It was always about the people
Hello folks (sorry for the long read) Been reading and thinking about this all week. What I realized was that as great a piece of software that is Softimage, it has always been about the people. I have been connected to this software for close to 19 years in some way. First time was on an SGI Indy just after the MS purchase and all the way to today. A few side trips to Max and Maya along the way. But even with all the great things I made with this software, when people asked me why I stuck with it for so long the simple answer was the people. Not too long after XSI shipped, we were starting to use it on a new game when Gareth Morgan came calling. He sat down with us and asked what can they do better for us. What do you need and how can we make things better for you. I can assure you, no one from Alias or Autodesk ever asked us. We were a small developer back in the day but the fact that someone at SI would want to talk with us made all the difference in the world. Alias finally came to visit us, only after we were acquired by EA and got established as EA Chicago. Alias was told to visit us. The Alias sales guy even said to me had they known we existed they would have visited us sooner. He then asked what product we used on our last game...which was pretty successful (NBA Street). I told him Softimage. He laughed and said it probably wasn't a very good game. That was my introduction to companies outside of Softimage. Autodesk wasn't much better in their attitude. It was always clear that Softimage cared deeply about its customers and connected in a personal way. A way that always made me feel that they were there as a partner helping me solve problems. Whether it was flying to Montreal to meet with the dev team. Visits from Gareth. Phone calls to Manny to help us out. Passionate discussions on the beta list with Chinny. Christine Charette manning the beta list and licenses. Jen Goldfinch of course. Poor Simon Inwood and David that put up with me during our custom builds on the dead and buried Marvel project. Siggraph meetings and beers until late in the night...Boston! Erik and his wall of toys. Olivier and everyone at Special Projects. Countless others that were there along with us fighting the fight. Luc-Eric, Dominic, Martin, St Blair, Alexandre, Robert, Brent, Marc-Andre...so many others I cant recall them all. The day we got shut down in Chicago I reached out to Marc Stevens directly to let him know we were getting closed. He asked how he could help. I told him I have a lot of artists that need to make demo reels. He offered up 6 months of SI so that my artists could get their reels done and help them find a new job. That was close to 20-30 people. During my job hunting trip to EA Montreal, I stopped by the Saint-Laurent office and went out for drinks with my Softimage friends. Even Gareth, long gone from Softimage came out as well. Late that evening with Jen and Gareth, still knowing that here were people that still cared. This from a software company. And there was the mailing list. To my first smack down by Kim (still stings!) to today, this list has been an integral part of my career. A wealth of passion and knowledge, this list has always been something that I have been thankful for. The people here have been just as helpful and passionate as the people making the software. After the acquisition...well we know now. But through all of it. The people were the reasons I stayed. My career has me on a new path and while I am still in CG and games I have not been hands on in the last 5 years. But it was and has always been the community of people that defined Softimage. From the people who make it to those that use it. If there was one wish I have, it's that somehow, some way, this community carries on. Hope to see everyone on the other side my friends. Cheers -marc
Re: Save Softimage Petition
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Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
It works :) - and thanks for making the effort Raff! Morten Den 5. marts 2014 kl. 04:51 skrev Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com: Personally I find the offer monetary value itself barely relevant. Let me explain: It's more the fact a person as highly positioned as him keeps in touch with people who have hardly anything to do with his products and is wiling to jump a whole chain of decision makers and bureaucracy to make something happen in a few hours that matters to me. If it saves you a few hundred bucks that's a bonus for sure :) BTW apparently it's the community store or something like that that should be used at: http://community.thefoundry.co.uk/store/modo/ http://community.thefoundry.co.uk/store/modo/ Some other store locations might not accept coupons. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:45 PM, nick name creator3dstu...@gmail.com mailto:creator3dstu...@gmail.com wrote: You'd never see such a gesture from Adsk. On the other hand I think it's a bit too early for this offer for most Softimage users to make a jump in one direction or another. Not saying that there won't be a few that will want to score this opportunity, so... yeah, it's a lot better than nothing.
Re: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement
Hehe :) :( On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Sam Cuttriss tea...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcDn8gVPY_8 On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Leoung O'Young digim...@digimata.comwrote: Hi Maurice, I know you are in a very difficult situation with a lot of angry XSI users. It is a sad day for us here since been using since the early 1990 but didn't upgrade when Autodesk bought XSI so we are still using Version 7.1 due to number of circumstances. Is there a chance for us to upgrade to Softimage/XSI 2014 at this time? We are in a very difficult position since we have a lot of assets in XSI. Thanks for you time. Leoung On 04/03/2014 7:21 PM, Maurice Patel wrote: Hi Eric, Yes you will. Service packs and hot fixes are provided to all customers whether they are on Subscription or not. It is only extension releases that were exclusive to Subscription customers Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-bounces@ listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eric Turman Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:17 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement Maurice, I am on maintenance through April of this year. If I choose not to upgrade my license because I do not want to lose my perpetual license, will I be entitled to the mentioned service pack(s) hotfixes, and beta participation for said packs? How is that supposed to work? -=Eric Turman On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.commailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com wrote: Hi Sven Yes you can upgrade. The price list will contain upgrade paths to either bundle. These will be at standard upgrade price rates though (not for free). As was mentioned on a previous thread next year those will go away too - but for all Autodesk products maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134tel:514%20954-7134 -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage- boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-bounces@ listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sven Constable Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 6:27 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc. autodesk.com Subject: RE: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement Maurice, It is still unclear to me. Is it possible to upgrade an existing perpetual network/floating license from previous versions to version 2015 (perpetual +network/floating license). Without any subscription or bundles? -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage- boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:s oftimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Maurice Patel Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 9:55 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc. autodesk.com Subject: RE: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement Autodesk will stop selling Softimage licenses to customers on March 28th (which is when the new 2014 price list goes into effect for all Autodesk products worldwide). Basically there will no longer be any Softimage SKUs in that price list. - Softimage 2015 will be delivered to all customers who have purchased Softimage prior to that date and who are on Subscription. - After March 28th, existing customers who are not on Subscription, will be able to upgrade their Softimage licenses to the Maya+Softimage or 3ds Max+Softimage bundle - After March 28th, existing customers will be able to purchase additional seats (or rental plans) of those bundles if they need extra capacity - As a result a customer who does not already own a Softimage license will not be able to buy Softimage 2015 maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134tel:514%20954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage- boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:s oftimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sven Constable Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 3:40 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc. autodesk.com Subject: RE: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement Softimage 2015 will be released at April 14 but the announcement says that we cannot purchase standalone licences as of march 28. I don't get it. Does it mean the new version won't be available for new costumers the same time it will be released? What about upgrading existing floating licences when you are not on subscription? I'm using 2011 (NLM, no SAP). Can I upgrade to Softimage2015 (NLM) AFTER march 28? From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage- boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:s oftimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Angus Davidson
Re: A way forward - We are kingmakers.
This is exactly what I am thinking for years now: 3D software out of the hands of large corporations. All the legal problems that come with public companies (not being able to talk freely about future developments at any time for example, safe harbor blah) is just to much of a problem for a product that highly depends on the input of it's users and proper communication, let alone looming bankruptcy in financially difficult times, let alone in times of bad management decisions, and combinations thereof. Blender can never go bankrupt! That DATEV example is particularly nice since buyers of the software automatically become owners of the company, not just the product or license. Some thoughts: It would be cool if subscribes could actively contribute to the development through feature requests and/or code contributions, and everybody gets access to daily builds. Through regular code contributions members could get developer status, freeing them from having to pay a member fee. It could be legally challenging to get that business model established on an international level though, not sure how the Genossenschaft translates to the US and other countries. Any ideas how this could work? after laying around the whole night and couldn't sleep here are my 2 cents on the whole situation. When you look at the history of Softimage it's quite obvious that developing a software for this industry is quite a challenge. I think there is reason why Daniel Langlois sold Softimage to Microsoft, because he couldn't stand the developing costs for a complete rewrite anymore. And when you see how long it took until XSI and later Moondust got on the market you may have glimpse what it means to develop a piece Software with this kind of sophistication. I can only hope that FabricEngine and all the others develop a better business model then the traditional one with investors outside of the industry who are not bound to the company they are invested in and can sell their investment at anytime to anywhom. I think the only solution are strong bounds into the 3D industry itself. I want to show you an example. In the Germany there is a company called DATEV. They do a very unsexy thing: tax accounting software. But the interesting part is that this company has been built by its customers and is owned by its customers in form of a cooperative society. The company exists since 1966 which gives you an idea about the stability and longevity of such the business model. More info about you find here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datev As manufacturing 3D software is obviously not a highly profitable business (or why else Softimage got sold from the founder via Microsoft throught AVID to Autodesk, Maya from Wavefront through Alias to Autodesk, 3dsmax from Kinetix through discreet* to Autodesk) I can only strongly recommend to stay away from financal investors and the stock market and try to finance the development through the 3D industry itself. By the way if you look at Autodesk's latest business figures then you get the impression that big troubles can arise. Last years revenue dropped significantly especially when you compare it to the performance of the competition in the engineering sector. Engineering is 93% of their business by the way. ME only contributes 7% to their revenue and is decreasing. Related to that I don't think that cloud based services which is supposedly the next big thing is wanted by such a conservative industry like the engineering industry is. And believe me or not they are conservative. I have some clients in this field. When this cloud based thing goes down the drain it is likely that Autodesk gets in big trouble and will therefore concentrate on its core business and will as consequence sell its stepchild ME to whomever may have an interest in it (hopefully not a financial investor). Well I have no glass ball in front of me but I think the 3D industry should be prepared for such a situation since Autodesk has a dominant market position and apparently no one seems to care. It's a shame their will be no other software with a middle-click-this-button-to-repeat-the-last-command functionality anymore because Autodesk owns the patent on this and many other innovative concepts which made Softimage unique and stand out. So I think I will stay with my second love until I go the Kim Aldis route. Just my 2 cents. Sorry for the rambling speech. I am still very thankful that I got in touch with Softimage at Spans und Partner 8 years ago after messing around with 3dsmax and Maya. Thanks to the developers and the community for supporting such a great product over the last 28 years. Cheers, Stephan. +1 Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2014, at 5:11, Jeffrey Dates jda...@kungfukoi.com wrote: This. Everything Andy said. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Andy Jones andy.jo...@gmail.com wrote: Many
Re: It was always about the people
So well put Marc! Thanks for a heartwarming read this sad morning. The weather is fine outside but in my mind it rains. You are absolutely right about the people who have cared defining what Softimage has been through time. Although many of them are not around to read this I still want to thank them for a fantastic journey with the fine companion Softimage is. I have used Softimage for 22 years now and would rather keep doing so until I too go the Kim Aldis way. Unfortunately it seems it will no be an option. Maybe next week or the week after I will be able to smile contemplating learning something new. I just wish Porl was around to teach us how to model a cube in Maya... Morten Bartholdy VFX Sup - Gimmickvfx.com Den 5. marts 2014 kl. 09:43 skrev Marc Brinkley marc.brink...@microsoft.com: Hello folks (sorry for the long read) Been reading and thinking about this all week. What I realized was that as great a piece of software that is Softimage, it has always been about the people. I have been connected to this software for close to 19 years in some way. First time was on an SGI Indy just after the MS purchase and all the way to today. A few side trips to Max and Maya along the way. But even with all the great things I made with this software, when people asked me why I stuck with it for so long the simple answer was the people. Not too long after XSI shipped, we were starting to use it on a new game when Gareth Morgan came calling. He sat down with us and asked what can they do better for us. What do you need and how can we make things better for you. I can assure you, no one from Alias or Autodesk ever asked us. We were a small developer back in the day but the fact that someone at SI would want to talk with us made all the difference in the world. Alias finally came to visit us, only after we were acquired by EA and got established as EA Chicago. Alias was told to visit us. The Alias sales guy even said to me had they known we existed they would have visited us sooner. He then asked what product we used on our last game…which was pretty successful (NBA Street). I told him Softimage. He laughed and said it probably wasn’t a very good game. That was my introduction to companies outside of Softimage. Autodesk wasn’t much better in their attitude. It was always clear that Softimage cared deeply about its customers and connected in a personal way. A way that always made me feel that they were there as a partner helping me solve problems. Whether it was flying to Montreal to meet with the dev team. Visits from Gareth. Phone calls to Manny to help us out. Passionate discussions on the beta list with Chinny. Christine Charette manning the beta list and licenses. Jen Goldfinch of course. Poor Simon Inwood and David that put up with me during our custom builds on the dead and buried Marvel project. Siggraph meetings and beers until late in the night…Boston! Erik and his wall of toys. Olivier and everyone at Special Projects. Countless others that were there along with us fighting the fight. Luc-Eric, Dominic, Martin, St Blair, Alexandre, Robert, Brent, Marc-Andre…so many others I cant recall them all. The day we got shut down in Chicago I reached out to Marc Stevens directly to let him know we were getting closed. He asked how he could help. I told him I have a lot of artists that need to make demo reels. He offered up 6 months of SI so that my artists could get their reels done and help them find a new job. That was close to 20-30 people. During my job hunting trip to EA Montreal, I stopped by the Saint-Laurent office and went out for drinks with my Softimage friends. Even Gareth, long gone from Softimage came out as well. Late that evening with Jen and Gareth, still knowing that here were people that still cared. This from a software company. And there was the mailing list. To my first smack down by Kim (still stings!) to today, this list has been an integral part of my career. A wealth of passion and knowledge, this list has always been something that I have been thankful for. The people here have been just as helpful and passionate as the people making the software. After the acquisition…well we know now. But through all of it. The people were the reasons I stayed. My career has me on a new path and while I am still in CG and games I have not been hands on in the last 5 years. But it was and has always been the community of people that defined Softimage. From the people who make it to those that use it. If there was one wish I have, it’s that somehow, some way, this community carries on. Hope to see everyone on the other side my friends. Cheers -marc
Re: A way forward - We are kingmakers.
Mr. Doyle are you reading this? Morten Den 5. marts 2014 kl. 10:11 skrev Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.com: This is exactly what I am thinking for years now: 3D software out of the hands of large corporations. All the legal problems that come with public companies (not being able to talk freely about future developments at any time for example, safe harbor blah) is just to much of a problem for a product that highly depends on the input of it's users and proper communication, let alone looming bankruptcy in financially difficult times, let alone in times of bad management decisions, and combinations thereof. Blender can never go bankrupt! That DATEV example is particularly nice since buyers of the software automatically become owners of the company, not just the product or license. Some thoughts: It would be cool if subscribes could actively contribute to the development through feature requests and/or code contributions, and everybody gets access to daily builds. Through regular code contributions members could get developer status, freeing them from having to pay a member fee. It could be legally challenging to get that business model established on an international level though, not sure how the Genossenschaft translates to the US and other countries. Any ideas how this could work? after laying around the whole night and couldn't sleep here are my 2 cents on the whole situation. When you look at the history of Softimage it's quite obvious that developing a software for this industry is quite a challenge. I think there is reason why Daniel Langlois sold Softimage to Microsoft, because he couldn't stand the developing costs for a complete rewrite anymore. And when you see how long it took until XSI and later Moondust got on the market you may have glimpse what it means to develop a piece Software with this kind of sophistication. I can only hope that FabricEngine and all the others develop a better business model then the traditional one with investors outside of the industry who are not bound to the company they are invested in and can sell their investment at anytime to anywhom. I think the only solution are strong bounds into the 3D industry itself. I want to show you an example. In the Germany there is a company called DATEV. They do a very unsexy thing: tax accounting software. But the interesting part is that this company has been built by its customers and is owned by its customers in form of a cooperative society. The company exists since 1966 which gives you an idea about the stability and longevity of such the business model. More info about you find here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datev As manufacturing 3D software is obviously not a highly profitable business (or why else Softimage got sold from the founder via Microsoft throught AVID to Autodesk, Maya from Wavefront through Alias to Autodesk, 3dsmax from Kinetix through discreet* to Autodesk) I can only strongly recommend to stay away from financal investors and the stock market and try to finance the development through the 3D industry itself. By the way if you look at Autodesk's latest business figures then you get the impression that big troubles can arise. Last years revenue dropped significantly especially when you compare it to the performance of the competition in the engineering sector. Engineering is 93% of their business by the way. ME only contributes 7% to their revenue and is decreasing. Related to that I don't think that cloud based services which is supposedly the next big thing is wanted by such a conservative industry like the engineering industry is. And believe me or not they are conservative. I have some clients in this field. When this cloud based thing goes down the drain it is likely that Autodesk gets in big trouble and will therefore concentrate on its core business and will as consequence sell its stepchild ME to whomever may have an interest in it (hopefully not a financial investor). Well I have no glass ball in front of me but I think the 3D industry should be prepared for such a situation since Autodesk has a dominant market position and apparently no one seems to care. It's a shame their will be no other software with a middle-click-this-button-to-repeat-the-last-command functionality anymore because Autodesk owns the patent on this and many other innovative concepts which made Softimage unique and stand out. So I think I will stay with my second love until I go the Kim Aldis route. Just my 2 cents. Sorry for the rambling speech. I am still very thankful that I got in touch with Softimage at Spans und Partner 8 years ago after messing around with 3dsmax and Maya. Thanks to the developers and the community for supporting such a great product over the last 28 years. Cheers, Stephan. +1 Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2014, at
Re: A way forward - We are kingmakers.
He Stephan and all. Thanks for your words. But let's try to keep this thread constructive and on topic. Which is about what to do next, and if there is interest in a combined effort to create a scene assembly tool based on fabric (or something else) specifically. There are more than enough threads to vent your feelings about this messed up situation already. 2014-03-05 5:48 GMT+01:00 Alex Arce aa.li...@gmail.com: Wow Stephan, Thanks for sharing. I remember in some of my early days with Softimage CE (starting 21 years ago), Spans+Partners work on some of the early Softimage reels inspiring me to explore more. It makes me happy to be reminded of this so many years later, even at such a depressing moment it Softimage history. Thanks again, Alex On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Stephan Hempel elh...@gmail.com wrote: after laying around the whole night and couldn't sleep here are my 2 cents on the whole situation. When you look at the history of Softimage it's quite obvious that developing a software for this industry is quite a challenge. I think there is reason why Daniel Langlois sold Softimage to Microsoft, because he couldn't stand the developing costs for a complete rewrite anymore. And when you see how long it took until XSI and later Moondust got on the market you may have glimpse what it means to develop a piece Software with this kind of sophistication. I can only hope that FabricEngine and all the others develop a better business model then the traditional one with investors outside of the industry who are not bound to the company they are invested in and can sell their investment at anytime to anywhom. I think the only solution are strong bounds into the 3D industry itself. I want to show you an example. In the Germany there is a company called DATEV. They do a very unsexy thing: tax accounting software. But the interesting part is that this company has been built by its customers and is owned by its customers in form of a cooperative society. The company exists since 1966 which gives you an idea about the stability and longevity of such the business model. More info about you find here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datev As manufacturing 3D software is obviously not a highly profitable business (or why else Softimage got sold from the founder via Microsoft throught AVID to Autodesk, Maya from Wavefront through Alias to Autodesk, 3dsmax from Kinetix through discreet* to Autodesk) I can only strongly recommend to stay away from financal investors and the stock market and try to finance the development through the 3D industry itself. By the way if you look at Autodesk's latest business figures then you get the impression that big troubles can arise. Last years revenue dropped significantly especially when you compare it to the performance of the competition in the engineering sector. Engineering is 93% of their business by the way. ME only contributes 7% to their revenue and is decreasing. Related to that I don't think that cloud based services which is supposedly the next big thing is wanted by such a conservative industry like the engineering industry is. And believe me or not they are conservative. I have some clients in this field. When this cloud based thing goes down the drain it is likely that Autodesk gets in big trouble and will therefore concentrate on its core business and will as consequence sell its stepchild ME to whomever may have an interest in it (hopefully not a financial investor). Well I have no glass ball in front of me but I think the 3D industry should be prepared for such a situation since Autodesk has a dominant market position and apparently no one seems to care. It's a shame their will be no other software with a middle-click-this-button-to-repeat-the-last-command functionality anymore because Autodesk owns the patent on this and many other innovative concepts which made Softimage unique and stand out. So I think I will stay with my second love until I go the Kim Aldis route. Just my 2 cents. Sorry for the rambling speech. I am still very thankful that I got in touch with Softimage at Spans und Partner 8 years ago after messing around with 3dsmax and Maya. Thanks to the developers and the community for supporting such a great product over the last 28 years. Cheers, Stephan. +1 Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2014, at 5:11, Jeffrey Dates jda...@kungfukoi.com wrote: This. Everything Andy said. On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Andy Jones andy.jo...@gmail.com wrote: Many studios having the same problems at the same time is a HUGE opportunity if we leverage it properly. I completely agree about the collaboration that will be necessary from users. However, for studios' part, I know a lot of places are interested in Fabric already, even if they haven't actually bought licenses yet. So if part of the incentive was some kind of agreement for the FE guys to help nurture a scene
Re: It was always about the people
This was the nicest thing i have read in a very long time. Thank you for taking the time to put it together, Marc. Cheers, Octav On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:43 AM, Marc Brinkley marc.brink...@microsoft.comwrote: Hello folks (sorry for the long read) Been reading and thinking about this all week. What I realized was that as great a piece of software that is Softimage, it has always been about the people. I have been connected to this software for close to 19 years in some way. First time was on an SGI Indy just after the MS purchase and all the way to today. A few side trips to Max and Maya along the way. But even with all the great things I made with this software, when people asked me why I stuck with it for so long the simple answer was the people. Not too long after XSI shipped, we were starting to use it on a new game when Gareth Morgan came calling. He sat down with us and asked what can they do better for us. What do you need and how can we make things better for you. I can assure you, no one from Alias or Autodesk ever asked us. We were a small developer back in the day but the fact that someone at SI would want to talk with us made all the difference in the world. Alias finally came to visit us, only after we were acquired by EA and got established as EA Chicago. Alias was told to visit us. The Alias sales guy even said to me had they known we existed they would have visited us sooner. He then asked what product we used on our last game...which was pretty successful (NBA Street). I told him Softimage. He laughed and said it probably wasn't a very good game. That was my introduction to companies outside of Softimage. Autodesk wasn't much better in their attitude. It was always clear that Softimage cared deeply about its customers and connected in a personal way. A way that always made me feel that they were there as a partner helping me solve problems. Whether it was flying to Montreal to meet with the dev team. Visits from Gareth. Phone calls to Manny to help us out. Passionate discussions on the beta list with Chinny. Christine Charette manning the beta list and licenses. Jen Goldfinch of course. Poor Simon Inwood and David that put up with me during our custom builds on the dead and buried Marvel project. Siggraph meetings and beers until late in the night...Boston! Erik and his wall of toys. Olivier and everyone at Special Projects. Countless others that were there along with us fighting the fight. Luc-Eric, Dominic, Martin, St Blair, Alexandre, Robert, Brent, Marc-Andre...so many others I cant recall them all. The day we got shut down in Chicago I reached out to Marc Stevens directly to let him know we were getting closed. He asked how he could help. I told him I have a lot of artists that need to make demo reels. He offered up 6 months of SI so that my artists could get their reels done and help them find a new job. That was close to 20-30 people. During my job hunting trip to EA Montreal, I stopped by the Saint-Laurent office and went out for drinks with my Softimage friends. Even Gareth, long gone from Softimage came out as well. Late that evening with Jen and Gareth, still knowing that here were people that still cared. This from a software company. And there was the mailing list. To my first smack down by Kim (still stings!) to today, this list has been an integral part of my career. A wealth of passion and knowledge, this list has always been something that I have been thankful for. The people here have been just as helpful and passionate as the people making the software. After the acquisition...well we know now. But through all of it. The people were the reasons I stayed. My career has me on a new path and while I am still in CG and games I have not been hands on in the last 5 years. But it was and has always been the community of people that defined Softimage. From the people who make it to those that use it. If there was one wish I have, it's that somehow, some way, this community carries on. Hope to see everyone on the other side my friends. Cheers -marc -- Octavian Ureche +40 732 774 313 (GMT+2) Animation Visual Effects www.okto.ro
Re: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement
I have been reading all the posts and thinking about what everyone said. In the next few month freelancers and companies will have to decide which way to go: 1 - Stick with softimage for the next 2 years or so - Mainly hoping something new come across, or maybe Houdini, Modo, Fabric become a safe option (some of you think Houdini already is - but depends the type of projects you do) 2- Switch to Houdini 3 - Switch to Maya - this may be the safer bet. Maya has some good stuff but overall Softimage it's a much better 3D Applcation so it hurts! - If I was a small Soft house with not a huge pipeline I would stick with Softimage for at least 2 years. Who knows? you may be able to avoid switching to Maya after all and instead go for a more XXI century DCC. There would be a lot of freelancers out of there who would want to work for you :) - As a freelancer I think I will eventually go for Maya if the market dictates so. Try to enjoy what's good in Maya and buy lots of Paracetamol for the headaches :). Bu if there is enough nice softimage work I would stick with it for the next couple of years hoping for the new Softimage to make it! Houdini is tempting as well, but I am unsure at the moment. It's interested to read what everyone is saying as we all have to make a decission! J On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Arvid Björn arvidbj...@gmail.com wrote: Hehe :) :( On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Sam Cuttriss tea...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcDn8gVPY_8 On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Leoung O'Young digim...@digimata.comwrote: Hi Maurice, I know you are in a very difficult situation with a lot of angry XSI users. It is a sad day for us here since been using since the early 1990 but didn't upgrade when Autodesk bought XSI so we are still using Version 7.1 due to number of circumstances. Is there a chance for us to upgrade to Softimage/XSI 2014 at this time? We are in a very difficult position since we have a lot of assets in XSI. Thanks for you time. Leoung On 04/03/2014 7:21 PM, Maurice Patel wrote: Hi Eric, Yes you will. Service packs and hot fixes are provided to all customers whether they are on Subscription or not. It is only extension releases that were exclusive to Subscription customers Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eric Turman Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:17 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement Maurice, I am on maintenance through April of this year. If I choose not to upgrade my license because I do not want to lose my perpetual license, will I be entitled to the mentioned service pack(s) hotfixes, and beta participation for said packs? How is that supposed to work? -=Eric Turman On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.commailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com wrote: Hi Sven Yes you can upgrade. The price list will contain upgrade paths to either bundle. These will be at standard upgrade price rates though (not for free). As was mentioned on a previous thread next year those will go away too - but for all Autodesk products maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134tel:514%20954-7134 -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage- boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-bounces@ listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sven Constable Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 6:27 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc. autodesk.com Subject: RE: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement Maurice, It is still unclear to me. Is it possible to upgrade an existing perpetual network/floating license from previous versions to version 2015 (perpetual +network/floating license). Without any subscription or bundles? -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage- boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:s oftimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Maurice Patel Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 9:55 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc. autodesk.com Subject: RE: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement Autodesk will stop selling Softimage licenses to customers on March 28th (which is when the new 2014 price list goes into effect for all Autodesk products worldwide). Basically there will no longer be any Softimage SKUs in that price list. - Softimage 2015 will be delivered to all customers who have purchased Softimage prior to that date and who are on Subscription. - After March 28th, existing customers who are not on Subscription, will be able to upgrade their Softimage licenses to the Maya+Softimage or 3ds Max+Softimage bundle -
Re: A way forward - We are kingmakers.
I admit that I had to look it up in spite of studying business administration for two years: The English term for Genossenschaft is cooperation. According to a couple of articles I found it seems to be an increasingly popular and successful type of organization, even more so since the financial crisis. According to some statistics it also has the lowest chance of bankruptcy compared to any other form of organisation (at least in Germany, according to this short article: http://www.finanzen.net/nachricht/private-finanzen/Marktwirtschaft-Erfolgsmodell-Genossenschaften-1638921). This is exactly what I am thinking for years now: 3D software out of the hands of large corporations. All the legal problems that come with public companies (not being able to talk freely about future developments at any time for example, safe harbor blah) is just to much of a problem for a product that highly depends on the input of it's users and proper communication, let alone looming bankruptcy in financially difficult times, let alone in times of bad management decisions, and combinations thereof. Blender can never go bankrupt! That DATEV example is particularly nice since buyers of the software automatically become owners of the company, not just the product or license. Some thoughts: It would be cool if subscribes could actively contribute to the development through feature requests and/or code contributions, and everybody gets access to daily builds. Through regular code contributions members could get developer status, freeing them from having to pay a member fee. It could be legally challenging to get that business model established on an international level though, not sure how the Genossenschaft translates to the US and other countries. Any ideas how this could work? after laying around the whole night and couldn't sleep here are my 2 cents on the whole situation. When you look at the history of Softimage it's quite obvious that developing a software for this industry is quite a challenge. I think there is reason why Daniel Langlois sold Softimage to Microsoft, because he couldn't stand the developing costs for a complete rewrite anymore. And when you see how long it took until XSI and later Moondust got on the market you may have glimpse what it means to develop a piece Software with this kind of sophistication. I can only hope that FabricEngine and all the others develop a better business model then the traditional one with investors outside of the industry who are not bound to the company they are invested in and can sell their investment at anytime to anywhom. I think the only solution are strong bounds into the 3D industry itself. I want to show you an example. In the Germany there is a company called DATEV. They do a very unsexy thing: tax accounting software. But the interesting part is that this company has been built by its customers and is owned by its customers in form of a cooperative society. The company exists since 1966 which gives you an idea about the stability and longevity of such the business model. More info about you find here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datev As manufacturing 3D software is obviously not a highly profitable business (or why else Softimage got sold from the founder via Microsoft throught AVID to Autodesk, Maya from Wavefront through Alias to Autodesk, 3dsmax from Kinetix through discreet* to Autodesk) I can only strongly recommend to stay away from financal investors and the stock market and try to finance the development through the 3D industry itself. By the way if you look at Autodesk's latest business figures then you get the impression that big troubles can arise. Last years revenue dropped significantly especially when you compare it to the performance of the competition in the engineering sector. Engineering is 93% of their business by the way. ME only contributes 7% to their revenue and is decreasing. Related to that I don't think that cloud based services which is supposedly the next big thing is wanted by such a conservative industry like the engineering industry is. And believe me or not they are conservative. I have some clients in this field. When this cloud based thing goes down the drain it is likely that Autodesk gets in big trouble and will therefore concentrate on its core business and will as consequence sell its stepchild ME to whomever may have an interest in it (hopefully not a financial investor). Well I have no glass ball in front of me but I think the 3D industry should be prepared for such a situation since Autodesk has a dominant market position and apparently no one seems to care. It's a shame their will be no other software with a middle-click-this-button-to-repeat-the-last-command functionality anymore because Autodesk owns the patent on this and many other innovative concepts which made Softimage unique and stand
Re: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement
I am far removed from hands on production these days, but still a sad day and the decision feels a bit premature. As for the future, I'd just keep the eyes and mind open. There is a lot of innovation happening and maybe a shock like this was needed to accelerate it further. On 5 March 2014 09:40, Jacob Gonzalez jacobgo...@gmail.com wrote: I have been reading all the posts and thinking about what everyone said. In the next few month freelancers and companies will have to decide which way to go: 1 - Stick with softimage for the next 2 years or so - Mainly hoping something new come across, or maybe Houdini, Modo, Fabric become a safe option (some of you think Houdini already is - but depends the type of projects you do) 2- Switch to Houdini 3 - Switch to Maya - this may be the safer bet. Maya has some good stuff but overall Softimage it's a much better 3D Applcation so it hurts! - If I was a small Soft house with not a huge pipeline I would stick with Softimage for at least 2 years. Who knows? you may be able to avoid switching to Maya after all and instead go for a more XXI century DCC. There would be a lot of freelancers out of there who would want to work for you :) - As a freelancer I think I will eventually go for Maya if the market dictates so. Try to enjoy what's good in Maya and buy lots of Paracetamol for the headaches :). Bu if there is enough nice softimage work I would stick with it for the next couple of years hoping for the new Softimage to make it! Houdini is tempting as well, but I am unsure at the moment. It's interested to read what everyone is saying as we all have to make a decission! J On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:56 AM, Arvid Björn arvidbj...@gmail.com wrote: Hehe :) :( On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Sam Cuttriss tea...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcDn8gVPY_8 On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Leoung O'Young digim...@digimata.comwrote: Hi Maurice, I know you are in a very difficult situation with a lot of angry XSI users. It is a sad day for us here since been using since the early 1990 but didn't upgrade when Autodesk bought XSI so we are still using Version 7.1 due to number of circumstances. Is there a chance for us to upgrade to Softimage/XSI 2014 at this time? We are in a very difficult position since we have a lot of assets in XSI. Thanks for you time. Leoung On 04/03/2014 7:21 PM, Maurice Patel wrote: Hi Eric, Yes you will. Service packs and hot fixes are provided to all customers whether they are on Subscription or not. It is only extension releases that were exclusive to Subscription customers Maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134 From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Eric Turman Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 7:17 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement Maurice, I am on maintenance through April of this year. If I choose not to upgrade my license because I do not want to lose my perpetual license, will I be entitled to the mentioned service pack(s) hotfixes, and beta participation for said packs? How is that supposed to work? -=Eric Turman On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 6:10 PM, Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.commailto:maurice.pa...@autodesk.com wrote: Hi Sven Yes you can upgrade. The price list will contain upgrade paths to either bundle. These will be at standard upgrade price rates though (not for free). As was mentioned on a previous thread next year those will go away too - but for all Autodesk products maurice Maurice Patel Autodesk : Tél: 514 954-7134tel:514%20954-7134 -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage- boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-bounces@ listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Sven Constable Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 6:27 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc. autodesk.com Subject: RE: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement Maurice, It is still unclear to me. Is it possible to upgrade an existing perpetual network/floating license from previous versions to version 2015 (perpetual +network/floating license). Without any subscription or bundles? -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage- boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:s oftimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Maurice Patel Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 9:55 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc. autodesk.com Subject: RE: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement Autodesk will stop selling Softimage licenses to customers on March 28th (which is when the new 2014 price list goes into effect for all Autodesk products worldwide). Basically there will
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Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement
My thought exactly!
RE: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement
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Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
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Re: Save Softimage Petition
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Re: A way forward - We are kingmakers.
Hi Felix, well I put this post on purpose in this thread. It's targeted primarily at FabricEngine because I have the impression that regarding their business model they are settled (they have a venture capitalist in their back according to their website) but I suppose not so tight as other companies (The Foundry being a part of Carlyle Group for example). On the other hand I wanted to give Maurice Patel (in all modesty) an idea about some options in the unlikely event that Autodesk would sell the ME division in the future (which imho I think is not so unlikely at all for the stated reasons). But you are right a separate thread would be better. I leave this to the others if someone wants to contribute since I have everything said what I wanted to say. Cheers, Stephan. He Stephan and all. Thanks for your words. But let's try to keep this thread constructive and on topic. Which is about what to do next, and if there is interest in a combined effort to create a scene assembly tool based on fabric (or something else) specifically. There are more than enough threads to vent your feelings about this messed up situation already. 2014-03-05 5:48 GMT+01:00 Alex Arce aa.li...@gmail.com: Wow Stephan, Thanks for sharing. I remember in some of my early days with Softimage CE (starting 21 years ago), Spans+Partners work on some of the early Softimage reels inspiring me to explore more. It makes me happy to be reminded of this so many years later, even at such a depressing moment it Softimage history. Thanks again, Alex On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 11:10 PM, Stephan Hempel elh...@gmail.com wrote: after laying around the whole night and couldn't sleep here are my 2 cents on the whole situation. When you look at the history of Softimage it's quite obvious that developing a software for this industry is quite a challenge. I think there is reason why Daniel Langlois sold Softimage to Microsoft, because he couldn't stand the developing costs for a complete rewrite anymore. And when you see how long it took until XSI and later Moondust got on the market you may have glimpse what it means to develop a piece Software with this kind of sophistication. I can only hope that FabricEngine and all the others develop a better business model then the traditional one with investors outside of the industry who are not bound to the company they are invested in and can sell their investment at anytime to anywhom. I think the only solution are strong bounds into the 3D industry itself. I want to show you an example. In the Germany there is a company called DATEV. They do a very unsexy thing: tax accounting software. But the interesting part is that this company has been built by its customers and is owned by its customers in form of a cooperative society. The company exists since 1966 which gives you an idea about the stability and longevity of such the business model. More info about you find here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datev As manufacturing 3D software is obviously not a highly profitable business (or why else Softimage got sold from the founder via Microsoft throught AVID to Autodesk, Maya from Wavefront through Alias to Autodesk, 3dsmax from Kinetix through discreet* to Autodesk) I can only strongly recommend to stay away from financal investors and the stock market and try to finance the development through the 3D industry itself. By the way if you look at Autodesk's latest business figures then you get the impression that big troubles can arise. Last years revenue dropped significantly especially when you compare it to the performance of the competition in the engineering sector. Engineering is 93% of their business by the way. ME only contributes 7% to their revenue and is decreasing. Related to that I don't think that cloud based services which is supposedly the next big thing is wanted by such a conservative industry like the engineering industry is. And believe me or not they are conservative. I have some clients in this field. When this cloud based thing goes down the drain it is likely that Autodesk gets in big trouble and will therefore concentrate on its core business and will as consequence sell its stepchild ME to whomever may have an interest in it (hopefully not a financial investor). Well I have no glass ball in front of me but I think the 3D industry should be prepared for such a situation since Autodesk has a dominant market position and apparently no one seems to care. It's a shame their will be no other software with a middle-click-this-button-to-repeat-the-last-command functionality anymore because Autodesk owns the patent on this and many other innovative concepts which made Softimage unique and stand out. So I think I will stay with my second love until I go the Kim Aldis route. Just my 2 cents. Sorry for the rambling speech. I am still very thankful that I got in touch with Softimage at Spans und Partner 8 years
Re: Save Softimage Petition
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hell, yes: DONE!
Re: Save Softimage Petition
Thanks Nick, I was thinking to do the same thing. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:44 PM, rs3d r...@sapo.pt wrote: same here! - Original Message - *From:* Cristobal Infante cgc...@gmail.com *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Sent:* Wednesday, March 05, 2014 10:37 AM *Subject:* Re: Save Softimage Petition signed and shared On 5 March 2014 10:15, Diana David dianarcda...@gmail.com wrote: DONE! 2014-03-05 10:04 GMT+00:00 Robert Okker 3dbr...@gmail.com: done On 5 March 2014 11:01, Stephan Haitz sha...@3d-agenten.de wrote: +1 done! Daniel Sweeney 3D Creative Director *Mobile:* +44 (0)7743429771 *Email:* dan...@northforge.co.uk *Web:* http://northforge.co.uk On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 9:50 AM, Matt Morris matt...@gmail.com wrote: 793 supporters in such a short space of time is impressive! And.. done. On 5 March 2014 08:46, Nour Almasri mr.nour.alma...@gmail.com wrote: Done . -- www.matinai.com -- D I A N A D A V I D http://goog_1392998810www.dianadavid.webuda.com e mail: dianarcda...@gmail.com -- http://www.avast.com/ Este email está liivre de vírus e malware porque a proteção avast! Antivirus http://www.avast.com/ está ativa. -- www.lhvfx.com
Re: Save Softimage Petition
Done, please share, maybe something can be done ( hopefully ) but I don't trust Autodesk at all 2014-03-05 11:53 GMT+01:00 Eric Mootz e...@mootzoid.com: hell, yes: DONE!
Re: Save Softimage Petition
Signed. There's over 1000 on there now, which is more than I thought there'd be. Well done! On 5 March 2014 11:03, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.com wrote: Done, please share, maybe something can be done ( hopefully ) but I don't trust Autodesk at all 2014-03-05 11:53 GMT+01:00 Eric Mootz e...@mootzoid.com: hell, yes: DONE! -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk
Re: Save Softimage Petition
Signed. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Byungchul Kang k...@cgndev.com wrote: done!!! 2014-03-05 20:16 GMT+09:00 Chris Marshall chrismarshal...@gmail.com: Signed. There's over 1000 on there now, which is more than I thought there'd be. Well done! On 5 March 2014 11:03, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.com wrote: Done, please share, maybe something can be done ( hopefully ) but I don't trust Autodesk at all 2014-03-05 11:53 GMT+01:00 Eric Mootz e...@mootzoid.com: hell, yes: DONE! -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk -- *Byungchul Kang* | MBC CG TEAM [http://imbc.com] http://cgndev.com
Re: A way forward - We are kingmakers.
Hi Andy, cant agree more with your very elaborate email, thanks for taking the time so sum it up... In regards to your loose suggestion of collaborating on developing future FE based solutions we at Sehsucht in Hamburg are more than interested at this point... Cheers, Daniel On 04/03/2014 22:52, Andy Jones wrote: Many studios having the same problems at the same time is a HUGE opportunity if we leverage it properly. I completely agree about the collaboration that will be necessary from users. However, for studios' part, I know a lot of places are interested in Fabric already, even if they haven't actually bought licenses yet. So if part of the incentive was some kind of agreement for the FE guys to help nurture a scene assembly tool to life quickly, it might help tip the scale for whatever cost/benefit analysis places are doing. The devs working on Fabric are truly some of the best in the world (and from what I understand, a big part of the reason AD bought Softimage to begin with). They are a big part of the equation for what will happen in the future, even if they don't end up wanting to build a scene assembler as a supported product in itself (or who knows -- maybe they will?). It would be great to get a little (or big?) list of studios that are interested in this sort of project (or other ones) and possibly have some kind of summit with the FE guys about what it would take to fast-track FE into certain critical areas of production, assuming a certain number of licenses were purchased. No commitments at this point -- just a list of interested parties who might be curious enough to be part of the conversation, pending whatever other conversations need to be had with superiors. I.e., it's understood that nobody is speaking for their companies at this point. Just indicating that they think their company *might* be interested. I'll start: Psyop Massmarket On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Felix Geremus felixgere...@googlemail.com mailto:felixgere...@googlemail.com wrote: You are probably right. But these times are a little bit different and maybe that's exactly the one chance inside all this mess. We're all sitting in the same boat at the same time. I know a lot of studios who entirely rely on Softimage for lighting. All of these will have to spend time and thus money to move on to another pipeline during the next two years anyway. So why not invest at least parts of this time into the same thing? Individuals are great, and the community should absolutely try. But it's so hard to put something like this together in your spare time. A few studios supporting and profiting from this effort would accelerate the whole process immensely. And about showing potential: wasn't Stage, and all the other fabric applications build for exactly this reason? To show the potential of such a project? 2014-03-04 21:55 GMT+01:00 Steven Caron car...@gmail.com mailto:car...@gmail.com: it is a bit harder for visual effects vendors/studios, in an already difficult market, spending money on software development (not their core business) is a hard sell. seeing a product or product in development on the other hand drums up interest which leads to real investment and collaboration. they need to see if their ideas are aligned with others on the project. don't take my comment as discouragement, it is just how i see it... for now it will be on individuals to come together on a project which shows potential. i hope we, the remaining softimage community, can do that together. again, not discouragement to any studio which wants to partner to make something happen... steven On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 12:34 PM, Felix Geremus felixgere...@googlemail.com mailto:felixgere...@googlemail.com wrote: So now that Softimage will be gone, isn't there room or even need for collaboration here? Before everybody tries to build something themselves, shouldn't people try to bundle forces? And I'm not only talking about individuals here. I'm talking about small to medium size companies who couldn't afford to build something like this alone.
Re: A way forward - We are kingmakers.
Hi Andy,Stefan, re-reading my post, I'm not sure I was totally clear about modeling. I'm not sure if this puts us back in agreement or not, but to clarify, what I meant was just that most pipelines have a reasonable degree of choice in which package they use for modeling. I don't spend much time modeling personally so I'm not qualified to comment on the capabilities of the different packages. From what I do know I fully agree that losing XSI is a hit in this area. For me, it's a hit in every area, just due to how I can make use of ICE pretty much across the board. Not to mention the rest of the tools and the operator stack. I think part of why I glossed over modeling is that I think users who want to will be able to stick with XSI for modelling a little longer in that area than in, say, lighting, where things have to be more consistent across the studio.I just re-read your first post as well and I misunderstood the point you were trying to make, and to which I agree: As far as modeling goes there is a broad range of options to go with (both commercial and non-commercial)I would also say, I think my comments don't really at all capture the needs of game studios. We're all more alike than we are different, and I consider us one user community, but as far as my personal experience, I'm definitely coming at this from a primarily commercials/features point of view. Not sure if your a games guy or not, but I'm just realizing that's a broad category of people who are likely not as antsy as me about getting a new scene assembly tool :)I used to be in games for several years. Most studios I've seen are running some sort of home-grown editor to assemble their game worlds, along the lines of the Cryteks Sandbox, Unity, etc..I doubt they would find a scene assembly tool geared towards shading/rendering useful out of the box, unless it was some emerging games company with awareness of what FE could bring to the game development table and the will to build on it with the goal to transform it into their game editing environment. As for FE used in games, I'm quite surprised seemingly nobody has picked that up yet.I wonder how complicated it would be to get it to run on current consoles and even mobile devices.Now I'm truly going on a tangent, but I would also imagine that a scene assembly tool that exports to Arnold would also serve as a good framework for collecting, prepping, optimizing, and exporting game assets :) You're basically exporting things to a "renderer" after all.Like above, to a certain extent. It might be cool for texture baking/lighting, but the general tendency is to go real-time with as much of the lighting pipeline as possible - It's just so much more flexible and cheaper in the end, and I'm sure we'll see more of that happening in the near future (on faster hardware).Here's a nice example of what's already possible: http://molecularmusings.wordpress.com/2012/05/04/real-time-radiosity/#more-298@Andy J.:Thanks for summing it up so nicely and comprehensively. I need to disagree on the modeling part though. Even in XSI I miss a lot, especially in terms of symmetrical modeling and sculpting. There is huge potential for improvement in any existing application out there. -- --- Stefan Kubicek--- keyvis digital imagery Alfred Feierfeilstraße 3 A-2380 Perchtoldsdorf bei Wien Phone:+43/699/12614231 www.keyvis.at ste...@keyvis.at-- This email and its attachments are confidential and for the recipient only--
Re: Save Softimage Petition
Signed 2014-03-05 12:32 GMT+01:00 Ognjen Vukovic ognj...@gmail.com: Signed. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Byungchul Kang k...@cgndev.com wrote: done!!! 2014-03-05 20:16 GMT+09:00 Chris Marshall chrismarshal...@gmail.com: Signed. There's over 1000 on there now, which is more than I thought there'd be. Well done! On 5 March 2014 11:03, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.com wrote: Done, please share, maybe something can be done ( hopefully ) but I don't trust Autodesk at all 2014-03-05 11:53 GMT+01:00 Eric Mootz e...@mootzoid.com: hell, yes: DONE! -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk -- *Byungchul Kang* | MBC CG TEAM [http://imbc.com] http://cgndev.com -- Michael Johansson Artist/Senior Lecturer/Researcher Kristianstad University Digital Design 29188 Kristianstad Email michael.johans...@hkr.se Infobloom Grönegatan 4a 222 24 Lund Email: mich...@lowend.se www.lowend.se www.abadyl.com
Re: Save Softimage Petition
I am really really gutted right now, i am probably one of the younger users on the mailing list, i was introduced to softimage back around 2010 and since then my life got a lot easier and i really enjoyed my work. Everything was just so much fun and i had much less overtime.I was seriously investing in softimage, i started to learn python because of soft and ice was something i was dead set on mastering. Damn, its just awefull And i seriously cannot even begging to understand how it is for most of you long time users, im seriously very very sorry, and i think this is just bullshit. This petition needs to get more exposure and it would be best spread across linkedin and facebook or whatever. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 1:11 PM, michael johansson mich...@lowend.se wrote: Signed 2014-03-05 12:32 GMT+01:00 Ognjen Vukovic ognj...@gmail.com: Signed. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Byungchul Kang k...@cgndev.com wrote: done!!! 2014-03-05 20:16 GMT+09:00 Chris Marshall chrismarshal...@gmail.com: Signed. There's over 1000 on there now, which is more than I thought there'd be. Well done! On 5 March 2014 11:03, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.com wrote: Done, please share, maybe something can be done ( hopefully ) but I don't trust Autodesk at all 2014-03-05 11:53 GMT+01:00 Eric Mootz e...@mootzoid.com: hell, yes: DONE! -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk -- *Byungchul Kang* | MBC CG TEAM [http://imbc.com] http://cgndev.com -- Michael Johansson Artist/Senior Lecturer/Researcher Kristianstad University Digital Design 29188 Kristianstad Email michael.johans...@hkr.se Infobloom Grönegatan 4a 222 24 Lund Email: mich...@lowend.se www.lowend.se www.abadyl.com
Re: FXGuide want Softimage stories...
Just posted this, let's hear some more! I remember seeing Godzilla was animated with Softimage in the end credits of Godzilla in the 90's, I remember feeling all warm and fuzzy just knowing about it. I spent a lot of time making dinosaurs and that sort of thing in Softimage|3D to learn more. I remember using a GMX2000 Glint graphics card the price of a decent car just to be able to run a high resolution screen (1600x1200). I remember becoming extremely quick with Soft3D, the user interface was so amazingly different from anything else. Middle click menus, double-, triple- and even quadruple clicking keys for shortcuts on the keyboard, left, middle and right mouse buttons being used for various smart context sensitive tasks. It still blows my mind when I remind myself that X C and V letters themselves actually sort of resembles graphic representations of scaling, rotation and translation tools, respectively. I remember baby-sitting a render all night long just because MR would crash every 5 or so frames for my first large commercial production, 750 frames of hard earned PAL frames. Went to bed at 9am. I remember that quirky little side program, Softimage|Particle? I loved playing with it even though it really couldn't do a whole lot. I remember the first buzz on Sumatra, and even though XSI 1.0 wasn't really ready and I started off a bit reluctant, by v1.5 I was flying.The render tree seemed intimidating, yet curiously inviting, and it turned out to change everything about how I worked. I remember the last version of Softimage|3D, 4.0. RIP old friend. I remember the blazingly fast SubD's in XSI 3.0 (I think?), suddenly you could modify amazingly detailed subdivided objects in real time, the mayans stood by watching in awe. I remember spending time learning Softimage|Behaviour, did some tests, fun but ultimately it stayed experimental. I remember going to Siggraph 2007 in San Diego, where they showcased Moondust, a.k.a ICE to standing ovations. It was simply HUGE. Still is actually, amazing piece of software engineering. I even remember the amazingly simple licensing where you just pressed a button inside XSI to get an updated license file, it was all connected and working. Then there was Autodesk. Thanks for all these years Softimage, you've always been my favorite tool - nay companion. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 1:30 PM, Andy Nicholas a...@andynicholas.com wrote: Hi guys, I just got contacted by Ian Failes from FXGuide. He's looking for people to add their stories about Softimage to his article. You can add a comment here: http://www.fxguide.com/quicktakes/remembering-softimage/ Cheers, A
Re: Save Softimage Petition
Done. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 7:30 AM, Ognjen Vukovic ognj...@gmail.com wrote: I am really really gutted right now, i am probably one of the younger users on the mailing list, i was introduced to softimage back around 2010 and since then my life got a lot easier and i really enjoyed my work. Everything was just so much fun and i had much less overtime.I was seriously investing in softimage, i started to learn python because of soft and ice was something i was dead set on mastering. Damn, its just awefull And i seriously cannot even begging to understand how it is for most of you long time users, im seriously very very sorry, and i think this is just bullshit. This petition needs to get more exposure and it would be best spread across linkedin and facebook or whatever. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 1:11 PM, michael johansson mich...@lowend.sewrote: Signed 2014-03-05 12:32 GMT+01:00 Ognjen Vukovic ognj...@gmail.com: Signed. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Byungchul Kang k...@cgndev.com wrote: done!!! 2014-03-05 20:16 GMT+09:00 Chris Marshall chrismarshal...@gmail.com: Signed. There's over 1000 on there now, which is more than I thought there'd be. Well done! On 5 March 2014 11:03, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.com wrote: Done, please share, maybe something can be done ( hopefully ) but I don't trust Autodesk at all 2014-03-05 11:53 GMT+01:00 Eric Mootz e...@mootzoid.com: hell, yes: DONE! -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk -- *Byungchul Kang* | MBC CG TEAM [http://imbc.com] http://cgndev.com -- Michael Johansson Artist/Senior Lecturer/Researcher Kristianstad University Digital Design 29188 Kristianstad Email michael.johans...@hkr.se Infobloom Grönegatan 4a 222 24 Lund Email: mich...@lowend.se www.lowend.se www.abadyl.com
RE: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
Very nice of you to challenge Brad, Raff! Would anyone know if this will entitle us to get v8 when it comes out? Thanks MAC From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Raffaele Fragapane Sent: 4 mars 2014 22:16 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a 50% discount on Modo purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out. I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on Brad's side and decided to help him reach out on account of his personality and display of good will. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
Re: Save Softimage on Facebook and Reddit
that's an even better one. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Marc-Andre Carbonneau marc-andre.carbonn...@ubisoft.com wrote: Actually, all people who worked at Softimage are using this one on Facebook... you should have seen it Jason as you most probably have a lot of ex-softies on your feed?! ;) From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Octavian Ureche Sent: 5 mars 2014 08:34 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Save Softimage on Facebook and Reddit or this one taken straight from nick and the same one with a little more contrast. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 3:26 PM, Ognjen Vukovic ognj...@gmail.com wrote: i like the 2.2 gamma version better :) On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:24 PM, Jason S jasonsta...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe a bit lighter would be better. On 03/05/14 8:17, Jason S wrote: Perhaps an avatar Icon would be good, (perhaps not as extreme as suggesting retiring autodesk) How about following the green avatar model from RH but with the original Softimage Purple? J On 03/05/14 8:06, Ognjen Vukovic wrote: Linkedin could be a good place to go to... On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 1:57 PM, Nick Martinelli n...@nickmartinelli.net wrote: Wow, in less than 24 hours we are already 1329 strong! This is incredible, well done list! For those of you who have signed, I can't thank you enough. When I meet any of you in person I will buy you a beer (but please not all at once). The more people we have on there the better. I know I'm bugging my family and friends to sign. Just to make you all aware, as of right now there are two other ways you can contribute. Someone made a facebook page that can be found here https://www.facebook.com/pages/Save-Softimage-XSI/543470605760224 I would love it if we all Liked the page Also the petition was put up on Reddit which can be found here http://www.reddit.com/r/vfx/comments/1zkfiv/save_softimage_petition/ I'm not a reddit user, but I did make an account just to up vote the petition. Here is a quick .jpg showing where you should click for reddit noobs like me. I personally hate anything where I need to ask people to make an account to do something but I think you are all like me and want to get this out there to as many people as as we can. We would be doing ourselves a disservice if we don't use all the avenues available. If anyone else has any suggestions of where to post the petition or any other ways to raise awareness, go for it and let us know, lets make as much noise as possible. -- Nick Martinelli www.nickMartinelli.net n...@nickmartinelli.net -- Octavian Ureche +40 732 774 313 (GMT+2) Animation Visual Effects www.okto.ro -- Octavian Ureche +40 732 774 313 (GMT+2) Animation Visual Effects www.okto.ro inline: image001.jpg
Re: A way forward - We are kingmakers.
Hi Everyone lots of change is going on, never did i imagine that i will see the end of softimage, really sad but am happy that every one is still positive and looking for smart alternatives and really great discussions are going on, I haven't tried Fabric Engine yet i don't know if my poor scripting skills will be any good to develop things myself but sure if there are enough tool shared by the community for it i will and more less technical people will do also. from what i understand that tools developed inside of Fabric Engine will work inside it regardless of the host DCC, that will be a great way to develop tools to help xsi stay alive for a while and also to fill short comings in other softwares like Modo till its more mature. I thinks Fabric Engine should support more and more DCC packages to give the ultimate freedom for every one to chose. it is really a great effort by everyone there at Fabric Engine and i think we should all support it. for me i will keep using soft till it dies completely but i will start giving modo a chance and use it along side till it matures more i have faith in The Foundry they have done only good things with the softwares they acquired. on another note i haven't been active in the softimage community for couple of years now as most of my work is supervision now and running my own small shop that heavily relay on out sourcing and handling freelancers so it is a bit hectic, but i want to thank every one here specially the people that i got the pleasure of meeting, for the effort they did to support this community and make it the best community any software had. Regards Ahmed Barakat On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:10 PM, Stefan Kubicek s...@tidbit-images.com wrote: Hi Andy, Stefan, re-reading my post, I'm not sure I was totally clear about modeling. I'm not sure if this puts us back in agreement or not, but to clarify, what I meant was just that most pipelines have a reasonable degree of choice in which package they use for modeling. I don't spend much time modeling personally so I'm not qualified to comment on the capabilities of the different packages. From what I do know I fully agree that losing XSI is a hit in this area. For me, it's a hit in every area, just due to how I can make use of ICE pretty much across the board. Not to mention the rest of the tools and the operator stack. I think part of why I glossed over modeling is that I think users who want to will be able to stick with XSI for modelling a little longer in that area than in, say, lighting, where things have to be more consistent across the studio. I just re-read your first post as well and I misunderstood the point you were trying to make, and to which I agree: As far as modeling goes there is a broad range of options to go with (both commercial and non-commercial) I would also say, I think my comments don't really at all capture the needs of game studios. We're all more alike than we are different, and I consider us one user community, but as far as my personal experience, I'm definitely coming at this from a primarily commercials/features point of view. Not sure if your a games guy or not, but I'm just realizing that's a broad category of people who are likely not as antsy as me about getting a new scene assembly tool :) I used to be in games for several years. Most studios I've seen are running some sort of home-grown editor to assemble their game worlds, along the lines of the Cryteks Sandbox, Unity, etc..I doubt they would find a scene assembly tool geared towards shading/rendering useful out of the box, unless it was some emerging games company with awareness of what FE could bring to the game development table and the will to build on it with the goal to transform it into their game editing environment. As for FE used in games, I'm quite surprised seemingly nobody has picked that up yet. I wonder how complicated it would be to get it to run on current consoles and even mobile devices. Now I'm truly going on a tangent, but I would also imagine that a scene assembly tool that exports to Arnold would also serve as a good framework for collecting, prepping, optimizing, and exporting game assets :) You're basically exporting things to a renderer after all. Like above, to a certain extent. It might be cool for texture baking/lighting, but the general tendency is to go real-time with as much of the lighting pipeline as possible - It's just so much more flexible and cheaper in the end, and I'm sure we'll see more of that happening in the near future (on faster hardware). Here's a nice example of what's already possible: http://molecularmusings.wordpress.com/2012/05/04/real-time-radiosity/#more-298 @Andy J.:Thanks for summing it up so nicely and comprehensively. I need to disagree on the modeling part though. Even in XSI I miss a lot, especially in terms of symmetrical modeling and sculpting. There is huge potential for improvement
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a *50% discount on Modo* purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. *Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out.* I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on Brad's side and decided to help him reach out on account of his personality and display of good will. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
Yeah be good to know when this runs too. need to evaluate it first before jumping straight on no matter how good the deal is!! Daniel Sweeney 3D Creative Director *Mobile:* +44 (0)7743429771 *Email:* dan...@northforge.co.uk *Web:* http://northforge.co.uk On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.com wrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a *50% discount on Modo*purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. *Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out.* I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on Brad's side and decided to help him reach out on account of his personality and display of good will. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are!
RE: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
You can get the 15 day demo that should allow you play with it. Also watch the learnign videos at http://www.thefoundry.co.uk/products/modo/learn/ I suggest the 11 Getting started Videos as they show some nice features. There is also stuff on digital tutors as well We got a license to evaluate for when we need to change software at Wits Kind regards Angus From: Gerbrand Nel [nagv...@gmail.com] Sent: 05 March 2014 04:03 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a 50% discount on Modo purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out. I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on Brad's side and decided to help him reach out on account of his personality and display of good will. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style=width:100%; tr td align=left style=text-align:justify;font face=arial,sans-serif size=1 color=#99span style=font-size:11px;This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
I'm willing to buy it, but I don't know if I should wait for Modo 801. Because to buy this and later have to spend more 500 USD to update will put a serious hole on my wallet. Does anybody knows if this purchase will lets us upgrade to 801 with a nice discount? :D Anyway ... Brad always seemed like a great guy and this is prove of that. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.com wrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a *50% discount on Modo*purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. *Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out.* I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on Brad's side and decided to help him reach out on account of his personality and display of good will. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx
Re: Save Softimage Petition
So, 1500 people and counting isn't enough to at least let it keep collecting dust like Composite or Matchmover, apparently. Yeah, right. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 5:10 AM, Daniel Brassard dbrassar...@gmail.comwrote: Done. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 7:30 AM, Ognjen Vukovic ognj...@gmail.com wrote: I am really really gutted right now, i am probably one of the younger users on the mailing list, i was introduced to softimage back around 2010 and since then my life got a lot easier and i really enjoyed my work. Everything was just so much fun and i had much less overtime.I was seriously investing in softimage, i started to learn python because of soft and ice was something i was dead set on mastering. Damn, its just awefull And i seriously cannot even begging to understand how it is for most of you long time users, im seriously very very sorry, and i think this is just bullshit. This petition needs to get more exposure and it would be best spread across linkedin and facebook or whatever. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 1:11 PM, michael johansson mich...@lowend.sewrote: Signed 2014-03-05 12:32 GMT+01:00 Ognjen Vukovic ognj...@gmail.com: Signed. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Byungchul Kang k...@cgndev.comwrote: done!!! 2014-03-05 20:16 GMT+09:00 Chris Marshall chrismarshal...@gmail.com: Signed. There's over 1000 on there now, which is more than I thought there'd be. Well done! On 5 March 2014 11:03, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.com wrote: Done, please share, maybe something can be done ( hopefully ) but I don't trust Autodesk at all 2014-03-05 11:53 GMT+01:00 Eric Mootz e...@mootzoid.com: hell, yes: DONE! -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk -- *Byungchul Kang* | MBC CG TEAM [http://imbc.com] http://cgndev.com -- Michael Johansson Artist/Senior Lecturer/Researcher Kristianstad University Digital Design 29188 Kristianstad Email michael.johans...@hkr.se Infobloom Grönegatan 4a 222 24 Lund Email: mich...@lowend.se www.lowend.se www.abadyl.com
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
i would love to buy this if only to mess with AD but..i dont even know of any facilities in NYC that use it .anyone? as a freelancer, that's kind of the key point On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 9:45 AM, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm willing to buy it, but I don't know if I should wait for Modo 801. Because to buy this and later have to spend more 500 USD to update will put a serious hole on my wallet. Does anybody knows if this purchase will lets us upgrade to 801 with a nice discount? :D Anyway ... Brad always seemed like a great guy and this is prove of that. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.com wrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a 50% discount on Modo purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out. I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on Brad's side and decided to help him reach out on account of his personality and display of good will. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx
Re: Salvage the list.
Did the mailing list just die down all of a sudden? Is everyone off to si-community, if so i think thats not the best solution as forums tend to dilute down the level of discussion over various boards which is not in my opinion the best thing right now. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Leonard Koch leonardkoch...@gmail.comwrote: I agree that we cannot lose this community and another mailing list to run concurrent with the SI List for the next couple years should be a good solution. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote: You do realize Google is as trigger happy with software as AD right? ;-P I would prefer something less 'corporate'. And I don't really use Google stuff too btw Rob \/-\/\/ On 5-3-2014 2:59, Francisco Criado wrote: Thought that making a forum site, would demand too much time for maintainance, and also we saw xsibase go down so, maybe a google group? F. On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Alok Gandhi alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com wrote: I think a new list is good idea. It can be even more awesome if all of us can pull our resources together and ask and share about any DCC we are using. Be it maya, houdini, max, modo, blender etc. Let's make a new list and keep doing the same thing that we have been doing over the years - Ask, Share and just be awesome ! For me personally, as a developer / td, I am ready to write tools for anything. I am still happy to answer any core math questions as it forms the basis of most of our work in any package. Let's do this in parallel to the list. Alok Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2014, at 7:14, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: You don't seem to be aware of many things these days Luc-eric :P. no... that wasn't fair of me i apologize. My point was more to the effect that we should not wait for such plans to occur. Allowing people to ease into a new routine Yes Francisco, i too think a new list would be a good option. one that represents other demographics as well would make sense Emilio, you are a true SI soldier and i share your passion, I'm not encouraging an exodus here, but instigating an initiative to safeguard the knoledge of this list, that knowledge is its members and we both know that many here will not have the choice not to transition, i'd like these people to have a place too, and i don't think a banner should be held aloft as a heavy reminder of what we have lost. it would only lead to wat ever new structure to become a mourning wall. i hope you understand (please don't hate me !) :( On 5 March 2014 01:09, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not aware of plans to shut down this list. If there were, the Google group could be used as a backup On Mar 4, 2014 7:53 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: My fellows, friends, comrades. The recent events that have befallen our community enunciate a breaking. After this nothing or very little will be the same. People will shortly be departing for uncertain pastures. One way or another, a long journey through the night awaits us all, and we will find new lights and some will find new apps to call home. But I think that it is important we take steps to preserve this community even if our paths seem to be at a crossing. For the knowledge and solace woven here, surely they can not take. If we are to move to a new list or to regroup around an existing resource, eg: SI-community, we should do so soon before someone comes along and shuts down this list scattering us to the winds of which not all of us may find their way back. I salute you all you are,were,and will be forever the best and fines this industry could hope for. - A statue of one of the old kings they must have hacked his head off. - But look ! [...] He wears a crown again, a crown of flowers like small stars.They cannot conquer forever. - J.R.R Tolkien No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7151 - Release Date: 03/04/14
RE: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
Act two http://www.acttwo-um.com/careers From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of john clausing Sent: 5 mars 2014 09:52 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list i would love to buy this if only to mess with AD but..i dont even know of any facilities in NYC that use it .anyone? as a freelancer, that's kind of the key point On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 9:45 AM, Maurício PC goneba...@gmail.commailto:goneba...@gmail.com wrote: I'm willing to buy it, but I don't know if I should wait for Modo 801. Because to buy this and later have to spend more 500 USD to update will put a serious hole on my wallet. Does anybody knows if this purchase will lets us upgrade to 801 with a nice discount? :D Anyway ... Brad always seemed like a great guy and this is prove of that. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.commailto:nagv...@gmail.com wrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a 50% discount on Modo purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out. I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on Brad's side and decided to help him reach out on account of his personality and display of good will. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! -- gonebadfx.comhttp://gonebadfx.com/ - your source for bad fx
RE: Salvage the list.
I have email alerts firing from both, pretty much at the same frequency since the announcement. From: Ognjen Vukovic [ognj...@gmail.com] Sent: 05 March 2014 05:05 PM To: softimage Subject: Re: Salvage the list. Did the mailing list just die down all of a sudden? Is everyone off to si-community, if so i think thats not the best solution as forums tend to dilute down the level of discussion over various boards which is not in my opinion the best thing right now. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Leonard Koch leonardkoch...@gmail.commailto:leonardkoch...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that we cannot lose this community and another mailing list to run concurrent with the SI List for the next couple years should be a good solution. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nlmailto:r...@casema.nl wrote: You do realize Google is as trigger happy with software as AD right? ;-P I would prefer something less 'corporate'. And I don't really use Google stuff too btw Rob \/-\/\/ On 5-3-2014 2:59, Francisco Criado wrote: Thought that making a forum site, would demand too much time for maintainance, and also we saw xsibase go down so, maybe a google group? F. On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Alok Gandhi alok.gandhi2...@gmail.commailto:alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com wrote: I think a new list is good idea. It can be even more awesome if all of us can pull our resources together and ask and share about any DCC we are using. Be it maya, houdini, max, modo, blender etc. Let's make a new list and keep doing the same thing that we have been doing over the years - Ask, Share and just be awesome ! For me personally, as a developer / td, I am ready to write tools for anything. I am still happy to answer any core math questions as it forms the basis of most of our work in any package. Let's do this in parallel to the list. Alok Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2014, at 7:14, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: You don't seem to be aware of many things these days Luc-eric :P. no... that wasn't fair of me i apologize. My point was more to the effect that we should not wait for such plans to occur. Allowing people to ease into a new routine Yes Francisco, i too think a new list would be a good option. one that represents other demographics as well would make sense Emilio, you are a true SI soldier and i share your passion, I'm not encouraging an exodus here, but instigating an initiative to safeguard the knoledge of this list, that knowledge is its members and we both know that many here will not have the choice not to transition, i'd like these people to have a place too, and i don't think a banner should be held aloft as a heavy reminder of what we have lost. it would only lead to wat ever new structure to become a mourning wall. i hope you understand (please don't hate me !) :( On 5 March 2014 01:09, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not aware of plans to shut down this list. If there were, the Google group could be used as a backup On Mar 4, 2014 7:53 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: My fellows, friends, comrades. The recent events that have befallen our community enunciate a breaking. After this nothing or very little will be the same. People will shortly be departing for uncertain pastures. One way or another, a long journey through the night awaits us all, and we will find new lights and some will find new apps to call home. But I think that it is important we take steps to preserve this community even if our paths seem to be at a crossing. For the knowledge and solace woven here, surely they can not take. If we are to move to a new list or to regroup around an existing resource, eg: SI-community, we should do so soon before someone comes along and shuts down this list scattering us to the winds of which not all of us may find their way back. I salute you all you are,were,and will be forever the best and fines this industry could hope for. - A statue of one of the old kings they must have hacked his head off. - But look ! [...] He wears a crown again, a crown of flowers like small stars.They cannot conquer forever. - J.R.R Tolkien No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7151 - Release Date: 03/04/14 table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style=width:100%; tr td align=left style=text-align:justify;font face=arial,sans-serif size=1 color=#99span style=font-size:11px;This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the
Re: Save Softimage Petition
Can anyone pass the info to japan fellows... 2014-03-05 15:45 GMT+01:00 Andy Jones andy.jo...@gmail.com: So, 1500 people and counting isn't enough to at least let it keep collecting dust like Composite or Matchmover, apparently. Yeah, right. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 5:10 AM, Daniel Brassard dbrassar...@gmail.comwrote: Done. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 7:30 AM, Ognjen Vukovic ognj...@gmail.com wrote: I am really really gutted right now, i am probably one of the younger users on the mailing list, i was introduced to softimage back around 2010 and since then my life got a lot easier and i really enjoyed my work. Everything was just so much fun and i had much less overtime.I was seriously investing in softimage, i started to learn python because of soft and ice was something i was dead set on mastering. Damn, its just awefull And i seriously cannot even begging to understand how it is for most of you long time users, im seriously very very sorry, and i think this is just bullshit. This petition needs to get more exposure and it would be best spread across linkedin and facebook or whatever. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 1:11 PM, michael johansson mich...@lowend.sewrote: Signed 2014-03-05 12:32 GMT+01:00 Ognjen Vukovic ognj...@gmail.com: Signed. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:19 PM, Byungchul Kang k...@cgndev.comwrote: done!!! 2014-03-05 20:16 GMT+09:00 Chris Marshall chrismarshal...@gmail.com : Signed. There's over 1000 on there now, which is more than I thought there'd be. Well done! On 5 March 2014 11:03, Nicolas Esposito 3dv...@gmail.com wrote: Done, please share, maybe something can be done ( hopefully ) but I don't trust Autodesk at all 2014-03-05 11:53 GMT+01:00 Eric Mootz e...@mootzoid.com: hell, yes: DONE! -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk -- *Byungchul Kang* | MBC CG TEAM [http://imbc.com] http://cgndev.com -- Michael Johansson Artist/Senior Lecturer/Researcher Kristianstad University Digital Design 29188 Kristianstad Email michael.johans...@hkr.se Infobloom Grönegatan 4a 222 24 Lund Email: mich...@lowend.se www.lowend.se www.abadyl.com
Re: Save Softimage Petition
It's been tweeted and RT already. Martin On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:10 AM, javier gonzalez javi09warr...@gmail.comwrote: Can anyone pass the info to japan fellows...
Re: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement
If your students are slamming you Angus, they are stupid. The knowledge of Softimage is easily transferable as it teach you how to think properly. I'm certain they would be less artists if they started with the Maya-hell. Oh well ... I'm almost buying this Modo 701 special offer. Damn. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 7:13 AM, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.zawrote: Great getting past students slamming our decision to teach Softimage on facebook. Not sorry for teaching the best software for DCC. However we will have to teach something else from next year ;( This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx
Re: Salvage the list.
So, google group? its the only way i know for mailing list, if anyone has another idea... F. 2014-03-05 12:09 GMT-03:00 Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za: I have email alerts firing from both, pretty much at the same frequency since the announcement. -- *From:* Ognjen Vukovic [ognj...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 05 March 2014 05:05 PM *To:* softimage *Subject:* Re: Salvage the list. Did the mailing list just die down all of a sudden? Is everyone off to si-community, if so i think thats not the best solution as forums tend to dilute down the level of discussion over various boards which is not in my opinion the best thing right now. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Leonard Koch leonardkoch...@gmail.comwrote: I agree that we cannot lose this community and another mailing list to run concurrent with the SI List for the next couple years should be a good solution. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote: You do realize Google is as trigger happy with software as AD right? ;-P I would prefer something less 'corporate'. And I don't really use Google stuff too btw Rob \/-\/\/ On 5-3-2014 2:59, Francisco Criado wrote: Thought that making a forum site, would demand too much time for maintainance, and also we saw xsibase go down so, maybe a google group? F. On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Alok Gandhi alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com wrote: I think a new list is good idea. It can be even more awesome if all of us can pull our resources together and ask and share about any DCC we are using. Be it maya, houdini, max, modo, blender etc. Let's make a new list and keep doing the same thing that we have been doing over the years - Ask, Share and just be awesome ! For me personally, as a developer / td, I am ready to write tools for anything. I am still happy to answer any core math questions as it forms the basis of most of our work in any package. Let's do this in parallel to the list. Alok Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2014, at 7:14, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: You don't seem to be aware of many things these days Luc-eric :P. no... that wasn't fair of me i apologize. My point was more to the effect that we should not wait for such plans to occur. Allowing people to ease into a new routine Yes Francisco, i too think a new list would be a good option. one that represents other demographics as well would make sense Emilio, you are a true SI soldier and i share your passion, I'm not encouraging an exodus here, but instigating an initiative to safeguard the knoledge of this list, that knowledge is its members and we both know that many here will not have the choice not to transition, i'd like these people to have a place too, and i don't think a banner should be held aloft as a heavy reminder of what we have lost. it would only lead to wat ever new structure to become a mourning wall. i hope you understand (please don't hate me !) :( On 5 March 2014 01:09, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not aware of plans to shut down this list. If there were, the Google group could be used as a backup On Mar 4, 2014 7:53 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: My fellows, friends, comrades. The recent events that have befallen our community enunciate a breaking. After this nothing or very little will be the same. People will shortly be departing for uncertain pastures. One way or another, a long journey through the night awaits us all, and we will find new lights and some will find new apps to call home. But I think that it is important we take steps to preserve this community even if our paths seem to be at a crossing. For the knowledge and solace woven here, surely they can not take. If we are to move to a new list or to regroup around an existing resource, eg: SI-community, we should do so soon before someone comes along and shuts down this list scattering us to the winds of which not all of us may find their way back. I salute you all you are,were,and will be forever the best and fines this industry could hope for. - A statue of one of the old kings they must have hacked his head off. - But look ! [...] He wears a crown again, a crown of flowers like small stars.They cannot conquer forever. - J.R.R Tolkien No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7151 - Release Date: 03/04/14 This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University
Re: Save Softimage Petition
done On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Martin Yara furik...@gmail.com wrote: It's been tweeted and RT already. Martin On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:10 AM, javier gonzalez javi09warr...@gmail.comwrote: Can anyone pass the info to japan fellows... -- Edy Susanto Lim TD http://sawamura.neorack.com
Re: Save Softimage Petition
done On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Edy Susanto Lim edysusant...@gmail.comwrote: done On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Martin Yara furik...@gmail.com wrote: It's been tweeted and RT already. Martin On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:10 AM, javier gonzalez javi09warr...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone pass the info to japan fellows... -- Edy Susanto Lim TD http://sawamura.neorack.com
Re: Salvage the list.
Google group seems quite practical when a lot of other related software/plugins are using them alembic/exocortex/fabric/momentum/arnold and erm, this one. Simon Reeves London, UK *si...@simonreeves.com si...@simonreeves.com* *www.simonreeves.com http://www.simonreeves.com* *www.analogstudio.co.uk http://www.analogstudio.co.uk* On 5 March 2014 15:19, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: So, google group? its the only way i know for mailing list, if anyone has another idea... F. 2014-03-05 12:09 GMT-03:00 Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za: I have email alerts firing from both, pretty much at the same frequency since the announcement. -- *From:* Ognjen Vukovic [ognj...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 05 March 2014 05:05 PM *To:* softimage *Subject:* Re: Salvage the list. Did the mailing list just die down all of a sudden? Is everyone off to si-community, if so i think thats not the best solution as forums tend to dilute down the level of discussion over various boards which is not in my opinion the best thing right now. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Leonard Koch leonardkoch...@gmail.comwrote: I agree that we cannot lose this community and another mailing list to run concurrent with the SI List for the next couple years should be a good solution. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote: You do realize Google is as trigger happy with software as AD right? ;-P I would prefer something less 'corporate'. And I don't really use Google stuff too btw Rob \/-\/\/ On 5-3-2014 2:59, Francisco Criado wrote: Thought that making a forum site, would demand too much time for maintainance, and also we saw xsibase go down so, maybe a google group? F. On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Alok Gandhi alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com wrote: I think a new list is good idea. It can be even more awesome if all of us can pull our resources together and ask and share about any DCC we are using. Be it maya, houdini, max, modo, blender etc. Let's make a new list and keep doing the same thing that we have been doing over the years - Ask, Share and just be awesome ! For me personally, as a developer / td, I am ready to write tools for anything. I am still happy to answer any core math questions as it forms the basis of most of our work in any package. Let's do this in parallel to the list. Alok Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2014, at 7:14, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: You don't seem to be aware of many things these days Luc-eric :P. no... that wasn't fair of me i apologize. My point was more to the effect that we should not wait for such plans to occur. Allowing people to ease into a new routine Yes Francisco, i too think a new list would be a good option. one that represents other demographics as well would make sense Emilio, you are a true SI soldier and i share your passion, I'm not encouraging an exodus here, but instigating an initiative to safeguard the knoledge of this list, that knowledge is its members and we both know that many here will not have the choice not to transition, i'd like these people to have a place too, and i don't think a banner should be held aloft as a heavy reminder of what we have lost. it would only lead to wat ever new structure to become a mourning wall. i hope you understand (please don't hate me !) :( On 5 March 2014 01:09, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not aware of plans to shut down this list. If there were, the Google group could be used as a backup On Mar 4, 2014 7:53 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: My fellows, friends, comrades. The recent events that have befallen our community enunciate a breaking. After this nothing or very little will be the same. People will shortly be departing for uncertain pastures. One way or another, a long journey through the night awaits us all, and we will find new lights and some will find new apps to call home. But I think that it is important we take steps to preserve this community even if our paths seem to be at a crossing. For the knowledge and solace woven here, surely they can not take. If we are to move to a new list or to regroup around an existing resource, eg: SI-community, we should do so soon before someone comes along and shuts down this list scattering us to the winds of which not all of us may find their way back. I salute you all you are,were,and will be forever the best and fines this industry could hope for. - A statue of one of the old kings they must have hacked his head off. - But look ! [...] He wears a crown again, a crown of flowers like small stars.They cannot conquer forever. - J.R.R Tolkien No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7151 - Release
Re: Salvage the list.
Ok then, lets look for a name...something that makes honor to the spirit of this group... 2014-03-05 12:24 GMT-03:00 Simon Reeves si...@simonreeves.com: Google group seems quite practical when a lot of other related software/plugins are using them alembic/exocortex/fabric/momentum/arnold and erm, this one. Simon Reeves London, UK *si...@simonreeves.com si...@simonreeves.com* *www.simonreeves.com http://www.simonreeves.com* *www.analogstudio.co.uk http://www.analogstudio.co.uk* On 5 March 2014 15:19, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: So, google group? its the only way i know for mailing list, if anyone has another idea... F. 2014-03-05 12:09 GMT-03:00 Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za: I have email alerts firing from both, pretty much at the same frequency since the announcement. -- *From:* Ognjen Vukovic [ognj...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 05 March 2014 05:05 PM *To:* softimage *Subject:* Re: Salvage the list. Did the mailing list just die down all of a sudden? Is everyone off to si-community, if so i think thats not the best solution as forums tend to dilute down the level of discussion over various boards which is not in my opinion the best thing right now. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Leonard Koch leonardkoch...@gmail.comwrote: I agree that we cannot lose this community and another mailing list to run concurrent with the SI List for the next couple years should be a good solution. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote: You do realize Google is as trigger happy with software as AD right? ;-P I would prefer something less 'corporate'. And I don't really use Google stuff too btw Rob \/-\/\/ On 5-3-2014 2:59, Francisco Criado wrote: Thought that making a forum site, would demand too much time for maintainance, and also we saw xsibase go down so, maybe a google group? F. On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Alok Gandhi alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com wrote: I think a new list is good idea. It can be even more awesome if all of us can pull our resources together and ask and share about any DCC we are using. Be it maya, houdini, max, modo, blender etc. Let's make a new list and keep doing the same thing that we have been doing over the years - Ask, Share and just be awesome ! For me personally, as a developer / td, I am ready to write tools for anything. I am still happy to answer any core math questions as it forms the basis of most of our work in any package. Let's do this in parallel to the list. Alok Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2014, at 7:14, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: You don't seem to be aware of many things these days Luc-eric :P. no... that wasn't fair of me i apologize. My point was more to the effect that we should not wait for such plans to occur. Allowing people to ease into a new routine Yes Francisco, i too think a new list would be a good option. one that represents other demographics as well would make sense Emilio, you are a true SI soldier and i share your passion, I'm not encouraging an exodus here, but instigating an initiative to safeguard the knoledge of this list, that knowledge is its members and we both know that many here will not have the choice not to transition, i'd like these people to have a place too, and i don't think a banner should be held aloft as a heavy reminder of what we have lost. it would only lead to wat ever new structure to become a mourning wall. i hope you understand (please don't hate me !) :( On 5 March 2014 01:09, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not aware of plans to shut down this list. If there were, the Google group could be used as a backup On Mar 4, 2014 7:53 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: My fellows, friends, comrades. The recent events that have befallen our community enunciate a breaking. After this nothing or very little will be the same. People will shortly be departing for uncertain pastures. One way or another, a long journey through the night awaits us all, and we will find new lights and some will find new apps to call home. But I think that it is important we take steps to preserve this community even if our paths seem to be at a crossing. For the knowledge and solace woven here, surely they can not take. If we are to move to a new list or to regroup around an existing resource, eg: SI-community, we should do so soon before someone comes along and shuts down this list scattering us to the winds of which not all of us may find their way back. I salute you all you are,were,and will be forever the best and fines this industry could hope for. - A statue of one of the old kings they must have hacked his head off. - But look ! [...] He wears a crown again, a crown of flowers like small stars.They
Re: Salvage the list.
Yes sounds like a Google group it is, but i don't know if i am the one who should open it, i don't have enough standing with the community, i was hopping on of the veterans would acquiesce someone who has been around for a while and knows most of the people. On 5 March 2014 15:19, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: So, google group? its the only way i know for mailing list, if anyone has another idea... F. 2014-03-05 12:09 GMT-03:00 Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za: I have email alerts firing from both, pretty much at the same frequency since the announcement. -- *From:* Ognjen Vukovic [ognj...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 05 March 2014 05:05 PM *To:* softimage *Subject:* Re: Salvage the list. Did the mailing list just die down all of a sudden? Is everyone off to si-community, if so i think thats not the best solution as forums tend to dilute down the level of discussion over various boards which is not in my opinion the best thing right now. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Leonard Koch leonardkoch...@gmail.comwrote: I agree that we cannot lose this community and another mailing list to run concurrent with the SI List for the next couple years should be a good solution. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote: You do realize Google is as trigger happy with software as AD right? ;-P I would prefer something less 'corporate'. And I don't really use Google stuff too btw Rob \/-\/\/ On 5-3-2014 2:59, Francisco Criado wrote: Thought that making a forum site, would demand too much time for maintainance, and also we saw xsibase go down so, maybe a google group? F. On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Alok Gandhi alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com wrote: I think a new list is good idea. It can be even more awesome if all of us can pull our resources together and ask and share about any DCC we are using. Be it maya, houdini, max, modo, blender etc. Let's make a new list and keep doing the same thing that we have been doing over the years - Ask, Share and just be awesome ! For me personally, as a developer / td, I am ready to write tools for anything. I am still happy to answer any core math questions as it forms the basis of most of our work in any package. Let's do this in parallel to the list. Alok Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2014, at 7:14, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: You don't seem to be aware of many things these days Luc-eric :P. no... that wasn't fair of me i apologize. My point was more to the effect that we should not wait for such plans to occur. Allowing people to ease into a new routine Yes Francisco, i too think a new list would be a good option. one that represents other demographics as well would make sense Emilio, you are a true SI soldier and i share your passion, I'm not encouraging an exodus here, but instigating an initiative to safeguard the knoledge of this list, that knowledge is its members and we both know that many here will not have the choice not to transition, i'd like these people to have a place too, and i don't think a banner should be held aloft as a heavy reminder of what we have lost. it would only lead to wat ever new structure to become a mourning wall. i hope you understand (please don't hate me !) :( On 5 March 2014 01:09, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not aware of plans to shut down this list. If there were, the Google group could be used as a backup On Mar 4, 2014 7:53 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: My fellows, friends, comrades. The recent events that have befallen our community enunciate a breaking. After this nothing or very little will be the same. People will shortly be departing for uncertain pastures. One way or another, a long journey through the night awaits us all, and we will find new lights and some will find new apps to call home. But I think that it is important we take steps to preserve this community even if our paths seem to be at a crossing. For the knowledge and solace woven here, surely they can not take. If we are to move to a new list or to regroup around an existing resource, eg: SI-community, we should do so soon before someone comes along and shuts down this list scattering us to the winds of which not all of us may find their way back. I salute you all you are,were,and will be forever the best and fines this industry could hope for. - A statue of one of the old kings they must have hacked his head off. - But look ! [...] He wears a crown again, a crown of flowers like small stars.They cannot conquer forever. - J.R.R Tolkien No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3705/7151 - Release Date: 03/04/14 This communication is intended for the addressee
RE: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement
When we switched from maya to softimage we had an immediate improvement in what they were able to deliver. I have no regrets about that. I can understand their frustration though, the job market is hard when your starting out and they dont really have anywhere else to vent. Sparing with Luc Eric has given me a thick skin ;) Just shows how AD$K's decision has much bigger knock on effects then they realise. From: Maurício PC [goneba...@gmail.com] Sent: 05 March 2014 05:19 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement If your students are slamming you Angus, they are stupid. The knowledge of Softimage is easily transferable as it teach you how to think properly. I'm certain they would be less artists if they started with the Maya-hell. Oh well ... I'm almost buying this Modo 701 special offer. Damn. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 7:13 AM, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.zamailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za wrote: Great getting past students slamming our decision to teach Softimage on facebook. Not sorry for teaching the best software for DCC. However we will have to teach something else from next year ;( This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. -- gonebadfx.comhttp://gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style=width:100%; tr td align=left style=text-align:justify;font face=arial,sans-serif size=1 color=#99span style=font-size:11px;This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. /span/font/td /tr /table
Re: A way forward - We are kingmakers.
I'm writing up a response today - lots to cover :) We are paying attention.
Re: Salvage the list.
So, again, any old soft cowboy that may want to lead us? 2014-03-05 12:27 GMT-03:00 Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com : Yes sounds like a Google group it is, but i don't know if i am the one who should open it, i don't have enough standing with the community, i was hopping on of the veterans would acquiesce someone who has been around for a while and knows most of the people. On 5 March 2014 15:19, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: So, google group? its the only way i know for mailing list, if anyone has another idea... F. 2014-03-05 12:09 GMT-03:00 Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za: I have email alerts firing from both, pretty much at the same frequency since the announcement. -- *From:* Ognjen Vukovic [ognj...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 05 March 2014 05:05 PM *To:* softimage *Subject:* Re: Salvage the list. Did the mailing list just die down all of a sudden? Is everyone off to si-community, if so i think thats not the best solution as forums tend to dilute down the level of discussion over various boards which is not in my opinion the best thing right now. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Leonard Koch leonardkoch...@gmail.comwrote: I agree that we cannot lose this community and another mailing list to run concurrent with the SI List for the next couple years should be a good solution. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote: You do realize Google is as trigger happy with software as AD right? ;-P I would prefer something less 'corporate'. And I don't really use Google stuff too btw Rob \/-\/\/ On 5-3-2014 2:59, Francisco Criado wrote: Thought that making a forum site, would demand too much time for maintainance, and also we saw xsibase go down so, maybe a google group? F. On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Alok Gandhi alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com wrote: I think a new list is good idea. It can be even more awesome if all of us can pull our resources together and ask and share about any DCC we are using. Be it maya, houdini, max, modo, blender etc. Let's make a new list and keep doing the same thing that we have been doing over the years - Ask, Share and just be awesome ! For me personally, as a developer / td, I am ready to write tools for anything. I am still happy to answer any core math questions as it forms the basis of most of our work in any package. Let's do this in parallel to the list. Alok Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2014, at 7:14, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: You don't seem to be aware of many things these days Luc-eric :P. no... that wasn't fair of me i apologize. My point was more to the effect that we should not wait for such plans to occur. Allowing people to ease into a new routine Yes Francisco, i too think a new list would be a good option. one that represents other demographics as well would make sense Emilio, you are a true SI soldier and i share your passion, I'm not encouraging an exodus here, but instigating an initiative to safeguard the knoledge of this list, that knowledge is its members and we both know that many here will not have the choice not to transition, i'd like these people to have a place too, and i don't think a banner should be held aloft as a heavy reminder of what we have lost. it would only lead to wat ever new structure to become a mourning wall. i hope you understand (please don't hate me !) :( On 5 March 2014 01:09, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not aware of plans to shut down this list. If there were, the Google group could be used as a backup On Mar 4, 2014 7:53 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: My fellows, friends, comrades. The recent events that have befallen our community enunciate a breaking. After this nothing or very little will be the same. People will shortly be departing for uncertain pastures. One way or another, a long journey through the night awaits us all, and we will find new lights and some will find new apps to call home. But I think that it is important we take steps to preserve this community even if our paths seem to be at a crossing. For the knowledge and solace woven here, surely they can not take. If we are to move to a new list or to regroup around an existing resource, eg: SI-community, we should do so soon before someone comes along and shuts down this list scattering us to the winds of which not all of us may find their way back. I salute you all you are,were,and will be forever the best and fines this industry could hope for. - A statue of one of the old kings they must have hacked his head off. - But look ! [...] He wears a crown again, a crown of flowers like small stars.They cannot conquer forever. - J.R.R Tolkien No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG
Re: A way forward - We are kingmakers.
Anyone can explain a bit what are options with Fabric Engine for non tech guys but purely artist type? Start and work? I understood that it is creation platform for people to get it and create their tools but what are chances that in time there will be enough tools and libraries that will enable non tech guys to pickup various tools and start working? Or I misunderstood what is behind Fabric Engine completely :) On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:30 PM, Paul Doyle technove...@gmail.com wrote: I'm writing up a response today - lots to cover :) We are paying attention.
Re: A way forward - We are kingmakers.
As it have already been stated modern pipelines tend to be more fractured, what we definitely miss is a new and innovative solution for rigging/assembly/animation as there already are plenty of solutions for the rest. Looking forward to Fabric :) Cheers --- Ahmidou Lyazidi Director | TD | CG artist http://vimeo.com/ahmidou/videos http://www.cappuccino-films.com 2014-03-05 16:30 GMT+01:00 Paul Doyle technove...@gmail.com: I'm writing up a response today - lots to cover :) We are paying attention.
Re: Save Softimage on Facebook and Reddit
That is exactly why I believe it is a good idea. But again, we need text on it. So people will know by seeing it what is all about. People that are in the industry will immediatly know. People that don't by curiosity will google Softimage and then, they will know. Now that we are talking seriously here and after all yesterday's passion. The social strategy campaign must containt the following in order to drive the media attention. That is what we need. 1. Web site/blog (open to ideas on the domain name. I will put the money for it.) 2. Video recording of ourselves to show our position after ADSK announcement next week. (Sorry but we need to be on Youtube this days, or if someone else has a better idea). 3. Signed petition to sell Softimage to other company that really cares about us, after ADKS announcement next week. Or something like that. (Done by the petition already there and the FB page) 4. Show what is the work that it has been made with Softimage. (Not only big films and features but our work as well) 5. Do video comparisons of the Softimage vs Maya workflow unbiased as the one you already watched. 6. Put the XSI icon in our profiles, Google, FB, Twitter, etc. (We are on it.) This is the deal guys if we want to drive true attention. Other isolated attempts will be vane. For this to happen and to make something happen we really need commitment. I am willing to dedicate to it, my time and money. I am ready to fight against all odds. Maybe nothing will happen, maybe it will. Things this days are different from the old days. And if we raise awarness at the right spot. You'll never know. But we will never know if we don't try. I am willing to go for it and not to just stand back.. And most important we need some other place to organize us rather than this list.. Maybe another dedicated list would be better. --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation.
Re: Salvage the list.
Isn't there anything else useful than Google groups? Sorry to be a buzzkill about this Rob \/-\/\/ On 5-3-2014 16:27, Sebastien Sterling wrote: Yes sounds like a Google group it is, but i don't know if i am the one who should open it, i don't have enough standing with the community, i was hopping on of the veterans would acquiesce someone who has been around for a while and knows most of the people. On 5 March 2014 15:19, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com mailto:malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: So, google group? its the only way i know for mailing list, if anyone has another idea... F. 2014-03-05 12:09 GMT-03:00 Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za mailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za: I have email alerts firing from both, pretty much at the same frequency since the announcement. *From:* Ognjen Vukovic [ognj...@gmail.com mailto:ognj...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 05 March 2014 05:05 PM *To:* softimage *Subject:* Re: Salvage the list. Did the mailing list just die down all of a sudden? Is everyone off to si-community, if so i think thats not the best solution as forums tend to dilute down the level of discussion over various boards which is not in my opinion the best thing right now. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Leonard Koch leonardkoch...@gmail.com mailto:leonardkoch...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that we cannot lose this community and another mailing list to run concurrent with the SI List for the next couple years should be a good solution. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl mailto:r...@casema.nl wrote: You do realize Google is as trigger happy with software as AD right? ;-P I would prefer something less 'corporate'. And I don't really use Google stuff too btw Rob \/-\/\/ On 5-3-2014 2:59, Francisco Criado wrote: Thought that making a forum site, would demand too much time for maintainance, and also we saw xsibase go down so, maybe a google group? F. On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Alok Gandhi alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com mailto:alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com wrote: I think a new list is good idea. It can be even more awesome if all of us can pull our resources together and ask and share about any DCC we are using. Be it maya, houdini, max, modo, blender etc. Let's make a new list and keep doing the same thing that we have been doing over the years - Ask, Share and just be awesome ! For me personally, as a developer / td, I am ready to write tools for anything. I am still happy to answer any core math questions as it forms the basis of most of our work in any package. Let's do this in parallel to the list. Alok Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2014, at 7:14, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: You don't seem to be aware of many things these days Luc-eric :P. no... that wasn't fair of me i apologize. My point was more to the effect that we should not wait for such plans to occur. Allowing people to ease into a new routine Yes Francisco, i too think a new list would be a good option. one that represents other demographics as well would make sense Emilio, you are a true SI soldier and i share your passion, I'm not encouraging an exodus here, but instigating an initiative to safeguard the knoledge of this list, that knowledge is its members and we both know that many here will not have the choice not to transition, i'd like these people to have a place too, and i don't think a banner should be held aloft as a heavy reminder of what we have lost. it would only lead to wat ever new structure to become a mourning wall. i hope you understand (please don't hate me !) :( On 5 March 2014 01:09, Luc-Eric Rousseau
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
I've contacted Brad to try to find out what the deal will be, regarding 801. I'm not privvy to the release date, so I honestly don't know when that's coming. -Tim On 3/5/2014 8:44 AM, Maurício PC wrote: I'm willing to buy it, but I don't know if I should wait for Modo 801. Because to buy this and later have to spend more 500 USD to update will put a serious hole on my wallet. Does anybody knows if this purchase will lets us upgrade to 801 with a nice discount? :D Anyway ... Brad always seemed like a great guy and this is prove of that. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.com mailto:nagv...@gmail.com wrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a *50% discount on Modo* purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. *Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out.* I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on Brad's side and decided to help him reach out on account of his personality and display of good will. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! -- gonebadfx.com http://gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx -- Signature
Re: Salvage the list.
The mail-archive.com might be a possible alternative. Not many of you probably know this, but there is an alternative archive for this mailing list already running there http://www.mail-archive.com/softimage@listproc.autodesk.com/maillist.html We (Stephen Blair and I) instated this, when there was a prolonged period of troubles with the Google Groups. It could use the archive of the Google Mailing List though, as it doesn’t go that far back... Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com From: Francisco Criado Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 4:19 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Salvage the list. So, google group? its the only way i know for mailing list, if anyone has another idea... F. 2014-03-05 12:09 GMT-03:00 Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za: I have email alerts firing from both, pretty much at the same frequency since the announcement. -- From: Ognjen Vukovic [ognj...@gmail.com] Sent: 05 March 2014 05:05 PM To: softimage Subject: Re: Salvage the list. Did the mailing list just die down all of a sudden? Is everyone off to si-community, if so i think thats not the best solution as forums tend to dilute down the level of discussion over various boards which is not in my opinion the best thing right now. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Leonard Koch leonardkoch...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that we cannot lose this community and another mailing list to run concurrent with the SI List for the next couple years should be a good solution. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote: You do realize Google is as trigger happy with software as AD right? ;-P I would prefer something less 'corporate'. And I don't really use Google stuff too btw Rob \/-\/\/On 5-3-2014 2:59, Francisco Criado wrote: Thought that making a forum site, would demand too much time for maintainance, and also we saw xsibase go down so, maybe a google group? F. On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Alok Gandhi alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com wrote: I think a new list is good idea. It can be even more awesome if all of us can pull our resources together and ask and share about any DCC we are using. Be it maya, houdini, max, modo, blender etc. Let's make a new list and keep doing the same thing that we have been doing over the years - Ask, Share and just be awesome ! For me personally, as a developer / td, I am ready to write tools for anything. I am still happy to answer any core math questions as it forms the basis of most of our work in any package. Let's do this in parallel to the list. Alok Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2014, at 7:14, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: You don't seem to be aware of many things these days Luc-eric :P. no... that wasn't fair of me i apologize. My point was more to the effect that we should not wait for such plans to occur. Allowing people to ease into a new routine Yes Francisco, i too think a new list would be a good option. one that represents other demographics as well would make sense Emilio, you are a true SI soldier and i share your passion, I'm not encouraging an exodus here, but instigating an initiative to safeguard the knoledge of this list, that knowledge is its members and we both know that many here will not have the choice not to transition, i'd like these people to have a place too, and i don't think a banner should be held aloft as a heavy reminder of what we have lost. it would only lead to wat ever new structure to become a mourning wall. i hope you understand (please don't hate me !) :( On 5 March 2014 01:09, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not aware of plans to shut down this list. If there were, the Google group could be used as a backup On Mar 4, 2014 7:53 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: My fellows, friends, comrades. The recent events that have befallen our community enunciate a breaking. After this nothing or very little will be the same. People will shortly be departing for uncertain pastures. One way or another, a long journey through the night awaits us all, and we will find new lights and some will find new apps to call home. But I think that it is important we take steps to preserve this community even if our paths seem to be at a crossing. For the knowledge and solace woven here, surely they can not take. If we are to move to a new list or to regroup around an existing resource, eg:
[OT] For those of us who plan to stick with Soft just a little while longer... ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TuEdU_lrtZk
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Google's has the best search, hands down. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:45 AM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote: Isn't there anything else useful than Google groups? Sorry to be a buzzkill about this Rob \/-\/\/ On 5-3-2014 16:27, Sebastien Sterling wrote: Yes sounds like a Google group it is, but i don't know if i am the one who should open it, i don't have enough standing with the community, i was hopping on of the veterans would acquiesce someone who has been around for a while and knows most of the people. On 5 March 2014 15:19, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: So, google group? its the only way i know for mailing list, if anyone has another idea... F. 2014-03-05 12:09 GMT-03:00 Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za: I have email alerts firing from both, pretty much at the same frequency since the announcement. -- *From:* Ognjen Vukovic [ognj...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 05 March 2014 05:05 PM *To:* softimage *Subject:* Re: Salvage the list. Did the mailing list just die down all of a sudden? Is everyone off to si-community, if so i think thats not the best solution as forums tend to dilute down the level of discussion over various boards which is not in my opinion the best thing right now. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Leonard Koch leonardkoch...@gmail.comwrote: I agree that we cannot lose this community and another mailing list to run concurrent with the SI List for the next couple years should be a good solution. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote: You do realize Google is as trigger happy with software as AD right? ;-P I would prefer something less 'corporate'. And I don't really use Google stuff too btw Rob \/-\/\/ On 5-3-2014 2:59, Francisco Criado wrote: Thought that making a forum site, would demand too much time for maintainance, and also we saw xsibase go down so, maybe a google group? F. On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Alok Gandhi alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com wrote: I think a new list is good idea. It can be even more awesome if all of us can pull our resources together and ask and share about any DCC we are using. Be it maya, houdini, max, modo, blender etc. Let's make a new list and keep doing the same thing that we have been doing over the years - Ask, Share and just be awesome ! For me personally, as a developer / td, I am ready to write tools for anything. I am still happy to answer any core math questions as it forms the basis of most of our work in any package. Let's do this in parallel to the list. Alok Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2014, at 7:14, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: You don't seem to be aware of many things these days Luc-eric :P. no... that wasn't fair of me i apologize. My point was more to the effect that we should not wait for such plans to occur. Allowing people to ease into a new routine Yes Francisco, i too think a new list would be a good option. one that represents other demographics as well would make sense Emilio, you are a true SI soldier and i share your passion, I'm not encouraging an exodus here, but instigating an initiative to safeguard the knoledge of this list, that knowledge is its members and we both know that many here will not have the choice not to transition, i'd like these people to have a place too, and i don't think a banner should be held aloft as a heavy reminder of what we have lost. it would only lead to wat ever new structure to become a mourning wall. i hope you understand (please don't hate me !) :( On 5 March 2014 01:09, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not aware of plans to shut down this list. If there were, the Google group could be used as a backup On Mar 4, 2014 7:53 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: My fellows, friends, comrades. The recent events that have befallen our community enunciate a breaking. After this nothing or very little will be the same. People will shortly be departing for uncertain pastures. One way or another, a long journey through the night awaits us all, and we will find new lights and some will find new apps to call home. But I think that it is important we take steps to preserve this community even if our paths seem to be at a crossing. For the knowledge and solace woven here, surely they can not take. If we are to move to a new list or to regroup around an existing resource, eg: SI-community, we should do so soon before someone comes along and shuts down this list scattering us to the winds of which not all of us may find their way back. I salute you all you are,were,and will be forever the best and fines this industry could hope for. - A statue of one of the old kings they must have hacked his head off. - But look ! [...]
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I would do it myself, but again i don't know enough of the community. Rob Chapman ? he's a sound dude, i'd say Guillaume Laforge but i don't know he would feel about that, probably sacrificed too much to SI already. Maybe Eric Moots, he'd have a vested interest, but i suspect he likes his privacy, and he is quite well to do so... On 5 March 2014 15:31, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: So, again, any old soft cowboy that may want to lead us? 2014-03-05 12:27 GMT-03:00 Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com: Yes sounds like a Google group it is, but i don't know if i am the one who should open it, i don't have enough standing with the community, i was hopping on of the veterans would acquiesce someone who has been around for a while and knows most of the people. On 5 March 2014 15:19, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: So, google group? its the only way i know for mailing list, if anyone has another idea... F. 2014-03-05 12:09 GMT-03:00 Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za: I have email alerts firing from both, pretty much at the same frequency since the announcement. -- *From:* Ognjen Vukovic [ognj...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 05 March 2014 05:05 PM *To:* softimage *Subject:* Re: Salvage the list. Did the mailing list just die down all of a sudden? Is everyone off to si-community, if so i think thats not the best solution as forums tend to dilute down the level of discussion over various boards which is not in my opinion the best thing right now. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Leonard Koch leonardkoch...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that we cannot lose this community and another mailing list to run concurrent with the SI List for the next couple years should be a good solution. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote: You do realize Google is as trigger happy with software as AD right? ;-P I would prefer something less 'corporate'. And I don't really use Google stuff too btw Rob \/-\/\/ On 5-3-2014 2:59, Francisco Criado wrote: Thought that making a forum site, would demand too much time for maintainance, and also we saw xsibase go down so, maybe a google group? F. On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Alok Gandhi alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com wrote: I think a new list is good idea. It can be even more awesome if all of us can pull our resources together and ask and share about any DCC we are using. Be it maya, houdini, max, modo, blender etc. Let's make a new list and keep doing the same thing that we have been doing over the years - Ask, Share and just be awesome ! For me personally, as a developer / td, I am ready to write tools for anything. I am still happy to answer any core math questions as it forms the basis of most of our work in any package. Let's do this in parallel to the list. Alok Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2014, at 7:14, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: You don't seem to be aware of many things these days Luc-eric :P. no... that wasn't fair of me i apologize. My point was more to the effect that we should not wait for such plans to occur. Allowing people to ease into a new routine Yes Francisco, i too think a new list would be a good option. one that represents other demographics as well would make sense Emilio, you are a true SI soldier and i share your passion, I'm not encouraging an exodus here, but instigating an initiative to safeguard the knoledge of this list, that knowledge is its members and we both know that many here will not have the choice not to transition, i'd like these people to have a place too, and i don't think a banner should be held aloft as a heavy reminder of what we have lost. it would only lead to wat ever new structure to become a mourning wall. i hope you understand (please don't hate me !) :( On 5 March 2014 01:09, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.comwrote: I'm not aware of plans to shut down this list. If there were, the Google group could be used as a backup On Mar 4, 2014 7:53 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: My fellows, friends, comrades. The recent events that have befallen our community enunciate a breaking. After this nothing or very little will be the same. People will shortly be departing for uncertain pastures. One way or another, a long journey through the night awaits us all, and we will find new lights and some will find new apps to call home. But I think that it is important we take steps to preserve this community even if our paths seem to be at a crossing. For the knowledge and solace woven here, surely they can not take. If we are to move to a new list or to regroup around an existing resource, eg: SI-community, we should do so soon before someone comes along and shuts down this list scattering us to the winds
Re: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement
If it helps, Angus, as someone who deals with interviewing and crewing/staffing people, I can tell you that for us, it is far more important to find people who understand how to seek out the best tool they can find for every job and actually put it to use, rather than people who just want to tick a box in a list of job requirements. Ticking the box is of course important for freelancers at a more senior level on short term gigs, but at the junior level, what we care about is potential, the drive to push that potential, and personality. (And outstanding artistic and/or technical abilities, of course). For example, all things being equal, a kid who walks in and can actually hold his own in a conversation with me about how to migrate his skillset from Softimage often stands a way better chance than someone who comes in and says he knows Maya. (We are mostly Maya based in LA). On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.zawrote: When we switched from maya to softimage we had an immediate improvement in what they were able to deliver. I have no regrets about that. I can understand their frustration though, the job market is hard when your starting out and they dont really have anywhere else to vent. Sparing with Luc Eric has given me a thick skin ;) Just shows how AD$K's decision has much bigger knock on effects then they realise. -- *From:* Maurício PC [goneba...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 05 March 2014 05:19 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement If your students are slamming you Angus, they are stupid. The knowledge of Softimage is easily transferable as it teach you how to think properly. I'm certain they would be less artists if they started with the Maya-hell. Oh well ... I'm almost buying this Modo 701 special offer. Damn. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 7:13 AM, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.zawrote: Great getting past students slamming our decision to teach Softimage on facebook. Not sorry for teaching the best software for DCC. However we will have to teach something else from next year ;( This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary.
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
Do they have a summary somewhere of the road map for the software? If your talking to Brad...thanks Tim! Also be nice if Autodesk gave us a roadmap for them so we're not all spinning our wheels. If MAX is dead in the next year be nice to know. Even if they were in development of some uber software...a general idea behind a release date? On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: I've contacted Brad to try to find out what the deal will be, regarding 801. I'm not privvy to the release date, so I honestly don't know when that's coming. -Tim On 3/5/2014 8:44 AM, Maurício PC wrote: I'm willing to buy it, but I don't know if I should wait for Modo 801. Because to buy this and later have to spend more 500 USD to update will put a serious hole on my wallet. Does anybody knows if this purchase will lets us upgrade to 801 with a nice discount? :D Anyway ... Brad always seemed like a great guy and this is prove of that. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.com wrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a *50% discount on Modo*purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. *Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out.* I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on Brad's side and decided to help him reach out on account of his personality and display of good will. -- Our users will know fear and cower before our software! Ship it! Ship it and let them flee like the dogs they are! -- gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx --
RE: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement
Hi Andy Thats great to know. I will definitely pass it on. We teach fundamentals and applications not menus items in software. It does help using really solid software though ;) Kind regards Angus From: Andy Jones [andy.jo...@gmail.com] Sent: 05 March 2014 05:48 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement If it helps, Angus, as someone who deals with interviewing and crewing/staffing people, I can tell you that for us, it is far more important to find people who understand how to seek out the best tool they can find for every job and actually put it to use, rather than people who just want to tick a box in a list of job requirements. Ticking the box is of course important for freelancers at a more senior level on short term gigs, but at the junior level, what we care about is potential, the drive to push that potential, and personality. (And outstanding artistic and/or technical abilities, of course). For example, all things being equal, a kid who walks in and can actually hold his own in a conversation with me about how to migrate his skillset from Softimage often stands a way better chance than someone who comes in and says he knows Maya. (We are mostly Maya based in LA). On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.zamailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za wrote: When we switched from maya to softimage we had an immediate improvement in what they were able to deliver. I have no regrets about that. I can understand their frustration though, the job market is hard when your starting out and they dont really have anywhere else to vent. Sparing with Luc Eric has given me a thick skin ;) Just shows how AD$K's decision has much bigger knock on effects then they realise. From: Maurício PC [goneba...@gmail.commailto:goneba...@gmail.com] Sent: 05 March 2014 05:19 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement If your students are slamming you Angus, they are stupid. The knowledge of Softimage is easily transferable as it teach you how to think properly. I'm certain they would be less artists if they started with the Maya-hell. Oh well ... I'm almost buying this Modo 701 special offer. Damn. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 7:13 AM, Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.zamailto:angus.david...@wits.ac.za wrote: Great getting past students slamming our decision to teach Softimage on facebook. Not sorry for teaching the best software for DCC. However we will have to teach something else from next year ;( This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. -- gonebadfx.comhttp://gonebadfx.com - your source for bad fx This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this message may not be legally binding on the University and may contain the personal views and opinions of the author, which are not necessarily the views and opinions of The University of the Witwatersrand, Johannesburg. All agreements between the University and outsiders are subject to South African Law unless the University agrees in writing to the contrary. table width=100% border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style=width:100%; tr td align=left style=text-align:justify;font face=arial,sans-serif size=1 color=#99span style=font-size:11px;This communication is intended for the addressee only. It is confidential. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately and destroy the original message. You may not copy or disseminate this communication without the permission of the University. Only authorised signatories are competent to enter into agreements on behalf of the University and recipients are thus advised that the content of this
Re: Salvage the list.
Why thanks for the compliment! :) am at work right now but if needed and not done already will set up a group later this evening On 5 Mar 2014 15:49, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: I would do it myself, but again i don't know enough of the community. Rob Chapman ? he's a sound dude, i'd say Guillaume Laforge but i don't know he would feel about that, probably sacrificed too much to SI already. Maybe Eric Moots, he'd have a vested interest, but i suspect he likes his privacy, and he is quite well to do so... On 5 March 2014 15:31, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: So, again, any old soft cowboy that may want to lead us? 2014-03-05 12:27 GMT-03:00 Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com: Yes sounds like a Google group it is, but i don't know if i am the one who should open it, i don't have enough standing with the community, i was hopping on of the veterans would acquiesce someone who has been around for a while and knows most of the people. On 5 March 2014 15:19, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: So, google group? its the only way i know for mailing list, if anyone has another idea... F. 2014-03-05 12:09 GMT-03:00 Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za: I have email alerts firing from both, pretty much at the same frequency since the announcement. -- *From:* Ognjen Vukovic [ognj...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 05 March 2014 05:05 PM *To:* softimage *Subject:* Re: Salvage the list. Did the mailing list just die down all of a sudden? Is everyone off to si-community, if so i think thats not the best solution as forums tend to dilute down the level of discussion over various boards which is not in my opinion the best thing right now. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Leonard Koch leonardkoch...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that we cannot lose this community and another mailing list to run concurrent with the SI List for the next couple years should be a good solution. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote: You do realize Google is as trigger happy with software as AD right? ;-P I would prefer something less 'corporate'. And I don't really use Google stuff too btw Rob \/-\/\/ On 5-3-2014 2:59, Francisco Criado wrote: Thought that making a forum site, would demand too much time for maintainance, and also we saw xsibase go down so, maybe a google group? F. On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Alok Gandhi alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com wrote: I think a new list is good idea. It can be even more awesome if all of us can pull our resources together and ask and share about any DCC we are using. Be it maya, houdini, max, modo, blender etc. Let's make a new list and keep doing the same thing that we have been doing over the years - Ask, Share and just be awesome ! For me personally, as a developer / td, I am ready to write tools for anything. I am still happy to answer any core math questions as it forms the basis of most of our work in any package. Let's do this in parallel to the list. Alok Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2014, at 7:14, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: You don't seem to be aware of many things these days Luc-eric :P. no... that wasn't fair of me i apologize. My point was more to the effect that we should not wait for such plans to occur. Allowing people to ease into a new routine Yes Francisco, i too think a new list would be a good option. one that represents other demographics as well would make sense Emilio, you are a true SI soldier and i share your passion, I'm not encouraging an exodus here, but instigating an initiative to safeguard the knoledge of this list, that knowledge is its members and we both know that many here will not have the choice not to transition, i'd like these people to have a place too, and i don't think a banner should be held aloft as a heavy reminder of what we have lost. it would only lead to wat ever new structure to become a mourning wall. i hope you understand (please don't hate me !) :( On 5 March 2014 01:09, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.comwrote: I'm not aware of plans to shut down this list. If there were, the Google group could be used as a backup On Mar 4, 2014 7:53 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: My fellows, friends, comrades. The recent events that have befallen our community enunciate a breaking. After this nothing or very little will be the same. People will shortly be departing for uncertain pastures. One way or another, a long journey through the night awaits us all, and we will find new lights and some will find new apps to call home. But I think that it is important we take steps to preserve this community even if our paths seem to be at a crossing. For the knowledge and solace woven here, surely they
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
when was AD giving any roadmap at all??? committing you to pay subs without knowing at all what will you get next year. cat in the back. well we did know what they have on road map for SI.. end of the road... On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.com wrote: Do they have a summary somewhere of the road map for the software? If your talking to Brad...thanks Tim! Also be nice if Autodesk gave us a roadmap for them so we're not all spinning our wheels. If MAX is dead in the next year be nice to know. Even if they were in development of some uber software...a general idea behind a release date? On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: I've contacted Brad to try to find out what the deal will be, regarding 801. I'm not privvy to the release date, so I honestly don't know when that's coming. -Tim On 3/5/2014 8:44 AM, Maurício PC wrote: I'm willing to buy it, but I don't know if I should wait for Modo 801. Because to buy this and later have to spend more 500 USD to update will put a serious hole on my wallet. Does anybody knows if this purchase will lets us upgrade to 801 with a nice discount? :D Anyway ... Brad always seemed like a great guy and this is prove of that. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.com wrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a *50% discount on Modo*purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. *Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out.* I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out of this. I'm not a modo user, I'm not getting freebies, it has nothing to do with my employer, what the hell, it barely has anything to do with me outside the last few hours and this e-mail itself. I simply thought it was a nice and significant gesture on
Re: Salvage the list.
As this is potentially quite an important thing we are talking about here, can we please not rush this or end up with 10 different initiatives... Polling each decision seems to me to be the best way to approach this from the outset. DAN On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Rob Chapman tekano@gmail.com wrote: Why thanks for the compliment! :) am at work right now but if needed and not done already will set up a group later this evening On 5 Mar 2014 15:49, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: I would do it myself, but again i don't know enough of the community. Rob Chapman ? he's a sound dude, i'd say Guillaume Laforge but i don't know he would feel about that, probably sacrificed too much to SI already. Maybe Eric Moots, he'd have a vested interest, but i suspect he likes his privacy, and he is quite well to do so... On 5 March 2014 15:31, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: So, again, any old soft cowboy that may want to lead us? 2014-03-05 12:27 GMT-03:00 Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com: Yes sounds like a Google group it is, but i don't know if i am the one who should open it, i don't have enough standing with the community, i was hopping on of the veterans would acquiesce someone who has been around for a while and knows most of the people. On 5 March 2014 15:19, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: So, google group? its the only way i know for mailing list, if anyone has another idea... F. 2014-03-05 12:09 GMT-03:00 Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za: I have email alerts firing from both, pretty much at the same frequency since the announcement. -- *From:* Ognjen Vukovic [ognj...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 05 March 2014 05:05 PM *To:* softimage *Subject:* Re: Salvage the list. Did the mailing list just die down all of a sudden? Is everyone off to si-community, if so i think thats not the best solution as forums tend to dilute down the level of discussion over various boards which is not in my opinion the best thing right now. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Leonard Koch leonardkoch...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that we cannot lose this community and another mailing list to run concurrent with the SI List for the next couple years should be a good solution. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nlwrote: You do realize Google is as trigger happy with software as AD right? ;-P I would prefer something less 'corporate'. And I don't really use Google stuff too btw Rob \/-\/\/ On 5-3-2014 2:59, Francisco Criado wrote: Thought that making a forum site, would demand too much time for maintainance, and also we saw xsibase go down so, maybe a google group? F. On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Alok Gandhi alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com wrote: I think a new list is good idea. It can be even more awesome if all of us can pull our resources together and ask and share about any DCC we are using. Be it maya, houdini, max, modo, blender etc. Let's make a new list and keep doing the same thing that we have been doing over the years - Ask, Share and just be awesome ! For me personally, as a developer / td, I am ready to write tools for anything. I am still happy to answer any core math questions as it forms the basis of most of our work in any package. Let's do this in parallel to the list. Alok Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2014, at 7:14, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: You don't seem to be aware of many things these days Luc-eric :P. no... that wasn't fair of me i apologize. My point was more to the effect that we should not wait for such plans to occur. Allowing people to ease into a new routine Yes Francisco, i too think a new list would be a good option. one that represents other demographics as well would make sense Emilio, you are a true SI soldier and i share your passion, I'm not encouraging an exodus here, but instigating an initiative to safeguard the knoledge of this list, that knowledge is its members and we both know that many here will not have the choice not to transition, i'd like these people to have a place too, and i don't think a banner should be held aloft as a heavy reminder of what we have lost. it would only lead to wat ever new structure to become a mourning wall. i hope you understand (please don't hate me !) :( On 5 March 2014 01:09, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.comwrote: I'm not aware of plans to shut down this list. If there were, the Google group could be used as a backup On Mar 4, 2014 7:53 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: My fellows, friends, comrades. The recent events that have befallen our community enunciate a breaking. After this nothing or very little will be the same. People will shortly be departing for uncertain pastures. One
Re: Salvage the list.
You are always upbeat Rob it's an endearing quality, i don't think i've ever seen you in a fight on the list ;) this is all starting to look like that British political satire the thick of it :P On 5 March 2014 15:57, Rob Chapman tekano@gmail.com wrote: Why thanks for the compliment! :) am at work right now but if needed and not done already will set up a group later this evening On 5 Mar 2014 15:49, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: I would do it myself, but again i don't know enough of the community. Rob Chapman ? he's a sound dude, i'd say Guillaume Laforge but i don't know he would feel about that, probably sacrificed too much to SI already. Maybe Eric Moots, he'd have a vested interest, but i suspect he likes his privacy, and he is quite well to do so... On 5 March 2014 15:31, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: So, again, any old soft cowboy that may want to lead us? 2014-03-05 12:27 GMT-03:00 Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com: Yes sounds like a Google group it is, but i don't know if i am the one who should open it, i don't have enough standing with the community, i was hopping on of the veterans would acquiesce someone who has been around for a while and knows most of the people. On 5 March 2014 15:19, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: So, google group? its the only way i know for mailing list, if anyone has another idea... F. 2014-03-05 12:09 GMT-03:00 Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za: I have email alerts firing from both, pretty much at the same frequency since the announcement. -- *From:* Ognjen Vukovic [ognj...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 05 March 2014 05:05 PM *To:* softimage *Subject:* Re: Salvage the list. Did the mailing list just die down all of a sudden? Is everyone off to si-community, if so i think thats not the best solution as forums tend to dilute down the level of discussion over various boards which is not in my opinion the best thing right now. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Leonard Koch leonardkoch...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that we cannot lose this community and another mailing list to run concurrent with the SI List for the next couple years should be a good solution. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nlwrote: You do realize Google is as trigger happy with software as AD right? ;-P I would prefer something less 'corporate'. And I don't really use Google stuff too btw Rob \/-\/\/ On 5-3-2014 2:59, Francisco Criado wrote: Thought that making a forum site, would demand too much time for maintainance, and also we saw xsibase go down so, maybe a google group? F. On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Alok Gandhi alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com wrote: I think a new list is good idea. It can be even more awesome if all of us can pull our resources together and ask and share about any DCC we are using. Be it maya, houdini, max, modo, blender etc. Let's make a new list and keep doing the same thing that we have been doing over the years - Ask, Share and just be awesome ! For me personally, as a developer / td, I am ready to write tools for anything. I am still happy to answer any core math questions as it forms the basis of most of our work in any package. Let's do this in parallel to the list. Alok Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2014, at 7:14, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: You don't seem to be aware of many things these days Luc-eric :P. no... that wasn't fair of me i apologize. My point was more to the effect that we should not wait for such plans to occur. Allowing people to ease into a new routine Yes Francisco, i too think a new list would be a good option. one that represents other demographics as well would make sense Emilio, you are a true SI soldier and i share your passion, I'm not encouraging an exodus here, but instigating an initiative to safeguard the knoledge of this list, that knowledge is its members and we both know that many here will not have the choice not to transition, i'd like these people to have a place too, and i don't think a banner should be held aloft as a heavy reminder of what we have lost. it would only lead to wat ever new structure to become a mourning wall. i hope you understand (please don't hate me !) :( On 5 March 2014 01:09, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.comwrote: I'm not aware of plans to shut down this list. If there were, the Google group could be used as a backup On Mar 4, 2014 7:53 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: My fellows, friends, comrades. The recent events that have befallen our community enunciate a breaking. After this nothing or very little will be the same. People will shortly be departing for uncertain pastures. One way or another, a long journey through the night
Re: Salvage the list.
Agree with you Dan. 2014-03-05 13:04 GMT-03:00 Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com : You are always upbeat Rob it's an endearing quality, i don't think i've ever seen you in a fight on the list ;) this is all starting to look like that British political satire the thick of it :P On 5 March 2014 15:57, Rob Chapman tekano@gmail.com wrote: Why thanks for the compliment! :) am at work right now but if needed and not done already will set up a group later this evening On 5 Mar 2014 15:49, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: I would do it myself, but again i don't know enough of the community. Rob Chapman ? he's a sound dude, i'd say Guillaume Laforge but i don't know he would feel about that, probably sacrificed too much to SI already. Maybe Eric Moots, he'd have a vested interest, but i suspect he likes his privacy, and he is quite well to do so... On 5 March 2014 15:31, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: So, again, any old soft cowboy that may want to lead us? 2014-03-05 12:27 GMT-03:00 Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com: Yes sounds like a Google group it is, but i don't know if i am the one who should open it, i don't have enough standing with the community, i was hopping on of the veterans would acquiesce someone who has been around for a while and knows most of the people. On 5 March 2014 15:19, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: So, google group? its the only way i know for mailing list, if anyone has another idea... F. 2014-03-05 12:09 GMT-03:00 Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za : I have email alerts firing from both, pretty much at the same frequency since the announcement. -- *From:* Ognjen Vukovic [ognj...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 05 March 2014 05:05 PM *To:* softimage *Subject:* Re: Salvage the list. Did the mailing list just die down all of a sudden? Is everyone off to si-community, if so i think thats not the best solution as forums tend to dilute down the level of discussion over various boards which is not in my opinion the best thing right now. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Leonard Koch leonardkoch...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that we cannot lose this community and another mailing list to run concurrent with the SI List for the next couple years should be a good solution. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nlwrote: You do realize Google is as trigger happy with software as AD right? ;-P I would prefer something less 'corporate'. And I don't really use Google stuff too btw Rob \/-\/\/ On 5-3-2014 2:59, Francisco Criado wrote: Thought that making a forum site, would demand too much time for maintainance, and also we saw xsibase go down so, maybe a google group? F. On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Alok Gandhi alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com wrote: I think a new list is good idea. It can be even more awesome if all of us can pull our resources together and ask and share about any DCC we are using. Be it maya, houdini, max, modo, blender etc. Let's make a new list and keep doing the same thing that we have been doing over the years - Ask, Share and just be awesome ! For me personally, as a developer / td, I am ready to write tools for anything. I am still happy to answer any core math questions as it forms the basis of most of our work in any package. Let's do this in parallel to the list. Alok Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2014, at 7:14, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: You don't seem to be aware of many things these days Luc-eric :P. no... that wasn't fair of me i apologize. My point was more to the effect that we should not wait for such plans to occur. Allowing people to ease into a new routine Yes Francisco, i too think a new list would be a good option. one that represents other demographics as well would make sense Emilio, you are a true SI soldier and i share your passion, I'm not encouraging an exodus here, but instigating an initiative to safeguard the knoledge of this list, that knowledge is its members and we both know that many here will not have the choice not to transition, i'd like these people to have a place too, and i don't think a banner should be held aloft as a heavy reminder of what we have lost. it would only lead to wat ever new structure to become a mourning wall. i hope you understand (please don't hate me !) :( On 5 March 2014 01:09, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.comwrote: I'm not aware of plans to shut down this list. If there were, the Google group could be used as a backup On Mar 4, 2014 7:53 PM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: My fellows, friends, comrades. The recent events that have befallen our community enunciate a breaking. After this nothing or very little will be the same.
Re: Salvage the list.
Nothing in stone yet Dan, but we do need to talk about this, yes polling seems perfectly reasonable. I also agree with Francisco, we should find a good name for this thing if it is to endure. On 5 March 2014 16:01, Dan Yargici danyarg...@gmail.com wrote: As this is potentially quite an important thing we are talking about here, can we please not rush this or end up with 10 different initiatives... Polling each decision seems to me to be the best way to approach this from the outset. DAN On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Rob Chapman tekano@gmail.com wrote: Why thanks for the compliment! :) am at work right now but if needed and not done already will set up a group later this evening On 5 Mar 2014 15:49, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: I would do it myself, but again i don't know enough of the community. Rob Chapman ? he's a sound dude, i'd say Guillaume Laforge but i don't know he would feel about that, probably sacrificed too much to SI already. Maybe Eric Moots, he'd have a vested interest, but i suspect he likes his privacy, and he is quite well to do so... On 5 March 2014 15:31, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: So, again, any old soft cowboy that may want to lead us? 2014-03-05 12:27 GMT-03:00 Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com: Yes sounds like a Google group it is, but i don't know if i am the one who should open it, i don't have enough standing with the community, i was hopping on of the veterans would acquiesce someone who has been around for a while and knows most of the people. On 5 March 2014 15:19, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: So, google group? its the only way i know for mailing list, if anyone has another idea... F. 2014-03-05 12:09 GMT-03:00 Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za : I have email alerts firing from both, pretty much at the same frequency since the announcement. -- *From:* Ognjen Vukovic [ognj...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 05 March 2014 05:05 PM *To:* softimage *Subject:* Re: Salvage the list. Did the mailing list just die down all of a sudden? Is everyone off to si-community, if so i think thats not the best solution as forums tend to dilute down the level of discussion over various boards which is not in my opinion the best thing right now. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Leonard Koch leonardkoch...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that we cannot lose this community and another mailing list to run concurrent with the SI List for the next couple years should be a good solution. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nlwrote: You do realize Google is as trigger happy with software as AD right? ;-P I would prefer something less 'corporate'. And I don't really use Google stuff too btw Rob \/-\/\/ On 5-3-2014 2:59, Francisco Criado wrote: Thought that making a forum site, would demand too much time for maintainance, and also we saw xsibase go down so, maybe a google group? F. On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Alok Gandhi alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com wrote: I think a new list is good idea. It can be even more awesome if all of us can pull our resources together and ask and share about any DCC we are using. Be it maya, houdini, max, modo, blender etc. Let's make a new list and keep doing the same thing that we have been doing over the years - Ask, Share and just be awesome ! For me personally, as a developer / td, I am ready to write tools for anything. I am still happy to answer any core math questions as it forms the basis of most of our work in any package. Let's do this in parallel to the list. Alok Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2014, at 7:14, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: You don't seem to be aware of many things these days Luc-eric :P. no... that wasn't fair of me i apologize. My point was more to the effect that we should not wait for such plans to occur. Allowing people to ease into a new routine Yes Francisco, i too think a new list would be a good option. one that represents other demographics as well would make sense Emilio, you are a true SI soldier and i share your passion, I'm not encouraging an exodus here, but instigating an initiative to safeguard the knoledge of this list, that knowledge is its members and we both know that many here will not have the choice not to transition, i'd like these people to have a place too, and i don't think a banner should be held aloft as a heavy reminder of what we have lost. it would only lead to wat ever new structure to become a mourning wall. i hope you understand (please don't hate me !) :( On 5 March 2014 01:09, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.comwrote: I'm not aware of plans to shut down this list. If there were, the Google group could be used as a backup On Mar 4, 2014 7:53 PM, Sebastien
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indeed, with everyone running around like headless chickens, it's perfect 'divide and conquer' from AD a _ From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yargici Sent: 05 March 2014 16:01 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Salvage the list. As this is potentially quite an important thing we are talking about here, can we please not rush this or end up with 10 different initiatives... Polling each decision seems to me to be the best way to approach this from the outset. DAN On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 5:57 PM, Rob Chapman tekano@gmail.com wrote: Why thanks for the compliment! :) am at work right now but if needed and not done already will set up a group later this evening On 5 Mar 2014 15:49, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: I would do it myself, but again i don't know enough of the community. Rob Chapman ? he's a sound dude, i'd say Guillaume Laforge but i don't know he would feel about that, probably sacrificed too much to SI already. Maybe Eric Moots, he'd have a vested interest, but i suspect he likes his privacy, and he is quite well to do so... On 5 March 2014 15:31, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: So, again, any old soft cowboy that may want to lead us? 2014-03-05 12:27 GMT-03:00 Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com: Yes sounds like a Google group it is, but i don't know if i am the one who should open it, i don't have enough standing with the community, i was hopping on of the veterans would acquiesce someone who has been around for a while and knows most of the people. On 5 March 2014 15:19, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: So, google group? its the only way i know for mailing list, if anyone has another idea... F. 2014-03-05 12:09 GMT-03:00 Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za: I have email alerts firing from both, pretty much at the same frequency since the announcement. _ From: Ognjen Vukovic [ognj...@gmail.com] Sent: 05 March 2014 05:05 PM To: softimage Subject: Re: Salvage the list. Did the mailing list just die down all of a sudden? Is everyone off to si-community, if so i think thats not the best solution as forums tend to dilute down the level of discussion over various boards which is not in my opinion the best thing right now. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Leonard Koch leonardkoch...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that we cannot lose this community and another mailing list to run concurrent with the SI List for the next couple years should be a good solution. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nl wrote: You do realize Google is as trigger happy with software as AD right? ;-P I would prefer something less 'corporate'. And I don't really use Google stuff too btw Rob \/-\/\/ On 5-3-2014 2:59, Francisco Criado wrote: Thought that making a forum site, would demand too much time for maintainance, and also we saw xsibase go down so, maybe a google group? F. On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Alok Gandhi alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com wrote: I think a new list is good idea. It can be even more awesome if all of us can pull our resources together and ask and share about any DCC we are using. Be it maya, houdini, max, modo, blender etc. Let's make a new list and keep doing the same thing that we have been doing over the years - Ask, Share and just be awesome ! For me personally, as a developer / td, I am ready to write tools for anything. I am still happy to answer any core math questions as it forms the basis of most of our work in any package. Let's do this in parallel to the list. Alok Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2014, at 7:14, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: You don't seem to be aware of many things these days Luc-eric :P. no... that wasn't fair of me i apologize. My point was more to the effect that we should not wait for such plans to occur. Allowing people to ease into a new routine Yes Francisco, i too think a new list would be a good option. one that represents other demographics as well would make sense Emilio, you are a true SI soldier and i share your passion, I'm not encouraging an exodus here, but instigating an initiative to safeguard the knoledge of this list, that knowledge is its members and we both know that many here will not have the choice not to transition, i'd like these people to have a place too, and i don't think a banner should be held aloft as a heavy reminder of what we have lost. it would only lead to wat ever new structure to become a mourning wall. i hope you understand (please don't hate me !) :( On 5 March 2014 01:09, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not aware of plans to shut down this list. If there were, the Google group could be used as a backup On Mar 4, 2014 7:53 PM, Sebastien Sterling
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
I knowit was a question to know one and wishful thinking as most companies don't divulge this information until a siggraph and the actual release of something. Unfortunate... On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.comwrote: when was AD giving any roadmap at all??? committing you to pay subs without knowing at all what will you get next year. cat in the back. well we did know what they have on road map for SI.. end of the road... On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.com wrote: Do they have a summary somewhere of the road map for the software? If your talking to Brad...thanks Tim! Also be nice if Autodesk gave us a roadmap for them so we're not all spinning our wheels. If MAX is dead in the next year be nice to know. Even if they were in development of some uber software...a general idea behind a release date? On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: I've contacted Brad to try to find out what the deal will be, regarding 801. I'm not privvy to the release date, so I honestly don't know when that's coming. -Tim On 3/5/2014 8:44 AM, Maurício PC wrote: I'm willing to buy it, but I don't know if I should wait for Modo 801. Because to buy this and later have to spend more 500 USD to update will put a serious hole on my wallet. Does anybody knows if this purchase will lets us upgrade to 801 with a nice discount? :D Anyway ... Brad always seemed like a great guy and this is prove of that. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.com wrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a *50% discount on Modo*purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. *Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out.* I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend that respect to its Luxology arm. At the very least they are willing to act transparently and unconditionally on matters all the way from the top of the product chain. Cheers, Raff P.S. The actual coupon's text was Brad's idea, not mine! I imagine he read my signature and thought I was a Trekkie or something like that. P.P.S. I'm not getting anything out
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
A lot of these videos are either OLD or slightly on the marketing edge and they are not ordered, but many are still relevant and worth watching and all free. It's a bit like the VAST training or discs that use to come with XSI in the shoe box so many are very basic, and a few are slightly more enlightening: Those videos (and a few more) are sorted nicely here: http://eglomot.marc-albrecht.de/ Link to Foundry site version (less ordered) http://eglomot.marc-albrecht.de/ I can't speak for the MODO team really, but if I had to say what the roadmap was/is, it was to first get the basics in MODO in some form, then the focus was to be scalability, extensibility (SDK improvement etc.), performance on larger scenes and data sets, and stability (and obviously refinement of features already existing). I have a good feeling that 801 and on are going to be more and more focused on these latter parts as the main features are mostly fleshed out already. For a long while it seemed they talked about future plans to expand the role of the software, but IMHO, it didn't start to become how obvious they meant it until the 601-701 cycle. At least a lot of the basic guts are in a node based form of some kind or another- and more sandbox like than some. The schematic is an on going WIP, much of it is good and thought out, and it's the right template moving forward, but it needs feedback from a larger pool of users IMHO. Seriously, if even you only test it out for 15 days, your feedback as to what you like/want/need/hate is invaluable- so please let it be known on the forum or even here. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 7:49 AM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.com wrote: Do they have a summary somewhere of the road map for the software? If your talking to Brad...thanks Tim! Also be nice if Autodesk gave us a roadmap for them so we're not all spinning our wheels. If MAX is dead in the next year be nice to know. Even if they were in development of some uber software...a general idea behind a release date? On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: I've contacted Brad to try to find out what the deal will be, regarding 801. I'm not privvy to the release date, so I honestly don't know when that's coming. -Tim On 3/5/2014 8:44 AM, Maurício PC wrote: I'm willing to buy it, but I don't know if I should wait for Modo 801. Because to buy this and later have to spend more 500 USD to update will put a serious hole on my wallet. Does anybody knows if this purchase will lets us upgrade to 801 with a nice discount? :D Anyway ... Brad always seemed like a great guy and this is prove of that. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.com wrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad
Re: Salvage the list.
Guys we need to truly organize if we want this to work. We are starting to run in many directions llike headless chickens. Social strategy does not work like this. Count me in. I am willing to put time and money. But lets get organized. Some of us are posting in other subject. Lets concatenate this. El mar 5, 2014 10:04 AM, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com escribió: You are always upbeat Rob it's an endearing quality, i don't think i've ever seen you in a fight on the list ;) this is all starting to look like that British political satire the thick of it :P On 5 March 2014 15:57, Rob Chapman tekano@gmail.com wrote: Why thanks for the compliment! :) am at work right now but if needed and not done already will set up a group later this evening On 5 Mar 2014 15:49, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: I would do it myself, but again i don't know enough of the community. Rob Chapman ? he's a sound dude, i'd say Guillaume Laforge but i don't know he would feel about that, probably sacrificed too much to SI already. Maybe Eric Moots, he'd have a vested interest, but i suspect he likes his privacy, and he is quite well to do so... On 5 March 2014 15:31, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: So, again, any old soft cowboy that may want to lead us? 2014-03-05 12:27 GMT-03:00 Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com: Yes sounds like a Google group it is, but i don't know if i am the one who should open it, i don't have enough standing with the community, i was hopping on of the veterans would acquiesce someone who has been around for a while and knows most of the people. On 5 March 2014 15:19, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: So, google group? its the only way i know for mailing list, if anyone has another idea... F. 2014-03-05 12:09 GMT-03:00 Angus Davidson angus.david...@wits.ac.za : I have email alerts firing from both, pretty much at the same frequency since the announcement. -- *From:* Ognjen Vukovic [ognj...@gmail.com] *Sent:* 05 March 2014 05:05 PM *To:* softimage *Subject:* Re: Salvage the list. Did the mailing list just die down all of a sudden? Is everyone off to si-community, if so i think thats not the best solution as forums tend to dilute down the level of discussion over various boards which is not in my opinion the best thing right now. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 12:04 PM, Leonard Koch leonardkoch...@gmail.com wrote: I agree that we cannot lose this community and another mailing list to run concurrent with the SI List for the next couple years should be a good solution. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:15 AM, Rob Wuijster r...@casema.nlwrote: You do realize Google is as trigger happy with software as AD right? ;-P I would prefer something less 'corporate'. And I don't really use Google stuff too btw Rob \/-\/\/ On 5-3-2014 2:59, Francisco Criado wrote: Thought that making a forum site, would demand too much time for maintainance, and also we saw xsibase go down so, maybe a google group? F. On Tuesday, March 4, 2014, Alok Gandhi alok.gandhi2...@gmail.com wrote: I think a new list is good idea. It can be even more awesome if all of us can pull our resources together and ask and share about any DCC we are using. Be it maya, houdini, max, modo, blender etc. Let's make a new list and keep doing the same thing that we have been doing over the years - Ask, Share and just be awesome ! For me personally, as a developer / td, I am ready to write tools for anything. I am still happy to answer any core math questions as it forms the basis of most of our work in any package. Let's do this in parallel to the list. Alok Sent from my iPhone On Mar 5, 2014, at 7:14, Sebastien Sterling sebastien.sterl...@gmail.com wrote: You don't seem to be aware of many things these days Luc-eric :P. no... that wasn't fair of me i apologize. My point was more to the effect that we should not wait for such plans to occur. Allowing people to ease into a new routine Yes Francisco, i too think a new list would be a good option. one that represents other demographics as well would make sense Emilio, you are a true SI soldier and i share your passion, I'm not encouraging an exodus here, but instigating an initiative to safeguard the knoledge of this list, that knowledge is its members and we both know that many here will not have the choice not to transition, i'd like these people to have a place too, and i don't think a banner should be held aloft as a heavy reminder of what we have lost. it would only lead to wat ever new structure to become a mourning wall. i hope you understand (please don't hate me !) :( On 5 March 2014 01:09, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.comwrote: I'm not aware of plans to shut down this list. If there were, the
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
Keep in mind that while companies don't like to divulge things until near or know for release, companies that are not traded openly on the stock markets are a little more free with their info (good or bad). One good reason to take a look at the Foundry and SideFXs products AFAIK. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 8:08 AM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.com wrote: I knowit was a question to know one and wishful thinking as most companies don't divulge this information until a siggraph and the actual release of something. Unfortunate... On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:00 AM, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com wrote: when was AD giving any roadmap at all??? committing you to pay subs without knowing at all what will you get next year. cat in the back. well we did know what they have on road map for SI.. end of the road... On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.com wrote: Do they have a summary somewhere of the road map for the software? If your talking to Brad...thanks Tim! Also be nice if Autodesk gave us a roadmap for them so we're not all spinning our wheels. If MAX is dead in the next year be nice to know. Even if they were in development of some uber software...a general idea behind a release date? On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: I've contacted Brad to try to find out what the deal will be, regarding 801. I'm not privvy to the release date, so I honestly don't know when that's coming. -Tim On 3/5/2014 8:44 AM, Maurício PC wrote: I'm willing to buy it, but I don't know if I should wait for Modo 801. Because to buy this and later have to spend more 500 USD to update will put a serious hole on my wallet. Does anybody knows if this purchase will lets us upgrade to 801 with a nice discount? :D Anyway ... Brad always seemed like a great guy and this is prove of that. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.comwrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some hard dates on its effects. Of everything I heard and read insofar it's not so much the killing of Soft I find unacceptable (I guess I was well resigned in those regards, not that it doesn't sadden me enormously), as much as what picture it paints of AD customer management when they do such a thing, and proceed to aggravate the issue with nebulous information and an unacceptably short window of time for the user base to make some rather consequential decisions. But are the competitors any better? Any more accessible and transparent in their communication and dealings? Well, I was having an exchange in private with Brad Peebler, founder of Luxology, and I put to him whether the Foundry/Luxology would have the flexibility and agility to do something about short term. Turns out they do. In a few hours they set up everything for a *50% discount on Modo*purchases. No strings attached, just because I jokingly challenged him to. *Go to the online store and use the coupon raffofkahn for half price check-out.* I'm not a Modo user, nor have the time or inclination right now to become one. I'm not going to suddenly wish AD any ill or stop using their products, though they sure did their damnest to make me even more guarded when dealing with their PR and promises. I did really enjoy dealing with the Foundry in the past though, and I have now to extend
Re: Salvage the list.
Naming it shouldn’t pose too much of a problem: simply recall it the XSI-mailing list as opposed to Autodeskian Softimage one Leendert Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
Re: Salvage the list.
Xsi orphans Em quarta-feira, 5 de março de 2014, Leendert A. Hartog leender...@planet.nl escreveu: Naming it shouldn't pose too much of a problem: simply recall it the XSI-mailing list as opposed to Autodeskian Softimage one Leendert Leendert A. Hartog - Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue - Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com -- Gustavo E Boehs Dpto. de Expressão Gráfica | Universidade Federal de Santa Catarina | http://www.gustavoeb.com.br/
Re: Save Softimage Petition
I´m tweeting with the hashtag #savesoftimage Also on facebook. On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 10:22 AM, Ana Gomez agomezalca...@gmail.com wrote: done On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:20 PM, Edy Susanto Lim edysusant...@gmail.com wrote: done On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Martin Yara furik...@gmail.com wrote: It's been tweeted and RT already. Martin On Thu, Mar 6, 2014 at 12:10 AM, javier gonzalez javi09warr...@gmail.com wrote: Can anyone pass the info to japan fellows... -- Edy Susanto Lim TD http://sawamura.neorack.com
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
Concerning a Modo roadmap, I couldn't share any specifics even if I had them (I don't anyway). I know generally that performance and scalability are way high up on the priority list. If they're not exactly #1, they've gotta be close to it. I think they really do realize the serious obstacles presented by Modo's current trouble with deformer speed, weight-painting speed, etc. The viewport can actually handle a ton of polys really well, by most accounts superior to what Maya can do, but deformers seem to give the GL redraw some trouble. This is a known issue for sure, and the Modo devs are well aware of it. I have definitely been encouraged by the last two releases of Modo. 601 and 701 really hit some home runs. You can't put everything that everyone wants into a single release, but they've got a great track record, especially over the last 2-3 years, of making some real power plays with their upgrades. It's all relative to what your needs are in your particular corner of CG, naturally, but it's an upward trend, and one which will continue with 801 ;-) Softimage and Modo have been two favorite apps to run on my workstation over the last several years, hands down. I see some interesting similarities when I compare the philosophies that drove their respective designs. If we could get Redshift in Modo oh man -Tim On 3/5/2014 10:00 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: when was AD giving any roadmap at all??? committing you to pay subs without knowing at all what will you get next year. cat in the back. well we did know what they have on road map for SI.. end of the road... On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.com mailto:chr...@topixfx.com wrote: Do they have a summary somewhere of the road map for the software? If your talking to Brad...thanks Tim! Also be nice if Autodesk gave us a roadmap for them so we're not all spinning our wheels. If MAX is dead in the next year be nice to know. Even if they were in development of some uber software...a general idea behind a release date? On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com mailto:tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: I've contacted Brad to try to find out what the deal will be, regarding 801. I'm not privvy to the release date, so I honestly don't know when that's coming. -Tim On 3/5/2014 8:44 AM, Maurício PC wrote: I'm willing to buy it, but I don't know if I should wait for Modo 801. Because to buy this and later have to spend more 500 USD to update will put a serious hole on my wallet. Does anybody knows if this purchase will lets us upgrade to 801 with a nice discount? :D Anyway ... Brad always seemed like a great guy and this is prove of that. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.com mailto:nagv...@gmail.com wrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was managed and conceived. Not only it's an incredibly ponderous decision with inevitable gravity, it was also announced with barely any time to spare between its intended date and some
Re: Save Softimage on Facebook and Reddit
Hey... parts of this will hopefully be covered by www.3dwillneverbethesame.com...we can of course change the name later on in something more positive ;)..why not People are starting to send stuff in right and I invite everyone to participate... It might alsoget a place for a user database and a place for discussion about the future...and maybe joining forces of users and studiosetc. What do you think? Thanks ;) cheers, oli Am 05.03.2014 16:44, schrieb Emilio Hernandez: That is exactly why I believe it is a good idea. But again, we need text on it. So people will know by seeing it what is all about. People that are in the industry will immediatly know. People that don't by curiosity will google Softimage and then, they will know. Now that we are talking seriously here and after all yesterday's passion. The social strategy campaign must containt the following in order to drive the media attention. That is what we need. 1. Web site/blog (open to ideas on the domain name. I will put the money for it.) 2. Video recording of ourselves to show our position after ADSK announcement next week. (Sorry but we need to be on Youtube this days, or if someone else has a better idea). 3. Signed petition to sell Softimage to other company that really cares about us, after ADKS announcement next week. Or something like that. (Done by the petition already there and the FB page) 4. Show what is the work that it has been made with Softimage. (Not only big films and features but our work as well) 5. Do video comparisons of the Softimage vs Maya workflow unbiased as the one you already watched. 6. Put the XSI icon in our profiles, Google, FB, Twitter, etc. (We are on it.) This is the deal guys if we want to drive true attention. Other isolated attempts will be vane. For this to happen and to make something happen we really need commitment. I am willing to dedicate to it, my time and money. I am ready to fight against all odds. Maybe nothing will happen, maybe it will. Things this days are different from the old days. And if we raise awarness at the right spot. You'll never know. But we will never know if we don't try. I am willing to go for it and not to just stand back.. And most important we need some other place to organize us rather than this list.. Maybe another dedicated list would be better. --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation.
shrinking strands
quick question (work goes on even after yesterday) i have a particle system firing points that have strands trailing after them, they stick to a surface on collision i have a state machine which, for starters, won't let me use IsStuck as a trigger, i can work around this, but it's bloody annoying the problem is that once the particle enters state 1, IE is stuck on the floor, i want the strand trail to shrink over time i have tried starting a timer on enter state 1, then grabbing values from the timer and subtracting them from .strandlength, but it only shrinks on the first frame, even though this is plugged into execute on every frame i can post a scene i f someone fancies having a look, or if anyone knows how to plot rocket trajectories and have them fade on impact, i'm all ears! thanks Adrian Wyer Fluid Pictures 75-77 Margaret St. London W1W 8SY ++44(0) 207 580 0829 adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com blocked::blocked::blocked::blocked::mailto:adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com www.fluid-pictures.com blocked::blocked::blocked::blocked::http://www.fluid-pictures.com/ Fluid Pictures Limited is registered in England and Wales. Company number:5657815 VAT number: 872 6893 71
RE: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement
Indeed. This decision does make one wonder if this will be a CUBICOMP moment for AD ME. Trust is not something sold like a software maintenance agreement. It's earned. I started using Softimage 20 years ago this very month. In all those years not even Avid or Microsoft put the production methodology I use in such jeopardy. The work I have been doing in Soft is so heavily dependent ICE now it can't be done the same way or even transferred to Maya or Max. How am I to replace this? There is no current Autodesk equivalent to Softimage, especially in regards to ICE. I understand that softwares mature and new paradigms emerge. I've been through the whole Picturemaker-Vertigo-Picturemaker, Quantel-Express V, PowerAnimator/TAV-Maya, 3dStudio-Max, and SI3D-XSI paradigm shifts. I even suffered through the demise of Aurora, Matador, and Shake. But why isn't there an equivalent alternative to move to before Softimage is terminated? Even if I do migrate to another AD ME software, can I trust that AD won't abandon it as well? Sketchbook anyone? Can anyone at AD give me a concrete assurance that this kind of abandonment, and loss of investment, won't happen again? -- Joey Ponthieux __ Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not represent the opinions of NASA or any other party. -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jordi Bares Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 12:35 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement This is probably the worst decisions Autodesk has taken. Looking back a the Gold Lion at Cannes, VES awards, the BTAA awards over the last few years where the work done by this close knit community has been recognised I am shocked you really think you by killing Softimage you are committed to providing our customers with the most technologically advanced products and highest quality customer service possible My feeling is that you as a company have not gauged correctly how easy is to loose the trust of an entire community and how hard is going to get it back if at all possible. Good luck Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 4 Mar 2014, at 17:01, Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.com wrote: Over the past week there have been many rumors about the future of Softimage posted on various forums and social media sites. Many of you have been looking for an official confirmation or denial from Autodesk. Unfortunately, we were not in a position to respond until today as we needed to finalize all the details of our plans. But yes Softimage 2015 will be the last release of the software. I wanted to share some of those details with you: - Softimage 2015 will be the last release of the software - We will continue to support the software and develop hot fixes and service packs for two more years - If they wish to, customers on Subscription will be able to transition to Maya or 3ds Max at no cost while retaining the right to continue to use Softimage in production/ - Existing customers will be able to purchase additional seats and/or rental plans if they need to scale production Below is a copy of the letter that was sent electronically to Softimage customers today. I have copied it here as our email distribution lists not allow us to send it to those who have opted out. Because several of our partners have started posting the news early, we are responding now but please note our web sites have not had time to upload all the information yet. As early as possible but by no later than 3pm EST, we will have loaded all the information including a detailed FAQ on www.autodesk.com/softimagehttp://www.autodesk.com/softimage. In the interim I have also copied and pasted it below Within the next 15 minutes you can also visit http://area.autodesk.com/softimagetransition to register for a live QA webinar on Marc 18th at 12pm EST. as well as see the full documentation of what is new in Softimage 2015. Maurice Patel Autodesk
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
I like modo, i really do, but i just can't wrap my head around the idea of a modeling application becoming an allrounder. I think tremendous rnd effort will be required from the dev team to get it even close to where xsi is right now, taking a lot of years in the process. And i'm not sure they have those kinds of resources at their disposal. For that reason, i think sidefx has a better chance of making houdini's workflow (emphasis here on rigging and animation) a lot smoother and appealing to artists, than modo has of getting to that level of consistent complexity. And consistency across the board is key here. Then again, i might be way off with my thinking Just my 2 cents, Peace, Octav On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.comwrote: Concerning a Modo roadmap, I couldn't share any specifics even if I had them (I don't anyway). I know generally that performance and scalability are way high up on the priority list. If they're not exactly #1, they've gotta be close to it. I think they really do realize the serious obstacles presented by Modo's current trouble with deformer speed, weight-painting speed, etc. The viewport can actually handle a ton of polys really well, by most accounts superior to what Maya can do, but deformers seem to give the GL redraw some trouble. This is a known issue for sure, and the Modo devs are well aware of it. I have definitely been encouraged by the last two releases of Modo. 601 and 701 really hit some home runs. You can't put everything that everyone wants into a single release, but they've got a great track record, especially over the last 2-3 years, of making some real power plays with their upgrades. It's all relative to what your needs are in your particular corner of CG, naturally, but it's an upward trend, and one which will continue with 801 ;-) Softimage and Modo have been two favorite apps to run on my workstation over the last several years, hands down. I see some interesting similarities when I compare the philosophies that drove their respective designs. If we could get Redshift in Modo oh man -Tim On 3/5/2014 10:00 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: when was AD giving any roadmap at all??? committing you to pay subs without knowing at all what will you get next year. cat in the back. well we did know what they have on road map for SI.. end of the road... On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.com wrote: Do they have a summary somewhere of the road map for the software? If your talking to Brad...thanks Tim! Also be nice if Autodesk gave us a roadmap for them so we're not all spinning our wheels. If MAX is dead in the next year be nice to know. Even if they were in development of some uber software...a general idea behind a release date? On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: I've contacted Brad to try to find out what the deal will be, regarding 801. I'm not privvy to the release date, so I honestly don't know when that's coming. -Tim On 3/5/2014 8:44 AM, Maurício PC wrote: I'm willing to buy it, but I don't know if I should wait for Modo 801. Because to buy this and later have to spend more 500 USD to update will put a serious hole on my wallet. Does anybody knows if this purchase will lets us upgrade to 801 with a nice discount? :D Anyway ... Brad always seemed like a great guy and this is prove of that. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.com wrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell shocked, I think it's worth posting this. I'd like to say I'm surprised, or emotionally drained, but I'm actually barely upset. Writing's been on the wall for entirely too long. Deciding to not use Maya just because it's an AD product, at least for me, is like cutting one's own nose to spite the face; then in my domain (character work) Maya is too significant a player to just outright ignore it out of principle, not to mention I've been using it professionally or personally since v1. That said maybe some of you work in a different domain, and for you Modo, or Houdini, or C4D are a viable option. Coming from there, and more on topic, I have little faith in all these petitions, rage posts and the such, so I thought I'd start a different line of efforts to help a community I've been part of for Idon'twanttothinkhowlongitsscary. More on topic, if I had to find issue with this announcement and all it entails it's how badly it was
RE: shrinking strands
StrandLength is just a custom attribute that gets set by some of the stand compounds as a convenience, e.g., if you want to use it to drive something else. It doesn't actually control the strand length, it's just the sum of deltas in the StrandPosition array. If you want to make the strand shrink, you can remove the last item from the StrandPostion array instead. gray From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of adrian wyer Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 11:29 AM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: shrinking strands quick question (work goes on even after yesterday) i have a particle system firing points that have strands trailing after them, they stick to a surface on collision i have a state machine which, for starters, won't let me use IsStuck as a trigger, i can work around this, but it's bloody annoying the problem is that once the particle enters state 1, IE is stuck on the floor, i want the strand trail to shrink over time i have tried starting a timer on enter state 1, then grabbing values from the timer and subtracting them from .strandlength, but it only shrinks on the first frame, even though this is plugged into execute on every frame i can post a scene i f someone fancies having a look, or if anyone knows how to plot rocket trajectories and have them fade on impact, i'm all ears! thanks Adrian Wyer Fluid Pictures 75-77 Margaret St. London W1W 8SY ++44(0) 207 580 0829 adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.comblocked::blocked::blocked::blocked::mailto:adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com www.fluid-pictures.comblocked::blocked::blocked::blocked::http://www.fluid-pictures.com/ Fluid Pictures Limited is registered in England and Wales. Company number:5657815 VAT number: 872 6893 71 attachment: winmail.dat
Re: Save Softimage on Facebook and Reddit
I wouldn’t say its overly negative. “3d will never be the same” is sad but it’s a fact IMHO... Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com www.3dwillneverbethesame.com Leendert From: Oliver Weingarten Sent: Wednesday, March 05, 2014 5:34 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Save Softimage on Facebook and Reddit Hey... parts of this will hopefully be covered by http://www.3dwillneverbethesame.com...we/ can of course change the name later on in something more positive ;)..why not People are starting to send stuff in right and I invite everyone to participate... It might also get a place for a user database and a place for discussion about the future...and maybe joining forces of users and studios etc. What do you think? Thanks ;) cheers, oli
Re: Salvage the list.
So official posting for everyone to know (and get cached on google´s bots) are: softimage.tv, and si-community ? Or vimeo channels? Please help us so the whole planet knows. Also Twitter with official account for this list, it´s a point missing. thank you all, guys. We´re really making this hard news trhough. David R. On Wednesday, March 5, 2014 11:28 AM, Francisco Criado malcriad...@gmail.com wrote: the original idea was to make a new mailing list that will not only give home to the ones that will keep using softimage, but also the ones that will migrate to other software, and coninue sharing ideas, workflows and methods to translate softimage workarounds to other software too. So the name related to softimage wouldnt work in my opinion. F. 2014-03-05 13:16 GMT-03:00 Gustavo Eggert Boehs gustav...@gmail.com: Xsi orphans Em quarta-feira, 5 de março de 2014, Leendert A. Hartog leender...@planet.nl escreveu: Naming it shouldn’t pose too much of a problem: simply recall it the XSI-mailing list as opposed to Autodeskian Softimage one Leendert Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com -- Gustavo E Boehs Dpto. de Expressão Gráfica | Universidade Federal de Santa Catarina | http://www.gustavoeb.com.br/
Re: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement
No matter what assurances autodesk ever gives, i don't think anyone will ever believe them anymore. But then again, histories have a way of repeating themselves... Let's just hope this was the last time they managed to fool us. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES] j.ponthi...@nasa.gov wrote: Indeed. This decision does make one wonder if this will be a CUBICOMP moment for AD ME. Trust is not something sold like a software maintenance agreement. It's earned. I started using Softimage 20 years ago this very month. In all those years not even Avid or Microsoft put the production methodology I use in such jeopardy. The work I have been doing in Soft is so heavily dependent ICE now it can't be done the same way or even transferred to Maya or Max. How am I to replace this? There is no current Autodesk equivalent to Softimage, especially in regards to ICE. I understand that softwares mature and new paradigms emerge. I've been through the whole Picturemaker-Vertigo-Picturemaker, Quantel-Express V, PowerAnimator/TAV-Maya, 3dStudio-Max, and SI3D-XSI paradigm shifts. I even suffered through the demise of Aurora, Matador, and Shake. But why isn't there an equivalent alternative to move to before Softimage is terminated? Even if I do migrate to another AD ME software, can I trust that AD won't abandon it as well? Sketchbook anyone? Can anyone at AD give me a concrete assurance that this kind of abandonment, and loss of investment, won't happen again? -- Joey Ponthieux __ Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not represent the opinions of NASA or any other party. -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jordi Bares Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 12:35 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement This is probably the worst decisions Autodesk has taken. Looking back a the Gold Lion at Cannes, VES awards, the BTAA awards over the last few years where the work done by this close knit community has been recognised I am shocked you really think you by killing Softimage you are committed to providing our customers with the most technologically advanced products and highest quality customer service possible My feeling is that you as a company have not gauged correctly how easy is to loose the trust of an entire community and how hard is going to get it back if at all possible. Good luck Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 4 Mar 2014, at 17:01, Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.com wrote: Over the past week there have been many rumors about the future of Softimage posted on various forums and social media sites. Many of you have been looking for an official confirmation or denial from Autodesk. Unfortunately, we were not in a position to respond until today as we needed to finalize all the details of our plans. But yes Softimage 2015 will be the last release of the software. I wanted to share some of those details with you: - Softimage 2015 will be the last release of the software - We will continue to support the software and develop hot fixes and service packs for two more years - If they wish to, customers on Subscription will be able to transition to Maya or 3ds Max at no cost while retaining the right to continue to use Softimage in production/ - Existing customers will be able to purchase additional seats and/or rental plans if they need to scale production Below is a copy of the letter that was sent electronically to Softimage customers today. I have copied it here as our email distribution lists not allow us to send it to those who have opted out. Because several of our partners have started posting the news early, we are responding now but please note our web sites have not had time to upload all the information yet. As early as possible but by no later than 3pm EST, we will have loaded all the information including a detailed FAQ on www.autodesk.com/softimagehttp://www.autodesk.com/softimage. In the interim I have also copied and pasted it below Within the next 15 minutes you can also visit http://area.autodesk.com/softimagetransition to register for a live QA webinar on Marc 18th at 12pm EST. as well as see the full documentation of what is new in Softimage 2015. Maurice Patel Autodesk -- Octavian Ureche +40 732 774 313 (GMT+2) Animation Visual Effects www.okto.ro
Re: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement
I believe that as long SitoA and Exocortex Alembic continue being updated, I can still work with Softimage for another five years without problems, for more complex tasks such as fluid simulation and volumetric effects, Alembic is the perfect integration between Softimage and Houdini. I don't need any other Autodesk product. 2014-03-05 13:45 GMT-03:00 Octavian Ureche okt...@gmail.com: No matter what assurances autodesk ever gives, i don't think anyone will ever believe them anymore. But then again, histories have a way of repeating themselves... Let's just hope this was the last time they managed to fool us. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 6:35 PM, Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES] j.ponthi...@nasa.gov wrote: Indeed. This decision does make one wonder if this will be a CUBICOMP moment for AD ME. Trust is not something sold like a software maintenance agreement. It's earned. I started using Softimage 20 years ago this very month. In all those years not even Avid or Microsoft put the production methodology I use in such jeopardy. The work I have been doing in Soft is so heavily dependent ICE now it can't be done the same way or even transferred to Maya or Max. How am I to replace this? There is no current Autodesk equivalent to Softimage, especially in regards to ICE. I understand that softwares mature and new paradigms emerge. I've been through the whole Picturemaker-Vertigo-Picturemaker, Quantel-Express V, PowerAnimator/TAV-Maya, 3dStudio-Max, and SI3D-XSI paradigm shifts. I even suffered through the demise of Aurora, Matador, and Shake. But why isn't there an equivalent alternative to move to before Softimage is terminated? Even if I do migrate to another AD ME software, can I trust that AD won't abandon it as well? Sketchbook anyone? Can anyone at AD give me a concrete assurance that this kind of abandonment, and loss of investment, won't happen again? -- Joey Ponthieux __ Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not represent the opinions of NASA or any other party. -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jordi Bares Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 12:35 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement This is probably the worst decisions Autodesk has taken. Looking back a the Gold Lion at Cannes, VES awards, the BTAA awards over the last few years where the work done by this close knit community has been recognised I am shocked you really think you by killing Softimage you are committed to providing our customers with the most technologically advanced products and highest quality customer service possible My feeling is that you as a company have not gauged correctly how easy is to loose the trust of an entire community and how hard is going to get it back if at all possible. Good luck Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 4 Mar 2014, at 17:01, Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.com wrote: Over the past week there have been many rumors about the future of Softimage posted on various forums and social media sites. Many of you have been looking for an official confirmation or denial from Autodesk. Unfortunately, we were not in a position to respond until today as we needed to finalize all the details of our plans. But yes Softimage 2015 will be the last release of the software. I wanted to share some of those details with you: - Softimage 2015 will be the last release of the software - We will continue to support the software and develop hot fixes and service packs for two more years - If they wish to, customers on Subscription will be able to transition to Maya or 3ds Max at no cost while retaining the right to continue to use Softimage in production/ - Existing customers will be able to purchase additional seats and/or rental plans if they need to scale production Below is a copy of the letter that was sent electronically to Softimage customers today. I have copied it here as our email distribution lists not allow us to send it to those who have opted out. Because several of our partners have started posting the news early, we are responding now but please note our web sites have not had time to upload all the information yet. As early as possible but by no later than 3pm EST, we will have loaded all the information including a detailed FAQ on www.autodesk.com/softimagehttp://www.autodesk.com/softimage. In the interim I have also copied and pasted it below Within the next 15 minutes you can also visit http://area.autodesk.com/softimagetransition to register for a live QA webinar on Marc 18th at 12pm EST. as well as see the full documentation of what is new in Softimage 2015. Maurice Patel Autodesk -- Octavian Ureche +40
Re: Luxology Modo 50% off for this mailing list
After spending a year working in Houdini I'm not sure sideFX can do that make it more artist friendly. Have you ever tried modelling something in there or even unwrapping it. Feck. For years there has been a push for side FX to make the software more artist friendly...and it just never gets there. Why do I have to put expressions in to do light inclusion/exclusion? I am not a technical person and I found Houdini incredibly aggravating to work with. It has some really nice things going for it and I see the advantages from a technical/FX stand point. But to become a tool I can quickly crank some style frames out of...never happen. I'd go to C4D before using Houdini for that stuff. I'm with Timyou get Redshift over into Modo...I think that's going somewhere. It would be easier to develop Modo going forward then to backwards engineer HoudiniI think. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Octavian Ureche okt...@gmail.com wrote: I like modo, i really do, but i just can't wrap my head around the idea of a modeling application becoming an allrounder. I think tremendous rnd effort will be required from the dev team to get it even close to where xsi is right now, taking a lot of years in the process. And i'm not sure they have those kinds of resources at their disposal. For that reason, i think sidefx has a better chance of making houdini's workflow (emphasis here on rigging and animation) a lot smoother and appealing to artists, than modo has of getting to that level of consistent complexity. And consistency across the board is key here. Then again, i might be way off with my thinking Just my 2 cents, Peace, Octav On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 6:18 PM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: Concerning a Modo roadmap, I couldn't share any specifics even if I had them (I don't anyway). I know generally that performance and scalability are way high up on the priority list. If they're not exactly #1, they've gotta be close to it. I think they really do realize the serious obstacles presented by Modo's current trouble with deformer speed, weight-painting speed, etc. The viewport can actually handle a ton of polys really well, by most accounts superior to what Maya can do, but deformers seem to give the GL redraw some trouble. This is a known issue for sure, and the Modo devs are well aware of it. I have definitely been encouraged by the last two releases of Modo. 601 and 701 really hit some home runs. You can't put everything that everyone wants into a single release, but they've got a great track record, especially over the last 2-3 years, of making some real power plays with their upgrades. It's all relative to what your needs are in your particular corner of CG, naturally, but it's an upward trend, and one which will continue with 801 ;-) Softimage and Modo have been two favorite apps to run on my workstation over the last several years, hands down. I see some interesting similarities when I compare the philosophies that drove their respective designs. If we could get Redshift in Modo oh man -Tim On 3/5/2014 10:00 AM, Mirko Jankovic wrote: when was AD giving any roadmap at all??? committing you to pay subs without knowing at all what will you get next year. cat in the back. well we did know what they have on road map for SI.. end of the road... On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Chris Johnson chr...@topixfx.com wrote: Do they have a summary somewhere of the road map for the software? If your talking to Brad...thanks Tim! Also be nice if Autodesk gave us a roadmap for them so we're not all spinning our wheels. If MAX is dead in the next year be nice to know. Even if they were in development of some uber software...a general idea behind a release date? On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 10:46 AM, Tim Crowson tim.crow...@magneticdreams.com wrote: I've contacted Brad to try to find out what the deal will be, regarding 801. I'm not privvy to the release date, so I honestly don't know when that's coming. -Tim On 3/5/2014 8:44 AM, Maurício PC wrote: I'm willing to buy it, but I don't know if I should wait for Modo 801. Because to buy this and later have to spend more 500 USD to update will put a serious hole on my wallet. Does anybody knows if this purchase will lets us upgrade to 801 with a nice discount? :D Anyway ... Brad always seemed like a great guy and this is prove of that. On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Gerbrand Nel nagv...@gmail.comwrote: I love seeing gestures like this. Anyone know how long this discount is valid for. I'd like to try it for a bit before blindly spending, what is still allot of money, if you happen to live in Africa :) G On 2014/03/05 05:15 AM, Raffaele Fragapane wrote: Hi all, If you can't be bothered to read some text, the important bit is in bold a few paragraphs down. Now that the worst kept secret EVER has seen the sunlight, while everybody is still shell
RE: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement
Autodesk has made it thoroughly clear that you cant trust them at all. The only thing you can count on is they don't care about their customers - they just want our money. The very sad part is that even if they manage to improve Maya to a point where it is not a pain to use and a lot of Soft users make the transition, they can't be relied on to continue the productline for the user's sake. If it fits better in to corporate plans they will sell or discontinue it just like that. What we need is a software company that actually cares about their customers, so I will definately be on the lookout for just that. Morten Den 5. marts 2014 kl. 17:35 skrev Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES] j.ponthi...@nasa.gov: Indeed. This decision does make one wonder if this will be a CUBICOMP moment for AD ME. Trust is not something sold like a software maintenance agreement. It's earned. I started using Softimage 20 years ago this very month. In all those years not even Avid or Microsoft put the production methodology I use in such jeopardy. The work I have been doing in Soft is so heavily dependent ICE now it can't be done the same way or even transferred to Maya or Max. How am I to replace this? There is no current Autodesk equivalent to Softimage, especially in regards to ICE. I understand that softwares mature and new paradigms emerge. I've been through the whole Picturemaker-Vertigo-Picturemaker, Quantel-Express V, PowerAnimator/TAV-Maya, 3dStudio-Max, and SI3D-XSI paradigm shifts. I even suffered through the demise of Aurora, Matador, and Shake. But why isn't there an equivalent alternative to move to before Softimage is terminated? Even if I do migrate to another AD ME software, can I trust that AD won't abandon it as well? Sketchbook anyone? Can anyone at AD give me a concrete assurance that this kind of abandonment, and loss of investment, won't happen again? -- Joey Ponthieux __ Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not represent the opinions of NASA or any other party. -Original Message- From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Jordi Bares Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2014 12:35 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement This is probably the worst decisions Autodesk has taken. Looking back a the Gold Lion at Cannes, VES awards, the BTAA awards over the last few years where the work done by this close knit community has been recognised I am shocked you really think you by killing Softimage you are committed to providing our customers with the most technologically advanced products and highest quality customer service possible My feeling is that you as a company have not gauged correctly how easy is to loose the trust of an entire community and how hard is going to get it back if at all possible. Good luck Jordi Bares jordiba...@gmail.com On 4 Mar 2014, at 17:01, Maurice Patel maurice.pa...@autodesk.com wrote: Over the past week there have been many rumors about the future of Softimage posted on various forums and social media sites. Many of you have been looking for an official confirmation or denial from Autodesk. Unfortunately, we were not in a position to respond until today as we needed to finalize all the details of our plans. But yes Softimage 2015 will be the last release of the software. I wanted to share some of those details with you: - Softimage 2015 will be the last release of the software - We will continue to support the software and develop hot fixes and service packs for two more years - If they wish to, customers on Subscription will be able to transition to Maya or 3ds Max at no cost while retaining the right to continue to use Softimage in production/ - Existing customers will be able to purchase additional seats and/or rental plans if they need to scale production Below is a copy of the letter that was sent electronically to Softimage customers today. I have copied it here as our email distribution lists not allow us to send it to those who have opted out. Because several of our partners have started posting the news early, we are responding now but please note our web sites have not had time to upload all the information yet. As early as possible but by no later than 3pm EST, we will have loaded all the information including a detailed FAQ on www.autodesk.com/softimagehttp://www.autodesk.com/softimage. In the interim I have also copied and pasted it below Within the next 15 minutes you can also visit http://area.autodesk.com/softimagetransition to register for a live QA webinar on Marc 18th at 12pm EST. as well as see the full documentation of what is new in Softimage 2015. Maurice Patel Autodesk
Re: Softimage 2015 Last Release Announcement
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