Re: CSacne

[Raine]

Where did your son apply the electrodes for his acne?

My son has acne on and off. If he remembers to spray with CS/EIS daily 
it is not bad at all, but when he is lax it flares up something fierce. 
(I know his diet plays a huge role, and I have informed him of this. He 
is 15 going on 50, and I find that the role of food nazi disagrees with 
me.) I currently have a $10 zapper, and will be building a Godzilla very 
soon.


Thanks,
Raine

Shirley Reed wrote:

  My son's acne cleared up really quickly using a zapper.  Most of the 
redness was gone in only one hour.  It was so quick after that.  I 
even forget how long it did take, but in way less than 2 weeks it was 
a non issue.  He did use the zapper regularly.  He is good about 
taking vitamins and minerals and flax oil in capsules (of course).  
:)   Best wishes, pj   And I think you are right about her having 
esteem issues with acne.  Those who say people don't really notice 
must live on some other planet, since I have never seen anyone who 
didn't notice sores on someone's face.  Have had it myself and it is 
very embarassing.  I did not want to show my face in public and can't 
see why anyone else would feel any differently.   I think a godzilla 
would work too--maybe even better.Very best wishes,  pj 



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Re: CSAIDS http://theothersideofaids.com/

[Jonathan B. Britten]

Jim San,

I am not an MD, nor am I in the blood products business;  I can not 
answer your question specifically.


Bottom line:  a group here called the Green Cross, headed by the late, 
wicked Dr. Abe, knew perfectly well that the unheated blood products 
were a risk.  They sold them because they did not want to lose money.


The persons who used the unheated products had high levels of HIV;  
those who did not, did not.   Those with high HIV levels were the ones 
who developed AIDS.  Most died.


Best I can do without doing research which you can do yourself.   It 
was big news in the English newspapers as well.  Probably lots of 
vetted papers online, at least abstracts.  Good luck.



JBB






On Tuesday, Jan 3, 2006, at 15:54 Asia/Tokyo, Jim Holmes wrote:


Hello Jonathan,

How long was the blood heated at what temp ranges?

How long after inoculation did symptoms appear?

Do you know anyone who can produce a paper on the isolation of and 
culture

of the HIV viron?

Jim



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From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp]
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Subject: Re: CSAIDS http://theothersideofaids.com/

I can tell you this:  many Japanese hemophiliacs, including many who
have died from AIDS, were infected with HIV by using unheated blood
products imported from the USA.   At the time, heated products were
available, but unsold unheated products were imported and sold for
reasons of profit.   Those who used heated products were not infected
with HIV and did not develop AIDS.

This is well-documented and has been a topic in mainstream news in
Japan for many, many years.   There was even a lengthy trial of an
elderly MD who was clearly responsible for the disaster but was never
convicted;  he became senile and died first.

Bottom line:  an identifiable group of persons was infected with HIV
from unheated blood products; those who used heated products were not
infected.  Heating killed the infectious agent, which is almost
certainly HIV.

I have no reason to doubt the existence of HIV or the claim that it is
the primary cause of AIDS.

As for Dr. Gallo, I read recently that he himself is suffering from
cancer, alas.


On Wednesday, Dec 28, 2005, at 05:20 Asia/Tokyo, Jim Holmes wrote:


If anyone can find a paper demonstrating either the successful
isolation of
or culturing of the virus, please send to me the information on how to
get a
copy.  I know a PhD microbiologist who has been searching for such a
paper
for several years.  A friend of his directly asked Robert Gallo
(Received
credit for creating the first test for the condition) for the paper,
and
Gallo turned white, said nothing, and turned and walked rapidly away.



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CS2005 list volume report...

[M. G. Devour]

Hi gang!

If it's any interest to y'all, I just closed out my 2005 archive of 
list posts. The total number of messages I see is 10070, or an average 
of about 28 per day...

This is down about 10% from last year, and a lot lower than the 14000-
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The list membership hovers at just over 600, as it has for at least a 
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Hawkins back in early 1998.

I've normally run the list a bit looser on subject control than some 
folks want it, admitting that the inevitable stream of What can I do 
for... -type questions are, in fact, an important part of what we do.

This comes at a price for those on dial-up connections, and for people 
who are on short rations time and energy-wise due to illness or coping 
with the illness of a loved-one.

So, please observe the list rules and etiquette so that you will 
enforce on yourselves the discipline that will keep the list in the 
best shape possible:

Naturally, any CS related topic is fine.

Any questions about health related issues are fine and may be answered, 
whether the answer involves CS or not.

Non-CS-related answers should be covered briefly, in just enough depth 
to satisfy basic curiosity and point out essential resources so folks 
may follow up on the topic themselves.

Detailed or extended off-topic discussions should be taken to the Off 
Topic List, private e-mail, or other forums.

A reasonable amount of off-topic chatter, humor, friendly asides, etc., 
is okay, so long as you are considerate and keep it to a low level.

You should turn off fancy text formatting and graphics and delete as 
much of the text you are responding to as you can and still leave a 
hint of the context of your reply.

Minimize one-liner replies like Thank you and Me too! Wait 'til 
multiple replies arrive and thank everyone at once. Send requests for 
things people offer directly to their private e-mail address rather 
than to the entire list... and so on.

These are thoughtful things we all can do to cut down on traffic and 
keep things reasonably focused.

I'm pretty satisfied with the volume and tone of our conversations, 
most of the time. I will step in to bring things into line, but 
understand that it is you, as individuals, who can best moderate your 
own activity.  

I like the people in this group. I'm glad you're all a part of my life.

I wish you well in this new year. May 2006 be good to each of us. 

Mike D.
List owner dude!

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Re: CSH2O2 Verified

[Ode Coyote]

 ##  Could you clarify that second part just a touch?


 Why would splitting ions [or particles] change PPM one way or the other?


Ode



Conclusion: Since the measurable concentration (PPM) did not change with 
the addition of the H2O2 the color change must be due to change in 
particle shape.
If there had been a splitting of agglomerated silver ions then the PPM 
should have increased.


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CSVarious yeast posts

[Terry Chamberlin]

Pat said,
“I want to try nutritional yeastdo you always put
it in liquid? I guess you need too much to just put it
in capsules? I like the taste of yeast in beer or
rolls, is it similar?”

I put nutritional yeast into smoothies and stew, I
pour it all over salad and pop corn, I love it mixed
together into mayo and put on brocolli.  N. yeast
comes in tablets, but you would need to eat literally
handfuls of them to equal a few tbsn of yeast powder
(or flakes). The yeast taste in beer or rolls is not
the same kind of yeast, that is the baking yeast
flavor.

V said,
“I make nice smoothies for breakfast that are quite
yummy. I use two raw eggs A little water to thin
it out.”

Don’t use a little water, use CS.

Sharon said,
“Terry, is there any particular brand of nutritional
yeast that you use, or would recommend? And, BTW,
where does Torula yeast fit among the various
types?”

Torula yeast is a type of nutritional yeast. See:
http://www.bulkfoods.com/yeast.htm 

A very good brand in the US is Red Star. I also like
another US brand called Yeast 500, if you can find it.
Here in Canada, I use a Canadian brand. All the N.
yeasts are similar, in that they are high in B
vitamins, and a source of easy-to-digest protein. Some
companies add other nutrients like extra calcium.







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Re: CSWhere to bye a machine I can trust?

[M. G. Devour]

 Hi to all!  I am new and need some advice. Who I can trust to purchase a
 machine from and which one?  Also, is it just distilled water and the
 silver (Bar?)  nothing else added?  I have been confused about different
 opinions I've read. Sorry if I sound like an Idiot this is all new to
 me. Thanks for any help you can give. Lola

Laura, your questions are profound and intelligent, while some 
confusion is to be expected given the state of the marketplace. 

I'm  sure you'll get the answers you need. That's why we're here.  

Let me first to welcome you aboard!

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Re: CSEIS and H2O2

[Marshall Dudley]

Dan Nave wrote:

 Did you add the H2O2 to the batches at the same relative time after the
 CS had been made?  In other words, did one batch cure longer than the
 other before you added the H2O2?  Someone has indicated that the
 reaction of the CS to H2O2 is different depending on how fresh the CS is
 or how long the CS has cured.

That is the one thing I was thinking could have made the difference.  The first
one was added 12 or more hours after the batch was made, the second one only a
couple of hours.  I am planning on doing some tests this week once I get my
scanning spectrophotometer hooked back up to a computer.



 On the new brew, perhaps try taking smaller batch quantities and adding
 H202 to these smaller quantities at different times relative to when the
 CS was made.  EG, using the same brew:

 Batch 1 has H2O2 added immediately after it has been made.

 Batch 2 has H2O2 added 3 hours after it has been made.

 Batch 3 has H2O2 added 6 hours after it has been made.

 Batch 4 has H2O2 added 9 hours after it has been made.

 Batch 4 has H2O2 added 12 hours after it has been made.

 Batch 5 has H2O2 added 24 hours after it has been made.

 and so on...

I agree, and plan on trying something like this in the next few days.  If I can
get them in the spectrophotometer I can likely easily determine what is going
on.

Marshall



 Dan

  
 
  Subject: CSEIS and H2O2
  From: Marshall Dudley mdud...@king-cart.com
  Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:44:02 -0500
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 
 
  OK, I am totally buffaloed now.  I have made two 5 gallon batches and
  added H2O2 to them. Everything is as close to identical between them as I
  can get, but the reactions were totally different.
 
  Batches were produced as follows:
 
  Initial pH of water = 6.8
  electrode area = 48 square inches each .999 silver plates
  current = 38 mA
  voltage ran typically 15-16 volts during making it
  continuous stirring, and polarity reversal at one minute per half cycle.
  Silver content estimate from conductivity measurements 20 ppm
  both were crystal clear, and measured 16.5 uS.
  both batches made at about 62 degrees F.
  tyndall was faint
  did not measure pH before adding H2O2
 
  Added .5 teaspoon H2O2 per gallon, IE 2.5 teaspoons of 3% to 5 gallons to
  give 17 ppm
  First batch tyndall stayed faint, maybe even became fainter -
  conductivity measured 16 uS essentially unchanged
  Second batch tyndall became strong, EIS has a slightly cloudy look, but
  no color, conductivity 9.5 uS approximately halved.
  Both batches measure a pH of about 7.6 after adding H2O2.  Adding H2O2 to
  distilled water gives a pH of 6.8 unchanged from plain DW.
 
  Taking samples of the second batch I did the following:
 
  Heated it, cloudiness and tyndall stayed the same, indicating that it was
  no silver chloride or silver oxide precipitant since the solution limit
  goes up when you heat it.
  Diluted it by 50%, tyndall approximately halved, indicating once again
  that the cloudiness is NOT a silver compound with limited solubility
  Added another 50 or so ppm of H2O2, no change. Added 500 or more ppm of
  H2O2 and it cleared up. I have no idea what that means.
  Added ammonia (ammonium hydroxide), tyndall did not change, proving that
  the cloudyness is from colloidal particles not from any molecular
  compounds of silver precipitated.
  Checked for color, none noted, meaning that the particle size is either
  very small, so the absorption is in the uv range, or very big so the
  absorption is in the infrared range. Strong tyndall implies large
  particles though. Will let sit for 24 hours and see if anything
  precipitates out, if we have large particles I expect to see it clear
  upon sitting.
 
  I am making another batch now.  Before adding the H2O2 to the entire
  batch, I plan on adding it to a few ounce a drop at a time and try to
  figure out some more if the 3rd batch clouds up.
 
  Marshall
 
 
 

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Re: CScholesterol and triglycerides, was Re: CSNiacin

[Marshall Dudley]

grace1...@aol.com wrote:

  Sometimes people get the wrong idea about the Atkins diet, that it
 consists of only meat, cheese, fat, and so forth.  That would
 definitely not be healthy, although I know some people who do well on
 that, and some who don't.  Atkins himself said that after the initial
 breaking in period with his diet, that he recommends fruits and
 vegetables (complex carbohydrates), and that people have gotten the
 wrong idea about his diet.  That would leave out only sugar and
 refined carbohydrates, and there is much evidence to suggest that
 these are the culprits in weight gain, as well as many degenerative
 diseases.  The complex carbohydrates are healthy, and the more raw,
 organic food we eat, the better. One may choose to focus on those
 complex carbohydrates which have a lower glycemic index, however. Some
 people are unaware that the Atkins diet was not originally designed
 for the purpose of loosing weight. Atkins was experimenting with a
 diet that would treat serious illness, such as heart disease, cancer,
 diabetes, etc., that was recalcitrant to other treatments.  His famous
 diet worked outstandingly for these patients to return them to
 health.  The weight loss effect was noted later, as a side
 effect!   Nowadays, people often think that is its only purpose,
 and that benefits of loosing weight must be weighed against (sorry for
 the pun) the disadvantage of following this unhealthy diet. Jill

My wife who was a diabetic for almost 20 years went on the Adkins diet
about 2 years ago and is no longer diabetic.  She quit taking her pills
about 2 months into the diet, and has not needed to take them any more
since. In fact the doctor has even quit measuring her blood sugar.  In
addition she has lost a LOT of unneeded weight.

Marshall

Re: CSVarious yeast posts

[Carol Ann]

Hi Terry,
  I was reading an article where the author makes his own B Vitamins from  
cooking a good quality  bakery bought Yeast and this sounds  interesting to me. 
 You mention that there is a difference between  the nutritional yeast under 
discussion and the BVts yeast.  Is it  significant. 
  
  Carol Ann

Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca wrote:  Pat said,
“I want to try nutritional yeastdo you always put
it in liquid? I guess you need too much to just put it
in capsules? I like the taste of yeast in beer or
rolls, is it similar?”

I put nutritional yeast into smoothies and stew, I
pour it all over salad and pop corn, I love it mixed
together into mayo and put on brocolli.  N. yeast
comes in tablets, but you would need to eat literally
handfuls of them to equal a few tbsn of yeast powder
(or flakes). The yeast taste in beer or rolls is not
the same kind of yeast, that is the baking yeast
flavor.

V said,
“I make nice smoothies for breakfast that are quite
yummy. I use two raw eggs A little water to thin
it out.”

Don’t use a little water, use CS.

Sharon said,
“Terry, is there any particular brand of nutritional
yeast that you use, or would recommend? And, BTW,
where does Torula yeast fit among the various
types?”

Torula yeast is a type of nutritional yeast. See:
http://www.bulkfoods.com/yeast.htm 

A very good brand in the US is Red Star. I also like
another US brand called Yeast 500, if you can find it.
Here in Canada, I use a Canadian brand. All the N.
yeasts are similar, in that they are high in B
vitamins, and a source of easy-to-digest protein. Some
companies add other nutrients like extra calcium.



 

 
  
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Re: CSre-niacin/cholesterol

[Marshall Dudley]

I agree. They are attacking the wrong thing. Colesterol is produced by the
body and is a balm and lubricant.  If there is irritation of blood vessels
then it is layed down on the vessel surface to reduce the irritation (which
is why they recently discovered that taking antibiotics is more effective
than restricting colestrol).  Reducing colerstrol is not the correct
solution to this, reducing the irritation is the correct solution.  As an
example if you have arthritis where excessive calcium is being laid down in
joints, you don't cut your calcium intake, you attack the reason that it is
being misplaced.

Marshall

sol wrote:

 Everything I have read about Cholesterol lowering drugs aside from drug
 company promotional stuff, says they do not reduce the overall death
 rate. In fact they can themselves cause death from side effects. So it
 might make a difference or not to one individual, but in studies they
 don't reduce the number of deaths. So, maybe one person who might have
 had a heart attack didn't have one, but the next guy died from the
 anti-cholesterol drug.  Even the original longterm Framingham study said
 the same thing, but I'm relying on my notoriously unreliable memory.

  I've been amazed here at my husband reporting men he works with who've
 been put on one of the chol lowering drugs feel like total crap, so then
 the doctors put them on something else to relieve those side effects,
 then something else to relieve the side effects of the drug given for
 the original side effects, and pretty soon the person is taking at least
 3 rather heavy duty Rx meds. Not the direction I'd take myself.
 sol

 Pat wrote:

   This is very interesting about cholesterol not being the bad guy.
  What about all the drugs out now...do studies not show they lower
  heart attack?  They sure do think they're wonderful.  That was
  interesting about bran tooI find though that one spoonful a day is
  enough for regularity and I'm pretty certain that the incidence of
  diverticula and hemorrhoids is reduced with enough fiber in the diet.
  Maybe some people can eat enough veggies and fruits but I've found
  only bran or Metamucil wafers (yuck) do the trick.

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Re: CSVarious yeast posts

[Carol Ann]

  Hi Terry,
  I am providing the link to the article. 
  
  
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/chris/2003/07/15/how_to_make_your_own_b_vitamins.htm

Carol Ann saffiresk...@yahoo.com wrote:  Hi Terry,
 I was reading an article where the  author makes his own B Vitamins from 
cooking a good quality   bakery bought Yeast and this sounds interesting to me. 
 You  mention that there is a difference between the nutritional yeast under  
discussion and the BVts yeast.  Is it significant. 
  
  Carol Ann

Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca wrote:  Pat said,
“I want to try nutritional yeastdo you always put
it in liquid? I guess you need too much to just put it
in capsules? I like the taste of yeast in beer or
rolls, is it similar?”

I put nutritional yeast into smoothies and stew, I
pour it all over salad and pop corn, I love it mixed
together into mayo and put on brocolli.  N. yeast
comes in tablets, but you would need to eat literally
handfuls of them to !   equal a   few tbsn of yeast powder
(or flakes). The yeast taste in beer or rolls is not
the same kind of yeast, that is the baking yeast
flavor.

V said,
“I make nice smoothies for breakfast that are quite
yummy. I use two raw eggs A little water to thin
it out.”

Don’t use a little water, use CS.

Sharon said,
“Terry, is there any particular brand of nutritional
yeast that you use, or would recommend? And, BTW,
where does Torula yeast fit among the various
types?”

Torula yeast is a type of nutritional yeast. See:
http://www.bulkfoods.com/yeast.htm 

A very good brand in the US is Red Star. I also like
another US brand called Yeast 500, if you can find it.
Here in Canada, I use a Canadian brand. All the N.
yeasts are similar, in that they are high in B
vitamins, and a source of easy-to-digest protein. Some
companies add other nutrients like extra calcium.



 

 

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Re: CSEIS and H2O2

[Marshall Dudley]

Robert Berger wrote:

 I would like to know why the people on this list feel the need to add
 H2O2 to EIS ???


 Because tests run by Brookes Bradley indicated an increase in
 effectiveness of between 500 and 1000% and those who have tried it
 have also reported a significant increase in effectiveness.
   If you make the EIS correctly then the addition of H2O2 creats as
 T.E. that should not be there !!!

 Why do you say that?  It usually produces a week tyndall, normalizing
 all batches regardless of if the tyndall was initially very week or
 very strong.  I have no idea why you say it should not be there, if
 you have some level of particles which are very necessary, then there
 will be tyndall.

   Switch to assymetrical electrodes as two othe people on this list
 have, and you like their product.

 What is the asymetrical electrode?
  When I made their systems I asked them to not reveal it as i am not
 in the business of making EIS systems. When my booklet comes out in a
 couple of weeks it will detail the process, and why one should do
 somethings. Diagrams, data plots, T.E.M.s the whole nine yards, even
 and invitro comparison with the best.


 In vitro is amost meanless except for determining the effectiveness as
 a disinfectant, in vivo has to be done to determine effectiveness when
 taken internally.

 Marshall


   Ole Bob

 Dan Nave na...@comcast.net wrote:

  Did you add the H2O2 to the batches at the same rel! ative
  time after the
  CS had been made? In other words, did one batch cure longer
  than the
  other before you added the H2O2? Someone has indicated that
  the
  reaction of the CS to H2O2 is different depending on how
  fresh the CS is
  or how long the CS has cured.

  On the new brew, perhaps try taking smaller batch quantities
  and adding
  H202 to these smaller quantities at different times relative
  to when the
  CS was made. EG, using the same brew:

  Batch 1 has H2O2 added immediately after it has been made.

  Batch 2 has H2O2 added 3 hours after it has been made.

  Batch 3 has H2O2 added 6 hours after it has been made.

  Batch 4 has H2O2 added 9 hours after it has been made.

  Batch 4 has H2O2 added 12 hours after it has been made.

  Batch 5 has H2O2 added 24 hours after it has been made.

  and so on...

  Dan


  
  

  
   Subject: CSEIS and H2O2
   From: Marshall Dudley
   Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:44:02 -0500
   To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  
   To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  
  
   OK, I am totally buffaloed now. I have made two 5 gallon
  batches and
   added H2O2 to them. Everything is as close to identical
  between them as I
   can get, but the reactions were totally different.
  
   Batches were produced as follows:
  
   Initial pH of water = 6.8
   electrode area = 48 square inches each .999 silver plates
   current = 38 mA
   voltage ran typically 15-16 volts during making it
   continuous stirring, and polarity reversal at one minute
  per half cycle.
   Silver content estimate from conductivity measurements 20
  ppm
   both were crystal clear, and measured 16.5 uS.
   both batches made at about 62 degrees F.
   tyndall was faint
   did not measure pH bef! ore adding H2O2
  
   Added .5 teaspoon H2O2 per gallon, IE 2.5 teaspoons of 3%
  to 5 gallons to
   give 17 ppm
   First batch tyndall stayed faint, maybe even became
  fainter -
   conductivity measured 16 uS essentially unchanged
   Second batch tyndall became strong, EIS has a slightly
  cloudy look, but
   no color, conductivity 9.5 uS approximately halved.
   Both batches measure a pH of about 7.6 after adding H2O2.
  Adding H2O2 to
   distilled water gives a pH of 6.8 unchanged from plain DW.

  
   Taking samples of the second batch I did the following:
  
   Heated it, cloudiness and tyndall stayed the same,
  indicating that it was
   no silver chloride or silver oxide precipitant since the
  solution limit
   goes up when you heat it.
   Diluted it by 50%, tyndall approximately halved,
  indicating once again
   that the cloudiness is NOT a silver compound with limited
  solubility
   Added a! nother 50 or so ppm of H2O2, no change. Added 500
  or more ppm of
   H2O2 and it cleared up. I have no idea what that means.
   Added ammonia (ammonium hydroxide), tyndall did not
  change, proving that
   the cloudyness is from colloidal particles not from any
  molecular
   compounds of silver precipitated.
   Checked for color, none noted, meaning that the particle
  size is either
   very small, so the absorption is in the uv range, or very
  big so the
   absorption is 

Re: CSGood breakfast ideas

[Ode Coyote]

 Yeast on popcorn is the greatest flavor!!!

Ode

At 06:57 PM 1/2/2006 -0800, you wrote:

 Does that actually taste good?  hehehe  I do like eggnog with raw eggs 
so maybe I could make something with them.  I want to try nutritional 
yeastdo you always put it in liquid?  I guess you need too much to 
just put it in capsules?  I like the taste of yeast in beer or rolls, is 
it similar?  Today I bought some Bolthouse Farms Green Goodness 
juiceit looked awful, but tasted great.  Wonder if it has enough blue 
green algea and spirulina to be helpful?



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Re: CSlupus?

[Ode Coyote]

  You 'can' get argyria that way, but you have to really work at it for 
quite a while.

Ode

At 02:30 AM 1/3/2006 -0500, you wrote:


No, she didn't get argyria.


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Re: CSEIS and H2O2

[Jason E]

Greetings, all:

If you have a quality brew made up of dissolved silver and silver 
particles, the addition of H2O2 will first:


Increase the tyndall effective significantly

See:
http://www.silvermedicine.org/h2o2archives.html

The H2O2 silver reaction will continue for days, but is most pronounced 
within minutes of adding the h2o2.


Then, the tyndall effect will lessen ( depending on how much h2o2 is 
used )...until there is no tyndall.


At this point, the H2O2 will stabilize in the solution.

You can start to guage the reaction by using a red or green laser, but 
you will also need peroxide testing strips.


If you have a lower quality brew, then adding the H2o2 will initially 
cause a color change in the CS, turning it grey, brown or yellow. 
Adding more  H2o2 will eventually cause the CS to clear.  However, with 
this type of silver, many different types of reactions can occur, 
including silver being dropped out of suspension...  because there is 
too much metallic silver in the water, in the form of large, nearly 
visible particles.  You can search for and find these particles ( prior 
to adding peroxide ) with a laser pen.


Kind Regards,

Jason





Marshall Dudley wrote:

Robert Berger wrote:

I would like to know why the people on this list feel the need to add 
H2O2 to EIS ???

 **

*Because tests run by Brookes Bradley indicated an increase in 
effectiveness of between 500 and 1000% and those who have tried it 
have also reported a significant increase in effectiveness.*
**  If you make the EIS correctly then the addition of H2O2 creats as 
T.E. that should not be there !!!


*Why do you say that?  It usually produces a week tyndall, normalizing 
all batches regardless of if the tyndall was initially very week or 
very strong.  I have no idea why you say it should not be there, if 
you have some level of particles which are very necessary, then there 
will be tyndall.*
 
  Switch to assymetrical electrodes as two othe people on this list 
have, and you like their product.


*What is the asymetrical electrode?*
 When I made their systems I asked them to not reveal it as i am not 
in the business of making EIS systems. When my booklet comes out in a 
couple of weeks it will detail the process, and why one should do 
somethings. Diagrams, data plots, T.E.M.s the whole nine yards, even 
and invitro comparison with the best.
 

*In vitro is amost meanless except for determining the effectiveness 
as a disinfectant, in vivo has to be done to determine effectiveness 
when taken internally.***


*Marshall*
 
 
  Ole Bob


*/Dan Nave na...@comcast.net/* wrote:

Did you add the H2O2 to the batches at the same rel! ative time
after the
CS had been made? In other words, did one batch cure longer than the
other before you added the H2O2? Someone has indicated that the
reaction of the CS to H2O2 is different depending on how fresh the
CS is
or how long the CS has cured.

On the new brew, perhaps try taking smaller batch quantities and
adding
H202 to these smaller quantities at different times relative to
when the
CS was made. EG, using the same brew:

Batch 1 has H2O2 added immediately after it has been made.

Batch 2 has H2O2 added 3 hours after it has been made.

Batch 3 has H2O2 added 6 hours after it has been made.

Batch 4 has H2O2 added 9 hours after it has been made.

Batch 4 has H2O2 added 12 hours after it has been made.

Batch 5 has H2O2 added 24 hours after it has been made.

and so on...

Dan
 






 Subject: CSEIS and H2O2
 From: Marshall Dudley 
 Date: Thu, 29 Dec 2005 19:44:02 -0500

 To: silver-list@eskimo.com

 To: silver-list@eskimo.com


 OK, I am totally buffaloed now. I have made two 5 gallon batches
and
 added H2O2 to them. Everything is as close to identical between
them as I
 can get, but the reactions were totally different.

 Batches were produced as follows:

 Initial pH of water = 6.8
 electrode area = 48 square inches each .999 silver plates
 current = 38 mA
 voltage ran typically 15-16 volts during making it
 continuous stirring, and polarity reversal at one minute per
half cycle.
 Silver content estimate from conductivity measurements 20 ppm
 both were crystal clear, and measured 16.5 uS.
 both batches made at about 62 degrees F.
 tyndall was faint
 did not measure pH bef! ore adding H2O2

 Added .5 teaspoon H2O2 per gallon, IE 2.5 teaspoons of 3% to 5
gallons to
 give 17 ppm
 First batch tyndall stayed faint, maybe even became fainter -
 conductivity measured 16 uS essentially unchanged
 Second batch tyndall became strong, EIS has a slightly cloudy
look, but
 no color, conductivity 9.5 uS approximately halved.
 Both batches measure a pH of about 7.6 after 

CSacid stomach, was Re: CSNiacin

[sol]

My understanding is if you have heartburn, etc, you take a couple 
tablespoons of apple cider vinegar. If you feel better, means you  have 
the discomfort from low acid. If you feel worse, you have too much acid.
My husband did this test a couple of times, and it definitely makes him 
worse. So he has too much acid, not too little.


However, Zantac did make him worse, so did other things he was supposed 
to take for it. Confusing.
My CS is slightly acid (I had forgotten about that) so maybe that is why 
drinking the CS on an empty stomach gives him a bellyache. I think I'll 
try adding a pinch of baking soda just before he drinks it, and see if 
that makes any difference.

sol

Pat wrote:

It was just assumed I had too much acid.  The first time I had pain 
and it went through to my back.  The doctor assumed I had an ulcer and 
didn't think testing was necessary since it was my first problem.  The 
Zantac worked great (took it for 6 weeks) and I never had a problem 
again with that.  Then the other time I was having lots of chest pain 
which we figured out was really coming from the stomach or esophagus.  
She assumed it was from acid splashing into the esophagus (acid 
reflux) and prescribed Prilosec which increased my pain.  So I took 
Zantac again and it made everything feel good.  I take it now if I 
overeat or whatever and have a one time burning pain in the chest. 
Often Tums or other antacids made me feel like I'd eaten a concrete block.


 




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CStap water CS

[Terry Chamberlin]

 Did she get argyria from making the CS in drinking
water???

To ED: NEVER make CS in drinking water. It must be
made with
DISTILLED water.

The likelihood of getting argyria from CS made with
tap water is so small as to be almost a
non-consideration. Is it possible? Yes, but you'd have
to brew it to coffee color to do it. Whatever water
you use, whether it be DW or filtered, spring, tap,
etc., just don't make coffee-colored CS. Keep it clear
or close to clear and you have nothing to fear.

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Re: CSH2O2 Verified

[Marshall Dudley]

Robert Berger wrote:

 Happy New Years Listers,
  There has been much discussion about the use of H2O2 when added to
 your silver hydrosol. Therefore I setup an experiment today to provide
 some positive answers to the question. Using the product of a 2 gallon
 microwave power supply brew made on 11-9-05 that was a light yellow
 color but clear. Tested on 11-10-05 and retested today before and
 after adding 5 drops of 35 H2O2 to a one gallon jug. Test data for
 11-10-05: Ag+ =8.6 PPM; Conductance = 10.3 uS/cm Retest;  on
 1-2-06: Ag+= 8.58 PPM; conductance = 8.3 uS/cm Test data after the
 addition of 5 drops of 35% H2O2 per gallon. The yellow color
 completely disappeared and then the test data taken. 1-2-06  Ag+ =
 8.58 PPM;  Conductance = 9.4 uS/cm. The addition of the H2O2 does
 create a slight astringent taste but it is masked with the addition of
 Gatorade. Conclusion: Since the measurable concentration (PPM) did not
 change with the addition of the H2O2 the color change must be due to
 change in particle shape.


 How can the ppm of silver change, silver is an element, and no matter
 what you do with it it will still be silver. Of course the ppm of
 silver did not change.  Since the ppm cannot change, and did not
 change, how can you reach any conclusion as to it meaning that
 something was due to something?

 We know that the change from yellow to clear is due to a reduction in
 particle size already.  The discussions have been not on if it reduces
 the particle size, but by what mechanism it does this.
  If there had been a splitting of agglomerated silver ions then the
 PPM should have increased.


 Huh? The ppm of silver cannot increase. That would require a nuclear
 reaction.  The total silver content HAS to remain constant no matter
 what chemical reaction is done.

 Also I have no idea of what you mean by agglomerated silver ions.  We
 I think have decided to call the two components of EIS molecular ions
 and nano particles.

 Marshall



   Ole Bob

CSLive vs nutritional yeast

[Terry Chamberlin]

Carol Ann said,
I was reading an article where the author makes his
own B Vitamins from cooking a good quality  bakery
bought Yeast and this sounds interesting to me. You
mention that there is a difference between the
nutritional yeast under discussion and the BVts yeast.
Is it significant?

Actually, ingesting baking yeast (what you use to make
bread rise) is very good for you, giving your body
enzymes to improve digestion. 

But since they are live yeast cells, able to grow and
increase, folks with yeast infection issues can have
great trouble with them. 

Nutritional yeast, since it has been cooked, contains
no live yeast cells.






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CSDistilled Water

[ruth strackbein]

From Ruth Strackbein

 My distiller is now repaired. It is definitely a kind that is acceptable for making CS. However it is quite old. I have had it for 15 years or so, and it was second-hand then. Before this repair job, the whole thing was full of gunk from distilling hard water. I did clean with vinegar, running through a half gallon or so. That would clean up the rods, but finally the spout got so clogged it could no longer be cleaned. Now it works again. I am told that I should use only softened water in it. That is my problem. I do not know how soft my water is. When the salt machine has just run, it is probably pretty soft. 


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Re: CSAIDS http://theothersideofaids.com/

[Marshall Dudley]

This is true, but the conclusion is likely wrong.  Those that had high HIV
also probably had HPV, one of the viruses that CAN cause AIDS or benzene (or
a derivative) in the blood.  That resulted in a high HIV test for one of two
reasons. First if HIV does exist, it is a marker and increased due to the
crippled immune system so it is over the threshold value tested for when the
blood is diluted 100:1.  So testing for HIV is an effective test for a
crippled immune system, and whatever was crippling it was still in the blood.
Or second, it is known that the HIV test will test positive for lots of
things, including the HPV virus, so it could have been simply resonding to
the present HPV virus.

Marshall

Jonathan B. Britten wrote:

 Jim San,

 I am not an MD, nor am I in the blood products business;  I can not
 answer your question specifically.

 Bottom line:  a group here called the Green Cross, headed by the late,
 wicked Dr. Abe, knew perfectly well that the unheated blood products
 were a risk.  They sold them because they did not want to lose money.

 The persons who used the unheated products had high levels of HIV;
 those who did not, did not.   Those with high HIV levels were the ones
 who developed AIDS.  Most died.

 Best I can do without doing research which you can do yourself.   It
 was big news in the English newspapers as well.  Probably lots of
 vetted papers online, at least abstracts.  Good luck.

 JBB

 On Tuesday, Jan 3, 2006, at 15:54 Asia/Tokyo, Jim Holmes wrote:

  Hello Jonathan,
 
  How long was the blood heated at what temp ranges?
 
  How long after inoculation did symptoms appear?
 
  Do you know anyone who can produce a paper on the isolation of and
  culture
  of the HIV viron?
 
  Jim
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Jonathan B. Britten [mailto:jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp]
  Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:51 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CSAIDS http://theothersideofaids.com/
 
  I can tell you this:  many Japanese hemophiliacs, including many who
  have died from AIDS, were infected with HIV by using unheated blood
  products imported from the USA.   At the time, heated products were
  available, but unsold unheated products were imported and sold for
  reasons of profit.   Those who used heated products were not infected
  with HIV and did not develop AIDS.
 
  This is well-documented and has been a topic in mainstream news in
  Japan for many, many years.   There was even a lengthy trial of an
  elderly MD who was clearly responsible for the disaster but was never
  convicted;  he became senile and died first.
 
  Bottom line:  an identifiable group of persons was infected with HIV
  from unheated blood products; those who used heated products were not
  infected.  Heating killed the infectious agent, which is almost
  certainly HIV.
 
  I have no reason to doubt the existence of HIV or the claim that it is
  the primary cause of AIDS.
 
  As for Dr. Gallo, I read recently that he himself is suffering from
  cancer, alas.
 
 
  On Wednesday, Dec 28, 2005, at 05:20 Asia/Tokyo, Jim Holmes wrote:
 
  If anyone can find a paper demonstrating either the successful
  isolation of
  or culturing of the virus, please send to me the information on how to
  get a
  copy.  I know a PhD microbiologist who has been searching for such a
  paper
  for several years.  A friend of his directly asked Robert Gallo
  (Received
  credit for creating the first test for the condition) for the paper,
  and
  Gallo turned white, said nothing, and turned and walked rapidly away.
 
 
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CSDistilled Water

[ruth strackbein]

From Ruth Strackbein, Hi,My first post about distilled water was not complete. Something went haywire with this computer, or I put my finger on something that messed things up. I did not think that message went through, since it never said it did, so I wrote another. That one wouldn't send at all. Won't take time now to rewrite again. Maybe the rewrite will still come on. Ruth


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CS(no subject)

[Marmar845]

Tony wrote:

 Has he been checked out for parasites?  If you have pets you are almost 
 guaranteed to be infested. 

***There's a gruesome thought.  Jz.  MA

Re: CS2005 list volume report...

[Marmar845]

In a message dated 1/3/06 10:59:16 AM Central Standard Time, 
mdev...@eskimo.com writes:


 I like the people in this group. I'm glad you're all a part of my life.
 

***Right backatcha Mike!!  :-D  MA 

Re: CStap water CS

[Grace1way]

The reason I mentioned that lupus disappeared after three months of  drinking 
1 quart CS made with tap water and three 9-volt batteries, in  conjunction 
with a muscle-tested variable daily dose of the herb peau d'arco,  was not to 
stir up controversy about the dangers or inadvisability of  making CS with tap 
water, but to show that EVEN WITH AN INFERIOR GRADE OF  CS, it was possible to 
permanently get rid of lupus within three  months, as verified by conventional 
laboratory tests.
 
Perhaps not every case will have exactly the same results.   However, the 
client is a middle aged woman who had a relatively poor diet,  little exercise, 
and took no other measures besides those mentioned  above. From this, and other 
similar cases reported on this list, it does  appear that lupus can be 
eradicated by using CS.
 
Respectfully submitted,
 
Jill
 

CSWhere to bye a machine I can trust?

[Laura Stattel]

Hi to all!  I am new and need some advice. Who I can trust to purchase a 
machine from and which one?  Also, is it just distilled water and the silver 
(Bar?)  nothing else added?  I have been confused about different opinions I've 
read. Sorry if I sound like an Idiot this is all new to me. Thanks for any help 
you can give. Lola

Re: CSWhere to bye a machine I can trust?

[Grace1way]

Lola:
 
From one idiot to another,
 
I recently searched the internet and other sources to find a really good  
home CS generator.  Although I'm no expert on CS (never will be), from  
multiple 
sources (having no economic interest in recommending any particular  model) I 
gleaned that the SG6-auto home CS generator is excellent.  It  makes clear, 
small particle, light stable CS (easily stored and has a long  shelf life), at 
the strength that you set on the dial, and turns itself off when  reaching the 
desired parts per million. You need only a quart jar, and  distilled water. 
Turn it on, and in around 2 hours it turns itself off and  indicates that it 
has 
finished brewing.
 
For more information, check out _www.silvergen.com_ 
(http://www.silvergen.com) .  Call and talk  with Trem; he is extremely 
knowledgeable, and very helpful 
as well.
 
I have two of these for myself, and purchased two others for family and  
friends.  I couldn't be more satisfied!
 
Best of luck 

Re: CSWhere to bye a machine I can trust?

[epatai]

Are we all idiots? wow..somehow I feel relieved..lol



From: M. G. Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSWhere to bye a machine I can trust?
Date: Tue, 03 Jan 2006 15:08:47 -5

 Hi to all!  I am new and need some advice. Who I can trust to purchase a
 machine from and which one?  Also, is it just distilled water and the
 silver (Bar?)  nothing else added?  I have been confused about different
 opinions I've read. Sorry if I sound like an Idiot this is all new to
 me. Thanks for any help you can give. Lola

Laura, your questions are profound and intelligent, while some
confusion is to be expected given the state of the marketplace.

I'm  sure you'll get the answers you need. That's why we're here.

Let me first to welcome you aboard!

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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CSRe: CS--Say Goodbye to Autism

[Grace1way]

Greetings Listers;
 
Since there have been recent inquiries about autism on this list, I wanted  
to inform you all of the preliminary results from the 2004 Autism Pilot Study  
conducted by the Nambudripad Allergy Research Foundation.  Using NAET  
(Nambudripad Allergy Elimination Technique), the following study was done,  and 
results obtained:
 
Starting with a group of 60 children within the Autism Spectrum, 30  children 
in the treatment group were administered twice weekly NAET treatments  for 50 
allergens (foods, chemicals, environmental allergens, DPT and MMR  
vaccinations, and antibiotics and other drugs previously taken).  All 60 of  
these 
children before NAET had no eye contact, no verbal communication, no  nonverbal 
communication, and were following a special educational program.  
 
RESULTS: 
In the treatment group, all 30 subjects established good eye contact by the  
time they completed 5 to 10 NAET treatments. All of them established verbal  
communication as well as nonverbal communication in varying degrees by the time 
 they completed 5-20 treatments.  The four children who dropped out due to  
unavoidable circumstances (parents having to relocate due to job situations) 
had  established eye contact, and some amount of verbal and nonverbal 
communication  before discontinuing the program.. According to independent 
psychiatric  
evaluation and the reports from the children's school psychological 
departments,  19 out of the 26 children completing the study have been removed 
from the  
autistic category.  Four children were evaluated as being mildly autistic;  
they are able to talk and communicate nonverbally. The other three  children 
require more treatments; evaluations indicate they are  still moderately to 
severely autistic.  However, the children in this  last group have improved 
greatly.  
 
The parents are very thankful for this opportunity for their children to  
lead normal lives. Larger studies are upcoming, with children from the  Control 
Group in this present study being included in the Treatment  Group of the next 
study.
 
For more information, see _www.naet.com_ (http://www.naet.com) ,  and read 
the book by Devi S.Nambudripad, Say Goodbye  to Allergy-Related Autism.
 
Respectfully submitted,
 
Jill
 
 

Re: CStap water CS

[Robert Berger]

Greetings Jill,
   
  I enjoyed your post, because a group of my friends are going to take a cruise 
in the Caribbean, there has been a lot of illness associated with these 
cruises. So they might need a portable generator to take care of any problems.
   
  I made generator using one 9 volt battery with one 4 3/4, #12 silver anode 
and one 4 3/4, 3/32 brass cathode rod. I used the connector that I removed 
from an old 9 v battery, and soldered the electrodes in the holes. That makes 
1/2 spacing of the electrodes.
   
  With 13 ounces of Kansas City water in a table glass and stirring for 2 
minutes the silver content measured 12. PPM and the current averaged about 
36mA. (actual measure).
   
  The water took on a slight milky color due to the formation of silver 
chloride. It had no unusual taste.
   
  Now, I would like to know how much time you used the 3- 9's, and what 
electrode length, spacing, and amount of water?
   
  Ole Bob
   
  
grace1...@aol.com wrote:
  The reason I mentioned that lupus disappeared after three months of 
drinking 1 quart CS made with tap water and three 9-volt batteries, in 
conjunction with 

Re: CStap water CS

[Grace1way]

Hello Bob,
 
I used 2 cups of water in a Pyrex measuring cup.  The silver wires  were six 
inches long.  The spacing was variable, since my only concern  was trying to 
keep the 2 silver wires from touching each other in the  water.  I had the 
alligator clips holding the silver wires perched on top  of the measuring cup.  
The time to make CS was variable also, from 20  seconds, to maybe three 
minutes, 
depending on the water used. The closer to  distilled the water was, the 
longer the process took. To determine when the  CS was done, I just stirred and 
took out the silver when the water was EVER  SO SLIGHTLY gray.  
 
I hope this answers your questions.  I have no clue what the PPM was,  and 
I'm sure that it varied considerably.  
 
Jill

Re: CSpurchase CS

[Tad Winiecki]

I just have a jar set up on my counter, with silver electrodes sticking
down through a home-cut plexiglass lid, powered by a generator I bought.  I
pour in distilled water, turn on, shut it off after 45 + minutes, then use
it out of the jar.  I don't clean the electrodes in any way.  Sometimes I
swish a little DW around to rinse.  The only work is picking up the DW from
the store.  Buying CS from someone by mail has to be a lot more work.

Nancy



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Re: CSNiacin

[James McCourt, Ph.D.]

I have been able to research such a procedure. A good friend determined to
do something is on the verge of corrective surgery, which of course should
be avoided. Any references to the corrective procedure would be greatly
appreciated.

- Original Message - 
From: V vzo...@yahoo.com
To: Pat silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Monday, January 02, 2006 8:46 PM
Subject: Re: CSNiacin


 Hi Pat,

 yeah acid reflux is a diffrenet problem. that happens when the little
valve at the bottom of the esaphagus that closes off the stomach get stuck
in the open position then acid come up and burns the esophagus which is not
made to withstad acid from stomach. some aloe vera preperations help with
taht but i heard there was a way to reset the valve so it closes and opens
properly again but i dont know the proceduer. it is somethnig you can do
yourself.




 Take care,
  V


  It was just assumed I had too much acid.  The  first time I had pain and
  it went through to my back.  The doctor  assumed I had an ulcer and
  didn't think testing was necessary since it  was my first problem.  The
  Zantac worked great (took it for 6  weeks) and I never had a problem
  again with that.  Then the other  time I was having lots of chest pain
  which we figured out was really  coming from the stomach or esophagus.
  She assumed it was from  acid splashing into the esophagus (acid reflux)
  and prescribed Prilosec  which increased my pain.  So I took Zantac
again
  and it made  everything feel good.  I take it now if I overeat or
  whatever and  have a one time burning pain in the chest. Often Tums or
  other antacids  made me feel like I'd eaten a concrete block.
 
 
Pat


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