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This response has absolutely no takeaways for me that are of any value. I understand that this is a process, and plans are revealed only as they develop; but the letter simply rubs me wrong. It feels like more of a justification of actions taken by AD than an attempt to give the customer base something they can use moving forward. In other words, it seems more of an attempt by Autodesk to preserve their image than it does to serve their customers. It was wrongly focused and short on substance. On Mar 17, 2014, at 10:19 PM, Tenshi Sama tenshu...@gmail.com wrote: Autode$k shoot us with disguised lies, once again. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Meng-Yang Lu ntmon...@gmail.com wrote: You have some fans anticipating that release. Me included. Godspeed buddy. -Lu On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com wrote: The company is 110% focused on getting Wildstar to market on our advertised release date of June 3, 2014. That’s not too far off, so you can imagine where our heads are at right now. I cannot speak for the company, but if it were up to me I’d wait for the sales numbers to roll in to determine if transition is even an issue. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Meng-Yang Lu Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 4:20 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk response Matt, Considering your previous emails about retaining legacy, I got the notion you didn't know until the last minute since you were still writing emails about date integrity. What are you guys planning to do? -Lu On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com wrote: In response to ‘B’, Autodesk showed up at our office the very moment the news went live to everybody else. In essence, we didn’t get any warning either. We were told we’re one of the larger Softimage customers. No NDA’s, roadmaps to the future, or anything else. Just, “Hey, Soft is EOL. We’ll toss you some Max and/or Maya licenses at no extra cost to help you along for the next 2 years, after which you can no longer use Soft. Any questions?”. This is before the policy of ending use of Softimage after Feb 1, 2016 was revised, of course. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Raffaele Fragapane Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 3:44 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk response Lets make something very clear here. A) big shops might not be voicing their concerns for reasons other than some of the utterly retarded conspiracy theories that are emerging. Reasons might be that CEOs and producers in a place big enough simply DO NOT give enough of a damn about this, or that they are not a bunch of fanatics but they deal with business the way business is dealt with, or even that it's not infrequent for shops having a no vendor bias policy which extends to publicity, positive or negative, of any kind tied to a specific vendor. B) the forewarning was a small handful of weeks for the luckiest, as short as 10 days for those at the end of it, and many were simply left out out of sheer incompetence (See Glassworks). C) the shops you mention might be considering to flip the finger to AD as well. As usual I can't speak for, or even imply what is going on in, Animal Logic, but I know first hand that more than a place was already trying their absolute hardest to marginalize as much as possible integration of AD products. Do you think how this latest move was handled is helping? D) Last but not least, I don't know where this dysfunctional theory some people seem to have that big shops get bribed by vendors to promote things to the peons. Sure, it sporadically happened in the past, especially in SGI days, but ultimately the margins in VFX and Feature Animation are so small you have no idea. The singular sole priority in any big shop is to work as efficiently as possible financially. If it involves using AD products AD itself could be helmed by Satan and have a side-trade of illegal arms contraband and AD products would still be bought. If working with AD is potentially financially damaging, given how small the cost of software itself in a pipe is these days when the pipe is wide and long enough, many birds would be instantaneously flipped at AD. Honestly guys, get a grip. There's no conspiracy theory, just some people are a lot more rational and more divested across resources than those frothing over it. It doesn't mean they aren't saddened, or suddenly even more concerned about AD's client policies, but they don't all have XSI tattoos on their buttocks. On Tue
Autodesk response
Hello Following this article http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-reaction-autodesks-decision-kill-3d-software-31410967 here is Autodesk's response http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-autodesk-responds-31411033 Alastair -- Alastair Hearsum Head of 3d GLASSWORKS 33/34 Great Pulteney Street London W1F 9NP +44 (0)20 7434 1182 glassworks.co.uk http://www.glassworks.co.uk/ Glassworks Terms and Conditions of Sale can be found at glassworks.co.uk (Company registered in England with number 04759979. Registered office 25 Harley Street, London, W1G 9BR. VAT registration number: 86729) Please consider the environment before you print this email. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and attachments are strictly privileged, private and confidential and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If this transmission is received in error please kindly return it to the sender and delete this message from your system.
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??? --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. 2014-03-17 9:04 GMT-06:00 Alastair Hearsum hear...@glassworks.co.uk: Hello Following this article http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-reaction-autodesks-decision-kill-3d-software-31410967 here is Autodesk's response http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-autodesk-responds-31411033 Alastair -- Alastair Hearsum Head of 3d [image: GLASSWORKS] 33/34 Great Pulteney Street London W1F 9NP +44 (0)20 7434 1182 glassworks.co.uk http://www.glassworks.co.uk/ Glassworks Terms and Conditions of Sale can be found at glassworks.co.uk (Company registered in England with number 04759979. Registered office 25 Harley Street, London, W1G 9BR. VAT registration number: 86729) Please consider the environment before you print this email. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and attachments are strictly privileged, private and confidential and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If this transmission is received in error please kindly return it to the sender and delete this message from your system.
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In the case of Glassworks, it was really just an unfortunate oversight that they were not pre-briefed. We have personally contacted Alastair to apologise. Last year we pre-briefed Glassworks on other strategic projects and it was a simple error on our end that they were not on the list this time round. We are taking steps to remedy that situation. I have also been personably active on our forums every day reading and responding directly to users questions and concerns and we have an ongoing dialog with our customers. Emotional time This is no doubt a deeply emotional time for Softimage customers. We fully understand this and are trying to be as accommodating as possible to their needs. We are giving Softimage subscription customers two years to transition, for free, to either Maya or 3ds Max, both of which are industry leading software applications. We are creating special focus groups for Softimage users to guide the development of future functionality in these products to better meet their needs, we are developing training materials to facilitate the transition; and we will allow them to not only migrate to either 3ds Max or Maya but continue to use their Softimage licenses in perpetuity. So, while we fully understand this is not a simple transition for customers, we are doing everything we can to make it as painless as possible. --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. 2014-03-17 9:06 GMT-06:00 Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com: ??? --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. 2014-03-17 9:04 GMT-06:00 Alastair Hearsum hear...@glassworks.co.uk: Hello Following this article http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-reaction-autodesks-decision-kill-3d-software-31410967 here is Autodesk's response http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-autodesk-responds-31411033 Alastair -- Alastair Hearsum Head of 3d [image: GLASSWORKS] 33/34 Great Pulteney Street London W1F 9NP +44 (0)20 7434 1182 glassworks.co.uk http://www.glassworks.co.uk/ Glassworks Terms and Conditions of Sale can be found at glassworks.co.uk (Company registered in England with number 04759979. Registered office 25 Harley Street, London, W1G 9BR. VAT registration number: 86729) Please consider the environment before you print this email. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and attachments are strictly privileged, private and confidential and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If this transmission is received in error please kindly return it to the sender and delete this message from your system.
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Hi Maurice Maintaining the status quo is not going to be a recipe for success either for ourselves how does that not include Maya? That's the ultimate in status quo surely? Andi ... http://www.hackneyeffects.com/https://vimeo.com/user4174293http://www.linkedin.com/pub/andi-farhall/b/496/b21 http://www.flickr.com/photos/lord_hackney/ http://spylon.tumblr.com/ This email and any attachments to it may be confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions expressed are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Hackney Effects Ltd.If you are not the intended recipient of this email, you must neither take any action based upon its contents, nor copy or show it to anyone.Please contact the sender if you believe you have received this email in error. Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2014 15:04:43 + From: hear...@glassworks.co.uk To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Autodesk response Hello Following this article http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-reaction-autodesks-decision-kill-3d-software-31410967 here is Autodesk's response http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-autodesk-responds-31411033 Alastair -- Alastair Hearsum Head of 3d 33/34 Great Pulteney Street London W1F 9NP +44 (0)20 7434 1182 glassworks.co.uk Glassworks Terms and Conditions of Sale can be found at glassworks.co.uk (Company registered in England with number 04759979. Registered office 25 Harley Street, London, W1G 9BR. VAT registration number: 86729) Please consider the environment before you print this email. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and attachments are strictly privileged, private and confidential and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If this transmission is received in error please kindly return it to the sender and delete this message from your system.
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I can only say this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx2V-D-Xdq8 2014-03-17 16:09 GMT+01:00 Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com: In the case of Glassworks, it was really just an unfortunate oversight that they were not pre-briefed. We have personally contacted Alastair to apologise. Last year we pre-briefed Glassworks on other strategic projects and it was a simple error on our end that they were not on the list this time round. We are taking steps to remedy that situation. I have also been personably active on our forums every day reading and responding directly to users questions and concerns and we have an ongoing dialog with our customers. Emotional time This is no doubt a deeply emotional time for Softimage customers. We fully understand this and are trying to be as accommodating as possible to their needs. We are giving Softimage subscription customers two years to transition, for free, to either Maya or 3ds Max, both of which are industry leading software applications. We are creating special focus groups for Softimage users to guide the development of future functionality in these products to better meet their needs, we are developing training materials to facilitate the transition; and we will allow them to not only migrate to either 3ds Max or Maya but continue to use their Softimage licenses in perpetuity. So, while we fully understand this is not a simple transition for customers, we are doing everything we can to make it as painless as possible. --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. 2014-03-17 9:06 GMT-06:00 Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com: ??? --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. 2014-03-17 9:04 GMT-06:00 Alastair Hearsum hear...@glassworks.co.uk: Hello Following this article http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-reaction-autodesks-decision-kill-3d-software-31410967 here is Autodesk's response http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-autodesk-responds-31411033 Alastair -- Alastair Hearsum Head of 3d [image: GLASSWORKS] 33/34 Great Pulteney Street London W1F 9NP +44 (0)20 7434 1182 glassworks.co.uk http://www.glassworks.co.uk/ Glassworks Terms and Conditions of Sale can be found at glassworks.co.uk (Company registered in England with number 04759979. Registered office 25 Harley Street, London, W1G 9BR. VAT registration number: 86729) Please consider the environment before you print this email. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and attachments are strictly privileged, private and confidential and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If this transmission is received in error please kindly return it to the sender and delete this message from your system.
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I am sorry, It's not at Glassworks or Alastair but Autodesk. This is hysterical. Artur 2014-03-17 16:15 GMT+01:00 Artur Woźniak artur.w...@gmail.com: I can only say this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mx2V-D-Xdq8 2014-03-17 16:09 GMT+01:00 Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com: In the case of Glassworks, it was really just an unfortunate oversight that they were not pre-briefed. We have personally contacted Alastair to apologise. Last year we pre-briefed Glassworks on other strategic projects and it was a simple error on our end that they were not on the list this time round. We are taking steps to remedy that situation. I have also been personably active on our forums every day reading and responding directly to users questions and concerns and we have an ongoing dialog with our customers. Emotional time This is no doubt a deeply emotional time for Softimage customers. We fully understand this and are trying to be as accommodating as possible to their needs. We are giving Softimage subscription customers two years to transition, for free, to either Maya or 3ds Max, both of which are industry leading software applications. We are creating special focus groups for Softimage users to guide the development of future functionality in these products to better meet their needs, we are developing training materials to facilitate the transition; and we will allow them to not only migrate to either 3ds Max or Maya but continue to use their Softimage licenses in perpetuity. So, while we fully understand this is not a simple transition for customers, we are doing everything we can to make it as painless as possible. --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. 2014-03-17 9:06 GMT-06:00 Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com: ??? --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. 2014-03-17 9:04 GMT-06:00 Alastair Hearsum hear...@glassworks.co.uk: Hello Following this article http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-reaction-autodesks-decision-kill-3d-software-31410967 here is Autodesk's response http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-autodesk-responds-31411033 Alastair -- Alastair Hearsum Head of 3d [image: GLASSWORKS] 33/34 Great Pulteney Street London W1F 9NP +44 (0)20 7434 1182 glassworks.co.uk http://www.glassworks.co.uk/ Glassworks Terms and Conditions of Sale can be found at glassworks.co.uk (Company registered in England with number 04759979. Registered office 25 Harley Street, London, W1G 9BR. VAT registration number: 86729) Please consider the environment before you print this email. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and attachments are strictly privileged, private and confidential and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If this transmission is received in error please kindly return it to the sender and delete this message from your system.
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it was really just an unfortunate oversight that they were not pre-briefed. On 03/17/14 11:04, Alastair Hearsum wrote: Hello Following this article http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-reaction-autodesks-decision-kill-3d-software-31410967 here is Autodesk's response http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-autodesk-responds-31411033 Alastair -- Alastair Hearsum Head of 3d GLASSWORKS 33/34 Great Pulteney Street London W1F 9NP +44 (0)20 7434 1182 glassworks.co.uk http://www.glassworks.co.uk/ Glassworks Terms and Conditions of Sale can be found at glassworks.co.uk (Company registered in England with number 04759979. Registered office 25 Harley Street, London, W1G 9BR. VAT registration number: 86729) Please consider the environment before you print this email. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and attachments are strictly privileged, private and confidential and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If this transmission is received in error please kindly return it to the sender and delete this message from your system.
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So they're saying that they want to push over new technology with Bifrost and virtual production. Bifrost ( correct me if I'm wrong ) is still in development and it wont be ready for a while Virtual production is a couple of years that is already used, and in order to shoot live video together with the CG background you have to access the SDK of the software you're using ( so not necessarily Maya/Max ) Regarding other things related to virtual production I just saw the demo and there are advanced tools ( material mostly ), and realtime mocap into MotionBuilder. In the end, they're killing Softimage, while waiting for those technologies to be implemented ( when? ) into the next release of Maya/MotionBuilder/Max... I really don't get it, and what they're saying makes not so much sense, they just want to push Maya 2014-03-17 16:09 GMT+01:00 Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com: In the case of Glassworks, it was really just an unfortunate oversight that they were not pre-briefed. We have personally contacted Alastair to apologise. Last year we pre-briefed Glassworks on other strategic projects and it was a simple error on our end that they were not on the list this time round. We are taking steps to remedy that situation. I have also been personably active on our forums every day reading and responding directly to users questions and concerns and we have an ongoing dialog with our customers. Emotional time This is no doubt a deeply emotional time for Softimage customers. We fully understand this and are trying to be as accommodating as possible to their needs. We are giving Softimage subscription customers two years to transition, for free, to either Maya or 3ds Max, both of which are industry leading software applications. We are creating special focus groups for Softimage users to guide the development of future functionality in these products to better meet their needs, we are developing training materials to facilitate the transition; and we will allow them to not only migrate to either 3ds Max or Maya but continue to use their Softimage licenses in perpetuity. So, while we fully understand this is not a simple transition for customers, we are doing everything we can to make it as painless as possible. --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. 2014-03-17 9:06 GMT-06:00 Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com: ??? --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. 2014-03-17 9:04 GMT-06:00 Alastair Hearsum hear...@glassworks.co.uk: Hello Following this article http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-reaction-autodesks-decision-kill-3d-software-31410967 here is Autodesk's response http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-autodesk-responds-31411033 Alastair -- Alastair Hearsum Head of 3d [image: GLASSWORKS] 33/34 Great Pulteney Street London W1F 9NP +44 (0)20 7434 1182 glassworks.co.uk http://www.glassworks.co.uk/ Glassworks Terms and Conditions of Sale can be found at glassworks.co.uk (Company registered in England with number 04759979. Registered office 25 Harley Street, London, W1G 9BR. VAT registration number: 86729) Please consider the environment before you print this email. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and attachments are strictly privileged, private and confidential and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If this transmission is received in error please kindly return it to the sender and delete this message from your system.
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it was really just an unfortunate oversight that they were not pre-briefed. as if all this was about lack of pre-breifing.. On 03/17/14 11:04, Alastair Hearsum wrote: Hello Following this article http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-reaction-autodesks-decision-kill-3d-software-31410967 here is Autodesk's response http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-autodesk-responds-31411033 Alastair -- Alastair Hearsum Head of 3d GLASSWORKS 33/34 Great Pulteney Street London W1F 9NP +44 (0)20 7434 1182 glassworks.co.uk http://www.glassworks.co.uk/ Glassworks Terms and Conditions of Sale can be found at glassworks.co.uk (Company registered in England with number 04759979. Registered office 25 Harley Street, London, W1G 9BR. VAT registration number: 86729) Please consider the environment before you print this email. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and attachments are strictly privileged, private and confidential and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If this transmission is received in error please kindly return it to the sender and delete this message from your system.
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Well here is a mail for our voice to be heard at this channel. kerrie.hug...@futurenet.com --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. 2014-03-17 9:19 GMT-06:00 Jason S jasonsta...@gmail.com: it was really just an unfortunate oversight that they were not pre-briefed. as if all this was about lack of pre-breifing.. On 03/17/14 11:04, Alastair Hearsum wrote: Hello Following this article http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-reaction-autodesks-decision-kill-3d-software-31410967 here is Autodesk's response http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-autodesk-responds-31411033 Alastair -- Alastair Hearsum Head of 3d [image: GLASSWORKS] 33/34 Great Pulteney Street London W1F 9NP +44 (0)20 7434 1182 glassworks.co.uk http://www.glassworks.co.uk/ Glassworks Terms and Conditions of Sale can be found at glassworks.co.uk (Company registered in England with number 04759979. Registered office 25 Harley Street, London, W1G 9BR. VAT registration number: 86729) Please consider the environment before you print this email. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and attachments are strictly privileged, private and confidential and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If this transmission is received in error please kindly return it to the sender and delete this message from your system.
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I liked this statement in the article constant creative innovation. In the case of Autodesk, should be changed to constant creative acquisition, stagnation and degradation. Looking elsewhere, and this response has only solidified that decision. On 3/17/2014 11:04 AM, Alastair Hearsum wrote: Hello Following this article http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-reaction-autodesks-decision-kill-3d-software-31410967 here is Autodesk's response http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-autodesk-responds-31411033 Alastair -- Alastair Hearsum Head of 3d GLASSWORKS 33/34 Great Pulteney Street London W1F 9NP +44 (0)20 7434 1182 glassworks.co.uk http://www.glassworks.co.uk/ Glassworks Terms and Conditions of Sale can be found at glassworks.co.uk (Company registered in England with number 04759979. Registered office 25 Harley Street, London, W1G 9BR. VAT registration number: 86729) Please consider the environment before you print this email. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and attachments are strictly privileged, private and confidential and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If this transmission is received in error please kindly return it to the sender and delete this message from your system. -- Dan Pejril Upbeat Unique Entertainment www.UpbeatUnique.com
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That's not a response to the open letters. No word about how XSI is an asset in production thanks to its fast workflow, and how Autodesk intends to find a replacement. Once again, Softimage is NOT only ICE, so bifrost cannot be a replacement for Softimage.
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One thing I would like to know : Why is it not possible to buy SI after the fatal date (march 28 ?) ? If there is no more support, it's costless for AD, no ? Le 17/03/2014 16:20, Emilio Hernandez a écrit : Well here is a mail for our voice to be heard at this channel. kerrie.hug...@futurenet.com mailto:kerrie.hug...@futurenet.com --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. 2014-03-17 9:19 GMT-06:00 Jason S jasonsta...@gmail.com mailto:jasonsta...@gmail.com: it was really just an unfortunate oversight that they were not pre-briefed. as if all this was about lack of pre-breifing.. On 03/17/14 11:04, Alastair Hearsum wrote: Hello Following this article http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-reaction-autodesks-decision-kill-3d-software-31410967 here is Autodesk's response http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-autodesk-responds-31411033 Alastair -- Alastair Hearsum Head of 3d GLASSWORKS 33/34 Great Pulteney Street London W1F 9NP +44 (0)20 7434 1182 tel:%2B44%20%280%2920%207434%201182 glassworks.co.uk http://www.glassworks.co.uk/ Glassworks Terms and Conditions of Sale can be found at glassworks.co.uk http://glassworks.co.uk (Company registered in England with number 04759979. Registered office 25 Harley Street, London, W1G 9BR. VAT registration number: 86729) Please consider the environment before you print this email. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and attachments are strictly privileged, private and confidential and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If this transmission is received in error please kindly return it to the sender and delete this message from your system.
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For example, only a small proportion of our Softimage customers are actually current on the Softimage software. Many are using older versions. These customers will be able to continue to do so in perpetuity. Given that they are productive using older versions of the software, this decision should not significantly impact that productivity. For customers who have built their production capacity around staying current with our releases there are several options including locking their pipelines on Softimage 2015 indefinitely or transitioning to a Maya or 3ds Max pipeline. These people are not happy they're still on older versions, it's the stagnation of development under Autodesk that's kept them there. I'm sorry, but this is a shameful misrepresentation of the facts, Maurice. DAN On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 5:24 PM, David Saber davidsa...@sfr.fr wrote: That's not a response to the open letters. No word about how XSI is an asset in production thanks to its fast workflow, and how Autodesk intends to find a replacement. Once again, Softimage is NOT only ICE, so bifrost cannot be a replacement for Softimage.
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we are developing training materials to facilitate the transition That's going to be a joke. These videos are going to be the ultimate testament to all the things that are harder to do in Maya. historically, the introduction of Maya and of XSI were disruptive events requiring retraining and adaptation and it is unlikely these will be the last How the hell were the introduction of Maya and XSI disruptive? No one yanked a previous and superior program away in order to disrupt us with XSI or Maya. They were just better programs that people naturally migrated to. Simple evolution. It's all just freakin' sales crap to try and smooth things over. AD should just come clean and say they know they fucked up people's livelyhood because of simple cold business decisions, at least they wouldn't be lying at that point. Then, if they really were sorry and truly understood what they are killing, they could actually consider doing the right thing and let XSI go live on somewhere else, and then try to compete with it, if they truly stand behind their own words, that healty competition is a good thing. It's all fucking disrespectful. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Alastair Hearsum hear...@glassworks.co.ukwrote: Hello Following this article http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-reaction-autodesks-decision-kill-3d-software-31410967 here is Autodesk's response http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-autodesk-responds-31411033 Alastair -- Alastair Hearsum Head of 3d [image: GLASSWORKS] 33/34 Great Pulteney Street London W1F 9NP +44 (0)20 7434 1182 glassworks.co.uk http://www.glassworks.co.uk/ Glassworks Terms and Conditions of Sale can be found at glassworks.co.uk (Company registered in England with number 04759979. Registered office 25 Harley Street, London, W1G 9BR. VAT registration number: 86729) Please consider the environment before you print this email. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and attachments are strictly privileged, private and confidential and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If this transmission is received in error please kindly return it to the sender and delete this message from your system.
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Where do you buy virtual rotten tomatoes? --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. 2014-03-17 9:51 GMT-06:00 Juan Brockhaus juanxsil...@gmail.com: I wouldn't have used so many f##cks ;-) ... but I totally agree with you, Arvid. Juan On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Arvid Björn arvidbj...@gmail.com wrote: we are developing training materials to facilitate the transition That's going to be a joke. These videos are going to be the ultimate testament to all the things that are harder to do in Maya. historically, the introduction of Maya and of XSI were disruptive events requiring retraining and adaptation and it is unlikely these will be the last How the hell were the introduction of Maya and XSI disruptive? No one yanked a previous and superior program away in order to disrupt us with XSI or Maya. They were just better programs that people naturally migrated to. Simple evolution. It's all just freakin' sales crap to try and smooth things over. AD should just come clean and say they know they fucked up people's livelyhood because of simple cold business decisions, at least they wouldn't be lying at that point. Then, if they really were sorry and truly understood what they are killing, they could actually consider doing the right thing and let XSI go live on somewhere else, and then try to compete with it, if they truly stand behind their own words, that healty competition is a good thing. It's all fucking disrespectful. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Alastair Hearsum hear...@glassworks.co.uk wrote: Hello Following this article http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-reaction-autodesks-decision-kill-3d-software-31410967 here is Autodesk's response http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-autodesk-responds-31411033 Alastair -- Alastair Hearsum Head of 3d [image: GLASSWORKS] 33/34 Great Pulteney Street London W1F 9NP +44 (0)20 7434 1182 glassworks.co.uk http://www.glassworks.co.uk/ Glassworks Terms and Conditions of Sale can be found at glassworks.co.uk (Company registered in England with number 04759979. Registered office 25 Harley Street, London, W1G 9BR. VAT registration number: 86729) Please consider the environment before you print this email. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and attachments are strictly privileged, private and confidential and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If this transmission is received in error please kindly return it to the sender and delete this message from your system.
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they bought Soft to get rid of the strongest competitor. then gave it less and less nutritions so that it started to get sick and weak. now they can easily excuse, that it had to be shot (put down), to safe it from a slow and painful death. ... On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Juan Brockhaus juanxsil...@gmail.comwrote: I wouldn't have used so many f##cks ;-) ... but I totally agree with you, Arvid. Juan On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Arvid Björn arvidbj...@gmail.com wrote: we are developing training materials to facilitate the transition That's going to be a joke. These videos are going to be the ultimate testament to all the things that are harder to do in Maya. historically, the introduction of Maya and of XSI were disruptive events requiring retraining and adaptation and it is unlikely these will be the last How the hell were the introduction of Maya and XSI disruptive? No one yanked a previous and superior program away in order to disrupt us with XSI or Maya. They were just better programs that people naturally migrated to. Simple evolution. It's all just freakin' sales crap to try and smooth things over. AD should just come clean and say they know they fucked up people's livelyhood because of simple cold business decisions, at least they wouldn't be lying at that point. Then, if they really were sorry and truly understood what they are killing, they could actually consider doing the right thing and let XSI go live on somewhere else, and then try to compete with it, if they truly stand behind their own words, that healty competition is a good thing. It's all fucking disrespectful. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 4:04 PM, Alastair Hearsum hear...@glassworks.co.uk wrote: Hello Following this article http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-reaction-autodesks-decision-kill-3d-software-31410967 here is Autodesk's response http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-autodesk-responds-31411033 Alastair -- Alastair Hearsum Head of 3d [image: GLASSWORKS] 33/34 Great Pulteney Street London W1F 9NP +44 (0)20 7434 1182 glassworks.co.uk http://www.glassworks.co.uk/ Glassworks Terms and Conditions of Sale can be found at glassworks.co.uk (Company registered in England with number 04759979. Registered office 25 Harley Street, London, W1G 9BR. VAT registration number: 86729) Please consider the environment before you print this email. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and attachments are strictly privileged, private and confidential and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If this transmission is received in error please kindly return it to the sender and delete this message from your system.
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It is also quite clear that both the visual effects and games businesses are going through significant transitions: both from a business model and a technology perspective. Are they referring to this? http://www.hollywoodendingmovie.com/ Is this a reaction to the unsustainable business model of effects houses? just trying to understand their response. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Alastair Hearsum hear...@glassworks.co.uk wrote: Hello Following this article http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-reaction-autodesks-decision-kill-3d-software-31410967 here is Autodesk's response http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-autodesk-responds-31411033 Alastair -- Alastair Hearsum Head of 3d [image: GLASSWORKS] 33/34 Great Pulteney Street London W1F 9NP +44 (0)20 7434 1182 glassworks.co.uk http://www.glassworks.co.uk/ Glassworks Terms and Conditions of Sale can be found at glassworks.co.uk (Company registered in England with number 04759979. Registered office 25 Harley Street, London, W1G 9BR. VAT registration number: 86729) Please consider the environment before you print this email. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and attachments are strictly privileged, private and confidential and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If this transmission is received in error please kindly return it to the sender and delete this message from your system. -- Best Regards, * Stephen P. Davidson* *(954) 552-7956*sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com *Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic* - Arthur C. Clarke http://www.3danimationmagic.com
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The webinar just stopped and I cant' get it back.. It's all bullshit but am I the only one not accessing it anymore ? On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Stephen Davidson magic...@bellsouth.netwrote: It is also quite clear that both the visual effects and games businesses are going through significant transitions: both from a business model and a technology perspective. Are they referring to this? http://www.hollywoodendingmovie.com/ Is this a reaction to the unsustainable business model of effects houses? just trying to understand their response. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Alastair Hearsum hear...@glassworks.co.uk wrote: Hello Following this article http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-reaction-autodesks-decision-kill-3d-software-31410967 here is Autodesk's response http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-autodesk-responds-31411033 Alastair -- Alastair Hearsum Head of 3d [image: GLASSWORKS] 33/34 Great Pulteney Street London W1F 9NP +44 (0)20 7434 1182 glassworks.co.uk http://www.glassworks.co.uk/ Glassworks Terms and Conditions of Sale can be found at glassworks.co.uk (Company registered in England with number 04759979. Registered office 25 Harley Street, London, W1G 9BR. VAT registration number: 86729) Please consider the environment before you print this email. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and attachments are strictly privileged, private and confidential and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If this transmission is received in error please kindly return it to the sender and delete this message from your system. -- Best Regards, * Stephen P. Davidson* *(954) 552-7956 %28954%29%20552-7956 *sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com *Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic* - Arthur C. Clarke http://www.3danimationmagic.com
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No it's dead all over the globe :). Italy, Serbia, England... On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Halim Negadi hneg...@gmail.com wrote: The webinar just stopped and I cant' get it back.. It's all bullshit but am I the only one not accessing it anymore ? On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Stephen Davidson magic...@bellsouth.netwrote: It is also quite clear that both the visual effects and games businesses are going through significant transitions: both from a business model and a technology perspective. Are they referring to this? http://www.hollywoodendingmovie.com/ Is this a reaction to the unsustainable business model of effects houses? just trying to understand their response. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Alastair Hearsum hear...@glassworks.co.uk wrote: Hello Following this article http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-reaction-autodesks-decision-kill-3d-software-31410967 here is Autodesk's response http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-autodesk-responds-31411033 Alastair -- Alastair Hearsum Head of 3d [image: GLASSWORKS] 33/34 Great Pulteney Street London W1F 9NP +44 (0)20 7434 1182 glassworks.co.uk http://www.glassworks.co.uk/ Glassworks Terms and Conditions of Sale can be found at glassworks.co.uk (Company registered in England with number 04759979. Registered office 25 Harley Street, London, W1G 9BR. VAT registration number: 86729) Please consider the environment before you print this email. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and attachments are strictly privileged, private and confidential and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If this transmission is received in error please kindly return it to the sender and delete this message from your system. -- Best Regards, * Stephen P. Davidson* *(954) 552-7956 %28954%29%20552-7956 * sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com *Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic* - Arthur C. Clarke http://www.3danimationmagic.com -- Ivan Vasiljevic - Lighting TD Founder, Digital Asset Tailors - reel:https://vimeo.com/72183649 web:www.ivasiljevic.com email: i...@digitalassettailors.com ivan_vasilje...@hotmail.com
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Colombia froze also, have and had to re-stream from the beginning. From: Oscar Juarez Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 11:35 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com I cant access it either On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Halim Negadi hneg...@gmail.com wrote: The webinar just stopped and I cant' get it back.. It's all bullshit but am I the only one not accessing it anymore ? On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Stephen Davidson magic...@bellsouth.net wrote: It is also quite clear that both the visual effects and games businesses are going through significant transitions: both from a business model and a technology perspective. Are they referring to this? http://www.hollywoodendingmovie.com/ Is this a reaction to the unsustainable business model of effects houses? just trying to understand their response. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Alastair Hearsum hear...@glassworks.co.uk wrote: Hello Following this article http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-reaction-autodesks-decision-kill-3d-software-31410967 here is Autodesk's response http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-autodesk-responds-31411033 Alastair -- Alastair Hearsum Head of 3d GLASSWORKS 33/34 Great Pulteney Street London W1F 9NP +44 (0)20 7434 1182 glassworks.co.uk Glassworks Terms and Conditions of Sale can be found at glassworks.co.uk (Company registered in England with number 04759979. Registered office 25 Harley Street, London, W1G 9BR. VAT registration number: 86729) Please consider the environment before you print this email. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and attachments are strictly privileged, private and confidential and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If this transmission is received in error please kindly return it to the sender and delete this message from your system. -- Best Regards, Stephen P. Davidson (954) 552-7956 sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic - Arthur C. Clarke
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Only fitting that it crashed... ;) -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
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Here in Germany doesnt even start from the beginning. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 5:36 PM, Andres Stephens drais...@outlook.comwrote: Colombia froze also, have and had to re-stream from the beginning. *From:* Oscar Juarez tridi.animei...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, March 17, 2014 11:35 *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com I cant access it either On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Halim Negadi hneg...@gmail.com wrote: The webinar just stopped and I cant' get it back.. It's all bullshit but am I the only one not accessing it anymore ? On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 5:20 PM, Stephen Davidson magic...@bellsouth.net wrote: It is also quite clear that both the visual effects and games businesses are going through significant transitions: both from a business model and a technology perspective. Are they referring to this? http://www.hollywoodendingmovie.com/ Is this a reaction to the unsustainable business model of effects houses? just trying to understand their response. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Alastair Hearsum hear...@glassworks.co.uk wrote: Hello Following this article http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-reaction-autodesks-decision-kill-3d-software-31410967 here is Autodesk's response http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-autodesk-responds-31411033 Alastair -- Alastair Hearsum Head of 3d [image: GLASSWORKS] 33/34 Great Pulteney Street London W1F 9NP +44 (0)20 7434 1182 glassworks.co.uk http://www.glassworks.co.uk/ Glassworks Terms and Conditions of Sale can be found at glassworks.co.uk (Company registered in England with number 04759979. Registered office 25 Harley Street, London, W1G 9BR. VAT registration number: 86729) Please consider the environment before you print this email. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and attachments are strictly privileged, private and confidential and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If this transmission is received in error please kindly return it to the sender and delete this message from your system. -- Best Regards, * Stephen P. Davidson* *(954) 552-7956 %28954%29%20552-7956 * sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com *Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic* - Arthur C. Clarke http://www.3danimationmagic.com
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I guess I'll go back to watching more Modo videos. Thanks Autodesk for giving me more time to devote to researching other non-Autodesk options. Blew it again! On 3/17/2014 12:39 PM, Leendert A. Hartog wrote: Only fitting that it crashed... ;) -- Dan Pejril Upbeat Unique Entertainment www.UpbeatUnique.com
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*We are having technical difficulties with the streaming component, we are continuing with the recording and will post the session when the recording has finished.* On 17 March 2014 16:40, Dan Pejril d...@upbeatunique.com wrote: I guess I'll go back to watching more Modo videos. Thanks Autodesk for giving me more time to devote to researching other non-Autodesk options. Blew it again! On 3/17/2014 12:39 PM, Leendert A. Hartog wrote: Only fitting that it crashed... ;) -- Dan Pejril Upbeat Unique Entertainment www.UpbeatUnique.com
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In the site: We are having technical difficulties with the streaming component, we are continuing with the recording and will post the session when the recording has finished. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 5:40 PM, Dan Pejril d...@upbeatunique.com wrote: I guess I'll go back to watching more Modo videos. Thanks Autodesk for giving me more time to devote to researching other non-Autodesk options. Blew it again! On 3/17/2014 12:39 PM, Leendert A. Hartog wrote: Only fitting that it crashed... ;) -- Dan Pejril Upbeat Unique Entertainment www.UpbeatUnique.com
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live qa? way to dodge questions a _ From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Richard Costin Sent: 17 March 2014 16:42 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk response We are having technical difficulties with the streaming component, we are continuing with the recording and will post the session when the recording has finished. On 17 March 2014 16:40, Dan Pejril d...@upbeatunique.com wrote: I guess I'll go back to watching more Modo videos. Thanks Autodesk for giving me more time to devote to researching other non-Autodesk options. Blew it again! On 3/17/2014 12:39 PM, Leendert A. Hartog wrote: Only fitting that it crashed... ;) -- Dan Pejril Upbeat Unique Entertainment www.UpbeatUnique.com
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Oscar Juarez schreef op 17-3-2014 17:42: We are having technical difficulties with the streaming component, we are continuing with the recording and will post the session when the recording has finished. Which was what they should have done in the first place. Better yet: write it down and publish it as a pdf. -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
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That is the biggest pile of public smoothing, incencere, damage control bullshit I have read in a long time. Maurice - I understand you have been sent out by your employer to put out the wildfires, but this public response does not do you any credit. We must give Kerrie Hughes the facts of this whole affair, plus 5 or 10 hard questions for Autodesk to answer in public. They still refuse to adress the fact that they killed off the tecnologically strongest platform leaving a siginificant userbase with much poorer alternatives for the future. Morten Den 17. marts 2014 kl. 16:04 skrev Alastair Hearsum hear...@glassworks.co.uk: Following this article http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-reaction-autodesks-decision-kill-3d-software-31410967 http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-reaction-autodesks-decision-kill-3d-software-31410967 here is Autodesk's response http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-autodesk-responds-31411033 http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-autodesk-responds-31411033 Alastair -- Alastair Hearsum Head of 3d [GLASSWORKS] 33/34 Great Pulteney Street London W1F 9NP +44 (0)20 7434 1182 glassworks.co.uk http://www.glassworks.co.uk/ Glassworks Terms and Conditions of Sale can be found at glassworks.co.uk (Company registered in England with number 04759979. Registered office 25 Harley Street, London, W1G 9BR. VAT registration number: 86729) Please consider the environment before you print this email. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and attachments are strictly privileged, private and confidential and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If this transmission is received in error please kindly return it to the sender and delete this message from your system.
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Seems the EFX business is not the only area plagued in the movie business http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/03/16/Hammer-Falls-Political-Flops-Again-Set-To-Cost-Sony-And-Film-Industry On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Stephen Davidson magic...@bellsouth.netwrote: It is also quite clear that both the visual effects and games businesses are going through significant transitions: both from a business model and a technology perspective. Are they referring to this? http://www.hollywoodendingmovie.com/ Is this a reaction to the unsustainable business model of effects houses? just trying to understand their response. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Alastair Hearsum hear...@glassworks.co.uk wrote: Hello Following this article http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-reaction-autodesks-decision-kill-3d-software-31410967 here is Autodesk's response http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-autodesk-responds-31411033 Alastair -- Alastair Hearsum Head of 3d [image: GLASSWORKS] 33/34 Great Pulteney Street London W1F 9NP +44 (0)20 7434 1182 glassworks.co.uk http://www.glassworks.co.uk/ Glassworks Terms and Conditions of Sale can be found at glassworks.co.uk (Company registered in England with number 04759979. Registered office 25 Harley Street, London, W1G 9BR. VAT registration number: 86729) Please consider the environment before you print this email. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and attachments are strictly privileged, private and confidential and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If this transmission is received in error please kindly return it to the sender and delete this message from your system. -- Best Regards, * Stephen P. Davidson* *(954) 552-7956 %28954%29%20552-7956*sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com *Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic* - Arthur C. Clarke http://www.3danimationmagic.com -- Best Regards, * Stephen P. Davidson* *(954) 552-7956*sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com *Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic* - Arthur C. Clarke http://www.3danimationmagic.com
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Well if they don't want to support it anymore, why don't they auction it off ? in fact they should really be legally obligated. On 17 March 2014 17:46, Stephen Davidson magic...@bellsouth.net wrote: Seems the EFX business is not the only area plagued in the movie business http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollywood/2014/03/16/Hammer-Falls-Political-Flops-Again-Set-To-Cost-Sony-And-Film-Industry On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 12:20 PM, Stephen Davidson magic...@bellsouth.net wrote: It is also quite clear that both the visual effects and games businesses are going through significant transitions: both from a business model and a technology perspective. Are they referring to this? http://www.hollywoodendingmovie.com/ Is this a reaction to the unsustainable business model of effects houses? just trying to understand their response. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 11:04 AM, Alastair Hearsum hear...@glassworks.co.uk wrote: Hello Following this article http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-reaction-autodesks-decision-kill-3d-software-31410967 here is Autodesk's response http://www.creativebloq.com/3d/rip-softimage-autodesk-responds-31411033 Alastair -- Alastair Hearsum Head of 3d [image: GLASSWORKS] 33/34 Great Pulteney Street London W1F 9NP +44 (0)20 7434 1182 glassworks.co.uk http://www.glassworks.co.uk/ Glassworks Terms and Conditions of Sale can be found at glassworks.co.uk (Company registered in England with number 04759979. Registered office 25 Harley Street, London, W1G 9BR. VAT registration number: 86729) Please consider the environment before you print this email. DISCLAIMER: This e-mail and attachments are strictly privileged, private and confidential and are intended solely for the stated recipient(s). Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of the Company. If you are not the intended recipient, be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing, or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. If this transmission is received in error please kindly return it to the sender and delete this message from your system. -- Best Regards, * Stephen P. Davidson* *(954) 552-7956 %28954%29%20552-7956 * sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com *Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic* - Arthur C. Clarke http://www.3danimationmagic.com -- Best Regards, * Stephen P. Davidson* *(954) 552-7956 %28954%29%20552-7956*sdavid...@3danimationmagic.com *Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic* - Arthur C. Clarke http://www.3danimationmagic.com
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Just to be clear here, the only reason Glassworks have been the only big name co to voice their concerns, is because all the others knew this was coming? And also just to be clear, the comment from Maurice Patel Our plans included pre-briefing Softimage customers with a significant ongoing investment in our software prior to the March 4... This refers to companys with a significant ongoing investment, which is basically talking about company's most valuable to AD. Can they not see that Softimage is used by an extremely broad user base because it is a one stop solution. My company is small, but it's investment in Softimage is as significant as any of the big facilities in that it's future relies on Softimage. But in terms of how valuable my company is to Autodesk, then that's become pretty clear. I'm feeling more angry by the minute! -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINDtlPXmmE i'm mad as hell! _ From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Marshall Sent: 17 March 2014 17:53 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Autodesk response Just to be clear here, the only reason Glassworks have been the only big name co to voice their concerns, is because all the others knew this was coming? And also just to be clear, the comment from Maurice Patel Our plans included pre-briefing Softimage customers with a significant ongoing investment in our software prior to the March 4... This refers to companys with a significant ongoing investment, which is basically talking about company's most valuable to AD. Can they not see that Softimage is used by an extremely broad user base because it is a one stop solution. My company is small, but it's investment in Softimage is as significant as any of the big facilities in that it's future relies on Softimage. But in terms of how valuable my company is to Autodesk, then that's become pretty clear. I'm feeling more angry by the minute! -- http://mintmotion.co.uk/img/mint.png Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk
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Everyone who uses Softimage has a 'Significant ongoing investment' in it!!! Aaarrrgggh On Monday, 17 March 2014, adrian wyer adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com wrote: Network - Mad as Hell Scenehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINDtlPXmmE i'm mad as hell! -- *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com');[mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com');] *On Behalf Of *Chris Marshall *Sent:* 17 March 2014 17:53 *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','softimage@listproc.autodesk.com'); *Subject:* Autodesk response Just to be clear here, the only reason Glassworks have been the only big name co to voice their concerns, is because all the others knew this was coming? And also just to be clear, the comment from Maurice Patel Our plans included pre-briefing Softimage customers with a significant ongoing investment in our software prior to the March 4... This refers to companys with a significant ongoing investment, which is basically talking about company's most valuable to AD. Can they not see that Softimage is used by an extremely broad user base because it is a one stop solution. My company is small, but it's investment in Softimage is as significant as any of the big facilities in that it's future relies on Softimage. But in terms of how valuable my company is to Autodesk, then that's become pretty clear. I'm feeling more angry by the minute! -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk
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As a hobbyist I can only say: indeed! Chris Marshall schreef op 17-3-2014 19:04: Everyone who uses Softimage has a 'Significant ongoing investment' in it!!! Aaarrrgggh -- Leendert A. Hartog – Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue – Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
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Honestly small shops and individuals are really a bit harder to make big investments than bigger shops. It is like.. if 100 licences are really like 20% of monthly income for big shop (just example numbers no idea of real one) and for freelancer it makes like 200% of monthly income.. yes like working 2 months just to buy licence, it can be even harder than that) than who made more investment relatively speaking? On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Leendert A. Hartog hirazib...@live.nlwrote: As a hobbyist I can only say: indeed! Chris Marshall schreef op 17-3-2014 19:04: Everyone who uses Softimage has a 'Significant ongoing investment' in it!!! Aaarrrgggh -- Leendert A. Hartog - Softimage hobbyist AKA Hirazi Blue - Administrator @, NOT the owner of si-community.com
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It's people like us that are going to get hit the hardest, not the big shops. Retraining whilst still trying to keep the work going through, is going to be very very difficult, dare I say, almost impossible. But hey, we don't have a significant investment in Softimage, so that's ok! On Monday, 17 March 2014, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: +1000 El lunes, 17 de marzo de 2014, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com'); escribió: Honestly small shops and individuals are really a bit harder to make big investments than bigger shops. -- --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk
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At the rate this whole comunication is going now in the list, maybe I know why they developed the new chat cube -- --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation.
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Don't want to argue who's suffering more, the big shops or the small one. But nonetheless, I feel like a passive actor in a gay porno... Le 17/03/2014 19:45, Chris Marshall a écrit : It's people like us that are going to get hit the hardest, not the big shops. Retraining whilst still trying to keep the work going through, is going to be very very difficult, dare I say, almost impossible. But hey, we don't have a significant investment in Softimage, so that's ok! On Monday, 17 March 2014, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com mailto:emi...@e-roja.com wrote: +1000 El lunes, 17 de marzo de 2014, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com'); escribió: Honestly small shops and individuals are really a bit harder to make big investments than bigger shops. -- --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk http://www.mintmotion.co.uk
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I cried so hard I laughed .. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 17, 2014, at 1:48 PM, olivier jeannel olivier.jean...@noos.fr wrote: Don't want to argue who's suffering more, the big shops or the small one. But nonetheless, I feel like a passive actor in a gay porno... Le 17/03/2014 19:45, Chris Marshall a écrit : It's people like us that are going to get hit the hardest, not the big shops. Retraining whilst still trying to keep the work going through, is going to be very very difficult, dare I say, almost impossible. But hey, we don't have a significant investment in Softimage, so that's ok! On Monday, 17 March 2014, Emilio Hernandez emi...@e-roja.com wrote: +1000 El lunes, 17 de marzo de 2014, Mirko Jankovic mirkoj.anima...@gmail.com escribió: Honestly small shops and individuals are really a bit harder to make big investments than bigger shops. -- --- Emilio Hernández VFX 3D animation. -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk
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The idea of prewarnings, is for exactly that.. letting bigger shops in to the decision start transitions first, gives a feeling of preferential treatment, not much room to dissaprove when it all silent and top secret, so you go ahead saying.. darn, but what other choice? And when it all comes out, not only do the prewarned (with the loudest voices) not speak-out (already transitioned halfway) but then serve as example leaders, more-or-less willingly leading the way to the better way! Yay! On 03/17/14 13:53, Chris Marshall wrote: Just to be clear here, the only reason Glassworks have been the only big name co to voice their concerns, is because all the others knew this was coming? And also just to be clear, the comment from Maurice Patel Our plans included pre-briefing Softimage customers with a significant ongoing investment in our software prior to the March 4... This refers to companys with a significant ongoing investment, which is basically talking about company's most valuable to AD. Can they not see that Softimage is used by an extremely broad user base because it is a one stop solution. My company is small, but it's investment in Softimage is as significant as any of the big facilities in that it's future relies on Softimage. But in terms of how valuable my company is to Autodesk, then that's become pretty clear. I'm feeling more angry by the minute! -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk http://www.mintmotion.co.uk
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I just cried, and kept on crying On Monday, 17 March 2014, Greg Punchatz g...@janimation.com wrote: I cried so hard I laughed .. Sent from my iPhone On Mar 17, 2014, at 1:48 PM, olivier jeannel olivier.jean...@noos.frjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','olivier.jean...@noos.fr'); wrote: Don't want to argue who's suffering more, the big shops or the small one. But nonetheless, I feel like a passive actor in a gay porno... Le 17/03/2014 19:45, Chris Marshall a écrit : It's people like us that are going to get hit the hardest, not the big shops. Retraining whilst still trying to keep the work going through, is going to be very very difficult, dare I say, almost impossible. But hey, we don't have a significant investment in Softimage, so that's ok! -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk
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It's also so you can get then to sign gagging contracts. On 17 Mar 2014, at 19:16, Jason S jasonsta...@gmail.com wrote: The idea of prewarnings, is for exactly that.. letting bigger shops in to the decision start transitions first, gives a feeling of preferential treatment, not much room to dissaprove when it all silent and top secret, so you go ahead saying.. darn, but what other choice? And when it all comes out, not only do the prewarned (with the loudest voices) not speak-out (already transitioned halfway) but then serve as example leaders, more-or-less willingly leading the way to the better way! Yay! On 03/17/14 13:53, Chris Marshall wrote: Just to be clear here, the only reason Glassworks have been the only big name co to voice their concerns, is because all the others knew this was coming? And also just to be clear, the comment from Maurice Patel Our plans included pre-briefing Softimage customers with a significant ongoing investment in our software prior to the March 4... This refers to companys with a significant ongoing investment, which is basically talking about company's most valuable to AD. Can they not see that Softimage is used by an extremely broad user base because it is a one stop solution. My company is small, but it's investment in Softimage is as significant as any of the big facilities in that it's future relies on Softimage. But in terms of how valuable my company is to Autodesk, then that's become pretty clear. I'm feeling more angry by the minute! -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk
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That's not a response. That's just an another announcement. It's really shame that Maurice only put excuses without mentioning a real thing. And what an ignorance. They approached other big Softimage studio to consider Maya or Max from year ago bug Glasswork? because Glasswork might be smaller than that?... Wow that was really bad comment. As I said earlier, there will be no more AD products in my pipeline from now on. I am so sick of watching this greedy drama from enterprise and don't want to be a part of them. Just f@@k you AD! --- Daniel Kim Animation Director Professional 3D Generalist http://www.danielkim3d.com ---
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I think it would be insane that XSI users have anything with AD, after all this. I know that many do not have choice but jump with Maya... I would invest these two years to push developer of MODO, Houdini or Fabric than give anything to AD. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 9:13 PM, Daniel Kim danielki...@gmail.com wrote: That's not a response. That's just an another announcement. It's really shame that Maurice only put excuses without mentioning a real thing. And what an ignorance. They approached other big Softimage studio to consider Maya or Max from year ago bug Glasswork? because Glasswork might be smaller than that?... Wow that was really bad comment. As I said earlier, there will be no more AD products in my pipeline from now on. I am so sick of watching this greedy drama from enterprise and don't want to be a part of them. Just f@@k you AD! --- Daniel Kim Animation Director Professional 3D Generalist http://www.danielkim3d.com --- -- Micic Srecko --- Mail: srecko.mi...@gmail.com Skype:srecko.micic --- 3D/Graphic Portfolio: http://www.coroflot.com/SreckoM
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ok, that feels better... the old dear next door looks worried though. A. _ http://www.linkedin.com/in/adamseeleyuk https://vimeo.com/adamseeley From: adrian wyer adrian.w...@fluid-pictures.com To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Sent: Monday, 17 March 2014, 17:57 Subject: RE: Autodesk response https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WINDtlPXmmE i'm mad as hell! From:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Chris Marshall Sent: 17 March 2014 17:53 To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Autodesk response Just to be clear here, the only reason Glassworks have been the only big name co to voice their concerns, is because all the others knew this was coming? And also just to be clear, the comment from Maurice Patel Our plans included pre-briefing Softimage customers with a significant ongoing investment in our software prior to the March 4... This refers to companys with a significant ongoing investment, which is basically talking about company's most valuable to AD. Can they not see that Softimage is used by an extremely broad user base because it is a one stop solution. My company is small, but it's investment in Softimage is as significant as any of the big facilities in that it's future relies on Softimage. But in terms of how valuable my company is to Autodesk, then that's become pretty clear. I'm feeling more angry by the minute! -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk
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there was a similar statement when combustion was killed. From: Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES] Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 6:05 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: RE: Autodesk response Am I to understand that AD thinks that those people who refused to be subjected to AD’s unreasonable penalties for lapse in maintenance are somehow to blame for Softimage’s demise? -- Joey Ponthieux __ Opinions stated here-in are strictly those of the author and do not represent the opinions of NASA or any other party. From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yargici Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 11:28 AM To: davidsa...@sfr.fr; softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk response For example, only a small proportion of our Softimage customers are actually current on the Softimage software. Many are using older versions. These customers will be able to continue to do so in perpetuity. Given that they are productive using older versions of the software, this decision should not significantly impact that productivity. For customers who have built their production capacity around staying current with our releases there are several options including locking their pipelines on Softimage 2015 indefinitely or transitioning to a Maya or 3ds Max pipeline. These people are not happy they're still on older versions, it's the stagnation of development under Autodesk that's kept them there. I'm sorry, but this is a shameful misrepresentation of the facts, Maurice. DAN On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 5:24 PM, David Saber davidsa...@sfr.fr wrote: That's not a response to the open letters. No word about how XSI is an asset in production thanks to its fast workflow, and how Autodesk intends to find a replacement. Once again, Softimage is NOT only ICE, so bifrost cannot be a replacement for Softimage.
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On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES] j.ponthi...@nasa.gov wrote: Am I to understand that AD thinks that those people who refused to be subjected to AD's unreasonable penalties for lapse in maintenance are somehow to blame for Softimage's demise? gosh, no, that's not what that quote says. At this point people are just making up their own article From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yargici Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 11:28 AM To: davidsa...@sfr.fr; softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk response For example, only a small proportion of our Softimage customers are actually current on the Softimage software. Many are using older versions. These customers will be able to continue to do so in perpetuity. Given that they are productive using older versions of the software, this decision should not significantly impact that productivity. For customers who have built their production capacity around staying current with our releases there are several options including locking their pipelines on Softimage 2015 indefinitely or transitioning to a Maya or 3ds Max pipeline. These people are not happy they're still on older versions, it's the stagnation of development under Autodesk that's kept them there. I'm sorry, but this is a shameful misrepresentation of the facts, Maurice. DAN On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 5:24 PM, David Saber davidsa...@sfr.fr wrote: That's not a response to the open letters. No word about how XSI is an asset in production thanks to its fast workflow, and how Autodesk intends to find a replacement. Once again, Softimage is NOT only ICE, so bifrost cannot be a replacement for Softimage.
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Sure, we are all collectively 'tripping' right? On 17 Mar 2014 22:20, Luc-Eric Rousseau luceri...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Ponthieux, Joseph G. (LARC-E1A)[LITES] j.ponthi...@nasa.gov wrote: Am I to understand that AD thinks that those people who refused to be subjected to AD's unreasonable penalties for lapse in maintenance are somehow to blame for Softimage's demise? gosh, no, that's not what that quote says. At this point people are just making up their own article From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Dan Yargici Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 11:28 AM To: davidsa...@sfr.fr; softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk response For example, only a small proportion of our Softimage customers are actually current on the Softimage software. Many are using older versions. These customers will be able to continue to do so in perpetuity. Given that they are productive using older versions of the software, this decision should not significantly impact that productivity. For customers who have built their production capacity around staying current with our releases there are several options including locking their pipelines on Softimage 2015 indefinitely or transitioning to a Maya or 3ds Max pipeline. These people are not happy they're still on older versions, it's the stagnation of development under Autodesk that's kept them there. I'm sorry, but this is a shameful misrepresentation of the facts, Maurice. DAN On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 5:24 PM, David Saber davidsa...@sfr.fr wrote: That's not a response to the open letters. No word about how XSI is an asset in production thanks to its fast workflow, and how Autodesk intends to find a replacement. Once again, Softimage is NOT only ICE, so bifrost cannot be a replacement for Softimage.
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Lets make something very clear here. A) big shops might not be voicing their concerns for reasons other than some of the utterly retarded conspiracy theories that are emerging. Reasons might be that CEOs and producers in a place big enough simply DO NOT give enough of a damn about this, or that they are not a bunch of fanatics but they deal with business the way business is dealt with, or even that it's not infrequent for shops having a no vendor bias policy which extends to publicity, positive or negative, of any kind tied to a specific vendor. B) the forewarning was a small handful of weeks for the luckiest, as short as 10 days for those at the end of it, and many were simply left out out of sheer incompetence (See Glassworks). C) the shops you mention might be considering to flip the finger to AD as well. As usual I can't speak for, or even imply what is going on in, Animal Logic, but I know first hand that more than a place was already trying their absolute hardest to marginalize as much as possible integration of AD products. Do you think how this latest move was handled is helping? D) Last but not least, I don't know where this dysfunctional theory some people seem to have that big shops get bribed by vendors to promote things to the peons. Sure, it sporadically happened in the past, especially in SGI days, but ultimately the margins in VFX and Feature Animation are so small you have no idea. The singular sole priority in any big shop is to work as efficiently as possible financially. If it involves using AD products AD itself could be helmed by Satan and have a side-trade of illegal arms contraband and AD products would still be bought. If working with AD is potentially financially damaging, given how small the cost of software itself in a pipe is these days when the pipe is wide and long enough, many birds would be instantaneously flipped at AD. Honestly guys, get a grip. There's no conspiracy theory, just some people are a lot more rational and more divested across resources than those frothing over it. It doesn't mean they aren't saddened, or suddenly even more concerned about AD's client policies, but they don't all have XSI tattoos on their buttocks. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:16 AM, Jason S jasonsta...@gmail.com wrote: The idea of prewarnings, is for exactly that.. letting bigger shops in to the decision start transitions first, gives a feeling of preferential treatment, not much room to dissaprove when it all silent and top secret, so you go ahead saying.. darn, but what other choice? And when it all comes out, not only do the prewarned (with the loudest voices) not speak-out (already transitioned halfway) but then serve as example leaders, more-or-less willingly leading the way to the better way! Yay!
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You mean, they don't *ALL* have the XSI tattoo?!?!? Weird!! On Monday, 17 March 2014, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.com wrote: Lets make something very clear here. A) big shops might not be voicing their concerns for reasons other than some of the utterly retarded conspiracy theories that are emerging. Reasons might be that CEOs and producers in a place big enough simply DO NOT give enough of a damn about this, or that they are not a bunch of fanatics but they deal with business the way business is dealt with, or even that it's not infrequent for shops having a no vendor bias policy which extends to publicity, positive or negative, of any kind tied to a specific vendor. B) the forewarning was a small handful of weeks for the luckiest, as short as 10 days for those at the end of it, and many were simply left out out of sheer incompetence (See Glassworks). C) the shops you mention might be considering to flip the finger to AD as well. As usual I can't speak for, or even imply what is going on in, Animal Logic, but I know first hand that more than a place was already trying their absolute hardest to marginalize as much as possible integration of AD products. Do you think how this latest move was handled is helping? D) Last but not least, I don't know where this dysfunctional theory some people seem to have that big shops get bribed by vendors to promote things to the peons. Sure, it sporadically happened in the past, especially in SGI days, but ultimately the margins in VFX and Feature Animation are so small you have no idea. The singular sole priority in any big shop is to work as efficiently as possible financially. If it involves using AD products AD itself could be helmed by Satan and have a side-trade of illegal arms contraband and AD products would still be bought. If working with AD is potentially financially damaging, given how small the cost of software itself in a pipe is these days when the pipe is wide and long enough, many birds would be instantaneously flipped at AD. Honestly guys, get a grip. There's no conspiracy theory, just some people are a lot more rational and more divested across resources than those frothing over it. It doesn't mean they aren't saddened, or suddenly even more concerned about AD's client policies, but they don't all have XSI tattoos on their buttocks. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:16 AM, Jason S jasonsta...@gmail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jasonsta...@gmail.com'); wrote: The idea of prewarnings, is for exactly that.. letting bigger shops in to the decision start transitions first, gives a feeling of preferential treatment, not much room to dissaprove when it all silent and top secret, so you go ahead saying.. darn, but what other choice? And when it all comes out, not only do the prewarned (with the loudest voices) not speak-out (already transitioned halfway) but then serve as example leaders, more-or-less willingly leading the way to the better way! Yay! -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk
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i stiil have my xsi tatoo souvenir, and thinking seriously in doing one on myself for real. F. On Monday, March 17, 2014, Chris Marshall chrismarshal...@gmail.com wrote: You mean, they don't *ALL* have the XSI tattoo?!?!? Weird!! On Monday, 17 March 2014, Raffaele Fragapane raffsxsil...@googlemail.comjavascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','raffsxsil...@googlemail.com'); wrote: Lets make something very clear here. A) big shops might not be voicing their concerns for reasons other than some of the utterly retarded conspiracy theories that are emerging. Reasons might be that CEOs and producers in a place big enough simply DO NOT give enough of a damn about this, or that they are not a bunch of fanatics but they deal with business the way business is dealt with, or even that it's not infrequent for shops having a no vendor bias policy which extends to publicity, positive or negative, of any kind tied to a specific vendor. B) the forewarning was a small handful of weeks for the luckiest, as short as 10 days for those at the end of it, and many were simply left out out of sheer incompetence (See Glassworks). C) the shops you mention might be considering to flip the finger to AD as well. As usual I can't speak for, or even imply what is going on in, Animal Logic, but I know first hand that more than a place was already trying their absolute hardest to marginalize as much as possible integration of AD products. Do you think how this latest move was handled is helping? D) Last but not least, I don't know where this dysfunctional theory some people seem to have that big shops get bribed by vendors to promote things to the peons. Sure, it sporadically happened in the past, especially in SGI days, but ultimately the margins in VFX and Feature Animation are so small you have no idea. The singular sole priority in any big shop is to work as efficiently as possible financially. If it involves using AD products AD itself could be helmed by Satan and have a side-trade of illegal arms contraband and AD products would still be bought. If working with AD is potentially financially damaging, given how small the cost of software itself in a pipe is these days when the pipe is wide and long enough, many birds would be instantaneously flipped at AD. Honestly guys, get a grip. There's no conspiracy theory, just some people are a lot more rational and more divested across resources than those frothing over it. It doesn't mean they aren't saddened, or suddenly even more concerned about AD's client policies, but they don't all have XSI tattoos on their buttocks. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:16 AM, Jason S jasonsta...@gmail.com wrote: The idea of prewarnings, is for exactly that.. letting bigger shops in to the decision start transitions first, gives a feeling of preferential treatment, not much room to dissaprove when it all silent and top secret, so you go ahead saying.. darn, but what other choice? And when it all comes out, not only do the prewarned (with the loudest voices) not speak-out (already transitioned halfway) but then serve as example leaders, more-or-less willingly leading the way to the better way! Yay! -- Chris Marshall Mint Motion Limited 029 20 37 27 57 07730 533 115 www.mintmotion.co.uk
RE: Autodesk response
In response to 'B', Autodesk showed up at our office the very moment the news went live to everybody else. In essence, we didn't get any warning either. We were told we're one of the larger Softimage customers. No NDA's, roadmaps to the future, or anything else. Just, Hey, Soft is EOL. We'll toss you some Max and/or Maya licenses at no extra cost to help you along for the next 2 years, after which you can no longer use Soft. Any questions?. This is before the policy of ending use of Softimage after Feb 1, 2016 was revised, of course. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Raffaele Fragapane Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 3:44 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk response Lets make something very clear here. A) big shops might not be voicing their concerns for reasons other than some of the utterly retarded conspiracy theories that are emerging. Reasons might be that CEOs and producers in a place big enough simply DO NOT give enough of a damn about this, or that they are not a bunch of fanatics but they deal with business the way business is dealt with, or even that it's not infrequent for shops having a no vendor bias policy which extends to publicity, positive or negative, of any kind tied to a specific vendor. B) the forewarning was a small handful of weeks for the luckiest, as short as 10 days for those at the end of it, and many were simply left out out of sheer incompetence (See Glassworks). C) the shops you mention might be considering to flip the finger to AD as well. As usual I can't speak for, or even imply what is going on in, Animal Logic, but I know first hand that more than a place was already trying their absolute hardest to marginalize as much as possible integration of AD products. Do you think how this latest move was handled is helping? D) Last but not least, I don't know where this dysfunctional theory some people seem to have that big shops get bribed by vendors to promote things to the peons. Sure, it sporadically happened in the past, especially in SGI days, but ultimately the margins in VFX and Feature Animation are so small you have no idea. The singular sole priority in any big shop is to work as efficiently as possible financially. If it involves using AD products AD itself could be helmed by Satan and have a side-trade of illegal arms contraband and AD products would still be bought. If working with AD is potentially financially damaging, given how small the cost of software itself in a pipe is these days when the pipe is wide and long enough, many birds would be instantaneously flipped at AD. Honestly guys, get a grip. There's no conspiracy theory, just some people are a lot more rational and more divested across resources than those frothing over it. It doesn't mean they aren't saddened, or suddenly even more concerned about AD's client policies, but they don't all have XSI tattoos on their buttocks. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:16 AM, Jason S jasonsta...@gmail.commailto:jasonsta...@gmail.com wrote: The idea of prewarnings, is for exactly that.. letting bigger shops in to the decision start transitions first, gives a feeling of preferential treatment, not much room to dissaprove when it all silent and top secret, so you go ahead saying.. darn, but what other choice? And when it all comes out, not only do the prewarned (with the loudest voices) not speak-out (already transitioned halfway) but then serve as example leaders, more-or-less willingly leading the way to the better way! Yay!
Re: Autodesk response
Matt, Considering your previous emails about retaining legacy, I got the notion you didn't know until the last minute since you were still writing emails about date integrity. What are you guys planning to do? -Lu On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com wrote: In response to 'B', Autodesk showed up at our office the very moment the news went live to everybody else. In essence, we didn't get any warning either. We were told we're one of the larger Softimage customers. No NDA's, roadmaps to the future, or anything else. Just, Hey, Soft is EOL. We'll toss you some Max and/or Maya licenses at no extra cost to help you along for the next 2 years, after which you can no longer use Soft. Any questions?. This is before the policy of ending use of Softimage after Feb 1, 2016 was revised, of course. Matt *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Raffaele Fragapane *Sent:* Monday, March 17, 2014 3:44 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Autodesk response Lets make something very clear here. A) big shops might not be voicing their concerns for reasons other than some of the utterly retarded conspiracy theories that are emerging. Reasons might be that CEOs and producers in a place big enough simply DO NOT give enough of a damn about this, or that they are not a bunch of fanatics but they deal with business the way business is dealt with, or even that it's not infrequent for shops having a no vendor bias policy which extends to publicity, positive or negative, of any kind tied to a specific vendor. B) the forewarning was a small handful of weeks for the luckiest, as short as 10 days for those at the end of it, and many were simply left out out of sheer incompetence (See Glassworks). C) the shops you mention might be considering to flip the finger to AD as well. As usual I can't speak for, or even imply what is going on in, Animal Logic, but I know first hand that more than a place was already trying their absolute hardest to marginalize as much as possible integration of AD products. Do you think how this latest move was handled is helping? D) Last but not least, I don't know where this dysfunctional theory some people seem to have that big shops get bribed by vendors to promote things to the peons. Sure, it sporadically happened in the past, especially in SGI days, but ultimately the margins in VFX and Feature Animation are so small you have no idea. The singular sole priority in any big shop is to work as efficiently as possible financially. If it involves using AD products AD itself could be helmed by Satan and have a side-trade of illegal arms contraband and AD products would still be bought. If working with AD is potentially financially damaging, given how small the cost of software itself in a pipe is these days when the pipe is wide and long enough, many birds would be instantaneously flipped at AD. Honestly guys, get a grip. There's no conspiracy theory, just some people are a lot more rational and more divested across resources than those frothing over it. It doesn't mean they aren't saddened, or suddenly even more concerned about AD's client policies, but they don't all have XSI tattoos on their buttocks. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:16 AM, Jason S jasonsta...@gmail.com wrote: The idea of prewarnings, is for exactly that.. letting bigger shops in to the decision start transitions first, gives a feeling of preferential treatment, not much room to dissaprove when it all silent and top secret, so you go ahead saying.. darn, but what other choice? And when it all comes out, not only do the prewarned (with the loudest voices) not speak-out (already transitioned halfway) but then serve as example leaders, more-or-less willingly leading the way to the better way! Yay!
RE: Autodesk response
The company is 110% focused on getting Wildstar to market on our advertised release date of June 3, 2014. That's not too far off, so you can imagine where our heads are at right now. I cannot speak for the company, but if it were up to me I'd wait for the sales numbers to roll in to determine if transition is even an issue. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Meng-Yang Lu Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 4:20 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk response Matt, Considering your previous emails about retaining legacy, I got the notion you didn't know until the last minute since you were still writing emails about date integrity. What are you guys planning to do? -Lu On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.commailto:ml...@carbinestudios.com wrote: In response to 'B', Autodesk showed up at our office the very moment the news went live to everybody else. In essence, we didn't get any warning either. We were told we're one of the larger Softimage customers. No NDA's, roadmaps to the future, or anything else. Just, Hey, Soft is EOL. We'll toss you some Max and/or Maya licenses at no extra cost to help you along for the next 2 years, after which you can no longer use Soft. Any questions?. This is before the policy of ending use of Softimage after Feb 1, 2016 was revised, of course. Matt From: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] On Behalf Of Raffaele Fragapane Sent: Monday, March 17, 2014 3:44 PM To: softimage@listproc.autodesk.commailto:softimage@listproc.autodesk.com Subject: Re: Autodesk response Lets make something very clear here. A) big shops might not be voicing their concerns for reasons other than some of the utterly retarded conspiracy theories that are emerging. Reasons might be that CEOs and producers in a place big enough simply DO NOT give enough of a damn about this, or that they are not a bunch of fanatics but they deal with business the way business is dealt with, or even that it's not infrequent for shops having a no vendor bias policy which extends to publicity, positive or negative, of any kind tied to a specific vendor. B) the forewarning was a small handful of weeks for the luckiest, as short as 10 days for those at the end of it, and many were simply left out out of sheer incompetence (See Glassworks). C) the shops you mention might be considering to flip the finger to AD as well. As usual I can't speak for, or even imply what is going on in, Animal Logic, but I know first hand that more than a place was already trying their absolute hardest to marginalize as much as possible integration of AD products. Do you think how this latest move was handled is helping? D) Last but not least, I don't know where this dysfunctional theory some people seem to have that big shops get bribed by vendors to promote things to the peons. Sure, it sporadically happened in the past, especially in SGI days, but ultimately the margins in VFX and Feature Animation are so small you have no idea. The singular sole priority in any big shop is to work as efficiently as possible financially. If it involves using AD products AD itself could be helmed by Satan and have a side-trade of illegal arms contraband and AD products would still be bought. If working with AD is potentially financially damaging, given how small the cost of software itself in a pipe is these days when the pipe is wide and long enough, many birds would be instantaneously flipped at AD. Honestly guys, get a grip. There's no conspiracy theory, just some people are a lot more rational and more divested across resources than those frothing over it. It doesn't mean they aren't saddened, or suddenly even more concerned about AD's client policies, but they don't all have XSI tattoos on their buttocks. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:16 AM, Jason S jasonsta...@gmail.commailto:jasonsta...@gmail.com wrote: The idea of prewarnings, is for exactly that.. letting bigger shops in to the decision start transitions first, gives a feeling of preferential treatment, not much room to dissaprove when it all silent and top secret, so you go ahead saying.. darn, but what other choice? And when it all comes out, not only do the prewarned (with the loudest voices) not speak-out (already transitioned halfway) but then serve as example leaders, more-or-less willingly leading the way to the better way! Yay!
Re: Autodesk response
You have some fans anticipating that release. Me included. Godspeed buddy. -Lu On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com wrote: The company is 110% focused on getting Wildstar to market on our advertised release date of June 3, 2014. That's not too far off, so you can imagine where our heads are at right now. I cannot speak for the company, but if it were up to me I'd wait for the sales numbers to roll in to determine if transition is even an issue. Matt *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Meng-Yang Lu *Sent:* Monday, March 17, 2014 4:20 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Autodesk response Matt, Considering your previous emails about retaining legacy, I got the notion you didn't know until the last minute since you were still writing emails about date integrity. What are you guys planning to do? -Lu On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com wrote: In response to 'B', Autodesk showed up at our office the very moment the news went live to everybody else. In essence, we didn't get any warning either. We were told we're one of the larger Softimage customers. No NDA's, roadmaps to the future, or anything else. Just, Hey, Soft is EOL. We'll toss you some Max and/or Maya licenses at no extra cost to help you along for the next 2 years, after which you can no longer use Soft. Any questions?. This is before the policy of ending use of Softimage after Feb 1, 2016 was revised, of course. Matt *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Raffaele Fragapane *Sent:* Monday, March 17, 2014 3:44 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Autodesk response Lets make something very clear here. A) big shops might not be voicing their concerns for reasons other than some of the utterly retarded conspiracy theories that are emerging. Reasons might be that CEOs and producers in a place big enough simply DO NOT give enough of a damn about this, or that they are not a bunch of fanatics but they deal with business the way business is dealt with, or even that it's not infrequent for shops having a no vendor bias policy which extends to publicity, positive or negative, of any kind tied to a specific vendor. B) the forewarning was a small handful of weeks for the luckiest, as short as 10 days for those at the end of it, and many were simply left out out of sheer incompetence (See Glassworks). C) the shops you mention might be considering to flip the finger to AD as well. As usual I can't speak for, or even imply what is going on in, Animal Logic, but I know first hand that more than a place was already trying their absolute hardest to marginalize as much as possible integration of AD products. Do you think how this latest move was handled is helping? D) Last but not least, I don't know where this dysfunctional theory some people seem to have that big shops get bribed by vendors to promote things to the peons. Sure, it sporadically happened in the past, especially in SGI days, but ultimately the margins in VFX and Feature Animation are so small you have no idea. The singular sole priority in any big shop is to work as efficiently as possible financially. If it involves using AD products AD itself could be helmed by Satan and have a side-trade of illegal arms contraband and AD products would still be bought. If working with AD is potentially financially damaging, given how small the cost of software itself in a pipe is these days when the pipe is wide and long enough, many birds would be instantaneously flipped at AD. Honestly guys, get a grip. There's no conspiracy theory, just some people are a lot more rational and more divested across resources than those frothing over it. It doesn't mean they aren't saddened, or suddenly even more concerned about AD's client policies, but they don't all have XSI tattoos on their buttocks. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:16 AM, Jason S jasonsta...@gmail.com wrote: The idea of prewarnings, is for exactly that.. letting bigger shops in to the decision start transitions first, gives a feeling of preferential treatment, not much room to dissaprove when it all silent and top secret, so you go ahead saying.. darn, but what other choice? And when it all comes out, not only do the prewarned (with the loudest voices) not speak-out (already transitioned halfway) but then serve as example leaders, more-or-less willingly leading the way to the better way! Yay!
Re: Autodesk response
Autode$k shoot us with disguised lies, once again. On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 6:51 PM, Meng-Yang Lu ntmon...@gmail.com wrote: You have some fans anticipating that release. Me included. Godspeed buddy. -Lu On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 4:31 PM, Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.comwrote: The company is 110% focused on getting Wildstar to market on our advertised release date of June 3, 2014. That's not too far off, so you can imagine where our heads are at right now. I cannot speak for the company, but if it were up to me I'd wait for the sales numbers to roll in to determine if transition is even an issue. Matt *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Meng-Yang Lu *Sent:* Monday, March 17, 2014 4:20 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Autodesk response Matt, Considering your previous emails about retaining legacy, I got the notion you didn't know until the last minute since you were still writing emails about date integrity. What are you guys planning to do? -Lu On Mon, Mar 17, 2014 at 4:11 PM, Matt Lind ml...@carbinestudios.com wrote: In response to 'B', Autodesk showed up at our office the very moment the news went live to everybody else. In essence, we didn't get any warning either. We were told we're one of the larger Softimage customers. No NDA's, roadmaps to the future, or anything else. Just, Hey, Soft is EOL. We'll toss you some Max and/or Maya licenses at no extra cost to help you along for the next 2 years, after which you can no longer use Soft. Any questions?. This is before the policy of ending use of Softimage after Feb 1, 2016 was revised, of course. Matt *From:* softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com [mailto: softimage-boun...@listproc.autodesk.com] *On Behalf Of *Raffaele Fragapane *Sent:* Monday, March 17, 2014 3:44 PM *To:* softimage@listproc.autodesk.com *Subject:* Re: Autodesk response Lets make something very clear here. A) big shops might not be voicing their concerns for reasons other than some of the utterly retarded conspiracy theories that are emerging. Reasons might be that CEOs and producers in a place big enough simply DO NOT give enough of a damn about this, or that they are not a bunch of fanatics but they deal with business the way business is dealt with, or even that it's not infrequent for shops having a no vendor bias policy which extends to publicity, positive or negative, of any kind tied to a specific vendor. B) the forewarning was a small handful of weeks for the luckiest, as short as 10 days for those at the end of it, and many were simply left out out of sheer incompetence (See Glassworks). C) the shops you mention might be considering to flip the finger to AD as well. As usual I can't speak for, or even imply what is going on in, Animal Logic, but I know first hand that more than a place was already trying their absolute hardest to marginalize as much as possible integration of AD products. Do you think how this latest move was handled is helping? D) Last but not least, I don't know where this dysfunctional theory some people seem to have that big shops get bribed by vendors to promote things to the peons. Sure, it sporadically happened in the past, especially in SGI days, but ultimately the margins in VFX and Feature Animation are so small you have no idea. The singular sole priority in any big shop is to work as efficiently as possible financially. If it involves using AD products AD itself could be helmed by Satan and have a side-trade of illegal arms contraband and AD products would still be bought. If working with AD is potentially financially damaging, given how small the cost of software itself in a pipe is these days when the pipe is wide and long enough, many birds would be instantaneously flipped at AD. Honestly guys, get a grip. There's no conspiracy theory, just some people are a lot more rational and more divested across resources than those frothing over it. It doesn't mean they aren't saddened, or suddenly even more concerned about AD's client policies, but they don't all have XSI tattoos on their buttocks. On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 6:16 AM, Jason S jasonsta...@gmail.com wrote: The idea of prewarnings, is for exactly that.. letting bigger shops in to the decision start transitions first, gives a feeling of preferential treatment, not much room to dissaprove when it all silent and top secret, so you go ahead saying.. darn, but what other choice? And when it all comes out, not only do the prewarned (with the loudest voices) not speak-out (already transitioned halfway) but then serve as example leaders, more-or-less willingly leading the way to the better way! Yay!
