[freenet-support] 0.7 Censorship attack
On 9/23/06, an ominous cow herd wrote: > On Saturday 23 September 2006 09:50, nobody at geonosis.homelinux.net wrote: > > This is a Type III anonymous message, sent to you by the Winston Smith > > Project Geonosis mixminion server at geonosis.winstonsmith.info. If > > you do not want to receive anonymous messages, please contact pbox- > > admin at winstonsmith.info. For information about anonymity, see > > https://www.winstonsmith.info/pws or > > https://e-privacy.firenze.linux.it. > > > > -BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- > > Message-type: plaintext > > > > In <20060918233820.GA27941 at amphibian.dyndns.org> toad > wrote: > > >On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 02:10:57PM +0100, Volodya wrote: > > >> Lars Juel Nielsen wrote: > > >> > On 9/11/06, anon-bounces at deuxpi.ca > > >> > wrote: > > >> >> -BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- > > >> >> Message-type: plaintext > > >> >> > > >> >> I read this on frost recently. How is this best addressed? > > >> >> > > >> >> - - Scruple at rJvWGdrEj1YOqt_TMc7Wyl01t2Q - 2006.08.29 - > > >> >> 05:47:35GMT - > > >> >> > > >> >> Someone brought up the point in the boards board that your peers > > >> >> (e.g. 'friends' on 0.7) can see what you are requesting and > > >> >> inserting. I responded that this may be an avenue of attack against > > >> >> dark-net since if something 'naughty' is being requested then your > > >> >> peers will know it is either coming from you or one of your friend > > >> >> nodes. In either case thats bad news if you have something > > >> >> contraversial or 'naughty' to say - your 'friends' on the darknet > > >> >> could ask you to sever your connection with the node that's doing the > > >> >> naughty requesting, or demand to know which node is doing it of yours > > >> >> and try to track it themselves. > > >> >> > > >> >> I'll be posting this attack message on the devl and tech mailing > > >> >> lists soon. If you have any points to make then do it here, and I'll > > >> >> incorporate it into my post (this will be like a draft then). > > >> > > > >> > Premix routing, planned for 0.8. > > >> > > >> Yep, unfortunately anything short of premix will be a hack and not solve > > >> the problem. > > > > > >Maybe. There are a few hacks that would give *some* plausible > > >deniability... Well, you have some plausible deniability *now*, but > > >nothing that would stand up to a statistical attack... > > > > So essentially, if I'm looking for anonymity that can stand up to a serious > > attacker that has access to anything 2.5 billion dollars can buy, then I'd > > be better off using 0.5 for now insted of 0.7. > > > > Thank you for making that clear. I have large (2 to 20gb) files to > > distribute (no, they're not cp), that I must have very good plausible > > deniability and be able to stand up to at least a statistical attack like > > you're talking about. > > > > BTW- I read in a msg on Frost that 0.7 is speed limited to 10mb per day to > > make it more difficult for people to insert large, possibly copyrighted or > > cp binaries. Is this for real or does that poster not know what they're > > talking about? > > > > If for example only, I start an 0.7 node and begin to insert warez and cp, > > am I anonymous enough even from my peers to be safe or will the feds come > > knocking my door down? > > > > [remembering that free speech includes allowing stuff you abhor as well as > > what you agree with.] > > I find it funny that all of these 0.7 users are saying that the 0.7 network is > better and more secure than the 0.5 network. They say this even while we see > these warnings about critical bug fixes, peers in the 0.7 network being able > to monitor what comes from your node, and the IRC channels where people trade > references could have cops monitoring or actively trading these references. > Now you mention that there is a cap on bandwidth. WTF? 0.5 got pretty much the same security problems as 0.7 do and there is no cap on bandwidth, toad denied it in the a reply to the mail you replied to and I can confirm it as an user too, it may be slow but it's faster than 0.5, retain content better and there is no cap that I've run into yet. There is still work to b
Re: [freenet-support] 0.7 Censorship attack
On 9/23/06, an ominous cow herd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 23 September 2006 09:50, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a Type III anonymous message, sent to you by the Winston Smith Project Geonosis mixminion server at geonosis.winstonsmith.info. If you do not want to receive anonymous messages, please contact pbox- [EMAIL PROTECTED] For information about anonymity, see https://www.winstonsmith.info/pws or https://e-privacy.firenze.linux.it. -BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- Message-type: plaintext In [EMAIL PROTECTED] toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Sep 18, 2006 at 02:10:57PM +0100, Volodya wrote: Lars Juel Nielsen wrote: On 9/11/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- Message-type: plaintext I read this on frost recently. How is this best addressed? - - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 2006.08.29 - 05:47:35GMT - Someone brought up the point in the boards board that your peers (e.g. 'friends' on 0.7) can see what you are requesting and inserting. I responded that this may be an avenue of attack against dark-net since if something 'naughty' is being requested then your peers will know it is either coming from you or one of your friend nodes. In either case thats bad news if you have something contraversial or 'naughty' to say - your 'friends' on the darknet could ask you to sever your connection with the node that's doing the naughty requesting, or demand to know which node is doing it of yours and try to track it themselves. I'll be posting this attack message on the devl and tech mailing lists soon. If you have any points to make then do it here, and I'll incorporate it into my post (this will be like a draft then). Premix routing, planned for 0.8. Yep, unfortunately anything short of premix will be a hack and not solve the problem. Maybe. There are a few hacks that would give *some* plausible deniability... Well, you have some plausible deniability *now*, but nothing that would stand up to a statistical attack... So essentially, if I'm looking for anonymity that can stand up to a serious attacker that has access to anything 2.5 billion dollars can buy, then I'd be better off using 0.5 for now insted of 0.7. Thank you for making that clear. I have large (2 to 20gb) files to distribute (no, they're not cp), that I must have very good plausible deniability and be able to stand up to at least a statistical attack like you're talking about. BTW- I read in a msg on Frost that 0.7 is speed limited to 10mb per day to make it more difficult for people to insert large, possibly copyrighted or cp binaries. Is this for real or does that poster not know what they're talking about? If for example only, I start an 0.7 node and begin to insert warez and cp, am I anonymous enough even from my peers to be safe or will the feds come knocking my door down? [remembering that free speech includes allowing stuff you abhor as well as what you agree with.] I find it funny that all of these 0.7 users are saying that the 0.7 network is better and more secure than the 0.5 network. They say this even while we see these warnings about critical bug fixes, peers in the 0.7 network being able to monitor what comes from your node, and the IRC channels where people trade references could have cops monitoring or actively trading these references. Now you mention that there is a cap on bandwidth. WTF? 0.5 got pretty much the same security problems as 0.7 do and there is no cap on bandwidth, toad denied it in the a reply to the mail you replied to and I can confirm it as an user too, it may be slow but it's faster than 0.5, retain content better and there is no cap that I've run into yet. There is still work to be done on speeding it up but the current speed limit(whatever it is) is not intentional. This is why I'm staying with the 0.5 network until either 0.7 becomes useful, or another anonymous network (ANts http://antsp2p.sourceforge.net/) surpasses the 0.5 network in usability, popularity, and security. It would be sad to see Freenet become just a footnote in the computer chronicles while other anonymous networks become more popular and Freenet loses it's user base. Maybe some Chinese Christian dissident will use it to speak freely, but it won't matter much if there is no one to listen. - Anonymous - 2006.08.27 - 20:09:01GMT - The ref doesn't change if your IP changes. Or rather it does change but is still compatible, even toad and ian aren't that insane... You could also use a dyndns name or something similiar. I currently run 0.5 and 0.7 at the same time, 0.7 doesn't use much bandwidth anyway. (You can't get it to use more then 10 - 30kb/s) Sadly its also not usable for anything except freesites and textmessages up to now because of the ridiculous insert speed. (like 10MB/day). I really wonder
[freenet-support] 0.7 Censorship attack
On 9/11/06, anon-bounces at deuxpi.ca wrote: > This is a Type III anonymous message, sent to you by the Mixminion > server at deuxpi.ca. If you do not want to receive anonymous > messages, please contact deuxpi-admin at deuxpi.ca. For more information > about anonymity, see http://mixminion.net. > > -BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- > Message-type: plaintext > > I read this on frost recently. How is this best addressed? > > - - Scruple at rJvWGdrEj1YOqt_TMc7Wyl01t2Q - 2006.08.29 - 05:47:35GMT > - > > Someone brought up the point in the boards board that your peers (e.g. > 'friends' on 0.7) can see what you are requesting and inserting. I responded > that this may be an avenue of attack against dark-net since if something > 'naughty' is being requested then your peers will know it is either coming > from you or one of your friend nodes. In either case thats bad news if you > have something contraversial or 'naughty' to say - your 'friends' on the > darknet could ask you to sever your connection with the node that's doing the > naughty requesting, or demand to know which node is doing it of yours and try > to track it themselves. > > I'll be posting this attack message on the devl and tech mailing lists soon. > If you have any points to make then do it here, and I'll incorporate it into > my post (this will be like a draft then). Premix routing, planned for 0.8. > > Scruple > > > -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe >
Re: [freenet-support] 0.7 Censorship attack
On 9/11/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is a Type III anonymous message, sent to you by the Mixminion server at deuxpi.ca. If you do not want to receive anonymous messages, please contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] For more information about anonymity, see http://mixminion.net. -BEGIN TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- Message-type: plaintext I read this on frost recently. How is this best addressed? - - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 2006.08.29 - 05:47:35GMT - Someone brought up the point in the boards board that your peers (e.g. 'friends' on 0.7) can see what you are requesting and inserting. I responded that this may be an avenue of attack against dark-net since if something 'naughty' is being requested then your peers will know it is either coming from you or one of your friend nodes. In either case thats bad news if you have something contraversial or 'naughty' to say - your 'friends' on the darknet could ask you to sever your connection with the node that's doing the naughty requesting, or demand to know which node is doing it of yours and try to track it themselves. I'll be posting this attack message on the devl and tech mailing lists soon. If you have any points to make then do it here, and I'll incorporate it into my post (this will be like a draft then). Premix routing, planned for 0.8. Scruple -END TYPE III ANONYMOUS MESSAGE- ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] UNINSTALLER
On 9/7/06, tommie delap wrote: >i dont know but limewire works really well!!! tell your friends to stay > away from freenet , it sucks bad!!! You do realise that freenet and limewire are not trying to solve the same problem, right? Freenet is trying to do highly annonymous communication and publishing. Limewire is trying to do fast and not nearly(I'm not even sure if they try to) as annonymous filesharing. > > > Massimiliano Damaggio wrote: > > Hi, > > please tell me how can i disinstall freenet. > > Thanks > > > Massimiliano Damaggio > via Cavallotti 126 > I - 20052 Monza > 039.98.02.389 > 347.99.12.389 > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti da tanto > spazio gratuito per i tuoi file e i messaggi > http://mail.yahoo.it > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or > mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or > mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > >
Re: [freenet-support] UNINSTALLER
On 9/7/06, tommie delap [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i dont know but limewire works really well!!! tell your friends to stay away from freenet , it sucks bad!!! You do realise that freenet and limewire are not trying to solve the same problem, right? Freenet is trying to do highly annonymous communication and publishing. Limewire is trying to do fast and not nearly(I'm not even sure if they try to) as annonymous filesharing. Massimiliano Damaggio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, please tell me how can i disinstall freenet. Thanks Massimiliano Damaggio via Cavallotti 126 I - 20052 Monza 039.98.02.389 347.99.12.389 __ Do You Yahoo!? Poco spazio e tanto spam? Yahoo! Mail ti protegge dallo spam e ti da tanto spazio gratuito per i tuoi file e i messaggi http://mail.yahoo.it ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Stay in the know. Pulse on the new Yahoo.com. Check it out. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On 8/27/06, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: > Through the opennet. Which won't exist for, like, a year. > Hmmm. Except they won't be using the opennet at all if they're serious enough about keeping their net and themselves safe that they won't use IRC to find new connections. The end result of using opennet and getting refs through IRC is the same, except it's a little easier for both them and the possible attacker with opennet as it's completely automated. > > On 8/26/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > > >>Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens > > >>to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main > > >>network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is > > >>setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to > > >>everyone else. > > > > > >That is not true. Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global network, not > > >multiple independent networks consisting of small groups. > > > > > >Ian. > > > > Ian, > > > > How can freenet grow to be a global network unless someone in one group > > trades connection information with someone in another group? > > > > Hypothetical - A group of people in England, another in France, another in > > Russia, and another in China have grown individual trusted 0.7 freenets. No > > one in any of these groups knows someone in the other freenet group, and > > they don't want to just advertise in IRC chat to find someone to connect to > > because they don't know and trust this as a way to add people to their > > freenet. How will these freenet groups become a part of a global network? > > > > _ > > Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > > http://search.msn.com/ > > > > ___ > > Support mailing list > > Support at freenetproject.org > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > Unsubscribe at > > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > -- > > http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesid=0t=57;> border="0" alt="Get Firefox!" title="Get Firefox!" > src="http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe >
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On 8/27/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Through the opennet. Which won't exist for, like, a year. Hmmm. Except they won't be using the opennet at all if they're serious enough about keeping their net and themselves safe that they won't use IRC to find new connections. The end result of using opennet and getting refs through IRC is the same, except it's a little easier for both them and the possible attacker with opennet as it's completely automated. On 8/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to everyone else. That is not true. Freenet 0.7 is designed to form one global network, not multiple independent networks consisting of small groups. Ian. Ian, How can freenet grow to be a global network unless someone in one group trades connection information with someone in another group? Hypothetical - A group of people in England, another in France, another in Russia, and another in China have grown individual trusted 0.7 freenets. No one in any of these groups knows someone in the other freenet group, and they don't want to just advertise in IRC chat to find someone to connect to because they don't know and trust this as a way to add people to their freenet. How will these freenet groups become a part of a global network? _ Don't just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! http://search.msn.com/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- HTML a href=http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesamp;id=0amp;t=57;img border=0 alt=Get Firefox! title=Get Firefox! src=http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif//a ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On 8/25/06, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: > True, but the opennet isn't illegal. > I'm not in any way saying the darknet shouldn't be added...it's a > great feature...but freenet has always been an opennet, and that > should be done first. People who want a darknet are probably already > using other programs like Waste. If they start thinking about making > the opennet form of freenet illegal, we'll know long before it > happens. And there will be plenty of people (EFF, ACLU, etc) fighting > it. I realize there are other countries where they can't use an > opennet, but like I said, there are other darknet programs out there. > That's not what freenet is. Waste doesn't scale nearly as well as freenet 0.7 so there is a reason to do it. Besides, if we don't get a darknet it'll all be a wasted effort in a few years when they outlaw freenet for some reason which I believe will happen and I'd be surprised if it take more than 5 more years. > > On 8/24/06, Lars Juel Nielsen wrote: > > On 8/24/06, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: > > > "As I see it 0.7 relies on a bunch of people hooking up by sharing node > > > information. I may be a part of a freenet 0.7 network that consists of > > > less > > > than 20 people. Out there somewhere else is another group of people, but > > > that group might be 100 people. Unless someone in the 2 groups makes a > > > connection, shares node information, the 2 groups don't talk to each > > > other. > > > Making matters worse, the only connection they have is through that one > > > shared connection. There is no redundancy. Am I wrong in this assumption?" > > > > > > Yup...pretty much. That's why so many people refuse to switch to 0.7 > > > until there's a working opennet. I'm one of them. With an opennet, you > > > connect to anyone who's online, with multiple connections. Don't have > > > to trade references and you get a lot more connections with no effort. > > > > What will you do when freenet is made illegal and all the nodes are > > being harvested and blocked by a national firewall? Then the whole > > network fall apart, this can not happen with a darknet if it's done > > right. To take down a darknet you have to find participants and trick > > them to letting you in and then you can start finding out which hosts > > are part of it. > > > > It's a lot easier, cheaper and faster to take down an opennet than a > > darknet. > > > > > Not totally sure about the 'if the one node linking them dies you lose > > > all that data' part...seems like that's how it'd be handled, but I > > > haven't looked into 0.7 too much...because it has no opennet, so I > > > have no use for it. > > > > > > On 8/24/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > > > > What about a pipe to the 0.5 freenet from 0.7 that allows access to the > > > > data? A 1-way street. 0.7 can add data to the 0.7 freenet, but can and > > > > to > > > > the 0.5 freenet. Only access the data. From what I have gathered, > > > > 'inserting' data into freenet is not a quick task. > > > > > > > > As I see it 0.7 relies on a bunch of people hooking up by sharing node > > > > information. I may be a part of a freenet 0.7 network that consists of > > > > less > > > > than 20 people. Out there somewhere else is another group of people, but > > > > that group might be 100 people. Unless someone in the 2 groups makes a > > > > connection, shares node information, the 2 groups don't talk to each > > > > other. > > > > Making matters worse, the only connection they have is through that one > > > > shared connection. There is no redundancy. Am I wrong in this > > > > assumption? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >From: urza9814 at gmail.com > > > > >Reply-To: support at freenetproject.org > > > > >To: support at freenetproject.org > > > > >Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 > > > > >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:01:46 -0400 > > > > > > > > > >Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens > > > > >to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main > > > > >network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is > > > > >setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to > > > > >everyone else. Pretty much, there's nowhere for the content to go
[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On 8/25/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > >From: "Lars Juel Nielsen" > > >to take down a darknet you have to find participants and trick > >them to letting you in and then you can start finding out which hosts > >are part of it. > > Wait - Wait - You don't have to be tricked into letting someone in. All they > have to do is go to the IRC Chat and advertise they have freenet and want to > exchange information with someone. Someone exchanges information with them > and they in. Or are you saying everyone who joined was tricked into joining > Freenet in the first place? > For now that is true, they could just go on IRC and get connected but I'm talking about in the long run and people who are way too cautious to do something as silly as that. Anyway the IRC thing is just for bootstrapping the main network the devs are trying to create. People who want to have their own private darknets can easily do so too. > I guess you mean there will be all these small darknets of people who are > isolated from the rest of the wrold because they don't know anyone they can > trust so they will never give out their node information. If that were the > case, I wouldn't be running a freenet server right now. I would be me, with > freenet running; an isolated entity within my own darknet, because I've > never met anyone who has ever said they were running freenet. > > _ > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe >
[freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On 8/24/06, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: > "As I see it 0.7 relies on a bunch of people hooking up by sharing node > information. I may be a part of a freenet 0.7 network that consists of less > than 20 people. Out there somewhere else is another group of people, but > that group might be 100 people. Unless someone in the 2 groups makes a > connection, shares node information, the 2 groups don't talk to each other. > Making matters worse, the only connection they have is through that one > shared connection. There is no redundancy. Am I wrong in this assumption?" > > Yup...pretty much. That's why so many people refuse to switch to 0.7 > until there's a working opennet. I'm one of them. With an opennet, you > connect to anyone who's online, with multiple connections. Don't have > to trade references and you get a lot more connections with no effort. What will you do when freenet is made illegal and all the nodes are being harvested and blocked by a national firewall? Then the whole network fall apart, this can not happen with a darknet if it's done right. To take down a darknet you have to find participants and trick them to letting you in and then you can start finding out which hosts are part of it. It's a lot easier, cheaper and faster to take down an opennet than a darknet. > Not totally sure about the 'if the one node linking them dies you lose > all that data' part...seems like that's how it'd be handled, but I > haven't looked into 0.7 too much...because it has no opennet, so I > have no use for it. > > On 8/24/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > > What about a pipe to the 0.5 freenet from 0.7 that allows access to the > > data? A 1-way street. 0.7 can add data to the 0.7 freenet, but can and to > > the 0.5 freenet. Only access the data. From what I have gathered, > > 'inserting' data into freenet is not a quick task. > > > > As I see it 0.7 relies on a bunch of people hooking up by sharing node > > information. I may be a part of a freenet 0.7 network that consists of less > > than 20 people. Out there somewhere else is another group of people, but > > that group might be 100 people. Unless someone in the 2 groups makes a > > connection, shares node information, the 2 groups don't talk to each other. > > Making matters worse, the only connection they have is through that one > > shared connection. There is no redundancy. Am I wrong in this assumption? > > > > > > > > > > >From: urza9814 at gmail.com > > >Reply-To: support at freenetproject.org > > >To: support at freenetproject.org > > >Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 > > >Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:01:46 -0400 > > > > > >Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens > > >to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main > > >network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is > > >setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to > > >everyone else. Pretty much, there's nowhere for the content to go. > > >It'd be like trying to move everything on the internet to your local > > >LAN. > > >That, and it's just a complete program re-write I believe. It's quite > > >easy to 'convert' the content...open a page, save it, and then > > >re-upload it. The data stores work differently, and anyways the data > > >is distributed, so there wouldn't be any easy way to move it over. > > > > > >On 8/24/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > > >>I've got a question for the developers. > > >> > > >>First a couple of comments. > > >> > > >>I've been watching the thread 0.5 vs 0.7, and although you want to move it > > >>somewhere else I welcome it. > > >> > > >>I brought up 0.7 about 5 days ago. It's been running ever since, I think. > > >>I > > >>don't monitor the PC that it is on, but I do see activity on the router > > >>port > > >>for the PC. I didn't much like the idea of asking people to let me access > > >>Freenet through them, but I did. I still think that is a good idea to gain > > >>initial access to Freenet, but after that it should go find other nodes > > >>and > > >>establish connections to them. I shouldn't have to always rely on the ones > > >>that were on IRC chat at the time I decided to set up the application. > > >> > > >>That said, here is by question. > > >> > > >> >From what I've seen here, there is a huge base of Freenet users on 0.5, > > >>and > > >>a large amount of content. What I fail to understand is why going to > > >>version > > >>0.7 all of that userbase and content was dropped. Why there was no way to > > >>connect to that Freenet and have access to the users and the content. I've > > >>tried to think of an example of some other internet application that made > > >>such a radical change that the entire existing base was dropped, and quite > > >>frankly I can't come up with one. I've seen application for my PC change > > >>so > > >>radically the data from the old application had to be converted before it > > >>would work, but a migration
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I see it 0.7 relies on a bunch of people hooking up by sharing node information. I may be a part of a freenet 0.7 network that consists of less than 20 people. Out there somewhere else is another group of people, but that group might be 100 people. Unless someone in the 2 groups makes a connection, shares node information, the 2 groups don't talk to each other. Making matters worse, the only connection they have is through that one shared connection. There is no redundancy. Am I wrong in this assumption? Yup...pretty much. That's why so many people refuse to switch to 0.7 until there's a working opennet. I'm one of them. With an opennet, you connect to anyone who's online, with multiple connections. Don't have to trade references and you get a lot more connections with no effort. What will you do when freenet is made illegal and all the nodes are being harvested and blocked by a national firewall? Then the whole network fall apart, this can not happen with a darknet if it's done right. To take down a darknet you have to find participants and trick them to letting you in and then you can start finding out which hosts are part of it. It's a lot easier, cheaper and faster to take down an opennet than a darknet. Not totally sure about the 'if the one node linking them dies you lose all that data' part...seems like that's how it'd be handled, but I haven't looked into 0.7 too much...because it has no opennet, so I have no use for it. On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about a pipe to the 0.5 freenet from 0.7 that allows access to the data? A 1-way street. 0.7 can add data to the 0.7 freenet, but can and to the 0.5 freenet. Only access the data. From what I have gathered, 'inserting' data into freenet is not a quick task. As I see it 0.7 relies on a bunch of people hooking up by sharing node information. I may be a part of a freenet 0.7 network that consists of less than 20 people. Out there somewhere else is another group of people, but that group might be 100 people. Unless someone in the 2 groups makes a connection, shares node information, the 2 groups don't talk to each other. Making matters worse, the only connection they have is through that one shared connection. There is no redundancy. Am I wrong in this assumption? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: support@freenetproject.org To: support@freenetproject.org Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:01:46 -0400 Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to everyone else. Pretty much, there's nowhere for the content to go. It'd be like trying to move everything on the internet to your local LAN. That, and it's just a complete program re-write I believe. It's quite easy to 'convert' the content...open a page, save it, and then re-upload it. The data stores work differently, and anyways the data is distributed, so there wouldn't be any easy way to move it over. On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got a question for the developers. First a couple of comments. I've been watching the thread 0.5 vs 0.7, and although you want to move it somewhere else I welcome it. I brought up 0.7 about 5 days ago. It's been running ever since, I think. I don't monitor the PC that it is on, but I do see activity on the router port for the PC. I didn't much like the idea of asking people to let me access Freenet through them, but I did. I still think that is a good idea to gain initial access to Freenet, but after that it should go find other nodes and establish connections to them. I shouldn't have to always rely on the ones that were on IRC chat at the time I decided to set up the application. That said, here is by question. From what I've seen here, there is a huge base of Freenet users on 0.5, and a large amount of content. What I fail to understand is why going to version 0.7 all of that userbase and content was dropped. Why there was no way to connect to that Freenet and have access to the users and the content. I've tried to think of an example of some other internet application that made such a radical change that the entire existing base was dropped, and quite frankly I can't come up with one. I've seen application for my PC change so radically the data from the old application had to be converted before it would work, but a migration path was always provided. Developers, why did you do that? I'm new to the Freenet community, and I find it incredulous that years of effort involved with building the Freenet community was abandoned completely. What you have created is a 0.5 and a 0.7 Freenet; both will exist into the
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On 8/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Lars Juel Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] to take down a darknet you have to find participants and trick them to letting you in and then you can start finding out which hosts are part of it. Wait - Wait - You don't have to be tricked into letting someone in. All they have to do is go to the IRC Chat and advertise they have freenet and want to exchange information with someone. Someone exchanges information with them and they in. Or are you saying everyone who joined was tricked into joining Freenet in the first place? For now that is true, they could just go on IRC and get connected but I'm talking about in the long run and people who are way too cautious to do something as silly as that. Anyway the IRC thing is just for bootstrapping the main network the devs are trying to create. People who want to have their own private darknets can easily do so too. I guess you mean there will be all these small darknets of people who are isolated from the rest of the wrold because they don't know anyone they can trust so they will never give out their node information. If that were the case, I wouldn't be running a freenet server right now. I would be me, with freenet running; an isolated entity within my own darknet, because I've never met anyone who has ever said they were running freenet. _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7
On 8/25/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: True, but the opennet isn't illegal. I'm not in any way saying the darknet shouldn't be added...it's a great feature...but freenet has always been an opennet, and that should be done first. People who want a darknet are probably already using other programs like Waste. If they start thinking about making the opennet form of freenet illegal, we'll know long before it happens. And there will be plenty of people (EFF, ACLU, etc) fighting it. I realize there are other countries where they can't use an opennet, but like I said, there are other darknet programs out there. That's not what freenet is. Waste doesn't scale nearly as well as freenet 0.7 so there is a reason to do it. Besides, if we don't get a darknet it'll all be a wasted effort in a few years when they outlaw freenet for some reason which I believe will happen and I'd be surprised if it take more than 5 more years. On 8/24/06, Lars Juel Nielsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I see it 0.7 relies on a bunch of people hooking up by sharing node information. I may be a part of a freenet 0.7 network that consists of less than 20 people. Out there somewhere else is another group of people, but that group might be 100 people. Unless someone in the 2 groups makes a connection, shares node information, the 2 groups don't talk to each other. Making matters worse, the only connection they have is through that one shared connection. There is no redundancy. Am I wrong in this assumption? Yup...pretty much. That's why so many people refuse to switch to 0.7 until there's a working opennet. I'm one of them. With an opennet, you connect to anyone who's online, with multiple connections. Don't have to trade references and you get a lot more connections with no effort. What will you do when freenet is made illegal and all the nodes are being harvested and blocked by a national firewall? Then the whole network fall apart, this can not happen with a darknet if it's done right. To take down a darknet you have to find participants and trick them to letting you in and then you can start finding out which hosts are part of it. It's a lot easier, cheaper and faster to take down an opennet than a darknet. Not totally sure about the 'if the one node linking them dies you lose all that data' part...seems like that's how it'd be handled, but I haven't looked into 0.7 too much...because it has no opennet, so I have no use for it. On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What about a pipe to the 0.5 freenet from 0.7 that allows access to the data? A 1-way street. 0.7 can add data to the 0.7 freenet, but can and to the 0.5 freenet. Only access the data. From what I have gathered, 'inserting' data into freenet is not a quick task. As I see it 0.7 relies on a bunch of people hooking up by sharing node information. I may be a part of a freenet 0.7 network that consists of less than 20 people. Out there somewhere else is another group of people, but that group might be 100 people. Unless someone in the 2 groups makes a connection, shares node information, the 2 groups don't talk to each other. Making matters worse, the only connection they have is through that one shared connection. There is no redundancy. Am I wrong in this assumption? From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: support@freenetproject.org To: support@freenetproject.org Subject: Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0,5 and 0,7 Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:01:46 -0400 Freenet 0.5 is an opennet. You connect to any random node that happens to be on. Freenet 0.7 doesn't have this yet. In 0.7, there is no main network. There might be now, but the idea of the way it currently is setup is to allow small groups to connect without connecting to everyone else. Pretty much, there's nowhere for the content to go. It'd be like trying to move everything on the internet to your local LAN. That, and it's just a complete program re-write I believe. It's quite easy to 'convert' the content...open a page, save it, and then re-upload it. The data stores work differently, and anyways the data is distributed, so there wouldn't be any easy way to move it over. On 8/24/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've got a question for the developers. First a couple of comments. I've been watching the thread 0.5 vs 0.7, and although you want to move it somewhere else I welcome it. I brought up 0.7 about 5 days ago. It's been running ever since, I think. I don't monitor the PC that it is on, but I do see activity on the router port for the PC. I didn't much like the idea of asking people to let me access Freenet through them, but I did. I still think that is a good idea to gain initial access to Freenet, but after that it should
[freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7
On 8/23/06, urza9814 at gmail.com wrote: > With 0.5's opennet you don't have to exchange node references. At all. > Your node does it for you. And you'll usually have around 400 > connections with the default settings. And 0.5 has more content and > probably more users, though I'm not sure on that one. The problem with this is that it's very cheap and easy to infiltrate such a network compared to the darknet aproach that 0.7 is taking. It's just a matter of having enough bandwidth, and a slightly modified freenetnode and you can pretend to be a lot of nodes(or you could just run a lot of nodes) and get connected all over the network and start snooping on stuff. Then a bunch of CPU time to crack the encryption used. Very easy to automate and very cheap compared to what you have to do to do the same on a darknet. On a darknet you have to use social engineering to trick members to letting you in, and that mean you also have to find a member first if they have a small network by themselves instead of using the main network. > > > On 8/23/06, diddler4u at hotmail.com wrote: > > I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5 > > vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about > > OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping to > > find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains > > information about 0.7. > > > > I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my > > bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got > > it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet > > user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a > > connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection to > > someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running Freenet > > I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could connect > > to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have > > no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are. > > For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town, > > the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5, > > FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track > > messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I > > tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to Freent > > fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much. > > > > I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 nodes, > > none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information, the > > last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they > > come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new > > nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get > > people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to > > spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going > > to have to make sure it stays connected. > > > > Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on IRC > > chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection > > to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to > > automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is > > made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I > > should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections > > throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected to > > and am simply a node in a collective whole. > > > > I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll > > leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide > > whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely. > > > > _ > > FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! > > http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ > > > > ___ > > Support mailing list > > Support at freenetproject.org > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > Unsubscribe at > > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > -- > > http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesid=0t=57;> border="0" alt="Get Firefox!" title="Get Firefox!" > src="http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif"/> > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.5 or Freenet 0.7
On 8/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: With 0.5's opennet you don't have to exchange node references. At all. Your node does it for you. And you'll usually have around 400 connections with the default settings. And 0.5 has more content and probably more users, though I'm not sure on that one. The problem with this is that it's very cheap and easy to infiltrate such a network compared to the darknet aproach that 0.7 is taking. It's just a matter of having enough bandwidth, and a slightly modified freenetnode and you can pretend to be a lot of nodes(or you could just run a lot of nodes) and get connected all over the network and start snooping on stuff. Then a bunch of CPU time to crack the encryption used. Very easy to automate and very cheap compared to what you have to do to do the same on a darknet. On a darknet you have to use social engineering to trick members to letting you in, and that mean you also have to find a member first if they have a small network by themselves instead of using the main network. On 8/23/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm new to Freenet and have been watching the discussion about version 0.5 vs 0.7. I'm not sure what is meant when the 0.5 advocates talk about OpenNet, so could someone enlighten me? I went to the Freenet site hoping to find information related to 0.5, even in the WIKI, but it now only contains information about 0.7. I have dedicate an unmonitored Windows XP Pro machine and 1/3 of my bandwidth to Freenet. I downloaded and installed 0.7, a no brainer, and got it running, but had no nodes to connect to. I had to know another Freenet user, preferably someone I knew and trusted, and manually establish a connection to them, and they in turn had to have established a connection to someone else. Since I know absolutely no other person who is running Freenet I had to learn how to use IRC Chat so I could ask someone if I could connect to them. These connections are my sole points of contact to Freenet. I have no idea how 0.5 handles finding nodes. I don't know who these people are. For all I know they could be individuals living on the other side of town, the country, or the world and they could just as easily be members of MI5, FBI, CIA, or any number of other organizations who monitor and track messages on the internet. I do know their IP address, and they know mine. I tried to find some people who run 24/7 since having a PC dedicated to Freent fulltime, without having someone who is also on 24/7 is not worth much. I have 7 people who have exchanged node information with me. Of the 7 nodes, none are currently connected to me, and if I understand the information, the last to go offline did so more than 14 hours ago. I can wait to see if they come back online, or I can go back into the IRC chat and try to find new nodes. I absolutely hate having to spend time in IRC chat trying to get people to exchange connection information with me. I have better things to spend my time on, and if Freenet wants my machine and bandwidth it's going to have to make sure it stays connected. Freenet should have me put in a single node, any node, even one found on IRC chat, and spider the rest of Freenet establishing and making new connection to ensure it stays connected, or it should do something else to automatically establish connections. At any rate, once that connection is made, Freenet should randomly move my connections throughout the Freenet. I should never have hard and firm connections. By 'floating' my connections throughout Freenet it can honestly be said I don't know who I'm connected to and am simply a node in a collective whole. I'm going to continue to watch the forum and see how things progress. I'll leave my current 0.7 Freenet installed and over the coming weeks decide whether to continue, remove and install 0.5, or just shut down completely. _ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- HTML a href=http://www.spreadfirefox.com/?q=affiliatesamp;id=0amp;t=57;img border=0 alt=Get Firefox! title=Get Firefox! src=http://sfx-images.mozilla.org/affiliates/Buttons/180x60/blank.gif//a ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support
[freenet-support] Some 0.7 questions
On 6/24/06, Kevin Bennett wrote: > Hello. Can I ask a question on the new Freenet? > > I understand that version 0.7 is supposed to have two parts, an open network > and a "darknet" and that at the moment only the "darknet" part is working > and that to connect to it I have to get somebody else's node reference and > add it to my node whilst the other person does the same with my reference. > OK so far. > > 1. When I do this process and connect to a few nodes, are those the only > nodes to which I will ever connect, or does the act of joining the network > through those nodes then allow my node to learn about and connect to other > nodes whose references I don't explicitly add myself? No peers will be added automatically. The general concensus is that a fitting amount of peers is 5 to 20 peers depending on bandwidth constraints and how many people you trust. > > 2. If/when the open net appears, will it be completely separate from the > darknet or will being in the darknet automatically join my node to the open > network? > > Thank you in advance for any answers you can give. > > Kevin. > -- > All semiconductors work using smoke. Once you let the smoke out of them they > stop working. > > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe >
Re: [freenet-support] Some 0.7 questions
On 6/24/06, Kevin Bennett [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello. Can I ask a question on the new Freenet? I understand that version 0.7 is supposed to have two parts, an open network and a darknet and that at the moment only the darknet part is working and that to connect to it I have to get somebody else's node reference and add it to my node whilst the other person does the same with my reference. OK so far. 1. When I do this process and connect to a few nodes, are those the only nodes to which I will ever connect, or does the act of joining the network through those nodes then allow my node to learn about and connect to other nodes whose references I don't explicitly add myself? No peers will be added automatically. The general concensus is that a fitting amount of peers is 5 to 20 peers depending on bandwidth constraints and how many people you trust. 2. If/when the open net appears, will it be completely separate from the darknet or will being in the darknet automatically join my node to the open network? Thank you in advance for any answers you can give. Kevin. -- All semiconductors work using smoke. Once you let the smoke out of them they stop working. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] How to?
On 6/20/06, patou22 wrote: > I didn't make a list. I won't go and make a list. > So, i didn't remove registry key. For the moment freenet is desactivate. Remember to tell us if it actually fixed your problem to disable it. And we'd like to know how much RAM you have it fixed the problem. > > Matthew Toseland a ?crit : > > On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 04:37:05PM +0200, patou22 wrote: > > > >> Lars Juel Nielsen a ?crit : > >> > >>> On 6/20/06, patou22 wrote: > >>> > >>>> But, > >>>> Freenet has several registry key!! > >>>> remove the service and delete the directory 'll not be a clean > >>>> uninstalation > >>>> > >>> It does? Which? > >>> > >> Search for "freenet" in the registry and you'll find a lot of key. I can > >> 't say how many!, but too/ > >> > > > > Please give me a list. > > > > > > > > ___ > > Support mailing list > > Support at freenetproject.org > > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > > Unsubscribe at > > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 19/06/2006 > > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe >
[freenet-support] How to?
On 6/20/06, patou22 wrote: > But, > Freenet has several registry key!! > remove the service and delete the directory 'll not be a clean uninstalation It does? Which? > > Matthew Toseland a ?crit : > > I'm sorry to hear that. You have to remove the service and then delete > > the directory. > > > > Is your computer very short on RAM? Freenet 0.7 shouldn't cause freezing > > of your PC, though it's conceivable that it might push it over the edge > > if it hasn't got enough RAM; how much RAM does your PC have? Hint: > > anything less than 256MB on Windows XP is really dodgy... > > > > Please tell us whether uninstalling Freenet solves the freezing problem, > > we need to know. > > > > On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 11:03:35AM +0200, Jan Johansson wrote: > > > > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe >
Re: [freenet-support] How to?
On 6/20/06, patou22 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, Freenet has several registry key!! remove the service and delete the directory 'll not be a clean uninstalation It does? Which? Matthew Toseland a écrit : I'm sorry to hear that. You have to remove the service and then delete the directory. Is your computer very short on RAM? Freenet 0.7 shouldn't cause freezing of your PC, though it's conceivable that it might push it over the edge if it hasn't got enough RAM; how much RAM does your PC have? Hint: anything less than 256MB on Windows XP is really dodgy... Please tell us whether uninstalling Freenet solves the freezing problem, we need to know. On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 11:03:35AM +0200, Jan Johansson wrote: ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] How to?
On 6/20/06, patou22 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I didn't make a list. I won't go and make a list. So, i didn't remove registry key. For the moment freenet is desactivate. Remember to tell us if it actually fixed your problem to disable it. And we'd like to know how much RAM you have it fixed the problem. Matthew Toseland a écrit : On Tue, Jun 20, 2006 at 04:37:05PM +0200, patou22 wrote: Lars Juel Nielsen a écrit : On 6/20/06, patou22 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But, Freenet has several registry key!! remove the service and delete the directory 'll not be a clean uninstalation It does? Which? Search for freenet in the registry and you'll find a lot of key. I can 't say how many!, but too/ Please give me a list. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.1/369 - Release Date: 19/06/2006 ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] dedicated linux server
On 6/5/06, / phred / wrote: > OK, Freenet is making my windows box run way too hot. (3.0 AMD / 2G /XP Pro) > Normally runs 94-98F, when I push really hard it gets up to 114-118F. > Freenet puts me up at 125-129F! > Slows everthing down to the point of unusability. So, I either have to turn > freenet off during the day, or move it off to a dedicated server. > > So, I've got an old box sitting here - 666 Celeron / 256M / 60G > I'd like to put linux on it & run it as a stand alone freenet box. > Any suggestions on what flavor of linux would be easiest to set up freenet > on?(remember it's ONLY for freenet) > Any other things I'm going to need to set up / know? > Is there a readable faq/manual somewhere? > Anybody willing to help off list (via email or irc) > After OS & Swap, how much of the remaining drive space would it be ok to > dedicate to freenet? > Split temp & store 50/50? > Does java for linux behave any better? > > Any tricks to configuring mainport.bindAddress & mainport.allowedHosts? > What about fuqid & frost? > > > > > > You start with a bag full of luck and an empty bag of experience. The trick > is to fill the bag of experience before you empty the bag of luck. > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > If you can get Sun Java on it and possibly recent versions of GIJ or GCJ it shouldn't be a problem AFAIK but I haven't tried myself just mentioning what I've heard.
[freenet-support] Not Sure How To Get Started
On 5/22/06, King Chung Huang wrote: > Hi, > > I installed freenet on Mac OS X and started it. I can visit my > localhost on port and see the Web Interface. But, what do I do > now? Clicking on the default bookmarks doesn't do anything. The FAQs > suggest that it may take a while for the connections to be > established, but I'm still unable to load any of the bookmarks after > an hour. Is there something else I should be doing? I'm not using NAT > on this computer, and there's no firewall in place. I'm a bit lost on > what to do to get pages to load. > > Thanks, > > King Chung Huang > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > If it's freenet 0.5 try waiting a day or two with the node running. If it's freenet 0.7 you should exchange references with people, most people seem to be doing this on #freenet-refs on freenode IRC( irc.freenode.net ).
Re: [freenet-support] Not Sure How To Get Started
On 5/22/06, King Chung Huang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I installed freenet on Mac OS X and started it. I can visit my localhost on port and see the Web Interface. But, what do I do now? Clicking on the default bookmarks doesn't do anything. The FAQs suggest that it may take a while for the connections to be established, but I'm still unable to load any of the bookmarks after an hour. Is there something else I should be doing? I'm not using NAT on this computer, and there's no firewall in place. I'm a bit lost on what to do to get pages to load. Thanks, King Chung Huang ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] If it's freenet 0.5 try waiting a day or two with the node running. If it's freenet 0.7 you should exchange references with people, most people seem to be doing this on #freenet-refs on freenode IRC( irc.freenode.net ). ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Key retrieval/data not found messages
On 5/14/06, george koslowski wrote: > I'm opening the Freenet Gateway, entering an index site and extremely few > links actually work. Most of the times I get either the message "The network > is busy, try again later" or "Freenet could not find the data" or even > "Freenet could not retrieve the key". > > To give you a good example, I'm trying to download fuquid from the > freenetproject.org/tools and I constantly get the "network busy" message. > That can't be an inactive link right? I mean it's right int the official > site.. > > Where's the problem? Could it be in my configuration settings or is it for > Freent to blame? > > Thanks > > > > Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. PC-to-Phone calls for ridiculously low rates. > > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or > mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > Are you running version 0.5 or 0.7 alpha?
[freenet-support] Uninstall?
On 4/16/06, Jeremy Cowles wrote: > I have recently installed FreeNet (beta 0.7 - I think). I want to uninstall > it, but and the documentation says to go to: Start > Programs > Freenet > > Uninstall. I do not have a "Freenet" folder on my start menu. Any > suggestions? > > This is on Win XP. > > Thanks, > Jeremy > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at > http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or > mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe > > I can't remember what it's called exactly but there's some program on windows for managing services, open that and find freenet in the list, stop it, set it to need to start manually to run and then delete the folder you installed freenet in. You can not get the service to not be listed in the service program without editing the registry but I don't what to change in there maybe someone else on here know?
Re: [freenet-support] Uninstall?
On 4/16/06, Jeremy Cowles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have recently installed FreeNet (beta 0.7 - I think). I want to uninstall it, but and the documentation says to go to: Start Programs Freenet Uninstall. I do not have a Freenet folder on my start menu. Any suggestions? This is on Win XP. Thanks, Jeremy ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I can't remember what it's called exactly but there's some program on windows for managing services, open that and find freenet in the list, stop it, set it to need to start manually to run and then delete the folder you installed freenet in. You can not get the service to not be listed in the service program without editing the registry but I don't what to change in there maybe someone else on here know? ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Installation problem: HTTP:/1.1 307
On 4/15/06, Evan Daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/14/06, Gubben Noa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Windows XP SP2, when I try try to install Freenet, I get the error Download of seednodes.zip failed: 'HTTP/1.1 307'. The same error is given for all files the installer tries to download. HTTP status code 307 is Temporary Redirect. How should I proceed to successfully install Freenet? I know it might not be the answer you were looking for, but have you considered trying 0.7 instead of 0.5? Early results suggest it works better... HTH Evan Daniel ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] There's currently a mirroring problem affecting 0.7 freenet-cvs-snapshot.jar downloads it might be the same that does this. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Accepting fproxy connections from LAN
On 4/8/06, Chris Johnson wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to access freenet from another computer on the same network. I've > searched a lot for this problem. I keep reading that I should add these > lines to freenet.ini: > > mainport.bindAddress=* > mainport.allowedHosts=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.0/24 > > I'm using the new 0.7 version. In my ini file, those lines don't exist. I > can add them, but when the daemon restarts, the lines are removed. Are > these not the correct lines to add? > ___ That's how it was done in 0.5 but I haven't seen anything about how to do it in 0.7 or if it's even possible.
Re: [freenet-support] Accepting fproxy connections from LAN
On 4/8/06, Chris Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello, I'm trying to access freenet from another computer on the same network. I've searched a lot for this problem. I keep reading that I should add these lines to freenet.ini: mainport.bindAddress=* mainport.allowedHosts=127.0.0.1,192.168.1.0/24 I'm using the new 0.7 version. In my ini file, those lines don't exist. I can add them, but when the daemon restarts, the lines are removed. Are these not the correct lines to add? ___ That's how it was done in 0.5 but I haven't seen anything about how to do it in 0.7 or if it's even possible. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Mac OS X Support
On 4/5/06, CWR wrote: > I was wondering if anyone was working on a GUI frontend for Mac OS X > for this application? If not I was wondering if anyone was interested > in working on something like that. > Frontend to what exactly?
Re: [freenet-support] Mac OS X Support
On 4/5/06, CWR [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was wondering if anyone was working on a GUI frontend for Mac OS X for this application? If not I was wondering if anyone was interested in working on something like that. Frontend to what exactly? ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Freenet .7 alpha CSS Error
On 4/4/06, James wrote: > Hi, > > I'm running the current .7 alpha which just went public. > > version=Fred,0.7,1.0,616 > > Sometimes when using FProxy, and adding a node reference, it shows me > only the CSS information - one of the .css files from the server.. > then it will show me the html without any CSS data. > > They see this on the freenode IRC channel #freenet as well and I was > told to report it here. I am not being too verbose in the error > perhaps just in case you already know of it, but let me know if I can > be of any help. > You need to update then, it was supposedly fixed in 621.
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet .7 alpha CSS Error
On 4/4/06, James [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, I'm running the current .7 alpha which just went public. version=Fred,0.7,1.0,616 Sometimes when using FProxy, and adding a node reference, it shows me only the CSS information - one of the .css files from the server.. then it will show me the html without any CSS data. They see this on the freenode IRC channel #freenet as well and I was told to report it here. I am not being too verbose in the error perhaps just in case you already know of it, but let me know if I can be of any help. You need to update then, it was supposedly fixed in 621. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Is it important to change the default port ?
If I recall right it's randomly selected when you install freenet so you should probably change it since you told us what your port it and it could thus help us figure out who you are in the net. On 3/26/06, Sam Przyswa wrote: > Hi, > > By default the port is set to 29314 is it important to change it for > security reasons ? > > Sam. > > > > -- > Ce message a ?t? v?rifi? par MailScanner > pour des virus ou des polluriels et rien de > suspect n'a ?t? trouv?. > MailScanner remercie transtec pour son soutien. > > ___ > Support mailing list > Support at freenetproject.org > http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support > Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support > Or mailto:support-request at freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe >
Re: [freenet-support] Is it important to change the default port ?
If I recall right it's randomly selected when you install freenet so you should probably change it since you told us what your port it and it could thus help us figure out who you are in the net. On 3/26/06, Sam Przyswa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, By default the port is set to 29314 is it important to change it for security reasons ? Sam. -- Ce message a été vérifié par MailScanner pour des virus ou des polluriels et rien de suspect n'a été trouvé. MailScanner remercie transtec pour son soutien. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Re: Computer illiterate trying to set up freenet
On 12/24/05, Bob wrote: > Bob writes: > > -- snip -- > > > > Are you using the official Apple OSX installer for 1.5? If not, follow the > > instructions here : > > http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=302412 > > Sorry, I just read that page a bit more thoroughly and it needs OSX 10.4.2 .. > as > far as I can tell there are no 10.3.9 -> 10.4 upgrade patches either, you'd > have > to buy a newer version :/ > > So you might as well stick with the default 1.4.2 for now and hope you don't > get > the crashing issue. If you have a machine running windows I'd advise you to use it for freenet instead, the bug in java 1.4.2 for OS 10.3.x tend to crash the system too often to make using freenet enjoyable at all.
