Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1336
I was referring to Freenet's custom congestion control. There is no resending of UDP packets, unless Freenet pro-actively resends it. Right, and what we do is we resend packets if they are not acknowledged after a few round trips. Which is pretty much what TCP does. I'm not entirely sure how Freenet does it, but it doesn't sound quite the same as TCP. Disclaimer: I'm not an expert on TCP In TCP congestion control is handled by the window size, the exponential backoff algorithm and estimated round-trip time. The window size controls how many bytes can by 'in-flight', that is sent without an ACK received. This is advertised by the receiver as part of the handshake. If an ACK isn't received after a given delay the packet is resent and the window is decreased, say by a power of two. When the ACKs are received in a timely fashion the window size is increased linearly. This stabilises the transmission rate fairly well. TCP is more complex than this brief summary, as it also implements a slow-start algorithm and makes an effort to avoid hitting backoff by the linear increase. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1334
On 22/01/2011, at 7:21 AM, Dennis Nezic wrote: On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 05:59:06 +0100, David ‘Bombe’ Roden wrote: a “simple thing” like bandwidth limiting Can someone explain why bandwidth limiting might not be such a simple thing? Volodya tried, with his massive-incoming-packet theory (40KiB :p), but that's not true -- freenet packets are about 1KiB. So, is there not a central class/wrapper in place that feeds the node with at most X KiB / second? Ie. it will only read X UDP packets per second? It doesn't matter if you only read X packets a second, they've still been sent to you so it still used bandwidth. If you don't read UDP all that happens is your OS queues for a while the starts dropping packets. Unlike TCP, UDP doesn't implement speed controls. To control UDP you have to implement your own feedback and control system on the sender. To compound that freenet has to allocate its bandwidth over multiple senders, and it can't just to an even split as not all senders are equal. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1334
On 22/01/2011, at 7:34 AM, Dennis Nezic wrote: On Sat, 22 Jan 2011 07:26:56 +1300, Phillip Hutchings wrote: On 22/01/2011, at 7:21 AM, Dennis Nezic wrote: On Fri, 21 Jan 2011 05:59:06 +0100, David ‘Bombe’ Roden wrote: a “simple thing” like bandwidth limiting Can someone explain why bandwidth limiting might not be such a simple thing? Volodya tried, with his massive-incoming-packet theory (40KiB :p), but that's not true -- freenet packets are about 1KiB. So, is there not a central class/wrapper in place that feeds the node with at most X KiB / second? Ie. it will only read X UDP packets per second? It doesn't matter if you only read X packets a second, they've still been sent to you so it still used bandwidth. If you don't read UDP all that happens is your OS queues for a while the starts dropping packets. Exactly. Why isn't this being done? Why isn't what being done? There's absolutely no point letting the OS drop the packets. They have already been transmitted, they're in the receiver's memory. Dropping the packets is just wasting time and resources, you have to stop them before they're transmitted. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Freenet 0.7.5 build 1334
So, the question then becomes, when the node is clearly receiving more packets than it's supposed to, why is it taking so long (many minutes -- I never actually waited to see if the flood, which consumed my entire connection's 80KiB/sec capacity, would eventually subside) for the rate to stabilize? How much time does the node give it's peers to stabilize their traffic, before it disconnects from them? And does the node accept packets from peers it is not currently connected to? (Ie. say we give our peers 1minute to get their s*** straight, and then disconnect from them, I should see the flood end in 1 minute?) Mostly because development capability is limited by available people and testing capabilities - without a dedicated lab setup it's very hard to test bandwidth limiting, so the only real test is on the network. I'm sure fixing this is on the list somewhere, but we either need to pitch in and code it or wait for someone else to have time. ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Fwd: WoT mailman password?
I'm having the same issue on the rubyfreenet list. It also looks like someone's turned off the spam filter :/ On 5/02/2010, at 7:23 AM, bbac...@googlemail.com wrote: Guys, is none interested in helping me with this password problem? Whoever migrated the list to http://osprey.vm.bytemark.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/admindb/wot do something NOW! Who is the guilty? Did he left silently? On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 20:19, bbac...@googlemail.com wrote: Unfortunately there is no such option on the mailman pages, would have tried that :) No idea who can maintain the WoT list settings. Via the admin interface I was not able to set a different mailing list owner, so I assume someone else can change the settings. The same one who can create new lists there? On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 17:15, Evan Daniel eva...@gmail.com wrote: The wiki move screwed up passwords; we had to reset via the forgot password mechanism. Could it be a similar problem here? Have you tried that? Evan Daniel On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 3:42 AM, bbac...@googlemail.com wrote: No ideas? Is the WoT list unusable now? Should we create a new one elsewhere? -- Forwarded message -- From: bbac...@googlemail.com Date: Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 09:11 Subject: WoT mailman password? To: support@freenetproject.org I am the admin of the WoT mailing list. It seems that the list was migrated to a new server, and now my valid password is no longer accepted. I didn't change this password. What went wrong here? What should I do? -- __ GnuPG key: (0x48DBFA8A) Keyserver: pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Fingerprint: 477D F057 1BD4 1AE7 8A54 8679 6690 E2EC 48DB FA8A __ -- __ GnuPG key: (0x48DBFA8A) Keyserver: pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Fingerprint: 477D F057 1BD4 1AE7 8A54 8679 6690 E2EC 48DB FA8A __ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe -- __ GnuPG key: (0x48DBFA8A) Keyserver: pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Fingerprint: 477D F057 1BD4 1AE7 8A54 8679 6690 E2EC 48DB FA8A __ -- __ GnuPG key: (0x48DBFA8A) Keyserver: pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Fingerprint: 477D F057 1BD4 1AE7 8A54 8679 6690 E2EC 48DB FA8A __ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Fwd: WoT mailman password?
I'm having the same issue with the rubyfreenet list, and it looks like the spam filter has broken as well :/ On 5/02/2010, at 7:23 AM, bbac...@googlemail.com wrote: Guys, is none interested in helping me with this password problem? Whoever migrated the list to http://osprey.vm.bytemark.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/admindb/wot do something NOW! Who is the guilty? Did he left silently? On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 20:19, bbac...@googlemail.com wrote: Unfortunately there is no such option on the mailman pages, would have tried that :) No idea who can maintain the WoT list settings. Via the admin interface I was not able to set a different mailing list owner, so I assume someone else can change the settings. The same one who can create new lists there? On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 17:15, Evan Daniel eva...@gmail.com wrote: The wiki move screwed up passwords; we had to reset via the forgot password mechanism. Could it be a similar problem here? Have you tried that? Evan Daniel On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 3:42 AM, bbac...@googlemail.com wrote: No ideas? Is the WoT list unusable now? Should we create a new one elsewhere? -- Forwarded message -- From: bbac...@googlemail.com Date: Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 09:11 Subject: WoT mailman password? To: support@freenetproject.org I am the admin of the WoT mailing list. It seems that the list was migrated to a new server, and now my valid password is no longer accepted. I didn't change this password. What went wrong here? What should I do? -- __ GnuPG key: (0x48DBFA8A) Keyserver: pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Fingerprint: 477D F057 1BD4 1AE7 8A54 8679 6690 E2EC 48DB FA8A __ -- __ GnuPG key: (0x48DBFA8A) Keyserver: pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Fingerprint: 477D F057 1BD4 1AE7 8A54 8679 6690 E2EC 48DB FA8A __ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe -- __ GnuPG key: (0x48DBFA8A) Keyserver: pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Fingerprint: 477D F057 1BD4 1AE7 8A54 8679 6690 E2EC 48DB FA8A __ -- __ GnuPG key: (0x48DBFA8A) Keyserver: pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Fingerprint: 477D F057 1BD4 1AE7 8A54 8679 6690 E2EC 48DB FA8A __ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [freenet-support] Fwd: WoT mailman password?
I'm having the same issue with the rubyfreenet list, and it looks like the spam filter has broken as well :/ On 5/02/2010, at 7:23 AM, bbac...@googlemail.com wrote: Guys, is none interested in helping me with this password problem? Whoever migrated the list to http://osprey.vm.bytemark.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/admindb/wot do something NOW! Who is the guilty? Did he left silently? On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 20:19, bbac...@googlemail.com wrote: Unfortunately there is no such option on the mailman pages, would have tried that :) No idea who can maintain the WoT list settings. Via the admin interface I was not able to set a different mailing list owner, so I assume someone else can change the settings. The same one who can create new lists there? On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 17:15, Evan Daniel eva...@gmail.com wrote: The wiki move screwed up passwords; we had to reset via the forgot password mechanism. Could it be a similar problem here? Have you tried that? Evan Daniel On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 3:42 AM, bbac...@googlemail.com wrote: No ideas? Is the WoT list unusable now? Should we create a new one elsewhere? -- Forwarded message -- From: bbac...@googlemail.com Date: Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 09:11 Subject: WoT mailman password? To: support@freenetproject.org I am the admin of the WoT mailing list. It seems that the list was migrated to a new server, and now my valid password is no longer accepted. I didn't change this password. What went wrong here? What should I do? -- __ GnuPG key: (0x48DBFA8A) Keyserver: pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Fingerprint: 477D F057 1BD4 1AE7 8A54 8679 6690 E2EC 48DB FA8A __ -- __ GnuPG key: (0x48DBFA8A) Keyserver: pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Fingerprint: 477D F057 1BD4 1AE7 8A54 8679 6690 E2EC 48DB FA8A __ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe -- __ GnuPG key: (0x48DBFA8A) Keyserver: pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Fingerprint: 477D F057 1BD4 1AE7 8A54 8679 6690 E2EC 48DB FA8A __ -- __ GnuPG key: (0x48DBFA8A) Keyserver: pgpkeys.pca.dfn.de Fingerprint: 477D F057 1BD4 1AE7 8A54 8679 6690 E2EC 48DB FA8A __ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:support-requ...@freenetproject.org?subject=unsubscribe
[freenet-support] problems with config
On 12/02/2008, at 03:42, Jean-Claude F?ret wrote: > Hi, > I guess you feel better if I do write in English ? > First of all, I'm on OS X 10.4.10 and used upto now Azureus and > mlDonkey (occasionally LimeWire or Ants) > Having heard about freenet, I did download it, and followed the > installation procedure > > (by the way, and if it can be of any interest for you, the bug > mentionned when using ubuntu, was there also with Mac OS X : error > message saying that the download of that or that part didn't work, > and, how I was advised to, I did click on continue? that happened > quite many times during the installation, in fact for maybe the 2/3 > of the files but it came to the end of it) That sounds like a broken mirror. I know my host has been down several times recently, complaining to the ISP seems to have helped though. > So, I went to the next document : How to configure Freenet. And > there, was unable to get the config wizard. > > ? La connexion a ?chou?, Firefox ne peut ?tablir de connexion avec > le serveur ? l'adresse 127.0.0.1: ? That means either the Freenet process isn't running, or hasn't finished starting up yet. Unfortunately there isn't a real OS X GUI yet. Try this: Open Terminal, type these commands: cd path/to/freenet ./run.sh stop ./run.sh start -- Phillip Hutchings http://www.sitharus.com/
Re: [freenet-support] problems with config
On 12/02/2008, at 03:42, Jean-Claude Féret wrote: Hi, I guess you feel better if I do write in English ? First of all, I'm on OS X 10.4.10 and used upto now Azureus and mlDonkey (occasionally LimeWire or Ants) Having heard about freenet, I did download it, and followed the installation procedure (by the way, and if it can be of any interest for you, the bug mentionned when using ubuntu, was there also with Mac OS X : error message saying that the download of that or that part didn't work, and, how I was advised to, I did click on continue… that happened quite many times during the installation, in fact for maybe the 2/3 of the files but it came to the end of it) That sounds like a broken mirror. I know my host has been down several times recently, complaining to the ISP seems to have helped though. So, I went to the next document : How to configure Freenet. And there, was unable to get the config wizard. « La connexion a échoué, Firefox ne peut établir de connexion avec le serveur à l'adresse 127.0.0.1: » That means either the Freenet process isn't running, or hasn't finished starting up yet. Unfortunately there isn't a real OS X GUI yet. Try this: Open Terminal, type these commands: cd path/to/freenet ./run.sh stop ./run.sh start -- Phillip Hutchings http://www.sitharus.com/ ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] MIRC?
On 26/04/05, Maps Baps [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there any MIRC involved in freenet? I noticed the presence of MIRC like sessions sometime ago, just yet I looked again and found two machines that deviate from the normal freenet pattern. They both start normally as inbound connections but soon after these two show up in NAT as being connected with type MIRC. Can anyone tell me what is happening here? Can we _PLEASE_ drop that stupid M? The protocol is IRC, the client is mIRC. It's like saying you're recieving your Outlooks instead of emails. Sorry, being pedantic, but it really annoys me when people start using the wrong name. -- Phillip Hutchings http://www.sitharus.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Modem lines MTU?
On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 19:16:44 +, Toad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you saying that hosts are required to support MTUs of at least 576 bytes? People have said that some dialup connections use 256 byte MTUs... Hrm. Dialup. The MTU includes the PPP header is max. 30 bytes, IP header can be a maximum of 60 bytes and UDP is a further 8 bytes.. That's 98 bytes of header, leaving 158 bytes of data. So the header is 38% of the packet? That sounds absurd... Of course, PPP can use header compression on the PPP and IP headers, leaving the PPP header at ~4 bytes and IP at ~20, leading to a 38 byte header (14%), but it's still a small packet, considering that an uncompressed header set over an ethernet (1500) MTU is 6%. On Windows the lowest possible MTU is apparently (http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-6268-1061241.html) 68 bytes, but that's absurd. Since you're supposed to send 576 byte packets anyway if PMTU discovery doesn't work then I'd go for that figure. If things start dropping, or more likely the client's ISP starts sending must-fragment ICMP packets, then throttle back. Of course, if the computer you're trying to connect from has a stupidly low MTU, AND a stupid firewall that blocks incoming ICMP then the user really deserves what they're getting. I've been known to be particularly unpleasent to individuals who think blocking an essential control protcol is a good idea. -- Phillip Hutchings http://www.sitharus.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list Support@freenetproject.org http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] emperical evidence for what I say
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 22:26:45 +0100, Newsbyte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First thing: on the freenetpage is (or at least was) talk about a minimum integrationperiod of a copple of hours; as an addition (at least on the wiki), it is said that it takes about two days to be 'fully integrated'. I have been running my node for about 28 hours now, though not non-stop with a period of 18 hours and one of about 10. (I doubt most newbies can afford to let their node run nonstop neither). By that token, my node should at least be 'reasonably' integrated. My node has been active for about a week. Before that it was active for about 3 months, then the machine got rebooted. My openconnections are: Connections open (Inbound/Outbound/Limit) 41 (20/21/200) Transfers active (Transmitting/Receiving) 29 (20/9) Data waiting to be transferred 3.780 Bytes Total amount of data transferred 184 MiB Note that I do not have fantastic lines/ISPs/HD's/special seednodes etc.; I only have an ordinary DSL on an ordinary computer. That seems a little low. When I ran it on my cable connection (256/128) it did nearly a gigabyte in 24 hours. I can't check on my current server because it's set to be a multi user system, so a lot of the applets are disabled. I don't have time to do a test with a new node now, but I can load the front page icons in around 10 minutes. I'm having some connectivity issues from here to my server at the moment though. If freenet wasn't such a resource hog I'd run another instance in a UML parition on that server just to see how quickly it can integrate. I would estimate 3-5 days based on the last time I started a new node. -- Phillip Hutchings http://www.sitharus.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Tech] [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
On Wed, 1 Dec 2004 15:19:59 +0100, Newsbyte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [cut for brevity] In my time watching this list, which is well over a year now, I don't actually recall you making a valid contribution to the project. I do tend to read your emails, though it can be a struggle at times, and all I normally see is this: * Freenet's too slow * I don't like person (frequently Ian) * Whine whine whine Now, personally I don't find Freenet slow. That may be because my node is sitting on a basically unmetered 10Mbps half duplex connection, but it may not. I take the goals of the project in to consideration, and waiting 2-3 minutes for a text document to download isn't that bad. Now, if only Java was less resource intensive... If I could run Freenet in 128MB of RAM sucessfully the other users of the machine would be happy. As it is, it takes 160MB, which isn't too bad. -- Phillip Hutchings http://www.sitharus.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Tech] [freenet-support] Is it always this slow?/kicked out of
On Thu, 2 Dec 2004 01:58:28 +0100, Newsbyte [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, phillip, see my other post for your remarks, but I would wanna say specifically one thing: * I don't like person (frequently Ian) Isn't true. I NEVER contend it's the person, as individual, that I dislike, I dislike the actions and decisions a person takes, because it leads, and has lead, to a virtual standstill in end-user usuability. Now, even that on itself isn't that bad, because people make mistakes, but when one continues for two years, it does become a question of when it is going to sink in that maybe there is need to change things. Well, I will give you that. We can't all agree all the time. But I would say pointing to resources supporting your viewpoint would give posts a better feel. Not that this is always possible. Your defence of it being fast, is just the sort of non-reality check I'm pointing at. Dude, how many people do you think have the ability of getting a connection like that? It's not realistic to extrapolate your situation to others, which are in a vast majority WAY less equiped and experience enough problems just getting it running (see posts of noobs on slashdot or even on the maillists). Yeah, I wish I had that connection to my home. I have to live with 256/128 cable. When I ran freenet on that it wasn't too bad, but I have a bandwidth cap. Maybe you haven't been hanging around long enough to remember, but I was one of the first people that suggested a new testnetwork which could seriously help in the development time in pinpointing problems...and yes, I've said that several times, so you can call that whining, if you want, but it IS in fact, a suggestion and an alternative - which some selectively remembering dudes claim I never do or did - and a good one at that, because there was a time we (at least Toad) agreed to it too. Do you here about it any longer? Well, no, it's been put back in the freezer because it was prefered to play with simulations that, as yet, didn't fullfill their promises neither. Yeah, I do remember. At one point I considered helping hack the source, but it's just crazy in there. If only the protocol was documented somewhere so I could follow it through the source. Ah man, all this shite about I don't contribute anything valuable is so lame. That what gets incorporated is forgotten (like augmenting the htl a year ago), and that what I propose in vain and hasn't been implemented is deemed to be mere talk, because it hasn't proven itself. Well, duh. I've only been on the list for a year though. Certainly, I have become increasingly sarcastic, but it shows a lack of understanding if you fail to see what is the cause of it. When you entered the scene a year ago, when freenet was plunged into it's worst non-working period ever, then you might have a sense that it has progressed a lot - well, it hasn't. Not in the end-users viewpoint, anyway. Maybe for a coder, like toad, things are different: he codes, sees the code change, implements new things, so, in his perspective, things have become better...but IMHO, that counts for not much, if the enduser can't benefit from it. That's not putting a blame on the hard work of Toad, or saying 'I don't like toad', as you seem to think, it's just the way it is. I know the feeling. I'm a web developer, and all the time I spend speeding up the code in certain conditions is basically moot as far as the boss is concerned. He's a marketer. I actually started running a node in the 0.3 days, but I was on dialup. Now that was horrible. I've been following it on and off since then, but now I have a fast server it works ;) -- Phillip Hutchings http://www.sitharus.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] anonymity(NOT)
vinyl1 said: Toad remarked: Freenet is DESIGNED to actively thwart attempts to find the authors. This is a fundamental design goal. It is a motive. Whereas the postal system simply doesn't care one way or the other. In fact, right now, Freenet is so slow that only perverts and geeks use it. Or so it would be argued. This is why the government, and for that matter Hollywood, doesn't give a rat's patotsie right now. Until we get it to work reasonably well, it is little threat in the overall scheme of things. They'll only start to worry when millions of people are actively using it. By then it will be too late...they could shut down SourceForge and exile Ian to Tierra del Fuego and it wouldn't make any difference, because of the robust and decentralized design of the network. Yep. Good isn't it? And even if the main developers are ousted, the project is open source (I have the tree ;) so someone could fork it and distribute via freenet. Though establishing trust would be a little harder... In the meantime, even the perverts are getting a little tired of typing in parameters, downloading new versions, and rebooting their Unix machines I just ./update.sh, no need for anything else. I am getting tired of the RAM usage, but until it compiles with cgj then I'm stuck with it. I've got bandwidth to burn at the moment (100GB/month, outbound.) I'm aiming for 1GB/day of outbound at the moment. Haven't worked out the rate for that yet, but I will. I support freedom of speach. And while there's precious little speach on Freenet as compared to movies and pictures, I think it'll grow. Some time soon I'll get a freesite up. -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Route Not Found
On 1/08/2004, at 12:00 PM, Heine Laursen wrote: Hi. I have just installed the lasted stable version of freenet. (Node Version 0.5) I'm running debian woody stable. [snip] Error: Route Not Found [snip] How do i fix this? You don't. You've just installed Freenet. It takes quite a while for a node to integrate itself in to the freenet network, just be patient. Leave the node running overnight and you'll get better results. The longer you have the node the faster it'll be. -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Freenet Expectations
On 16/07/2004, at 7:52 AM, Garb wrote: Message: 3 Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:54:35 + (UTC) From: Wayne McDougall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [freenet-support] Re: Freenet Expectations] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ...The government in New Zealand has decided that 256/256 is the highest broadband speed that our telecom monomoply needs to make available to competitors. :-( ...128/128 is the fastest connection available domestically without a monthly bandwidth cap... Wow Wayne! What a nightmarish situation. Bandwidth capping? 128/128? You guys need to do some serious political work in order to get rid of that monopoly. We had a similar situation here (Denmark), but luckily the telecom monopoly was removed in the mid nineties before the internet took off for real. Btw. cant you get internet feed from cable- and/or electricity-companies as well? That would create some competition. There is no legal monopoly in New Zealand. The marketplace is completely deregulated. There are no legal entry barriers to the market place and very few barriers to become a network operator (benefits like compulsory land access, instant fines for cable breakage...). The monopoly is because of the population distribution - nobody other than Telecom is willing to have wires to most of the population, it costs a lot for little return. The only reason Telecom will put up with it is because the wires were put in place by the government. That said, there's a group of students (including myself ;) at Victoria University who're planning to roll out a large scale IP network based on Cat-5e cable and Power over Ethernet. We've already solved most of the problems ;) Visit http://www.nzwired.net/ if you're interested. The company will be non-profit. -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Freenet Expectations]
Different views on what's realistic? Will Freenet just be a US or bandwidth rich countries project? The government in New Zealand has decided that 256/256 is the highest broadband speed that our telecom monomoply needs to make available to competitors. :-( 128/128 is the fastest connection available domestically without a monthly bandwidth cap that Freenet would blow out of the water in 5 days. There aren't any business level connections that wouldn't be prohibitively expensive. Which leaves academia (and even per department most would frown on Freenet). Ok I appreciate we're just in a sucky part of the world. I get the impression others are too. But when I read: [snip] I'm amazed that the above still works... *** and you're amazed that 256/128 works (if I'm reading it correctly) then that leaves me out of the cold, and you're suggesting bandwidth needs to be at least 1024/256 for you to expect Freenet to work. Freenet works fine on 256/128, but it chews through bandwidth. What I was thinking of doing was getting a server in a US on a fairly decent connection and running a Freenet node on that. People would be able to get secure tunnels in to the server to the FCP port (and maybe Fred - but I'd prefer FCP only). At the moment I'm looking at a ValueWeb offering - US$65/month in the config I want (some friends also want shells on the box - it'll be running UML). The only problem I have is money. Oh, and RAM - it won't have free reign over the box. 128MB max, closer to 50MB in reality - not ideal. If only Java worked in less RAM, or Freenet worked with less data transfer. I can only allow ~1GB/Month on my connection. Roll on NZWired (nzwired.net) -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] RE: start-problems
Toad wrote: On Sun, Jul 11, 2004 at 08:50:55AM +0200, Garb wrote: Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2004 15:55:53 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [freenet-support] RE: start-problems To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I installed from Portage, and I was amazed at how well it handled the install. I especially liked the pre-made init script... Yes, it works really well. And the default Blackdown JAVA-install works right out of the box too, eliminating the need for messing aroud with SUN JRE. I've had Freenet running on several distros, but Gentoo is definitely the easiest one to work with. Blackdown works well with Freenet? I heard one bad report... I had a few crashes and then switched to Sun's JDK. Other than that, Blackdown was fine :P Kudos to the people who integrated Freenet into the Portage tree. Those guys did a very fine job. How did you know to change the paths to /var/freenet and so on? In the ebuild you can see where it wants everything to go Cat /usr/portage/net-p2p/freenet/freenet-0.5.2.1-r8.ebuild ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME
Dynamo wrote: HI, I got a problem with freenet . I am sure I configured freenet correctly and forwarded the right ports I although createt an dyndns.org account only for freenet To get the node running well (ip in dydns.org database is up to date) ! But when I try to open a site I got the message . Sure connected to the Internet.. or . Route not Found .. . And know I got this Error Message !! Error: Route Not Found Attempts were made to contact 0 nodes. 0 were totally unreachable. 0 restarted. 0 cleanly rejected. There is NO Node Only if I increase the Hops to live there is one Node which has cleanly rejected my attempt ! The Network load is although very bad if I load a new Reference I got 42 % but after running the node for a while it is only 20 % then 15 %. What can I DO ?? Whats going on can anybody help me please ??? THX CYA Wait, and be patient. It takes 2-3 _days_ before your node learns enough about the network to work OK. The longer your node's online, the better it will run, ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: List Protocol was Re: [freenet-support] PLEASE PLEASE HELP ME
Toad wrote: Please CC the original poster if at all possible in future. Mostly they aren't subscribers. Thanks. Sorry, different email client to the one I normally use. Serves me right for posting to the list at work :P Anyway, noted, I'll remember hopefully. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: local host
On 24/06/2004, at 1:01 AM, Robert Greenage wrote: This never happened prior to installation and running of freenet. Are you saying that 127.0.0.1 is actually a virtual machine ip address and does not exist in real time? 127.0.0.1 definitely exists! It's sitting in front of you! 127.0.0.1 ALWAYS points to whatever machine the application is running on, no exceptions. Actually, 127.anything should, so long as I'm correctly remembering that it's 127.0.0.0/8... -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Node not caching keys requested?
I can confirm that it's still there. I went to the web interface, opened current downloads (in a new tab) and verified that the icons where being fetched, refreshed the main web interface page and it requested the icons again, the original requests were still active. The store is definitely not full. On 17/06/2004, at 10:28 AM, Toad wrote: Is the store full? If not, this is probably a bug... On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 01:33:53PM +1200, Phillip Hutchings wrote: I've just started running a freenet node again, it's been up for a few hours (and is getting bombarded by incoming connections :P). However, I'm trying to download FUQID from freenet so I can see the source. The node has actually completed the transfer 4 or 5 times (I had my browser timeout too low :/), but it still has to download it from other nodes. Is this normal? I have a 4GB store, so I would have thought it would have been stored by now... -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Node not caching keys requested?
I haven't had time to verify if this occurs on the latest builds, but my store is not full (774 MB out of 2GB iirc). I'll check again this evening when I have some spare time. On 17/06/2004, at 10:28 AM, Toad wrote: Is the store full? If not, this is probably a bug... On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 01:33:53PM +1200, Phillip Hutchings wrote: I've just started running a freenet node again, it's been up for a few hours (and is getting bombarded by incoming connections :P). However, I'm trying to download FUQID from freenet so I can see the source. The node has actually completed the transfer 4 or 5 times (I had my browser timeout too low :/), but it still has to download it from other nodes. Is this normal? I have a 4GB store, so I would have thought it would have been stored by now... -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] How to speed up Java
On 16/06/2004, at 11:42 AM, Toad wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2004 at 11:29:53PM +0200, Troed S?ngberg wrote: Saw this on /. - thought it might interest someone. Especially the part about using the server JVM instead of client JVM when speed is an issue (i.e, if you have plenty of ram but you feel Freenet use too much CPU) My experience is that the -server VM is rather buggy... generates spontaneous NPEs with no trace... It works fine for me, I've had freenet nodes up for over a week with -server... The commandline options are: /opt/sun-jdk-1.4.2.04/bin/java -server -Xmx256M freenet.node.Main -p /etc/freenet.conf -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] connection problems
On 14/06/2004, at 4:15 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am having lot of trouble getting anywhere after installation. Can anyone tell me what the problem is from looking at this info? [snip] Uptime 31 minutes Right there. If your node's only been up for 30 minutes its unlikely to know enough about the network to route efficiently. After 12 hours or so it'll have more success. -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] re: Nearly all my connection attempts fail
On 11/06/2004, at 9:34 PM, Weiliang Zhang wrote: Michael K. wrote: I'm not sure what's causing it but I've so far managed to surf to about 3 sites after click on a total of nearly 50 links... I run into the usual Route not found or not connected errors, and I have to say, it's really pissing me off because I have no idea how to fix it. What can I do to properly reseed my node so that it actually gets seen? Sincerely, Michael K. -- I'm kind of having the same problem, when I request something, it always reports that my request didn't even get out of my own node. How long has your node been around? The longer your node's been around the faster it is. In the first day Freenet is a dog - the public seed nodes are overloaded, you need to wait until your node knows plenty of non-public-seed nodes. Also, what're your firewall settings? Make sure you're allowing connections to the appropriate port. Just telnet in to it from a remote host, it'll close the connection pretty quickly, but you'll prove you can access it. -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] freenet on Mac OS X 10.3.3
On 11/06/2004, at 11:46 AM, Toad wrote: I can add a special case to make this work. But I need the output of the uname command on OS/X. Darwin On Fri, May 28, 2004 at 02:12:49AM +, Paul wrote: Hi. I have successfully run freenet on Mac OS X for some time. I have downloaded installed the latest stable, but when I attempt to start freenet, here is the result: iMac:~/freenet paul$ sh ./start-freenet.sh Detected freenet-ext.jar Detected freenet.jar Sun java detected. Starting Freenet now: Command line: java -Xmx128m -XX:MaxDirectMemorySize=128m freenet.node.Main Done iMac:~/freenet paul$ Unrecognized VM option 'MaxDirectMemorySize=128m' Could not create the Java virtual machine. iMac:~/freenet paul$ If it helps, here is the result of: java -version: iMac:~/freenet paul$ java -version java version 1.4.2_03 Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_03-117.1) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-34, mixed mode) Could anyone shed light on the problem? Thanks! ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] First freenet start, first freenet bugs
On 28/05/2004, at 4:40 AM, Toad wrote: On Thu, May 27, 2004 at 04:49:30PM +1200, Phillip Hutchings wrote: But if I understand, Freenet can't work on a network without fixed IP or dns server ? Freenet can't work with an internal IP and port redirection from the external IP so no way to go throw a firewall ? Lot of constraint for trying to make a free network with everyone. Freenet works fine with ports forwarded from the firewall, but it doesn't use uPNP or anything, so you need to manually forward the port. Do any other major apps? Does Apache? Does Kazaa? I honestly don't know in the latter case, if somebody does know, I'd like to hear from them. But what I heard was that UPNP was only slightly standardized and you'll end up writing custom code for every router... The only apps that I am aware of using uPNP are MSN Messenger and Apple's iChat. It's standardised (see libupnp and the linuxigd projects - the latter uses libupnp to provide a WindowsXP like firewall control thing, it actually works, but I don't use it), but not that great - no auth or anything. -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re[5]: [freenet-support] First freenet start, first freenet bugs
But if I understand, Freenet can't work on a network without fixed IP or dns server ? Freenet can't work with an internal IP and port redirection from the external IP so no way to go throw a firewall ? Lot of constraint for trying to make a free network with everyone. Freenet works fine with ports forwarded from the firewall, but it doesn't use uPNP or anything, so you need to manually forward the port. You do need to keep the port number the same between the firewall and host. I know, I've done it. These days I run it on my firewall machine - small network, only that machine stays on 24/7 :P I am force to make a little program who will modify the freenet.ini for changing the IP and unloading and reloading Freenet? I wonder why so basic things are not implement in Freenet. Or use a service such as dyndns.org and put your hostname in your freenet.ini. Freenet has routines to check for IP changes (I've disabled them - static IP), so it should work pretty well once it's established, but before that it needs to announce an IP and port to connect to over the network so people start connecting to it. -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] averagebandwidthlimit results
OK, I enabled an average[input|output]bandwidthlimit of 500. In 5 hours I've transferred 400MiB of data, which is still far too high, considering that I should be transferring 288MiB each way per day (which is also too high). Anyway, when I'm back on my cable connection (I'm away from my place at the moment, dialup :/ I'm accessing my node through an SSH tunnel) I'll grab the freenet source from CVS and look at it, see if I can figure it out ;) -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: [freenet-dev] Retiring from the project
On 26/05/2004, at 9:36 AM, Paul Derbyshire wrote: ... rather than just having one, platform dependent #idfef-filled source file with the appropriate functions duplicated for all the different supported platforms. That's the perfect reason to use Java! It may not be the nicest code, but you only have one version! It makes maintainability far easier than #ifdef'd code, which is problematic at best. If one code base runs on all platforms, and even better if the same executable does, then why not use it? -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Traffic usage?
[snip] 1. My experience is that I can get a limit of 5 Gb of *international* traffic a month (170 Mb a day) with Node bandwidth limits of Overall 0 Output 750 Input 0 Yup, a limit of 750 bytes per second. I need to experiment more with the Overall setting. Freenet is the single most effective utility I have found for consuming bandwidth. Better than BitTorrent. When the bandwidth level drops this low I get a lot of what I characterise as churn. The messageSendTimeRequest shoots up - I guess because messages can't get out fast enough through the small output channel. So then my node rejects incoming connections, but it's still sending outgoing requests (albeit slowly) so I'm rejecting these replies to my requests because my messageSendTimeRequest is so high. I suspect a lot of things get retried. I suspect my efficiency is low. But it works, and keeps me in the bandwidth cap. Yeah, that's what I get when I turn it down really low. Not really surprising, maybe freenet should adjust its priorities on a low bandwidth connection or something, but I don't know the internals yet 2. I really suspect that more serious bandwidth limiting should be done at an operating system (router) level rather than at the Freenet level. I suspect that's what you'll be told around here. That way you can also take account of things happening other than your node. :-) So I've been working towards a Linux traffic shaper that gives sets no limits on traffic with domestic IP addresses and limits international traffic so the total monthly limit hits 5 Gb (my cap). Yeah, I'm looking at it, but there's no decent way to detect freenet packets. I was looking at patching the source so you could specify the source port range for outgoing connections. If you specified 10 ports or so and freenet bound them on startup so they were captured then, and used iptables to MARK the packets you could do some really decent limiting. 3. What I don't know is how my Freenet node will respond when some (domestic) IPs get a high bandwidth (8,000 k/s) and other (international) IPs get a low bandwidth (0.75 k/s). I guess my node will always give a constant recommendation for how much traffic it wants, and this will oscillate wildly according to how many domestic versus international nodes are connecting. I'm *hoping* domestic nodes will learn that it is worthwhile connecting to me, but they may be put off by the average they get. I don't know. Someday when Toad is bored maybe he could put his fine mind to at least thinking about the impacts of this bandwidth disparity and how a node configuration could be set to handle this. It may be that this scenario ( maix of low and high bandwidth channels into a node) is relatively uncommon worldwide, and isn't worth coding for, but I wonder how common it is, and whether it may become more common. Comments welcome. Domestically I am willing to give up to 5k/sec out and 15k/sec in (due to my connection speeds), internationally I would go lower but monitor the usage. I'd like to cut off after ~100MB/day. I know this is sub-optimal for freenet, but with caps that's the reality. One thing that I can think of is limiting the size of incoming files not requested by the node directly - stop splitfiles and things going through. I'm more interested in the information, not movies, but I can't think of a tidy way to implement this in a few minutes. I know it's not really in line with the freenet ideal, and also it could compromise privacy, but it's a thought. -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Traffic usage?
On 24/05/2004, at 11:32 PM, Wayne McDougall wrote: Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: One thing that I can think of is limiting the size of incoming files not requested by the node directly - stop splitfiles and things going through. I'm more interested in the information, not movies, but I can't think of a tidy way to implement this in a few minutes. I know it's not really in line with the freenet ideal, and also it could compromise privacy, but it's a thought. So you not only don't want to store large files in your data store - you don't want to relay them either? It should be easy enough to stop such files being stored in your data store - according to freenet.ini it doesn't store files larger than 1/100th of the size of your datastore, in your datastore. That 1/100 calculation would be easy to find and tweak so you don't store files of 1 Mb (and these days all the large files I see are in chunks of 1,026 Kb). The question is whether you can identify whether incoming data is part of an incoming 1 Mb message bfore you accept it. My guess, only a guess, is yes. I would think that information as opposed to files would normally be under 1 Mb. For my part I'd like to contribute as much bandwidth to Freenet as a whole, but when in a capped triage situation I certainly understand wanting to prioritise traffic. I don't care about storing things on my node - I have a 4GB store - but I do care about the traffic used by them. When freenet uses over 1/10th of my monthly cap in a day it gets shut down. Personally, I've only seen movies bigger than 1MB, most text pages are 20-400KB (TFE's index page was ~400KB last time I looked). -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Traffic usage?
On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 10:25:33PM +1200, Phillip Hutchings wrote: [bigger snip] Yeah, I'm looking at it, but there's no decent way to detect freenet packets. That's a feature :). Yeah, even on localhost :P IPTABLE's OWNER match target only works in the OUTPUT chain. I can't monitor something coming in, but that's an IPTABLES problem :P I was looking at patching the source so you could specify the source port range for outgoing connections. If you specified 10 ports or so and freenet bound them on startup so they were captured then, and used iptables to MARK the packets you could do some really decent limiting. [snip] Domestically I am willing to give up to 5k/sec out and 15k/sec in (due to my connection speeds), internationally I would go lower but monitor the usage. I'd like to cut off after ~100MB/day. I know this is sub-optimal for freenet, but with caps that's the reality. Have you tried averageOutputBandwidth (in the config file)? I think that's what I have on now, but until my ISPs metering catches up with what I've used I won't be testing. Should be on tomorrow though, I'll report what happens. One thing that I can think of is limiting the size of incoming files not requested by the node directly - stop splitfiles and things going through. I'm more interested in the information, not movies, but I can't think of a tidy way to implement this in a few minutes. I know it's not really in line with the freenet ideal, and also it could compromise privacy, but it's a thought. Well, if it was widely supported, it would just result in moviez being split into smaller chunks... Yeah, I guess so. -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Traffic usage?
On 25/05/2004, at 5:27 AM, Toad wrote: [snip] 2. I really suspect that more serious bandwidth limiting should be done at an operating system (router) level rather than at the Freenet level. I suspect that's what you'll be told around here. That way you can also take account of things happening other than your node. :-) Perhaps. That would also lead to high message send times though. Freenet needs to know what the limit is even if you use external limiting. I use iptables for monitoring, but not limiting... So I've been working towards a Linux traffic shaper that gives sets no limits on traffic with domestic IP addresses and limits international traffic so the total monthly limit hits 5 Gb (my cap). HOW do you determine what is local? Freenet could maybe support this. IP range. The ISP just has one 'local' port on their routers that goes to the domestic peers and an 'international' which goes to everyone else. I'm pretty sure I could get their tech support to give me the blocks. 3. What I don't know is how my Freenet node will respond when some (domestic) IPs get a high bandwidth (8,000 k/s) and other (international) IPs get a low bandwidth (0.75 k/s). I guess my node will always give a constant recommendation for how much traffic it wants, and this will oscillate wildly according to how many domestic versus international nodes are connecting. I'm *hoping* domestic nodes will learn that it is worthwhile connecting to me, but they may be put off by the average they get. I don't know. Someday when Toad is bored maybe he could put his fine mind to at least thinking about the impacts of this bandwidth disparity and how a node configuration could be set to handle this. It may be that this scenario ( maix of low and high bandwidth channels into a node) is relatively uncommon worldwide, and isn't worth coding for, but I wonder how common it is, and whether it may become more common. Are you in Spain by any chance? The last poster on this topic was.. Nope, New Zealand, but because we only have two telcos, and one of them only operates two small areas, we have monopoly problems :/ Maybe if I can get funds up and push for NZWired to get working... -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Traffic usage?
OK, so the last issue resolved itself. I think that the node doesn't check for in-progress transfers if the file gets re-requested (ie you forget to extend your browser timeouts). However, in 24 hours my node transfered 1.3GB. I guess this is a good sign that the network is working, but I have a 10GB monthly cap, so this transfer rate in unsustainable. What would be nice (in lieu of being able to prefer certain IP ranges - I get local traffic far cheaper) would be a way to limit monthly transfer, eg set it so the node can use 5GB/month, and it'll aim for a daily transfer of about 170MB, but will go over if it needs to. I guess this would also mean that the size of incoming files would need to be limited. Unfortunately I can't try to hack this myself just yet, but I have some free time coming up, so I might look at it then, see if I can find where to do the limiting. I knew Java knowledge would come in handy :P So for now my node is offline. I've lowered my rate limiting to 500 bytes/sec to keep things under control, but I'm waiting for my ISPs traffic information to come back online... -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Support Digest, Vol 10, Issue 33
Then read the message! Every message has unsubscribe info, READ IT. On 24/05/2004, at 11:57 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: STOP SENDING ME SHIT!___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Node not caching keys requested?
I've just started running a freenet node again, it's been up for a few hours (and is getting bombarded by incoming connections :P). However, I'm trying to download FUQID from freenet so I can see the source. The node has actually completed the transfer 4 or 5 times (I had my browser timeout too low :/), but it still has to download it from other nodes. Is this normal? I have a 4GB store, so I would have thought it would have been stored by now... -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] mailing list subscriber email should bypassspam blockers
Edward J. Huff said: On Mon, 2004-05-17 at 15:53, Christopher Brian Jack wrote: Please, please, please FIX this and allow direct MTA connections from subscribed members only. Testing to see if I can send mail in. My email is hosted on my own server. I have a send permitted from record in the DNS for my domain. Nothing goes through my ISP's mail server, but since traffic on port 25 is unencrypted, they can read my mail anyway. They can also find out that I run a freenet node by running one themselves and looking at the IP numbers they collect. I know the IP's of over 1000 freenet nodes. Since I have a static IP my mail isn't blocked. Just one thing, port 25 can be encrypted if the mail servers use TLS between themselves - and it does work, my logs prove it. I may consider some sort of relay through my server for posting to the freenet list only, but that would take more time to implement than I have free at the moment. -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[freenet-support] Limiting outgoing connections to a certain port range...
Since I'm unfortunate enough to be on a bandwidth cap I like to monitor where my bandwidth is going so I can shut down anything that's guzzling loads of bandwidth. I do this through simple IPTABLES rules, as it gives a nice breakdown of what's using what. Unfortunately, as freenet just claims a random port to connect out on, I can't do this management. I would like an option to restrict the port range bound to if it's possible. I'm not overly worried about any privacy issues this may cause, I don't mind if it's off by default, but if it's possible it would be nice to have. If I could figure out where in the source this is done I may be able to submit a patch or something... -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Re: Limiting outgoing connections to a certain port range...
On 5/05/2004, at 6:56 AM, Ole Tange wrote: On Wed, 05 May 2004 00:00:40 +1200, Phillip Hutchings wrote: Since I'm unfortunate enough to be on a bandwidth cap I like to monitor where my bandwidth is going so I can shut down anything that's guzzling loads of bandwidth. I do this through simple IPTABLES rules, as it gives a nice breakdown of what's using what. Unfortunately, as freenet just claims a random port to connect out on, I can't do this management. I would like an option to restrict the port range bound to if it's possible. IPtables can look at which user runs the process owning the connection. If you run freenet as a freenet user then it should be possible to separate these connections from other connections. Please post you solution if you get it to work. I checked on that before posting to the list, and the module is only valid in the OUTPUT chain. Since Freenet sends data both ways it's not much use for this. -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] NAT Freenet
No, they haven't. Please try running a web server behind a NAT that you can't forward ports on. Or ssh. Or any number of other client/server protocols. I was thinking of P2P file transfer protocols. Bittorrent, gnutella, fasttrack, etc. Uploading doesn't always work really great, but downloading is quite decent. Bittorrent seems to have zero problems saturating upstream bandwidth on many torrents that are 100% behind NAT. I classified (mentally) freenet as a P2P, but it's more like a server-to-server for best performance. You always get far more responses if you're forwarding the ports. Quite simply there is no way for two firewalled users to communicate without at least one forwarding ports. All those P2P programs do is restrict you to connecting to users who're not hiding behind a NAT device, and if they want to download a file from you they send a message via the network to open a connection to them. -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] need a program to crawl links in freenet
On 12/03/2004, at 11:09 AM, Nicholas Sturm wrote: Please provide reference to a good glossary. I tried it (in a sandbox Linux account, which is absoltely the minimum precaution anyone should take if running code downloaded from an untrusted anonymous source) and it seems to work pretty nicely. Is sandbox just Linux term or does it have broader application? It refers to any environment that's been secured so only necessary applications are available to anything running as that user. It means that no unnecessary things, such as access to system password files, access to compilers, any setuid binaries etc are not allowed. Any untrusted code should be run in such an account, so it can't screw up your system. Java itself runs in a sandbox of sorts. Especially applets. -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Way to much RAM! Build 5064
On 29/01/2004, at 10:13 PM, Maximilian Mehnert wrote: Am Mi, den 28.01.2004 schrieb Maximilian Mehnert um 15:28: Having 400MB of RAM used by the node's java processes seems out of whack. In fact that sounds insane. Which threadFactory is your configuration file set to use? If you set it to use the YThreadFactory, do things improve? Sorry. Being online for about 12 hours freenet again succeeded in overloading an acceptable machine (1.5GHz, 512MB Ram), leaving it doing nothing but swapping RAM. I think it's time to take a break. Perhaps I'll check back in a year ;-) I'm still of the opinion that freenet will only spread if people are able to run it on a small router or in background with no noticeable impact on performance. I agree here. My router is a 1.53Ghz Athlon (XP1800+) with 512MB of RAM. The CPU isn't taxed, but the memory is. Also, bandwidth is used quite readily. I have a quota, and it'd be nice to be able to give Freenet a maximum monthly allocation, and have it shut down after that's passed the limit. I have no problem donating 2-3GB/month of traffic, but it takes 4-5 if I don't watch it, that's with a limit of 2kb/sec both ways. It would be nice if anyone with a spare P266 box could fire up freenet and just let it sit there. If I had a second life I would help redoing the whole thing in ocaml or something like that. But I have the miserable feeling that studying medicine will keep me busy for the next years. :-( Ok, no more flame wars ;-) If I knew the protocol, and knew enough about networking, I'd do a Cocoa client. I have no problems with continually changing the protocol, I'd just have to participate on the developer mailing list. Unfortunately there's no easy place to start from. I guess that's what you get with pre-release software. Another good idea would be a 'freenet browser', something like Gecko or WebKit (for OS X) embedded in to a freenet thing, with privacy options auto set. -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [freenet-support] Way to much RAM! Build 5064
On 31/01/2004, at 12:32 PM, David Masover wrote: | Another good idea would be a 'freenet browser', something like Gecko or No, it wouldn't. Gecko is for rendering (and I'd guess that WebKit is also). It takes html and renders it. Freenet currently uses html, and will probably continue to use it (at least for browsing). I am quite aware of what WebKit and Gecko do. It doesn't use http, of course, but adding a freenet:// URL style wouldn't change things too much, since you need the key first anyway -- it's going to be a long address no matter what. All that would do is allow for URLs to be to somewhere other than localhost, which can already be done (not sure if it has) by the server itself. This is better, because it doesn't require modifying a browser, and so far there's only one server. Or 192.168.0.1 in my case. And if you wanted to do such a thing, or the privacy features auto-set, you would do it as a browser extension -- notice when it's a freenet url, and don't do things like caching it. For this, you'd probably just specify a particular host:port that is a freenet url. And how many browsers do that? Sure, I'm not sure about writing a plugin, since most of the time they can only add processing for different MIME types, whereas a different browser using a freenet:// protocol could connect through FCP and do things like simplify splitfiles, insertions and the like with an interface that normal users could use. Sure, there's things such as fiw, but it's not the easiest of things to use. Having the whole feature set in one application would make it a lot nicer. -- Phillip Hutchings [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.sitharus.com/ smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Support mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://news.gmane.org/gmane.network.freenet.support Unsubscribe at http://dodo.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/support Or mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
