Re: CS>Garlic for H.Pylori and much more.

[Frank Cuns-Rial]

LIST, Mastic Gum is very effective for H pylori.
Cheers Frank ND

On 11/16/2016 8:26 AM, Ron wrote:


[Just a snip.]
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/how-garlic-can-save-your-life
Garlic Versus #1 Cause of Death for the Poorest Countries
As far as the research goes, garlic has immensely powerful
anti-infective properties, experimentally confirmed to kill the following:

Methicillin Resistant Staphylococcus Aureus (MRSA)[1], [2]
Thrush (Fungal overgrowth in oral cavity)[3]
Pseudomonas Aerigonosima, including drug-resistant strains.[4][5][6]
Cytomegalavirus Infections[7] [8] [9] [10]
Mycotoxin-associated aflatoxicosis[11] [12]
*Helicobacter Pylori infection[13]*
Candida (Yeast) infection[14] [15] [16]
Klebseilla infection[17] [18]
HIV-1 infection[19] [20]
Vibrio infection [21] [22]
Mycobacterium Tuberculosis, multi-drug resistant[23]
Clostridium infections[24]
Viral Infections:  Herpes Simplex 1 and 2, Parainfluenza virus type 3,
vaccinia virus, vesicular stomatitis virus and human rhinovirus type 2.
Group B Streptococcus Infection[25] [26]



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Re: CS>Fwd: An article on Boron

[Frank Cuns-Rial]

LIST Both Borax and Boric acid contain Boron. Whether one is better that 
the other for the intended purpose is another matter.

Frank ND

On 11/1/2016 10:29 AM, Patricia Cassidy wrote:

Boric Acid is different than boron.  Do you mean Borax - that is boron.

 http://growyouthful.com/remedy/borax.php


On 11/1/2016 6:33 AM, Gmail wrote:

Get boric acid at the dollar store. Put a teaspoon in a gallon of water.
Add an ounce of the solution to your drinking water daily.
Also makes pepper plants thrive.

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On Nov 1, 2016, at 12:37 AM, Victor Cozzetto
> wrote:


Good point. Most people have no idea about boron. I wrote an article
a while ago, and supplement with it periodically. In fact, you
reminded me that I should probably start again. It's all explained here:

http://www.otezok.com/2015/08/14/boron-arthritis-more/

In fact, I have one stubborn cavity that has resisted healing for
more than six months now... boron might be the answer (along with
many other things). I'll let you know.

Victor


On 1 Nov 2016, at 12:59, Dan Nave > wrote:



News in Nutrition


Boron, Mineral Surprise
by Dr John Whitcomb

Boron, Mineral Surprise

References: Science Direct, Wikipedia,

Ever heard of boron? Not a very common mineral in mammals. In fact,
it's considered an "ultra trace"
mineral. Produced by spallation and supernovae, it is not an
abundant mineral, but is present in
many soils in a trace level. There is no obvious known animal use
for it as making rats deficient
has been a challenge requiring ultra pure diets. Rats then get lousy
skin and fur. It's very light
in weight and makes extremely hard crystals, allowing it to be used
as an industrial abrasive and in
high tech magnets and super strong fibers.

Imagine my surprise when I find that it has a surprising role in
humans. It is one of the most
effective known tools to reduce sex hormone binding globulin. It
also may play a surprising role in
osteoporosis and arthritis. In parts of the world where intake of
boron is less than a mg a day, the
incidence of arthritis is 50-70%. In those parts of the world where
boron intake is 3-10 mg a day,
arthritis is around 0-10%. That's just epidemiology, and we don't
have good human studies with
arthritis.

We do have a study showing boron's effect on SHBG. SHBG is Sex
Hormone Binding Globulin. It is the
protein tasked with transporting estrogen and testosterone around
the body. Hormones are based on
cholesterol, a fat, and fat doesn't dissolve in water. SHBG allows
them to be transported in water.
It binds about 99% of the hormones, leading only 1% in the
bioavailable or free form. The way birth
control pills work is to dramatically increase SHBG, thereby binding
virtually all free estrogen and
testosterone. The problem arises when you stop the pill, SHBG may
not go back to normal.

In fact, SHBG's continuing to be high may be a problem with men too.
Continued high SHBG leads to
very tiny levels of free testosterone. Lowering SHBG may be part of
how we raise the level of the
hormones we depend on for good health, testosterone and estrogen.

In this study, 10 mg of boron was given to eight healthy men for a
week. In that short time period,
their blood boron increased and their free testosterone increased
dramatically by 29%, mostly due to
a drop in SHBG. Interestingly enough, CRP, the main mediator of
inflammation, dropped dramatically
as well. This is a terribly short study, with a tiny number of
participants, but it opens a door to
think about the benefit of boron. Then, I look at the ingredients in
my most effective bone builder,
Pro Bono, and I see 2.5 mg of boron daily. The literature on boron
and calcium and bone metabolism
is thin, but it suggests we do better when we have more.

www. What will work for me. I had no idea that boron played such a
big role in general health. I'm
sort of fascinated that this arcane, micro mineral might be so
useful. I'm determined to follow this
further. Between lowering CRP, lowering SHBG, raising testosterone,
lowering calcium excretion, we
might have a whole host of reasons to consider this spallated
mineral to be a little superstar. And
it's fun to learn the term spallation. I'm adding boron to my list
of minerals to use for arthritis,
inflammation and SHBG management.

Pop Quiz

1. Boron is a critical element for human health. T or F

Trick question. We don't really know. It's a micro trace element
with no known mechanism of action
but with many small studies showing beneficial effects.

2. Sex Hormone Binding Globulin rises dramatically with boron. T or F

False. It drops. That is good. Make for higher free testosterone.

3. Birth Control Pills may lead to a permanent elevation of SHBG. T or F

True. That leads to less muscle, less immune 

Re: CS>silver in contact with metal

[Frank Cuns-Rial]

I was not aware of ultrasonic-powered humidifiers.
Cheers


On 8/7/2016 8:41 PM, bobLists wrote:

steam doesn't but ultrasonic does. or can.

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Hi Nenah Humidifiers evaporate water and I doubt whether the water vapor
carries the silver.
Cheers




n 8/5/2016 4:12 PM, Nenah Sylver wrote:

List,

I wanted to put colloidal silver into my humidifier, which I run at
night. However, the ultrasonic mechanism of the humidifier is a metal
disc. (I don't know what type of metal it is.) I was wondering if the
metal might cause the silver to plate out into particulates, or affect
it adversely in some other way. Does anyone know?



Thanks in advance.

Nenah



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Re: CS>silver in contact with metal

[Frank Cuns-Rial]

Hi Nenah Humidifiers evaporate water and I doubt whether the water vapor 
carries the silver.

Cheers




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List,

I wanted to put colloidal silver into my humidifier, which I run at
night. However, the ultrasonic mechanism of the humidifier is a metal
disc. (I don’t know what type of metal it is.) I was wondering if the
metal might cause the silver to plate out into particulates, or affect
it adversely in some other way. Does anyone know?



Thanks in advance.

Nenah



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Re: CS>Bronchitis probably

[Frank Cuns-Rial]

Hello list Many prescription drugs cause coughing.
Cheers
Frank ND

On 3/26/2016 10:23 PM, Gmail wrote:

Nothing seems to work. Frequent dry cough. No temperature.
Olive leaf extract, aged garlic extract, vapor rub on neck and chest,
vitamin c, lobelia, tea tree oil in steam bath, colloidal silver in
nebulizer, cs in neti pot,- all are being used- not all at once but
different times of the day for a week. Any suggestions?
I am in considerable distress. Oximeter reads 93.
Could possibly be related to concurrent hay fever symptoms?
Could be environmental? Chemtrails? Tilling the organic garden a week ago?
Would a hyperbaric chamber help?
HELP!

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power over the economy, what would you do?” His one-word answer defines
the Austrian School: “Resign.”


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Re: CS>Bicarb - OT

[Frank Cuns-Rial]

Hi friends The reaction occurs regardless of the temperature but the 
colder the reactants the slower it proceeds.
The gas is generated on both instances but gases are more soluble the 
colder the temperature.

Cheers
Frank ND

On 11/12/2015 9:29 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:

I don't know.  This is the acid that is formed from fermenting foods.
Sometimes they get a little too acidic and I add a bit of bicarb.  I
noticed if they are cold, no reaction.  If they are warm then a reaction.
Thanks.
PT


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*Subject:* Re: CS>Bicarb - OT

Not sure if this is the reason, but most acid is diluted with water and
cold water will absorb the CO2 from the reaction and just become carbonated.



On 11/12/2015 04:40 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:

Hi,
Can anyone explain why bicarb fizzes when put into a room temperature
acid but not when put into a cold one?  Thanks.
PT



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Re: CS>Boring but never mind. Hyperbaric

[Frank Cuns-Rial]

Hi John Read about DM cough syrup. What is DM? and any supporting eveidence?
Thanks
FrankND

On 10/8/2015 12:04 AM, John Popelish wrote:

On 10/07/2015 09:37 PM, Gmail wrote:

A doctor friend puts all stroke patients immediately into a
hyperbaric chamber. Seems to reverse most strokes. Anyone
familiar with this technique?


I am not.  But a much simpler way to reduce the damage of a stroke is to
take a big slug of dextromethorphane (DM) cough medicine, as soon as
possible.

When a stroke starves a bit of brain tissue of oxygen, that bit releases
a toxin which damages almost 10 times as much surrounding tissue as the
oxygen starvation causes.  DM cough syrup seems to prevent the
production or effect of that toxin, reducing the total brain cell death
and shortening recovery time, considerably.  This was a serendipitous
discovery.

So, if you think you have had a stroke this is something positive you
can do while waiting for the ambulance.




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Re: CS>Boring but never mind. Hyperbaric

[Frank Cuns-Rial]

Thanks John
Frank ND


On 10/8/2015 10:29 AM, John Popelish wrote:

On 10/08/2015 06:27 AM, Frank Cuns-Rial wrote:

Hi John Read about DM cough syrup. What is DM? and any
supporting eveidence?
Thanks
FrankND



Cough syrups with the active ingredient, dextromethorphan, usually have
big letters "DM" on the label.

I think I read about it, years ago, in Scientific American.  but I may
be wrong about that.

You might search for dextromethorphan neuroprotective.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2694543
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17848867
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Re: CS? on eye pressure

[Frank Cuns-Rial]

No is not the same
Frank ND

On 8/13/2015 1:41 PM, Jess wrote:

Is coleus the same as nettles?




On Aug 11, 2015, at 1:38 PM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.com
mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com wrote:


Thank-you Jane!



On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 10:25 AM, Jane MacRoss
highfie...@internode.on.net mailto:highfie...@internode.on.net wrote:


The Herbal Tincture 'Coleus' is the traditional herbal treatment for
normalizing eye pressure

Jane
Hello everyone,


Can I please get you to advise on a friend who is trying to keep
eye pressure down? Will CS help with this? I read that Echinacea
drops are helpful in drainage.
Thanks so much in advance,

Debbie






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Re: CS? on eye pressure

[Frank Cuns-Rial]

Jane Could you please provide references?
Frank

On 8/11/2015 10:25 AM, Jane MacRoss wrote:

The Herbal Tincture 'Coleus' is the traditional herbal treatment for
normalizing eye pressure

Jane
Hello everyone,


Can I please get you to advise on a friend who is trying to keep eye
pressure down? Will CS help with this? I read that Echinacea drops
are helpful in drainage.
Thanks so much in advance,

Debbie




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Re: CSRe: Mexican Dentists

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

List I have just received a call from one of the recommended dentists from 
Algodones. He quoted me $350 per tooth. I can get it done in US for $250.
Frank
  - Original Message - 
  From: brick...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, November 04, 2005 6:20 PM
  Subject: Re: CSRe: Mexican Dentists


  Mexican dentists are specialist, only do one thing. I believe you need what 
they call a surgeon. I only have experience with two surgeons, Garcia and 
another starts with a R. I liked both dentists. Write to the dentist that tel 
listed and get him to recommend a surgeon or specialist to do the job. They do 
not hesitate to send you to another dentist like for surgery or root canals.
  Brickey

Re: CSAutism

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Paula,
Balancing minerals and aminoacids seems to work at times.
Removing allergens, fungus and general toxins is a must, of course.
Regards
Frank
  - Original Message - 
  From: Paula Perry 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Saturday, November 05, 2005 6:21 AM
  Subject: CSAutism


  Does anyone know of an effective treatment for Autism? If anyone has any 
first hand experience with a treatment that seems to help I would appreciate 
any advice. I am trying to help one of my students. She has a 22 month old 
little boy. He appeared normal until he was vaccinated at 8 months old. She 
said he was ill after the vaccination and then started to regress. He now 
displays all the behaviors and characteristics of Autism. She does think it is 
related to the vaccination and is educated about vaccination. She is 
desperately looking for a way to help her little boy. 
  Thanks,
  Paula


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Re: CSRe: Mexican Dentists

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Hi Brikey,
We are thinking about Mexico dentists for cosmetic dentistry Can you recommend 
any DDS or any way of finding a reliable one? 
Thx

Frank
  - Original Message - 
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  Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2005 9:43 PM
  Subject: CSRe: Mexican Dentists


  Los Algodones, Mexico is where I have had all my dental work done. My 
insurance covered $800.00 dentist work per year so I did $800 work per year. 
The dentist would sign a claim form and my insurance paid me $800 every year. 
Many times my insurance would pay more than my dentist charged! You can even 
negotiate prices with the dentist. My wife has an upper plate and went in for a 
cleaning which normally cost $20. She told the dentist he was only doing half 
the work and he reduced his charge to $10.
  I called my insurance the first time I went to Mexico and told them what the 
dentist charged. They said go for it. They have an agreement where USA has to 
respect the Mexican dentist signature. Don't try IV Chelation as medicare will 
not honor out of country charges. My insurance said they would cover Chelations 
but Medicare was primary and refused to pay so my insurance then refused to pay.
  Brickey 

Re: CSsilver ions vs. particles

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Two different concepts Ode
Regards Frank
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Subject: Re: CSsilver ions vs. particles





 Any available mercury in a filling will soak up silver and harden even
harder, becoming more stable.
That's how the amalgum was made to begin with.
Most of the silver will aborb elsewhere before contacting mercury in
fillings.

Ode


Regarding mercury fillings, I don't remember at this time, whether silver
has a greater electropotential than mercury, I believe it does in which
case, concentrations of mercury in the mucosa (very harmful otherwise)
should not displace silver.
Regards
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Re: CSionic-colloidal

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Marshall, Allow me to correct' , you stateas an ion can be Ag2O... 
Ag2O is a molecule not an ion. The missiing two electrons in the silver are 
supplied by the negatively charged Oxygen singlet and the combination is 
thus stable and electronically balanced.

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Subject: Re: CSionic-colloidal



Terry Chamberlin wrote:


Frank Key said:
Regarding Terry Chamberlin's comments on ions:
To put all the definitions into practical perspective
requires only that one understand the following
sentence.

The difference between silver ions and silver
particles boils down to the fact that silver ions
combine with chloride ions to form silver chloride and
silver particles do not.

All that you are saying is that charged silver
particles smaller than a certain size (what you are
designating *ionic*) interact with chloride in a
certain way, and charged or non-charged particles
bigger than a certain size (what you are calling
*colloidal*) do not.


It does almost appear that way, except a two atom ion/particle does seems
to exist.  As an ion it can be silver oxide Ag2O, and as a particle it can
be Ag2.  They are both 2 atoms, but the particle one will not react with
AgCl, but the ionic one will. Just what the difference is in these two is
difficult to say, except one is reactive and the other is not.

Marshall



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Re: CSsilver ions vs. particles

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Hi list,
Some thoughts regarding how silver would perform in the stomach 
envirionment.
I do not enough about the purported benefits of Colliodal silver vs. ionic 
silver, but I suspect ionic silver is friendlier to the body because all 
minerlas are transported into the cells by ionicelectrical transfer. In the 
case of ionic silver (silver combined with some anion such as chloride, 
sulphate, nitrate, etc) the silver ion is already formed while the collidal 
has to undergo that transformation. This tranformation may or may no take 
place as rapidly as some think.
In the stomach as the parietal glands produce HlC on demand, there should be 
a number of competing ions that react with the acid. The acid will react 
preferentially with one ion over another depending on several factors, the 
most important of each being the relative concentration of each ion. The 
higher the concentration of the cation, the higher the amount of that salt 
being created.

If there is an abundance of sodium over silver the acid
will react with sodium and not with silver.
Whether ionic, unreacted silver remains in the stomach waiting for depletion 
of preferential ions or utilizes anohter transport system, I do not know.
However, knowing the silver ions do penetrate the oral mucosa, it makes a 
lot of sense to bypass the stomach-liver combo and try to force it via this 
mucosa. Simply swish the dose inside your mouth for a couple of minutes 
(remove all metal-bearing dentl fixtures) and then swallow. I have not seen 
any proof of mucosal absorbtion but the ionic size and charge suggests that 
silver would traverse handly.
Regarding mercury fillings, I don't remember at this time, whether silver 
has a greater electropotential than mercury, I believe it does in which 
case, concentrations of mercury in the mucosa (very harmful otherwise) 
should not displace silver.

Regards
Frank. - Original Message - 
From: V vzo...@yahoo.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
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Subject: Re: CSsilver ions vs. particles


Well let me see here, jsut for an analogy when you put salt in water  you 
get a bunch of chlorine ions and sodium ions floating around in  the 
water, it is no longer technically salt' as the ions combine with  the 
water molecules in various ways.
 I wonder if the same thing goes for silver. as long as it is in  some 
kind of solution the atoms remain in an ionic state separate  from each 
other and then combine into a salt when the water is  removed. just a 
thought




On Oct 24, 2005, at 6:50 PM, Duncan Crow wrote:

The difference between silver ions and silver particles boils down  to 
the
fact that silver ions combine with chloride ions to form silver 
chloride and

silver particles do not.



I'd like to point out that silver is superficially attacked by
hydrochloric acid. If isilver particles don't produce silver
chloride, what does it produce (in the stomach or in a test tube)
when exposed to the HCl in there?

Duncan


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Re: CSForced Vaccination

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

List,
I can't imagine living on a country where I must vacinate or else. I'd rather 
move out. I am sure is not going to happen and I resent all those 
sensationalist messages and supporting articles purporting that Americans 
have no say on vacinations. I refused to get vacinated when I came into this 
country (from Franco's regime), refused to have my son vacinated and know 
people who have done likewise.
I am confident that when the time comes, I'll prevail as I have done in the 
past.
Regards
Frank
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  Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 5:37 AM
  Subject: CSForced Vaccination


  Get ready for a vaccination whether you want it or not.

   
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Re: CSFlu Immunization, vaccines in general, and Hep C

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

List, Electrolite in Gatorade takes CS deeper into the tissues? Any research on 
this?
Regards
Frank
  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Harris 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Cc: Richard Harris 
  Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 11:55 AM
  Subject: RE: CSFlu Immunization, vaccines in general, and Hep C


  Hi Max,
  I make, sell and take a good quality CS (1 part + 2 parts Gatorade--as 
electrotyte to take the CS deeper into tissues than CS  can go alone); and also 
recommend to everyone that they add BECK (or other) zapper to your treatment. V 
made mine and I have ordered several for friends and highly recommend V's 
quality workmanship, his very reasonable price, his promptness in making and 
shipping and the FREE BECK Papers CD that he encloses with the order (which to 
me seems worth it's weight in gold) + V monitors these Sites and is handy to 
help with questions and valuable information. Many can use bG's Site for simple 
directions to be able to make their own, but if you prefer, send V an inquiry.
  Please check my Site  Blogspot (in which I offer Free 3 pages of CS Uses and 
1 page of my CS Favorites to which I refer often.
  Let me know if I might be of help.
  Sincerely,
  ___
  Richard Harris, 58 Year FL Pharmacist
  448 West Juniata Street
  Clermont, FL 34711
  http://www.rharrisinc.com
  http://www.seasilver.com/reh
  http://healthandhealing.blogspot.com


-Original Message-
From: Max Sanders [mailto:mazsand...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:55 PM
To: CS
Subject: CSFlu Immunization, vaccines in general, and Hep C


Do most of you folk NOT take the flu vaccine due to your healthy distrust 
of poison in the needles, or the more positive take that Silver and other 
methods will protect?  I am interested in the various points of view.

I myself have always distrusted vaccines, but evaluate continually i.e. I 
have Hep C.  It is strongly recommended to get the antibodies to Hep A and B 
because a case of either could sink the liver. So I tried the Hep A and B 
series and my body did not make the antibodies.  So now I am retaking the 
shots, but by a travel dr or immunologist, who uses a subdermal (as opposed 
to intermuscular) technique that may help stimulate the antibodies.  I 
generally would rather not, but the risk scenario seemed OK...but then again, I 
do not know that much about this situation.

Does anyone know what a neg response to the Hep A and B vaccines means?  
The Dr's just shrug, but state that the response rate normally is in the 99% 
range (have heard different).

I still make my silver and loyally take it as one of the tools to keep me 
healthy. (I am sure my quality and potency could be better)  But my viral loads 
have remained steady, much to my dismay.  I would love, obviously, a total 
clearance.  Any new info on Hep C approaches?  I haven't asked here in a while. 
 The good news is that my liver is pretty healthy (never abused to a great 
degree and protect w Milk Thistle), and recent tests show normal liver enzymes 
for the first time in a decade.  So I have this sense that I am holding strong, 
but the virus remains in an immune system sensitive state.  As such, I feel 
vulnerable to a twist of fate that would lead to a viral explosion.  

Thanks for any and all considered responses.

Maz



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Re: CSFlu Immunization, vaccines in general, and Hep C

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Nenah, I agree with you regarding Fulvates and not putting sugars into the 
body. I am intrigued, thought, by a number of matter-of-fact- statements I read 
on the Net and I would like to investigate them further. Thanks for your reply.
Frank
  - Original Message - 
  From: Nenah Sylver 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 12:19 PM
  Subject: Re: CSFlu Immunization, vaccines in general, and Hep C


  - Original Message - 
  From: FRANK CUNS-RIAL 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 1:10 PM
  Subject: Re: CSFlu Immunization, vaccines in general, and Hep C


  List, Electrolite in Gatorade takes CS deeper into the tissues? Any research 
on this?
  Regards
  Frank
  =
  Frank,
  I believe this was discussed awhile ago on this list but I don't remember the 
details.

  My concern is the sugar and other stuff in the Gatorade that is not good for 
me. I like Fulvic Acid minerals from Vital Earth. The Fulvic Acid is supposed 
to chelate heavy metals out of the body. I know that CS isn't a heavy metal -- 
but does anyone know how that would be affected if the two were taken together?

  Nenah

Re: CSFlu Immunization, vaccines in general, and Hep C

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Marshall, Thx for the info. You say...the high chlorine content causes the 
silverWhere is this chlorine coming from? Are you talking about chlorine 
gas? 
Where would I get the supporting evidence?
Thx
Frank
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marshall Dudley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 12:23 PM
  Subject: Re: CSFlu Immunization, vaccines in general, and Hep C


  Gatorade increases the absorption rate of the ionic portion of EIS.  The 
absorption rate is normally restricted due to the ionic portion turning to 
silver chloride in the stomach, and the low solubility ( .8 ppm ) of silver in 
water or diluted stomach acids.  When you mix with gatorade, the high chlorine 
content causes the silver to form silver complexes, which are highly soluble, 
and thus can pass into the blood stream unimpeded. 
  Marshall 

  Nenah Sylver wrote: 

- Original Message -
From: FRANK CUNS-RIAL
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: CSFlu Immunization, vaccines in general, and Hep C
 List, Electrolite in Gatorade takes CS deeper into the tissues? Any 
research on this?RegardsFrank=Frank,I believe this was discussed awhile 
ago on this list but I don't remember the details. My concern is the sugar and 
other stuff in the Gatorade that is not good for me. I like Fulvic Acid 
minerals from Vital Earth. The Fulvic Acid is supposed to chelate heavy metals 
out of the body. I know that CS isn't a heavy metal -- but does anyone know how 
that would be affected if the two were taken together? Nenah

Re: CSFlu Immunization, vaccines in general, and Hep C

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Marshall, I apologize. I understood chlorine and you meant chloride..
Thx for the refs. I'll check them out.
Regards
Frank
  - Original Message - 
  From: Marshall Dudley 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 1:41 PM
  Subject: Re: CSFlu Immunization, vaccines in general, and Hep C


  Check the ingredients in Gatorade.  You will find electrolytes in it, sodium 
chloride and potassium chloride. 
  The supporting information is in these archives, where I have previously 
posted the information, and references. 

  Marshall 

  FRANK CUNS-RIAL wrote: 

 Marshall, Thx for the info. You say...the high chlorine content causes the 
silverWhere is this chlorine coming from? Are you talking about chlorine 
gas?Where would I get the supporting evidence?ThxFrank 
  - Original Message -
  From: Marshall Dudley
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 12:23 PM
  Subject: Re: CSFlu Immunization, vaccines in general, and Hep C
   Gatorade increases the absorption rate of the ionic portion of EIS.  The 
absorption rate is normally restricted due to the ionic portion turning to 
silver chloride in the stomach, and the low solubility ( .8 ppm ) of silver in 
water or diluted stomach acids.  When you mix with gatorade, the high chlorine 
content causes the silver to form silver complexes, which are highly soluble, 
and thus can pass into the blood stream unimpeded. 
  Marshall 

  Nenah Sylver wrote: 

- Original Message -
From: FRANK CUNS-RIAL
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, October 21, 2005 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: CSFlu Immunization, vaccines in general, and Hep C
 List, Electrolite in Gatorade takes CS deeper into the tissues? Any 
research on this?RegardsFrank=Frank,I believe this was discussed awhile 
ago on this list but I don't remember the details. My concern is the sugar and 
other stuff in the Gatorade that is not good for me. I like Fulvic Acid 
minerals from Vital Earth. The Fulvic Acid is supposed to chelate heavy metals 
out of the body. I know that CS isn't a heavy metal -- but does anyone know how 
that would be affected if the two were taken together? Nenah

Re: CSCancer, lemon juice, etc.

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Hi Terry would you send me the zip file as well? Thx
Frank
- Original Message - 
From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 5:23 PM
Subject: CSCancer, lemon juice, etc.



Barbara said,

Are you saying that all those hundreds of thousands

of people that are dying of cancer each year (my
husband was one of them)
are dying completely needlesly?  And all the learned
doctors and scientists do not understand or don't want
to understand those simple changes on the cell level? 
Are you saying that each and every cancer can be

reversed by simply drinking lots of lemon juice and
take alkaline minerals?

Let us not oversimplify here. Yes, most or all cancer
deaths are needless, provided they had been treated
early enough in ways that enabled the body to heal
itself. Assuming the body had not sunk too low and
lost too much ground to heal itself. No, it is not so
simple as to just drink lemon water and all cancers
will vanish. Dr. Carey Reams treated over 50,000
cancer patients in his life, and claimed to have only
lost 7 to cancer (most of them terminal, who had
already experienced all their doctors could do to
them). There is a long list of doctors and health
practitioners who have had astounding success with all
types of cancers, who have also been persecuted
mercilessly by the medical establishment because of
their success.

Even using the word *cancer* is complex. What type of
cancer? How long has it been there? How old is the
victim? What has been their lifestyle up to
discovering their cancer? How optimistic/pessimistic
is their outlook on life? Have they already had their
immune system damaged by standard medical procedure?
These factors play a significant part in the success
of combating cancer.

I have worked with many cancer victims since I started
testing in 1984. All of them, without exception, have
had very acid urine/saliva pH. Does acid pH cause
cancer? No, but bringing up the pH is a very, very
integral part of fighting cancer. Dr. 
Reams used lemon-water, calcium hydroxide and massive

does of Vit D (up to 50,000 iu/day) along with other
things to not just raise the pH but to concurrently
improve the immune system and to detoxify and
strengthen the body. He felt that faith in God was as
important as improving pH in optimizing the patient's
chances of recovery.

I had a woman with cancer who was brought to me by her
husband to test. She had been having 100,000 mg of Vit
C injected each day to fight off her cancer. Her pH
was the lowest I had ever seen. I took her off the Vit
C and recommended a diet/supplement program that
included high doses of Vit D, the appropriate calciums
and a high protein smoothie each day. Her condition
was too fragile to do the lemon-water (a healing
crisis might have done her in). She came in for
bi-monthly testing, but wasn't following my
recommendations. She didn't like the taste of the
smoothie. She didn't like taking all those pills. She
wouldn't take her cancer seriously. She was dead in
two months. Was her cancer needless? Yes, but there
was more going on here than cancer. I could speculate
that she had a death-wish, or had already given up,
but whatever the case, diet and supplements were not
adequate.

One of the reasons that EFT has had such astounding
success with all kinds of health issues, including
cancer, is that it addresses the emotional components
of the persons health issues. I consider it to be as
important as nutrition.

By-the-way, I have a zip file that contains a
collection of articles about cancer that is profound.
I will gladly send it to anyone who asks for it.

Terry Chamberlin







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CSSacrificial CS

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

List,
I am looking for scientific refrences regarding the mode of operation of CS in 
dealing with bacteria, mold, etc and how the active concentration of CS 
diminishes, or is spent, as it reduces the pathogen load.
Thx
Frank

Re: CSSacrificial CS

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Ole Bob, There is a very interesting study by Prof J. Gibbs of the University 
of Delaware, where it demosntrates that silver concentration diminishes in 
dierect proportion to the bio-burden.
Regards
frank
  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert Berger 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 4:17 PM
  Subject: Re: CSSacrificial CS


  Frank,
  I can't answer all of your questions but the activity of the silver ion does 
not diminish as it neutralizes molds, bacteria or virius. It does have a short 
life in the body of about 1 1/2 hours as it is filter out by the kidneys. The 
silver list archives has a report on that dated about four years ago.

  Silver somehow interfers with the  life cycle of the pathogens.

  Ole Bob

Re: CSCancer, lemon juice, etc.

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Barbara said,

Are you saying that all those hundreds of thousands

of people that are dying of cancer each year (my
husband was one of them)
are dying completely needlesly?  And all the learned
doctors and scientists do not understand or don't want
to understand those simple changes on the cell level?
Are you saying that each and every cancer can be
reversed by simply drinking lots of lemon juice and
take alkaline minerals?


List
I support Terry's comments. Barbara, I am truly sorry that you lost your 
husband to cancer but I lost my mother as well and I, for a while, believed 
all the stories. test results, etc that MD threw in my way. I was even proud 
of the fact that I could understand all their jargon and proposed changes to 
the treatment! I was a poor ignorant buffon, playing their game.
Today, a few years later, I know better and I am convinced that many cancer 
patients do die needlessly because of the terror campaign the AMA started 
many decades ago and continues to this day. The only valid approach for the 
AMA is chemistry (pharmaceuticals) and only if they can be patented. If, at 
this time, it become known that anything other than chemotherapy would cure 
cancer, the medical profession will never recover. At this time, they think 
of themselves as the only ones prepared to fight cancer. This monopolistic 
terrorism, relies on the political power of the AMA. Last week they came up 
with the cure for another cancer that kills 3000 Americans a year and you 
could see MD on TV with their faces elated in enthusiasm. Pathetic I would 
say, when you realize that over 500, 000 Americasn die each year from all 
cancers.
Dr. Nick Gonzalez ( I believe that is his name) in NY is achieving a cure 
rate for pancreatic cancer of 80% (following the 5 year nonsense ruel) using 
proteolitic enzymes. MD can't even get to 10%! THe AMA challenged him to 
file with the FDA and for the longest time he refused but ultimatly 
sucumbed. Once the FDA approves his protocol, other MD will be able to copy 
and treat patients.
I do want to tell you that within five years Gonzalez's protocol will be 
ruined and discredited. Never mind that German and French MDs have been 
using it for decades with the same rate of success. Is not patentable and 
thus does not cure
The same applies to other techniques such as those of Rife, Beck, Clark, 
Burzynski, etc. all of them capable researchers that have invented and/or 
developed procedures proven capable of high remision rates, many of them 
hopeless
When it comes to cancer and other chronic diseases, we are victims of the 
biggest hoax ever perpetrated on mankind.
Have you ever thought about the efficacy of critical care? Allopathic 
medicine has made tremendous progress in the surgery and acute care 
fields.but is a total fiasco when it comes to chronic care. Guess where most 
of the money is made!
Imagine that all the inflammatory, cancer,cardiovascular and diabetes 
diseases would bo away as a fracture leg does. see my point?
MD do understand what is happening in the cellualr terrain but there is a 
huge leap between that and a cure.
On the other hand is silly to think than drinking lemon juice will prevent 
cancer. But if you develop an alkaline extracellular terrian you stand a far 
greater chance of avoiding cancer.
Dr Rath has done extensive work in this regard and has proven that certian 
simple natural aminoacids do restrain metastasis. Has anyone ever heard that 
on TV? The minute a TV station braodcasts such a fact, Pharma will pull all 
the advertising from that station and have the FDA and FTC get into action.
Many Md ask the same questions but the largest majority do not know any 
better. Ask any MD about ways to treat cancer other than chemotherpay and 
you'll get the deepest silence.
There is a whole world out there of valid, effective ways of saving lives 
and the AMA is doing an outstanding job in keeping it hidden from us. .

Best wishes,
Frank

Original Message - 
From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2005 5:23 PM
Subject: CSCancer, lemon juice, etc.




Let us not oversimplify here. Yes, most or all cancer
deaths are needless, provided they had been treated
early enough in ways that enabled the body to heal
itself. Assuming the body had not sunk too low and
lost too much ground to heal itself. No, it is not so
simple as to just drink lemon water and all cancers
will vanish. Dr. Carey Reams treated over 50,000
cancer patients in his life, and claimed to have only
lost 7 to cancer (most of them terminal, who had
already experienced all their doctors could do to
them). There is a long list of doctors and health
practitioners who have had astounding success with all
types of cancers, who have also been persecuted
mercilessly by the medical establishment because of
their success.

Even using the word *cancer* is complex. What type of
cancer? How long has it been there? How old is the
victim? What has 

Re: CSMercury toxification cure?

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Hi list,
A combination of Chinese Cilantro, Chorella, Wild Bear garlic (Marcopharma) 
and making sure all organs of elimination are at its best, ususally does the 
trick in about 3 months for mild cases.

Regards
Frank
- Original Message - 
From: Ken  Nancy Bagwell kenancy2...@yahoo.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 12:54 PM
Subject: Re: CSMercury toxification cure?



I think we discussed this before, folks.  The cilantro
cure if I remember correctly, does not actually
remove mercury from the body altogether. The study, I
believe, said that it was able to move the mercury
from the brain to less dangerous locations, however.
I wish I had the information again.  I could probably
find it if I look on the 'net again.  Anyway, if one
is in serious need of mercury removal, EDTA treatment
will do it. However, the highest amount of mercury
removed involves between 10-20 treatments of something
like 3-4 hours hooked up to an IV with the EDTA
solution.  There might be better ways but that is the
traditional one.

-Ken Bagwell


--- Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com wrote:


I have read that there are two leafy greens at
grocery stores clled
cilantro, and to be sure to get the right one.  Is
the correct one the one
that has leaves shaped somewhat like a shamrock
leaf?

Thanks,

Marshall

Heather King (LCA) wrote:

 I've heard that consuming copious quantities of
the delicious herb
 Cilantro will effect a cleansing, but I have no
first-hand experience
 with that.

 Heather

 -Original Message-
 From: Faith Saint Francis
[mailto:faithstfran...@hotmail.com]
 Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 10:27 AM
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: CSMercury toxification cure?

 My friends,

 We have read so much about the amalgam threat.

 I stated that mercury, the most dangerous part in
the amalgam stuff that

 comes free, and goes with the blood stream to our
poor, already so badly

 battered body-organs is VERY HARD to remove.

 Is there anything known about the how-to-do, to
rid oneself of mercury
 deposits in the body?

 Faith




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Re: CSMercury Detox Protocol

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Hi List, It is no longer necesary to get up in the middle of the night to 
take Lipoic, because you can find Sustained release versions (300 mg dose))


regards Frank
- Original Message - 
From: Lea Ann lsav...@cfl.rr.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 3:26 PM
Subject: CSMercury Detox Protocol



Hello Ken and all...

I have this book:  http://www.noamalgam.com/  it is VERY good and the 
author is a regular poster answering people's questions on this Yahoo 
Group: http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Autism-Mercury/  his name is 
Andrew Hall Cutler.


He has a Very Thorough mercury detox protocol and he goes into great 
detail about what it takes to get Mercury out of your brain as opposed to 
just getting it out of your body.  Apparently, ALA (Alpha Lipoic Acid) 
crosses the blood brain barrier to get the mercury out.


An important part of his protocol is the timing of the doses.  He has a 
several days on, several days off protocol and the timing of the doses 
is CRITICAL - meaning you have to take your ALA every 4 hours including 
getting up in the middle of the night to take your dose.


He uses DMPS for mercury chelation and does not recommend chlorella or 
Cilantro.  About EDTA, in his book he states, EDTA is an intravenous 
chelating agent for lead.  It is not very selective and superseded for 
practical purposes by DMSA.  EDTA is used by alternative physicians to 
treat coronary artery disease, intermittent claudication, and peripheral 
neuropathy with some success.  It is not generally helpful for chronic 
fatigue and other mercury related symptom complexes.  Physicians familiar 
with EDTA may not be aware that it is not the medication of choice to 
treat lead or mercury intoxication at present.


Regarding DMPS he states, DMPS is a chelating agent for mercury and 
arsenic.  Currently investigational in the US.  DMPS is a water soluble 
dimercapto chelating agent that stays outside the cells.  It mops up 
mercury and suppresses symptoms very well.  Large doses (e.g. 3 mg/kg IV) 
have been associated with risks of liver damage, neutropenia, and other 
serious adverse reactions.  Deaths may also have occurred.  There are no 
statistics but best estimates are that the risk may be as high as 17% per 
patient undergoing monthly DMPS therapy by injection.  Lower intravenous 
doses appear to be safer, but not safe.  Intramuscular administration 
appears to be associated with more sever side effects and a greater risk 
of adverse reactions.  It is also painful.  If yeast or fungus infection 
occurs or progresses during therapy, suspect neutropenia.  Agranulocytosis 
can occur. When used properly by oral administration every 8 hours DMPS if 
fairly safe and works very well.  Proper use is described in the text. 
Orally administered DMPS relieves symptoms more promptly and completely 
than DMSA for the duration of therapy despite the fact that no more 
mercury is excreted.  It is often tolerated by people who do not tolerate 
DMSA, or has a similar side effect at a reduced level that may permit 
therapy.  DMPS increases the excretion of mercury in the urine but not in 
the feces.  It also increases the excretion of copper and other essential 
elements in the urine, but this does not significantly affect the body's 
balance since these are primarily excreted in the feces.


I have to run but sometime tomorrow I'll post what he says about ALA 
(Lipoic Acid), Chlorella and Cilantro if anyone wants me to.


I HIGHLY recommend:  1) his book and 2) the Yahoo Group I listed links to.

Blessings,
Lea Ann Savage
Satellite Beach, FL
321-773-7088
I keep trying to make my house child-proof but they keep getting in 
anyway


- Original Message - 
From: Ken  Nancy Bagwell kenancy2...@yahoo.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 1:54 PM
Subject: Re: CSMercury toxification cure?



I think we discussed this before, folks.  The cilantro
cure if I remember correctly, does not actually
remove mercury from the body altogether. The study, I
believe, said that it was able to move the mercury
from the brain to less dangerous locations, however.
I wish I had the information again.  I could probably
find it if I look on the 'net again.  Anyway, if one
is in serious need of mercury removal, EDTA treatment
will do it. However, the highest amount of mercury
removed involves between 10-20 treatments of something
like 3-4 hours hooked up to an IV with the EDTA
solution.  There might be better ways but that is the
traditional one.

-Ken Bagwell



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Re: CSBlue nails

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

William, I have nt heard os Selenium being applicable to blue nails but you 
should not exceed 400 micrograms of
organically bound selenium for one month. Long-term supplementation is safe 
at 200 mcg.

More importantly, why are you getting blue nails?
take care
Frank - Original Message - 
From: sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: CSBlue nails


Which leads to what is a good supplemental dose of selenium for the 
purposes of reversing or preventing blue nails, etc?


sol

William Missett wrote:

I'm taking 400 iu of Vit. 3 and a moderate selenium dosage, 25 mcg. 
daily, and have been for years.  I'll have to boost my selenium intake. 
Thanks for the tip



There is specific evidence that increasing one's
intake of selenium and Vit E increases the body's
utilization of silver (and diminishes its tendency to
accumulate silver in the skin or elsewhere). The
corollary idea is that a deficiency of these nutrients
contributes to a susceptibility to argyria

If I had blue anything, I would supplement with those items.




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Re: CSH2O2 measurements

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Marshall, I suspect that the peroxide would oxidize the ionic silver from 
one free reactive electron to two, reacting simultaneously and stripping an 
oxygen from the peroxide and releasing water.

Ag+1 + H2O2=AgO +H2O
This reaction is stoichiometrically balanced and chemically viable. It may 
help in the form of catalysis, heat, etc.  (I have not checked the 
electropotentials of each entity)

Whether it happens only experiementation would tell.
I also suspect it'd be rather difficult for the peroxide (even 35%) to react 
with the free metal, other than a surface oxidation.


Frank

.- Original Message - 
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2005 5:00 PM
Subject: CSH2O2 measurements



I am making up some CS for a vet who wants it H2O2 energized.
Previously on this list we have discussed exactly what H2O2 does when
added to brewed EIS (CS).  Basically the action is fairly complex, and
can result in clearing yellow cs, and in other cases clouding clear cs,
depending on the colloidal content, the ionic content, and the amount of
hydrogen peroxide added.  I will be analyzing the addition of 3% H2O2,
if you are using 35% then then amount used should be cut by slightly
over 10:1.

H2O2 has the unique property of combining with the colloidal component
of EIS, making silver oxide AND reacting with silver oxide producing
colloidal particles of only 2 atoms each releasing oxygen.  If during
this time the amount of silver oxide exceeds the solubility limit of
about 13 ppm*, the solution may become cloudy.  If the EIS has color,
this will also typically disappear if the solubility limit of the silver
oxide is not exceeded.

At this time is is unclear what the stochastic are of the two
reactions.  They likely do depend on H2O2 concentration, and possibly
temperature or other factors.  However an analysis of the chemistry does
indicate that one does not want an excessive amount of H2O2 once it is
mixed with anything else or taken internally.  The reason for this is
that as long as there is any remaining H2O2 there is a continuous
conversion back and forth between silver particles and silver oxide, and
if you mix it with anything that has a chlorine component (saliva,
stomach acid, blood), the silver oxide immediately becomes silver
chloride and is no longer available to make particles, and if over about
.8 ppm, will precipitate out.  This will stop the conversion of the
ionic portion to the particulate portion, but will not stop the
particulate to the ionic, thus causing the colloidal portion to decrease
while the silver chloride increases over time.  This is one reason for
the recommendation to let it sit for 5 or so minutes before taking, to
hopefully allow the excess H2O2 to be used up.

So what we want to add is probably something on the order of the amount
of H2O2 that represents a 5:1 to 10:1 ratio of molecules of H2O2 to
silver atoms.  The reason why we want an excess over 1:1 are twofold.
First we start with about 90% ionic, and 10% colloidal, but the
particles are much larger than 2 atoms each.  We must break down the
larger particles which is going to use up some of the needed H2O2 to
convert them to silver oxide first. But even more importantly, as we
convert 2 atom silver oxide to silver particles, 2 atom silver particles
are being converted back to silver oxide.  So we have an exponential
rate of change over time with increasing particle content, where the
final result is approached exponentially. This basically means we will
need an excess of H2O2 to get anywhere near the highest conversion to
particles, an excess which I estimate to be on the order of 5:1 to 10:1.

Now for some numbers.

60 drops = 1 teaspoon
48 teaspoons = 1 cup = 8 oz
16 cups = 1 gallon
mw of silver = 108
mw of H2O2 = 34

10 ppm of silver in water will require 3.14 (10*34/108) ppm of H2O2 to
have an equal number ot atoms of silver vs molecules of H2O2.
One cup of EIS will contain 2880 drops, so 3.14*2880/(.03*100) = 0.3
drops of 3% H2O2 would correspond to a equal number of molecules of H2O2
vs silver atoms.

A 5:1 to 10:1 excess would indicate the optimum amount of 3% H2O2 added
to a cup of 10 ppm CS would be 1.5 to 3 drops.  This agrees very well
with the experimental results people have reported here that an
effective ratio is a couple of drops per glassful.  That works out to
about 1/2 teaspoon per gallon. Of course 20 ppm CS would require twice
those values.

* silver oxide spontaneously hydrates to silver hydroxide, which
spontaneously dehydrates back to silver oxide.  The result is that
normally one will have approximately equal amounts of both giving a
total solubility limit of the two of them of about 26 ppm total (13 ppm
each).

Marshall



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Re: CSSodium Bicarb for starter

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Jim, I'll do it for you if you tell me first, what, in heavens name posesses 
anyone to figure that out? for?

Thnks
Frank
Chemist
- Original Message - 
From: Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: CSSodium Bicarb for starter



Can one of our more accomplished chemists do the math for the amount of
Silver carbonate formed when distilled water at approximately 1.2 PPM TDS 
is

brought to 4.5 PPM TDS using sodium hydrogen carbonate?

How much silver carbonate is formed?

What happens to silver carbonate in the digestive system?

In what form does it exist in the blood?

When exposed to ordinary room light, and sunlight, what are the products 
of

decomposition?


Jim

-Original Message-
From: Ian Roe [mailto:ian_onta...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 7:33 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSodium Bicarb for starter

Hello:

Would the small amount of Silver Carbonate formed in this process be
disadventageous in any way?

Ian


- Original Message - 
From: Ian Roe ian_onta...@hotmail.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 5:02 PM
Subject: CSSodium Bicarb for starter



Hello:

Is there anything to be really concerned about in adding Sodium Bicarb to
Distilled water in small amounts, say to increase PPM  to 5 before
starting the electrolytic process for CS? I had been using 25% CS ( 1000
ml Starter plus 3000 ml Distilled) from the previous batches but have
found that starting with 5 ppm Sodium Bicarb greatly speeds the process 
up



and the CS that comes out is clear and tastes like good CS and it works.

Ian



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Re: CSSodium Bicarb for starter

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Jim Is TDS Total Dissolved Solids?
Frank
- Original Message - 
From: Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: CSSodium Bicarb for starter



I am using CS Pro's 170 V pulsed DC unit.  The instructions for adjusting
the conductivity prior to making the silver include making a concentrated
solution of Sodium Bicarbonate, and then using that and a conductivity 
meter

to adjust the water to between 4 and 5 PPM TDS.

Thank you for offering to do the calculations.  I greatly appreciate it. 
I

could (probably)  do it, but it would require a couple of days of
self-taught refresher course to get it together.

-Original Message-
From: FRANK CUNS-RIAL [mailto:f...@atlanticbb.net]
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 1:24 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSodium Bicarb for starter

Jim, I'll do it for you if you tell me first, what, in heavens name 
posesses


anyone to figure that out? for?
Thnks
Frank
Chemist
- Original Message - 
From: Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: CSSodium Bicarb for starter



Can one of our more accomplished chemists do the math for the amount of
Silver carbonate formed when distilled water at approximately 1.2 PPM TDS
is
brought to 4.5 PPM TDS using sodium hydrogen carbonate?

How much silver carbonate is formed?

What happens to silver carbonate in the digestive system?

In what form does it exist in the blood?

When exposed to ordinary room light, and sunlight, what are the products
of
decomposition?


Jim

-Original Message-
From: Ian Roe [mailto:ian_onta...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 7:33 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSodium Bicarb for starter

Hello:

Would the small amount of Silver Carbonate formed in this process be
disadventageous in any way?

Ian


- Original Message - 
From: Ian Roe ian_onta...@hotmail.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 5:02 PM
Subject: CSSodium Bicarb for starter



Hello:

Is there anything to be really concerned about in adding Sodium Bicarb 
to

Distilled water in small amounts, say to increase PPM  to 5 before
starting the electrolytic process for CS? I had been using 25% CS ( 1000
ml Starter plus 3000 ml Distilled) from the previous batches but have
found that starting with 5 ppm Sodium Bicarb greatly speeds the process
up



and the CS that comes out is clear and tastes like good CS and it works.

Ian



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Re: CSSodium Bicarb for starter

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Jim, I understand that you may want to dilute a concentrated solution od 
CO3HNa (Sodium Bicarbonate) down with water to a reading of 4 to ppm TDS. 
All you have to add is water. mixing and measuring until you get the desired 
reading.
What I don;t understand, neither you provide me with sufficient information, 
is the question of how much Silver carbonate (CO3Ag2) would it be formed in 
the process?
First you are talking about a simple physical dilution of Sodium Bicarbonate 
and secondly you introduce a chemical reaction in which you include Silver 
Carbonate as one of the reactants, Where is the silver reagent coming from?
do you mean to dilute the Bicarbonate solution with CS water instaed of 
Distilled? If that is so I would need toknow the concentration of this CS.
Are the calibration of your instrument via a conductivity meter and the 
making of CS, perhaps, two separate and distinct procedures?

I am confused.
Thx FCR
- Original Message - 
From: Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 2:31 PM
Subject: RE: CSSodium Bicarb for starter



I am using CS Pro's 170 V pulsed DC unit.  The instructions for adjusting
the conductivity prior to making the silver include making a concentrated
solution of Sodium Bicarbonate, and then using that and a conductivity 
meter

to adjust the water to between 4 and 5 PPM TDS.

Thank you for offering to do the calculations.  I greatly appreciate it. 
I

could (probably)  do it, but it would require a couple of days of
self-taught refresher course to get it together.

-Original Message-
From: FRANK CUNS-RIAL [mailto:f...@atlanticbb.net]
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 1:24 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSodium Bicarb for starter

Jim, I'll do it for you if you tell me first, what, in heavens name 
posesses


anyone to figure that out? for?
Thnks
Frank
Chemist
- Original Message - 
From: Jim Holmes ami...@starband.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 12:48 PM
Subject: RE: CSSodium Bicarb for starter



Can one of our more accomplished chemists do the math for the amount of
Silver carbonate formed when distilled water at approximately 1.2 PPM TDS
is
brought to 4.5 PPM TDS using sodium hydrogen carbonate?

How much silver carbonate is formed?

What happens to silver carbonate in the digestive system?

In what form does it exist in the blood?

When exposed to ordinary room light, and sunlight, what are the products
of
decomposition?


Jim

-Original Message-
From: Ian Roe [mailto:ian_onta...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 7:33 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSSodium Bicarb for starter

Hello:

Would the small amount of Silver Carbonate formed in this process be
disadventageous in any way?

Ian


- Original Message - 
From: Ian Roe ian_onta...@hotmail.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 5:02 PM
Subject: CSSodium Bicarb for starter



Hello:

Is there anything to be really concerned about in adding Sodium Bicarb 
to

Distilled water in small amounts, say to increase PPM  to 5 before
starting the electrolytic process for CS? I had been using 25% CS ( 1000
ml Starter plus 3000 ml Distilled) from the previous batches but have
found that starting with 5 ppm Sodium Bicarb greatly speeds the process
up



and the CS that comes out is clear and tastes like good CS and it works.

Ian



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Re: CSRe: 170 V pulsed DC process.

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Jim, without getting into heavy stuff, let me explain the diffculty in 
answering the question of how many ppm of Silver carbonate you'd get.
If you were to start with pure bicarbonate, it would dissasociate into 
carbonate and we could then figure out the amount of Silver Carbonate but only 
if if we knew also knew how much Silver was available.
You have two unkowns in your premisse
.\One is tha fact that you use household grade bicarbonate not reagent grade. 
You don't know how much of it is impurities and above all you don't know what 
kind of impurities you are dealing with. I bet you have moisture, sulfates, 
carbonates and other impurities.
That could be one of the reasons why you are not able to get a linear 
relationship between concentrations and conductivities. 
In addition, please keep in mind that dissolved gases, such as carbon dioxide 
and oxygen will change your TDS readings.
The second issue is that if you are looking for the amount of Silver Carbonate, 
you need to know how much Carbonate (or bicarbonate) and how much Silver are 
available. Reactions occur until one of the reactants are exausted. This is 
called the Limiting Reagent or Reactant. Once this reactant is all used up, the 
reactions stops regardless of the amounts left over unreacted of any of the 
other reactants. 
So you'd need to know the concentration of the two ions (carbonate and silver)  
 in order to determine the resulting - amount of Silver Carbonate.
Your supplier has done this work experiemntally, knowing the amounts, the 
reaction parameters and the end result and thus is able to tell you what 
amounts of whatever you'll be getting if you operate under the same conditions..
Regards
FCR
Original Message - 
  From: Jim Holmes 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 3:26 PM
  Subject: CSRe: 170 V pulsed DC process.


  Frank, et al,



  The sol produces is clear, with a very faint gold tinge if looked at through 
the HDPE bottle, a few hours after the process. It does not precipitate. 

Re: CSRe: fingernails/bone density

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Hi Jill, The accuracy (the closeness of the results to the true value) of the 
Bone Density measuring devices and the techinique itself is poor so that MD ask 
you not to come back for six months. That is not because they don't want to see 
your money more often but rather because of the lack of accuracy of the 
measuremnts. 
Forgive me for the sarcasm, but I was wondering what sort of instrument your 
herbalist has that enables him (her) to tell you that your bone density will 
increase in nine days (not eight, not ten, but nine) 
Mind you that his(hers) level of accuracy is not measured in plus or minus a 
few weeks or months but actually within one day. Just amazing. That is truly an 
accurate prediction and I'd certainly would like to know how does he (she) 
knows that!
We all know that sesame seeds contain more calcium than milk (w/w) and that 
this calcium is highly bioavailable, but nine days?
Best regards
Frank 
  - Original Message - 
  From: grace1...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 11:18 AM
  Subject: CSRe: fingernails/bone density


  I was looking for a way to increase bone density.  My herbalist suggested I 
grind two tablespoons black unprocessed sesame seeds and consume them daily.  
He said this would increase my bone density in nine days, as opposed to the 30 
days to achieve the same effect with the tan sesame seeds.  I never did have my 
bone density checked--before or after, so I can't say if that worked.  I can 
say that my fingernails grew so strong in a short period of time that I was 
unable to trim them with my fingernail clipper (didn't have the strength).  I 
gave two friends of mine coffee grinders and a supply of these black sesame 
seeds.  One of these had fallen off a roof feet first and suffered 13 foot and 
ankle fractures.  He was not supposed to be able to walk again, but I last saw 
him doing just that.  The doctor couldn't get over his surprise on viewing the 
x-rays.  My other friend was an elderly lady with multiple vertebral fractures 
(spinal collapse).  She had a marked degree of lessening of her pain when 
taking the sesame seeds.

  If you experiment with black sesame seeds, make sure you get the ones that 
are not hulled, as I think that removes the minerals--much like processing 
grain.  The best source I have found is an Asian grocery store, where the 
propietor speaks enough English to figure out what I need.  I order the black 
sesame seeds by the pound.

  Jill

Re: CSRe: fingernails/bone density

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Jill, I care for people with lupus and cancer as well and I also see them get 
well, but NINE days?
At any rate, sorry if I offended you
Have a great day
Frank
  - Original Message - 
  From: grace1...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, September 26, 2005 11:49 AM
  Subject: Re: CSRe: fingernails/bone density


  Frank:

  Your pessimism is very appropriate.  What I didn't say is that my friend is 
psychic.  He says he gets his information, in addition to experimentation on 
himself, working with patients, and reading widely, from a doctor who has 
passed to the other side.  I call him with a health issue, and he dictates an 
herbal formula sometimes a page long with the number of parts per ingredient.  
He has treated a friend of mine with lung cancer in this way, and a friend with 
lupus.  In both cases medical tests revealed both conditions cleared within 
three months after treatment, and have not returned after ten years.  

  Jill

Re: CSOther things

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

  It is possible that you have low stomach acidity. Have it check and 
correct. Low acidity restricts the assimilation of important minerals.
Check your protein intake. At least 0.8 grams per Kg. (2.2 pounds) of body 
weight and a bit more (5-10%) if physical work is involved or of growing up.

Regards
Frank
- Original Message - 
From: starshar stars...@comcast.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2005 9:24 PM
Subject: Re: CSOther things



From: marmar...@aol.com


Just recently, all my fingernails are splitting and chipping.  I know 
this

means something is wrong somewhere, but I don't know what.  Any ideas? MA



So many possibilities!
Could be need for minerals; could be need for protein; could be need for 
oil as in essential fatty acids.

OrALL of the above.

Silica would be an excellent place to start; you would start seeing 
obvious improvement in just a few weeks.
Years ago I used low dose homeopathic silica and was almost shocked outta 
my socks when I began to get comments on my beautiful nails.


Hm-m-m, I need to take my own advice and get back to that!

Any product that is aimed at bones would also help nails.

Taking amino acid supplements would help if there is not enough protein in 
your diet left over to make healthy nails.


If you're in the habit of getting strong detergents or other household 
chemicals on your hands and nails, always massage a little apple cider 
vinegar into your washed/rinsed and still wet hands. Don't forget a good 
hand cream afterwards.


Sharon

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Re: CSRe: foot pads

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Hi Brickey, Has anyone ever performed an analysis of the extracted residues to 
really confirm is Uric acid or whatever and make sure it does not come from the 
pads themselves or the reaction of normal perspiration with the pads? 
I have read a lot of commercial hype but not a single serious study. Do you 
know of any?
Thx
Frank
  - Original Message - 
  From: brick...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 20, 2005 3:32 PM
  Subject: Re: CSRe: foot pads


  Hi Christine, re-run of foot pad toxin 
colors//The 
detox foot pads came yesterday. Their instruction says they remove uric acid as 
a white color on the pads. Black color indicates cancer toxins! I was sorry my 
foot baths did not turn black like everyone I talked to in Mexico who tried 
foot baths, maybe I should be glad it was colorless. Did all those people have 
cancer? Green color indicates copper, orange color-asbestos. It appears the 
foot pads just might get rid of the old uric acid crystals.

  brickey

Re: CSaspirin vs. white willow bark

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Deborah,
The most concentrated availble form of willow bark features 15% w/w 
salicylic acid. You would need to take eight times as much willow bark as 
aspirin to achieve the same results. This is not advisable!
It is known that some of the other ingredients in the herb affect the 
salicylic sinergistically, but it is not known to what an extent. 
Unfortuately, there is no reliable info regarding this potentiation..
I ususally recommend not to exceed 2x3 capsules a day of the willow bark 15% 
extract for not longer than 3-4 days.
Together with the extract, I recommend the roller applicator of lavender 
extract. This little great device is applied to the forehead and sides of 
the head and it really works. It can be purchased in any health food store.

Regards
Frank
- Original Message - 
From: deborah byron laqueren...@cox-internet.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2005 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: CSaspirin vs. white willow bark


Nenah and Christine, thanks for your replys.  The link someone posted 
earlier on aspirin's benefits against strokes spurred me to ask about 
white willow bark since my 80 year old mother has taken a baby aspirin a 
day for some years, quite successfully it appears.  Heart disease/stroke 
is a miasm in family that i'm trying to find creative, holistic ways to 
deal with.  aspirin as i understand it, thins the blood in a preventative 
way (now must type one handed due to a cat that wants to be held) and so 
i'm wondering about using the botanical instead with questions about the 
proper minimal dose.


any further ideas appreciated,
deborah


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Re: CSALA / Fat Reduction

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Dan,
Forgive me for asking but in the trade we use ALA as an acronym for Alpha 
Linoleic Acid.

You are talking about Alpha Lipoic Acid.
Te only European study I know used a 0.5% w/w dosage which in a 150 pound 
human would be equivalent to 340 grams and your contact is talking about 
just over one gram. Is there a different study?
The one I know claims that Lipoic acid supresses AMP- activated protein 
kinase. Is that the one?
I routinely use Lipoic up to 1500 mg a day on hypoglycemics to stabilize 
their insulin levels and obtain great clinical results but little in the way 
of weight loss.

Any further thoughts?
Regards

FCR
- Original Message - 
From: Dan Nave dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 8:40 AM
Subject: CSALA / Fat Reduction



I just got a mailing from a Paul Oberdorf who advocates alternative
methods of healing and sells stuff for colon cleansing, Colloidal
Silver, etc.

He says that he has come up with a method, based on some European
research with overweight mice, which causes one to loose weight by
taking an antioxidant supplement.

Basically, one takes ALA (alpha lipoic acid) capsules three times a
day, after eating.  It's that simple.  The dose is one pill of 375mg
after each meal for a total of 1125mg per day.  He also states that the
375 is all useable ALA so getting a manufactured product may have a
lower amount of useable ALA.

The mechanism is not entirely understood, but apparently involves a
suppression of an enzyme that makes one hungry and also the effect of
ALA directly on the liver where it increases bile flow.  ALA is also
supposed to be a heavy metal chelator.  It also is supposed to affect
the use of fat in the body as energy, I'm not sure how.

He has tried it on himself and several others who have given
testimonials, they are seeing the effects by 2 to 3 weeks.  It seems to
suppress food cravings, normalize appetite, and burn off fat deposits on
the body.

I don't know if anyone with mercury or lead toxicity would suffer any
ill effects by using ALA in this fashion but that may be a concern for
some.

I know that I took ALA and had good results with improving
liver/gallbladder function.  I took 100mg every 4 hours for several days
and then some time off in between courses.

Comments?

Dan



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Re: CSALA / Fat Reduction

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Hi Ken Thx for the info. Where did you learn about the dose of 1% diet 
replacement? That would be a far cry from the European mice experiemnt!

Thx
Frank Cuns-Rial
- Original Message - 
From: Ken  Nancy Bagwell kenancy2...@yahoo.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 11:58 AM
Subject: Re: CSALA / Fat Reduction



He's probably talking about this:

http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/tech/200406/kt2004061415162011820.htm

If I remember correctly, the mice had 1% of their diet
replaced by the ALA.

-Ken Bagwell


--- Dan Nave dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com wrote:


I just got a mailing from a Paul Oberdorf who
advocates alternative
methods of healing and sells stuff for colon
cleansing, Colloidal
Silver, etc.

He says that he has come up with a method, based on
some European
research with overweight mice, which causes one to
loose weight by
taking an antioxidant supplement.

Basically, one takes ALA (alpha lipoic acid)
capsules three times a
day, after eating.  It's that simple.  The dose is
one pill of 375mg
after each meal for a total of 1125mg per day.  He
also states that the
375 is all useable ALA so getting a manufactured
product may have a
lower amount of useable ALA.

The mechanism is not entirely understood, but
apparently involves a
suppression of an enzyme that makes one hungry and
also the effect of
ALA directly on the liver where it increases bile
flow.  ALA is also
supposed to be a heavy metal chelator.  It also is
supposed to affect
the use of fat in the body as energy, I'm not sure
how.

He has tried it on himself and several others who
have given
testimonials, they are seeing the effects by 2 to 3
weeks.  It seems to
suppress food cravings, normalize appetite, and burn
off fat deposits on
the body.

I don't know if anyone with mercury or lead toxicity
would suffer any
ill effects by using ALA in this fashion but that
may be a concern for
some.

I know that I took ALA and had good results with
improving
liver/gallbladder function.  I took 100mg every 4
hours for several days
and then some time off in between courses.

Comments?

Dan



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Re: CSaspirin, uric acid kidney stones in feet,silver protein

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Betsy, My one cent
I suspect that as silver(whether atomic or ionic ) makes its way into the 
stomach, it'll be reduced to silver chloride.
It would be a different story when it is absorbed directly into the blood 
stream.
I would also suspect that silver proteinates are too large to enter easily 
via the mucosa and thus colloidal would hold an advantage there.
Most minerals find carrier proteins to ferry them along to the cells and as 
such and thus the principle is sound. Obviously the protein and the silver 
are brought apart by the acid and enzymes in the stomach.
So it looks like just another way of getting silver into the body and I 
don't see any benefit (other than eliminating the much FDA sought after 
colloidal bad silver termSilver proteinate sounds different, doesn't 
it?

Regards
Frank
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From: Betsy Coffey latimergi...@yahoo.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 4:07 PM
Subject: CSaspirin, uric acid kidney stones in feet,silver protein



I have recently been reading cautions about taking
aspirin for stroke prevention and then abruptly
halting its usage. Apparently it can cause strokes if
you stop using it. More research is being done on
this. People usually stop using it before dental
surgeries or any surgeries two weeks prior to surgery.
Some natural blood thinners would be digestive
enzymes,fish oil and garlic. I dont know if the same
would hold true with storkes if you stopped using
these products.
The person who has kidney stones in feet, might want
to research uric acid. I have read where cherry juice
(natural of course) is good for this condition. I have
not used it myself thou.
Last but not least, I had a question regarding silver
protein. I have asked this before but have never
recieved an answer. Proponents of silver protein claim
that it is safe due to the the fact that it is silver
atoms which avoid large clumping of silver as opposed
to silver ions. There has been much controversy about
this matter . Those that advocate silver proteins
usage also state that silver protien is better at
curing infections than ionic silver. Lots of people
seem to use silver protein with no problems. I would
really appreciate hearing from someone on this matter
as I notice that more companies are including silver
protein in their anti infective supplement department

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Re: CSCS Re Aspirin

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Harold, The  quotes are from 1995-1999 stats. 
The big push to take the baby aspirin nonsense begun just about then.
I bet you 45,000 is closer to today's true numbers than 40,000.
Regards
Frank Cuns-Rial

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  From: Harold MacDonald 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 4:38 PM
  Subject: CSCS Re Aspirin


  Nenah;
  This info came from these references;
  [1] Wolfe M.M.Gastrointestinal toxicity of nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory 
drugs.
 N.Engl J med 340[24]:1888,1999.De Roos F.J.Hoffman R.S.,Palleschi 
G.T.,Noble A.,MacDonald A.,MoralesJ,M.,Fenichel R.R.,Lee W.M.,
  [ II] Vale J.A.,proudfoot,A.T.,Paracatemol[Acetaminophen]poisoning Lancet 
1995;346:547-52
  NOTE: a correction:
  Over the counter NSAIDS,including ASA[Acetylslicylic acid or aspirin and 
other pain killers,account for 40,000 deaths each year.
  My first figure of 45,000 was wrong ,my apologies.
  Harold 


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Re: CSDamaging silver

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Frank Key,
I used the verb tarnish as defined by Webster's  to dull the luster of , 
as a metallic surface by oxidation
While it is true that in certain trades tarnish is used in a more narrow 
sense, I prefer to use it as the result of a chemical attack of the surface 
of a metal resulting in a dulling of the luster.

Thx
Frank Cuns-Rial, Chemist
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Sent: Monday, August 22, 2005 8:53 AM
Subject: RE: CSDamaging silver



Frank Cuns-Rial wrote:



...Silver will react readily only with strong compounds such as oxygen

(tarnish)...

Silver oxide is not tarnish. When silver tarnishes, it combines with 
sulfur

and forms silver sulfide. Silver sulfide is black.


Frank Key
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Re: CSDamaging silver

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

List,
For the shake of accuracy we should clarify that there is a difference 
between a mineral and a metal.
In nature, pure metals react with, i.e. acids to form minerals such as i.e. 
Copper sulfate, Silver chloride, or Potassium nitrate. These are minerals.
Non- reactive metals such as gold and platinum and to a lesser degree 
silver, do not react readily and can be found in its free state as metals.
Silver will react readily only with strong compounds such as oxygen 
(tarnish), and strong acids acids such as Nitric or Hydrochloric.
Silver does not react readily with other less ionized or agressive compounds 
and for that reason is considered a noble metal.
The mineral contains (other than impurities), a cationic side or metallic 
side and an anionic side or acid, etc

When minerals are stripped of the anionic portion, you obtain the metal.
When a  mineral of this kind is placed in a solution, and in the presence of 
two poles of DC current, each portion will migrate to a different pole. The 
cation or metallic portion, charged positively, will migrate toward the 
negatively charged pole, and the anionic or non-metal portion, charged 
negatively, will migrate to the positive pole. The pole attracting the 
cations is called the cathode and the pole attracting the anions is called 
the anode.

Many ultra pure-metals are refined using this electrolitic principle
Sucessive purification steps will lead to an ultra pure silver metal, such 
as 99.999% or better.
This kind of ultra-pure silver still contains 10 ppm of impurities! Keep 
this in mind when trying to ascertain where colors, cloudiness and other 
precipitates come from!

Thx
Frank Cuns-Rial
Original Message - 
From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, August 21, 2005 5:10 PM
Subject: CSDamaging silver



Carolyn said,
What damages CS? I have been told that air and
sunlight will damage CS. Is there anything else? What
about heat? Like boiling it for coffee,etc. And also
how does it damage it, like killing off the silver?

Carolyn, silver is just a mineral, it cannot be
killed. Neither air nor sunlight nor heat nor cold
*damages* silver. With the low-voltage CS that most
folks on this list make, direct exposure to sunlight
or freezing CS can make *some* of the silver particles
fall out of the water and sink to the bottom (at least
after it thaws), but that doesn't *damage* it, nor
make it unusable nor dangerous. When high voltage is
used to make it, neither sunlight nor freezing have
any affect on it. I make coffee with CS everyday. I
cook freely with it, freeze it in ice cubes and juice
popsickles and otherwise use it just like water.

You do not need to be careful with CS, as long as it
is clear-colored and made only with distilled water
and pure silver. Even using mineral water only means
that the CS won't usually be clear. Yes, we discuss
avoiding making silver-compounds (using water with
other minerals in it), but that's because we are
purists. Missionaries in 3rd-world countries are
making it with water from places like the Ganges river
(very polluted), and no one has turned blue yet. In
fact, they make CS in their water in order to sanitize
it.

I had a client once for whom I assembled a small
CS-maker to help him with his health problems -
Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, gastro-intestinal issues,
etc. He set it up with 8 oz of tap water (in spite of
my instructions) and went to bed and forgot about it.
The next morning, one of the silver wires was
completely dissolved, and the CS looked like dark
brown coffee. He drank the whole 8 oz all at once (put
the equivalent of 5 of silver wire into himself). He
had a rush of energy like he said he hadn't had in
years, and his gastro-intestinal problems (cramps with
every meal, extreme constipation) went away that day.

Now I wouldn't suggest anyone do that every day, but
this stuff is so safe, folks!

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CSEFT files

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Terry Chamberlin wrote:

Yes, it is me, Terry Chamberlin, who will send the EFT
files to whomever wants them. They come in the form of
an attachment that is a zip compressed file. No, you
wouldn't be able to get it on a library or school
computer. You could if you downloaded it onto a floppy
drive (if they let you), but the file is too big to
fit on a floppy disk.

Ruth, you need to dowload this file onto a friends
computer, if possible. Ask the school/library if you
can download a file attachment onto a floppy. If they
say yes, I can send you a smaller file that will fit,
but then you would need to take it to a computer where
you are allowed to view it.
Terry Could you cpy methanks...@atlanticbb.net

Re: CSMercuey detox/Cilantro

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

List, Cilantro for th removal of mercury from the brain should never be used 
alone. Chorella and Wild Bear Garlic are to be used in conjunction to avoid 
redeposition in other tissues. One needs to be sure that the organs of 
elimination are working well to assure removal.
FCR
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  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2005 4:12 AM
  Subject: CSMercuey detox/Cilantro


  In a message dated 8/11/2005 12:47:14 AM Mountain Daylight Time, 
silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com writes:
Also, I read that the cilantro helps move mercury away
from the brain into less problematic tissues, but not
that it really removed mercury from the body
altogether.  And to add, you had to take a lot of
cilantro.  Most children would probably never do that.
I'd read this on some site about a year ago by the
person who initially espoused this. Sorry, I don't
have the site.

-Ken
  If you get cilantro tincture and rub it on the wrists it will go into the 
blood stream and do its work. You must take chorella with cilantro. When the 
mercury is dumped into the gut it will be reabsorbed unless chorella is there 
to carry it out. Search Dr Klinghardt.

  http://www.luminet.net/~wenonah/new/9steps.htm


  http://www.neuraltherapy.com/a_mercury_detox.asp


  http://www.kitchendoctor.com/articles/cilantro.html

  Hope these are helpful.
  Barbara

Re: CSAnyone know this guy?

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Guys, who is that guy?
Kevin Trudeau is a TV personality of dubious motives but with one 
characteristic. He has guts! 
He is denouncing  the FDA and the FTC tactics to a point never seen or heard 
before in public. 
The corruption of the Pharma-AMA establishment is whispered in our circles but 
he has the fortitude to say aloud and making a dent in the apathetic attitude 
of the American masses.
For that alone he deserves my gratitude if not my respect.
FCR  
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  From: marmar...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, August 08, 2005 1:25 PM
  Subject: Re: CSAnyone know this guy?


  In a message dated 8/8/05 1:05:45 PM Central Daylight Time, 
epa...@sympatico.ca writes:



However, the book does explain what is happening regarding the drug 
industry, medical industry and the food industry in America today.


  Hm!!   Well, we already know about that, don't we?  MA 

Re: CSAcid Reflux

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

List, Acid reflux can be caused by too little or too much acid. It is 
important to know which of these two conditions is causing the reflux.
If atfer a meal you take 100 ml lemon juice (1:1 water) and find relief, you 
have low stomach acidity. If it worsens you have acidity.
Most of the time, lack of acid is caused by not ingesting chloride salts, 
the anion needed to form hydrochloric acid and/or lack of H ions. Salting 
the food lightly with table salt corrects the problem. Eating more seafood, 
sea vegetables and shellfish will do the same naturally.
Most older people, although they experience reflux, lack acidity. The 
inmediate solution is to take Betaine Hydrochloride, while investigating the 
reasons for the deficit.

FCR
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From: Paula Perry p...@zoomnet.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 5:25 AM
Subject: CSAcid Reflux



Marlys,
I just wanted to comment about the acid reflux. I have been studying the
works of Bernard Jenson and found a great thing that works every time for
me. It is so simple, easy, and works like a charm! For anyone experiencing
the acid reflux,- eat celery! Yes, keep celery on hand and eat some and 
you
will be relieved right away! Celery is very high in sodium which will 
bring

your chemistry back to normal very quickly. Do not confuse this with table
salt sodium which is actually a poison form of sodium according to Jenson.
Another thing that you can do is take a spoon full of liquid calcium which
also works, but not quite as well in my opinion.
Paula



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From: patriot2...@mindspring.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 10, 2005 3:17 AM
Subject: CS Asthma and EFT


I can't speak for asthma, but I have had great results using the 
technique

to conquer a chronic gastric reflux problem.  I tried lots of things
through the years, but  with only limited benefits for most of
them.  Primal Defense (from Garden of Life) gave the best results, but I
needed to take it virtually every day, and even then, there were some
occasional meals or a stressful incident that sent me hunting for some
antacid tablets to deal with a temporary attack.

I began to try EFT after learning about it in order to help a grandchild
with a severe problem with social anxiety.   (There was an immediate
remarkable 'turnaround' in her which alone makes the technique worth its
weight in diamonds to me.)   But...about the gastric reflux.  I began
tapping for that.  Within a few days -- a week at most -- I realized that
the heartburn was not bothering me at all anymore.  That was several 
weeks

ago -- perhaps a month -- and I have not had reflux since.  I now take a
probiotic pearl from Dr. Williams (Alternatives) when I remember to do 
so,

just because I feel we need that extra help to normalize our digestive
tracts.   If I overindulge in a favorite food and begin to get a little
twinge reminiscent of the reflux, I simply chew a piece of gum for a

little
while, and that's all.  What a huge relief.  I had it so bad that my 
voice

was going hoarse, and I coughed every time it occurred, unable to control
it.   All these years, I was unwilling to use the meds the doctor wanted

me

to try.  I sure wish I had tried EFT  when I first read about it, several
years ago!

Marlys



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Re: CSOT. Beta glucan

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Biopolymer Engineering is the largest supplier of1-3, 1-6 Glucans in US, 
They purchased all the patents from the Japanese and they have the best 
technology I know in the production of BG.


Regards
Frank Cuns-Rial
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, August 04, 2005 12:41 AM
Subject: Re: CSOT. Beta glucan



Roger Barker wrote:


Can anyone point me in the direction of a supplier of Beta Glucan powder?


Google   beta glucan   ora. j. lanigan
Wayne Laurents


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Re: CSMagnetized Water

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

List,
Magnetized water and changes in pH? I don't think so. To change the pH one 
needs to shift the ratio of ionic oxygen to ionic Hydroxil ( O and OH) 
relative to the amount of non-ionized water H2O. This is a chemical or 
eletrochemical reaction and requires a certain amount of energy to happen. 
Magnetism may disrup the molecular shape, may even arrange it but I don't 
believe it can break up the strong chemicals bonds to disassociate a water 
molecule.

This is traditional knowledge. But, who knows?
I didn't believe in cold fussion and there seems to be scientific evidence 
to prove it does exist.

Frank
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From: SJY youngst...@konnections.net

To: Silver List silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2005 10:21 PM
Subject: CSMagnetized Water



Folks,

I built a so-called water magnetizer and did some experiments.  I used two
very strong magnetron magnets (from microwave ovens).  The North poles 
were
facing each other on oposite side of a plastic bottle about 3 inches 
thick.

I added room temperature filtered tap water and let it sit in the magnetic
field overnight.  I sloshed the water around a few times while it was 
being

magnetized.

Using two different ranges of pH paper, I measured the before and after pH
of the water.  Out of the tap it measured a bit below 7.  The 
disappointing
thing was that the after Magnetizing the water measured exactly the 
same -

there was no change in pH.

So, either my experimental technique is wrong, or the concept of
magnetized water is a bunch of hooey.  I am thinking the latter, but
welcome your comments.

I will make one more run with N  S poles facing each other to see if 
makes

any difference.

As an aside, I have proven for myself that passing a DC current (10-12 ma)
through plain tap water does result in a change in pH.  I used two plastic
containers with holes in each container with a porous membrane (artificial
chamois) clamped between the holes.  After an overnight run, the two
containers that started with water with a pH of about 7 ended up about 8
(slightly alkaline) and 6 (slightly acid).  However, after half an hour or
so, both containers reverted back to being about 7 again.

So, list members, what are the safe, economical ways to make stable 
alkaline

water?

Steve Y.




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Re: CSHELP!!!!!

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

TJ
Read about CHANCA PIEDRA a Brazilian remedy It works well. You'll be able to 
get in the Net. Keep in mind that the conditions that forces your kidneys to 
make stones will still be present unless you make changes in your diet and 
life-style.

Regards Frank
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From: T J Garland noblemet...@bellsouth.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Wednesday, July 13, 2005 6:59 PM
Subject: CSHELP!



Iam trying to pass kidney stones. Irefuse to see a doctor or ER room. I am
using Adele Davis/R. Shulze/ Wallace emergency protocols. Does anyone have
any advice?  Two major attacks in last 48 hours.  TJ


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Re: CSCAFTA and other health alerts

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Paula, 
The representatives to get in touch with are those who pushed DSHEA such as Roy 
Blunt of Mo.
Frank
  - Original Message - 
  From: Paula Perry 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, July 12, 2005 7:18 AM
  Subject: CSCAFTA and other health alerts


  To everyone contacting their Congressman,- a big thanks. Some of us our not 
getting the response we would like but, on the other hand, information is 
power. We will know better who NOT to vote for in future elections, and who out 
there is actually representing the American people. 

  I was watching C-Span yesterday. CAFTA didn't come up for a vote because they 
didn't have the votes they needed to pass it. I did hear that it is promised to 
come up before the month is up. This means that there will be more arm twisting 
to get representatives to sign on to the agreement, so we need to keep the 
pressure up. The Republican leaders have the power to decide what comes up on 
the floor for a vote. When things get delayed it means they don't yet have the 
votes in the bag.

  One of the best sites I have found that gives people essential information 
regarding major health alerts, including CAFTA and CODEX is 
www.healthliesexposed , I highly recommend this site. You can sign up for a 
weekly news letter that really keeps you informed. I have no ties to this site, 
other than just being an ordinary reader. It is an outstanding source of 
information that you need now a days to protect your health. 

  Paula


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Re: CS

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Paula Perry wrote:
http://PlayAudio-123.com/play.asp?m=195411f=XBIQOVps=7p=1

I have writen Mr. Bolen asking him to detail the legislative or other path 
that can be taken to disband our rights under DSHEA if any international 
treaty regarding supplements is signed by the US. I have asked others in the 
past and received emotional appeals and conspirational theories but nothing 
else. Once I receive  a rational explanation I'll make up my mind.
I worked very hard in Mass. to organize the petition drive and was able to 
submit thousands of letters to our legislators in support of DSHEA.
I remember when Pharma wanted to amend DSHEA to shift the burden of proof to 
the industry and when just recently Durbin/Clinton/Kennedy wanted to amend 
it  by adding an adverse effect tracking clause and make the industry 
responsible for such tracking. The number of letters and emails in both 
cases was so huge that they quickly realized the kind of support this 
freedom enjoys in this country and they withdrew. They are the enemy within 
and they are the ones we must control, because we can.
We must redirect our efforts to be extremely vigilant about our legislators 
actions and weigh on them constantly and vigorously.

If anyone knows better please let me hear from you.
I ask for the forbereance of our moderator in ths issue. Is of such 
importance to aim the fire to the right enemy!

Thx
Frank Cuns-Rial
- Original Message - 
From: Paula Perry p...@zoomnet.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 5:03 AM
Subject: CS



This is the latest information I have recieved regarding CAFTA and Codex.
Read about Sec 3 and Sec 6 contained within CAFTA if you think Codex won't
affect us here in America.
Paula

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To: p...@zoomnet.net
Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2005 7:37 PM
Subject: Talking Points We _CAN KILL CAFTA  STOP CODEX FROM COMING
HERE!!_



IAHF Webmaster: Codex Emergency, USA, What to Do:

IAHF List:

Please click on this link and listen to the audio announcement I just

recorded Click This Link To Play

http://PlayAudio-123.com/play.asp?m=195411f=XBIQOVps=7p=1

If you don't have speakers, not to worry- here was the gist of my 
message:


CAFTA is in political trouble in the House. The Hispanic Caucus recently

came out against it, saying that its bad for central America AND for the
USA. Its pretty hard for Bush to do spin against the stats from the FAILED
NAFTA Agreement- our trade deficit is up to $617 Billion, but beyond that,
the jobs that initially went do Mexico have since all gone to even CHEAPER
sources of third world labor in China, and elsewhere- and the same thing
would happen in Central America.


The Washington Post is calling this too close to call and says CAFTA

could come down to ONE SINGLE VOTE in the House. So our calls and emails
actually MATTER, and it REALLY helps when we get face to face meetings as 
I

did yesterday and as some of you have also been getting with your
congressmen. Tomorrow would be your last chance to meet with them in 
person

before they return, and you should make the effort. In any case, please DO
take the ACTION recommended below:


On the HEALTH FREEDOM/ CAFTA FRONT:

Yesterday I drove down to Bellingham WA and attended a Town Mtg run by my
congressman, Rick Larsen. He already opposes CAFTA, but I'm hoping he 
might
make a floor statement against it on the House floor which airs our 
concerns

as dietary supplement consumers given the danger posed by the SPS language
lurking within it.


All its going to take is one or more Congressmen to air our concern from

the House floor to put them ALL on notice that if they vote for CAFTA
they'll be touching the THIRD RAIL and committing political SUICIDE by
angering millions of vitamin consumers who wield huge impact at the ballot
box.


I told Larsen we were working hard to interest congressmen De Fazio and

Paul to issue a Dear Colleague letter and to make floor statements to
insure that members of the House realize that millions of vitamin 
consumers

who flooded congress in '94 during the campaign to pass DSHEA will not
tolerate CAFTA or anyone who votes for it.


I made him aware that Section 6 of CAFTA would require the USA to form a

Sanitary Phytosanitary Measures Committee for the purpose of insuring that
we entered into a constant process of harmonizing our laws under the terms
of the SPS Agreement in the WTO.


I told him that Article 3 of the WTO's SPS Agreement requires us to

harmonize our food safety laws (read DSHEA) to Codex standards. It states
To harmonize sanitary and phytosanitary measures on as wide a basis as
possible, Members SHALL base their food safety measures on international
standards, guidelines or recommendations.  (Codex sets the standards for
food safety, including vitamins and minerals.)


I handed him information that I'd previously sent to his aide and

concluded by brief conversation after this Town Meeting

Re: CSNATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION - CAFTA Press Release

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Sen Feinstein should worry about the 100,000 plus deaths caused each year by 
the side effects of lawful and correctly prescribed medications. It is 
hypocresy to the nth degree!
Frank
  - Original Message - 
  From: Raine 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 12:39 PM
  Subject: Re: CSNATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION - CAFTA Press Release


  Below is the response I got from my Senator. Not very heartening.


Dear Mrs. :

   Thank you for writing to express your concerns regarding the 
Codex Alimentarius legislation proposed under the World Trade 
Organization (WTO).  I appreciate the time you took to write. 

I understand your serious concern regarding this issue. As you 
know, the WTO is an international body which addresses the rules of 
trade between countries.  At its heart are the WTO agreements, 
negotiated and signed by the bulk of the world's trading nations, which 
provide the legal ground-rules for international commerce.  They are 
essentially contracts, binding governments to keep their trade policies 
within agreed limits. 

   The availability of dietary supplements to the public is 
important, but it is equally important that these supplements do not put 
the consumer's health at stake.  I believe that if we are to ensure the 
safety of those who consume dietary supplements, we must make sure 
that these supplements are not hazardous to their health.  We cannot 
allow deaths, such as those caused by the dietary supplement Ephedra, to 
continue.   Please know that I will continue to monitor the work of the 
WTO and be sure to keep your thoughts in mind as I do so.

Again, thank you for writing.  I hope that you will continue to 
keep me informed of your views and concerns.  If you should have 
further questions regarding this or any other issue, please do not hesitate 
to contact my Washington, D.C office at (202) 224-3841, or visit my 
website at http://feinstein.senate.gov. 

   



Sincerely yours,

Dianne Feinstein
United States Senator

http://feinstein.senate.gov

  Paula Perry wrote: 
This article explains the whole situation we are facing regarding CAFTA and 
CODEX. I am sending it because we all need to act quickly. CAFTA is in trouble. 
There is a slim chance it will not pass. 
Paula

 http://www.thenhf.com/newsflash_49.htm

Re: CSNATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION - CAFTA Press Release

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Incidentally, a judge has reversed the FDA ban on Ephedra and is again 
available. 
Regards
Frank
  - Original Message - 
  From: Ed Kasper 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 6:03 PM
  Subject: RE: CSNATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION - CAFTA Press Release


  I believe it is important to note here that she points out specifically to 
the few deaths caused by dietary supplement Ephedra, to 
  continue  as the rationale to protect the people . Specifically in this case 
ephedra was a concentrated isolated standardized form of a common herb. This 
phyto--Pharmacia was used and promoted in a way in which the herb  by itself 
would never be used for. Herbalist have  always cautioned in its use and was 
not for long term use.  IN EFFECT  this  phyto--Pharmacia ephedra was 
responsible for killing and injuring people and while the simple whole herb, 
ephedra - got the blame. How could anyone make such a simple mistake? . Just as 
if one took the simple herb foxglove isolated, concentrated and standardized it 
into DIGITALIS it would be a drug and it as all drugs would kill people.   Or 
where making a simple tea from the simple herb St John's Wort  be as effective 
as the Anti-depressive drugs (and without side affects)  yet when St John's 
Wort was concentrated isolated and standardized blamed on liver failure. YET 
there are no reported cases of the herb ma huang (ephedra)  or the herb St 
John's Wort being associated with death or even injury !!!

  Where both Ma Huang and St John's Wort  grow wild and may be made as a simple 
tea that offers relief quickly and affective  it does take certain degree of 
expertise and expensive equipment to produce a concentrated, standardized  
isolation of  a single ingredient. Then to market and promote such a product 
without  any concerns of known reactions. ... .who would profit from such 
madness ...

  Ephedra - which was sold and marketed in Health Food Stores across the USA as 
a isolated, standardized concentrated extract was specifically promoted and 
marketed as a street drug. All those involved in this action knew it was speed. 
They also knew speed helped reduce the appetite (lose weight) and gave one lots 
of energy. It was also aimed at kids and ALL those involved in this knowingly 
were selling drugs.  BTW, you can still LEGALLY BUY Ephedra at your local 
__drugstore__. Its over the counter (no prescription needed) Sudafed (and a few 
other brand names)

  Thank God,  the PRESS and the Government protect the people...

  Ed Kasper LAc. Licensed Acupuncturist  Herbalist
  Acupuncture is a jab well done
  www.HappyHerbalist.com   Santa Cruz, CA. 



   -Original Message-
  From: FRANK CUNS-RIAL [mailto:f...@atlanticbb.net]
  Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 12:37 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSNATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION - CAFTA Press Release


Sen Feinstein should worry about the 100,000 plus deaths caused each year 
by the side effects of lawful and correctly prescribed medications. It is 
hypocresy to the nth degree!
Frank
  - Original Message - 
  From: Raine 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, July 08, 2005 12:39 PM
  Subject: Re: CSNATIONAL HEALTH FEDERATION - CAFTA Press Release


  Below is the response I got from my Senator. Not very heartening.


Dear Mrs. :

   Thank you for writing to express your concerns regarding the 
Codex Alimentarius legislation proposed under the World Trade 
Organization (WTO).  I appreciate the time you took to write. 

I understand your serious concern regarding this issue. As you 
know, the WTO is an international body which addresses the rules of 
trade between countries.  At its heart are the WTO agreements, 
negotiated and signed by the bulk of the world's trading nations, which 
provide the legal ground-rules for international commerce.  They are 
essentially contracts, binding governments to keep their trade policies 
within agreed limits. 

   The availability of dietary supplements to the public is 
important, but it is equally important that these supplements do not put 
the consumer's health at stake.  I believe that if we are to ensure the 
safety of those who consume dietary supplements, we must make sure 
that these supplements are not hazardous to their health.  We cannot 
allow deaths, such as those caused by the dietary supplement Ephedra, to 
continue.   Please know that I will continue to monitor the work of the 
WTO and be sure to keep your thoughts in mind as I do so.

Again, thank you for writing.  I hope that you will continue to 
keep me informed of your views and concerns.  If you should have 
further questions regarding this or any other issue, please do not hesitate 
to contact my Washington, D.C office at (202) 224-3841, or visit my 
website at http://feinstein.senate.gov. 

   



Sincerely yours

Re: CSCODEX in Rome

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Nenah,
Nothing further from my mind that argue a pointless issue but I need to 
remind you that the same type of sentiment was running when we signed into 
WTO.

I remember  the chinese are going to tell us what to do.. and so on.
Nenah, I have been in the supplelement business for ten years (ex-chemist in 
my previous corporate career), I belong to their associations, know most of 
the principals, meet with them at seminars, conferences, etc, consult for 
some and nobody is attaching any significance to the Codex or Cafta as a 
threat to our domestic liberties.
I did call Mel Martinez's office (senator) and asked once again what would 
the effect be and the legal advisor expressed a similar view. These treaties 
are to regulate our traffic to them not to control our internal affairs. 
Only Congress can act to rescind or modify DSHEA.
I make my living formulating, consulting and selling supplements and I am 
not concerned by Codex. Europeans are under the authority of  Codex and they 
deserve it because for many years they have been scolding us for our liberal 
approach to supplements and giving us the same falacious argument as the 
dieticians in this country use, namely that   a balanced diet supplies the 
necessary nutrients,,,
Keep also in mind that in Germany, England and France the Homeopathic 
medicine is going to boom.
Rath thought to gain reverse momentum to affect Rome's meeting by 
capitalizing on our freedoms. Unfortunatelly it did not work.
I must say that some countries such as Indonesia, Philipines, etc are 
presently using much tighter rules than Codex and thus they represent an 
opportunity for more imports from US.
What will do our industry in,  is the enemy within Many schools of 
Naturpopathy are no more than alopathics using natural remedies. They 
believe in remedying, rather than curing. They use herbals not to cure but 
to manage disease. Is a trade off of synthetics for natural compounds but 
the underlying healing philosophy is much different from that of the 
tradicional naturistic physicians.
Be aware of schools emerging all over offering two years of weekend training 
for MD allopaths to get a degree in naturopathy.
The NIH has a definite agenda to destroy us by accepting to run studies 
(double-blinds, placebo controlled, multicenter, etc.) on specific 
supplements against specific diseases. Those who submit to that approach are 
totally unaware of biochemical individuality and pretend to gain the seal of 
approval of the NHI for commercial purposes. Many fail and they blame the 
establishment. Fools. They are the ones who make money peddling compounds 
but they have no idea about their physiological dynamics.
These are the folks that are doing us in together with the  the FDA-AMA-FTC 
cartel and our fury and discust should be primarily directed against them.

But then, that is just my opinion
PS I'll never feel shouted at by you.
Friendly

Frank Cuns-Rial.. - Original Message - 
From: Nenah Sylver ne...@bestweb.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 1:05 PM
Subject: Re: CSCODEX in Rome




- Original Message - 
From: FRANK CUNS-RIAL f...@atlanticbb.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 1:26 PM
Subject: Re: CSCODEX in Rome


My understanding about any international treaty having to do with Codex 
is that our supplements exported to the subscribing countries will have 
to meet their standards, but domestic USA production for domestic use 
will not be afected.


NO NO NO! This is not true. If CAFTA (another treaty) is signed, 
this will be the final nail in the coffin. The US will be bound to accept 
the INTERNATIONAL STANDARD rather than its own laws. International 
standards will SUPERSEDE our own sovereignty.


This is why CODEX is so insidious.

Frank, I don't mean to shout at you, I'm just trying to correct 
misinformation. There have been plenty of plants out there trying to 
mislead us into complacency.


Another highly insidious front is known as Weiling refering to Andrew 
Weil, the opportunistic MD who is trying to absorb the nutritional 
industry into the medical world.


I once received a few sample newsletters from Weil and found them full of 
misinformation.


Nenah


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Re: CSsilver to whiten teeth?

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Hi angel nest,
The conversion formula is correct. I think you need to investigate the degree 
of cellular absorption of silver. 
Regards
Frank 
  - Original Message - 
  From: angel nest 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 06, 2005 6:42 AM
  Subject: CSsilver to whiten teeth?


  hello guys,

  i think i'm going to order the ionic white teeth whitening system, as soon as 
i get some more info from the vendor...

  but in reading about it, this caught my eye and i thought it was odd and 
wonder if it makes sense to any of y'all ?
  What is Ionic about Ionic white? 

  The gel contains silver ions which activate when exposed to the harmless blue 
led light. The silver ions cause the active bleaching 

  

  how could silver ions have any whitening effect combined with any kind of 
light?



  what do you think?



  angel

Re: CSCODEX in Rome

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

My understanding about any international treaty having to do with Codex is 
that our supplements exported to the subscribing countries will have to meet 
their standards, but domestic USA production for domestic use will not be 
afected.
A different scenario is that of pharmas buying into the Nutraceutical 
industry. This has been going on for a while. Health From the Sun, a fine 
fatty-acid producer has been purchased by Arko-Pharma and Solgar a solid 
producer of synthetic vitamins has been also bought by another pharma co.and 
now, I hear, is being offered for sale again.
I have good contacts with manufacturers like Jarrow, Nutrceuticasl, Solaray, 
Biotics, Apex, amonsgt many, many others who will remain faithful to the 
supplement industry until the offers will get high enough. That is not what 
they are saying but everyone has a price.
I have felt for the longest time that the only ultimate solution s to form a 
manufacturing cooperative large enough to justify the expense and controlled 
by the members.
However, the FDA is now in the process of reviewing the Good Manufactring 
Practices for Dietary supplement manufacturers. They are a lot tougher than 
those applied to the food industry and very close to the pharmaceutical 
standards. Many smaller firms will collapse under the weight of the 
regulation and paperwork.
I work with a small manufaturer in Miami, NNFA approved (industry's own 
approval) He has been making products for me for the last 10 years but he 
fears he is not going to survive the upcoming GMP.


Another highly insidious front is known as Weiling refering to Andrew 
Weil, the opportunistic MD who is trying to absorb the nutritional industry 
into the medical world.

Regards
Frank Cuns-Rial
- Original Message - 
From: Nenah Sylver ne...@bestweb.net

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 11:35 AM
Subject: Re: CSCODEX in Rome




- Original Message - 
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: CSCODEX in Rome



I don't agree. They have bought into to it to limit their losses. But they
would much rather sell $500 in prescription medicine at a 5,000% markup, 
then

$10 in supplements with a 50% markup.  That way they $490.00 instead of
$5.00.

Marshall



Marshall,
I hope your reasoned response is correct. However, my understanding is 
that supplements will now undergo an incredible markup even higher than 
their cost now.


I am actively investigating alternatives to most (if not all) supplements, 
since I don't want to support the pharmaceutical companies or doctors.


Please everyone, if you haven't faxed a letter to your congressperson, 
please do so.


Nenah




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Re: CSA source of free magnets

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Excellent idea. Thanks for sharing the free magnet idea Terry
Frank
- Original Message - 
From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 4:19 PM
Subject: CSA source of free magnets



Whenever I can, I disassemble old, dead microwave
ovens. They contain round, donut-shaped magnets about
2-1/4 - 2-3/4 across. VERY STRONG. I place a jar of
water on top of one of these and the water has a
different consistency.

Terry

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Re: CS

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Hi angelnest.
Your calculations are correct.
I do not know about the accuracy of the thresholds used in Europe. 
I personally think that 8 oz a day of 20 ppm CS for a lifetime is an absurd 
requirement. You might need to take 8 oz a day for a few days to deal with a 
critical condition, but a lifetime..?
I take one ounce of 5 ppm a day divided in several doses, when I need it. 
I do not know of any therapeutic preventive value of CS but if so I would never 
take 8 oz a day.
Regards
Frank
  - Original Message - 
  From: angel nest 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 9:50 PM
  Subject: CS


  But Frank...  I think I might be in trouble

  What about this statement in one of Michael's emails...
  The US-EPA publishes an oral reference dose (RfD) that
  is based on a threshold for certain toxic effects such
  as cellular necrosis. In units of micrograms per kg
  per day and is an estimate of the maximum amount of
  daily silver exposure that is not associated with any
  deleterious effects over a lifetime. Current RfD for
  oral silver exposure is 5 micrograms per kg per day.
  An average (european) 70 kg man: = 350 µg/day

  That means that my 4.8mg-4800mcg daily is about 1500% more than the safe 
daily dose  !!  I'm about 50kg ~105lbs, so I should only be consuming 250mcg, 
right ???

  Or am I missing something ???

  Thanks again,
  Angel

  From: FRANK CUNS-RIAL 
Angel 
To convert part per million (by weight) into miligrams in 8 oz. do the 
following:

One fluid oz.of CS equals about 30 grams.
8 oz. of CS is therefore 240 grams in which you have 20 ppm.
The grams of silver contained in your 8 oz,
20x240/100=0.0048 gr or 4.8 miligrams.
This asumes that the specific gravity of a ppm CS dispersion is 1.00.
Hope it hels
Frank Cuns-Ria

Re: CSFw: silver toxicity

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Angel 
To convert part per million (by weight) into miligrams in 8 oz. do the 
following:

One fluid oz.of CS equals about 30 grams.
8 oz. of CS is therefore 240 grams in which you have 20 ppm.
The grams of silver contained in your 8 oz,
20x240/100=0.0048 gr or 4.8 miligrams.
This asumes that the specific gravity of a ppm CS dispersion is 1.00.
Hope it hels
Frank Cuns-Rial
  - Original Message - 
  From: angel nest 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, July 03, 2005 5:14 AM
  Subject: Re: CSFw: silver toxicity


  hello 'yall,

  does anyone know how i could calculate the gram or milligram content of my cs?

  let's say, 8oz of 20ppm for instance.

  thanks,
  angel

Re: CSCS Electrodes

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

MessageList,
I clean my silver electrodes with a very fine sand paper until they shine.
Frank
  - Original Message - 
  From: Medwith, Robert 
  To: 'cs' 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 12:20 PM
  Subject: CSCS Electrodes


  I personally never clean my electrodes, I have a CS generator that reverses 
current as it works.
  The electrodes do get dirty but I figure the filter will catch it.
  I just run each Gallon batch through 4 layers of brown (not bleached) coffee 
filter.
  I have a plastic hose 1/4 inch with plastic valve on end.
  I drip the CS through the filters slowly.
  I make batches from to 50 PPM and it all is and stays clear.

Bob

Re: CScandida to ernie

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

The best treatment I have found for Candida is:
1/Proteolitic enzymes 3x3
2/Grapefruit seed extract (GSE conc)15 drops in 8 oz of distilled water 5x a 
day.
3/ CS 5-10 ppm 1 oz.x5 a day. Swirl in your mouth for one minute then 
swallow. Make sure you have no metal objects in your mouth (dentures, etc) 
If caps try to avoid touching CS.

4/Oil of Oregano extract  caps (Biotics ADP) 3x3
5/ Candida diet. amply discussed already.
6/ The above protocol for two months. Follow with strong probiotics for one 
month 3Billionx6 before retiring to recolonize.

Candida will not go away but will arrest it for sure.
One very common problem is re-contamination. Treat with sex partner the same 
way!

PS Localized UTI
The active ingredient in cranberry is d-mannose a compound which prevents 
adhesion of Candida to the epithelial wall. It can also be obtained by 
taking Xylitol.

Regards
Frank Cuns-Rial
- Original Message - 
From: Ernie Patai epa...@sympatico.ca

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 28, 2005 12:22 PM
Subject: RE: CScandida to ernie



Ok, here it is again. :-)

I was told to switch to organic veggies. I was doing lots of veggie
juicing and was only allowed to mix a small apple with it.( avoid the
sugar)Limited fruits. For salad dressing: lemon and organic extra virgin
olive oil. I could not eat anything processed: refined foods of any
nature. No sugar, yeast, gluten, nothing enriched. NO BREAD, with the
exception of organic rye or spelt.(nothing added) No whole wheat
products. No potatoes, no mushrooms.( nothing with starch or mold) no
peanut butter. That includes certain nuts as well. I was allowed to eat
almonds. Moderately ( skin can be toxic in large quantities)NO
DIARY,(butter was ok preferably a natural butter substitute ( can't
remember the name ) I just used butter myself. no coffee,( I cheated a
little ). NO ALCHOHOL, I was taking whole psyllium husks, to compensate
for the drop in fibre intake. Also took human Microflora. EFA as well.
Multi vitamin 3 times daily. No soy products, no corn products either
(also contain mold). Some thought I was crazy especially during the
summer months..To much temptation for a good time. :-)
I succeeded though.


Keep in mind I was taking other things because I also had to adjust and
correct a couple other problems. I would still seek the qualifications
of a cert. nutritionist who does blood cell microscopy just to make sure
you have it and can also determine if there is something more then just
cadida.

Hope this helps some.

ernie


Subject: Re: CScandida to ernie

Where is it?

G Murray

Ernie Patai wrote:


Yes, I wrote a general description of what I was recommended to do from
the nutritionist.





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Re: CSRe:Re: CScyctitis

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Bill, what ae the ppm you use in the 10 oz per day to fight cystitis? How do 
you dose it?

Thx
Frank
- Original Message - 
From: William Amos wa...@mailstation.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 2:34 PM
Subject: CSRe:Re: CScyctitis



Are we talking about CYSTITIS ?

Take Colloidal Silver as directed on the label or 10 oz per day
Garlic (Kyolic from Wakunaga) 2 caps 3 times a day
Vitamin C plus bioflavonoids 1000 mg daily

Check with your pharmacist for the Bayer N-Multistix reagent strips home 
testing kit for UTI.


Bill
--
Debbie: I to have acase of cyctitis ,though I did'nt take cs don't have; 
But went to Doctors he put me on Cipro for 7 days completely better  along 
with lots of water. Don't wait !
 - Original Message - 
 From: debbie cozens

 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 2:11 AM
 Subject: CScyctitis





   I have had bad cyctitis for the past 6 days and my kidneys are 
startying to hurt..i refuse to go to the doctor for
antibiotics..obviously!!!How much CS should i take and how often..please 
HELP


   Debbie



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Re: CScystitis

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Joni,
would you please go in detail regarding the DMSO treatment for IC?
Thanks Frank
- Original Message - 
From: Joni Lovegrove haw...@msn.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Sunday, June 26, 2005 4:21 PM
Subject: RE: CScystitis


If and after infection is ruled out with a culture, consider learning more 
about INTERSTITIAL CYSTITIS  (IC).  If you do take antibiotics, make sure 
they culture and do a sensitivity test on what antibiotic to use, if you 
go that route.  It would be nice if they could do a sensitivity test with 
CS, but I don't know of any labs that would test.  Bladder infections are 
more easily treated, but if it spread to your kidney it is much more 
serious and difficult to treat, it also depends greatly on the type of 
bacteria.


Vaginal yeast infections are also very painful and cause the pain 
associated with cystitis, many times after I am treated for yeast, 
cystitis is better.  A good preventive for yeast is , Flora Q, it has 
several types of friendly bacteria, can be bought in some drug stores and 
most health supplement stores.


I have had interstitial cystitis and vulvodynia for several years.  I was 
(mis-treated) and misdiagnosed for urinary infections (cystitis) for 
years.  The urine specimen would generally show a few white cells and red 
blood cells, so the average doctor would think it was an infection and 
give me a week of antibiotics.  I would go back after finishing a round of 
antibiotics, with no relief, they would send the culture off, then call me 
to say I did not have any infections, and basically no relief or answers.


After about 5 years of misery, three urologist, many antibiotics, and two 
family doctors,  I finally found a urologist in 1999 that figured out what 
was wrong with me, and treated me, and  knew about INTERSTITIAL CYSTITIS. 
They immediately found I had inflamed bladder, very damaged,  and certain 
cells that are diagnostic of IC  and I was treated with much relief with 
DMSO.  The treatment has changed some over the years, but I do get relief. 
Antibiotics can actually make IC worse if you do not have infection. 
However; it is always important to get a culture to rule out IC if you do 
find this is your problem.  If I went to a doctor that was not familiar 
with IC and they looked at my urine on any given day (without sending it 
off for a culture), they would declare I had a really bad urinary tract 
infection and send me home with antibiotics.


I do not know if CS is ever used with IC treatments, but I am sure someone 
on the list could tell you.  I have heard others mention using CS with 
DMSO.


Diet also helps considerably with IC, the cranberry juice that many people 
recommend for actual infections only exacerbates IC, anything acid is 
irritating to an inflamed bladder.  You can get online and check out diets 
that help with bladder and vulva irritation.  There is a product called 
Prelief, over the counter, mostly calcium, that helps tremendously if you 
take it before meals when you do eat something that irritates the bladder. 
Carbonated beverages, caffeine, and highly acidic foods are irritating for 
most IC sufferers.


The cause is not completely understood, it can be caused from exposures, 
possibly autoimmune related, virus, hidden bacteria, fungal infections, 
still mostly speculation.


It is VERY important that you do get cultures done to rule out infection 
or find out what kind you have and what the bacteria is sensitive to.  I 
have had a few urinary tract infections, that were treated successfully 
with macrobid, it especially formulated for bladder and is much more 
easily tolerated than cipro and other antibiotics I have taken.   When a 
urinary tract infection spreads to the kidney it is really a serious 
problem, so again, get cultured!


With interstitial cystitis (IC), it is hard to distinguish between a 
urinary tract infection,  or IC because generally you feel like you have a 
urinary tract infection.  Most people with IC have frequent urination, 
especially at night.  I have also found that lidocaine gel works when it 
is an IC flare-up to treat the pain topically when vulvodynia is flared up 
as well.  I have also had my urologist to use lidocaine with DMSO or other 
installations, I can do them at home also.  But, I try to have a culture 
once a month just to make sure I am not getting an infection.


Hope this helps, I put off getting a culture last fall, felt sure it was 
IC and ended up with a really bad kidney infection and had to be 
hospitalized for a week with IV antibiotics, hope I never have to do that 
again.  The infection can quickly spread throughout your body once it 
enters the kidneys.


joni





Original Message Follows
From: debbie cozens debbiecoz...@yahoo.co.uk
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CScyctitis
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 07:11:57 +0100 (BST)




I have had bad cyctitis for the past 6 days and my kidneys are startying 
to 

Re: CSionizable magnesium?

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Rowena, 
I don't know what ionizable magnesium could mean, but I'll tell you that 
magnesium is a divalent metal that has the tendency to bind chemically via 
ionic bonding with strong acids such as nitric, sulphuric, hydrochloric forming 
salts known as magnesium nitrite, magnesium sulgate and magnesium chloride 
respecitively. This type of bond, where an electron donor and an electron 
acceptor share electrons is known as an ionic bond. It is a weak bond and in 
fact when you dissolve magnesium sulphate, for example, in water the bond 
weakens to the point that the magnesium ion splits from the salt and exists in 
ionic form in concenrt with equally but opposite charged sulphate ions (charged 
atoms).
 From that standpoint, magnesium is an ionizable metal.
Magnesium can also react with other weak acids such as gluconate forming a 
different type of bond, much stronger covalent bond, that does not split or 
ionize in water.
I hope I made sense.
Frank Cuns-Rial
--- Original Message - 
  From: Rowena 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 6:46 AM
  Subject: Re: CSionizable magnesium?


  Can anyone tell me what ionizable magnesium might be?

  http://www.coldcure.com/html/dep.html#codex  said As previously mentioned, 
magnesium regulates many nerve receptors, such as NMDA or 5-HT3. When 
inadequately regulated due to magnesium deficiency, those receptors cause 
fibromyalgia pain and increase sleep deprivation, further worsening magnesium 
deficiency. Fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue syndrome are often not diagnosed 
by internists, rather they conduct multiple expensive tests to rule out other 
possibilities. These painful symptoms are always predictive of major health 
problems in the future including cardiac trouble and depression if not treated 
with ionizable magnesium at about 200 mg three to four times a day. 

  Any links or info, anyone?

  Thanks
  Rowena

CSAA SPECTROMETRY

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Doesn't Atomic Absoprtion Spectrometry measure all silver regardless whether it 
is ionized, molecular, aggregated (colloidal)? In fact I thought it can't 
distinguish between atomic, molecular or otherwise.
There may be other types but the classical one, If I remember correctly, 
reduces all metals to the ionic plasma state and measures their specific 
electronic behavior.
If my memory serves right, AA should measure all silver present in the sample. 
Correct me if I am wrong.
Frank Cuns-Rial

Re: CSForward from Ole Bob regarding Microdyn

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Marshall,
I believe that if ANY form of silver with nitric acid, the end result is a 
silver nitrate of all silver content present.
How would the nitric acid separate physical forms of metal and attack ionic 
only?

I think it is an important issue and I would appreciate your response.
PS On a separate issue, my response to the previous posting was in reference 
to using AA (atomic absorption) spectrometry but you use color spectrometry.

Best regards
Frank Cuns-Rial

- Original Message - 
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: CSForward from Ole Bob regarding Microdyn


I use color spectrometry for determining the silver content as well. 
Although
the spectrophotometer only measures ionic content, you can easly measure 
the
colloidal content as well if the sample is properly prepared.  I use 
nitric acid
to digest the colloidal portion to silver nitrate before making the 
measurement
so as to get a measurement of the entire silver content.  Samples that I 
and

Frank Key both measured gave essentially the same results.

Marshall

Ode Coyote wrote:


 I think what Ole Bob said is that his testing procedure with a color
spectrophotometer only tests for ionic content.

Spectrophotometry is a commercial color test for measuring the amount of
 silver ions lost in the wash water of the silver plating industry

 I think that sending a sample to Frank Key who has an AA 
Spectrophotometer

that detects 'total mass' will give different results.
 If I'm not mistaken, he does that for free on 'commercially sold' 
samples

and publishes the results on his website.

Ode

At 12:51 PM 6/13/2005 -0500, you wrote:


Thanks to Rich Adams, for instigating and paying for the Microdyn and 
the
testing, and to Ole Bob for the testing, to solve this Microdyn mystery. 
So

the infamous 3200ppm Microdyn is only 70 ppm?  I'm crushed.


- Original Message -
From: William Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 12:40 PM
Subject: Re: CSForward from Ole Bob regarding Microdyn


 I'm pretty sure the off-color phenomena is caused by the food coloring
 (from animal sources, probably liver) to make the Microdyn look like
 iodine, the former water purifier of choice in these parts.

 - Original Message -
 From: Rich Adams r...@kc.rr.com
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 9:28 AM
 Subject: CSForward from Ole Bob regarding Microdyn


 Hi Rich,

 Here are the test results and some necessary commentary.

 Spectrophotometry is a commercial color test for measuring the amount 
 of

 silver ions lost in the wash water of the silver plating industry,

 Since 1989 I have made over 800 tests for silver ions. The human body
 cannot use silver colloids, only silver ions that combine with to 
 form

 compound. You do not make colloidal silver. What you make is a silver
 hydro-sol or a silver solution.

 Four tests were made:
 #1. One drop of Microdyn in one liter of DW. indicated ionic content 
 is

 0.33 PPM.
 #4. Seven drops added to the about (suggested use was to wash 
 vegetables

 or fruits)
  measured   ionic content 2.2 PPM. which correlates well with #1
 (0.33x8= 2.64)
 #2. One cc of Microdyne in 50 c DW (standard test for silver ions), 
 when

 mixed with the
  reagent chemicals a bright red color produced indicating a high
 ionic content.
  When 500/1 solution was added to bleach it turned black. (it 
 should

 have become
  colorless). Diluting the remaining red solution 2/1 it became
 colorless. It should have
  been less red. Something wrong.
 #3. Test #2 two repeated, but when adding the solution to the reagent
 chemicals a foam
  developed. (never seen this before) The mix became a very dark 
 red

 indicating high ionic
  content. The 50/1 solution was diluted to 200/1 so that the 
 product

 would be in the test
  equipment measuring range. The test proceeded normally and 
 indicated

 a 70 PPM
  ionic silver content.

 For the newbies a European greenhouse test showed that a 20-40 PPB
 (billion) was very
 effective in eliminating cucumber Mosaic and the owner reported that 
 he

 had need seen such large cucumbers.

 The Hawkins Jensen report of several years ago showed that a 3 PPM 
 was 10

 to 50 times more effective that 10 or 20 PPM in invitro testing of
 bacteria and virus.

 Ole Bob



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Re: CSForward from Ole Bob regarding Microdyn

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Marshall, what confused me was the remark thet you use nitric acid to 
digest the colloidal portion
I am glad we are clear that once the sample is digested with nitric all the 
silver is measured.

Thx for clarifying things for me.
Frank Cuns-Rial
- Original Message - 
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com

To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: CSForward from Ole Bob regarding Microdyn



FRANK CUNS-RIAL wrote:


Marshall,
I believe that if ANY form of silver with nitric acid, the end result is 
a

silver nitrate of all silver content present.


That is correct.



How would the nitric acid separate physical forms of metal and attack 
ionic

only?


I never said it would.  The process given to me by Hach suppose to form 
silver
nitrate from all silver present, whether a compound or in metallic or 
colloidal

form.

Marshall



I think it is an important issue and I would appreciate your response.
PS On a separate issue, my response to the previous posting was in 
reference
to using AA (atomic absorption) spectrometry but you use color 
spectrometry.

Best regards
Frank Cuns-Rial

- Original Message -
From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 9:34 AM
Subject: Re: CSForward from Ole Bob regarding Microdyn

I use color spectrometry for determining the silver content as well.
Although
 the spectrophotometer only measures ionic content, you can easly 
 measure

 the
 colloidal content as well if the sample is properly prepared.  I use
 nitric acid
 to digest the colloidal portion to silver nitrate before making the
 measurement
 so as to get a measurement of the entire silver content.  Samples that 
 I

 and
 Frank Key both measured gave essentially the same results.

 Marshall

 Ode Coyote wrote:

  I think what Ole Bob said is that his testing procedure with a color
 spectrophotometer only tests for ionic content.

 Spectrophotometry is a commercial color test for measuring the amount 
 of

  silver ions lost in the wash water of the silver plating industry

  I think that sending a sample to Frank Key who has an AA
 Spectrophotometer
 that detects 'total mass' will give different results.
  If I'm not mistaken, he does that for free on 'commercially sold'
 samples
 and publishes the results on his website.

 Ode

 At 12:51 PM 6/13/2005 -0500, you wrote:
 
 
 Thanks to Rich Adams, for instigating and paying for the Microdyn and
 the
 testing, and to Ole Bob for the testing, to solve this Microdyn 
 mystery.

 So
 the infamous 3200ppm Microdyn is only 70 ppm?  I'm crushed.
 
 
 - Original Message -
 From: William Missett miss...@prodigy.net.mx
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 12:40 PM
 Subject: Re: CSForward from Ole Bob regarding Microdyn
 
 
  I'm pretty sure the off-color phenomena is caused by the food 
  coloring
  (from animal sources, probably liver) to make the Microdyn look 
  like

  iodine, the former water purifier of choice in these parts.
 
  - Original Message -
  From: Rich Adams r...@kc.rr.com
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Monday, June 13, 2005 9:28 AM
  Subject: CSForward from Ole Bob regarding Microdyn
 
 
  Hi Rich,
 
  Here are the test results and some necessary commentary.
 
  Spectrophotometry is a commercial color test for measuring the 
  amount

  of
  silver ions lost in the wash water of the silver plating industry,
 
  Since 1989 I have made over 800 tests for silver ions. The human 
  body

  cannot use silver colloids, only silver ions that combine with to
  form
  compound. You do not make colloidal silver. What you make is a 
  silver

  hydro-sol or a silver solution.
 
  Four tests were made:
  #1. One drop of Microdyn in one liter of DW. indicated ionic 
  content

  is
  0.33 PPM.
  #4. Seven drops added to the about (suggested use was to wash
  vegetables
  or fruits)
   measured   ionic content 2.2 PPM. which correlates well with 
  #1

  (0.33x8= 2.64)
  #2. One cc of Microdyne in 50 c DW (standard test for silver 
  ions),

  when
  mixed with the
   reagent chemicals a bright red color produced indicating a 
  high

  ionic content.
   When 500/1 solution was added to bleach it turned black. (it
  should
  have become
   colorless). Diluting the remaining red solution 2/1 it became
  colorless. It should have
   been less red. Something wrong.
  #3. Test #2 two repeated, but when adding the solution to the 
  reagent

  chemicals a foam
   developed. (never seen this before) The mix became a very 
  dark

  red
  indicating high ionic
   content. The 50/1 solution was diluted to 200/1 so that the
  product
  would be in the test
   equipment measuring range. The test proceeded normally and
  indicated
  a 70 PPM
   ionic silver content.
 
  For the newbies a European greenhouse test showed that a 20-40 PPB
  (billion) was very
  effective in eliminating cucumber

CS

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

The effects of Gymmema in the hypoglycemicare a complex issue. 
Gymmena works in more than one way. In addition to stimulating the pancreas to 
elicit more insulin (probably by increasing membrane permeability) It is 
therefore important to control the amounts taken so not to overdue this 
production. Gymmena has been taken for over 2000 years by diabetics and it has 
a remarkable track record of safety. The action of Gymmema also removes excess 
of corticosteroid metabolites from the body reducing their deleterous 
effects.Additionally, it may regenerate the islets of Langerhans and reduce the 
amount of glucose absortion.
Modern formulas attenuate the effect of its ingredients by incorporating 
modulators such as Chromium and Vanadium compounds.
It is also important to understand the physiology of diabetes II or non-insulin 
dependent. 
Insulin is pumped out into the blood stream in two separate burts. The first 
burst is stored insulin previously produced by the pancreas. This burst occurs 
within minutes of ingesting any meal (this includes proteins ) 
Hypoglycemics eat constantly and thus may deplete this storage. When a large 
meal comes along there may not be sufficient insulin to take care of the 
quickly burning carbohydrates. 
This may produce a rise in glucose, after the meal (pospandrial), depending on 
the size and composition of the meal and the remaining stored insulin.
The second burst is freshly produced during the ensuing 2-3 hours after the 
meals. This process is easily traceable by a test knwon as GTT (glucos 
tolerance test) which tracks the above dynamics typical of a tipe II. Thus, it 
follows that is not necessarily clear whether the hypoglycemic is suffering 
from an excess of insulin at all times during this process.
Alopathics, in their attempt to standardize and measure everything and 
everybody do come up with simplistic definitions like hypoglycemics are sugar 
deficient.In reality, hypoglycemics are unable to control glucose within a 
narrow range.
I believe that the small amount of Gymmema being used to control sporadic 
excesses as well as disposing of corticosteriodal material produced by the 
adrenal glands in response to excessive glucose, is beneficial.
Excessive compsumption of Gymmema extracts should be avoided and monotherapy 
carefully tracked.




 Shimizu K, Ozeki M, Tanaka K, Itoh K, Nakajyo S, Urakawa N, Atsuchi M. 
Suppression of glucose absorption by extracts from the leaves of Gymnema 
inodorum. Journal of Veterinary Medical Science. 1997;59(9):753-757.  
Shanmugasundaram ER, Gopinath KL, Radha Shanmugasundaram K, Rajendran VM. 
Possible regeneration of the islets of Langerhans in streptozotocin-diabetic 
rats given Gymnema sylvestre leaf extracts. Journal of Ethnopharmacology. 
 Nakamura Y, Tsumura Y, Tonogai Y, Shibata T. Fecal steroid excretion is 
increased in rats by oral administration of gymnemic acids contained in Gymnema 
sylvestre leaves. Journal of Nutrition. 1999;129(6):1214-1222. 

CSDIABETES

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

I agree that a potential cause trigering diabetes could be toxic metal 
contamination. I should caution, however, that the major reason is diet, diet, 
diet, and genetics, heavy metal toxicity, etc are, in comparison, very low 
contributors. It ALWAYS makes sense to review eating habits and metabolic 
realities and correcting them before getting into these relatively rare 
causators 
Regards
Frank Cuns-Rial  

CSDIABETES II

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Diabetes type II is a nurtured condition and easily reversible.
1/Use a glycemic diet
2/ Eat small frequent meals
3/ Eat good fat or protein with each meal
4/ drink half of your weight in ounces of clean water
5/ Support with
1000 mg of Lipoic Acid
500 Bilberry extract
200-600 micrograms of Chromium Picolinate
50-100 mg vanadium Sulfate
25 mg Banaba ex (0.1% Corosolic acid)
3000 mg fish body oils
500 mg Gymmena Sikvestre
100 mg Cinnamon ext

and a good multivitamin/mineral formula

Try also Citozyme-PAN by Biotics to repair the pancreas

Enzymatic Therapy has a product called Glucose Regulation which includes most 
of the items above. Jarrow Labs has also a similar effectie product. Neither 
will give you the entire spectrum so check carefully to complete the above 
schedule.

Frank Cuns-Rial

CSOmega-3 and diabetes

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

There is ample proof of effectiveness of omega-3 for diabetics. It seems 
related to the fact that insulin resistance may be modulated by TNF and fish 
oils control the production of TNF.
I am curious about Gymmema I have not read about adverse effects.Do you have 
any references? Dosages? Potencies?
Regards

CSprogesterone

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

The use of bioidentical hormone products is safe and effective. These products 
mimic the action of the real hormones and attach themselves to the receptors 
sites in the cell walls, crodwing out the real hormones. The rejected 
hormones travel back to the blood stream and their concentration is such that 
triggers a feedback to the ovaries, etc. not to produce for a while. That is 
the way the bioidenticals fool the body into reducing the production of 
excessive amounts of natural hormones. 
FCR

Re: CSNeed help with kidney stones

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

There is an herbal product from the Amazon known as Chanca Piedra. Is excellent 
for braking down all kinds of stone formations in the gall or urine bladder and 
reduce them to a fine sand for easy evacuation. Drink a gallon of water a day 
and follow manufacturer instructions for the extract.
Good luck
Frank Cuns Rial
  - Original Message - 
  From: fl...@aol.com 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2005 10:56 AM
  Subject: CSNeed help with kidney stones


  Help! I have a kidney stone that is killing me. Any suggestions on any 
treatments are welcome.

  Dana

CSVitamin C

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Have you tried non-acidic vitamin C in the form of sodium ascorbate? 

CSvit c

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Most vitamin is produced from fermenting corn. If you are allergic to corn, try 
vitamin C from Acerola. 

CSUTI

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

As I said, the best way to get Mannose is by taking two-three tablespoons of 
Xylitol a day It is sweet and has very los glycemic value. If you can't take 
Xylitol, you can get Mannose in many sites in the web. Is a sugar with a higher 
glycemic value and will affect your blood sugar levels in a  somewhat greater 
degree than Xylitol.
Sodium ascorbate is gentler in the stomach than ascobic acid and it'll not 
acidify your tissues as the acid does.
You need to take a slightly greater amount of the ascorbate to equate the 
ascorbic but it is worth it. However, for some unknown reason, the ascorbate is 
not as effective for the immune system as the ascorbic is. 

CSascorbate

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Mixing the corresponding hydroxides with the acids is an acceptable form of 
producing salts such as the ascorbates. One must be careful to mix equimol 
amounts so not to overshoot either ingredient. If you use too much alkali 
(hydroxide) you'll end up with a very high pH product that may harm you. It is 
best if you buy the sfuff in any health food store.

CSesterC

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

Ester C is a brand of ascorbate. If you want to pay Larry King promotional fees 
go ahead otherwise buy generic sodium ascorbate. There is magnesium ascorbate 
but is more difficult to get.

CSuti

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

I use D-mannose and a ton of vit C or better yet Xylitol which breaks down into 
mannose.
FCR

CSconductivity

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

The conductivity of a solution depends on the numner of positive and negative 
ions (cations and anoins) that the solution contains and their relative 
electricl strenght. It is also temperture dependent. The PPM referes to the 
parts per million of any ONE soluble molecule. It is a measure of 
concentration, while the conductivity is an electrical measurement. They are 
not related in any way, except that if you have a solution of a single known 
ion, the conductivity can be calculated.
regards
FCR 

CSsilver and peroxide

[FRANK CUNS-RIAL]

It seems to me that adding peroxide (a strong oxidizer) to a free metal 
suspension, it would simply oxidize an amount of silver to silver oxide a black 
compound.
Regards
Frank Cuns-Rial,