Re: CS

[ronwilson]

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Re: CSDetecting Silver In The Blood

[Ode Coyote]

   Might be more useful to discover what form the silver is in rather than
what form it's not in.
 I don't see how an ion can live in the blood either and likely it's not
and IS being bound up with something, but ionic silver does seem to work.
Perhaps it become released again when whatever it's tied up in contacts a
micro organism.
 Heck fire..I dunno!  And it's pretty likely that no one else does either.
 Is there any way to specifically test for 'silver chloride' in the blood
and in elimination substances?
 What really does happen to silver oxide when it hits the 'system'?  Silver
peroxide?
 How is it that a really really small silver particle can be brown?
 Do single silver oxide/peroxide molecules present more silver surface area
to the environment than  pure silver clusters a hundred times larger in
diameter?

 This probably isn't a case of right and wrong ways.  More like, right ways
and 'mo-betta' right ways.

 Myself, I like to make CS that has a good strong TE.  That way both worlds
rotate like worlds tend to do while we're trying to call one of them flat.
[Could be face cubic] :-)
 Meanwhile, everyone on both planets walks on the dirt under their feet and
all of them manage to get around somehow.

Ode

At 07:55 PM 3/17/2004 -0500, you wrote:
The Herx reaction is evidence that something germicidal made it into the
bloodstream,
but it does not mean that the something was ionic silver. The silver
particles that are present
in ionic silver products will enter the bloodstream and produce those
results.

My point is that if it is ionic silver, why can't an ISE measure their
presence? Atomic
absorption/emission can detect the presence of silver in the blood, but the
ISE finds
no silver ions.

Frank Key

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From: Matthew McCann PE
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 6:21 PM
Subject: CSDetecting Silver In The Blood


Hi, Frank!

The Herxheimer reaction gives some evidence that
something germicidal has made it into the bloodstream.
This could be put on a quantitative basis by a bioassay
procedure.

A more compelling demonstration would be occurrence of
a Herxheimer reaction following the transfusion of blood
to recipient who had not ingested EIS, from a donor who
had ingested EIS. This, of course, would not prove the
silver was still ionized. But it would prove that a
germicidal agent existed in the bloodstream.

Best regards,

Matthew



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Re: CSDetecting Silver In The Blood

[Del]

Frank:

Just to see if I understand your position correctly, and also to ask a
few questions:

The colloidal silver that most of us make with home generators is
about 85-90 % ionic, as is much of the CS that is sold commercially.
Your argument is that the silver ions combine with chloride ions in the
body very quickly and that the resulting combination has no (or less?)
antimicrobial utility?  The admitted fact that these products ARE
effective in combating viral and bacterial infections is therefore due
to the action of the 10-15% of the solution that is particulate?  Is
that correct?

If the consumption of ionic CS results in silver chloride in the
bloodstream, wouldn't this create a greater danger of argyria?  I have
heard repeatedly that consumption of silver salts, such as silver
chloride, WILL cause argyria in time - yet consumption of primarily
ionic CS does not seem to do this.  You have stated that there is no
proof of measurable ionic silver circulating in the bloodstream, but is
there proof of measurable silver chloride?  Is there proof that the
silver ions convert so quickly to silver chloride in the bloodstream and
that they remain in that form?

If I understand correctly, the product you produce is primarily
particulate, consisting of very very small particles of silver.  People
who have used this report that it is very effective, but is there more
danger of argyria from this product?  Or are the particles so small that
they are easily transported out of the body?  Any studies on this?

I saw an email from Jason a while back (where is he by the way?  I have
not seen anything from him in quite a while.) that concluded that nobody
really knows enough about the action of CS in the body to be certain
whether silver ions or silver particles are more effective, and that it
is probably good that what most of us use has both.  Apparently you
disagree, but do you see any actual harm in using ionic CS, other than
its (supposed) lesser degree of effectiveness?

Just wondering...

Del

- Original Message - 
From: Frank Key fr...@colloidalsciencelab.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 7:55 PM
Subject: Re: CSDetecting Silver In The Blood


The Herx reaction is evidence that something germicidal made it into
the
bloodstream,
but it does not mean that the something was ionic silver. The silver
particles that are present
in ionic silver products will enter the bloodstream and produce those
results.




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Re: CSBREAKING NEWS: UPDATE ON FDA AND CS GETTING OUT OF THE BOX?

[Ode Coyote]

  What I don't understand is how the same drugs can be bought for a lot
less from Canada..then instead of just doing that, the gov't decides to
subsidize the local product..that's probably made at the same factory.
 Like, if we can sell it to Canada and buy it back cheaper than we can sell
it to ourselves...something's amiss. When does adding 16 middlemen reduce
the price?
..and the Gov't comes up with NAFTA so we can have, uhmm free trade, but
doesn't take advantage of it's own setup and gets all whiney when others do.

  Why does highly processed white bread cost less than unprocessed whole
wheat bread?

 Stuff just don't add up sometimes.
Ode

 Warning:  These sleep aid pills may cause drowsiness


At 09:21 PM 3/17/2004 -0500, you wrote:
Hear Ye CS'ers


It'll make you ill, but there's a pretty good summary of the FDA antics,
the drug co's, the lobbyists and congress hearings etc etc; in the
current issue of the Life Extension Magazine. Immagine there's a bunch on
their web-site too.

Anybody see some of the crap presented in the senate hearings and there
was a forum/panel presented on C-span this past week, about the fear
campaign's being waged ref drug imports...   just all sickening.


Some good news ref CS.Don't know if it's available on line, but try
to get hold of a copy of Popular Mechanics, April 04, page 78, titled  
Smart Threads.
Don't want to tantalize those who cant get hold of the mag.  There were
two web addresses given:www.marmot.comand  www.hotchillys.com   I
havn't looked at either.


the genie out of the bottle???gosh, I hope so!!!

davido


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Re: CSQuestions to Rosemary Jacobs and answers from Rosemary Jacobs

[Ode Coyote]

I missed the part where he used salt. Hadn't heard about the black part.

 I've made really really really strong CS in pure distilled with current
controls that looked like skimmed milk when viewed in a sunbeam ...for a
few days, [ie:  no color and very thick looking]  then turned black as
night.  It was probably hundreds of PPM. [useless meter readings in the
high 70s low 80s uS]

Ode

 You left out that he used tap water also and the stuff he was drinking
 was black.
 Dave


Let's hope that's fair warning to all to not drink black or brown CS :)

Dan






 fig...@comcast.net wrote:

  GREAT FALLS, Montana (AP) -- Montana's Libertarian candidate for Senate
has
  turned blue from drinking a silver solution that he believed would
protect
  him from disease.
  Stan Jones,a 63-year-old business consultant and part-time college
  instructor, said he started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear
that
  Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics.
  He made his own concoction by electrically charging a couple of silver
wires
  in a glass of water.
  
 
  The above man's argyria came from making CS that used salt to increase
  conductivity. I heard this from someone close to the case.
 
  Dan
 
 



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Re: CSMisc.

[Ode Coyote]

  I had a customer call the other day who swears by CS for mastitis.
 Interestingly, the only LAW I've ever seen [years ago] about using CS
had to do with using it on milk cows.
 Dairy farmers who have milk tested would do well to give ole Bessy a few
days off and keep the CS bottle well hidden.

Ode

At 11:00 PM 3/17/2004 -0500, you wrote:
Last year a woman whom I buy goat milk from told me
one of her best milkers had mastitis. I suggested she
inject CS into the teat, which she did. Later, she
said that the mastitis teat was now a better milk
producer than the other one.

A man called me a month ago and discussed his 8-year
old daughter with me. She has a very fragile immune
system. She has Downs Syndrome and gets sick every
winter, badly enough to require hospitalization
several months out of each winter. There, the doctors
fill her with antibiotics and steroids to keep her
alive. She starts getting sick as soon as the weather
starts getting cold, and pretty much stays on
antibiotics and steroids all winter.

The father ordered 3 gallons of CS from me and started
giving his daughter 4 tblspns, 3Xday. 

Last night he called to order more CS. He said his
daughter is off all medications, is not sick at all -
in fact his other two normal kids both have colds, but
not this daughter. This is amazing, he says, since if
anyone else in the family ever gets sick, his daughter
is automatically next. I also suggested he feed her
nutritional yeast, which he has been doing, and
Concentrace twice a day. He says she is doing better
now than she has ever done before. 

I received a call from a HF store owner who sells my
CS. He reported that one of his customers told him
that she had erased her bladder infection in 2 days by
drinking one ounce of CS every 2 hours while awake.

Terry Chamberlin
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Re: CSOT Natural WOrmers

[Ode Coyote]

 Didn't primitive peoples mix some wood ash in with  food to get rid of
worms in themselves?

ode

At 10:49 PM 3/17/2004 -0800, you wrote:
Jean, or anyone who knows, what do you use to naturally worm large 
animals like Cows and Ponies and LLamas?
I was just at the feedstore and all they have is chemicals. I want to 
actually feel safe eating the cows.

Thanks!
Sharon


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Re: CSColloidal silver and bladder infection

[sandee George]

I love this one T.J. looks as if Mannatech has a
competitor    Do you mind if I copy you ?  smile
Regards
Sandee

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CSmark metcalf/ rosmary jacobs debate

[Ode Coyote]

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Re: CSReversing Argyria

[Matthew McCann PE]

Good Morning, Sharon.

Thank you for your thought-provoking insight.
It reminds me of the Arthur Conan Doyle story of
the watchdog that did not bark in the night.

The most conspicuous lack of melanin in some
Africans is in their nails. Maybe Caucasians share this
trait with their brothers and sisters in Africa and
the Melanesian Pacific Islands and the indigenous
First Nations of the New World, but don't even
realize it. This suggests the hypothesis that, indeed,
the nails are a window to the lower layers of the
dermis. And that this is where we should look for
the earliest warning of incipient argyria.

Best regards,

Matthew
- Original Message - 
From: Sharon tala...@teleport.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: CSReversing Argyria


 Most likely not. I doubt that it would appear as obviously on someone 
 dark skinned. Maybe you would see it in the nails though.
 Sharon
 
 There is something that does give me pause, though,
 about the testing and dispensing of CS and Tetrasil in
 Zaire, Ghana, Mexico and Honduras.
 If argyria occurred in Africa or Central America, would
 anybody notice it? Or care?
 
 Matthew
 
 
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Re: CSNatural WOrmers

[cvincer]

Hi Jean, I'm interested, but agree it would be better addressed off list.  
How about the Off-Topic list so everyone on this list who is interested can 
be informed? 

Thanks for the info.  cvin...@ala.net Vince 

oldgl...@bigcountry.net writes: 

Hi Sharon, 


I will privately send you some recipes I've collected.  I'm sure most people
on this list aren't interested.  :) 

Jean Baugh 


*


Jean, or anyone who knows, what do you use to naturally worm large
animals like Cows and Ponies and LLamas?
I was just at the feedstore and all they have is chemicals. I want to
actually feel safe eating the cows. 


Thanks!
Sharon 

 

 


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Re: CSDetecting Silver In The Blood

[Marshall Dudley]

I don't believe that could be compelling.  A herx like reaction could be
brought on if the blood had a pathogen in it, and the person receiving
the blood had an immune response to it, or if it had antibodies in it
that attacked something the receiver had already.  It could even be
brought on if the person who received the blood were highly allergic to
something the donor had eaten or smoked or been exposed to.

Marshall

Matthew McCann PE wrote:

 Hi, Frank! The Herxheimer reaction gives some evidence thatsomething
 germicidal has made it into the bloodstream.This could be put on a
 quantitative basis by a bioassayprocedure. A more compelling
 demonstration would be occurrence ofa Herxheimer reaction following
 the transfusion of bloodto recipient who had not ingested EIS, from a
 donor whohad ingested EIS. This, of course, would not prove thesilver
 was still ionized. But it would prove that agermicidal agent existed
 in the bloodstream. Best regards, Matthew

Re: CSMaking CG

[Marshall Dudley]

Somehow that does not make sense. Chelation works by basically boxing a metal
atom inside of a box, so it gets trapped and can get transported out. Normally
chelation agents are not metallic to start with.  I don't see how this could
be.

I would be interested in seeing some information to support this.

From what I understood the tons of gold that were used for processing uranium
in the 50's was used to make the wiring in the diffusion units because it has
the highest electrical conductivity available.

Marshall

TJ Garland wrote:

 A reasearcher here says that gold and titanium are the only  two things to
 chelate flourine from the body. ORNL has used thousands of tons of Flourine
 to process  uranium here in Oak Ridge.

 TJ Garland, CMO supplier
there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people.

 From: Trem t...@silvergen.com
 Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSMaking CG
 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:45:20 -0800
 
 Hi Paula,
 
 I just drink it on the assumption it may do me some good and I'm sure it
 will not harm me so why not do it if I have it available.
 
 There's nothing wrong with me that I know of.   I just take CS and CG to
 stay that way.
 
 Trem
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 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 1:22 PM
 Subject: [silver_list] Re: CSMaking CG
 
 
   Trem,
 What do you use the CG for?
   paula
  
 
 
 
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Re: CSDetecting Silver In The Blood

[Frank Key]

Mike wrote:

 That said, I do have to ask:  Why should we expect the silver in the
 bloodstream still to be ionic? If it is complexed with something that
 the body is using as a transport mechanism, is there any reason to see
 it in a test for silver ions?

Perhaps the issue of looking for ionic silver in the bloodstream may stem
from the in vitro tests of ionic silver that demonstrate it killing
pathogens in the lab. The claims imply that if ionic silver can kill
pathogens in a petri dish, it can do the same thing in the bloodstream. The
problem is that no one has ever found that silver ions can exist inside the
human body.

If ionic silver is complexed and circulated with the blood, where is the
evidence that would demonstrate the existence of such a mechanism?

How does silver get complexed when the first thing it encounters upon
ingestion is the stomach acid (HCL)? When ionic silver  mixes with HCL it
only takes a few seconds to precipitate to silver chloride. Saliva mixed
with ionic silver does not prevent the silver chloride precipitation from
HCL. Silver chloride is insoluble once formed. Some of it may be absorbed
into the bloodstream, but it is not known to have strong antimicrobial
properties.

In seems much more likely that it is the silver particles, which typically
account for about 10% of the total silver in ionic silver products,  that
are getting into the bloodstream and killing the pathogens. That was also
the conclusion of Prof. Ronald Gibbs and others at the University of
Delaware when they were doing their investigation.

 Does your high-particulate product show up in the bloodstream as ions,
 or something else? Does ionic silver end up in the bloodstream, but
 just not as free ions available for an ISE measurement?

When colloidal silver particles are ingested, silver can be detected in the
bloodstream within 15 minutes using atomic absorption/emission, but no
silver ions are detectable in the blood using an ISE.

For silver particles to be converted into silver ions inside the body would
require that something inside the body be capable of ionizing those
particles. In theory there is no substance in the body that is capable of
ionizing metallic silver. To the best of my knowledge, it has never been
demonstrated that metallic silver can be ionized in the body. Hydrochloric
acid in the stomach will not effect metallic silver. The acids and other
substances that can ionize metallic silver are not found in the body.

This group may find it interesting that some silver products on the market
have been found to contain little or no silver. See:
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html#results


Frank Key




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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: CSDetecting Silver In The Blood


 Frank writes:
  My point is that if it is ionic silver, why can't an ISE measure their
  presence? Atomic absorption/emission can detect the presence of silver
  in the blood, but the ISE finds no silver ions.

 Thank you for your continued presence and contribution to our list,
 Frank. Indeed I appreciate the information about silver products you've
 shared with the community at large.

 That said, I do have to ask:  Why should we expect the silver in the
 bloodstream still to be ionic? If it is complexed with something that
 the body is using as a transport mechanism, is there any reason to see
 it in a test for silver ions?

 Does your high-particulate product show up in the bloodstream as ions,
 or something else? Does ionic silver end up in the bloodstream, but
 just not as free ions available for an ISE measurement?

 Thanks!

 Mike D.


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CSFeed Store supplies B12

[Rowena Evans]

Thanks again to the lister who suggested looking in the feed store for DMSO.  
Visited again today and came away with 5 kg borax and a big bottle of H2O2.  
Beats buying it in little prissy containers at top dollar.  Also spotted some 
injectable B12 which I propose adding to DMSO  CS to apply to the skin once or 
twice a month.  So many leads from this site!
Rowena

CSDetecting Silver In The Blood

[Matthew McCann PE]

Hi, Marshall,

I see your point. Further refinements would be needed
to make it a compelling demonstration. Extraneous Herx-like
reactions would need to be eliminated by taking
blood samples and doing routine tests.
In-vivo experiments with lab animals would also
bring more control into the experiments, while still
preserving the chief purpose of the experiment, i.e.,
detecting silver in the blood.

Best regards,

Matthew

CSWhite bread

[Dan Nave]

Ode asked: 

Why does highly processed white bread cost less than unprocessed
whole
wheat bread?

Apparently it is easier to de-germ (or whatever the technical name is
for the process) and mill white flour than it is to mill and use whole
wheat flour.  (or at least it was in the past...)  

Incidently, white bread has more protein per unit weight than whole
wheat bread...

Dan





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RE: CSNatural WOrmers

[Richard Harris]

Hi Jean,

As a seeker on this Site, I (age 81) am proud to continually learn new
things that I might share with other seekers--Would you please send me
these helpful recipes too? Thanks.

If I can be of help, please let me know.

Sincerely,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSNatural WOrmers


Hi Sharon,

I will privately send you some recipes I've collected.  I'm sure most people
on this list aren't interested.  :)

Jean Baugh

*

 Jean, or anyone who knows, what do you use to naturally worm large
 animals like Cows and Ponies and LLamas?
 I was just at the feedstore and all they have is chemicals. I want to
 actually feel safe eating the cows.

 Thanks!
 Sharon





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RE: CSQuestion for Brooks Bradley/re:SmartWater

[Richard Harris]

My thanks  compliments for researching and sharing with us seekers. 
Sincerely,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

-Original Message-
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Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:37 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSQuestion for Brooks Bradley/re:SmartWater


Doing a Google search I came across these two
sugar-free Gatorade alternatives:

ChampionLyte
http://www.ChampionLyte.com

This is a bottled product sweetened with
Splenda(sucralose)

and

Ultima Replenisher Sports Drink
http://www.ultimareplenisher.com

This is a powdered mix that contains electolytes,
vitamins and other good stuff. A quote from their
site:

Ultima Replenisher is naturally colored, flavored,
and sweetened. As a company, Ultima Health Products is
opposed to using artificial ingredients. Our colors
come from beets, beta carotene and the 'B' vitamins.
Our flavors come from lemons, oranges and berries. Our
sweetener is an extract from lo han guo, a fruit
similar to kiwi fruit.

I think the Ultima would be the better choice.

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Re: CSMaking CG

[Ode Coyote]

I believe silver beats gold in conductivity.
 Gold beats silver for inertness
Ode

From what I understood the tons of gold that were used for processing uranium
in the 50's was used to make the wiring in the diffusion units because it has
the highest electrical conductivity available.

Marshall

TJ Garland wrote:

 A reasearcher here says that gold and titanium are the only  two things to
 chelate flourine from the body. ORNL has used thousands of tons of Flourine
 to process  uranium here in Oak Ridge.

 TJ Garland, CMO supplier
there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people.

 From: Trem t...@silvergen.com
 Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSMaking CG
 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:45:20 -0800
 
 Hi Paula,
 
 I just drink it on the assumption it may do me some good and I'm sure it
 will not harm me so why not do it if I have it available.
 
 There's nothing wrong with me that I know of.   I just take CS and CG to
 stay that way.
 
 Trem
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 From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 1:22 PM
 Subject: [silver_list] Re: CSMaking CG
 
 
   Trem,
 What do you use the CG for?
   paula
  
 
 
 
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RE: CSQuestions to Rosemary Jacobs and answers from Rosemary Jacobs

[Richard Harris]

Hi Dam  Dave,

Thanks for sharing these TRUE facts re: SILVER Compounds, which are what
Rosemary  Stan Jones used. Rosemary was supposed to use the Silver Compound
Nose Drops for a couple weeks, then discontinue--she used for a couple years
and the skin color change was so gradual until a teacher asked Why?
Rosemary had been looking at herself in a mirror all during that time and
her brain didn't discover--My sincere sympathy; however, SHE never Took or
Used CS.

Stan Jones reported that he thought he was making CS, but was using highly
chemical-containing tap water in his western State that has high mineral
content in water used and large animal offal that ended in the water he
used. When asked about the gradual skin color change, Stan discovered the
error of his ways and after stating, I'd rather be BLUE than DEAD he now
makes his CS using Steam distilled water.

Please all CSer's use ONLY, .999 or higher Silver; pure Steam Distilled
Water; low voltage (unless you have an expensive AC generator); for the
proper length of time depending on quantity you're making. If you want to
add anything (such as, H2O2, MSM, DMSO, or other) add it to the finished
product, and label properly so user can identify  know contents.

Good Health to ALL!
Sincerely,
Richard Harris, 56 yr FL Pharmacist

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From: fig...@comcast.net [mailto:fig...@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 10:29 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSQuestions to Rosemary Jacobs and answers from Rosemary
Jacobs



- Original Message -
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: CSQuestions to Rosemary Jacobs and answers from Rosemary
Jacobs

 You left out that he used tap water also and the stuff he was drinking
 was black.
 Dave

Let's hope that's fair warning to all to not drink black or brown CS :)

Dan

 fig...@comcast.net wrote:

  GREAT FALLS, Montana (AP) -- Montana's Libertarian candidate for Senate
has
  turned blue from drinking a silver solution that he believed would
protect
  him from disease.
  Stan Jones,a 63-year-old business consultant and part-time college
  instructor, said he started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear
that
  Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics.
  He made his own concoction by electrically charging a couple of silver
wires
  in a glass of water.
  
 
  The above man's argyria came from making CS that used salt to increase
  conductivity. I heard this from someone close to the case.
 
  Dan




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Re: CSDetecting Silver In The Blood

[Marshall Dudley]

Frank Key wrote:

 Mike wrote:

  That said, I do have to ask:  Why should we expect the silver in the
  bloodstream still to be ionic? If it is complexed with something that
  the body is using as a transport mechanism, is there any reason to see
  it in a test for silver ions?

 Perhaps the issue of looking for ionic silver in the bloodstream may stem
 from the in vitro tests of ionic silver that demonstrate it killing
 pathogens in the lab. The claims imply that if ionic silver can kill
 pathogens in a petri dish, it can do the same thing in the bloodstream. The
 problem is that no one has ever found that silver ions can exist inside the
 human body.


Actually all silver compounds form silver silver ions when dissolved.  Silver
ions can certainly be found in the blood stream if one takes silver nitrate.  I
assume by silver ions you mean ions with no anion associated with it, or those
associated with the OH radical.


 If ionic silver is complexed and circulated with the blood, where is the
 evidence that would demonstrate the existence of such a mechanism?

 How does silver get complexed when the first thing it encounters upon
 ingestion is the stomach acid (HCL)? When ionic silver  mixes with HCL it
 only takes a few seconds to precipitate to silver chloride. Saliva mixed
 with ionic silver does not prevent the silver chloride precipitation from
 HCL. Silver chloride is insoluble once formed. Some of it may be absorbed
 into the bloodstream, but it is not known to have strong antimicrobial
 properties.

Actually silver chloride is not insoluble. It has a solubility of .89 ppm in
cold water, and is higher in warm water.  I believe it's solubility is much
higher in hydrochloric acid, but have no proof on that.  At any rate it could
be argued that 1 ppm or more can dissolve in the stomach acid at body
temperature, and then transport to the blood stream, where it would be diluted,
and would not precipitate out as long as the concentration in the blood stream
did not exceed 1 or so ppm.  Thus it is conceivable that an ounce of 12 ppm CS,
with 10 ppm of ionic form, could generate 1 ppm equivalent of silver chloride
in the stomach, and 9 ppm equivalent would precipitate out.  But as the 1 ppm
in solution diffused into the blood stream, the part that precipitated out
would then dissolve back into the stomach acid, so that if it remained in the
stomach long enough, the full one ounce of 10 ppm ionic silver COULD still make
it to the blood stream.  Now, an interesting thing can happen.  If the blood
stream has any developer in it at all (caffine for instance, and likely some of
the normal compounds in blood), this silver chloride will quickly reduce to
metallic silver upon contact with any silver particles.  Since 10 to 20% of the
CS is silver particles, this should happen quite quickly, resulting in a slight
increase in the size of the particles of approximately 44% in diameter if 100%
of the ionic portion were to do this.

So, in the end, no ionic silver would be detected in the blood stream, it
would, in the end convert to particles.

So this begs the question, why could one not simply take silver chloride, and
why does silver chloride cause argyria, but colloidal silver that is 90% ionic
not cause argyria.  The reason is that the 10% to 20% silver particles are
essential for the silver chloride to reduce onto particles in the blood stream
where they will not get trapped. Without the particles, the silver chloride
will circulate until it is exposed to some light, and at that point will reduce
to metallic silver!  Then the rest of the silver chloride will precipitate onto
those particles, cause them to grow rapidly until they get trapped anywhere
they were exposed to light, and the result is argyria.

I agree that silver chloride does not have antimicrobial properties anywhere
nearly as strong as metallic particles.



 In seems much more likely that it is the silver particles, which typically
 account for about 10% of the total silver in ionic silver products,  that
 are getting into the bloodstream and killing the pathogens. That was also
 the conclusion of Prof. Ronald Gibbs and others at the University of
 Delaware when they were doing their investigation.

  Does your high-particulate product show up in the bloodstream as ions,
  or something else? Does ionic silver end up in the bloodstream, but
  just not as free ions available for an ISE measurement?

 When colloidal silver particles are ingested, silver can be detected in the
 bloodstream within 15 minutes using atomic absorption/emission, but no
 silver ions are detectable in the blood using an ISE.

That is expected, any silver ions in the presence of silver particles should
quickly plate out on the particles leaving no ions in the blood.



 For silver particles to be converted into silver ions inside the body would
 require that something inside the body be capable of ionizing those
 particles. In theory there is no substance in the body that is 

Re: CSNatural Wormers

[mamapug]

I`d like to know what is good for dogs!
Marshalee

 Hi Sharon,

 I will privately send you some recipes I've collected.  I'm sure most
people
 on this list aren't interested.  :)

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Re: CSDetecting Silver In The Blood

[sol]

 Depending on a herx or herx like reaction sure wouldn't work for me. 
My CS consumption varies from a couple ounces up to nearly a quart per 
day, depending on what is going on with me. I've never had a herx 
reaction, not even a mild one. Even so, CS fixes whatever I'm taking it 
for. But no herx. Wonder why?

paula

Marshall Dudley wrote:

I don't believe that could be compelling.  A herx like reaction could 
be brought on if the blood had a pathogen in it, and the person 
receiving the blood had an immune response to it, or if it had 
antibodies in it that attacked something the receiver had already.  It 
could even be brought on if the person who received the blood were 
highly allergic to something the donor had eaten or smoked or been 
exposed to.


Marshall

Matthew McCann PE wrote:

Hi, Frank! The Herxheimer reaction gives some evidence thatsomething 
germicidal has made it into the bloodstream.This could be put on a 
quantitative basis by a bioassayprocedure. A more compelling 
demonstration would be occurrence ofa Herxheimer reaction following 
the transfusion of bloodto recipient who had not ingested EIS, from a 
donor whohad ingested EIS. This, of course, would not prove thesilver 
was still ionized. But it would prove that agermicidal agent existed 
in the bloodstream. Best regards, Matthew






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CSDetecting Silver In The Blood

[Matthew McCann PE]

Hi, Paula,

Your experience with CS/EIS goes to show that
the hypothetical in-vivo experiment should, for reasons
of bio-ethics, be done only on lab animals.
An initial infection would have to be induced if
none already existed.

Best regards,

Matthew

Re: CSNatural Wormers

[Jessica Tighe]

I'm with mamapug wanting to know what's good for deworming dogs.  I've heard
horror stories about the commercial wormers.  Blech.

Jessica
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CSCS H202

[Julius Kabrun]

Hi Nancy DeLise-

Thanks for the photos.  I think it would help to add a few drops of H202 to
CS before imbibing.  I read somewhere that it helps the silver work .  There
are other things can be added to CS for special conditions or to increase
the activity e.g. colloidal copper multiplies the anti-bacterial 
anti-viral activity of CS many, many times.  Cu is only a fraction of the Ag
in the solution acting i suppose as a synergiser.  It is easy enough to get
Cu wire.

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CSGlaucoma

[Medwith, Robert]

I have a friend that has Glaucoma, what will drops of CS in her eyes do for
her.
At what strength should the CS be and is there any things else that could or
should be added to the CS.
She is currently puting a RX drops in eyes (Lumigan).
I want to make sure CS will not react with what she is takeing (Lumigan).
Any and all help would be appreciated.
Any body have experiance with CS in eyes for Glaucoma.
Bob
 

CSFeed Store supplies B12

[oldgl...@bigcountry.net]

Hi Rowena,

Where did you find B-12 without a prescription?  It has been off the market
for a long time (also Vit. C injectable), and made prescription because it
works and because it lowered the income of doctors and vets when you used it
without taking yourself or the animal to them.

Thank you,

Jean Baugh

*

 From: Rowena Evans rowenaev...@iprimus.com.au
 
 Thanks again to the lister who suggested looking in the feed store for DMSO.
 Visited again today and came away with 5 kg borax and a big bottle of H2O2.
 Beats buying it in little prissy containers at top dollar.  Also spotted some
 injectable B12 which I propose adding to DMSO  CS to apply to the skin once
 or twice a month.  So many leads from this site!
 Rowena
 
 

Re: CSGlaucoma

[Jan Stoeten]

MessageHere in the Netherlands marijuana is sometimes PRESCRIBED by physicians 
for Glaucoma. Nice place to live!

All the best,
Jan Stoeten,
The Netherlands
  - Original Message - 
  From: Medwith, Robert 
  To: 'cs' 
  Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:44 PM
  Subject: CSGlaucoma


  I have a friend that has Glaucoma, what will drops of CS in her eyes do for 
her.
  At what strength should the CS be and is there any things else that could or 
should be added to the CS.
  She is currently puting a RX drops in eyes (Lumigan).
  I want to make sure CS will not react with what she is takeing (Lumigan).
  Any and all help would be appreciated.
  Any body have experiance with CS in eyes for Glaucoma.
  Bob

Re: CSReversing Argyria

[cvincer]

Hi Matthew,
This certainly desearves further scrutiny by all who injest silver in what 
ever form. I have a feeling that the onset of darkening/blueing under the 
nails may be the onset of argeria, and is not only dose dependant but is 
also body condition dependent.  It would be nice if we found out by careful 
monitering of our own nail beds, reporting and comparing notes, and putting 
all the info together (even though it would all still be anectdotal) that we 
could control and eliminate argeria by seeing it's onset before it occurs.  
Then, when needed, we could up our intake of supplements like selenium 
combined with reducing our intake of silver etc.  Of course this would not 
normally be required, but it would be good to understand it better and know 
what to do for one of our loved ones who don't follow directions or 
understand it all as well as we do.  It's fairly common to convince someone 
to take an alternative supplement without them bothering to learn enough 
about it to do it right...  I'm careful not to encourage the uninformed to 
take something, but sometimes it happens anyway... 

Vince 

Matthew McCann PE writes: 

Good Morning, Sharon. 


Thank you for your thought-provoking insight.
It reminds me of the Arthur Conan Doyle story of
the watchdog that did not bark in the night. 


The most conspicuous lack of melanin in some
Africans is in their nails. Maybe Caucasians share this
trait with their brothers and sisters in Africa and
the Melanesian Pacific Islands and the indigenous
First Nations of the New World, but don't even
realize it. This suggests the hypothesis that, indeed,
the nails are a window to the lower layers of the
dermis. And that this is where we should look for
the earliest warning of incipient argyria. 

Best regards, 


Matthew
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: CSReversing Argyria 



Most likely not. I doubt that it would appear as obviously on someone 
dark skinned. Maybe you would see it in the nails though.
Sharon 


There is something that does give me pause, though,
about the testing and dispensing of CS and Tetrasil in
Zaire, Ghana, Mexico and Honduras.
If argyria occurred in Africa or Central America, would
anybody notice it? Or care?

Matthew



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CSCopper oxide needles for control of parasites

[oldgl...@bigcountry.net]

This was posted on another list and was so interesting, that I asked
permission to repost.  It is on my favorite subject of copper.

Jean Baugh
Old*Glory Nubians-Boers-Anatolians
Please visit our website at:
http://www.oldgloryUSA.net (UPDATING IN PROCESS)

***

Efficacy of copper oxide needles for the control of nematode parasites in
dairy goats.
AU: Chartier-C; Etter-E; Hoste-H; Pors-I; Koch-C; Dellac-B
SO: Veterinary-Research-Communications. 2000, 24: 6, 389-399; 30 ref.
LA: English
AB: The curative effect of copper oxide needles (CON, 2-4 g) on existing
worm burdens was assessed in goats experimentally infected with
Teladorsagia circumcincta, Haemonchus contortus and Trichostrongylus
colubriformis (n=11, including controls). The preventive effect of CON (4
g) on worm establishment was monitored for 2 months in animals
experimentally infected with H. contortus (n=10, including controls) and
for 3 months in naturally infected animals on a farm exhibiting predominant
infections with T. circumcincta and Oesophagostomum venulosum (n=38,
including controls). In both experimental and natural conditions, the
efficacy of CON was nil against Teladorsagia, Trichostrongylus and
Oesophagostomum infections. In contrast, the efficacy of CON against
Haemonchus was clearly established in reducing the worm burden (75%) as
well as in lowering the egg output (37-95%) in relation to the
establishment of new infections over several weeks. It is concluded that
copper oxide needles may represent an alternative to conventional
anthelmintics in the control of Haemonchus infection in some goat farms.
PT: Journal-article
Copper supplementation of sheep, goats and deer - effect, duration and
toxicity.
AU: Familton-AS; Harrison-TJ
SO: Publication -Veterinary-Continuing-Education,-Massey-University. 1992,
No. 145, 61-69; 15 ref.
LA: English
AB: Trials are described in which sheep were supplemented with copper oxide
needles (COWP), deer were given COWP or Cu by injection in the form of
Cu-EDTA, and sheep and goats were given parenteral Cu-EDTA. Results
indicated that COWP had a significant anthelmintic effect against abomasal
parasites in sheep and that it is important to establish Cu status before
administering COWP. COWP 2.5 or 5.0 g did not produce signs of toxicity in
sheep of normal Cu status. In deer COWP had an anthelmintic effect and its
effect may have been ameliorated by increased abomasal pH due to parasite
infection, thus it is suggested that COWP should be given concomitantly
with an anthelmintic if deer have significant gastrointestinal parasites.
Parenteral Cu 1 mg/kg body weight given to Cu-deficient sheep and goats in
good body condition was safe and effective in overcoming Cu deficiency, but
the margin for safety was small, and accurate estimation of body weight is
essential.
PT: Journal-article
Effect of copper oxide wire particle treatment on establishment of major
gastrointestinal nematodes in lambs.
Bang KS, Familton AS, Sykes AR - Department of Animal Science, Lincoln
University, Canterbury, New Zealand. Res Vet Sci 1990 Sep;49(2):132-7
Eighty-four 10-week-old lambs were used to investigate the effect of copper
oxide wire particle treatment on the establishment of major
gastrointestinal nematodes. They were maintained on pasture previously
treated to minimise larval contamination. Five grams of uniform sized
copper oxide wire particles were given orally five days before infection
with either 20,000 Trichostrongylus colubriformis larvae, 20,000 Ostertagia
circumcincta larvae or 3000 Haemonchus contortus larvae given as three
doses at three-day intervals. The animals were slaughtered 21 or 22 days
after the last infective dose. Parasite burdens in the lambs treated with
copper oxide wire particles were reduced by 96 per cent in the case of H
contortus and by 56 per cent in the case of O circumcincta compared to
burdens in controls. There was no significant effect of copper particles on
the establishment of T colubriformis.
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[oldgl...@bigcountry.net]

Maybe we could share some articles about natural de wormers. A while
back I came accross a good one called The controll of internal
parisites in Rumanints. It deals with natural plant based remedies and
a few others. DE and copper sufate, too.  I thought it was pretty good
and it seemed to be more research oriented than other things I have
seen. Has anybody any thing else to share?
this is the link:
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Re: CSDetecting Silver In The Blood

[cvincer]

Hi Frank,
Any idea if the silver ions inside the body can combine to form particles 
that have antibacterial properties? 

Thanks, 

Vince 

Frank Key writes: 

Mike wrote: 


That said, I do have to ask:  Why should we expect the silver in the
bloodstream still to be ionic? If it is complexed with something that
the body is using as a transport mechanism, is there any reason to see
it in a test for silver ions?


Perhaps the issue of looking for ionic silver in the bloodstream may stem
from the in vitro tests of ionic silver that demonstrate it killing
pathogens in the lab. The claims imply that if ionic silver can kill
pathogens in a petri dish, it can do the same thing in the bloodstream. The
problem is that no one has ever found that silver ions can exist inside the
human body. 




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CSHerbal Wormers

[oldgl...@bigcountry.net]

I came across this in some of my old notes and it is suppose to be safe and
gentle on young animals as well as older ones. Used weekly, it helps to
promote digestion and assimilation through gentle colon cleansing and
detoxification.   Use daily, as needed, to help re-establish proper stool
function by reversing constipation.  Use seasonally (prevention) or as
needed for infestation.  Safe for all pets, including very young ones.  Used
successfully with puppies and kittens who were so infested they couldn't
pass anything until they had been wormed.  Works wells with dogs and cats as
well as horses, birds, ferrets, and rabbits

Herbal Wormer - (Equal Parts of each)
Cascara sagrada bark (safest herbal laxative known, has antibiotic effect on
harmful bacteria, stimulates secretions of the entire digestive system)
Barberry root bark (deep cleansing agent, kills worms, excellent cancer
herb)
Anise seed powder and fennel seed (beneficial for stomach function, relieves
cramping and expels gas, mucous and toxins)
Senna leaves (general anti-parasitic)
Rhubarb root (anti-parasitic, especially pin/round worms, helps
constipation)
Ginger root (promotes peristalsis)
Cayenne (astringent, stimulates digestive system, releases intestinal waste,
including worms)



Suzanne Nee
Apollonia Farm
Central Point, Oregon
http://www.apolonia.net/Apollonia_Farm/
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CSShaklee Basic H

[oldgl...@bigcountry.net]

Hi,

I was wrong about people on this list not being interested in herbal or
natural wormers!

These 4 were from my files.

I like apple cider vinegar in the water to balance for my cats and guard
dogs.  I also like oral sulphur for my dogs to repel insects.

Jean Baugh



 Shaklee Basic H

Surfactants 

Many American farmers use Shaklee's Basic H surfactant as cattle dewormer
with success. However, the company does not endorse this use of the product.
Also, the organic certification standards do not always allow its use
because the exact nature of the product is a trade secret, although we know
it is based on two soybeans enzymes. Grazier Joel Salatin from Virginia
gives the product to his cattle through water at a rate of 1 cup of Basic H
per 100 American gallons of water (a quarter cup into 100 litres) . He
confines the animals for two days to make sure all the animals get it.
Treatment is repeated 6 times a year, and costs less than 50 cents per head.

Copper sulphate

Copper sulphate, a mineral substance that already meets organic farming
specifications for plant production, has a strong deworming action against
certain parasites, particularly Haemonchus contortus and Trichostrongylus
axei, which affect the abomasum. Copper sulphate is administered in a 1%
solution in water, in the amount of 50 ml per lamb or 100 ml per adult
sheep, and 30 ml/22.5 kg of live weight for calves to a maximum of 100 ml.
This dewormer may be administered with a funnel and flexible tube. Treatment
is given in the morning before the animals have eaten, followed by castor
oil one half hour later. It is important not to feed animals for two hours
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Re: CSReversing Argyria

[Marshall Dudley]

Jason Eaton wrote:

 Greetings, all:
 Calcium has been shown to crystallize in alkaline conditions in the form of
 calcium carbonate.  Calcium carbonate is the primary substance of fingernail
 production.

I don't think so. Isn't finger nails and hair made of collagen, a protein?

Marshall


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CSReversing Argyria

[Matthew McCann PE]

Hi, Vince,

I agree. The program you outline would fill a great
unmet need.

Best regards,

Matthew

Re: CSDetecting Silver In The Blood

[Marshall Dudley]

As outlined in a post earlier today, I believe that any ions of silver in the
blood (or compounds), will quickly plate out on any silver particles they come 
in
contact with increasing their size slightly.  If you have CS particles in the
blood, then the particles should get slightly larger, if you do not, then they
will reduce to silver atoms upon exposure to light in the skin, and then the 
rest
of the silver ions will plate out on those in the skin.  If they grow too large
too fast, it could cause argyria.

Interesting, colloidal silver may be very good at preventing argyria if ionic
silver or silver compounds are in the blood stream.

Marshall

cvincer wrote:

 Hi Frank,
 Any idea if the silver ions inside the body can combine to form particles
 that have antibacterial properties?

 Thanks,

 Vince

 Frank Key writes:

  Mike wrote:
 
  That said, I do have to ask:  Why should we expect the silver in the
  bloodstream still to be ionic? If it is complexed with something that
  the body is using as a transport mechanism, is there any reason to see
  it in a test for silver ions?
 
  Perhaps the issue of looking for ionic silver in the bloodstream may stem
  from the in vitro tests of ionic silver that demonstrate it killing
  pathogens in the lab. The claims imply that if ionic silver can kill
  pathogens in a petri dish, it can do the same thing in the bloodstream. The
  problem is that no one has ever found that silver ions can exist inside the
  human body.
 

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Re: CSReversing Argyria

[Jason Eaton]

Greetings, all:

The issue concerning the discoloration of the fingertip moons is most likely
directly related to metabolic functions.  I don't think it is per se a
precursor to cosmetic argyria of the face, as one does not always get this
condition before cosmetic argyria of the face, just the same as this does
not always occur with the whites of the eyes.  In other words, one does not
have to get the fingernail condition before the facial condition, and
getting the fingernail condition may not indicate an impending facial
condition, although obviously it may be wise to address the dietary
situation when this occurs in the fingernails.

It seems possible that what is happening is that the silver may be, directly
or indirectly, binding with calcium carbonate in the body, via conditions
present in the biological terrain.

I find it unlikely that we'd be able to unravel this complex mystery very
easily, but it is interesting to note that extremely significant changes
occur in calcium distribution in the body based on changes in PH levels.

I also do believe that it is quite possible for silver to crystalize, rather
than simply bind with proteins, in certain conditions, such as reported by
one of Trem's customers.

Calcium has been shown to crystallize in alkaline conditions in the form of
calcium carbonate.  Calcium carbonate is the primary substance of fingernail
production.

I'd venture, however, that the lymphatic system plays a role, as if it
didn't, we'd likely see equal darkness with the toenails.

- Jason








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From: cvincer cvin...@ala.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: CSReversing Argyria


 Hi Matthew,
 This certainly desearves further scrutiny by all who injest silver in what
 ever form. I have a feeling that the onset of darkening/blueing under the
 nails may be the onset of argeria, and is not only dose dependant but is
 also body condition dependent.  It would be nice if we found out by
careful
 monitering of our own nail beds, reporting and comparing notes, and
putting
 all the info together (even though it would all still be anectdotal) that
we
 could control and eliminate argeria by seeing it's onset before it occurs.
 Then, when needed, we could up our intake of supplements like selenium
 combined with reducing our intake of silver etc.  Of course this would not
 normally be required, but it would be good to understand it better and
know
 what to do for one of our loved ones who don't follow directions or
 understand it all as well as we do.  It's fairly common to convince
someone
 to take an alternative supplement without them bothering to learn enough
 about it to do it right...  I'm careful not to encourage the uninformed to
 take something, but sometimes it happens anyway...

 Vince

 Matthew McCann PE writes:

  Good Morning, Sharon.
 
  Thank you for your thought-provoking insight.
  It reminds me of the Arthur Conan Doyle story of
  the watchdog that did not bark in the night.
 
  The most conspicuous lack of melanin in some
  Africans is in their nails. Maybe Caucasians share this
  trait with their brothers and sisters in Africa and
  the Melanesian Pacific Islands and the indigenous
  First Nations of the New World, but don't even
  realize it. This suggests the hypothesis that, indeed,
  the nails are a window to the lower layers of the
  dermis. And that this is where we should look for
  the earliest warning of incipient argyria.
 
  Best regards,
 
  Matthew
  - Original Message -
  From: Sharon tala...@teleport.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 5:23 PM
  Subject: Re: CSReversing Argyria
 
 
  Most likely not. I doubt that it would appear as obviously on someone
  dark skinned. Maybe you would see it in the nails though.
  Sharon
 
  There is something that does give me pause, though,
  about the testing and dispensing of CS and Tetrasil in
  Zaire, Ghana, Mexico and Honduras.
  If argyria occurred in Africa or Central America, would
  anybody notice it? Or care?
  
  Matthew


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CSDetecting Silver In The Blood

[Matthew McCann PE]

Here is one possible approach to answering Vince's
question by experimentation:
Remove the particulate fraction from some LVDC EIS
by ultracentrifugation and/or dialysis with a suitable
membrane. Take a blood sample before ingesting the
particulate-free EIS. Take another blood sample after
ingesting the particulate-free EIS. Put both blood
samples in turn in a Von Laue camera. If the x-ray
diffraction reveals the powder pattern characteristic
of silver in the later blood sample, but not in the
earlier sample, then this is evidence that the ions
formed particulate in-vivo.

This provisional procedure may, of course, need
some refinements. It is just a first essay.

Best regards,

Matthew

Re: CSReversing Argyria

[Jason Eaton]

Hi Marshal:

Not... according to Steve Sample, Advanced Placement Biology and Freshman
Honors Biology instructor, who also runs, in conjunction with the US
Department of Energy and Argonne National Laboratory, the Ask a Scientist
Program BBS:

http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasci/gen99/gen99671.htm

Now, I suppose he could be WRONG, but I didn't think to question the
reference.

Best Regards,

Jason

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From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 1:47 PM
Subject: Re: CSReversing Argyria


 Jason Eaton wrote:

  Greetings, all:
  Calcium has been shown to crystallize in alkaline conditions in the form
of
  calcium carbonate.  Calcium carbonate is the primary substance of
fingernail
  production.

 I don't think so. Isn't finger nails and hair made of collagen, a protein?

 Marshall


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CSRe: FTC seizes Seasilver

[jrowland]

March 17, 2004
...The judgment and order entered March 4 returns control of 
the firm to its owners...the judgment amount was set at 
$120 million, the government will be content with collecting 
$3 million...
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Re: CSBREAKING NEWS: UPDATE ON FDA AND CS GETTING OUT OF THE BOX?

[Jim]

I'm not sure about this but there was something going around a few weeks 
ago about Canada getting drugs from Africa and labeling them so as to 
look like the American made product, a generic equivalent.  Could Mexico 
be doing the same thing?  According to American drug manufacturers they 
aren't the same quality.


Jim

missett wrote:


My son is an asthmatic who was consuming a $35 inhaler every 6 weeks or so.
That's the U.S price, from his local friendly pharmacy.  The exact same
inhaler sold in Tijuana for $4.35 each.  Explain that.  (These prices are
about 12 years old, but they illustrate the point.)


- Original Message - 
From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: CSBREAKING NEWS: UPDATE ON FDA AND CS GETTING OUT OF THE BOX?


 


 What I don't understand is how the same drugs can be bought for a lot
less from Canada..then instead of just doing that, the gov't decides to
subsidize the local product..that's probably made at the same factory.
Like, if we can sell it to Canada and buy it back cheaper than we can
   


sell
 


it to ourselves...something's amiss. When does adding 16 middlemen reduce
the price?
..and the Gov't comes up with NAFTA so we can have, uhmm free trade, but
doesn't take advantage of it's own setup and gets all whiney when others
   


do.
 


 Why does highly processed white bread cost less than unprocessed whole
wheat bread?

Stuff just don't add up sometimes.
Ode

Warning:  These sleep aid pills may cause drowsiness


At 09:21 PM 3/17/2004 -0500, you wrote:
   


Hear Ye CS'ers


It'll make you ill, but there's a pretty good summary of the FDA antics,
the drug co's, the lobbyists and congress hearings etc etc; in the
current issue of the Life Extension Magazine. Immagine there's a bunch on
their web-site too.

Anybody see some of the crap presented in the senate hearings and there
was a forum/panel presented on C-span this past week, about the fear
campaign's being waged ref drug imports...   just all sickening.


Some good news ref CS.Don't know if it's available on line, but try
to get hold of a copy of Popular Mechanics, April 04, page 78, titled
Smart Threads.
Don't want to tantalize those who cant get hold of the mag.  There were
two web addresses given:www.marmot.comand  www.hotchillys.com   I
havn't looked at either.


the genie out of the bottle???gosh, I hope so!!!

davido


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Re: CSBREAKING NEWS: UPDATE ON FDA AND CS GETTING OUT OF THE BOX?

[missett]

My son is an asthmatic who was consuming a $35 inhaler every 6 weeks or so.
That's the U.S price, from his local friendly pharmacy.  The exact same
inhaler sold in Tijuana for $4.35 each.  Explain that.  (These prices are
about 12 years old, but they illustrate the point.)


- Original Message - 
From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: CSBREAKING NEWS: UPDATE ON FDA AND CS GETTING OUT OF THE BOX?


   What I don't understand is how the same drugs can be bought for a lot
 less from Canada..then instead of just doing that, the gov't decides to
 subsidize the local product..that's probably made at the same factory.
  Like, if we can sell it to Canada and buy it back cheaper than we can
sell
 it to ourselves...something's amiss. When does adding 16 middlemen reduce
 the price?
 ..and the Gov't comes up with NAFTA so we can have, uhmm free trade, but
 doesn't take advantage of it's own setup and gets all whiney when others
do.

   Why does highly processed white bread cost less than unprocessed whole
 wheat bread?

  Stuff just don't add up sometimes.
 Ode

  Warning:  These sleep aid pills may cause drowsiness


 At 09:21 PM 3/17/2004 -0500, you wrote:
 Hear Ye CS'ers
 
 
 It'll make you ill, but there's a pretty good summary of the FDA antics,
 the drug co's, the lobbyists and congress hearings etc etc; in the
 current issue of the Life Extension Magazine. Immagine there's a bunch on
 their web-site too.
 
 Anybody see some of the crap presented in the senate hearings and there
 was a forum/panel presented on C-span this past week, about the fear
 campaign's being waged ref drug imports...   just all sickening.
 
 
 Some good news ref CS.Don't know if it's available on line, but try
 to get hold of a copy of Popular Mechanics, April 04, page 78, titled
 Smart Threads.
 Don't want to tantalize those who cant get hold of the mag.  There were
 two web addresses given:www.marmot.comand  www.hotchillys.com   I
 havn't looked at either.
 
 
 the genie out of the bottle???gosh, I hope so!!!
 
 davido
 
 
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Re: CSGlaucoma

[Christine Carleton]

Jan and Bob

For those that are interested in spiritual issues, marijuana closes the
crown chakra, so personally I would not see it as a solution to glaucoma.  I
would ask questions about what they don't want to see.  It is a frequency
issue - as is everything.  There are some essential oils that have helped
but that is not for this list.  My point is marijuana is also available in
Canada, and may be a solution to alleviate folks looking clearly at the
blockages and be appropriate for some, but it's certainly not a Universal
solution.

Christine

From: Jan Stoeten jstoe...@xs4all.nl
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 21:27:41 +0100
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSGlaucoma
Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:27:41 -0800


Here in the Netherlands marijuana is sometimes PRESCRIBED by physicians for
Glaucoma. Nice place to live!
 
All the best,
Jan Stoeten,
The Netherlands
- Original Message -
From: Medwith, Robert mailto:robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil
To: 'cs' mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:44 PM
Subject: CSGlaucoma

I have a friend that has Glaucoma, what will drops of CS in her eyes do for
her.
At what strength should the CS be and is there any things else that could or
should be added to the CS.
She is currently puting a RX drops in eyes (Lumigan).
I want to make sure CS will not react with what she is takeing (Lumigan).
Any and all help would be appreciated.
Any body have experiance with CS in eyes for Glaucoma.
Bob
 

Re: CSDetecting Silver In The Blood

[DByron]

I strongly disagree.  Human beings create the need for testing--let all
medical/drug testing be done on willing human subjects and stop the
rampant abuse of lab animals.  The results obtained will have greater
correspondance to reality.
Deborah


 Matthew McCann PE wrote:
 
 Hi, Paula,
 
 Your experience with CS/EIS goes to show that
 the hypothetical in-vivo experiment should, for reasons
 of bio-ethics, be done only on lab animals.
 An initial infection would have to be induced if
 none already existed.
 
 Best regards,
 
 Matthew



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Re: CSBREAKING NEWS: UPDATE ON FDA AND CS GETTING OUT OF THE BOX?

[Christine Carleton]

Jim,

I work under the sphere of a Pharmacy complex in Canada - doing a natural
healing modality.  They use the same drugs they always have before the
'money issues came to surface'. The drugs continue to be manufactured in
Canada and the US to first world North American standards.  It's about money
- the rest is smoke.  Folks faced with lack of funds have made the decision
to order from Canada and even with shipping etc., its a bundle cheaper.  The
rest is scare tactics, media misdirection, and encouragement to keep higher
profit in the corporate pocket book and stockholders hands.  We have local
people who make their own CS, and it's kinda an underground industry which
some health food stores quietly stock for those who are more in the know.

Christine   

Christine Carleton, C.B.P.
http://www.bodytalksystem.com



 From: Jim kf4...@charter.net
 Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 17:30:45 -0600
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSBREAKING NEWS:UPDATE ON FDA   AND  CS GETTING OUT
 OF THE BOX?
 Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:30:30 -0800
 
 I'm not sure about this but there was something going around a few weeks
 ago about Canada getting drugs from Africa and labeling them so as to
 look like the American made product, a generic equivalent.  Could Mexico
 be doing the same thing?  According to American drug manufacturers they
 aren't the same quality.
 
 Jim
 
 missett wrote:
 


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Re: CSBREAKING NEWS: UPDATE ON FDA AND CS GETTING OUT OF THE BOX?

[twll]

Look into this about your sons asthma.They claim its caused from the body
not geting enough water.
www.watercure.com




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Re: CSDetecting Silver In The Blood

[M. G. Devour]

Frank writes:

 When colloidal silver particles are ingested, silver can be detected in
 the bloodstream within 15 minutes using atomic absorption/emission

Okay, that's good news.

 ... but no silver ions are detectable in the blood using an ISE. 

Does ISE *ever* pick up silver ions in the blood? Is it even possible?

 For silver particles to be converted into silver ions inside the body
 would require that something inside the body be capable of ionizing
 those particles. 

 In theory there is no substance in the body that is capable of ionizing
 metallic silver. To the best of my knowledge, it has never been
 demonstrated that metallic silver can be ionized in the body.
 Hydrochloric acid in the stomach will not effect metallic silver. The
 acids and other substances that can ionize metallic silver are not
 found in the body. 

Okay, so particles stay particles... I can accept that.

So, if you administer comparable doses of *ionic* silver, does any show 
up in the bloodstream as measured by absorption/emission? 

You've stated that particles cause silver to show up in the blood under 
absorption/emission spectroscopy. 

You've stated that no silver ions show up in the blood from either your 
product or others. 

But what you haven't stated is whether silver is detectable in the 
blood using absorption/emmission spectroscopy after ingesting ionic 
products?

You assert that no mechanism exists for the body to assimilate ionic 
silver, but your comments so far have skirted this question.

 This group may find it interesting that some silver products on the
 market have been found to contain little or no silver. See:
 http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html#results

Yes, there is a lot of schlock in the marketplace. That's why a lot of 
us like to make our own CS. At least we know what goes into it... as 
long as our batteries don't go dead! ggg

Be well,

Mike D.
[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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CSDetecting Silver In The Blood

[Matthew McCann PE]

Hi, Deborah,

If any ensemble of informed, willing human volunteers
participated in the hypothetical experiment, some
would exhibit herxing and some would not. A statistical
treatment of the outcome (e.g. perhaps a contingency
table test) may allow an inference to be drawn on
the question of presence or absence of silver in the
blood. This would be an ethical approach, or at least
more ethical than a controlled experiment on a
single human. And lab animals would be spared.

Thanks for your thoughtful critique.

Best regards,

Matthew

Re: CSBREAKING NEWS: UPDATE ON FDA AND CS GETTING OUT OF THE BOX?

[Jim]

Whose making the money the pharmacy or the manufacturers?   I have a 
friend when walking up to her parents after graduating from pharmacy 
school, waved her diploma and said this is my license to steal.   Her 
first job was a $100,000.00 job.   That was 10 years ago.


Jim



Christine Carleton wrote:


Jim,

I work under the sphere of a Pharmacy complex in Canada - doing a natural
healing modality.  They use the same drugs they always have before the
'money issues came to surface'. The drugs continue to be manufactured in
Canada and the US to first world North American standards.  It's about money
- the rest is smoke.  Folks faced with lack of funds have made the decision
to order from Canada and even with shipping etc., its a bundle cheaper.  The
rest is scare tactics, media misdirection, and encouragement to keep higher
profit in the corporate pocket book and stockholders hands.  We have local
people who make their own CS, and it's kinda an underground industry which
some health food stores quietly stock for those who are more in the know.

Christine   


Christine Carleton, C.B.P.
http://www.bodytalksystem.com



 


From: Jim kf4...@charter.net
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 17:30:45 -0600
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSBREAKING NEWS:UPDATE ON FDA   AND  CS GETTING OUT
OF THE BOX?
Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:30:30 -0800

I'm not sure about this but there was something going around a few weeks
ago about Canada getting drugs from Africa and labeling them so as to
look like the American made product, a generic equivalent.  Could Mexico
be doing the same thing?  According to American drug manufacturers they
aren't the same quality.

Jim

missett wrote:

   




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Re: CSNatural WOrmers

[Brickeyk]

I have been using one drop of black walnut tincture per day to my cat and 
dogs food.  I have been doing this for several years after reading Hulda Clarks 
first book, this is her recommendation.
Brickey

Re: CSColloidal silver and bladder infection

[TJ Garland]

Please don't use my product name-- Sweet-Pee or Sweet-Pea  Of course, you 
may make and use it yourself.




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  there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people.






From: sandee George oha...@juno.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSColloidal silver and bladder infection
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 09:45:26 -0400

I love this one T.J. looks as if Mannatech has a
competitor    Do you mind if I copy you ?  smile
Regards
Sandee

The one who accomplished it is the one who failed to
realize that he could not do it.


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Re: CSBREAKING NEWS: UPDATE ON FDA AND CS GETTING OUT OF THE BOX?

[TJ Garland]

Let me solve the problem forever- DON'T TAKE ANY DRUGS AT ALL!!!  NONE-ZERO- 
ZIP  I once sat down and wasted an hour trying to find a drug in the PDA 
that humans  HAD TO HAVE to live. One that didn't have a natural 
counterpart- that worked better and had no side effects. I could not find 
one. I really hope that the Pharma- Nazis(literally) raise their prices 
200%. Darwinism will rule the day.




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From: Jim kf4...@charter.net
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSBREAKING NEWS:UPDATE ON FDA   AND  CS GETTING 
OUT OF THE BOX?

Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 17:30:45 -0600

I'm not sure about this but there was something going around a few weeks 
ago about Canada getting drugs from Africa and labeling them so as to look 
like the American made product, a generic equivalent.  Could Mexico be 
doing the same thing?  According to American drug manufacturers they aren't 
the same quality.


Jim

missett wrote:

My son is an asthmatic who was consuming a $35 inhaler every 6 weeks or 
so.

That's the U.S price, from his local friendly pharmacy.  The exact same
inhaler sold in Tijuana for $4.35 each.  Explain that.  (These prices are
about 12 years old, but they illustrate the point.)


- Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: CSBREAKING NEWS: UPDATE ON FDA AND CS GETTING OUT OF THE 
BOX?






 What I don't understand is how the same drugs can be bought for a lot
less from Canada..then instead of just doing that, the gov't decides to
subsidize the local product..that's probably made at the same factory.
Like, if we can sell it to Canada and buy it back cheaper than we can



sell



it to ourselves...something's amiss. When does adding 16 middlemen reduce
the price?
..and the Gov't comes up with NAFTA so we can have, uhmm free trade, but
doesn't take advantage of it's own setup and gets all whiney when others



do.



 Why does highly processed white bread cost less than unprocessed whole
wheat bread?

Stuff just don't add up sometimes.
Ode

Warning:  These sleep aid pills may cause drowsiness


At 09:21 PM 3/17/2004 -0500, you wrote:



Hear Ye CS'ers


It'll make you ill, but there's a pretty good summary of the FDA antics,
the drug co's, the lobbyists and congress hearings etc etc; in the
current issue of the Life Extension Magazine. Immagine there's a bunch 
on

their web-site too.

Anybody see some of the crap presented in the senate hearings and there
was a forum/panel presented on C-span this past week, about the fear
campaign's being waged ref drug imports...   just all sickening.


Some good news ref CS.Don't know if it's available on line, but try
to get hold of a copy of Popular Mechanics, April 04, page 78, titled
Smart Threads.
Don't want to tantalize those who cant get hold of the mag.  There were
two web addresses given:www.marmot.comand  www.hotchillys.com   
I

havn't looked at either.


the genie out of the bottle???gosh, I hope so!!!

davido


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Re: CSMaking CG

[TJ Garland]

Marshall- contact Jim Phelps with DOE Watch. I will try to find the info. He 
may live in Knoxville.




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From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@execonn.com
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSMaking CG
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:26:50 -0500

Somehow that does not make sense. Chelation works by basically boxing a 
metal
atom inside of a box, so it gets trapped and can get transported out. 
Normally
chelation agents are not metallic to start with.  I don't see how this 
could

be.

I would be interested in seeing some information to support this.

From what I understood the tons of gold that were used for processing 
uranium
in the 50's was used to make the wiring in the diffusion units because it 
has

the highest electrical conductivity available.

Marshall

TJ Garland wrote:

 A reasearcher here says that gold and titanium are the only  two things 
to
 chelate flourine from the body. ORNL has used thousands of tons of 
Flourine

 to process  uranium here in Oak Ridge.

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 From: Trem t...@silvergen.com
 Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSMaking CG
 Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:45:20 -0800
 
 Hi Paula,
 
 I just drink it on the assumption it may do me some good and I'm sure 
it

 will not harm me so why not do it if I have it available.
 
 There's nothing wrong with me that I know of.   I just take CS and CG 
to

 stay that way.
 
 Trem
 - Original Message -
 From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Monday, March 15, 2004 1:22 PM
 Subject: [silver_list] Re: CSMaking CG
 
 
   Trem,
 What do you use the CG for?
   paula
  
 
 
 
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Re: CSNatural Wormers

[TJ Garland]

Wormwood and kieselguhr(DE)



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From: mamapug mama...@netzero.net
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSNatural Wormers
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:43:11 -0800


I`d like to know what is good for dogs!
Marshalee

 Hi Sharon,

 I will privately send you some recipes I've collected.  I'm sure most
people
 on this list aren't interested.  :)

 Jean Baugh




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Re: CSNatural Wormers

[TJ Garland]

Bruce Stenulson makes a H. Clark zapper into a flea collar. 
stenul...@amigo.net




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From: mamapug mama...@netzero.net
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSNatural Wormers
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 08:43:11 -0800


I`d like to know what is good for dogs!
Marshalee

 Hi Sharon,

 I will privately send you some recipes I've collected.  I'm sure most
people
 on this list aren't interested.  :)

 Jean Baugh




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CSanimal vs human testing

[William Meyer]

there is no need to subject animals to things that humans would not 
want.

period.

On Mar 18, 2004, at 6:47 PM, DByron wrote:


I strongly disagree.  Human beings create the need for testing--let all
medical/drug testing be done on willing human subjects and stop the
rampant abuse of lab animals.  The results obtained will have greater
correspondance to reality.
Deborah



Matthew McCann PE wrote:

Hi, Paula,

Your experience with CS/EIS goes to show that
the hypothetical in-vivo experiment should, for reasons
of bio-ethics, be done only on lab animals.
An initial infection would have to be induced if
none already existed.

Best regards,

Matthew




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Re: CSBREAKING NEWS: UPDATE ON FDA AND CS GETTING OUT OF THE BOX?

[TJ Garland]

Worse pay than the other drug dealers on the inner city corner.



TJ Garland, CMO supplier
  there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people.






From: Jim kf4...@charter.net



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Re: CS

[Al Davis]

Frank Key wrote:


 I have asked the person who makes the statements concerning
metalloproteins
 why ionic silver can not be found in the blood stream and he has no answer
 and refuses to discuss the issue.



A Google search for the term metalloproteins brought up
16,600 references.. Perhaps you could find a biochemist in
there to answer that question. :)


Hope this helps.


Al D.


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Re: CSBREAKING NEWS: UPDATE ON FDA AND CS GETTING OUT OF THE BOX?

[William Meyer]

love you tj.
it's true that me not having insurance has helped me find a lot of 
better alternatives.
the problem is the pharma's and their proxies trying to stop us from 
using other

substances.
all natural derivatives and their synthetic counterparts -vitamins, 
hormones, etc..
could be marketed by the pharma's if they took the high road. testing 
and quality and

research.
apple computer embraced digital music and they are leading the way 
towards the new
mode. on my apple ibook with itunes i can download from their store the 
songs i want
and arrange them as i want and burn them to a cd seemlessly with no 
hassle.

is it worth the price? for those who can afford it yes.
point is apple is providing a modern, improved media where they are 
making it convenient

to access the new media's benefits for access to music.
don't fite progress when it makes sense.

On Mar 18, 2004, at 7:54 PM, TJ Garland wrote:

Let me solve the problem forever- DON'T TAKE ANY DRUGS AT ALL!!!  
NONE-ZERO- ZIP  I once sat down and wasted an hour trying to find a 
drug in the PDA that humans  HAD TO HAVE to live. One that didn't have 
a natural counterpart- that worked better and had no side effects. I 
could not find one. I really hope that the Pharma- Nazis(literally) 
raise their prices 200%. Darwinism will rule the day.




TJ Garland, CMO supplier
  there are no incurable illnesses-only incurable people.






From: Jim kf4...@charter.net
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSBREAKING NEWS:UPDATE ON FDA   AND  CS 
GETTING OUT OF THE BOX?

Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 17:30:45 -0600

I'm not sure about this but there was something going around a few 
weeks ago about Canada getting drugs from Africa and labeling them so 
as to look like the American made product, a generic equivalent.  
Could Mexico be doing the same thing?  According to American drug 
manufacturers they aren't the same quality.


Jim

missett wrote:

My son is an asthmatic who was consuming a $35 inhaler every 6 weeks 
or so.
That's the U.S price, from his local friendly pharmacy.  The exact 
same
inhaler sold in Tijuana for $4.35 each.  Explain that.  (These 
prices are

about 12 years old, but they illustrate the point.)


- Original Message - From: Ode Coyote 
odecoy...@alltel.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 6:52 AM
Subject: Re: CSBREAKING NEWS: UPDATE ON FDA AND CS GETTING OUT OF 
THE BOX?





 What I don't understand is how the same drugs can be bought for a 
lot
less from Canada..then instead of just doing that, the gov't 
decides to
subsidize the local product..that's probably made at the same 
factory.
Like, if we can sell it to Canada and buy it back cheaper than we 
can




sell


it to ourselves...something's amiss. When does adding 16 middlemen 
reduce

the price?
..and the Gov't comes up with NAFTA so we can have, uhmm free 
trade, but
doesn't take advantage of it's own setup and gets all whiney when 
others




do.


 Why does highly processed white bread cost less than unprocessed 
whole

wheat bread?

Stuff just don't add up sometimes.
Ode

Warning:  These sleep aid pills may cause drowsiness


At 09:21 PM 3/17/2004 -0500, you wrote:



Hear Ye CS'ers


It'll make you ill, but there's a pretty good summary of the FDA 
antics,

the drug co's, the lobbyists and congress hearings etc etc; in the
current issue of the Life Extension Magazine. Immagine there's a 
bunch on

their web-site too.

Anybody see some of the crap presented in the senate hearings and 
there
was a forum/panel presented on C-span this past week, about the 
fear
campaign's being waged ref drug imports...   just all 
sickening.



Some good news ref CS.Don't know if it's available on line, 
but try
to get hold of a copy of Popular Mechanics, April 04, page 78, 
titled

Smart Threads.
Don't want to tantalize those who cant get hold of the mag.  There 
were
two web addresses given:www.marmot.comand  
www.hotchillys.com   I

havn't looked at either.


the genie out of the bottle???gosh, I hope so!!!

davido


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RE: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2004 #267

[James Holmes]

A fundamental principal of disinformation is to embed it into a matrix of
truth.

JOH

-Original Message-
From: sol [mailto:sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 8:02 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2004 #267


  I agree. However not everything on the Quackwatch site is wrong. There 
are at least one or two exposes of REAL quacks there.
Look for articles NOT written by Barrett himself and also look at ones 
that have extensive references/bibiliographies.
It is ironic, that he is a quack himself, but still manages to have SOME 
accurate info on other quacks.
paula
 

James Holmes wrote:

 Stephen Barrett is a duck.
  
 I tried to have a net conversation with him.
  
 Shill.
  
 Hulda Clark sued his ass big time for slandering and libeling her.
  
 JOH




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RE: CSNails are getting Dark

[James Holmes]

Thank you for the careful detail.  I understand what you are doing now.  
 
Do you have any idea why one would be different than another other than
circulatory variations?   Do the nails change in a progression related to
vessel distribution or is it random? 
 
JOH

-Original Message-
From: Matthew McCann PE [mailto:mmcc...@franciscan.edu] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:59 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSNails are getting Dark


Hi, James,
 
There have been anecdotes that blueness is not
the same for all nails, even comparing just fingernails.
If I recollect correctly, a thumbnail may show more
blueness than the nail of a pinky (no pun ;-).
These anecdotes suggest a hypothesis that can be
tested: That the coloration of all twenty nails is the
same. Then, this hypothesis can be tested, because
we can distinguish nails and compare colors.
 
Come to think of it, the nails of different people could
also be compared. This would constitute a 
different hypothesis testing, leading to different
conclusions.
 
Best regards,
 
Matthew

RE: CSQuestions to Rosemary Jacobs and answers from Rosemary Jacobs

[James Holmes]

A few years ago many of us on this list l went on a huge paper (Medical
Libraries) and electronic search.  

No one found a single citation.  Oh I forgot;  some Docs killed a couple of
dogs by injecting them with several grams of finely powdered silver.  Does
that count? 

If there were any material like that don't you think every anti-alternative
medicine site would have it posted in red and 14 point type?  

JOH

-Original Message-
From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 12:35 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSQuestions to Rosemary Jacobs and answers from Rosemary
Jacobs


oldgl...@bigcountry.net wrote:

 Hi,

 I wrote Rosemary Jacobs about her argyria condition and here are her 
 answers.  I really don't think her color is offensive.  Nice lady.

 Jean Baugh

 I don't know what form the silver was in, but it is irrelevant. Every 
 form of silver used including metallic has caused argyria. There is a 
 whole body of medical literature on argyria and silver indicating that 
 ingesting silver in any form is at best useless and at worst 
 dangerous. Silver in any from can turn your skin permanently gray. For 
 details, please look at all that I've written about silver on my web 
 page, the URL of which is included in my signature below.

This is a lie. I am not aware of one single case of argyria from CS, and CS
alone, in every case it has been either MSP or silver compounds.  There is
no body of medical literature on it, in fact I cannot find even one piece of
medical literature that indicates that CS has ever been tested on producing
argyria.

Marshall


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RE: CSNails were getting Dark

[James Holmes]

Hi Marshall

There here are now available little gizmos that you slip over your finger
and it reads out heart rate and % saturation.  Cost? 

But I like the technique of your later post; soak the nail in very warm
water.

JOH

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Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 7:35 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSNails were getting Dark


James Holmes wrote:

 Check your 02 saturation.

 JOH

How can I do that?  




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RE: CSQuestions to Rosemary Jacobs and answers from Rosemary Jacobs

[James Holmes]

Rosemary wrote you:

don't know what form the silver was in, but it is irrelevant. Every
form of silver used including metallic has caused argyria. There is a whole
body of medical literature on argyria and silver indicating that ingesting
silver in any form is at best useless and at worst dangerous.


Some time ago, I spent a month or more of e-mail communication waiting for
any one citation of the many she promised.

She never sent anything.  

Did you ask her for any documentation supporting that statement?

JOH

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From: oldgl...@bigcountry.net [mailto:oldgl...@bigcountry.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 1:03 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSQuestions to Rosemary Jacobs and answers from Rosemary Jacobs


Hi,

I wrote Rosemary Jacobs about her argyria condition and here are her
answers.  I really don't think her color is offensive.  Nice lady.

Jean Baugh 

***
On Tuesday, March 16, 2004, at 12:18 AM, oldgl...@bigcountry.net wrote:

 I've read your story with great interest.  Would you mind telling me 
 what kind of health problems you have now?

Nothing serious that I'm aware of.

 Frequency of colds?

I just got over a nasty one that lasted over 2 weeks. Several friends had it
too. But for the last 10 or 15 years I haven't gotten many colds. However,
up till then I always got colds more frequently and worse than anyone else I
knew. If you are trying to make an association with silver, I've been gray
for over 40 years. So I got lots of bad colds while I was gray. I've read
that once exposed to a specific cold virus one develops immunity. If that is
so, then the reason that I have gotten few colds for the last decade or so
is probably because I've developed immunity.

 Any infectious type of diseases?

No. If you are trying to determine what effects silver has on the health of
argyric people, you should realize that there have been thousands of us
observed by many doctors and no one has ever noticed that on average our
health is any better or any worse than anyone else's. We get the same
diseases with the same frequency as other people and die at the same average
ages also of the same diseases.

 You had breast cancer in what year?

1984.

 Did you do a lumpectomy, radical, radiation, chemo, all of these?

Lumpectomy and radiation therapy.

 Did you take silver nitrate in your nose drops?

I don't know what form the silver was in, but it is irrelevant. Every form
of silver used including metallic has caused argyria. There is a whole body
of medical literature on argyria and silver indicating that ingesting silver
in any form is at best useless and at worst dangerous. Silver in any from
can turn your skin permanently gray. For details, please look at all that
I've written about silver on my web page, the URL of which is included in my
signature below.

 Actually, I find your picture to be very nice and not repelling at 
 all. Just thought you would like to know.  :)


Thank you.

Rosemary
Rosemary Jacobs
rjs...@together.net http://homepages.together.net/~rjstan/rose3.html


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Re: CSDetecting Silver In The Blood

[Jonathan B. Britten]

From a layman's  point of view,  I think one of the most important 
points about particles vs. ions came from a posting by Frank Key 
himself.


Mr. Key argues that the particles are the main therapeutic component of 
EIS brews,  and observes that most home generators make some particles 
and lots of ions.   He stated, if I may paraphrase the post,  that 
although the ions convert to silver chloride in the bloodstream,  there 
is little risk of any bad reaction from the quantities consumed by most 
users of LVDC EIS.


On that basis, I think that list members of make LVDC EIS can continue 
to do so,  and enjoy the very low cost of this experimental mineral 
supplement.


If I have misinterpreted any of Mr. Key's comments,  I hope he will 
correct me.



Cheers,


JBB


On Thursday, Mar 18, 2004, at 21:33 Asia/Tokyo, Ode Coyote wrote:



   Might be more useful to discover what form the silver is in rather 
than

what form it's not in.
 I don't see how an ion can live in the blood either and likely it's 
not
and IS being bound up with something, but ionic silver does seem to 
work.
Perhaps it become released again when whatever it's tied up in 
contacts a

micro organism.
 Heck fire..I dunno!  And it's pretty likely that no one else does 
either.
 Is there any way to specifically test for 'silver chloride' in the 
blood

and in elimination substances?
 What really does happen to silver oxide when it hits the 'system'?  
Silver

peroxide?
 How is it that a really really small silver particle can be brown?
 Do single silver oxide/peroxide molecules present more silver surface 
area

to the environment than  pure silver clusters a hundred times larger in
diameter?

 This probably isn't a case of right and wrong ways.  More like, right 
ways

and 'mo-betta' right ways.

 Myself, I like to make CS that has a good strong TE.  That way both 
worlds
rotate like worlds tend to do while we're trying to call one of them 
flat.

[Could be face cubic] :-)
 Meanwhile, everyone on both planets walks on the dirt under their 
feet and

all of them manage to get around somehow.

Ode

At 07:55 PM 3/17/2004 -0500, you wrote:
The Herx reaction is evidence that something germicidal made it 
into the

bloodstream,
but it does not mean that the something was ionic silver. The silver
particles that are present
in ionic silver products will enter the bloodstream and produce those
results.

My point is that if it is ionic silver, why can't an ISE measure their
presence? Atomic
absorption/emission can detect the presence of silver in the blood, 
but the

ISE finds
no silver ions.

Frank Key

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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 6:21 PM
Subject: CSDetecting Silver In The Blood


Hi, Frank!

The Herxheimer reaction gives some evidence that
something germicidal has made it into the bloodstream.
This could be put on a quantitative basis by a bioassay
procedure.

A more compelling demonstration would be occurrence of
a Herxheimer reaction following the transfusion of blood
to recipient who had not ingested EIS, from a donor who
had ingested EIS. This, of course, would not prove the
silver was still ionized. But it would prove that a
germicidal agent existed in the bloodstream.

Best regards,

Matthew



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RE: CS

[James Holmes]

Hi Frank,

No contest with what you say.

Why, using  something made with 3 9 V batts,  I stopped  having formerly
frequent herpes simplex lesions and my lifelong Tinea Pedis went away?

No more gum disease.  Rapid healing of minor cuts and burns when used
topically.  Does it matter if it is silver chloride? 

Are those events just chance?  

Later, using HVAC and now MV pulsed DC,  I observe others having similar
results, including a particularly nasty case of Herpes.   Please comment. 

I very much respect your knowledge and experience, and do not mean to
present this as any sort of a challenge. 

JOH 



-Original Message-
From: Frank Key [mailto:fr...@colloidalsciencelab.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 3:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS


Jodi Waldman wrote:

 I had a telephone conversation with Frank Key.
 He told me that ionic colloidal silver - the type of CS that is made 
 by
all home CS generators,
 was basically useless according to his laboratory dish studies because
silver ions bind with
 sodium inside our bodies and become silver chloride, which is 
 ineffective.

I take exception to that statement.

I never told Jodi Waldman or any else that ionic silver was basically
useless. What I said was that silver ions will combine with chloride ions in
the human body and form silver chloride which is comparatively speaking far
less antimicrobial. Only the percentage of silver that is in the form of
particles will survive in the bloodstream and it is this silver that
performs the work of killing pathogens.

 He seems too smart to me *not* to know about metalloproteins and how 
 they
bind the silver ions
 for safe transport throughout the body.

I am aware that companies that produce ionic silver products make such a
claim. If such a mechanism actually worked for silver ions, why has no one
ever been able to demonstrate the existence of silver ions in the
bloodstream beyond the most minute concentration.

We challenge anyone to find measurable ionic silver circulating in the
bloodstream after ingesting ionic silver. If ionic silver were in the
bloodstream it would be detectable using an Ion Selective Electrode (ISE)
instrument. It is a simple experiment to perform; after ingesting ionic
silver, draw several blood samples at 30 minute intervals and do the ISE
test.

I have asked the person who makes the statements concerning metalloproteins
why ionic silver can not be found in the blood stream and he has no answer
and refuses to discuss the issue.

 Why doesn't the FDA appear to be restricting or harassing Professor 
 Key or
his company's presence,
 sales and claims online?

Our company is registered with the FDA as a manufacturer of dietary
supplements and as such our manufacturing facilities, laboratory, processes
and procedures have been fully inspected by the FDA. The most recent
inspection was in November 2003. The inspector was present two full days and
found no violations. We are even in compliance with the proposed FDA
regulations that have not yet been enacted into law.

Given all the companies that make ionic silver products it would seem that
somewhere there would be at least one individual or company that would step
up to the plate and demonstrate that their product can actually get into the
bloodstream. Where is the proof folks?

Frank Key
Colloidal Science Laboratory, Inc.



- Original Message -
From: Jodi Waldman Menard
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 1:07 PM
Subject: CS


I had a telephone conversation with Frank Key.  He told me that ionic
colloidal silver - the type of CS that is made by all home CS generators,
was basically useless according to his laboratory dish studies because
silver ions bind with sodium inside our bodies and become silver chloride,
which is ineffective.  His position, and his credentials, dissuaded me from
believing I could buy a generator and make effective CS myself at home. That
- was before I joined this list, learned otherwise, and had a weird feeling
about the whole thing.  I didn't get the impression from Professor Key that
he was being dishonest when I spoke with him, but he does sell Mesosilver,
which is brown, mostly silver particles and therefore, according to him,
the only type of silver  that is effective inside of the body, as shown by
his out-of-the-body laboratory dish tests.  Professor Key may really believe
what he's saying, but then again, maybe not...(?)  He seems too smart to me
*not* to know about metalloproteins and how they bind the silver ions for
safe transport throughout the body.  It would certainly serve the
pharma-cartel and FDA's interests if people didn't believe in ionic silver's
effectiveness, wouldn't it?  Because then everyone would buy a generator and
stop getting sick, and conventional antibiotics would become obsolete.  Why
doesn't the FDA appear to be restricting or harassing Professor Key or his
company's presence, sales and claims online?  Is that another 

Re: CSDetecting Silver In The Blood

[Jonathan B. Britten]

One question for Mr. Key about the ionization of silver particles:

I can accept that there is no known mechanism for silver particles to 
be converted to ions in vivo.   However, if I understand the use of 
Silverlon bandages, particulate silver is converted to silver ions on 
the surface of the skin, simply by soaking the bandages in water.   
Some interaction between water, the particle-impregnated bandages, and 
the skin, apparently produces ions;  if memory serves me,  the web site 
for the Silverlon products claims that silver ions are the cause of the 
therapeutic benefits.


If the above summary is correct,  then I wonder whether somehow, in 
vivo, a similar process might not be happening.   Obviously,  water in 
the body is all mixed up with everything else;  I am not overlooking 
this!   But not being a chemist, I ask those who might know:  could not 
H20 in vivo produce ions in a manner similar to that summarized above?



Comments welcome.


JBB




On Friday, Mar 19, 2004, at 00:29 Asia/Tokyo, Frank Key wrote:


Mike wrote:


That said, I do have to ask:  Why should we expect the silver in the
bloodstream still to be ionic? If it is complexed with something that
the body is using as a transport mechanism, is there any reason to see
it in a test for silver ions?


Perhaps the issue of looking for ionic silver in the bloodstream may 
stem

from the in vitro tests of ionic silver that demonstrate it killing
pathogens in the lab. The claims imply that if ionic silver can kill
pathogens in a petri dish, it can do the same thing in the 
bloodstream. The
problem is that no one has ever found that silver ions can exist 
inside the

human body.

If ionic silver is complexed and circulated with the blood, where is 
the

evidence that would demonstrate the existence of such a mechanism?

How does silver get complexed when the first thing it encounters upon
ingestion is the stomach acid (HCL)? When ionic silver  mixes with HCL 
it
only takes a few seconds to precipitate to silver chloride. Saliva 
mixed
with ionic silver does not prevent the silver chloride precipitation 
from
HCL. Silver chloride is insoluble once formed. Some of it may be 
absorbed

into the bloodstream, but it is not known to have strong antimicrobial
properties.

In seems much more likely that it is the silver particles, which 
typically
account for about 10% of the total silver in ionic silver products,  
that
are getting into the bloodstream and killing the pathogens. That was 
also

the conclusion of Prof. Ronald Gibbs and others at the University of
Delaware when they were doing their investigation.


Does your high-particulate product show up in the bloodstream as ions,
or something else? Does ionic silver end up in the bloodstream, but
just not as free ions available for an ISE measurement?


When colloidal silver particles are ingested, silver can be detected 
in the

bloodstream within 15 minutes using atomic absorption/emission, but no
silver ions are detectable in the blood using an ISE.

For silver particles to be converted into silver ions inside the body 
would

require that something inside the body be capable of ionizing those
particles. In theory there is no substance in the body that is capable 
of
ionizing metallic silver. To the best of my knowledge, it has never 
been
demonstrated that metallic silver can be ionized in the body. 
Hydrochloric
acid in the stomach will not effect metallic silver. The acids and 
other

substances that can ionize metallic silver are not found in the body.

This group may find it interesting that some silver products on the 
market

have been found to contain little or no silver. See:
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Reports/reports.html#results


Frank Key




- Original Message -
From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: CSDetecting Silver In The Blood



Frank writes:
My point is that if it is ionic silver, why can't an ISE measure 
their
presence? Atomic absorption/emission can detect the presence of 
silver

in the blood, but the ISE finds no silver ions.


Thank you for your continued presence and contribution to our list,
Frank. Indeed I appreciate the information about silver products 
you've

shared with the community at large.

That said, I do have to ask:  Why should we expect the silver in the
bloodstream still to be ionic? If it is complexed with something that
the body is using as a transport mechanism, is there any reason to see
it in a test for silver ions?

Does your high-particulate product show up in the bloodstream as ions,
or something else? Does ionic silver end up in the bloodstream, but
just not as free ions available for an ISE measurement?

Thanks!

Mike D.


[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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Re: CSBREAKING NEWS: UPDATE ON FDA AND CS GETTING OUT OF THE BOX?

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Regarding profits and the laws of the USA:

The US Senate has just passed a bill that, among other provisions, 
explicitly EXCLUDES all imported or re-imported medicines from those 
which are purchased with funds provided for medical payments by the 
government.


This clearly serves only the interests of pharmaceutical corporations 
in the USA,  as in many cases the re-imported drugs are identical in 
every respect.The new Senate majority leader, Bill Frist,  owner of 
ten of millions of dollars in his family-run Hospital Corporation of 
America,  was of course one of the heavyweight proponents of the 
legislation.


All of this ugly nonsense is very old news;Estes Kefauver testified 
to basically the same thing, before the US Congress, more than fifty 
years ago.



JBB




On Friday, Mar 19, 2004, at 08:49 Asia/Tokyo, Christine Carleton wrote:


Jim,

I work under the sphere of a Pharmacy complex in Canada - doing a 
natural

healing modality.  They use the same drugs they always have before the
'money issues came to surface'. The drugs continue to be manufactured 
in
Canada and the US to first world North American standards.  It's about 
money
- the rest is smoke.  Folks faced with lack of funds have made the 
decision
to order from Canada and even with shipping etc., its a bundle 
cheaper.  The
rest is scare tactics, media misdirection, and encouragement to keep 
higher
profit in the corporate pocket book and stockholders hands.  We have 
local
people who make their own CS, and it's kinda an underground industry 
which
some health food stores quietly stock for those who are more in the 
know.


Christine

Christine Carleton, C.B.P.
http://www.bodytalksystem.com




From: Jim kf4...@charter.net
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 17:30:45 -0600
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSBREAKING NEWS:UPDATE ON FDA   AND  CS 
GETTING OUT

OF THE BOX?
Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 15:30:30 -0800

I'm not sure about this but there was something going around a few 
weeks

ago about Canada getting drugs from Africa and labeling them so as to
look like the American made product, a generic equivalent.  Could 
Mexico
be doing the same thing?  According to American drug manufacturers 
they

aren't the same quality.

Jim

missett wrote:




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CSBREAKING NEWS: UPDATE ON FDA AND CS GETTING OUT OF THE BOX?

[patriot2000]

Jim wrote:
Whose making the money the pharmacy or the manufacturers?
I have a friend when walking up to her parents after graduating from
pharmacy school, waved her diploma and said this is my license to
steal. Her first job was a $100,000.00 job.
That was 10 years ago.
I think, Jim, the answer is -- there is enough blame to go around to
both pharmacies and manufacturers!
This is not the first time I have seen the following information.
The Life Extension Foundation had a big article entitled The
Shocking Truth Behind Prescription Drug Prices in its October 2002
issue, and the table below apparently is excerpted from it. What
follows just came in my e-mail again last night from a friend. I
think you may make a few reasonable inferences about the answers to your
questions from this.
Marlys

Subject: DRUG 
INFO

In
an independent
investigation of how much profit drug companies really make, the actual
price was obtained
of active ingredients
used in some of the most popular drugs sold in America. The chart below
speaks for itself.

Retail
Increase 

Cost of Cost
of
Above 

DRUG
100 TABS
Ingredients Cost 
Celebrex 100
mg
$130.27
$0.60
21,712%
Claritin 10
mg
$215.17
$0.71
30,306%
Keflex 250
mg
$157.39
$1.88
8,372%
Lipitor
20 mg
$272.37
$5.80
4,696%
Norvasc 10
mg
$188.29
$0.14
134,493%
Paxil
20 mg
$220.27
$7.60
2,898%
Prevacid 30
mg
$44.77
$1.01
34,136%
Prilosec 20
mg
$360.97
$0.52
69,417%
Prozac 20
mg
$247.47
$0.11
224,973%
Tenormin 50
mg
$104.47
$0.13
80,362%
Vasotec 10
mg
$102.37
$0.20
51,185%
Xanax
1mg
$136.79
$0.024
569,958%
Zestril
20 mg
$89.89
$3.20
2,809%
Zithromax 600mg
$1,482.19
$18.78
7,892%
Zocor
40mg
$350.27
$8.63
4,059%
Zoloft
50mg
$206.87
$1.75
11,821%



Since the cost of
prescription drugs is so outrageous, I thought everyone I knew should
know about this. Please read the following and pass it on.
It pays to shop around. This helps to solve the mystery as to why
they can afford to put a Walgreens on every
corner...

On Monday night, Steve
Wilson, an investigative reporter for channel 7 News in Detroit, did a
story on generic drug price gouging by pharmacies. He found in his
investigation, that some of these generic drugs were marked up as much as
3,000% or more. Yes, that's not a typo. three thousand percent!
So often, we blame the drug companies for the high cost of drugs, and
usually rightfully so. But in this case, the fault clearly lies with the
pharmacies themselves. For example, if you had to buy a prescription
drug, and bought the name brand, you might pay $100 for 100 pills.
The pharmacist might tell you that if you get the generic equivalent,
they would only cost $80, making you think you are saving
$20. What the pharmacist is not telling you is that those 100 generic
pills may have only cost him $10!
At the end of the report, one of the anchors asked Mr. Wilson whether
or not there were any pharmacies that did not adhere to this practice,
and he said that Cost co consistently charged little over their cost for
the generic drugs.

I went to the Costco site, where you can look up any drug, and get
its online price. It says that the in-store prices are consistent with
the online prices. I was appalled. Just to give you one example
from my own experience, I had to use the drug, Compazine, 
which helps prevent nausea in chemo patients. I used the generic
equivalent, which cost $54.99 for 60 pills at CVS. I checked the
price at Costco, and I! could have bought 100 pills for $19.89. For 145
of my pain pills, I paid $72.57. I could have got 150 at Costco for
$28.08. I would like to mention, that although Costco is a
membership type store, you do NOT have to be a member to buy
prescriptions there, as it is a 
federally regulated substance. You just tell them at the door that
you wish to use the pharmacy, and they will let you in.
I am asking each of you to please help me by copying this letter, and
pasting it into your own email, and send it to everyone you know with an
email address







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Re: CSDetecting Silver In The Blood

[Al Davis]

Frank Key wrote:


 If ionic silver is complexed and circulated with the blood, where is the
 evidence that would demonstrate the existence of such a mechanism?

Rosenzweig was recently awarded a $500,000 MacArthur Fellowship. She is an
expert in the structure and biochemistry of metalloproteins, specialized
proteins that are essential to the healthy functioning of all cells in the
human body. Her research focuses on how these essential yet toxic metal ions
are handled in cells and how metalloenzymes catalyze complex and difficult
chemical transformations. Image courtesy of Amy C. Rosenzweig, associate
professor in biochemistry, molecular biology and cell biology at
Northwestern University.


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RE: CSGlaucoma

[James Holmes]

Hi folks,
 
You wrote, For those that are interested in spiritual issues, marijuana
closes the crown chakra. 
 
For those that  are not interested in spiritual issues, what does it do?  
 
Seriously, Do you have any supporting data for that statement?
 
JOH
 
 
For those that are interested in spiritual issues, marijuana closes the
crown chakra-Original Message-
From: Christine Carleton [mailto:essential-liv...@telus.net] 
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 4:38 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSGlaucoma



Jan and Bob

For those that are interested in spiritual issues, marijuana closes the
crown chakra, so personally I would not see it as a solution to glaucoma.  I
would ask questions about what they don't want to see.  It is a frequency
issue - as is everything.  There are some essential oils that have helped
but that is not for this list.  My point is marijuana is also available in
Canada, and may be a solution to alleviate folks looking clearly at the
blockages and be appropriate for some, but it's certainly not a Universal
solution.

Christine



From: Jan Stoeten jstoe...@xs4all.nl
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 21:27:41 +0100
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSGlaucoma
Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
Resent-Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:27:41 -0800




Here in the Netherlands marijuana is sometimes PRESCRIBED by physicians for
Glaucoma. Nice place to live!

All the best,
Jan Stoeten,
The Netherlands


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From: Medwith, Robert mailto:robert.j.medw...@us.army.mil  
To: 'cs' mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com  
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:44 PM
Subject: CSGlaucoma

I have a friend that has Glaucoma, what will drops of CS in her eyes do for
her.
At what strength should the CS be and is there any things else that could or
should be added to the CS.
She is currently puting a RX drops in eyes (Lumigan).
I want to make sure CS will not react with what she is takeing (Lumigan).
Any and all help would be appreciated.
Any body have experiance with CS in eyes for Glaucoma.
Bob

RE: CSWhite bread

[James Holmes]

It does not spoil as fast.

JOH

-Original Message-
From: Dan Nave [mailto:dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com] 
Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 8:55 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CSWhite bread


Ode asked: 

Why does highly processed white bread cost less than unprocessed whole
wheat bread?

Apparently it is easier to de-germ (or whatever the technical name is for
the process) and mill white flour than it is to mill and use whole wheat
flour.  (or at least it was in the past...)  

Incidently, white bread has more protein per unit weight than whole wheat
bread...

Dan





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