the better of the
two. 
I'm really looking forward to the director's next project, Wanted with 
Angelina Jolie and James McAvoy.

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RE: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(

2007-12-27 Thread James Landrith
They are easy to assemble - with simple male and female joints.
Occasionally, a piece of track may be cut a little off so that the fit is
tight - but that is the exception.  Overall, she ought to be able to connect
the track pieces herself.



-Original Message-
From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2007 7:40 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(

I was thinking of getting Kira set next year, maybe we will try Brio 
wooden tracks too.  Are they easy to assemble.  One of the reasons I put 
it off this year was tht I did not realize I would be better and I did 
not think she could assemble the tracks on her own

 



Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?

2007-12-27 Thread KeithBJohnson
Highlander with shape shifters, psychics, vampires, and lots of red tape? 
Sounds like the crappy last Highlander movie about the Source.  That movie 
sucked beyond belief!

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 Tracey de Morsella wrote:

 
 Looking for some flix to rent on Netflix over the weekend. I just saw a 
 preview for Day Watch, that was interesting. Has anyone hear of it or 
 its prequel Night Watch. Anyone read th trilogy. It got some good 
 reviews. I never heard of them prior to seeing the preview. I think it 
 came out while I was in Mexico. NY Times describes it as Star Wars 
 Meets the Vampires in Moscow.

The plots can be convoluted at times, often taking a backseat to cool special 
effects but they're both fun to watch. Think Highlander with shape shifters, 
psychics, vampires, magic and lots of red tape. Night Watch is the darker 
film but the more light-hearted Day Watch is probably the better of the two. 
I'm really looking forward to the director's next project, Wanted with 
Angelina Jolie and James McAvoy.

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Re: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(

2007-12-27 Thread Martin
Because, for me, it's an autopilot movie, one I can just watch and not feel the 
need either to analyze or riff it. A while back, I mentioned a movie I saw for 
the first time, A Matter of Life and Death, which I found so great that I 
couldn't make fun of it as it went. Howard is one of them. Add on the fact 
that I loved his comic, when Marvel ran it. He's in a limited series right now, 
which I'm woefully behind on.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
Wow! Thank you for making yourself vulnerable and opening up. Now the 
question you had to anticipate... why?

Martin wrote:
 Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest, darkest 
 movie secrets.
 
 I love Howard the Duck.

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Keith

 I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the 
 comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :(

 Martin wrote:
 
 But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my milieu!

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really hope none of you fine people contributed 
 any ducats to making National Treasure 2 the number one movie over the 
 Christmas weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, 
 on a Sunday night, as background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off 
 with 45 minutes to go. Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot 
 acting by Cage and Voight (just show me the money!!). Not fun or clever or 
 engaging at all. Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't 
 have a thing against low brow humour (saw Knocked Up recently and loved 
 it) or mindless action flicks. Im the guy who will watch The Warriors 
 every single time it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And Face Off? 
 Pure cinematic pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that 
 go boom!. Love that flick.
 But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in plot. 
 Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed down 
 from one President to another that details, among other things, the truth of 
 what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!

 Please tell me none of you watched it?

 

 National Treasure sleighs Christmas box office 
 Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET 
 Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel National Treasure: Book of Secrets raced 
 to $65 million during its first five days of release across North America, 
 distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
 The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened 
 last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued 
 on Wednesday.
 Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17 
 international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the 
 2004 smash National Treasure stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies 
 around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's 
 assassination.
 Will Smith's sci-fi thriller I Am Legend was No. 2 with five-day sales of 
 $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner Bros. 
 Pictures.
 Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth 
 Century Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit 
 Alvin and the Chipmunks, saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas 
 Day sales. After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million.
 The fact-based political comedy Charlie Wilson's War earned $14.75 
 million, and the Johnny Depp musical Sweeney Todd $12.75 million, both 
 after five days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks 
 Pictures, warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses.
 The box office jury is still out on Charlie Wilson, a high-profile vehicle 
 starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as many 
 theaters as Sweeney Todd, which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner Bros.
 Further down the rankings, P.S. I Love You had earned $9.1 million in its 
 first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it hoped 
 more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now that 
 Christmas-related chores are behind them.
 The musical spoof Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story reported a four-day haul 
 of $4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas Day 
 estimate for the box office disappointment.
 Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because 
 they will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action sequel 
 Alien vs. Predator: Requiem, the Denzel Washington drama The Great 
 Debaters, and the family fantasy The Water Horse: Legend of the Deep.
 Walt Disney Pictures is a unit of Walt Disney Co. Warner Bros. is a unit of 
 Time Warner Inc. Twentieth Century Fox is a unit of News Corp. Universal 
 Pictures, a unit of General Electric Co's NBC Universal. DreamWorks Pictures 
 is a 

[scifinoir2] Re: Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?

2007-12-27 Thread maidmarian_thepoet
I was raving about DayWatch just a few weeks ago.  I loved it, 
especially the imagery.  It's non-western so the choices of 
representative imagery is just slightly off from the way we see things 
done over-and-over-and-over.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Looking for some flix to rent on Netflix over the weekend.  I just 
saw a 
 preview for Day Watch, that was interesting.  Has anyone hear of it 
or 
 its prequel Night Watch.  



World War Z Re: [scifinoir2] Saw 28 Weeks on DVD- Plot Holes, Plot Holes ....

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
Found it,
J. Michael Straczynski is currently writing the script
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0816711/
Ten years after the human victory over the world wide Zombie epidemic, 
referred to as World War Z, Max Brooks scours the world collecting the 
stories and experiences of those who have survived the conflict that 
almost eradicated humanity.

You can read a script review at:
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=3947Itemid=99

Martin wrote:
 I'm suprised that no one's optioned World War Z yet. Or am I behind the 
 curve?

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
 Now they are doing Russia. I hate it. With a little effort with the 
 plot, it could have been a good plot. It seems as if screen writers are 
 getting increasingly sloppy with plot holes these days

 Martin wrote:
   

   


 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
I can related there with the small room thing too.  I used to have this 
big one room loft that doubled as a photography studio I shared with a 
business partner and I kept setting up these small living area nooks 
instead of using the whole space.  I hated the high ceilings  (weird 
huh).  If I ever get a loft again, I would get one with an actual loft 
section for sleeping or one that is sectioned up.  I know that is 
defeating the purpose.  My husband, who plays the guitar, loves the open 
space. 

Martin wrote:
 Don't really know. Just always have. And I should clarify- the storage room 
 I speak of was actually the master bedroom of my apartment. I don't like big 
 rooms, either, and didn't even use the room when I had the apartment, save 
 for book and comic storage. I could've gone in and watched it (the TV) easily 
 enough.

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I 
 actually like small tvs myself. I do not prefer them, but I shocked 
 my husband when we first started living together. if we both wanted to 
 watch tv and view different programs, I would offer to go watch the 
 small TV in the bedroom. I like the coziness. So you are not totally 
 alone in your penchant for small TVs. However, I would not put a large 
 TV in a storage room. I like them too. Why do you prefer small TVs?

 Martin wrote:
   
 I'm often alone in my weirdness, and I don't think this will be an exception.

 I've never liked big TVs. I had a 30 once, and hated the thing. I kept in 
 in my bedroom initially, and moved it into my storage room a month later. 
 Since, I've owned nothing bigger than a 19 screen. Right now, I have a 13

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: We had one for a 
 while, but all this cross continent moving has changed 
 that. So , I have the same dreams. Hopefully, now that I am getting 
 well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a reality

 
   


 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
I get the quality time with the pre-schooler motive.  This morning, 
after getting me up at an ungodly hour, mine just climbed on to the 
couch I was napping on, got under the covers with me, said Maggie is 
cool - That is Maggie and the Ferocious Beast for the pre-school TV 
uninitiated.  After I agreed, she gave me a big hug and said I was her 
very best friend in the whole world  I'm s hooked on this stuff. 
So yeah, I get the little TV with the special chairs thing. 

Daryle wrote:
 I¹m going to say something that will probably have my US citizenship
 revoked.

 I have a Vizio brand 52 inch LCD HDTV big screen TV, and I hardly watch it.
 In fact, I think if I got rid of it, and I¹d be pretty happy. I love
 watching games and an occasional movie on it ...but you know what I like
 even more? I have an iMac in my office since I think 2004. I LOVE watching
 movies and TV shows on my computer. When I settled in to watch Sliders
 season 1 (which is still $20 at Wal Mart, btw) -- iMac. Transformers on DVD?
 iMac. When I watched the LOTR DVDs it was on a much  smaller TV in my
 office. I enjoy watching that smaller TV with my son because we have our own
 chairs to sit in and get comfortable. And he¹s 4, so it¹s not really  about
 what¹s on screen, it¹s the time we¹re spending together. We could be
 listening to  radio  serials and it would have the same effect. I am waiting
 for the RE-remastered TOS episodes to go to iTunes because I will download
 them all and watch them at the end of the day. I watch more TV on my
 computer than I do on the screen. When I¹m on the road I watch DVDs on my
 laptop, and if Apple steps up their anime game...iPhone. My iTunes library
 is pretty big, I listen to more music and podcasts than I watch  network TV.
 IN fact, if it  weren¹t for TCM and football, I would only watch like 3
 hours of programmed TV a week. I know I can get  most  of the movies I like
 on TCM from GreenCine or Netflix. I have been thinking about getting Setanta
 Sports. If I could get it so that I could watch EPL games on my iMac or
 laptop...I would really have no reason to watch a large screen TV. In fact,
 I should run the numbers on what I  would be spending if I got a package to
 watch soccer on my computers and bought tickets to go SEE football games I
 wanted to see in Charlotte. If I downgraded my cable package, I may actually
 end up spending the same amount of money and would have more fun.

 Of course,  as I say all this, I ended up getting the Blade Runner DVD for
 Christmas and have not watched it yet. Once I do,  I will probably be taking
 all of this back.



 On 12/27/07 5:50 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

   
  
  
  

 We had one for a while, but all this cross continent moving has changed
 that.  So , I have the same dreams.  Hopefully, now that I am getting
 well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a reality

 Astromancer wrote:
 
 I haven't been to the movies in several years...I either rent DVDs or
 
 download them off the net...I dream nightly of owning a big screen TV...
   
 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com  wrote:  Agreed. 
 While
 I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen
   
 changes the whole movie experience. You will come to love home viewing
 almost as much as the theatre. Besides you can rent them on Netflix
 until you can by the collections. I do that with lots of series

 Astromancer wrote:
   
 
 Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the
 
 big screen
 
 and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...)
 
 Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a
 suggestion...
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net  wrote:
 you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up really
 
 late this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I feel
 asleep, but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i heard
 an ep of DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember feeling
 vaguely angry at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour.
 
 I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas.
 
 I keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, or
 getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, Battlestar
 Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), Babylon 5,
 original Trek, or DS9.
 
 I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9...

 -- Original message --
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com 
 
 Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers
 start 

[scifinoir2] Re: Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread ravenadal
My fifteen year-old daughter refuses to watch movies on anything but 
the iMac in my office.  The digital clarity is amazing and it is a 
much more intimate experience (especially with the lights out).

I remember sitting in my high-backed, wide bottomed leather office 
chair a couple of years ago watching Denzel Washington's directorial 
debut on the i-Mac with my daughter on my lap and a son on either 
side of me.  Man, that was good viewing.

~rave!

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
 I¹m going to say something that will probably have my US citizenship
 revoked.
 
 I have a Vizio brand 52 inch LCD HDTV big screen TV, and I hardly 
watch it.
 In fact, I think if I got rid of it, and I¹d be pretty happy. I love
 watching games and an occasional movie on it ...but you know what I 
like
 even more? I have an iMac in my office since I think 2004. I LOVE 
watching
 movies and TV shows on my computer. When I settled in to watch 
Sliders
 season 1 (which is still $20 at Wal Mart, btw) -- iMac. 
Transformers on DVD?
 iMac. When I watched the LOTR DVDs it was on a much  smaller TV in 
my
 office. I enjoy watching that smaller TV with my son because we 
have our own
 chairs to sit in and get comfortable. And he¹s 4, so it¹s not 
really  about
 what¹s on screen, it¹s the time we¹re spending together. We could be
 listening to  radio  serials and it would have the same effect. I 
am waiting
 for the RE-remastered TOS episodes to go to iTunes because I will 
download
 them all and watch them at the end of the day. I watch more TV on my
 computer than I do on the screen. When I¹m on the road I watch DVDs 
on my
 laptop, and if Apple steps up their anime game...iPhone. My iTunes 
library
 is pretty big, I listen to more music and podcasts than I watch  
network TV.
 IN fact, if it  weren¹t for TCM and football, I would only watch 
like 3
 hours of programmed TV a week. I know I can get  most  of the 
movies I like
 on TCM from GreenCine or Netflix. I have been thinking about 
getting Setanta
 Sports. If I could get it so that I could watch EPL games on my 
iMac or
 laptop...I would really have no reason to watch a large screen TV. 
In fact,
 I should run the numbers on what I  would be spending if I got a 
package to
 watch soccer on my computers and bought tickets to go SEE football 
games I
 wanted to see in Charlotte. If I downgraded my cable package, I may 
actually
 end up spending the same amount of money and would have more fun.
 
 Of course,  as I say all this, I ended up getting the Blade Runner 
DVD for
 Christmas and have not watched it yet. Once I do,  I will probably 
be taking
 all of this back.
 
 
 
 On 12/27/07 5:50 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
   
   
   
  
  We had one for a while, but all this cross continent moving has 
changed
  that.  So , I have the same dreams.  Hopefully, now that I am 
getting
  well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a 
reality
  
  Astromancer wrote:
   I haven't been to the movies in several years...I either rent 
DVDs or
  download them off the net...I dream nightly of owning a big 
screen TV...
  
   Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com  wrote:  
Agreed. While
  I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen
   changes the whole movie experience. You will come to love home 
viewing
   almost as much as the theatre. Besides you can rent them on 
Netflix
   until you can by the collections. I do that with lots of series
  
   Astromancer wrote:
 
   Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) 
You can hav the
  big screen
   and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big 
screen...)
  Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this 
is only a
  suggestion...
  
  
   [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net  
wrote:
   you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I 
was up really
  late this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 
am. I feel
  asleep, but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i 
think i heard
  an ep of DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember 
feeling
  vaguely angry at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour.
  
   I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards 
for Christmas.
  I keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen 
plasma TV, or
  getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, 
Battlestar
  Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), 
Babylon 5,
  original Trek, or DS9.
  
   I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9...
  
   -- Original message --
   From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com 
   Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape 
changers
   start melting and Odo 

[scifinoir2] Meet Your Makers - a salute to inventors who departed in 2007

2007-12-27 Thread ravenadal
Carbs are good for you! (please note that the inventor of Rice-a-Roni 
and the inventor of Ramen noodles lived to be 92 and 96 respectively).

(and, fellas, lets all pour a little wine on the ground for Robert 
Adler, the inventor of the remote control).

~rave!

www.chicagotribune.com/features/lifestyle/chi-
mxamakers1227dec27,1,2904513.story

chicagotribune.com

THE YEAR 2007 IN REVIEW

Meet your makers

As we bid farewell to 2007, let's salute the departed inventors whose 
imagination enriches our daily lives
By Kevin Pang

Tribune staff reporter

December 27, 2007

Modern hot air balloon

Invented by Paul Edward Yost

Died at 87 on May 27

Though hot air balloons date back more than 220 years, Yost, an Iowa-
born engineer, developed the technology in the late 1950's that 
allowed a balloon to carry its own fuel using a liquid propane 
burner. Yost also popularized the upside-down teardrop shape of 
modern hot air balloons.

Foosball

Invented by Alejandro Finisterre

Died at 87 on Feb. 9

When a bomb during the Spanish Civil War in 1936 left Finisterre 
without the use of his legs, the lifelong soccer fan became 
distraught over the possibility of not playing his favorite game 
again. So Finisterre found a carpenter who created a table to his 
specifications and carved figures to resemble players on the pitch. A 
basement, fraternity house and barroom tradition was born.

Remote control

Co-invented by Robert Adler

Died at 93 on Feb. 15

The Vienna-born physicist pioneered the wireless television remote 
control while working as an engineer for Zenith Electronics in 1956. 
Adler improved on an earlier remote control model that used light-
emitting technology (it would stop working in direct sunlight) with 
one that used high-frequency sound to communicate with the television 
set.

Nautilus exercise machines

Invented by Arthur Jones

Died at 80 on Aug. 28

In the 1960's, Jones changed the perception of fitness and 
bodybuilding, from the Mr. Universe method of hourslong training 
sessions to a style that stressed shorter sets with maximum exertion. 
Jones' Nautilus exercise machines also made strength training more 
accessible to the recreational user. The equipment did away with free 
weights, using a cable-and-pulley system that allowed users to easily 
change resistance.

Gatorade

Invented by James Robert Cade

Died at 80 on Nov. 27

It began with a question from a football coach at the University of 
Florida: Why don't football players urinate after games? Cade, a 
professor of medicine at the school, discovered players lost so much 
fluid through sweating in the sweltering Florida humidity, they had 
nothing left. Cade concocted Gatorade in 1965 - named after the 
school's Gators mascot - a lemon-flavored beverage that helped 
replace essential carbohydrates and electrolytes. Cade later 
introduced the short-lived Hop'n Gator, an alcoholic version of the 
drink.

Rice-a-Roni

Invented by Vincent DeDomenico

Died at 92 on Oct. 18

The son of Italian immigrants, the San Francisco-born DeDomenico 
introduced the San Francisco Treat to millions of dinner tables 
across the country. It was a neighbor's rice pilaf recipe that 
inspired DeDomenico to create a rice and macaroni dish for his 
family's pasta company. He added dry chicken soup mix to rice and 
vermicelli, packaged it in a cardboard box and began selling it as 
Rice-a-Roni in 1958. The ubiquitous jingle shortly followed, 
solidifying the dish's household status.

Benadryl

Invented by George Rieveschl

Died at 91 on Sept. 27

Rieveschl, a chemical engineering professor at the University of 
Cincinnati, was trying to develop a drug to relieve muscle spasms. 
Instead, he discovered the drug reduced histamines in the body, a 
chemical that causes allergy symptoms. In 1946, Rieveschl and 
partners began marketing this prescription drug under the name 
Benadryl.

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Invented by Momofuku Ando

Died at 96 on Jan. 5

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innovated in 1958 the flash-fry method of precooking noodles. In 
1971, his Ando's company began selling the Cup Noodles brand in 
Styrofoam containers, thus providing cheap late-night meals for 
millions of college students around the world.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
Yeah.  Bee venom comes as a prescription, used off label.  Meaning it is 
FDA approved for desensitizing patients from bee-sting allergies, but 
some doctors are beginning to prescribe it for alleviating pain, 
inflammation and other ailments.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 the mother of a friend of mine kept bees twenty years ago because she was 
 developing arthritis. The bee stings definitely improved her condition 
 greatly. Though, is there a way to get the benefit from the venom without 
 getting stung? 

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Never!!! if you have pain, try looking into bee sting therapy. I 
 know it sound nuts, but I heard about it on NPR. It is a growing 
 practice here in the states and apparently very popular in Asia

 Astromancer wrote:
   
 I fell on it, probably tore my rotator cuff...have to have if done before 
 construction season...So you're going back into modeling?

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 What happened to your shoulder?

 Astromancer wrote:

 
 I will too, provided I don't need surgery on my shoulder...

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 We had one for a while, but all this cross continent moving has changed 
 that. So , I have the same dreams. Hopefully, now that I am getting 
 well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a reality

 Astromancer wrote:


   
 I haven't been to the movies in several years...I either rent DVDs or 
 download them off the net...I dream nightly of owning a big screen TV...

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 Agreed. While I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen 
 changes the whole movie experience. You will come to love home viewing 
 almost as much as the theatre. Besides you can rent them on Netflix 
 until you can by the collections. I do that with lots of series

 Astromancer wrote:



 
 Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) You can hav the 
 big screen
 and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) 
 Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this is only a 
 suggestion...


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I was up really 
 late this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 am. I 
 feel asleep, but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i think i 
 heard an ep of DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember 
 feeling vaguely angry at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour.

 I got about two hundred bucks worth of Best Buy gift cards for Christmas. 
 I keep bouncing back between saving them for a big flatscreen plasma TV, 
 or getting the complete run of one of my favorite series: Avatar, 
 Battlestar Galactica, Homicide (one of the greatest TV dramas ever), 
 Babylon 5, original Trek, or DS9. 

 I keep finding myself leaning towards DS9...

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Refresh my memory. I forgot how it ended. Didn't the shape changers 
 start melting and Odo dump Kira, who, he had loved forever, to cure and 
 stay with them?

 Daryle wrote:




   
 The End of the Dominion War.


 On 12/26/07 2:38 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:






 
 During our discussion about over the top with bad plot block busters, we
 started talking about over the worse saves in speculative fiction
 movies. So far two were raised. They are:

 1. Data putting the freakin' Borg *to sleep* to save the day in Star
 Trek Next Generation

 2. How Jeff Goldblum was able to with his Mac laptop and a few hours of
 virus coding couldn't topple the computer system of a technologically
 superior society of interstellar conquerors on the first try in
 Independence Day

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Re: [scifinoir2] Saw 28 Weeks on DVD- Plot Holes, Plot Holes ....

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
What is World War Z ?

Martin wrote:
 I'm suprised that no one's optioned World War Z yet. Or am I behind the 
 curve?

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
 Now they are doing Russia. I hate it. With a little effort with the 
 plot, it could have been a good plot. It seems as if screen writers are 
 getting increasingly sloppy with plot holes these days

 Martin wrote:
   
 My thoughts?

 They should've left it at 28 Days After.

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: I've never been a big 
 zombie movie fan, but I loved 28 days. I think it 
 will one day be considered a classic. So I was really looking forward 
 to the sequel. Well we finally checked it out last night. It had lots 
 of great elements that reminded me of how Aliens complimented Alien, but 
 they really let me down with the numerous plot holes. and now there is 
 going to be a third installment in Russia.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
Hey Rave;

What was Denzel's directorial debut?  I don't remember

ravenadal wrote:
 My fifteen year-old daughter refuses to watch movies on anything but 
 the iMac in my office.  The digital clarity is amazing and it is a 
 much more intimate experience (especially with the lights out).

 I remember sitting in my high-backed, wide bottomed leather office 
 chair a couple of years ago watching Denzel Washington's directorial 
 debut on the i-Mac with my daughter on my lap and a son on either 
 side of me.  Man, that was good viewing.

 ~rave!

 --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Daryle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 I¹m going to say something that will probably have my US citizenship
 revoked.

 I have a Vizio brand 52 inch LCD HDTV big screen TV, and I hardly 
 
 watch it.
   
 In fact, I think if I got rid of it, and I¹d be pretty happy. I love
 watching games and an occasional movie on it ...but you know what I 
 
 like
   
 even more? I have an iMac in my office since I think 2004. I LOVE 
 
 watching
   
 movies and TV shows on my computer. When I settled in to watch 
 
 Sliders
   
 season 1 (which is still $20 at Wal Mart, btw) -- iMac. 
 
 Transformers on DVD?
   
 iMac. When I watched the LOTR DVDs it was on a much  smaller TV in 
 
 my
   
 office. I enjoy watching that smaller TV with my son because we 
 
 have our own
   
 chairs to sit in and get comfortable. And he¹s 4, so it¹s not 
 
 really  about
   
 what¹s on screen, it¹s the time we¹re spending together. We could be
 listening to  radio  serials and it would have the same effect. I 
 
 am waiting
   
 for the RE-remastered TOS episodes to go to iTunes because I will 
 
 download
   
 them all and watch them at the end of the day. I watch more TV on my
 computer than I do on the screen. When I¹m on the road I watch DVDs 
 
 on my
   
 laptop, and if Apple steps up their anime game...iPhone. My iTunes 
 
 library
   
 is pretty big, I listen to more music and podcasts than I watch  
 
 network TV.
   
 IN fact, if it  weren¹t for TCM and football, I would only watch 
 
 like 3
   
 hours of programmed TV a week. I know I can get  most  of the 
 
 movies I like
   
 on TCM from GreenCine or Netflix. I have been thinking about 
 
 getting Setanta
   
 Sports. If I could get it so that I could watch EPL games on my 
 
 iMac or
   
 laptop...I would really have no reason to watch a large screen TV. 
 
 In fact,
   
 I should run the numbers on what I  would be spending if I got a 
 
 package to
   
 watch soccer on my computers and bought tickets to go SEE football 
 
 games I
   
 wanted to see in Charlotte. If I downgraded my cable package, I may 
 
 actually
   
 end up spending the same amount of money and would have more fun.

 Of course,  as I say all this, I ended up getting the Blade Runner 
 
 DVD for
   
 Christmas and have not watched it yet. Once I do,  I will probably 
 
 be taking
   
 all of this back.



 On 12/27/07 5:50 AM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 
  
  
  

 We had one for a while, but all this cross continent moving has 
   
 changed
   
 that.  So , I have the same dreams.  Hopefully, now that I am 
   
 getting
   
 well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a 
   
 reality
   
 Astromancer wrote:
   
 I haven't been to the movies in several years...I either rent 
   
 DVDs or
   
 download them off the net...I dream nightly of owning a big 
 
 screen TV...
   
 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
   
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com  wrote:  
 
 Agreed. While
   
 I think you are a die hard movie goer, The big screen
 
 changes the whole movie experience. You will come to love home 
   
 viewing
   
 almost as much as the theatre. Besides you can rent them on 
   
 Netflix
   
 until you can by the collections. I do that with lots of series

 Astromancer wrote:
   
   
 Let me fix that...(big screen, big screen, big screen...) 
   
 You can hav the
   
 big screen
   
 and buy the collections later...(big screen, big screen, big 
   
 screen...)
   
 Everything will look so much better on that BIG SCREEN...this 
   
 is only a
   
 suggestion...
   
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net  
   
 wrote:
   
 you know, Tracey, just dicussing DS9 makes me nostalgic. I 
   
 was up really
   
 late this morning, and Voyager was being shown on Spike TV at 1 
   
 am. I feel
   
 asleep, but when i awoke for a moment an hour or so later, i 
   
 think i heard
   
 an ep of DS9 in the background. Fell asleep again, but remember 
   
 feeling
   
 vaguely angry at why it'd be on at such an inaccesible hour.
   
 I got about two 

Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Bhutto Apparently Killed in Attack

2007-12-27 Thread Gymfig
 
In a message dated 12/27/2007 12:41:43 PM Eastern Standard Time, 
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Me too. 



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Re: [scifinoir2] Call for: Worse Saves In SciFi History

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
Well there is know duplicating the 50 people yelling at the screen 
experience that you crave I know there is know getting you out of the 
theatre.  Regarding the Big Room/ Small Room conflict.  Chris and I have 
the reverse.  He loves big open room and I like lots of small cozy 
rooms. If we had the large open living room with the high ceilings, i 
would hang out in the office or the bedroom.  They look pretty, but I 
feel like I am in a lobby or waiting room. 

 I did the pillow fort thing too.  My daughter gets me to do it with her 
now.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 i don't like small TVs or screens. My living room TV is 32 and i can't wait 
 to upgrade to a 42 or 50 plasma so i can watch it from the den as well. 
 (that'll proabably be next Christmas, though).  I really like to see detail 
 on the screen, so small screens bug me. i like to be immersed in the complete 
 audio-visual experience (which is why, Tracey, I'll never give up the 
 theatrical experience, even when i get a big flatscreen).

 I do feel you on the small rooms, though. i wonder if it's because I grew up 
 in a small house (five rooms, three brothers in one bedroom) but I like 
 smaller, cozier, feeling rooms. When I see apartments or houses with giant 
 open plans and soaring, vaulted ceilings, i feel nervous and exposed. 
 Seriously. The biggest thing my wife and i had when we bought our house is 
 that, since it's older, it has smaller, discrete rooms, and only 8' ceilings. 
 My wife--who is only 5' tall--feels closed in by the rooms and the low 
 ceiling. But I--standing 6'1--feel just fine. She wants our next house to be 
 open plan, where the kitchen, den, and living room are all more or less 
 visible, similar to one big one. She even has been talking about getting a 
 loft. My comment to her was that if we do that, i'll almost never be in the 
 living room, probably spending all my time in a smaller guest bedroom. And a 
 loft is right out, i'm afraid.


 I was the kind of kid who'd find a spot on the couch, then cover myself in 
 pillows to have a fort or something, and feel completely snug and 
 comfortable. The first time I left my neighborhood on foot (instead of in a 
 car) i was a young child walking our dogs with my mom. My old neighborhood is 
 surrounded by freeways, a river, and a railroad track, and has lots of trees. 
 It's one of those where you can feel a bit sequesterd in spots. So, when we 
 walked out of the neighborhood i was greeted by the sight of the trees 
 dropping away to reveal a large expanse of flat land that ran to the freeway, 
 which arcs upward to a bridge. All around me was open sky, open fields, a 
 giant freeway. I freaked out and had to walk back. Soon as I got behind the 
 cover of the trees again, i felt better.  

 To this day really open spaces make me feel a bit nervous and exposed. You 
 know how some people have nightmares about being entrapped, closed in? My 
 nightmares typically find me in an open plain, flat to the horizon, with the 
 exception of a giant building or ship towering above me. The terror i feel at 
 standing in the shadow of a giant cruise ship or spaceship or building 
 towering a thousand feet above me is hard to describe. Yet i'm not afraid of 
 heights...

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Don't really know. Just always have. And I should clarify- the storage room 
 I speak of was actually the master bedroom of my apartment. I don't like big 
 rooms, either, and didn't even use the room when I had the apartment, save 
 for book and comic storage. I could've gone in and watched it (the TV) easily 
 enough.

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I 
 actually like small tvs myself. I do not prefer them, but I shocked 
 my husband when we first started living together. if we both wanted to 
 watch tv and view different programs, I would offer to go watch the 
 small TV in the bedroom. I like the coziness. So you are not totally 
 alone in your penchant for small TVs. However, I would not put a large 
 TV in a storage room. I like them too. Why do you prefer small TVs?

 Martin wrote:
   
 I'm often alone in my weirdness, and I don't think this will be an exception.

 I've never liked big TVs. I had a 30 once, and hated the thing. I kept in 
 in my bedroom initially, and moved it into my storage room a month later. 
 Since, I've owned nothing bigger than a 19 screen. Right now, I have a 13

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: We had one for a 
 while, but all this cross continent moving has changed 
 that. So , I have the same dreams. Hopefully, now that I am getting 
 well and starting to work again, those dreams will become a reality

 Astromancer wrote:
 
 I haven't been to the movies in several years...I either rent DVDs or 
 download them off the net...I dream nightly of owning a big screen TV...

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) wrote: Agreed. 

Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
No, but you got my attention.  anybody, anybody??

James Landrith wrote:
 This discussion has reminded me of a series I used to watch in the late
 1980's.

  

 I believe it came on Friday nights in the Peoria area in syndication.

  

 The show was of UK origin and featured a new dark fantasy (and possibly and
 occasional science fiction theme) each week with no recurring characters -
 kind of a dark fantasy Outer Limits.

  

 Ring any bells?

  
   


 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
Sometimes my box gets so filled, I have to do a mass delete.  
Unfortunately I missed it, but we are probably going to do a 
nightwatch/.daywatch movie afternoon on new years day. 

maidmarian_thepoet wrote:
 I was raving about DayWatch just a few weeks ago.  I loved it, 
 especially the imagery.  It's non-western so the choices of 
 representative imagery is just slightly off from the way we see things 
 done over-and-over-and-over.

 --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
 Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Looking for some flix to rent on Netflix over the weekend.  I just 
 
 saw a 
   
 preview for Day Watch, that was interesting.  Has anyone hear of it 
 
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 its prequel Night Watch.  
 



  
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[scifinoir2] Re: National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(

2007-12-27 Thread Meta
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly
Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I was thinking of getting Kira set next year, maybe we will try Brio 
 wooden tracks too.  Are they easy to assemble.  
Brio tracks are very easy for young children. When my son was about
three I bought them for him and he had no problem assembling
them at all. They're not cheap cost wise, but as they last forever
it averages out in the long run.
Meta



Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
I remember it.  It used to come on Fridays late at night in Philly

James Landrith wrote:
 Upon experimenting with search terms, I have stumbled upon Hammer House of
 Horror originally broadcast in Europe in 1980 and repackaged for
 syndication in the U.S. in the mid-1980s.  This may be it.

 I'd have to watch an episode or two to verify:

 http://homepages.tesco.net/~dr.phibes/

 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080231/


 -Original Message-
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
 Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 2:05 PM
 To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?

 No, but you got my attention.  anybody, anybody??

 James Landrith wrote:
   
 This discussion has reminded me of a series I used to watch in the late
 1980's.

  

 I believe it came on Friday nights in the Peoria area in syndication.

  

 The show was of UK origin and featured a new dark fantasy (and possibly
 
 and
   
 occasional science fiction theme) each week with no recurring characters -
 kind of a dark fantasy Outer Limits.

  

 Ring any bells?

  
   
 


  
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
You guys are making me wish I got them this Christmas.  Maybe I get her 
a starter pack and the Uncle, Grandmom  and I can add on for her B-day 
and Christmas

Meta wrote:
 --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly
 Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 I was thinking of getting Kira set next year, maybe we will try Brio 
 wooden tracks too.  Are they easy to assemble.  
 
 Brio tracks are very easy for young children. When my son was about
 three I bought them for him and he had no problem assembling
 them at all. They're not cheap cost wise, but as they last forever
 it averages out in the long run.
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[scifinoir2] Re: Can't Wait for Cloverfield

2007-12-27 Thread B. Smith
I just hope they can keep the intensity and suspense at a high levels 
throughout the entire movie while dishing up monster movie goodness. 
I've heard a few spoilerfic rumors and if they are true this movie 
may be as bleak as The Mist.

Have you seen any of the tv spots yet? All I will say is that one of 
them gives you a better look at the after effects of a monster bite. 
Yikes.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer 
for Cloverfield, the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abrams (Lost, 
Alias, MI-3, Star Trek). The monster(s) isn't(aren't) shown, but talk 
about a suspenseful buildup! Seeing the freakin' Statue of Liberty's 
head come sailing through the air *all the way from the water* to 
crash into the street? Awesome. There's also a scene showing the 
military firing like crazy at something we never see. It reminds me 
of the great scene in Spieldberg's War of the Worlds when the 
military attacks the Martians on that hillside and the whole area 
literally lights up with weapons fire.  
 
 The Apple site has two trailers. The one labeled trailer is 
longer and shows more stuff. it's the one you'll see at many other 
sites. The one labeled teaser gives a slightly different angle. 
Check 'em out. If you can't see the Apple trailers, try the second 
link below, which is to a MovieWeb page with lots of videos, 
including a two second glimpse of the monster (can't see a darn 
thing, though). Hard to find a lot of stuff on this film, as there's 
no real officiall movie site, but i included some info from a blogger 
below the trailers.
 
 If nothing else, Abrams knows how to tell an exciting, fast-paced 
story, and he actually believes in good plotting and acting as well. 
he also is a fan of old-fashioned monster flicks like Godzilla. So 
this looks to be a fun ride. The fact that the script has been kept 
secret, along with any view of the creature, is only heightening the 
anticipation. I'm looking forward to this movie! 
 
 Trailers: http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/cloverfield/
  http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/53/5153/videos/
 
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 http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=10118 
 
 
 What is Cloverfield?
 
 This is the question that has been debated across North America in 
the hours since Transformers debuted the teaser to this upcoming 2008 
release. Shrouded in mystery since its inception, the plot of 
Cloverfield is one of the most carefully guarded secrets in Hollywood 
right now.
 
 BOP is generally not in the business of breaking news as it 
generally leads to more aggravation than it's worth, but for the 
first time since we unveiled the voice cast of The Incredibles, we 
are going to make an exception and do so here in order to clear up 
some of the mystery. Cloverfield is a J.J. Abrams production, so it 
should not be surprising to hear that a couple of key players from 
Abrams' television shows are on board.
 
 The writer is Drew Goddard. Goddard has been a producer on both 
Alias and Lost and served as co-executive producer for the latter 
show's 2007 episodes. Fans of Joss Whedon (and BOP knows there are a 
ton of you out there since we sometimes double as a Firefly fan site) 
also know him as a writer for several episodes of Buffy the Vampire 
Slayer and Angel. Goddard was the principal scribe on Dirty Girls, 
the episode from Buffy season seven. This episode featured the return 
of Faith as well as the transition of Nathan Fillion from the 
recently canceled Firefly to Buffy wherein he portrayed a nefarious, 
misogynistic man of the cloth. Goddard's work on Angel primarily 
occurred during that show's final season as well. He wrote the World 
War II submarine epic, Why We Fight, and earned his place in 
permanent Whedon-lore for his invention of The Immortal in The Girl 
in Question. Clearly, he is one of the most inventive and imaginative 
young writers in the industry. His presence alone is indic
 ative of a quality work in the offing.
 
 Abrams has not left anything to chance, though. He has also hired 
one of his most trusted co-workers from the early days of Felicity 
for this project. BOP has confirmed that Matt Reeves is the director 
on this project. Reeves is the writer/director of the 1996 David 
Schwimmer comedy, The Pallbearer, and he served as executive producer 
during the run of Felicity (pre- and post-Keri Russell haircut). 
Reeves and Abrams created that project together with Reeves even 
writing and directing the pilot, so their working relationship goes 
back a decade now. When Goddard came up with the premise for 
Cloverfield, Reeves was the easy choice to helm the project.
 
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RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?

2007-12-27 Thread James Landrith
This confirms it.

 

Yeah, I used to watch it late night on Fridays in Peoria while the parents
were at their weekly night out with the aunt and uncle.

 

I had babysit-your-brothers-duty those night.  So naturally, I controlled
the TV once they were in bed.

 

 

 

From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 2:54 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Night Watch/ Day Watch- Seen them?

 

I remember it. It used to come on Fridays late at night in Philly

James Landrith wrote:
 Upon experimenting with search terms, I have stumbled upon Hammer House
of
 Horror originally broadcast in Europe in 1980 and repackaged for
 syndication in the U.S. in the mid-1980s. This may be it.

 I'd have to watch an episode or two to verify:

 http://homepages.tesco.net/~dr.phibes/

 http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0080231/




 



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SPOILERS !!!!Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Saw 28 Weeks on DVD- Plot Holes, Plot Holes ....

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
S

P

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I

L

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where should I start.  The thing is plagued by holes

~ You have a master plan for evacuating in case of out break and it 
includes Holding people on a subway platform in the dark with only a 
thing steel door blocking them from access and no guards.

~.  With a disease that is transmitted by contact with blood and saliva 
and the staffing does not were sterilization clothing until it is 
verified that the patient is not infected

~.  The infected were  not cunning in the previous movie or even this 
one, yet the infected husband was and determined to specifically kill 
his kids.  If he was like the other infected, he would not have been 
able to get about, because he would not have known how to swipe the cards

~.  The infected husband seemed to have a GPS tracking device that 
enabled him to follow his kids all over the city

~ they saw the kids escape the protected area, yet it took them a long 
time to catch them by helicopter in London with all those security cameras

~  The husband was an apartment manager, yet had key card access to 
secured areas
~ I think the minute the doctor discovered that the wife was inflected, 
she would have called the guards in the section to change how the 
patient was cared for

`  There was only one doctor with no nurses, assistants, lab techs, etc. 
to care for everyone and do medical research

~  When the soldiers and leaders saw blood spatter on people they came 
in contact with, they still touched them

~  The section of the city that they occupied was not walled up in case 
of containment.

~ There were no guards on the perimeter of the city to prevent escape

~ . The doctor saving the kids had no way to communicate to the leaders 
her intent to save them and why, even though she did have a walkie 
talkie at first.  Then she did not ask the soldier she was with to use 
his.  She indicated that they should sacrifice themselves to save the 
kids, but she did not arrange for the kids to know that if they got it 
they would be carriers, not provide them with instruction on what to do 
and who to contact if she died.  She cause the disease to spread around 
the world.

~ If the infected are guided by instinct, why did the father kill the 
doctor with the butt of his gun and not bite like he did everyone else

There are many more, so small and easy to ignore, like a few listed 
above, but also a few big ones.

What bother you the most?



B. Smith wrote:
 Which holes bugged you the most? When the movie came out I had a few 
 gripes as well.

 BTW I heartily recommend World War Z and the monthly comic The Walking 
 Dead. Lots of zombie goodness in those.

 --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey 
 L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 I've never been a big zombie movie fan, but I loved 28 days.  I think 
 
 it 
   
 will one day be considered a classic.  So I was really looking 
 
 forward 
   
 to the sequel.  Well we finally checked it out last night.  It had 
 
 lots 
   
 of great elements that reminded me of how Aliens complimented Alien, 
 
 but 
   
 they really let me down with the numerous plot holes.  and now there 
 
 is 
   
 going to be a third installment in Russia.

 Any thoughts?

 




  
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Can't Wait for Cloverfield

2007-12-27 Thread KeithBJohnson
is being as bleak as the Mist a bad thing? I meant to ask if anyone saw that 
film. Was it any good?

-- Original message -- 
From: B. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
I just hope they can keep the intensity and suspense at a high levels 
throughout the entire movie while dishing up monster movie goodness. 
I've heard a few spoilerfic rumors and if they are true this movie 
may be as bleak as The Mist.

Have you seen any of the tv spots yet? All I will say is that one of 
them gives you a better look at the after effects of a monster bite. 
Yikes.

--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer 
for Cloverfield, the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abrams (Lost, 
Alias, MI-3, Star Trek). The monster(s) isn't(aren't) shown, but talk 
about a suspenseful buildup! Seeing the freakin' Statue of Liberty's 
head come sailing through the air *all the way from the water* to 
crash into the street? Awesome. There's also a scene showing the 
military firing like crazy at something we never see. It reminds me 
of the great scene in Spieldberg's War of the Worlds when the 
military attacks the Martians on that hillside and the whole area 
literally lights up with weapons fire. 
 
 The Apple site has two trailers. The one labeled trailer is 
longer and shows more stuff. it's the one you'll see at many other 
sites. The one labeled teaser gives a slightly different angle. 
Check 'em out. If you can't see the Apple trailers, try the second 
link below, which is to a MovieWeb page with lots of videos, 
including a two second glimpse of the monster (can't see a darn 
thing, though). Hard to find a lot of stuff on this film, as there's 
no real officiall movie site, but i included some info from a blogger 
below the trailers.
 
 If nothing else, Abrams knows how to tell an exciting, fast-paced 
story, and he actually believes in good plotting and acting as well. 
he also is a fan of old-fashioned monster flicks like Godzilla. So 
this looks to be a fun ride. The fact that the script has been kept 
secret, along with any view of the creature, is only heightening the 
anticipation. I'm looking forward to this movie! 
 
 Trailers: http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/cloverfield/
 http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/53/5153/videos/
 
 ***
 
 http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=10118 
 
 
 What is Cloverfield?
 
 This is the question that has been debated across North America in 
the hours since Transformers debuted the teaser to this upcoming 2008 
release. Shrouded in mystery since its inception, the plot of 
Cloverfield is one of the most carefully guarded secrets in Hollywood 
right now.
 
 BOP is generally not in the business of breaking news as it 
generally leads to more aggravation than it's worth, but for the 
first time since we unveiled the voice cast of The Incredibles, we 
are going to make an exception and do so here in order to clear up 
some of the mystery. Cloverfield is a J.J. Abrams production, so it 
should not be surprising to hear that a couple of key players from 
Abrams' television shows are on board.
 
 The writer is Drew Goddard. Goddard has been a producer on both 
Alias and Lost and served as co-executive producer for the latter 
show's 2007 episodes. Fans of Joss Whedon (and BOP knows there are a 
ton of you out there since we sometimes double as a Firefly fan site) 
also know him as a writer for several episodes of Buffy the Vampire 
Slayer and Angel. Goddard was the principal scribe on Dirty Girls, 
the episode from Buffy season seven. This episode featured the return 
of Faith as well as the transition of Nathan Fillion from the 
recently canceled Firefly to Buffy wherein he portrayed a nefarious, 
misogynistic man of the cloth. Goddard's work on Angel primarily 
occurred during that show's final season as well. He wrote the World 
War II submarine epic, Why We Fight, and earned his place in 
permanent Whedon-lore for his invention of The Immortal in The Girl 
in Question. Clearly, he is one of the most inventive and imaginative 
young writers in the industry. His presence alone is indic
 ative of a quality work in the offing.
 
 Abrams has not left anything to chance, though. He has also hired 
one of his most trusted co-workers from the early days of Felicity 
for this project. BOP has confirmed that Matt Reeves is the director 
on this project. Reeves is the writer/director of the 1996 David 
Schwimmer comedy, The Pallbearer, and he served as executive producer 
during the run of Felicity (pre- and post-Keri Russell haircut). 
Reeves and Abrams created that project together with Reeves even 
writing and directing the pilot, so their working relationship goes 
back a decade now. When Goddard came up with the premise for 
Cloverfield, Reeves was the easy choice to helm the project.
 
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Re: SPOILERS !!!!Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Saw 28 Weeks on DVD- Plot Holes, Plot Holes ....

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
How I got through all the planning errors made the greatest military 
force in the world, was assume that rumsfeld was behind the planning.  
I guess Brownie handled the civilian planning.  I thought of your 
tactics as well.  I also think if they could not have contained it, 
instead of napalm they would have used a nuclear warhead to be sure to 
eliminate the global threat.

two more.  Going back in with a civilian population (including kids) in 
only six months - I don't think so

Where was England's civilian leadership or the businesses who likely 
drove the move back.  The all American move was odd. Especially since 
Danny Boyle executive produced the movie

B. Smith wrote:
 Looks like we had the same gripes. LOL

 The military tactics left a lot to be desired as well. 

 Why weren't all escape routes from the Isle of Dogs cutoff in order 
 to isolate the contagion? The Infected couldn't swim so flooding the 
 tunnels and blowing the bridges would have kept an outbreak localized.

 --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
 Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 S

 P

 O

 I

 L

 E

 R

 S



 where should I start.  The thing is plagued by holes

 ~ You have a master plan for evacuating in case of out break and it 
 includes Holding people on a subway platform in the dark with only 
 
 a 
   
 thing steel door blocking them from access and no guards.

 ~.  With a disease that is transmitted by contact with blood and 
 
 saliva 
   
 and the staffing does not were sterilization clothing until it is 
 verified that the patient is not infected

 ~.  The infected were  not cunning in the previous movie or even 
 
 this 
   
 one, yet the infected husband was and determined to specifically 
 
 kill 
   
 his kids.  If he was like the other infected, he would not have 
 
 been 
   
 able to get about, because he would not have known how to swipe the 
 
 cards
   
 ~.  The infected husband seemed to have a GPS tracking device that 
 enabled him to follow his kids all over the city

 ~ they saw the kids escape the protected area, yet it took them a 
 
 long 
   
 time to catch them by helicopter in London with all those security 
 
 cameras
   
 ~  The husband was an apartment manager, yet had key card access to 
 secured areas
 ~ I think the minute the doctor discovered that the wife was 
 
 inflected, 
   
 she would have called the guards in the section to change how the 
 patient was cared for

 `  There was only one doctor with no nurses, assistants, lab techs, 
 
 etc. 
   
 to care for everyone and do medical research

 ~  When the soldiers and leaders saw blood spatter on people they 
 
 came 
   
 in contact with, they still touched them

 ~  The section of the city that they occupied was not walled up in 
 
 case 
   
 of containment.

 ~ There were no guards on the perimeter of the city to prevent 
 
 escape
   
 ~ . The doctor saving the kids had no way to communicate to the 
 
 leaders 
   
 her intent to save them and why, even though she did have a walkie 
 talkie at first.  Then she did not ask the soldier she was with to 
 
 use 
   
 his.  She indicated that they should sacrifice themselves to save 
 
 the 
   
 kids, but she did not arrange for the kids to know that if they got 
 
 it 
   
 they would be carriers, not provide them with instruction on what 
 
 to do 
   
 and who to contact if she died.  She cause the disease to spread 
 
 around 
   
 the world.

 ~ If the infected are guided by instinct, why did the father kill 
 
 the 
   
 doctor with the butt of his gun and not bite like he did everyone 
 
 else
   
 There are many more, so small and easy to ignore, like a few listed 
 above, but also a few big ones.

 What bother you the most?



 B. Smith wrote:
 
 Which holes bugged you the most? When the movie came out I had a 
   
 few 
   
 gripes as well.

 BTW I heartily recommend World War Z and the monthly comic The 
   
 Walking 
   
 Dead. Lots of zombie goodness in those.

 --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella (formerly 
   
 Tracey 
   
 L. Minor) tdlists@ wrote:
   
   
 I've never been a big zombie movie fan, but I loved 28 days.  I 
 
 think 
   
 
 
 it 
   
   
 will one day be considered a classic.  So I was really looking 
 
 
 forward 
   
   
 to the sequel.  Well we finally checked it out last night.  It 
 
 had 
   
 
 
 lots 
   
   
 of great elements that reminded me of how Aliens complimented 
 
 Alien, 
   
 
 
 but 
   
   
 they really let me down with the numerous plot holes.  and now 
 
 there 
   
 
 
 is 
   
   
 going to be a third installment in Russia.

 Any thoughts?

 
 


  
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2007-12-27 Thread Mike Street
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2007-12-27 Thread g123curious
You've heard his denials. Now see the holiday song:
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Re: [scifinoir2] OT: Bhutto Apparently Killed in Attack

2007-12-27 Thread Liggins Bill
If Mrs. Bhutto's life were a screenplay, it would have
been rejected by Hollywood producers as being fantasy.

I will miss this beautiful leading character on the
world's stage. 

The violent end to Mrs. Bhutto's life may be the
violent beginning of the decline of Al Qaida and
militant Islam.


--- Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm still numb at the realization. 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  I admired this person
 greatly. When I first heard about her I was curios.
 How 
 can a woman be a leader in a Muslim country? I know
 that Pakistan is moderate 
 but I was still curious. I came to admired because
 she was the complete 
 package. She was intelligent, driven, beautiful etc.
 She did not go through the 
 motions of being a leader. When women leaders were
 not common, she did not run as 
 a woman but as a leader. She could be a woman but
 also be to a tough task 
 master. I am sure that the other opposition leader
 could be involved too. He 
 could be far more favorable to the army. Who knows. 
 
 This is very depressing news. 
 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Can't Wait for Cloverfield

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
Did you like Mist?  I read the ending to the movie and the book, (I knew 
it would be ages before I got to see it) and I've got to say the ending 
movie is has got to be one of the most bleak in movie history.  What are 
your thoughts on how he choose to deviate from the book and dramatically 
change the ending?

B. Smith wrote:
 I just hope they can keep the intensity and suspense at a high levels 
 throughout the entire movie while dishing up monster movie goodness. 
 I've heard a few spoilerfic rumors and if they are true this movie 
 may be as bleak as The Mist.

 Have you seen any of the tv spots yet? All I will say is that one of 
 them gives you a better look at the after effects of a monster bite. 
 Yikes.

 --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   
 Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer 
 
 for Cloverfield, the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abrams (Lost, 
 Alias, MI-3, Star Trek). The monster(s) isn't(aren't) shown, but talk 
 about a suspenseful buildup! Seeing the freakin' Statue of Liberty's 
 head come sailing through the air *all the way from the water* to 
 crash into the street? Awesome. There's also a scene showing the 
 military firing like crazy at something we never see. It reminds me 
 of the great scene in Spieldberg's War of the Worlds when the 
 military attacks the Martians on that hillside and the whole area 
 literally lights up with weapons fire.  
   
 The Apple site has two trailers. The one labeled trailer is 
 
 longer and shows more stuff. it's the one you'll see at many other 
 sites. The one labeled teaser gives a slightly different angle. 
 Check 'em out. If you can't see the Apple trailers, try the second 
 link below, which is to a MovieWeb page with lots of videos, 
 including a two second glimpse of the monster (can't see a darn 
 thing, though). Hard to find a lot of stuff on this film, as there's 
 no real officiall movie site, but i included some info from a blogger 
 below the trailers.
   
 If nothing else, Abrams knows how to tell an exciting, fast-paced 
 
 story, and he actually believes in good plotting and acting as well. 
 he also is a fan of old-fashioned monster flicks like Godzilla. So 
 this looks to be a fun ride. The fact that the script has been kept 
 secret, along with any view of the creature, is only heightening the 
 anticipation. I'm looking forward to this movie! 
   
 Trailers: http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/cloverfield/
  http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/53/5153/videos/

 ***

 http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=10118 


 What is Cloverfield?

 This is the question that has been debated across North America in 
 
 the hours since Transformers debuted the teaser to this upcoming 2008 
 release. Shrouded in mystery since its inception, the plot of 
 Cloverfield is one of the most carefully guarded secrets in Hollywood 
 right now.
   
 BOP is generally not in the business of breaking news as it 
 
 generally leads to more aggravation than it's worth, but for the 
 first time since we unveiled the voice cast of The Incredibles, we 
 are going to make an exception and do so here in order to clear up 
 some of the mystery. Cloverfield is a J.J. Abrams production, so it 
 should not be surprising to hear that a couple of key players from 
 Abrams' television shows are on board.
   
 The writer is Drew Goddard. Goddard has been a producer on both 
 
 Alias and Lost and served as co-executive producer for the latter 
 show's 2007 episodes. Fans of Joss Whedon (and BOP knows there are a 
 ton of you out there since we sometimes double as a Firefly fan site) 
 also know him as a writer for several episodes of Buffy the Vampire 
 Slayer and Angel. Goddard was the principal scribe on Dirty Girls, 
 the episode from Buffy season seven. This episode featured the return 
 of Faith as well as the transition of Nathan Fillion from the 
 recently canceled Firefly to Buffy wherein he portrayed a nefarious, 
 misogynistic man of the cloth. Goddard's work on Angel primarily 
 occurred during that show's final season as well. He wrote the World 
 War II submarine epic, Why We Fight, and earned his place in 
 permanent Whedon-lore for his invention of The Immortal in The Girl 
 in Question. Clearly, he is one of the most inventive and imaginative 
 young writers in the industry. His presence alone is indic
   
 ative of a quality work in the offing.

 Abrams has not left anything to chance, though. He has also hired 
 
 one of his most trusted co-workers from the early days of Felicity 
 for this project. BOP has confirmed that Matt Reeves is the director 
 on this project. Reeves is the writer/director of the 1996 David 
 Schwimmer comedy, The Pallbearer, and he served as executive producer 
 during the run of Felicity (pre- and post-Keri Russell haircut). 
 Reeves and Abrams created that project together with 

Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for Cloverfield

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
maybe he is returning to his roots as a master storyteller

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer for 
 Cloverfield, the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abrams (Lost, Alias, 
 MI-3, Star Trek). The monster(s) isn't(aren't) shown, but talk about a 
 suspenseful buildup! Seeing the freakin' Statue of Liberty's head come 
 sailing through the air *all the way from the water* to crash into the 
 street? Awesome. There's also a scene showing the military firing like crazy 
 at something we never see. It reminds me of the great scene in Spieldberg's 
 War of the Worlds when the military attacks the Martians on that hillside 
 and the whole area literally lights up with weapons fire.  

 The Apple site has two trailers. The one labeled trailer is longer and 
 shows more stuff. it's the one you'll see at many other sites. The one 
 labeled teaser gives a slightly different angle. Check 'em out. If you 
 can't see the Apple trailers, try the second link below, which is to a 
 MovieWeb page with lots of videos, including a two second glimpse of the 
 monster (can't see a darn thing, though). Hard to find a lot of stuff on this 
 film, as there's no real officiall movie site, but i included some info from 
 a blogger below the trailers.

 If nothing else, Abrams knows how to tell an exciting, fast-paced story, and 
 he actually believes in good plotting and acting as well. he also is a fan of 
 old-fashioned monster flicks like Godzilla. So this looks to be a fun ride. 
 The fact that the script has been kept secret, along with any view of the 
 creature, is only heightening the anticipation. I'm looking forward to this 
 movie! 

 Trailers: http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/cloverfield/
  http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/53/5153/videos/

 ***

 http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=10118 


 What is Cloverfield?

 This is the question that has been debated across North America in the hours 
 since Transformers debuted the teaser to this upcoming 2008 release. Shrouded 
 in mystery since its inception, the plot of Cloverfield is one of the most 
 carefully guarded secrets in Hollywood right now.

 BOP is generally not in the business of breaking news as it generally leads 
 to more aggravation than it's worth, but for the first time since we unveiled 
 the voice cast of The Incredibles, we are going to make an exception and do 
 so here in order to clear up some of the mystery. Cloverfield is a J.J. 
 Abrams production, so it should not be surprising to hear that a couple of 
 key players from Abrams' television shows are on board.

 The writer is Drew Goddard. Goddard has been a producer on both Alias and 
 Lost and served as co-executive producer for the latter show's 2007 episodes. 
 Fans of Joss Whedon (and BOP knows there are a ton of you out there since we 
 sometimes double as a Firefly fan site) also know him as a writer for several 
 episodes of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel. Goddard was the principal 
 scribe on Dirty Girls, the episode from Buffy season seven. This episode 
 featured the return of Faith as well as the transition of Nathan Fillion from 
 the recently canceled Firefly to Buffy wherein he portrayed a nefarious, 
 misogynistic man of the cloth. Goddard's work on Angel primarily occurred 
 during that show's final season as well. He wrote the World War II submarine 
 epic, Why We Fight, and earned his place in permanent Whedon-lore for his 
 invention of The Immortal in The Girl in Question. Clearly, he is one of the 
 most inventive and imaginative young writers in the industry. His presence 
 alone is
   indic
 ative of a quality work in the offing.

 Abrams has not left anything to chance, though. He has also hired one of his 
 most trusted co-workers from the early days of Felicity for this project. BOP 
 has confirmed that Matt Reeves is the director on this project. Reeves is the 
 writer/director of the 1996 David Schwimmer comedy, The Pallbearer, and he 
 served as executive producer during the run of Felicity (pre- and post-Keri 
 Russell haircut). Reeves and Abrams created that project together with Reeves 
 even writing and directing the pilot, so their working relationship goes back 
 a decade now. When Goddard came up with the premise for Cloverfield, Reeves 
 was the easy choice to helm the project.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for Cloverfield

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
found some pix of the monster
http://www.massiveblack.com/stabby/stabbysidefinal.jpg
http://www.massiveblack.com/stabby/paint16.jpg

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer for 
 Cloverfield, the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abrams (Lost, Alias, 
 MI-3, Star Trek). The monster(s) isn't(aren't) shown, but talk about a 
 suspenseful buildup! Seeing the freakin' Statue of Liberty's head come 
 sailing through the air *all the way from the water* to crash into the 
 street? Awesome. There's also a scene showing the military firing like crazy 
 at something we never see. It reminds me of the great scene in Spieldberg's 
 War of the Worlds when the military attacks the Martians on that hillside 
 and the whole area literally lights up with weapons fire.  

 The Apple site has two trailers. The one labeled trailer is longer and 
 shows more stuff. it's the one you'll see at many other sites. The one 
 labeled teaser gives a slightly different angle. Check 'em out. If you 
 can't see the Apple trailers, try the second link below, which is to a 
 MovieWeb page with lots of videos, including a two second glimpse of the 
 monster (can't see a darn thing, though). Hard to find a lot of stuff on this 
 film, as there's no real officiall movie site, but i included some info from 
 a blogger below the trailers.

 If nothing else, Abrams knows how to tell an exciting, fast-paced story, and 
 he actually believes in good plotting and acting as well. he also is a fan of 
 old-fashioned monster flicks like Godzilla. So this looks to be a fun ride. 
 The fact that the script has been kept secret, along with any view of the 
 creature, is only heightening the anticipation. I'm looking forward to this 
 movie! 

 Trailers: http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/cloverfield/
  http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/53/5153/videos/

 ***

 http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=10118 


 What is Cloverfield?

 This is the question that has been debated across North America in the hours 
 since Transformers debuted the teaser to this upcoming 2008 release. Shrouded 
 in mystery since its inception, the plot of Cloverfield is one of the most 
 carefully guarded secrets in Hollywood right now.

 BOP is generally not in the business of breaking news as it generally leads 
 to more aggravation than it's worth, but for the first time since we unveiled 
 the voice cast of The Incredibles, we are going to make an exception and do 
 so here in order to clear up some of the mystery. Cloverfield is a J.J. 
 Abrams production, so it should not be surprising to hear that a couple of 
 key players from Abrams' television shows are on board.

 The writer is Drew Goddard. Goddard has been a producer on both Alias and 
 Lost and served as co-executive producer for the latter show's 2007 episodes. 
 Fans of Joss Whedon (and BOP knows there are a ton of you out there since we 
 sometimes double as a Firefly fan site) also know him as a writer for several 
 episodes of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel. Goddard was the principal 
 scribe on Dirty Girls, the episode from Buffy season seven. This episode 
 featured the return of Faith as well as the transition of Nathan Fillion from 
 the recently canceled Firefly to Buffy wherein he portrayed a nefarious, 
 misogynistic man of the cloth. Goddard's work on Angel primarily occurred 
 during that show's final season as well. He wrote the World War II submarine 
 epic, Why We Fight, and earned his place in permanent Whedon-lore for his 
 invention of The Immortal in The Girl in Question. Clearly, he is one of the 
 most inventive and imaginative young writers in the industry. His presence 
 alone is
   indic
 ative of a quality work in the offing.

 Abrams has not left anything to chance, though. He has also hired one of his 
 most trusted co-workers from the early days of Felicity for this project. BOP 
 has confirmed that Matt Reeves is the director on this project. Reeves is the 
 writer/director of the 1996 David Schwimmer comedy, The Pallbearer, and he 
 served as executive producer during the run of Felicity (pre- and post-Keri 
 Russell haircut). Reeves and Abrams created that project together with Reeves 
 even writing and directing the pilot, so their working relationship goes back 
 a decade now. When Goddard came up with the premise for Cloverfield, Reeves 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for Cloverfield

2007-12-27 Thread Martin
Sort of a Cthtulu look to it.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
found some pix of the monster
http://www.massiveblack.com/stabby/stabbysidefinal.jpg
http://www.massiveblack.com/stabby/paint16.jpg

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer for 
 Cloverfield, the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abrams (Lost, Alias, 
 MI-3, Star Trek). The monster(s) isn't(aren't) shown, but talk about a 
 suspenseful buildup! Seeing the freakin' Statue of Liberty's head come 
 sailing through the air *all the way from the water* to crash into the 
 street? Awesome. There's also a scene showing the military firing like crazy 
 at something we never see. It reminds me of the great scene in Spieldberg's 
 War of the Worlds when the military attacks the Martians on that hillside 
 and the whole area literally lights up with weapons fire.  

 The Apple site has two trailers. The one labeled trailer is longer and 
 shows more stuff. it's the one you'll see at many other sites. The one 
 labeled teaser gives a slightly different angle. Check 'em out. If you 
 can't see the Apple trailers, try the second link below, which is to a 
 MovieWeb page with lots of videos, including a two second glimpse of the 
 monster (can't see a darn thing, though). Hard to find a lot of stuff on this 
 film, as there's no real officiall movie site, but i included some info from 
 a blogger below the trailers.

 If nothing else, Abrams knows how to tell an exciting, fast-paced story, and 
 he actually believes in good plotting and acting as well. he also is a fan of 
 old-fashioned monster flicks like Godzilla. So this looks to be a fun ride. 
 The fact that the script has been kept secret, along with any view of the 
 creature, is only heightening the anticipation. I'm looking forward to this 
 movie! 

 Trailers: http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/cloverfield/
  http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/53/5153/videos/

 ***

 http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=10118 


 What is Cloverfield?

 This is the question that has been debated across North America in the hours 
 since Transformers debuted the teaser to this upcoming 2008 release. Shrouded 
 in mystery since its inception, the plot of Cloverfield is one of the most 
 carefully guarded secrets in Hollywood right now.

 BOP is generally not in the business of breaking news as it generally leads 
 to more aggravation than it's worth, but for the first time since we unveiled 
 the voice cast of The Incredibles, we are going to make an exception and do 
 so here in order to clear up some of the mystery. Cloverfield is a J.J. 
 Abrams production, so it should not be surprising to hear that a couple of 
 key players from Abrams' television shows are on board.

 The writer is Drew Goddard. Goddard has been a producer on both Alias and 
 Lost and served as co-executive producer for the latter show's 2007 episodes. 
 Fans of Joss Whedon (and BOP knows there are a ton of you out there since we 
 sometimes double as a Firefly fan site) also know him as a writer for several 
 episodes of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel. Goddard was the principal 
 scribe on Dirty Girls, the episode from Buffy season seven. This episode 
 featured the return of Faith as well as the transition of Nathan Fillion from 
 the recently canceled Firefly to Buffy wherein he portrayed a nefarious, 
 misogynistic man of the cloth. Goddard's work on Angel primarily occurred 
 during that show's final season as well. He wrote the World War II submarine 
 epic, Why We Fight, and earned his place in permanent Whedon-lore for his 
 invention of The Immortal in The Girl in Question. Clearly, he is one of the 
 most inventive and imaginative young writers in the industry. His presence
 alone is
   indic
 ative of a quality work in the offing.

 Abrams has not left anything to chance, though. He has also hired one of his 
 most trusted co-workers from the early days of Felicity for this project. BOP 
 has confirmed that Matt Reeves is the director on this project. Reeves is the 
 writer/director of the 1996 David Schwimmer comedy, The Pallbearer, and he 
 served as executive producer during the run of Felicity (pre- and post-Keri 
 Russell haircut). Reeves and Abrams created that project together with Reeves 
 even writing and directing the pilot, so their working relationship goes back 
 a decade now. When Goddard came up with the premise for Cloverfield, Reeves 
 was the easy choice to helm the project.

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Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for Cloverfield

2007-12-27 Thread Mike Street
try researching Slusho and you'll find out a lot more of what
Cloverfield is all about. There is a lot going on with the movie and
there are several fake MySpace pages which info on the movie it all
ties into an elaborate online game millions are playing right in
online and offline

On Dec 27, 2007 9:47 PM, Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 found some pix of the monster
 http://www.massiveblack.com/stabby/stabbysidefinal.jpg
 http://www.massiveblack.com/stabby/paint16.jpg

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer for 
  Cloverfield, the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abrams (Lost, Alias, 
  MI-3, Star Trek). The monster(s) isn't(aren't) shown, but talk about a 
  suspenseful buildup! Seeing the freakin' Statue of Liberty's head come 
  sailing through the air *all the way from the water* to crash into the 
  street? Awesome. There's also a scene showing the military firing like 
  crazy at something we never see. It reminds me of the great scene in 
  Spieldberg's War of the Worlds when the military attacks the Martians on 
  that hillside and the whole area literally lights up with weapons fire.
 
  The Apple site has two trailers. The one labeled trailer is longer and 
  shows more stuff. it's the one you'll see at many other sites. The one 
  labeled teaser gives a slightly different angle. Check 'em out. If you 
  can't see the Apple trailers, try the second link below, which is to a 
  MovieWeb page with lots of videos, including a two second glimpse of the 
  monster (can't see a darn thing, though). Hard to find a lot of stuff on 
  this film, as there's no real officiall movie site, but i included some 
  info from a blogger below the trailers.
 
  If nothing else, Abrams knows how to tell an exciting, fast-paced story, 
  and he actually believes in good plotting and acting as well. he also is a 
  fan of old-fashioned monster flicks like Godzilla. So this looks to be a 
  fun ride. The fact that the script has been kept secret, along with any 
  view of the creature, is only heightening the anticipation. I'm looking 
  forward to this movie!
 
  Trailers: http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/cloverfield/
   http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/53/5153/videos/
 
  ***
 
  http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=10118
 
 
  What is Cloverfield?
 
  This is the question that has been debated across North America in the 
  hours since Transformers debuted the teaser to this upcoming 2008 release. 
  Shrouded in mystery since its inception, the plot of Cloverfield is one of 
  the most carefully guarded secrets in Hollywood right now.
 
  BOP is generally not in the business of breaking news as it generally leads 
  to more aggravation than it's worth, but for the first time since we 
  unveiled the voice cast of The Incredibles, we are going to make an 
  exception and do so here in order to clear up some of the mystery. 
  Cloverfield is a J.J. Abrams production, so it should not be surprising to 
  hear that a couple of key players from Abrams' television shows are on 
  board.
 
  The writer is Drew Goddard. Goddard has been a producer on both Alias and 
  Lost and served as co-executive producer for the latter show's 2007 
  episodes. Fans of Joss Whedon (and BOP knows there are a ton of you out 
  there since we sometimes double as a Firefly fan site) also know him as a 
  writer for several episodes of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel. Goddard 
  was the principal scribe on Dirty Girls, the episode from Buffy season 
  seven. This episode featured the return of Faith as well as the transition 
  of Nathan Fillion from the recently canceled Firefly to Buffy wherein he 
  portrayed a nefarious, misogynistic man of the cloth. Goddard's work on 
  Angel primarily occurred during that show's final season as well. He wrote 
  the World War II submarine epic, Why We Fight, and earned his place in 
  permanent Whedon-lore for his invention of The Immortal in The Girl in 
  Question. Clearly, he is one of the most inventive and imaginative young 
  writers in the industry. His presence alone is
indic
  ative of a quality work in the offing.
 
  Abrams has not left anything to chance, though. He has also hired one of 
  his most trusted co-workers from the early days of Felicity for this 
  project. BOP has confirmed that Matt Reeves is the director on this 
  project. Reeves is the writer/director of the 1996 David Schwimmer comedy, 
  The Pallbearer, and he served as executive producer during the run of 
  Felicity (pre- and post-Keri Russell haircut). Reeves and Abrams created 
  that project together with Reeves even writing and directing the pilot, so 
  their working relationship goes back a decade now. When Goddard came up 
  with the premise for Cloverfield, Reeves was the easy choice to helm the 
  project.
 
  [Non-text portions of this 

Re: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(

2007-12-27 Thread Martin
Thanks, though, early on, I did have my doubts. Nothing that anyone here did, 
fear not. I'm just a mass of insecurities wrapped in a veneer of insanity.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:  
 Well ya fit in here fine!
 
 Martin wrote:
  Forgot to add on the literal duck out of water premise, which I sympathize 
  with daily. I've always felt out of place, even among the Technonerdati.
 
  Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:   
 Wow! Thank you for making yourself vulnerable and opening up. Now the 
  question you had to anticipate... why?
 
  Martin wrote:

  Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest, darkest 
  movie secrets.
 
  I love Howard the Duck.
 
  Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Keith
 
  I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the 
  comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :(
 
  Martin wrote:
 
  
  But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my 
  milieu!
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really hope none of you fine people contributed 
  any ducats to making National Treasure 2 the number one movie over the 
  Christmas weekend. I tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, 
  on a Sunday night, as background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off 
  with 45 minutes to go. Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot 
  acting by Cage and Voight (just show me the money!!). Not fun or clever 
  or engaging at all. Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, 
  don't have a thing against low brow humour (saw Knocked Up recently and 
  loved it) or mindless action flicks. Im the guy who will watch The 
  Warriors every single time it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And 
  Face Off? Pure cinematic pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and 
  things that go boom!. Love that flick.
  But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in 
  plot. Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book 
  passed down from one President to another that details, among other 
  things, the truth of what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!
 
  Please tell me none of you watched it?
 
  
 
  National Treasure sleighs Christmas box office 
  Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET 
  Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel National Treasure: Book of Secrets raced 
  to $65 million during its first five days of release across North America, 
  distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
  The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film opened 
  last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be issued 
  on Wednesday.
  Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17 
  international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to 
  the 2004 smash National Treasure stars Cage as a treasure hunter who 
  flies around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to 
  Lincoln's assassination.
  Will Smith's sci-fi thriller I Am Legend was No. 2 with five-day sales 
  of $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner 
  Bros. Pictures.
  Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth 
  Century Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise 
  hit Alvin and the Chipmunks, saying it was impossible to estimate 
  Christmas Day sales. After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million.
  The fact-based political comedy Charlie Wilson's War earned $14.75 
  million, and the Johnny Depp musical Sweeney Todd $12.75 million, both 
  after five days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and 
  DreamWorks Pictures, warned that the Christmas Day components were rough 
  guesses.
  The box office jury is still out on Charlie Wilson, a high-profile 
  vehicle starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as 
  many theaters as Sweeney Todd, which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner 
  Bros.
  Further down the rankings, P.S. I Love You had earned $9.1 million in 
  its first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it 
  hoped more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker 
  now that Christmas-related chores are behind them.
  The musical spoof Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story reported a four-day 
  haul of $4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a 
  Christmas Day estimate for the box office disappointment.
  Midfield rankings will change when final data are issued Wednesday because 
  they will include sales for three Christmas Day releases: the action 
  sequel Alien vs. Predator: Requiem, the Denzel Washington drama The 
  Great Debaters, and the family fantasy The Water Horse: Legend of the 
  Deep.
  Walt Disney Pictures is a unit of Walt Disney Co. Warner Bros. is a unit 
  of Time Warner Inc. 

Re: World War Z Re: [scifinoir2] Saw 28 Weeks on DVD- Plot Holes, Plot Holes ....

2007-12-27 Thread Martin
Thank you, Tracey. And I am *double sold* on this, now.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
Found it,
J. Michael Straczynski is currently writing the script
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0816711/
Ten years after the human victory over the world wide Zombie epidemic, 
referred to as World War Z, Max Brooks scours the world collecting the 
stories and experiences of those who have survived the conflict that 
almost eradicated humanity.

You can read a script review at:
http://www.iesb.net/index.php?option=com_contenttask=viewid=3947Itemid=99

Martin wrote:
 I'm suprised that no one's optioned World War Z yet. Or am I behind the 
 curve?

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)  wrote:  Now they are doing 
 Russia. I hate it. With a little effort with the 
 plot, it could have been a good plot. It seems as if screen writers are 
 getting increasingly sloppy with plot holes these days

 Martin wrote:
   

   


 
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Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for Cloverfield

2007-12-27 Thread KeithBJohnson
yeah, though i still wonder, why is Abrams so fascinated with young people. all 
the main stars in Cloverfield seem to be in their early to mid-20s. Even the 
little blurb I read describes it as  Five young New Yorkers. Hopefully, like 
with Lost, there'll be some old fogies my age who get meaty roles!

-- Original message -- 
From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

 maybe he is returning to his roots as a master storyteller 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
  Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer for 
 Cloverfield, the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abrams (Lost, Alias, 
 MI-3, 
 Star Trek). The monster(s) isn't(aren't) shown, but talk about a suspenseful 
 buildup! Seeing the freakin' Statue of Liberty's head come sailing through 
 the 
 air *all the way from the water* to crash into the street? Awesome. There's 
 also 
 a scene showing the military firing like crazy at something we never see. It 
 reminds me of the great scene in Spieldberg's War of the Worlds when the 
 military attacks the Martians on that hillside and the whole area literally 
 lights up with weapons fire. 
  
  The Apple site has two trailers. The one labeled trailer is longer and 
  shows 
 more stuff. it's the one you'll see at many other sites. The one labeled 
 teaser gives a slightly different angle. Check 'em out. If you can't see 
 the 
 Apple trailers, try the second link below, which is to a MovieWeb page with 
 lots 
 of videos, including a two second glimpse of the monster (can't see a darn 
 thing, though). Hard to find a lot of stuff on this film, as there's no real 
 officiall movie site, but i included some info from a blogger below the 
 trailers. 
  
  If nothing else, Abrams knows how to tell an exciting, fast-paced story, 
  and 
 he actually believes in good plotting and acting as well. he also is a fan of 
 old-fashioned monster flicks like Godzilla. So this looks to be a fun ride. 
 The fact that the script has been kept secret, along with any view of the 
 creature, is only heightening the anticipation. I'm looking forward to this 
 movie! 
  
  Trailers: http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/cloverfield/ 
  http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/53/5153/videos/ 
  
  *** 
  
  http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=10118 
  
  
  What is Cloverfield? 
  
  This is the question that has been debated across North America in the 
  hours 
 since Transformers debuted the teaser to this upcoming 2008 release. Shrouded 
 in 
 mystery since its inception, the plot of Cloverfield is one of the most 
 carefully guarded secrets in Hollywood right now. 
  
  BOP is generally not in the business of breaking news as it generally leads 
  to 
 more aggravation than it's worth, but for the first time since we unveiled 
 the 
 voice cast of The Incredibles, we are going to make an exception and do so 
 here 
 in order to clear up some of the mystery. Cloverfield is a J.J. Abrams 
 production, so it should not be surprising to hear that a couple of key 
 players 
 from Abrams' television shows are on board. 
  
  The writer is Drew Goddard. Goddard has been a producer on both Alias and 
  Lost 
 and served as co-executive producer for the latter show's 2007 episodes. Fans 
 of 
 Joss Whedon (and BOP knows there are a ton of you out there since we 
 sometimes 
 double as a Firefly fan site) also know him as a writer for several episodes 
 of 
 Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel. Goddard was the principal scribe on Dirty 
 Girls, the episode from Buffy season seven. This episode featured the return 
 of 
 Faith as well as the transition of Nathan Fillion from the recently canceled 
 Firefly to Buffy wherein he portrayed a nefarious, misogynistic man of the 
 cloth. Goddard's work on Angel primarily occurred during that show's final 
 season as well. He wrote the World War II submarine epic, Why We Fight, and 
 earned his place in permanent Whedon-lore for his invention of The Immortal 
 in 
 The Girl in Question. Clearly, he is one of the most inventive and 
 imaginative 
 young writers in the industry. His presence alone is 
  indic 
  ative of a quality work in the offing. 
  
  Abrams has not left anything to chance, though. He has also hired one of 
  his 
 most trusted co-workers from the early days of Felicity for this project. BOP 
 has confirmed that Matt Reeves is the director on this project. Reeves is the 
 writer/director of the 1996 David Schwimmer comedy, The Pallbearer, and he 
 served as executive producer during the run of Felicity (pre- and post-Keri 
 Russell haircut). Reeves and Abrams created that project together with Reeves 
 even writing and directing the pilot, so their working relationship goes back 
 a 
 decade now. When Goddard came up with the premise for Cloverfield, Reeves was 
 the easy choice to helm the project. 
  
  [Non-text portions of this message have been 

Re: [scifinoir2] Esquire's Get Upclose on ThunderCat: The Movie

2007-12-27 Thread Martin
Indeed, Mike. And, to lighten the pall resulting from this, might I suggest the 
alternative casting of Snoop Dogg as Lion-O? 

Martin (Thundercats- HO)

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Re: [scifinoir2] Can't Wait for Cloverfield

2007-12-27 Thread Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor)
  ain't gonna happen.  It seems to me, he is keeping to the studio 
demographic formula applied in Star Trek.  Maybe some of the supporting 
characters will be a little older.   Let's face it.  Most of us over 28 
are not going to the theatre every week, where the initial bulk of a 
studios money is made.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 yeah, though i still wonder, why is Abrams so fascinated with young people. 
 all the main stars in Cloverfield seem to be in their early to mid-20s. Even 
 the little blurb I read describes it as  Five young New Yorkers. Hopefully, 
 like with Lost, there'll be some old fogies my age who get meaty roles!

 -- Original message -- 
 From: Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

   
 maybe he is returning to his roots as a master storyteller 

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
 Wanna see an exciting trailer? Then you must check the trailer for 
   
 Cloverfield, the top-secret monster movie from JJ Abrams (Lost, Alias, 
 MI-3, 
 Star Trek). The monster(s) isn't(aren't) shown, but talk about a suspenseful 
 buildup! Seeing the freakin' Statue of Liberty's head come sailing through 
 the 
 air *all the way from the water* to crash into the street? Awesome. There's 
 also 
 a scene showing the military firing like crazy at something we never see. It 
 reminds me of the great scene in Spieldberg's War of the Worlds when the 
 military attacks the Martians on that hillside and the whole area literally 
 lights up with weapons fire. 
 
 The Apple site has two trailers. The one labeled trailer is longer and 
 shows 
   
 more stuff. it's the one you'll see at many other sites. The one labeled 
 teaser gives a slightly different angle. Check 'em out. If you can't see 
 the 
 Apple trailers, try the second link below, which is to a MovieWeb page with 
 lots 
 of videos, including a two second glimpse of the monster (can't see a darn 
 thing, though). Hard to find a lot of stuff on this film, as there's no real 
 officiall movie site, but i included some info from a blogger below the 
 trailers. 
 
 If nothing else, Abrams knows how to tell an exciting, fast-paced story, 
 and 
   
 he actually believes in good plotting and acting as well. he also is a fan 
 of 
 old-fashioned monster flicks like Godzilla. So this looks to be a fun 
 ride. 
 The fact that the script has been kept secret, along with any view of the 
 creature, is only heightening the anticipation. I'm looking forward to this 
 movie! 
 
 Trailers: http://www.apple.com/trailers/paramount/cloverfield/ 
 http://www.movieweb.com/movies/film/53/5153/videos/ 

 *** 

 http://www.boxofficeprophets.com/column/index.cfm?columnID=10118 


 What is Cloverfield? 

 This is the question that has been debated across North America in the 
 hours 
   
 since Transformers debuted the teaser to this upcoming 2008 release. 
 Shrouded in 
 mystery since its inception, the plot of Cloverfield is one of the most 
 carefully guarded secrets in Hollywood right now. 
 
 BOP is generally not in the business of breaking news as it generally leads 
 to 
   
 more aggravation than it's worth, but for the first time since we unveiled 
 the 
 voice cast of The Incredibles, we are going to make an exception and do so 
 here 
 in order to clear up some of the mystery. Cloverfield is a J.J. Abrams 
 production, so it should not be surprising to hear that a couple of key 
 players 
 from Abrams' television shows are on board. 
 
 The writer is Drew Goddard. Goddard has been a producer on both Alias and 
 Lost 
   
 and served as co-executive producer for the latter show's 2007 episodes. 
 Fans of 
 Joss Whedon (and BOP knows there are a ton of you out there since we 
 sometimes 
 double as a Firefly fan site) also know him as a writer for several episodes 
 of 
 Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel. Goddard was the principal scribe on 
 Dirty 
 Girls, the episode from Buffy season seven. This episode featured the return 
 of 
 Faith as well as the transition of Nathan Fillion from the recently canceled 
 Firefly to Buffy wherein he portrayed a nefarious, misogynistic man of the 
 cloth. Goddard's work on Angel primarily occurred during that show's final 
 season as well. He wrote the World War II submarine epic, Why We Fight, and 
 earned his place in permanent Whedon-lore for his invention of The Immortal 
 in 
 The Girl in Question. Clearly, he is one of the most inventive and 
 imaginative 
 young writers in the industry. His presence alone is 
 
 indic 
 ative of a quality work in the offing. 

 Abrams has not left anything to chance, though. He has also hired one of 
 his 
   
 most trusted co-workers from the early days of Felicity for this project. 
 BOP 
 has confirmed that Matt Reeves is the director on this project. Reeves is 
 the 
 writer/director of the 1996 David Schwimmer comedy, The Pallbearer, and he 
 served as 

RE: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(

2007-12-27 Thread Reece Jennings
Do you still, Howard?  I mean Martin?  It seems to me that you'd be the
one who is comfortable in any crowd.  Are you comfortable but feeling
different from others?  
 
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From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Martin
Sent: Thursday, December 27, 2007 1:00 PM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] National Treasure 2 Rules Box Office - :(



Forgot to add on the literal duck out of water premise, which I sympathize
with daily. I've always felt out of place, even among the Technonerdati.

Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com aladvantage.com wrote: Wow!
Thank you for making yourself vulnerable and opening up. Now the 
question you had to anticipate... why?

Martin wrote:
 Tracey, to put you at ease, I'm going to reveal one of my deepest, darkest
movie secrets.
 
 I love Howard the Duck.

 Tracey de Morsella (formerly Tracey L. Minor) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
mailto:tdlists%40multiculturaladvantage.com aladvantage.com wrote:
 Keith

 I know you are disappointed in me, but for mindless fluff sitting in the 
 comfort of my home, I liked the first one. :(

 Martin wrote:
 
 But...but...I *wanna* throw away my money! Mindless stupididty is my
milieu!

 KeithBJohnson@ mailto:KeithBJohnson%40comcast.net comcast.net wrote: I
really hope none of you fine people contributed any ducats to making
National Treasure 2 the number one movie over the Christmas weekend. I
tried to watch the first movie a couple of years ago, on a Sunday night, as
background noise while I cleaned up. I turned it off with 45 minutes to go.
Silly concepts, preposterous occurrences, autopilot acting by Cage and
Voight (just show me the money!!). Not fun or clever or engaging at all.
Despite what some think of me, i'm not a movie snob, don't have a thing
against low brow humour (saw Knocked Up recently and loved it) or mindless
action flicks. Im the guy who will watch The Warriors every single time
it airs (much to my wife's consternation!) And Face Off? Pure cinematic
pleasure of adrenalin, over-the-top acting, and things that go boom!. Love
that flick.
 But National Treasure sucked, and I hear the sequel is even dumber in
plot. Mount Rushmore built just to hide a city of gold. A secret book passed
down from one President to another that details, among other things, the
truth of what's kept in Area 51? Brotherrr!

 Please tell me none of you watched it?

 

 National Treasure sleighs Christmas box office 
 Tue Dec 25, 2:27 PM ET 
 Nicolas Cage's adventure sequel National Treasure: Book of Secrets
raced to $65 million during its first five days of release across North
America, distributor Walt Disney Pictures said on Tuesday.
 The tally consists of actual sales for the four days since the film
opened last Friday, and a Christmas day estimate. Final sales data will be
issued on Wednesday.
 Through December 24, the film had also earned $27.5 million in 17
international markets, mostly in Asia. The critically maligned sequel to the
2004 smash National Treasure stars Cage as a treasure hunter who flies
around the world trying to solve an ancient puzzle related to Lincoln's
assassination.
 Will Smith's sci-fi thriller I Am Legend was No. 2 with five-day sales
of $47.5 million, taking its 12-day haul to $150.8 million, said Warner
Bros. Pictures.
 Because of the holiday, data for many films were incomplete. Twentieth
Century Fox reported a four-day tally of $32.8 million for its surprise hit
Alvin and the Chipmunks, saying it was impossible to estimate Christmas
Day sales. After 11 days, the kids film has earned $88.7 million.
 The fact-based political comedy Charlie Wilson's War earned $14.75
million, and the Johnny Depp musical Sweeney Todd $12.75 million, both
after five days. Their respective studios, Universal Pictures and DreamWorks
Pictures, warned that the Christmas Day components were rough guesses.
 The box office jury is still out on Charlie Wilson, a high-profile
vehicle starring Tom Hanks and Julia Roberts, which is playing in twice as
many theaters as Sweeney Todd, which DreamWorks co-produced with Warner
Bros.
 Further down the rankings, P.S. I Love You had earned $9.1 million in
its first five days. After a low-key opening weekend, Warner Bros. said it
hoped more women would turn out in force for the Hilary Swank tearjerker now
that Christmas-related chores are behind them.
 The musical spoof Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story reported a four-day
haul of $4.7 million. Distributor Columbia Pictures did not have a Christmas
Day estimate for the box office disappointment.
 Midfield rankings will change when final 

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