Re: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

[Ode Coyote]

  Frank may have more info, but i surmise that the "grey beard" is silver 
hydroxide particles trapped in the surface tension of hydrogen bubbles 
forming a semi conductive shell which grows another hydrogen bubble to trap 
more silver hydroxide in.


The black is silver oxide.

 If no stirring is used and the current is high enough, you can see a 
golden mist coming from one electrode [silver oxide] and a white mist 
[silver hydroxide] with nothing in between [ions]

Where these mists contact the bottom, spots form.

Note that between a white and black spot, a silver mirror often forms
For that to happen, silver ions must be picking up electrons from the 
surface of the glass.
Glass acts like a capacitor and also a poor solar panel that picks up 
electromagnetic radiation.


Ode



At 06:19 PM 9/25/2011 -0500, you wrote:

As a chemist, what would you say are the compounds that form on the
bottom of a CS production cell under each respective electrode.  I
have noticed this particularly when using straight (unbent) wires for
electrodes with no stirring of the solution.  There is a white
precipitate under one electrode and a browner or yellower precipitate
(if I remember right) under the other.  These materials seem to
dissolve in the solution as soon as it is stirred.

What is the grey beard material on the cathode and the black material
on the anode?

When I used to make silver jewelery I used to have quite a problem
with tarnishing which I believe was coming from natural gas (possibly
an additive) used for cooking in the home.

Thanks,

Dan

On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Frank  wrote:
> Hi list,
> I am obviously late to this thread but as a chemist, I would say that the
> common tarnishing of silver is produced by the formation of a layer of
> silver oxide, not silver sulfide. While it is true that there are some
> sulphur compounds in the atmosphere, the concentration is too small to 
be of

> consequence.
> Cheers
> FrankND
>
> -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote
> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 7:26 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS>[List Owner] Whew!
>
>
>
> Â Mike has a tendency to fixate on one idea, which may or may not have any
> real or practical basis, to the exclusion of all other elements that might
> modify that one.
> For instance: Â Sulphur can tarnish silver and some is present in the
> environment, therefore, any discoloration of silver HAS to be tarnish from
> exposure to sulphur...and any evidence to the contrary gets ignored or
> warped to fit.
> If anyone points that out, Â HE has a fit.
>
> Ode
>
>
>
> At 10:05 AM 9/24/2011 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>> Â Mike Monet originally joined the group back in 2006 with complaints 
about

>> mold spores which is why he came to us. He was so desparate to find an
>> answer about his mold problem to the point where he was triple washing his
>> clothes and burning holes in his bedsheets with strong chemicals. He even
>> mentioned fires in the microwave in his zealous though misguided attempt
>> to
>> kill the spores he supected were poisening him.
>>
>> Mike is a brilliant electronics engineer. At some point his mind fogged
>> and
>> he suspected the mold. As a result he came here and gleaned information
>> from
>> the group. He improved his eating habits and developed scientific methods
>> of
>> EIS production. His mind began to clear and he began to refine the
>> process.
>> Mike's intelligence is such that he has no social skills nearly to the
>> point
>> of being a sociopath. As he got his mind back (who knows if it was spores
>> or
>> what) he refined existing protocols for EIS production and now has hit on
>> something that makes logical sense to his electonics trained mind. However
>> his focus on things electrical and scientific was to the exclusion of
>> social
>> skills and so he blasted through the group like a bull in a china shop
>> never
>> considering he might be hurting peoples feelings. Indeed he would scoff
>> that
>> a person would allow their rational mind to be overcome by a feeling.
>>
>> I write this so that you the reader might understand a little of the
>> psyche
>> of Mike Monet and perhaps be able to forgive the crude manner in which he
>> communicated. Maybe even have empathy for him as he is surely a lonely
>> person.
>>
>> David Bearrow
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:09 PM
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Subject: CS>[List Owner] Whew!
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Whew!
>>
>> Mike M. has safely unsubb

Re: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

[Ode Coyote]

How Silver Tarnishes

People will say that silver "turns color", "gets dark", or 
"oxidizes".  While these may all be general descriptions, they are not 
scientifically accurate.


Silver is a metal that has many unique properties:  It's lustrous and is 
attractive for jewelry, and it is soft and easy to bend and shape. It also 
is dramatically affected by air pollution, notably what are known as 
sulfides (sulphides).


When a car or lawn mower burns gasoline, or an electric plant burns coal, 
it generates air pollution such as sulfur dioxide.  This goes into the air 
and circulates everywhere.  Therefore if you live downwind of a power 
plant, or in an urban environment, then your silver will tarnish faster.


"Tarnish" by definition ?

ode

At 12:27 PM 9/25/2011 -0400, you wrote:

Hi list,
I am obviously late to this thread but as a chemist, I would say that the 
common tarnishing of silver is produced by the formation of a layer of 
silver oxide, not silver sulfide. While it is true that there are some 
sulphur compounds in the atmosphere, the concentration is too small to be 
of consequence.

Cheers
FrankND

-Original Message- From: Ode Coyote
Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 7:26 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>[List Owner] Whew!



  Mike has a tendency to fixate on one idea, which may or may not have any
real or practical basis, to the exclusion of all other elements that might
modify that one.
For instance:  Sulphur can tarnish silver and some is present in the
environment, therefore, any discoloration of silver HAS to be tarnish from
exposure to sulphur...and any evidence to the contrary gets ignored or
warped to fit.
If anyone points that out,  HE has a fit.

Ode



At 10:05 AM 9/24/2011 -0500, you wrote:

 Mike Monet originally joined the group back in 2006 with complaints about
mold spores which is why he came to us. He was so desparate to find an
answer about his mold problem to the point where he was triple washing his
clothes and burning holes in his bedsheets with strong chemicals. He even
mentioned fires in the microwave in his zealous though misguided attempt to
kill the spores he supected were poisening him.

Mike is a brilliant electronics engineer. At some point his mind fogged and
he suspected the mold. As a result he came here and gleaned information from
the group. He improved his eating habits and developed scientific methods of
EIS production. His mind began to clear and he began to refine the process.
Mike's intelligence is such that he has no social skills nearly to the point
of being a sociopath. As he got his mind back (who knows if it was spores or
what) he refined existing protocols for EIS production and now has hit on
something that makes logical sense to his electonics trained mind. However
his focus on things electrical and scientific was to the exclusion of social
skills and so he blasted through the group like a bull in a china shop never
considering he might be hurting peoples feelings. Indeed he would scoff that
a person would allow their rational mind to be overcome by a feeling.

I write this so that you the reader might understand a little of the psyche
of Mike Monet and perhaps be able to forgive the crude manner in which he
communicated. Maybe even have empathy for him as he is surely a lonely
person.

David Bearrow

-Original Message-
From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:09 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

Hi folks,

Whew!

Mike M. has safely unsubbed from the group, and I wish him well in his
venture.



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Re: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

[Dan Nave]

As a chemist, what would you say are the compounds that form on the
bottom of a CS production cell under each respective electrode.  I
have noticed this particularly when using straight (unbent) wires for
electrodes with no stirring of the solution.  There is a white
precipitate under one electrode and a browner or yellower precipitate
(if I remember right) under the other.  These materials seem to
dissolve in the solution as soon as it is stirred.

What is the grey beard material on the cathode and the black material
on the anode?

When I used to make silver jewelery I used to have quite a problem
with tarnishing which I believe was coming from natural gas (possibly
an additive) used for cooking in the home.

Thanks,

Dan

On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 11:27 AM, Frank  wrote:
> Hi list,
> I am obviously late to this thread but as a chemist, I would say that the
> common tarnishing of silver is produced by the formation of a layer of
> silver oxide, not silver sulfide. While it is true that there are some
> sulphur compounds in the atmosphere, the concentration is too small to be of
> consequence.
> Cheers
> FrankND
>
> -Original Message- From: Ode Coyote
> Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 7:26 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: CS>[List Owner] Whew!
>
>
>
>  Mike has a tendency to fixate on one idea, which may or may not have any
> real or practical basis, to the exclusion of all other elements that might
> modify that one.
> For instance:  Sulphur can tarnish silver and some is present in the
> environment, therefore, any discoloration of silver HAS to be tarnish from
> exposure to sulphur...and any evidence to the contrary gets ignored or
> warped to fit.
> If anyone points that out,  HE has a fit.
>
> Ode
>
>
>
> At 10:05 AM 9/24/2011 -0500, you wrote:
>>
>>  Mike Monet originally joined the group back in 2006 with complaints about
>> mold spores which is why he came to us. He was so desparate to find an
>> answer about his mold problem to the point where he was triple washing his
>> clothes and burning holes in his bedsheets with strong chemicals. He even
>> mentioned fires in the microwave in his zealous though misguided attempt
>> to
>> kill the spores he supected were poisening him.
>>
>> Mike is a brilliant electronics engineer. At some point his mind fogged
>> and
>> he suspected the mold. As a result he came here and gleaned information
>> from
>> the group. He improved his eating habits and developed scientific methods
>> of
>> EIS production. His mind began to clear and he began to refine the
>> process.
>> Mike's intelligence is such that he has no social skills nearly to the
>> point
>> of being a sociopath. As he got his mind back (who knows if it was spores
>> or
>> what) he refined existing protocols for EIS production and now has hit on
>> something that makes logical sense to his electonics trained mind. However
>> his focus on things electrical and scientific was to the exclusion of
>> social
>> skills and so he blasted through the group like a bull in a china shop
>> never
>> considering he might be hurting peoples feelings. Indeed he would scoff
>> that
>> a person would allow their rational mind to be overcome by a feeling.
>>
>> I write this so that you the reader might understand a little of the
>> psyche
>> of Mike Monet and perhaps be able to forgive the crude manner in which he
>> communicated. Maybe even have empathy for him as he is surely a lonely
>> person.
>>
>> David Bearrow
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:09 PM
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Subject: CS>[List Owner] Whew!
>>
>> Hi folks,
>>
>> Whew!
>>
>> Mike M. has safely unsubbed from the group, and I wish him well in his
>> venture.
>>
>>
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Re: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

[Jonathan B. Britten]

That would be welcome.   I frankly doubt the claim that the EIS will be 
radically different from the usual current-controlled electrolysis.   The 
appeal of his idea for me was that the process of making it could be greatly 
simplified and that very cheap devices could become available to folks who need 
them and have the open-mindedness to experiment with something new.   That's  a 
very small market, sadly. 


 
On 2011/09/26, at 1:40, David AuBuchon wrote:

> Haha, yeah I am getting a little bit of a "don't say anything off topic" (ie 
> does not fit with his theories) vibe on his forum.  But understandably it is 
> his forum meant to bring out directions for a specific process to be tried.  
> I'll be seeing what he does.  I hope it works.
> 
> ~David


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Re: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

[Malcolm]

Hi Ode, good point, however there is a profound diff between the making
of something, f'rinstance EIS, and then it's subsequent effects either
by compounding it or inadvertently formed reactions of some unspecified
nature deep within the mysterious human bod. 
Take care, Malcolm


On Sun, 2011-09-25 at 07:56 -0400, Ode Coyote wrote:
> 
>I fail to see how desulfurizing would be useful when sulphur isn't 
> really a problem that needs solving to start with.
> If you have that much sulphur in your environment, you have bigger problems 
> that have nothing to do with making [EIS] CS.
> ..like acid rain and stink air ?
> And even then, it's easily kept away from the process.
> 
> Normally, it takes MONTHs for airborne sulphur to tarnish silver and it's 
> removed instantly the moment you apply power using the proper polarity, 
> whether or not aluminum/ silver reactions create the various ions.
> 
> If you think a little sulphur or sulfuric acid is going to hurt you, don't 
> eat onions.
> BTW  "Sulpha drugs" were once prevalent in killing off germs.
> 
> How about Silver sulfadiazine ...
> 
> BRAND NAME(S): Silvadene
> 
> works by stopping the growth of bacteria that may infect an open wound.
> 
> So..WHY NOT put some CS in your onion soup?
> 
> ode
> 
> 
> At 12:42 PM 9/24/2011 -0500, you wrote:
> >You wrote:
> >"> So if someone wants to throw a simple resistor between two leads on a nine
> > > volt battery, toss two curved electrodes in distilled water and call it a
> > > holy smoke device, that's great... but it's nothing new."
> >
> >I think that, if nothing else, we will find that the idea and method
> >of "desulfurizing" *is* new and will be an extremely useful tool for
> >EIS making.
> >
> >Also, In spite of any disagreements over chemistry equations, I
> >appreciate the efforts of many people including Ole Bob, Bob Lee,
> >Marshall, Ode, and Mike Monett in making the process of CS or EIS
> >production more understandable and removing it from the realm of
> >having to make it by the "phase of the moon" or thinking that there is
> >no way to get understandable or consistent results.
> >
> >Dan
> 
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Re: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

[David AuBuchon]

Haha, yeah I am getting a little bit of a "don't say anything off topic" (ie
does not fit with his theories) vibe on his forum.  But understandably it is
his forum meant to bring out directions for a specific process to be tried.
I'll be seeing what he does.  I hope it works.

~David

Re: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

[Frank]

Hi list,
I am obviously late to this thread but as a chemist, I would say that the 
common tarnishing of silver is produced by the formation of a layer of 
silver oxide, not silver sulfide. While it is true that there are some 
sulphur compounds in the atmosphere, the concentration is too small to be of 
consequence.

Cheers
FrankND

-Original Message- 
From: Ode Coyote

Sent: Sunday, September 25, 2011 7:26 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>[List Owner] Whew!



  Mike has a tendency to fixate on one idea, which may or may not have any
real or practical basis, to the exclusion of all other elements that might
modify that one.
For instance:  Sulphur can tarnish silver and some is present in the
environment, therefore, any discoloration of silver HAS to be tarnish from
exposure to sulphur...and any evidence to the contrary gets ignored or
warped to fit.
If anyone points that out,  HE has a fit.

Ode



At 10:05 AM 9/24/2011 -0500, you wrote:

 Mike Monet originally joined the group back in 2006 with complaints about
mold spores which is why he came to us. He was so desparate to find an
answer about his mold problem to the point where he was triple washing his
clothes and burning holes in his bedsheets with strong chemicals. He even
mentioned fires in the microwave in his zealous though misguided attempt to
kill the spores he supected were poisening him.

Mike is a brilliant electronics engineer. At some point his mind fogged and
he suspected the mold. As a result he came here and gleaned information 
from
the group. He improved his eating habits and developed scientific methods 
of

EIS production. His mind began to clear and he began to refine the process.
Mike's intelligence is such that he has no social skills nearly to the 
point
of being a sociopath. As he got his mind back (who knows if it was spores 
or

what) he refined existing protocols for EIS production and now has hit on
something that makes logical sense to his electonics trained mind. However
his focus on things electrical and scientific was to the exclusion of 
social
skills and so he blasted through the group like a bull in a china shop 
never
considering he might be hurting peoples feelings. Indeed he would scoff 
that

a person would allow their rational mind to be overcome by a feeling.

I write this so that you the reader might understand a little of the psyche
of Mike Monet and perhaps be able to forgive the crude manner in which he
communicated. Maybe even have empathy for him as he is surely a lonely
person.

David Bearrow

-Original Message-
From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:09 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

Hi folks,

Whew!

Mike M. has safely unsubbed from the group, and I wish him well in his
venture.



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Re: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

[Sandee George]

Hi There Ode - as usual you do not miss the boat Love it, had  
a good giggle Hope all is

well with you and yours in your neck of the woods !!!
Regards
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RE: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

[Ode Coyote]

  Mike has a tendency to fixate on one idea, which may or may not have any 
real or practical basis, to the exclusion of all other elements that might 
modify that one.
For instance:  Sulphur can tarnish silver and some is present in the 
environment, therefore, any discoloration of silver HAS to be tarnish from 
exposure to sulphur...and any evidence to the contrary gets ignored or 
warped to fit.

If anyone points that out,  HE has a fit.

Ode



At 10:05 AM 9/24/2011 -0500, you wrote:

 Mike Monet originally joined the group back in 2006 with complaints about
mold spores which is why he came to us. He was so desparate to find an
answer about his mold problem to the point where he was triple washing his
clothes and burning holes in his bedsheets with strong chemicals. He even
mentioned fires in the microwave in his zealous though misguided attempt to
kill the spores he supected were poisening him.

Mike is a brilliant electronics engineer. At some point his mind fogged and
he suspected the mold. As a result he came here and gleaned information from
the group. He improved his eating habits and developed scientific methods of
EIS production. His mind began to clear and he began to refine the process.
Mike's intelligence is such that he has no social skills nearly to the point
of being a sociopath. As he got his mind back (who knows if it was spores or
what) he refined existing protocols for EIS production and now has hit on
something that makes logical sense to his electonics trained mind. However
his focus on things electrical and scientific was to the exclusion of social
skills and so he blasted through the group like a bull in a china shop never
considering he might be hurting peoples feelings. Indeed he would scoff that
a person would allow their rational mind to be overcome by a feeling.

I write this so that you the reader might understand a little of the psyche
of Mike Monet and perhaps be able to forgive the crude manner in which he
communicated. Maybe even have empathy for him as he is surely a lonely
person.

David Bearrow

-Original Message-
From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:09 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

Hi folks,

Whew!

Mike M. has safely unsubbed from the group, and I wish him well in his
venture.



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Re: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

[Ode Coyote]

  I fail to see how desulfurizing would be useful when sulphur isn't 
really a problem that needs solving to start with.
If you have that much sulphur in your environment, you have bigger problems 
that have nothing to do with making [EIS] CS.

..like acid rain and stink air ?
And even then, it's easily kept away from the process.

Normally, it takes MONTHs for airborne sulphur to tarnish silver and it's 
removed instantly the moment you apply power using the proper polarity, 
whether or not aluminum/ silver reactions create the various ions.


If you think a little sulphur or sulfuric acid is going to hurt you, don't 
eat onions.

BTW  "Sulpha drugs" were once prevalent in killing off germs.

How about Silver sulfadiazine ...

BRAND NAME(S): Silvadene

works by stopping the growth of bacteria that may infect an open wound.

So..WHY NOT put some CS in your onion soup?

ode


At 12:42 PM 9/24/2011 -0500, you wrote:

You wrote:
"> So if someone wants to throw a simple resistor between two leads on a nine
> volt battery, toss two curved electrodes in distilled water and call it a
> holy smoke device, that's great... but it's nothing new."

I think that, if nothing else, we will find that the idea and method
of "desulfurizing" *is* new and will be an extremely useful tool for
EIS making.

Also, In spite of any disagreements over chemistry equations, I
appreciate the efforts of many people including Ole Bob, Bob Lee,
Marshall, Ode, and Mike Monett in making the process of CS or EIS
production more understandable and removing it from the realm of
having to make it by the "phase of the moon" or thinking that there is
no way to get understandable or consistent results.

Dan



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Re: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

[jaxi]

You are describing Asperger's - not sociopathy.  But I do appreciate your
feedback.  It does provide a lens through which to interpret his
behavior/actions differently.

Jaxi

On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 10:05 AM, David Bearrow  wrote:

>  Mike Monet originally joined the group back in 2006 with complaints about
> mold spores which is why he came to us. He was so desparate to find an
> answer about his mold problem to the point where he was triple washing his
> clothes and burning holes in his bedsheets with strong chemicals. He even
> mentioned fires in the microwave in his zealous though misguided attempt to
> kill the spores he supected were poisening him.
>
> Mike is a brilliant electronics engineer. At some point his mind fogged and
> he suspected the mold. As a result he came here and gleaned information
> from
> the group. He improved his eating habits and developed scientific methods
> of
> EIS production. His mind began to clear and he began to refine the process.
> Mike's intelligence is such that he has no social skills nearly to the
> point
> of being a sociopath. As he got his mind back (who knows if it was spores
> or
> what) he refined existing protocols for EIS production and now has hit on
> something that makes logical sense to his electonics trained mind. However
> his focus on things electrical and scientific was to the exclusion of
> social
> skills and so he blasted through the group like a bull in a china shop
> never
> considering he might be hurting peoples feelings. Indeed he would scoff
> that
> a person would allow their rational mind to be overcome by a feeling.
>
> I write this so that you the reader might understand a little of the psyche
> of Mike Monet and perhaps be able to forgive the crude manner in which he
> communicated. Maybe even have empathy for him as he is surely a lonely
> person.
>
> David Bearrow
>
> -Original Message-
> From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com]
> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:09 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>[List Owner] Whew!
>
> Hi folks,
>
> Whew!
>
> Mike M. has safely unsubbed from the group, and I wish him well in his
> venture.
>
>
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> List Owner: Mike Devour <mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com>
>
>
>

Re: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

[David AuBuchon]

Yes, I am following Mike's forum.  I don't see any difference as to whether
or not tarnish has sulfur.  The point is this:

When you do his process of running electrolysis between an aluminum strip
and both of the silver electrodes, he says he sees the silver get visibly
cleaner, and a thin film of something appears on the surface of the
distilled water.  I think this is a few hour process.  Then when he takes
off the power, the conductance of the water is still the same as the
original distilled water, meaning no ions have been added.  Though it would
be nice to know what is happening in detail,  that is still pretty strong
observational evidence that some contaminants are being removed, I think.


~David

RE: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

[starshar]

Even though I am not even slightly interested in following MM's
group/site and can appreciated that the disruptiveness is now over, I
appreciate David's kind treatment of him here. And I 'get it'.
Thank you for speaking from your heart, David.
( and a thanks to Mike D for being such a gentleman about it)
Sharon


 
>  Mike Monet originally joined the group back in 2006 with complaints
about
> mold spores which is why he came to us. He was so desparate to find an
> answer about his mold problem to the point where he was triple washing
his
> clothes and burning holes in his bedsheets with strong chemicals. He
even
> mentioned fires in the microwave in his zealous though misguided
attempt to
> kill the spores he supected were poisening him.
> 
> Mike is a brilliant electronics engineer. At some point his mind
fogged and
> he suspected the mold. As a result he came here and gleaned
information from
> the group. He improved his eating habits and developed scientific
methods of
> EIS production. His mind began to clear and he began to refine the
process.
> Mike's intelligence is such that he has no social skills nearly to the
point
> of being a sociopath. As he got his mind back (who knows if it was
spores or
> what) he refined existing protocols for EIS production and now has hit
on
> something that makes logical sense to his electonics trained mind.
However
> his focus on things electrical and scientific was to the exclusion of
social
> skills and so he blasted through the group like a bull in a china shop
never
> considering he might be hurting peoples feelings. Indeed he would
scoff that
> a person would allow their rational mind to be overcome by a feeling.
> 
> I write this so that you the reader might understand a little of the
psyche
> of Mike Monet and perhaps be able to forgive the crude manner in which
he
> communicated. Maybe even have empathy for him as he is surely a lonely
> person.
> 
> David Bearrow


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Re: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

[Dan Nave]

Hi Jason,

I understood that the cleaning process was an electrolytic process in
distilled water which involved only adding a temporary aluminum strip
as the (+) electrode and connecting battery (-) to the two silver
electrodes and running current through them for a short time.

So, although I haven't tried it, it doesn't seem like it will cause
any sort of degrading of the electrodes.  In fact, it seems as if it
might be less degrading than mechanically cleaning them.

Dan

On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 1:09 PM, Jason R Eaton  wrote:
> Hi Dan:
>
> I've always taught people to pay extra careful attention to keeping
> electrodes in good shape.
>
> I don't think using any type of chemical solution is anywhere near as
> effective as a bit of old fashioned elbow grease and non-reactive abbrasive.
>
> And the problem with using any dipping or chemical solution to cleanse the
> silver rods is that no matter how hard you try, you are still going to get
> uneven wear on the silver ( even if you at first can't see it with the naked
> eye).  That means, that nothing short of polishing will return silver
> electsrodes to their most ideal state for brewing.  And it does make a very
> big difference in quality.
>
> That's my one problem with the SG-7; it's difficult to properly clean the
> electrodes; a bit of an art form, but with practice, it gets easier.  I know
> there are alot of people who think that cleaning electrodes is not
> necessary, but I can easily demonstrate the difference between batches done
> with pristine electrodes, and ones that aren't.
>
> Oh, and don't forget to add Ivan to the list; not sure what ever became of
> his laboratory grade CS generator project, but I also learned alot from his
> creative exploits.
>
> ~Jason
>
> ----- Original Message - From: "Dan Nave" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 10:42
> Subject: Re: CS>[List Owner] Whew!
>
>
> You wrote:
> "> So if someone wants to throw a simple resistor between two leads on a
> nine
>>
>> volt battery, toss two curved electrodes in distilled water and call it a
>> holy smoke device, that's great... but it's nothing new."
>
> I think that, if nothing else, we will find that the idea and method
> of "desulfurizing" *is* new and will be an extremely useful tool for
> EIS making.
>
> Also, In spite of any disagreements over chemistry equations, I
> appreciate the efforts of many people including Ole Bob, Bob Lee,
> Marshall, Ode, and Mike Monett in making the process of CS or EIS
> production more understandable and removing it from the realm of
> having to make it by the "phase of the moon" or thinking that there is
> no way to get understandable or consistent results.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Jason R Eaton 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi David:
>>
>> Indeed. Certainly a forgiveable offense, in my book.
>>
>> The problem I have with individuals who display similiar tendencies (I'm
>> certainly not going to comment directly about MM in particular, because I
>> do
>> not know him), is that they tend to leave a wasteland of human carnage
>> wherever they go.
>>
>> Healing isn't about science, it's about people. Science isn't about
>> technical pursuit, it's about rigorous honesty and meticulous observation.
>>
>> Where I draw the line is the true motives of an individual. It is quite
>> normal for people to say their motive is one thing, and have it be very,
>> very different. Sometimes you have to listen very, very carefully in order
>> to hear.
>>
>> For example, there's a reason I refer people to Trem and 'Ode, and that
>> reason only superficially has to do with the quality of their products. I
>> know that neither of them are going to tell the people I send to them
>> something that is going to cause them harm, and that they are going to be
>> as
>> honest as they know how to be, and for no other motive than it's the
>> decent
>> thing to do.
>>
>> If I were to send someone to MM currently, and they had strep throat, his
>> advice could possibly kill them. You don't treat throat infections with
>> sublingual anything, least of all strep. I also wouldn't appreciate very
>> much if he told his "single mother with three kids" that her pneumonia or
>> bronchitis couldn't be helped with EIS nebulization because she would get
>> something similiar to mesothelioma.
>>
>> And I don't think it is very brilliant science that states that there is
>> no
>> ox

Re: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

[slickpicker]

If 300ppm EIS was of no benefit, it doesn't seem that anything Monet's device 
produces would be any more helpful.

Terry 

 David AuBuchon  wrote: 
> I hope so too, as current silver products do not touch my bugs...nor do most
> any other therapies.
> 
> FYI, I took a tsp a of evaporated EIS, down to 300PPM brown color, no
> effect, except a mild upset stomach =).
> 
> 
> ~David


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Re: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

[slickpicker]

Jason:

What is your recommended process/materials for cleaning electrodes (I have an 
SG6)?

Thanks,
Terry

 Jason R Eaton  wrote: 
> Hi Dan:
> 
> I've always taught people to pay extra careful attention to keeping 
> electrodes in good shape.
> 
> I don't think using any type of chemical solution is anywhere near as 
> effective as a bit of old fashioned elbow grease and non-reactive abbrasive.
> 
> And the problem with using any dipping or chemical solution to cleanse the 
> silver rods is that no matter how hard you try, you are still going to get 
> uneven wear on the silver ( even if you at first can't see it with the naked 
> eye).  That means, that nothing short of polishing will return silver 
> electsrodes to their most ideal state for brewing.  And it does make a very 
> big difference in quality.
> 
> That's my one problem with the SG-7; it's difficult to properly clean the 
> electrodes; a bit of an art form, but with practice, it gets easier.  I know 
> there are alot of people who think that cleaning electrodes is not 
> necessary, but I can easily demonstrate the difference between batches done 
> with pristine electrodes, and ones that aren't.
> 
> Oh, and don't forget to add Ivan to the list; not sure what ever became of 
> his laboratory grade CS generator project, but I also learned alot from his 
> creative exploits.
> 
> ~Jason
> 
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Dan Nave" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 10:42
> Subject: Re: CS>[List Owner] Whew!
> 
> 
> You wrote:
> "> So if someone wants to throw a simple resistor between two leads on a 
> nine
> > volt battery, toss two curved electrodes in distilled water and call it a
> > holy smoke device, that's great... but it's nothing new."
> 
> I think that, if nothing else, we will find that the idea and method
> of "desulfurizing" *is* new and will be an extremely useful tool for
> EIS making.
> 
> Also, In spite of any disagreements over chemistry equations, I
> appreciate the efforts of many people including Ole Bob, Bob Lee,
> Marshall, Ode, and Mike Monett in making the process of CS or EIS
> production more understandable and removing it from the realm of
> having to make it by the "phase of the moon" or thinking that there is
> no way to get understandable or consistent results.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Jason R Eaton  
> wrote:
> > Hi David:
> >
> > Indeed. Certainly a forgiveable offense, in my book.
> >
> > The problem I have with individuals who display similiar tendencies (I'm
> > certainly not going to comment directly about MM in particular, because I 
> > do
> > not know him), is that they tend to leave a wasteland of human carnage
> > wherever they go.
> >
> > Healing isn't about science, it's about people. Science isn't about
> > technical pursuit, it's about rigorous honesty and meticulous observation.
> >
> > Where I draw the line is the true motives of an individual. It is quite
> > normal for people to say their motive is one thing, and have it be very,
> > very different. Sometimes you have to listen very, very carefully in order
> > to hear.
> >
> > For example, there's a reason I refer people to Trem and 'Ode, and that
> > reason only superficially has to do with the quality of their products. I
> > know that neither of them are going to tell the people I send to them
> > something that is going to cause them harm, and that they are going to be 
> > as
> > honest as they know how to be, and for no other motive than it's the 
> > decent
> > thing to do.
> >
> > If I were to send someone to MM currently, and they had strep throat, his
> > advice could possibly kill them. You don't treat throat infections with
> > sublingual anything, least of all strep. I also wouldn't appreciate very
> > much if he told his "single mother with three kids" that her pneumonia or
> > bronchitis couldn't be helped with EIS nebulization because she would get
> > something similiar to mesothelioma.
> >
> > And I don't think it is very brilliant science that states that there is 
> > no
> > oxidation in the EIS process; and the individual turns around and talks
> > about silver hydroxide formation (silver hydroxide is an oxide, which is
> > formed through oxidation).
> >
> > When I run into a bad case of suspected strep, I tell the individual if 
> > they
> > want to treat it with silver, and with

Re: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

[Jason R Eaton]

Hi Dan:

I've always taught people to pay extra careful attention to keeping 
electrodes in good shape.


I don't think using any type of chemical solution is anywhere near as 
effective as a bit of old fashioned elbow grease and non-reactive abbrasive.


And the problem with using any dipping or chemical solution to cleanse the 
silver rods is that no matter how hard you try, you are still going to get 
uneven wear on the silver ( even if you at first can't see it with the naked 
eye).  That means, that nothing short of polishing will return silver 
electsrodes to their most ideal state for brewing.  And it does make a very 
big difference in quality.


That's my one problem with the SG-7; it's difficult to properly clean the 
electrodes; a bit of an art form, but with practice, it gets easier.  I know 
there are alot of people who think that cleaning electrodes is not 
necessary, but I can easily demonstrate the difference between batches done 
with pristine electrodes, and ones that aren't.


Oh, and don't forget to add Ivan to the list; not sure what ever became of 
his laboratory grade CS generator project, but I also learned alot from his 
creative exploits.


~Jason

- Original Message - 
From: "Dan Nave" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 10:42
Subject: Re: CS>[List Owner] Whew!


You wrote:
"> So if someone wants to throw a simple resistor between two leads on a 
nine

volt battery, toss two curved electrodes in distilled water and call it a
holy smoke device, that's great... but it's nothing new."


I think that, if nothing else, we will find that the idea and method
of "desulfurizing" *is* new and will be an extremely useful tool for
EIS making.

Also, In spite of any disagreements over chemistry equations, I
appreciate the efforts of many people including Ole Bob, Bob Lee,
Marshall, Ode, and Mike Monett in making the process of CS or EIS
production more understandable and removing it from the realm of
having to make it by the "phase of the moon" or thinking that there is
no way to get understandable or consistent results.

Dan



On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Jason R Eaton  
wrote:

Hi David:

Indeed. Certainly a forgiveable offense, in my book.

The problem I have with individuals who display similiar tendencies (I'm
certainly not going to comment directly about MM in particular, because I 
do

not know him), is that they tend to leave a wasteland of human carnage
wherever they go.

Healing isn't about science, it's about people. Science isn't about
technical pursuit, it's about rigorous honesty and meticulous observation.

Where I draw the line is the true motives of an individual. It is quite
normal for people to say their motive is one thing, and have it be very,
very different. Sometimes you have to listen very, very carefully in order
to hear.

For example, there's a reason I refer people to Trem and 'Ode, and that
reason only superficially has to do with the quality of their products. I
know that neither of them are going to tell the people I send to them
something that is going to cause them harm, and that they are going to be 
as
honest as they know how to be, and for no other motive than it's the 
decent

thing to do.

If I were to send someone to MM currently, and they had strep throat, his
advice could possibly kill them. You don't treat throat infections with
sublingual anything, least of all strep. I also wouldn't appreciate very
much if he told his "single mother with three kids" that her pneumonia or
bronchitis couldn't be helped with EIS nebulization because she would get
something similiar to mesothelioma.

And I don't think it is very brilliant science that states that there is 
no

oxidation in the EIS process; and the individual turns around and talks
about silver hydroxide formation (silver hydroxide is an oxide, which is
formed through oxidation).

When I run into a bad case of suspected strep, I tell the individual if 
they

want to treat it with silver, and without modern medicine, they need to
follow instructions exactly, and if they don't choose to do it, that's 
fine;

they need to go see a doctor.

Treatment is simple and has always been effective, but requires a constant
supply of fresh ions. Just 1/2 ounce or so, held under the tongue for 
about

a minute or so, and trickled down the throat, at least every 15 minutes
until the throat starts to feel better, and then about every hour or two
until the problem is gone. If results are not achieved within 48 hours
(which has never happened in my experience), then one would still need to
see an qualified MD.

Some strep infections are really simple, and some are very aggressive. One
cannot know offhand how aggressive the infection is, or why.

I'm all for methods to improve EIS. I'd be working on them myself, only I
haven

Re: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

[David AuBuchon]

I hope so too, as current silver products do not touch my bugs...nor do most
any other therapies.

FYI, I took a tsp a of evaporated EIS, down to 300PPM brown color, no
effect, except a mild upset stomach =).


~David

Re: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

[slickpicker]

I never fully understood Monet's theories or process (not that it means much, 
but my long-ago college minor was chemistry). Perhaps I didn't dig hard enough 
since my SG6-produced EIS seems to do what I need it to, or perhaps my 
knowledge of chemistry is too dated/limited; hopefully a list member will give 
Monet's ideas a go, get a superior product, and post a simple how-to here that 
everyone can use.

Terry


 Dan Nave  wrote: 
> You wrote:
> "> So if someone wants to throw a simple resistor between two leads on a nine
> > volt battery, toss two curved electrodes in distilled water and call it a
> > holy smoke device, that's great... but it's nothing new."
> 
> I think that, if nothing else, we will find that the idea and method
> of "desulfurizing" *is* new and will be an extremely useful tool for
> EIS making.
> 
> Also, In spite of any disagreements over chemistry equations, I
> appreciate the efforts of many people including Ole Bob, Bob Lee,
> Marshall, Ode, and Mike Monett in making the process of CS or EIS
> production more understandable and removing it from the realm of
> having to make it by the "phase of the moon" or thinking that there is
> no way to get understandable or consistent results.
> 
> Dan
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Jason R Eaton  wrote:
> > Hi David:
> >
> > Indeed.  Certainly a forgiveable offense, in my book.
> >
> > The problem I have with individuals who display similiar tendencies (I'm
> > certainly not going to comment directly about MM in particular, because I do
> > not know him), is that they tend to leave a wasteland of human carnage
> > wherever they go.
> >
> > Healing isn't about science, it's about people. Science isn't about
> > technical pursuit, it's about rigorous honesty and meticulous observation.
> >
> > Where I draw the line is the true motives of an individual.  It is quite
> > normal for people to say their motive is one thing, and have it be very,
> > very different.  Sometimes you have to listen very, very carefully in order
> > to hear.
> >
> > For example, there's a reason I refer people to Trem and 'Ode, and that
> > reason only superficially has to do with the quality of their products.  I
> > know that neither of them are going to tell the people I send to them
> > something that is going to cause them harm, and that they are going to be as
> > honest as they know how to be, and for no other motive than it's the decent
> > thing to do.
> >
> > If I were to send someone to MM currently, and they had strep throat, his
> > advice could possibly kill them.  You don't treat throat infections with
> > sublingual anything, least of all strep.  I also wouldn't appreciate very
> > much if he told his "single mother with three kids" that her pneumonia or
> > bronchitis couldn't be helped with EIS nebulization because she would get
> > something similiar to mesothelioma.
> >
> > And I don't think it is very brilliant science that states that there is no
> > oxidation in the EIS process; and the individual turns around and talks
> > about silver hydroxide formation (silver hydroxide is an oxide, which is
> > formed through oxidation).
> >
> > When I run into a bad case of suspected strep, I tell the individual if they
> > want to treat it with silver, and without modern medicine, they need to
> > follow instructions exactly, and if they don't choose to do it, that's fine;
> > they need to go see a doctor.
> >
> > Treatment is simple and has always been effective, but requires a constant
> > supply of fresh ions.  Just 1/2 ounce or so, held under the tongue for about
> > a minute or so, and trickled down the throat, at least every 15 minutes
> > until the throat starts to feel better, and then about every hour or two
> > until the problem is gone.  If results are not achieved within 48 hours
> > (which has never happened in my experience), then one would still need to
> > see an qualified MD.
> >
> > Some strep infections are really simple, and some are very aggressive.  One
> > cannot know offhand how aggressive the infection is, or why.
> >
> > I'm all for methods to improve EIS.  I'd be working on them myself, only I
> > haven't ever had the need.    The stuff we make works extremely well, and
> > always works for the things I believe it WILL work for.
> >
> > So if someone wants to throw a simple resistor between two leads on a nine
> > volt battery, toss two curved el

Re: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

[Dan Nave]

You wrote:
"> So if someone wants to throw a simple resistor between two leads on a nine
> volt battery, toss two curved electrodes in distilled water and call it a
> holy smoke device, that's great... but it's nothing new."

I think that, if nothing else, we will find that the idea and method
of "desulfurizing" *is* new and will be an extremely useful tool for
EIS making.

Also, In spite of any disagreements over chemistry equations, I
appreciate the efforts of many people including Ole Bob, Bob Lee,
Marshall, Ode, and Mike Monett in making the process of CS or EIS
production more understandable and removing it from the realm of
having to make it by the "phase of the moon" or thinking that there is
no way to get understandable or consistent results.

Dan



On Sat, Sep 24, 2011 at 11:46 AM, Jason R Eaton  wrote:
> Hi David:
>
> Indeed.  Certainly a forgiveable offense, in my book.
>
> The problem I have with individuals who display similiar tendencies (I'm
> certainly not going to comment directly about MM in particular, because I do
> not know him), is that they tend to leave a wasteland of human carnage
> wherever they go.
>
> Healing isn't about science, it's about people. Science isn't about
> technical pursuit, it's about rigorous honesty and meticulous observation.
>
> Where I draw the line is the true motives of an individual.  It is quite
> normal for people to say their motive is one thing, and have it be very,
> very different.  Sometimes you have to listen very, very carefully in order
> to hear.
>
> For example, there's a reason I refer people to Trem and 'Ode, and that
> reason only superficially has to do with the quality of their products.  I
> know that neither of them are going to tell the people I send to them
> something that is going to cause them harm, and that they are going to be as
> honest as they know how to be, and for no other motive than it's the decent
> thing to do.
>
> If I were to send someone to MM currently, and they had strep throat, his
> advice could possibly kill them.  You don't treat throat infections with
> sublingual anything, least of all strep.  I also wouldn't appreciate very
> much if he told his "single mother with three kids" that her pneumonia or
> bronchitis couldn't be helped with EIS nebulization because she would get
> something similiar to mesothelioma.
>
> And I don't think it is very brilliant science that states that there is no
> oxidation in the EIS process; and the individual turns around and talks
> about silver hydroxide formation (silver hydroxide is an oxide, which is
> formed through oxidation).
>
> When I run into a bad case of suspected strep, I tell the individual if they
> want to treat it with silver, and without modern medicine, they need to
> follow instructions exactly, and if they don't choose to do it, that's fine;
> they need to go see a doctor.
>
> Treatment is simple and has always been effective, but requires a constant
> supply of fresh ions.  Just 1/2 ounce or so, held under the tongue for about
> a minute or so, and trickled down the throat, at least every 15 minutes
> until the throat starts to feel better, and then about every hour or two
> until the problem is gone.  If results are not achieved within 48 hours
> (which has never happened in my experience), then one would still need to
> see an qualified MD.
>
> Some strep infections are really simple, and some are very aggressive.  One
> cannot know offhand how aggressive the infection is, or why.
>
> I'm all for methods to improve EIS.  I'd be working on them myself, only I
> haven't ever had the need.    The stuff we make works extremely well, and
> always works for the things I believe it WILL work for.
>
> So if someone wants to throw a simple resistor between two leads on a nine
> volt battery, toss two curved electrodes in distilled water and call it a
> holy smoke device, that's great... but it's nothing new.
>
> ~Jason
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "David Bearrow" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 08:05
> Subject: RE: CS>[List Owner] Whew!
>
>
>> Mike Monet originally joined the group back in 2006 with complaints about
>> mold spores which is why he came to us. He was so desparate to find an
>> answer about his mold problem to the point where he was triple washing his
>> clothes and burning holes in his bedsheets with strong chemicals. He even
>> mentioned fires in the microwave in his zealous though misguided attempt
>> to
>> kill the spores he supected were poisening him.
>>
>> Mike is a brilliant electronics engineer.

Re: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

[Jason R Eaton]

Hi David:

Indeed.  Certainly a forgiveable offense, in my book.

The problem I have with individuals who display similiar tendencies (I'm 
certainly not going to comment directly about MM in particular, because I do 
not know him), is that they tend to leave a wasteland of human carnage 
wherever they go.


Healing isn't about science, it's about people. Science isn't about 
technical pursuit, it's about rigorous honesty and meticulous observation.


Where I draw the line is the true motives of an individual.  It is quite 
normal for people to say their motive is one thing, and have it be very, 
very different.  Sometimes you have to listen very, very carefully in order 
to hear.


For example, there's a reason I refer people to Trem and 'Ode, and that 
reason only superficially has to do with the quality of their products.  I 
know that neither of them are going to tell the people I send to them 
something that is going to cause them harm, and that they are going to be as 
honest as they know how to be, and for no other motive than it's the decent 
thing to do.


If I were to send someone to MM currently, and they had strep throat, his 
advice could possibly kill them.  You don't treat throat infections with 
sublingual anything, least of all strep.  I also wouldn't appreciate very 
much if he told his "single mother with three kids" that her pneumonia or 
bronchitis couldn't be helped with EIS nebulization because she would get 
something similiar to mesothelioma.


And I don't think it is very brilliant science that states that there is no 
oxidation in the EIS process; and the individual turns around and talks 
about silver hydroxide formation (silver hydroxide is an oxide, which is 
formed through oxidation).


When I run into a bad case of suspected strep, I tell the individual if they 
want to treat it with silver, and without modern medicine, they need to 
follow instructions exactly, and if they don't choose to do it, that's fine; 
they need to go see a doctor.


Treatment is simple and has always been effective, but requires a constant 
supply of fresh ions.  Just 1/2 ounce or so, held under the tongue for about 
a minute or so, and trickled down the throat, at least every 15 minutes 
until the throat starts to feel better, and then about every hour or two 
until the problem is gone.  If results are not achieved within 48 hours 
(which has never happened in my experience), then one would still need to 
see an qualified MD.


Some strep infections are really simple, and some are very aggressive.  One 
cannot know offhand how aggressive the infection is, or why.


I'm all for methods to improve EIS.  I'd be working on them myself, only I 
haven't ever had the need.The stuff we make works extremely well, and 
always works for the things I believe it WILL work for.


So if someone wants to throw a simple resistor between two leads on a nine 
volt battery, toss two curved electrodes in distilled water and call it a 
holy smoke device, that's great... but it's nothing new.


~Jason


- Original Message - 
From: "David Bearrow" 

To: 
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2011 08:05
Subject: RE: CS>[List Owner] Whew!



Mike Monet originally joined the group back in 2006 with complaints about
mold spores which is why he came to us. He was so desparate to find an
answer about his mold problem to the point where he was triple washing his
clothes and burning holes in his bedsheets with strong chemicals. He even
mentioned fires in the microwave in his zealous though misguided attempt 
to

kill the spores he supected were poisening him.

Mike is a brilliant electronics engineer. At some point his mind fogged 
and
he suspected the mold. As a result he came here and gleaned information 
from
the group. He improved his eating habits and developed scientific methods 
of
EIS production. His mind began to clear and he began to refine the 
process.
Mike's intelligence is such that he has no social skills nearly to the 
point
of being a sociopath. As he got his mind back (who knows if it was spores 
or

what) he refined existing protocols for EIS production and now has hit on
something that makes logical sense to his electonics trained mind. However
his focus on things electrical and scientific was to the exclusion of 
social
skills and so he blasted through the group like a bull in a china shop 
never
considering he might be hurting peoples feelings. Indeed he would scoff 
that

a person would allow their rational mind to be overcome by a feeling.

I write this so that you the reader might understand a little of the 
psyche

of Mike Monet and perhaps be able to forgive the crude manner in which he
communicated. Maybe even have empathy for him as he is surely a lonely
person.

David Bearrow

-Original Message-
From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com]
Sent: Thursday, 

RE: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

[David Bearrow]

 Mike Monet originally joined the group back in 2006 with complaints about
mold spores which is why he came to us. He was so desparate to find an
answer about his mold problem to the point where he was triple washing his
clothes and burning holes in his bedsheets with strong chemicals. He even
mentioned fires in the microwave in his zealous though misguided attempt to
kill the spores he supected were poisening him.

Mike is a brilliant electronics engineer. At some point his mind fogged and
he suspected the mold. As a result he came here and gleaned information from
the group. He improved his eating habits and developed scientific methods of
EIS production. His mind began to clear and he began to refine the process.
Mike's intelligence is such that he has no social skills nearly to the point
of being a sociopath. As he got his mind back (who knows if it was spores or
what) he refined existing protocols for EIS production and now has hit on
something that makes logical sense to his electonics trained mind. However
his focus on things electrical and scientific was to the exclusion of social
skills and so he blasted through the group like a bull in a china shop never
considering he might be hurting peoples feelings. Indeed he would scoff that
a person would allow their rational mind to be overcome by a feeling.

I write this so that you the reader might understand a little of the psyche
of Mike Monet and perhaps be able to forgive the crude manner in which he
communicated. Maybe even have empathy for him as he is surely a lonely
person.

David Bearrow

-Original Message-
From: M. G. Devour [mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:09 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

Hi folks,

Whew!

Mike M. has safely unsubbed from the group, and I wish him well in his
venture.



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[M. G. Devour]

Dear Tel,

> Way to go Mike, I tough the site was going to explode ?

No, no, no...  I didn't do a thing. He left under his own power.


> Well, I heard it all before with others who are not here anymore.

I'll cut him slack since he's adamantly not doing it for commercial
motives. As long as things remain *reasonably* tame, I'd be willing to
tolerate his foibles in hopes the project comes to fruition.

Time will tell.

>  Thanks Mike for all you do !

Such as it is and what there is of it. 

You're welcome.

Peace,

M.

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[cking001]

HA! I won the pool.
Had him here for less than a month...

Chuck
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On 9/22/2011 11:03:40 PM, M. G. Devour (mdev...@eskimo.com) wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> Whew!
> 
> Mike M. has safely unsubbed from the group, and I wish him well in his
> venture.


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[Tel Tofflemire]

Way to go Mike, I tough the site was going to explode ?
Well, I heard it all before with others who are not here anymore.
 Thanks Mike for all you do !
Tel Tofflemire
Dewey, AZ.



From: M. G. Devour 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:03 PM
Subject: CS>[List Owner] Whew!

Hi folks,

Whew!

Mike M. has safely unsubbed from the group, and I wish him well in his 
venture.

That got a bit out of hand near the end, while my attention was 
elsewhere. Sorry. Thanks for handling it as well as you all did. 

I only hope that he will now accomplish the stated goals of his efforts 
and publish a free design that folks can test and verify. If it works 
significantly better than other equally simple designs, great.

If there's something better waiting to be found, that is a wonderful 
thing. Meanwhile, we have the good results and extensive experience of 
the last, what, 14 years or so? Improvements to that record will indeed 
need to be something very good.

I would appreciate if those interested in following his development 
work report back here from time to time to keep us informed.

Here's hoping letting ourselves be picked over for ideas did some good. 


Peace,

Mike D.

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CS>[List Owner] Whew!

[M. G. Devour]

Hi folks,

Whew!

Mike M. has safely unsubbed from the group, and I wish him well in his 
venture.

That got a bit out of hand near the end, while my attention was 
elsewhere. Sorry. Thanks for handling it as well as you all did. 

I only hope that he will now accomplish the stated goals of his efforts 
and publish a free design that folks can test and verify. If it works 
significantly better than other equally simple designs, great.

If there's something better waiting to be found, that is a wonderful 
thing. Meanwhile, we have the good results and extensive experience of 
the last, what, 14 years or so? Improvements to that record will indeed 
need to be something very good.

I would appreciate if those interested in following his development 
work report back here from time to time to keep us informed.

Here's hoping letting ourselves be picked over for ideas did some good. 


Peace,

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com]
[Speaking only for myself...   ]


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