date:20030801


forgot to add that the clay is kaolin and pectin is from the apple. You can
buy Kaopectate in any drugstore.   There are a lot of kaolin mines in
Florida, I can dig it up by the shovelfull for free.  How does it relate to
the others?


 Kaopectate is clay and apple.  I wonder if you could mix CS with that?

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 From: Jack Dayton jack...@harbornet.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:36 AM
 Subject: Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ...


  Jason Eaton  7/31/03  5:47 AM
 
   I was hoping that the further research would begin to unveil the
   mysteries of clay healing from a scientific viewpoint.  Sadly, it has
 done
   exactly the opposite!
  
  Thanks for that entire post  about the
  mysteries of the various properties of
  clay in many of it's forms, now I wont
  have to ask WHY clay does anything
  beneficial, - I thought it was for tennis
  courts, and ceramics only.
 
  I can't imagine eating clay, but I have
  read of people who do so compulsively.
  ( A mineral deficiency? )
 
  Jack
 
 
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Re: CSRe: rebounding

Will one of those rubber cages found at Wall Mart and Sam's Wholesale, that the 
kids bounce on do the same thing??
  - Original Message - 
  From: Hanneke 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 11:25 PM
  Subject: CSRe: rebounding

  Agreeing wholeheartedly about the benefits of using a rebounder, I would like 
to give a little warning though:
  long time non exercisers ie couch potatoes would be wise to take it easy in 
the beginning.  Not every one would be able to start off with 3 minutes 3x per 
day. Rebounding has a profound effect on your lymph system, even the gentle 
bouncing where the feet don't even leave the mat.  As a beginner one might 
experience incredible fatique, nausea, or just feel totally off, and not even 
thinking of the rebounder being responsible.  The lymph starts moving, toxins 
begin to move, and although that's what we want to achieve, build up slowly.  
Again, this is not happening to everyone but it does happen.  Start off with 
even only 1 minute 2x or 3x per day, you might feel on clouds already after 30 
secs, gentle bouncing and slowly build it up. Listen to your body!!

  Happy bouncing

  An example of the other benefits...I had been a couch potato for years
  (programmer, designer, etc.)...I had no muscle tone...after the first 10 days 
of
  rebounding gently for three minutes three times a day, my legs, calves, arms, 
etc.,

Re: CSLice- TJ Garland

2003-08-01 Thread Tad Winiecki

Here is an excerpt from the following web page  about lice.  I found a
strong tea tree oil shampoo (Herbal Melaleuca) to be effective against the
adults, so would eventually get all the  eggs as well as they hatched if
used for every shampoo.  Aniseed or oregano essential oil is supposed to
kill adults and eggs and can be mixed in some oil and applied to the whole
head.  A lice comb to get out the nits glued to the hairs is needed as
well.

Nancy

www.wingedseed.com/Agora/Lice_page.htm

Not all the oils were tested at the same time. Oregano had 100% mortality
with both eggs and adults when dissolved in alcohol, and so did aniseed and
cinnamon leaf, thought the control mortality for the egg results in the
last two oils was abnormally high. Red thyme had 84% mortality with adults
and 92% with eggs, though it was in the same batch as aniseed and cinnamon
so the egg results may not be accurate. Tea tree had 93% adult mortality
and 83% egg mortality. A rinse was used in all cases. The rinse by itself
is ineffective.

I also tested some of the oils in water rather than alcohol, and found that
aniseed still killed 100% of the adults and eggs, and oregano killed 99.3%
of eggs and 100% of adults. Red thyme killed all the adults but only 51% of
eggs; tea tree killed 94% of adults and 59% of eggs, and cinnamon leaf
killed 86% of adults but only 26% of eggs.



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If your PWT is reading 24uS the PPM is probably more like 30+.
You can make the color lighter but dilution won't make it go away. Once you make a larger particle, the only thing that will break it up is H2O2. [Using H2O2 is a whole other class of weirdness.]
The relationship of ion content and particle formation is not linear. The more ions in a space, the more likely that more ions will form into particles. So, if it's 80% ionic at 24 uS, at 30 uS it may only be 70% ionic and at 40 uS it may be 50% ionic and you actually have 80 or more PPM CS.
At 20PPM, the PWT will read about 17-18 uS with the fudge factor of 1.2 for 20 PPM CS. At a meter reading of 20 uS you'd expect that to be 24 PPM but it's probably more like 30 PPM total silver. The meters don't resister particles..nor does any auto off or other conductivity monitering circuitry. It's like counting apples to see how many oranges you have.
The stronger you make the CS, the more particles will form in that small space and the more 'likely' their close proximity will make them agglomerate into larger particles which give the color..especially if there are trace elements in the water that help particles form larger crystals in storage.

Generators that have no current controls and/or use too high a current density make the larger particles 'right now' as well as possibly later on. Stirring helps prevent that even without controlling the current up to a point.
If stirring is too slow or non existant, localized regions of concentration form in the water and agglomeration accelerates. If stirring is too fast you get particle collisions on the electrodes and the grey fuzzies build up on them.
The bigger the batch, the less effective stirring is unless you design for that batch size. [Which is why big batch generators are so expensive]
Use a small batch generator to make a gallon, you get some problems that can be overcome with a lot of attention...for hours and hours and hours. Use a big batch generator to make a pint and you come across other problems.

As you get stronger CS, the more iffy the particle size issue becomes..iffy..because even 100+ PPM can be made and be 'reasonably' stable IF everything else is just right. BUT, change one element [stir rate, current, electrode size, electrode spacing, batch size, water quality and temperature etc] in the process and everything else changes too.

That said, any 'pale' color indicates the presence of a vast majority of the colorless smallest possible particles.
It doesn't mean that you made only the larger ones. It means you only made a few of them and the CS is OK to use. It could be better, but it's still OK.
Since the meter only registers ions, you made more of them too and no ion is bigger or smaller than another ion.

Since there are no dosing standards that make any sense at all and it's extremely difficult to come to harm, intuition plays a big part in how much of what to use. If it seems strong..use less. Dose for effect.
Sure, you can get numbers with meters and laboratories, but in all 'practical' applications, they don't mean much...nor do they always agree. [Actually, I have yet to find any that do without accepting a rather large range of error.]
I seems that in the CS field, everything works within a variable range and nothing can get completely nailed down.
'This' may work better than 'that', then we disagree on how much is better while it ALL works sufficiently well in any practical sense.

On this list, I think the only things we can completely agree upon is..don't use salt..do use distilled water.
If you like what you make, use it. If you don't, make something else. Then, here's how to make something else...or I believe I gotta secret, you have to pay for it cause I ain't talking

A while back I got into a discussion with someone who was certain he had a system that was better and easier/cheaper to build..in theory. Well, I gave it a try and theory didn't match reality but he kept insisting that I was a crook, told lies and was going into production to prove it.
My response?
OK, do it. But be prepared to not tell the whole truth about anything...since no one can nail it down, the slightest little thing changes it accordingly and even the best that science has to offer gives varied results.
If you think you know what it's all about..show us all up. DO IT!
No show yet.

I wonder if he tried and gave up...or was just all talk and theory.
Ode

At 07:15 PM 7/31/2003 EDT, you wrote:

Hi, Just made a half of a gallon of CS with my generator and left it too long and I have 24ppm according to my PWT meter and it is slightly amber instead of the clear that I usually make. My question could I add a little of my distilled water to the CS until it was clear? Wouldn't this still be good CS?
Thanks, Mary H.

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Re: CSRe: New and Confused

 Is the neck-tie a symbol of a noose or a leash?
Ode

At 07:13 PM 7/31/2003 -0700, you wrote:
Jack writes:
...Also I found that there are people and Doctors who
reccomend REBOUNDING on a trampoline. Now I
once had read that rebounding might help alleviate
an astigmatism...
Yes, I heard about the trampoline, too.  Something about
it forcess the lymph glands to do their job better.
Also, there was a report on the news last night about
the long-term negative effect of men wearing neck-ties
on their vision, from circulatory problems.
Old and still confused,
jr


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Re: CSWal-mart DW


General common sense rules would be:
Don't fill it all the way up.
Use any prefilter, discard any post filter.
If it has a low setting, use it.
 Keep it clean.
Double distilling does work.
Ode

At 09:32 PM 7/31/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Good point!!!
Perhaps distilling it twice would make the product consistent?

  :) Marv


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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2003 8:02 AM
Subject: Re: CSWal-mart DW


Yup, then all the variations are your fault.  ;-)

Ode

At 07:30 AM 7/29/2003 -0500, you wrote:
Thanks Bob,

The RADICAL difference in conductance makes you want to buy your own
distillation unit.

Best regards,
  :) Marv

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From: Robert Berger bober...@swbell.net
To: silver-list silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 9:49 AM
Subject: CSWal-mart DW


Greetings EIS'ers,

As Mike has noted the DW has changed. At KC MO in the past the DW was
made at Hazelwood MO, it is now made at KC Kansas.

The Hazelwood DW ususally had a Cf of 2.0 to2.5 uS/cm.
The KC Kansas DW runs about 4.0 to 5.0 uS/cm.

But that does not account for the shape of the data that I have plotted
for both.
Every batch I make has the cell current, voltage, and conductance
recorded.

for those who have Wplot16.exe or Wplot32.exe look at the shape of the
current curves. they are entirely different. as is the conductance
curve.

Any answers???

Ole Bob



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Re: CSthe wrong generator

2003-08-01 Thread Jack Dayton

Tel Tofflemire8/1/03 4:09 AM

 Keep it, Sue, You made a Great choice.!
 it's by far the best for the money

Hi Tel,

I want to say that to the best of my memory
you are one of only 2 or 3 listers that have
had anything good to say about the
Colloid Master Model 777
A little checking supplied the following info.
- - - - - - - - - - -

Hello Fellow CS or Sol Ag (silver) Researcher,

The following tests were done (by Tri-Science of
New Mexico)  using colloid made using the Colloid
 Master model 777 AC. The Colloid Master SE and
Model 777 Universal function similarly.

Viewable as an image file below -
go to:   http://www.wishgranted.com/777tests.html
to see the test report.

1. I don't want a generator that does not stir

2. I find quite a difference between the company stated
production time, and the time reported by the lab.

I think 7.5 hours is a ridiculous amount of time to
produce 1 pint of product.

3. The price is hard to complain about  - $99.00

I don't know how long ago it was that you purchased
the generator which you state had both mechanical
and thermal ( ...a little toy motor to stir with,
sitting on a light bulb.)
I never knew that there was such a generator ever
sold.

Well Sue I guess none of this has helped with your
decision, maybe some other listers will respond, and
hopefully help you with your choice.

Jack






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Re: CSthe wrong generator

2003-08-01 Thread Robert Berger

Hi Sue,

Describe it to me in detail and if possible gve me the web site. Off
list please.
Maybe it can be made useful.

Ole Bob



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Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ...

2003-08-01 Thread Marshall Dudley

I might be wrong, but I always thought that the kaolin was like activated
charcoal, and absorbs toxins, so they pass on out the system without getting
into the blood steam.  I haven't a clue as to what the pectin does.

Marshall

Charles Sutton wrote:

 forgot to add that the clay is kaolin and pectin is from the apple. You can
 buy Kaopectate in any drugstore.   There are a lot of kaolin mines in
 Florida, I can dig it up by the shovelfull for free.  How does it relate to
 the others?

  Kaopectate is clay and apple.  I wonder if you could mix CS with that?
 
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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:36 AM
  Subject: Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ...
 
 
   Jason Eaton  7/31/03  5:47 AM
  
I was hoping that the further research would begin to unveil the
mysteries of clay healing from a scientific viewpoint.  Sadly, it has
  done
exactly the opposite!
   
   Thanks for that entire post  about the
   mysteries of the various properties of
   clay in many of it's forms, now I wont
   have to ask WHY clay does anything
   beneficial, - I thought it was for tennis
   courts, and ceramics only.
  
   I can't imagine eating clay, but I have
   read of people who do so compulsively.
   ( A mineral deficiency? )
  
   Jack
  
  
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Re: CSRe: The Ol' Bob Mike M. debate...

  Bottom line:
You are the only thing that cannot be destroyed. But you certainly can misdefine what you think you are...and that misdefinition defines your self validating illusions of reality.
..which is how reality 'as we each know it' is created.
Vision depends upon NOT seeing everything. If you could see everything there is to see, you'd be completely and absolutely blind.  Vision depends on focus, but the more clearly you see any one thing, the less you can see of everything else.
The final truth behind the illusion is that there is no 'each'.
This is difficult to keep in mind when every illusion proves itself to your satisfaction. If it doesn't, you create another illusion that  does.
But then, all the proofs are contained within the illusion.
It's especially difficult to keep in mind when the very idea of 'me' depends upon misdefining mind. [Because any definition at all has to be incomplete..by definition..because mind has no limits or boundaries or locations to define]

Clue:   The mind is not in the brain. The brain is held in the mind as a symbol of location. All objects are symbols with meanings that vary depending on point of view.  The brain does not think, it sorts though all of thought and selects those that successfully don't contradict the program it is running...and denies all others.
If the program is so conflicted as to crash, the brain changes it and selects different thoughts to back up and confirm the change. [but no program is without fatal conflicts, so, programs don't crash...denial does. No program could run at all without denial.]

Oddly, the closer you examine  anything with the sincere desire to know what it really is and the idea that you don't already know, the more it goes away.

You don't exist, therefore, cannot be destroyed. [???]
Or is that, You are real 'because' nothing at all is?

Each of us is only that one mind taking different points of view in a common loosly defined [misdefined] field of symbology...which can only be done by denying to some extent that other points of view are valid. [This is the function that the black or white-out tool 'ego' serves. This is this, therefore, it is not that.]
Just what is it that tells a drop of water how big it is when it's in an ocean of water? [It's 'unreal' sense of self vs all that it denies being it...but all senses depend on denial.]

Fear is not real. It's a tool we use to make things SEEM real.
After all, how much fun is a roller coaster if you're not scared?

Adventure is defined as that which you'd rather not happen [because it's so darned scary ], but are glad it did...after the fact.

Waxing Phil Asophical
..makes him shine up nice, ey? 

[Fellow thrill seeker pretending to want security]
Ode

At 12:19 AM 8/1/2003 -0700, you wrote: 

Andy:
  
I won't be ready to write my real book until I'm done caring about this world.  The truth is simply just too painful and overwhelmingly joyous at the same time -- and also exceedingly dangerous.  It takes quite alot of illusion ( for us as people ) to maintain coherant consciousness in this world which is so seperated from nature, where the lines of division have been drawn knowingly by hands which touch far more than the fabric of society...  None of us is an exception to the rule.  Indeed, our enemy has always been both ignorance and the power of knowledge.  It's a double-edged sword that slices at both ends of the extremes and it is a self-sustaining system.
  
I enjoyed Levi's writing style...  Although I have always disagreed, occasionally venemously, with the hermetic traditions of masking things within secrecy and placing blinds within knowledge.  I spent quite some time in my very-younger days attempting to penetrate the 33+ levels of the mystery schools, with a touch of success here and there.  I probably would have never been open to the idea of colloidal silver had I not ( ironically enough ).
  
One of my favorite quotes ( paraphrased, I believe )
  
Fear not.  What is not real never has been and never shall be.  What is real always was and cannot be destroyed.
  
This is an abstract philosophical riddle that has a solution, or solvent, written into a hypothetical conceptual absolute. The riddle states that the final answer to fear lies in the fundamental definition of reality... That this solution can be comprehended by simply observing two facts in nature:  What is real and what is not.  Further, it provides the needed definition of reality as a starting point.  Ironically, the only way to solve it is finding something that cannot be destroyed, as one would have to wait eternity to see what truly remained otherwise.
  
The value comes in agonizing over any possible solvents to the riddle.  The conclusions are stunning if one chooses to accept the fundamental starting point -- conceptually.  The implications are equally profound.
  
Best Regards,
  
Jason
  












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To:

Re: CSNew and Confused

  If you can laugh insanely for 3 minutes a day, I'll bet you'll get the
same effect as using a rebounder.
:-)
 Laughter moves everything...even if you're faking it.
 Thing is, faking it is so funny that soon you won't be.

 'Infectious disease' turns into 'dis infectious ease'.

 Try it in public sometime.
 What FUN!!!

Remember the laugh box?
 How insincere!
 How effective!

 Once way back when I slid one of those things under the seats in a court
room. Some poor harmless pot head was getting planted.  It got kicked
around for several minutes before the fuzz found it. Every kick brought
more gales of laughter from the box and the people trying to get it away
from themselves.
 Nobody was 'supposed' to think anything was funny but couldn't help it.
 Can you say recess ?
 The place was a riot of smiles.

 I wonder how things went for the pot head?

Ode [a public new sense]

  O, I'm an idiot so you're OK
I laugh all night as I work all day.
I dress up in serious clothes..
and wear
 a big red nose.

Coyote


At 05:24 PM 7/31/2003 -0700, you wrote:
Hi,

My wife, myself, and a handful of others can attest to the magic of a
rebounder...albeit, not just a mini-trampoline.  These rebounders are an
entirely different critter and cost at retail $250 plus.

Rebounders are used by NASA astronauts in space, with a special rubber
band to provide the opposite pull, to keep them in condition and to
prevent bone
loss.

It is true that your many people's eyesite will improve.  It is also true
for most folks, that problems like emphysema can be helped immensely.  The
reason
that the rebounders work so well, is that they move the lymph system like
nothing
else can.  After two-three minutes of just light bouncing, your white
blood cell
count will increase dramatically.

An example of the other benefits...I had been a couch potato for years
(programmer, designer, etc.)...I had no muscle tone...after the first 10
days of
rebounding gently for three minutes three times a day, my legs, calves,
arms, etc.,

were firm.  The reason why this works is complex, and better explained by
someone who is up on the mechanism.  If you are interested, I can have
someone else

explain it and post it here.

If you are interested in one of the good quality Needak rebounders, I know of
someone who sells them for $200 plus shipping...and no I have no interest
nor am I benefited by someone buying one...it's just where I got mine:)

Now wrt CS, I am certain that the combination would be dynamite:)

Ciao,

Craig

 Jack Dayton  7/31/03   11:55 AM

  OG  7/31/03  12:21 PM  wrote:
 
  I have emphysema and chronic bronchitis, and have constantly fought off
  colds/lung problem with the normal rounds of antibiotics, going from
one to
  another to another as my body would build up an immunity to them.
 
 **
 I replied:
  I was  diagnosed with emphasema, COPD, and asthma.
  In January, after nearly 60 years of smoking, I QUIT !!
  Well fust quiting caused a noticible improvement in
  my breathing, and my asthma attacks had stopped,
  I guess I was allergic to smoking :-)  .
 Well it must have been lunch time because I certainly
 had no intention of ending my response that way.
 ( I didn't even use the spell-checker, and  it shows.)

 It has been 6 months since I quit smoking - think of
 the money I'm saving :-)  .

 This is what has transpired since I quit. I no longer need
 either of my inhalers,  - no more asthma attacks.

 I have returned all of the oxygen equipment which
 I previously needed. I had both a large Concentrator
 and a small portable ( shoulder strap) type for trips away
 from home.
 I got a nebulizer through my insurance (HMO) company
 and began a regimen of CS, and later a combination of
 DMSO / CS  1 / 10  ratio twice daily to help clear up what
 I considered a low-grade infection  - had a frequent cough
 and a lot of phlegm.  Now I seldom use my nebulizer as
 the few times that I do cough in the evening, I consider as
 acceptable after the amount of damage all of these years.

 I never expect my lung capacity to get back to nor mal,
 but I am managing to increase my walking distance, and
 every day activities around the home no longer leave me
 breathing hard.

 I have discovered that there are a few alternative
 approaches to reducing the debilitating effects of
 emphysema - one I am working on with noticeable
 results is simply changing the way that I had been
 breathing - short in and out.  TRY taking deep, down
 in the belly breaths, and exhaling through pursed lips.

 Also I found that there are people and Doctors who
 reccomend REBOUNDING on a trampoline. Now I
 once had read that rebounding might help alleviate
 an astigmatism.

 There are small portable trampolines available, but
 I haven't tried that yet.
 Spend some searching with google.com - there is a
 vast amount of information to be found  OUT THERE
 ( reminds me of Twilight Zone)

 In another part of your letter you stated in part:

 I have

Re: CSRe: New and Confused

2003-08-01 Thread Marshall Dudley

Actually I have read it is a phallic symbol.

Marshall

Ode Coyote wrote:

  Is the neck-tie a symbol of a noose or a leash?
 Ode

 At 07:13 PM 7/31/2003 -0700, you wrote:
 Jack writes:
 ...Also I found that there are people and Doctors who
 reccomend REBOUNDING on a trampoline. Now I
 once had read that rebounding might help alleviate
 an astigmatism...
 Yes, I heard about the trampoline, too.  Something about
 it forcess the lymph glands to do their job better.
 Also, there was a report on the news last night about
 the long-term negative effect of men wearing neck-ties
 on their vision, from circulatory problems.
 Old and still confused,
 jr
 
 
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CSDr. WC Douglass Newsletter: Eulogy for Dr. Atkins

I've been subscribing to this newsletter for years, it's excellent.  A
eulogy for Dr. Atkins:

A fitting eulogy for a fallen friend...

I've written before about Dr. Robert Atkins, the pioneering
father of the modern low-carb, high-fat diet that's helped
millions lose weight and improve their cardiovascular health.
But no tribute I could ever render would dignify the late
doctor's work as much as the one that appeared this past
month in the hallowed pages of the New England Journal of
Medicine...

Finally, after 30 years, the medical mainstream grudgingly
acknowledged the good doctor's advice about the dangers of
the low-fat and high-carbohydrate diet so rampant in the 70s
and 80s. It seems that the last decade's groundswell of
popular support for his ultra-successful nutritional
blueprint for weight loss and heart health has forced the
mainstream to undertake what's been billed as the very
first controlled trial of the Atkins diet...

That's right: A 12-round heavyweight championship bout
between titans of the dieting world - the low-fat conformers
vs. the low-carb reformers. It doesn't take a bookmaker to
predict who's going to prevail here. Why do you think
conventional medicine resisted staging this little rumble for
over 30 years? After 12 month-long rounds, the scorecard
reads like this:

* Atkins subjects had lost more weight than their
  conventional-diet counterparts at every measured interval -
  3, 6, and 12 months.

* After 12 months, Atkins subjects had more than 6 TIMES AS
  MUCH HDL (good cholesterol) as conventional dieters.

* Triglycerides had dropped 27 TIMES AS MUCH in Atkins
  dieters as in the high-carb, low-fat control group.

* The Atkins dieters showed identical levels of LDL (bad
  cholesterol) as the control group - with absolutely no
  fluctuation in either group over 12 months.

Looks like we've crowned a new heavyweight diet and heart-
health champion - by a knockout, no less! But it's such a
shame that my good friend Dr. Atkins wasn't here to see his
life's work validated by his foes...

But we are, and let's not forget him.

Treating patients as people,

William Campbell Douglass II, MD

**
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Re: CSRe: CS

2003-08-01 Thread Jack Dayton

helenw8...@aol.com7/31/03 11:15 PM

 Hi, Just made a half of a gallon of CS with my generator and left it too long
 and I have 24ppm according to my PWT meter and it is slightly amber instead of
 the clear that I usually make.  My question could I add a little of my
 distilled water to the CS until it was clear? Wouldn't this still be good CS?
 Thanks,  Mary H. 
***
I think the answer to your question is yes.

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Re: CSRe: rebounding

2003-08-01 Thread Ruth Bertella

After a quick search, for those interested, I was able to find the Needak
Rebounder at the following pricing:

Folding193.00 + 24.00 s/h = $217.00
Non Folding176.99 + 29.00 s/h = $205.99

The folding model comes with a carrying case, a couple of exercise booklets,
and a video on the immune system.   Check it out at
http://www.yournutrition.com/mini-trampoline.html if interested.   I'm
considering this myself, so any comments/opinions are welcomed!

Happy Bouncing!!  ;-) Ruth

- Original Message - 
From: Craig Chamberlin cchamber...@itsmyplace.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 4:12 AM
Subject: Re: CSRe: rebounding


 Hi Hanneke,

 Thanks for clarifying...I just happen to be fortunate.  Apparently I am
 relatively free of toxins, and healthy in spite of my sedentary
 lifestyle (which is changingg).  I believe that is what allowed me to
 do this for 3 minutes, 3 x a day to start with.  But, I knew what to
 expect if I was overdoing it.

 No one should do rebounding without understanding that they could have a
 very bad experience, as you have outlined.

 But again, I want to emphasize, this is not a cheap
 mini-trampoline...Been there done that, as Ole Bob would say, and it is
 very unpleasant.

 I again offer to anyone who emails me off-list, a source for the Needak
 Rebounder who discounts it by $50 versus the factory price, plus
 shipping.  Again, I receive nothing and have no financial interest in
 this.  I do have a personal interest, in that this person sold the
 Needak rebounder to me at a savings...and would like to see her continue
 to do so for others.

 One additional comment...if you are fighting some of the more persistent
 problems with CS (can't come up with a better word), like Lyme, etc.,
 this is the best way, so far, of getting the dead stuff out of your
 body, with a minimum of effort.  But, as Hanneke says...go slow.

 Ciao,

 Craig

  Agreeing wholeheartedly about the benefits of using a rebounder, I
  would like to give a little warning though:long time non exercisers ie
  couch potatoes would be wise to take it easy in the beginning.  Not
  every one would be able to start off with 3 minutes 3x per day.
  Rebounding has a profound effect on your lymph system, even the gentle
  bouncing where the feet don't even leave the mat.  As a beginner one
  might experience incredible fatique, nausea, or just feel totally off,
  and not even thinking of the rebounder being responsible.  The lymph
  starts moving, toxins begin to move, and although that's what we want
  to achieve, build up slowly.  Again, this is not happening to everyone
  but it does happen.  Start off with even only 1 minute 2x or 3x per
  day, you might feel on clouds already after 30 secs, gentle bouncing
  and slowly build it up. Listen to your body!! Happy bouncing  An
  example of the other benefits...I had been a couch potato for years
  (programmer, designer, etc.)...I had no muscle tone...after the first
  10 days of
  rebounding gently for three minutes three times a day, my legs,
  calves, arms, etc.,
 
 
 





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Re: CSRe: rebounding

2003-08-01 Thread Craig Chamberlin

Hi Charles,

I have no idea, but seems as though it would likely do something.

Ciao,

Craig

 Will one of those rubber cages found at Wall Mart and Sam's Wholesale,
 that the kids bounce on do the same thing??


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CSRe: New and Confused

  Is the neck-tie a symbol of a noose or a leash?
 Ode
Fashion statement, but your point is well-taken:
http://www.tieguys.com/information/history.shtml
http://www.croata.hr/en/hystory.htm
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Re: CSRe: rebounding

2003-08-01 Thread Robert Berger

HAVE YOU NOT BOUNCED THIS THING ENOUGH???

Ole Bob




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CSKaopectate

2003-08-01 Thread Henry Holland Simms

Pectin creates a jell.Kaolin does too plus the absorption.Double acting 
to stop the trots.Pectin used with fruit produces jelly.


Holland


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Re: CSRe: New and Confused

2003-08-01 Thread colloidal . silver

If you look at old traditional neck ties they basically were scarves, but
then poor folks started keeping silverware in them, and probably anything
that could be pilfered too... So Personally it's my viewpoint that the
hanging version of the necktie we see today got it's form from necessity...
Now,  of coarse your hard core separatist feminists with naturally call it a
phallic symbol etc.. etc... But remember, back then a sore throat often
meant fatal illness, so you needed to keep your neck and face warm etc...
These poor folks did not have C.S. !!!

Regards,
Alexander

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From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: CSRe: New and Confused


 Actually I have read it is a phallic symbol.

 Marshall

 Ode Coyote wrote:

   Is the neck-tie a symbol of a noose or a leash?
  Ode
 
  At 07:13 PM 7/31/2003 -0700, you wrote:
  Jack writes:
  ...Also I found that there are people and Doctors who
  reccomend REBOUNDING on a trampoline. Now I
  once had read that rebounding might help alleviate
  an astigmatism...
  Yes, I heard about the trampoline, too.  Something about
  it forcess the lymph glands to do their job better.
  Also, there was a report on the news last night about
  the long-term negative effect of men wearing neck-ties
  on their vision, from circulatory problems.
  Old and still confused,
  jr
  
  
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Re: CSthe wrong generator

2003-08-01 Thread John A. Stanley

In article 20030801023233.713.qm...@web13001.mail.yahoo.com,
Sue sue4nepe...@yahoo.com wrote:
All right, I'm a flunky.  I bought a CS generator before I new this
list existed and now I'm thinking I've a loser machine.  Is anyone
familiar with teh Colloid Master Model 777 Universal by Synergenesis? 
Is this junk that I should chalk up to ignorance or is does it make
okay CS?

I've been using a Colloid Master for several years, and I'm delighted
with it. However, there is one thing you have to add before it will make
optimal quality CS: some sort of stirring mechanism. I use an aquarium
bubbler, but some regard that as an inferior stirring method, as it can
introduce impurities. I use the bubbler because it's so simple, and I'm
too lazy to add a more complicated stirring mechanism. I did, however,
open up the bubbler, and I found a piece of foam filter on its air
intake. Also, our house is made of non-toxic, non-outgassing materials,
so I'm not particularly worried that the air I breathe on a daily basis
is being bubbled through my CS. To make the bubbling action a bit
gentler, I poked a pin into the air hose, making a tiny hole that bleeds
off some of the air.

You can see a couple pics of my set-up here:

http://butthead.natel.net/cs/

The white lid is from the half-gallon Rubbermaid container that I used
before switching to the one-gallon suntea jar, and I simply made a
couple knife slits two inches apart and jammed the silver electrodes in.
There is just enough electrode sticking up through the lid to which to
attach the aligator clips.

As was mentioned in another email, this unit is pretty slow. Personally,
I don't have a problem with that because we only need a gallon per week,
and I always start a new batch immediately after decanting off a new
batch. And, by decanting, I mean that I use the spigot in the suntea jar
to draw off the middle 3/4 gallon or so after I've let the CS settle for
a day or two. My CS is clear in color and completely stable in sunlight.

-- 
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Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ...

a quick search on google will show it is clay, mined directly from the
ground.  Florida is a producer, but not much compared to Africa.

- Original Message - 
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, August 01, 2003 9:57 AM
Subject: Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ...

 I might be wrong, but I always thought that the kaolin was like activated
 charcoal, and absorbs toxins, so they pass on out the system without
getting
 into the blood steam.  I haven't a clue as to what the pectin does.

 Marshall

 Charles Sutton wrote:

  forgot to add that the clay is kaolin and pectin is from the apple. You
can
  buy Kaopectate in any drugstore.   There are a lot of kaolin mines in
  Florida, I can dig it up by the shovelfull for free.  How does it relate
to
  the others?

   Kaopectate is clay and apple.  I wonder if you could mix CS with that?

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   From: Jack Dayton jack...@harbornet.com
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   Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 6:36 AM
   Subject: Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ...

Jason Eaton  7/31/03  5:47 AM

 I was hoping that the further research would begin to unveil the
 mysteries of clay healing from a scientific viewpoint.  Sadly, it
has
   done
 exactly the opposite!

Thanks for that entire post  about the
mysteries of the various properties of
clay in many of it's forms, now I wont
have to ask WHY clay does anything
beneficial, - I thought it was for tennis
courts, and ceramics only.

I can't imagine eating clay, but I have
read of people who do so compulsively.
( A mineral deficiency? )

Jack

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Re: CSRe: rebounding

2003-08-01 Thread John A. Stanley

In article 3f2a2ef8.65a1b...@itsmyplace.com,
Craig Chamberlin cchamber...@itsmyplace.com wrote:

But again, I want to emphasize, this is not a cheap
mini-trampoline...Been there done that, as Ole Bob would say, and it is
very unpleasant.

I again offer to anyone who emails me off-list, a source for the Needak
Rebounder...

We used to have a $60 rebounder from the sporting goods store, and it
was very unpleasant to use. We bought a used Needak, and the difference
is like night and day. The Needak has a gentle, flowing springiness
whereas the spring action of the cheapie was jarring.
 
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Re: CSNew and Confused

2003-08-01 Thread David S Osborne

How about the Al Carter REBOUNDAIRE .looks like it might be a
better deal for the same money???
davido


On Thu, 31 Jul 2003 17:24:07 -0700 Craig Chamberlin c...@itsmyplace.com
writes:
 Hi,
 
 My wife, myself, and a handful of others can attest to the magic of 
 a
 rebounder...albeit, not just a mini-trampoline.  These rebounders 
 are an
 entirely different critter and cost at retail $250 plus.
 
 Rebounders are used by NASA astronauts in space, with a special 
 rubber
 band to provide the opposite pull, to keep them in condition and to 
 prevent bone
 loss.
 
 It is true that your many people's eyesite will improve.  It is also 
 true
 for most folks, that problems like emphysema can be helped 
 immensely.  The reason
 that the rebounders work so well, is that they move the lymph system 
 like nothing
 else can.  After two-three minutes of just light bouncing, your 
 white blood cell
 count will increase dramatically.
 
 An example of the other benefits...I had been a couch potato for 
 years
 (programmer, designer, etc.)...I had no muscle tone...after the 
 first 10 days of
 rebounding gently for three minutes three times a day, my legs, 
 calves, arms, etc.,
 
 were firm.  The reason why this works is complex, and better 
 explained by
 someone who is up on the mechanism.  If you are interested, I can 
 have someone else
 
 explain it and post it here.
 
 If you are interested in one of the good quality Needak rebounders, 
 I know of
 someone who sells them for $200 plus shipping...and no I have no 
 interest
 nor am I benefited by someone buying one...it's just where I got 
 mine:)
 
 Now wrt CS, I am certain that the combination would be dynamite:)
 
 Ciao,
 
 Craig
 
  Jack Dayton  7/31/03   11:55 AM
 
   OG  7/31/03  12:21 PM  wrote:
  
   I have emphysema and chronic bronchitis, and have constantly 
 fought off
   colds/lung problem with the normal rounds of antibiotics, going 
 from one to
   another to another as my body would build up an immunity to 
 them.
  
  **
  I replied:
   I was  diagnosed with emphasema, COPD, and asthma.
   In January, after nearly 60 years of smoking, I QUIT !!
   Well fust quiting caused a noticible improvement in
   my breathing, and my asthma attacks had stopped,
   I guess I was allergic to smoking :-)  .
  Well it must have been lunch time because I certainly
  had no intention of ending my response that way.
  ( I didn't even use the spell-checker, and  it shows.)
 
  It has been 6 months since I quit smoking - think of
  the money I'm saving :-)  .
 
  This is what has transpired since I quit. I no longer need
  either of my inhalers,  - no more asthma attacks.
 
  I have returned all of the oxygen equipment which
  I previously needed. I had both a large Concentrator
  and a small portable ( shoulder strap) type for trips away
  from home.
  I got a nebulizer through my insurance (HMO) company
  and began a regimen of CS, and later a combination of
  DMSO / CS  1 / 10  ratio twice daily to help clear up what
  I considered a low-grade infection  - had a frequent cough
  and a lot of phlegm.  Now I seldom use my nebulizer as
  the few times that I do cough in the evening, I consider as
  acceptable after the amount of damage all of these years.
 
  I never expect my lung capacity to get back to nor mal,
  but I am managing to increase my walking distance, and
  every day activities around the home no longer leave me
  breathing hard.
 
  I have discovered that there are a few alternative
  approaches to reducing the debilitating effects of
  emphysema - one I am working on with noticeable
  results is simply changing the way that I had been
  breathing - short in and out.  TRY taking deep, down
  in the belly breaths, and exhaling through pursed lips.
 
  Also I found that there are people and Doctors who
  reccomend REBOUNDING on a trampoline. Now I
  once had read that rebounding might help alleviate
  an astigmatism.
 
  There are small portable trampolines available, but
  I haven't tried that yet.
  Spend some searching with google.com - there is a
  vast amount of information to be found  OUT THERE
  ( reminds me of Twilight Zone)
 
  In another part of your letter you stated in part:
 
  I have gone to dozens of sites, and each says this is the best 
 and this is why
  you should buy ours, our method is best the other ones are wrong 
 .
  batteries, electric, silver rods, silver discs, clear, yellow, 
 brown, use
  salt, don't use salt, it will turn you blue (at this point who 
 cares),
  .  I'm sure you get the picture.  To someone who is new, 
 how does
  one tell just what is best and who is just trying to sell.
 
  I read Ode Coyote's reply to your letter,  you would be
  VERY hard pressed to find a more honest man
  ( Ken,  please send the check to .. :-)
  both of the URLs  he lists should be thoroughly read.
 
  Oh, by the way ---  welcome to the Silver List.
 
  Jack Dayton
 
 
 
 
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CSNeedak Rebounder

2003-08-01 Thread Sandy . Green

Who has the best prices in Canada?

Sandy

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CSRe: Needak Rebounder

 Who has the best prices in Canada?

eBay has several:
http://makeashorterlink.com/?T19432775
jr


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CSRe: The Ol' Bob Mike M. debate...

2003-08-01 Thread AScottSilver

E... Okay:

So I guess I won't be looking for the book at amazon.com any time soon.

Best wishes,
Andy

From: Ode Coyote
Bottom line:
You are the only thing that cannot be destroyed. But you certainly can 
misdefine what you think you are...and that misdefinition defines your self 
validating illusions of reality.
..which is how reality 'as we each know it' is created.
Vision depends upon NOT seeing everything. If you could see everything there 
is to see, you'd be completely and absolutely blind. Vision depends on focus, 
but the more clearly you see any one thing, the less you can see of everything 
else.
The final truth behind the illusion is that there is no 'each'.
This is difficult to keep in mind when every illusion proves itself to your 
satisfaction. If it doesn't, you create another illusion that does.
But then, all the proofs are contained within the illusion.
It's especially difficult to keep in mind when the very idea of 'me' depends 
upon misdefining mind. [Because any definition at all has to be incomplete..by 
definition..because mind has no limits or boundaries or locations to 
define]

Clue: The mind is not in the brain. The brain is held in the mind as a symbol 
of location. All objects are symbols with meanings that vary depending on 
point of view. The brain does not think, it sorts though all of thought and 
selects those that successfully don't contradict the program it is 
running...and 
denies all others.
If the program is so conflicted as to crash, the brain changes it and selects 
different thoughts to back up and confirm the change. [but no program is 
without fatal conflicts, so, programs don't crash...denial does. No program 
could 
run at all without denial.]

Oddly, the closer you examine anything with the sincere desire to know what 
it really is and the idea that you don't already know, the more it goes away.

You don't exist, therefore, cannot be destroyed. [???]
Or is that, You are real 'because' nothing at all is?

Each of us is only that one mind taking different points of view in a common 
loosly defined [misdefined] field of symbology...which can only be done by 
denying to some extent that other points of view are valid. [This is the 
function 
that the black or white-out tool 'ego' serves. This is this, therefore, it is 
not that.]
Just what is it that tells a drop of water how big it is when it's in an 
ocean of water? [It's 'unreal' sense of self vs all that it denies being 
it...but all senses depend on denial.]

Fear is not real. It's a tool we use to make things SEEM real.
After all, how much fun is a roller coaster if you're not scared?

Adventure is defined as that which you'd rather not happen [because it's so 
darned scary ], but are glad it did...after the fact.

Waxing Phil Asophical
..makes him shine up nice, ey? 

[Fellow thrill seeker pretending to want security]
Ode

At 12:19 AM 8/1/2003 -0700, you wrote: 

Andy:

I won't be ready to write my real book until I'm done caring about this 
world. The truth is simply just too painful and overwhelmingly joyous at the 
same 
time -- and also exceedingly dangerous. It takes quite alot of illusion ( for 
us as people ) to maintain coherant consciousness in this world which is so 
seperated from nature, where the lines of division have been drawn knowingly by 
hands which touch far more than the fabric of society... None of us is an 
exception to the rule. Indeed, our enemy has always been both ignorance and the 
power of knowledge. It's a double-edged sword that slices at both ends of the 
extremes and it is a self-sustaining system.

I enjoyed Levi's writing style... Although I have always disagreed, 
occasionally venemously, with the hermetic traditions of masking things 
within 
secrecy and placing blinds within knowledge. I spent quite some time in my 
very-younger days attempting to penetrate the 33+ levels of the mystery 
schools, with a 
touch of success here and there. I probably would have never been open to the 
idea of colloidal silver had I not ( ironically enough ).

One of my favorite quotes ( paraphrased, I believe )

Fear not. What is not real never has been and never shall be. What is real 
always was and cannot be destroyed.

This is an abstract philosophical riddle that has a solution, or solvent, 
written into a hypothetical conceptual absolute. The riddle states that the 
final 
answer to fear lies in the fundamental definition of reality... That this 
solution can be comprehended by simply observing two facts in nature: What is 
real and what is not. Further, it provides the needed definition of reality as 
a 
starting point. Ironically, the only way to solve it is finding something that 
cannot be destroyed, as one would have to wait eternity to see what truly 
remained otherwise.

The value comes in agonizing over any possible solvents to the riddle. The 
conclusions are stunning if one chooses to accept the fundamental starting 
point 
-- conceptually. The implications are

CSno kaolin in kaopectate? was, Re: CSBurn treatment with bentonite and CS ...

2003-08-01 Thread sol

What I have here is Kaopectate caplets, and the active ingredient is
listed as attapulgite. No Kaolin, no pectin. Pectin is 6th in line in
the inactive ingredients listing.
What???
paula
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From: Charles Sutton cds...@earthlink.net


 a quick search on google will show it is clay, mined directly from
the
 ground.  Florida is a producer, but not much compared to Africa.

 
   forgot to add that the clay is kaolin and pectin is from the
apple. You
 can
   buy Kaopectate in any drugstore.




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Re: CSNew and Confused

2003-08-01 Thread Craig Chamberlin

Hi David,

I am reluctant to post, since Ole Bob has chastised me on this subject:)

 How about the Al Carter REBOUNDAIRE .looks like it might be a
 better deal for the same money???
 davido

I honestly couldn't say, I did a Copernic search on the word REBOUNDAIRE and
came up with nothing...do you have a link?  Carter was working for/with
Needak...maybe he moved on.

Oh, yes...CS is great stuff, I use it all the time:)

Ciao,

Craig




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CSRe: CS book

 ...Tell Mike on my behalf I have been
 through these battles before...it is far
 too brutal for the gentle inhabitants of the Silver List
as in:
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59221.html ?
Thanks, Warren; great post and good luck with the book!
jr


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CSRe: CS book

2003-08-01 Thread AScottSilver

Oh good...

Someone else who might be writing a book.

Dear Warren,

Exactly what is your question?

There are several independent labs that will analyze your CS for a fee. They 
use different equipment and different methods. Who did you send your sample 
to? Who else did you send a sample to? What were the results? Did you do the 
math? If your deadline supersedes accuracy, then maybe you should be writing a 
children's book instead.

There are a lot of sharp people on this list that can help you if you can be 
little more specific.

Regards,
Andy

From: Warren Jefferson
I'm doing this book on CS and have been talking with Mike Monett about
including his generator design. The one using a single 9 volt battery.
Well I built one for myself to test with the instructions he turned over
to public domain recently. He helped me along the way and I sent him
digital photos of the progress. He thought it looked like it should. So
after brewing  a couple of batches I sent out two samples for testing.
One reading came back as 8.36 ppm and one read 10.05 ppm or something
very close to that. I don't have those reports here where I am at this
evening. It has no TE and is crystal clear. So I am quite pleased with
Mike's design. I plan to have it analyzed for particle and ion content
as well. But Mike thought those readings were low and that maybe it
wasn't such a good design after all. I know he did not want his CS
analyzed for some reason and I knew he had issues with Frank and Ole
Bob. But I want to feel confident about the information in the book and
so felt compelled to have it tested. I really didn't want to get in the
middle of this thing. I would like to keep his 9 volt design in because
it is so simple and cheap with one battery and it has a long brew time,
6-8 hours. You don't have to watch it so closely as with others. And it
make pretty good CS.

I need to turn the book over to the publisher next week so I am in
crunch time.

We talked about Mike Devour's suggestion of having his own CS
independently tested but he said. Tell Mike on my behalf I have been
through these battles before. It takes about three months, and it is far
too brutal for the gentle inhabitants of the Silver List. He also said
he disconnected from the Silver List and that he was no longer
interested. You guys who know him, do you think he will come to his
senses? Maybe someone should connect with him.

Warren

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