Campaigning for Open-Net [WAS Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7]
If you pester anyone too much it can be self defeating. Perhaps unintentionally as they consume much time deleting your messages from their files. Or intentionally if they choose to block the excesses traffic. > > "We should all start pestering the hell outta both Ian and Toad to get open-net deployed." >
[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
nobody at geonosis.homelinux.net wrote: > Please, Do NOT suggest switching to Linux, I've tried it and my hardware will > not support it's demands. Again, this is a matter of money that unlike SOME > people, I don't have a hell > I suggest linux. There are many versions of it, some of them designed to run on very poor hardware with insufficient ram. Money is not an excuse for using a bad OS. Just look for a minimalist linux. There are many good window managers like IceWM (IIRC) which won't demand much memory.
[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
Fair enough. Running a node involves trusting people. Running an opennet node involves trusting total strangers. We can improve on our security against treachery to a degree, so that you don't have to trust your peers quite as much, but the more powerful techniques for improving security, such as premix routing, are difficult (and so won't be implemented until 0.8), and rely on the darknet topology to ensure that they aren't compromized by an attacker impersonating multiple nodes. BTW this whole conversation has been moved to the chat list. On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 02:32:43PM -0400, Nicholas Sturm wrote: > > > > Really, if you don't trust anyone, you shouldn't be using the internet, > > and you probably should reconsider whether life is worth living. :) > > I trust a lot of people a little bit. I don't trust many people a lot. > And I've never really become acquainted philosophically with anyone on > freenet. > > Apart from band width perhaps that's why I read the lists, but no longer > run a node. -- Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060829/15fb2097/attachment.pgp>
[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
Messages from non-subscribers are moderated manually. I was away over the weekend so the messages didn't get approved until today. Maybe I should have checked the actual content of the messages... On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 09:11:03PM +0200, Ortwin Regel wrote: > Please stop this spam, you fucking idiots... :-/ > > On 29 Aug 2006 13:10:13 -, Fake Name > wrote: > > > >On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Ian Clarke wrote: > >>On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: > >>> Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens > >>> to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main > >>> network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is > >>> setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to > >>> everyone else. > >> > >>That is not true. Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global > >>network, not multiple independent networks consisting of small groups. > >> > >>Ian. > >> > >>Ian Clarke: Co-Founder & Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. > >>phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog > > > > > >Ian; > > > >0.7 is going to stall and sputter untill open net is deployed. > > > >Please urge Toad to deploy open net now > > > >thanks > > > > > > > > > > > >___ > >Support mailing list > >Support at freenetproject.org > >http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > >Unsubscribe at > >http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > >Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060829/1726e9e5/attachment.pgp>
Campaigning for Open-Net [WAS Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7]
This is not true. A global darknet is feasible, as I have explained: National barriers, and even language barriers are by no means absolute, and to the extent that they affect the network they can be dealt with. If Freenet provides something of value, we can make a large darknet. AND IF IT ISN'T THERE IS NO POINT IN DOING FREENET BECAUSE IF FREENET EVER DOES MEET ITS GOALS IT WILL BE ILLEGAL EVERYWHERE. That is not to say that opennet isn't important. Opennet will be implemented. But not yet, because it is not time to do it yet. We do not want to introduce more chaos to an already chaotic situation by implementing opennet before we have even started to sort out load balancing, for example. On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 03:53:20AM +0200, somebody wrote: > > > The answer is simple. Without open-net and at least some reasonable > percentage of nodes > operating as part of both open and dark nets, 0.7 will NEVER become part of > any global > network. It will instead be limited, broken into hundreds or thousands of > little > 'island netowrks' > > Open-net is required to tie these islands into a global network. > > I will repeat something I read on frost recently, > > "We should all start pestering the hell outta both Ian and Toad to get > open-net deployed." -- Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060829/d2e4ec78/attachment.pgp>
[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
Please stop this spam, you fucking idiots... :-/ On 29 Aug 2006 13:10:13 -, Fake Name wrote: > > On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Ian Clarke wrote: > >On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: > >> Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens > >> to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main > >> network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is > >> setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to > >> everyone else. > > > >That is not true. Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global > >network, not multiple independent networks consisting of small groups. > > > >Ian. > > > >Ian Clarke: Co-Founder & Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. > >phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog > > > Ian; > > 0.7 is going to stall and sputter untill open net is deployed. > > Please urge Toad to deploy open net now > > thanks > > > > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060829/b34d6ee7/attachment.html>
[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
Store files simply cannot be converted as you suggest, because their contents are encrypted; you can download a site from 0.5 and insert it into 0.7, if you know the key. You will probably have to generate a new SSK keypair. You might even be able to spider 0.5 and insert the sites (with new SSK keys) into 0.7 (Obviously there is no security here; you can tamper with them as much as you like and the only way to check is to use 0.5). You cannot however bulk migrate 0.5 content from the store. On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 12:04:12AM +0200, [Anon] Anon User wrote: > In <35af28770608241201n680631f1v158485f8cdc4073 at mail.gmail.com> urza9814 > at gmail.com wrote: > >Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens > >to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main > >network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is > >setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to > >everyone else. Pretty much, there's nowhere for the content to go. > >It'd be like trying to move everything on the internet to your local > >LAN. > >That, and it's just a complete program re-write I believe. It's quite > >easy to 'convert' the content...open a page, save it, and then > >re-upload it. The data stores work differently, and anyways the data > >is distributed, so there wouldn't be any easy way to move it over. > > > > I don't know enough programming to do this, but I have an idea for a tool: > > Given that a user has an 0.5 node and a new 0.7 node import the data store. > > the tool would read the 0.5 store files, convert them to 0.7 format and then > write them > into the 0.7 store directories. > > Other than that, freesites will have to be saved in their entirety and then > inserted > into 0.7. Has FIW been fixed to work with 0.7? If it has, I'd be willing to > help insert > 0.5 content into 0.7 once I can get 0.7 working on windows98 > > I would also want to have enough refs to be able to guaranteed connectivity > at all times. > > > -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > -- Matthew J Toseland - toad at amphibian.dyndns.org Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/support/attachments/20060829/b8aa7f05/attachment.pgp>
[freenet-support] open net
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[freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 *PLONK*
Don't feed the troll >Freenet 0.7 is nothing more than yet another in a series of Freenet >failures-in-waiting until it proves itself, IMHO, by emerging out of alpha >with open-net. > > >___ >Support mailing list >Support at freenetproject.org >http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support >Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support >Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Ian Clarke wrote: >On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: >> Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens >> to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main >> network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is >> setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to >> everyone else. > >That is not true. Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global >network, not multiple independent networks consisting of small groups. > >Ian. > >Ian Clarke: Co-Founder & Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. >phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog Ian; 0.7 is going to stall and sputter untill open net is deployed. Please urge Toad to deploy open net now thanks
[freenet-support] Freenet 0.7
Freenet 0.7 is nothing more than yet another in a series of Freenet failures-in-waiting until it proves itself, IMHO, by emerging out of alpha with open-net.
[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Ian Clarke wrote: >On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: >> Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens >> to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main >> network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is >> setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to >> everyone else. > >That is not true. Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global >network, not multiple independent networks consisting of small groups. > >Ian. > >Ian Clarke: Co-Founder & Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. >phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog Ian; 0.7 is going to stall and sputter untill open net is deployed. Please urge Toad to deploy open net now thanks
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7 *PLONK*
Don't feed the troll Freenet 0.7 is nothing more than yet another in a series of Freenet failures-in-waiting until it proves itself, IMHO, by emerging out of alpha with open-net. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Freenet 0.7 build 953
On Wednesday 23 August 2006 15:19, Matthew Toseland wrote: - Don't start the updater if the wrapper is broken I have problems with this one. I do not run the wrapper - I do want freenet to download new stable versions and then quit. I have the java command that starts freenet in a loop and this suffices to update freenet with much of the wrapper's complexity. It worked fine. I would not object to an 'are you sure' message but to block the operation is not reasonable. Without the wrapper its reasonable for someone to want freenet to download new jars and prep them for execution when the user restarts. Why do we _need_ this reduced flexibility? Ed ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
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Campaigning for Open-Net [WAS Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7]
-BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- Message-type: plaintext In [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Through the opennet. Which won't exist for, like, a year. Hmmm. On 8/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to everyone else. That is not true. Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global network, not multiple independent networks consisting of small groups. Ian. Ian, How can freenet grow to be a global network unless someone in one group trades connection information with someone in another group? Hypothetical - A group of people in England, another in France, another in Russia, and another in China have grown individual trusted 0.7 freenets. No one in any of these groups knows someone in the other freenet group, and they don't want to just advertise in IRC chat to find someone to connect to because they don't know and trust this as a way to add people to their freenet. How will these freenet groups become a part of a global network? The answer is simple. Without open-net and at least some reasonable percentage of nodes operating as part of both open and dark nets, 0.7 will NEVER become part of any global network. It will instead be limited, broken into hundreds or thousands of little 'island netowrks' Open-net is required to tie these islands into a global network. I will repeat something I read on frost recently, We should all start pestering the hell outta both Ian and Toad to get open-net deployed. -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Freenet 0.7
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to everyone else. That is not true. Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global network, not multiple independent networks consisting of small groups. Ian. Ian Clarke: Co-Founder Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog Ian; 0.7 is going to stall and sputter untill open net is deployed. Please urge Toad to deploy open net now thanks ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to everyone else. That is not true. Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global network, not multiple independent networks consisting of small groups. Ian. Ian Clarke: Co-Founder Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog Ian; 0.7 is going to stall and sputter untill open net is deployed. Please urge Toad to deploy open net now thanks ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to everyone else. That is not true. Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global network, not multiple independent networks consisting of small groups. Ian. Ian Clarke: Co-Founder Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog Ian; 0.7 is going to stall and sputter untill open net is deployed. Please urge Toad to deploy open net now thanks ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] open net
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Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to everyone else. That is not true. Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global network, not multiple independent networks consisting of small groups. Ian. Ian Clarke: Co-Founder Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog Ian; 0.7 is going to stall and sputter untill open net is deployed. Please urge Toad to deploy open net now thanks ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
Please stop this spam, you fucking idiots... :-/On 29 Aug 2006 13:10:13 -, Fake Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to everyone else. That is not true.Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one globalnetwork, not multiple independent networks consisting of small groups.Ian.Ian Clarke: Co-Founder Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blogIan;0.7 is going to stall and sputter untill open net is deployed.Please urge Toad to deploy open net now thanks___Support mailing listSupport@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.supportUnsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/supportOr mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
Store files simply cannot be converted as you suggest, because their contents are encrypted; you can download a site from 0.5 and insert it into 0.7, if you know the key. You will probably have to generate a new SSK keypair. You might even be able to spider 0.5 and insert the sites (with new SSK keys) into 0.7 (Obviously there is no security here; you can tamper with them as much as you like and the only way to check is to use 0.5). You cannot however bulk migrate 0.5 content from the store. On Fri, Aug 25, 2006 at 12:04:12AM +0200, [Anon] Anon User wrote: In [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to everyone else. Pretty much, there's nowhere for the content to go. It'd be like trying to move everything on the internet to your local LAN. That, and it's just a complete program re-write I believe. It's quite easy to 'convert' the content...open a page, save it, and then re-upload it. The data stores work differently, and anyways the data is distributed, so there wouldn't be any easy way to move it over. I don't know enough programming to do this, but I have an idea for a tool: Given that a user has an 0.5 node and a new 0.7 node import the data store. the tool would read the 0.5 store files, convert them to 0.7 format and then write them into the 0.7 store directories. Other than that, freesites will have to be saved in their entirety and then inserted into 0.7. Has FIW been fixed to work with 0.7? If it has, I'd be willing to help insert 0.5 content into 0.7 once I can get 0.7 working on windows98 I would also want to have enough refs to be able to guaranteed connectivity at all times. -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Campaigning for Open-Net [WAS Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7]
This is not true. A global darknet is feasible, as I have explained: National barriers, and even language barriers are by no means absolute, and to the extent that they affect the network they can be dealt with. If Freenet provides something of value, we can make a large darknet. AND IF IT ISN'T THERE IS NO POINT IN DOING FREENET BECAUSE IF FREENET EVER DOES MEET ITS GOALS IT WILL BE ILLEGAL EVERYWHERE. That is not to say that opennet isn't important. Opennet will be implemented. But not yet, because it is not time to do it yet. We do not want to introduce more chaos to an already chaotic situation by implementing opennet before we have even started to sort out load balancing, for example. On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 03:53:20AM +0200, somebody wrote: The answer is simple. Without open-net and at least some reasonable percentage of nodes operating as part of both open and dark nets, 0.7 will NEVER become part of any global network. It will instead be limited, broken into hundreds or thousands of little 'island netowrks' Open-net is required to tie these islands into a global network. I will repeat something I read on frost recently, We should all start pestering the hell outta both Ian and Toad to get open-net deployed. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
Messages from non-subscribers are moderated manually. I was away over the weekend so the messages didn't get approved until today. Maybe I should have checked the actual content of the messages... On Tue, Aug 29, 2006 at 09:11:03PM +0200, Ortwin Regel wrote: Please stop this spam, you fucking idiots... :-/ On 29 Aug 2006 13:10:13 -, Fake Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 26 Aug 2006, Ian Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 24 Aug 2006, at 12:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to everyone else. That is not true. Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global network, not multiple independent networks consisting of small groups. Ian. Ian Clarke: Co-Founder Chief Scientist Revver, Inc. phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog Ian; 0.7 is going to stall and sputter untill open net is deployed. Please urge Toad to deploy open net now thanks ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please, Do NOT suggest switching to Linux, I've tried it and my hardware will not support it's demands. Again, this is a matter of money that unlike SOME people, I don't have a hell I suggest linux. There are many versions of it, some of them designed to run on very poor hardware with insufficient ram. Money is not an excuse for using a bad OS. Just look for a minimalist linux. There are many good window managers like IceWM (IIRC) which won't demand much memory. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
Fair enough. Running a node involves trusting people. Running an opennet node involves trusting total strangers. We can improve on our security against treachery to a degree, so that you don't have to trust your peers quite as much, but the more powerful techniques for improving security, such as premix routing, are difficult (and so won't be implemented until 0.8), and rely on the darknet topology to ensure that they aren't compromized by an attacker impersonating multiple nodes. BTW this whole conversation has been moved to the chat list. On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 02:32:43PM -0400, Nicholas Sturm wrote: Really, if you don't trust anyone, you shouldn't be using the internet, and you probably should reconsider whether life is worth living. :) I trust a lot of people a little bit. I don't trust many people a lot. And I've never really become acquainted philosophically with anyone on freenet. Apart from band width perhaps that's why I read the lists, but no longer run a node. -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] 0,5 or 0,7 should we move this discussion?
Sorry. http://freenetproject.org/lists.html provides a list of all the mailing lists; click on Chat, then subscribe your email address. On Sun, Aug 27, 2006 at 02:18:49PM -0400, Nicholas Sturm wrote: I guess you could move it to a place where many of us don't know how to get too. So much has changed from the early freenet that I have found very little of what I once knew about. - Original Message - From: - To: support@freenetproject.org Sent: 8/27/2006 12:15:36 PM Subject: [freenet-support] 0,5 or 0,7 should we move this discussion? Hi, Great discussion I have a few questions too, but should we move it to another list? I feel bad about having started it here, Van ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Campaigning for Open-Net [WAS Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0, 5 and 0, 7]
If you pester anyone too much it can be self defeating. Perhaps unintentionally as they consume much time deleting your messages from their files. Or intentionally if they choose to block the excesses traffic. We should all start pestering the hell outta both Ian and Toad to get open-net deployed. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] can freenet use this technology?
-BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- Message-type: plaintext this tech, or an algo based on it? Quantum cryptographic data network created http://www.dailyindia.com/show/55384.php/Quantum-cryptographic-data-network-created EVANSTON, Ill., Aug. 28 (UPI) -- U.S. scientists have demonstrated, for the first time, a quantum cryptographic data network. Researchers from Northwestern University and BBN Technologies Inc., a Cambridge, Mass., research and development company, said they integrated quantum noise protected data encryption, or QDE, with quantum key distribution to develop a complete data communication system with extraordinary resilience to eavesdropping. The volume and type of sensitive information being transmitted over data networks continues to grow at a remarkable pace, said Prem Kumar, professor of electrical engineering and computer science at Northwestern and co-principal investigator on the project. New cryptographic methods are needed to continue ensuring that the privacy and safety of each user's information is secure. The QDE method, called AlphaEta, makes use of the inherent and irreducible quantum noise in laser light to enhance the security of the system and makes eavesdropping much more difficult. The scientists said unlike most other physical encryption methods, AlphaEta maintains performance on par with traditional optical communications links and is compatible with standard fiber optical networks. Henry Yeh, director of programs at BBN, said the newly developed system represents the state-of-the-art in ultra-secure high-speed optical communications. Copyright 2006 by United Press International -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] can freenet use this technology?
No. Quantum cryptography, key distribution, etc. all rely on the ability of communicators to exchange objects like qbits or entangled photons. Properly designed, this provides a guarantee (backed by the Uncertainty Principle) that the communication can't be intercepted. Needless to say, I can't send you a photon over the internet. And, any attempt to send a digital representation of one suffers because digital data can be read non-destructively. Basically a quantum crypto based network would need, at a minimum, physical fiber optic links between the participants. HTH Evan On 8/29/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- Message-type: plaintext this tech, or an algo based on it? Quantum cryptographic data network created http://www.dailyindia.com/show/55384.php/Quantum-cryptographic-data-network-created EVANSTON, Ill., Aug. 28 (UPI) -- U.S. scientists have demonstrated, for the first time, a quantum cryptographic data network. Researchers from Northwestern University and BBN Technologies Inc., a Cambridge, Mass., research and development company, said they integrated quantum noise protected data encryption, or QDE, with quantum key distribution to develop a complete data communication system with extraordinary resilience to eavesdropping. The volume and type of sensitive information being transmitted over data networks continues to grow at a remarkable pace, said Prem Kumar, professor of electrical engineering and computer science at Northwestern and co-principal investigator on the project. New cryptographic methods are needed to continue ensuring that the privacy and safety of each user's information is secure. The QDE method, called AlphaEta, makes use of the inherent and irreducible quantum noise in laser light to enhance the security of the system and makes eavesdropping much more difficult. The scientists said unlike most other physical encryption methods, AlphaEta maintains performance on par with traditional optical communications links and is compatible with standard fiber optical networks. Henry Yeh, director of programs at BBN, said the newly developed system represents the state-of-the-art in ultra-secure high-speed optical communications. Copyright 2006 by United Press International -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Campaigning for Open-Net [WAS Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,
5 and 0, 7] On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:54:12 -0400, you wrote: If you pester anyone too much it can be self defeating. Perhaps unintentionally as they consume much time deleting your messages from their files. Or intentionally if they choose to block the excesses traffic. Tell you what, you make a good point and the last thing I want to do is slow down the work that would give so many what they want most. With this in mind, I'll shut up about open-net and not even mention it here until 12/1/06. At that time I will ask again how close it is to being deployed. (unless of course it is deployed by then !!) I will also post in frost asking others who were on this 'pestering' campaign to hold off and let you folks do your thing. We should all start pestering the hell outta both Ian and Toad to get open-net deployed. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 22:39:59 +0200, you wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please, Do NOT suggest switching to Linux, I've tried it and my hardware will not support it's demands. Again, this is a matter of money that unlike SOME people, I don't have a hell I suggest linux. There are many versions of it, some of them designed to run on very poor hardware with insufficient ram. Money is not an excuse for using a bad OS. Just look for a minimalist linux. There are many good window managers like IceWM (IIRC) which won't demand much memory. Perhaps I was not sufficiently clear. Linux is not an acceptable answer. Machine limitations are a major part of that, but other considerations that I am not at liberty to discuss are also a factor. Changing OS is not an option no matter what. I have made poor choices due to financial limitations and now am locked into those choices for at least another 9.85 years. whine(and yeah, it sucks to be me.)/whine On the other hand, I have seen reports of people successfully running 0.7 on a Windows 98 computer with little difficulty. Because of this, I do not comprehend the apparent reluctance to divulge the requested help. I would consider Entropy except for the fact that it has always been slower than shit and has not released a new version in over a year ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Freenet 0.7 build 953
On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 07:25:16 -0400, you wrote: On Wednesday 23 August 2006 15:19, Matthew Toseland wrote: - Don't start the updater if the wrapper is broken I have problems with this one. I do not run the wrapper - I do want freenet to download new stable versions and then quit. I have the java command that starts freenet in a loop and this suffices to update freenet with much of the wrapper's complexity. It worked fine. I would not object to an 'are you sure' message but to block the operation is not reasonable. Without the wrapper its reasonable for someone to want freenet to download new jars and prep them for execution when the user restarts. Why do we _need_ this reduced flexibility? A lack of response to your question I note with disdain -- An evil exists that threatens every man, woman, and child of this great nation. We must take steps to ensure our domestic security and protect our homeland. - Adolf Hitler, proposing the creation of the Gestapo in Nazi Germany. - George Bush, Talking about the Homeland Security Act and the Patriot Act. The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home. - James Madison, fourth president of the United States I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it. - Voltaire There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On 30 Aug 2006 04:50:23 -, Anonymous via Panta Rhei Perhaps I was not sufficiently clear. Linux is not an acceptable answer. Machine limitations are a major part of that, but other considerations that I am not at liberty to discuss are also a factor. Changing OS is not an option no matter what. I have made poor choices due to financial limitations and now am locked into those choices for at least another 9.85 years. whine(and yeah, it sucks to be me.)/whine On the other hand, I have seen reports of people successfully running 0.7 on a Windows 98 computer with little difficulty. Because of this, I do not comprehend the apparent reluctance to divulge the requested help. I don't think there's any 'reluctance,' I think it's just that no one does that, so they're not particularly inclined to offer advice on how to run something on an OS they don't have. Have you looked at the support wiki (I haven't)? Also, have you described the symptoms of the problem in detail on this list (at a quick glance I don't see such, and I'm not going to bother hunting in detail when the anonymization makes it harder)? And I confess I'm quite confused by your hardware problems -- if you had a weird peripheral that Linux didn't like, that wouldn't surprise me, but I really can't imagine a computer that can run 98 but not Linux, at least as far as basics like network and non-accelerated graphics go. And it can't be a problem of not enough disk / memory / cpu -- Freenet is *way* more demanding than any minimalist Linux distro, and likely most non-minimalist ones if you at least chose a wm that's lighter than KDE or Gnome. My personal choice would be Enlightenment, but there are plenty of others, some of them exceedingly lightweight. (And yes, I've installed Linux on weird windows-only hardware. It can be a pain, but it can be done. Don't get me started on Toshiba laptops...) Evan ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: [Tech] Freenet 0.7 build 953
There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order. -Ed Howdershelt I'm quite familiar with the other folks mentioned. As a genealogist, this Ed Howdershelt interests me very much. Could you point me to more information regarding him? One of his cousin seems to have lived a few hundred yards from where my mother was born and raised. And I've heard the surname (and several variants) since I was perhaps eight to ten years of age. Thanks. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
