CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2012 #60
Hi Judy, You asked: What constitutes one dose, please Jane? [This was in response to Jane MacRoss who said: One dose of Homeopathic Drosera 30 before bed usually fixes a cough permanently . ** One dose of any dry homeopathic remedy can be 2 pellets, or 1 -2 pellets dissolved in a couple of ounces of water (chlorine-free) and taken 1 with 1 teaspoon equaling one dose. Having said that, the reason I really responded to this post is to caution against taking the statement that Drosera 30 before bed will cure most coughs. This is what gives homeopathy a bad name. There are at least 50 homeopathic remedies that have coughing as a rubric. It is impossible to take one symptom like coughing and immediately come up with a homeopathic remedy for it. Instead, a homeopath will look at all the symptoms exhibited (things conventional MDs never look at or consider) and use this entire picture to choose an appropriate remedy. Homeopathic remedies have purposes printed on them but this is not to be taken that one merely reads the tubes and takes them according. In the US, we insist on imposing our current paradigm of medicine on things that don't fit in this paradigm so makers of homeopathic remedies list a couple of uses to appease the FTC. Occasionally you can get a sense of how much a person knows about homeopathy by how they present their suggestion. In this case, the suggestion came in the form of this statement: One dose of Homeopathic Drosera 30 before bed... When someone mentions a homeopathic remedy without noting a potency it is a guarantee that they have no real knowledge about homeopathy. When recommending homeopathic remedies these are virtually always stated with a potency following the name of the remedy. For instance, Drosera 30C, or Drosera 30X, or Drosera 200C, or Drosera LM3. It's not an oversight. It's not something people who are knowledgable about homeopathy would ever forget. Occasionally, there are remedies that are so impressive they work for one express purpose. One of these is Arnica. It should be taken upon the first notice of bruising. Also, if one is having a hear attack (it limits damage to the heart muscle). If I were recommending Arnica for an express purpose I would probably recommend Arnica 30C. Drosera has been found to be the premier remedy for whooping cough. Unfortunately, one cannot extrapolate from that this that Drosera is appropriate for all coughs. In fact, one of the most common concerns homeopaths have is having a patient take a remedy that offers a partial cure. This drives symptoms deeper into the system where one day they will emerge as a new health problem along a continuum than conventional medicine, for the most part, doesn't recognize. There is one example I can think of. This would be where one has chicken pox and then years later this returns as shingles. Here's a basic description of Drosera and the type of cough for which Drosera is most appropriate: ffects markedly the respiratory organs and was pointed out by Hahnemann as the principal remedy for whooping-cough. Drosera can break down resistance to tubercle and should therefore be capable of raising it (Dr. Tyler). Laryngeal phthisis is benefited by it. Phthisis pulmonum; vomiting of food from coughing with gastric irritation and profuse expectoration. Pains about hip-joint. Tubercular glands. Head.--Vertigo when walking in open air, with inclination to fall to the left side. Coldness of left half of face, with stinging pains and dry heat of right half. Stomach.--Nausea. Aversion to and bad effects from acids. Respiratory Organs.--Spasmodic, dry irritative cough, like whooping-cough, the paroxysms following each other very rapidly; can scarcely breathe; chokes. Cough very deep and hoarse; worse, after midnight; yellow expectoration, with bleeding from nose and mouth; retching. Deep, hoarse voice; hoarseness; laryngitis. Rough, scraping sensation deep in the fauces and soft palate. Sensation as if crumbs were in the throat, of feather in larynx. Laryngeal phthisis, with rapid emaciation. Harassing and titillating cough in children-not at all through the day, but commences as soon as the head touches the pillow at night. Clergyman's sore throat, with rough, scraping, dry sensation deep in the fauces; voice hoarse, deep, toneless, cracked, requires exertion to speak. Asthma when talking, with contraction of the throat at every word uttered. Extremities.--Paralytic pains in the coxo-femoral joint and thighs. Stiffness in joints of feet. All limbs feel lame. Bed feels too hard. Fever.--Internal chilliness; shivering, with hot face, cold hands, no thirst. Is always too cold, even in bed. Modalities.--Worse, after midnight, lying down, on getting warm in bed, drinking, singing, laughing. [END of Drosera description] The more times homeopathy is recommended in an inappropriate way and doesn't work, the more people there are who will complain homeopathy
Re: CSDMSO
Lisa wrote: Does anyone know where you can purchase 100% pharmaceutical grade DMSO (in glass bottles)? I've got the industrial strength 99.9% pure from the local Agway store and I understand it really shouldn't be used due to the impurities. I'm in the Northeast so would love to hear from everyone, but certainly northeastern places would help with shipping costs. ** It sounds like what you have is pharmaceutical grade. A product is not referred to as 100% pharmaceutical grade; it's either pharmaceutical grade or it's not. If you are referring to the designation of 99.9% pure. This indicates it is pharmaceutical grade. -- Regards, Catherine ~Sacred cows make the best hamburger.~ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSneed info on silver NOT killing beneficial bacteria
Hi Nenah, I wanted to comment on the statements on cells that you quoted. He writes: [beginning of quote] The subject about colloidal silver killing beneficial gut flora is an ongoing debate, between the people or groups who oppose to CS and to those who support it. All I can do is state the facts. 1) Anaerobic bacteria and nitrogen consuming bacteria that are pathological have THIN cell membranes, this is a known fact. 2) Beneficial bacteria which are aerobic i.e. oxygen breathing in nature have THICK cell membranes, which also is a known fact. ** Gram negative bacteria has a thinner cell wall than Gram positive bacteria, but the thicker cell wall possessed by the Gram positive bacteria does not necessarily mean this beneficial bacteria. In fact, most pathogenic bacteria in humans are Gram-positive organisms. Some Gram positive bacteria are spore-forming. Spore-forming bacteria can be categorized based on their respiration. For example, Bacillus is spore-forming and is a 'facultative anaerobe' while Clostridium, also spore-forming, is an 'obligate anaerobe'. A facultative anaerobe makes ATP by aerobic respiration but can also do this via fermentation if no oxygen is available. An obligate anaerobe cannot survive in the presence of oxygen. These designations are not exclusive to Gram positive bacteria; they also apply to some Gram negative bacteria. An example is E. coli which is Gram negative and is a facultative anaerobic organism. So, E. coli is Gram negative which gives it a thinner cell wall yet, it is a bacteria that can have negative consequences on our health; therefore, pathological. Further, it is oxygen breathing. At first I thought the above person who stated the facts basically reverse engineered her/his explanation to fit what s/he wanted the answer to be but as I was responding I realized that it is more a lack of information or a lack of understanding the information that is the problem. I hope this is helpful. -- Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Mercola
I understand Steve's point. I believe he is referring to the way Marcola presents things now. Many of his headlines sound like serious warnings They are overstated and dramatic. These are obviously designed to get people to click and read -- and buy. Imo, the drama makes him less credible. -- Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
CSsilver rods darkening
Hi All, I know this question has been answered before. Unfortunately, I can't recall the answer. I set up to make some CS the other night (I'm using the Silver Puppy). I cleaned my silver rods with a clean green scrubbing pad until they looked shiny. I used steam distilled water and checked it with a TDS prior to beginning. I also cleaned my vessel with 3% H2o2 and let it thoroughly dry. 1.5 hours later my rods were covered in black and wisps of black were in the bottom of my glass. What happened? Thanks. -- Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSStabilized oxygen
Dar List Members, I would deeply appreciate it if someone could point me in the direction of quality, in-depth information on stabilized oxygen. I'm looking only for someone who has spent the time coming to understand this, not just recommendations because you've heard it was good (unless you heard it from someone you really trust who has the heart of a scientist). Many thanks. -- Regards, Catherine -- Regards, Catherine Some men have thousands of reasons why they cannot do what they want to, when all they need is one reason why they can. -- Mary Frances Berry -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMagnesium
My machine refuses to open this message without my giving a name and a password. How do I get these registered with this site? Ruth htmldivFrom Ruth Strackbein/div/html Gayle, I wasnt able to acess that site. Maybe it is down today. Wayne, you didnt mention the glycinate form of magnesium. do you know anything about that?I think the sulfate form is what is in Epsom salts. ** The username and password are provided right there above the boxes to enter them. -- Regards, Catherine Some men have thousands of reasons why they cannot do what they want to, when all they need is one reason why they can. -- Mary Frances Berry -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSevere muscle cramps
I am increasing my magnesium intake and my Vitamin E also. ** Add potassium (198 mg) to this combination above, and then take 500 mg Calcium whenever you want as long as it isn't at the same time as the magnesium, and you should be cramp-free. Oh, yes, drink enough clean water. -- Regards, Catherine Some men have thousands of reasons why they cannot do what they want to, when all they need is one reason why they can. -- Mary Frances Berry
CSRe: Bile salts
Dear Dee, You aid: I was googling this and found an article which says that bile salts are produced by the liver and are actually cholesterol. Any thoughts on this? I had understood that I should buy a supplement of bile salts because I have no gall bladder but cannot find anyone who sells this. In light of the above information, I suppose it is not surprising! Dee ** I used BILE SALTS SUPPLEMENT as a search term on Google and got a number of hits showing supplements. http://tinyurl.com/2ntsl3 -- Regards, Catherine Some men have thousands of reasons why they cannot do what they want to, when all they need is one reason why they can. -- Mary Frances Berry -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2007 #294
Dear Ruth, You said: The surgeon I am working with says the same thing. He very much does not want to do the surgery except as a last resort . I am not sure I can convince him about using alternative things, though. When I mentioned Bentonite Clay, for instance, with regard to increasing fiber, ( withpsyllium), he said he didn't know anything about that. ** You don't have to convince him of anything. It is you who would take it, not he. You don't need his permission. It's YOUR body. He has yet to fix it for you. As I've been following this thread I've had a number of thoughts. I wondered how much you walk each day, what you eat in a typical week, and how much water you drink. You said: He is going out of his way with these twice weekly phone consultations. I hesitate about things like homozon, I not only hae to deal with my colon, but also with this quite severe burning upper center ribcage burning which is almost harder to put up with than the bowel problem. All of the doctors I have worked with since the surgery thing was arrived at after the transit time test and the Bowel X-ray series have said that the surgery would not solve all my problems, but would make the upper thing easier to manage. I get reall swamped with all the different suggestions for what to do alternatively. I am always concerned about what a change will do to me. The chiropractor I go to told me that I am the only patient he has ever treated that did not respong positively to using Bentonite Clay and psyllium. He has been in business in this area for many years.. ** I know others who did not respond to bentonite clay. Usually, it's people for whom the problem begins prior to the colon. LAPs and TAPs are abbreviations for lactic acid-producing and toxic agents- producing microbes in the bowel. LAPs preserve the normal bowel ecosystem, TAPs disrupt it. LAPs normalize bowel transit time. LAPS -- Bifidobacterium, Lactobacillus TAPS -- Proteus, Pseudomonas, Salmonella, Escherichia, Bacteroides, Clostridium, Peptococci, Peptostreptococcus, Streptococcus, Staphylococcus LAPs play a pivotal role in digestion. Lactose intolerance is a very common clinical problem. It is often not fully appreciated that a major portion of lactose ingested in dairy products is actually broken down to simpler sugars by lactase enzymes produced by lactic acid producers. Lactic acid and lactase producers also play important roles in protein digestion. This is one of the primary reasons protein intolerance is so common among individuals with bowel dysfunction. Repopulation of the gut with microflora that have been destroyed by indiscriminate use of antibiotics or crowded out by the unrestrained proliferation of yeast and bacterial organisms helps the bowels to work properly again. Bifidobacterium and Lactobacillus (probiotics) are crucial to this effort as are B vitamins, especially B12, biotin, and pantetheine (a more potent form of pantothenic acid). Are your hands often cold? This symptom gives some clues as to where to look for the bowel problems. Cold hands and slow bowel transit time is caused by one of the following -- oxidatively-damaged thyroid enzymes (underactive thyroid gland), oxidatively-damaged autonomic nerve cells and fibers (dysautonomia) or an oxidatively-overdriven adrenalin gland. Another thing to consider is that chronic anger, hostility, conflict, and a sense of being a victim — both slow down the bowel transit time and significantly reduce perfusion in different parts of the alimentary tract. These emotions adversely affect the adrenalin gland. This may or may not be factor for you. You may or may not find some of this helpful. I just thought I'd throw it out here. Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Argyria
Hi Smitty, You said: I asked a chemist once why Orientals Amerindians turn red when they drink alcohol. He said they lack an enzyme to break down the alcohol, and it goes directly into their bloodstream. Could you elaborate ? Smitty ** Alcohol is detoxified in the human body in two enzymatic steps. First, alcohol is oxidized to acetaldehyde by the enzyme alcohol dehydrogenase. However, acetaldehyde is even more toxic than alcohol, so it is quickly oxidized to acetate by a second enzyme, aldehyde dehydrogenase. This enzyme appears in either an active or inactive form is the one some races and ethnic groups are lacking. Both of these enzymes use the cofactor nicotinamide adenine dinucleotide (NAD) to provide the oxidizing power needed for these transformations. The need for the special redox talents of NAD places an important limit on the amount of alcohol that may be detoxified. Human cells build a collection of variants of these two enzymes. Six separate genes for alcohol dehydrogenase are found in the human genome, and several of these show multiple alleles. To further complicate the matter, active complexes may be formed in many cases by mixing two different types into one dimeric structure. This leads to a wide range of activities of the different forms, both in their detoxification of alcohol and their transformations of similar substrates. For instance, a particularly active form of alcohol dehydrogenase is common in people from the Pacific Rim. This might be a good thing, except that many of these individuals also carry an inactive form of aldehyde dehydrogenase, and thus they cannot metabolize the acetaldehyde that is so efficiently formed. These people are highly sensitive to alcohol, suffering from severe side effects of acetaldehyde poisoning when they drink alcoholic beverages. Two probable mechanisms involve the enzymes of alcohol detoxification. The acetaldehyde formed in the first step may be a major culprit. Acetaldehyde is a reactive compound that forms covalent complexes with proteins and DNA, and thus may act as a mutagen. Alcohol abuse also induces the production of a specific cytochrome P450 enzyme —CYP2E1 — which is able to work with alcohol dehydrogenase to oxidize alcohol. This enzyme, however, also forms dangerous reactive oxygen species and can activate environmental procarcinogens into their carcinogenic forms. There is much more info on this topic. I've given you a place to begin your own research. Here's an article: http://sulcus.berkeley.edu/mcb/165_001/papers/manuscripts/_298.html Good luck in your research! On 2/5/07, Catherine Creel catherine.cr...@gmail.com wrote: I'm glad this was brought up. What you're talking about here is P-450 enzymes. We all have them but what makes us biochemically unique is that we all have differing amount of these particular enzymes. Occasionally, one or more is completely absent. These enzymes are also highly polymorphic, meaning that if you are of Asian descent you would most likely be deficient in an enzyme called 2D6. If you were of Northern European descent you would usually have plenty of 2D6. The P-450 enzymes are a system of enzymes that detoxify drugs people take, foods we eat, water we drink, and the air we breathe. Without these enzymes we would be unable to survive. Here is a primer on P-450 enzymes: http://home.earthlink.net/~cpardee/ -- Regards, Catherine Some men have thousands of reasons why they cannot do what they want to, when all they need is one reason why they can. -- Mary Frances Berry -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Argyria
I'm glad this was brought up. What you're talking about here is P-450 enzymes. We all have them but what makes us biochemically unique is that we all have differing amount of these particular enzymes. Occasionally, one or more is completely absent. These enzymes are also highly polymorphic, meaning that if you are of Asian descent you would most likely be deficient in an enzyme called 2D6. If you were of Northern European descent you would usually have plenty of 2D6. The P-450 enzymes are a system of enzymes that detoxify drugs people take, foods we eat, water we drink, and the air we breathe. Without these enzymes we would be unable to survive. Here is a primer on P-450 enzymes: http://home.earthlink.net/~cpardee/ -- Regards, Catherine Some men have thousands of reasons why they cannot do what they want to, when all they need is one reason why they can. -- Mary Frances Berry
CSRadiation and silver
Hi All, I think this abstract gives some sens of the effects of radiation in the presence of silver. It appears to me that those who advisde against are doing this because they have no knowledge from which to formulate a true response. Int J Radiat Biol. 1992 Mar;61(3):369-79. Increased radiation tolerance of mouse tongue epithelium after local conditioning. Dorr W, Kummermehr J. GSF-Institut fur Strahlenbiologie, W-8042 Neuherberg, Germany. The effect of local stimulation on mitotic activity and radiation tolerance was studied in mouse tongue mucosa. Silver nitrate solution (0.5-20%) was used for local conditioning. The most effective protocol comprised three daily treatments (days 0-2), yielding a delayed increase in 24 h mitotic counts by about 30% on days 5-7. The stimulating effect was independent of silver nitrate concentration. Sham treatment with saline or anaesthesia alone clearly depressed mitotic activity on days 2-4 without any subsequent overshoot. Radiation treatment was initiated on day 5 after three daily treatments with 3% silver nitrate solution. A top-up technique was employed, consisting of fractionated irradiation (300 kV X-rays) of the whole snout, followed by graded local test doses (25 kV X-rays) to induce denudation in a confined area of the inferior tongue surface. Silver nitrate conditioning did not alter the radiosensitivity of the epithelium to single local doses, but shortened the latency to denudation from 11 to 8 days. In contrast, a clear increase in tolerance to fractionated irradiation, delivering 5 x 2.5, 5 x 3.5, 5 x 4.5 Gy or 3 x 5.2 Gy in 7 days, was observed, equivalent to about four, two, one and two extra dose fractions. This approach may be a suitable way to increase radiation tolerance of oral mucosa in clinical radiotherapy. PMID: 1347070 -- Regards, Catherine Some men have thousands of reasons why they cannot do what they want to, when all they need is one reason why they can. -- Mary Frances Berry -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSEfficacy of antibiotic treatment for Lyme disease
From the National Library of Medicine: Clinical Alert: Chronic Lyme Disease Symptoms Not Helped by Intensive Antibiotic Treatment National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease (NIAID) Results of the first randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind trials testing antibiotics in patients with a stubborn form of Lyme disease those whose symptoms persist after standard courses of antibiotics validate that these patients suffer significant pain and other disabling symptoms. The two trials found, however, that a 90-day course of intravenous and oral antibiotics was no better than placebo at improving these chronic symptoms. Because of their potential importance to Lyme disease treatment, The New England Journal of Medicine is publishing these findings today online at http://www.nejm.org. The report will appear in the July 12th print edition of the journal. The studies were funded by a National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) contract to Mark S. Klempner, M.D., of Boston University School of Medicine. Our results suggest that we need to define the cause or causes of the debilitating, persisting symptoms experienced by some patients with Lyme disease. Understanding the origin of these symptoms should lead to more effective therapeutic approaches to ameliorate these symptoms, says Dr. Klempner. Based on experience with other chronic infectious diseases caused by persisting bacteria syphilis, tuberculosis, and ulcers, for example we think it is unlikely that a longer course of treatment or different antibiotic combination would result in greater improvement than what we found in these studies. Significantly, more than 700 different blood and cerebrospinal fluid samples were collected from the study volunteers. None of the samples showed evidence of persistent infection with the Lyme agent, Borrelia burgdorferi. This suggests, Dr. Klempner says, that researchers should investigate autoimmune and other processes to determine whether they play a role in a least some of the symptoms of chronic Lyme disease. The trials were carried out by primary investigators and their staffs at three centers: New England Medical Center in Boston (Dr. Klempner's former affiliation); New York Medical College in Valhalla (Arthur Weinstein, M.D.); and Yale-New Haven Hospital in Connecticut (Janine Evans, M.D.) Volunteers were recruited through hundreds of screening clinics set up in schools, hospitals, and town halls located in these areas where Lyme disease is highly endemic. A total of 129 volunteers enrolled in the two studies. All participants had well-documented Lyme disease and had previously received at least one course of recommended antibiotics. Despite prior antibiotic treatment, the volunteers currently suffered from persisting muscle or joint pains and complained of memory and thinking problems, often associated with fatigue. Although both trials were identical in design, one trial enrolled 78 chronic Lyme disease patients who tested positive for antibodies to the Lyme bacterium, while the other trial enrolled 51 people with chronic symptoms but no evidence of antibodies. In each study, volunteers were assigned at random to receive either antibiotic treatment or an inactive placebo. Treatment consisted of intravenous ceftriaxone, 2 grams daily, for 30 days, followed by oral doxycycline, 200 milligrams daily, for 60 days. The investigators evaluated symptom improvement based on the patients' responses to a health-related quality-of-life questionnaire given 90 days after they completed the course of antibiotic treatment or placebo. An interim data analysis planned into the design of the trials was carried out last November by a Data and Safety Monitoring Board (DSMB), an independent group of doctors and researchers. The DSMB unanimously recommended that NIAID stop the treatment arm of both trials because the data showed no significant difference in the percentage of patients who received either antibiotic treatment or placebo who felt their symptoms had improved, worsened, or stayed the same: a little more than one-third felt better, about one-third felt worse, and slightly less than one-third felt the same. The DSMB's review suggested that even with continued accrual of another 131 patients, the number needed to reach full enrollment, there was only a slight chance a difference between the antibiotic treatment and placebo groups would be found. NIAID agreed with the DSMB's recommendation, as well as their recommendation that the investigators continue to follow the patients to monitor them for safety and to learn more about possible causes of chronic Lyme disease. Although we still have much to learn, says Dr. Klempner, we know much more about chronic Lyme disease now than we did when these studies began. Besides the information obtained about the efficacy of intensive antibiotic treatment, the investigators found that the impact of Lyme disease on physical health was at least equal to
CS Re: Bottles - A Good Source
Regarding bottles, I've found www.specialtybottles.com to be least expensive with no minimum. -- Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: white diarrhea
Hi, Excuse me for not including your post and your name but I accidentally trashed the digest. I think there was some confusion about what was white -- the vomit or the diarrhea. The way I read it I believe it is the diarrhea. Is this correct? This only documentation of this in humans is in literature on Hep A. I don't know what to tell you here but I do know how to fix it. Personally, I wouldn't do a liver cleanse on a child that age. Homeopathy has documentation of white diarrhea but there are a few different remedies depending on other symptoms. If you want to post those (including anything that might be referred to as emotional symptoms) I'd be glad to let you know which remedy is most fitting. -- Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: CS/h2o2/Gatorade mixture
Pedialyte Ingredients http://www.drugs.com/PDR/Pedialyte_Oral_Electrolyte_Maintenance_Solution.html Unflavored: (Pareve,(u)) Water, dextrose; Less than 2% of: potassium citrate, sodium chloride, sodium citrate, and citric acid. Fruit Flavor: (Pareve, (u)) Water, dextrose; Less than 2% of: fructose, citric acid, natural and artificial fruit flavors, potassium citrate, sodium chloride, sodium citrate, sucralose, acesulfame potassium and Yellow 6. Grape Flavor: (Pareve, (u)) Water, dextrose; Less than 2% of: fructose, citric acid, potassium citrate, sodium chloride, artificial grape flavor, sodium citrate, sucralose, acesulfame potassium, Red 40 and Blue 1. Bubble Gum Flavor: (Pareve, (u)) Water, dextrose; Less than 2% of: fructose, citric acid, potassium citrate, sodium chloride, sodium citrate, artificial bubble gum flavor, sucralose, acesulfame potassium and Red 40. Freezer Pops: (Pareve,(u)) Water, dextrose; Less than 2% of: citric acid, sodium chloride, sodium carboxymethylcellulose, potassium citrate, potassium sorbate, sodium benzoate, sucralose and acesulfame potassium; Grape also contains: Natural and artificial grape flavor, Red 40 and Blue 1; Cherry also contains: Natural and artificial cherry flavor and Red 40; Orange also contains: Natural and artificial orange flavor, Yellow 6 and Red 40; Blue Raspberry also contains: Natural and artificial blue raspberry flavor and Blue 1. Cherry Singles: (Pareve, (u)) Water, dextrose; Less than 2% of: fructose, citric acid, sodium chloride, potassium citrate, sodium citrate, artificial cherry flavor, potassium sorbate, sodium benzoate, sucralose, acesulfame potassium and Red 40. Apple Singles: (Pareve, (u)) Water, dextrose; Less than 2% of: fructose, citric acid, sodium chloride, potassium citrate, sodium citrate, potassium sorbate, sodium benzoate, artificial apple flavor, caramel color, acesulfame potassium and sucralose. UNFLAVORED PEDIALYTE LIQUID PROVIDES (per liter): Sodium, 45 mEq; potassium, 20 mEq; chloride, 35 mEq; dextrose, 25 g; Calories, 100. (FAN 9003) FLAVORED PEDIALYTE LIQUID PROVIDES (per liter): Sodium, 45 mEq; potassium, 20 mEq; chloride, 35 mEq; dextrose, 20 g; fructose, 5 g; Calories, 100. (FAN 9003) PEDIALYTE FREEZER POPS PROVIDE (per liter): Sodium, 45 mEq; potassium, 20 mEq; chloride, 35 mEq; dextrose, 25 g; Calories, 100. PEDIALYTE SINGLES PROVIDE (8 fl oz): Sodium, 10.6 mEq; potassium, 4.7 mEq; chloride, 8.3 mEq; dextrose, 4.7 g; fructose, 1.2 g; Calories 24. -- Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: CS- Schizophrenia
Dear Jonathan, You said: I agree with what you say, Nenah, and thank you for the reply. It is regrettable that there electro-medicine remains so obscure, though. What I would like to see is the kind of disprovable confirmation of my speculation that would lead to acceptance and widespread use among people who treat mental illnesses.If you are aware of any researchers who have the funding and ability to carry out the kind of double or triple-blind studies needed, please let the list know. It would be interesting to follow such work.I did read a newspaper article some years ago about the new low-energy variations of electro-convulsive therapy, but the clinicians using it seemed to have no clear idea of why it worked. C. Creel may know whether anyone has ever used electro-medicine successfully to treat schizophrenia. It would be good to know if so. Bob Beck claimed great results with addictive disorders. ** Actually, the latest research in conventional treatment is on TMS (Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation). It is still in the experimental phase and most trials (at least in the U.S.) are geared toward depression. I've heard of one trial for schizophrenia. http://pni.unibe.ch/TMS.htm http://apu.sfn.org/content/Publications/BrainBriefings/magnetic_stimulation.html http://www.musc.edu/tmsmirror/articles.html My understanding is that in Germany there are brain tuner units that are highly sophisticated. Naturally, medicine ignores anything that is not from conventional sources. -- Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: The healing properties of cats
Dear Jonathan, Torrey may not get any money from the government but he is heavily funded by the pharmaceutical industry and is responsible for creating a program used by 42 states to force people to take brain-disabling psychotropic drugs or be involuntarily hospitalized if they don't. It masquerades under the benign program title Assisted Outpatient Treatment. This, of course, was also supported by the drug industry. While the article you read may have been interesting, some important points were left out. E Fuller Torrey, M.D. is the sweetheart of the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill (NAMI). NAMI receives millions of dollars a year from the pharmaceutical industry. Torrey has an institute called The Stanley Medical Research Institute. It wasn't always called this. In 1989, The Stanley Medical Research Programs were established by Theodore and Vada Stanley to support research on schizophrenia. From 1989 to 1998, the research programs were carried out by the National Alliance for the Mentally Ill Institute (NRI) and administrative activities were carried out by NAMI. In 1998, NRI moved their offices and hired internal administrative staff. They are still an extension of NAMI. In 2002, they renamed themselves The Stanley Medical Research Institute. 74% of their 36 million dollar budget goes to clinical trials and drug development with only 7% going to brain studies. NAMI is known for its ties to the pharmaceutical industry and its role in pressuring politicians to support forced community treatment and involuntary hospitalization if people don't comply. Since 1999, Eli Lilly has loaned a pharma executive to NAMI while continuing to pay the salary. References to NAMI's funding: November/December 1999 Mother Jones article, 'An Influential Mental Health Nonprofit Finds Its Grassroots Watered by Pharmaceutical Millions,' by Ken Silverstein. The article focused on the enormous amount of funding which NAMI receives from pharmaceutical companies, with Eli Lilly and Co. taking the lead by donating nearly $3 million to NAMI between 1996 and 1999. According to Silverstein, NAMI took in a little more than $11 million from 18 drug companies for that period. This report info was gained undercover. An explanation follows. Written by David Oaks, director of Mind Freedom (www.mindfreedom.org), a grassroots organization that supports a person's right to choose to take psychotropic drugs or not. This was written to a NAMI representative. I note that for several years the NAMI Consumer Council has requested that the NAMI board of directors adopt a policy of full disclosure about the exact amount that NAMI receives from the psychiatric drug industry. The NAMI board and director have refused to do this for years. NMHA, WFMH, APA, etc. all have such disclosure policies. To this day, the NAMI board of directors has refused to adopt such a full public disclosure policy, and keeps the huge amount of money from the drug companies secret from NAMI members (and I myself am listed as a NAMI member by the way). NAMI has released general information about corporate funding, but no public accounting is available about the drug company funding. In fact, Mother Jones had to send an under cover reporter inside NAMI headquarters to document this link to the drug industry (they and we won a Project Censored prize for journalism for that investigation). This information is on our web site in CAMPAIGNS - PSYCHIATRIC INDUSTRY WATCH - and then NAMI WATCH. There are even photocopies of some checks. ** This is just the tip of the iceberg with Torrey and NAMI. I worked with Torrey for 2 years when I first graduated. He used to criticize the drug industry; now he is in bed with them. -- Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: The healing properties of cats
Dear Jonathan, You said: One leading medical researcher has devoted his career to the theory that toxoplasm gondii, from cats, particularly their excrement, is a leading, though not sole, cause of schizophrenia.The recent issue of Esquire features an article about this MD. Those who are interested will find it readily enough. Bottom line: cats (and dogs) kept in the house pose risks to their owners. ** Jonathan, the way this is worded can be misleading. The most recent journal article about this is from Psychopathology 2005;38:87–90. In the introduction the article states: It is widely accepted that multiple factors are involved in the aetiology of schizophrenia and its psychopathology. Family and adoption studies support a genetic component to disease risk. Epidemiological studies have shown that environmental factors such as perinatal infections, urban birth and winter-spring birth can also play a role [1] . Toxoplasma gondii (TG) has been identified as a candidate infectious agent related to schizophrenia [2] . Further on in the introduction the authors state (asterisks mine for emphasis): We have previously shown an increased level of antibodies to TG in individuals with first-episode schizophrenia as compared to a control group (p 0.1–0.2) [8] . *** While this increase did not reach the significance level***, a similar finding was published by Gu et al. [9] . In the present study, we therefore asked whether antibodies to TG are associated with the clinical psychopathological presentation and response to treatment of individuals with first-episode schizophrenia. The authors presented three possibilities for the presence of TG antibodies. They then state: The first possibility can be ruled out in first-episode patients who have received little or no treatment. The second and third hypotheses may be linked to one another but can neither be proven nor disproven with the current data and they warrant further studies. One possibility is that endogenous retroviruses may serve as a link between activation of TG infections and psychosis [20] . A major limitation of the present study is the crosssectional design. As early as 1956, Wende [21] cautioned that TG positivity only proves that an infection has occurred but does not establish a causal relationship between the current disease and TG. Sufficient proof has to include high antibody titres and titre fluctuations via serial examinations. Despite their limitations, our results explain more than half of the variance of IgM antibodies to TG. Since these are acute-phase antibodies, their presence in first-episode schizophrenia patients suggests an influence of TG in the causes of schizophrenic psychopathology. Our results need further testing and a replication is currently under way. [citations below signature] ** There have been other studies prior to this one that showed nothing more than this did. My point is that statements that TG is a leading cause of schizophrenia or that causality between TG and schizophrenia has been proven, could have people believing things for which there is no definitive evidence at this time. I've cc'd this to the OT list in case of further discussion. Regards, Catherine 1 Torrey EF, Rawlings R, Yolken RH: The antecedants of psychoses: A case-control study of selected risk factors. Schizophr Res 2000; 46: 17–23. 2 Torrey EF, Yolken RH: Toxoplasma gondii may contribute to the aetiology of schizophrenia. Emerg Infect Dis, in press. 8 Yolken RH, Bachmann S, Rouslanova I, Lillehoj E, Ford G, Torrey EF, Schröder J: Antibodies to Toxoplasma gondii in individuals with first-episode schizophrenia. Clin Infect Dis 2001; 32: 842–844. 9 Gu H, Yolken RH, Phillips M, Yang F, Bilder RM, Gilmore JH, Lieberman JA: Evidence of Toxoplasma gondii infection in recent-onset schizophrenia (abstract). Schizophr Res 2001; 49: 53. 20 Karlsson H, Bachmann S, Schröder J, McArthur J, Torrey EF, Yolken RH: Retroviral RNA identified in the cerebrospinal fluids and brains of individuals with schizophrenia. Proc Natl Acad Sci USA 2001; 98: 4634–4639. 21 Wende S: Die Bedeutung der Toxoplasmose für die Neurologie und Psychiatrie. Arch Psychiatr Nervenkr Z Gesamte Neurol Psychiatr 1956; 194: 179–199. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Aluminum cookware
This site has the breakdown of Teflon on it. http://www.fluoridealert.org/1.q-z.fluoride.pesticides.htm -- Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Aluminum cookware
Another good site from which to research Teflon is http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/cgi-bin/sis/search -- Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Type I diabetes...
Dear Mike, Type 1 diabetes is considered to be an autoimmune disease in which T lymphocytes infiltrate the islets of pancreas and destroy the insulin producing beta cell population. Besides antigen specificity, the quality of immune reactivity against islet cell antigen(s) is an important determinant of the beta cell destruction. Evidence indicates that the function of the gut immune system is central in the pathogenesis. The role of virus infections in the pathogenesis of type 1 diabetes has been supported by substantial new evidence suggesting that enteroviruses may trigger the beta-cell damaging process in a considerable proportion of people. Ozone treatment is effective in eliminating enteroviruses. The latest evidence comes from studies indicating the presence of viral genome in diabetic patients and from prospective studies confirming epidemiological risk effect. Of the dietary putative etiological factors, cow's milk proteins have received the main attention. Many studies indicate an association between early exposure to dietary cow's milk proteins and an increased risk of type 1 diabetes. Another dietary factor emerging is the deficiency of vitamin D. Among toxins, N-nitroso compounds are the main candidates. -- Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: More nanosilver
Terry Chamberlain said: There are actually three points to all this discussion: One, that we need to speak like the rest of the scientific world, using their vocabulary and definitions of terms so that they will at least listen to us. Two, that we need to differentiate between large-sized silver particles - what we have been calling *colloidal* - and small-sized silver particles - what we have been calling *ionic* - and three, that the term, *nanosilver* is a term already being utilized by the mainline scientific community to describe silver particles of a very small size. Why don't we use this term also? ** Terry has beautifully articulated the issues facing us when trying to speak to the scientific community (and even lay people) and those who perceive themselves as being a part of the scientific community (M.D.s) about CS. I wholly agree that this would be a great task for the group to tackle and necessary if we want to break down the walls between those who know of the efficacy and safety of CS and those who don't. Sign me up for this project. I'll help in any way I can. -- Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: What to do about a broken toe (black salve)
[I've sent a copy of this to the OT list in case this turns into an extended discussion. --Catherine] I've been following this thread and would like to provide some resources for salves like the black salve mentioned. http://www.cancersalves.com/ This is an excerpt from a page at www.planetherbs.com . The link I have is outdated which is why I am providing the excerpt. The late Dr. Raymond Christopher created a Black Ointment drawing salve that contained potent anti-cancer herbs such as poke root and black walnut bark. Many consider this to be only for drawing out slivers and such embedded in the flesh, but in fact, the salve is also used for drawing out cancers and tumors. In recent times various formulas for the salve has been sold or given away by various clandestine individuals who are mostly motivated by the desire to help provide patients with a less invasive and harmful method to remove cancers from various parts of the body. One of the most startling facts is that the use of escharotics has been and continues to be an accepted and recognized medical procedure. A medical text entitled Chemosurgery: Microscopically controlled Surgery for Skin Cancer was written by Dr. Frederic E. Mohs, B.Sc., M.D. and last published by Charles Thomas in 1978. It uses the same basic escharotic paste used by Eli Jones, Hoxsey, and others for application for topical application for the removal of various cancers, molls, warts and other growths and excrescences. Dr. Mohs was clinical Professor of Surgery at the University of Wisconsin Medical School . As recently as the late 1960's Vipont pharmaceuticals under the name of Vipont Chemical Co. of Fort Collins, Colorado, was formed by a rodeo cowboy named Howard McCrorey and two friends specifically to research and develop the salve for FDA approval. At one point they informally sent it off to an investigator of Mayo clinic to be tested for its efficacy in treating cancer. The investigator sent back two letters stating he had not tested anything that even came close to the anti-tumor activity of the salve. In order to keep the company viable they performed various contract work. As a result they brought a toothpaste to market called Viadent which utilized the ingredients of their salve to maintain dental hygiene and prevent and cure periodontal disease. It was and still is very effective and the company was eventually bought up by Colgate who is the manufacturer of Viadent. The Escharotic Black Salve researched by Vipont is the basic one that is usually found. It consists of Equal parts powdered bloodroot, galangal, zinc chloride and distilled water. Other versions of this add white flour to make more of a paste consistency. Besides its topical use, there is a tradition of internal use for cancer and all infectious and inflammatory diseases. Vipont conducted an LD/50 toxicity study of the salve for internal use. It was reported that the LD/50 was around 700mg per kilogram of body weight. Since the recommended dose for internal use is no greater than 250mg, at this level toxicity is very low. However, it should never be taken on an empty stomach as it can be too irritating. The salve can be taken in a 00-sized gelatin capsule as it is taken each day. Vipont and company has documented the use of the salve for a wide variety of problems, ranging from the removal of warts, moles and skin cancers to other internal cancers, colds, eye problems (diluted in a saline solution, one part salve to 1000 parts water), staff infections, impotency, skin diseases, gastrointestinal inflammations and other conditions too numerous to list. One representative who reported this story and was on the Board of Directors of Vipont Chemical Company, Clark Bigham stated that my inclination is to try it for just about any known condition other than stomach ulcers and auto-immune diseases. Other versions can be found here: http://planetherbs-com.site-etc.net/showcase/docs/black_salve.html http://planetherbs-com.site-etc.net/showcase/docs/thoughts_on_the_use_of_escharoti.htm -- Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPediatricians firing patients
On 11/9/05, Lea Ann lsav...@cfl.rr.com wrote: Hello, I read your article with interest. I found your article to be biased towards the established medical system. ** Is this a copy of a letter you sent to the newspaper in response to the article? I'm asking because of your use of the phrase your article. The article came from a newspaper and was posted here. I'm not sure why doctors firing patients upsets anyone. If a physician does this then your philosophies about health care are not compatible and this is a poor choice in doctors for you anyway. This gives people the opportunity to find a practitioner with whom they are more compatible. As an alternative practitioner, I can understand not wanting to work with people whose ideas of health care radically differ from my ideas. I won't work with people who think I am here only to serve them as they wish to be served. The way I see it is that I sell a service. If you don't like my service, don't buy it. I don't want to work with people whose fundamental beliefs in medicine are not compatible with mine. I can't serve these people well. Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSpanic attack / anxiety help/remedy...
Dear Dino, You said: , i've been trying to get my girlfriend to come off the xanax... she was previously on buspar... and i think i'm finally starting to get thru to her (cuz she's starting to realize that taking them nearly every day can't be good) and i was wondering if anyone could recommend an alternative approach to these sorts of issues... most of the products that i have seen have either B-vitamins or herbs such as passion flower, valerian, kava, etc ** I have a Yahoo Group fro just this purpose. I've done this kind of work (helping people get off psychotropic drugs and address health non-pharmaceutically) professionally for over 20 years. If you write to me privately at catherine.cr...@gmail.com I'll send you the group info. -- Regards, Catherine
Re: CSpanic attack / anxiety help/remedy...
** Steve is right. This does work well with many people. The issue your girlfriend is facing right now, though, is withdrawal that was most likely too fast unless she did only 5-10% decreases at a time. This is a physiological problem EFT does not correct (I know this because I use EFT with people who are not in the throes of withdrawal and it works well. It does nothing for those in withdrawal). On 11/7/05, scl...@netzero.net scl...@netzero.net wrote: EFT works amazingly well for most anxiety issues. It is not an herb but a form accupressure accept with EFT you simply tap certain nerve meridian points as you focus on what specifically is causing the anxiety. I helped me through a major panic/anxiety attack. It usually begins to work withing in minutes. Youcan actually feel your anxiety begin to clear as you tap these meridian points. I can teach it to you or her right over the phone or you can go to emofree.com http://emofree.com/ and download the 80 page free tutorial. It takes some time to get a full handle on it the first time so that's why I recommend getting someone to help you with it. After the first time it's easy to remember how to use it. In fact I have taught EFT to children in minutes with amazing results on anxiety, OCD, pain and many other issues. Give me a holler if you want some fast relief right over the phone. -- Regards, Catherine
Re: CSCS reply from DR Judd about bar soap
Deat Larry, This is from http://www.ivory.com/FAQ.htm : Ivory Soap is made of both vegetable oils and animal fats. Two different kinds of vegetable oils are used in Ivory - coconut oil and palm kernel oil. We add a preservative, less than 1/10% of tetrasodium EDTA, to keep the bar as white as its name. Ivory contains no dyes or heavy perfumes and creams. A light fragrance is added to provide that Ivory clean smell. Regards, Catherine Larry said: (I'll add.. a moisturising soap will have added glycerine and I belive ivory will be very low, if any. I'm yet to hear back from the ivory folks regarding the question has the gyl. been removed from ivory bar soap/)
Re: CSRE: Glad cow syndrome
Dear Barbara, You may want to look at the anecdotes at this site prior to making a decision about ibogaine. http://www.ibogaine.org/ Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA WARNING from Health CooP
Dear Rod, You said: Tel, thanks for writing back to these jokers. I won't be... woof, woof! meow! fair members ? I think these retired Doctors have been at the gas and air once too often. The guy isn't a doctor. That's why he's hiding out in the islands. He was exposed as a fraud and huckster.. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA WARNING from Health CooP
You are misinformed. There ARE those that don't like him though. That's part of life... No, Chuck, I'm really not. All the evidence is available. I don't make statements based upon others' statements. I look for facts. I found them. Kallie Miller has all the links to the evidence. I think she is a member of this group. His actual name is Stewart. I don't have the time to re-create the trail. Perhaps Kallie will speak up. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA WARNING from Health CooP
i am a member of this co-op and enjoy the prices and all. i took exception to his comments r.e. Cs, and sent him an email. but i have heard you expound your beliefs on several topics, and would like you to back up your statements here. As I said, Kallie Miller has all the evidence. She can be found on Yahoo group Mr. Tracy's Corner. I don't expound beliefs, I expound facts. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA WARNING from Health CooP
Kallie is part of mr Tracys' group. They allow character assassination as long as it's not about their own members. Went through all of this a year ago. It still surfaces, showing how powerful gossip and innuendo can be. I find it despicable. Take a look at any of the sites where current and previously licensed physicians are listed. You'll never find him. I wouldn't call what was done on Tracy's list character assassination. There was a tremendous amount of damning evidence, including articles from a newspaper in Florida, and mention of the very same cats Dr. Jon talks about now - except then, his name was Stewart. That's the last I'm saying on the topic. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Motor-neuron - Lou Gehrig's Disease
Dear Marshall, You said: You might try Lorenzo's oil, which works for a similar disease. I think it needs to be clarified that Lorenzo's Oil has never worked in treating ALD; however, it did slow the progression of the disease in some asymptomatic people. In June of 2002, a meta-analysis was done by Bandolier on all the published studies on the use of Lorenzo's oil. http://www.jr2.ox.ac.uk/bandolier/booth/neurol/lorenz.html Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTeen brain pain
Dear Nancy, You said: Some of you health-care professionals out there, what does it mean if a teenager has a sudden stab of pain in the forehead accompanied with a brief fuzziness of vision or hearing? I'm thinking I vaguely remember such a sensation myself at some time in the distant past. Any ideas? Is the teen on some pharmaceutical drug, or has s/he been on a pharmaceutical drug for more than 10 days? How about street drug usage ? I won't waste anyone's time by going any further until I see your response. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmole/wart
I tell you that you people are going to see from your own situations, how evil the medical community is. Mark my words. I think few here would dispute this, but it really has little to do with the experience being discussed. Your anger can serve you well, or be wasted on making yourself look foolish. Choose your path. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmgda
I didn't think it was such an insult. Back woods hicks meaning you haven't really been put in the myriad of situations to see the truth. So, you say everything is rosey. You haven't had enough interaction with the system to really have seen it for what it is. This is really outrageous. You have based your assessment of where people live, and their life experiences on a person's lack of confirmation on your assumption that she or he was charged by a physician for a service rendered. Are you beginning to see the insanity of this yet? How long have you known people here? Have you looked at the websites of those who have websites? It's time to stop indulging in your own fairy tale version of who people are, what they've done, how they've done it, or what they know. If you can't see this, we may be talking about les of a fairy tale, and more of a psychosis. Who are you trying so hard to convince of your point? If you'd settle down for a moment, you'd realize that many people here agree with your assessment of conventional medicine. Your posts have been really patronizing. Please stop - and while you're taking a breather, consider that some of us may be more fully anti-conventional medicine than you are, but instead of ranting, we are doing something about it. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmgda
qec...@aol.com sputtered: I think you are part of the corruption. That's why you defend it and try to make me the bad guy. Mark my words if you do not learn the hard way on this. [no text here as the sound of my uproarious laughter is too complicated and tedious to spell] You're mistaking my rejection of your way of communicating for defending conventional medicine. Is it a mistake, or is it a deliberate twisting of the facts? Again, you're making a complete fool of yourself. Frankly, how do we know you're not an FDA plant? You sound ridiculous enough to be one. Hmmm... Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSmy introduction
I know five people who have tried his product. I have not. Regular Old CS seems to work better than what he is selling. That means that it isn't particles but ions. Maybe those ions are not destroyed in the stomach like he says. Maybe the body is grabbing them in the mouth and on the way down and even surviving the stomach. As long as we're swapping anecdotes, I found this particular CS works better and I use less than any other I've purchased and recommend it regularly to others. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNewbie withCFS
MYCOPLASMA The Linking Pathogen in Neurosystemic Diseases Several strains of mycoplasma have been engineered to become more dangerous. They are now being blamed for AIDS, cancer, CFS, MS, CJD and other neurosystemic diseases. This matters who you talk to. The mycoplasm connection is hypothetical. My sense is that mycoplasma is opportunistic and can be found in people with CFS, but is not the cause of CFS. This person successfully treats CFS: www.aginghealthfully.com Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIvan the Terrible...
Dear Stan, You said: Hi: Re cesium--has anyone had personal experience with it. I know one person who tried to take it even after one dose developed tremendous diarrhea!!! had to be stopped. ?comments or solutions? From http://www.cancer-coverup.com/faqs/cesium-faqs-3.htm It should be noted that there is now an improved version of cesium, which does not appear to cause the most common side effects of nausea and diarrhea. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSQuestion for Marsha Hallett
Dear Marsha, You said: 2 cups of distilled water in a glass measuring cup, (I always use glass to make CS in. I have a cup used solely for making my CS.) Can you make more than 2 cups this way? Thanks. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSForgot to add....CS and amalgam..
PS...does anyone know how to reply to a digest item using hotmail, so far all my attempts have been in vain, consecuently I can't put in the original comments .sorry..) 1) Highlight the text you wish to use 2) COPY 3) click REPLY or NEW 4) PASTE When you highlight the text, also highlight the thread title, then you can CUT and PASTE that into the SUBJECT area of the email. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThe Good Grease - was: Unsupported denials claims
We didn't evolvewe are exactly the way God made us...Robb Why must the the two mutually exclusive? Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA silverlist e-book?
Hi Rod, You said: To the list 'gurus' Have you thought about collating some of the articles and knowledge \thats found here and compiling the definative guide for CS use, manufacture theories etc? Maybe you could write a chapter each, for whatever is your field of expertise? It would be much easier than trawling through the archives. LOL, easier for whom, Rod? ;-) Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEU law
nancym...@prodigy.net wrote: Is there anything we can do about this? Yes, there is :-) We now have two opportunities to express opinions about how supplements should be regulated, both in the US and internationally. Since international Codex regulations could be adopted by the U.S., it is crucial that consumers communicate with the government about what the U.S. policy should be. Codex regulations may become the law of the land for the U.S. because they fall under the umbrella of the GATT treaty. The U.S. became a GATT signatory member in 1994 and can opt to adhere to Codex regulations. The World Trade Organization (WTO) adjudicates disputes among members and has overall jurisdiction in such matters. Codex was created in 1962 by two UN organizations, the Food and Agriculture Organization (FAO) and the World Health Organization (WHO). Codex seeks to ensure that the world's food supply is sound, wholesome, free from adulteration, and correctly labeled. Codex regulations are intended both to encourage fair international trade in food and to protect the health and economic interests of consumers. In practice, however, these dual goals of easing commercial transactions for businesses and meeting the needs of consumers are not always harmonious. In politics as in life, the squeaky wheel gets the grease: it is vital for consumers to speak up and be heard. The Codex Committee on Nutrition And Foods for Special Dietary Uses (which includes supplements) is meeting this November in Berlin, Germany. Three U.S. agencies (FDA, USDA, and HSIS) are sponsoring a public meeting -- both to provide information and to gather input for U.S. Codex policy -- on Tuesday, July 30, 2002 from 1-4 pm in Washington DC. To attend the meeting, pre-register by July 15: Send your name, organization, mailing address, phone number and email address to ncr...@cfsan.fda.gov. People who cannot attend but wish to convey their opinions can email their comments to ncr...@cfsan.fda.gov, or send written comments to: FSIS Docket Clerk U.S. Department of Agriculture Food Safety and Inspection Service Room 102 Cotton Annex Washington DC 20250-3700 Please state that your comments refer to Codex and, if your comments relate to specific Codex committees, please identify those committees in your comments and submit a copy of your comments to the delegate from that particular committee. All comments submitted will be available for public inspection in the Docket Clerk's Office between 8:30 am and 4:30 pm, Monday through Friday. The Federal Register notice concerning the November Codex meeting is available at www.access.gpo.gov/su_docs/fedreg/a020530c.html. Scroll down to Food Safety and Inspection Service. Among the items listed there are text and PDF versions of Meetings: Codex Alimentarius Commission -- Nutrition and Foods for Special Dietary Uses Codex Committee, 37772-37773 [02-13526]. Information is also available on the US Food Safety and Inspection Service website: www.fsis.usda.gov/OA/Codex/ The U.S. Food Drug Administration (FDA) is seeking comments about its approach to health claims for foods, drugs, and dietary supplements. The informnation about this can be found here: http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dockets/dockets.htm Docket # 00N-0598 To help you, the FDA offers the guide: Making Your Voice Heard at FDA: How to Comment on Proposed Regulations and Submit Petitions http://www.fda.gov/opacom/backgrounders/voice.html Please speak up about these issues if they are important to you. Every voice counts. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSFU site
Catherine, I can appreciate your mistrust of all things Quackwatchy, but I think suggesting that people might not want to listen to an informed POV, even one that you or I might not agree with... is a mistake. Before I reach the conclusions I reach, I consider everything. I don't need Quackwatch to 'help' me. Quackwatch is not an informed or opposing POV. It is paid opinions and witch hunts. Perhaps you will need to be a subject of the latter in order to understand that this group has nothing to do with POVs, and everything to do with big pharma and big business trying to control healthcare. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSFU water URL
I think people may not want to put too much stock into this website. On this page you can find links to Quackwatch, Junkscience, etc. http://www.sfu.ca/chemcai/flimflam.html Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUnsupported denials claims
Dear Dean, you said: Actually, except for the biscuit, the rest are beneficial for heart and circulation. I know this statement is contrary to everything the medical and food industries have been saying for 30 years, but it's true nonetheless. The menu was gravy/biscuit and sausage and bacon with greasy scrambled eggs. I have to disagree with you here. Gravies are usually flour-based, and gravies made for public meals often incorporate margarine or some other form of free radical fat. Bacon and sausage are full of nitrites and nitrates, with the sausage more than likely containing cereal fillers. If we are looking at the diet closest to what nature provided (including animal flesh), this one loses. Also,grain- fed chickens produce eggs that have about a 20:1 ratio of n-6's to n-3's. Of course, those who eschewed this meal more than likely did so for reasons other than those I cited. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSdangers of belly button piercing
Dear Karen, You said: I have already done a search on this topic and know the regular medical dangers about infection, but I'm trying to convince my teenage daughter that this would not be a wise decision. So if anyone has any additional persuasive arguments about the dangers of belly button piercing, it would be great if you could share them with me. How about, Because I said you can't! Are you really worried about serious infection or do you just not like the idea? A number of people have done it and as long as it's kept clean have no problems with it. With CS, there should be few worries. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Melaleuca (tea tree) Oil
Minus 70 C..? Yes, minus 70C. That is from a garlic research center inEngland. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Melaleuca (tea tree) Oil
Hi Roman, You said: I've attended a lecture with Charlie the Fox, the aged garlic man, in which he said that people are mislead about an active bacteria controlling substance in garlic. Allicin is VERY unstable and disappears too quickly to explain anti microbe action of garlic. You're right. In order to benefit from garlic it must be specially stored at at -70 centigrade. It will decompose within a few hours if stored above that temperature. There is some experimental evidence that allicin can be produced as a stable liquid dissolved in water stored at 4 degrees centigrade for up to six months. The compound is produced by a natural substrate/enzyme reaction. This research is preliminary and ongoing, and currently available only for research purposes. I would also be concerned about vaginally inserting garlic because it is quite irritating to skin. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSPreventive Medicine, Properly Practiced - NYT 7/16/02
Dear List Members and Friends, The New York Times has the following excellent article on how marketing and media exposure define medical treatment before it has been scientifically determined to be safe and effective. It cannot be emphasized enough that a good percentage of the medicine practiced today is supported only by the cleverly crafted marketing campaigns of the pharmaceutical industry. Read this article carefully and fully. Your health and life depend on it. Regards, Catherine July 16, 2002 Preventive Medicine, Properly Practiced By SUSAN M. LOVE http://www.nytimes.com/2002/07/16/opinion/16LOVE.html?tntemail1=pagewanted= printposition=top (Entire article below) LOS ANGELES - There are at least 6 million women in this country who are asking themselves, What happened? Over the last several years they have read books and magazine articles, listened to TV pundits and talked to doctors and friends - all of whom assured them that taking hormone replacement therapy for the rest of their lives would keep them healthy. Then one bright summer day, their world shifted. Their little daily pill carried not the promise of health but the risk of disease. How could this be? What happened is that medical practice, as it so often does, got ahead of medical science. We made observations and developed hypotheses - and then forgot to prove them. We start with observational studies, in which researchers look at groups of people to see if we can find any clues about disease. But all this observation can do is find associations: it can't prove cause and effect. With hormone replacement therapy, we did many observational studies. We found that women who were on hormone therapy had a lower incidence of heart disease, stroke, colon cancer and bone fracture. And we accepted these findings before we did the definitive research, overlooking the fact that these women were also more likely to see a doctor (which is how they were put on hormone therapy in the first place), and probably more likely to exercise and to eat a healthful diet, than women who were not taking the drug. It wasn't clear whether hormones made women healthy or whether healthy women took hormones. To answer this question we needed randomized, controlled research. The latest study, sponsored by the National Institutes of Health, enrolled 16,608 healthy women from ages 50 to 79 and randomly assigned them to take hormone replacement therapy or a placebo. Much to everyone's surprise, after 5.2 years the study showed that the risks of hormone treatment outweighed the benefits in preventing disease. Many are already arguing that the study was poorly designed or that its results are limited to one type of hormone therapy, or even that bioidentical hormones will be safe. In fact what the study really questions is the idea that we need to replace hormones in post-menopausal women for the long term. Menopause is normal. We need high levels of hormones to reproduce, but we shift down to a lower level for the second half of life. The symptoms of menopause are really not the symptoms of low estrogen but the symptoms of hormonal change - puberty in reverse. And, as with puberty, the symptoms are transient, usually lasting between three and four years. In one study following women through menopause, 50 percent of the participants complained about hot flashes but only 16 percent felt they were really bothersome. For these women, it is perfectly reasonable to take hormone therapy for up to four years. At that point, a woman can either stop cold turkey (50 percent of women will do fine with this approach) or taper off over several months. There is a bigger issue than simply hormone therapy, however. There is a tendency, driven by wishful thinking combined with good marketing and media hype, to jump ahead of the medical evidence. In the 1950's, it was DES, a drug given to pregnant women to prevent miscarriages. It was many years later that a randomized, controlled study showed that it had no effect in preventing miscarriages. Finally, in 1971 it was learned that daughters of women who took DES were at increased risk of developing vaginal cancer. In the 1990's, the bone marrow transplant - high-dose chemotherapy with stem-cell rescue - was proposed to treat aggressive breast cancers. It was widely used until four randomized, controlled studies showed it was no better than standard therapy, and had far more side effects. Arthroscopic surgery for osteoarthritis was commonly performed but just last week a controlled study showed it had no objective benefit. Hormone replacement therapy is just one more example of this phenomenon. These examples show the importance of taking the time to determine the safety and efficacy of a particular therapy before we embrace it. This is particularly true in preventive medicine, since such therapy can create one disease in trying to prevent another that might not occur at all. The foundation of prevention still should be
Re: CSImmunizations
We are changing school districts, and I recently found out that my kids will have to undergo more immumizations. I have done some reading about the make-up of immunizations. Would colloidal silver help counter the viruses contained in the immunizations? I think you want to look more to offset the assitives in the vaccines. Homeopathy does this quite nicely. Check out: http://www.whale.to/vaccines.html http://www.whale.to/vaccine/homeopathy.html Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCYP450 enzymes
Dear Kevin, You said: The field is clearly still in it's infancy; motto seems to be: avoid prescription drugs if at all possible. One good way of assisting that is taking CS on a regular basis. I say that on the premise that regular prophylactic use does not result in a 'lazy' immune system - a more or less consensus conclusion reached after previous discussions here on that topic. You're right - you've distilled it down to the bottom line. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCYP450 enzymes
Dear Kevin, You said: As a child I was sensitive to what I recall being labelled 'type 1' penicillin, but into adulthood that disappeared. Recently spoke with a friend who said that within five minutes of taking penicillin, he would need medical attention urgently. He also has a genetic defect (can't recall what) that results in a very inefficient metabolism - five or more huge meals a day just to get through, and yet stays slim. Is there any reliable test you know of to determine one's CYP450 enzyme levels, and is there perhaps some means of boosting it if deficient? Currently, testing exists for three or four CYP450 enzymes. The enzymes that can be boosted are digestive enzymes. P450 enzymes can be given a temporary boost by inducing them, that is, using a substance known to be inductive of a particular P450 enzyme (there are about 100 known P450 enzymes with over 1000 genetic variations...it is suspected that there are over 1000 P450 types of enzymes), but others exist (or not) at the levels they do because of genetic differences. However, when you induce an enzyme, you are triggering a sort of crisis response in the body that results in a significant amount of oxidative damage. So, it's not a good idea to be inducing enzymes. Enzymes are also damaged or destroyed by pharmaceutical drugs, and most apt to be destroyed by those drugs taken on a regular basis. The so-called psychiatric drugs, including antidepressants, are famous for this. The destruction or damage of an enzyme gets recorded in your genes. Your children can then inherit this. Most adverse reactions to drugs (not side effects) are as a result of lacking the appropriate P450 enzyme(s) to metabolize a drug. The first P450 enzyme to be recognized was 30 years ago. It is called 2D6. Since then, little was done inthis arena until 1995. It is still the domain of researchers; many physicians have heard of them, but really don't understand anything about them. The bottom line is that our current knowledge of the P450 system let's us know that prescribing any drug metabolized by this system is like throwing darts in the dark. It is sheer luck if a drug is chosen that a person can metabolize. This is one of the reasons medicine is not looking at this more closely. The FDA has just begun encouraging (their word) pharmaceutical manufacturers to provide available P450 info when submitting new drugs for approval, but they are not making it mandatory. It has been estimated by several researchers that 20-50% of all iatragenic illnesses/deaths from drugs would be eliminated by testing for the P450 enzymes we are currently able to test for. This percentage would rise as we acquired the ability to test for other relevant P450 enzymes. LOL, I'll bet this was more than you wanted to know! Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFw: crash landing
Ken wrote: In S. Dakota where blondes predominate the population, blonde jokes are all the rage and I [a blonde] enjoy them too. Since when is humor true and accurate? Taking offense to what is obviously not true indicates a high level of insecurity. Expecting the entire world to cater to that insecurity is a certain recipe for frustration. OK, Have fun with that. You certainly will succeed. [in finding frustration] That's your choice, Ken. Some of choose to forgo joke lists in favor of other mailing lists. Where it is not unusual to find some humor around, humor that has the ability to offend so deeply does not belong in this forum. I ignored the original post because the posting of it appeared to be accidental. I cannot ignore your casual dismissal, Ken, of the feelings of a person who was offended by the original posting. Now I'm offended as well. There's nowhere in my manual for adulthood that says I have to accept the thinly disguised hatemongering presented by this 'joke' and endorsed by you. Maybe you want to go out and tell that joke to the neighborhood kids - after all, it's only a joke, right? It's really time in our evolution to stop accepting jokes that are not jokes that only perpetuate hatred, sexism, and crudeness. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Humor and offense...
Mariano posted a joke which could be funny if you overlooked the sexism, racism, and off-color elements. The response he got demonstrates that it was obviously *not* suitable and it was a mistake to post it here. If you overlooked those things nothing would be left to the joke. It was in very poor taste and very crude and offensive. Perhaps it's a man thing. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Humor and offense...
Could this statement be a revelation into her psyche? Well, let's see, several men have spoken up to support the joke, 2 women have spoken, neither support the joke. None of the men who support the joke can see that the women may be really uncomfortable with a joke like this. That, to me, is a man thing. Read into it what you wish. A revelation?? Hardly. I was being polite, but inaccurate when I suggested it was a man thing. It is actually a crude, rude, poorly socialized thing. Is that better? Can you see even deeper into my psyche? What else can I clarify for you? Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Humor and offense...
That is sufficient clarification to set my opinion of you. ...which is truly irelevant in my life, Jack. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS[List Owner] Humor and offense...
Hi John, You said: Are you reading the posts. I did and do not support the so-called. joke Yes, I saw that, and I appreciate it. I was referring to the guys who were] suporting it despite others being offended. THanks. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT Ridiculous Statement
Dear Larry, You said: Assertive,declarative statements of ones opinion 'I' find rude and not conduce to meaningful discourse. I didn't intend to become involved in a discourse about the statement I labeled ridiculous. It would be RIDICULOUS of ME to spend precious time on a discourse about a statement like: The scientific method is like grabbing nature by the throat and demanding an answer. When science and intuition work together as the natural partners they are, each is more powerful than either could be alone. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: 650
Dear Jack, You said: As an antibiotic, colloidal silver kills over 650 disease causing organisms, and resistant strains fail to develop. What is ambiguous (uncertain) is the accuracy of the statement until the studies are found where CS was effective in rendering a total of 650 disease-causing organisms inert. There's no credibility in using figures with no citation of actual proof to go along with them. That's setting a trap for yourself. I write a monthly newsletter on non-conventional healing for conventional doctors. I have met with some success because I don't say anything that has not been demonstrated under stringent conditions. If I were to write that CS kills 650 pathogens without giving original citations, my subscribers would unsubscribe. One of the beauties of this list is that people have no problem getting right down to the science of things, unlike most other lists. Just ask Kevin Nolan ;-) Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS650 list
Now we've got a real problem, lol. We have the phrases 650 diseases and 650 disease-causing organisms. Which will it be? Regards, Catherine Thanks Sylvia, that's 85, - only 565 to go. Jack From: Sylvia Daniels sdanie...@kc.rr.com Subject: CS650 list The following is a partial list of the more than 650 diseases that Colloidal Silver has been successfully used against Acne, Arthritis, Athlete's Foot, Toxemia, Blood Poisoning, Burns, Cancer, Cerebro-Spinal Meningitis, Candida, Cholera, Colitis, Conjunctivitis, Dermatitis, Diabetes, Diptheria, Dysentry, Enlarged Prostate, Excema, Fatigue, Fibrositis, Gastritis, Gonorrhea, Herpes, Hepatitis, Infantile Diseases, Impetigo, Keratitis, Leprosy, lesions, leukemia, lupus, lyme disease,Pymphagitis, Malaria, Meningitis, Neurasthenia, Pluerisy, Pheomonia, Prostate, Psoriasis, Pruritis Ani, Ophthalmia, Rheumatism, Ringworm, Rhiritis Rosacea, Scarlet Fever, Seborrhea, Septicemia, Shingles, Skin Cancer, Cystitis, Staph Infection, Strep Infections, Stomach Fu, Stomach Ulcers, Herpes Virus, Ulcers, Strep, Thryroid Conditions, Tonsillitis, Toxemia, Trenchfoot, Tuberculosis, Virus Warts, Whooping Cough, Yeast Infections. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Interesting article
I seem to remember something posted on the list that stated that CS had been found to be affective against anthrax. Does anyone have a link to any such authoritative findings? They aren't authoritative. It was found back in the 1890's to be effective against anthrax that is missing the the antiphagocytic capsule. That anthrax is only 1-2% fatal without treatment. The toxic form of anthrax, with the antiphagocytic capsule, stays in the body and begins the process of releasing the edema toxins and lethal toxins. At this point, toxins that bind to the cells share a protective antigen. This antigen defends the bacteria from the immune system and antibiotics. With this protection, the toxins build very quickly, overwhelming the body, and are fully capable of causing death within twenty-four hours of the onset of symptoms. Nothing can penetrate the antiphagocytic capsule, so treatment is useless until the toxins are released into the tissues. At that point, you probably could not get enough CS in quickly enough to save your life. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCurious Quote from that recently recommended site===Marshalee
The smartest person I ever knew, I.Q. off scale as tests failed at 400, told me, The scientific method is like grabbing nature by the throat and demanding an answer. Smart does not autoimatically confer common sense. That is a ridiculous statement. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUpdate on reported Argyria Case...
Marshalee wrote: Hmm, good thing I`m a Mormon, and don`t drink coffee, right?? :o) Ahhh! No wonder Salt Lake City has the highest percentage in the nation of people who take antidepressant drugs! ;-) On a serious and sad note, SLC will some day be known as the place in the nation with the highest percentage of people who have drug-induced brain damage. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUpdate on reported Argyria Case...
Dear Maxine, You said: I'm also a Morman and haven't met any drug induced brain damaged people unless they were NOT Morman. Mormans mostly live healthy and good lives and try to live as God intended all to live. The drug-induced brain damage comes from the antidepressant drugs. You seem offended by my statement, which spoke of the nature of the drugs, not the consumer. Don't shoot the messenger. Where did that phrase come from anyway., Boy I never seen that one before.. To which statement are you referring? Antidepressant drugs cause long structural changes in the brain, including forcing the brain to kill off receptors. The serotonin that SSRIs increase is well-known for causing brain damage, as well as damage to other parts of the body. Documentation of this can be found by a search on the effects of serotonin. Further, they damage a number of P-450 isozymes which are necessary to properly metabolize many foods, drugs, supplements, herbs, etc. Metabolites of any of these things left in the body will cause damage. As some here are CS scientists and researchers, I am a psychotropic drug researcher, and recovery treatment professional. Regards, Catherine Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: 650
Dear Reid, You said: I'd imagine that the number 650 does not come from any kind of exhaustive research on CS and each and every ailment, rather referring to how many ailments are caused by primitive microbes, of the variety so responsive to treatment by CS. That's my understanding, as well. Regards, Cathrtine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPatent Search
Dear Steve, You said: I believe at least one person on this list have given websites where one can download a patent. I want to obtain a health-related patent to study. Please send me off-list directions on how to do this. I prefer not to pay a fee. Alternately, if one of you has access to the U. S. patent database, I would appreciate it if you would retrieve U. S. 6,346,264B1 and send it to me. You can find what you need here: http://www.uspto.gov/ Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT THE NOCEBO EFFECT
Larry sent: Placebo's Evil Twin -- The Nocebo Effect E-mail to a friend By Brian Reid Ten years ago, researchers stumbled onto a striking finding: Women who believed that they were prone to heart disease were nearly four times as likely to die as women with similar risk factors who didn't hold such fatalistic views. The higher risk of death, in other words, had nothing to with the usual heart disease culprits -- age, blood pressure, cholesterol, weight. Instead, it tracked closely with belief. Think Sick, Be Sick That study is a classic in the annals of research on the nocebo phenomenon, the evil twin of the placebo effect. While the placebo effect refers to health benefits produced by a treatment that should have no effect, patients experiencing the nocebo effect experience the opposite. They presume the worst, health-wise, and that's just what they get. They're convinced that something is going to go wrong, and it's a self-fulfilling prophecy, said Harvard psychiatrist Arthur Barsky, who published an article earlier this year in the JAMA beseeching his peers to pay closer attention to the nocebo effect. From a clinical point of view, this is by no means peripheral or irrelevant. The nocebo hypothesis leaves no room for people to know far ahead of time that something is disordered in the organism. This is not surprising as most scientists and physicians rely solely on solid physical evidence and do not allow for the possibility of a different kind of intelligence or 'knowing'. Not to discredit the power of thought, I believe it is a small percentage of people who will think themselves into being ill. The rest are in tune with their bodies. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew Subscriber
Hi Ken, You said: We don't count Rosemary. Who knows what she did? She doesn't know herself. Her site has several educational links that, if read carefully with contexts in mind, actually disprove her assertions. I think it's important to be accurate here. Rosemary's case is highly documented (several medical journals and Pub Med) with the exact cause of her argyria being nose drops containing silver - NOT a colloidal preparation. That being said, I'm not so certain that everyone who is making their own is getting true, safe colloidal silver. I think the truth is somewhere between the cavalier attitude about CS exhibited by some, and the overzealous attitude of the FDA, CDC, etc. It is sensible to be concerned about commercial CS as there are no mandatory standards to which a manufacturer needs adhere. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT THE NOCEBO EFFECT
hy?po?chon?dri?a (hh1pú-kÄn2drT-ú) n. 1. The persistent neurotic conviction that one is or is likely to become ill, often involving experiences of real pain when illness is neither present nor likely. Definitely defined by conventional medicine, who, lacking the tools to make certain diagnoses, and possessing the egos too large to admit it, had to turn it back on the patient so as not to appear as if they don't know everything. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT THE NOCEBO EFFECT
Perhaps, Catherine, if you will post the qualifications for your omniscience, we will then feel free to await your future pronouncements and not need bother with our foolish concepts. With pleasure: http://www.medicinegarden.com/Faculty/CC.html Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThe Law
Hi Gary, You said: I, for one, find it embarrassing that supposedly intelligent human beings continue to suspend logic and choose to delude themselves with a big daddy in the sky watching over them. Keep it in the closet where it belongs. I'd actually like to see us be tolerant of the things that are meaningful to others, even if meaningless to us. After all, most of want to be able to come out of the closet with CS and other non-conventional treatments, and take issue with those who try to limit or eliminate our mention of them. Though I don't see this list as the appropropriate place for ongoing discussions about things other than CS, a little tolerance, understanding, and forgiveness for being human would be really nice. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: CScs color/ pierced-ear infections
I've been watching this discussion on infected ears from piercings. There's always been a simple solution used in my family - take the earrings out for several days, and use a cotton ball soaked inn hydrogen peroxide to bathe the area 3x a day. It's never failed to work, in my experience. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPotassium iodide
Does anyone know where a person could purchase the potassium iodide pills From a Google search for potassium iodide pills: http://www.ki4u.com/ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsiver list
Hi Mary Lou, You said: i use cs regularly, but i was wondering if anyone knows of a site where one can obtain truthful information about the side effects of drugs? Part of the story can be found at www.rxlist.com These are 'side effects' as noted during clinical trials. There is no site that collects post-market data on drug side effects. Are you interested in any drug in particular? If so, you can search the medical journals through PubMED. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsilver list
PDR.net but you need to pay for a subscription or go to your local bookstore and buy a PDR it's not cheap but has lots of info www.rxlist.com is the PDR entries verbatim for free. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSdmso
Canada allows up to 70% pure DMSO. The DMSO at dmso.com is 99% pure. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT:Notice of Pc Problems.
How do you reinstall favorites from the floppy back into your computer? Save it back to the file from which you took it. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAlternative treatments
Hi George, You said: The solution suggested was to raise the back of the keyboard up higher than the front so that your hands are bent down toward the desk top, which is not stressful. I put a piece of wood under my keyboard to raise the back about an inch and a half. That's interesting, because ergonomics experts will tell one to not elevate the back of the keyboard as it causes one to bend the wrists back, and invites CTS. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSome info please?
Dear Jenn, You said: I thought I remember some liver toxicity issues with extended or excessive use of L-Tryptophan, am I remembering correctly. This was back in the late 80's. You recall correctly; however, that was from an adulterated batch. No other problems of this type have been apparent. I would caution people who are using, or have used SSRI or SNRI (antidepressants) drugs to use tryptophan with caution. For those currently using SSRIs, tryptophan increases the amount of intracellular serotonin which could result in a toxic or paradoxical reaction. For those who have previously taken SSRIs, taking tryptophan can overload the serotonin transporter system, which in some cases has been structurally altered, resulting in a paradoxical reaction (aggressiveness, altered sense of reality, etc.) As an aside, SSRIs and SSRIs are dangerous, creating long term changes in the brain and altering a person's judgement. If anyone wants more info, I'd be glad to point you in the right direction. You can write to me off-list at ccr...@maine.rr.com. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSome info please?
Hi JJ, http://www.bartleby.com/107/ Gray's Anatomy online Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFW: [CSCats-Dogs] VETMED moderator
Hi Jenn, You said: What an ego trip that is. I'm sorry for your troubles. Some people have WAY too much time on their hands :0) I think the reason for full moderation of a list like that is because of the overzealous pro-vax crowd that will pop in and wreak havoc on a list. I have a list with a similarly controversial topic. It is also fully moderated. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTo Janis
John Reeder wrote: Grey also comes with age. Hmmm...I'm trying to recall how many grey people I see who are less than 80 years old...okay, I know the answer. It's zero. Allopathic doctors have a way of discounting what a person is saying if it does not fall within their realm of experience, or the bulk of the literature. It's really offense. Please don't do that, John. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTo Janis
Marshall wrote: I believe he is talking about hair. LOL, Marshall. Somehow I missed that. Thanks. Is that what you were talking about, John? Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSArgyria and Beneficial Bugs
Hi Janis, You said: Don't worry guys shortly I will be off this list because it is starting to depress me badly all the hokey ideas like CS does not differentiate between them, but does differentiate between the different medias, so the intestinal bacteria are safe. Your concern has some validity that deserves exploration. You said: CS does not differentiate between good or bad or medias. Try putting CS in an aquarium which is biologically balanced with good and bad bugs. It kills them all. This will eventually get the fish because the biological balance has been killed. The question that naturally comes to mind here is why might one expect that the internal environment of the human body would not be negatively affected by daily consumption of CS? I wish you wouldn't go. You bring important issues to this forum. Thanks. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSThe ultimate CS brewer
If you have anyone dependant on you for support, this might be a good time to increase the amount of your life insurance. Okay, I'll bite, Arnold. Would you care to elaborate? Thanks. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVirgin Coconut oil vs. Copra
When you and Ivan have come to a decision, let us know. :) I thought I was doing well putting CN cream in my cereal. it is one of the few milks I can tolerate. Bummer if it's no good. ROFL, Tracy! C -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPriorities (coconut oil)
Hi Tracy, The brand is Trident, and it is not sweetened, or homogenised. Just coconut and water and a preservative of course. Good! But the preservative...oy vey. Also, you may want to ask the company how it's processed. My understanding is most companies use copra. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPriorities (coconut oil)
That sounds ominous. Copra. Has a nasty ring...:) What is it? Find out here: www.coconut-info.com Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPriorities (coconut oil)
Nothing wrong with copra Tracy, Its dried coconut meat. Passing water through desiccated coconut and pressing it out is the only way I know of to obtain coconut milk. Coconut milk is the next best thing to coconut oil, as it contains up to 20% (by memory) oil, assuming its a good brand. If it goes hard in the fridge it probably contains appreciable amounts of oil. Read here: www.coconut-info.com Copra has lost the benefits of the coconut. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSnutritional anemia
pica: craving of things not normally eaten. This means things like wood..and your dog's fur...and the couch stuffing, not food you don't normally eat. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSVirgin Coconut oil vs. Copra
What is Virgin Coconut Oil? Virgin Coconut Oil can only be achieved by using fresh coconut meat or what is called non-copra (see below for a definition of copra). Chemicals and high heating are not used in further refining. There are currently two main processes of manufacturing Virgin Coconut Oil: 1. Quick drying of fresh coconut meat which is then used to press out the oil. Using this method, minimal heat is used to quick dry the coconut meat, and the oil is then pressed out via mechanical means. 2. Wet-milling. With this method the oil is extracted from fresh coconut meat without drying first. Coconut milk is expressed first by pressing. The oil is then further separated from the water. Methods which can be used to separate the oil from the water include boiling, fermentation, refrigeration, enzymes and mechanical centrifuge. The method which is used by Mt. Banahaw Health Products Corporation in the Philippines is fermentation. The coconut milk expressed from the freshly harvested coconuts is fermented for approximately 48 hours. During this time, the water separates from the oil. The oil is then slightly heated for a short time to remove moisture, and filtered. The result is a clear coconut oil that retains the distinct scent and taste of coconuts. This is a traditional method of coconut oil extraction that has been used in the Philippines for hundreds of years. Laboratory tests show that this is a very high quality coconut oil, with the lauric acid content often being over 53%. This oil is not mass produced, but made by hand just as it has been done for hundreds of years. Since we live in the community where the coconuts grow, we personally guarantee that the best organic coconuts available are used in producing this Virgin Coconut Oil, and that no chemicals whatsoever are used in the growing or processing of the coconuts. How is Virgin Coconut Oil different from other coconut oils? Most commercial grade coconut oils are made from copra. Copra is basically the dried kernel (meat) of the coconut. It can be made by: smoke drying, sun drying, or kiln drying , or derivatives or a combination of these three. If standard copra is used as a starting material, the unrefined coconut oil extracted from copra is not suitable for consumption and must be purified, that is refined. The standard end product made from copra is RBD coconut oil. RBD stands for refined, bleached, and deodorized. Both high heat and chemicals (e.g. solvent extractions) are used in this method. RBD oil is also often hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated. Hydrogenated oils have been shown to increase serum cholesterol levels which contribute to heart disease. http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/what_is_virgin_coconut_oil.htm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPriorities (coconut oil)
Website: http://www.coconut-info.com/ mailing list: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/coconut-info/?yguid=60070201 -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPriorities (coconut oil)
I use coconut cream everyday in my cereal. Is this the same as coconut oil, in that it helps balance cholesterol, etc? More than likely it's sweetened and probably commercially processed from copra (www.coconut-info.com) It loses its benefits this way. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver Compounds and electrobiological/electromagnetic response
I've read that escharotic black salve is supposed to be pretty effective at dealing with skin cancer. I think what has to be considered and treated is the internal condition that allowed the skin cancer to manifest. Black Salve is not going to do this. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOintment for CS
I think if we make out it is a cure-all, we are in danger of doing CS a disservice, as people will become disillusioned with it. I hereby nominate this statement for the Wisdom of the Month Award. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
