Re: CS>Translating request...
> This might be better: > > Cher Claire, nous sommes absents vous. > Nous espérons que votre santé s'améliore bientôt. > > Amour, > > Paul H Paul, you've just earned a couple points toward sainthood! Plugging it into a Babblefish translator, what pops out? "Dear Claire, we miss you. We hope that your health improves soon." Obviously you've got it *just right*. My expandedness understands no leaping... err... I mean, my gratitude knows no bounds. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Adrian's questions...
Try this guy in Kent Town Australia. He has an inexpensive PPM meter that's pretty nicely made. Reasonably accurate. http://www.silverwell.com.au/ Also try ebay.com.au Ode At 08:17 PM 12/10/2004 -5, you wrote: > >Welcome aboard, Adrian! > >You write: >> I make it in a 850 ml jar, with 3 x 9 volt batteries, in series, but not >> sure what ppm it produces , Phil reckons 10ppm is best, Not having a ppm >> meter, cannot find one in NZ. I use two strips of 5 cm by 1 cm, by 0.2 >> mm thick. Perhaps somebody can calculate for me what ppm one gets after >> an hour. The 1st batch went golden and was presented to a friend after 4 >> hours or so. After that one piece was blackish. The 2nd and 3rd batch >> was an hour but has not gone golden??, nor was one piece blackish. I >> mainly joined to find this out. > >Well, you're making CS. It'll contain a lot of ions, some particles, >and, depending on the purity of your water and whatever air or surface >contaminants found there way into the brew cell, a few salts or other >impurities. I am assuming you are using distilled water, of course. You >are, right? > >If so, it's already as good as most folks use, and if you do nothing >more you'll see nearly all the benefits anybody ever has. > >The golden stuff is probably greater than 10-15ppm and is starting to >grow bigger particles. It could easily be as high as 20-25 ppm, but you >can't really know without testing somehow. Still useful, but folks have >developed tweaks to the process to keep the particles smaller. > >The clear stuff is hard to tell, but you'd be better off stopping after >2 to 3 hours, as the process starts slowly and builds exponentially, so >it may have barely gotten going by one hour and may be very weak. > >The positive electrode, or anode, commonly turns black, either with >some silver compound or other, or else as a consequence of the >submicroscopic structure of the surface as it is being etched by the >electrolysis. No problem. The fact that it didn't turn black on the >shorter runs says the process had really not gotten going yet when you >turned it off. > >If you let it run longer, you'll get a fluffy grey coating on the >negative cathode that is silver being drawn out of suspension or >solution and ultimately being wasted. It's either some compound of >silver, and/or the pure metal, possibly embedded in a matrix of >microscopic gas bubbles. > >The simplest refinement you can make to your setup is to add a milliamp >meter in-line so you can measure the current flowing in the cell. >Plotting current versus time you'll get an idea when the process really >gets started, when the water gets saturated with ions and starts >growing particles, and when it starts running away. > >You'll develop a good idea of what current reading is the best to stop >at to get it where you want it. Again, it doesn't have to be precise, >but you will have some consistency from batch to batch. > >The next simplest change you can make is to put a series limiting >resistor in line with the cell to keep the current from exceeding, >maybe, a milliamp or so. > >This will slow down the process a lot. It may take you overnight to >make a batch now, but it'll keep the particles small and the ionic >content as high as possible. That's how people make the stuff that >stays clear and has a barely perceptible Tyndall effect. Is it better? >Well a lot of folks believe it is. Not all, though. > >Beyond that, the refinements are for ease of use, greater precision, >and, generally, pretty optional! (Though some will disagree with me! >) > >> Also does anybody know for a fact that mixing CS with tap water is such >> a sin? I've read this being repeated stated but never came across any >> decent explanation for it. > >Pour CS into tap water and watch closely. You may see a brief, faint >violet or lavendar tint, which goes away pretty quickly. That's all >your ionic portion agglomerating into larger particles and/or silver >salts. It'll still have some effectiveness, certainly, but I doubt as >much as before. > >If you take the stuff in your mouth and swish it around, it'll complex >with all sorts of things in your saliva that will serve to transport >the silver through the mucous membranes and into the blood stream. Once >it's in the stomach, any that reacts with HCl will be reduced in >availablility, but even silver chloride has some solubility and may >continue to contribute. > >I guess I think it's safer to give the body a crack at the ionic >portion rather than throwing it away before it even gets into you. Now >if you're just adding it to your pet's water dish or something, then go >ahead. It'll keep the water fresher and still be of some benefit to the >animal from the silver. > >> Also had toenail fungus, an oriental version, had it for 50 years, Had >> some Silvazine - standard burn cream - mixed it with menthol in a >> mortar, it changed radically in about 5 or so applicati
Re: CS>Translating request...
This might be better: Cher Claire, nous sommes absents vous. Nous espérons que votre santé s'améliore bientôt. Amour, Paul H - Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" To: Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 1:17 AM Subject: Re: CS>Translating request... Marshall writes: The trick is to translate, then translate what it translated to back again. That can uncover surprises, like the spirits of wine being translated to ghosts, and body being translated to corpse. That's what I've learned to do, too. Marshall. One nice member (Thanks Louise!) did gave me the following translation... "Dear Claire, We miss you. We hope you're feeling better soon!" ... became ... "Chère Claire, Nous nous ennuyons de vous. Nous espérons que vous vous sentirez mieux bientôt ! " Put that back into the translator you posted and we get: "Dear Claire, We are bored you. We hope that you will smell yourselves better soon!" Ummm... this is why I don't trust these things! Well, massaging the message a little more, I get this... "Dear Claire, Without you we are sad. We hope that you will be in good health soon!" ... Which translates *BOTH WAYS* with: "Chère Claire, Sans vous nous sommes tristes. Nous espérons que vous serez dans la bonne santé bientôt !" I still can't know if it's awkward as hell, or that there's not a far more conventional way to put it, but at least I'm not talking about smelling... or boredom... Well, if there's nobody else willing to give it a shot, I'm outta here! Thanks folks! Sorry for the OT thread. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Re: CS>Re: CS>Re: CS>Re: CS>Tetrasil and Imusil® ( OT magnetic stirring question)
At 12:29 PM 12/11/2004 -0800, you wrote: > >When I used mag stirer, I just got big flakes. Any idea why? Big flakes of what? Silvery? Whitish? Any H2O2 in the starting water? A trace of that will make nice shiny silver snow flakes. Mag stir doesn't 'stop' the formation of the grey fuzzies [plateout waste] on an electrode especially at the higher PPMs...though the slow stir rate does prevent it from getting really thick like a Santa beard. If that gets thick enough, it'll fall off in flakes [whitish] Just let em settle out or keep the electrodes cleaner. If you're using a standard lab stirrer, they generally turn WAY too fast. 10 to 40 RPM is about right. Ode > >- Original Message - >From: "Ode Coyote" >To: >Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 5:08 AM >Subject: CS>Re: CS>Re: CS>Re: CS>Tetrasil and Imusil®( OT magnetic stirring >question) > > >> The mag stirrer tends to make more of an ionic brew which can be run >higher >> up in conductivity and remain crystal clear and colorless than the thermal >> stir and any previous mechanical system I've used. >> I don't know that it's the magnets that do that or if it's just very >slow, >> complete but forceful stirring...good and hard water currents, but not too >> fast. >> I have run thermal stirred batches with 'finger snipper' 40+ pound pull >> magnets [so strong you can't pull them apart] taped to the container and >> saw zero difference or effect. >> >> At around 20 uS, [10-15 PPM when all is said and done] I don't see any >> difference that stands out in the EIS itself attributable to stir method >> difference, fresh or stabilized. >> Either method, the fresh stuff is way different than the stored stuff >> around/over 24 hrs old and gives that perception of 'boost' and verifiable >> reaction to H2O2. >> >> I can't say that one way is 'better' than another..just different. >> >> The magnetic stir system is still pretty new to me and I've been using >> thermal updraft stirring personally for several years...long before >> 'selling' it. >> >> Manipulating thermal quirks can be useful to vary qualities such as ion >to >> particle ratios. I tend to like a good strong TE. >> I'm coming to really like the magnetic a lot. >> >> Humm, wonder what a pin prick of H2O2 does in that fresh stuff. >> >> Ode >> > >> > >> > Do you notice any differences in the quality of the cs or health >benefits >> as a result of magnetic stirring? >> > >> >Tanks >> >Steve > > > >-- >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.8 - Release Date: 12/8/2004 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.8 - Release Date: 12/8/2004
Re: CS>Adrian's questions...
Ta, will do, I also use distilled water but fear the worst from the machine. The lcoao water here coems from the river Waikato, which has many underground volcanic vents, cows etc doing their thing and still a few factories dumping too. So I imagine at a ppm level it's more like soup. The air is laden with bugs, and I live near a swamp that won't leave copper alone, and gets through chrome as well. I had a hearing amplifier that got all green on the circuit board; happened nowhere else. And, Oh yes, what are those tweaks to keep particles small? adrian. Ode Coyote wrote: Try this guy in Kent Town Australia. He has an inexpensive PPM meter that's pretty nicely made. Reasonably accurate. http://www.silverwell.com.au/ Also try ebay.com.au Ode At 08:17 PM 12/10/2004 -5, you wrote -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Translating request...
Ca c'est superieure, je croix. And bummer, the oz website is "site not found" in Alltheweb adrian Paul Holloway wrote: This might be better: Cher Claire, nous sommes absents vous. Nous espérons que votre santé s'améliore bientôt. Amour, Paul H - Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" To: Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 1:17 AM Subject: Re: CS>Translating request... Marshall writes: The trick is to translate, then translate what it translated to back again. That can uncover surprises, like the spirits of wine being translated to ghosts, and body being translated to corpse. That's what I've learned to do, too. Marshall. One nice member (Thanks Louise!) did gave me the following translation... "Dear Claire, We miss you. We hope you're feeling better soon!" ... became ... "Chère Claire, Nous nous ennuyons de vous. Nous espérons que vous vous sentirez mieux bientôt ! " Put that back into the translator you posted and we get: "Dear Claire, We are bored you. We hope that you will smell yourselves better soon!" Ummm... this is why I don't trust these things! Well, massaging the message a little more, I get this... "Dear Claire, Without you we are sad. We hope that you will be in good health soon!" ... Which translates *BOTH WAYS* with: "Chère Claire, Sans vous nous sommes tristes. Nous espérons que vous serez dans la bonne santé bientôt !" I still can't know if it's awkward as hell, or that there's not a far more conventional way to put it, but at least I'm not talking about smelling... or boredom... Well, if there's nobody else willing to give it a shot, I'm outta here! Thanks folks! Sorry for the OT thread. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Translating request...
Well, I studied French for five years, but many years ago. That's precisely why I didn't trust myself to give any suggestions... I made a few attempts, but didn't come up with anything I trusted. LOL That was a riot! Sally "M. G. Devour" wrote: Marshall writes: > The trick is to translate, then translate what it translated to back > again. That can uncover surprises, like the spirits of wine being > translated to ghosts, and body being translated to corpse. That's what I've learned to do, too. Marshall. One nice member (Thanks Louise!) did gave me the following translation... "Dear Claire, We miss you. We hope you're feeling better soon!" ... became ... "Chère Claire, Nous nous ennuyons de vous. Nous espérons que vous vous sentirez mieux bientôt ! " Put that back into the translator you posted and we get: "Dear Claire, We are bored you. We hope that you will smell yourselves better soon!" Ummm... this is why I don't trust these things! Well, massaging the message a little more, I get this... "Dear Claire, Without you we are sad. We hope that you will be in good health soon!" ... Which translates *BOTH WAYS* with: "Chère Claire, Sans vous nous sommes tristes. Nous espérons que vous serez dans la bonne santé bientôt !" I still can't know if it's awkward as hell, or that there's not a far more conventional way to put it, but at least I'm not talking about smelling... or boredom... Well, if there's nobody else willing to give it a shot, I'm outta here! Thanks folks! Sorry for the OT thread. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com ] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: CS>RE: rheumatoid arthritis
In the USA, all health food stores carry " Bragg Apple Cider vinegar". It's unfiltered, organic, and still has the "mother". Considered by most to be the best. I had a coworker who came upon the treatment in the book "Vermont Folk Remedies" some 15 or 20 years ago. To this day he still takes it daily. Treatment consisted of a tablespoon of apple cider vinegar, with a teaspoon or more of honey in a glass of water daily. The old country doc that wrote the book was a close observer of what worked for people and and farm animals in the hills of Vermont. As I recall, his name was Javits. Still worth a read, check amazon.com . He described a cure for dandruff that I picked up on, and still use to this day. (We're talking decades here!) Chuck Whenever you're holding all the cards, why does everyone else turn out to be playing chess? On 12/12/2004 10:49:14 PM, a...@orcon.net.nz wrote: > Was that bought or self made? I'm about to make a batch. Apparently the > colloidal gold is supposed to do that too, but as I am not in pain > cannot test it. I made a batch that has both silver and gold in it and > kept it relatively clear. > > adrian > > Meadow Lake wrote: > > > My husband has been drinking about 2 Tbls. of organic apple cider > > vinegar each morning upon arising. After about a month, he is > > experiencing 50% less pain. He has not changed anything else. > > > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.296 / Virus Database: 265.5.0 - Release Date: 12/9/2004 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>Translating request...
You're welcome. Paul H - Original Message - From: "M. G. Devour" To: Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 2:14 PM Subject: Re: CS>Translating request... This might be better: Cher Claire, nous sommes absents vous. Nous espérons que votre santé s'améliore bientôt. Amour, Paul H Paul, you've just earned a couple points toward sainthood! Plugging it into a Babblefish translator, what pops out? "Dear Claire, we miss you. We hope that your health improves soon." Obviously you've got it *just right*. My expandedness understands no leaping... err... I mean, my gratitude knows no bounds. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>
- Original Message - From: Ms. Wilma L. Amos To: CS Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 1:38 AM Subject: Fw: CS>Advice Needed hi y'all, tried to get this on last evening, but i guess i wasn't officially signed up...hope the temp went down! mswla - Original Message - From: Ms. Wilma L. Amos To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 11:25 PM Subject: Re: CS>Advice Needed hello, i'm new to this group... with a nursing background, raising children and caring for children and adults... it wouldn't hurt to use an old remedy my grandmother used on me. some alcohol, with the lukewarm tub water... it can also be diluted and the child can be given a sponge-bath with it... mswla - Original Message - From: Lea Ann To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 5:17 PM Subject: CS>Advice Needed Hello, My 2 year old son was fine this AM but took a 3 hour nap (much longer than usual) and woke up with a temperature of 104 Celsius. He was inconsolable and complained that his eyes, ears, neck, and legs hurt. Basically, for a 2 year old I "think" he is describing over-all body aches. I have a call in to his doctor but he has not called back yet. Luckily, my SG6 came in the mail yesterday and I brewed my first quart batch today (and it is crystal clear!) Although I don't know what the PPMs are, I set the SG6 for the highest PPMs and only covered about 9/10ths of the silver electrodes (to get a higher PPM). Here is my question: If you had a kid like this or knew of a kid like this, and you had the batch of CS that I have described (sorry it's not a better description) how much of this batch would you give? I KNOW that no one can dispense medical advice and that we are only talking about experimenting. If you want to contact me privately that is fine. So far I've mixed the CS 50/50 with water and put it in his water bottle. Would you give it straight? Would you dilute it more? Thanks in advance for any and all replies. Best Regards, Lea Ann Savage Satellite Beach, FL 321-773-7088
CS>Making tetrasilver tetroxide
Recommmend reading the whole patent found in the URL below: The chemical synthesis of tetrasilver tetroxide compounds can be performed according to the method described on page 148 in M. Antelman, "Anti-Pathogenic Multivalent Silver Molecular Semiconductors," Precious Metals, vol. 16:141-149 (1992) by reacting silver nitrate with potassium peroxydisulfate according to the following equation in alkali solutions: 4AgNO.sub.3 +2K.sub.2 S.sub.2 O.sub.8 +8NaOH.fwdarw.Ag.sub.4 O.sub.4 +3Na.sub.2 SO.sub.4 K.sub.2 SO.sub.4 +2NaNO.sub.3 +2KNO.sub.3 +4H.sub.2 O http://tinyurl.com/6ynq6 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Making tetrasilver tetroxide
Hi, Sol, Thank you for providing this important information! It might be prudent to mention to others that Professor Rabbi Antelman's invention has patent protection and deserves respect like any other private property for the duration of the patent. Best regards, Matthew
CS>Tetrasil and Imusil® ( OT magnetic stirring questi on)
Hi, Ode, You are right about the h2o2. I made the mistake of putting h2o2 in the reaction vessel to clarify a batch of EIS. The following batch produced metallic silver films on the surface. Since then, I put the EIS into a separate vessel before adding h2o2. Also - oops! - I addressed the previous message to Sol instead of Stuff. Sorry about that. Best regards, Matthew - Original Message - From: "Ode Coyote" To: Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 8:51 AM Subject: Re: CS>Re: CS>Re: CS>Re: CS>Re: CS>Tetrasil and Imusil® ( OT magnetic stirring question) > At 12:29 PM 12/11/2004 -0800, you wrote: > > > >When I used mag stirer, I just got big flakes. Any idea why? > > Big flakes of what? Silvery? Whitish? > > Any H2O2 in the starting water? A trace of that will make nice shiny > silver snow flakes. > > Mag stir doesn't 'stop' the formation of the grey fuzzies [plateout waste] > on an electrode especially at the higher PPMs...though the slow stir rate > does prevent it from getting really thick like a Santa beard. If that gets > thick enough, it'll fall off in flakes [whitish] > Just let em settle out or keep the electrodes cleaner. > > If you're using a standard lab stirrer, they generally turn WAY too fast. > 10 to 40 RPM is about right. > > > > Ode > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Ode Coyote" > >To: > >Sent: Saturday, December 11, 2004 5:08 AM > >Subject: CS>Re: CS>Re: CS>Re: CS>Tetrasil and Imusil®( OT magnetic stirring > >question) > > > > > >> The mag stirrer tends to make more of an ionic brew which can be run > >higher > >> up in conductivity and remain crystal clear and colorless than the thermal > >> stir and any previous mechanical system I've used. > >> I don't know that it's the magnets that do that or if it's just very > >slow, > >> complete but forceful stirring...good and hard water currents, but not too > >> fast. > >> I have run thermal stirred batches with 'finger snipper' 40+ pound pull > >> magnets [so strong you can't pull them apart] taped to the container and > >> saw zero difference or effect. > >> > >> At around 20 uS, [10-15 PPM when all is said and done] I don't see any > >> difference that stands out in the EIS itself attributable to stir method > >> difference, fresh or stabilized. > >> Either method, the fresh stuff is way different than the stored stuff > >> around/over 24 hrs old and gives that perception of 'boost' and verifiable > >> reaction to H2O2. > >> > >> I can't say that one way is 'better' than another..just different. > >> > >> The magnetic stir system is still pretty new to me and I've been using > >> thermal updraft stirring personally for several years...long before > >> 'selling' it. > >> > >> Manipulating thermal quirks can be useful to vary qualities such as ion > >to > >> particle ratios. I tend to like a good strong TE. > >> I'm coming to really like the magnetic a lot. > >> > >> Humm, wonder what a pin prick of H2O2 does in that fresh stuff. > >> > >> Ode > >> > > >> > > >> > Do you notice any differences in the quality of the cs or health > >benefits > >> as a result of magnetic stirring? > >> > > >> >Tanks > >> >Steve > > > > > > > >-- > >The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > > >Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > > >To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > >Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > > >Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > >OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > > >List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > > > > > > > >-- > >No virus found in this incoming message. > >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > >Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.8 - Release Date: 12/8/2004 > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.289 / Virus Database: 265.4.8 - Release Date: 12/8/2004 >
CS>RE: rheumatoid arthritis
My husband has been drinking about 2 Tbls. of organic apple cider vinegar each morning upon arising. After about a month, he is experiencing 50% less pain. He has not changed anything else. _ Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>silvergen, I made my first batch
I made my first batch with the silvergen. I used a $17 calibrator from sunstone herbals to check the water (poland spring distilled) and it was only 1 ppm so that was good, th en Imade the silver. Checking again once it was made it was only 4-5 ppm even though I'd set it in the middle whic is supposed to be 10 ppm. But anyway that is strong enough. I'm' taking a teaspoon a few times a day, and I'm' feeling it. I take it and I feel extremely moody, I think that is most certainly die off and my head feels funny. I have lyme & candida. I wonder if I am taking too much, how much am I supposed to take anyway? Any thoughts appreciated thanx. Also thanx for following up more on tetrasil, the patent, etc. I plan to do some more research, not on how to make it, but on its uses and will report back in the next few weeks.
Re: CS>Making tetrasilver tetroxide
Vots de benefit of doing that when plain colloidal will do the trick? It introduces strange stuff into the body for a presumed longer shelflife or some other idiocy? It makes it over into molecular form which has a tougher time getting into cells. The usual patent claim as to what it does is not shown. You're sure it's medically beneficial and not part of a testing procedure? Apart from that it needs half a lab to do. adrian. Stuff wrote: Recommmend reading the whole patent found in the URL below: The chemical synthesis of tetrasilver tetroxide compounds can be performed according to the method described on page 148 in M. Antelman, "Anti-Pathogenic Multivalent Silver Molecular Semiconductors," Precious Metals, vol. 16:141-149 (1992) by reacting silver nitrate with potassium peroxydisulfate according to the following equation in alkali solutions: 4AgNO.sub.3 +2K.sub.2 S.sub.2 O.sub.8 +8NaOH.fwdarw.Ag.sub.4 O.sub.4 +3Na.sub.2 SO.sub.4 K.sub.2 SO.sub.4 +2NaNO.sub.3 +2KNO.sub.3 +4H.sub.2 O http://tinyurl.com/6ynq6 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>RE: rheumatoid arthritis
Was that bought or self made? I'm about to make a batch. Apparently the colloidal gold is supposed to do that too, but as I am not in pain cannot test it. I made a batch that has both silver and gold in it and kept it relatively clear. adrian Meadow Lake wrote: My husband has been drinking about 2 Tbls. of organic apple cider vinegar each morning upon arising. After about a month, he is experiencing 50% less pain. He has not changed anything else. _ Don’t just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Help me with this !
Hi to all, I just realized that I either had requested to be unsubscribed or a mechanical happening, I don't know. I was still getting the Digest but not the actual posts. I was getting too many e-mails that I had to drop some of the lists. So in error I might have unsubscribed from this list. MY MISTAKE if that happened. But due to many loyal CS users, some have posted from other lists that have kept me abreast of most discussions. BUT ! I recently read a post ( which I can't find ) about the situation when one uses CS every day it destroys ALL the good & bad bacteria in the bowel. It suggested that one should take a Pro-Biotic to restore the good flora in the bowel. Can someone update me on this? I don't dispute it as I have had some personal experience in this area after suffering from Septicemia 5 years ago and had to undergo "Broad Spectrum" antibiotics for a week to get things under control. A 'mentor' suggested I use a good Pro-biotic to reestablish the good flora. I now realize this suggestion probably saved me a great deal of ill health. I consume 4 to 6 oz. of CS EVERY day. We also spray a small amount of CS on our Chicken meat before preparing. Added to that, we put a 'glob' of CS in what little milk we use. I also add some CS to our cat's water. :-) Some have said one should skip a few days of CS so the body can defend itself from attacks of 'whatever'. Sort of makes sense, but I would like to hear from others with experience. Please help me get up to date. Thanks, Thom
Re: CS>silvergen, I made my first batch
Bailar: I had Lyme disease and I heard about CS and thought I'd give it a try. I ordered a synergenisis model 777 that easily makes 20 ppm in a gallon ice tea jar. While waiting I purchased three pints of CS and started taking the usual doses at that time of teaspoons and tablespoons. After taking till I used up two of the bottles I had bought I figured that CS was useless and I'd been had again. I had a fresh gallon of home made ready so I chugged the last pint and started taking about six ounces every half hour as long as I was awake, for three days. On the night of the third day I woke up feeling like I had been reborn. Not an ache or pain anywhere. What I'm trying to tell you is you have to be aggressive to Kill Lyme but it can be done in a short time. Maybe the two pints I had taken prior to the high dosing was enough to keeping me from herxing but if I had a herx reaction it was no more severe than the Lyme symptoms. Dave bailar wrote: I made my first batch with the silvergen. I used a $17 calibrator from sunstone herbals to check the water (poland spring distilled) and it was only 1 ppm so that was good, th en Imade the silver. Checking again once it was made it was only 4-5 ppm even though I'd set it in the middle whic is supposed to be 10 ppm. But anyway that is strong enough. I'm' taking a teaspoon a few times a day, and I'm' feeling it. I take it and I feel extremely moody, I think that is most certainly die off and my head feels funny. I have lyme & candida. I wonder if I am taking too much, how much am I supposed to take anyway? Any thoughts appreciated thanx. Also thanx for following up more on tetrasil, the patent, etc. I plan to do some more research, not on how to make it, but on its uses and will report back in the next few weeks. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Peppermint to relieve fever
Hello, if you have a fever, peppermint oil (oil of pepperment) works. Just don't do as I did. I did not have a dropper so I "poured" some in my bath water, along with one or two other essential oil fragrances and bath salts. I was only wanting to take a relaxing bath, as I did not have a fever. As I sat there, all of a sudden my body became ice cold even though the water was not. I did not know what was wrong, but I was so cold, that the inside of my body felt cold to the bones. I had to get out of the bath, got into bed and covered up with two inches of cover. I should have warmed up, but I was still FREEZING and bone cold I had to get up and take another bath for the warmth, but still I was freezing! For 30 min or more, I was shivering and freezing like you would not believe. I then looked into my essential oil book and learned peppermint gets rid of fevers. If you or your child has fever, I suggest getting some peppermint essential oil and put on a towel or in a bath for them. However, I would not use much. You don't want to experience what I experienced. It really scared me! Hope this helps for any fevers out there. delores - Original Message - From: Ms. Wilma L. Amos To: CS Sent: 12/12/2004 1:14:34 PM Subject: CS>
Re: CS>Making tetrasilver tetroxide
It's much more powerful than colloidal silver, if you read the research/studies. - Original Message - From: adrian To: silver-list@eskimo.com Sent: Sunday, December 12, 2004 4:30 PM Subject: Re: CS>Making tetrasilver tetroxide Vots de benefit of doing that when plain colloidal will do the trick? It introduces strange stuff into the body for a presumed longer shelflife or some other idiocy? It makes it over into molecular form which has a tougher time getting into cells. The usual patent claim as to what it does is not shown. You're sure it's medically beneficial and not part of a testing procedure? Apart from that it needs half a lab to do. adrian. Stuff wrote: > Recommmend reading the whole patent > found in the URL below: > > The chemical synthesis of tetrasilver tetroxide > compounds can be performed according to the > method described on page 148 in M. Antelman, > "Anti-Pathogenic Multivalent Silver Molecular > Semiconductors," Precious Metals, vol. 16:141-149 > (1992) by reacting silver nitrate with potassium > peroxydisulfate according to the following > equation in alkali solutions: > > 4AgNO.sub.3 +2K.sub.2 S.sub.2 O.sub.8 > +8NaOH.fwdarw.Ag.sub.4 O.sub.4 +3Na.sub.2 > SO.sub.4 K.sub.2 SO.sub.4 +2NaNO.sub.3 > +2KNO.sub.3 +4H.sub.2 O > > http://tinyurl.com/6ynq6 > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour > > > >
CS>taking CS during pregnancy
Has anyone on this list taken CS during pregnancy, or known someone who has? I know the standard disclaimer for just about everything, CS probably included, is "Do not use while pregnant or nursing." And I can understand that you need to be careful about what goes through the placenta. But if the woman really needed to treat herself for an infection, isn't CS better than antibiotics? Thanks. Nenah -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>silvergen, I made my first batch
> I have lyme & candida. I wonder if I am taking too much, how much am I > supposed to take anyway? Any thoughts appreciated thanx. You're know the answer already: If you're noticing symptoms that suggest die-off, and they're not too uncomfortable to tolerate, then hold that level until they begin to subside. Increase or decrease the quantities to keep a level of effect you find reasonable. If you want to take a break for a few days, cut back a bit, or miss a dose occasionally, don't sweat it. Get back to it when you can and be as consistent as you are able. It can be as simple as that. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: tetrasilver
I beg to differ on thisCS has not done what the Tetrasil has done. Maybe it would have if I had been sufficiently persistent. But I just ordered three more tubes and regard them as cheap at twice the price.pj __ Do you Yahoo!? Take Yahoo! Mail with you! Get it on your mobile phone. http://mobile.yahoo.com/maildemo -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>tweaking
Elle writes: > Can some kind person explain tweaking? Are you talking about my comment to Adrian earlier about the way people have tweaked their silver generators to "improve" the product? If so, I'm just talking about the 2nd or 3rd round of refinements folks have experimented with, that may produce some minor improvement in consistency, appearance, ease of use, and possibly effectiveness... but that are generally about as important as a coat of paint to the structural strength of a steel girder bridge. Even the most simply made silver is effective, if done basically right. Yes, polarity switching, various stirring techniques, timers or current sensing automatic shutoff, or precision current control *MIGHT* make things marginally easier to use, more consistent or effective. But the person who has put a current meter in line with the cell and uses that as a guide for when to shut if off, and/or put a simple resistor in series with the cell to limit the maximum current density, will probably get 95% of the benefits somebody gets who goes for *all* the tweaks. Of course I'd never argue that ease of use or consistency is bad, and the better silver generators are certainly fine units, but if all you want or can afford is a simple thing you put together for a little money and tinkering, you'll get most all the benefits of using silver without any more bells and whistles than that. Is that what you mean, Elle? Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>NIH Office of Dietary Supplements
Interesting site to explore: http://dietary-supplements.info.nih.gov/index.aspx -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>tweaking
Can some kind person explain tweaking? elleListen to music online with the Xtra Broadband Channel ! -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>TDS was Re: CS>Adrian's questions...
Ken, I was just at that site earlier, and all I see is a TDS? Now, I know people do use TDS meters for checking CS and DW quality also, but I thought it was really far from ideal. sol Ode Coyote wrote: Try this guy in Kent Town Australia. He has an inexpensive PPM meter that's pretty nicely made. Reasonably accurate. http://www.silverwell.com.au/ Also try ebay.com.au Ode -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>RE: rheumatoid arthritis
Using the unpasteurized kind with the "mother"? sol Meadow Lake wrote: My husband has been drinking about 2 Tbls. of organic apple cider vinegar each morning upon arising. After about a month, he is experiencing 50% less pain. He has not changed anything else. -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>water distiller brand, was Re: CS>
On Fri, 10 Dec 2004 09:12:51 -0500, Nenah Sylver wrote: > >George, > >I'm looking for a distiller that is lined with only stainless steel and not >aluminum, and which runs the water through filters twice -- once before the >water is boiled, and then after it's boiled. > >The Love distiller does this, but I had a horrible experience with the seller, >who was rude and lied to me -- and then UPS broke it in transit. So I sent it >back and now I'm looking for a good distiller. > >If the Sears Kenmore meets my criteria, I won't have to look any further. > >Thanks for your help. > >Nenah > > Nenah, The current model I see online is physically different from the one I own. In mine the vessel is indeed stainless steel however there is only a single filter in the output spout. This consists of a small bag of activated charcoal which is supposed to remove any smell/taste from the water. I removed it because very fine particles of the charcoal leak from the bag into the collection vessel. I filter my tap water before I run a batch. I've constructed a filter using the same type of ceramic filters as the Berkfeld filter that all my drinking water passes through. The only drawbacks I've found is the size of the collection jug (3.5 qt) and the time it takes (4-5 hrs.) My PWT typically measures the final product at .5 uS or so. Regards, George -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
CS>Re: tweaking
In these parts (SoCal), it has two definitions: 1) refining; improving upon 2) behavior while under the influence of amphetamines or its relatives -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>taking CS during pregnancy
I've given it to bitches during the last month of pregnancy with no ill effects. Don't know about humans but seems to be ok in dogs. Teri At 07:49 PM 12/12/2004 -0500, you wrote: Has anyone on this list taken CS during pregnancy, or known someone who has? Thanks. Nenah -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.290 / Virus Database: 265.5.0 - Release Date: 12/9/2004 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.290 / Virus Database: 265.5.0 - Release Date: 12/9/2004 -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>silvergen, I made my first batch
raw garlic will fix candida. adrian M. G. Devour wrote: I have lyme & candida. I wonder if I am taking too much, how much am I supposed to take anyway? Any thoughts appreciated thanx. You're know the answer already: If you're noticing symptoms that suggest die-off, and they're not too uncomfortable to tolerate, then hold that level until they begin to subside. Increase or decrease the quantities to keep a level of effect you find reasonable. If you want to take a break for a few days, cut back a bit, or miss a dose occasionally, don't sweat it. Get back to it when you can and be as consistent as you are able. It can be as simple as that. Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
Re: CS>tweaking
TWEAKING is a PC jargon term for adjusting the default parameters or values of an installed program to work better, like, say, Download accelerators because winsleaze sets defaults for lan networks and not for internet. Since windoze also bloats by not cleaning up after itself one has to defrag and other boring things to keep up the speed. With making CS and other trace elements one tweaks the volt and amperage settings to go slow as it high values the particles get bigger and so on. So one adds a millamp meter, and calculates the best values, the voltage seems to have to be around 27 volts DC. Since internet blurbs mention anything between 0.2 ppm and about 15 as effective, it's not that critical. I just check when the anode gets blackish and hydrogen bubbles start coming off the cathode as about right. You see we talk about pure water but there ain't such a thing. As Mike points out it's minor but to geeks it matters. adrian M. G. Devour wrote: Elle writes: Can some kind person explain tweaking? Are you talking about my comment to Adrian earlier about the way people have tweaked their silver generators to "improve" the product? If so, I'm just talking about the 2nd or 3rd round of refinements folks have experimented with, that may produce some minor improvement in consistency, appearance, ease of use, and possibly effectiveness... but that are generally about as important as a coat of paint to the structural strength of a steel girder bridge. Even the most simply made silver is effective, if done basically right. Yes, polarity switching, various stirring techniques, timers or current sensing automatic shutoff, or precision current control *MIGHT* make things marginally easier to use, more consistent or effective. But the person who has put a current meter in line with the cell and uses that as a guide for when to shut if off, and/or put a simple resistor in series with the cell to limit the maximum current density, will probably get 95% of the benefits somebody gets who goes for *all* the tweaks. Of course I'd never argue that ease of use or consistency is bad, and the better silver generators are certainly fine units, but if all you want or can afford is a simple thing you put together for a little money and tinkering, you'll get most all the benefits of using silver without any more bells and whistles than that. Is that what you mean, Elle? Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@eskimo.com] [Speaking only for myself... ] -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour
