Re: CS[List Owner] Etiquette reminder...
Hey, mike; Please do me a favor. Dissolve me into cyper space from your silverlist of clowns. Brooks Bradley is the only person who has anything to say that is meaningful, but I know most of what he's been talking about anyway. I haven't learned anything from your We-We community-life in the time I've been on your list and I'm on other health lists that are much more beneficial than this one. But then, again, I've been involved with alternative health for 35 years. You folks are dangerous to newbies and even experienced others in giving some un-backed info out - that you read somewhere - and not from experience. Thanks, it's been fun tantalizing all of you. Have a great life and stay fat... John On Tue, Feb 23, 2010 at 11:03 AM, M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: Hi folks, I've been asked if I'd post a reminder on a couple if list etiquette items that are being neglected lately. I agree that it's appropriate. Trimming text: When you hit reply and then type a few lines of text at the top, please realize that the WHOLE POST you're responding to is quoted in yours, along with several more previous messages in many cases! It's there, even if you don't see it in the editing window! Just hit down-arrow a few dozen times and you'll realize just how ridiculously wasteful your message is! Please delete all but the relevant parts of the post you're replying to, leaving enough so your readers have context for your remarks. Thanks! The other matter is one of noise level. People ask questions, others give answers. We get the occasional heads- up on political or regulatory issues. Folks post their experiences or report on what they're doing or things they've found. All of that is content that is appropriate for what we're here to do. One liners saying Thank you! Great post! or Me too! and variants thereof... add very little to the discussion, yet often account for a large fraction of daily message volume. Now, I fully understand that our mommas all taught us to be polite. It's just good manners to be thankful and say so... I'll make two suggestions: Send it privately to the one person for whom it really matters to know you are grateful. Or, collect up the names of those who've responded to you and send 'batch' thank-yous to the list that acknowledge several at once. When you hit reply, the list address will be in the To: or Addressee: field of your message editor by default. You're going to have to manually cut and paste the oringal author's address there, unless you're lucky and your mail editor gives you the chance to choose other options. Now, these are only guidelines, so you won't be breaking any rules if you forget, and I don't want to hear any apologies out there, either! Just, as we go forward, please ask yourself if the message you're about to send falls into one of these catagories and consider re-addressing it or not sending it this time. And trim your text, too! Thank you! Be well, Mike Devour silver-list owner [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSIs CS effective against HPV?
I can tell you some of the ways to go at it. E-mail me at my private e-mail address and I'll explain. John On Wed, Feb 24, 2010 at 7:10 AM, Rod Stevenson laoweilao...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, Can anyone here give me information or links to information about how to use CS against HPV? Are there other things that can be added to or mixed with it? TIA, Da Luo -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS.
Mike: I'm sick of listening to third grade attacks by jerks on friends and I will defend them. I don't care what anyone else says on the list - they're mostly just chit-chatters and most don't have evidence of anything other than what they've read. brooks has good info - real info. I belong to a lot of health lists and this one is really not monitored well - or Dave's crap about Steve would've never gotten through - never on another list. You people want to bring on the name calling games, I'm right there to defend my friends and I'll lay it out as cold and as cruel as comes my way. If you want to be adults - try it - it works nicely. Community - we - what a joke! If you don't understand, Mike, what I've said about the evolution of the EU moving to ban CS, then you're not as smart as you think you are. I've been very clear about it. And so has Steve. And the movement through the EPA is hitting our shores, too. John On Mon, Feb 22, 2010 at 11:57 AM, M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: John, David, Ken, and others... Here we go with the repetitious, inane, 3rd grade name-calling, again. It's no wonder the 'smart people' no longer have anything to say on silverlist - the wonderful we-we community. John, would you kindly stop making this all so damned personal -- and juvenile? Thank you for calling every person who posts to the list stupid! I am very sorry David is not feeling kindly toward your friend. He is reporting first-hand the difficulties this uproar is causing him in his efforts to *promote* colloidal silver use. You may NOT object to him doing so here. Understood? David and Ken, and anyone else who chooses to comment on this issue: Kindly refrain from using personally perjorative descriptors of the person of Steve Barwick, so we may all be spared John getting his knickers in a twist because you're being MEAN to him. Understood? The essential issue is this: Is CS really banned in Europe, or are vendors simply changing their labelling to comply with new regulations and continuing to sell their products? If the latter, then Dave's point is perfectly valid, even if packaged in an unkindly sentiment. So, which is true, John? As carefully explained here before, Europe is moving in an evolutionary way, like the progressives in the U.S., to ban silver water. As is the EPA, John McCain and a number of others. That is undoubtedly true, in terms of the agenda and the incremental approach that is being attempted. I don't think anyone here is blind to what the powers that be *want* to do. The dispute is over the LOUD assertion that: COLLOIDAL SILVER IS BANNED IN EUROPE! ... which some say is not actually true at the present time. Is silver still being sold in Europe, or not? That's the question you need to answer for us, John, if you want to be believed. You don't fight this battle by sticking your head in the sand... To object to exaggerations is not the same as denying there is a movement to ban silver... along with just about anything else that might be useful. You might also say that it hurts the credibility of the alternative health community to loudly proclaim things that are not true, or that sowing fear and panic in potential users is unwise. So, is it true that CS is actually BANNED, and no longer being sold in Europe, or is it only that some labelling requirements have been changed? Answer that, please? Be well, Mike D. list referee... On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au wrote: Even though its untrue, I've had half a dozen people say to me that CS has been banned in Europe. Gee, it must be dangerous if its been banned and Hey, Google is full of references that say CS is banned in Europe. Steve Barwick (aka Spencer Jones) is an idiot. All he has done is get more people thinking that perhaps it SHOULD be banned. David [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBarwick's BS about CS.
Here we go with the repetitious, inane, 3rd grade name-calling, again. It's no wonder the 'smart people' no longer have anything to say on silverlist - the wonderful we-we community. Steve Barwick's little finger knows about Colloidal Silver Water than you'll ever know, David. And yeah, Steve is a friend - a much wiser friend than you could ever ascend to. As carefully explained here before, Europe is moving in an evolutionary way, like the progressives in the U.S., to ban silver water. As is the EPA, John McCain and a number of others. You don't fight this battle by sticking your head in the sand... Please WAKE UP... John On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 8:43 PM, Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au wrote: Even though its untrue, I've had half a dozen people say to me that CS has been banned in Europe. Gee, it must be dangerous if its been banned and Hey, Google is full of references that say CS is banned in Europe. Steve Barwick (aka Spencer Jones) is an idiot. All he has done is get more people thinking that perhaps it SHOULD be banned. David -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDIABETES -ANSWER BY POLO DAVE
I think whole food chromium plays a part in reversing diabetes, too. Check out Chris Barr's info on diabetes at healthtruthrevealed.com. MMS is good, too. John On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 2:40 AM, orv delany orv.del...@comcast.net wrote: Thank you Dave for your help. mms you said has been shown to exert influence on diabetes. can you point me in the direction to find out more. the link you gave will not pull up, it says incorrect address. if using cs with a iv might help ? does your dog have any more symptoms ? thank you orv
Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS?
Very humorous... John On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 7:39 AM, Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.netwrote: Yea sure...just be your very own gang. That's different ..like a we of one ode At 08:19 AM 2/18/2010 -0500, you wrote: I didn't miss any point. You are still lost in the gang mentality. Something I do not and will never ascribe to. John On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:24 PM, MaryAnn Helland mailto: marmar...@bellsouth.netmarmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: John: You miss the point. MA From: John E. Stevens mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.com jonellis.steven...@gmail.com MA: I find you most humorous... So Dick said so an so... His proof cannot be debated, huh? John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.com silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSGrapefruit other food interactions
Rainie: I've always drunk my silver in between meals. and I love grapefruit - at least once a day usually early in the morning. I don't know of any foods that interfere with taking silver. John On Fri, Feb 19, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Rainie Cole raini...@gmail.com wrote: Please forgive me, I'm new at this. the question is still the same: does eating grapefruit interfere with the benefits of taking silver? thanks -- Rainie
Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS?
I didn't miss any point. You are still lost in the gang mentality. Something I do not and will never ascribe to. John On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:24 PM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.netwrote: John: You miss the point. MA -- *From:* John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com MA: I find you most humorous... So Dick said so an so... His proof cannot be debated, huh? John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSZeolite for removing heavy metals
Zeolite is a good heavy metal detoxifier. I've been taking that for a few years. I also take Pectasol, Pascalite Clay, Chlorella and Metal Shield, too, which are also good heavy metal detox chelators. John On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com wrote: From what I've read zeolite is excellent for heavy metal detox so I'm assuming it would work in ridding the body of argyria. I would think taking zeolite along with the other supplements would help. For any newbs reading this here is a good article about Argyria...JFYI http://www.clspress.com/argyria.html Sandy Disclaimer: Everything contained within my messages are strictly my own opinions and should not be construed as me speaking for anyone else. Thank you.
Re: CS[List Owner] Settle down, please! And for John...
Hey, Mike: There are some folks on the list that have admirable knowledge and those folks I respect and read carefully for their ideas are good and helpful. That's not everyone on the list. There are some folks who clamor out opinions which I think can be dangerous, especially to new-comers. The proof has always been in the pudding for me - the living experience - not just in the words of someone I don't really know. I've been involved with natural health as a health consultant for over thirty-five years and I've used CSW for over ten years - maybe longer. I find CSW to be very helpful in many ways. I don't find any of the opinions silly as you've mentioned. But I've sent and forwarded some e-mails that have creditable info that have been mocked nastily by some in your group - but you forgot to address that. That does get my ire up at times. I've used CSW in conjunction with other protocols and have helped folks to beat their cancer, not only once, but many times. And with many different types of cancer. And I've dealt successfully with many other diseases with various protocols, for many folks, too. You must think the list's hammerings are justified for you haven't addressed much of it before now - except with me. I don't mind being at the brunt of your we-isms. It's really never phased me in the past - only I can rebel periodically when it gets a little too much groupie for me. I'll see how it goes. If the fire starts, again, with your groupies, I may seek out - because there are many folks that know about the power of CSW outside the list... John On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:01 PM, M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: Allright youz guyz... settle down in here! Please! Specifically: I will help Orv get himself switched to the digest. You can all stop having fun with the 'unscribe' mis-spelling. Do you know that that spelling error is so common that the list server software is specifically designed to respond correctly to it? It's not in the least unusual, believe me. I see it every day. Oh, and the thing about turkey basters... the original suggestion is quite good to know. The, ummm, response has run its course, i think. scowl Second, and far more important: John and everyone who is sniping back and forth with him, please stop it now. John has positioned himself as a target for these kinds of barbs, but the rest of you are not obligated to respond. In fact, just the opposite is true. John, If you had been here for the last 13 years, seen and shared in the work that went into forming these silly opinions you find so incredible, you would perfectly understand the unity implied by the casual use of the word we in these discussions. Where there is unity of opinion, there was work to back it up. Where there are opinions that diverge on a topic, we report them as well, to those who will listen. When one of our ideas departs from what you know to be true... Do you approach the situation with an open mind, ask intelligent questions, and explore the reasons for it? Do you consider the possibility that this obscure, perhaps insular and eccentric little group might actually have discovered one or two original things worth knowing now, today, in the hundreds of person- years of their shared experience? Or do you dismiss us as a rabble of inferior minds who are beneath your dignity to show simple respect? We feel justifiable pride in knowing the things that we've learned from each other over the years, and the newer folks who have taken the time to listen share in that knowledge. We know at least the vague boundaries of our own ingnorance. What do we know that you don't? I know that there isn't an abundance of easily accessible data here, ready to convince you. So, for the time being you have to learn by word of mouth (or keyboard), an oral tradition, rather than a proper scientific presentation. Fine, that's less than optimal. I admit that freely -- but I claim that it would be worth it to you to make the effort. It's your choice, sir. I have extended you my hospitality and would very much value the help you could give my other guests, were you to offer it with a humble and generous spirit. I need you to start appreciating what that can be worth to you, and to consistently behave as the gentleman, and friend, I know you would prefer to be. If that's not something you care to do, then it would be best for you not to waste further energy trying to save us from ourselves. It'd only lead to continued aggravation for all... Some remark about pig wrestling would be appropriate here, I suppose. I await your thoughts. Be well, Mike D. list owner, cat herder, and sometimes nanny... [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are
Re: CSCS with or without food
Rainie: There is a doctor, Dr. Farber, who cured his Lyme with CSW. Dr. Paul Farber wrote The Micro-Silver Bullet. It details how he cured his Lyme disease and it goes into his daily dosages - which i think could be very helpful for you. Yes, I do make my own CSW. John On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Rainie Cole raini...@gmail.com wrote: Well, John, this specific question applies to taking it orally to boost my immune system and hopefully help in my recovery from Lyme Disease. Susan, thank you so much for your suggestions. do you both make your own? On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Rainie Cole raini...@gmail.com wrote: I know this is a basic question, but how is it best to take silver? thanks so much. -- Rainie -- Rainie
Re: CS[List Owner] Settle down, please! And for John...
I'm laughing, Chuck... John On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 7:17 PM, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: Mike You have perfected the knack of killjoy... Chuck The other night I ate at a real nice family restaurant. Every table had an argument going. George Carlin On 2/17/2010 1:56:48 PM, M. G. Devour (mdev...@eskimo.com) wrote: Allright youz guyz... settle down in here! Please! Specifically: I will help Orv get himself switched to the digest. You can all stop having fun with the 'unscribe' mis-spelling. Do you know that that spelling error is so common that the list server software is specifically designed to respond correctly to it? It's not in the least unusual, believe me. I see it every day. Oh, and the thing about turkey basters... the original suggestion is quite good to know. The, ummm, response has run its course, i think. scowl Second, and far more important: John and everyone who is sniping back and forth with him, please stop it now. John has positioned himself as a target for these kinds of barbs, but the rest of you are not obligated to respond. In fact, just the opposite is true. John, If you had been here for the last 13 years, seen and shared in the work that went into forming these silly opinions you find so incredible, you would perfectly understand the unity implied by the casual use of the word we in these discussions. Where there is unity of opinion, there was wor -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS?
Dave: Whole food selenium or synthetic? What kind of Vit E? Mixed tocopherols and tocotrienols? Or d-alpha tocopherol? Whole food? Or synthetic? John On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 8:05 PM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: Mike I took 800 iu of E and 400mcg of selenium and a couple of other things - don't remember what they were now -with them about a year ago for three months. I don't remember who posted the regimen but I followed it and there was no change I could see. Dave On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 10:01 AM, M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: Richard Sorry to say I haven't found one but others parrot the same cure as if they know absolutely that it works. Maybe for someone that doesn't have Argeria it might work in their own minds--Gives them comfort. Dear Dave, Jason, the fellow who reports those couple of argyria cures using that protocol, is a reliable person. If he says this was reported to him, at the very least we can say he is not making it up. It would help, I think, if you shared the exact supplements and dosage you used and the duration of your attempt? He has also received some encouraging reports of success with laser- based treatment, the last I heard. This might be another option for you to look into. Have you already? Thank you for logging your experience with us, Dave, and you too, Richard. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSArthritis- ? for Brooks B.
Glucosamine - fine. MSM - great! Hyaluronic Acid - very good. Vitamin C. All help with arthritis. Chondroitin - I'm keeping an eye on because I've heard it may cause certain forms of cancer (Wm. Campbell Douglass II, MD,) - just a rumor, now, but I'm looking for more references on it. John On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Carol Ann saffiresk...@yahoo.com wrote: i swear by MSM. Its tasteless and dissolves in water. And, it works very well for me. I do not have arthritis...if I did, i wouldnt even know it as no sooner than a slight ache or pain show up, im on it with the MSM. MSM also, very inexpensive and lasts for quite some time. .http://www.evolutionhealth.com/msm-powder3.htmhttp://http://www.evolutionhealth.com/msm-powder3.htm Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html --- On *Thu, 2/4/10, Steve G chube...@yahoo.com* wrote: From: Steve G chube...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CSArthritis- ? for Brooks B. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 12:07 AM Some people swear by glucosamine and chondroitin, but that stuff has never done anything for me. I wish it would though. Maybe DMSO will help. Steve G. --- On *Wed, 2/3/10, Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com* wrote: From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com Subject: CSArthritis- ? for Brooks B. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 11:35 PM I just started taking my glucosamine, chondriotin, and MSM today, once again. A friend of mine has been able to discontinue her Celebrex anti-inflammatory and uses nothing for pain since she started that plus fish oil and vitamin D. She had had significant pain, especially in her knee. Pat
Re: CSArthritis- ? for Brooks B.
Hopefully you'll stay away from King Pharma's drugs like Celebrex, Boniva, fosamax, etc.,. They all very dangerous drugs, and in my opinion, do much more harm than good. john On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Carol Ann saffiresk...@yahoo.com wrote: i swear by MSM. Its tasteless and dissolves in water. And, it works very well for me. I do not have arthritis...if I did, i wouldnt even know it as no sooner than a slight ache or pain show up, im on it with the MSM. MSM also, very inexpensive and lasts for quite some time. .http://www.evolutionhealth.com/msm-powder3.htmhttp://http://www.evolutionhealth.com/msm-powder3.htm Regards, Carol Ann ~ The only thing that is different is how you think.. http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/archivepix.html --- On *Thu, 2/4/10, Steve G chube...@yahoo.com* wrote: From: Steve G chube...@yahoo.com Subject: Re: CSArthritis- ? for Brooks B. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Thursday, February 4, 2010, 12:07 AM Some people swear by glucosamine and chondroitin, but that stuff has never done anything for me. I wish it would though. Maybe DMSO will help. Steve G. --- On *Wed, 2/3/10, Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com* wrote: From: Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com Subject: CSArthritis- ? for Brooks B. To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 11:35 PM I just started taking my glucosamine, chondriotin, and MSM today, once again. A friend of mine has been able to discontinue her Celebrex anti-inflammatory and uses nothing for pain since she started that plus fish oil and vitamin D. She had had significant pain, especially in her knee. Pat
CSMike
Mike: I heard your message loud and clear. I'm tiring of listening to the we-ism-gang approach on silverlist. When that lady comes on we, we, we, like it's totally agreed upon by everyone on the list, it just ain't so, and it's annoying. One should speak for themselves, shouldn't they? John
Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS?
Good points, Dick. Adds a lot to what I said originally about being careful in the use of colloidal silver water. hopefully others are listening... John On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com wrote: OK, I have been waiting for some outcomes of Dr. visits to write this, and while I'm still waiting for certain results, I think this is a good time to send out some preliminary information about things that can go wrong with the way EIS can be made and/or used. First, my wife and I started taking EIS made by an acquaintance of our Dr. about 3 years ago, to get rid of lyme, with which we had both been diagnosed. The treatment was apparently successful after a year or two, all lyme symptoms having disappeared. The EIS this guy made was mostly the approximately the color of tea -- light to dark brown. He generally had a mixture of colloidal silver and gold, and sometimes mixed in other things. This was for drinking and external spraying. He had other stronger stuff, sometimes with copper in it, for external spraying or soaking only, not for drinking. He also made completely clear stuff for infusions, of which we had many in the beginning. He showed me how to make EIS, including a technique he later used whereby he arced high voltage between the positive silver electrode and the soup after it reached a high enough PPM to conduct well. He, and I at his suggestion, used an electrophoresis power supply to produce up to 2000 v at 200 ma max. This high voltage arcing turned the dark soup completely clear after a while, and produced PPMs of 100 or 200 and higher, which we all thought was pretty cool. And it worked very well. No colds, flu, flu shots, deodorant, and many other great uses for it. My wife and I continued to take this daily since then, but lately have noticed some grayness around her face. She has always taken quite a bit more than I have. A while ago Marshall pointed out that I was most likely making silver nitrate, and that would not be a good thing to take, so I have stopped making that, and am now making the 10-20 PPM EIS with no arcing and with low voltage and current. Am also making silver citrate for spraying, which seems to work great. So ... we decided to follow the suggestions for getting rid of the gray color. My wife stopped taking EIS a couple of weeks ago, and started taking the vitamins and other supplements suggested in several places out there to get rid of the gray color. Almost immediately she became ill with diarrhea. Couldn't keep anything in her, and had no appetite for anything anyway. After a week of this, with no sign of it getting better, we took her to the local ER, since our Dr is out of town for the week. There we talked to an amazingly open-minded and understanding AMA-type Dr who was very interested in the EIS concept, and was not nasty, sarcastic, or dismissive of it like most of them are. His take on it, after doing blood and other tests, is that her condition is just like what happens when someone is on an antibiotic for a long time, then suddenly stops, and the beneficial flora in the gut are all gone, and therefore some other infection takes over. The Dr believed that she could have any one or more of several infections going on that are causing her diarrhea, and he was particularly concerned that C. Difficile might be one of them, so he tested explicitly for that as well as others. The C. Difficile test came back negative, thank goodness. The other test results will be available over the next few days. She generally takes pro-biotics, but hasn't been taking them lately, because neither she or I have experienced anything that made us think we needed them. Well now we have. Or at least she has. The Dr suggested going back on the silver in lieu of giving her some standard AMA antibiotic (good Dr!), and to start taking pro-biotics and keep that up. She is starting to get better. We are coming to a couple of conclusions out of all this: 1. Make the EIS the right way, and don't over indulge in it, and you shouldn't turn gray or blue. 2. Take pro-biotics even if you don't think you need them. A nice fat C. Difficile infection is no fun, and in fact can be life threatening. I'm interested to hear feedback and/or suggestions from the group. Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS with or without food
It really depends on what you want to use it for. Skin applications? Drinking? Nasal Spray? John On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Rainie Cole raini...@gmail.com wrote: I know this is a basic question, but how is it best to take silver? thanks so much. -- Rainie
Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS?
MA: I find you most humorous... So Dick said so an so... His proof cannot be debated, huh? John On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 2:40 PM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.netwrote: John -- I am sure that Dick is just thrilled that you approve of his post, and is no doubt composing his letter of gratitude to you at this very moment. For myself, I find your self-congratulatory post piggy-backed onto his very informative one gratuitous and annoying (and we *are* supposed to think for ourselves, right? After all, you said so!). Nothing that Dick said in his post supports your claim that CS will kill off some of the good bacteria in the intestines if used daily. If anything, his acknowledgement that he made silver nitrate and consumed that for years supports the general claim of this group that EIS, as we make it here, is a very safe product (insert nod here to the threshhold issue that Mike reminded me of yesterday). If I may -- and I speak only for myself -- you might find yourself a more valued member of the list here if you would *share* your convictions, rather than issue edicts, and acknowledge it when something you say proves to be wrong and/or inadequate. And refrain from belittling people who do not agree with you. Hopefully, *you're* listening. Very best regards, Mary Ann -- *From:* John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wed, February 17, 2010 11:45:22 AM *Subject:* Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS? Good points, Dick. Adds a lot to what I said originally about being careful in the use of colloidal silver water. hopefully others are listening... John On Wed, Feb 17, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com wrote: OK, I have been waiting for some outcomes of Dr. visits to write this, and while I'm still waiting for certain results, I think this is a good time to send out some preliminary information about things that can go wrong with the way EIS can be made and/or used. First, my wife and I started taking EIS made by an acquaintance of our Dr. about 3 years ago, to get rid of lyme, with which we had both been diagnosed. The treatment was apparently successful after a year or two, all lyme symptoms having disappeared. The EIS this guy made was mostly the approximately the color of tea -- light to dark brown. He generally had a mixture of colloidal silver and gold, and sometimes mixed in other things. This was for drinking and external spraying. He had other stronger stuff, sometimes with copper in it, for external spraying or soaking only, not for drinking. He also made completely clear stuff for infusions, of which we had many in the beginning. He showed me how to make EIS, including a technique he later used whereby he arced high voltage between the positive silver electrode and the soup after it reached a high enough PPM to conduct well. He, and I at his suggestion, used an electrophoresis power supply to produce up to 2000 v at 200 ma max. This high voltage arcing turned the dark soup completely clear after a while, and produced PPMs of 100 or 200 and higher, which we all thought was pretty cool. And it worked very well. No colds, flu, flu shots, deodorant, and many other great uses for it. My wife and I continued to take this daily since then, but lately have noticed some grayness around her face. She has always taken quite a bit more than I have. A while ago Marshall pointed out that I was most likely making silver nitrate, and that would not be a good thing to take, so I have stopped making that, and am now making the 10-20 PPM EIS with no arcing and with low voltage and current. Am also making silver citrate for spraying, which seems to work great. So ... we decided to follow the suggestions for getting rid of the gray color. My wife stopped taking EIS a couple of weeks ago, and started taking the vitamins and other supplements suggested in several places out there to get rid of the gray color. Almost immediately she became ill with diarrhea. Couldn't keep anything in her, and had no appetite for anything anyway. After a week of this, with no sign of it getting better, we took her to the local ER, since our Dr is out of town for the week. There we talked to an amazingly open-minded and understanding AMA-type Dr who was very interested in the EIS concept, and was not nasty, sarcastic, or dismissive of it like most of them are. His take on it, after doing blood and other tests, is that her condition is just like what happens when someone is on an antibiotic for a long time, then suddenly stops, and the beneficial flora in the gut are all gone, and therefore some other infection takes over. The Dr believed that she could have any one or more of several infections going on that are causing her diarrhea, and he was particularly concerned that C. Difficile might be one of them, so he tested explicitly
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Everyone is a know-it-all. Steve Barrett is no friend of mine! Don't be careful - just do what you obviously wanna' do... Use it slip-shod. doesn't matter to me. Seems like the gang mentality is back and no one is thinking for themselves. John On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: Golly, I can't believe that a person who is supposed to know about CS and is on this list, could actually *say* this! Sounds like Quackwatch! dee On 15 Feb 2010, at 16:37, John E. Stevens wrote: Not true, Maryann. One does have to be careful - check out the Blue-Man... John On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:25 AM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: If there's one thing that has been demonstrated, over and over on this list, it's that you don't have to be careful in the use of CS. Not the kind that we make. One should be careful of *purchased* CS, and one should be careful in the use of antibiotics, drugs, etc., but the hallmark of what we do here is can't hurt, might help. FWIW MA
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Here we go, again. Wake up and smell the roses. As i mentioned, it's not to scare people, just to make them aware of the possibility which has been mentioned by other folks on this list other than me. And others not on this list. Unprovable - please... Do what you gotta' do... John On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: I agree. We *ARE* incredible. (But mostly in a good way, I hope... ;-)) Dan On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 7:40 AM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: Us people? US people Dan??? Dan -- we're YOUR people -- lol!!! We're not talking about a rational discussion regarding the possibility of argyria, with input from people who have experienced it -- we're talking about unsubstantiated statements designed to scare people -- or at least impress them with one's *superior* knowledge. The statement that started this thread is CS will kill off some of the good bacteria in the intestines if used daily. I *think* that is unprovable. Anyone who finds their way to this list is likely looking for information. I think it behooves us to impart that information carefully and accurately. People who have experienced side effects should certainly share that -- but keeping in mind that most of us here have experienced none. Above all, we should be very careful not to scare people away. Don't you think? MA From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com You people are incredible... How recently was it that Marshall said that he was getting blue moons on his fingernails and felt it was wise to cut back on his CS use? We have 2 people on the list who say they got skin coloration changes from using what is most probably correctly made CS. The amounts taken seem to be somewhat high and for a long time, but they got some degree of argyria. Some degree of caution is called for. Denial isn't good policy. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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Please. don't speak for we. Speak for yourself... We, we, we... all the way home... Incredible! John On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi John, I do not believe anyone on this forum thinks of themselves as a know it all. It's just that we all came here with the desire to make CS correctly so as not to be like the blue man. Quite clearly the blue man was not making his CS correctly and was using it incorrectly. Not only did he consume it everyday for years and years he also rubbed it on his body. He knew it was making him blue but he continued to abuse it instead of finding out why this was happening. I believe he enjoyed the notoriety his blue condition was giving him. He did a great disservice to those of us who make our own CS by going on all the talk shows and claiming...this is what homemade colloidal silver did to me. We are careful, that's why we are here and hopefully why newbs come here...to learn the correct why of making CS so as not to turn blue. I do not know of one person here who makes their CS in a slip-shod method...course, I cannot speak for you. ;) I personally do not take CS everyday nor would I but I'm certainly not going to criticize anyone else who may. I have enough faith in this group that they make and take CS responsibly and will guide any newbs to do the same. Please calm down...no one is ganging up on you. We are giving our opinions just like you are. Best regards, Sandy The greatest challenge to any thinker is stating the problem in a way that will allow a solution. Bertrand Russell --- On *Tue, 2/16/10, John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com*wrote: From: John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com Subject: Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS? To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 8:40 AM Everyone is a know-it-all. Steve Barrett is no friend of mine! Don't be careful - just do what you obviously wanna' do... Use it slip-shod. doesn't matter to me. Seems like the gang mentality is back and no one is thinking for themselves. John On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orghttp://mc/compose?to=...@deetroy.org wrote: Golly, I can't believe that a person who is supposed to know about CS and is on this list, could actually *say* this! Sounds like Quackwatch! dee On 15 Feb 2010, at 16:37, John E. Stevens wrote: Not true, Maryann. One does have to be careful - check out the Blue-Man... John On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:25 AM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net http://mc/compose?to=marmar...@bellsouth.netwrote: If there's one thing that has been demonstrated, over and over on this list, it's that you don't have to be careful in the use of CS. Not the kind that we make. One should be careful of *purchased* CS, and one should be careful in the use of antibiotics, drugs, etc., but the hallmark of what we do here is can't hurt, might help. FWIW MA
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You're a very funny lady. We-ism's. You speak for the whole gang, huh? Please. Are you afraid to speak for yourself? You aren't the leader of we, sorry to say. I don't take King Pharma's antibiotics. I haven't for over 35 years. I know the dangers of them. I don't even take aspirin. You speak to newbies like they're aware of argyria... and they aren't. You speak like you're a so-called master of CSW and you aren't. You're very dangerous, not to me because I read right through you, but very dangerous to the newbies who are looking for true information. When you speak in your we-isms, they may take it like you're speaking for everyone on silverlist, which you are not. Get some guts, girl. Speak for yourself and let others do the same. John On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 3:42 PM, Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.com wrote: Tell me, John, what do you think we come here for? Speaking for myself I came here to learn the proper way to make and take CS and can only assume that's why the majority of us are here...I cannot speak for why you might be here. If you're here to inform this forum of argyria, then It's pretty safe to say we are all aware of it. Not everyone who uses CS will suffer from it and the ones who do there are treatments they can use to take care of the problem. Since this is a public forum and we are all reading it I think of it as a community of like minded individuals so feel I can speak with a certain amount of we-ism when addressing certain topics. Have you considered the benefits of using CS far out weigh the prospects of getting argyria? Maybe you could speak to that? Tell us the risks of taking antibiotics? Personally speaking I have nearly died from taking Sulfa drugs for a urinary tract infection. However, I've never came close to dying from taking CS or getting argyria. Best regards, Sandy The greatest challenge to any thinker is stating the problem in a way that will allow a solution. Bertrand Russell --- On *Tue, 2/16/10, John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com*wrote: From: John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com Subject: Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS? To: silver-list@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 12:58 PM Please. don't speak for we. Speak for yourself... We, we, we... all the way home... Incredible! John On Tue, Feb 16, 2010 at 12:44 PM, Sandy hollis302...@yahoo.comhttp://mc/compose?to=hollis302...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi John, I do not believe anyone on this forum thinks of themselves as a know it all. It's just that we all came here with the desire to make CS correctly so as not to be like the blue man. Quite clearly the blue man was not making his CS correctly and was using it incorrectly. Not only did he consume it everyday for years and years he also rubbed it on his body. He knew it was making him blue but he continued to abuse it instead of finding out why this was happening. I believe he enjoyed the notoriety his blue condition was giving him. He did a great disservice to those of us who make our own CS by going on all the talk shows and claiming...this is what homemade colloidal silver did to me. We are careful, that's why we are here and hopefully why newbs come here...to learn the correct why of making CS so as not to turn blue. I do not know of one person here who makes their CS in a slip-shod method...course, I cannot speak for you. ;) I personally do not take CS everyday nor would I but I'm certainly not going to criticize anyone else who may. I have enough faith in this group that they make and take CS responsibly and will guide any newbs to do the same. Please calm down...no one is ganging up on you. We are giving our opinions just like you are. Best regards, Sandy The greatest challenge to any thinker is stating the problem in a way that will allow a solution. Bertrand Russell --- On *Tue, 2/16/10, John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=jonellis.steven...@gmail.com * wrote: From: John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=jonellis.steven...@gmail.com Subject: Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS? To: silver-list@eskimo.com http://mc/compose?to=silver-l...@eskimo.com Date: Tuesday, February 16, 2010, 8:40 AM Everyone is a know-it-all. Steve Barrett is no friend of mine! Don't be careful - just do what you obviously wanna' do... Use it slip-shod. doesn't matter to me. Seems like the gang mentality is back and no one is thinking for themselves. John On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orghttp://mc/compose?to=...@deetroy.org wrote: Golly, I can't believe that a person who is supposed to know about CS and is on this list, could actually *say* this! Sounds like Quackwatch! dee On 15 Feb 2010, at 16:37, John E. Stevens wrote: Not true, Maryann. One does have to be careful - check out the Blue-Man... John On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:25 AM, MaryAnn
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Neville: The statement wasn't meant to shy folks off from using CSW. I've used it for over ten years and will continue to do so. It's just to make folks aware that CSW is a natural antibiotic and one must be careful in its use. John On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.comwrote: #I fear my last reply failed to go through so have mercilessly trimmed and sending again.# That's very impressive John, and I Thank You with considerable humility for that insight into your world. Now I feel a need to apologise for praps not making myself clearer, thus will attempt to address that here. I was actually referring to your blanket statement; Quote CSW will kill off some of the good bacteria in the intestines if used daily. end quote. Although it may be feasable for EIS to affect the bacteria, and as I understand it, it's the flora in the lower intestine, I believe it would take a considerable amount to do so, and also believe the 'type' of EIS ingested plays a large part in that eventuality. Blanket statements such as this, without suitable explanation accompanying it, can have the potential for some to be unduly concerned about their EIS intake, and could conceivably encourage them to shy away from involvement with EIS, as they tend to do when they hear, or read, blanket statements regarding argyria becoming evident with the consumption of 'CS?'. Some of the populace, dare I say MOST?, are extremely gullible hence give very little, or no consideration at all, to innumerable factors which come into play with either of these questionable eventualities. Myself, as with you seemingly, do not partake of any other 'substance?' My daily ingested amount of EIS is the sole alternative I imbibe in other than food and water for sustenance and survival. I have no doctor as such as I can't remember the last time I visited one, but then knocking on the door of 60 I'm probly still considered but a 'pup' g. I would hope the above explanation is suitable and clears up any misconception which may have been apparent in my original posting. N. -- Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:41:02 -0500 Subject: Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS? From: jonellis.steven...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Neville: I've been using CSW for about ten years. -- Find out now Link all your email accounts and social updates with Hotmail.http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/oneinbox?ocid=T162MSN05A0710G
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Not true, Maryann. One does have to be careful - check out the Blue-Man... John On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:25 AM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.netwrote: If there's one thing that has been demonstrated, over and over on this list, it's that you don't have to be careful in the use of CS. Not the kind that we make. One should be careful of *purchased* CS, and one should be careful in the use of antibiotics, drugs, etc., but the hallmark of what we do here is can't hurt, might help. FWIW MA -- *From:* John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Mon, February 15, 2010 10:16:47 AM *Subject:* Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS? Neville: The statement wasn't meant to shy folks off from using CSW. I've used it for over ten years and will continue to do so. It's just to make folks aware that CSW is a natural antibiotic and one must be careful in its use. John On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.comwrote: #I fear my last reply failed to go through so have mercilessly trimmed and sending again.# That's very impressive John, and I Thank You with considerable humility for that insight into your world. Now I feel a need to apologise for praps not making myself clearer, thus will attempt to address that here. I was actually referring to your blanket statement; Quote CSW will kill off some of the good bacteria in the intestines if used daily. end quote. Although it may be feasable for EIS to affect the bacteria, and as I understand it, it's the flora in the lower intestine, I believe it would take a considerable amount to do so, and also believe the 'type' of EIS ingested plays a large part in that eventuality. Blanket statements such as this, without suitable explanation accompanying it, can have the potential for some to be unduly concerned about their EIS intake, and could conceivably encourage them to shy away from involvement with EIS, as they tend to do when they hear, or read, blanket statements regarding argyria becoming evident with the consumption of 'CS?'. Some of the populace, dare I say MOST?, are extremely gullible hence give very little, or no consideration at all, to innumerable factors which come into play with either of these questionable eventualities. Myself, as with you seemingly, do not partake of any other 'substance?' My daily ingested amount of EIS is the sole alternative I imbibe in other than food and water for sustenance and survival. I have no doctor as such as I can't remember the last time I visited one, but then knocking on the door of 60 I'm probly still considered but a 'pup' g. I would hope the above explanation is suitable and clears up any misconception which may have been apparent in my original posting. N. -- Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:41:02 -0500 Subject: Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS? From: jonellis.steven...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Neville: I've been using CSW for about ten years. -- Find out now Link all your email accounts and social updates with Hotmail.http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/oneinbox?ocid=T162MSN05A0710G
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He thought he was making good CSW. John On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:41 AM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.netwrote: John -- the Blue Man wasn't drinking what we make here. MA -- *From:* John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Mon, February 15, 2010 10:37:04 AM *Subject:* Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS? Not true, Maryann. One does have to be careful - check out the Blue-Man... John On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:25 AM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.net wrote: If there's one thing that has been demonstrated, over and over on this list, it's that you don't have to be careful in the use of CS. Not the kind that we make. One should be careful of *purchased* CS, and one should be careful in the use of antibiotics, drugs, etc., but the hallmark of what we do here is can't hurt, might help. FWIW MA -- *From:* John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Mon, February 15, 2010 10:16:47 AM *Subject:* Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS? Neville: The statement wasn't meant to shy folks off from using CSW. I've used it for over ten years and will continue to do so. It's just to make folks aware that CSW is a natural antibiotic and one must be careful in its use. John On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.comwrote: #I fear my last reply failed to go through so have mercilessly trimmed and sending again.# That's very impressive John, and I Thank You with considerable humility for that insight into your world. Now I feel a need to apologise for praps not making myself clearer, thus will attempt to address that here. I was actually referring to your blanket statement; Quote CSW will kill off some of the good bacteria in the intestines if used daily. end quote. Although it may be feasable for EIS to affect the bacteria, and as I understand it, it's the flora in the lower intestine, I believe it would take a considerable amount to do so, and also believe the 'type' of EIS ingested plays a large part in that eventuality. Blanket statements such as this, without suitable explanation accompanying it, can have the potential for some to be unduly concerned about their EIS intake, and could conceivably encourage them to shy away from involvement with EIS, as they tend to do when they hear, or read, blanket statements regarding argyria becoming evident with the consumption of 'CS?'. Some of the populace, dare I say MOST?, are extremely gullible hence give very little, or no consideration at all, to innumerable factors which come into play with either of these questionable eventualities. Myself, as with you seemingly, do not partake of any other 'substance?' My daily ingested amount of EIS is the sole alternative I imbibe in other than food and water for sustenance and survival. I have no doctor as such as I can't remember the last time I visited one, but then knocking on the door of 60 I'm probly still considered but a 'pup' g. I would hope the above explanation is suitable and clears up any misconception which may have been apparent in my original posting. N. -- Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2010 09:41:02 -0500 Subject: Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS? From: jonellis.steven...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Neville: I've been using CSW for about ten years. -- Find out now Link all your email accounts and social updates with Hotmail.http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/oneinbox?ocid=T162MSN05A0710G
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Hey, Sol: It's sometimes difficult to get through... Ain't it? Just want folks to be on the safe side. John On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:51 AM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: At 09:02 AM 2/15/2010, you wrote: I have to agree with what John is saying here. Using high doses, or using CS constantly may affect some of the intestinal bacteria. I haven't done studies, but I believe that has been demonstrated in my own use. (Others may have had a different result...) Dan, As my post on this topic showed, my personal experience is different. I have taken LOTS of CS in a relatively long time period of over 2 years, and never had any problem with my gut bacteria that I could detect. I rarely take probiotics. In addition, though I started right up with no ramping when I started taking large quantities daily, I never experienced a herx reaction. Never had one during those high dose years, and never have had one since, even though once in a while I will still drink a pint or a quart, if there is reason to do so. Hmm. Lyme disease is on my list of possibles for some of my health conditions. I wonder if never herxing could be a reason to rule out Lyme or its co-infections? sol
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Opps... sorry Sol, thanks, Dan John On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 12:04 PM, MaryAnn Helland marmar...@bellsouth.netwrote: Ummm -- it was Dan who agreed with you. -- *From:* John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Mon, February 15, 2010 11:00:24 AM *Subject:* Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS? Hey, Sol: It's sometimes difficult to get through... Ain't it? Just want folks to be on the safe side. John On Mon, Feb 15, 2010 at 11:51 AM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: At 09:02 AM 2/15/2010, you wrote: I have to agree with what John is saying here. Using high doses, or using CS constantly may affect some of the intestinal bacteria. I haven't done studies, but I believe that has been demonstrated in my own use. (Others may have had a different result...) Dan, As my post on this topic showed, my personal experience is different. I have taken LOTS of CS in a relatively long time period of over 2 years, and never had any problem with my gut bacteria that I could detect. I rarely take probiotics. In addition, though I started right up with no ramping when I started taking large quantities daily, I never experienced a herx reaction. Never had one during those high dose years, and never have had one since, even though once in a while I will still drink a pint or a quart, if there is reason to do so. Hmm. Lyme disease is on my list of possibles for some of my health conditions. I wonder if never herxing could be a reason to rule out Lyme or its co-infections? sol
Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS?
Neville: I've been using CSW for about ten years. Maybe longer. I started by purchasing first for a couple of years and then went into making my own. I've used a few different machines and now feel I have one of the best made. Actually two. I've used it in a number of different ways. I drank it daily for about 3 - 4 years, but now only use it periodically - a couple times a week. Except, I do soak my toothbrush in it daily for ten minutes before use. And I put it on after I shave. And I'll rinse my mouth daily to kill any germs. But I do the same with H202, too. I worked with one lady in Florida who had breast cancer. I suggested CSW three times daily and Flore*essence tea (an essiac mixture) three times daily. Within six months of following this simple protocol, the oncologist's couldn't find any cancer. I used in in conjunction with a man who was going to have his cancerous kidney surgically removed in four weeks. I went at that with very heavy protocols of a number of supplements, CSW, and Flor*Essence tea, Hulda's Zapper, and at the end of the four weeks the oncologist's had to cancel the surgery - the cancer was gone. I've used in in a number of cancer cases, not only in people, but cancer and disease in animals, too, and have had good success with it. There are many other cases of cancer that I've successfully worked with, too. I lost a few cancer ridden people along the way, but usually because they didn't follow the protocols with great daily discipline, or they had been radiated and chemo-ed so much that their immune system was shot. Depending on the type of cancer, I use different protocols to go after it. I prefer to work with cancer victims as soon as they've been diagnosed and before any harmful allopathic (chemo, radiation, or surgery) treatments. It's then that I've had the most success. It's also one of my beliefs that biopsies spread cancer throughout the body's circulatory (and lymph) system as soon as a biopsy has been done - but I can't prove that. It just seems like common sense. Aside from cancer, I've used it with folks who have had bronchitis, burns, cuts, wounds, the flu, sore throats, MS, Lyme, sinusitis, and many other ailments. I also use it a number of ways in my home to kill dangerous bacteria. To me - it's a miracle in a bottle. Somewhere in my humble mind, I may falsely believe that if you use it too much, you may not be able to kill off stealth bacteria and diseases - similar to the belief that some antibiotics are resistant to certain bacterias due to too much usage of the antibiotic. Me - I take no other antibiotics. I do no OTC drugs and I take no prescriptions for anything. I deal with whatever it may be as naturally as possible. John On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Neville Munn one.red...@hotmail.comwrote: I think you'd better follow that up with an explanation of how much it *MAY* take to *POSSIBLY* do this, just in case there's anyone out there who may not be as familiar with EIS as we are and gets the wrong idea. Wild statements such as this have a tendancy to put the frighteners up people who may not know any better. There may well be some extremely savvy EIS producers and users among us, but then again, I would hope there are a LOT MORE out there who are NOT as savvy, and can come in here to learn the truth about some things EIS related, I'd hate the thought that they come in here and read the same rubbish as they can anywhere else in the public domain. I'd like to believe this group is a little better than that. Anyone who comes in here should leave public domain baggage outside and start afresh asking questions and discussing things with people who DO know a little something about EIS...did someone mention a 'movement' a little while ago? I'm not having a go either, so you don't need to jump off your bike, I just don't want to hear stuff like that in here without suitable explanation from *personal experience* rather than just making broad statements which may have been brought in here from outside sources. That way one is passing on valuable information which would assist others. If you've had a personal experience, then let's have it so I can learn something. N. -- Date: Sat, 13 Feb 2010 11:18:06 -0500 Subject: Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS? From: jonellis.steven...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com CSW will kill off some of the good bacteria in the intestines if used daily. i suggest using it whenever a cold or infection starts and when you are well, pass on it. John On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Marshalee Hallett utahpug...@gmail.comwrote: I too will catch a cold, and get UTIs, and my dog`s breath starts getting stinky again when she doesn`t get it for a week or so. CS is a preventive. I take it about 3 times a week, or more if anything is going around. Almost 14 years now! So far, so wonderful!! Marshalee On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at
CSFwd: [Rife] Re: [2] Jim Folsom to be sentenced on Monday, February 8, 2010!
-- Forwarded message -- From: M. S jedikan...@yahoo.com Date: Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 6:45 AM Subject: [Rife] Re: [2] Jim Folsom to be sentenced on Monday, February 8, 2010! To: r...@yahoogroups.com I find the whole thing disturbing. Are we government property? What makes the FDA think they have a right to tell us what we want to treat or not? I was talking to someone from Sota Instruments and they can't even advertise anymore. You have to join the community to see anything. They have a very long post there about the way the government harasses them, and this is in Canada, so it's not just this country. Colloidal silver has been completely banned in Europe. Isn't blatant tyranny grand? --- In r...@yahoogroups.com Rife%40yahoogroups.com, Angela McGuire aim...@... wrote: Would have have gotten arrested if he had all of his patients sign disclaimers or waivers?  Angie --- On Wed, 2/10/10, Richard Loyd drl...@... wrote: From: Richard Loyd drl...@... Subject: Re: [Rife] Re: Jim Folsom to be sentenced on Monday, February 8, 2010! To: r...@yahoogroups.com Rife%40yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, February 10, 2010, 9:02 PM Hi Everyone The Judge has spoken †After much deliberation over relevancy of Sentencing Guidelines, they were deemed not useable. Also the well worn issue of Victims got put down as the Judge stated how many of the letters mentioned actual benefits and no vulnerable Victims as such, no stealing. He also said†providing product they wanted.†   Judge---FDA not kept pace with alternative medicine â€The FDA needs to catch up.    Melanie did a big speech of how important it was to deter others out there that are selling these Devices. The final outcome is around 40 months starting April 2nd . The time served will factor in also. There also is a $250,000 fine and 3 yr probation. That’s most I can remember Jim has already talked to Ralph and one more thing Melanie, according to John Kirby, most likely will file an opposition to this sentencing, as she has no apparent feelings for anyone else, especially Jim. Anyway Ralph has not given up yet with this so especially if she does file that we will ask for more time to get all letters and declarations and allacution statement filed into the Court. So that will be all for this time…thanks for all your prayers and concerns.     David Folsom Rchard Loyd http://www.royalrife.com Russell wrote: and.? --- In r...@yahoogroups.com Rife%40yahoogroups.com mailto: Rife%40yahoogroups.com Rife%2540yahoogroups.com, rife_forum rifeforum@ wrote: Hi, As previously reported, Jim Folsom's sentencing started on Februrary 1 and the completion of the sentencing is scheduled for MONDAY FEBRUARY 8 at 11:30 AM. Please attend if you can. San Diego Federal Court House Front St. Broadway Judge John A. Houston, Room #11 Yahoo! Groups Links __._,_.___ Reply to sender?subject=Re:+%5B2%5D+Jim+Folsom+to+be+sentenced+on+Monday,+February+8,+2010%21| Reply to groupr...@yahoogroups.com?subject=re:+%5B2%5D+Jim+Folsom+to+be+sentenced+on+Monday,+February+8,+2010%21 Messages in this topichttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Rife/message/27069;_ylc=X3oDMTM1cHJiZHYyBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMwMjUzMwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNjA4MTQEbXNnSWQDMjcwOTIEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDdnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjY2MDk1NzMxBHRwY0lkAzI3MDY5( 8) Recent Activity: - New Membershttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Rife/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJlZHJ1NGo0BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMwMjUzMwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNjA4MTQEc2VjA3Z0bARzbGsDdm1icnMEc3RpbWUDMTI2NjA5NTczMQ--?o=6 1 Visit Your Grouphttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Rife;_ylc=X3oDMTJkZ3U4ZDdoBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMwMjUzMwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNjA4MTQEc2VjA3Z0bARzbGsDdmdocARzdGltZQMxMjY2MDk1NzMx Start a New Topichttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Rife/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJkbjA0YzA4BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMwMjUzMwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNjA4MTQEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDbnRwYwRzdGltZQMxMjY2MDk1NzMx MARKETPLACE Going Green: Your Yahoo! Groups resource for green livinghttp://us.ard.yahoo.com/SIG=14nhllohd/M=493064.13814333.13821539.13298430/D=grphealth/S=1705060814:MKP1/Y=YAHOO/EXP=1266102932/L=/B=Wab8DESO5_E-/J=1266095732283915/K=zx85TigamkzHG.ehF2wf8A/A=5922843/R=0/SIG=11ckn2mo6/*http://advision.webevents.yahoo.com/green/ [image: Yahoo! Groups]http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJjYW5iZWV1BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzMwMjUzMwRncnBzcElkAzE3MDUwNjA4MTQEc2VjA2Z0cgRzbGsDZ2ZwBHN0aW1lAzEyNjYwOTU3MzE- Switch to: Text-Onlyrife-traditio...@yahoogroups.com?subject=change+delivery+format:+Traditional, Daily Digest rife-dig...@yahoogroups.com?subject=email+delivery:+Digest • Unsubscribe rife-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com?subject=unsubscribe • Terms of Use http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . __,_._,___
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Re: CSear infection
How long have you been using the CSW? John On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Gina Moore vegasmom...@cox.net wrote: So, it seems my daughter has an ear infection. I don’t do doctors, but I am a nurse and have an otoscope and can clearly see that her ears are infected. Anyway, I give her CS everyday (about ¼ to ½ a cup), plus Vit D, cod liver oil, etc… I try to do natural remedies as much as possible! What can I do for her poor ears? I have heard of putting Hydrogen Peroxide in the ears and letting it sit for a bit, but she’s only 3 and may not do that well! I have DMSO and could do a CS/DMSO mixture – any particular ratio that seems to work best? Or is there some other remedy that would work well? I’m up for anything at this point! Thanks so much! Gina
Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS?
CSW will kill off some of the good bacteria in the intestines if used daily. i suggest using it whenever a cold or infection starts and when you are well, pass on it. John On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:37 PM, Marshalee Hallett utahpug...@gmail.comwrote: I too will catch a cold, and get UTIs, and my dog`s breath starts getting stinky again when she doesn`t get it for a week or so. CS is a preventive. I take it about 3 times a week, or more if anything is going around. Almost 14 years now! So far, so wonderful!! Marshalee On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com wrote: Anybody ever have any side effects after the STOPPED taking EIS after drinking it daily for a long time?
Re: CSear infection 02
Dr. Oz may have some good info, but I'm not a fan. He has 150,000 stocks in vaccines and I'm not a vaccine loading fan, either. seems a bit hypocitical to me. John On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.comwrote: I have done the o2 thing for years with great results, even on my small grandbabies, Debbie -- *From:* Kathy Tankersley tanke...@iland.net *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sat, February 13, 2010 9:36:28 AM *Subject:* Re: CSear infection I was watching the Dr Oz show the other day and he says his family uses the Peroxide for eat infections, also one tip from one of the audience (which Dr. OZ says is good) is to put a clove of glaric in the ear at night and take it out in the morning. Good luck,.Kathy - Original Message - *From:* Donna dscroggs44...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2010 9:09 PM *Subject:* Re: CSear infection I hope you get it cleared up she can go deaf from an ear infection, alot of my cousins are because their parents didn't do doctors either. ECHINACEA http://www.herbalremediesinfo.com/Echinacea.html Used as a tincture to reduce drainage and speed healing. GARLIC OIL http://www.herbalremediesinfo.com/GARLIC.html Is applied to a cotton ball and placed inside ear to help fight infection. Put few drops of garlic juice into the infected ear. Use blow dryer from about 12 to 15 inches from your head, this will remove any water trapped in the Eustachian tube. Put some olive oil on the warm spoon; put 2 to 3 drops of this in each ear. Put few drops of lobelia extract into the infected ear and rub it gently. Wash your ear using colloidal silver, it is a natural antibiotic. Slightly warm one teaspoon of juice of the mango leaf and put it into the infected ear drop by drop. Take vitamin C to boost your immune system, it will help you to combat infection. Increase Zinc intake, it reduces ear infection. Eat a healthy diet with lots of calcium in it. Avoid processed foods and hydrogenated oils. Donna ACS So, it seems my daughter has an ear infection. I don’t do doctors, but I am a nurse and have an otoscope and can clearly see that her ears are infected. Anyway, I give her CS everyday (about ¼ to ½ a cup), plus Vit D, cod liver oil, etc… I try to do natural remedies as much as possible! What can I do for her poor ears? I have heard of putting Hydrogen Peroxide in the ears and letting it sit for a bit, but she’s only 3 and may not do that well! I have DMSO and could do a CS/DMSO mixture – any particular ratio that seems to work best? Or is there some other remedy that would work well? I’m up for anything at this point! Thanks so much! Gina
Re: CSFwd: Safer Milk With Silver Nanoparticles
Dave: It's obvious you may not be aware of where the mucus builds up. Not only in your lungs and throat, but in your intestinal track. and none of the mucus is good anywhere. We're not milk bashers,' just aware of the dangers of both homog/past and raw milk. You, obviously, can think and believe what you wish, but milk is just another junk food, as has been proven scientifically by Dr. William Campbell Douglass II and other scientists and doctors. Rice or coconut milk is much better for anyone. John On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: Lisa ,John,Dee and all other milk bashers; Since every one is different a blanket statement like that is not always true. I have never had a mucous build up from milk. It's the only thing that makes me feel refreshed, Not water or juice. I drink a tall glass with every meal and sometimes in between. Back in the good old days about 45 years ago I was a heavy drinker. I was snowed-in in Idaho for a winter and the tavern owner in the ghost town (seasonal) left the bunker keys, where he stored the beer,with me as he thought I would go into withdrawal and we could settle up in the spring. I never opened the bunker,the only thing I craved was a tall cold glass of milk so I walked and skied 16 miles to a dairy farm and packed home two gallons of milk,OH WAS that good! Dave On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net wrote: And yes I guess that was my fault believing that that part was “understood”. Raw milk is way better for you than store bought…but still one should never use it as their primary source liquid (due to the mucous factor). L -- *From:* John E. Stevens [mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Friday, February 12, 2010 12:13 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSFwd: Safer Milk With Silver Nanoparticles Not really... better than the super homenized and the super pasteurized, but who ever told you milk, even raw milk is good for you? Too much mucus formation from all of it - raw - or the other junk food. John On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net wrote: Ah…but *raw* milk IS good for you! L -- *From:* John E. Stevens [mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:18 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSFwd: Safer Milk With Silver Nanoparticles Hi, Sandee: The Chinese may have not known anything about colloidal silver water killing bacteria in milk until recently. Personally, I think milk is junk food and I never drink it. At first I went to Rice Milk and eventually to Coconut Milk which is what I use on my cereal these days. Our milk in the states is too over processed - over pasteurizd and over homogenized. From my research there isn't anything good, nutrient-wise, that one can digest and metabolize. The vitamin D, calcium and other nutrients just wash through the body unused, for the most part. The enzymes in the milk are dead, so there is no way to digest it. Milk causes too much mucus to build up in the body. And the mucus is not good. Sad, because I am a cheese lover. Yes, I am a Hulda R. Clark reader and follower and what she had to say about milk is correct. Dr. William Campbell Douglass II says the same thing, but there are so many folks in this country, and other countries, that falsely believe milk is 'good for you, it's hard getting the truth out there. Off with that phony milk mustache John On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Sandee George oha...@juno.com wrote: Hi There John, EIS is a preservative, it is an anti bacterial, so why would it take so long for them to use it in milk, since I started making EIS, if I do have any milk around, the first thing that happens is about 6 drops of EIS goes into the bottle/carton and it keeps, and I know it is rid of any impurities that may be there, if you have read and studied Hulda Clark's work she makes it very clear what milk contains and why adults do not need, and in fact use milk to their detriment Knowledge unused is a waste of time Regards Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSeffects of STOPPING EIS?
Are you sure, Sol? Where is your proof? John On Sat, Feb 13, 2010 at 11:40 AM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: At 09:18 AM 2/13/2010, you wrote: CSW will kill off some of the good bacteria in the intestines if used daily. i suggest using it whenever a cold or infection starts and when you are well, pass on it. Nope, it does not. Not in humans. sol
Re: CSzapper
It wasn't Andy Warhol - it was Salvador Dali - Surrealist painter. John On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com wrote: Andy Warhol is the guy who painted abstract stuff like clocks oozing over the edge of something. Just weird stuff. I think he would have enjoyed a shirt with a sleeve on the neck and an inside out zipper... :-) - Original Message From: leslie leslie1...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Fri, February 12, 2010 11:26:51 AM Subject: Re: CSzapper Who is Andy Warhol? It was funny messing up like I did but why I am not sure. I am thinking that I think too much or ponder on too much detail. - Original Message - From: Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, February 12, 2010 5:44 AM Subject: Re: CSzapper What, were you making a shirt for Andy Warhol? - Original Message From: leslie leslie1...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thu, February 11, 2010 7:36:49 PM Subject: Re: CSzapper Geez. that makes me feel really stupid. I should know there are 12 inches in 1 foot. I was also pretty good at sewing once I figured out a sleeve didn't belong on the neck and a zipper had to be zipped on the outside instead of the inside. was perfectly sewed in though. LOL - Original Message - From: Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 6:13 PM Subject: Re: CSzapper Leslie, There are 12 inches in 1 foot. That should help with figuring it out... Maybe you prefer metric measurements. 1 inch is 2.54cm. Round it out to 2.5cm per inch. Yes, Zappers work fine. Dan On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 5:26 PM, Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net wrote: Any experiences here on using a zapper? I am still trying to figure out the best way to get the silver I need. I have to get those clip things from Utopia for their generator but want to buy some by the foot. Checked on one company but they sell by the inch. that baffled me. Anyway just takes me awhile to figure out. Would like a water distiller also and have for a couple of years; hopefully can get one soon. Gets expensive buying the gallons and the quality stinks. Leslie -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFwd: Safer Milk With Silver Nanoparticles
Not really... better than the super homenized and the super pasteurized, but who ever told you milk, even raw milk is good for you? Too much mucus formation from all of it - raw - or the other junk food. John On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net wrote: Ah…but *raw* milk IS good for you! L -- *From:* John E. Stevens [mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:18 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSFwd: Safer Milk With Silver Nanoparticles Hi, Sandee: The Chinese may have not known anything about colloidal silver water killing bacteria in milk until recently. Personally, I think milk is junk food and I never drink it. At first I went to Rice Milk and eventually to Coconut Milk which is what I use on my cereal these days. Our milk in the states is too over processed - over pasteurizd and over homogenized. From my research there isn't anything good, nutrient-wise, that one can digest and metabolize. The vitamin D, calcium and other nutrients just wash through the body unused, for the most part. The enzymes in the milk are dead, so there is no way to digest it. Milk causes too much mucus to build up in the body. And the mucus is not good. Sad, because I am a cheese lover. Yes, I am a Hulda R. Clark reader and follower and what she had to say about milk is correct. Dr. William Campbell Douglass II says the same thing, but there are so many folks in this country, and other countries, that falsely believe milk is 'good for you, it's hard getting the truth out there. Off with that phony milk mustache John On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Sandee George oha...@juno.com wrote: Hi There John, EIS is a preservative, it is an anti bacterial, so why would it take so long for them to use it in milk, since I started making EIS, if I do have any milk around, the first thing that happens is about 6 drops of EIS goes into the bottle/carton and it keeps, and I know it is rid of any impurities that may be there, if you have read and studied Hulda Clark's work she makes it very clear what milk contains and why adults do not need, and in fact use milk to their detriment Knowledge unused is a waste of time Regards Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFwd: Safer Milk With Silver Nanoparticles
I agree, Richard. And breast milk would be better forall of us - if we want milk. John On Fri, Feb 12, 2010 at 12:17 PM, Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com wrote: I have heard that before -- that milk is really not good for people at all. Good for baby cows, but not for humans, even babies. The 3 advantages of mother's milk over store-bought milk: 1. It's always ready 2. It's always the right temperature 3. Comes in more attractive containers -- *From:* John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Fri, February 12, 2010 12:13:27 PM *Subject:* Re: CSFwd: Safer Milk With Silver Nanoparticles Not really... better than the super homenized and the super pasteurized, but who ever told you milk, even raw milk is good for you? Too much mucus formation from all of it - raw - or the other junk food. John On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net wrote: Ah…but *raw* milk IS good for you! L -- *From:* John E. Stevens [mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Thursday, February 11, 2010 12:18 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSFwd: Safer Milk With Silver Nanoparticles Hi, Sandee: The Chinese may have not known anything about colloidal silver water killing bacteria in milk until recently. Personally, I think milk is junk food and I never drink it. At first I went to Rice Milk and eventually to Coconut Milk which is what I use on my cereal these days. Our milk in the states is too over processed - over pasteurizd and over homogenized. From my research there isn't anything good, nutrient-wise, that one can digest and metabolize. The vitamin D, calcium and other nutrients just wash through the body unused, for the most part. The enzymes in the milk are dead, so there is no way to digest it. Milk causes too much mucus to build up in the body. And the mucus is not good. Sad, because I am a cheese lover. Yes, I am a Hulda R. Clark reader and follower and what she had to say about milk is correct. Dr. William Campbell Douglass II says the same thing, but there are so many folks in this country, and other countries, that falsely believe milk is 'good for you, it's hard getting the truth out there. Off with that phony milk mustache John On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Sandee George oha...@juno.com wrote: Hi There John, EIS is a preservative, it is an anti bacterial, so why would it take so long for them to use it in milk, since I started making EIS, if I do have any milk around, the first thing that happens is about 6 drops of EIS goes into the bottle/carton and it keeps, and I know it is rid of any impurities that may be there, if you have read and studied Hulda Clark's work she makes it very clear what milk contains and why adults do not need, and in fact use milk to their detriment Knowledge unused is a waste of time Regards Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSFwd: Safer Milk With Silver Nanoparticles
-- Forwarded message -- From: Steve Barwick s...@publishers-mgmt.com Date: Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 11:54 PM Subject: Safer Milk With Silver Nanoparticles To: jonellis.steven...@gmail.com Hi, Steve Barwick here, for www.TheSilverEdge.com... Scientists in China have now figured out a way to use tiny silver nanoparticles to detect whether or not milk has been tainted with toxic melamine. But as you know, certain environmentalist groups with ties to Big Pharma have been trying to force the EPA to heavily regulate silver nanoparticles, in spite of the fact that they’re completely harmless at levels used in business and industry. I'd like to point out that incredibly beneficial and ultimately *lifesaving*technological breakthroughs like this cannot be achieved under excessive government regulation. There comes a point at which we need to tell some of these sky is falling environmentalist groups to sit down and shut up, and let science and industry discover and innovate like they're supposed to, for the greater good of humanity! Many thousands of lives can be saved because of this one simple, new innovation – but only if silver nanoparticles are not regulated into oblivion. See more on this important story on the Colloidal Silver Secrets blog at this linkhttp://colloidalsilversecrets.blogspot.com/2010/02/so-now-science-has-discovered-way-to.html . Regards, Steve Barwick -- This email was sent to: jonellis.steven...@gmail.com If you do not wish to recieve any future emails from us, simply click the link below that says Don't send me any more email Don't send me any more emailhttps://server.publishers-mgmt.com/se/mkt/out.php?email=jonellis.steven...@gmail.com or copy and paste the following link into your browsers url bar https://server.publishers-mgmt.com/se/mkt/out.php
Re: CSFwd: Safer Milk With Silver Nanoparticles
Hi, Sandee: The Chinese may have not known anything about colloidal silver water killing bacteria in milk until recently. Personally, I think milk is junk food and I never drink it. At first I went to Rice Milk and eventually to Coconut Milk which is what I use on my cereal these days. Our milk in the states is too over processed - over pasteurizd and over homogenized. From my research there isn't anything good, nutrient-wise, that one can digest and metabolize. The vitamin D, calcium and other nutrients just wash through the body unused, for the most part. The enzymes in the milk are dead, so there is no way to digest it. Milk causes too much mucus to build up in the body. And the mucus is not good. Sad, because I am a cheese lover. Yes, I am a Hulda R. Clark reader and follower and what she had to say about milk is correct. Dr. William Campbell Douglass II says the same thing, but there are so many folks in this country, and other countries, that falsely believe milk is 'good for you, it's hard getting the truth out there. Off with that phony milk mustache John On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Sandee George oha...@juno.com wrote: Hi There John, EIS is a preservative, it is an anti bacterial, so why would it take so long for them to use it in milk, since I started making EIS, if I do have any milk around, the first thing that happens is about 6 drops of EIS goes into the bottle/carton and it keeps, and I know it is rid of any impurities that may be there, if you have read and studied Hulda Clark's work she makes it very clear what milk contains and why adults do not need, and in fact use milk to their detriment Knowledge unused is a waste of time Regards Sandee -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSzapper
Yes, I've been using a Zapper for over six years. John On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net wrote: Any experiences here on using a zapper? I am still trying to figure out the best way to get the silver I need. I have to get those clip things from Utopia for their generator but want to buy some by the foot. Checked on one company but they sell by the inch. that baffled me. Anyway just takes me awhile to figure out. Would like a water distiller also and have for a couple of years; hopefully can get one soon. Gets expensive buying the gallons and the quality stinks. Leslie
Re: CSFwd: Safer Milk With Silver Nanoparticles
There were times I drank raw last summer - and before. It's the mucus factor that concerns me. John On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 1:30 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: You can get raw milk in the States. dee On 11 Feb 2010, at 17:18, John E. Stevens wrote: Hi, Sandee: The Chinese may have not known anything about colloidal silver water killing bacteria in milk until recently. Personally, I think milk is junk food and I never drink it. At first I went to Rice Milk and eventually to Coconut Milk which is what I use on my cereal these days. Our milk in the states is too over processed - over pasteurizd and over homogenized. From my research there isn't anything good, nutrient-wise, that one can digest and metabolize. The vitamin D, calcium and other nutrients just wash through the body unused, for the most part. The enzymes in the milk are dead, so there is no way to digest it. Milk causes too much mucus to build up in the body. And the mucus is not good. Sad, because I am a cheese lover. Yes, I am a Hulda R. Clark reader and follower and what she had to say about milk is correct. Dr. William Campbell Douglass II says the same thing, but there are so many folks in this country, and other countries, that falsely believe milk is 'good for you, it's hard getting the truth out there. Off with that phony milk mustache John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHGH Stacks and Secretagogues
I've been using an HGH activator for about five years. My hair which was all gray by the time I was 30 is now all blond again at 68. I find no downsides to the HGH I'm using and early on I tried a few, but have stuck with the one I'm using for the last five years. I read the info supplied by my dealer and much of what was listed has happened in time. John On Tue, Feb 9, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: Does anyone have any actual info on HGH supplement theory? I'm looking into it but am finding a lot of hype and it is difficult to know where to find good info. As far as products, I certainly want something less than $50 per month. I can find some amino acid stacks, and some with less aminos and some secretagogues, but with more hormone precursors which will probably not be tolerable, etc... Dan As far as hormone precursors, see below: Must work but I stopped taking it, June 20, 2008 By Anonymous I started taking 5 pills a day and soon after my wife requested me to stop. I definitely found this product gave me a short temper. It was likely doing what it supposed to but soon the little things my wife was doing kept getting on my nerves. Like breathing in and out, in and out. :) I may try a smaller dosage in the future once my wifes bags are unpacked. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFwd: request your help
Seems like you're the scaremonger and name-caller. I don't pay any attention to your nonsense. You're a bad joke! John On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 9:46 PM, Alchemysa da...@alchemysa.com.au wrote: The problem is that Barwick/Jones newsletters and readouts are scaremongering, misleading bull. Furthermore he writes in that miracle cure/snake oil style that will bring the FDA down on the whole CS business. How does that help' the movement'? David From: John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com Date: 9 February 2010 6:13:07 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSFwd: request your help Do you ever get any read-outs or newsletters from any CSW machine makers that overall help the CSW movement? I've never seen another one on this list. John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSbromine in breads
Dee: you sound like a rebellious woman. Hmmnnn. You sound like you're in a dangerous health situation with your eating habits. At this later stage in life (68 yrs), there is NOTHING more important than what you eat and the water you drink that you put in your body. Cooking is one of the most important things you can do - and cooking correctly is the mot important thing you can do for the temple. As an artist, teacher and musician, I used to think that my work superseded everything else I did, but I was wrong. When a disease hit me in my early 30's which the doctors couldn't cure, it wised me up to just how important our nutrient intake is. If I recall correctly, you mentioned you were not feeling well at one point and stopped taking your supplements. If I were you, I'd look at my food intake first as the major problem. It's nice to be aware that CSW works to kill many bacterias, etc., but prevention of disease comes with food, nutrient and supplemental usage. i'm not the best of house cleaners, either, but food - nothing is more important. John On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 6:39 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: This sounds like a very industrious, busy person! The reason I am overweight is because I can't be bothered to eat well, and just grab a piece of plastic bread and stick some jam on it! I HATE cooking more than anything else, even more than housework! dee On 7 Feb 2010, at 21:31, Tad Winiecki wrote: Sol wrote: Sol- I have found that gluten is a problem for me, and had to give up wheat breads. I used to make sourdough, I don't really miss it because I know what it will do to me if I eat it, but I had a little attack of nostalgia recently. One of the supermarket women's magazines recently featured a diet free from gluten, saying gluten causes unhealthy weight gain and the gluten-free grains don't. So I do eat some gluten-free grains, like buckwheat, quinoa, rice, millet, and amaranth. I don't try to make breads out of them for the most part, but eat them just cooked in water, with savory vegetables like onion, garlic, and some mushrooms, and some vegetable accompaniment like zucchini, broccoli, asparagus, spinach, kale, etc. I also like them with some herbal topping (present fav- fennel seed ground in a coffee grinder, dillweed, and parmesan cheese) or lemon pepper, and melted cheese or sour cream. I use either tea (for the caffeine to speed up the metabolism) or honey and apple cider vinegar as an aid to losing weight, they seem to be working for me. For my birthday cake last time I made pumpkin cheese cake with no grains, sweetened with stevia, and with nut, cinnamon, and stevia crust, and topped it with vanilla whipping cream sweetened with stevia. It was yummy. Nancy -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: silver help with lymes type?
There is a book written by an MD (I can't recall his name, damn) who cured his Lyme with colloidal silver water. John On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 8:14 PM, poast po...@prodigy.net wrote: Hello Greg, You may find this article informative... http://www.hempusa.org/ABL/Human_Studies/Lymes%27s%20Testimonial.pdf Tom - Original Message - *From:* Greg Ball granb...@msn.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Saturday, February 06, 2010 5:37 PM *Subject:* CSRE: silver help with lymes type? Dick - what type of silver were you using - what generator? I've always heard silver isn't a cure for lyme. Did you and the others you mentioned have it for long? I've had it for over 20 years - was misdiagnosed for about 17 years. I have a silvergen, and it's not made much of a difference with the lyme when I've used it for some time. That's why I was wondering about the ACS. Also you see mesosilver out there on the web saying it's the most effective kind of silver out there. So I was wondering if there's a silver that can be more effective than my silvergen makes like the two above mentioned. Thanks It cured my lyme, and my wife's, and the guy's who taught me how to make CS, and hosts of other people he has cured... Dick -- *From:* Greg Ball granb...@msn.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Fri, February 5, 2010 11:18:28 PM *Subject:* CSRE: silver-digest Digest V2010 #161 I'm dealing with late stage lyme disease and babesia. I have a silvergen and have used silver for 20 years for infections like bladder or lung infections. I've been hearing about silver for lyme, but it's the doctor who developed the ACS brand of silver who's saying it can kill lyme. I've always heard silver won't eradicate lyme. I'm wondering if you think it can reduce my bacteria load, and the protazoan load (babesia). If so, is ACS better than other brands? Or is there a better brand? Or is my silvergen silver as good? Thanks!
CSFwd: request your help
-- Forwarded message -- From: Steve Barwick stevebarw...@sbcglobal.net Date: Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:15 AM Subject: request your help To: Steve Barwick stevebarw...@sbcglobal.net I just started a new Facebook group called the Colloidal Silver Secrets Group. The idea of the group is to give colloidal silver users a forum from which they can discuss their own use of colloidal silver -- i.e., why they use it, how they use it, what their results are, etc. Before I officially launch the group, I'm trying to seed it with group members, so it won't look so empty when new readers come to check it out. If you're a Facebook member, I'd really appreciate it if you'd consider going to this linkhttp://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=photosgid=285212734559#%21/group.php?v=wallgid=285212734559and joining my new Colloidal Silver Secrets group, and maybe even posting a comment about your own usage of colloidal silver -- particularly if you have something positive to share. Thanks for helping me get things rolling! Steve Barwick
Re: CSFwd: request your help
It isn't a scare technique. The EU will dispose of CSW in evolutionary steps over a period of time - not in a one-time shot deal. Like the way King Pharma came into credibility discrediting homepathic doctors in the early 19th century. It's progressive evolution - please keep an eye on it. I think Steve's ideas are very good and with much more integrity than most money gobbling CSW machine makers. I don't see any of them doing anything for the movement. John On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:24 AM, John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Steve Barwick stevebarw...@sbcglobal.net Date: Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:15 AM Subject: request your help To: Steve Barwick stevebarw...@sbcglobal.net I just started a new Facebook group called the Colloidal Silver Secrets Group. The idea of the group is to give colloidal silver users a forum from which they can discuss their own use of colloidal silver -- i.e., why they use it, how they use it, what their results are, etc. Before I officially launch the group, I'm trying to seed it with group members, so it won't look so empty when new readers come to check it out. If you're a Facebook member, I'd really appreciate it if you'd consider going to this linkhttp://www.facebook.com/group.php?v=photosgid=285212734559#%21/group.php?v=wallgid=285212734559and joining my new Colloidal Silver Secrets group, and maybe even posting a comment about your own usage of colloidal silver -- particularly if you have something positive to share. Thanks for helping me get things rolling! Steve Barwick
Re: CSFDA approval [Trigger word, beware of rant]
Very good points, ladies. The med schools have been skewed since the early 1900's when JD Rockefeller owned most of King Pharma. He, and Abraham Fletchner pushed a law through Congress around 1910 that made using foods and nutrients as medicines illegal. Then with his multi-million dollar grants to all of the med schools, he controlled the curriculum that doctors studied. Now, David Rockefeller, his grandson, owns (much in the shadows) at least 85% of all the pharmaceutical companies. And the line goes on and on. It's my philosophy that one needs to carefully look at their own health (individualistically) and the health history of their immediate families to detect any health weaknesses that may afflict them. At that point, one can research the possibility of preventing that possible affliction with foods and nutrients. Herbs and plants could be used, but one needs to carefully research them prior to use. I think prevention is the main key to good health - aside from eating the right foods and drinking pure water. We cannot avoid some of the dangers of technological advances (or de-vances) and pollution, but we can strengthen our overall systems to combat them. It's a big fight in remaining healthy in a sick world... John On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 1:03 PM, Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.comwrote: I dunno Ode, I don't think most doctors are the good guys. MOST of them don't even question the garbage they're taught in medical school. They don't look for underlying cause of disease, or learn anything new, or look at the newest research. They'll tell you it's all in your head when they have the lab work in front of them that tells the story, then they try to fob you off by throwing drug cocktails at you, or antidepressants. There are a FEW doctors out there, out of the many who do try to learn new ways and information, but they ARE few. And I know for a fact the big Pharma pays what amounts to bribes, in education grants and research grants, for the different medical societies to support their drugs by writing prescriptions and squashing any natural substance that might be a better solution. Even something as simple as the nutrients in food a scoffed at as a way back to health. And doctors are not trained at all in nutrition. They're trained to write scripts for conditions.The various medical publications censor anything that challenges the status quo. Just look at the dust up over Armour vs Synthroid, and that's just ONE example. A licensed MD did research on why people were showing signs of Hypothyroidism even when the lab tests say they're fine, and got solid data, and the Medical Journal he sent it to would not publish it, because they say it can't be right, even with hard data from thousands of patients. In my opinion the AMA, FDA, and Pharmas need to be sued for collusion until they don't have a pot to pee in, as the saying goes. The AMA, and the FDA have made the pharmaceutical industry king as you say. And anyone who threatens their profit will get run over and run out of the medical profession on a rail, and probably be discredited and lose their license as well. Just look what happened to that poor guy who sells Cansema. The FDA lied and cheated to illegally have him brought back to the US. That man hasn't killed anyone. But medical doctors and FDA approved drugs have, and not one of them are in jail for murder. And as far as I'm concerned it IS murder. And yes herbs are nothing to play with, they are very powerful, but generally speaking safer than the synthetic unnatural chemicals that are man made. I believe this to be true because the whole plant has things in it that work together. I also believe that there are plants that can cure just about anything that ails mankind. Because the plants evolved with us. That's why the GMO stuff is so dangerous. Man playing God. Whatever Universal Intelligence or God you worship and believe in, mankind thinks they can do better than that being. They try to make man made molecules because they can't become rich and profit from other's misfortune, so they create a chemical disaster. I am sure that yes, doctors and drugs have helped many, but they have the blood of many on their hands as well. And yeah the pharmaceutical industry bases some of their drugs on plants, but they're still an unnatural molecule, and generally based on one chemical from a plant, when plants have may chemicals in them. So why would a synthetic man made version of what is natural in the plant be better than the natural chemical? Just look at Synthroid, it's a mirror of the human thyroid hormone, and by mirror I mean it's exactly the same but it's backwards. Some people do alright with it, and others it does nothing for at all. But they'll tell you it's all in your head if you say it's not doing what it's supposed to do. But there have been several lawsuits against the manufacturer because it makes people's hair fall out,
Re: CSFwd: request your help
Do you ever get any read-outs or newsletters from any CSW machine makers that overall help the CSW movement? I've never seen another one on this list. John On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: Who do you mean? And how do you know they aren't? dee On 8 Feb 2010, at 15:02, John E. Stevens wrote: It isn't a scare technique. The EU will dispose of CSW in evolutionary steps over a period of time - not in a one-time shot deal. Like the way King Pharma came into credibility discrediting homepathic doctors in the early 19th century. It's progressive evolution - please keep an eye on it. I think Steve's ideas are very good and with much more integrity than most money gobbling CSW machine makers. I don't see any of them doing anything for the movement. John On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 8:24 AM, John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com wrote:
Re: CSFwd: request your help
Defense... defense... Bah... humbug... John On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: Doesn't mean to say they *aren't* doing anything though. And if they aren't, then that is up to them I feel.dee On 8 Feb 2010, at 19:43, John E. Stevens wrote: Do you ever get any read-outs or newsletters from any CSW machine makers that overall help the CSW movement? I've never seen another one on this list. John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFwd: request your help
Understandable, Mike. Although I do think folks who are making money from CSW and from CSW machines should take a stand and support the movement to understanding the power of CSW. I think Steve is doing an admirable job of it. Thanks. John On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 11:36 AM, M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com wrote: Thanks for forwarding that report/request, John. A tactical suggestion from me: If anyone chooses to participate, please do so. Telling our personal stories about silver use in a sympathetic public forum is a good way to balance some of the bias that's out there. While doing so, please don't be in any way adversarial with other people or with Mr. Barwick. I'd rather we maintain a supportive relationship with others in the alternative health movement. When people come here for information, we'll tell them what we believe and where it differs from others' ideas and let them make up their own minds. That's our main mission, not campaigning for our point of view. Thank you, Mike D. da list owner guy [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFDA approval
Sol: The FDA and King Pharma trade representatives (individuals) back and forth like playing checkers. One drug rep goes to the FDA as one FDA rep goes to King Pharma. They're all in cahoots and I don't trust anything they do. Their tests are skewed in favor of whatever company has paid them the most. Money talks and good health walks. Hypertension is often indicative of a heart and circulatory problem - not a high blood pressure problem. Just what are these idiots analyzing, anyway? They don't treat the real problem, they treat one of the symptoms of the real problem. Allopathic medicine seems to side-step most of the real health concerns of most individuals. I think the human physiologists (i.e., Hulda R. Clark) may be more on the right track. They study the entire body. With King Pharma controlling (and they have since the early 1900's) most of the curriculum that med students study at med school, I don't have much faith in where they're headed - which is mostly to make more money for King Pharma and their constituents while good folks think they're being treated well - when in fact they're being treated on a continual basis just to ensure more payments to the King. and usually treated poorly. Do they cure? No. just treat. And mostly, they treat until you die. Wonderful principles, huh? It's so far off track it's dizzying. Whatever happened to the Hippocratic Oath? I think it's more of a Hypocritical Oath these days... I think everyone has to ask the very serious question: Where does our health come from? Chemicals or foods? Are our bodies more used to being healed and treated with food or pharmaceutical drugs? We can't and don't live off drugs and chemicals. Our bodies would never sustain itself on drugs and chemicals. We get our nutrients and sustenance from foods - and that is where the majority of natural cures are found. In balancing out exactly what nutrients our body (and that's very individualistic) needs to not only prevent disease, but to treat and cure (that four letter word never used by King Pharma...) disease. That cannot be found in chemicals and pharmaceutical drugs. and I don't think it ever will be... John On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 12:44 PM, sol sol...@sweetwaterhsa.com wrote: At 01:25 PM 2/6/2010, you wrote: Dick: The fact that most people won't touch anything that isn't approved by the FDA, as you say, doesn't carry much weight with the folks who know the power of silver. Doesn't carry much weight with me for sure, since my brother nearly died from an FDA approved blood pressure med that did kill several others who took it. sol
Re: CSFDA approval
Dick: I think you're daydreaming... I don't think CSW (silver) will ever be approved by the FDA because it isn't patentable and King Pharma couldn't make any money on it. Silver was used as a natural antibiotic extensively before pharmaceuticals came (sickly) into their own. The fact that most people won't touch anything that isn't approved by the FDA, as you say, doesn't carry much weight with the folks who know the power of silver. And anything approved by the FDA is something I, personally, wouldn't use. Not even aspirin... What the FDA approves is very dangerous to life and living, as is exemplified over and over again. John On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 11:12 AM, Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.comwrote: I understand that. Most people won't touch anything that isn't approved by all the TLAs out there: FDA, AMA, FTC, ... But if silver were FDA approved, then it could be given the legitimacy of advertising, doctor Rx, etc., that the other meds have. And best of all, we would own all the proceeds, not big pharma. But that would be just icing on the cake. It would require that somebody set up a company to do the work, and that it have thousands of investors to fund it. I would certainly contribute. Dick -- *From:* martsmai...@aol.com martsmai...@aol.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Fri, February 5, 2010 10:21:03 PM *Subject:* Re: CSFDA approval By the time we convince the rest of the world. We will all be dead. How many people have you told and they think it is crazy. I used to tell people that were dying of mesothelioma to help improve their immune system. Remember these people are dying. Very few listen... In a message dated 2/5/2010 6:52:51 P.M. Central Standard Time, dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com writes: There has been a LOT of discussion about FDA approvals and what it takes to get them and how much it costs, etc. OK, so? How many people are there now who make their own EIS? How many people are there in addition who might want to use it if it were FDA approved? Hundreds? Thousands? More? Individually we do not have the resources of a large pharmaceutical company, but together, all thousands of us, maybe we could put together the wherewithall to do the research, conduct the tests, and perfect a product that could be FDA approved! Why not? Any interest out there, besides me? Dick -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CScancer and baking soda
I'd detox three times a day with Flor*Essence, a special brand of Essiac tea. 2 oz of tea and 2 oz of pure (non-chlorinated Spring water heated stovetop - not nuked) Spring water 1 hour before breakfast, 1 hour before lunch and just before retiring. I'd drink two oz of CSW three times a day in between detoxing. A good start. Take 10 grams of vitamin C over the course of the day with meals. Vit C is an excellent cancer preventative and was used by Linus Pauling at his cancer institute to treat terminal cancer patients. Vit D3, Epicor, cod liver oil are good additions, too. As much natural home made juice (beet, celery, carrot, cabbage) as you can drink. John On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Leslie leslie1...@windstream.net wrote: What are your ideas to rid one of cancer or even cancer developing? I am taking fluconazole for 14 days to rid of fungus. That is all I know that I have, but was worried that cancer was developing. Thanks, leslie3...@windstream.net - Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@windstream.net To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:18 AM Subject: CScancer and baking soda Cancer is not a fungus, it is a DNA replication malfunction that can be triggered by numerous things. There is much evidence that weaker cancer cells cannot live in an alkaline environment and Baking Soda is a Base [alkaline] substance. While it is probable that a fungus cannot live there either, the fungus is not the cancer. The Zapper doesn't electrify the blood as some claim. As with making CS, electron transfer in a liquid [aka electrical current], is carried out by chemical reaction chains with charged state ions carrying the electrons around...it's not like electrons bumping each other down a wire. Applying DC current to a bucket of salt water via electrodes that don't emit their own ions produces Hypochlorous Acid on one pole [ a germicide and fungicide..oxidizer] and Sodium Hydroxide...[a base.] on the other pole. Your blood is a bucket of salt water. Where you put which electrode controls where what chemical is produced. How much power applied controls how much chemical. When the two chemicals meet as blood circulation mixes them together, they make salt again. For more direct targeting, one could insert a thin platinum or similar inert metal probe into a feeder vein. There is also such a thing as electrical inductance using magnetic fields and radio waves...electromagnetics. Beamed radio waves can be aimed to converge and/or timed by frequency to pulsate with a sympathetic resonance to create hot spots where electrical current can be induced with more power focused there than on any of the entry pathways. If sound canceling tech can be tweeked to make a speaker in mid air...[and it can] Get the idea? Ode At 02:13 PM 1/1/2010 -0800, you wrote: The Italian oncologist, Dr. Simoncini, (watch on Youtube) was curing lung cancer by using baking soda. He claims that cancer is a fungus, and his videos show the cancer turning back pink again and going away. He was curing stage 4 cancers until they took his licence away. A serious danger to the cancer industry. If he is correct that cancer is a fungus, and soda will kill it, then it should also kill black mold, which certainly is a fungus also. If I had it I would dilute baking soda in water and use a nebulizer to breath it. By the way, I used a solution of dissolved baking soda and DMSO, 50/50, about twice a day for a month, on a brown mole that was turning black and bleeding, and it totally disappeared. Never had it looked at or diagnosed, so cannot claim it was cancer. Dick - Original Message - From: mailto:kmartjo...@aol.comkmartjo...@aol.com To: mailto:silver-list@eskimo.comsilver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Friday, January 01, 2010 11:06 AM Subject: Fwd: CS.we don't KNOW what would have happened had we NOT taken CS. IAspergillosis is an incurable disease of the lungs caused by fungal Aspergillus. It is treated using compounds called azoles but researchers at The University of Manchester have found that the fungus has been able to mutate making treatment ineffective. The research, published in the prestigious US journal Emerging Infectious Diseases, showed that 13 out of 14 affected patients recently treated by the team did not respond to therapy and that numerous mutations were responsible. -- From: chube...@yahoo.com Reply-to: silver-list@eskimo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: 1/1/2010 12:43:29 P.M. Central Standard Time Subj: Re: CS.we donapos;t KNOW what would have happened had we NOT taken CS. fungal_disease.pdf -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver
Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth
Who's TCM? John On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 10:26 AM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: What does TCM theory say about male pattern baldness? Is it considered to be a deficiency or excess condition, or just something that you live with - like 2 arms, 2 legs, one head, etc? Dan On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:59 AM, Vigilius Haufniensis thehatefuln...@comcast.net wrote: bones and teeth are supported by foundational essence, according to traditional chinese medicine theory. hair is supported by foundational essence and blood. - Original Message - From: sms s...@emotap.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 7:37 AM Subject: Re: CSHair Growth?. . . .and Bone Growth Right! According to the article below they prevent and reverse bone loss. Did you know? http://www.osteopenia3.com/Osteopenia-dried-plums.html While the article is long it is well worth the read. Here is an excerpt that may peak your interest: SNIP . . . . .Aside from existing drug therapies, certain lifestyle and nutritional factors are known to reduce the risk of osteoporosis. Among nutritional factors, recent observations suggest that dried plum, or prunes (Prunus domestica L.) is the most effective fruit in both preventing and reversing bone loss. Sasha --- From: Del Subject: Re: CSHair Growth? That's not the only thing they increase! Del -- From: Norton, Steve Subject: Re: CSHair Growth? Prunes have been found to ingrease HGH. Steve N -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNanosilver migrates...
Dee: Do you want the research on how drugs mutate animals, fish, etc.,? It's pretty widespread. Check the archives of Dr. William Camppbell Douglass II, Dr. Jonathan Wright, fish and game archives - especially the Great Lakes, even smaller lakes. I'm sure there are scientific reports on line regarding mutated fish and frogs if you care to google it. I've read various reports from many different sources concerning it. I don't think there is any sense in writing Mercola because he's on the Med team and possibly won't listen to any lay people. It seems like it's like me writing the NIC (National Cancer Institute) to let them know there are several ways to cure cancer. They aren't listening, and as long as they make their big bucks in treatment only, they could care less about cures. John On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 8:08 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: Can you show me the research on this then John, as I would like to have it to hand to show sceptics? I think the rest of what you said i.e about the pharmaceutical companies, was a repeat of what I said anyway, although I would question that there aren't *any* people who are allergic to silver, while accepting that you said that *you* don't know of any. As far as Mercola goes, I think *anyone* who has had such a big impact on the body of people who you and I despise, *should* be supported, even though he may not be in agreement with *all* things. Perhaps it might be a good idea to write to him and put him right about silver, eh? dee On 2 Feb 2010, at 20:54, John E. Stevens wrote: Dorothy: I don't think I'm assuming much of anything. History tells me that there were no mutated fish or frogs until King Pharma came into existence within the last 100 years. Silver, from my research, has done nothing to harm anything. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNanosilver Migrates from Treated Fabric During Washing
Good one, Dan. Smart a__ __! Funny! John On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Dan Nave bhangcha...@gmail.com wrote: Sounds like a poor test method. Why not wash the items with clothes rather than with steel balls?... Dan On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 11:00 AM, nessie nes...@shaw.ca wrote: Interesting article.. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/02/02/nanosilver-migrates-from-treated-fabric-during-washing.aspx -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSNanosilver migrates...
So silverlist folks and all you wondeful trusting Dr. Mercola followers: What do you think of his article today on Nano silver migrates... ? Just wondering... Hmmmnnn? John
Re: CSNanosilver migrates...
It seems he's lining up with the EPA in wanting to make silver a pesticide. There are too many tons of King Pharma's drugs flushed down the toilets by not only individuals, but hospitals, too, that get into the ground water. And there are tons of oil based pesticides and oil based fertilizers that get into ground water, too. I'd look at those aspects first before declaring silver is a danger to anything. Silver is natural. It never harmed fish or other wildlife for thousands of years. Why would it be doing it now? Seems like another eventual FDA and EPA plot to ban CSW making machines down the road. Samsung includes a CSW maker in their washing machines because they know it kills off harmful bacteria. John On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 7:59 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: Well for one thing its probably true! Unfortunately silver has caught on and been put in everything, and this is where everything always goes horribly wrong. I personally think it won't do any harm but apparently they have done tests which prove that certain fish are affected by silver ending up in the environment from washing machines etc., Mercola has always been undecided about silver, but just because he doesn't agree with me on *this* issue, doesn't mean that I don't stay open-minded about all the other issues he brings up. dee On 2 Feb 2010, at 12:48, John E. Stevens wrote: So silverlist folks and all you wondeful trusting Dr. Mercola followers: What do you think of his article today on Nano silver migrates... ? Just wondering... Hmmmnnn? John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSilver nanoparticles
Hey, Harry: So says ole' Joe Mercola... And just who were these scientists, who do they work for, and who pays their salaries? Gee, it's so unlike me to just not trust everyone... Golly, gee... John On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Harold MacDonald har...@telus.net wrote: Nanosilver Migrates from Treated Fabric During Washing Posted by: Dr. Mercolahttp://articles.mercola.com/members/Dr.-Mercola/default.aspx February 02 2010 | 9,045 views Silver nanoparticles used as antimicrobials in fabric can leach out of clothes as they are being washed. One brand lost over half of its silver content from the fabric with just two washings. A group of scientists tested how well silver nanoparticles stayed in treated fabrics under conditions similar to a washing machine. They considered mechanical stress and chemical factors such as bleaches, pH and surfactants. First, they measured the silver content of several different brands and types of fabrics that used silver nanoparticles. They then washed the fabrics in detergent, later adding steel balls to simulate mechanical stress that would be similar to normal washing conditions. Some of the fabrics were also treated with bleaching agents during washing. When the fabrics were washed in water with detergent only, the silver generally stayed in the fabrics. However, several fabrics released silver quite readily once the steel balls were added to mimic mechanical actions of the washing machine. Of the seven nanoparticle fabrics subjected to mechanical stress, four lost roughly 20 percent to 35 percent of their silver with the first wash.
Re: CSNanosilver migrates...
Good points, Steve. I agree with you about strip mining, but I'm wondering if strip mining has anything to do with mutated fish and frogs nationwide? I still think one of the more harmful things being done is for individuals and hospitals nationwide to flush tons of King Pharma's drugs down so many toilets that it gets into the ground water and drinking water and effects wildlife, human life and fish life everywhere. Strip mining, although dangerous to life where it is done (and should be halted by the EPA) is not done everywhere. I don't believe for a second that silver, which heals so many things in humans, including some illnesses and diseases of animals, that it could be responsible for mutated fish and frogs. I don't remember ever reading about mutated fish and frogs until King Pharma came into existence. I think Mercola on the wrong track with this one. Yeah, some of his info is good, but not in this case. I know the EPA is being pushed by King Pharma to regulate silver as a pesticide. It's just part of their evolution towards banning silver as a healer altogether. King Pharma is just trying to get people on their team in order to push this further along down the ban road. John On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:18 PM, Norton, Steve stephen.nor...@ngc.comwrote: I am from Kentucky and I don't think that the use of silver can ever come close to the ecological damage caused by mountain top strip mines. Both to the environment ant to the health of the residents near, and sometimes not so near, the strip mine. While that does not justify potential damage by silver, I think it puts it better into perspective. And the state and federal agencies do nothing about strip mining. Not a damn thing. - Steve N -Original Message- From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Tuesday, February 02, 2010 11:10 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSNanosilver migrates... You can't know that it hasn't harmed anything John, you are only assuming that it hasn't. Who knows what happened round silver mines etc., no data was kept I presume. And most things in a natural environment and not concentrated, *don't* harm things on any sort of scale. It is only when anything becomes popular and all of a sudden *everyone* is jumping on the band wagon to put it in their products, that the trouble starts. You are right about Big Pharma doing *far* more damage with their drugs and plant, and also that they are probably at the bottom of the FDA's stance in this matter. I don't agree about Mercola though, he is just ignorant of the good that silver can do, but he doesn't condemn it outright, just voices concerns. dee On 2 Feb 2010, at 14:42, John E. Stevens wrote: It seems he's lining up with the EPA in wanting to make silver a pesticide. There are too many tons of King Pharma's drugs flushed down the toilets by not only individuals, but hospitals, too, that get into the ground water. And there are tons of oil based pesticides and oil based fertilizers that get into ground water, too. I'd look at those aspects first before declaring silver is a danger to anything. Silver is natural. It never harmed fish or other wildlife for thousands of years. Why would it be doing it now? Seems like another eventual FDA and EPA plot to ban CSW making machines down the road. Samsung includes a CSW maker in their washing machines because they know it kills off harmful bacteria. John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNanosilver migrates...
Dorothy: I don't think I'm assuming much of anything. History tells me that there were no mutated fish or frogs until King Pharma came into existence within the last 100 years. Silver, from my research, has done nothing to harm anything. They'd love to have Mercola and anyone else as powerful as he is that they can lie to, on their big team to ban silver as a healer - and regulated as just a pesticide. Although, I'll take silver as a pesticide, too, over chlorine and ANY oil based unnatural pesticides and over ANY unnatural oil based fertilizer, but I do not want a ban on our silver. As I stated before, silver is natural. Unadulterated and natural. Oil based pesticides, oil based fertilizers (which are high tech chemical conglomerations) and King Pharma's infiltrated drugs are not natural, and like many other contaminants, are dangerous to human and animal life. I don't even know of anyone who is allergic to silver - let alone mutated. I'm glad you back Mercola because he does have some good ideas, even if he is a baldy (and that's indicative of a health problem, too...), but he's way off base on this issue. Sorry, Doc, but you've lost your way on this one. Hopefully you'll retreat... John On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.org wrote: You can't know that it hasn't harmed anything John, you are only assuming that it hasn't. Who knows what happened round silver mines etc., no data was kept I presume. And most things in a natural environment and not concentrated, *don't* harm things on any sort of scale. It is only when anything becomes popular and all of a sudden *everyone* is jumping on the band wagon to put it in their products, that the trouble starts. You are right about Big Pharma doing *far* more damage with their drugs and plant, and also that they are probably at the bottom of the FDA's stance in this matter. I don't agree about Mercola though, he is just ignorant of the good that silver can do, but he doesn't condemn it outright, just voices concerns. dee On 2 Feb 2010, at 14:42, John E. Stevens wrote: It seems he's lining up with the EPA in wanting to make silver a pesticide. There are too many tons of King Pharma's drugs flushed down the toilets by not only individuals, but hospitals, too, that get into the ground water. And there are tons of oil based pesticides and oil based fertilizers that get into ground water, too. I'd look at those aspects first before declaring silver is a danger to anything. Silver is natural. It never harmed fish or other wildlife for thousands of years. Why would it be doing it now? Seems like another eventual FDA and EPA plot to ban CSW making machines down the road. Samsung includes a CSW maker in their washing machines because they know it kills off harmful bacteria. John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNow: Mold, Was: Pinging Mike
There are poisons in the vinyl, too, that may be as dangerous as the mold. That smell you get from purchasing a new vinyl shower curtain is dangerous to your health. Please check that out, too. John On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 3:39 PM, Mike Monett mi...@pstca.com wrote: So, Mike. I live in the south - where heat and moisture are common, especially in the summer. At least a couple times every summer, I find a mold patch or two on my shower curtain, where it folds together when the shower is not in use. I keep a spray bottle of bleach right in the shower area so I can spray these as soon as I spot them, then I rinse the area with clean water as soon as the mold disappears from the shower curtain. The shower curtain, incidentally, is vinyl. Are you saying that I when I do this, I haven't killed the mold? That the spores remain alive? If so, then where are they? MA Hi MaryAnn, Boy, this is the perfect example of how the list archives would help. I posted a detailed analysis of mold growth long ago, and spent considerable time finding the links with the best pictures to illustrate the various components. All I would have to do is find the post, which is easy in google or mail-archive, check the links to make sure they are still valid, and post the link with a brief message. It is starting to look like that might be possible again. In the meantime, I also keep a squeeze bottle with bleach in the shower, and spray it on the mold when it starts becoming noticeable. I don't bother rinsing, but let the bleach dry into crystals. These wash away the next time I take a shower. But like you, the mold always comes back. There are three components to mold: the invisible spores which propagate the plant, the visible part that you can see on the surface, and a hidden part called the hyphae, which you cannot see. The hyphae is buried in whatever the mold is growing on, like the root of a tree. Bleach will kill the visible part on the surface, but as far as I can tell, it has no effect on the spores. The channels made by the hyphae are too small for bleach to penetrate, so it can't kill the root portion. So when you apply bleach to a surface, you only kill the visible part. The spores continue to germinate, and the hyphae start growing back immediately. In addition, new spores continually arrive. If they are the same kind of mold, they will probably start growing. If they are a different kind, they may not survive the toxins produced by the existing mold. This is the effect that led to the discovery of penicillin by Fleming in 1928, as well as Tyndall in 1875, Duchesne in 1897, and Picado between 1915 and 1927. The mold coats the spores with toxins to destroy any competition. We are just the collateral damage in their biological warfare. However, I am excited by the recent post by Pat and my private emailer concerning chlorine dioxide. If this works as well to inhibit mold as it does for libraries, it might be the perfect solution for people with severe mold allergies. But it would have to be a multiple approach. Put the packets in various rooms to kill the spores, and make a closet into a sealed chamber to hang bedding. Hopefully the chlorine dioxide will penetrate the fabric and kill the spores. I'm trying to locate some right now, and will report the results to the list. More news later, Mike M. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNanosilver Migrates from Treated Fabric During Washing
Scary article... On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 12:00 PM, nessie nes...@shaw.ca wrote: Interesting article.. http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/02/02/nanosilver-migrates-from-treated-fabric-during-washing.aspx -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHair Growth
Hi, Pat: For many years science has touted that baldness is hereditary. I question that - as I question everything. My third grade teacher scared the hell out of me when she said: If your Mom's Dad is bald, you're going to be bald. I thought, wow, ain't that grand and I tried to picture myself bald. And it left it's mark on me even though baldness hasn't occurred and I'm 68 with a full head if blond hair. I think there may be a lot of reasons for baldness. I remember counseling a lady back in the '70's who was losing her hair. I suggested a good vitamin B complex at that time and it helped. I would add a lot more to that old protocol, today. I think it's a matter of nutrition (which, again I think, should be organic and natural), possible stress, lifestyle, environmental contaminants, the amount of sleep one gets, lack of proper supplementation (and you should, I think, create a custom supplementation program that addresses your individual family history and possible hereditary weaknesses within your own family's history - everyone is different), and the type of work one does (we shouldn't be ripping people off at our jobs or taking advantage of folks - that stress builds, too). Satisfaction and contentment, a good sense of humor - your entire lifestyle is at play here and it affects the entire person. Have you noticed more people are going bald now than ever before and at younger ages than ever before - in the time I've been alive, anyway? What do you attribute that to? Just heredity? Natural causes. Hmmmnnn... I don't think so. I can't prove it, but I don't think so. What do you think causes it? John On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote: John said, I'm glad you back Mercola because he does have some good ideas, even if he is a baldy (and that's indicative of a health problem, too...) Don't you think a lot of men are just meant to lose their hair eventually? Or is it always that something is not balanced or microbes or something? Pat
Re: CSHair Growth?
Seems like everybody's a skinhead these days... Even if they don't want to be. My HGH activator costs $60.00 and lasts about 2 - 3 months - not too bad a price. It seems impossible to me that my hair has gone from all gray to blond, but I'll take it... And enjoy it. Nutrition has a lot to do with hair health, I think, too, as well as overall health in general. John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 6:15 PM, Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote: The HGH precursors are so expensive or I'd be tempted to use them. Several people on the BoneSmart forum have noticed increased hair growth on their knee when it's warm and healing from a joint replacement. I kept noticing hair growth on my knee and wondered how on earth I kept missing shaving it. I figured it was because it was numb. Turns out it was just growing super fast. If someone could find a way for men (and some women) to grow hair, they might be rich! Baldness on a woman is a rough thing to deal with (I know a couple whose hair is getting very thin.) I do like bald heads on some guys, though. Pat -- **
Re: CSHair Growth?
I get my HGH activator from Paul Oberdorf at NMS Publishing in Brooklyn, NY. I've tried others that just don't work. I've used other products of Paul's, too, and they're excellent. He doesn't have a websiter but if you google him, I'm sure you'll find any info you may need. John On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 3:45 PM, jessie70 jessi...@optonline.net wrote: Bob what brand? Jess -Original Message- From: Dorothy Fitzpatrick [mailto:d...@deetroy.org] Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 10:38 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSHair Growth? Isn't hair growth somehow related to H202 production - or non-production, in the follicle? dee On 1 Feb 2010, at 15:06, Bob Banever wrote: I've had some success growing new hair by taking an ionic silica supplement. It works quickly... new hair growth was seen within a couple of weeks in my case. It hasn't grown a full head of hair but enough to be detectable. I have white hair and the new hair is black. I've only been taking it for a few months so I plan on continuing. Bob - Original Message - From: Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, February 01, 2010 4:26 AM Subject: Re: CSHair Growth? -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Off Topic FDA Seizes Ozone Generators
Rusty: Ozone creates more oxygen in your drinking water and many diseases cannot take hold in the face of a highly oxygenated body. Especially cancer. And some use it in the treatment of cancer. I use a portable ozonator for this purpose. Ozone is also used in air cleaners for homes and automobiles. I have one in my car and several at home. A large air cleaner for the larger living areas that runs day and night all winter because I can't open the windows for fresh air. i keep a small air cleaner in each smaller room - my office, my music studio, my wet darkroom and in my bedroom. Again, it kills bacteria that may be in the air of your home. It always smells like a fresh rain storm just cleared the air whenever I walk in the door of my home - or drive anywhere. John On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Rusty Moncrief sinso...@hotmail.com wrote: How is one of these devices beneficial? Thanks in advance, Rusty -- Subject: Re: CS Off Topic FDA Seizes Ozone Generators From: d...@deetroy.org Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:53:38 + To: silver-list@eskimo.com Typical big brother! dee On 30 Jan 2010, at 04:56, Bob Banever wrote: http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm199322.htm - Original Message - *From:* martsmai...@aol.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Friday, January 29, 2010 8:22 PM *Subject:* CS Off Topic Eating Fruit Author unknown? author -- Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/
Re: CS Off Topic FDA Seizes Ozone Generators
Hi, Bob: Thanks. There are two settings on my ozoners. One is for when you are away and one for when I'm home. I'll check the details in my direction book, again to make sure I'm using it properly. Thanks, again. John On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 7:11 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.net wrote: John, Although ozone does indeed kill virus, bacteria, and mold, it can also oxidize sensitive tissues such as the lining of your lungs, your eyes, and other mucous membranes, especially those that have alot of bacteria in them. Be very careful... most recommend that you not run ozone generators while you are home, but turn them on when you are away. Dogs and cats are even more sensitive to the oxidative qualities, so be careful. Bob - Original Message - *From:* John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, February 01, 2010 1:16 PM *Subject:* Re: CS Off Topic FDA Seizes Ozone Generators Rusty: Ozone creates more oxygen in your drinking water and many diseases cannot take hold in the face of a highly oxygenated body. Especially cancer. And some use it in the treatment of cancer. I use a portable ozonator for this purpose. Ozone is also used in air cleaners for homes and automobiles. I have one in my car and several at home. A large air cleaner for the larger living areas that runs day and night all winter because I can't open the windows for fresh air. i keep a small air cleaner in each smaller room - my office, my music studio, my wet darkroom and in my bedroom. Again, it kills bacteria that may be in the air of your home. It always smells like a fresh rain storm just cleared the air whenever I walk in the door of my home - or drive anywhere. John On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 8:35 AM, Rusty Moncrief sinso...@hotmail.comwrote: How is one of these devices beneficial? Thanks in advance, Rusty -- Subject: Re: CS Off Topic FDA Seizes Ozone Generators From: d...@deetroy.org Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2010 18:53:38 + To: silver-list@eskimo.com Typical big brother! dee On 30 Jan 2010, at 04:56, Bob Banever wrote: http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm199322.htm - Original Message - *From:* martsmai...@aol.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Friday, January 29, 2010 8:22 PM *Subject:* CS Off Topic Eating Fruit Author unknown? author -- Hotmail: Free, trusted and rich email service. Get it now.http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/201469228/direct/01/
Re: CSSupplements
As with all e-mail and hard copy newsletters from all sources (Mercola, Whitaker, Wright, Douglass, Williams, Weill - ended his..., Rowan, West, etc.), read them carefully, but it's safer to hold them in your craw with a question mark and cross reference everything. Mercola like many others is selling stuff and when they're selling stuff I'm even more careful about trusting a one-source read. Don't get me wrong, Mercola has put out some good information. The Health Ranger, Mike Adams, at Natural News isn't selling anything and has an excellent e-newsletter. He also has a Biophotonic score of 80 - the highest I'm aware of. My Biophotonic score is only 66 - - and Mike puts out a lot of great health info. It's just that I like to see at least two (and usually more) sources saying the same thing - and then some proof. There are few supplement makers and many names get them from the same source. I've been taking multi-vitamins for about as long as Mercola has been alive and I've never been poisoned and I don't fear any toxic build-up. If you take a good source multi-vitamin - mineral, I don't think you're going to have any problems. John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 2:15 AM, Rowena new...@internode.on.net wrote: About supplements - Dr Mercola has an article and video about them at the moment, http://products.mercola.com/multivitamin-vital-minerals/?source=nl and says that the supplements may not be made by the company whose name is on the label, but may be contracted out to other manufacturers. Also he says that tablets contain more supplement than capsules because it can be packed in tight. He says it needs to be easily released in the gut, otherwise it passes through unused. The header is fairly dramatic, though I didn't think the text really warranted it: Video: STOP Taking Multivitamins Until You Read This Did you know your multivitamin may be creating toxic build up within your body? The deadly secret multivitamin suppliers hope you never discover... Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVanadium for Diabetes?
In my research I find Organic whole food sourced GTF Chromium to be best at reversing diabetes. It ain't no 10 day antibiotic program, though, it's something you have to stay on for months and maybe forever. Lack of real chromium from natural breads, not the bleached white flour bread which has NONE, is the cause of diabetes. Chromium piclionate is a synthetic and doesn't do the job of reversing diabetes. In using GTF (Glucose Tolerance Factor) Chromium, you should begin noticing results within a couple of months. And then continual positive changes from then on. Vanadium is good for loose teeth - it will tighten the gum and bone structure holding your teeth. John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 6:57 AM, ejohns9...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 1/30/2010 10:25:26 P.M. Central Standard Time, you...@relia.net writes: Anyone know if Vanadium supplements can really help diabetics control their blood sugar levels, and/or provide other beneficial results? Thanks, Steve Y. *Here is a cross post from Oxyplus by Dr Pressman* ** **Type 2 diabetes is due to insulin resistance by tissues. Type 2 may progress to destruction of the insulin-producing cells of the pancreas, but is still considered Type 2. The insulin producing beta cells of the pancreas can be regenerated by Shardunika (Gymnema sylvestre) or cedar berries (Juniperus monosperma), available in most health food stores. Insulin resistance is due to a lack of chromium and vanadium, which can be easily supplemented.
Re: CSSupplements
Dee: i don't know where you read some of this stuff. Vitamin C is a cancer preventative as prooven by Linus Pauling long ago. At his terminal cancer clinic back in the '60's, he was using IV Vitamin C to treat terminal cancer patients and they were living five times longer and much more comfortably (in their body)than cobalt, radiation, chemo, and other cancer treatments that were being used at the time. Even Dr. Julian Whitaker recommends IV Vitamin C to treat cancer. And as far as supplement use goes, I've been taking many supplements for over 35 years and I know they have helped me and others immensely! I controlled my 95 year old Aunt's Atrial Fibrilation with 200 mg of CoQ10 and/or Ubiquinol. I think you're getting unneededly paranoid about supplement usage - or you've used a wrong source of supplements. I used a host of supplements with some other protocols to help a man who was going to have his cancer loaded kidney surgically removed in four weeks. At the end of the four period and the protocols, which included 10 grams of vitamin C daily, the oncologists had to cancel his surgery. They couldn't find any cancer in their scans and X-rays. John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: I read that too Rowena, and I must say, what with everything else I have read lately, and my own experiences, it is putting me off buying supplements altogether! I have spent thousands over the years on supplements and now it could be that they have done me more harm than good. I must say, they have never made me feel really well, with the possible exception of iodine. I am particularly bothered about Vit C and the article that mentioned that in low doses, it could actually encourage cancer due to its anti-oxidant action. Scary! dee On 31 Jan 2010, at 07:15, Rowena wrote: About supplements - Dr Mercola has an article and video about them at the moment, http://products.mercola.com/multivitamin-vital-minerals/?source=nl and says that the supplements may not be made by the company whose name is on the label, but may be contracted out to other manufacturers. Also he says that tablets contain more supplement than capsules because it can be packed in tight. He says it needs to be easily released in the gut, otherwise it passes through unused. The header is fairly dramatic, though I didn't think the text really warranted it: Video: STOP Taking Multivitamins Until You Read This Did you know your multivitamin may be creating toxic build up within your body? The deadly secret multivitamin suppliers hope you never discover... Rowena -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSupplements
Dee: Believe what you will. Dr. Weill believes Soy is a good product - and it may be for women, not men. And certainly not in formula for babies. They'd starve on it! There were MANY doctors and other sources outside of Mercola who warned people of Vioxx - and before Mercola. Douglass was far ahead of Mercola on that one - as he is with much. John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: I trust Mercola as well as anyone else, because he has 'put his money where his mouth is' so to speak. He ran his site for a long time without any funding except his own, and he will tell you himself that the main reason for selling stuff is to fund both the site, and the law-suits that he is constantly finding himself in with big pharma and the establishment. He was the first to speak out about Vioxx and get it banned and he has been a constant thorn in the side of big pharma and their cohorts over the years. He alerted people to the dangers of vaccines etc., and they tried to close him down many times and have used many dirty tricks against him, as they do anyone who is a danger to their income. I don't blame people for trying to earn a living selling things, as long as their integrity is sound, and I believe his is. Plus, his products are really good too, and guaranteed. dee On 31 Jan 2010, at 09:37, John E. Stevens wrote: As with all e-mail and hard copy newsletters from all sources (Mercola, Whitaker, Wright, Douglass, Williams, Weill - ended his..., Rowan, West, etc.), read them carefully, but it's safer to hold them in your craw with a question mark and cross reference everything. Mercola like many others is selling stuff and when they're selling stuff I'm even more careful about trusting a one-source read. Don't get me wrong, Mercola has put out some good information. The Health Ranger, Mike Adams, at Natural News isn't selling anything and has an excellent e-newsletter. He also has a Biophotonic score of 80 - the highest I'm aware of. My Biophotonic score is only 66 - - and Mike puts out a lot of great health info. It's just that I like to see at least two (and usually more) sources saying the same thing - and then some proof. There are few supplement makers and many names get them from the same source. I've been taking multi-vitamins for about as long as Mercola has been alive and I've never been poisoned and I don't fear any toxic build-up. If you take a good source multi-vitamin - mineral, I don't think you're going to have any problems. John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSupplements
If Vitamin C is a cancer preventative as Pauling stated and used for umpteen years and creates more oxygen in the body by it's giving off H202, I don't see how it can encourage cancer... John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:03 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: I'm not disputing the efficacy of Vit C in the *treatment* of cancer John, or anything else for that matter. But I read on the Vit C site which was posted on this list, that low dose Vit C can encourage, if not cause cancer, because of its very anti-oxidant action. Cancer can only survive if deprived of oxygen and this is its MO. As far as my supplement usage goes, I only use those which have been recommended or researched. Also, I do not question the usage of supplements at all especially instead of things like chemo etc., I would always choose that route myself. As I say, I have always used supplements myself, but in the light of a few things recently , it has made me question this. I believe it is right to question *all* things, not only the big pharma and the medical system. You also have to remember, that what can be right for one person, is not necessarily right for someone else. dee On 31 Jan 2010, at 13:44, John E. Stevens wrote: Dee: i don't know where you read some of this stuff. Vitamin C is a cancer preventative as prooven by Linus Pauling long ago. At his terminal cancer clinic back in the '60's, he was using IV Vitamin C to treat terminal cancer patients and they were living five times longer and much more comfortably (in their body)than cobalt, radiation, chemo, and other cancer treatments that were being used at the time. Even Dr. Julian Whitaker recommends IV Vitamin C to treat cancer. And as far as supplement use goes, I've been taking many supplements for over 35 years and I know they have helped me and others immensely! I controlled my 95 year old Aunt's Atrial Fibrilation with 200 mg of CoQ10 and/or Ubiquinol. I think you're getting unneededly paranoid about supplement usage - or you've used a wrong source of supplements. I used a host of supplements with some other protocols to help a man who was going to have his cancer loaded kidney surgically removed in four weeks. At the end of the four period and the protocols, which included 10 grams of vitamin C daily, the oncologists had to cancel his surgery. They couldn't find any cancer in their scans and X-rays. John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSupplements
Dave: If estrogen is a problem I'd definitely stay away from Soy products. And plastics also give off estrogen. Best watch those, too. John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:21 AM, Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com wrote: John You might check out the way females use testosterone. They need it as well as estrogen and to much estrogen can upset their balance causing a number of maladies. Dave On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 5:48 AM, John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com wrote: Dee: Believe what you will. Dr. Weill believes Soy is a good product - and it may be for women, not men. And certainly not in formula for babies. They'd starve on it! There were MANY doctors and other sources outside of Mercola who warned people of Vioxx - and before Mercola. Douglass was far ahead of Mercola on that one - as he is with much. John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 8:39 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: I trust Mercola as well as anyone else, because he has 'put his money where his mouth is' so to speak. He ran his site for a long time without any funding except his own, and he will tell you himself that the main reason for selling stuff is to fund both the site, and the law-suits that he is constantly finding himself in with big pharma and the establishment. He was the first to speak out about Vioxx and get it banned and he has been a constant thorn in the side of big pharma and their cohorts over the years. He alerted people to the dangers of vaccines etc., and they tried to close him down many times and have used many dirty tricks against him, as they do anyone who is a danger to their income. I don't blame people for trying to earn a living selling things, as long as their integrity is sound, and I believe his is. Plus, his products are really good too, and guaranteed. dee On 31 Jan 2010, at 09:37, John E. Stevens wrote: As with all e-mail and hard copy newsletters from all sources (Mercola, Whitaker, Wright, Douglass, Williams, Weill - ended his..., Rowan, West, etc.), read them carefully, but it's safer to hold them in your craw with a question mark and cross reference everything. Mercola like many others is selling stuff and when they're selling stuff I'm even more careful about trusting a one-source read. Don't get me wrong, Mercola has put out some good information. The Health Ranger, Mike Adams, at Natural News isn't selling anything and has an excellent e-newsletter. He also has a Biophotonic score of 80 - the highest I'm aware of. My Biophotonic score is only 66 - - and Mike puts out a lot of great health info. It's just that I like to see at least two (and usually more) sources saying the same thing - and then some proof. There are few supplement makers and many names get them from the same source. I've been taking multi-vitamins for about as long as Mercola has been alive and I've never been poisoned and I don't fear any toxic build-up. If you take a good source multi-vitamin - mineral, I don't think you're going to have any problems. John -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSupplements
Pat: Mercola's good and I read him like I read 20 - 30 other health newsletters - with questions in mind. Always questions. I like to compare and I think cross-referencing is a necessity. Mike Adams may not have the patience of some, but he is excellent and there is a lot of good info, there. Maybe I enjoy his findings because I've been at this for 35 years. I've been a member of Life Extension for years, too, but their celebrity push (Sanjay Gupta and Suzanne Sommers, etc.,) turns me off. Gupta thinks chlorine washes for veggies and fruit is just fine. I seriously debate that knowing that chlorine causes cancer - and many other problems, too. I'm glad Sommers published her book on cancer and the good and bad, but it's too bad she didn't recognize the problem before she got cancer. Prevenhtion is the key. Balancing the body is the key. John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 1:12 PM, Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote: I trust Dr. Mercola. I know you have to sensationalize headlines to get people to read and you have to make money to support your cause (educating the public about health). Life Extension Foundation (lef.org) seems as pushy as any drug company, but they have to bring in the money for research or they'd be unable to bring us the information we need. It's just hard sometimes to know who to trust with everyone trying to talk us out of our money. I used to enjoy reading Natural News, but lately I'm irritated by a lot of it. Mike Adams is so self-righteous that he has no patience for those who are just beginning to learn alternative ways or are struggling with changing their diets. To me he sometimes comes off as judgmental and intolerant and he lacks understanding for people who aren't young and energetic as he is. Pat
Re: CSBiophotonic score
Debbie: I get scanned at a Health and Wellness Office where I work part-time as an advisor and consultant. The Biophotonic score tells you how well your antioxidants are working in your body. Anything over 50,000 puts you in a place where you can't get any chronic diseases. But most folks register in the 25,000 range. Sad. NuLife makes the machines in Utah. You'd have to find a NuLife dealer in your area. They make nano-particle supplements of the highest quality. I'd ask the folks in your health food store where there might be a person who scans. They're very expensive machines and are usually used by one NuLifer and then sent to the next on a schedule. They're rented. Dr. James Balch, author of Prescription For Nutritional Healing is a big believer in the Biophotonic scanner. John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.comwrote: This is awesome news...where do you get scanned at in your area, how do you find one? Thanks Debbie
Re: CSHair Growth?
Pat: Bob Becker was electrocuted and lived through it. He attributed his new red hair growth and his full head of hair (when he was bald previously) to being electrocuted as far I recall. My hair was all gray when I turned 30. It's now all blond again, the color blond when I was about ten years old. I attribute that to HGH activator which I've been using for about five years - 2 - 3 times a week. It's full, no bald spots, and thicker for a guy who has thin hair. I also use Alta silica which I know is good for hair, nails and bones. Not too shabby for a 68 yr old dude, huh? John On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Pat pattycake29...@yahoo.com wrote: Speaking of hairis there one single person on this list who has grown hair in by using CS on the scalp? I know Robert Becker was said to have done so, but I don't understand why more guys don't try it. It would be a fantastic experiment. Pat __ just joined the civil hair patrol!! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Off Topic FDA Seizes Ozone Generators
The FDA ain't gonna' get my portable ozonator... No way! John On Fri, Jan 29, 2010 at 11:56 PM, Bob Banever bbane...@earthlink.netwrote: http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm199322.htm - Original Message - *From:* martsmai...@aol.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Friday, January 29, 2010 8:22 PM *Subject:* CS Off Topic Eating Fruit Author unknown? author EATING FRUIT... It's long but very informative We all think eating fruits means just buying fruits, cutting it and just popping it into our mouths. It's not as easy as you think. It's important to know how and when to eat. What is the correct way of eating fruits? IT MEANS NOT EATING FRUITS AFTER YOUR MEALS! * FRUITS SHOULD BE EATEN ON AN-EMPTY STOMACH. If you eat fruit like that, it will play a major role to detoxify your system, supplying you with a great deal of energy for weight loss and other life activities. FRUIT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FOOD. Let's say you eat two slices of bread and then a slice of fruit. The slice of fruit is ready to go straight through the stomach into the intestines, but it is prevented from doing so. In the meantime the whole meal rots and ferments and turns to acid. The minute the fruit comes into contact with the food in the stomach and digestive juices, the entire mass of food begins to spoil. So please eat your fruits on an empty stomach or before your meals! You have heard people complaining - every time I eat watermelon I burp, when I eat durian my stomach bloats up, when I eat a banana I feel like running to the toilet etc - actually all this will not arise if you eat the fruit on an empty stomach. The fruit mixes with the putrefying other food and produces gas and hence you will bloat! Graying hair, balding, nervous outburst, and dark circles under the eyes all these will NOT happen if you take fruits on an empty stomach. There is no such thing as some fruits, like orange and lemon are acidic, because all fruits become alkaline in our body, according to Dr.. Herbert Shelton who did research on this matter. If you have mastered the correct way of eating fruits, you have the Secret of beauty, longevity, health, energy, happiness and normal weight. When you need to drink fruit juice - drink only fresh fruit juice, NOT from the cans. Don't even drink juice that has been heated up. Don't eat cooked fruits because you don't get the nutrients at all. You only get to taste. Cooking destroys all the vitamins. But eating a whole fruit is better than drinking the juice.. If you should drink the juice, drink it mouthful by mouthful slowly, because you must let it mix with your saliva before swallowing it. You can go on a 3-day fruit fast to cleanse your body. Just eat fruits and drink fruit juice throughout the 3 days and you will be surprised when your friends tell you how radiant you look! KIWI: Tiny but mighty. This is a good source of potassium, magnesium, vitamin E fiber. Its vitamin C content is twice that of an orange. APPLE: An apple a day keeps the doctor away? Although an apple has a low vitamin C content, it has antioxidants flavonoids which enhances the activity of vitamin C thereby helping to lower the risks of colon cancer, heart attack stroke. STRAWBERRY: Protective Fruit. Strawberries have the highest total antioxidant power among major fruits protect the body from cancer-causing, blood vessel-clogging free radicals. ORANGE : Sweetest medicine. Taking 2-4 oranges a day may help keep colds away, lower cholesterol, prevent dissolve kidney stones as well as lessens the risk of colon cancer... WATERMELON: Coolest thirst quencher.. Composed of 92% water, it is also packed with a giant dose of glutathione, which helps boost our immune system. They are also a key source of lycopene - the cancer fighting oxidant. Other nutrients found in watermelon are vitamin C Potassium.. GUAVA PAPAYA: Top awards for vitamin C. They are the clear winners for their high vitamin C content. Guava is also rich in fiber, which helps prevent constipation. Papaya is rich in carotene; this is good f or your eyes.
Re: CSNew and interested in Generators
Hi, Cathy: There are many CSW making machines at varying prices and varying quality and everyone on this list will tell you there particular model is the best. One of the machines I like, and I've tried a few with discontent, is the Micro-particle CSW machine made by silveredgehealth.com. It makes excellent and colorless CSW. After four years of operation, the aerator on my machine died and I sent it back to silver edge where it was repaired for free and mailed back to me free. They also have silver for sale, too. And they offer various models - battery powered, too, in case we ever lose our electricity for extended periods. Most folks on this list think $159.00 for a refurbished model (as good as new) and $239.00 for a new model is too much to pay. Everyone has their own opinion. I find the silver edge health machines to be excellent. I also receive monthly updates from them on what's happening with CSW in the world - new uses, etc.,. Everyone on this list will suggest you go to their machine's website and check out the specific details which I think is very wise. Wishing you the best with your choice and good health. John On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:44 PM, cathy39...@aol.com wrote: Hi Everyone! I am very interested in making my own Colloidal Silver and want to buy a generator as soon as I have more information. The information I have found so far, is not clear to me as I am not sure what the difference is between the measurements of different machines. Does it really matter what size the silver particles are? How do you decide which generator is better than the other? Do they all use the same size silver rods? I have many more questions and look forward to any and all information you are willing to pass on to me. Thank you, Cathy
CSMy New Book! Angel the Mischievous Cat
Hi, Folks: I just received the first copy of my new book: *Angel the Mischievous Cat*- and it looks super! Publish America did a very nice job publishing it! So if you* *have ordered it, I'm sure you'll be receiving your copy very soon. If you haven't ordered and wish to, you can go to publishamerica.com, select their children's book area, and you'll find it alphabetically listed by title. It's a very humorous and delightful story for children ages 3 - 8 and teaches these children the humor, care of and the loyalty of family pets. A sequel is presently under way entitled: * Angel and Old Softy. * I hope to have it published by late summer or early fall. I think you'll enjoy the pictorial story very much! Thank you! John
Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS
Whenever, if ever, my felines come down with any type of illness, they always get a dose of CSW administered by eye dropper. I don't think the claws or paws have ever indicated any blue moons - and their fur color is unchanged... No blueness Ha... ha... One of my cats, Angel, had a serious infection where she drooled blood colored saliva onto the front of her beautiful coat. I used CSW with her 3 - 4 times daily and Flor*Essence tea to detox her. This illness went on for about three months as did her daily dosages of both and she's healed and back into good shape. I published a children's book entitled: Angel the Mischievous Cat which is a delightfully humorous book for children ages 3 - 8. It was released by the publisher, Publish America, on January 19th. At publishamerica.com. under children's books. There you will see a very healthy Angel playing her tricks for youngsters. i have used CSW for years and do not have bluemoons or blue tinted flesh color. I use it on burns, cuts, if ever I think I have a sore throat coming on, if ever sinus infections begin coming on, in my washer, on the counters, in the bathrooms, etc.,. It's always stopped any infection dead in their tracks before they could ever take hold. I haven't had a cold or any illness in years. I don't use it daily, but sometimes gargle to kill off any bacteria and i soak my toothbrush in it. For me, it's a miracle in a bottle - a glass bottle that is... Ha... ha... It's my humble opinion that argyria can only happen if CSW is made incorrectly. John On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.comwrote: I could also care less if I turn gray or blue, at least a little, but after almost 4 years of taking silver daily, a good swallow or two, or several more if I feel like I'm coming down with something, I have not only had no colds, flu or flu shots, but have also not even a hint of blue or gray except a little bit in fingernail moons, and that only under fluorescent lights. Doesn't sound like a big deal to me. I'd rather be well than pink. Dick -- *From:* Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wed, January 27, 2010 4:42:29 PM *Subject:* Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS I suspect there are more with Argeria than will admit to it. As to why we keep taking it is because we would rather be healthy--To hell with the looks. I'm to damn old to give a damn what I look like--Besides I already have an excellent wife so I don't have to go chasing and she is all right with it. Dave On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: I don't understand why. Isn't argyria really rare? How many of us are on this list, and how many have argyria? It would be interesting to see the results, but I bet there aren't many! And given people's fears, I know for certain that if I told the people I know who are taking EIS that they could get argyria, (even if they only take the smallest amount) then they *wouldn't* take it, and would lose out on all the benefits. I don't think its worth this for such a remote possibility, especially as argyria is not life threatening and reversible. Also, I can't understand why if people start to get a tinge of colour, why they don't stop taking it? dee On 27 Jan 2010, at 17:05, Norton, Steve wrote: When people use EIS, they don’t necessarily have the perfect lifestyle, diet, habitat, supplement consumption or the ideal physiological processes. To limit EIS usage to someone who does would probably exclude everyone on the planet. So EIS usage has to be considered in the context of “real life” people and not idealized conditions. It is my opinion that if ideal conditions are needed for EIS to not cause argyria, then EIS can cause argyria since those ideal conditions are unrealizable. In the vein of seeing a glass half full or half empty, you say that you have not seen any studies, etc. that conclusively demonstrates that EIS can cause argyria. On the other hand, I too have studied the literature and have not found anything that would substantiate why EIS, apparently alone of all forms of silver, cannot cause argyria. I am aware of the passing of silver ions through the mucosal tissues. Mike Monnet estimates that at about 10% of the ionic content can be transported that way. If you swallow EIS, who knows what compound the ionic silver forms in the stomach? If the stomach is empty it is probably silver chloride but what if food is also present? Then what compounds are formed and transported into the blood?
Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS
Dick: The only reason I don't take it daily is because it can kill of some of the good bacteriaa in your/my intestines - even though I take digestive enzymes and probiotics. Maybe my thinking goes along the lines, also, that I don't want to wear out the infection killing properties of silver like happens with so many antibiotics. I haven't taken any pharma antibiotics in 35 years, but I do know that there effectiveness can falter by overuse. I assume that you're aware of how antibiotics become useless when certain bacteria learn how to over-rule them. What do you think? John On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:25 PM, John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com wrote: Whenever, if ever, my felines come down with any type of illness, they always get a dose of CSW administered by eye dropper. I don't think the claws or paws have ever indicated any blue moons - and their fur color is unchanged... No blueness Ha... ha... One of my cats, Angel, had a serious infection where she drooled blood colored saliva onto the front of her beautiful coat. I used CSW with her 3 - 4 times daily and Flor*Essence tea to detox her. This illness went on for about three months as did her daily dosages of both and she's healed and back into good shape. I published a children's book entitled: Angel the Mischievous Cat which is a delightfully humorous book for children ages 3 - 8. It was released by the publisher, Publish America, on January 19th. At publishamerica.com. under children's books. There you will see a very healthy Angel playing her tricks for youngsters. i have used CSW for years and do not have bluemoons or blue tinted flesh color. I use it on burns, cuts, if ever I think I have a sore throat coming on, if ever sinus infections begin coming on, in my washer, on the counters, in the bathrooms, etc.,. It's always stopped any infection dead in their tracks before they could ever take hold. I haven't had a cold or any illness in years. I don't use it daily, but sometimes gargle to kill off any bacteria and i soak my toothbrush in it. For me, it's a miracle in a bottle - a glass bottle that is... Ha... ha... It's my humble opinion that argyria can only happen if CSW is made incorrectly. John On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Richard Goodwin dickgoodwin2...@yahoo.com wrote: I could also care less if I turn gray or blue, at least a little, but after almost 4 years of taking silver daily, a good swallow or two, or several more if I feel like I'm coming down with something, I have not only had no colds, flu or flu shots, but have also not even a hint of blue or gray except a little bit in fingernail moons, and that only under fluorescent lights. Doesn't sound like a big deal to me. I'd rather be well than pink. Dick -- *From:* Dave Darrin davedar...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Wed, January 27, 2010 4:42:29 PM *Subject:* Re: CSAnecdotal Evidence and CS I suspect there are more with Argeria than will admit to it. As to why we keep taking it is because we would rather be healthy--To hell with the looks. I'm to damn old to give a damn what I look like--Besides I already have an excellent wife so I don't have to go chasing and she is all right with it. Dave On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 10:50 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: I don't understand why. Isn't argyria really rare? How many of us are on this list, and how many have argyria? It would be interesting to see the results, but I bet there aren't many! And given people's fears, I know for certain that if I told the people I know who are taking EIS that they could get argyria, (even if they only take the smallest amount) then they *wouldn't* take it, and would lose out on all the benefits. I don't think its worth this for such a remote possibility, especially as argyria is not life threatening and reversible. Also, I can't understand why if people start to get a tinge of colour, why they don't stop taking it? dee On 27 Jan 2010, at 17:05, Norton, Steve wrote: When people use EIS, they don’t necessarily have the perfect lifestyle, diet, habitat, supplement consumption or the ideal physiological processes. To limit EIS usage to someone who does would probably exclude everyone on the planet. So EIS usage has to be considered in the context of “real life” people and not idealized conditions. It is my opinion that if ideal conditions are needed for EIS to not cause argyria, then EIS can cause argyria since those ideal conditions are unrealizable. In the vein of seeing a glass half full or half empty, you say that you have not seen any studies, etc. that conclusively demonstrates that EIS can cause argyria. On the other hand, I too have studied the literature and have not found anything that would substantiate why EIS, apparently alone of all forms of silver, cannot cause argyria. I am aware of the passing of silver ions
Re: CShelp for cracked vertebrae
Debbie: To fix the crack you'll need to supplement with Alta real food Silica (3 per every meal), magnesium, vitamin D3 and calcium. If your Dad is not on a good multi vit mineral, I suggest that, too. Vitamin C will help to strengthen the tissues around the vertebrae and the discs. He should notice a difference within two - four weeks. Surgery, in my humble opinion, is unnecessary - too dangerous for a man of his age. The recovery time from surgery might be the rest of his good life. A natural approach to healing this, I think, would be best. John On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.comwrote: My mom just called and my poor 80 year old dad has been diagnosed with a cracked vertebrae in his lower back...any suggestions on supplements that may help with the healing? Or is surgery the only answer? Thanks in advance folks, Debbie
Re: CShelp for cracked vertebrae
Annie's advice was excellent, too. John On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 9:43 PM, Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.comwrote: My mom just called and my poor 80 year old dad has been diagnosed with a cracked vertebrae in his lower back...any suggestions on supplements that may help with the healing? Or is surgery the only answer? Thanks in advance folks, Debbie
Re: CSImportant question about reducing atherosclerosis
Jim: I read Linus Pauling's work, the real alive man, back in the '70's. I followed him extensively back then when he had his cancer institute and was working IV vitamin C with terminal cancer patients. It's too bad Linus wasn't aware of prostate support back then. The two time Nobel Prize winner ole dude might still be with us. He died from prostate cancer when he was 93. Brilliant man! John On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.com wrote: Hello John, Interesting data. Where did you find that? Thank you, Jim On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 2:48 PM, John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com wrote: When Linus Pauling was 90 years old, he was taking 18 grams of Vit C daily. Hmmmnnn. In a urination test, he only urinated off 15%. Hmmmnnn... The rest wasw going to work... John On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.comwrote: Read: *Practicing Medicine Without a License* Owen Fonrow Linus Pauling. Minimum 3 GRAMS C per day keeps the arterial plaque away. On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: Thanks for this link. I printed the book and read it. I think very highly of it. On Friday, Jan 1, 2010, at 11:18 Asia/Tokyo, Dan Nave wrote: Read this e-book http://jkant2001.tripod.com/EAT_TO_LIVE.pdf You would have to change your diet... Dan On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:02 PM, G Baldwin baldwin6...@comcast.net wrote: List members, I hope someone can help me. I have moderate blockage in carotid artery. Left ear pulsing sound caused by the restriction is very distracting and seems to get louder with time. Can anyone suggest a protocol that I could try to reduce the build-up in the arteries? I am concerned about a stroke. Any helpful suggestions will be very greatly appreciated. Regards, Gordon -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVit C increases iron uptake
Maybe you were taking the wrong form of chlorella...? John On Mon, Jan 25, 2010 at 5:29 PM, cking...@nycap.rr.com wrote: You're right Dee... I've always been a supplement freak, but when I got around to trying chlorella it put my head in the toilet. Tried it two more times, but it's just a no-go. Gave it away. Chuck Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be happy. On 1/25/2010 6:50:50 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick (d...@deetroy.org) wrote: Just shows really, that unless you know exactly what you are doing, it can be a very dodgy thing taking some supplements. I have been taking chlorella, vit C ALA and D3 sublingual, along with whey, and the last two days I have felt really unwell; so much so, that I have left off all supplements for a few days, and am now feeling better. I experienced the most awful bone-tiredness where I could not keep my eyes open; a couple hours after taking them; but could not sleep either. Also a disturbance of vision and subsequent thumping headache. Now I don't know if its coincidence or what, but I am going to introduce them back in one at a time and see what if any, have caused it. Maybe its because I take them altogether, who knows? dee On 24 Jan 2010, at 22:03, sol wrote: On the iron overload sites I have visited, the recommendation is simply not to take vit C with meals. It is fine to take vit C between meals away from iron containing drinks and foods. Info I read at the Livon Labs site indicates that liposomal C passes from the stomach or intestines into the blood stream and thus to the liver, where it is processed. If true, that means it would not affect iron absorption, or at least that portion of the -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS
Depending on use. Sometimes once every two months. when I'm not using it a lot - every three months. John On Tue, Jan 26, 2010 at 11:08 AM, Gayla Roberts aera...@gmail.com wrote: How often do you change the water? Gayla - Original Message - *From:* martsmai...@aol.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Monday, January 25, 2010 4:24 AM *Subject:* Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS What is reason for CS in hot tub
Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS
Hi, Gayla: Thanks, Gayla. About a 1/2 cup per gallon - or so. I'm not worried about using too much because I know CSW is good for my skin, too. I'm kind of guessing at how much to use because I can't find any info on it - so I use what I think is appropriate and safe. John On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 8:06 PM, Gayla Roberts aera...@gmail.com wrote: John very interesting! How much CS do you use per gallon in your tub? I have a 2 person SoftTub that I would love to treat with CS. The house sounds lovely! Gayla - Original Message - *From:* John E. Stevens jonellis.steven...@gmail.com *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Sent:* Sunday, January 24, 2010 8:25 AM *Subject:* Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS Lisa: My Sunlight Sauna runs off 120 house power. My total total electric and gas bill runs about $143.00 in the coldest of NY winters. Basically because I have a passive solar heated home
Re: CSImportant question about reducing atherosclerosis
When Linus Pauling was 90 years old, he was taking 18 grams of Vit C daily. Hmmmnnn. In a urination test, he only urinated off 15%. Hmmmnnn... The rest wasw going to work... John On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Jim Holmes gooogleis...@gmail.com wrote: Read: *Practicing Medicine Without a License* Owen Fonrow Linus Pauling. Minimum 3 GRAMS C per day keeps the arterial plaque away. On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:33 PM, Jonathan B. Britten jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp wrote: Thanks for this link. I printed the book and read it. I think very highly of it. On Friday, Jan 1, 2010, at 11:18 Asia/Tokyo, Dan Nave wrote: Read this e-book http://jkant2001.tripod.com/EAT_TO_LIVE.pdf You would have to change your diet... Dan On Thu, Dec 31, 2009 at 8:02 PM, G Baldwin baldwin6...@comcast.net wrote: List members, I hope someone can help me. I have moderate blockage in carotid artery. Left ear pulsing sound caused by the restriction is very distracting and seems to get louder with time. Can anyone suggest a protocol that I could try to reduce the build-up in the arteries? I am concerned about a stroke. Any helpful suggestions will be very greatly appreciated. Regards, Gordon -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: Swanson's vitamins, etc, was Re: CSHerniated disc's
Annie: I agree with you. I presume that when folks see lower prices they may think the quality isn't as good. That's a sad rumor... But I've been using Swanson products for years, saving immense amounts of money over other supplement outlets, and especially over retail outlets. And Swanson has, as you said, some great products. What a fantastic catalog (usually 144 pages) we receive every month from Swanson - and often with two for the price of one sales. And you can count on very fresh products because they turn over product so quickly. Nothing sits on a shelf for over a year and gets stale. And they ship very quickly. Lee Swanson sends well meaning, updated research at least once a month. I may not agree with some of it, but at least he sends it. And I love the way he travels looking for and bringing back excellent new health products from different places in the world. Reminds me a little of Dr. David G. Williams, the wonderful Chiropractor, who travels the outback world seeking healthy remedies from tribes, etc., for various health concerns. And last, but not least, they've been in business for about 40 years. That's a testimony unto itself. Annie, I see you also have a knowledgeable mind of your own (thank God...) with your I don't have to depend on he said, she said, they said. I, too, am extremely opinionated, walking the walk and talking the talk for over 35 proud years, doing my own testing with supplements like you. And I cross reference all alternative health information - at least twice and usually more. And some of my opinions and knowledge gets me into a lot of trouble - which I really don't mind. I will not be brainwashed just because everyone in a particular group has a particular opinion or thinks that's the way it is - when I know differently. Stand and be counted. Question with boldness - as the political entertainer Glenn Beck reminds folks. Now if Beck only knew a lot more about real health, he wouldn't suffer the ailments and colds he suffers - poor fella'. Ha.. Ha. Keep on Keepin' on, Annie. John On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 11:00 PM, Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.comwrote: Dunno where you heard that Swanson doesn't have good quality. I use a whole bunch of Swanson's products, and I have never had a complaint with their quality or effectiveness. Swanson has passed all the lab tests done by Consumer Labs(an independent supplement testing lab) for purity and having what is stated on the label in the amounts stated, and digestibility, and all the other tests done, including lead content. Some of the higher priced name brands have failed those tests. So high price does not = quality. I can say for a fact from using Swanson products that Swanson products are a very good to excellent quality, I don't have to depend on he said, she said, they said. If a supplement maker produces a product that is inferior or ineffective, and I give supps at least a three month trial before I call it quits, I don't waste my money on their products, and I could care less whose name is pasted on the label. That being said, I also use products from Mountain Rose Herbs, 1Fast400, and I'm going to purchase some things from some other places that have been recommended to me with decent prices to check their quality as well. Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh sol wrote: At 07:39 AM 1/23/2010, you wrote: Yes they are good but I have heard the quality of their products aren't! Donna ACS In comparing with prices with iherb, it appears to me, Swanson's prices are better - for the most part. John I have had no trouble with any Swanson brand product. It is true that at ConsumerLab, various products have tested poorly (lead contamination, not containing stated amount of active ingredients, and other problems) but I have seen one or two products from nearly every brand fail testing at some point. Even the premium brands like Life Extension and others. Because a product or brand is low priced is no guarantee of poor quality and being very high priced does not guarantee high quality either. Swanson ships relatively quickly too. We also have had good luck with Puritan's Pride products, but many of their own brand items contain inactive ingredients to which I am allergic, so what I can use from them is more limited. I have also gotten some good things from VitaCost some very good buys in their NSI brand with the exact formula of higher priced brands. sol -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVit C increases iron uptake
hi, Simeon: I give blood every 56 days. The Red Cross always test my iron levels which are usually around 10 - 12, normal they say. I enjoy giving blood because it not only helps the Red Cross and many people, but it gets any excess iron out of my system and gets my spleen working making new blood. A couple days after I give blood I have a new and fresh abundance of energy which I attribute to the fresh, new blood. Imagine how wonderful creating a fresh new pint supply of blood every 56 days is.In 35 years of taking immense amounts of vitamin C, I've never had any problems with iron. It only takes me a little over 5 minutes to give a pint of blood - which is a very quick time - especially for an old-timer like me. Most folks, even young folks, take 8 - 12 minutes to give a pint of blood. What does that mean? My arteries and veins are clean and my blood flows very well. Vit C also helps to clean your veins and arteries out, but I also use chlorella, zeolite, pectasol and EDTA to clean my circulatory system (Vit E, CoQ10, resveratrol, L-Lyceine, too). I deem they're all important. Chlorine is dangerous to the circulatory system, too. I haven't drunk tap water in many, many years. There's a deep in the ground, free flowing spring a short ways down my road where I draw my water and store in GLASS - not plastic... Ha... It's the water I drink and cook in. I also put a chlorine filter in my shower so I don't inhale any chlorine steam. Chlorine puts little scratches inside your veins and arteries which cholesterol patches like a band-aid and after years and years of cholesterol patches, folks wonder why their veins and arteries plug-up. Hmmmnnn. Other bad food sources help the plug-up, too. Fairly obvious, isn't it? In my last message to you, I was going to mention additional supplements I take - MSM, hyaloronic acid, Magnesium, glucosamine *without* chondroitinn, natto, probiotics, NAC, prostate support, ginko, and there are others I'll mention later. I've been taking supplements for over 35 years and I've added and subtracted as new info came along. 2010/1/24 muk...@mail.bg Hi John, group, I have read that Vit C increases iron uptake and you know excess iron could be a problem. Did some of you taking vit C had increased iron in blood tests ? Is liposomal C better in this sense ? Simeon - Ferratum - бърз заем онлайн! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS
Good points, Annie. Weekly detoxing is very important - in my mind, anyway. I always take a large glass of iced, pure spring water into my Sauna to re-hydrate the toxic liquids I lose in sweating out the poisons. NEVER any alcohol - only pure, delicious Spring water. I've never found myself light headed, but I only sit and listen to music or meditate in my Sauna for a half-hour. And an immediate shower afterwards to wash the poisons off. Ahhh, I love it! John On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 11:45 PM, Annie B Smythe anniebsmy...@gmail.comwrote: Sweating has been a tested and true method of detox and purification for thousands of years. It is not a new concept. And for people who don't have money for buying saunas, an old fashioned Native American sweat lodge will accomplish the same thing much cheaper. I believe there are plans and instructions on the web. Build a frame, from wood, pvc, old piping, tree branches, or whatever, and cover it with layers of blankets or skins or whatever non toxic items you have at hand to hold the heat inside. And a non melting, non toxic container in the center of the structure to hold heated stones or bricks. That's all that's necessary. Oh, and do not use a pot or pan that has a non stick coating to hold your heated rocks and stones. Toxic fumes. Oh and a spotter. Some people report light headedness, and hallucinations from steam and/or dry heat saunas due to the high temps the body gets to. I would not recommend drinking alcohol or taking anything else with tranquilizing kind of effect beforehand either. It would not do to go to sleep or pass out in such a high temp environment. Annie Control your destiny or somebody else will.~Jack Welsh John E. Stevens wrote: I have a Sunlight Sauna, a far infrared and it hits about 147 degrees F (even in the dead of winter...) which pulls a lot of toxins out of my body. Mine is on my deck outside, but it could be set-up inside, too. It runs off 120 house power. I've noticed it's also helped to steadily keep my blood pressure around 120/74 to 120/70 - which is lower than it was before I owned the Sauna. I use it about 2 - 3 times a week for a half hour each time. I've been using it for a little over three years and I personally recommend it. My blood/sugar always has been alright so I can't comment on that. But as far sweating poisons out - you betcha'. John On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 5:17 PM, martsmai...@aol.com mailto: martsmai...@aol.com wrote: Do FIR sauna help control blood sugar levels? I recall a member who writes about saunas benefits. Thanks marty -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com The Silver List and Off Topic List archives are currently down... List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS
Lisa: My Sunlight Sauna runs off 120 house power. My total total electric and gas bill runs about $143.00 in the coldest of NY winters. Basically because I have a passive solar heated home with a wood stove back-up which warmly purrs day and night from late November until late March. It costs me about $500.00 a year for wood - not pellets - I fear they may rise in price and I can always cut and split wood... I have a furnace back-up, too, but never use it. I used to when I had to be out of town for a week or two years ago. I can't imagine my Sauna costs much more than a dollar or two every time I use it - maybe less. I bought my passive solar heated house about 20 years ago - because I feared where energy prices may be headed. I'm also contemplating putting in a wind -mill to offset the electrical prices. I've got the plans for building it - I just haven't implemented that yet. My post and beam custom designed home with 12 foot ceilings (I'm somewhat claustrophobic...) is insulated extremely well. 36 R in all the walls and 40 R in the ceilings. The DR and LR ceilings are knotty pine with rotating fans for air cirulation. There is a main ozonated air cleaner in the LR and DR and individual air cleaners in every other room. I find breathingtclean air to be very relevant... Ha... Ha... There's 150 tons of extremely fine Australian sand in my basement that absorbs heat over the summer and through thousands of feet of tubing running through the sand. feeds the heat back through floor vents with a fan system in the winter - if I choose to use it. It's a very cozy home with a digital office, kitchen, DR, LR, a full wet darkroom, my musical recording studio, master BR, a downstairs bathroom and a full bathroom upstairs. All the floors are either hardwood (oak) or ceramic tile (Kitchen, Bathrooms and the darkroom). I have a 1000 square foot deck (my summer living room...) where I have a large colloidal silver water treated (non-chlorine and non-bromine) hot tub and where my Sauna is located. My deck is outfitted with all Teak deck furniture which I purchased many, many years ago. It doesn't need to be removed in the winter. It takes the weather super well and just turns a soft, beautiful gray color with the weather. I've had the same canvas table umbrella for at least 15 years. I don't like replacing things. I'm not a disposable believer. I like things that last. I still have a 1967 Nikon F that works super well... John On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net wrote: Hi John, What’s it cost to run (depending upon your electric cost per kwh of course). Thx. Lisa -- *From:* John E. Stevens [mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:10 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS I have a Sunlight Sauna, a far infrared and it hits about 147 degrees F (even in the dead of winter...) which pulls a lot of toxins out of my body. Mine is on my deck outside, but it could be set-up inside, too. It runs off 120 house power. I've noticed it's also helped to steadily keep my blood pressure around 120/74 to 120/70 - which is lower than it was before I owned the Sauna. I use it about 2 - 3 times a week for a half hour each time. I've been using it for a little over three years and I personally recommend it. My blood/sugar always has been alright so I can't comment on that. But as far sweating poisons out - you betcha'. John On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 5:17 PM, martsmai...@aol.com wrote: Do FIR sauna help control blood sugar levels? I recall a member who writes about saunas benefits. Thanks marty
Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC sauna price of electricity cost of KWH
Good points, Marty. john On Sun, Jan 24, 2010 at 12:32 PM, martsmai...@aol.com wrote: John, Anyone's Electricity in USA for a 1500 watt 36 x 36 Fir Sauna, for warm up time of 30 minutes and use time of 30 minutes is less than $0 .22. ( 22 cents) mine is .11 cents. Double that for New York at 14.31 per KWh 1500 watts x 1 hour divided by 1000+KWh (kilo watt hour) x cost of KWh of elec. = .07 per hour in Nebraska USA, without my fire wood, wood burner, solar energy, ceiling fans, R 60 in ceilings,10 ceilings, baseboard heat, but I have I do have 1,700 tons of sand in my basement area. But that sand or my 1500 sq. of decking does nothing to make the price of a KWh from OPPD cost less in Nebraska. I think Nebraska is colder than New York. You can buy a sauna on e-bay for $1,000 delivered. So for $40.00 I can use everyday of the year for 30 minutes a day to get detoxed. Marty In a message dated 1/24/2010 10:26:10 A.M. Central Standard Time, jonellis.steven...@gmail.com writes: Lisa: My Sunlight Sauna runs off 120 house power. My total total electric and gas bill runs about $143.00 in the coldest of NY winters. Basically because I have a passive solar heated home with a wood stove back-up which warmly purrs day and night from late November until late March. It costs me about $500.00 a year for wood - not pellets - I fear they may rise in price and I can always cut and split wood... I have a furnace back-up, too, but never use it. I used to when I had to be out of town for a week or two years ago. I can't imagine my Sauna costs much more than a dollar or two every time I use it - maybe less. I bought my passive solar heated house about 20 years ago - because I feared where energy prices may be headed. I'm also contemplating putting in a wind -mill to offset the electrical prices. I've got the plans for building it - I just haven't implemented that yet. My post and beam custom designed home with 12 foot ceilings (I'm somewhat claustrophobic...) is insulated extremely well. 36 R in all the walls and 40 R in the ceilings. The DR and LR ceilings are knotty pine with rotating fans for air cirulation. There is a main ozonated air cleaner in the LR and DR and individual air cleaners in every other room. I find breathingtclean air to be very relevant... Ha... Ha... There's 150 tons of extremely fine Australian sand in my basement that absorbs heat over the summer and through thousands of feet of tubing running through the sand. feeds the heat back through floor vents with a fan system in the winter - if I choose to use it. It's a very cozy home with a digital office, kitchen, DR, LR, a full wet darkroom, my musical recording studio, master BR, a downstairs bathroom and a full bathroom upstairs. All the floors are either hardwood (oak) or ceramic tile (Kitchen, Bathrooms and the darkroom). I have a 1000 square foot deck (my summer living room...) where I have a large colloidal silver water treated (non-chlorine and non-bromine) hot tub and where my Sauna is located. My deck is outfitted with all Teak deck furniture which I purchased many, many years ago. It doesn't need to be removed in the winter. It takes the weather super well and just turns a soft, beautiful gray color with the weather. I've had the same canvas table umbrella for at least 15 years. I don't like replacing things. I'm not a disposable believer. I like things that last. I still have a 1967 Nikon F that works super well... John On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 7:54 PM, Lisa blacksa...@comcast.net wrote: Hi John, What’s it cost to run (depending upon your electric cost per kwh of course). Thx. Lisa -- *From:* John E. Stevens [mailto:jonellis.steven...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:10 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSCS OFF TOPIC FIR SAUNAS I have a Sunlight Sauna, a far infrared and it hits about 147 degrees F (even in the dead of winter...) which pulls a lot of toxins out of my body. Mine is on my deck outside, but it could be set-up inside, too. It runs off 120 house power. I've noticed it's also helped to steadily keep my blood pressure around 120/74 to 120/70 - which is lower than it was before I owned the Sauna. I use it about 2 - 3 times a week for a half hour each time. I've been using it for a little over three years and I personally recommend it. My blood/sugar always has been alright so I can't comment on that. But as far sweating poisons out - you betcha'. John On Sat, Jan 23, 2010 at 5:17 PM, martsmai...@aol.com wrote: Do FIR sauna help control blood sugar levels? I recall a member who writes about saunas benefits. Thanks marty
CSShorty Awards
Thank God some Colloidal Silver Water machine makers are keeping us posted on contemporary events that affect everyone on silverlist... John Hi, Steve Barwick here, for www.TheSilverEdge.comhttp://www.thesilveredge.com/ ... Some interesting health news tidbits for you today: *Apparent Vote Fraud Mars Health Vote in “Shorty Awards”* According to tireless natural health advocate Mike Adams, the so-called Shorty Awards honoring micro-bloggers who use Twitter to inform and educate online readers have been shown to be conducted fraudulently. Says Adams, the vaccine-pushing orthodox medical system apparently did NOT want to see a prominent natural health advocate who strongly opposes vaccines win such a prestigious internet award. Adams states, I was set to take the top prize in the vote, and Dr. Mercola was in a solid second place when some vaccine pushers got word that a couple of natural medicine whackos (as they described us) were about to win the award, and they organized an opposition campaign to elect their own candidate -- a virtually unknown doctor from Australia who held a strong opinion against homeopathy and natural medicine while pushing vaccines and pharmaceuticals. They began to call for others to vote for this pro-vaccine candidate, even though most people had no idea who she was and had never even read her work. Apparently, the organizers of the Shorty Awards ended up completely deleting all votes for Mike Adams, thereby fraudulently leap-frogging the late-coming opponent of natural health into first place in the health category! Read more about this story herehttp://secretsofnaturalhealing.blogspot.com/2010/01/shorty-awards-voting-fraud-displaces.html, how the organizers of the vote apparently rigged the system in favor of orthodox medicine, and learn what *you* can do right now to help push another strong advocate of natural health into the top spot in the voting! *No Deaths from Vitamins, Minerals, Amino Acids, * *Herbs or Any Other Nutritional Supplement* The latest official government figures show there’s been not even *one*death from nutritional supplements in the entire year. Contrast that with an average prescription drug death rate of 106,000 people per year in this country, and you’ll start to understand why nutritional supplements are so popular, and why Big Pharma hates nutritional supplements so much! Read more about this story herehttp://secretsofnaturalhealing.blogspot.com/2010/01/no-deaths-from-vitamins-minerals-amino.html, and learn what the purveyors of conventional medicine and prescription drugs don’t want you to know! *Drug companies made false claims in order to* *induce panic and boost market for H1N1 vaccine...* The severity of the H1N1 outbreak was deliberately exaggerated by pharmaceutical companies that stood to make billions of dollars from a worldwide scare, a leading European health expert has claimed. Wolfgang Wodarg, head of health at the Council of Europe, has accused the makers of vaccines for the virus of unduly influencing the World Health Organisation's (WHO) decision to declare a pandemic. He claims the threshold for declaring a pandemic was purposely lowered so that vaccine makers could take maximum financial advantage of a crisis that literally didn't exist. Watch a short video interview with Dr. Wodarg herehttp://secretsofnaturalhealing.blogspot.com/2010/01/drug-companies-made-false-claims-in.html, and learn how the vaccine pushers make their billions by purposely inducing fear and panic in the public.
Re: CSbi-polar
Just what proof do you have of that advice, Dee? It's been known for years that dark amber colored glass bottles are the very best to store CSW in. The Freund company has great dark amber glass bottles with plastic tops so they won't rust or corrode. What is best is best - not just make-do... John On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 2:22 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: you don't need brown containers to store it in. dee On 22 Jan 2010, at 18:17, Sunwaterclear - Sunny wrote: Just wondering if anyone has any advice to help slight bi-polar mania [obviously NOT pharma!...] thanks sunny PS My silver generator arrived today.. am gonna make the first batch tonight.. I have boiled in a huge stainless steel tub, a canning jar and hoping it is gonna be relatively OK PPS Anyone got any good links to purchase brown containers to store silver water
Re: CSHerniated disc's
In comparing with prices with iherb, it appears to me, Swanson's prices are better - for the most part. John On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 2:23 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick d...@deetroy.orgwrote: iHerb is really cheap and good. dee On 22 Jan 2010, at 18:19, Sunwaterclear - Sunny wrote: John, any idea where to buy good Vit C online? or anyone else? I am not rich [understatement!] but don't want to waste money on poor quality stuff.. thanks sunny
