Re: CSMMS and Church
Hi Gail, this is the chap I was talking as out - Daddybob! He was the guy who told me off when I advised caution with MMS but later admitted (to the list) that he had serious problems...dee Sent from my iPad On 2 Nov 2014, at 19:02, Gail Naranjo wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Jason group, In the early years of MMS we all seemed to jump on the bandwagon. Those of us on various health/alternative lists I'm on anyway and we shared our experience. Remember Daddybob, he was a regular of many lists I visit. Anyway his personality is the type to jump in and as he often said, 'get er done' He started having heart issues, and sorry I can't remember what they were, but he attributed them to his MMS use. Others wrote in complaining about heart palpitation after starting the MMS as well. It is something to be aware of that is due attention. There was a guy on the MMS list I was on that differed with Jim about the chemistry. He did believe in the use of MMS but at a different concentration. I think that was his main difference. It's been years since this this happened so might not remember exactly how he differed. Anyway, some of the members on the list that were involved with the church were so rude to him. One guy even called him a pharmaceutical whore. Sorry for the language but wanted to give the direct quote. Whether this man was a pharmaceutical rep or not, I do not know, but his behavior came across as professional and polite, while the church members were blatantly rude, which was a real turn off to me. I really know nothing about chemistry and certainly am not a pharm rep, just a person with a chronic illness trying to recover. But I do know if you have a viable, good product, it will sale itself. One does not have to use ill manner tactics to make a sale. I have also notice when someone does speak out with a different opinion regarding the safety, effectiveness, or Jim himself, they are not received graciously. Not everybody frequenting these lists that speak out against it are working for the enemy, which is usually the church response. In fact, I think most of us here are people trying to find answers for our health problems, the majority are anyway. And then some are also in some form of alternative business promoting their business. Regarding Jim and his business: Anybody who is in an alternative field must abide by the law of the land. People have been put in jail that I personally don't think deserve to go to jail. For their own protection, they better abide by the law or get out. Speaking as a customer of many different alternative protocols, I want to have the freedom to be able to try anything that I think might benefit me. I think if people would present their product with plain old manners and stop the bickering, it would go a long way and we might be able to reach an educated decision much sooner. Gail On Sunday, November 2, 2014 11:13 AM, Jason ja...@eytonsearth.org wrote: ...I agree Tony. Jim was dead wrong when he developed his initial protocols, and may tried to tell him so. He not only ignored them, but was quite belligerent, and he had absolutely no real training in oxidative therapies. Then, of course, he changed his protocols, which are now much safer. In my opinion, ozone is more effective and certainly safer because the exact concentrations that the body can safely tolerate are well established by extensive research. ~Jason On 11/2/2014 9:47 AM, Tony Moody wrote: Hallo AJR, Umm, Call me what you want. But most of my relevant credentials are alternate or complementary healing of one sort or another. I tried MMS at the lowest dose and it made me sick as a dog and it took me at least 5 weeks to get back to my normal self. There was absolutely no help at the time from the MMS group. I was not the only one, there had already been several and there were many after me who complained. We were all shut down and poo-pood and ignored. Then a few chemically orientated people chimed in and pointed out what could be happening physiologically or biologically. .. then Jim Humble changed his formulation to a much weaker solution or used a different acid or something. I'd lost interest in the MMS and the deaf bigots surrounding the concept. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMMS and Church
Sorry, that should have been 'about' ...dee Sent from my iPad On 3 Nov 2014, at 08:58, Dee d...@deetroy.org wrote: Hi Gail, this is the chap I was talking as out - Daddybob! He was the guy who told me off when I advised caution with MMS but later admitted (to the list) that he had serious problems...dee Sent from my iPad On 2 Nov 2014, at 19:02, Gail Naranjo wanda85...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi Jason group, In the early years of MMS we all seemed to jump on the bandwagon. Those of us on various health/alternative lists I'm on anyway and we shared our experience. Remember Daddybob, he was a regular of many lists I visit. Anyway his personality is the type to jump in and as he often said, 'get er done' He started having heart issues, and sorry I can't remember what they were, but he attributed them to his MMS use. Others wrote in complaining about heart palpitation after starting the MMS as well. It is something to be aware of that is due attention. There was a guy on the MMS list I was on that differed with Jim about the chemistry. He did believe in the use of MMS but at a different concentration. I think that was his main difference. It's been years since this this happened so might not remember exactly how he differed. Anyway, some of the members on the list that were involved with the church were so rude to him. One guy even called him a pharmaceutical whore. Sorry for the language but wanted to give the direct quote. Whether this man was a pharmaceutical rep or not, I do not know, but his behavior came across as professional and polite, while the church members were blatantly rude, which was a real turn off to me. I really know nothing about chemistry and certainly am not a pharm rep, just a person with a chronic illness trying to recover. But I do know if you have a viable, good product, it will sale itself. One does not have to use ill manner tactics to make a sale. I have also notice when someone does speak out with a different opinion regarding the safety, effectiveness, or Jim himself, they are not received graciously. Not everybody frequenting these lists that speak out against it are working for the enemy, which is usually the church response. In fact, I think most of us here are people trying to find answers for our health problems, the majority are anyway. And then some are also in some form of alternative business promoting their business. Regarding Jim and his business: Anybody who is in an alternative field must abide by the law of the land. People have been put in jail that I personally don't think deserve to go to jail. For their own protection, they better abide by the law or get out. Speaking as a customer of many different alternative protocols, I want to have the freedom to be able to try anything that I think might benefit me. I think if people would present their product with plain old manners and stop the bickering, it would go a long way and we might be able to reach an educated decision much sooner. Gail On Sunday, November 2, 2014 11:13 AM, Jason ja...@eytonsearth.org wrote: ...I agree Tony. Jim was dead wrong when he developed his initial protocols, and may tried to tell him so. He not only ignored them, but was quite belligerent, and he had absolutely no real training in oxidative therapies. Then, of course, he changed his protocols, which are now much safer. In my opinion, ozone is more effective and certainly safer because the exact concentrations that the body can safely tolerate are well established by extensive research. ~Jason On 11/2/2014 9:47 AM, Tony Moody wrote: Hallo AJR, Umm, Call me what you want. But most of my relevant credentials are alternate or complementary healing of one sort or another. I tried MMS at the lowest dose and it made me sick as a dog and it took me at least 5 weeks to get back to my normal self. There was absolutely no help at the time from the MMS group. I was not the only one, there had already been several and there were many after me who complained. We were all shut down and poo-pood and ignored. Then a few chemically orientated people chimed in and pointed out what could be happening physiologically or biologically. .. then Jim Humble changed his formulation to a much weaker solution or used a different acid or something. I'd lost interest in the MMS and the deaf bigots surrounding the concept. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMMS and Church
Hi Tony, Thanks for the email..Since you did this protocol you described there has been quite a change in the way MMS is taken..The protocol advised to start at one drop or even half a drop for the first number of doses in the protocol and gradually increase it up to not over three drops per hour..if you feel nausea or stomache cramps it usually means that MMS is working by eliminating the virus or bacteria that is causing your troubles..this is the sacrament or protocol 1000 in the Church procedure..Here are the procedures you would follow and you will not have any trouble with the procedure..You were going too fast and killing pathogens too fast.. Slow down and take it easy..and you will find very few side effects..some people were alergic to the citric acid activator but they have another activator which works better in those cases http://genesis2church.org/mms-protocol-1000 http://genesis2church.org/mms-protocol-read-this-first anything you want to know is here http://genesis2church.org Best Regards AJR -Original Message- From: Tony Moody Sent: Sunday, November 02, 2014 2:17 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and Church Hallo AJR, Umm, Call me what you want. But most of my relevant credentials are alternate or complementary healing of one sort or another. I tried MMS at the lowest dose and it made me sick as a dog and it took me at least 5 weeks to get back to my normal self. There was absolutely no help at the time from the MMS group. I was not the only one, there had already been several and there were many after me who complained. We were all shut down and poo-pood and ignored. Then a few chemically orientated people chimed in and pointed out what could be happening physiologically or biologically. .. then Jim Humble changed his formulation to a much weaker solution or used a different acid or something. I'd lost interest in the MMS and the deaf bigots surrounding the concept. MMS is an excellent concept really but some people react very, very badly to it. That should be factored in and dealt with by recommending starting off at 10th or 100th dose the first few time and build up to ones level of acceptance. The fact that some people can take a heroic dose from start has the potential to harm person, harm MMS and harm the whole alt health movement. If, instead of V8 bulldosing, the MMS people could have checked on initial discomfort and then recommended reverting to a much lower dose, they could have pleased everybody. This sort of protocol is standard practise in any sane modality. Even medics do this. I believe it is called titration. When I made colloidal silver devices that is one of the concepts mentioned in the manual. Mentioning MMS in the same breath as CS, DMSO and O2 therapy is sacrilege in my opinion for the only reason that MMS does not advocate caution. I've done CS by the litre per day, I've taken DMSO neat by the teaspoon, several times per day. I've done ozone insulflations and blood exchanges, and breathed the stuff up to coughing level, no problems. I've taken O3 bubbled water by the litre. All no problem.I've done an H202 oral slow build up but soon got to a level that kept me consistently nauseous; so I backed off. I had to stop entirely before nausea went away. I'm not knocking H2O2 , just can't / don't want to do it; its too rough for me. If I was driven to H2O2 then i would first do some thorough cleansing first. Drink copious amounts of warm water, then go on to mild liver cleanse ; garlic lemon and olive oil drink. paying strict attention to diet, then do a series of liver cleanses with flushing enemas. A few weeks dedicated to that and i probably wouldn't need H2O2 anyway. :-) Have you considered that MMS Sodium Chlorite could perhaps have an emetic mixed in to discourage people from ingesting it? Could some be coming from say china ?? My apology for this rave Mike, I'ts just that I feel that my feet have been crushed rather unfairly. OK, Tony On 2 Nov 2014 at 12:02, AJR wrote about : Subject : Re: CSMMS and Church Hi Alan There have been more then 20 million bottles of MMS used since it was started in the year 2000 and there are no records of people being harmed if they follow the instructions properly..Nothing is perfect..As you are aware..there are a number of people who have been planted on these lists by Big pharmacy and the medical Cartel to disrupt and make problems for members..These people are easy to spot as they all have the same negative attitude..They don’t realize that each year in america there are close to a million people who die from approved Pharmaceutical Drugs..Also Doctors are the # 1 killer of people and they can do it legally with no problems..They are not hard to spot on this list so it important to keep an open mind..How do they sleep at night... They need to do honest research but in these cases it won’t work as they have a hidden agenda..Colloidal Silver
Re: CSMMS and Church
Hi Alan There have been more then 20 million bottles of MMS used since it was started in the year 2000 and there are no records of people being harmed if they follow the instructions properly..Nothing is perfect..As you are aware..there are a number of people who have been planted on these lists by Big pharmacy and the medical Cartel to disrupt and make problems for members..These people are easy to spot as they all have the same negative attitude..They don’t realize that each year in america there are close to a million people who die from approved Pharmaceutical Drugs..Also Doctors are the # 1 killer of people and they can do it legally with no problems..They are not hard to spot on this list so it important to keep an open mind..How do they sleep at night... They need to do honest research but in these cases it won’t work as they have a hidden agenda..Colloidal Silver, MMS, Oxygen therapy, DMSO, and many others are good protocols.and deserve to be appreciated..Ebola is coming and it is not going to be nice. DEE lets give these protocols a chance as we are going to need them.. AJR From: Alan Faulkner Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 6:49 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and Church I have never heard of anyone having an extremely bad reaction to MMS. Your body gets sick for a variety of reasons or as Nelson Bradley suggests, for 5 reasons; toxins, diet, psychological, pathogen, electrical disruption, skeletal issues. In order to straighten the body out, often stuff has to be offloaded. The process of offloading it may be unpleasant, but to blame it on something or someone is to be a fool. Often MMS will cause a very brief case of diarrhea (as in my case about 5 minutes) which is simply the body's way of offloading the trash you consumed yourself. Happened to me and felt very right and afterwards was a great relief. Whether you off load the 'stuff' through something like Pancha Karma (Ayurveda) or the various herbal mixtures, or MMS or whatever, the idea is that you do have to get rid of stuff occasionally. If you have cancer, it took quite awhile to get to the point where the cancer showed up, so to dump it quickly may not be comfortable. Now having said that some PPL see the MMS protocols and think h if a little is good then a lot is better (typically male) so they consume way too much with predictable results. I doubt that MMS has risks, when used sensibly, because after it kills pathogens it changes into a weak salt and then exits the body. Alan On 2014-11-01, at 02:36 AM, Dee wrote: I think that this probably my thinking Victor because although he has obviously done a lot of good using MMS, in some people the results could be bad, so as you say, I think personally that the risk outweighs the benefits for me. I did know of someone who, a few years ago, insulted me roundly when I voiced a word of caution about MMS, who later almost apologised to me, because he had an extremely bad reaction to it...dee Sent from my iPad On 1 Nov 2014, at 04:47, Victor Cozzetto victor.cozze...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed that none of my posts about MMS are in the archive; which would explain why nobody was responding to me. (Not sure what the issue is Mike, but luckily I still have all the emails in my outbox). I am not a chemist, but here is my opinion that I have shared with others in the past: I am sure that MMS works for many people, and I do not doubt that it could potentially cure almost anything. However, I cannot recommend it or use it with what I currently know. Of course I am still ignorant, but here are some of the reasons why I would not use it: 1. MMS can be dangerous. It can do direct damage to the body, interact with other chemicals, drugs, etc. It is too unpredictable, and thus the risk is simply too high for me. 2. To my knowledge, MMS cannot do anything that colloidal silver (CS) cannot do, but CS has zero risk, is cheaper, predictable, and is guaranteed to be effective. (of course levels of effectiveness vary, depending on the ailment) 3. MMS can also be compared to ozonated water (because it uses oxidizing effects), but again, the ozonated water has zero risk, is cheaper, more predictable, and is guaranteed to be effective. 4. MMS has the same limitations that both CS and ozonated water have - in that they cannot directly target lymph, nervous systems, etc. However, CS and ozonated water contribute directly to strengthening the immune system, and thus have a direct impact on all health. MMS can potentially achieve this too, but that is not certain, since it can act as a toxin, and thus have the opposite effect. 5. I might sound too harsh, but I would compare MMS more to chemo. It isn't of course, but it is a chemical that can have a toxic effect on the body. It can have a very rapid impact, but I am not sure how good that is, since it is purely a 'killing' action, and does
Re: CSMMS and Church
Hi Victor Can you send me an email with the bad things you know about MMS and Colloidal Silver..MMS I would like to know and check out these things from here. I am sure I would find them interesting Bishop Alvin Rose Genesis II Church of Health and Healing ajros...@nf.sympatico.ca From: Victor Cozzetto Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 11:26 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and Church Alan, Dave, With all due respect, none of that alleviates my concerns about MMS. The body produces many things that could kill us if taken artificially. Dosing, quality control, drug interaction, individual tolerance, etc. are still risks that are unacceptable for me personally. I appreciate that many people have success with MMS, but I cannot promote or recommend it with what I currently know. If there was some circumstance where MMS was the best solution for saving or improving a life, then I would be on board. This specific information I would welcome. However, I do not want our community to be mislead into thinking that MMS is equal to, or an alternative to CS. It is not, and that is why I continue to respond to these posts. Victor
Re: CSMMS and Church
Hallo AJR, Umm, Call me what you want. But most of my relevant credentials are alternate or complementary healing of one sort or another. I tried MMS at the lowest dose and it made me sick as a dog and it took me at least 5 weeks to get back to my normal self. There was absolutely no help at the time from the MMS group. I was not the only one, there had already been several and there were many after me who complained. We were all shut down and poo-pood and ignored. Then a few chemically orientated people chimed in and pointed out what could be happening physiologically or biologically. .. then Jim Humble changed his formulation to a much weaker solution or used a different acid or something. I'd lost interest in the MMS and the deaf bigots surrounding the concept. MMS is an excellent concept really but some people react very, very badly to it. That should be factored in and dealt with by recommending starting off at 10th or 100th dose the first few time and build up to ones level of acceptance. The fact that some people can take a heroic dose from start has the potential to harm person, harm MMS and harm the whole alt health movement. If, instead of V8 bulldosing, the MMS people could have checked on initial discomfort and then recommended reverting to a much lower dose, they could have pleased everybody. This sort of protocol is standard practise in any sane modality. Even medics do this. I believe it is called titration. When I made colloidal silver devices that is one of the concepts mentioned in the manual. Mentioning MMS in the same breath as CS, DMSO and O2 therapy is sacrilege in my opinion for the only reason that MMS does not advocate caution. I've done CS by the litre per day, I've taken DMSO neat by the teaspoon, several times per day. I've done ozone insulflations and blood exchanges, and breathed the stuff up to coughing level, no problems. I've taken O3 bubbled water by the litre. All no problem.I've done an H202 oral slow build up but soon got to a level that kept me consistently nauseous; so I backed off. I had to stop entirely before nausea went away. I'm not knocking H2O2 , just can't / don't want to do it; its too rough for me. If I was driven to H2O2 then i would first do some thorough cleansing first. Drink copious amounts of warm water, then go on to mild liver cleanse ; garlic lemon and olive oil drink. paying strict attention to diet, then do a series of liver cleanses with flushing enemas. A few weeks dedicated to that and i probably wouldn't need H2O2 anyway. :-) Have you considered that MMS Sodium Chlorite could perhaps have an emetic mixed in to discourage people from ingesting it? Could some be coming from say china ?? My apology for this rave Mike, I'ts just that I feel that my feet have been crushed rather unfairly. OK, Tony On 2 Nov 2014 at 12:02, AJR wrote about : Subject : Re: CSMMS and Church Hi Alan There have been more then 20 million bottles of MMS used since it was started in the year 2000 and there are no records of people being harmed if they follow the instructions properly..Nothing is perfect..As you are aware..there are a number of people who have been planted on these lists by Big pharmacy and the medical Cartel to disrupt and make problems for members..These people are easy to spot as they all have the same negative attitude..They don’t realize that each year in america there are close to a million people who die from approved Pharmaceutical Drugs..Also Doctors are the # 1 killer of people and they can do it legally with no problems..They are not hard to spot on this list so it important to keep an open mind..How do they sleep at night... They need to do honest research but in these cases it won’t work as they have a hidden agenda..Colloidal Silver, MMS, Oxygen therapy, DMSO, and many others are good protocols.and deserve to be appreciated..Ebola is coming and it is not going to be nice. DEE lets give these protocols a chance as we are going to need them.. AJR From: Alan Faulkner Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2014 6:49 PM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and Church I have never heard of anyone having an extremely bad reaction to MMS. Your body gets sick for a variety of reasons or as Nelson Bradley suggests, for 5 reasons; toxins, diet, psychological, pathogen, electrical disruption, skeletal issues. In order to straighten the body out, often stuff has to be offloaded. The process of offloading it may be unpleasant, but to blame it on something or someone is to be a fool. Often MMS will cause a very brief case of diarrhea (as in my case about 5 minutes) which is simply the body's way of offloading the trash you consumed yourself. Happened to me and felt very right and afterwards was a great relief. Whether you off load the 'stuff' through something like Pancha Karma (Ayurveda) or the various herbal mixtures, or MMS or whatever, the idea is that you do have
Re: CSMMS and Church
...I agree Tony. Jim was dead wrong when he developed his initial protocols, and may tried to tell him so. He not only ignored them, but was quite belligerent, and he had absolutely no real training in oxidative therapies. Then, of course, he changed his protocols, which are now much safer. In my opinion, ozone is more effective and certainly safer because the exact concentrations that the body can safely tolerate are well established by extensive research. ~Jason On 11/2/2014 9:47 AM, Tony Moody wrote: Hallo AJR, Umm, Call me what you want. But most of my relevant credentials are alternate or complementary healing of one sort or another. I tried MMS at the lowest dose and it made me sick as a dog and it took me at least 5 weeks to get back to my normal self. There was absolutely no help at the time from the MMS group. I was not the only one, there had already been several and there were many after me who complained. We were all shut down and poo-pood and ignored. Then a few chemically orientated people chimed in and pointed out what could be happening physiologically or biologically. .. then Jim Humble changed his formulation to a much weaker solution or used a different acid or something. I'd lost interest in the MMS and the deaf bigots surrounding the concept. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMMS and Church
Hi There Tony - I think, what appears to me, not to be clear, in our discussions, re carriers for EIS to reach, or penetrate the encasement of a virus - is how to use them - whether it be oxygen therapy, ozone therapy, MSM or MMS matters not, these are only used in conjunction with EIS to TRANSPORT it through the defence encasement of a virus so it can KILL. I would not use any of them just for the sake of using them, however, if for example, I knew Ebola was on the prowl, you bet I would use MMS in conjunction with EIS to avoid having this experience.If I knew, what I now know, having had the experience of Chickenguyna, I would have used MMS to avoid this experience - I sincerely hope that one cannot get it a second time around, however as it is supposed to reside in the body for anywhere from two to four years, I am at the wait and see point with this one. Cheers to all Sandee Attitude is everything !!! Sandra George Colloidal Silver Products Eye Drops Topical Gel aliveagai...@yahoo.com On 2 Nov 2014, at 13:47, Tony Moody a...@aptech.co.za wrote: Hallo AJR, Umm, Call me what you want. But most of my relevant credentials are alternate or complementary healing of one sort or another. I tried MMS at the lowest dose and it made me sick as a dog and it took me at least 5 weeks to get back to my normal self. There was absolutely no help at the time from the MMS group. I was not the only one, there had already been several and there were many after me who complained. We were all shut down and poo-pood and ignored. Then a few chemically orientated people chimed in and pointed out what could be happening physiologically or biologically. .. then Jim Humble changed his formulation to a much weaker solution or used a different acid or something. I'd lost interest in the MMS and the deaf bigots surrounding the concept. MMS is an excellent concept really but some people react very, very badly to it. That should be factored in and dealt with by recommending starting off at 10th or 100th dose the first few time and build up to ones level of acceptance. The fact that some people can take a heroic dose from start has the potential to harm person, harm MMS and harm the whole alt health movement. If, instead of V8 bulldosing, the MMS people could have checked on initial discomfort and then recommended reverting to a much lower dose, they could have pleased everybody. This sort of protocol is standard practise in any sane modality. Even medics do this. I believe it is called titration. When I made colloidal silver devices that is one of the concepts mentioned in the manual. Mentioning MMS in the same breath as CS, DMSO and O2 therapy is sacrilege in my opinion for the only reason that MMS does not advocate caution. I've done CS by the litre per day, I've taken DMSO neat by the teaspoon, several times per day. I've done ozone insulflations and blood exchanges, and breathed the stuff up to coughing level, no problems. I've taken O3 bubbled water by the litre. All no problem.I've done an H202 oral slow build up but soon got to a level that kept me consistently nauseous; so I backed off. I had to stop entirely before nausea went away. I'm not knocking H2O2 , just can't / don't want to do it; its too rough for me. If I was driven to H2O2 then i would first do some thorough cleansing first. Drink copious amounts of warm water, then go on to mild liver cleanse ; garlic lemon and olive oil drink. paying strict attention to diet, then do a series of liver cleanses with flushing enemas. A few weeks dedicated to that and i probably wouldn't need H2O2 anyway. :-) Have you considered that MMS Sodium Chlorite could perhaps have an emetic mixed in to discourage people from ingesting it? Could some be coming from say china ?? My apology for this rave Mike, I'ts just that I feel that my feet have been crushed rather unfairly. OK, Tony On 2 Nov 2014 at 12:02, AJR wrote about : Subject : Re: CSMMS and Church Hi Alan There have been more then 20 million bottles of MMS used since it was started in the year 2000 and there are no records of people being harmed if they follow the instructions properly..Nothing is perfect..As you are aware..there are a number of people who have been planted on these lists by Big pharmacy and the medical Cartel to disrupt and make problems for members..These people are easy to spot as they all have the same negative attitude..They don’t realize that each year in america there are close to a million people who die from approved Pharmaceutical Drugs..Also Doctors are the # 1 killer of people and they can do it legally with no problems..They are not hard to spot on this list so it important to keep an open mind..How do they sleep at night... They need to do honest research but in these cases it won’t work as they have a hidden agenda..Colloidal Silver, MMS, Oxygen therapy, DMSO, and many
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Hi Jason group, In the early years of MMS we all seemed to jump on the bandwagon. Those of us on various health/alternative lists I'm on anyway and we shared our experience. Remember Daddybob, he was a regular of many lists I visit. Anyway his personality is the type to jump in and as he often said, 'get er done' He started having heart issues, and sorry I can't remember what they were, but he attributed them to his MMS use. Others wrote in complaining about heart palpitation after starting the MMS as well. It is something to be aware of that is due attention. There was a guy on the MMS list I was on that differed with Jim about the chemistry. He did believe in the use of MMS but at a different concentration. I think that was his main difference. It's been years since this this happened so might not remember exactly how he differed. Anyway, some of the members on the list that were involved with the church were so rude to him. One guy even called him a pharmaceutical whore. Sorry for the language but wanted to give the direct quote. Whether this man was a pharmaceutical rep or not, I do not know, but his behavior came across as professional and polite, while the church members were blatantly rude, which was a real turn off to me. I really know nothing about chemistry and certainly am not a pharm rep, just a person with a chronic illness trying to recover. But I do know if you have a viable, good product, it will sale itself. One does not have to use ill manner tactics to make a sale. I have also notice when someone does speak out with a different opinion regarding the safety, effectiveness, or Jim himself, they are not received graciously. Not everybody frequenting these lists that speak out against it are working for the enemy, which is usually the church response. In fact, I think most of us here are people trying to find answers for our health problems, the majority are anyway. And then some are also in some form of alternative business promoting their business. Regarding Jim and his business: Anybody who is in an alternative field must abide by the law of the land. People have been put in jail that I personally don't think deserve to go to jail. For their own protection, they better abide by the law or get out. Speaking as a customer of many different alternative protocols, I want to have the freedom to be able to try anything that I think might benefit me. I think if people would present their product with plain old manners and stop the bickering, it would go a long way and we might be able to reach an educated decision much sooner. Gail On Sunday, November 2, 2014 11:13 AM, Jason ja...@eytonsearth.org wrote: ...I agree Tony. Jim was dead wrong when he developed his initial protocols, and may tried to tell him so. He not only ignored them, but was quite belligerent, and he had absolutely no real training in oxidative therapies. Then, of course, he changed his protocols, which are now much safer. In my opinion, ozone is more effective and certainly safer because the exact concentrations that the body can safely tolerate are well established by extensive research. ~Jason On 11/2/2014 9:47 AM, Tony Moody wrote: Hallo AJR, Umm, Call me what you want. But most of my relevant credentials are alternate or complementary healing of one sort or another. I tried MMS at the lowest dose and it made me sick as a dog and it took me at least 5 weeks to get back to my normal self. There was absolutely no help at the time from the MMS group. I was not the only one, there had already been several and there were many after me who complained. We were all shut down and poo-pood and ignored. Then a few chemically orientated people chimed in and pointed out what could be happening physiologically or biologically. .. then Jim Humble changed his formulation to a much weaker solution or used a different acid or something. I'd lost interest in the MMS and the deaf bigots surrounding the concept. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Hi AJR, I imagine the replies from Tony and Jason answer for me as well. And I think I explained my concerns in my first two posts on the subject. As for properly homemade Colloidal Silver, I do not know any bad things about it. Victor On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 1:05 AM, AJR ajros...@nf.sympatico.ca wrote: Hi Victor Can you send me an email with the bad things you know about MMS and Colloidal Silver..MMS I would like to know and check out these things from here. I am sure I would find them interesting Bishop Alvin Rose Genesis II Church of Health and Healing ajros...@nf.sympatico.ca *From:* Victor Cozzetto victor.cozze...@gmail.com *Sent:* Saturday, November 01, 2014 11:26 PM *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com *Subject:* Re: CSMMS and Church Alan, Dave, With all due respect, none of that alleviates my concerns about MMS. The body produces many things that could kill us if taken artificially. Dosing, quality control, drug interaction, individual tolerance, etc. are still risks that are unacceptable for me personally. I appreciate that many people have success with MMS, but I cannot promote or recommend it with what I currently know. If there was some circumstance where MMS was the best solution for saving or improving a life, then I would be on board. This specific information I would welcome. However, I do not want our community to be mislead into thinking that MMS is equal to, or an alternative to CS. It is not, and that is why I continue to respond to these posts. Victor
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Victor wrote: I just noticed that none of my posts about MMS are in the archive; which would explain why nobody was responding to me. (Not sure what the issue is Mike, but luckily I still have all the emails in my outbox). I just checked my local message folder and indeed, I see nothing from you except 2 posts today and then stuff on the 23rd and before... and nothing on any of the MMS related threads. No clue from here what has been going on with your messages, Victor. Be well, Mike D. silver-list owner -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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I think that this probably my thinking Victor because although he has obviously done a lot of good using MMS, in some people the results could be bad, so as you say, I think personally that the risk outweighs the benefits for me. I did know of someone who, a few years ago, insulted me roundly when I voiced a word of caution about MMS, who later almost apologised to me, because he had an extremely bad reaction to it...dee Sent from my iPad On 1 Nov 2014, at 04:47, Victor Cozzetto victor.cozze...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed that none of my posts about MMS are in the archive; which would explain why nobody was responding to me. (Not sure what the issue is Mike, but luckily I still have all the emails in my outbox). I am not a chemist, but here is my opinion that I have shared with others in the past: I am sure that MMS works for many people, and I do not doubt that it could potentially cure almost anything. However, I cannot recommend it or use it with what I currently know. Of course I am still ignorant, but here are some of the reasons why I would not use it: 1. MMS can be dangerous. It can do direct damage to the body, interact with other chemicals, drugs, etc. It is too unpredictable, and thus the risk is simply too high for me. 2. To my knowledge, MMS cannot do anything that colloidal silver (CS) cannot do, but CS has zero risk, is cheaper, predictable, and is guaranteed to be effective. (of course levels of effectiveness vary, depending on the ailment) 3. MMS can also be compared to ozonated water (because it uses oxidizing effects), but again, the ozonated water has zero risk, is cheaper, more predictable, and is guaranteed to be effective. 4. MMS has the same limitations that both CS and ozonated water have - in that they cannot directly target lymph, nervous systems, etc. However, CS and ozonated water contribute directly to strengthening the immune system, and thus have a direct impact on all health. MMS can potentially achieve this too, but that is not certain, since it can act as a toxin, and thus have the opposite effect. 5. I might sound too harsh, but I would compare MMS more to chemo. It isn't of course, but it is a chemical that can have a toxic effect on the body. It can have a very rapid impact, but I am not sure how good that is, since it is purely a 'killing' action, and does not enhance the body's ability to repair. Both CS and Ozone provide direct 'killing' and greatly enhance the body's ability to defend and repair. 6. I would be afraid to use MMS with other treatments, since is it s chemical that I am not familiar enough with. Thus, I cannot add it to the things I am doing. CS and Ozonated water work great with a variety of other treatments and protocols. 7. Perhaps the greatest single problem - MMS is often cited as causing gut problems for people, and that is not good, since the gut is the heart of our immune system. By contrast, CS has no negative impact on the gut, and is used to treat various gut ailments. (CS is absorbed very rapidly in the gut, and normal consumption of kefir, yogurt, fermented foods, etc. ensure that CS has no negative impact on gut flora). Again, I wouldn't doubt that MMS can save lives in places where no other options are available, but putting that energy into getting CS (or other treatments) is a much better long-term solution IMHO. Victor
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Sodium Chlorite is a chemical the body manufactures to be used by the immune system to kill offending pathogens. MMS just helps a compromised system to have enough to do the job. That is totally natural while CS isn't. CS adds a adjutant to accomplish the same thing. Silver isn't made by the body, but works. MMS makes perfect sense. Dave On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Phil Morrison philmorrison...@gmail.com wrote: MMS makes no sense. CS can do naturally anything MMS can do. No need to put sick folks at risk, unnecessarily. CS is a no-brainer IMHO. http://drsircus.com/medicine/magical-mineral-supplement-mms-2
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Actually I think you are incorrect. It is hypochlorus acid that is produced by the mitochondria in our cells, not sodium chlorite. HCL is an end product of MMS if I’m not mistaken and is a natural part of our immune systems defense against pathogens. Corrections welcome. From: Da Darrin Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2014 8:06 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: Re: CSMMS and Church Sodium Chlorite is a chemical the body manufactures to be used by the immune system to kill offending pathogens. MMS just helps a compromised system to have enough to do the job. That is totally natural while CS isn't. CS adds a adjutant to accomplish the same thing. Silver isn't made by the body, but works. MMS makes perfect sense. Dave On Fri, Oct 31, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Phil Morrison philmorrison...@gmail.com wrote: MMS makes no sense. CS can do naturally anything MMS can do. No need to put sick folks at risk, unnecessarily. CS is a no-brainer IMHO. http://drsircus.com/medicine/magical-mineral-supplement-mms-2
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I have never heard of anyone having an extremely bad reaction to MMS. Your body gets sick for a variety of reasons or as Nelson Bradley suggests, for 5 reasons; toxins, diet, psychological, pathogen, electrical disruption, skeletal issues. In order to straighten the body out, often stuff has to be offloaded. The process of offloading it may be unpleasant, but to blame it on something or someone is to be a fool. Often MMS will cause a very brief case of diarrhea (as in my case about 5 minutes) which is simply the body's way of offloading the trash you consumed yourself. Happened to me and felt very right and afterwards was a great relief. Whether you off load the 'stuff' through something like Pancha Karma (Ayurveda) or the various herbal mixtures, or MMS or whatever, the idea is that you do have to get rid of stuff occasionally. If you have cancer, it took quite awhile to get to the point where the cancer showed up, so to dump it quickly may not be comfortable. Now having said that some PPL see the MMS protocols and think h if a little is good then a lot is better (typically male) so they consume way too much with predictable results. I doubt that MMS has risks, when used sensibly, because after it kills pathogens it changes into a weak salt and then exits the body. Alan On 2014-11-01, at 02:36 AM, Dee wrote: I think that this probably my thinking Victor because although he has obviously done a lot of good using MMS, in some people the results could be bad, so as you say, I think personally that the risk outweighs the benefits for me. I did know of someone who, a few years ago, insulted me roundly when I voiced a word of caution about MMS, who later almost apologised to me, because he had an extremely bad reaction to it...dee Sent from my iPad On 1 Nov 2014, at 04:47, Victor Cozzetto victor.cozze...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed that none of my posts about MMS are in the archive; which would explain why nobody was responding to me. (Not sure what the issue is Mike, but luckily I still have all the emails in my outbox). I am not a chemist, but here is my opinion that I have shared with others in the past: I am sure that MMS works for many people, and I do not doubt that it could potentially cure almost anything. However, I cannot recommend it or use it with what I currently know. Of course I am still ignorant, but here are some of the reasons why I would not use it: 1. MMS can be dangerous. It can do direct damage to the body, interact with other chemicals, drugs, etc. It is too unpredictable, and thus the risk is simply too high for me. 2. To my knowledge, MMS cannot do anything that colloidal silver (CS) cannot do, but CS has zero risk, is cheaper, predictable, and is guaranteed to be effective. (of course levels of effectiveness vary, depending on the ailment) 3. MMS can also be compared to ozonated water (because it uses oxidizing effects), but again, the ozonated water has zero risk, is cheaper, more predictable, and is guaranteed to be effective. 4. MMS has the same limitations that both CS and ozonated water have - in that they cannot directly target lymph, nervous systems, etc. However, CS and ozonated water contribute directly to strengthening the immune system, and thus have a direct impact on all health. MMS can potentially achieve this too, but that is not certain, since it can act as a toxin, and thus have the opposite effect. 5. I might sound too harsh, but I would compare MMS more to chemo. It isn't of course, but it is a chemical that can have a toxic effect on the body. It can have a very rapid impact, but I am not sure how good that is, since it is purely a 'killing' action, and does not enhance the body's ability to repair. Both CS and Ozone provide direct 'killing' and greatly enhance the body's ability to defend and repair. 6. I would be afraid to use MMS with other treatments, since is it s chemical that I am not familiar enough with. Thus, I cannot add it to the things I am doing. CS and Ozonated water work great with a variety of other treatments and protocols. 7. Perhaps the greatest single problem - MMS is often cited as causing gut problems for people, and that is not good, since the gut is the heart of our immune system. By contrast, CS has no negative impact on the gut, and is used to treat various gut ailments. (CS is absorbed very rapidly in the gut, and normal consumption of kefir, yogurt, fermented foods, etc. ensure that CS has no negative impact on gut flora). Again, I wouldn't doubt that MMS can save lives in places where no other options are available, but putting that energy into getting CS (or other treatments) is a much better long-term solution IMHO. Victor
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The person I mentioned allowed for Herxeimer (spelling) for a long period but became so Ill he had to stop the MMS and eventually recovered...dee Sent from my iPad On 1 Nov 2014, at 21:19, Alan Faulkner ala...@gmail.com wrote: I have never heard of anyone having an extremely bad reaction to MMS. Your body gets sick for a variety of reasons or as Nelson Bradley suggests, for 5 reasons; toxins, diet, psychological, pathogen, electrical disruption, skeletal issues. In order to straighten the body out, often stuff has to be offloaded. The process of offloading it may be unpleasant, but to blame it on something or someone is to be a fool. Often MMS will cause a very brief case of diarrhea (as in my case about 5 minutes) which is simply the body's way of offloading the trash you consumed yourself. Happened to me and felt very right and afterwards was a great relief. Whether you off load the 'stuff' through something like Pancha Karma (Ayurveda) or the various herbal mixtures, or MMS or whatever, the idea is that you do have to get rid of stuff occasionally. If you have cancer, it took quite awhile to get to the point where the cancer showed up, so to dump it quickly may not be comfortable. Now having said that some PPL see the MMS protocols and think h if a little is good then a lot is better (typically male) so they consume way too much with predictable results. I doubt that MMS has risks, when used sensibly, because after it kills pathogens it changes into a weak salt and then exits the body. Alan On 2014-11-01, at 02:36 AM, Dee wrote: I think that this probably my thinking Victor because although he has obviously done a lot of good using MMS, in some people the results could be bad, so as you say, I think personally that the risk outweighs the benefits for me. I did know of someone who, a few years ago, insulted me roundly when I voiced a word of caution about MMS, who later almost apologised to me, because he had an extremely bad reaction to it...dee Sent from my iPad On 1 Nov 2014, at 04:47, Victor Cozzetto victor.cozze...@gmail.com wrote: I just noticed that none of my posts about MMS are in the archive; which would explain why nobody was responding to me. (Not sure what the issue is Mike, but luckily I still have all the emails in my outbox). I am not a chemist, but here is my opinion that I have shared with others in the past: I am sure that MMS works for many people, and I do not doubt that it could potentially cure almost anything. However, I cannot recommend it or use it with what I currently know. Of course I am still ignorant, but here are some of the reasons why I would not use it: 1. MMS can be dangerous. It can do direct damage to the body, interact with other chemicals, drugs, etc. It is too unpredictable, and thus the risk is simply too high for me. 2. To my knowledge, MMS cannot do anything that colloidal silver (CS) cannot do, but CS has zero risk, is cheaper, predictable, and is guaranteed to be effective. (of course levels of effectiveness vary, depending on the ailment) 3. MMS can also be compared to ozonated water (because it uses oxidizing effects), but again, the ozonated water has zero risk, is cheaper, more predictable, and is guaranteed to be effective. 4. MMS has the same limitations that both CS and ozonated water have - in that they cannot directly target lymph, nervous systems, etc. However, CS and ozonated water contribute directly to strengthening the immune system, and thus have a direct impact on all health. MMS can potentially achieve this too, but that is not certain, since it can act as a toxin, and thus have the opposite effect. 5. I might sound too harsh, but I would compare MMS more to chemo. It isn't of course, but it is a chemical that can have a toxic effect on the body. It can have a very rapid impact, but I am not sure how good that is, since it is purely a 'killing' action, and does not enhance the body's ability to repair. Both CS and Ozone provide direct 'killing' and greatly enhance the body's ability to defend and repair. 6. I would be afraid to use MMS with other treatments, since is it s chemical that I am not familiar enough with. Thus, I cannot add it to the things I am doing. CS and Ozonated water work great with a variety of other treatments and protocols. 7. Perhaps the greatest single problem - MMS is often cited as causing gut problems for people, and that is not good, since the gut is the heart of our immune system. By contrast, CS has no negative impact on the gut, and is used to treat various gut ailments. (CS is absorbed very rapidly in the gut, and normal consumption of kefir, yogurt, fermented foods, etc. ensure that CS has no negative impact on gut flora). Again, I wouldn't doubt that MMS can save lives in places where no other options are available, but putting that
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Alan, Dave, With all due respect, none of that alleviates my concerns about MMS. The body produces many things that could kill us if taken artificially. Dosing, quality control, drug interaction, individual tolerance, etc. are still risks that are unacceptable for me personally. I appreciate that many people have success with MMS, but I cannot promote or recommend it with what I currently know. If there was some circumstance where MMS was the best solution for saving or improving a life, then I would be on board. This specific information I would welcome. However, I do not want our community to be mislead into thinking that MMS is equal to, or an alternative to CS. It is not, and that is why I continue to respond to these posts. Victor
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The same thing happened to me on 2 occasions very recently, and my post about it wasn't noticed by anyone. Joe On 2014-11-01 3:13 AM, M.G. Devour wrote: Victor wrote: I just noticed that none of my posts about MMS are in the archive; which would explain why nobody was responding to me. (Not sure what the issue is Mike, but luckily I still have all the emails in my outbox). I just checked my local message folder and indeed, I see nothing from you except 2 posts today and then stuff on the 23rd and before... and nothing on any of the MMS related threads. No clue from here what has been going on with your messages, Victor. Be well, Mike D. silver-list owner -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Rules and Instructions: http://www.silverlist.org Unsubscribe: mailto:silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com?subject=unsubscribe Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/silver-list@eskimo.com/maillist.html Off-Topic discussions: mailto:silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com List Owner: Mike Devour mailto:mdev...@eskimo.com
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Please widen your focus Folks, and learn about Church and State relationships before you pontificate of the merits or demerits of forming a church, which Jim Humble has done. It is done to ward off attacks by the State, because laws protect practice of religion. Therefore, stating what you believe carries much weight, and the State is required to leave you alone, in most cases, for practicing your religion.
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church is regulated by common law and state is done by civil and corporate law..They can not be connected in a court of law without much difficulty..Genesis has its own legal status system and protection. From: pal joey Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 9:31 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSMMS and Church Please widen your focus Folks, and learn about Church and State relationships before you pontificate of the merits or demerits of forming a church, which Jim Humble has done. It is done to ward off attacks by the State, because laws protect practice of religion. Therefore, stating what you believe carries much weight, and the State is required to leave you alone, in most cases, for practicing your religion.
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To me it’s fraud. It has nothing to do with MMS but speaks to his character. Ergo my distrust of him personally. From: pal joey [mailto:ajr...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 7:02 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSMMS and Church Please widen your focus Folks, and learn about Church and State relationships before you pontificate of the merits or demerits of forming a church, which Jim Humble has done. It is done to ward off attacks by the State, because laws protect practice of religion. Therefore, stating what you believe carries much weight, and the State is required to leave you alone, in most cases, for practicing your religion.
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Which I think is all wrong...dee Sent from my iPad On 31 Oct 2014, at 12:52, AJR ajros...@nf.sympatico.ca wrote: church is regulated by common law and state is done by civil and corporate law..They can not be connected in a court of law without much difficulty..Genesis has its own legal status system and protection. From: pal joey Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 9:31 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSMMS and Church Please widen your focus Folks, and learn about Church and State relationships before you pontificate of the merits or demerits of forming a church, which Jim Humble has done. It is done to ward off attacks by the State, because laws protect practice of religion. Therefore, stating what you believe carries much weight, and the State is required to leave you alone, in most cases, for practicing your religion.
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The basis of this goes way back in history and it has an up side and a downside like all human endeavours. The church for all of it's obvious flaws has also provided shelter for persons who have ben persecuted by the state and or are downtrodden. However this is way off topic and a subject of another Yahoo group. ; ) Alan On 2014-10-31, at 08:37 AM, Dee wrote: Which I think is all wrong...dee Sent from my iPad On 31 Oct 2014, at 12:52, AJR ajros...@nf.sympatico.ca wrote: church is regulated by common law and state is done by civil and corporate law..They can not be connected in a court of law without much difficulty..Genesis has its own legal status system and protection. From: pal joey Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 9:31 AM To: silver-list@eskimo.com Subject: CSMMS and Church Please widen your focus Folks, and learn about Church and State relationships before you pontificate of the merits or demerits of forming a church, which Jim Humble has done. It is done to ward off attacks by the State, because laws protect practice of religion. Therefore, stating what you believe carries much weight, and the State is required to leave you alone, in most cases, for practicing your religion.
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These comments make me laugh. I find it funny and ironic that Jim Humble used the trick of forming a church to mitigate the attacks of big pharma, its pimp medical profession and the state. I sense that people think churches are holy or sacred. Whether you are christian or muslim or whatever, pls do some research and you will find that your church started on a very sordid basis. Actually the church of Humble is the most honest of all the churches existent today. I have researched the origins of the mainstream churches and I could tell you of my findings, but this is not the purpose of this forum. It is about CS and other alternative cures. But pls stop showing your ignorance of matters you have neglected to research. On Friday, October 31, 2014 8:02 AM, pal joey ajr...@gmail.com wrote: Please widen your focus Folks, and learn about Church and State relationships before you pontificate of the merits or demerits of forming a church, which Jim Humble has done. It is done to ward off attacks by the State, because laws protect practice of religion. Therefore, stating what you believe carries much weight, and the State is required to leave you alone, in most cases, for practicing your religion.
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MMS makes no sense. CS can do naturally anything MMS can do. No need to put sick folks at risk, unnecessarily. CS is a no-brainer IMHO. http://drsircus.com/medicine/magical-mineral-supplement-mms-2
Re: CSMMS and Church
I just noticed that none of my posts about MMS are in the archive; which would explain why nobody was responding to me. (Not sure what the issue is Mike, but luckily I still have all the emails in my outbox). I am not a chemist, but here is my opinion that I have shared with others in the past: I am sure that MMS works for many people, and I do not doubt that it could potentially cure almost anything. However, I cannot recommend it or use it with what I currently know. Of course I am still ignorant, but here are some of the reasons why I would not use it: 1. MMS can be dangerous. It can do direct damage to the body, interact with other chemicals, drugs, etc. It is too unpredictable, and thus the risk is simply too high for me. 2. To my knowledge, MMS cannot do anything that colloidal silver (CS) cannot do, but CS has zero risk, is cheaper, predictable, and is guaranteed to be effective. (of course levels of effectiveness vary, depending on the ailment) 3. MMS can also be compared to ozonated water (because it uses oxidizing effects), but again, the ozonated water has zero risk, is cheaper, more predictable, and is guaranteed to be effective. 4. MMS has the same limitations that both CS and ozonated water have - in that they cannot directly target lymph, nervous systems, etc. However, CS and ozonated water contribute directly to strengthening the immune system, and thus have a direct impact on all health. MMS can potentially achieve this too, but that is not certain, since it can act as a toxin, and thus have the opposite effect. 5. I might sound too harsh, but I would compare MMS more to chemo. It isn't of course, but it is a chemical that can have a toxic effect on the body. It can have a very rapid impact, but I am not sure how good that is, since it is purely a 'killing' action, and does not enhance the body's ability to repair. Both CS and Ozone provide direct 'killing' and greatly enhance the body's ability to defend and repair. 6. I would be afraid to use MMS with other treatments, since is it s chemical that I am not familiar enough with. Thus, I cannot add it to the things I am doing. CS and Ozonated water work great with a variety of other treatments and protocols. 7. Perhaps the greatest single problem - MMS is often cited as causing gut problems for people, and that is not good, since the gut is the heart of our immune system. By contrast, CS has no negative impact on the gut, and is used to treat various gut ailments. (CS is absorbed very rapidly in the gut, and normal consumption of kefir, yogurt, fermented foods, etc. ensure that CS has no negative impact on gut flora). Again, I wouldn't doubt that MMS can save lives in places where no other options are available, but putting that energy into getting CS (or other treatments) is a much better long-term solution IMHO. Victor
