[scifinoir2] How Steampunk Literature Has Changed In The Past Decade
Ann and Jeff VanderMeer are almost done reading the submissions for their second steampunk anthology, which will focus much more on stories from the past decade as opposed to classic tales. And they're noticing some big changes in the make-up of steampunk lit. Writes Jeff VanderMeer: The biggest change is that a subgenre in which very few women wrote now features a plethora of women-as Ann and I had suspected, and stated in various interviews at the time-and thus many more female contributors to this second volume. The greater variety of setting and situation, though, is pretty even across gender. This anthology is also situated at the cusp of much more robust participation in this subgenre internationally and multi-culturally... Indeed, Steampunk Version 2.0 seems to have reached its peak-without that infusion of new perspectives, it's likely to eat itself rather rapidly. [Ecstatic http://www.jeffvandermeer.com/2010/02/16/steampunk-reading-almost-done/?utm _source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+ecstaticdays+%28Ecst atic+Days%29utm_content=Google+Reader Days] Send an email to Charlie Jane Anders, the author of this post, at charliej...@io9.com mailto:charliej...@io9.com?subject=http://io9.com/5473434/how-steampunk-lit erature-has-changed-in-the-past-decade . http://ad.doubleclick.net/click;h=v8/3945/0/0/%2a/p;44306;0-0;0;23538270;34 54-728/90;0/0/0;;~okv=;ptile=3;sz=728x90;~aopt=2/1/ff/0;~sscs=%3f Click here to find out more! track E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14390 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ image001.gifimage002.gif
RE: [scifinoir2] Shutter Island
Great Review! -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 9:51 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Shutter Island http://blackplush.blogspot.com/2010/02/shutter-island-begins-with-woozy-sea. .html Shutter Island begins with a woozy, sea-sick U.S. Marshal Teddy Daniels (Leonardo DiCaprio) and neither he nor the audience will gain their equilibrium for the next two hours and twenty minutes. Martin Scorsese's adaptation of Dennis Lehane's novel of the same name, is a wonderfully actualized piece of filmmaking. Scorsese has concocted a savory stew out of Lehane's story of paranoid isolation and ever ratcheting psychological trauma. Stripped of their guns - and their power - at the ironclad gates of the Ashecliffe Hospital for the Criminally Insane, Daniels and his new partner, Chuck Aule (Mark Ruffalo) are set adrift on a remote and barren penal colony where everybody is a suspect and no one is a reliable narrator. Saturated with color, and full of elements as primal as a hurricane, Shutter Island plays like the kind of movie Alfred Hitchcock would have made - if Hitchcock had had Scorsese's prodigious talent. Shutter Island may be the best movie Scorsese has ever made. It is Casino good. Masterly directed and sure-footed, Shutter Island shows all the colors of Scorsese's palette without any of the showy pretentiousness that sometimes upstaged his earlier work. Everything he has learned about camera placement and movement is utilized here but all is in employed to illuminate and advance the story. Some of the framing is absolutely gorgeous. Shutter Island is Scorsese's valedictory turn. Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14390 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14390 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
RE: [scifinoir2] Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas
Our news will never report real news about Israel. This is a big story all over the world including in Israel, but our “free press” is forbidden to cover such stories. This has been the policy for years. In fact, NCIS is the only form of “media” in our country that comes close to reporting what really goes on in Israel. That is really sad From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas The national news didn't cover it for some reason. Only BBC and PBS Newshour. They were probably letting him slip into a sense of false security then did the hit. This incident is a movie in the making. Or at the minimum a NCIS episode. :) On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: First I'm hearing of it, Mr Worf, and I'm only surprised that it took the Mossad this long to get him. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ now. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14390 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14390 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
RE: [scifinoir2] Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas
It’s not a conspiracy. It is a policy in part. Some leaders in Israel acknowledge that Israel kind of runs the US. Media is not allowed to openly report of the news in Israel. Since they did away with rules that prevented a few owners of media, Most mainstream press is controlled by a few key connected players. You can find out the truth everywhere else about Israel including in Israeli publications – even conservative ones. Most mainstream media in the world report on news that the mainstream press ignores here. Those here that speak of these types of policy in the news, are usually blacklisted or made to retract their assertions. It does not just happen in the media. For decades, Israel has gotten hundreds of billions of dollars worth of loans, that include a policy that states that they never have to pay it back. For decades Israel has received weapons and other materials that even we do not get here. It is so much money that we could fix our education system with it several times over After 9-11 and the anthrax scares, we paid for facilities to be built there designed to protect every man woman and child there and over here, we got instructions to use masking tape It is said that George Bush was penalized for standing up to them and that the current PM had power struggles with Clinton over our internal policies where his power was threatened. Some say the congressmen and senators who vote against pro-Israel policies will find that powerful forces with a great deal of money will back someone else in your party in the next election. I rarely see politicians vote against the huge budget devoted to Israel each year. The few that I have seen, were voted out. Those who speak out against these policies are labeled anti-Semites They have some much power here, I wonder what anyone could do anyway. Somehow religion is mixed with politics and if you question policy, it is portrayed as attacking faith. Criticism of Zionism and the Jewish faith are treated as one and the same, despite the fact that they are not. I’m sure I sound like a conspiracy nut, but in the Israeli mainstream media, its leaders speak openly about the power that Israel has over the US. Some jokingly say we are a colony of Israel. Obama’s chief of staff’s father, in a national medial interview in Israel conducted after Obama took office, assured people who worried, that his son would keep Obama in line. Israel’s power over the US is one of the most well-known secrets in the world. People everywhere discuss it in the media, on the Internet, in bars and coffee shops, everywhere, but in the US. That is no changing anything soon From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 12:57 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas That makes me think that there is a conspiracy at work here. What bothers me more is that Israel seems to be taunting terrorists into doing stuff. Because you know there will be payback for this. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: That's kind of odd, the lack of mainstream coverage, especially from the right-leaning news outlets, where Israel is as holy as Jesus Christ. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:32:57 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas The national news didn't cover it for some reason. Only BBC and PBS Newshour. They were probably letting him slip into a sense of false security then did the hit. This incident is a movie in the making. Or at the minimum a NCIS episode. :) On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: First I'm hearing of it, Mr Worf, and I'm only surprised that it took the Mossad this long to get him. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ now. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ now. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14390 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor
RE: [scifinoir2] Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas
They do want to hold their feet to the fire, but it is a well known fact by most politicians that going up against Israel is considered political suicide. The only glimmer of hope is that there is a large minority of powerful Jews that do not agree with Israel's current policies toward Palestinians.I do not think they have enough power. And the news black out here, makes it easier to ignore some of the horrific policies and acts that take place, so that they can feel that the cause is just From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:14 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas Frankly, I'm still trying to get a handle on this administration's policy toward Israel is. Sometimes, it seems as though they want to hold their feet to the fire, and times when it wants to be Israel's caddies. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:56:39 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas That makes me think that there is a conspiracy at work here. What bothers me more is that Israel seems to be taunting terrorists into doing stuff. Because you know there will be payback for this. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: That's kind of odd, the lack of mainstream coverage, especially from the right-leaning news outlets, where Israel is as holy as Jesus Christ. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: hellomahog...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 12:32:57 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas The national news didn't cover it for some reason. Only BBC and PBS Newshour. They were probably letting him slip into a sense of false security then did the hit. This incident is a movie in the making. Or at the minimum a NCIS episode. :) On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: First I'm hearing of it, Mr Worf, and I'm only surprised that it took the Mossad this long to get him. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ now. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ now. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14390 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14390 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas
Guess you guys do think I’m paranoid.No response at all. Wow….. I’m just under deadline and don’t have time to research references. However, read http://www.haaretz.com/ for a month. It’s a mainstream national media site in Israel. It covers the news of the US as it applies to Israel. Watch all the serious front page news about US that appears there and see how much that does not appear in our mainstream press.It will shock and likely horrify you. It is fair and balanced coverage overall. They do not editorialize like they do here. Many Americans read it. Read the statements made by its leaders with regards to the US. Sometimes they are shocking in their audacity regarding their influence over our policies. What I said is only a secret here in the US.Not in Europe, Asia or anywhere else. Because they get less filtered news than we receive--- At least when it comes to US Foreign policy. By the way, the name of the Jewish Lobbying group that is starting to oppose our current policy is called J Street. Conspiracy Theorist going back to work now……. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:50 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas You forgot The Mossad never forgets Another quote I heard was God forgives. The Mossad does not. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: B, there are ten things in this life I'm certain of. One is Do not f*ck with the Mossad. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: daikaij...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:47:31 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas I heard about it earlier this week. It's an incredible story. They all used false European passports to enter Dubai and disappeared after the hit. It's some Sword of Gideon type stuff. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@... wrote: The national news didn't cover it for some reason. Only BBC and PBS Newshour. They were probably letting him slip into a sense of false security then did the hit. This incident is a movie in the making. Or at the minimum a NCIS episode. :) On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:19 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@...wrote: First I'm hearing of it, Mr Worf, and I'm only surprised that it took the Mossad this long to get him. -- Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now.http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ now. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14390 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14390 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas
Haaretz is well respected globally and J Street has some serious players behind it. No one would label either conspiracy nuts.At least you gave me the courtesy of a response. I get it you think this is the mad raving of an anti-Semite, so instead of the analytical back and forth we usually have, I get the silence. I have issues with neo-con and Zionist policy and doctrine do scare me, be The Jewish faith and Zionism or the Neo-cons are not one and the same.20% of Jews in the US have a problems with these policies. Are they conspiracy nuts? The facts about the budget and the statements are out there available. Interprepation to the degree of power over our policies is subject to interpretation. I admit, reading the officials discussing their power over us in a mainstream publication could be them just puffing out their chests.But the fact that the loans never have to be paid, and that nonpayment is written in the terms is public record. So we do know. I was shocked when I found out. We are going under and yet the money still flows. The media reports on the banks getting the money but not this. What is conjecture, is why we give them so much money and arms year after years without requiring payment. The people I usually have a back and forth exchange with would normally have rebuttal or questions, but on this silence. Unbelievable. I’m really surprised and a little hurt. I have considered you guys family I guess it’s easier to believe I’m a conspiracy nut. I get that.Even if I am wrong about the degree of power that Israel has over the US, leaders in Israel, Europeans, and Asians believe it. And the budgets do not lie. You believe about the power of the lobbyists, but with regard to Israel’s Lobby, openly considered one of the most powerful, it’s about we will never know and all talk ceases It’s only a secret here in the US I guess with views like we will never know the truth, we really never will.Got check the budget. It gets in every year. I hope J Street, a mainstream Jewish Lobby group whom I support, gains some traction so that Americans will start reading the bills and reading press outside the US, and come to better understanding. It’s a long shot, but they are a good group. In the meantime, I feel a little unwelcome , so off I go. I won’t raise this again. I sense it is taboo Thanks Worf for at least not giving me the silent treatment From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 4:43 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas I take everything with a grain of salt. We will never know the entire truth to any of this stuff. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Guess you guys do think I’m paranoid.No response at all. Wow….. I’m just under deadline and don’t have time to research references. However, read http://www.haaretz.com/ for a month. It’s a mainstream national media site in Israel. It covers the news of the US as it applies to Israel. Watch all the serious front page news about US that appears there and see how much that does not appear in our mainstream press.It will shock and likely horrify you. It is fair and balanced coverage overall. They do not editorialize like they do here. Many Americans read it. Read the statements made by its leaders with regards to the US. Sometimes they are shocking in their audacity regarding their influence over our policies. What I said is only a secret here in the US.Not in Europe, Asia or anywhere else. Because they get less filtered news than we receive--- At least when it comes to US Foreign policy. By the way, the name of the Jewish Lobbying group that is starting to oppose our current policy is called J Street. Conspiracy Theorist going back to work now……. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Thursday, February 18, 2010 3:50 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas You forgot The Mossad never forgets Another quote I heard was God forgives. The Mossad does not. On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 3:25 PM, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@hotmail.com wrote: B, there are ten things in this life I'm certain of. One is Do not f*ck with the Mossad. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: daikaij...@yahoo.com Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2010 20:47:31 + Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Mossad assassinates leader of the Hamas I heard about it earlier this week. It's an incredible story
[scifinoir2] 'White Collar' promotes Marsha Thomason to Series Regular
Marsha Thomason's lesbian agent on White Collar will be getting a much heavier workload in season 2. Sources confirm to me exclusively that the former Las Vegas and Lost star has been upgraded to a full-fledged series regular on the USA Network smash. Thomason's character, junior FBI agent Diana Lancing, turned up in the White Collar pilot, but hasn't been seen or heard from since. I'm told she'll reappear in the season 1 finale on March 9 and then return full-time in season 2. Thomason recently completed an arc on General Hospital as the manager-girlfriend of James Franco's psycho killer-slash-painter. http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/02/11/white-collar-marsha-thomason-series-r egular/#more-6084 E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors?
I want you on my team!!! :-) -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:53 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? we have a pretty good cross section of folks that post. I think we might be lacking a few skillsets but with books and hard work we could make a go. I'm pretty well versed in agriculture and could handle the basics of growing food, animal based agriculture and have even milked a cow or three. I've slaughtered and procesed my own meat so that wouldn't scare me. I know which end of the hammer to swing and could be semi-handy if pressed into service. I also know my way around a lab setting pretty darn well so manufacturing biodiesel and the like would be up my alley as well. Unfortunately I've gotten lazy and haven't used my more physical skillsets for a while. I guess i'd have to come out of retirement. Any pilots on the list? How about some mechanically inclined people? Medical professionals? Anyone know how to set up an off the grid solar or wind power system? --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: I hate reality tv, but maybe this would be good. How do you think we would do as a survivor group? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:23 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? I liked The Colony but they were too competent. Their group had engineers, a couple of scientists, a mechanic, a doctor, a nurse and two handymen. The only deadweight they had was a personal trainer/martial arts instructor who happened to be a hard worker. It's still pretty fun to watch. When they had to interact with other survivors made for good tv. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: You make a good defense. And as I said, despite ALLL :-) my pet peeves, I have not given up on it. Even quietly, the characters are poorly motivated. Some of my favorite shows had mediocre starts, so I will get off my they're running around with their heads cut off' meme. :-). Also I recognize that I have a different profile than the average person. I'm a natural planner, I believe we are in the midst of peak oil, I'm a professional treehugger, and I hang around a lot of scientist and techies. . So, while I know, I would be loosing my mind (likely curled up into a ball moaning incoherently), it would not be in my nature to drive aimlessly away from my base without a plan. I will look for the colony. Is it any good? I think we would kick as a group, but would supper from serious tech gadget withdrawal. Before the Internet, I hoarded books and lived in the library. Thus my inclination to raid books and libraries as I mentioned before -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:45 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? I haven't seen the original either. I've seen the first three episodes and the crew starts to wise up pretty quickly. I think Martin hit the nail on the head that seeing 99% of humanity die would throw most folks into a deep depression. The doctor seems shell shocked but I imagine she's been on the frontlines since the beginning and by the time we meet them she's probably seen enough death to break even the toughest person. Survivors is firmly in the British Quiet Apocolypse genre. They play very different than the American stories in the same genre. Americans would have handled this so differently it would have been a completely different show. It would have looked like Jericho crossed with Zombieland with even more guns. In a post-Katrina world I think an American version of this show would look drastically different. BTW did anyone see the Discovery Channel's The Colony? They were a bit too skilled and competent but it was a fun show. This reminds me of a game/scenario posted on another forum about when the stuff hits the fan. It would be interesting to see how SciFiNoir would gameplan a post-disaster event using their skills, materials and talents. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: I VAGUELY remember sitting down in front of the TV to watch it on PBS, but that's about it. Wonder if Hulu might have it... nope. :-( If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdlists@ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:00:40 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2
[scifinoir2] 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break
'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Series creator outlines his feelings on the evolution of NBC show on the bubble http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129 When you think of NBC's http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129 http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif Heroes, you can't help but think of a younger, less emotionally certain Peter Petrelli http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129 http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif standing on the roof of a building with Mohinder's enigmatic narration on the nature of life's mysteries. Those were the good days. Now, the series has evolved to a point where it is barely recognizable from its debut season (both in terms of characters and pace), and the ratings have plummeted. Where did the series go wrong, if it indeed went wrong in the first place? Fans have their opinions and series creator Tim Kring has his own. However, to Kring, the series never fully recovered after its first break following the initial 11 episodes. Fallout, the 11th episode of the series, originally premiered on Dec. 4, 2006, after which the series went on a festive vacation before returning to the screens on Jan. 22, 2007. We took about four days off between Season 1 and 2 -- we never stopped writing, Kring told The AV Club. Same directors, same actors, same everything. So when someone says they don't like Season 2, it's like, 'Well, that was yesterday.' We don't have a sense that the seasons are divided by ideas or timeframes; it's just this big long continuum. Kring said the first season can be divided into two places. Then Heroes took a seven-wrrk break, and the audience simply never came back. The first 16 episodes was the part everybody talks about, he said. After that 16th episode, Heroes delved deeply into the mythology of the mysterious Company, and eventually built toward an explosion-filled season finale ... and that became a problem for the show. The other thing is, you can only be shiny and new one time, Kring said. Also in that first season, we probably should have done two volumes or three volumes, smaller stories. I think people would have gotten used to the fact that we tell a story in volumes that have a beginning, a middle, and an end. Because we didn't, and we ended with sort of a finale, it felt like, 'Well, I guess that's over.' So how do you go back to saving the world again? In reality, that was an issue for me. I was very interested in the origin story of where these characters came from - that first blush of discovery. It's the most fun to write, and ultimately it's the most interesting for the audience. But Kring previously apologized for the direction that Heroes took in its second season, right? Wrong. According to Kring, his comments were taken out of context and although he may wish to do some things differently he claims he did not apologize for any creative decision the series has made. No, I was standing on the picket line when Jeff Jensen [from Entertainment Weekly called me, he said. And he said, 'Would you have done anything different?' Nobody had ever asked me that before. So I answered really honestly, 'There isn't a day that goes by where I wouldn't do 10,000 things differently.' People think you're making some precise widget, some scientific little thing, but instead it's filled with human error and guesswork. So I mentioned a few things, but they published it as I 'apologized to my audience.' I got sandbagged. Kring was also keen to discuss the change of pace in the fourth season of the series, specifically the elongation of character arcs. There have been instances this year where a pivotal piece in a character's back story is revealed only to be discarded for weeks until there is a time to revisit it. This change hasn't been an accident, but instead an act of necessity due to the high number of characters that make up the series. That's a product of a few things, Kring said. First of all, there are only so many storylines you can actually do. The first season, there were six or seven - little bit of this, little bit of that. The haiku type of storytelling was effective when characters had very separate storylines. My idea was for them to stay apart for as long as possible. The network wanted them to be together on the second episode, and we really fought that. Once characters start crossing, you can do fewer stories. The trick to making a show more cost-efficient is by telling fewer stories per episode, he said. When you have a certain number of characters, you're facing a mathematical reality that not every character can be in every episode. So some have to sit out. There is still no word on whether or not Heroes will receive a pickup for another season -- or in any other format for that matter -- which means that if Season 4 is the last page-defying adventure, the show has ended without a proper conclusion. Krings's full interview can be found at The AV Club by clicking
RE: [scifinoir2] 'White Collar' promotes Marsha Thomason to Series Regular
I was surprised that they took her off after the pilot after making such a big deal about her sexual interests. Perhaps she had scheduling conflicts From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:24 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 'White Collar' promotes Marsha Thomason to Series Regular TV loves lipstick lesbians. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:09 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Marsha Thomason’s lesbian agent on White Collar will be getting a much heavier workload in season 2. Sources confirm to me exclusively that the former Las Vegas and Lost star has been upgraded to a full-fledged series regular on the USA Network smash. Thomason’s character, junior FBI agent Diana Lancing, turned up in the White Collar pilot, but hasn’t been seen or heard from since.. I’m told she’ll reappear in the season 1 finale on March 9 and then return full-time in season 2. Thomason recently completed an arc on General Hospital as the manager-girlfriend of James Franco’s psycho killer-slash-painter. http://ausiellofiles.ew..com/2010/02/11/white-collar-marsha-thomason-series-regular/#more-6084 http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/02/11/white-collar-marsha-thomason-series-regular/#more-6084 E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors?
Well you took Buckingham Palace first thing and you love books, so you know you are on team Scifi! From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:21 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? I can also shoot a gun, and fish too. :) On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I want you on my team!!! :-) -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:53 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? we have a pretty good cross section of folks that post. I think we might be lacking a few skillsets but with books and hard work we could make a go. I'm pretty well versed in agriculture and could handle the basics of growing food, animal based agriculture and have even milked a cow or three. I've slaughtered and procesed my own meat so that wouldn't scare me. I know which end of the hammer to swing and could be semi-handy if pressed into service. I also know my way around a lab setting pretty darn well so manufacturing biodiesel and the like would be up my alley as well. Unfortunately I've gotten lazy and haven't used my more physical skillsets for a while. I guess i'd have to come out of retirement. Any pilots on the list? How about some mechanically inclined people? Medical professionals? Anyone know how to set up an off the grid solar or wind power system? --- In scifino...@yahoogroups..com mailto:scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: I hate reality tv, but maybe this would be good. How do you think we would do as a survivor group? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:23 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? I liked The Colony but they were too competent. Their group had engineers, a couple of scientists, a mechanic, a doctor, a nurse and two handymen. The only deadweight they had was a personal trainer/martial arts instructor who happened to be a hard worker. It's still pretty fun to watch. When they had to interact with other survivors made for good tv. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: You make a good defense. And as I said, despite ALLL :-) my pet peeves, I have not given up on it. Even quietly, the characters are poorly motivated. Some of my favorite shows had mediocre starts, so I will get off my they're running around with their heads cut off' meme. :-). Also I recognize that I have a different profile than the average person. I'm a natural planner, I believe we are in the midst of peak oil, I'm a professional treehugger, and I hang around a lot of scientist and techies. . So, while I know, I would be loosing my mind (likely curled up into a ball moaning incoherently), it would not be in my nature to drive aimlessly away from my base without a plan. I will look for the colony. Is it any good? I think we would kick as a group, but would supper from serious tech gadget withdrawal. Before the Internet, I hoarded books and lived in the library. Thus my inclination to raid books and libraries as I mentioned before -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:45 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? I haven't seen the original either. I've seen the first three episodes and the crew starts to wise up pretty quickly. I think Martin hit the nail on the head that seeing 99% of humanity die would throw most folks into a deep depression. The doctor seems shell shocked but I imagine she's been on the frontlines since the beginning and by the time we meet them she's probably seen enough death to break even the toughest person. Survivors is firmly in the British Quiet Apocolypse genre. They play very different than the American stories in the same genre. Americans would have handled this so differently it would have been a completely different show. It would have looked like Jericho crossed with Zombieland with even more guns. In a post-Katrina world I think an American version of this show would look drastically different. BTW did anyone see the Discovery Channel's The Colony? They were a bit too skilled and competent but it was a fun show. This reminds me of a game/scenario posted on another forum about when the stuff hits the fan. It would be interesting to see how SciFiNoir would gameplan a post-disaster event using their skills, materials and talents. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter
RE: [scifinoir2] 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break
CANCEL – They destroyed the magic long ago. I do believe that the change in tone started in the middle of the first season, but I did like the whole first season. Thereafter with all the new characters introduced who were never developed by disappeared and all the story twists, I hung around out of loyalty from the first season for a while, hoping that the past glory would return, this season, I couldn’t muster up the energy to turn the channel or to watch it on Hulu. It jumped the shark long ago…. A fate worse than the series finale of Battlestar Gallactica. Who would have thought it possible. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:46 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break At this point I think that the series has too many issues. They have turned Sylar into a repented hero with a dark past. Claire has outed herself to the world and now they run the risk of falling into that strange void of no where to go from here. They left a few holes in the plot that they never really explained. Its just a mess. Do they deserve a renewal? I dunno. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: 'Heroes' Never Recovered From Its First Break Series creator outlines his feelings on the evolution of NBC show on the bubble http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129 When you think of NBC's http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129 http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif Heroes, you can't help but think of a younger, less emotionally certain Peter http://www.airlockalpha.com/node/7129 Petrellihttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif standing on the roof of a building with Mohinder's enigmatic narration on the nature of life's mysteries. Those were the good days. Now, the series has evolved to a point where it is barely recognizable from its debut season (both in terms of characters and pace), and the ratings have plummeted. Where did the series go wrong, if it indeed went wrong in the first place? Fans have their opinions and series creator Tim Kring has his own. However, to Kring, the series never fully recovered after its first break following the initial 11 episodes. Fallout, the 11th episode of the series, originally premiered on Dec. 4, 2006, after which the series went on a festive vacation before returning to the screens on Jan. 22, 2007. We took about four days off between Season 1 and 2 -- we never stopped writing, Kring told The AV Club. Same directors, same actors, same everything. So when someone says they don’t like Season 2, it’s like, 'Well, that was yesterday.' We don’t have a sense that the seasons are divided by ideas or timeframes; it’s just this big long continuum. Kring said the first season can be divided into two places. Then Heroes took a seven-wrrk break, and the audience simply never came back. The first 16 episodes was the part everybody talks about, he said. After that 16th episode, Heroes delved deeply into the mythology of the mysterious Company, and eventually built toward an explosion-filled season finale ... and that became a problem for the show. The other thing is, you can only be shiny and new one time, Kring said. Also in that first season, we probably should have done two volumes or three volumes, smaller stories. I think people would have gotten used to the fact that we tell a story in volumes that have a beginning, a middle, and an end. Because we didn’t, and we ended with sort of a finale, it felt like, 'Well, I guess that’s over.' So how do you go back to saving the world again? In reality, that was an issue for me. I was very interested in the origin story of where these characters came from — that first blush of discovery. It’s the most fun to write, and ultimately it’s the most interesting for the audience. But Kring previously apologized for the direction that Heroes took in its second season, right? Wrong. According to Kring, his comments were taken out of context and although he may wish to do some things differently he claims he did not apologize for any creative decision the series has made. No, I was standing on the picket line when Jeff Jensen [from Entertainment Weekly called me, he said. And he said, 'Would you have done anything different?' Nobody had ever asked me that before. So I answered really honestly, 'There isn’t a day that goes by where I wouldn’t do 10,000 things differently.' People think you’re making some precise widget, some scientific little thing, but instead it’s filled with human error and guesswork. So I mentioned a few things, but they published it as I 'apologized to my audience.' I got sandbagged. Kring was also keen to discuss the change of pace in the fourth season of the series, specifically the elongation of character arcs
RE: [scifinoir2] 'White Collar' promotes Marsha Thomason to Series Regular
I read about a lot the casting changes in the news. For instance, three of the main characters were replaced in Moonlight and one of the twice I believe. While I’ve heard good things about the actress that replaced Thomason, she kind of fades into the woodwork. I thought Thomason did a decent job with the part. I’m glad they picked the actress they did for Tara. She’s intense and unexpected. They need more of that in Hollyweird From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:50 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 'White Collar' promotes Marsha Thomason to Series Regular The pilots are always weird. What usually happens is that they don't really have the budget down after the pilot. I have seen some weird cast changes happen too. For example, the show Trueblood changed a couple of regular characters after the series got picked up. (Tara was played by a light skinned actress.) They even dyed the main characters hair. The script didn't change. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:41 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I was surprised that they took her off after the pilot after making such a big deal about her sexual interests. Perhaps she had scheduling conflicts From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:24 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 'White Collar' promotes Marsha Thomason to Series Regular TV loves lipstick lesbians. On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:09 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Marsha Thomason’s lesbian agent on White Collar will be getting a much heavier workload in season 2. Sources confirm to me exclusively that the former Las Vegas and Lost star has been upgraded to a full-fledged series regular on the USA Network smash. Thomason’s character, junior FBI agent Diana Lancing, turned up in the White Collar pilot, but hasn’t been seen or heard from since.. I’m told she’ll reappear in the season 1 finale on March 9 and then return full-time in season 2. Thomason recently completed an arc on General Hospital as the manager-girlfriend of James Franco’s psycho killer-slash-painter. http://ausiellofiles.ew...com/2010/02/11/white-collar-marsha-thomason-series-regular/#more-6084 http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/02/11/white-collar-marsha-thomason-series-regular/#more-6084 E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
That statement reminds me of John Woo movies. At one time, his name was box office gold. After a string of hits using the same formula, and many people creating carbon copies, his name became synonymous with B-movies. What's he doing these days, has he had a comeback with a new formula? I never hear of him anymore -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:55 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk once upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin Smith's Cop Out is going to suffer the same fate. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
I know he works but I never see his stuff in the Block buster track anymore. In fact, I think a lot of his stuff is direct to DVD. Kind of like Wesley Snipes up until recently From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 12:13 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office Tracey, according to IMDb, he's got a *dozen* movies in development (details available only if you have the Pro version). http://www.imdb.com/name/nm247/ If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2010 11:00:57 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office That statement reminds me of John Woo movies. At one time, his name was box office gold. After a string of hits using the same formula, and many people creating carbon copies, his name became synonymous with B-movies. What's he doing these days, has he had a comeback with a new formula? I never hear of him anymore -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:55 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk once upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin Smith's Cop Out is going to suffer the same fate. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Kelwyn ravena...@... wrote: I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ now. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors?
That's why seeds was on my list after books -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:43 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? We'd have to make sure we'd have enough self pollinating non-genetically modified varieties of plants to make 2nd generation agriculture effective. All these wonderful GMO crops don't breed true and yields plummet by design. If you didn't have heirloom seed lines it could be a huge problem in the future. I'll stop now. LOL --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: Well you took Buckingham Palace first thing and you love books, so you know you are on team Scifi! From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 1:21 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? I can also shoot a gun, and fish too. :) On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 1:13 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: I want you on my team!!! :-) -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:53 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? we have a pretty good cross section of folks that post. I think we might be lacking a few skillsets but with books and hard work we could make a go. I'm pretty well versed in agriculture and could handle the basics of growing food, animal based agriculture and have even milked a cow or three. I've slaughtered and procesed my own meat so that wouldn't scare me. I know which end of the hammer to swing and could be semi-handy if pressed into service. I also know my way around a lab setting pretty darn well so manufacturing biodiesel and the like would be up my alley as well. Unfortunately I've gotten lazy and haven't used my more physical skillsets for a while. I guess i'd have to come out of retirement. Any pilots on the list? How about some mechanically inclined people? Medical professionals? Anyone know how to set up an off the grid solar or wind power system? --- In scifino...@... mailto:scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com , Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: I hate reality tv, but maybe this would be good. How do you think we would do as a survivor group? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:23 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? I liked The Colony but they were too competent. Their group had engineers, a couple of scientists, a mechanic, a doctor, a nurse and two handymen. The only deadweight they had was a personal trainer/martial arts instructor who happened to be a hard worker. It's still pretty fun to watch. When they had to interact with other survivors made for good tv. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdlists@ wrote: You make a good defense. And as I said, despite ALLL :-) my pet peeves, I have not given up on it. Even quietly, the characters are poorly motivated. Some of my favorite shows had mediocre starts, so I will get off my they're running around with their heads cut off' meme. :-). Also I recognize that I have a different profile than the average person. I'm a natural planner, I believe we are in the midst of peak oil, I'm a professional treehugger, and I hang around a lot of scientist and techies. . So, while I know, I would be loosing my mind (likely curled up into a ball moaning incoherently), it would not be in my nature to drive aimlessly away from my base without a plan. I will look for the colony. Is it any good? I think we would kick as a group, but would supper from serious tech gadget withdrawal. Before the Internet, I hoarded books and lived in the library. Thus my inclination to raid books and libraries as I mentioned before -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:45 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? I haven't seen the original either. I've seen the first three episodes and the crew starts to wise up pretty quickly. I think Martin hit the nail on the head that seeing 99% of humanity die would throw most folks into a deep depression. The doctor seems shell shocked but I imagine she's been on the frontlines since the beginning and by the time we meet them she's probably seen enough death to break even the toughest person. Survivors is firmly in the British Quiet Apocolypse genre. They play very
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office
That's good to know about Woo. I never saw it , but I heard good things about Windtalkers. I think I saw a Moseley work in a scifi anthology recently -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office Although he was great at it (Face Off), John Woo was not a fan of the formulaic movies he was making. After MI-2, he thought he had the cachet to make the kind of movie he wanted. He made Windtalkers (2002) a well-intentioned movie starring Nicholas Cage that took in $77 million worldwide ($40 million in America) on a budget of $115 million. Windtalkers is his Heaven's Gate. This is why I don't write that urban lit shit even though I know I can get it published - I don't want to HAVE to write it. It is hard to get out of any ghetto. Walter Mosley wants to write SF but he wrote the Easy Rawlins' novels to get published. Now he is pigeon-holed as a detective fiction writer. It ain't terrible; but it ain't good, either. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: That statement reminds me of John Woo movies. At one time, his name was box office gold. After a string of hits using the same formula, and many people creating carbon copies, his name became synonymous with B-movies. What's he doing these days, has he had a comeback with a new formula? I never hear of him anymore -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 9:55 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Hollywood Extinction: Old Dinosaurs die at Box Office The old formula picture doesn't seem to work at the box office unless they throw some new spin on it. From Paris With Love was probably a slam dunk once upon a time but the buddy cop genre seems stale now. I think Kevin Smith's Cop Out is going to suffer the same fate. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: I expected more from Harrison's film because, apparently, he is still a box office draw. I attend a lot of sneak previews (I am going to see Shutter Island, tonight. These are typically oversold. The biggest crowd I have seen this year was for the Ford picture. My date and I arrived an hour early and could not get into the theater. For comparison, the second biggest crowd I have seen for one of these was for Sherlock Holmes (which I also did not get into) and Holmes proved to be a box office success. The Book of Eli was well attended but the theater was not full and Eli has done respectable business. I guess that is the problem with Hollywood: you never know. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ wrote: I think the timing was wrong for all three films. In the case of Ford's film they should have waited for the interviews about the movie to happen before the movie was released. Better still timed it with another medical movie. It doesn't help if the movie is mediocre as well. On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:54 PM, Kelwyn ravenadal@ wrote: Harrison Ford's Extraordinary Measures grosses $12 million (budget:$31 million) John Travolta's From Paris with Love grosses $17.9 million (budget:$52 million) Mel Gibson's Edge of Darkness grosses $37 million (budget: $80 million) Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
RE: [scifinoir2] Shocking photo of Roger Ebert
Thanks for the heads up From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:55 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Shocking photo of Roger Ebert Wow... On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:46 PM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: In a candid Esquire magazine interview, film critic and Hollywood icon Roger Ebert says there's no need to pity him, eight years after a thyroid cancer diagnosis, followed by surgeries that robbed him of speech and warped his face into a permanent smile. http://blogs.tampabay.com/.a/6a00d83451b05569e20120a8ad2114970b-pi http://blogs.tampabay.com/movies/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYahoo! Groups Links -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
RE: [scifinoir2] Shocking photo of Roger Ebert
I saw it last night, made me sad, but I love how we keep hearing him loud and clear -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2010 2:47 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Shocking photo of Roger Ebert In a candid Esquire magazine interview, film critic and Hollywood icon Roger Ebert says there's no need to pity him, eight years after a thyroid cancer diagnosis, followed by surgeries that robbed him of speech and warped his face into a permanent smile. http://blogs.tampabay.com/.a/6a00d83451b05569e20120a8ad2114970b-pi http://blogs.tampabay.com/movies/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14380 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors?
I was the book grabber and the seed grabber he was the tool grabber. I’m with you on the solar, wind and batteries. Also water filtration materials From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:44 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Solar panels, windmills and batteries would be the first thing I grab after securing everything else. It would be nice to watch a movie once in a while. Your husband is correct about grabbing books on how to do things. You will definitely need all of that info. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Electric is going to go too. It they got a diesel they could make fuel from cooking waste and tons of cooking oil let in all the stores. (Treehugger in the house). I like your idea of going to Buckingham palace. I was telling my husband that I would stay in London an look for one of the old mansions that they used to build in the center of town that usually get turned into museums. Buckingham palace will do just fine. What is driving me crazy is that people who see no people are so willing to leave each other when they may not see anyone for ages. I will watch it, but character motivation in this thing sucks. My husband said he would go around to hoard tools as over times they would become scarce. I said I would raid libraries and books stores so I could get a community of people learning critical skills for survival. Medicine, construction, engineering, etc. I also would go after seeds for planting veggies and fruits. What would be the first thing you would go after once you secured the palace J From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:41 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Yea that was a bit stupid. I didn't understand why water and power cut off only after 3 days. That made no sense to me at all. Another was no one thought of walking over to the toyota dealer and taking a new prius running on electric power instead of worrying about gas. I can understand that after everyone dying off it would make sense that people would be a little dazed for a while until reality starts to set in. Only the black guy took the time to grab supplies and a good vehicle that can drive off road. If I were them I would go to Buckingham palace. It has tons of animals and veggies. Plus lots of safety zones and large weapons cache. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Its passable, but I’m underwhelmed. Plus, I get the idea that they said 10% of the population would survive. That a great deal more than the sparseness of people that we are seeing. Additionally, people are not really responding in a way consistent how I think some would respond to Armageddon.. Other than the Black guy and finally the woman, people are aimless with no indication of coming up with a course of action. While not everyone is a planner, some doctors, engineers, and managers after a few days would become aware of the ramifications of their situation and start trying to figure out a plan of survival. These people just drive around for days and days. Makes no sense that driving aimlessly would be everyone’s way of handling it.. I hate shows that do not even bother with having a technical expert to consult with From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:00 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Did anyone watch this show? What are your thoughts? -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14360 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14360 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http
RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors?
One more thing… among many. About the doctor helping the murderer. Doctor’s can usually determine when someone has an irritant like mace in their eyes. Wouldn’t she at least feel caution toward someone who has been maced? Maybe I’m nick picking. Did you like it, if so what did you like about it From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:41 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Yea that was a bit stupid. I didn't understand why water and power cut off only after 3 days. That made no sense to me at all. Another was no one thought of walking over to the toyota dealer and taking a new prius running on electric power instead of worrying about gas. I can understand that after everyone dying off it would make sense that people would be a little dazed for a while until reality starts to set in. Only the black guy took the time to grab supplies and a good vehicle that can drive off road. If I were them I would go to Buckingham palace. It has tons of animals and veggies. Plus lots of safety zones and large weapons cache. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Its passable, but I’m underwhelmed. Plus, I get the idea that they said 10% of the population would survive. That a great deal more than the sparseness of people that we are seeing. Additionally, people are not really responding in a way consistent how I think some would respond to Armageddon.. Other than the Black guy and finally the woman, people are aimless with no indication of coming up with a course of action. While not everyone is a planner, some doctors, engineers, and managers after a few days would become aware of the ramifications of their situation and start trying to figure out a plan of survival. These people just drive around for days and days. Makes no sense that driving aimlessly would be everyone’s way of handling it.. I hate shows that do not even bother with having a technical expert to consult with From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:00 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Did anyone watch this show? What are your thoughts? -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14360 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14360 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors?
The government’s approach disturbed me as well. They would have been isolating their families. Particularly the prime minister From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:04 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Another thing about the show that bugged me was who would allow their families and the rest of the country to die in order to keep a secret for the government or company? On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: Solar panels, windmills and batteries would be the first thing I grab after securing everything else. It would be nice to watch a movie once in a while. Your husband is correct about grabbing books on how to do things. You will definitely need all of that info. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Electric is going to go too. It they got a diesel they could make fuel from cooking waste and tons of cooking oil let in all the stores. (Treehugger in the house). I like your idea of going to Buckingham palace. I was telling my husband that I would stay in London an look for one of the old mansions that they used to build in the center of town that usually get turned into museums. Buckingham palace will do just fine. What is driving me crazy is that people who see no people are so willing to leave each other when they may not see anyone for ages. I will watch it, but character motivation in this thing sucks. My husband said he would go around to hoard tools as over times they would become scarce. I said I would raid libraries and books stores so I could get a community of people learning critical skills for survival. Medicine, construction, engineering, etc. I also would go after seeds for planting veggies and fruits. What would be the first thing you would go after once you secured the palace J From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:41 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Yea that was a bit stupid. I didn't understand why water and power cut off only after 3 days. That made no sense to me at all. Another was no one thought of walking over to the toyota dealer and taking a new prius running on electric power instead of worrying about gas. I can understand that after everyone dying off it would make sense that people would be a little dazed for a while until reality starts to set in. Only the black guy took the time to grab supplies and a good vehicle that can drive off road. If I were them I would go to Buckingham palace. It has tons of animals and veggies. Plus lots of safety zones and large weapons cache. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Its passable, but I’m underwhelmed. Plus, I get the idea that they said 10% of the population would survive. That a great deal more than the sparseness of people that we are seeing. Additionally, people are not really responding in a way consistent how I think some would respond to Armageddon.. Other than the Black guy and finally the woman, people are aimless with no indication of coming up with a course of action. While not everyone is a planner, some doctors, engineers, and managers after a few days would become aware of the ramifications of their situation and start trying to figure out a plan of survival. These people just drive around for days and days. Makes no sense that driving aimlessly would be everyone’s way of handling it.. I hate shows that do not even bother with having a technical expert to consult with From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:00 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Did anyone watch this show? What are your thoughts? -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14360 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14360 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor
RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors?
Fair enough. I think everyone running around with their head off except one character for days and days made me more critical of her. How long does the shell shock make every single character but one clueless? This seemed to be over the course of a week or even more. It was at least five days From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:33 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Tracey, with regard to the doctor not noticing that the murderer had been maced, I can read that as shell-shock on her part. After that massive freakout she had at her clinic before leaving, I can see her missing such a minor detail, especially while checking him for internal injuries. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:21:49 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? One more thing. among many. About the doctor helping the murderer. Doctor's can usually determine when someone has an irritant like mace in their eyes. Wouldn't she at least feel caution toward someone who has been maced? Maybe I'm nick picking. Did you like it, if so what did you like about it From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:41 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Yea that was a bit stupid. I didn't understand why water and power cut off only after 3 days. That made no sense to me at all. Another was no one thought of walking over to the toyota dealer and taking a new prius running on electric power instead of worrying about gas. I can understand that after everyone dying off it would make sense that people would be a little dazed for a while until reality starts to set in. Only the black guy took the time to grab supplies and a good vehicle that can drive off road. If I were them I would go to Buckingham palace. It has tons of animals and veggies. Plus lots of safety zones and large weapons cache. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Its passable, but I'm underwhelmed. Plus, I get the idea that they said 10% of the population would survive. That a great deal more than the sparseness of people that we are seeing. Additionally, people are not really responding in a way consistent how I think some would respond to Armageddon.. Other than the Black guy and finally the woman, people are aimless with no indication of coming up with a course of action. While not everyone is a planner, some doctors, engineers, and managers after a few days would become aware of the ramifications of their situation and start trying to figure out a plan of survival. These people just drive around for days and days. Makes no sense that driving aimlessly would be everyone's way of handling it.. I hate shows that do not even bother with having a technical expert to consult with From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:00 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Did anyone watch this show? What are your thoughts? -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14360 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14360 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools..com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ now. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors?
I have my money where you have your money. I thought they portrayed the government's response more accurately on Jeremiah. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:31 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? If the conspiracy theorists over at Above Top Secret are anywhere in the ballpark, then that was an accurate depiction of how a government would handle such a crisis. If such were to come about in reality, my money says that there's a list of necessary assets out there, and those people would be secreted away, leaving everyone else to fare for themselves. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik http://www.youtube..com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:24:12 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? The government's approach disturbed me as well. They would have been isolating their families. Particularly the prime minister From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:04 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Another thing about the show that bugged me was who would allow their families and the rest of the country to die in order to keep a secret for the government or company? On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:44 AM, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: Solar panels, windmills and batteries would be the first thing I grab after securing everything else. It would be nice to watch a movie once in a while. Your husband is correct about grabbing books on how to do things. You will definitely need all of that info. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:11 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Electric is going to go too. It they got a diesel they could make fuel from cooking waste and tons of cooking oil let in all the stores. (Treehugger in the house). I like your idea of going to Buckingham palace. I was telling my husband that I would stay in London an look for one of the old mansions that they used to build in the center of town that usually get turned into museums. Buckingham palace will do just fine. What is driving me crazy is that people who see no people are so willing to leave each other when they may not see anyone for ages. I will watch it, but character motivation in this thing sucks. My husband said he would go around to hoard tools as over times they would become scarce. I said I would raid libraries and books stores so I could get a community of people learning critical skills for survival. Medicine, construction, engineering, etc. I also would go after seeds for planting veggies and fruits. What would be the first thing you would go after once you secured the palace J From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:41 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Yea that was a bit stupid. I didn't understand why water and power cut off only after 3 days. That made no sense to me at all. Another was no one thought of walking over to the toyota dealer and taking a new prius running on electric power instead of worrying about gas. I can understand that after everyone dying off it would make sense that people would be a little dazed for a while until reality starts to set in. Only the black guy took the time to grab supplies and a good vehicle that can drive off road. If I were them I would go to Buckingham palace. It has tons of animals and veggies. Plus lots of safety zones and large weapons cache. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Its passable, but I'm underwhelmed. Plus, I get the idea that they said 10% of the population would survive. That a great deal more than the sparseness of people that we are seeing. Additionally, people are not really responding in a way consistent how I think some would respond to Armageddon.. Other than the Black guy and finally the woman, people are aimless with no indication of coming up with a course of action. While not everyone is a planner, some doctors, engineers, and managers after a few days would become aware of the ramifications of their situation and start trying to figure out a plan of survival. These people just drive around for days and days. Makes no sense that driving aimlessly would be everyone's way of handling it.. I hate shows that do not even bother with having a technical expert to consult with From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:00 PM
RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors?
I still am of the mind to secure a large building with land that has it constructed to make it easier to protect. I'm more inclined for a midsized city as opposed to a large city or a town near enough to a city where you could access supplies From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:41 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Fair enough. I think everyone running around with their head off except one character for days and days made me more critical of her. How long does the shell shock make every single character but one clueless? This seemed to be over the course of a week or even more. It was at least five days From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:33 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Tracey, with regard to the doctor not noticing that the murderer had been maced, I can read that as shell-shock on her part. After that massive freakout she had at her clinic before leaving, I can see her missing such a minor detail, especially while checking him for internal injuries. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:21:49 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? One more thing. among many. About the doctor helping the murderer. Doctor's can usually determine when someone has an irritant like mace in their eyes. Wouldn't she at least feel caution toward someone who has been maced? Maybe I'm nick picking. Did you like it, if so what did you like about it From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:41 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Yea that was a bit stupid. I didn't understand why water and power cut off only after 3 days. That made no sense to me at all. Another was no one thought of walking over to the toyota dealer and taking a new prius running on electric power instead of worrying about gas. I can understand that after everyone dying off it would make sense that people would be a little dazed for a while until reality starts to set in. Only the black guy took the time to grab supplies and a good vehicle that can drive off road. If I were them I would go to Buckingham palace. It has tons of animals and veggies. Plus lots of safety zones and large weapons cache. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Its passable, but I'm underwhelmed. Plus, I get the idea that they said 10% of the population would survive. That a great deal more than the sparseness of people that we are seeing. Additionally, people are not really responding in a way consistent how I think some would respond to Armageddon.. Other than the Black guy and finally the woman, people are aimless with no indication of coming up with a course of action. While not everyone is a planner, some doctors, engineers, and managers after a few days would become aware of the ramifications of their situation and start trying to figure out a plan of survival. These people just drive around for days and days. Makes no sense that driving aimlessly would be everyone's way of handling it.. I hate shows that do not even bother with having a technical expert to consult with From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:00 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Did anyone watch this show? What are your thoughts? -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14360 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14360 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools..com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus
RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors?
OK here is the other thing, with all the end of the world, survivor shows, etc on TV the movies that have been on forever, somebody in the group of characters would know that driving aimlessly is nuts. Where are they driving to. I know the Black guy is motivated to drive far away by his unknown back story - he is probably connected to those scientists. But what about everyone else? Was the original series from the sixties or the seventies set up that way? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:42 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Me too, Tracey., And I know that there are experts in this field, as Armageddon Week aired on History Channel not long ago. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:03:14 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Its passable, but I'm underwhelmed. Plus, I get the idea that they said 10% of the population would survive. That a great deal more than the sparseness of people that we are seeing. Additionally, people are not really responding in a way consistent how I think some would respond to Armageddon.. Other than the Black guy and finally the woman, people are aimless with no indication of coming up with a course of action. While not everyone is a planner, some doctors, engineers, and managers after a few days would become aware of the ramifications of their situation and start trying to figure out a plan of survival. These people just drive around for days and days. Makes no sense that driving aimlessly would be everyone's way of handling it. I hate shows that do not even bother with having a technical expert to consult with From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:00 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Did anyone watch this show? What are your thoughts? -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14360 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14360 http://www.pctools..com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ now. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
RE: [scifinoir2] From Paris With Love
I love almost anything with Travolta in it From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Augustus Augustus Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:05 PM To: Sci Fi Cc: Black SciFi Subject: [scifinoir2] From Paris With Love Just left the matinee and I was wondering has anyone else seen this movie? Travolta is to be, great in this. After seeing Book of Eli with Number One, and Percy Jackson with my son...have to say, just a movie with a paper thin plot and Travolta getting 2 act silly and shot and blow up things. To me, a MUST SEE! Fate. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors?
I never saw it myself, but they have mentioned it in articles. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:58 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Tracey, I really don't remember the original. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:53:51 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? OK here is the other thing, with all the end of the world, survivor shows, etc on TV the movies that have been on forever, somebody in the group of characters would know that driving aimlessly is nuts. Where are they driving to. I know the Black guy is motivated to drive far away by his unknown back story - he is probably connected to those scientists. But what about everyone else? Was the original series from the sixties or the seventies set up that way? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:42 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Me too, Tracey., And I know that there are experts in this field, as Armageddon Week aired on History Channel not long ago. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube..com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:03:14 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Its passable, but I'm underwhelmed. Plus, I get the idea that they said 10% of the population would survive. That a great deal more than the sparseness of people that we are seeing. Additionally, people are not really responding in a way consistent how I think some would respond to Armageddon.. Other than the Black guy and finally the woman, people are aimless with no indication of coming up with a course of action. While not everyone is a planner, some doctors, engineers, and managers after a few days would become aware of the ramifications of their situation and start trying to figure out a plan of survival. These people just drive around for days and days. Makes no sense that driving aimlessly would be everyone's way of handling it. I hate shows that do not even bother with having a technical expert to consult with From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:00 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Did anyone watch this show? What are your thoughts? -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14360 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14360 http://www.pctools..com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ up now. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools..com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ now. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors?
True. There would have to be mass burning or that could be an argument for traveling to an isolated spot--- but not before gathering supplies. Another pet peeve.Where are the bodies? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:54 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Tracey, the only problem there is in having to remove the dead bodies, to prevent cholera and other diseases from spawning. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:46:18 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? I still am of the mind to secure a large building with land that has it constructed to make it easier to protect. I'm more inclined for a midsized city as opposed to a large city or a town near enough to a city where you could access supplies From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:41 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Fair enough. I think everyone running around with their head off except one character for days and days made me more critical of her. How long does the shell shock make every single character but one clueless? This seemed to be over the course of a week or even more. It was at least five days From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:33 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Tracey, with regard to the doctor not noticing that the murderer had been maced, I can read that as shell-shock on her part. After that massive freakout she had at her clinic before leaving, I can see her missing such a minor detail, especially while checking him for internal injuries. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube..com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 11:21:49 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? One more thing. among many. About the doctor helping the murderer. Doctor's can usually determine when someone has an irritant like mace in their eyes. Wouldn't she at least feel caution toward someone who has been maced? Maybe I'm nick picking. Did you like it, if so what did you like about it From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:41 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Yea that was a bit stupid. I didn't understand why water and power cut off only after 3 days. That made no sense to me at all. Another was no one thought of walking over to the toyota dealer and taking a new prius running on electric power instead of worrying about gas. I can understand that after everyone dying off it would make sense that people would be a little dazed for a while until reality starts to set in. Only the black guy took the time to grab supplies and a good vehicle that can drive off road. If I were them I would go to Buckingham palace. It has tons of animals and veggies. Plus lots of safety zones and large weapons cache. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Its passable, but I'm underwhelmed. Plus, I get the idea that they said 10% of the population would survive. That a great deal more than the sparseness of people that we are seeing. Additionally, people are not really responding in a way consistent how I think some would respond to Armageddon.. Other than the Black guy and finally the woman, people are aimless with no indication of coming up with a course of action. While not everyone is a planner, some doctors, engineers, and managers after a few days would become aware of the ramifications of their situation and start trying to figure out a plan of survival. These people just drive around for days and days. Makes no sense that driving aimlessly would be everyone's way of handling it.. I hate shows that do not even bother with having a technical expert to consult with From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:00 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Did anyone watch this show? What are your thoughts? -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail
RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors?
Would you be driving aimlessly From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:13 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? If I were in their position, I could see myself being off my rocker for some time. I'm very much a tech person, and not having my computer and Internet would leave me rattled to the core. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ now. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors?
Worf mentioned something about most Disaster Pictures being dominated by characters driving from place to place. Maybe I am just noticing it more. I would lose it too.I do not think I would be driving in the unknown aimlessly. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:13 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? If I were in their position, I could see myself being off my rocker for some time. I'm very much a tech person, and not having my computer and Internet would leave me rattled to the core. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ now. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors?
LOL! You got that right -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:59 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? No because American roads would be vast parking lots filled with stalled cars and rotting corpses. ;) --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: Would you be driving aimlessly From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:13 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? If I were in their position, I could see myself being off my rocker for some time. I'm very much a tech person, and not having my computer and Internet would leave me rattled to the core. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ now. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors?
You make a good defense. And as I said, despite ALLL :-) my pet peeves, I have not given up on it. Even quietly, the characters are poorly motivated. Some of my favorite shows had mediocre starts, so I will get off my they're running around with their heads cut off' meme. :-). Also I recognize that I have a different profile than the average person. I'm a natural planner, I believe we are in the midst of peak oil, I'm a professional treehugger, and I hang around a lot of scientist and techies. . So, while I know, I would be loosing my mind (likely curled up into a ball moaning incoherently), it would not be in my nature to drive aimlessly away from my base without a plan. I will look for the colony. Is it any good? I think we would kick as a group, but would supper from serious tech gadget withdrawal. Before the Internet, I hoarded books and lived in the library. Thus my inclination to raid books and libraries as I mentioned before -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:45 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? I haven't seen the original either. I've seen the first three episodes and the crew starts to wise up pretty quickly. I think Martin hit the nail on the head that seeing 99% of humanity die would throw most folks into a deep depression. The doctor seems shell shocked but I imagine she's been on the frontlines since the beginning and by the time we meet them she's probably seen enough death to break even the toughest person. Survivors is firmly in the British Quiet Apocolypse genre. They play very different than the American stories in the same genre. Americans would have handled this so differently it would have been a completely different show. It would have looked like Jericho crossed with Zombieland with even more guns. In a post-Katrina world I think an American version of this show would look drastically different. BTW did anyone see the Discovery Channel's The Colony? They were a bit too skilled and competent but it was a fun show. This reminds me of a game/scenario posted on another forum about when the stuff hits the fan. It would be interesting to see how SciFiNoir would gameplan a post-disaster event using their skills, materials and talents. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: I VAGUELY remember sitting down in front of the TV to watch it on PBS, but that's about it. Wonder if Hulu might have it... nope. :-( If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@... Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:00:40 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? I never saw it myself, but they have mentioned it in articles. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:58 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Tracey, I really don't remember the original. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@... Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:53:51 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? OK here is the other thing, with all the end of the world, survivor shows, etc on TV the movies that have been on forever, somebody in the group of characters would know that driving aimlessly is nuts. Where are they driving to. I know the Black guy is motivated to drive far away by his unknown back story - he is probably connected to those scientists. But what about everyone else? Was the original series from the sixties or the seventies set up that way? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:42 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Me too, Tracey., And I know that there are experts in this field, as Armageddon Week aired on History Channel not long ago. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube...com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@... Date: Mon, 15 Feb 2010 22:03:14 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Its passable, but I'm underwhelmed. Plus, I get the idea that
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors?
I hate reality tv, but maybe this would be good. How do you think we would do as a survivor group? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 2:23 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? I liked The Colony but they were too competent. Their group had engineers, a couple of scientists, a mechanic, a doctor, a nurse and two handymen. The only deadweight they had was a personal trainer/martial arts instructor who happened to be a hard worker. It's still pretty fun to watch. When they had to interact with other survivors made for good tv. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: You make a good defense. And as I said, despite ALLL :-) my pet peeves, I have not given up on it. Even quietly, the characters are poorly motivated. Some of my favorite shows had mediocre starts, so I will get off my they're running around with their heads cut off' meme. :-). Also I recognize that I have a different profile than the average person. I'm a natural planner, I believe we are in the midst of peak oil, I'm a professional treehugger, and I hang around a lot of scientist and techies. . So, while I know, I would be loosing my mind (likely curled up into a ball moaning incoherently), it would not be in my nature to drive aimlessly away from my base without a plan. I will look for the colony. Is it any good? I think we would kick as a group, but would supper from serious tech gadget withdrawal. Before the Internet, I hoarded books and lived in the library. Thus my inclination to raid books and libraries as I mentioned before -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 1:45 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Survivors? I haven't seen the original either. I've seen the first three episodes and the crew starts to wise up pretty quickly. I think Martin hit the nail on the head that seeing 99% of humanity die would throw most folks into a deep depression. The doctor seems shell shocked but I imagine she's been on the frontlines since the beginning and by the time we meet them she's probably seen enough death to break even the toughest person. Survivors is firmly in the British Quiet Apocolypse genre. They play very different than the American stories in the same genre. Americans would have handled this so differently it would have been a completely different show. It would have looked like Jericho crossed with Zombieland with even more guns. In a post-Katrina world I think an American version of this show would look drastically different. BTW did anyone see the Discovery Channel's The Colony? They were a bit too skilled and competent but it was a fun show. This reminds me of a game/scenario posted on another forum about when the stuff hits the fan. It would be interesting to see how SciFiNoir would gameplan a post-disaster event using their skills, materials and talents. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ wrote: I VAGUELY remember sitting down in front of the TV to watch it on PBS, but that's about it. Wonder if Hulu might have it... nope. :-( If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdlists@ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 13:00:40 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? I never saw it myself, but they have mentioned it in articles. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 12:58 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Tracey, I really don't remember the original. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdlists@ Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 12:53:51 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Survivors? OK here is the other thing, with all the end of the world, survivor shows, etc on TV the movies that have been on forever, somebody in the group of characters would know that driving aimlessly is nuts. Where are they driving to. I know the Black guy is motivated to drive far away by his unknown back story - he is probably connected
RE: [scifinoir2] Batman Helmer Mentors Superman Franchise
This is awesome news. What do you guys think? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Kelwyn Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2010 5:13 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Batman Helmer Mentors Superman Franchise http://www.darkhorizons.com/news/16306/-batman-helmer-mentors-superman-franc hise He returned the once shunned Batman franchise to its rightful place at the top of the superhero film chain, now Deadline Hollywood Daily reports that Batman Begins and The Dark Knight director Christopher Nolan will try the same with the Superman franchise, albeit less involved. Post your SciFiNoir Profile at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/scifinoir2/app/peoplemap2/entry/add?fmvn=mapYa hoo! Groups Links E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
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Its passable, but I’m underwhelmed. Plus, I get the idea that they said 10% of the population would survive. That a great deal more than the sparseness of people that we are seeing. Additionally, people are not really responding in a way consistent how I think some would respond to Armageddon. Other than the Black guy and finally the woman, people are aimless with no indication of coming up with a course of action. While not everyone is a planner, some doctors, engineers, and managers after a few days would become aware of the ramifications of their situation and start trying to figure out a plan of survival. These people just drive around for days and days. Makes no sense that driving aimlessly would be everyone’s way of handling it. I hate shows that do not even bother with having a technical expert to consult with From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:00 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Did anyone watch this show? What are your thoughts? -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14360 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14360 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
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Electric is going to go too. It they got a diesel they could make fuel from cooking waste and tons of cooking oil let in all the stores. (Treehugger in the house). I like your idea of going to Buckingham palace. I was telling my husband that I would stay in London an look for one of the old mansions that they used to build in the center of town that usually get turned into museums. Buckingham palace will do just fine. What is driving me crazy is that people who see no people are so willing to leave each other when they may not see anyone for ages. I will watch it, but character motivation in this thing sucks. My husband said he would go around to hoard tools as over times they would become scarce. I said I would raid libraries and books stores so I could get a community of people learning critical skills for survival. Medicine, construction, engineering, etc. I also would go after seeds for planting veggies and fruits. What would be the first thing you would go after once you secured the palace J From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 10:41 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Yea that was a bit stupid. I didn't understand why water and power cut off only after 3 days. That made no sense to me at all. Another was no one thought of walking over to the toyota dealer and taking a new prius running on electric power instead of worrying about gas. I can understand that after everyone dying off it would make sense that people would be a little dazed for a while until reality starts to set in. Only the black guy took the time to grab supplies and a good vehicle that can drive off road. If I were them I would go to Buckingham palace. It has tons of animals and veggies. Plus lots of safety zones and large weapons cache. On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Its passable, but I’m underwhelmed. Plus, I get the idea that they said 10% of the population would survive. That a great deal more than the sparseness of people that we are seeing. Additionally, people are not really responding in a way consistent how I think some would respond to Armageddon.. Other than the Black guy and finally the woman, people are aimless with no indication of coming up with a course of action. While not everyone is a planner, some doctors, engineers, and managers after a few days would become aware of the ramifications of their situation and start trying to figure out a plan of survival. These people just drive around for days and days. Makes no sense that driving aimlessly would be everyone’s way of handling it.. I hate shows that do not even bother with having a technical expert to consult with From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 9:00 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Survivors? Did anyone watch this show? What are your thoughts? -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14360 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14360 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14370 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way
I agree about the prison planet arc being a distraction from the main story. That could have been a separate story From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:48 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way I liked the second, but constantly get disappointed at how it missed its potential. The trailers for that film had Epic written all over them. Some of the concepts are amazing, sweeping: The Necromonger forces, those giant statues they landed on planets, the whole strange holy war thing. Great stuff, should have resulted in a film as impressive as LOTR. But too much time was wasted on standard scifi cliches, like the whole prison planet thing, and not enough time actually with the Necros. Just missed the mark, and I've always wanted a return to that world to see it done right. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:46:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Gosh...I guess I'm the only one that did NOT like the second movie... Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 2:48 PM No you misunderstood. My puritanical sensibilities were shocked about your “Maybe I'm distracted by the regions below the neck.’ I never noticed such things, I was drawn to the character’s cerebral prowess. ( I typed that with a straight face) However, I agree with you about both movies. I liked the universe that they created in Riddick From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Aubrey Leatherwood Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:24 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Just sayin' Tracey, no resemblance in that area :) I am really excited that the movie is greenlit, although I'm conflicted about the return to Pitch Black atmosphere. I love that movie and it's small quarters grit, but I love Chronicles for its bigness and hubris. Hmmm, whatever it turns out to be, I'm sure I will see it. Aubrey Leatherwood http://www..aubreyleatherwood.com/ www.aubreyleatherwo od.com http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1400087918 FaceBook * http://www.myspace.com/aubreymleatherwood MySpace Dime http://www.king-cart.com/Phaze/product=Dime/exact_match=exact Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? http://www.lyricalpress.com/imperfection.html Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. http://www.lyricalpress.com/the_people_you_know_the_sex_they_have..html The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905- 0-0 _ To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 03:17:45 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Oh my…… From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Aubrey Leatherwood Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:00 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way I get the similarity. The nose, the mouth, but I've never naturally made that connection. Aubrey Leatherwood www.aubreyleatherwo http://www.aubreyleatherwood.com/ od.com FaceBook http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1400087918 * MySpace http://www.myspace.com/aubreymleatherwood Dime http://www.king-cart.com/Phaze/product=Dime/exact_match=exact Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? http://www.lyricalpress.com/imperfection..html Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love and perfect sex. http://www.lyricalpress.com/the_people_you_know_the_sex_they_have...html The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905- 0-0 _ To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 01:56:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way This is a question that I've been dying to ask...Does Vin Diesel remind any of you of Jose Ferrer? Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com wrote: From: Tracey de
RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way
Perhaps the prison planet was a comprise to the suits to give them more of what was similar to the first movie, which made them a boatload of money. I desolate planet, where the other part of the story introduced new elements. Personally, I was riveted by the new elements and feat when they say they are going back to their roots, we will get more prison planet stuff in Riddick three From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:15 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Yeah, look at the tropes: outer space bounty hunters...a prison planet with violent temperature extremes, giving us all that outrun the deadly sunlight scenes...the dirty, sweaty, crooked prison guards on the take...crazy outre prison dogs (looking like a Klingon Targ) running around menacing the inmatesthe hero having to fight the cons-- every time I watch the movie (and I really like the movie) this scene takes me out of the movie. I've seen this done so much with everyone from Van damme to Lundgren, to Christopher Lambert. But the other storyline, ah, that is amazing! I mean, when I first saw the trailers in teh theatre, and heard great actress Dame Judy Dench speaking, i was intrigued! That shot of Dench floating in and out of physicality, was cool and magical. And the first approach of the Necros, what appeared to be a comet approaching, was chilling. The site of those giant statues, towering hundreds of feet above devastated landscapes, disgorging fighting ships, had me literally on the edge of my seat. Everytime I watch the movie--and I watch it every tme TNT or FX airs it--I get swept up in that grander story, only to get disappointed with the prison planet stuff, and the abbreviated time spent in the Necro courts. I believe the intrigues and dynastic stories they were trying to tell with the Lord Marshall and Thandie Newton and her husband could have been fleshed out, and more satisfying, with more time given to them. Instead they're a bit cartoonish and not satisfying. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifino...@yahoogroups..com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 4:54:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way I agree about the prison planet arc being a distraction from the main story. That could have been a separate story From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:48 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way I liked the second, but constantly get disappointed at how it missed its potential. The trailers for that film had Epic written all over them. Some of the concepts are amazing, sweeping: The Necromonger forces, those giant statues they landed on planets, the whole strange holy war thing. Great stuff, should have resulted in a film as impressive as LOTR. But too much time was wasted on standard scifi cliches, like the whole prison planet thing, and not enough time actually with the Necros. Just missed the mark, and I've always wanted a return to that world to see it done right. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:46:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Gosh...I guess I'm the only one that did NOT like the second movie... Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 2:48 PM No you misunderstood. My puritanical sensibilities were shocked about your “Maybe I'm distracted by the regions below the neck.’ I never noticed such things, I was drawn to the character’s cerebral prowess. ( I typed that with a straight face) However, I agree with you about both movies. I liked the universe that they created in Riddick From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Aubrey Leatherwood Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:24 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Just sayin' Tracey, no resemblance in that area :) I am really excited that the movie is greenlit, although I'm conflicted about the return to Pitch Black atmosphere. I love that movie and it's small quarters grit, but I love Chronicles for its bigness and hubris. Hmmm, whatever it turns out to be, I'm sure I will see it. Aubrey Leatherwood http
RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way
No don’t either. Was Thandie’s camp intentional? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 3:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Good point, but I agree with you. I don't want a return to the world of the first movie. I think we need to see what the heck he's going to do with the Necros, now that he's the leader? Oh--and give Thandie Newton the Best Overacting in a Melodramatic Role award for her performance! The way she was slinking and slithering around, conniving and planning and pushing her husband forward? Well, that was just plain funny. Talk about over-the-top! And everytime that scene comes up when she thinks her husband's killed the Lord Marshall, only to discover it's Riddick, and then lets out that anguished cry of Nooo! I 'bout bust a gut! Carol Burnett couldn't have overdone that scene any better! - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 5:41:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Perhaps the prison planet was a comprise to the suits to give them more of what was similar to the first movie, which made them a boatload of money. I desolate planet, where the other part of the story introduced new elements. Personally, I was riveted by the new elements and feat when they say they are going back to their roots, we will get more prison planet stuff in Riddick three From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:15 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Yeah, look at the tropes: outer space bounty hunters...a prison planet with violent temperature extremes, giving us all that outrun the deadly sunlight scenes...the dirty, sweaty, crooked prison guards on the take...crazy outre prison dogs (looking like a Klingon Targ) running around menacing the inmatesthe hero having to fight the cons-- every time I watch the movie (and I really like the movie) this scene takes me out of the movie. I've seen this done so much with everyone from Van damme to Lundgren, to Christopher Lambert. But the other storyline, ah, that is amazing! I mean, when I first saw the trailers in teh theatre, and heard great actress Dame Judy Dench speaking, i was intrigued! That shot of Dench floating in and out of physicality, was cool and magical. And the first approach of the Necros, what appeared to be a comet approaching, was chilling. The site of those giant statues, towering hundreds of feet above devastated landscapes, disgorging fighting ships, had me literally on the edge of my seat. Everytime I watch the movie--and I watch it every tme TNT or FX airs it--I get swept up in that grander story, only to get disappointed with the prison planet stuff, and the abbreviated time spent in the Necro courts. I believe the intrigues and dynastic stories they were trying to tell with the Lord Marshall and Thandie Newton and her husband could have been fleshed out, and more satisfying, with more time given to them. Instead they're a bit cartoonish and not satisfying. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifino...@yahoogroups..com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 4:54:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way I agree about the prison planet arc being a distraction from the main story. That could have been a separate story From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:48 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way I liked the second, but constantly get disappointed at how it missed its potential. The trailers for that film had Epic written all over them. Some of the concepts are amazing, sweeping: The Necromonger forces, those giant statues they landed on planets, the whole strange holy war thing. Great stuff, should have resulted in a film as impressive as LOTR. But too much time was wasted on standard scifi cliches, like the whole prison planet thing, and not enough time actually with the Necros. Just missed the mark, and I've always wanted a return to that world to see it done right. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:46:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Gosh...I guess I'm the only one that did NOT like the second movie... Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie
RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way
I think they are misleading the tea leaves. The second movie didn’t work in terms of box office , but I do not thing they understand why it did not work From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 3:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Good point, but I agree with you. I don't want a return to the world of the first movie. I think we need to see what the heck he's going to do with the Necros, now that he's the leader? Oh--and give Thandie Newton the Best Overacting in a Melodramatic Role award for her performance! The way she was slinking and slithering around, conniving and planning and pushing her husband forward? Well, that was just plain funny. Talk about over-the-top! And everytime that scene comes up when she thinks her husband's killed the Lord Marshall, only to discover it's Riddick, and then lets out that anguished cry of Nooo! I 'bout bust a gut! Carol Burnett couldn't have overdone that scene any better! - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 5:41:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Perhaps the prison planet was a comprise to the suits to give them more of what was similar to the first movie, which made them a boatload of money. I desolate planet, where the other part of the story introduced new elements. Personally, I was riveted by the new elements and feat when they say they are going back to their roots, we will get more prison planet stuff in Riddick three From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:15 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Yeah, look at the tropes: outer space bounty hunters...a prison planet with violent temperature extremes, giving us all that outrun the deadly sunlight scenes...the dirty, sweaty, crooked prison guards on the take...crazy outre prison dogs (looking like a Klingon Targ) running around menacing the inmatesthe hero having to fight the cons-- every time I watch the movie (and I really like the movie) this scene takes me out of the movie. I've seen this done so much with everyone from Van damme to Lundgren, to Christopher Lambert. But the other storyline, ah, that is amazing! I mean, when I first saw the trailers in teh theatre, and heard great actress Dame Judy Dench speaking, i was intrigued! That shot of Dench floating in and out of physicality, was cool and magical. And the first approach of the Necros, what appeared to be a comet approaching, was chilling. The site of those giant statues, towering hundreds of feet above devastated landscapes, disgorging fighting ships, had me literally on the edge of my seat. Everytime I watch the movie--and I watch it every tme TNT or FX airs it--I get swept up in that grander story, only to get disappointed with the prison planet stuff, and the abbreviated time spent in the Necro courts. I believe the intrigues and dynastic stories they were trying to tell with the Lord Marshall and Thandie Newton and her husband could have been fleshed out, and more satisfying, with more time given to them. Instead they're a bit cartoonish and not satisfying. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifino...@yahoogroups..com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 4:54:06 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way I agree about the prison planet arc being a distraction from the main story. That could have been a separate story From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 1:48 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way I liked the second, but constantly get disappointed at how it missed its potential. The trailers for that film had Epic written all over them. Some of the concepts are amazing, sweeping: The Necromonger forces, those giant statues they landed on planets, the whole strange holy war thing. Great stuff, should have resulted in a film as impressive as LOTR. But too much time was wasted on standard scifi cliches, like the whole prison planet thing, and not enough time actually with the Necros. Just missed the mark, and I've always wanted a return to that world to see it done right. - Original Message - From: C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 12:46:49 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Gosh...I guess I'm the only one that did NOT like the second movie... Such music flows
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Misreading, I always post as I work and try to rush to get back to work, leading to a garbling of my posts.I agree that they do try to drive what they want the public to want, instead of what it might really want From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aubrey Leatherwood Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 4:19 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way I don't know if you mean to type misleading the tea leaves instead of misreading the tea leaves, Tracey, but on purpose or not, I loved that turn of phrase and it seems more like the industry, y'know driving what the audience wants instead of deriving it. Aubrey Leatherwood http://www.aubreyleatherwood.com/ www.aubreyleatherwood.com http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1400087918 FaceBook * http://www.myspace.com/aubreymleatherwood MySpace Dime http://www.king-cart.com/Phaze/product=Dime/exact_match=exact Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? http://www.lyricalpress.com/imperfection.html Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. http://www.lyricalpress.com/the_people_you_know_the_sex_they_have.html The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:58:17 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way I think they are misleading the tea leaves. The second movie didn't work in terms of box office , but I do not thing they understand why it did not work From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 3:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Good point, but I agree with you. I don't want a return to the world of the first movie. I think we need to see what the heck he's going to do with the Necros, now that he's the leader? Oh--and give Thandie Newton the Best Overacting in a Melodramatic Role award for her performance! The way she was slinking and slithering around, conniving and planning and pushing her husband forward? Well, that was just plain funny. Talk about over-the-top! And everytime that scene comes up when she thinks her husband's killed the Lord Marshall, only to discover it's Riddick, and then lets out that anguished cry of Nooo! I 'bout bust a gut! Carol Burnett couldn't have overdone that scene any better! - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 5:41:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Perhaps the prison planet was a comprise to the suits to give them more of what was similar to the first movie, which made them a boatload of money. I desolate planet, where the other part of the story introduced new elements. Personally, I was riveted by the new elements and feat when they say they are going back to their roots, we will get more prison planet stuff in Riddick three From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:15 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Yeah, look at the tropes: outer space bounty hunters...a prison planet with violent temperature extremes, giving us all that outrun the deadly sunlight scenes...the dirty, sweaty, crooked prison guards on the take...crazy outre prison dogs (looking like a Klingon Targ) running around menacing the inmatesthe hero having to fight the cons-- every time I watch the movie (and I really like the movie) this scene takes me out of the movie. I've seen this done so much with everyone from Van damme to Lundgren, to Christopher Lambert. But the other storyline, ah, that is amazing! I mean, when I first saw the trailers in teh theatre, and heard great actress Dame Judy Dench speaking, i was intrigued! That shot of Dench floating in and out of physicality, was cool and magical. And the first approach of the Necros, what appeared to be a comet approaching, was chilling. The site of those giant statues, towering hundreds of feet above devastated landscapes, disgorging fighting ships, had me literally on the edge of my seat. Everytime I watch the movie--and I watch it every tme TNT or FX airs it--I get swept up in that grander story, only to get disappointed with the prison planet stuff, and the abbreviated time spent in the Necro courts. I believe the intrigues and dynastic stories they were trying to tell with the Lord Marshall and Thandie Newton and her husband could have been fleshed out, and more satisfying, with more time given to them. Instead they're
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Makes sense. If felt like that. Too bad. Both films would have worked better as separate entities then as one film. So what do you think about the new plan? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 7:37 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Part of the problem with Chronicles was that it was two movies of story crammed into one film. Twohy and Diesel wanted to do a trilogy and when the suits balked they ended up cramming too much material into one movie. So the Riddick on the run, events on the prison planet and intro of the Necros was the first movie, the later events were the second film and the quest into the Underverse and Necromonger backstory would have been the third. I wonder if this movie fits into that original plan. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: Misreading, I always post as I work and try to rush to get back to work, leading to a garbling of my posts.I agree that they do try to drive what they want the public to want, instead of what it might really want From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aubrey Leatherwood Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 4:19 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way I don't know if you mean to type misleading the tea leaves instead of misreading the tea leaves, Tracey, but on purpose or not, I loved that turn of phrase and it seems more like the industry, y'know driving what the audience wants instead of deriving it. Aubrey Leatherwood http://www.aubreyleatherwood.com/ www.aubreyleatherwood.com http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1400087918 FaceBook * http://www.myspace.com/aubreymleatherwood MySpace Dime http://www.king-cart.com/Phaze/product=Dime/exact_match=exact Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? http://www.lyricalpress.com/imperfection.html Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. http://www.lyricalpress.com/the_people_you_know_the_sex_they_have.html The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@... Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 15:58:17 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way I think they are misleading the tea leaves. The second movie didn't work in terms of box office , but I do not thing they understand why it did not work From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 3:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Good point, but I agree with you. I don't want a return to the world of the first movie. I think we need to see what the heck he's going to do with the Necros, now that he's the leader? Oh--and give Thandie Newton the Best Overacting in a Melodramatic Role award for her performance! The way she was slinking and slithering around, conniving and planning and pushing her husband forward? Well, that was just plain funny. Talk about over-the-top! And everytime that scene comes up when she thinks her husband's killed the Lord Marshall, only to discover it's Riddick, and then lets out that anguished cry of Nooo! I 'bout bust a gut! Carol Burnett couldn't have overdone that scene any better! - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 5:41:18 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Perhaps the prison planet was a comprise to the suits to give them more of what was similar to the first movie, which made them a boatload of money. I desolate planet, where the other part of the story introduced new elements. Personally, I was riveted by the new elements and feat when they say they are going back to their roots, we will get more prison planet stuff in Riddick three From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 2:15 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Yeah, look at the tropes: outer space bounty hunters...a prison planet with violent temperature extremes, giving us all that outrun the deadly sunlight scenes...the dirty, sweaty, crooked prison guards on the take...crazy outre prison dogs (looking like a Klingon Targ) running around menacing the inmatesthe hero having to fight the cons-- every time I watch the movie (and I really like the movie) this scene takes me out
[scifinoir2] FW: Blue Avatars Spotted in Palestine
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Never thought about it before, but now that you mention it, I think he looks more like his son, Miguel Ferrer. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of C.W. Badie Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 1:56 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way This is a question that I've been dying to ask...Does Vin Diesel remind any of you of Jose Ferrer? Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, ggs...@yahoo.com, CINQUE cinque3...@verizon.net Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:22 AM Riddick 3 Is On Its Way - http://io9.com/ 5470466/riddick- 3-is-on-its- way Fans of gravelly-voiced bald scifi heroes rejoice: Universal has announced that it will be releasing a third Chronicles of Riddick movie in the US, with international rights being auctioned off at the Berlin Film Festival. The third movie, to be titled Riddick, will be written and directed by the man behind the first two movies in the series, David Twohy, and co-produced by Twohy and star Vin Diesel. Although plot details are unreleased, Variety suggests that the movie will be closer in tone to Pitch Black than Chronicles. http://io9.com/ 5470466/riddick- 3-is-on-its- way E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14350 http://www.pctools. http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ com/spyware- doctor-antivirus / E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14350 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14350 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
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Oh my.. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aubrey Leatherwood Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way I get the similarity. The nose, the mouth, but I've never naturally made that connection. Maybe I'm distracted by the regions below the neck. Aubrey Leatherwood http://www.aubreyleatherwood.com/ www.aubreyleatherwood.com http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1400087918 FaceBook * http://www.myspace.com/aubreymleatherwood MySpace Dime http://www.king-cart.com/Phaze/product=Dime/exact_match=exact Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? http://www.lyricalpress.com/imperfection.html Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. http://www.lyricalpress.com/the_people_you_know_the_sex_they_have.html The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 01:56:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way This is a question that I've been dying to ask...Does Vin Diesel remind any of you of Jose Ferrer? Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way To: scifino...@yahoogroups..com, ggs...@yahoo.com, CINQUE cinque3...@verizon.net Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:22 AM Riddick 3 Is On Its Way - http://io9.com/ 5470466/riddick- 3-is-on-its- way Fans of gravelly-voiced bald scifi heroes rejoice: Universal has announced that it will be releasing a third Chronicles of Riddick movie in the US, with international rights being auctioned off at the Berlin Film Festival. The third movie, to be titled Riddick, will be written and directed by the man behind the first two movies in the series, David Twohy, and co-produced by Twohy and star Vin Diesel. Although plot details are unreleased, Variety suggests that the movie will be closer in tone to Pitch Black than Chronicles. http://io9.com/ 5470466/riddick- 3-is-on-its- way E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14350 http://www.pctools. http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ com/spyware- doctor-antivirus / _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ now. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14350 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14350 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
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No you misunderstood. My puritanical sensibilities were shocked about your Maybe I'm distracted by the regions below the neck.' I never noticed such things, I was drawn to the character's cerebral prowess.( I typed that with a straight face) However, I agree with you about both movies. I liked the universe that they created in Riddick From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aubrey Leatherwood Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:24 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Just sayin' Tracey, no resemblance in that area :) I am really excited that the movie is greenlit, although I'm conflicted about the return to Pitch Black atmosphere. I love that movie and it's small quarters grit, but I love Chronicles for its bigness and hubris. Hmmm, whatever it turns out to be, I'm sure I will see it. Aubrey Leatherwood http://www..aubreyleatherwood.com/ www.aubreyleatherwood.com http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1400087918 FaceBook * http://www.myspace.com/aubreymleatherwood MySpace Dime http://www.king-cart.com/Phaze/product=Dime/exact_match=exact Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? http://www.lyricalpress.com/imperfection.html Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. http://www.lyricalpress.com/the_people_you_know_the_sex_they_have.html The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 03:17:45 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Oh my.. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aubrey Leatherwood Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:00 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way I get the similarity. The nose, the mouth, but I've never naturally made that connection. Aubrey Leatherwood www.aubreyleatherwood.com http://www.aubreyleatherwood.com/ FaceBook http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1400087918 * MySpace http://www.myspace.com/aubreymleatherwood Dime http://www.king-cart.com/Phaze/product=Dime/exact_match=exact Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? http://www.lyricalpress.com/imperfection.html Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love and perfect sex. http://www.lyricalpress.com/the_people_you_know_the_sex_they_have..html The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: astromancer2...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 01:56:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way This is a question that I've been dying to ask...Does Vin Diesel remind any of you of Jose Ferrer? Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way To: scifino...@yahoogroups..com, ggs...@yahoo.com, CINQUE cinque3...@verizon.net Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:22 AM Riddick 3 Is On Its Way - http://io9.com/ 5470466/riddick- 3-is-on-its- way Fans of gravelly-voiced bald scifi heroes rejoice: Universal has announced that it will be releasing a third Chronicles of Riddick movie in the US, with international rights being auctioned off at the Berlin Film Festival. The third movie, to be titled Riddick, will be written and directed by the man behind the first two movies in the series, David Twohy, and co-produced by Twohy and star Vin Diesel. Although plot details are unreleased, Variety suggests that the movie will be closer in tone to Pitch Black than Chronicles. http://io9.com/ 5470466/riddick- 3-is-on-its- way E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14350 http://www.pctools. http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ com/spyware- doctor-antivirus / _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14350 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14350 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up http
RE: [scifinoir2] FW: Blue Avatars Spotted in Palestine
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RE: [scifinoir2] FW: Blue Avatars Spotted in Palestine
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RE: [scifinoir2] FW: Blue Avatars Spotted in Palestine
I'm glad this is real. Great find! From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Justin Mohareb Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 5:03 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] FW: Blue Avatars Spotted in Palestine http://chroniquespalestine.blogspot.com/2010/02/avatar-in-bilin-demonstratio n.html Pics there. Good makeup . Justin On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I thought it odd that there were not any pictures. Too bad, the imagery would have been powerful From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:52 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] FW: Blue Avatars Spotted in Palestine Tracey, slightly saner than the Drugster or Lonesome Rhoads Beck... but not by much. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 12:59:51 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] FW: Blue Avatars Spotted in Palestine I have no exposure to Breitbart. What is it? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 12:33 PM To: SciFiNoir2; dar...@darylelockhart.com; afrikanm...@hotmail.com; cbilmarket...@yahoo.com; bettil...@msn.com; Interesting. Now, a question. This comes from the computer of Breitbart... are we sure it even happened? If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: dar...@darylelockhart.com; afrikanm...@hotmail.com; cbilmarket...@yahoo.com; bettil...@msn.com; cinque3...@verizon.net; dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net; duva...@hotmail.com; fis...@bellsouth.net; gwashin...@aol.com; jeffreypbal...@gmail.com; killa...@gmail.com; kalpub...@aol.com; keithbjohn...@comcast.net; imke...@gmail.com; seriousnup...@yahoo.com; logic1...@aol.com; truthseeker...@icqmail.com; mmb1...@gmail.com; gord...@indiana..edu mailto:gord...@indiana.edu ; michael.v.w.gor...@gmail.com; ravena...@yahoo.com; rs...@yahoo.com; everything...@nyc.rr.com; valeryjea...@yahoo.com; wendellsmit...@gmail.com; sonofafieldne...@sbc global.net; williamsf...@speakeasy.net; beta...@yahoo.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 02:58:12 -0800 Subject: [scifinoir2] FW: Blue Avatars Spotted in Palestine From: Chris de Morsella [mailto:cdemorse...@yahoo.com] Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 1:00 AM To: Tracey de Morsella Subject: RE: palestinian Avatars http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9DQQLG83 http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9DQQLG83show_article=1 show_article=1 http://topics.breitbart.com/JERUSALEM/ JERUSALEM (AP) - Palestinian protesters have added a colorful twist to demonstrations against http://topics.breitbart.com/israel/ Israel's separation barrier, painting themselves blue and posing as characters from the hit film Avatar. The demonstrators also donned long hair and loincloths Friday for the weekly protest against the barrier near the village of http://topics.breitbart.com/Bilin/ Bilin. They equated their struggle to the intergalactic one portrayed in the film. Israel says the barrier is needed for its security. Palestinians consider it a land grab. The protests have become a symbol of opposition. They often end in clashes with Israeli http://topics.breitbart.com/security+forces/ security forces involving stones and tear gas. The Avatar protest comes a day after the Israeli government began rerouting the enclosure to eat up less of the Palestinian village. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14350 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14350 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14350 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14350 http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469229/direct/01/ now. E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database
RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way
I know lots of people who did not like the second movie. I did not think it had the intensity of the first. It felt more like they were trying to go blockbuster with the second movie. I always thought I was the only one who liked it. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of C.W. Badie Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:47 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Gosh...I guess I'm the only one that did NOT like the second movie... Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 2:48 PM No you misunderstood. My puritanical sensibilities were shocked about your “Maybe I'm distracted by the regions below the neck.’ I never noticed such things, I was drawn to the character’s cerebral prowess. ( I typed that with a straight face) However, I agree with you about both movies. I liked the universe that they created in Riddick From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Aubrey Leatherwood Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:24 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Just sayin' Tracey, no resemblance in that area :) I am really excited that the movie is greenlit, although I'm conflicted about the return to Pitch Black atmosphere. I love that movie and it's small quarters grit, but I love Chronicles for its bigness and hubris. Hmmm, whatever it turns out to be, I'm sure I will see it. Aubrey Leatherwood http://www..aubreyleatherwood.com/ www.aubreyleatherwo od.com http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1400087918 FaceBook * http://www.myspace.com/aubreymleatherwood MySpace Dime http://www.king-cart.com/Phaze/product=Dime/exact_match=exact Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? http://www.lyricalpress.com/imperfection.html Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. http://www.lyricalpress.com/the_people_you_know_the_sex_they_have..html The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905- 0-0 _ To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 03:17:45 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Oh my…… From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Aubrey Leatherwood Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:00 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way I get the similarity. The nose, the mouth, but I've never naturally made that connection. Aubrey Leatherwood www.aubreyleatherwo http://www.aubreyleatherwood.com/ od.com FaceBook http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1400087918 * MySpace http://www.myspace.com/aubreymleatherwood Dime http://www.king-cart.com/Phaze/product=Dime/exact_match=exact Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? http://www.lyricalpress.com/imperfection.html Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love and perfect sex. http://www.lyricalpress.com/the_people_you_know_the_sex_they_have...html The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905- 0-0 _ To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 01:56:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way This is a question that I've been dying to ask...Does Vin Diesel remind any of you of Jose Ferrer? Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com Subject: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way To: scifino...@yahoogro ups..com, ggs...@yahoo. com, CINQUE cinque3...@verizon. net Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 1:22 AM Riddick 3 Is On Its Way - http://io9.com/ 5470466/riddick- 3-is-on-its- way Fans of gravelly-voiced bald scifi heroes rejoice: Universal has announced that it will be releasing a third Chronicles of Riddick movie in the US, with international rights being auctioned off at the Berlin Film Festival. The third movie, to be titled Riddick, will be written and directed by the man behind the first two movies in the series, David Twohy, and co-produced by Twohy and star Vin
RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way
There was very little continuity. I wish they could splitter off and do both. I thought Pitch Black was a masterpiece in its time. Chronicles is just good stay at home movie fun.So I can relate to your perspective From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of C.W. Badie Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 10:31 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way For me, it went from gritty and dangerous to video game-ish... Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Sun, 2/14/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 14, 2010, 12:08 AM I know lots of people who did not like the second movie. I did not think it had the intensity of the first. It felt more like they were trying to go blockbuster with the second movie. I always thought I was the only one who liked it. From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of C.W. Badie Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:47 PM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Gosh...I guess I'm the only one that did NOT like the second movie... Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Sat, 2/13/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Date: Saturday, February 13, 2010, 2:48 PM No you misunderstood. My puritanical sensibilities were shocked about your “Maybe I'm distracted by the regions below the neck.’ I never noticed such things, I was drawn to the character’s cerebral prowess. ( I typed that with a straight face) However, I agree with you about both movies. I liked the universe that they created in Riddick From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Aubrey Leatherwood Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:24 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Just sayin' Tracey, no resemblance in that area :) I am really excited that the movie is greenlit, although I'm conflicted about the return to Pitch Black atmosphere. I love that movie and it's small quarters grit, but I love Chronicles for its bigness and hubris. Hmmm, whatever it turns out to be, I'm sure I will see it. Aubrey Leatherwood http://www..aubreyleatherwood.com/ www.aubreyleatherwo od.com http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1400087918 FaceBook * http://www.myspace.com/aubreymleatherwood MySpace Dime http://www.king-cart.com/Phaze/product=Dime/exact_match=exact Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? http://www.lyricalpress.com/imperfection.html Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. http://www.lyricalpress.com/the_people_you_know_the_sex_they_have...html The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905- 0-0 _ To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: tdli...@multicultur aladvantage. com Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 03:17:45 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way Oh my…… From: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Aubrey Leatherwood Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 3:00 AM To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way I get the similarity. The nose, the mouth, but I've never naturally made that connection. Aubrey Leatherwood www.aubreyleatherwo http://www.aubreyleatherwood.com/ od.com FaceBook http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1400087918 * MySpace http://www.myspace.com/aubreymleatherwood Dime http://www.king-cart.com/Phaze/product=Dime/exact_match=exact Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? http://www.lyricalpress.com/imperfection.html Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love and perfect sex. http://www.lyricalpress.com/the_people_you_know_the_sex_they_havehtml The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905- 0-0 _ To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: astromancer2002@ yahoo.com Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 01:56:17 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way This is a question that I've been dying to ask...Does Vin Diesel remind any of you of Jose Ferrer
[scifinoir2] Riddick 3 Is On Its Way
Riddick 3 Is On Its Way - http://io9.com/5470466/riddick-3-is-on-its-way Fans of gravelly-voiced bald scifi heroes rejoice: Universal has announced that it will be releasing a third Chronicles of Riddick movie in the US, with international rights being auctioned off at the Berlin Film Festival. The third movie, to be titled Riddick, will be written and directed by the man behind the first two movies in the series, David Twohy, and co-produced by Twohy and star Vin Diesel. Although plot details are unreleased, Variety suggests that the movie will be closer in tone to Pitch Black than Chronicles. http://io9.com/5470466/riddick-3-is-on-its-way E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (7.0.0.514) Database version: 6.14350 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/
[scifinoir2] Samuel Delany's 70-Year Romance Novel Coming This Fall
- http://io9.com/5467952/samuel-delanys-70+year-romance-novel-coming-this-fall You think your love affair is long lasting? Your romance is but an eyeblink compared to that of the characters in Samuel R. Delany's new novel - which is finally coming out this fall. When we interviewed Delany a while back, he was excited about his new novel, Through The Valley Of The Nest Of Spiders, but didn't yet have a publisher or release date. He described it to us: In a way, it's a very simple story, just about two working-class gay men, who meet when they're seventeen and nineteen, living on the coast of Georgia. They meet in 2007, and they stay together for the next 80 years, until one of them dies. Now you tell me whether that's science fiction or not. It definitely goes into the future, but on the other hand, they're absolutely out of the center of life, and things progress where they live, very very slowly. And they hear about things that are going on outside. They live on coastal part of Georgia in a little town that does go through cycles of being a semi-popular tourist spot in the summers, and then some years, nobody bothers to come at all. Eventually they move to a little island off the coast, and a little lesbian art colony starts up on the island. And they wonder if they're not being crowded out of their new home. But they're very fond of some of the people who live there, and some of the people who live there are very fond of them. Delany just appeared on http://www.dragonpage.com/2010/02/08/cover-to-cover-395a/ the Cover To Cover podcast, and revealed that Nest Of Spiders is coming out this fall, from Alyson Books. Writes http://mumpsimus.blogspot.com/2010/02/science-fiction-has-given-umlaut-in.h tml Matthew Cheney: It was the first time I'd publicly heard the release date of Chip's new novel, Through the Valley of the Nest of Spiders, which is scheduled to be releaed in November from Alyson Books, where the great Don Weise, who was the editor for Dark Reflections, is now the publisher. A version of part of the new novel appeared in Black Clock 7 a few years ago, and Chip read some of it aloud at Readercon this past summer. It tells the story of the relationship of two men, starting in 2007 and continuing for about seventy years into the future. So now I guess it's 70 years, rather than 80 years. In either case, I'm still dying to read this novel. Send an email to Charlie Jane Anders, the author of this post, at charliej...@io9.com mailto:charliej...@io9.com?subject=http://io9.com/5467952/samuel-delanys-70 +year-romance-novel-coming-this-fall .
RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At?
I like said, he reads like one of those racists who see themselves as enlightened and as you said, who will point to Latinos and Asians as to why our perspective is “crazy,” and use it as an excuse to not listen or open their minds. It is not intentional; it is unconscious. The only way he could be convinced is if he took an unconscious bias test. The problem is if you think you do not have it why would you take it unless you were force to. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:33 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? Those are the two women I was referencing, thanks, I'd forgotten Duella's name. Could only remember her being called Dee. I used to listen to Moore's BSG podcast. It was really good: every week he'd replay the entire show, and comment on it. When the religious leader was killed, he actually laughed on the podcast, saying of her death, So long--we're barely knew you! (Chuckles). That bothered me, both because it was a black woman, and because I didn't see anything funny in a character who was important to the journey being bumped off. Struck me as odd... I couldn't get why so important a character was bumped off like that, in an apparently throwaway manner. As for Duella, yeah, she bothered me a lot too. She really was used to move others' stories along. Aside from my irritation at her only being put with white men--back to my question, where are the brothers?--I was irritated her character was so incomplete. I'd be interested in hearing Moore's views on the subject. Maybe he'd point to the Latino men and Asian woman and say he can't please everyone? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 8, 2010 2:25:08 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? WARNING SPOILERS BELOW I remember two black women. Duella and the religious woman. The religious woman was killed off before anything could be done with her character. Duella’s character always bothered me. Most times, she seemed like a filler character and was occasionally used to move the story along for other characters. Also she has what I used to call the “Claudia and Brian syndrome”. Waaay back in the day, I used to watch General Hospital and they had this Black couple that they showcased as proof of diversity. We heard about their problems and issues like other characters, but unlike other characters, we were never exposed to the gory details or their stories. They were always coming and going. Duella had a relationship with the guy that worked for the president, but we never got any info on it until they decided to kill him off. She was also used to create tension between Apollo and Starbuck, but we never got to see how she became a devoted wife to Lee. She was not even dating him. We saw them divorce and she was gone. Very little exploration of their relationship. She was supposed to be close to Adama like the Asian girl, but unlike the Asian girl, we were never able to really see how they were close. We saw her be supposedly mellow and off herself, with one wrinkled brow provided as a clue to how she was really upset. We were able it be exposed to the nuances of the characters of other people of color on the show. Tori, the guy who lost his leg, but not Duella. The only time I saw otherwise was when they were doing an episode on planet-based bias, ironically. But in my view, it was done to help Bruce Davidson storyline. The man does not have a problem with people of color in general, but he does with Blacks, in my view. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:07 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I was thinking the same thing a bit ago, Tracey, while making myself a milk shake (hey, it's my alcohol! Sugar free, of course!) I kept wondering how BSG/Caprica can be so devoid of important black men when Moore and crew crafted such a strong one in Sisko. I too wondered, did he simply inherit Sisko and worked with the character to make him good? As such, he could be an example of that most problematic of people: someone who doesn't see color (or thinks he doesn't), and who doesn't like to make what he thinks are some kind of quota/affirmative action based decisions. And thus, being what they think is colorblind, they continue to populate their worlds with people who look like them, and never realize how others are being overlooked. How do you think he's done with black women on BSG/Caprica? I can only recall the black religious leader who guided the President
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During the writers’ strike, they had no difficulty developing other storylines and romances of people who were not Black, and they had no trouble showing Tory in a relationship or the character on Caprica in a relationship, so I’m now inclined after years of thinking this guy did not have Black problem to believing that he does From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:16 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I think the with the writers strike happening around that time frame they decided to progress things a bit. But you are correct, they could have showed their relationship more. Maybe they were afraid of showing an interracial couple? Interracial couples, and other types of relationships are usually sexless in the magical tv world anyway. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: WARNING SPOILERS BELOW I remember two black women. Duella and the religious woman. The religious woman was killed off before anything could be done with her character. Duella’s character always bothered me. Most times, she seemed like a filler character and was occasionally used to move the story along for other characters. Also she has what I used to call the “Claudia and Brian syndrome”. Waaay back in the day, I used to watch General Hospital and they had this Black couple that they showcased as proof of diversity. We heard about their problems and issues like other characters, but unlike other characters, we were never exposed to the gory details or their stories. They were always coming and going. Duella had a relationship with the guy that worked for the president, but we never got any info on it until they decided to kill him off. She was also used to create tension between Apollo and Starbuck, but we never got to see how she became a devoted wife to Lee. She was not even dating him. We saw them divorce and she was gone. Very little exploration of their relationship. She was supposed to be close to Adama like the Asian girl, but unlike the Asian girl, we were never able to really see how they were close. We saw her be supposedly mellow and off herself, with one wrinkled brow provided as a clue to how she was really upset. We were able it be exposed to the nuances of the characters of other people of color on the show. Tori, the guy who lost his leg, but not Duella. The only time I saw otherwise was when they were doing an episode on planet-based bias, ironically. But in my view, it was done to help Bruce Davidson storyline. The man does not have a problem with people of color in general, but he does with Blacks, in my view. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:07 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I was thinking the same thing a bit ago, Tracey, while making myself a milk shake (hey, it's my alcohol! Sugar free, of course!) I kept wondering how BSG/Caprica can be so devoid of important black men when Moore and crew crafted such a strong one in Sisko. I too wondered, did he simply inherit Sisko and worked with the character to make him good? As such, he could be an example of that most problematic of people: someone who doesn't see color (or thinks he doesn't), and who doesn't like to make what he thinks are some kind of quota/affirmative action based decisions. And thus, being what they think is colorblind, they continue to populate their worlds with people who look like them, and never realize how others are being overlooked. How do you think he's done with black women on BSG/Caprica? I can only recall the black religious leader who guided the President in BSG for a while (died in a bobby trap?), and the sister who worked in CNC on Galactica. She was okay, but I was miffed with her rather slight character, and of course, not brothers for her to date, even though they were always lurking in the background. BSG/Caprica has put Latinoes and Asians in prominent roles--perhaps, are blacks just being left out 'cause there's only so much room at that table, and the seats have been taken? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 11:58:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I know Moore set trends with Sisco on DS9 with regards to Blacks men having power on TV, but I’ve begun to think that was a fluke resulting from him inheriting Sisco.I think he has some issues with us, but believes himself to be enlightened in this regard. The only evidence to the contrary other then Sisco
RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At?
Then perhaps it was coincidental that the difficulties they had with Black characters throughout the entire series seemed similar to what was done during the strike, I do not know, but from my view they were doing more of the same. I do not doublt what you said occurred during the strike, but I do think if you have a problem with your writing thoughout a series, you are not going to be inclined to pull it together during a strike. By the way, I do not think they discriminated against people of color, just Blacks. Indians, Asians, and Latinos, seem to get better treatment From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 7:11 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? The storylines were shot before they got to that point in time is what I'm getting at. Very little anywhere in Hollywood was shot during the strike. It could have more to do with the casting director and not the actual directors or writers. This is an issue that has come up before and has not been addressed properly yet in Hollywood. When parts are written they automatically suggest a particular race and look for a part. Other smaller parts the outlines may not be as well defined. It is during this process where the problems occur that discriminate against people of color. When they think of a lead role, they will often try to find whomever is in the writer's head at the time. Cattle calls usually end up with a profile like looking for Male 25-35, athletic, martial arts skills 6' - 6.6' blond hair. That right there has eliminated most of the actors. I wonder what would happen if a black male showed up with dyed blond hair? On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: During the writers’ strike, they had no difficulty developing other storylines and romances of people who were not Black, and they had no trouble showing Tory in a relationship or the character on Caprica in a relationship, so I’m now inclined after years of thinking this guy did not have Black problem to believing that he does From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:16 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I think the with the writers strike happening around that time frame they decided to progress things a bit. But you are correct, they could have showed their relationship more. Maybe they were afraid of showing an interracial couple? Interracial couples, and other types of relationships are usually sexless in the magical tv world anyway. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: WARNING SPOILERS BELOW I remember two black women. Duella and the religious woman. The religious woman was killed off before anything could be done with her character. Duella’s character always bothered me. Most times, she seemed like a filler character and was occasionally used to move the story along for other characters. Also she has what I used to call the “Claudia and Brian syndrome”. Waaay back in the day, I used to watch General Hospital and they had this Black couple that they showcased as proof of diversity. We heard about their problems and issues like other characters, but unlike other characters, we were never exposed to the gory details or their stories. They were always coming and going. Duella had a relationship with the guy that worked for the president, but we never got any info on it until they decided to kill him off. She was also used to create tension between Apollo and Starbuck, but we never got to see how she became a devoted wife to Lee. She was not even dating him. We saw them divorce and she was gone. Very little exploration of their relationship. She was supposed to be close to Adama like the Asian girl, but unlike the Asian girl, we were never able to really see how they were close. We saw her be supposedly mellow and off herself, with one wrinkled brow provided as a clue to how she was really upset. We were able it be exposed to the nuances of the characters of other people of color on the show. Tori, the guy who lost his leg, but not Duella. The only time I saw otherwise was when they were doing an episode on planet-based bias, ironically. But in my view, it was done to help Bruce Davidson storyline. The man does not have a problem with people of color in general, but he does with Blacks, in my view. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:07 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I was thinking the same thing
implicit prejudice in BSG RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At?
Perhaps we just have to agree to disagree. If all the great character development for African Americans scenes were coincidentally relegated to webisodes and the only reason that a black person’s role was not developed while others were was because of the strike, I find that coincidence odd. In my view, I still see implicit prejudice. http://www.multiculturaladvantage.com/recruit/diversity/bias/Implicit-Prejudice-Unconsciously-Colors-Our-World.asp I respect your opinion, but for me these sound like weak excuses for something that even the producer is likely unaware of. By the way, I really like that actor, Rick Worthy. He was really good in a series called Eyes and Odyssey 5. I wish I could see most of his work. I’ve been a big fan of Moore since DS9, and hoped with Worthy’s part, that the patterns of his decisions with Black actors , would begin to seem more random, but in the end, after scenes were cut until he appeared little more than a bit player, that these patterns are not random. I still hope I am wrong, but nothing you have shown me proves otherwise, in fact these factoids seem to more likely support it. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:21 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? One thing that is overlooked with the show was the additional footage that was made for the internet. There were a lot of webisodes that included additional screen time for all of the main characters from their points of view. But brotha's character was seriously under utilized. Although it was the most important to the survival of mankind. Here is a video that has a short interview of the actor that played Simon: http://video.syfy.com/shows/battlestar/more/deleted_scenes_2/#shows/battlestar/events_specials/the_plan/its-all-about-character/v1169714 On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Then perhaps it was coincidental that the difficulties they had with Black characters throughout the entire series seemed similar to what was done during the strike, I do not know, but from my view they were doing more of the same. I do not doublt what you said occurred during the strike, but I do think if you have a problem with your writing thoughout a series, you are not going to be inclined to pull it together during a strike. By the way, I do not think they discriminated against people of color, just Blacks. Indians, Asians, and Latinos, seem to get better treatment From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 7:11 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? The storylines were shot before they got to that point in time is what I'm getting at. Very little anywhere in Hollywood was shot during the strike. It could have more to do with the casting director and not the actual directors or writers. This is an issue that has come up before and has not been addressed properly yet in Hollywood. When parts are written they automatically suggest a particular race and look for a part. Other smaller parts the outlines may not be as well defined. It is during this process where the problems occur that discriminate against people of color. When they think of a lead role, they will often try to find whomever is in the writer's head at the time. Cattle calls usually end up with a profile like looking for Male 25-35, athletic, martial arts skills 6' - 6.6' blond hair. That right there has eliminated most of the actors. I wonder what would happen if a black male showed up with dyed blond hair? On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:00 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: During the writers’ strike, they had no difficulty developing other storylines and romances of people who were not Black, and they had no trouble showing Tory in a relationship or the character on Caprica in a relationship, so I’m now inclined after years of thinking this guy did not have Black problem to believing that he does From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:16 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I think the with the writers strike happening around that time frame they decided to progress things a bit. But you are correct, they could have showed their relationship more. Maybe they were afraid of showing an interracial couple? Interracial couples, and other types of relationships are usually sexless in the magical tv world anyway. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: WARNING SPOILERS BELOW
RE: implicit prejudice in BSG RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At?
I guess we just disagree on both whether Moore is prejudice against Black and the definition of implicit prejudice. I believe Moore is prejudice against Blacks. You are actually the first black man I have ever met who has come to Moore’s defense. This was not about Black leads. Perhaps we were in two different conversations. Disagreement is fine From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 10:58 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: implicit prejudice in BSG RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? Without talking to them directly or someone asking them point blank we will never really know for sure. Its all intellectual conjecture at this point. I wasn't trying to prove that the producers and directors were fair. Just playing devil's advocate offering some possible alternatives. Considering the fact that there are no shows with a black male or female lead in scifi or drama on tv right now makes this seem a bit moot. Implicit prejudice sounds a little more politically correct than straight up prejudice doesn't it? On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Perhaps we just have to agree to disagree. If all the great character development for African Americans scenes were coincidentally relegated to webisodes and the only reason that a black person’s role was not developed while others were was because of the strike, I find that coincidence odd. In my view, I still see implicit prejudice. http://www.multiculturaladvantage.com/recruit/diversity/bias/Implicit-Prejudice-Unconsciously-Colors-Our-World.asp I respect your opinion, but for me these sound like weak excuses for something that even the producer is likely unaware of. By the way, I really like that actor, Rick Worthy. He was really good in a series called Eyes and Odyssey 5. I wish I could see most of his work. I’ve been a big fan of Moore since DS9, and hoped with Worthy’s part, that the patterns of his decisions with Black actors , would begin to seem more random, but in the end, after scenes were cut until he appeared little more than a bit player, that these patterns are not random. I still hope I am wrong, but nothing you have shown me proves otherwise, in fact these factoids seem to more likely support it. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 9:21 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? One thing that is overlooked with the show was the additional footage that was made for the internet. There were a lot of webisodes that included additional screen time for all of the main characters from their points of view. But brotha's character was seriously under utilized. Although it was the most important to the survival of mankind. Here is a video that has a short interview of the actor that played Simon: http://video.syfy.com/shows/battlestar/more/deleted_scenes_2/#shows/battlestar/events_specials/the_plan/its-all-about-character/v1169714 On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: Then perhaps it was coincidental that the difficulties they had with Black characters throughout the entire series seemed similar to what was done during the strike, I do not know, but from my view they were doing more of the same. I do not doublt what you said occurred during the strike, but I do think if you have a problem with your writing thoughout a series, you are not going to be inclined to pull it together during a strike. By the way, I do not think they discriminated against people of color, just Blacks. Indians, Asians, and Latinos, seem to get better treatment From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 7:11 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? The storylines were shot before they got to that point in time is what I'm getting at. Very little anywhere in Hollywood was shot during the strike. It could have more to do with the casting director and not the actual directors or writers. This is an issue that has come up before and has not been addressed properly yet in Hollywood. When parts are written they automatically suggest a particular race and look for a part. Other smaller parts the outlines may not be as well defined. It is during this process where the problems occur that discriminate against people of color. When they think of a lead role, they will often try to find whomever is in the writer's head at the time. Cattle calls usually end up with a profile like looking for Male 25-35, athletic, martial arts skills 6' - 6.6' blond hair
[scifinoir2] RE: Hot Air Balloon Over Troubled Waters
From: Chris de Morsella [mailto:cdemorse...@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 8:24 PM To: Tracey de Morsella; 'S. Drasnin'; 'Loyd Atwood'; 'Tony Lockard' Subject: RE: Hot Air Balloon Over Troubled Waters LOST BALLOON BLOWING IN THE WIND A woman in a hot air balloon realized she was lost. She lowered her altitude and spotted a man in a boat below. She shouted to him, Excuse me, can you help me? I promised a friend I would meet him an hour ago, but I don't know where I am. The man consulted his portable GPS and replied, You're in a hot air balloon, approximately 30 feet above ground elevation of 2,346 feet above sea level. You are at 31 degrees, 14.97 minutes north latitude and 100 degrees, 49.09 minutes west longitude. She rolled her eyes and said, You must be an Obama Democrat. I am, replied the man. How did you know? Well, answered the balloonist, everything you told me is technically correct. But I have no idea what to do with your information, and I'm still lost. Frankly, you've not been much help to me. The man smiled and responded, You must be a Republican. I am, replied the balloonist. How did you know? Well, said the man, you don't know where you are or where you are going. You've risen to where you are due to a lot of hot air. You made a promise you have no idea how to keep, and you expect me to solve your problem. You're in exactly the same position you were in before we met, but somehow, now it's my fault.
RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon
I loved it too. I was a big fan. The alcoholic doctor, is on Medium now. I like his character. I thought Shaun Cassidy the guy who did Invasion was the Producer of American Gothic? I never heard of Chiller. I will have to look for it. What's the kid, Lucas black up to these days ? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aubrey Leatherwood Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:06 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon Hey Guys, American Gothic is on Chiller for the next few hours. I was very much into this series (but never into Twin Peaks oddly enough) and somewhat amazed that it made it past a pitch session onto TV even if it was cancelled after one season. Produced by our buddy Sam Raimi it featured a few actors (Gary Cole, Jake Weber, Sarah Paulson) who are pretty successful these days. Lucas Black hasn't quite lived up to his potential, but you had to love him as a kid with that heavy Southern accent. Did anyone else watch it? Aubrey Leatherwood CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR FAVORITE EROTICA AUTHOR 2009 www.aubreyleatherwood.com FaceBook * MySpace Dime Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ now.
RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At?
The one was little more than an extra. Unlike every other cylon, he had no storylines devoted to his character and in at least two episodes that he appeared in, he did not even have lines From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:02 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? Ah, but that's my point: none of them had pivotal roles or were memorable. You had to refresh my memory that one of the 12 was black, and I do remember that one that escaped too. But again, no black men have had major roles in either series. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 6:29:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? One of the 12 was black. He was an important character in the first 2 seasons, and the Plan. There was also a minor character that had been captured and escaped, but that didn't go anywhere. There were also several that were pilots on the transports. Also there were a couple on the other battlestar. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Something odd strikes me about the BSG/Caprica worlds: no black men in significant positions. I missed the last couple years of BSG, but I remember noting the curious lack of black men in anything but background roles. I think there was one reporter on that ship were political events were held, but he wasn't even the main reporter. I see them in the background on the ship, but no high level officers, now that Boomer and Tigh from the original series were replaced by an Asian lady and a white man, respectively. Hell: I don't even remember any of the fighter pilots being black. Where I *did* see black man on BSG? On the ep dealing with the prison ship, the place was lousy with black men: big, black, bald black men. I also note a lot of brothers functioning as scowling muscle. When Admiral Cain (michelle Forbes) came to Galactica, her high level staff was all white men. But the bodyguards? All big, very black, very bald, scowling black men. Left a bad taste in my mouth, and frankly one reason i lost some interest in the show. Did it get better? Now on Caprica I'm seeing the same thing. Sure, I see black men in the background: in the street traffic, maybe a reporter in the background shouting questions. Back again, I see no high level scientists, politicians, police, or military men who are black. The one black I can remember in anything approaching a recurring role? The big, black, bald, scowling brother who functions as the bodyguard/drive for the Greystones. What's the deal? This reminds me of the old days when we were in the background but little else. I'd ask if it's because of the shooting locale, but if they can find brothers to walk up and down the street, surely they could put some in important roles. It's cool and all they have a Latino in a role that may or may not be Latino, but my brothers are all but absent... -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon
I’m a big fan of Cassidy. If I see his name on it, I’m going to check it out. I wish he did more work From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:25 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon Loved it and watched it from day one. Gary Cole was great and menacing, and Lucas Black was quite a find. I agree with you he hasn't quite reached the potential he showed in American Gothic and Sling Blade. I was really excited to see where he'd go. He has such an intense personality. But alas, aside from Friday Night Lights, I can't remember him with major roles in any other work. He works all the time--Legion, Jarhead, Cold Mountain--just not as visibly as I'd hoped. And don't forget American Gothic is the brainchild of former Hardy Boys teen heart throb Saun Cassidy. Cassidy was also behind the short-lived series Invasion (a modern take on the Invasion of the Body Snatchers theme), and, he was one of the producer/writers for the short-lived series Roar, which starred Heath Ledger as a Celtic warrior. When Cassidy's penchant for edge, adult fare started manifesting itself, quite a few suits and fews were surprised. I think he's one of the best talents in the scifi/fantasy genre. Unfortunately, he likes to write densely layered plots that take time to develop, and don't really on a lot of quick killing and action, so networks rarely give his stuff more than one year. He ought to try his hand at more movies, or maybe people like him and Joss Whedon need to form an outfit to get their stuff produced on networks that might actually support them for a while. Fox and ABC don't have the staying power. - Original Message - From: Aubrey Leatherwood aubrey.leatherw...@hotmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 1:06:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon Hey Guys, American Gothic is on Chiller for the next few hours. I was very much into this series (but never into Twin Peaks oddly enough) and somewhat amazed that it made it past a pitch session onto TV even if it was cancelled after one season. Produced by our buddy Sam Raimi it featured a few actors (Gary Cole, Jake Weber, Sarah Paulson) who are pretty successful these days. Lucas Black hasn't quite lived up to his potential, but you had to love him as a kid with that heavy Southern accent. Did anyone else watch it? Aubrey Leatherwood CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR FAVORITE EROTICA AUTHOR 2009 www.aubreyleatherwood.com FaceBook * MySpace Dime Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ now.
RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon
I think Cassidy and Whedon should try HBO and Showtime. But who knows, maybe that have and did not get their work accepted From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:25 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon Loved it and watched it from day one. Gary Cole was great and menacing, and Lucas Black was quite a find. I agree with you he hasn't quite reached the potential he showed in American Gothic and Sling Blade. I was really excited to see where he'd go. He has such an intense personality. But alas, aside from Friday Night Lights, I can't remember him with major roles in any other work. He works all the time--Legion, Jarhead, Cold Mountain--just not as visibly as I'd hoped. And don't forget American Gothic is the brainchild of former Hardy Boys teen heart throb Saun Cassidy. Cassidy was also behind the short-lived series Invasion (a modern take on the Invasion of the Body Snatchers theme), and, he was one of the producer/writers for the short-lived series Roar, which starred Heath Ledger as a Celtic warrior. When Cassidy's penchant for edge, adult fare started manifesting itself, quite a few suits and fews were surprised. I think he's one of the best talents in the scifi/fantasy genre. Unfortunately, he likes to write densely layered plots that take time to develop, and don't really on a lot of quick killing and action, so networks rarely give his stuff more than one year. He ought to try his hand at more movies, or maybe people like him and Joss Whedon need to form an outfit to get their stuff produced on networks that might actually support them for a while. Fox and ABC don't have the staying power. - Original Message - From: Aubrey Leatherwood aubrey.leatherw...@hotmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 1:06:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon Hey Guys, American Gothic is on Chiller for the next few hours. I was very much into this series (but never into Twin Peaks oddly enough) and somewhat amazed that it made it past a pitch session onto TV even if it was cancelled after one season. Produced by our buddy Sam Raimi it featured a few actors (Gary Cole, Jake Weber, Sarah Paulson) who are pretty successful these days. Lucas Black hasn't quite lived up to his potential, but you had to love him as a kid with that heavy Southern accent. Did anyone else watch it? Aubrey Leatherwood CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR FAVORITE EROTICA AUTHOR 2009 www.aubreyleatherwood.com FaceBook * MySpace Dime Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now. _ Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/ now.
RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon
Ironically, FX sticks with stuff for a while From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:22 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon Yeah, Cassidy is really talented. He has a gift for working the suspenseful, spooky side of things. Do you recall the shocking murder in the first ep of American Gothic? You *never* see anything like that on American television! There were some genuinely creepy moments in Invasion as well. I really liked that show... It seems to be me that every couple of years there's a discussion about why Joss Whedon's work doesn't make it on network TV--aside from Buffy and Angel, that is. There's all the discussions about how Fox won't stay with a good show for too long (such as the great, lamented Tru Calling, a show I loved). I wonder if Whendon would do better on FX, USA, or even HBO/Showtime? Maybe good people like him and Cassidy should try that - Original Message - From: Aubrey Leatherwood aubrey.leatherw...@hotmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 1:38:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon Oh wow, I forgot all about Shaun Cassidy. I think your idea about him and Whedon are right on the mark! Aubrey Leatherwood http://www.aubreyleatherwood.com/ www.aubreyleatherwood.com http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1400087918 FaceBook * http://www.myspace.com/aubreymleatherwood MySpace Dime http://www.king-cart.com/Phaze/product=Dime/exact_match=exact Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? http://www.lyricalpress.com/imperfection.html Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. http://www.lyricalpress.com/the_people_you_know_the_sex_they_have.html The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 18:25:12 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon Loved it and watched it from day one. Gary Cole was great and menacing, and Lucas Black was quite a find. I agree with you he hasn't quite reached the potential he showed in American Gothic and Sling Blade. I was really excited to see where he'd go. He has such an intense personality. But alas, aside from Friday Night Lights, I can't remember him with major roles in any other work. He works all the time--Legion, Jarhead, Cold Mountain--just not as visibly as I'd hoped. And don't forget American Gothic is the brainchild of former Hardy Boys teen heart throb Saun Cassidy. Cassidy was also behind the short-lived series Invasion (a modern take on the Invasion of the Body Snatchers theme), and, he was one of the producer/writers for the short-lived series Roar, which starred Heath Ledger as a Celtic warrior. When Cassidy's penchant for edge, adult fare started manifesting itself, quite a few suits and fews were surprised. I think he's one of the best talents in the scifi/fantasy genre. Unfortunately, he likes to write densely layered plots that take time to develop, and don't really on a lot of quick killing and action, so networks rarely give his stuff more than one year. He ought to try his hand at more movies, or maybe people like him and Joss Whedon need to form an outfit to get their stuff produced on networks that might actually support them for a while. Fox and ABC don't have the staying power. - Original Message - From: Aubrey Leatherwood aubrey.leatherw...@hotmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 1:06:23 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon Hey Guys, American Gothic is on Chiller for the next few hours. I was very much into this series (but never into Twin Peaks oddly enough) and somewhat amazed that it made it past a pitch session onto TV even if it was cancelled after one season. Produced by our buddy Sam Raimi it featured a few actors (Gary Cole, Jake Weber, Sarah Paulson) who are pretty successful these days. Lucas Black hasn't quite lived up to his potential, but you had to love him as a kid with that heavy Southern accent. Did anyone else watch it? Aubrey Leatherwood CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR FAVORITE EROTICA AUTHOR 2009 www.aubreyleatherwood.com FaceBook * MySpace Dime Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free.
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I just got home and I am just seeing your messages, so please forgive me if you see messages that I repeat what you saidf. Great minds think alike. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Aubrey Leatherwood Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:31 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon I think HBO would be great for them. God save me from TruBlood (sorry fans). I did see the first episode of American Gothic and it was shocking. Just think about the premise in its entirety though, the central anti-character Buck is a supernatural, serial-killing, master manipulator, raping uh Sherriff who's pitted against his eight year old son conceived after he raped the boy's mother (who later commits suicide)... And his eight year old son spends a great deal of time speaking with his dead sister Merlyn who watched the aforementioned rape and went supernaturally batty. PLUS our devil Buck gets to hang out in the confession booth at church with the priest giving him the scoop on all the locals. And I think it was on CBS of all stations. Aubrey Leatherwood http://www.aubreyleatherwood.com/ www.aubreyleatherwood.com http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1400087918 FaceBook * http://www.myspace.com/aubreymleatherwood MySpace Dime http://www.king-cart.com/Phaze/product=Dime/exact_match=exact Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? http://www.lyricalpress.com/imperfection.html Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. http://www.lyr%0d%0a%20icalpress.com/the_people_you_know_the_sex_they_have. html The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 19:21:45 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon Yeah, Cassidy is really talented. He has a gift for working the suspenseful, spooky side of things. Do you recall the shocking murder in the first ep of American Gothic? You *never* see anything like that on American television! There were some genuinely creepy moments in Invasion as well. I really liked that show... It seems to be me that every couple of years there's a discussion about why Joss Whedon's work doesn't make it on network TV--aside from Buffy and Angel, that is. There's all the discussions about how Fox won't stay with a good show for too long (such as the great, lamented Tru Calling, a show I loved). I wonder if Whendon would do better on FX, USA, or even HBO/Showtime? Maybe good people like him and Cassidy should try that - Original Message - From: Aubrey Leatherwood aubrey.leatherw...@hotmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 1:38:35 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon Oh wow, I forgot all about Shaun Cassidy. I think your idea about him and Whedon are right on the mark! Aubrey Leatherwood http://www.aubreyleatherwood.com/ www.aubreyleatherwood.com http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1400087918 FaceBook * http://www.myspace.com/aubreymleatherwood MySpace Dime http://www.king-cart.com/Phaze/product=Dime/exact_match=exact Can Nicole resist the call of the stage or the call of her heart? http://www.lyricalpress.com/imperfection.html Imperfection A tale of perfect commitment, perfect love... and perfect sex. http://www.lyricalpress.com/the_people_you_know_the_sex_they_have.html The People You Know, The Sex They Have ROMANTIC TIMES NOMINEE FOR BEST CONTEMPORARY EROTICA 2008 CAPA and PSYCHE AWARD NOMINEE FOR 2009 ISBN: 978-0-9818905-0-0 _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: keithbjohn...@comcast.net Date: Sun, 7 Feb 2010 18:25:12 + Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] American Gothic Marathon Loved it and watched it from day one. Gary Cole was great and menacing, and Lucas Black was quite a find. I agree with you he hasn't quite reached the potential he showed in American Gothic and Sling Blade. I was really excited to see where he'd go. He has such an intense personality. But alas, aside from Friday Night Lights, I can't remember him with major roles in any other work. He works all the time--Legion, Jarhead, Cold Mountain--just not as visibly as I'd hoped. And don't forget American Gothic is the brainchild of former Hardy Boys teen heart throb Saun Cassidy. Cassidy was also behind the short-lived series Invasion (a modern take on the Invasion of the Body Snatchers theme), and, he was one of the producer/writers for the short-lived series Roar, which starred Heath Ledger as a Celtic warrior. When Cassidy's penchant for edge, adult fare started manifesting itself, qu ite a few suits and fews were surprised. I think he's one of the best talents in the scifi/fantasy genre. Unfortunately, he likes to
RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At?
I lot of writers used to be on the list way back when. Many of them do not related to TV and even film and told me they felt out of sorts. So I started a literature groups which did pretty well. When I got sick and suffered brain trauma I pretty much abandoned both the TV and film list and the literature list. This list thrived on its own. I tried to get a moderator for the other list , but he never did anything. Anyway we had one person on the list who was kind of in your face who chased a lot of people away. Then Charles Brandon Society started flourishing, so I did not see the need to compete. I am no longer active with Charles Brandon, but it seems to be a good place for writers, but not necessarily for ones that have a love of comic, TV and film From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adrianne Brennan Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 5:06 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I was on a panel at a scifi/fantasy con called Women in Science Fiction and as a panelist, this is pretty much what I concluded/begged/declared. Women and minorities both draw the short straw in scifi, and it drives me more than a bit batshit. It's also made me realize that I need to contribute more to the genre as a writer. I have seriously considered getting more writers onto this list in order to shame them into making their own writing more balanced also. I think people need to get over their fear of writing outside their experience when it comes to things such as women writing stories about gay men, Caucasians writing about Native Americans, African Americans, and any other race besides their own, et cetera. And believe me, I'm currently aiming to practice what I'm preaching. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:54 PM, C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com wrote: Not meaning to be harsh, guys, but like I siad when I first joined this group: If you want to see black folks in sci-fi and horror, write them! I've seen a lot of your work, guys, and from some of the intelligent threads I've been reading in the group, we have a lot of potential great storytellers...Before you ask, I have been published twice...and I suck, so you guys with the chops will make an impressive killing if you put your stuff in front of the right eyes...(Think Bill Duke!) Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 12:01 PM Ah, but that's my point: none of them had pivotal roles or were memorable. You had to refresh my memory that one of the 12 was black, and I do remember that one that escaped too. But again, no black men have had major roles in either series. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf HelloMahogany@ gmail.com To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 6:29:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? One of the 12 was black. He was an important character in the first 2 seasons, and the Plan. There was also a minor character that had been captured and escaped, but that didn't go anywhere. There were also several that were pilots on the transports. Also there were a couple on the other battlestar. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Keith Johnson KeithBJohnson@ comcast.net http://us.mc594.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Something odd strikes me about the BSG/Caprica worlds: no black men in significant positions. I missed the last couple years of BSG, but I remember noting the curious lack of black men in anything but background roles. I think there was one reporter on that ship were political events were held, but he wasn't even the main reporter. I see them in the background on the ship, but no high level officers, now that Boomer and Tigh from the original series were replaced by an Asian lady and a white man, respectively. Hell: I don't even remember any of the fighter pilots being black. Where I *did* see black man on BSG? On the ep dealing with the prison ship, the place was lousy with black men: big, black, bald black men. I also note a lot of brothers functioning as scowling muscle. When Admiral Cain (michelle Forbes) came to Galactica, her high level staff was all white men. But the bodyguards? All big, very
RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At?
I know Moore set trends with Sisco on DS9 with regards to Blacks men having power on TV, but I’ve begun to think that was a fluke resulting from him inheriting Sisco.I think he has some issues with us, but believes himself to be enlightened in this regard. The only evidence to the contrary other then Sisco, which I admit is substantial, is the Joe Morton episode of BSG From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 8:17 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? that's what I thought. It really, really bothered me on the prison ship, where the place was lousy with big, bald, black men. And then, Admiral Cain's guards all being black and scowling--made me quite angry. On Caprica, Greystone told his black bodyguard/driver to go get the car when his wife started nutting up at the memorial service. I thought Great, first black man on Caprica I've seen not in the background, and he's the damn chaffeur! - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 6:34:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? The one was little more than an extra. Unlike every other cylon, he had no storylines devoted to his character and in at least two episodes that he appeared in, he did not even have lines From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:02 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? Ah, but that's my point: none of them had pivotal roles or were memorable. You had to refresh my memory that one of the 12 was black, and I do remember that one that escaped too. But again, no black men have had major roles in either series. - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 6:29:50 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? One of the 12 was black. He was an important character in the first 2 seasons, and the Plan. There was also a minor character that had been captured and escaped, but that didn't go anywhere. There were also several that were pilots on the transports. Also there were a couple on the other battlestar. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:53 AM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: Something odd strikes me about the BSG/Caprica worlds: no black men in significant positions. I missed the last couple years of BSG, but I remember noting the curious lack of black men in anything but background roles. I think there was one reporter on that ship were political events were held, but he wasn't even the main reporter. I see them in the background on the ship, but no high level officers, now that Boomer and Tigh from the original series were replaced by an Asian lady and a white man, respectively. Hell: I don't even remember any of the fighter pilots being black. Where I *did* see black man on BSG? On the ep dealing with the prison ship, the place was lousy with black men: big, black, bald black men. I also note a lot of brothers functioning as scowling muscle. When Admiral Cain (michelle Forbes) came to Galactica, her high level staff was all white men. But the bodyguards? All big, very black, very bald, scowling black men. Left a bad taste in my mouth, and frankly one reason i lost some interest in the show. Did it get better? Now on Caprica I'm seeing the same thing. Sure, I see black men in the background: in the street traffic, maybe a reporter in the background shouting questions. Back again, I see no high level scientists, politicians, police, or military men who are black. The one black I can remember in anything approaching a recurring role? The big, black, bald, scowling brother who functions as the bodyguard/drive for the Greystones. What's the deal? This reminds me of the old days when we were in the background but little else. I'd ask if it's because of the shooting locale, but if they can find brothers to walk up and down the street, surely they could put some in important roles. It's cool and all they have a Latino in a role that may or may not be Latino, but my brothers are all but absent... -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
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We used to have lit discussions, It was about ½ lit, maybe a little less, but if you do not watch TV or go to the movies much, so much on a subject that you cannot relate to might be alienating, even if there is content that speaks to you. This is the feedback that I got when people unsubscribed. So, I set up the literature group, and for about five years that did the trick. The feedback was great. We had few unsubscribes and the list got pretty big. Then I got sick, and stopped moderating and a few people went nuts. At the same time, the Carl Brandon group came into being and a lot of people who got sick of being attacked went there. I went there too as I started to get better. I do not seek to compete, so I even refer people to it. That being said I think it would be good for us to start discussing literature again. While I do not have the heart to delete the other group, the other group is essentially dead. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 10:38 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? Maybe we need to start adding some more lit discussions here? If nothing else, some of us who write can start talking more, even if it's offline... - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 8:15:05 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I lot of writers used to be on the list way back when. Many of them do not related to TV and even film and told me they felt out of sorts. So I started a literature groups which did pretty well. When I got sick and suffered brain trauma I pretty much abandoned both the TV and film list and the literature list. This list thrived on its own. I tried to get a moderator for the other list , but he never did anything. Anyway we had one person on the list who was kind of in your face who chased a lot of people away. Then Charles Brandon Society started flourishing, so I did not see the need to compete. I am no longer active with Charles Brandon, but it seems to be a good place for writers, but not necessarily for ones that have a love of comic, TV and film From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Adrianne Brennan Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 5:06 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I was on a panel at a scifi/fantasy con called Women in Science Fiction and as a panelist, this is pretty much what I concluded/begged/declared. Women and minorities both draw the short straw in scifi, and it drives me more than a bit batshit. It's also made me realize that I need to contribute more to the genre as a writer. I have seriously considered getting more writers onto this list in order to shame them into making their own writing more balanced also. I think people need to get over their fear of writing outside their experience when it comes to things such as women writing stories about gay men, Caucasians writing about Native Americans, African Americans, and any other race besides their own, et cetera. And believe me, I'm currently aiming to practice what I'm preaching. ~ Where love and magic meet ~ http://www.adriannebrennan.com Experience the magic of the Dark Moon series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#darkmoon Dare to take The Oath in this erotic fantasy series: http://www.adriannebrennan.com/books.html#the_oath The future of psychic sex - Dawn of the Seraphs (m/m): http://www.adriannebrennan.com/dawnoftheseraphs.html On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:54 PM, C.W. Badie astromancer2...@yahoo.com wrote: Not meaning to be harsh, guys, but like I siad when I first joined this group: If you want to see black folks in sci-fi and horror, write them! I've seen a lot of your work, guys, and from some of the intelligent threads I've been reading in the group, we have a lot of potential great storytellers...Before you ask, I have been published twice...and I suck, so you guys with the chops will make an impressive killing if you put your stuff in front of the right eyes...(Think Bill Duke!) Such music flows on the Fringe, and no one can resist singing to Scarlet From THE SIDE STREET CHRONICLES by C.W. Badie --- On Sun, 2/7/10, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: From: Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, February 7, 2010, 12:01 PM Ah, but that's my point: none of them had pivotal roles or were memorable. You had to refresh my memory that one of the 12 was black, and I do remember that one that escaped too. But again, no black men have had major roles
RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At?
WARNING SPOILERS BELOW I remember two black women. Duella and the religious woman. The religious woman was killed off before anything could be done with her character. Duella’s character always bothered me. Most times, she seemed like a filler character and was occasionally used to move the story along for other characters. Also she has what I used to call the “Claudia and Brian syndrome”. Waaay back in the day, I used to watch General Hospital and they had this Black couple that they showcased as proof of diversity. We heard about their problems and issues like other characters, but unlike other characters, we were never exposed to the gory details or their stories. They were always coming and going. Duella had a relationship with the guy that worked for the president, but we never got any info on it until they decided to kill him off. She was also used to create tension between Apollo and Starbuck, but we never got to see how she became a devoted wife to Lee. She was not even dating him. We saw them divorce and she was gone. Very little exploration of their relationship. She was supposed to be close to Adama like the Asian girl, but unlike the Asian girl, we were never able to really see how they were close. We saw her be supposedly mellow and off herself, with one wrinkled brow provided as a clue to how she was really upset. We were able it be exposed to the nuances of the characters of other people of color on the show. Tori, the guy who lost his leg, but not Duella. The only time I saw otherwise was when they were doing an episode on planet-based bias, ironically. But in my view, it was done to help Bruce Davidson storyline. The man does not have a problem with people of color in general, but he does with Blacks, in my view. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 11:07 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I was thinking the same thing a bit ago, Tracey, while making myself a milk shake (hey, it's my alcohol! Sugar free, of course!) I kept wondering how BSG/Caprica can be so devoid of important black men when Moore and crew crafted such a strong one in Sisko. I too wondered, did he simply inherit Sisko and worked with the character to make him good? As such, he could be an example of that most problematic of people: someone who doesn't see color (or thinks he doesn't), and who doesn't like to make what he thinks are some kind of quota/affirmative action based decisions. And thus, being what they think is colorblind, they continue to populate their worlds with people who look like them, and never realize how others are being overlooked. How do you think he's done with black women on BSG/Caprica? I can only recall the black religious leader who guided the President in BSG for a while (died in a bobby trap?), and the sister who worked in CNC on Galactica. She was okay, but I was miffed with her rather slight character, and of course, not brothers for her to date, even though they were always lurking in the background. BSG/Caprica has put Latinoes and Asians in prominent roles--perhaps, are blacks just being left out 'cause there's only so much room at that table, and the seats have been taken? - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 11:58:54 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? I know Moore set trends with Sisco on DS9 with regards to Blacks men having power on TV, but I’ve begun to think that was a fluke resulting from him inheriting Sisco.I think he has some issues with us, but believes himself to be enlightened in this regard. The only evidence to the contrary other then Sisco, which I admit is substantial, is the Joe Morton episode of BSG From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, February 07, 2010 8:17 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers At? that's what I thought. It really, really bothered me on the prison ship, where the place was lousy with big, bald, black men. And then, Admiral Cain's guards all being black and scowling--made me quite angry. On Caprica, Greystone told his black bodyguard/driver to go get the car when his wife started nutting up at the memorial service. I thought Great, first black man on Caprica I've seen not in the background, and he's the damn chaffeur! - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Sunday, February 7, 2010 6:34:20 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Caprica/BSG -- Where the Brothers
[scifinoir2] Dollhouse Started With Desire, But Ended With Paranoia
Dollhouse http://io9.com/5460980/dollhouse-started-with-desire-but-ended-with-paranoi a Started With Desire, But Ended With Paranoia It's been a week since Joss Whedon http://io9.com/tag/josswhedon/ 's Dollhouse closed up its rent-a-slave operation, and we're still grieving, for the stories that will never be told now. Dollhouse kept exceeding its limitations - but never reached its potential. Spoilers rising... There are really two kinds of television shows: the ones canceled too soon, and the ones that drag on past their best-by date. Very, very few TV shows end at the right time. Even though Dollhouse got enough advance warning that it was able to cobble together a definite conclusion, we still feel as though it belongs in the same category as Firefly, Terminator: SCC and many other shows. Dollhouse started out as the most conceptually ambitious thing Joss Whedon's ever done - but forcing that concept into the box of a weekly TV show was a process akin to chainsaw bonsai. Whedon was clear, from before the show launched, that this was fundamentally a show about a woman who had been robbed of her identity and dehumanized. The overall arc of Dollhouse was going to be about the mind-wiped Echo fighting to regain her stolen sense of selfhood. And yet, the needs of having a weekly happy ending meant we had to root for the clients who hired Echo's prostituted shell every week. Or as the sardonic Boyd put it, We're pimps and killers, but in a philanthropic way. At its best, the show had fun with this dichotomy, but it was often a bit of a stretch. Almost every television show nowadays has the conflict between stand-alone and arc episodes, and every show has to find its own answer to that dilemma, with wildly varying degrees of success. With Dollhouse, you ended up with a situation where the stand-alone episodes were all about desire and longing - mostly the clients' - and the arc was all about paranoia and existential dread. So the now-traditional arc-vs-stand-alone tension became a tension between desire and fear. And as the show becomes more serialized during its run, you see a slow shift from desire to fear. (I was somewhat optimistic about the replacement of the original, more thriller-y pilot with the hostage negotiator episode, and the five pilots that followed, but in retrospect it would have been way better if Fox had just let Whedon launch the show with something that explored the negative implications of the premise more fully.) To be sure, there was something haphazard about Dollhouse's arc - Whedon was planting the seeds for Epitaph One's apocalypse as early as episode six, Man In The Street, but I'm sure we would have gotten there much more slowly, and maybe in a different form if the show hadn't been facing imminent cancellation. But at the same time, my sense is that this slow burn, from exploring the complexities of human need to delving into the paranoia of corporate mindfuckery, was always going to be part of the show. If the show had lasted six seasons, we would have taken the journey in a different way, and some of the plot points might have felt a bit more elegant, but this was probably always the shape. We start out delving into the ramifications of people who want what they can't really have - because why else do you hire a pre-programmed human automaton? - and over time, the show shifts into showing that the real ramifications of our desires is that we all become the slaves of a corporation that wants to own our minds. In a sense, Dollhouse was the story of how wanting what you can't have inevitably turns you into the property of companies that will take away everything you do have. I'm pretty sure everybody reading this has had the experience of lust, or longing, turning into dread and remorse. It's one of the most quintessentially human experiences, and Dollhouse, taken as a whole, captures it in an amazing way. Dollhouse was already a complex and challenging show before we ever saw Epitaph One - we'd already seen how Sierra was turned into a Doll because she said no to the wrong rich guy, for example - but now it's inevitably going to be viewed as a show about the apocalypse. Almost every interesting genre TV show nowadays winds up being about the apocalypse, one way or the other - look at BSG, Terminator: SCC and Jericho, and I'm willing to bet Fringe's pandimensional war will look more apocalyptic at some point - but Dollhouse was the first show where Fantasy Island basically destroyed the entire human race. More importantly, evil robots didn't destroy the world, we did. Even though Dollhouse gives us a convenient scapegoat in the thoroughly evil Rossum Corp., it's still clear that it took a village to raise Hell on Earth. Every orgasm, every catharsis, that Echo dished out brought us closer to turning everybody into dumb shows and butchers, because the Dollhouse was perfecting the tech in the field, and Topher was gaining more understanding of how to turn everyone's
[scifinoir2] Last Airbender Test Screening Reviews
M. Night had a test screening of THE LAST AIRBENDER in Phoenix, AZ tonight - here's 2 different views... Hey folks, Harry here http://www.twitter.com/headgeek666 - and it looks like last night in Phoenix they had a test screening of THE LAST AIRBENDER - and so far we have two wildly divergent reviews. One that seems to equate the film to the NARNIA films and the other... well, you'll have to read for yourself. The first review loves the kid playing the titular character, the other... not even close. However, this must be said... this isn't coming out till July 2nd, and at this point the film could change quite a bit. But if you want to know the state of THE LAST AIRBENDER as of 2.3.10... well look no further. Here it is... Hey guys, So I just watched The Last Airbender here in Phoenix, AZ! I thought I'd write a little something up for you guys to put on your site. First off, I'll state right from the start that I've never seen the TV show that this is based on, though I had heard of it so had an idea as to what to expect. I'll also state that the movie is still REALLY rough. A lot of effects to finish, scenes to massage, and possibly (hopefully in a few cases) even scenes to reshoot. They've got some time, though. (At least the music sounded like a great James Newton Howard original, unlike other test screenings I've seen where it's all music from previous movies.) Because it's so rough, I don't think it's too fair of me to comment on my overall opinion of particular problems I had with the movie as most of them will undoubtedly be fixed by the time it's released. At least I hope so. I will comment on a few specifics, though. I'm assuming that the story is similar to that of the TV show so I won't go into it, but it's very clear - and was made even more clear by the guy speaking before the movie started - that this is the first of a trilogy. (Let's hope it fares better than The Golden Compass so they actually get to make the other two.) This movie deals with Aang, the Avatar, learning to master water and stopping the firebenders from taking over everything. Aang is played by Noah Ringer who absolutely looks great in this role. For a kid carrying the film as the titular character, he does a great job for the most part. I'm convinced that with a few roughly edited and performed scenes fixed by the time it's released, he'll prove he's worth his salt. It looks like this is his first movie too, so I'm even more impressed. Shaun Toub plays Uncle Iroh and is totally one of THOSE guys who is in a million things but I never knew his name. Anyway, by far he is the BEST thing about the movie. Great character, great performance. And Dev Patel was also good as the cast out son of the fire lord. A lot of the others were neither here nor there for me, but I had a really hard time watching Jackson Rathbone, who plays Sokka. Talk about overacting. Not a fan of him in this film. Ugh. Here's hoping they find a way to smooth his performance out, or at least downplay him a bit. (Then I have to keep telling myself that maybe he was cast to draw the tween and teen girls who love him in Twilight. Who knows.) The action scenes work pretty well, but only one really stood out for me at this time, which takes place in an ancient airbender temple and had some nice set pieces. Plus it was fun to watch Noah Ringer's double (a woman with a shaved head) performing the fight scenes - they hadn't gotten around to doing a face replacement yet. The climactic end sequence was hard to judge because some was just so rough. Still, Aang managed to pull off some great work in this scene and when finished, I think it'll be a great sequence with a definite Part I ending. Overall, I think they have a fun-to-watch summer movie here. I'd put it more on the Narnia level rather than the Lord of the Rings level, but still it has a nice feel to it and unlike most of the other test screenings I've been to, I'm actually really looking forward to watching this one again when released to see how it looks in the end, and hoping I am not as bothered by Rathbone then. I'm hoping it'll help Shyamalan get out of his rut, because I haven't liked anything he's done in quite a while (though I'm convinced that if he made Lady in the Water a children's fantasy with the characters all kids, it would've worked and been accepted). Anyway, there's my two cents. The Movie Monkey Then there's this very negative take on the film... Harry, Longtime reader of your site (since 98 or so) and I wanted to contribute what I experienced at my very first test screening. I saw a test screening of The Last Airbender tonight at a theater in Glendale, Arizona. They said we were the 1st audience to see this, and based on what I saw, I hope it was the last audience because the movie was pretty horrible. I saw an extremely rough cut of the film (missing special effects and I assume music) but I seriously doubt they can go back and fix the acting. Whoever cast this film
RE: [scifinoir2] Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release
I do not think you were doubting him. My husband is not an insider. He has just taken consulting gigs there for the past 15 years, while it provides him with insight, believe me he would be the first to admit he does not know about much that goes on there. The reason that I want to ask his friend, is because if 8 is coming out soon, than that might indicate a problem. I would like to know before I upgrade all our computers to 7 From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 2:16 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release Not doubting him or you at all, Tracey. Sorry if it seemed that way. My only exposure to M$-based product is what I fall across in sites and such. I've stripped my system of everything M$-based that I could and maintain functionality. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:38:44 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release My husband says it is not true. He plays music with some guy who is way up the food chain. I'm going to ask him From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:19 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release Didn't Windows 7 just roll out the door? Why would there be such a rush to push the next version out, even with competition being what it is? _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ now. _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469226/direct/01/ now.
[scifinoir2] White House Shoots Down Regular Question Time Forums
Despite the widespread popularity of President Obama's question-and-answer forums and the apparent boost they've given to his agenda, the White House shot down a proposal on Wednesday to make such open forums a regular feature. Deputy Press Secretary Bill Burton relayed the news during Wednesday's briefing, calling the idea of standardizing question time good in concept but impractical in practice. David Axelrod has talked about this a little, Burton said. And what he had to say is: part of the reason Friday was so successful with the GOP conference was the spontaneity that occurred there. And it is going to be hard to recreate the spontaneity that happened. Burton added that the president thinks that there is space for more open dialogue, and he is going to look for more opportunities to do things on camera and have open discussions on important issues. But it was clear that the administration is not willing to incorporate a British-parliament-style QA session into American governance. An interesting question for constitutional scholars is whether Congress has the power to make this happen on its own. Meanwhile, the last time the president held an open news conference with reporters was back in late July http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/obama-should-hold-press-c_b_445 137.html . The push was on the White House to commit to such forums on a regular basis after the largely positive reception to Obama's appearance before a gathering of House Republicans on Friday. A diverse coalition http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/02/more-question-time-please of political strategists, bloggers and officials released a petition on Wednesday morning titled http://demandquestiontime.com/ Demand Question Time. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/03/white-house-shoots-down-r_n_448022. html
RE: [scifinoir2] White House Shoots Down Regular Question Time Forums
I think they probably opted not to do it because pollster Frank Lutz and other right wing operators will figure out a way to get their message through. It worked because they underestimated him and did not expect him to be prepared. Also I think sometimes they believe their out messaging and they forgot that the man is smart. They allowed their own bias forget that a black man can be smart. I do not believe they will allow that to happen again. From a democratic strategists perspective, perhaps it is best to seek out a variety of venues and constantly change things up as a way to force the republicans to constantly have to adapt. Democrats have never done that before. I'm not saying that is the plan, but it is kind of what they were hinting at. I hope democrats figure something out From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 12:28 PM To: SciFiNoir2; dar...@darylelockhart.com; afrikanm...@hotmail.com; cbilmarket...@yahoo.com; bettil...@msn.com; cinque3...@verizon.net; dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net; duva...@hotmail.com; fis...@bellsouth.net; gwashin...@aol.com; jeffreypbal...@gmail.com; killa...@gmail.com; kalpub...@aol.com; keithbjohn...@comcast.net; imke...@gmail.com; seriousnup...@yahoo.com; logic1...@aol.com; truthseeker...@icqmail.com; mmb1...@gmail.com; gord...@indiana.edu; michael.v.w.gor...@gmail.com; rave; rs...@yahoo.com; everything...@nyc.rr.com; valeryjea...@yahoo.com; wendellsmit...@gmail.com; sonofafieldne...@sbcglobal.net; williamsf...@speakeasy.net; beta...@yahoo.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] White House Shoots Down Regular Question Time Forums I have to agree with that. It's a wonderful idea, but we don't run our Guv'mint in the same fashion as Great Britain. Just not enough time to gather all the parties needed. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: dar...@darylelockhart.com; afrikanm...@hotmail.com; cbilmarket...@yahoo.com; bettil...@msn.com; cinque3...@verizon.net; dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net; duva...@hotmail.com; fis...@bellsouth.net; gwashin...@aol.com; jeffreypbal...@gmail.com; killa...@gmail.com; kalpub...@aol.com; keithbjohn...@comcast.net; imke...@gmail.com; seriousnup...@yahoo.com; logic1...@aol.com; truthseeker...@icqmail.com; mmb1...@gmail.com; gord...@indiana.edu; michael.v.w.gor...@gmail.com; ravena...@yahoo.com; rs...@yahoo.com; everything...@nyc.rr.com; valeryjea n...@yahoo.com; wendellsmit...@gmail.com; sonofafieldne...@sbcglobal.net; williamsf...@speakeasy.net; beta...@yahoo.com CC: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 00:13:04 -0800 Subject: [scifinoir2] White House Shoots Down Regular Question Time Forums Despite the widespread popularity of President Obama's question-and-answer forums and the apparent boost they've given to his agenda, the White House shot down a proposal on Wednesday to make such open forums a regular feature. Deputy Press Secretary Bill Burton relayed the news during Wednesday's briefing, calling the idea of standardizing question time good in concept but impractical in practice. David Axelrod has talked about this a little, Burton said. And what he had to say is: part of the reason Friday was so successful with the GOP conference was the spontaneity that occurred there. And it is going to be hard to recreate the spontaneity that happened. Burton added that the president thinks that there is space for more open dialogue, and he is going to look for more opportunities to do things on camera and have open discussions on important issues. But it was clear that the administration is not willing to incorporate a British-parliament-style QA session into American governance. An interesting question for constitutional scholars is whether Congress has the power to make this happen on its own. Meanwhile, the last time the president held an open news conference with reporters was back http://www.huffingtonpost.com/chris-weigant/obama-should-hold-press-c_b_445 137.html in late July. The push was on the White House to commit to such forums on a regular basis after the largely positive reception to Obama's appearance before a gathering of House Republicans on Friday. A http://motherjones.com/politics/2010/02/more-question-time-please diverse coalition of political strategists, bloggers and officials released a petition on Wednesday morning titled http://demandquestiontime.com/ Demand Question Time. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/02/03/white-house-shoots-down-r_n_448022. html _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469230/direct/01/ now.
[scifinoir2] Syfy Picks Up Merlin, but Can't Dr Who?
The BBC series didn’t exactly bring “magical” http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/merlin-keep-cancel/ ratings to NBC during its short run last summer but Merlin’s second season will still be seen here in the states. Merlin http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/tag/merlin/ follows the life of the legendary wizard in early adulthood, living in the court of King Uther, Arthur’s father. The series stars Colin Morgan as Merlin, Bradley James as Prince Arthur, Anthony Head http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/merlin-cancelled-season-two-coming/ http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif as King Uther, Katie McGrath as Morgana, Angel Coulby as Gwen, Richard Wilson as Gaius, and John Hurt as the voice of the Great Dragon. A production of BBC One, Merlin has been a big enough success in the UK to be renewed for seasons two http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/merlin-season-two/ and three http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/merlin-season-three/ . NBC picked up the supernatural show and decided to run the first season during the summer of 2009. The ratings weren’t very good and the network has been mum on any plans to bring it back. Now, there’s word that Merlin is indeed coming back to the US — but not on NBC. Word is that Syfy http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/merlin-cancelled-season-two-coming/ http://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/2_bing.gif (also owned by NBC Universal) will begin airing season two of Merlin on Friday, April 2nd; paired with the returning Stargate http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/tag/stargate-universe/ Universe. If you need a refresher on season one, Syfy will be airing the episodes during an all-day marathon on March 28th. You can also purchase the official http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001LF347E?ie=UTF8tag=tck-20link_code=as3camp=211189creative=373489creativeASIN=B001LF347E DVD releasehttp://www.assoc-amazon.com/e/ir?t=tck-20l=as2o=1a=B001LF347E but that won’t hit stores until April 20th. It’s a five-disc set and will contain all 13 episodes as well as two hours of extras that will include video http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/merlin-cancelled-season-two-coming/ diaries and a featurette. http://tvseriesfinale.com/tv-show/merlin-cancelled-season-two-coming/ image001.gifimage002.gif
[scifinoir2] White House won't fund NASA moon program
President Obama's budget proposal includes no money for the Ares 1 rocket or Constellation program, sources say. Instead, NASA would be asked to monitor climate change and develop a new rocket. Budget plan calls for boosting NASA budget, creating private space shuttle service Computerworld - Reports surfacing this week say that the White House plans to put a stop to NASA's plans to return to the moon. The Orlando Sentinel, quoting an unnamed White House source, reported yesterday that President Barack Obama is looking http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/space/sns-ap-us-sci-nasa-future,0,29414 10.story to push the space agency in a new direction. David Steitz, a spokeperson at NASA Headquarters in Washington D.C., said he wouldn't comment on such reports until the White House budget proposal is announced. The plan is expected to be released on Monday. NASA http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9128680/NASA_Lawn_mower_size_robots_ may_build_lunar_outpost has been looking to not only return astronauts to the moon, but also to build a lunar outpost there by 2020. The NASA plan includes first sending next-generation http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9120019/NASA_Future_space_missions_t o_rely_on_human_robot_partnership robots and machines to the moon to create a landing area for spacecraft, and a base where humans can live. NASA scientists have been preparing what the agency calls the Constellation moon landing plan, which was set forth by former President George W. Bush. In June, NASA http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9134565/NASA_Two_lunar_satellites_la unched_to_start_new_moon_mission launched two lunar satellites as the opening act in the long-term mission to send humans back to the moon. The satellites -- the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter and the Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite - were designed to provide them with new information http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9130378/NASA_pics_of_Mars_moon_going _on_Microsoft_s_virtual_telescope about the moon. In an October NASA http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9139184/NASA_probe_crashes_into_moon _in_hunt_for_water mission, the Lunar Crater Observation and Sensing Satellite, known as LCROSS, slammed into the moon in an attempt to kick up what scientists believe is water ice hiding in the bottom of a permanently dark crater. Scientists have been hoping that if a human outpost is created on the moon, people there could have access to water there instead of having to haul it up from Earth. Plans to return to the moon have been in question since the Obama administration last May called for an independent review http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9132692/Obama_orders_review_of_NASA_ return_to_the_moon of NASA's human space flight activities. The Orlando Sentinel also reported yesterday that the White House budget plan appears to boost NASA's budget by some $5.9 billion over the next five years. Some of that money, according to the report, would be to keep the International Space Station running. The rest would go to set up contracts with private companies to act as a sort of shuttle service, taking astronauts back and forth from the space station after NASA's space shuttle fleet is retired. Sharon Gaudin covers the Internet and Web 2.0, emerging technologies, and desktop and laptop chips for Computerworld. Follow Sharon on Twitter at http://twitter.com/sgaudin twit...@sgaudin, send e-mail to sgau...@computerworld.com or subscribe to Sharon's RSS http://www.computerworld.com/s/feed/keyword/Sharon+Gaudin feed Gaudin RSS. Read more about development http://www.computerworld.com/s/topic/11/Development/1 in Computerworld's Development Knowledge Center. http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9150040/White_House_killing_NASA_s_mo on_mission_reports_say image001.jpgimage002.jpg
RE: [scifinoir2] The movie Meteor Storm
The Golden Gate bridge was almost empty and the sister was complaining about traffic. That was really bad. I got that about the guy on the motorcycle, but I still do not think that would be the primary way to get to people quickly. It’s like they were never really trying. What is upsetting me is that they are now using actors, who are not necessarily on their way out and this is their last stop. They are now using actors who work for this trash From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 11:01 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] The movie Meteor Storm The guy on the motorcycle worked for emergency services but was ex-military. he was husband to the scientist that was studying the meteors. The science behind the movie was hilarious. Element 121! They also did some night time shots at Pier 39 in San Francisco with people walking in the background and in a building that was a movie prop location that was used in Dirty Harry. (That was an actual quote from the script!) Majority of the scenes were shot on Sunday mornings. You can tell by the absolute lack of traffic. If they wanted realism of people evacuating the city, all they had to do was shoot during rush hour. On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:44 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: A set for the place they are headquarter in, a motorcycle, street scenes, a parked helicopter and permission to shoot around Alcatraz… yup really cheap I do not usually watch scifi channel movies, but for some reason I decided to try this one out. I did not do so well.I kept changing stations. One thing I noticed is how they kept driving places, sometimes on motorcycles to rescue people who were aware that the sky was falling. I’m scratching my head… Perhaps I misinterpreted this. Either way, I assume that based on the volume of production, these low budget is a successful, but I can’t imagine who would bother to watch. There not FX, not sex, little fight scenes… What gives? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:59 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] The movie Meteor Storm Tonight I watched the movie Meteor storm tonight. This movie was about a freak meteor shower that turned out to be a the beginnings of a large asteroid that is aimed at San Francisco. Several land marks were destroyed including Alcatraz. The effects in the movie weren't the best, but it was kind of fun to watch anyway. One thing that was hilarious in the movie was whoever wrote the movie had a serious problem with cellphones in San Francisco. A definite reoccurring theme. You gotta love that. I think that I am learning something from these bad movies. How to shoot something really cheaply. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
RE: [scifinoir2] The movie Meteor Storm
I saw one the other week. It was not great, but the acting was okay and the script was passable. Even reviewers said it was surprisingly good for scifi Android Apocalypse It was not good, but it was not intolerably bad. So on a sliding scale, it was not bad. But again, extremely cheap From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 11:32 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] The movie Meteor Storm But why would a meteorite already underwater tuned birds in to rocks in the upper atmosphere? dude what a funny movie! Of course, i'd like to get a SyFy Original that's *good*, not camp! - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 2:28:10 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] The movie Meteor Storm Yea I laughed at that too. Their explanation was that there was already a meteorite at the bottom of the bay. So the birds may have that ability from back then. The worst scene was the bridge scene. The bridge was completely empty but for drama they added in traffic. Not only that but the people in the traffic ran back across the bridge (same thing in the xmen2 movie) toward San Francisco when they were more than 3/4 of the way across! Hilarious! On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Keith Johnson keithbjohn...@comcast.net wrote: I caught its re-airing at 1 am, and laughed at it, it was so bad. For starters, did you see the dopey kid say Look at the birds? They then show a shot of birds fleeing the area. Look, I know animals have senses about things such as impending storms and maybe even earthquakes, but meteorites? How the hell could birds have sensed meteorites that were still in space at the time?! Did you recognize the blonde lady playing the main scientist? That's actress Kari Matchett, who played actor Eddie Cibrian's ex-wife on the short-lived scifi series Invasion. She also plays actor Timothy Hutton's ex-wife on the series Leverage. Can figure out what it is about her. I'm not at all into slim blondes, but she has a cuteness factor for some reason. Maybe it's the dimples when she smiles? - Original Message - From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, February 1, 2010 12:58:45 AM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [scifinoir2] The movie Meteor Storm Tonight I watched the movie Meteor storm tonight. This movie was about a freak meteor shower that turned out to be a the beginnings of a large asteroid that is aimed at San Francisco. Several land marks were destroyed including Alcatraz. The effects in the movie weren't the best, but it was kind of fun to watch anyway. One thing that was hilarious in the movie was whoever wrote the movie had a serious problem with cellphones in San Francisco. A definite reoccurring theme. You gotta love that. I think that I am learning something from these bad movies. How to shoot something really cheaply. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/ -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] 'Desperate Housewives' snags Torchwood's John Barrowman
Desperate Housewives' snags John Barrowman - http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/01/29/desperate-housewives-snags-john-barro wman/ Desperate Housewives boss Marc Cherry has accomplished his mission to bring Captain Jack to Wisteria Lane! A Housewives insider confirms that Torchwood's John Barrowman is joining the ABC soap later this season for a minimum of five episodes. The actor will play the Big Bad at the center of the Angie (Drea de Matteo) mystery. Last summer, Cherry - a big Torchwood fan - met with Barrowman to discuss the possibility of him visiting Wisteria Lane at some point. It was just a matter of finding the right role. Barrowman's arc will kick off in early April and span the final five episodes of the season.
[scifinoir2] Behind the Adobe-Apple cold war
by Michael V. Copeland, Senior http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/author/michaelcopeland/ Writer January 29, 2010 2:51 PM If you were watching Steve http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2010/01/27/video-steve-jobs-pre sents-apples-ipad/ Jobs' iPad demo closely Wednesday, you would have seen it briefly as he showed off the device's Web-surfing chops: the blue Lego of death. For everyone who has tried to play http://brainstormtech.blogs.fortune.cnn.com/2009/12/02/zynga-suddenly-is-ev erywhere-what-gives/ Farmville on an iPhone, or watch Hulu on an iPod Touch, the little blue icon is already familiar. It signifies that Adobe's Flash plug-in is not on the device, and that no matter how many times you try to load that game or video it just ain't going to work. For those who live their life on the Web, Apple's seemingly resolute refusal to put Flash on its mobile devices (it works just fine on Apple's notebook and desktop computers) is a bit of mystery. Flash has become ubiquitous on the Internet, providing the software environment for tens of thousands of online games, and millions of video streams, as well as those annoying animations that ask if you would like to skip intro. Rumors crop up every time the iPhone gets a refresh that Flash is coming, and then, like some awkward kid passed up at the school dance by the most sparkling student on the planet, Adobe's Flash gets left out. As with all things Apple (AAPL http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=AAPL ), no real explanation has been made by Jobs or his team as to why they prefer to give Flash the brushoff. We have regular conversations with Apple, says Adrian Ludwig, Adobe's group product marketing manager Flash platform. That specific question has never been answered. But of course, this being an Apple-obsessed world, there are numerous theories as to why Apple keeps snubbing Adobe's Flash platform. The common theme in all of them: control. By letting Flash onto its devices, Apple cedes some aspect of control, and in the company that Jobs has built magnificently as control freak in chief, that apparently, does not fly. For Adobe (ADBE http://money.cnn.com/quote/quote.html?symb=ADBE ), here are the hurdles the company faces in getting its all-important technology onto the most talked about devices: Flash hasn't kept up with the times The technology was developed originally as a so-called runtime environment in the PC world, and that means it grew up running on Intel's X86 chip architecture. Why that is important in today's mobile world is that most mobile gadgets, including the iPhone and presumably the iPad, use a different chip architecture: ARM. And current versions of Flash have problems running on ARM. It's a question of balancing power management, performance and memory allocation, says a mobile developer very familiar with the issue. Flash is a drain Flash looks pretty, but, largely because it's not native to ARM, the technology demands an outsize chunk of the semiconductor's cycles. That means that running Flash on a mobile device can affect how long the battery lasts, whether the video is more like a slide show than a movie, and whether anything else can be happening in the background while you play a game. Jobs isn't about to let some other company's technology take the iPad's claimed 10-hour battery life down to five. And if the device sputters every time it shows a moving image, Apple's user experience - for which Apple can charge more than its competitors - gets put at risk. Adobe's Ludwig denies these are insurmountable technical problems, and he may have something there. Flash challenges Apple's business model Apple makes devices that consumers drool over - but they also have figured out how to get into people's pocketbooks in a way that businesses drool over. Apple's iPhone App store, and the iTunes store have been incredible http://money.cnn.com/2010/01/05/technology/apple_app_store/index.htm successes (and Apple is counting on the same riches to come with the planned iBook store). If Flash were allowed on the iPhone or the iPad, software developers would have free rein to sell apps directly to consumers, bypassing Apple's shops and Apple's cut of the sale. If Flash were on the iPhone, you could watch Hulu and play games on Mini-Clip rather than buying movies from iTunes or buying games from the App store. (Adobe is also getting ready to launch a workaround that lets the 2 million or so Flash developers out there easily convert their applications for the iPhone, iPod and now iPad - but they will still be approved by and sold through Apple.) Flash breaks down the control Apple has over what gets on its devices and who gets paid for it. Which brings us to the porn theory. Flash opens up a market that Apple and its wireless partners don't want to enter The vast majority of porn is streamed using - you guessed it - Flash. Apple is keeping Flash out, this segment of theorists contend, because it doesn't want its
RE: [scifinoir2] Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release
My husband says it is not true. He plays music with some guy who is way up the food chain. I'm going to ask him From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:19 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release Didn't Windows 7 just roll out the door? Why would there be such a rush to push the next version out, even with competition being what it is? _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390710/direct/01/ now.
RE: [scifinoir2] Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release
When vista came out, all the people at Microsoft groaned about having to use it. That was a horrible sign. They seem to really like 8, so I'm going to wait a until late and do an upgrade.I want to see what bugs they find a little longer From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 12:22 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release I'm not ina rush for the upgrade either, Tracey. I've been on XP since I got this laptop back in '06, but I'll definitely have to go up when D.X. here gives up the ghost, unless I luck out and find a place that carries XP on disc for me to roll back to. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 21:54:14 -0800 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release I used to recruit for them back in the day. Back then they had a very high retention rate. Until the sky fell last year, I was left with a similar impression, but it could be just senior and middle level managers who do not start their own thing stay forever. Most of the people I meet there have been their forever, or come back. I here so few mangers quit that it is hard to more up the ladder unless a new group is being formed . God forbid you get a project cancelled. Finding another good spot up the food chain is really hard. But I also have a few friends that say never again. I know that the only thing that could probably get my husband to go in as an employee is if he got a full time gig with the experimental group. He likes working on experimental projects. I used to worry he was going to get an offer, but after the crash last year, they slashed and burned many of the experimental groups so I doubt if they will be making any more overtures any time soon. These are very strange times at Microsoft. It's almost cannibalistic. The company is trying to redefine itself beyond windows and Office, but those groups work to undercut groups working to compete with Apple, Google,Sony, etc. So efforts to move beyond the desktop are often harmed by insiders before they even go up against would be competitor My husband just started as a consultant with the Microsoft Apple group last week. He hated Vista, but likes 7. We still run XP for our business, but he is considering switching us over to 7. I going to have to put my ear to the ground about 8. But my gut is to wait, because there seems to always be some major bug. If we move to 7, I will be in no hurry to jump to 8 From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:40 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release They seem to waste a lot of their talent there. They have about a 50% turn over rate with 2 years. That number increases dramatically by year 5. The RTM dates are flexible. The problem is the info about products that are supposed to be a secret. After all of the hype about windows 7 now we find out that just a year later that they will be releasing windows 8? That is a little disappointing. On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I guess it's payback time for how they are laying off, reducing salaries and overworking the Microsoft crew. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 4:56 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release M$ is pissed! Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release Less than six months after the release of Windows 7, a blogger claiming to be a former Microsoft employee posted a timeline outlining the software giant's product releases schedule for the next three years. http://www.internetnews.com/software/email.php/3861506 http://www.internetnews.com/software/print.php/3861506 http://www.internetnews.com/software/article.php/3861506#comment_form http://www.internetnews.com/software/article.php/3861506 Share this Article http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/digg.gif Digg http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/del.gif Del.icio.us http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/icon_vinelink.gif Newsvine http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/facebook.gif Facebook http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/google.gif Google http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/icon_linkedin.gif LinkedIn http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/icon_myspace.jpg MySpace http://www.internetnews.com/img
RE: [scifinoir2] The movie Meteor Storm
A set for the place they are headquarter in, a motorcycle, street scenes, a parked helicopter and permission to shoot around Alcatraz… yup really cheap I do not usually watch scifi channel movies, but for some reason I decided to try this one out. I did not do so well.I kept changing stations. One thing I noticed is how they kept driving places, sometimes on motorcycles to rescue people who were aware that the sky was falling. I’m scratching my head… Perhaps I misinterpreted this. Either way, I assume that based on the volume of production, these low budget is a successful, but I can’t imagine who would bother to watch. There not FX, not sex, little fight scenes… What gives? From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2010 9:59 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] The movie Meteor Storm Tonight I watched the movie Meteor storm tonight. This movie was about a freak meteor shower that turned out to be a the beginnings of a large asteroid that is aimed at San Francisco. Several land marks were destroyed including Alcatraz. The effects in the movie weren't the best, but it was kind of fun to watch anyway. One thing that was hilarious in the movie was whoever wrote the movie had a serious problem with cellphones in San Francisco. A definite reoccurring theme. You gotta love that. I think that I am learning something from these bad movies. How to shoot something really cheaply. -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
[scifinoir2] that's the !@@#$%$ guy I voted for
I still don't trust the guy, but dayum it was good to see him run circles around and smack down the Republicans at their retreat in Baltimore.. As one commenter put it: that's the !@@#$%$ guy I voted for view the whole exchange at the link below: http://gawker.com/5460040/video-obama-patiently-explaining-things-to-house-r epublicans Exchange and political impact summarized below Obama Goes To GOP Lions' Den -- And Mauls The Lions - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/29/obama-goes-to-the-gop-lio_n_442331. html President Obama traveled to a House Republican retreat in Baltimore on Friday and delivered a performance that was at once defiant, substantive and engaging. For roughly an hour and a half, Obama lectured GOP leaders and, in a protracted, nationally-televised question-and-answer session, deflected their policy critiques, corrected their misstatements and scolded them for playing petty politics. (Full video and transcript available HERE http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/29/transcript-of-president-o_n_442423 .html .) White House officials told the Huffington Post they were absolutely ecstatic. MSNBC's Luke Russert, who was on the scene in Baltimore, relayed http://twitter.com/RussertXM_NBC/status/8380253627 that a Republican official and other GOP aides had confided to him that allowing the cameras to roll like that was a mistake. So effective was the president that Fox News cut away from the broadcast 20 minutes before it ended. It was the type of performance that Obama's supporters have long demanded and that his own aides have been eager to deliver. The question-and-answer session at the end wasn't initially supposed to be broadcast, but the White House pressured GOP leadership to bring the cameras in. They knew the optics it would generate, a source with knowledge of the planning relayed. Hours before the event began, Republican leaders finally relented. What resulted was what one Democratic strategist described as amazing theater -- certainly for cable news. Standing on a stage, looking down at his Republican questioners, Obama assumed the role of responsible adult to the GOP children, or, at the very least, of a college professor teaching and lecturing a room full of students. He chastised Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) for calling his economic agenda radical and poked fun at the GOP's own platform. I am not an ideologue, I'm not, he said. It doesn't make sense if somebody could tell me, 'You could do this cheaper and get increased results,' then I would say, 'Great.' The problem is, I couldn't find credible economists who could back up the claims that you just made. He rebuked a questioner who insisted that the monthly deficit is higher now than Bush's annual deficit. That's factually just not true, he said. And you know it's not true. He lampooned Republican lawmakers seated in front of him for portraying his health care legislation as some Bolshevik plot. He mocked Republicans for railing against the stimulus package and then showing up at the ribbon-cuttings for some of these important projects in your communities. And he did it all while calling for a tone of civility instead of slash and burn will be helpful. Whether it was chutzpah, political savvy, or both, it certainly was refreshing. Reporters were thrilled with the British Parliament-style exchange between president and lawmakers. The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder asked http://twitter.com/marcambinder/status/8377059288 that forums like these be held monthly. The Nation's Chris Hayes suggested http://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/8377567931 Obama next go before the progressive caucus. Ezra Klein of the Washington Post labeled http://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/8377690964 it the most compelling political television I've seen...maybe ever. NBC's Chuck Todd added http://twitter.com/chucktodd/status/8377311360 : The president should hold Congressional 'town halls' more often. Public needs to see this if they'll ever trust Washington again. From the narrower vantage point of the White House, the event also made for effective politics, spurring some comparisons to the type of political engagement relished by former President Bill Clinton. Most people thinking about this would have thought 'ooh Obama is going into the lion's den, said Dee Dee Myers, Clinton's former press secretary. But there was a great opportunity to jujitsu that. On one level it looked brave but on another he was the substitute teacher there, lecturing the audience. A lot of us have been waiting for that moment, a little more fight, a little more politics, she added. He is in a political business and he has to pay attention to not just the substance but the politics.
[scifinoir2] RE: that's the !@@#$%$ guy I voted for
They have to finesse it to do it all the time because the Thugs know they got schooled and they know it. Fortunately, since that have been on his case and people are calling for it they may have no choice. It has no effect on the ditto head, they are still saying Obama is lying, even with factchecking. But this will have an impact on most independents and dems will begin to see through the rhethoric on the issues Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer The Green Economy Post http://greeneconomypost.com tra...@greeneconomypost.com Phone: 425-502-7716 -Original Message- From: Jeff Ballou [mailto:jeffreypbal...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:58 AM To: Cinque; Daryle Lockhart; Wright Kelwyn Cc: tdemorse...@multiculturaladvantage.com; afrikanm...@hotmail.com; Albert Fields; bettil...@msn.com; dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net; duva...@hotmail.com; fis...@bellsouth.net; GTW; Kai Pettaway; kalpub...@aol.com; keithbjohn...@comcast.net; Kera; Leroy Hughes; Logic; Martin Baxter; Marvalous; Michael Gordon; michael.v.w.gor...@gmail.com; rs...@yahoo.com; Seku Brathwaite; Valery Jean; Wendell Theophilus Smith; Whitney J Evans; williamsf...@speakeasy.net; Zanfordino Anthony; scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: that's the !@@#$%$ guy I voted for He can't make this a one-off or only symbolic. He's gotta do it relatively regularly and do some of it closed door where real stuff will get worked out. Its simply window dressing otherwise... JB Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
RE: [scifinoir2] RE: that's the !@@#$%$ guy I voted for
Actually: I agree with Jeff too. The best case scenario in my mind is we lose less of the lesser of two evils at election time. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 3:23 PM To: SciFiNoir2; jeffreypbal...@gmail.com; cinque3...@verizon.net; dar...@darylelockhart.com; rave Cc: afrikanm...@hotmail.com; cbilmarket...@yahoo.com; bettil...@msn.com; dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net; duva...@hotmail.com; fis...@bellsouth.net; gwashin...@aol.com; killa...@gmail.com; kalpub...@aol.com; keithbjohn...@comcast.net; imke...@gmail.com; seriousnup...@yahoo.com; logic1...@aol.com; truthseeker...@icqmail.com; mmb1...@gmail.com; gord...@indiana.edu; michael.v.w.gor...@gmail.com; rs...@yahoo.com; everything...@nyc.rr.com; valeryjea...@yahoo.com; wendellsmit...@gmail.com; sonofafieldne...@sbcglobal.net; williamsf...@speakeasy.net; beta...@yahoo.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] RE: that's the !@@#$%$ guy I voted for Tracey, we also have to hope that this works its way down to the sheeple in particular. I grant them no political affiliation, because they often go with the tide on issues, when they need to pay attention to the currents and set their rudders firm. Jeff, I couldn't agree with you more. Transparency is a beautiful word, spoken during an election run in the aftermath of an administration where backroom politics was the order of the day, but it, at the end of the day, *never* gets anything done. Every politician, standing in the light of day, wants to look good to their constituents, and looking good rarely equals productive work done. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik _ To: jeffreypbal...@gmail.com; cinque3...@verizon.net; dar...@darylelockhart.com; ravena...@yahoo.com CC: afrikanm...@hotmail.com; cbilmarket...@yahoo.com; bettil...@msn.com; dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net; duva...@hotmail.com; fis...@bellsouth.net; gwashin...@aol.com; killa...@gmail.com; kalpub...@aol.com; keithbjohn...@comcast.net; imke...@gmail.com; seriousnup...@yahoo.com; logic1...@aol.com; truthseeker...@icqmail.com; mmb1...@gmail.com; gord...@indiana.edu; michael.v.w.gor...@gmail.com; rs...@yahoo.com; everything...@nyc.rr.com; valeryjea...@yahoo.com; wendellsmit...@gmail.com; sonofafieldne...@sbcglobal.net; williamsf...@speakeasy.net; beta...@yahoo.com; scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com From: tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 14:18:55 -0800 Subject: [scifinoir2] RE: that's the !@@#$%$ guy I voted for They have to finesse it to do it all the time because the Thugs know they got schooled and they know it. Fortunately, since that have been on his case and people are calling for it they may have no choice. It has no effect on the ditto head, they are still saying Obama is lying, even with factchecking. But this will have an impact on most independents and dems will begin to see through the rhethoric on the issues Tracey de Morsella, Managing Producer The Green Economy Post http://greeneconomypost.com tra...@greeneconomypost.com Phone: 425-502-7716 -Original Message- From: Jeff Ballou [mailto:jeffreypbal...@gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 11:58 AM To: Cinque; Daryle Lockhart; Wright Kelwyn Cc: tdemorse...@multiculturaladvantage.com; afrikanm...@hotmail.com; Albert Fields; bettil...@msn.com; dorothyh...@sbcglobal.net; duva...@hotmail.com; fis...@bellsouth.net; GTW; Kai Pettaway; kalpub...@aol.com; keithbjohn...@comcast.net; Kera; Leroy Hughes; Logic; Martin Baxter; Marvalous; Michael Gordon; michael.v.w.gor...@gmail.com; rs...@yahoo.com; Seku Brathwaite; Valery Jean; Wendell Theophilus Smith; Whitney J Evans; williamsf...@speakeasy.net; Zanfordino Anthony; scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: that's the !@@#$%$ guy I voted for He can't make this a one-off or only symbolic. He's gotta do it relatively regularly and do some of it closed door where real stuff will get worked out. Its simply window dressing otherwise... JB Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry _ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft's powerful SPAM protection. Sign up http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390706/direct/01/ now.
RE: [scifinoir2] Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release
I guess it’s payback time for how they are laying off, reducing salaries and overworking the Microsoft crew. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 4:56 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release M$ is pissed! Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release Less than six months after the release of Windows 7, a blogger claiming to be a former Microsoft employee posted a timeline outlining the software giant's product releases schedule for the next three years. http://www.internetnews.com/software/email.php/3861506 http://www.internetnews.com/software/print.php/3861506 http://www.internetnews.com/software/article.php/3861506#comment_form http://www.internetnews.com/software/article.php/3861506 Share this Article javascript:void(0) Digg javascript:void(0) Del.icio.us javascript:void(0) Newsvine javascript:void(0) Facebook javascript:void(0) Google javascript:void(0) LinkedIn javascript:void(0) MySpace javascript:void(0) Reddit javascript:void(0) Slashdot javascript:void(0) StumbleUpon javascript:void(0) Technorati javascript:void(0) Twitter javascript:void(0) Windows Live javascript:void(0) YahooBuzz javascript:void(0) FriendFeed Print this http://www.internetnews.com/software/print.php/3861506 Article Comment http://www.internetnews.com/software/article.php/3861506#comment_form on this article Email this http://www.internetnews.com/software/email.php/3861506 Article January 28, 2010 Lies, half-truths and distortions are commonplace when it comes to rumors of new products, product release dates and management shakeups in the software industry. CodeGuru http://www.codeguru.com/ has the latest scuttlebutt from a blogger who posted his version of Microsoft's product release timeline through 2012. If it was a practical joke, Microsoft officials aren't laughing. A man who claimed to have worked for Microsoft until mid-January posted on his blog in early December a list of upcoming, unannounced products and his guesses on when they will ship. On that list is Windows 8, which the former employee—Chris Green—pegs as being released to manufacturing (RTM) on or around July 1, 2011. Green's list also predicts Office 2012 is targeted to RTM in July 2012, and Windows Server 2012 as going to RTM in July 2012. Earlier this week, that December post, and the chart that the former employee compiled, were spotted by Stephen Chapman, a blogger who already has a bit of a track record for finding sensitive Microsoft product timing documents. Chapman publicized Green's chart in a post on the Microsoft Kitchen blog (formerly known as the UX Evangelist blog) Wednesday. Green, whose name and former company e-mail address appears on at least one apparent Microsoft document online, did not respond to a request for comment by press time. Microsoft Kitchen's Chapman said he does not know Green and can't vouch for the accuracy of the future product names and dates, although he noted on his blog that Green's chart includes caveats regarding the accuracy of the information. Read the full story at CodeGuru: Cover http://www.codeguru.com/cpp/w-p/system/misc/article.php/c16773/ Blown on Windows 8 Release? -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: that's the !@@#$%$ guy I voted for
They are already saying he was combative, lecturing, overconfident…… However, The initial reaction was less on message, it may stick. But I’m not holding my breath. In the short-term, it was a glorious sight From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 5:14 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: that's the !@@#$%$ guy I voted for I agree that would totally change the fox and msnbc news coverage. However this may backfire into the angry black man situation that the media seems to love. (MTV loves to use it on Real world.) They may force him in a situation that no matter what he says or does would be wrong or bad. On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Kelwyn ravena...@yahoo.com wrote: I wish we had British question time here in America. Obama would routinely clean the Republican clocks. ~rave! --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: I still don't trust the guy, but dayum it was good to see him run circles around and smack down the Republicans at their retreat in Baltimore.. As one commenter put it: that's the !@@#$%$ guy I voted for view the whole exchange at the link below: http://gawker.com/5460040/video-obama-patiently-explaining-things-to-house-r epublicans Exchange and political impact summarized below Obama Goes To GOP Lions' Den -- And Mauls The Lions - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/29/obama-goes-to-the-gop-lio_n_442331. html President Obama traveled to a House Republican retreat in Baltimore on Friday and delivered a performance that was at once defiant, substantive and engaging. For roughly an hour and a half, Obama lectured GOP leaders and, in a protracted, nationally-televised question-and-answer session, deflected their policy critiques, corrected their misstatements and scolded them for playing petty politics. (Full video and transcript available HERE http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/01/29/transcript-of-president-o_n_442423 .html .) White House officials told the Huffington Post they were absolutely ecstatic. MSNBC's Luke Russert, who was on the scene in Baltimore, relayed http://twitter.com/RussertXM_NBC/status/8380253627 that a Republican official and other GOP aides had confided to him that allowing the cameras to roll like that was a mistake. So effective was the president that Fox News cut away from the broadcast 20 minutes before it ended. It was the type of performance that Obama's supporters have long demanded and that his own aides have been eager to deliver. The question-and-answer session at the end wasn't initially supposed to be broadcast, but the White House pressured GOP leadership to bring the cameras in. They knew the optics it would generate, a source with knowledge of the planning relayed. Hours before the event began, Republican leaders finally relented. What resulted was what one Democratic strategist described as amazing theater -- certainly for cable news. Standing on a stage, looking down at his Republican questioners, Obama assumed the role of responsible adult to the GOP children, or, at the very least, of a college professor teaching and lecturing a room full of students. He chastised Rep. Mike Pence (R-Ind.) for calling his economic agenda radical and poked fun at the GOP's own platform. I am not an ideologue, I'm not, he said. It doesn't make sense if somebody could tell me, 'You could do this cheaper and get increased results,' then I would say, 'Great.' The problem is, I couldn't find credible economists who could back up the claims that you just made. He rebuked a questioner who insisted that the monthly deficit is higher now than Bush's annual deficit. That's factually just not true, he said. And you know it's not true. He lampooned Republican lawmakers seated in front of him for portraying his health care legislation as some Bolshevik plot. He mocked Republicans for railing against the stimulus package and then showing up at the ribbon-cuttings for some of these important projects in your communities. And he did it all while calling for a tone of civility instead of slash and burn will be helpful. Whether it was chutzpah, political savvy, or both, it certainly was refreshing. Reporters were thrilled with the British Parliament-style exchange between president and lawmakers. The Atlantic's Marc Ambinder asked http://twitter.com/marcambinder/status/8377059288 that forums like these be held monthly. The Nation's Chris Hayes suggested http://twitter.com/chrislhayes/status/8377567931 Obama next go before the progressive caucus. Ezra Klein of the Washington Post labeled http://twitter.com/ezraklein/status/8377690964 it the most compelling political television I've seen...maybe ever. NBC's Chuck Todd added http://twitter.com/chucktodd/status/8377311360 : The president should hold Congressional 'town
RE: [scifinoir2] Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release
My husband says that the release dates always slip out and they know they will. It is so common place that these leaks are pretty much included in the planning of the release. If you think back over the years, we have always had a heads up on the release dates From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 4:56 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release M$ is pissed! Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release Less than six months after the release of Windows 7, a blogger claiming to be a former Microsoft employee posted a timeline outlining the software giant's product releases schedule for the next three years. http://www.internetnews.com/software/email.php/3861506 http://www.internetnews.com/software/print.php/3861506 http://www.internetnews.com/software/article.php/3861506#comment_form http://www.internetnews.com/software/article.php/3861506 Share this Article javascript:void(0) Digg javascript:void(0) Del.icio.us javascript:void(0) Newsvine javascript:void(0) Facebook javascript:void(0) Google javascript:void(0) LinkedIn javascript:void(0) MySpace javascript:void(0) Reddit javascript:void(0) Slashdot javascript:void(0) StumbleUpon javascript:void(0) Technorati javascript:void(0) Twitter javascript:void(0) Windows Live javascript:void(0) YahooBuzz javascript:void(0) FriendFeed Print this http://www.internetnews.com/software/print.php/3861506 Article Comment http://www.internetnews.com/software/article.php/3861506#comment_form on this article Email this http://www.internetnews.com/software/email.php/3861506 Article January 28, 2010 Lies, half-truths and distortions are commonplace when it comes to rumors of new products, product release dates and management shakeups in the software industry. CodeGuru http://www.codeguru.com/ has the latest scuttlebutt from a blogger who posted his version of Microsoft's product release timeline through 2012. If it was a practical joke, Microsoft officials aren't laughing. A man who claimed to have worked for Microsoft until mid-January posted on his blog in early December a list of upcoming, unannounced products and his guesses on when they will ship. On that list is Windows 8, which the former employee—Chris Green—pegs as being released to manufacturing (RTM) on or around July 1, 2011. Green's list also predicts Office 2012 is targeted to RTM in July 2012, and Windows Server 2012 as going to RTM in July 2012. Earlier this week, that December post, and the chart that the former employee compiled, were spotted by Stephen Chapman, a blogger who already has a bit of a track record for finding sensitive Microsoft product timing documents. Chapman publicized Green's chart in a post on the Microsoft Kitchen blog (formerly known as the UX Evangelist blog) Wednesday. Green, whose name and former company e-mail address appears on at least one apparent Microsoft document online, did not respond to a request for comment by press time. Microsoft Kitchen's Chapman said he does not know Green and can't vouch for the accuracy of the future product names and dates, although he noted on his blog that Green's chart includes caveats regarding the accuracy of the information. Read the full story at CodeGuru: Cover http://www.codeguru.com/cpp/w-p/system/misc/article.php/c16773/ Blown on Windows 8 Release? -- Celebrating 10 years of bringing diversity to perversity! Mahogany at: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mahogany_pleasures_of_darkness/
RE: [scifinoir2] Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release
I used to recruit for them back in the day. Back then they had a very high retention rate. Until the sky fell last year, I was left with a similar impression, but it could be just senior and middle level managers who do not start their own thing stay forever. Most of the people I meet there have been their forever, or come back. I here so few mangers quit that it is hard to more up the ladder unless a new group is being formed . God forbid you get a project cancelled. Finding another good spot up the food chain is really hard. But I also have a few friends that say never again. I know that the only thing that could probably get my husband to go in as an employee is if he got a full time gig with the experimental group. He likes working on experimental projects. I used to worry he was going to get an offer, but after the crash last year, they slashed and burned many of the experimental groups so I doubt if they will be making any more overtures any time soon. These are very strange times at Microsoft. It’s almost cannibalistic. The company is trying to redefine itself beyond windows and Office, but those groups work to undercut groups working to compete with Apple, Google,Sony, etc. So efforts to move beyond the desktop are often harmed by insiders before they even go up against would be competitor My husband just started as a consultant with the Microsoft Apple group last week. He hated Vista, but likes 7. We still run XP for our business, but he is considering switching us over to 7. I going to have to put my ear to the ground about 8. But my gut is to wait, because there seems to always be some major bug. If we move to 7, I will be in no hurry to jump to 8 From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:40 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release They seem to waste a lot of their talent there. They have about a 50% turn over rate with 2 years. That number increases dramatically by year 5. The RTM dates are flexible. The problem is the info about products that are supposed to be a secret. After all of the hype about windows 7 now we find out that just a year later that they will be releasing windows 8? That is a little disappointing. On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I guess it’s payback time for how they are laying off, reducing salaries and overworking the Microsoft crew. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 4:56 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release M$ is pissed! Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release Less than six months after the release of Windows 7, a blogger claiming to be a former Microsoft employee posted a timeline outlining the software giant's product releases schedule for the next three years. http://www.internetnews.com/software/email.php/3861506 http://www.internetnews.com/software/print.php/3861506 http://www.internetnews.com/software/article.php/3861506#comment_form http://www.internetnews.com/software/article.php/3861506 Share this Article http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/digg.gif Digg http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/del.gif Del.icio.us http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/icon_vinelink.gif Newsvine http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/facebook.gif Facebook http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/google.gif Google http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/icon_linkedin.gif LinkedIn http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/icon_myspace.jpg MySpace http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/icon_redit.png Reddit http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/slashdot_icon.jpg Slashdot http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/stumbleit.gif StumbleUpon http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/technorati.gif Technorati http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/icon_twitter.gif Twitter http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/icon_windowslive.gif Windows Live http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/icon_yahoo.gif YahooBuzz http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/icon_friendfeed.png FriendFeed Print http://www.internetnews.com/software/print.php/3861506 this Article Comment on this article http://www.internetnews.com/software/article.php/3861506#comment_form Email http://www.internetnews.com/software/email.php/3861506 this Article January 28, 2010 Lies, half-truths and distortions are commonplace when it comes to rumors of new products, product release dates and management shakeups in the software
RE: [scifinoir2] Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release
Don’t hold be to this. But Chris said there is no talk of 8 that he has heard of, but he has not done any work there since July. I tend to believe them, because someone we know there would have been saying something. Everybody seems to be buzzing about 7. He has a friend right below Balmer. I’m going to ask him the next time I see him. You have me curious From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Tracey de Morsella Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 9:54 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release I used to recruit for them back in the day. Back then they had a very high retention rate. Until the sky fell last year, I was left with a similar impression, but it could be just senior and middle level managers who do not start their own thing stay forever. Most of the people I meet there have been their forever, or come back. I here so few mangers quit that it is hard to more up the ladder unless a new group is being formed . God forbid you get a project cancelled. Finding another good spot up the food chain is really hard. But I also have a few friends that say never again. I know that the only thing that could probably get my husband to go in as an employee is if he got a full time gig with the experimental group. He likes working on experimental projects. I used to worry he was going to get an offer, but after the crash last year, they slashed and burned many of the experimental groups so I doubt if they will be making any more overtures any time soon. These are very strange times at Microsoft. It’s almost cannibalistic. The company is trying to redefine itself beyond windows and Office, but those groups work to undercut groups working to compete with Apple, Google,Sony, etc. So efforts to move beyond the desktop are often harmed by insiders before they even go up against would be competitor My husband just started as a consultant with the Microsoft Apple group last week. He hated Vista, but likes 7. We still run XP for our business, but he is considering switching us over to 7. I going to have to put my ear to the ground about 8. But my gut is to wait, because there seems to always be some major bug. If we move to 7, I will be in no hurry to jump to 8 From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 7:40 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release They seem to waste a lot of their talent there. They have about a 50% turn over rate with 2 years. That number increases dramatically by year 5. The RTM dates are flexible. The problem is the info about products that are supposed to be a secret. After all of the hype about windows 7 now we find out that just a year later that they will be releasing windows 8? That is a little disappointing. On Sat, Jan 30, 2010 at 5:58 PM, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com wrote: I guess it’s payback time for how they are laying off, reducing salaries and overworking the Microsoft crew. From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Worf Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2010 4:56 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release M$ is pissed! Blogger: Windows 8 Set for July 2011 Release Less than six months after the release of Windows 7, a blogger claiming to be a former Microsoft employee posted a timeline outlining the software giant's product releases schedule for the next three years. http://www.internetnews.com/software/email.php/3861506 http://www.internetnews.com/software/print.php/3861506 http://www.internetnews.com/software/article.php/3861506#comment_form http://www.internetnews.com/software/article.php/3861506 Share this Article http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/digg.gif Digg http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/del.gif Del.icio.us http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/icon_vinelink.gif Newsvine http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/facebook.gif Facebook http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/google.gif Google http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/icon_linkedin.gif LinkedIn http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/icon_myspace.jpg MySpace http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/icon_redit.png Reddit http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/slashdot_icon.jpg Slashdot http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/stumbleit.gif StumbleUpon http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/technorati.gif Technorati http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images/icon_twitter.gif Twitter http://www.internetnews.com/img/redesign2008/images
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series
Well put From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Bosco Bosco Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 10:21 AM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series It's better 'til you invest several seasons of your life getting attached to it only to have it ruined for sake of a convenient, neatly wrapped ending. Moore proved he was incapable of bringing the vision the close it deserved and betrayed what could have been the finest legacy in science fiction television period. At least with turds that start as turds and end as turds, you know you've got a turd. With BSG, we were promised something stunning and lead to believe for years that we get something stunning. In the end, we got a turd. Bosco --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com wrote: From: Mr. Worf hellomahog...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:43 PM Its still better than Ghost Hunters or snakes and meteors movie of the week. On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 1:35 PM, B Smith daikaij...@yahoo. com wrote: Three. --- In scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, Martin Baxter truthseeker013@ ... wrote: That's two of us, Bosco. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik com/watch? v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com From: ironpi...@.. . Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series BSG ending was unforgivable. I'm boycotting this on prinicple alone. B --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifino...@yahoogro ups.com, 'Cinq' cinque3...@. .., 'glenn' ggs...@... Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:11 AM What do you think. I'm still smarting from BSG and a little put off that this is an original story that was blended into BSG to piggyback off of its success. But I do like it 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series This Friday brings the first episode of Battlestar Galactica spinoff Caprica, a noir-scifi drama set on the planet Caprica 58 years before the cylons nuke it into oblivion. Based on the pilot, we think this series could become a classic. Of course there are many reasons Caprica might fail, not the least of which would be poor audience ratings. Many fans of BSG are still smarting from that series' disappointing conclusion, and are predicting that Caprica might take an abrupt nosedive into lameness. But the current facts are these: Caprica is a completely different series, and based on what we've seen so far, it is the coolest new SF show on the air. Here are five reasons why. 1. Intriguing, thoughtful worldbuilding As I wrote a couple of weeks ago, the worldbuilding that went into creating Caprica City and the culture of Caprica is simply superb. We're introduced to a culture where paganism is mainstream and sexual mores are extremely liberal, but immigrants still suffer discrimination and monotheists are outcasts. Unlike most SF shows, where worldbuilding is often something like everything is the same except the technology is better, Caprica challenges us to imagine a society radically different from our own. Also, the concept design of the city - which was shown off to great effect in the broadcast version of the pilot - is breathtaking. The futuristic technology isn't bad either. 2. A birth of AI story that feels original A lot of contemporary science fiction, from the Terminator franchise to Star Trek: The Next Generation, deals with what happens when we finally create AI. Will it rise up and destroy us ala Skynet or will it nerdily attempt to fit into human society ala Data? We've seen dozens of vengeful bots and dorky AIs, but a virtual religious zealot computer genius teen trapped inside the body of a killing machine made by her manipulative zillionaire father? Not only is the premise fresh, but so are a lot of the emotional and ethical issues it stirs up. 3. The Adama family Rarely has a family unit in science fiction been as interesting as the Adamas seem to be in Caprica. Trapped between two cultures, straddling the line between criminality and respectability, Joseph Adama is a character who has problems I want to know more about. Plus his brother Sam, a smalltime gangster with a heart of gold, is another guy I want to know better. I'm sold on the idea of gangsters on another planet. 4. Excellent acting
RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series
Had I known what I know now, I probably would not have seen the Finale. Why did you miss the finale? You were one season behind right?You will probably like Caprica, because you do not have the bitter aftertaste of the finale. Lucky you. I think it’s a pretty good show. I’m a fan of Esai Morales and Eric Stolze, and they put some effort into this. Moore is not attached, as far as I know. So, despite its origins, I hope it does well Speaking of Enterprise. One storyline that surprised me in its depth was the ongoing saga with the Andorians and The captain’s evolving relationship with their leader. I really liked that From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Keith Johnson Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:21 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series I still haven't seen the BSG finale, so maybe I'll be immune? Caprica is being shown again tonight at 11 pm EST, right after a four hour marathon of Enterprise. The first half of that is the unfortunate time travel saga after the defeat of the Xindi, where the crew is blown back in time to a Nazi/alien occupied NYC. The second half is the good ep when Phlox is kidnapped by the Klingons in order to cure a mutated strain of the Augment DNA, which is changing its victims into the more human looking klingons of Kirk's early years. - Original Message - From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@multiculturaladvantage.com To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 5:16:04 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series I think I might watch it. They have showed it like 15 times this week and even though I saw the DVD, I checked out the last 30 minutes and it was really good. That being said, I have a visceral response to anything remotely related to BSG and it takes a lot for me to set it aside. I went months before I saw Moore's Space show. I think there are a lot of people who feel intense negative feeling regarding BSG after being big fans. I wonder how that is going to impact on ratings? -Original Message- From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of B Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 1:36 PM To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com Subject: [scifinoir2] Re: 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series Three. --- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com , Martin Baxter truthseeker...@... wrote: That's two of us, Bosco. If all the world's a stage and all the people merely players, who in bloody hell hired the director? -- Charles L Grant http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQUxw9aUVik To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com From: ironpi...@... Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 11:51:13 -0800 Subject: Re: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series BSG ending was unforgivable. I'm boycotting this on prinicple alone. B --- On Wed, 1/27/10, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote: From: Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... Subject: [scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com mailto:scifinoir2%40yahoogroups.com , 'Cinq' cinque3...@..., 'glenn' ggs...@... Date: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 3:11 AM What do you think. I'm still smarting from BSG and a little put off that this is an original story that was blended into BSG to piggyback off of its success. But I do like it 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series This Friday brings the first episode of Battlestar Galactica spinoff Caprica, a noir-scifi drama set on the planet Caprica 58 years before the cylons nuke it into oblivion. Based on the pilot, we think this series could become a classic. Of course there are many reasons Caprica might fail, not the least of which would be poor audience ratings. Many fans of BSG are still smarting from that series' disappointing conclusion, and are predicting that Caprica might take an abrupt nosedive into lameness. But the current facts are these: Caprica is a completely different series, and based on what we've seen so far, it is the coolest new SF show on the air. Here are five reasons why. 1. Intriguing, thoughtful worldbuilding As I wrote a couple of weeks ago, the worldbuilding that went into creating Caprica City and the culture of Caprica is simply superb. We're introduced to a culture where paganism is mainstream and sexual mores are extremely liberal, but immigrants still suffer discrimination and monotheists
RE: [scifinoir2] Brittany Murphy's Husband Denies Rumours around Deaths
Same here. But I too liked Brittany. Something about her reminded me of Judy Holiday From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Martin Baxter Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 5:20 PM To: SciFiNoir2 Subject: RE: [scifinoir2] Brittany Murphy's Husband Denies Rumours around Deaths Keith, everything I've heard about her husband is that he ran to the shady side. That claim is a longshot at best. _ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390709/direct/01/ now.
[scifinoir2] 5 Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series
What do you think. I'm still smarting from BSG and a little put off that this is an original story that was blended into BSG to piggyback off of its success. But I do like it 5 http://io9.com/5456805/5-reasons-caprica-is-the-seasons-most-promising-new- sf-series Reasons Caprica Is The Season's Most Promising New SF Series This Friday brings the first episode of Battlestar Galactica spinoff Caprica, a noir-scifi drama set on the planet Caprica 58 years before the cylons nuke it into oblivion. Based on the pilot, we think this series could become a classic. Of course there are many reasons Caprica might fail, not the least of which would be poor audience ratings. Many fans of BSG are still smarting from that series' disappointing conclusion, and are predicting that Caprica might take an abrupt nosedive into lameness. But the current facts are these: Caprica is a completely different series, and based on what we've seen so far, it is the coolest new SF show on the air. Here are five reasons why. 1. Intriguing, thoughtful worldbuilding As I wrote http://io9.com/5439879/caprica-is-very-different-from-battlestar-galactica- +-and-thats-good a couple of weeks ago, the worldbuilding that went into creating Caprica City and the culture of Caprica is simply superb. We're introduced to a culture where paganism is mainstream and sexual mores are extremely liberal, but immigrants still suffer discrimination and monotheists are outcasts. Unlike most SF shows, where worldbuilding is often something like everything is the same except the technology is better, Caprica challenges us to imagine a society radically different from our own. Also, the concept design of the city - which was shown off to great effect in the broadcast version of the pilot - is breathtaking. The futuristic technology isn't bad either. 2. A birth of AI story that feels original A lot of contemporary science fiction, from the Terminator franchise to Star Trek: The Next Generation, deals with what happens when we finally create AI. Will it rise up and destroy us ala Skynet or will it nerdily attempt to fit into human society ala Data? We've seen dozens of vengeful bots and dorky AIs, but a virtual religious zealot computer genius teen trapped inside the body of a killing machine made by her manipulative zillionaire father? Not only is the premise fresh, but so are a lot of the emotional and ethical issues it stirs up. 3. The Adama family Rarely has a family unit in science fiction been as interesting as the Adamas seem to be in Caprica. Trapped between two cultures, straddling the line between criminality and respectability, Joseph Adama is a character who has problems I want to know more about. Plus his brother Sam, a smalltime gangster with a heart of gold, is another guy I want to know better. I'm sold on the idea of gangsters on another planet. 4. Excellent acting With Essai Morales and Eric Stolz as our leads Joseph Adama and Daniel Graystone, it goes without saying that the acting in this show is going to rock. (There was also a lot of terrific acting in BSG, so Caprica maintains the quality of this aspect of the franchise.) Sasha Roiz as Sam Adama is already terrific, as is Magda Apanowicz as Zoe Graystone's friend Lacy. Alessandra Torresani is probably the weakest link as Zoe - she's a little one-note - but she could improve over time. Given that this show hinges on personal drama as well as epic SF storytelling, it's crucial that the leads be able to show us subtle emotion and conflict - and damn, they are delivering. In the pilot, Stolz does a perfect job embodying a guy who is incredibly manipulative while also being sincere. 5. Drama that depends on science fictional plot points, but isn't completely focused on them I already suggested that drama is one of this show's strong points. One of the ways Caprica has already become a standout this season is that it manages to give us human drama of the sort we might expect on The Wire, while also never losing sight of the fact that its plot arc is centered on something basically science fictional. This is a series about how two new technologies - the holoband and the cylon - come together to create artificial life. And much of the human drama hinges on these technologies as well. In other words, this is fiction fueled by drama and science, which is a rare and awesome thing. Who knows where the show will wind up, but for these reasons alone I think it's worth tuning in Friday for the first episode. Send an email to Annalee Newitz, the author of this post, at anna...@io9.com.
[scifinoir2] Scoop: Forest Whitaker to headline 'Criminal Minds' spin-off!
http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/01/25/forest-whitaker-criminal-minds-spin-o ff/ Oscar winner Forest Whitaker is nearing a deal to headline CBS' in-the-works spin-off of Criminal Minds, sources confirm to me semi-exclusively. Whitaker would play Cooper, the new team's fiercely loyal and intensely private leader. A former star profiler in the BAU, Coop's been off the grid for the last eight years - leaving only a trail of rumors in his wake. Minds 2.0 will follow the NCIS/NCIS: LA model in that the new team will be introduced in an episode of Minds this spring before being launched into their own show next fall. Seasoned industry professionals like myself refer to it as a planted spin-off. This is Whitaker's first regular TV gig since his mesmerizing turn as Michael Chiklis' arch-nemesis, Jon Kavanaugh, on The Shield.
[scifinoir2] Fringe: It's Walter vs. William in the finale!
Fringe: It's Walter vs. William in the finale! - http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/01/25/fringe-season-2-finale-spoilers/ It's the showdown we've been waiting for. Fringe's second-season finale this spring will feature a long-awaited confrontation between weird science partners-turned-frenemies William Bell (Leonard Nimoy) and Walter Bishop (John Noble). William and Walter will finally face off in the finale, confirms consulting producer Akiva Goldsman, who is directing the two-part episode (written by exec producers Jeff Pinkner and J.H. Wyman). These [characters] have so much that they're bringing to bear. And Leonard and John are two fantastic actors. The William/Walter reunion is just one of several mythology-related payoffs Fringe has in store in this season's final episodes. We're going to be looking very closely into Peter's [Joshua Jackson] identity, Walter's choices in the past, and Walter's choices in the future, reveals Goldsman. And by the end of the season, we're all going over to the other side. We're trying to do the last two episodes as a singular event, a little bit more movie-like, elaborates the acclaimed auteur, who won an Oscar for his adaptation of A Beautiful Mind. It's really one big story. We're approaching it like a mini-feature. It'll have a singular narrative drive. But will it have any closure should, heaven forbid, the episode http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2009/11/09/fringe-exclusive-j-j-abrams-on-ratin gs-and-future/ turn out to be a series finale? Good stories typically have sufficient closure, but also have the promise of continuing - even if you're not watching them continue, he says. So, short of killing somebody - which we're not doing - we're just treating it like the end of a movement, not the end of a symphony.
RE: [scifinoir2] Tamara Dobson
I was sad to hear that she died. I was a fan as a kid
From: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com [mailto:scifino...@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of Kelwyn
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2010 7:31 AM
To: scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [scifinoir2] Tamara Dobson
--- In scifinoir2@yahoogroups.com, Tracey de Morsella tdli...@... wrote:
How come you guys never bring up Tamara Dobson (Cleopatra Jones). She
sounds like she belongs in this group
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamara_Dobson
{{Bowing before the infinite wisdom of the Exalted List Goddess (we are not
worthy!)}} Oh my God! Tamara Dobson! I LOVE Tamara Dobson. She was a six
foot, two inch GODDESS! Ms. Dobson had such a strong grip on my psyche that
I created not one but TWO characters in homage to her: Akisha Dauphine
(Beautiful Princess) and Ashnan (the nourishing bread) Clythera (another
name for Aphrodite).
The only bitter sweet part of this reminiscence is discovering (today) that
Miss Dobson died in 2006 at age 62.
Let's pour a little wine for the Goddess who is no longer here.
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