Re: Nested-EL
Edgar P Dollin wrote: Everyone has preferences but in my opinion JSTL doesn't hold a candle to the nested tags, especially customized nested tags. I do agree however that JSTL for nested tags is not that important. It does help in environments where there is ZERO tolerance for JSP expressions Conveniently ignoring the fact that something like nested:write property=foo.bar/ stll contains a JSP expression -- just not a *standard* JSP expression :-). But something like... nested:nest property=foo nested:write property=bar / /nested:neste ...is back to standard JSP expression. :P Arron. or that are running older versions of the servlet container. Definitely. Edgar Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nested-EL
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back in September, David Karr was threatening to do Tiles-EL and Nested-EL. I see that the Tiles-EL has been committed, sweet. Nested-EL seems to be missing. David, have you started working on Nested-EL? If so, how far off is it from being complete? If not, do you have any tips, because I am getting started on it tonight. Doesn't the EL replace the need for a nested tag library? Isn't the EL syntax easier than using nested tags? I haven't used Nested but it seems like a Nested-EL is redundant. IMHO, I'd say EL is actually harder, but at any rate EL can't completely do what the nested tags can. Like anything recursive. I just had an email conversation with a developer in England that has an app which business data model is a very large data structure. Depending on the level and required feature of the interface, they just have an include file for nested markup at any given level. The root JSP page simply includes the level for the given point and away it goes, regardless of its place in the hierarchy, and it's all updatable to the server because the actual property is made behind the scenes. This is only possible with the nested context being passed in the request. I put an OO-JSP spiel on my site, and this appears to be an extreme implementation of it. I know they're not everyone's cup of tea, but it's a hammer that can hit some pretty wicked nails. Arron. David Carl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nested-EL
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Understood. I have all of the classes written. The TLD is looking a little daunting. From my studies it appears that the tld is generated from an xml file that is run through an xsl stylesheet. If you want the classes, I can send them to you. Yes, that's true. But it may not be as difficult to work with the XML you might imagine. Try copying a likely suspect for a template, and then run the Ant compile.website target .. Instant TLD. -Ted. - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nested-EL
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back in September, David Karr was threatening to do Tiles-EL and Nested-EL. I see that the Tiles-EL has been committed, sweet. Nested-EL seems to be missing. David, have you started working on Nested-EL? If so, how far off is it from being complete? If not, do you have any tips, because I am getting started on it tonight. Doesn't the EL replace the need for a nested tag library? Isn't the EL syntax easier than using nested tags? I haven't used Nested but it seems like a Nested-EL is redundant. David Carl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nested-EL
David,
To give you a technical answer: Kinda.
If there was a way for JSTL to reach in and grab the info that the nested tags
are holding (IE Pass the contents of nested:writeNesting /) then I don't
think you would need Nested-EL. Or, if all of the nested tags worked like
nested:write / where it assumes you are trying to get the latest nested:nest
property.
I want to do nested:select but the select requires a property. Which the
best way for me to specify would be EL, because I don't always know what the
name of the property is going to be.
So, the plan is to pass in the name of the property through jsp:param which
EL can then grab:
nested-el:select property=${param.fieldName}
...
/nested-el:select
Alternatives are welcome...
Carl
Quoting David Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Back in September, David Karr was threatening to do Tiles-EL and
Nested-EL. I
see that the Tiles-EL has been committed, sweet. Nested-EL seems to be
missing. David, have you started working on Nested-EL? If so, how far
off is
it from being complete? If not, do you have any tips, because I am
getting
started on it tonight.
Doesn't the EL replace the need for a nested tag library? Isn't the EL
syntax easier than using nested tags? I haven't used Nested but it seems
like a Nested-EL is redundant.
David
Carl
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RE: Nested-EL
Everyone has preferences but in my opinion JSTL doesn't hold a candle to the nested tags, especially customized nested tags. I do agree however that JSTL for nested tags is not that important. It does help in environments where there is ZERO tolerance for JSP expressions or that are running older versions of the servlet container. Edgar -Original Message- From: David Graham [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 14, 2003 8:24 PM To: Struts Developers List Subject: Re: Nested-EL --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Back in September, David Karr was threatening to do Tiles-EL and Nested-EL. I see that the Tiles-EL has been committed, sweet. Nested-EL seems to be missing. David, have you started working on Nested-EL? If so, how far off is it from being complete? If not, do you have any tips, because I am getting started on it tonight. Doesn't the EL replace the need for a nested tag library? Isn't the EL syntax easier than using nested tags? I haven't used Nested but it seems like a Nested-EL is redundant. David Carl - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nested-EL
Edgar P Dollin wrote: Everyone has preferences but in my opinion JSTL doesn't hold a candle to the nested tags, especially customized nested tags. I do agree however that JSTL for nested tags is not that important. It does help in environments where there is ZERO tolerance for JSP expressions Conveniently ignoring the fact that something like nested:write property=foo.bar/ stll contains a JSP expression -- just not a *standard* JSP expression :-). or that are running older versions of the servlet container. Definitely. Edgar Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nested-EL
Well, even though it isn't important, wanted, needed, etc... would you guys at least take a look at the work that I have done? Should I just attach a zip in a mail to the list? I have created the packages: org.apache.strutsel.taglib.nested org.apache.strutsel.taglib.nested.html I did not implement logic and bean since they are both replaced by JSTL. I need to do the tld and I think this little excursion will be complete. Carl Quoting Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Edgar P Dollin wrote: Everyone has preferences but in my opinion JSTL doesn't hold a candle to the nested tags, especially customized nested tags. I do agree however that JSTL for nested tags is not that important. It does help in environments where there is ZERO tolerance for JSP expressions Conveniently ignoring the fact that something like nested:write property=foo.bar/ stll contains a JSP expression -- just not a *standard* JSP expression :-). or that are running older versions of the servlet container. Definitely. Edgar Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nested-EL
struts == struts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: struts Back in September, David Karr was threatening to do Tiles-EL and Nested-EL. I struts see that the Tiles-EL has been committed, sweet. Nested-EL seems to be struts missing. David, have you started working on Nested-EL? If so, how far off is struts it from being complete? If not, do you have any tips, because I am getting struts started on it tonight. No, I haven't started on it yet. However, realize that the library that I would build might not be what you're looking for. The only result of building an -el library is that any tag attribute values can use the EL to specify the value, as opposed to JSP expression scriptlets. In general, the EL library would not add or delete any attributes, or add any basic architectural functionality. -- === David M. Karr ; Java/J2EE/XML/Unix/C++ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; SCJP; SCWCD; SCBCD - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nested-EL
David, Understood. I have all of the classes written. The TLD is looking a little daunting. From my studies it appears that the tld is generated from an xml file that is run through an xsl stylesheet. If you want the classes, I can send them to you. Carl Quoting David M. Karr [EMAIL PROTECTED]: struts == struts [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: struts Back in September, David Karr was threatening to do Tiles-EL and Nested-EL. I struts see that the Tiles-EL has been committed, sweet. Nested-EL seems to be struts missing. David, have you started working on Nested-EL? If so, how far off is struts it from being complete? If not, do you have any tips, because I am getting struts started on it tonight. No, I haven't started on it yet. However, realize that the library that I would build might not be what you're looking for. The only result of building an -el library is that any tag attribute values can use the EL to specify the value, as opposed to JSP expression scriptlets. In general, the EL library would not add or delete any attributes, or add any basic architectural functionality. -- === David M. Karr ; Java/J2EE/XML/Unix/C++ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; SCJP; SCWCD; SCBCD - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Nested-EL
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, even though it isn't important, wanted, needed, etc... would you guys at least take a look at the work that I have done? Should I just attach a zip in a mail to the list? I cannot commit any personal time to this, although I think it definitely makes sense. The best way to make sure your proposed code doesn't get lost in the mailing list archives, it's best to create an enhancement request in the bug tracking system: http://nagoya.apache.org/bugzilla/ and then add your ZIP to the existing report as an attachment. I have created the packages: org.apache.strutsel.taglib.nested org.apache.strutsel.taglib.nested.html I did not implement logic and bean since they are both replaced by JSTL. I need to do the tld and I think this little excursion will be complete. That would be quite interesting. Carl Craig Quoting Craig R. McClanahan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Edgar P Dollin wrote: Everyone has preferences but in my opinion JSTL doesn't hold a candle to the nested tags, especially customized nested tags. I do agree however that JSTL for nested tags is not that important. It does help in environments where there is ZERO tolerance for JSP expressions Conveniently ignoring the fact that something like nested:write property=foo.bar/ stll contains a JSP expression -- just not a *standard* JSP expression :-). or that are running older versions of the servlet container. Definitely. Edgar Craig - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
