Re: Draining System below ground....
Quoting Matt Grise : I am also getting phishing notices. Matt -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 4:59 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Draining System below ground [This message was identified as a phishing scam. Learn about phishing at http://aka.ms/LearnAboutPhishing] Attn: AFSA Admin Re: Phishing scam notice Am I the only one getting the notice, "This message was identified as a phishing scam."? If others are seeing it, there may be something wrong with the site's security certificate or some attribute has been added to emails generated by the list-server. Steve -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 2:47 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Draining System below ground [This message was identified as a phishing scam. Learn about phishing at http://aka.ms/LearnAboutPhishing] Mr Prahl been smokin hot here lately - on fire. Can I get a witness? b. Quoting "Prahl, Craig/GVL" : 40 gallon trash can and portable sump pump with hose to exterior or suitable drain. That or bucket brigade. :) Craig L. Prahl Fire Protection Group Lead/SME Direct - 864.920.7540 Fax - 864.920.7129 Direct Extension 77540 CH2M is now Jacobs. 200 Verdae Blvd. Greenville, SC 29607 craig.pr...@ch2m.com http://www.jacobs.com -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brian Harris Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:30 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Draining System below ground [EXTERNAL] Any suggestions on draining a system located in a basement below grade? Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. Design Manager bvssystemsinc.com<http://bvssystemsinc.com/> Phone: 704.896.9989 Fax: 704.896.1935 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl er.org/attachments/20180222/54cd69ae/attachment.html> ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl er.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl er.org probably my fault for saying -smoking hot- I'll crawl back into bed now, er uhh, ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
RE: Draining System below ground....
I am also getting phishing notices. Matt -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 4:59 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Draining System below ground [This message was identified as a phishing scam. Learn about phishing at http://aka.ms/LearnAboutPhishing] Attn: AFSA Admin Re: Phishing scam notice Am I the only one getting the notice, "This message was identified as a phishing scam."? If others are seeing it, there may be something wrong with the site's security certificate or some attribute has been added to emails generated by the list-server. Steve -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 2:47 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Draining System below ground [This message was identified as a phishing scam. Learn about phishing at http://aka.ms/LearnAboutPhishing] Mr Prahl been smokin hot here lately - on fire. Can I get a witness? b. Quoting "Prahl, Craig/GVL" : > 40 gallon trash can and portable sump pump with hose to exterior or > suitable drain. > > That or bucket brigade. :) > > > Craig L. Prahl > Fire Protection Group Lead/SME > Direct - 864.920.7540 > Fax - 864.920.7129 > Direct Extension 77540 > CH2M is now Jacobs. > 200 Verdae Blvd. > Greenville, SC 29607 > craig.pr...@ch2m.com > http://www.jacobs.com > > -Original Message- > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of > Brian Harris > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:30 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Draining System below ground [EXTERNAL] > > Any suggestions on draining a system located in a basement below grade? > > Brian Harris, CET > BVS Systems Inc. > Design Manager > bvssystemsinc.com<http://bvssystemsinc.com/> > Phone: 704.896.9989 > Fax: 704.896.1935 > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org/attachments/20180222/54cd69ae/attachment.html> > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
RE: Draining System below ground....
Attn: AFSA Admin Re: Phishing scam notice Am I the only one getting the notice, "This message was identified as a phishing scam."? If others are seeing it, there may be something wrong with the site's security certificate or some attribute has been added to emails generated by the list-server. Steve -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of bcasterl...@fsc-inc.com Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 2:47 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Draining System below ground [This message was identified as a phishing scam. Learn about phishing at http://aka.ms/LearnAboutPhishing] Mr Prahl been smokin hot here lately - on fire. Can I get a witness? b. Quoting "Prahl, Craig/GVL" : > 40 gallon trash can and portable sump pump with hose to exterior or > suitable drain. > > That or bucket brigade. :) > > > Craig L. Prahl > Fire Protection Group Lead/SME > Direct - 864.920.7540 > Fax - 864.920.7129 > Direct Extension 77540 > CH2M is now Jacobs. > 200 Verdae Blvd. > Greenville, SC 29607 > craig.pr...@ch2m.com > http://www.jacobs.com > > -Original Message- > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of > Brian Harris > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:30 PM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Draining System below ground [EXTERNAL] > > Any suggestions on draining a system located in a basement below grade? > > Brian Harris, CET > BVS Systems Inc. > Design Manager > bvssystemsinc.com<http://bvssystemsinc.com/> > Phone: 704.896.9989 > Fax: 704.896.1935 > > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org/attachments/20180222/54cd69ae/attachment.html> > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Re: Draining System below ground....
Mr Prahl been smokin hot here lately - on fire. Can I get a witness? b. Quoting "Prahl, Craig/GVL" : 40 gallon trash can and portable sump pump with hose to exterior or suitable drain. That or bucket brigade. :) Craig L. Prahl Fire Protection Group Lead/SME Direct - 864.920.7540 Fax - 864.920.7129 Direct Extension 77540 CH2M is now Jacobs. 200 Verdae Blvd. Greenville, SC 29607 craig.pr...@ch2m.com http://www.jacobs.com -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brian Harris Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:30 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Draining System below ground [EXTERNAL] Any suggestions on draining a system located in a basement below grade? Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. Design Manager bvssystemsinc.com<http://bvssystemsinc.com/> Phone: 704.896.9989 Fax: 704.896.1935 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/54cd69ae/attachment.html> ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
RE: Lumberyard fire flows
Which edition are you citing? 2018 doesn't have those Annex sections. SL -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Larry Keeping Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 2:37 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Lumberyard fire flows [This message was identified as a phishing scam. Learn about phishing at http://aka.ms/LearnAboutPhishing] NFPA 1 in A.1.3.3.2.2 and A.3.4.3.1 provides some guidance regarding flow and hydrant spacing for outside storage such as you are dealing with. Best regards, Larry Keeping -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: February-22-18 1:54 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Lumberyard fire flows This isn't a sprinkler question specifically, but FP-related: Has anyone ever worked on design of a private fire main for a lumberyard? Huge outdoor piles of stored wood products, engineered members mostly, some smaller amounts of dimensional lumber. We're trying to establish a fire flow for hydrants but there are no buildings of any size to benchmark and tables in the fire code are not of much use because they're based on building area and construction type. The fire load here is not in buildings ... [Steve Signature (3)] -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/e44a9d59/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 23565 bytes Desc: image003.png URL: <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/e44a9d59/attachment.png> ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
RE: Lumberyard fire flows
NFPA 1 in A.1.3.3.2.2 and A.3.4.3.1 provides some guidance regarding flow and hydrant spacing for outside storage such as you are dealing with. Best regards, Larry Keeping -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: February-22-18 1:54 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Lumberyard fire flows This isn't a sprinkler question specifically, but FP-related: Has anyone ever worked on design of a private fire main for a lumberyard? Huge outdoor piles of stored wood products, engineered members mostly, some smaller amounts of dimensional lumber. We're trying to establish a fire flow for hydrants but there are no buildings of any size to benchmark and tables in the fire code are not of much use because they're based on building area and construction type. The fire load here is not in buildings ... [Steve Signature (3)] -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/e44a9d59/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 23565 bytes Desc: image003.png URL: <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/e44a9d59/attachment.png> ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Re: EC OH Horizontal Sidewall Sprinklers
Reliable has the MBEC, but it can't do anything close to what the SW20 and 24 can do. Benjamin Young On Thu, Feb 22, 2018 at 9:59 AM, Mike Hairfield wrote: > Who besides TYCO makes a Extended Coverage Ordinary Hazard Sidewall > sprinkler? > > > Mike > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/ > sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/ > efde34b4/attachment.html> > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler. > org > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/a8890894/attachment.html> ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
RE: Draining System below ground....
We will tie the main drain/inspectors test to the drain manifold. It will blow water uphill for alarm testing. Then use a drain valve with a capped garden hose connection to empty the pipe into a sink or sump - or bucket brigade! Matt -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brian Harris Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 2:30 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Draining System below ground [This message was identified as a phishing scam. Learn about phishing at http://aka.ms/LearnAboutPhishing] Any suggestions on draining a system located in a basement below grade? Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. Design Manager bvssystemsinc.com<http://bvssystemsinc.com/> Phone: 704.896.9989 Fax: 704.896.1935 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/54cd69ae/attachment.html> ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Re: Draining System below ground....
If I had to I’d go back to first principles. The main drain has two functions. A high flow, that should be fixed in configuration, to test water system supply. And to drain the system to work on the system, or drain after a head opens. Is it possible to split these functions? Best. Bruce Verhei > On Feb 22, 2018, at 12:29, Brian Harris wrote: > > Any suggestions on draining a system located in a basement below grade? > > Brian Harris, CET > BVS Systems Inc. > Design Manager > bvssystemsinc.com<http://bvssystemsinc.com/> > Phone: 704.896.9989 > Fax: 704.896.1935 > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/54cd69ae/attachment.html> > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Re: Lumberyard fire flows
In the end if you can’t confirm by a rational analysis that supports a reasonable goal, (extinguish a fire of X size, if that fails protect important on site exposures and all off site exposures) require ‘technical assistance ‘. Best. > On Feb 22, 2018, at 12:44, Bruce Verhei wrote: > > Steve > > You are required to calculate flows by an ‘approved method’. > > If you haven’t previously put out for public comment and signed a scheme for > this I’d see what is already in use. > > You might consider FMGlobal Data Sheet 7-10, 2-2.5. > > Before I went very far with this I’d compare pile sizes, fire access lanes > and widths to the sizes the IFC uses. Are the comparable? > > And I’d ask how much water do you reserve for exposures. > > Are they involving an insurance firm that has an engineering review section. > They’re often quite helpful. > > Locations of hydrants. Fire suppression activities are not helped if during > the fight you need to relocate engines as the plastic light bars are melting, > the paint is darkening, and the glass is crazing. > > And equipment is heavy. You might confirm that the CE is considering this in > pipe type, depth, and bedding. > > And are you in freezing country? > The water just sits there. Enumclaw WA is not especially cold country. But a > root cause of failure to extinguish a fire in a Weyerhaeuser mill was a > frozen main. It was a little more complicated than that, but in the end an > ice plug occurred. Total loss of course. > > Best. > > Bruce Verhei > >> On Feb 22, 2018, at 10:54, Steve Leyton wrote: >> >> This isn't a sprinkler question specifically, but FP-related: Has anyone >> ever worked on design of a private fire main for a lumberyard? Huge >> outdoor piles of stored wood products, engineered members mostly, some >> smaller amounts of dimensional lumber. We're trying to establish a fire >> flow for hydrants but there are no buildings of any size to benchmark and >> tables in the fire code are not of much use because they're based on >> building area and construction type. The fire load here is not in >> buildings ... >> >> [Steve Signature (3)] >> >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/e44a9d59/attachment.html> >> -- next part -- >> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... >> Name: image003.png >> Type: image/png >> Size: 23565 bytes >> Desc: image003.png >> URL: >> <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/e44a9d59/attachment.png> >> ___ >> Sprinklerforum mailing list >> Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org >> http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Re: Lumberyard fire flows
Steve You are required to calculate flows by an ‘approved method’. If you haven’t previously put out for public comment and signed a scheme for this I’d see what is already in use. You might consider FMGlobal Data Sheet 7-10, 2-2.5. Before I went very far with this I’d compare pile sizes, fire access lanes and widths to the sizes the IFC uses. Are the comparable? And I’d ask how much water do you reserve for exposures. Are they involving an insurance firm that has an engineering review section. They’re often quite helpful. Locations of hydrants. Fire suppression activities are not helped if during the fight you need to relocate engines as the plastic light bars are melting, the paint is darkening, and the glass is crazing. And equipment is heavy. You might confirm that the CE is considering this in pipe type, depth, and bedding. And are you in freezing country? The water just sits there. Enumclaw WA is not especially cold country. But a root cause of failure to extinguish a fire in a Weyerhaeuser mill was a frozen main. It was a little more complicated than that, but in the end an ice plug occurred. Total loss of course. Best. Bruce Verhei > On Feb 22, 2018, at 10:54, Steve Leyton wrote: > > This isn't a sprinkler question specifically, but FP-related: Has anyone > ever worked on design of a private fire main for a lumberyard? Huge outdoor > piles of stored wood products, engineered members mostly, some smaller > amounts of dimensional lumber. We're trying to establish a fire flow for > hydrants but there are no buildings of any size to benchmark and tables in > the fire code are not of much use because they're based on building area and > construction type. The fire load here is not in buildings ... > > [Steve Signature (3)] > > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/e44a9d59/attachment.html> > -- next part -- > A non-text attachment was scrubbed... > Name: image003.png > Type: image/png > Size: 23565 bytes > Desc: image003.png > URL: > <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/e44a9d59/attachment.png> > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
RE: Draining System below ground....
40 gallon trash can and portable sump pump with hose to exterior or suitable drain. That or bucket brigade. :) Craig L. Prahl Fire Protection Group Lead/SME Direct - 864.920.7540 Fax - 864.920.7129 Direct Extension 77540 CH2M is now Jacobs. 200 Verdae Blvd. Greenville, SC 29607 craig.pr...@ch2m.com http://www.jacobs.com -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Brian Harris Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:30 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Draining System below ground [EXTERNAL] Any suggestions on draining a system located in a basement below grade? Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. Design Manager bvssystemsinc.com<http://bvssystemsinc.com/> Phone: 704.896.9989 Fax: 704.896.1935 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/54cd69ae/attachment.html> ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Draining System below ground....
Any suggestions on draining a system located in a basement below grade? Brian Harris, CET BVS Systems Inc. Design Manager bvssystemsinc.com<http://bvssystemsinc.com/> Phone: 704.896.9989 Fax: 704.896.1935 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/54cd69ae/attachment.html> ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
RE: Lumberyard fire flows
The 2015 IFC states: LUMBER YARDS AND AGRO-INDUSTRIAL, SOLID BIOMASS AND WOODWORKING FACILITIES 2809.5 Fire protection. An approved hydrant and hose system or portable fire-extinguishing equipment suitable for the fire hazard involved shall be provided for open storage yards. Hydrant and hose systems shall be installed in accordance with NFPA 24. Portable fire extinguishers complying with Section 906 shall be located so that the distance of travel from the nearest unit does not exceed 75 feet (22 860 mm). To get that "approved hydrant and hose system" we'd typically have a layout showing the yard and anticipated loading. Take that to the local fire code official (FCO) and talk about what kind of flow is available (I've have gotten this from local water purveyor before meeting the FCO). If you only have 1500 gpm flow rate available at 20 psi for example, how many hydrants will have to be involved with how many pumpers for the required hose streams. We also talk about apparatus access through the yard and minimum aisle widths and turn radii so the owner knows there are stacking limitations. Some of the answers depend on how the local FD is equipped. I agree, this is not a building related issue and even if there were a building on site, providing adequate resources for fighting a yard fire is a totally different hazard from a building. Also, for industrial or high flow rate areas I typically spec out the American Flow Control's American Darling Industrial hydrant with the 6" valve opening in lieu of the standard commercial hydrant with the 4.5 - 5" valve opening. The AFC American-Darling hydrant # is B84B-BB-5. These can typically deliver up to 4800 gpm through the 4.5" pumper connection at 100 psig. A lot of times we've just gotten hydrant spacing recommendations with no specific pressure or flow rates required. I guess most FDs have resolved that they will get what they get and do the best with that. Craig L. Prahl Fire Protection Group Lead/SME Direct - 864.920.7540 Fax - 864.920.7129 Direct Extension 77540 CH2M is now Jacobs. 200 Verdae Blvd. Greenville, SC 29607 craig.pr...@ch2m.com http://www.jacobs.com -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Steve Leyton Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 1:54 PM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Lumberyard fire flows [EXTERNAL] This isn't a sprinkler question specifically, but FP-related: Has anyone ever worked on design of a private fire main for a lumberyard? Huge outdoor piles of stored wood products, engineered members mostly, some smaller amounts of dimensional lumber. We're trying to establish a fire flow for hydrants but there are no buildings of any size to benchmark and tables in the fire code are not of much use because they're based on building area and construction type. The fire load here is not in buildings ... [Steve Signature (3)] -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/e44a9d59/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 23565 bytes Desc: image003.png URL: <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/e44a9d59/attachment.png> ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Lumberyard fire flows
This isn't a sprinkler question specifically, but FP-related: Has anyone ever worked on design of a private fire main for a lumberyard? Huge outdoor piles of stored wood products, engineered members mostly, some smaller amounts of dimensional lumber. We're trying to establish a fire flow for hydrants but there are no buildings of any size to benchmark and tables in the fire code are not of much use because they're based on building area and construction type. The fire load here is not in buildings ... [Steve Signature (3)] -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/e44a9d59/attachment.html> -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 23565 bytes Desc: image003.png URL: <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/e44a9d59/attachment.png> ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
RE: Boats
If you have lay-up areas where they are spraying fiberglas, with low heads, they can get a lot of residue on them. Also if there is a sanding/finishing area the dust can cake on sprinklers as well if they don't have booths and adequate ventilation. These operations can be real messy and the overhead sprinklers really need to be inspected and maintained more often than in typical manufacturing areas just due to the airborne residue. Craig L. Prahl Fire Protection Group Lead/SME Direct - 864.920.7540 Fax - 864.920.7129 Direct Extension 77540 CH2M is now Jacobs. 200 Verdae Blvd. Greenville, SC 29607 craig.pr...@ch2m.com http://www.jacobs.com -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Bruce Verhei Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:41 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Re: Boats [EXTERNAL] I’d also be concerned with heads being loaded. Slow, but hard to observe. Maybe in a modern plant with adequate exhaust this isn’t a problem. EH2. Best. Bruce Verhei > On Feb 22, 2018, at 06:35, John Irwin wrote: > > Thanks Craig > > John Irwin > DynaFire Inc. > > -Original Message- > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] > On Behalf Of Prahl, Craig/GVL > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 9:29 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Boats > > In addition to resin storage and spraying, also look for releasing > agents and solvent storage. Typically acetone is used for cleaning > equipment. You might find MEK as well. > > Are the hulls stored outside or on cantilever racks or inside during > different stages of finishing and finally once completed? > > You may also have exhaust system ductwork and hoods in some areas that > need to be protected. > > Typically EHII covers most of the operation. Storage methodology of > the hulls may drive some storage criteria. Depending on the location > of, quantity and type of solvents, foam-water systems might also be warranted. > > The fiberglass itself won't burn, at high temps it melts. But in some > cases, other materials are added to the fiberglass for strength or > resiliency that can alter the combustible nature of the product. It's > the composite materials that can bite you. Ask what is in the process > to be sure of no surprises. > > Also ask for a chemical list if you can, also to be sure you don't > have any unique, unexpected hazards that need special attention. > > > Craig L. Prahl > Fire Protection Group Lead/SME > Direct - 864.920.7540 > Fax - 864.920.7129 > Direct Extension 77540 > CH2M is now Jacobs. > 200 Verdae Blvd. > Greenville, SC 29607 > craig.pr...@ch2m.com > http://www.jacobs.com > > -Original Message- > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] > On Behalf Of Matt Grise > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 7:31 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Boats [EXTERNAL] > > I have visited a couple - watch out for resin storage. I don't know if > the actual fiberglass is flammable, but the goo they put on it is. The > places I visited also had lots of Styrofoam that was used to fill hull > cavities. > > Matt > > > -Original Message- > From: Sprinklerforum > [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] > On Behalf Of John Irwin > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 6:26 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Boats > > [This message was identified as a phishing scam. Learn about phishing > at http://aka.ms/LearnAboutPhishing] > > I know boat storage is a bad word … how about boat production? > > > > I’m looking at a 40,000sqft production building. I am guessing > fiberglass molds and fit outs going on in these bays. Other than that > there is a couple small offices and a small varnish room. > > > > Anyone protect a building like this before? > > > > John Irwin > > Fire Sprinkler Specialist > > DynaFire, Inc. > > 727-282-9243 – Cell > > > > *“A customer is the most important visitor on our premises. He is not > dependent on us. We are dependent on him. He is not an interruption on > our work. He is the purpose of it. He is not an outsider on our > business. He is a part of it. We are not doing him a favour by serving > him. He is doing us a favour by giving us an opportunity to do so.”* > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org/attachm
Re: Boats
I’d also be concerned with heads being loaded. Slow, but hard to observe. Maybe in a modern plant with adequate exhaust this isn’t a problem. EH2. Best. Bruce Verhei > On Feb 22, 2018, at 06:35, John Irwin wrote: > > Thanks Craig > > John Irwin > DynaFire Inc. > > -Original Message- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] > On Behalf Of Prahl, Craig/GVL > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 9:29 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Boats > > In addition to resin storage and spraying, also look for releasing agents > and solvent storage. Typically acetone is used for cleaning equipment. You > might find MEK as well. > > Are the hulls stored outside or on cantilever racks or inside during > different stages of finishing and finally once completed? > > You may also have exhaust system ductwork and hoods in some areas that need > to be protected. > > Typically EHII covers most of the operation. Storage methodology of the > hulls may drive some storage criteria. Depending on the location of, > quantity and type of solvents, foam-water systems might also be warranted. > > The fiberglass itself won't burn, at high temps it melts. But in some > cases, other materials are added to the fiberglass for strength or > resiliency that can alter the combustible nature of the product. It's the > composite materials that can bite you. Ask what is in the process to be > sure of no surprises. > > Also ask for a chemical list if you can, also to be sure you don't have any > unique, unexpected hazards that need special attention. > > > Craig L. Prahl > Fire Protection Group Lead/SME > Direct - 864.920.7540 > Fax - 864.920.7129 > Direct Extension 77540 > CH2M is now Jacobs. > 200 Verdae Blvd. > Greenville, SC 29607 > craig.pr...@ch2m.com > http://www.jacobs.com > > -Original Message- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] > On Behalf Of Matt Grise > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 7:31 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: RE: Boats [EXTERNAL] > > I have visited a couple - watch out for resin storage. I don't know if the > actual fiberglass is flammable, but the goo they put on it is. The places I > visited also had lots of Styrofoam that was used to fill hull cavities. > > Matt > > > -Original Message- > From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] > On Behalf Of John Irwin > Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 6:26 AM > To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > Subject: Boats > > [This message was identified as a phishing scam. Learn about phishing at > http://aka.ms/LearnAboutPhishing] > > I know boat storage is a bad word … how about boat production? > > > > I’m looking at a 40,000sqft production building. I am guessing fiberglass > molds and fit outs going on in these bays. Other than that there is a couple > small offices and a small varnish room. > > > > Anyone protect a building like this before? > > > > John Irwin > > Fire Sprinkler Specialist > > DynaFire, Inc. > > 727-282-9243 – Cell > > > > *“A customer is the most important visitor on our premises. He is not > dependent on us. We are dependent on him. He is not an interruption on our > work. He is the purpose of it. He is not an outsider on our business. He is > a part of it. We are not doing him a favour by serving him. He is doing us a > favour by giving us an opportunity to do so.”* > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/80d25bb9/attachment.html> > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
EC OH Horizontal Sidewall Sprinklers
Who besides TYCO makes a Extended Coverage Ordinary Hazard Sidewall sprinkler? Mike -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/efde34b4/attachment.html> ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
RE: Boats
Thanks Craig John Irwin DynaFire Inc. -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Prahl, Craig/GVL Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 9:29 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Boats In addition to resin storage and spraying, also look for releasing agents and solvent storage. Typically acetone is used for cleaning equipment. You might find MEK as well. Are the hulls stored outside or on cantilever racks or inside during different stages of finishing and finally once completed? You may also have exhaust system ductwork and hoods in some areas that need to be protected. Typically EHII covers most of the operation. Storage methodology of the hulls may drive some storage criteria. Depending on the location of, quantity and type of solvents, foam-water systems might also be warranted. The fiberglass itself won't burn, at high temps it melts. But in some cases, other materials are added to the fiberglass for strength or resiliency that can alter the combustible nature of the product. It's the composite materials that can bite you. Ask what is in the process to be sure of no surprises. Also ask for a chemical list if you can, also to be sure you don't have any unique, unexpected hazards that need special attention. Craig L. Prahl Fire Protection Group Lead/SME Direct - 864.920.7540 Fax - 864.920.7129 Direct Extension 77540 CH2M is now Jacobs. 200 Verdae Blvd. Greenville, SC 29607 craig.pr...@ch2m.com http://www.jacobs.com -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Matt Grise Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 7:31 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Boats [EXTERNAL] I have visited a couple - watch out for resin storage. I don't know if the actual fiberglass is flammable, but the goo they put on it is. The places I visited also had lots of Styrofoam that was used to fill hull cavities. Matt -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John Irwin Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 6:26 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Boats [This message was identified as a phishing scam. Learn about phishing at http://aka.ms/LearnAboutPhishing] I know boat storage is a bad word … how about boat production? I’m looking at a 40,000sqft production building. I am guessing fiberglass molds and fit outs going on in these bays. Other than that there is a couple small offices and a small varnish room. Anyone protect a building like this before? John Irwin Fire Sprinkler Specialist DynaFire, Inc. 727-282-9243 – Cell *“A customer is the most important visitor on our premises. He is not dependent on us. We are dependent on him. He is not an interruption on our work. He is the purpose of it. He is not an outsider on our business. He is a part of it. We are not doing him a favour by serving him. He is doing us a favour by giving us an opportunity to do so.”* -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/80d25bb9/attachment.html> ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
RE: Boats
In addition to resin storage and spraying, also look for releasing agents and solvent storage. Typically acetone is used for cleaning equipment. You might find MEK as well. Are the hulls stored outside or on cantilever racks or inside during different stages of finishing and finally once completed? You may also have exhaust system ductwork and hoods in some areas that need to be protected. Typically EHII covers most of the operation. Storage methodology of the hulls may drive some storage criteria. Depending on the location of, quantity and type of solvents, foam-water systems might also be warranted. The fiberglass itself won't burn, at high temps it melts. But in some cases, other materials are added to the fiberglass for strength or resiliency that can alter the combustible nature of the product. It's the composite materials that can bite you. Ask what is in the process to be sure of no surprises. Also ask for a chemical list if you can, also to be sure you don't have any unique, unexpected hazards that need special attention. Craig L. Prahl Fire Protection Group Lead/SME Direct - 864.920.7540 Fax - 864.920.7129 Direct Extension 77540 CH2M is now Jacobs. 200 Verdae Blvd. Greenville, SC 29607 craig.pr...@ch2m.com http://www.jacobs.com -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Matt Grise Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 7:31 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: RE: Boats [EXTERNAL] I have visited a couple - watch out for resin storage. I don't know if the actual fiberglass is flammable, but the goo they put on it is. The places I visited also had lots of Styrofoam that was used to fill hull cavities. Matt -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John Irwin Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 6:26 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Boats [This message was identified as a phishing scam. Learn about phishing at http://aka.ms/LearnAboutPhishing] I know boat storage is a bad word … how about boat production? I’m looking at a 40,000sqft production building. I am guessing fiberglass molds and fit outs going on in these bays. Other than that there is a couple small offices and a small varnish room. Anyone protect a building like this before? John Irwin Fire Sprinkler Specialist DynaFire, Inc. 727-282-9243 – Cell *“A customer is the most important visitor on our premises. He is not dependent on us. We are dependent on him. He is not an interruption on our work. He is the purpose of it. He is not an outsider on our business. He is a part of it. We are not doing him a favour by serving him. He is doing us a favour by giving us an opportunity to do so.”* -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/80d25bb9/attachment.html> ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
RE: Boats
It's not Irwin Yachts. =) John Irwin DynaFire Inc. -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of Fpdcdesign Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 7:51 AM To: Sprinklerforum Subject: Re: Boats I’ve always looked at it as Extra Hazard II. A lot of things on that list seemed to fit. I don’t know the specifics so it is tough to tell. It’s not Irwin Yachts, is it? Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-535-2080 (ofc) 860-553-3553 (fax) 860-608-4559 (cell) > > On Feb 22, 2018 at 7:25 AM, mailto:john.ir...@dynafire.com)> > wrote: > > > > I know boat storage is a bad word … how about boat production? > > > > I’m looking at a 40,000sqft production building. I am guessing > fiberglass molds and fit outs going on in these bays. Other than that > there is a couple small offices and a small varnish room. > > > > Anyone protect a building like this before? > > > > John Irwin > > Fire Sprinkler Specialist > > DynaFire, Inc. > > 727-282-9243 – Cell > > > > *“A customer is the most important visitor on our premises. He is not > dependent on us. We are dependent on him. He is not an interruption on > our work. He is the purpose of it. He is not an outsider on our > business. He is a part of it. We are not doing him a favour by serving > him. He is doing us a favour by giving us an opportunity to do so.”* > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org/attachments/20180222/80d25bb9/attachment.html> > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkl > er.org > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/083f3c3f/attachment.html> ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Re: Boats
I’ve always looked at it as Extra Hazard II. A lot of things on that list seemed to fit. I don’t know the specifics so it is tough to tell. It’s not Irwin Yachts, is it? Todd G Williams, PE Fire Protection Design/Consulting Stonington, CT 860-535-2080 (ofc) 860-553-3553 (fax) 860-608-4559 (cell) > > On Feb 22, 2018 at 7:25 AM, mailto:john.ir...@dynafire.com)> > wrote: > > > > I know boat storage is a bad word … how about boat production? > > > > I’m looking at a 40,000sqft production building. I am guessing fiberglass > molds and fit outs going on in these bays. Other than that there is a > couple small offices and a small varnish room. > > > > Anyone protect a building like this before? > > > > John Irwin > > Fire Sprinkler Specialist > > DynaFire, Inc. > > 727-282-9243 – Cell > > > > *“A customer is the most important visitor on our premises. He is not > dependent on us. We are dependent on him. He is not an interruption on our > work. He is the purpose of it. He is not an outsider on our business. He is > a part of it. We are not doing him a favour by serving him. He is doing us > a favour by giving us an opportunity to do so.”* > -- next part -- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/80d25bb9/attachment.html> > ___ > Sprinklerforum mailing list > Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org > http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/083f3c3f/attachment.html> ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
RE: Boats
I have visited a couple - watch out for resin storage. I don't know if the actual fiberglass is flammable, but the goo they put on it is. The places I visited also had lots of Styrofoam that was used to fill hull cavities. Matt -Original Message- From: Sprinklerforum [mailto:sprinklerforum-boun...@lists.firesprinkler.org] On Behalf Of John Irwin Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 6:26 AM To: sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org Subject: Boats [This message was identified as a phishing scam. Learn about phishing at http://aka.ms/LearnAboutPhishing] I know boat storage is a bad word … how about boat production? I’m looking at a 40,000sqft production building. I am guessing fiberglass molds and fit outs going on in these bays. Other than that there is a couple small offices and a small varnish room. Anyone protect a building like this before? John Irwin Fire Sprinkler Specialist DynaFire, Inc. 727-282-9243 – Cell *“A customer is the most important visitor on our premises. He is not dependent on us. We are dependent on him. He is not an interruption on our work. He is the purpose of it. He is not an outsider on our business. He is a part of it. We are not doing him a favour by serving him. He is doing us a favour by giving us an opportunity to do so.”* -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/80d25bb9/attachment.html> ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
Boats
I know boat storage is a bad word … how about boat production? I’m looking at a 40,000sqft production building. I am guessing fiberglass molds and fit outs going on in these bays. Other than that there is a couple small offices and a small varnish room. Anyone protect a building like this before? John Irwin Fire Sprinkler Specialist DynaFire, Inc. 727-282-9243 – Cell *“A customer is the most important visitor on our premises. He is not dependent on us. We are dependent on him. He is not an interruption on our work. He is the purpose of it. He is not an outsider on our business. He is a part of it. We are not doing him a favour by serving him. He is doing us a favour by giving us an opportunity to do so.”* -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.firesprinkler.org/private.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org/attachments/20180222/80d25bb9/attachment.html> ___ Sprinklerforum mailing list Sprinklerforum@lists.firesprinkler.org http://lists.firesprinkler.org/listinfo.cgi/sprinklerforum-firesprinkler.org
