Re: newest version
BJ wrote: [...]IE will display the page, but if the code is not written in IE standards[] ...and you have to specify **which** IE standards. Each *version* of IE renders the same code differently. IE is a complete botch. Even the latest IE only gets 20 percent on Acid3 while other browsers achieved in excess of 90--some hit 100. Until the market share shifts SUBSTANTIALLY toward FF/SM, Some (techie) sites are seeing parity with IE (cumulatively) and Firefox (Gecko, cumulatively, according to their methods). developers will be faced with the reality that, even though they write W3C compliant code, it may not be displayed properly via IE. Pros know that after they have built a compliant page that looks fine in all other browsers they have to do specific tests on their pages to see how they look in IE6/7/8. *Smart* pros give a price for a compliant site and a separate price beyond that to make it look right in IE (actually, a separate price for *each version* of IE). The old hands have lots of tricks up their sleeves gathered over years of kludging things up for IE and they don't give those away for free. And even then (i.e. if the market share shifts substantially to FF/SM), I'm not so sure MS will surrender to W3C compliance. ...and water is wet. M$, however, doesn't have a choice. The slower they are to become compliant, the faster they will lose market share. After the google.cn/IE6 fiasco, government agencies in France, Germany, Australia, and New Zealand advised their residents to stop using *all* versions of IE. U.S. CERT advised that back in 2004. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Different dictionary for different accounts and per specific message?
Arne wrote: Daniel wrote: Arne wrote: Daniel wrote: Kjell Rilbe wrote: Hi, I'm Swedish and write most of my emails in Swedish, so would like to use the Swedish dictionary for spell checking in my e-mails. But I also write messages in several forums, in which case I write in English and would like to use the English dictionary. Also, I write in some mailing lists, which are normal e-mails, and I would like to use English dictionary for these. So, can I configure SeaMonkey to use THIS dictionary for THESE accounts, but THAT dictionary for these OTHER accounts, and also use THIS dictionary for messages to THESE recipients? If not, could such a feature be added? Kjell Kjell, one solution to your situation would be to set yourself up two profiles in SeaMonkey, one using a Swedish dictionary, the other using an English dictionary. You can set both profiles to use the same Inbox, Sent, News servers, etc, just if you need to change languages, select Tools-Switch Profiles and select the profile that uses the other dictionary. Why make it so difficult, when you can install the Dictionary Switcher extension? ;) Not a big one for extensions, Arne, but if the extension does what Kjell wants, then good. Where might he get it from?? Daniel http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#dictionaryswitcher Works very well for me (I'm also Swedish). In the bottom right corner of the browser and mail composing window it adds in text what dictionary is in focus, e.g. en-US at this moment for me. With a click on the text you change to an other dictionary, e.g. sv. The browser change language focus automatically on sites, if they have the language set in the html tag, e.g. lang=sv or lang=en. Ahh! An extension for which you first need another extension (xsidebar). Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Different dictionary for different accounts and per specific message?
Daniel wrote: Arne wrote: Daniel wrote: Arne wrote: Daniel wrote: Kjell Rilbe wrote: Hi, I'm Swedish and write most of my emails in Swedish, so would like to use the Swedish dictionary for spell checking in my e-mails. But I also write messages in several forums, in which case I write in English and would like to use the English dictionary. Also, I write in some mailing lists, which are normal e-mails, and I would like to use English dictionary for these. So, can I configure SeaMonkey to use THIS dictionary for THESE accounts, but THAT dictionary for these OTHER accounts, and also use THIS dictionary for messages to THESE recipients? If not, could such a feature be added? Kjell Kjell, one solution to your situation would be to set yourself up two profiles in SeaMonkey, one using a Swedish dictionary, the other using an English dictionary. You can set both profiles to use the same Inbox, Sent, News servers, etc, just if you need to change languages, select Tools-Switch Profiles and select the profile that uses the other dictionary. Why make it so difficult, when you can install the Dictionary Switcher extension? ;) Not a big one for extensions, Arne, but if the extension does what Kjell wants, then good. Where might he get it from?? Daniel http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#dictionaryswitcher Works very well for me (I'm also Swedish). In the bottom right corner of the browser and mail composing window it adds in text what dictionary is in focus, e.g. en-US at this moment for me. With a click on the text you change to an other dictionary, e.g. sv. The browser change language focus automatically on sites, if they have the language set in the html tag, e.g. lang=sv or lang=en. Ahh! An extension for which you first need another extension (xsidebar). No, the url may confuse you. But there is nothing on the page saying you need xsidebar to make it work. I don't have xsidebar and the switcher works even then. -- /Arne ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SM2.1 nightly SSL error renegotiation not allowed
Hello all, I use the SM2.1 nightlies at work and since a few days I get the following error when login to my company portal: Secure Connection Failed An error occurred during a connection to login.portal.company.com. Renegotiation is not allowed on this SSL socket. (Error code: ssl_error_renegotiation_not_allowed) As far as I know, nothing has changed there, nor in the certificates I use (mine and the cert authority, which is in this case my company). When I use Firefox 3.6, I don't get the error, although I have the same certificates setup. Any hint regarding the cause ? anything I can do to avoid this issue ? Thanks for the help Dom, (and yes, I must brave at heart to use the nightlies for my work :-) ) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Different dictionary for different accounts and per specific message?
Arne wrote: Daniel wrote: Arne wrote: Daniel wrote: Arne wrote: Daniel wrote: Kjell Rilbe wrote: Hi, I'm Swedish and write most of my emails in Swedish, so would like to use the Swedish dictionary for spell checking in my e-mails. But I also write messages in several forums, in which case I write in English and would like to use the English dictionary. Also, I write in some mailing lists, which are normal e-mails, and I would like to use English dictionary for these. So, can I configure SeaMonkey to use THIS dictionary for THESE accounts, but THAT dictionary for these OTHER accounts, and also use THIS dictionary for messages to THESE recipients? If not, could such a feature be added? Kjell Kjell, one solution to your situation would be to set yourself up two profiles in SeaMonkey, one using a Swedish dictionary, the other using an English dictionary. You can set both profiles to use the same Inbox, Sent, News servers, etc, just if you need to change languages, select Tools-Switch Profiles and select the profile that uses the other dictionary. Why make it so difficult, when you can install the Dictionary Switcher extension? ;) Not a big one for extensions, Arne, but if the extension does what Kjell wants, then good. Where might he get it from?? Daniel http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#dictionaryswitcher Works very well for me (I'm also Swedish). In the bottom right corner of the browser and mail composing window it adds in text what dictionary is in focus, e.g. en-US at this moment for me. With a click on the text you change to an other dictionary, e.g. sv. The browser change language focus automatically on sites, if they have the language set in the html tag, e.g. lang=sv or lang=en. Ahh! An extension for which you first need another extension (xsidebar). No, the url may confuse you. But there is nothing on the page saying you need xsidebar to make it work. I don't have xsidebar and the switcher works even then. O.K., thanks for that clarification, Arne. I thought all the xsidebar extensions required that xsidebar was installed first. I live, I learn! Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Different dictionary for different accounts and per specific message?
Daniel wrote: Arne wrote: Daniel wrote: Arne wrote: Daniel wrote: Arne wrote: Daniel wrote: Kjell Rilbe wrote: Hi, I'm Swedish and write most of my emails in Swedish, so would like to use the Swedish dictionary for spell checking in my e-mails. But I also write messages in several forums, in which case I write in English and would like to use the English dictionary. Also, I write in some mailing lists, which are normal e-mails, and I would like to use English dictionary for these. So, can I configure SeaMonkey to use THIS dictionary for THESE accounts, but THAT dictionary for these OTHER accounts, and also use THIS dictionary for messages to THESE recipients? If not, could such a feature be added? Kjell Kjell, one solution to your situation would be to set yourself up two profiles in SeaMonkey, one using a Swedish dictionary, the other using an English dictionary. You can set both profiles to use the same Inbox, Sent, News servers, etc, just if you need to change languages, select Tools-Switch Profiles and select the profile that uses the other dictionary. Why make it so difficult, when you can install the Dictionary Switcher extension? ;) Not a big one for extensions, Arne, but if the extension does what Kjell wants, then good. Where might he get it from?? Daniel http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#dictionaryswitcher Works very well for me (I'm also Swedish). In the bottom right corner of the browser and mail composing window it adds in text what dictionary is in focus, e.g. en-US at this moment for me. With a click on the text you change to an other dictionary, e.g. sv. The browser change language focus automatically on sites, if they have the language set in the html tag, e.g. lang=sv or lang=en. Ahh! An extension for which you first need another extension (xsidebar). No, the url may confuse you. But there is nothing on the page saying you need xsidebar to make it work. I don't have xsidebar and the switcher works even then. O.K., thanks for that clarification, Arne. I thought all the xsidebar extensions required that xsidebar was installed first. I live, I learn! Well, I don't understand why the extension is on the xsidebar sub domain page either. There is other url's, like https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/3414 with newer versions, but I don't know if that works with SM since SM is not mentioned. Here is an other type of switcher for SM https://addons.mozilla.org/sv-SE/seamonkey/addon/1333 Don't know anything about, with only a brief look at the page it looks unnecessarily complicated for my needs anyway. ;) -- /Arne ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Replies Backwards
Interviewed by CNN on 19/2/2010 01:50, Paul B. Gallagher told the world: I had a client write me in January after I had interspersed my respective replies after each paragraph of his message: I always wanted to ask you to write your response above my message and not mix with my original text. It takes me a long time to read your response and often I just give up. It bleeping blew me away. I thought I was doing him a favor by putting each answer with the corresponding question. People are used to do the things one way and get confused with any other way. Many people, particularly in the corporate world, are used to looking at e-mail like it is just a newfangled version of paper letters. So they expect to see a full letter and refer to separate documents as necessary -- previous letter being an attachment for convenience only. Personally, I think top-posting is a silly anachronism, in that it keeps imposing the restrictions of old, non-editable media on new tech. But some business people argue that bottom-posting with interspersed comments blurs the distinction between the original message and the response, and takes the original message quotes out of context. My guess is that your client doesn't really grok how the quote marks work, and so kept having to reference his original message to you in the sent messages folder, like if you hadn't quoted his message at all. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... BOFH excuse #179: multicasts on broken packets *Added by TagZilla 0.066.2 running on Seamonkey 2.0.3 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Upgrading with a non-standard profile location
John wrote: I'm running Windows XP SP3. I'm planning to upgrade from SeaMonkey v1.18 to SeaMonkey v2.02 as soon as I am sure how to successfully do so. I currently have two profiles for SeaMonkey v1.18. One is in the default standard location, but it is not the one I use. My primary profile is in a non-standard location, in a dedicated Data partition which is not on my C: drive. This profile includes a very large amount of email, over 10,000 messages, which it is vital that I not lose. I've read a few reports of upgrade difficulties when there is a large email folder, and I suspect having my profile in a non-standard location may also complicate things. Other than backing up my profile, what other things do I need to do/know to do this upgrade successfully? Thanks! John John, I also have my profile in a non-standard location, and, just like you, in a totally separate partition. Firstly, in SM 1.1.18, select each of your mail accounts and do a File-Empty Trash then File-Compact Folders to reduce their size by removing all the marked for deletion messages. My suggestion would, then, be to let SM 2.x.x install its default profile where ever it wants to. Your old default profile (which I'm guessing is virtually empty) will be copied to somewhere by SM 2.x.x Then, with-in SM 2.x.x, go to Tools-Switch Profiles, select Manage Profiles and give yourself a new primary profile in the location of your choice. On the page Completing the Create Profile Wizard, you can give it whatever name you want, and then, on that same screen, click Choose Folder and point to where you want your profile to be. Switch to this profile, set it up for your mail and news server accounts. Exit SM 2.x.x, and copy the profile folders (e.g. inbox, sent, etc) from your SM 1.1.18 profile and paste them (over write) the equivalent folders in your personal SM 2.x.x profile. Report back if you get stuck..or if I've forgotten something. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Server problems?
DonWB wrote: I may or may not be in the right place to ask this question because I don't think it's a browser problem, but hopefully someone may be able give me an answer or steer me to a place where I can get an answer. About a month ago I started having problems with SeaMonkey 1.1.18 hanging when going from website to website. When I click a link sometimes it will go to the new site right away, sometimes the page will start to load then just set there. If I click on the stop button then click the link again it will usually load right away or if I right click the page then click reload that works too. I am having the same problem on three different computers trying three different browsers so I think maybe Charter is having problems because a friend across town is having the same problem. I have called Charter and they deny having any problems. My problem is I don't know enough about servers in general to give them any argument, but I'm almost sure the problem is on their end. I was thinking maybe something like overloaded servers. I don't think it could be a problem with Seamonkey, but I could be wrong. Thanks for any help Don, if you were having problems every time with every server, then I might look at SM, but if it's random servers at random times, then I'd put it down to net congestion. HTH Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Server problems?
Daniel wrote: DonWB wrote: I may or may not be in the right place to ask this question because I don't think it's a browser problem, but hopefully someone may be able give me an answer or steer me to a place where I can get an answer. About a month ago I started having problems with SeaMonkey 1.1.18 hanging when going from website to website. When I click a link sometimes it will go to the new site right away, sometimes the page will start to load then just set there. If I click on the stop button then click the link again it will usually load right away or if I right click the page then click reload that works too. I am having the same problem on three different computers trying three different browsers so I think maybe Charter is having problems because a friend across town is having the same problem. I have called Charter and they deny having any problems. My problem is I don't know enough about servers in general to give them any argument, but I'm almost sure the problem is on their end. I was thinking maybe something like overloaded servers. I don't think it could be a problem with Seamonkey, but I could be wrong. Thanks for any help Don, if you were having problems every time with every server, then I might look at SM, but if it's random servers at random times, then I'd put it down to net congestion. HTH Daniel Daniel wrote: DonWB wrote: I may or may not be in the right place to ask this question because I don't think it's a browser problem, but hopefully someone may be able give me an answer or steer me to a place where I can get an answer. About a month ago I started having problems with SeaMonkey 1.1.18 hanging when going from website to website. When I click a link sometimes it will go to the new site right away, sometimes the page will start to load then just set there. If I click on the stop button then click the link again it will usually load right away or if I right click the page then click reload that works too. I am having the same problem on three different computers trying three different browsers so I think maybe Charter is having problems because a friend across town is having the same problem. I have called Charter and they deny having any problems. My problem is I don't know enough about servers in general to give them any argument, but I'm almost sure the problem is on their end. I was thinking maybe something like overloaded servers. I don't think it could be a problem with Seamonkey, but I could be wrong. Thanks for any help Don, if you were having problems every time with every server, then I might look at SM, but if it's random servers at random times, then I'd put it down to net congestion. HTH Daniel Common sense tells me it's a problem with my server,charter.com, because it just started a month or so ago and it happens about 99% of the time. I've been using the same browser much longer then that. The problem is, with charter when you contact tech support the first thing that comes out of their mouth is that you must have a problem on your end. I can hold my own with them arguing about most computer related problems but when they deny having any problems with their servers it's pretty hard to prove otherwise. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: newest version
BJ wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I would be perfectly satisfied with a world in which multiple browsers competed for market share but websites were coded to W3C standards. That would be a level playing field and the best browser(s) would win. So would I, but that's not reality. And anyway, how is writing a single version of compliant code not accommodating all browsers? Are some browsers unable to display compliant pages? We all know that IE, produced by the 500 pound gorilla on the block, does not display compliant pages . . . compliantly in many cases. IE will display the page, but if the code is not written in IE standards (which in many cases differs substantially from W3C), it may display that compliant code way out of whack. I don't like that, but that is the reality. Until the market share shifts SUBSTANTIALLY toward FF/SM, developers will be faced with the reality that, even though they write W3C compliant code, it may not be displayed properly via IE. And even then (i.e. if the market share shifts substantially to FF/SM), I'm not so sure MS will surrender to W3C compliance. I'm sure that 500 pound gorilla has something ready to thwart that circumstance when the time comes (if it ever does). BJ Perhaps, Page designers that design pages for w3c compliant should add a notation. /This website was written to World Wide Web Consortium Standards and should show properly on the vast Major of Web browsers on the Market today/. /If not please contact the creator of the browser that does not, and please tell them you will discontinue use of there product until is meets specifications/. Then the users should do what it says. The funny thing about w3c is MS is one of the Signatories of W3C, along with Apple and other major industry players. MS specific goal in doing so, is to find out what the specs are so that they can make them as far as possible the other direction, to make more people dependent upon IE rather than less. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Replies Backwards
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Kurt wrote: When I reply to an email, the text cursor is way down at the bottom of the email. I believe all my contacts that use Microsoft email and have grown accustomed to replies being at the beginning of the email will be confounded by replies at the end of the email. When I jump up to begin the reply it takes on the font of the So and So wrote line, which is Times New Roman and terrible for online viewing. It is a small annoyance, but I would like to start my response at the top of the page instead of starting to write at the bottom and then cutting and pasting it to the top. Any way to make Seamonkey change this behavior? Seamonkey also seems backwards in that by default it lists emails in the box from oldest to newest. Go to each individual email box in Edit Mail newsgroup setting choose Composition Addressing them click on button start reply at bottom. and choose start reply at top. Note: here in this group you will booed - hissed at, chastised, cursed, and flogged to do , what is known as top posting. It frowned upon here. But if your _contacts_ are use to Top Posting then by all means set as you desire. People know my opinion on Top posting and I won't go into it further. I had a client write me in January after I had interspersed my respective replies after each paragraph of his message: I always wanted to ask you to write your response above my message and not mix with my original text. It takes me a long time to read your response and often I just give up. It bleeping blew me away. I thought I was doing him a favor by putting each answer with the corresponding question. And you did notice this part above . I always wanted to ask you to *write your response above my message* and *not mix with my original text*. It takes me a long time to read your response and often I just give up. Yet everyone here extols the virtues of bottom posting. Your supposed to post especially in emails to what the receiver is accustomed to. Not your ridged guidelines as what is prim proper. If you get a message from a person either personal or business and they bottom post, post bottom post. If you get said message and they put replies to you at top, then they demand top post. You grit your teeth and Top post. Better to use their method and gain their business, rather than go by some silly posting guideline and lose a $20,000 job. Your person just has the chutzpa to speak up and say how they want things. I am sure there are others out the. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Different dictionary for different accounts and per specific message?
Arne wrote: Daniel wrote: Arne wrote: Daniel wrote: Arne wrote: Daniel wrote: Kjell Rilbe wrote: Hi, I'm Swedish and write most of my emails in Swedish, so would like to use the Swedish dictionary for spell checking in my e-mails. But I also write messages in several forums, in which case I write in English and would like to use the English dictionary. Also, I write in some mailing lists, which are normal e-mails, and I would like to use English dictionary for these. So, can I configure SeaMonkey to use THIS dictionary for THESE accounts, but THAT dictionary for these OTHER accounts, and also use THIS dictionary for messages to THESE recipients? If not, could such a feature be added? Kjell Kjell, one solution to your situation would be to set yourself up two profiles in SeaMonkey, one using a Swedish dictionary, the other using an English dictionary. You can set both profiles to use the same Inbox, Sent, News servers, etc, just if you need to change languages, select Tools-Switch Profiles and select the profile that uses the other dictionary. Why make it so difficult, when you can install the Dictionary Switcher extension? ;) Not a big one for extensions, Arne, but if the extension does what Kjell wants, then good. Where might he get it from?? Daniel http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#dictionaryswitcher Works very well for me (I'm also Swedish). In the bottom right corner of the browser and mail composing window it adds in text what dictionary is in focus, e.g. en-US at this moment for me. With a click on the text you change to an other dictionary, e.g. sv. The browser change language focus automatically on sites, if they have the language set in the html tag, e.g. lang=sv or lang=en. Ahh! An extension for which you first need another extension (xsidebar). No, the url may confuse you. But there is nothing on the page saying you need xsidebar to make it work. I don't have xsidebar and the switcher works even then. The only extension that I ever needed xsidebar for was in SM 1X series and it an extension to put graphical emoticons in text messages. While its not really needed in SM2 is has other smiles (emoticons) I don't remember the code for. I'd love to have it in SM2. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.1 nightly SSL error renegotiation not allowed
dominique wrote, On 2/19/2010 10:28 AM: Hello all, I use the SM2.1 nightlies at work and since a few days I get the following error when login to my company portal: Secure Connection Failed An error occurred during a connection to login.portal.company.com. Renegotiation is not allowed on this SSL socket. (Error code: ssl_error_renegotiation_not_allowed) As far as I know, nothing has changed there, nor in the certificates I use (mine and the cert authority, which is in this case my company). When I use Firefox 3.6, I don't get the error, although I have the same certificates setup. Any hint regarding the cause ? anything I can do to avoid this issue ? Thanks for the help Dom, (and yes, I must be brave at heart to use the nightlies for my work :-) ) Mmm, I guess a little goolging never hurts: https://developer.mozilla.org/NSS_3.12.5_release_notes All SSL3/TLS renegotiation is disabled by default in NSS 3.12.5, which is used in bleeding-edge Mozilla stuff... Good to know... Is there a way to disable this feature for a domain, a destination ? temporarily ? I see there that If an application depends on renegotiation feature, it can be enabled by setting the environment variable NSS_SSL_ENABLE_RENEGOTIATION to 1. By setting this environmental variable, the fix provided by these patches will have no effect and the application may become vulnerable to the issue. How can I set this environment variable ? is there a preference to set in about:config ? thanks to all (and thanks to all the developers for Seamonkey !!) Dominique ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Different dictionary for different accounts and per specific message?
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:54:04 +1100, Daniel wrote: Arne wrote: Daniel wrote: Ahh! An extension for which you first need another extension (xsidebar). No, the url may confuse you. But there is nothing on the page saying you need xsidebar to make it work. I don't have xsidebar and the switcher works even then. O.K., thanks for that clarification, Arne. I thought all the xsidebar extensions required that xsidebar was installed first. I need to update that webpage (I've already updated the modified Firefox extensions page). For SeaMonkey **2.0**, xSidebar isn't needed. Sorry for the confusion. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. [ ]Keyboard locked..Press F1 to continue * TagZilla 0.066.6 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.1 nightly SSL error renegotiation not allowed
On 2/19/2010 6:57 AM, dominique wrote: dominique wrote, On 2/19/2010 10:28 AM: Hello all, I use the SM2.1 nightlies at work and since a few days I get the following error when login to my company portal: Secure Connection Failed An error occurred during a connection to login.portal.company.com. Renegotiation is not allowed on this SSL socket. (Error code: ssl_error_renegotiation_not_allowed) As far as I know, nothing has changed there, nor in the certificates I use (mine and the cert authority, which is in this case my company). When I use Firefox 3.6, I don't get the error, although I have the same certificates setup. Any hint regarding the cause ? anything I can do to avoid this issue ? Thanks for the help Dom, (and yes, I must be brave at heart to use the nightlies for my work :-) ) Mmm, I guess a little goolging never hurts: https://developer.mozilla.org/NSS_3.12.5_release_notes All SSL3/TLS renegotiation is disabled by default in NSS 3.12.5, which is used in bleeding-edge Mozilla stuff... Good to know... Is there a way to disable this feature for a domain, a destination ? temporarily ? I see there that If an application depends on renegotiation feature, it can be enabled by setting the environment variable NSS_SSL_ENABLE_RENEGOTIATION to 1. By setting this environmental variable, the fix provided by these patches will have no effect and the application may become vulnerable to the issue. How can I set this environment variable ? is there a preference to set in about:config ? thanks to all (and thanks to all the developers for Seamonkey !!) Dominique Environment variables are set outside of SeaMonkey. How/where you set them depends on your operating system. For example, if you're running Windows/XP, one way is to right click on the My Computer desktop icon and select Properties. Then click on the Advanced tab, then the Environment Variables button. On this page, you can set the Environment variable for the logged-in user, or for all users (system variables). Note that if you set it for the logged-in user, you may need to log out and back in for the setting to take effect. Best Regards, ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SM2.1 nightly SSL error renegotiation not allowed
Mark Hansen wrote, On 2/19/2010 5:18 PM: Environment variables are set outside of SeaMonkey. How/where you set them depends on your operating system. For example, if you're running Windows/XP, one way is to right click on the My Computer desktop icon and select Properties. Then click on the Advanced tab, then the Environment Variables button. On this page, you can set the Environment variable for the logged-in user, or for all users (system variables). Note that if you set it for the logged-in user, you may need to log out and back in for the setting to take effect. Best Regards, Thanks a lot ! Something to remember as the vulnerability is still open ! Dominique ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Server problems?
u...@domain.invalid wrote: Daniel wrote: DonWB wrote: About a month ago I started having problems with SeaMonkey 1.1.18 hanging when going from website to website. When I click a link sometimes it will go to the new site right away, sometimes the page will start to load then just set there. I have called Charter and they deny having any problems. Thanks for any help Don, if you were having problems every time with every server, then I might look at SM, but if it's random servers at random times, then I'd put it down to net congestion. Common sense tells me it's a problem with my server,charter.com, because it just started a month or so ago and it happens about 99% of the time. I've been using the same browser much longer then that. The problem is, with charter when you contact tech support the first thing that comes out of their mouth is that you must have a problem on your end. I can hold my own with them arguing about most computer related problems but when they deny having any problems with their servers it's pretty hard to prove otherwise. Some Charter users use other DNS servers than Charter's for this reason. If you go to the Broadband Reports forum for Charter users they will give you some of the most reliable servers to try, if you want. You can also find out if more users are having the same problems in your area. Plus if changing your server, doesn't help, Charter now has a Direct Forum at that site, where you can get help from their employees, that most people say get better results than chat or telephone CSRs give. I haven't used it yet, but have been on the users forum for years. http://www.dslreports.com/forum/charter Good luck, I'm confident your problem is not SeaMonkey. :) bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Replies Backwards
Yet everyone here extols the virtues of bottom posting. Your supposed to post especially in emails to what the receiver is accustomed to. Not your ridged guidelines as what is prim proper. Exactly why I wanted to know how to change. Most people getting my emails are using Outlook. Thanks for the help. No boos and hisses so far. Kurt ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Replies Backwards
Phillip Jones wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Kurt wrote: When I reply to an email, the text cursor is way down at the bottom of the email. I believe all my contacts that use Microsoft email and have grown accustomed to replies being at the beginning of the email will be confounded by replies at the end of the email. When I jump up to begin the reply it takes on the font of the So and So wrote line, which is Times New Roman and terrible for online viewing. It is a small annoyance, but I would like to start my response at the top of the page instead of starting to write at the bottom and then cutting and pasting it to the top. Any way to make Seamonkey change this behavior? Seamonkey also seems backwards in that by default it lists emails in the box from oldest to newest. Go to each individual email box in Edit Mail newsgroup setting choose Composition Addressing them click on button start reply at bottom. and choose start reply at top. Note: here in this group you will booed - hissed at, chastised, cursed, and flogged to do , what is known as top posting. It frowned upon here. But if your _contacts_ are use to Top Posting then by all means set as you desire. People know my opinion on Top posting and I won't go into it further. I had a client write me in January after I had interspersed my respective replies after each paragraph of his message: I always wanted to ask you to write your response above my message and not mix with my original text. It takes me a long time to read your response and often I just give up. It bleeping blew me away. I thought I was doing him a favor by putting each answer with the corresponding question. And you did notice this part above . I always wanted to ask you to *write your response above my message* and *not mix with my original text*. It takes me a long time to read your response and often I just give up. Yet everyone here extols the virtues of bottom posting. Your supposed to post especially in emails to what the receiver is accustomed to. Not your ridged guidelines as what is prim proper. If you get a message from a person either personal or business and they bottom post, post bottom post. If you get said message and they put replies to you at top, then they demand top post. You grit your teeth and Top post. Better to use their method and gain their business, rather than go by some silly posting guideline and lose a $20,000 job. Your person just has the chutzpa to speak up and say how they want things. I am sure there are others out the. I've been on mailing lists or groups or whatever you want to call them for nearly 20 years now and have found some like this one that request bottom posting as well as others that request top posting and have run into times especially when the sender gives a list of numbered questions that doing like Paul suggested works best so your answering line item questions with line item answers. But what irritates me the most is when a list/group imposes a dictatorship to the point of threatening to ban someone that occasionally screws up and posts in a manner not according to their demands. I guess it just the freethinking spirit of the internet that makes me feel this way. Personally I like the top posting because if you've been following the thread it is easier to read the subject of an email then read that persons response to that subject and go on to the next posting. If you haven't been following the thread then you can read the original posting below the answer if the list/group hasn't also demanded that all posts be trimmed of all but the answer to the original posting and if you don't then the moderators do it and add a nasty little reminder about it to your post, sort of mail tampering. -- Big Bill ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Quote: top or bottom of the page
u...@domain.invalid wrote: Yes, Click Edit then Mail and Newsgroup settings, then composition and addressing, and it be the second or third thing down. Jack Okay, this didn't thread with anything else, and with no quoting of relevant material, I have no idea what you are talking about. More important, I wonder if the OP you are trying to help will be able to find this reply. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Subject:
Subject: Re: SM2.1 nightly SSL error renegotiation not allowed From: Mark Hansen m...@nospamwinfirst.com Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2010 08:18:00 -0800 To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org On 2/19/2010 6:57 AM, dominique wrote: dominique wrote, On 2/19/2010 10:28 AM: Hello all, I use the SM2.1 nightlies at work and since a few days I get the following error when login to my company portal: Secure Connection Failed An error occurred during a connection to login.portal.company.com. Renegotiation is not allowed on this SSL socket. (Error code: ssl_error_renegotiation_not_allowed) As far as I know, nothing has changed there, nor in the certificates I use (mine and the cert authority, which is in this case my company). When I use Firefox 3.6, I don't get the error, although I have the same certificates setup. Any hint regarding the cause ? anything I can do to avoid this issue ? Thanks for the help Dom, (and yes, I must be brave at heart to use the nightlies for my work:-) ) Mmm, I guess a little goolging never hurts: https://developer.mozilla.org/NSS_3.12.5_release_notes All SSL3/TLS renegotiation is disabled by default in NSS 3.12.5, which is used in bleeding-edge Mozilla stuff... Good to know... Is there a way to disable this feature for a domain, a destination ? temporarily ? I see there that If an application depends on renegotiation feature, it can be enabled by setting the environment variable NSS_SSL_ENABLE_RENEGOTIATION to 1. By setting this environmental variable, the fix provided by these patches will have no effect and the application may become vulnerable to the issue. How can I set this environment variable ? is there a preference to set inabout:config ? thanks to all (and thanks to all the developers for Seamonkey !!) Dominique Environment variables are set outside of SeaMonkey. How/where you set them depends on your operating system. For example, if you're running Windows/XP, one way is to right click on the My Computer desktop icon and select Properties. Then click on the Advanced tab, then the Environment Variables button. On this page, you can set the Environment variable for the logged-in user, or for all users (system variables). Note that if you set it for the logged-in user, you may need to log out and back in for the setting to take effect. Best Regards, My reply: I posted a question several days ago about my SSL proxy function not working properly. I use a proxy accelerator for my dialup connection. Even though I have the SSL set in the Advanced section, I still get a proxy error when visiting secure sites. I have to set SSL sites as No proxy for: in the proxy settings rendering them non-accelerated. Is there a WindowsXP environment variable that addresses general SSL connections other than the SSL renegotiation variable mentioned above? And where can I find a listing of WindowsXP environment variables so I am sure to use the correct coding? Perhaps this is the solution to my problem until SM comes out with an update that fixes this. I am downloading ver. 2.0.3 as we speak and maybe this will offer some relief. Any comments appreciated. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Replies Backwards
MCBastos wrote: My guess is that your client doesn't really grok how the quote marks work, and so kept having to reference his original message to you in the sent messages folder, like if you hadn't quoted his message at all. Yeh, that's how I took it, too. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Replies Backwards
Phillip Jones wrote: And you did notice this part above . I always wanted to ask you to *write your response above my message* and *not mix with my original text*. It takes me a long time to read your response and often I just give up. Yet everyone here extols the virtues of bottom posting. Your supposed to post especially in emails to what the receiver is accustomed to. Not your ridged guidelines as what is prim proper. You've missed the point entirely if you think this is about my rigid guidelines as to what is prim and proper. Read again my last paragraph: It bleeping blew me away. *I thought I was doing him a favor* by putting each answer with the corresponding question. If you get a message from a person either personal or business and they bottom post, post bottom post. If you get said message and they put replies to you at top, then they demand top post. You grit your teeth and Top post. Better to use their method and gain their business, rather than go by some silly posting guideline and lose a $20,000 job. Your person just has the chutzpa to speak up and say how they want things. I am sure there are others out the. And then the recipient, following the same principle, should reply to me in my system (bottom posting), creating an incomprehensible hodge-podge when I top-post for his benefit in reply. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: newest version
Phillip Jones wrote: Page designers that design pages for w3c [compliance] should add a notation. /This website was written to World Wide Web Consortium Standards and should show properly on the vast Major of Web browsers There's even a tag for that. Put this in an HTML file and view that with IE, then Gecko: !--[if IE]br Only Internet Exploder can see this text.br ![endif]--br /If not please contact the creator of the browser that does not, and please tell them you will discontinue use of [their] product until [it] meets specifications/. ...or simply: This site best viewed with a standards-compliant browser. http://google.com/search?q=%22+best.viewed.with.a.standards-compliant.browser When combined with the tag shown above and using large red text, it grabs the attention. Using the flash tag would put the icing on the cake. The funny thing about w3c is MS is one of the Signatories of W3C It's easier to do damage when you're one of the Fifth Column than when you're an overtly declared enemy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: newest version
Arne wrote: Have you ever tried all options on Google Maps? The Satelite and Terrain (if that is the word in English)! I take Google any time over that *terrible* map from Bing. A mapping system is only as good as it is accurate and up-to-date. Google's aerial maps for my part of the UK are at least 3 years old - I can see my next door neighbour's old car and the housing estate a few miles away is missing half it's buildings. Bing's aerial maps seem to be only months old. -- Neil Hughes ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
remember the password 2.0.? does not work in one profile
The remember the password function does not work after installing 2.0.2 and then 2.0.3 for my main profile. I have several other profiles where it works okay. Is there anything in about:config I can look for to set it to True or False to make the remember function work ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Printing passwords in V 2
BeeNeR wrote: On or about 2/6/2010 2:25 PM, NoOp typed the following: On 02/05/2010 07:49 PM, Phillip Jones wrote: NoOp wrote: Don't have OpenOffice. Mac builds are a little different, but should work fine. Give OOo a spin: http://www.openoffice.org/ http://download.openoffice.org/index.html http://download.openoffice.org/other.html http://support.openoffice.org/index.html And specific to Mac: http://porting.openoffice.org/mac/index.html I've been using 00 since version 1. Now on 3.1.1 and I have so much confidence in it I have removed M$ Office from my home machine. I wrote a novel using OO, in general my problems were in the I don't know how to rather than OO can't do class. Future warning: November is write a novel in a month challenge month. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Ping Q . . . Claws Mail
»Q« wrote: In news:t4odnrkkoe5z7fvwnz2dnuvz_rkdn...@mozilla.org, BJ rbjamienos...@nospamgmail.com wrote: Hey Q, Why do you use Claws mail instead of TB or SM? What features does it have that they don't? (I'm assuming that you use it for features that SM or TB don't have . . . or is it just personal preference?) I haven't compared any feature with recent versions of SM or TB, and I don't think comparisons of Claws Mail with obsolete Mozilla products would do any good. I have TB 3 installed, but so far I've only looked at how it handles rss, not mail or news. The Claws Mail site has a lengthy features list. If you're interested in any of them, ping me in m.general and I'll answer whatever I can about them. So, why do you use SM instead of Claws Mail? ;) Got tired of using multiple products which played less well with each other if the developers had a bad burrito. I get browse, mail (with pretty decent filters), NNTP(news), RSS, a website validator, an HTML composer, and an IRC client. And if you find extensions useful many of FF and TB work (may need to disable compatibility checks if the author didn't include SM). -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [Linux] SeaMonkey 2.x Olympics
NoOp wrote: For all of you SM 2.x users out there that may be trying to watch videos on the www.nbcolympics.com site and once again are running into the proprietary MS Windows Silverlight issues; I've *finally* managed to get the videos running with moonlight[1] in SeaMonkey 2.0.3. Initial links to the standard moonlight 2.0 plugins don't work. Instead you'll need to install the 2.99.x/3.0 preview version instead: http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/prerelease.aspx Only after installing the .xpi was I able to view the videos. [1] Yes, I know it's mono, yes I know it's the Novell/Microsoft evil empire contract, but yes I also know that it's worth putting mono moonlight up (at least temporarily) in order to show the Olympics in linux SeaMonkey 2.x. :-) Wish there was a way to D/L the clips in some standard format, I have sort of been avoiding moonlight, for all the obvious reasons. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Gmail interface for SM 2
Jeffrey Needle wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:04:34 -0500, Jeffrey Needle wrote: I see there's an absolutely beautiful add-on for Firefox that makes gmail so much nicer and easier to use. Is there something like this for Seamonkey? Using SM2 on a WinXP system. There are several extensions including BetterGmail and GTDInbox. Could you be more specific? Phil Unfortunately, no. I have to see what the interfaces do to know if it's good for me. I just think Gmail's interface is clunky and hard to use. I'll try both of the ones you mention and see how they work. I'll report back when I have more specific information. I don't understand what you mean by Gmail's interface being clunky. If you don't like the interface to IMAP mailboxes in mail/news, that's your choice, but why do you find it any clunkier than any other? -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
1.1.18 = 2.0.x migrate ignores chatzilla?
Why do I get an empty chatzilla after migrate? No preference, no scripts, empty virgin CZ like I downloaded it from the website. It's bad enough that users have to migrate every profile totally manually if they have more than one, but the CZ didn't migrate it looks like a clean new install. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bad upgrade from 1.1.18 to 2.03
u...@domain.invalid wrote: cmcadams wrote: Last evening I finally uninstalled 1.1.18, and installed 2.03. My Profiles Bookmarks Email and newsgroup accounts Addresses Saved emails didn't make the trip. 2.0.3's wizard said it had imported everything, but no evidence of that. Asking 2.03 to import the missing items after installation was fruitless since I don't use Eudora, Outlook, etc. The browser itself was functional. 1.1.18 is now back in use. The OS is XP SP3. Yes, I have a nonstandard SM installation. Program files are installed to: E:\Mozilla\SMonkey to keep my boot partition smaller, which makes boot partition image backups easier. 2.0.3 was installed to the same location. 1.1.18's config files have always been in the standard place: C:\Documents and Settings\[myname]\Application Data Has anyone dealt with this before, or can point me to a page where someone has? I had issues like that clear back when they came-out with SeaMonkey 2- the best way is not to upgrade until they get all the bugs worked-out, I think there's a settings under preferences, advanced for Seamonkey not to search for a upgrade. Stay tuned to this channel for news of when a good version comes out. Jack I'm afraid you're wrong there. The problem the OP posted was one of a problem profile migration. That is not a flaw in the program itself, but in the migration process. That is not going to improve. Anyone who is waiting for an improved migration tool is going to have a long wait. In fact, the profile migration will probably go away entirely, though that will be a while. The real answer is to migrate the data manually. It may be a pain but once its done its done, and you willbe positioned to move on. Yes, we all hope that there will be many improvements to the suite, but an improved migration tool, probably not. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bad upgrade from 1.1.18 to 2.03
Leonidas Jones wrote: u...@domain.invalid wrote: cmcadams wrote: Last evening I finally uninstalled 1.1.18, and installed 2.03. My Profiles Bookmarks Email and newsgroup accounts Addresses Saved emails didn't make the trip. 2.0.3's wizard said it had imported everything, but no evidence of that. Asking 2.03 to import the missing items after installation was fruitless since I don't use Eudora, Outlook, etc. The browser itself was functional. 1.1.18 is now back in use. The OS is XP SP3. Yes, I have a nonstandard SM installation. Program files are installed to: E:\Mozilla\SMonkey to keep my boot partition smaller, which makes boot partition image backups easier. 2.0.3 was installed to the same location. 1.1.18's config files have always been in the standard place: C:\Documents and Settings\[myname]\Application Data Has anyone dealt with this before, or can point me to a page where someone has? I had issues like that clear back when they came-out with SeaMonkey 2- the best way is not to upgrade until they get all the bugs worked-out, I think there's a settings under preferences, advanced for Seamonkey not to search for a upgrade. Stay tuned to this channel for news of when a good version comes out. Jack I'm afraid you're wrong there. The problem the OP posted was one of a problem profile migration. That is not a flaw in the program itself, but in the migration process. That is not going to improve. Anyone who is waiting for an improved migration tool is going to have a long wait. In fact, the profile migration will probably go away entirely, though that will be a while. The real answer is to migrate the data manually. It may be a pain but once its done its done, and you willbe positioned to move on. Yes, we all hope that there will be many improvements to the suite, but an improved migration tool, probably not. Lee After many failed profile migration attempts, I discovered the key is to change the program group that SM is installed in. Instead of accepting the default Seamonkey, I changed it to Seamonkey2. Migration proceeded normally, and all my profile settings, email, passwords, etc. were carried over. Plug-ins and extensions were lost and had to be manually re-installed. HTH Lance ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: newest version
JeffM wrote: IE is a complete botch. Agreed, but that doesn't stop a lot of noobs from using it . . . mostly because it comes with their machines. I think the EU has the best approach. Pros know that after they have built a compliant page that looks fine in all other browsers they have to do specific tests on their pages to see how they look in IE6/7/8. While I am not a pro, I'm building a web site for my brother-in-law's real estate business. I have a Windows VM within my Linux, so I have IE(8) just so I can check how my pages render. I check them for Chrome, Opera, and IE8 (I write them using FF). I probably should check them in IE6 and 7 too, but my brother-in-law uses IE7 (well . . . AOL's version of IE7, which is another story . . . I'm more of an AOL basher than I am a Micro$oft basher) and I have him check the view-ability of pages on his machine before I release them. Unfortunately, most who view his web site are using IE7, so I have to make my code accommodate IE7. I do have the Best Viewed with the Firefox Browser caution on his site, but that hasn't changed the traffic pattern. *Smart* pros give a price for a compliant site and a separate price beyond that to make it look right in IE (actually, a separate price for *each version* of IE). There was an interesting twist to this for my brother-in-law's real estate business. He was being inundated with marketing emails from web development companies offering to design a web page for his business. Most of his colleagues had retained one or another. He asked me for advice on this, so I checked some of the sites his colleagues had (and had built by what I thought were scammers.) NONE of the sites rendered without substantial display issues in IE . . . much as I suspected. Turns out these pros (not) were doing it for a flat fee and NOT checking the rendering in IE. From my vantage point, since I knew most of the customers were viewing these pages in IE, they were seeing something that, while maybe W3C standards compliant (and real estate customers don't know what that means, much less care about it), looked very unprofessional. So that's why I agreed to do a web site for him (without charge, BTW). After the google.cn/IE6 fiasco, government agencies in France, Germany, Australia, and New Zealand advised their residents to stop using *all* versions of IE. U.S. CERT advised that back in 2004. As I said, I think the EU, and Australia and NZ, have the right approach. Interestingly though, the governments of those countries require their employees to use IE, while they recommend not to use it for their residents . . . what's wrong with that picture? I think we're in basic agreement, but you apparently are a strong M$ basher (I am a little too, but I don't get my shorts so twisted . . . I just switched to Linux over it and now am glad I left Windows . . . I get my shorts more twisted over AOL). BJ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: 1.1.18 = 2.0.x migrate ignores chatzilla?
Bill Davidsen wrote: Why do I get an empty chatzilla after migrate? No preference, no scripts, empty virgin CZ like I downloaded it from the website. It's bad enough that users have to migrate every profile totally manually if they have more than one, but the CZ didn't migrate it looks like a clean new install. AFAIK ChatZilla prefs are migrated, as are Venkman (JavaScript Debugger) and DOM Inspector prefs. At least that's what I understand when looking at the source: http://mxr.mozilla.org/comm-1.9.1/source/suite/profile/migration/src/nsSeamonkeyProfileMigrator.cpp#602 extensions.irc. is part of the list of pref branches that are copied completely (AFAICT). If you're missing some settings you could try to find them by looking at SM 1.1.x's about:config and check whether they exist in SM 2's about:config. HTH Jens -- Jens Hatlak http://jens.hatlak.de/ SeaMonkey Trunk Tracker http://smtt.blogspot.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Help with Lightning for Seamonkey 2.0
Cecil Bankston wrote: Jeffrey Needle wrote: Is there a newsgroup for Lightning support? Or is there some other way for me to ask some questions? I'm having some problems. Thanks. Lightning 1.0b2pre installed with no problems and seems to be working well in SM 2.0.2. Get the latest (Windows) nightly build from this URL: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly/latest-comm-1.9.1/win32-xpi/ I think I recall that the latest release version would not install in SM 2.x. The latest Linux version(s) sure don't. I tried the latest-comm* versions, and the plain latest, and all are rejected as not compatible. Looks like we no longer have the ability to disable that checking, I tried a new profile and a theme I've used before, with the Checkcompatability set false, and the theme, which installed on 2.0.2, no longer installs. Sure wish there was a way to exit nanny mode and really disable compatibility checking. If the process blows up, that's my fault, if SM won't let me try that a bug in my book. Anyway, can't even try Lightning for Linux. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Gmail interface for SM 2
Bill Davidsen wrote: Jeffrey Needle wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:04:34 -0500, Jeffrey Needle wrote: I see there's an absolutely beautiful add-on for Firefox that makes gmail so much nicer and easier to use. Is there something like this for Seamonkey? Using SM2 on a WinXP system. There are several extensions including BetterGmail and GTDInbox. Could you be more specific? Phil Unfortunately, no. I have to see what the interfaces do to know if it's good for me. I just think Gmail's interface is clunky and hard to use. I'll try both of the ones you mention and see how they work. I'll report back when I have more specific information. I don't understand what you mean by Gmail's interface being clunky. If you don't like the interface to IMAP mailboxes in mail/news, that's your choice, but why do you find it any clunkier than any other? While the OP may answer that anyway, it is a question of aesthetics, and thus very very subjective (I don't understand it either, but then I don't understand what's so special, and appealing to some, about modern art . . . hell, I wouldn't even know what modern art would be even if I was looking right at it). You can't really crawl into someone's subjective reasoning. So, one person's clunky Gmail interface can be another's beautiful and efficient Gmail interface (I wouldn't go so far myself to describe it as beautiful, but it seems fine to me). Will be interested to see the OP's answer. BJ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Help with Lightning for Seamonkey 2.0
Bill Davidsen wrote: Cecil Bankston wrote: Jeffrey Needle wrote: Is there a newsgroup for Lightning support? Or is there some other way for me to ask some questions? I'm having some problems. Thanks. Lightning 1.0b2pre installed with no problems and seems to be working well in SM 2.0.2. Get the latest (Windows) nightly build from this URL: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly/latest-comm-1.9.1/win32-xpi/ I think I recall that the latest release version would not install in SM 2.x. The latest Linux version(s) sure don't. I tried the latest-comm* versions, and the plain latest, and all are rejected as not compatible. Looks like we no longer have the ability to disable that checking, I tried a new profile and a theme I've used before, with the Checkcompatability set false, and the theme, which installed on 2.0.2, no longer installs. Sure wish there was a way to exit nanny mode and really disable compatibility checking. If the process blows up, that's my fault, if SM won't let me try that a bug in my book. Anyway, can't even try Lightning for Linux. Oh, before someone asks, YES, I do get the yellow warning tag saying I have disabled compatibility. Not enough, obviously... -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: [Linux] SeaMonkey 2.x Olympics
Bill Davidsen wrote: NoOp wrote: For all of you SM 2.x users out there that may be trying to watch videos on the www.nbcolympics.com site and once again are running into the proprietary MS Windows Silverlight issues; I've *finally* managed to get the videos running with moonlight[1] in SeaMonkey 2.0.3. Initial links to the standard moonlight 2.0 plugins don't work. Instead you'll need to install the 2.99.x/3.0 preview version instead: http://www.go-mono.com/moonlight/prerelease.aspx Only after installing the .xpi was I able to view the videos. [1] Yes, I know it's mono, yes I know it's the Novell/Microsoft evil empire contract, but yes I also know that it's worth putting mono moonlight up (at least temporarily) in order to show the Olympics in linux SeaMonkey 2.x. :-) Wish there was a way to D/L the clips in some standard format, I have sort of been avoiding moonlight, for all the obvious reasons. Do you Turn into a Werewolf :-) (Couldn't resist, sorry) -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Quote: top or bottom of the page
Leonidas Jones wrote: u...@domain.invalid wrote: Yes, Click Edit then Mail and Newsgroup settings, then composition and addressing, and it be the second or third thing down. Jack Okay, this didn't thread with anything else, and with no quoting of relevant material, I have no idea what you are talking about. More important, I wonder if the OP you are trying to help will be able to find this reply. Lee He referring to choosing Top or bottom posting. the op he replied to asked how to set replies to messages to top post though he didn't word exactly those words. It so obvious. Because I said almost the same exact thing except I went into a little more detail. either the op or a respondent noted he had a paying client tell he he wanted top posted replies, because if interspersed replies were so complex to make out, he just deleted the messages. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Replies Backwards
William Morrison wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Kurt wrote: When I reply to an email, the text cursor is way down at the bottom of the email. I believe all my contacts that use Microsoft email and have grown accustomed to replies being at the beginning of the email will be confounded by replies at the end of the email. When I jump up to begin the reply it takes on the font of the So and So wrote line, which is Times New Roman and terrible for online viewing. It is a small annoyance, but I would like to start my response at the top of the page instead of starting to write at the bottom and then cutting and pasting it to the top. Any way to make Seamonkey change this behavior? Seamonkey also seems backwards in that by default it lists emails in the box from oldest to newest. Go to each individual email box in Edit Mail newsgroup setting choose Composition Addressing them click on button start reply at bottom. and choose start reply at top. Note: here in this group you will booed - hissed at, chastised, cursed, and flogged to do , what is known as top posting. It frowned upon here. But if your _contacts_ are use to Top Posting then by all means set as you desire. People know my opinion on Top posting and I won't go into it further. I had a client write me in January after I had interspersed my respective replies after each paragraph of his message: I always wanted to ask you to write your response above my message and not mix with my original text. It takes me a long time to read your response and often I just give up. It bleeping blew me away. I thought I was doing him a favor by putting each answer with the corresponding question. And you did notice this part above . I always wanted to ask you to *write your response above my message* and *not mix with my original text*. It takes me a long time to read your response and often I just give up. Yet everyone here extols the virtues of bottom posting. Your supposed to post especially in emails to what the receiver is accustomed to. Not your ridged guidelines as what is prim proper. If you get a message from a person either personal or business and they bottom post, post bottom post. If you get said message and they put replies to you at top, then they demand top post. You grit your teeth and Top post. Better to use their method and gain their business, rather than go by some silly posting guideline and lose a $20,000 job. Your person just has the chutzpa to speak up and say how they want things. I am sure there are others out the. I've been on mailing lists or groups or whatever you want to call them for nearly 20 years now and have found some like this one that request bottom posting as well as others that request top posting and have run into times especially when the sender gives a list of numbered questions that doing like Paul suggested works best so your answering line item questions with line item answers. But what irritates me the most is when a list/group imposes a dictatorship to the point of threatening to ban someone that occasionally screws up and posts in a manner not according to their demands. I guess it just the freethinking spirit of the internet that makes me feel this way. Personally I like the top posting because if you've been following the thread it is easier to read the subject of an email then read that persons response to that subject and go on to the next posting. If you haven't been following the thread then you can read the original posting below the answer if the list/group hasn't also demanded that all posts be trimmed of all but the answer to the original posting and if you don't then the moderators do it and add a nasty little reminder about it to your post, sort of mail tampering. You have no arguments with me. Most guidelines as far as posting were started back during Bulletin Board days simply because some people started that way and it go etched in stone, then its difficult those people understand not everyone thinks that way. I use to tilt at windmills her trying explain the logic of using top Posting. But I decided it was a waste of effort and a lost cause. Because every time I tried to win anyone over, I was all but tarred and feathered. Other things in my life have become more important to me. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Replies Backwards
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: And you did notice this part above . I always wanted to ask you to *write your response above my message* and *not mix with my original text*. It takes me a long time to read your response and often I just give up. Yet everyone here extols the virtues of bottom posting. Your supposed to post especially in emails to what the receiver is accustomed to. Not your ridged guidelines as what is prim proper. You've missed the point entirely if you think this is about my rigid guidelines as to what is prim and proper. Read again my last paragraph: I wasn't necessarily you. I was referring to this newsgroup. It bleeping blew me away. *I thought I was doing him a favor* by putting each answer with the corresponding question. If you get a message from a person either personal or business and they bottom post, post bottom post. If you get said message and they put replies to you at top, then they demand top post. You grit your teeth and Top post. Better to use their method and gain their business, rather than go by some silly posting guideline and lose a $20,000 job. Your person just has the chutzpa to speak up and say how they want things. I am sure there are others out the. - And then the recipient, following the same principle, should reply to me in my system (bottom posting), creating an incomprehensible hodge-podge when I top-post for his benefit in reply. He does so because that he assumes that how you want things. So he expect replies at the top for him to read and you expect things at the bottom so you can read. You and him need to settle on one or the other. Even though you hate it both should top post. Its more logical to him. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: newest version
On 2/19/2010 12:51 PM, JeffM wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Page designers that design pages for w3c [compliance] should add a notation. /This website was written to World Wide Web Consortium Standards and should show properly on the vast Major of Web browsers There's even a tag for that. Put this in an HTML file and view that with IE, then Gecko: !--[if IE]br Only Internet Exploder can see this text.br ![endif]--br /If not please contact the creator of the browser that does not, and please tell them you will discontinue use of [their] product until [it] meets specifications/. ...or simply: This site best viewed with a standards-compliant browser. http://google.com/search?q=%22+best.viewed.with.a.standards-compliant.browser When combined with the tag shown above and using large red text, it grabs the attention. Using the flash tag would put the icing on the cake. The funny thing about w3c is MS is one of the Signatories of W3C It's easier to do damage when you're one of the Fifth Column than when you're an overtly declared enemy: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embrace,_extend_and_extinguish If appears that more is required to sniff for IE. I tried your example. The same text showed in both IE 7 and SeaMonkey 2.0.3. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: newest version
On 2/19/2010 6:02 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: BJ wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I would be perfectly satisfied with a world in which multiple browsers competed for market share but websites were coded to W3C standards. That would be a level playing field and the best browser(s) would win. So would I, but that's not reality. And anyway, how is writing a single version of compliant code not accommodating all browsers? Are some browsers unable to display compliant pages? We all know that IE, produced by the 500 pound gorilla on the block, does not display compliant pages . . . compliantly in many cases. IE will display the page, but if the code is not written in IE standards (which in many cases differs substantially from W3C), it may display that compliant code way out of whack. I don't like that, but that is the reality. Until the market share shifts SUBSTANTIALLY toward FF/SM, developers will be faced with the reality that, even though they write W3C compliant code, it may not be displayed properly via IE. And even then (i.e. if the market share shifts substantially to FF/SM), I'm not so sure MS will surrender to W3C compliance. I'm sure that 500 pound gorilla has something ready to thwart that circumstance when the time comes (if it ever does). BJ Perhaps, Page designers that design pages for w3c compliant should add a notation. /This website was written to World Wide Web Consortium Standards and should show properly on the vast Major of Web browsers on the Market today/. /If not please contact the creator of the browser that does not, and please tell them you will discontinue use of there product until is meets specifications/. Then the users should do what it says. The funny thing about w3c is MS is one of the Signatories of W3C, along with Apple and other major industry players. MS specific goal in doing so, is to find out what the specs are so that they can make them as far as possible the other direction, to make more people dependent upon IE rather than less. I hope you correct the syntax before putting those statements into an actual Web page. ... Consortium specifications ... ... their product ... -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: newest version
David E. Ross wrote: On 2/19/2010 6:02 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: BJ wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I would be perfectly satisfied with a world in which multiple browsers competed for market share but websites were coded to W3C standards. That would be a level playing field and the best browser(s) would win. So would I, but that's not reality. And anyway, how is writing a single version of compliant code not accommodating all browsers? Are some browsers unable to display compliant pages? We all know that IE, produced by the 500 pound gorilla on the block, does not display compliant pages . . . compliantly in many cases. IE will display the page, but if the code is not written in IE standards (which in many cases differs substantially from W3C), it may display that compliant code way out of whack. I don't like that, but that is the reality. Until the market share shifts SUBSTANTIALLY toward FF/SM, developers will be faced with the reality that, even though they write W3C compliant code, it may not be displayed properly via IE. And even then (i.e. if the market share shifts substantially to FF/SM), I'm not so sure MS will surrender to W3C compliance. I'm sure that 500 pound gorilla has something ready to thwart that circumstance when the time comes (if it ever does). BJ Perhaps, Page designers that design pages for w3c compliant should add a notation. /This website was written to World Wide Web Consortium Standards and should show properly on the vast Major of Web browsers on the Market today/. /If not please contact the creator of the browser that does not, and please tell them you will discontinue use of there product until is meets specifications/. Then the users should do what it says. The funny thing about w3c is MS is one of the Signatories of W3C, along with Apple and other major industry players. MS specific goal in doing so, is to find out what the specs are so that they can make them as far as possible the other direction, to make more people dependent upon IE rather than less. I hope you correct the syntax before putting those statements into an actual Web page. ... Consortium specifications ... ... their product ... No. just a suggested Idea. the person doing so would word accordingly? Yes I have a problem on occasion using words that sound alike, but are spelled different. unfortunately the spell checker doesn't catch them. :-) -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Replies Backwards
Phillip Jones wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: And then the recipient, following the same principle, should reply to me in my system (bottom posting), creating an incomprehensible hodge-podge when I top-post for his benefit in reply. He does so because that he assumes that how you want things. So he expect replies at the top for him to read and you expect things at the bottom so you can read. You and him need to settle on one or the other. Even though you hate it both should top post. Its more logical to him. Oh, the customer's always right, even when he's not, eh? -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: remember the password 2.0.? does not work in one profile
On 2/19/2010 1:04 PM, Arnie Goetchius wrote: The remember the password function does not work after installing 2.0.2 and then 2.0.3 for my main profile. I have several other profiles where it works okay. Is there anything in about:config I can look for to set it to True or False to make the remember function work Some Web sites block browsers from remembering passwords. There was a capability using a pair of preference variables to override that block in many -- but not all -- cases. The capability was removed when the Password Manager was rewritten for Firefox. See bug #425145 at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=425145. The sentiment among developers appears inclinde not to fix this. The best workaround that I found is at http://cybernetnews.com/firefox-remember-passwords/. This actually works for sites where even the old capability did not work. The problem is that you must manually tweak the nsLoginManager.js every time you update SeaMonkey. Note that the Activate Autocomplete extension should be avoided. See bug #529091 at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=529091. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Go to Mozdev at http://www.mozdev.org/ for quick access to extensions for Firefox, Thunderbird, SeaMonkey, and other Mozilla-related applications. You can access Mozdev much more quickly than you can Mozilla Add-Ons. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: newest version
Phillip Jones wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 2/19/2010 6:02 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: BJ wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I would be perfectly satisfied with a world in which multiple browsers competed for market share but websites were coded to W3C standards. That would be a level playing field and the best browser(s) would win. So would I, but that's not reality. And anyway, how is writing a single version of compliant code not accommodating all browsers? Are some browsers unable to display compliant pages? We all know that IE, produced by the 500 pound gorilla on the block, does not display compliant pages . . . compliantly in many cases. IE will display the page, but if the code is not written in IE standards (which in many cases differs substantially from W3C), it may display that compliant code way out of whack. I don't like that, but that is the reality. Until the market share shifts SUBSTANTIALLY toward FF/SM, developers will be faced with the reality that, even though they write W3C compliant code, it may not be displayed properly via IE. And even then (i.e. if the market share shifts substantially to FF/SM), I'm not so sure MS will surrender to W3C compliance. I'm sure that 500 pound gorilla has something ready to thwart that circumstance when the time comes (if it ever does). BJ Perhaps, Page designers that design pages for w3c compliant should add a notation. /This website was written to World Wide Web Consortium Standards and should show properly on the vast Major of Web browsers on the Market today/. /If not please contact the creator of the browser that does not, and please tell them you will discontinue use of there product until is meets specifications/. Then the users should do what it says. The funny thing about w3c is MS is one of the Signatories of W3C, along with Apple and other major industry players. MS specific goal in doing so, is to find out what the specs are so that they can make them as far as possible the other direction, to make more people dependent upon IE rather than less. I hope you correct the syntax before putting those statements into an actual Web page. ... Consortium specifications ... ... their product ... No. just a suggested Idea. the person doing so would word accordingly? Yes I have a problem on occasion using words that sound alike, but are spelled different. unfortunately the spell checker doesn't catch them. :-) Note also these, which don't sound alike: the vast majorITY until IT meets specifications I can understand use of there product based on what you said. Obviously, no responsible web designer would roll out a page without proofing it first. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Quote: top or bottom of the page
Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: u...@domain.invalid wrote: Yes, Click Edit then Mail and Newsgroup settings, then composition and addressing, and it be the second or third thing down. Jack Okay, this didn't thread with anything else, and with no quoting of relevant material, I have no idea what you are talking about. More important, I wonder if the OP you are trying to help will be able to find this reply. Lee He referring to choosing Top or bottom posting. the op he replied to asked how to set replies to messages to top post though he didn't word exactly those words. It so obvious. Because I said almost the same exact thing except I went into a little more detail. either the op or a respondent noted he had a paying client tell he he wanted top posted replies, because if interspersed replies were so complex to make out, he just deleted the messages. I believe that was not a request for explanation as it appeared, but an indirect request for compliance/cooperation. In other words, advising user to use Reply to permit threading instead of starting an entirely new (unrelated) message. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bad upgrade from 1.1.18 to 2.03
cmcadams wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: u...@domain.invalid wrote: cmcadams wrote: Last evening I finally uninstalled 1.1.18, and installed 2.03. My Profiles Bookmarks Email and newsgroup accounts Addresses Saved emails didn't make the trip. 2.0.3's wizard said it had imported everything, but no evidence of that. Asking 2.03 to import the missing items after installation was fruitless since I don't use Eudora, Outlook, etc. The browser itself was functional. 1.1.18 is now back in use. The OS is XP SP3. Yes, I have a nonstandard SM installation. Program files are installed to: E:\Mozilla\SMonkey to keep my boot partition smaller, which makes boot partition image backups easier. 2.0.3 was installed to the same location. 1.1.18's config files have always been in the standard place: C:\Documents and Settings\[myname]\Application Data Has anyone dealt with this before, or can point me to a page where someone has? I had issues like that clear back when they came-out with SeaMonkey 2- the best way is not to upgrade until they get all the bugs worked-out, I think there's a settings under preferences, advanced for Seamonkey not to search for a upgrade. Stay tuned to this channel for news of when a good version comes out. Jack I'm afraid you're wrong there. The problem the OP posted was one of a problem profile migration. That is not a flaw in the program itself, but in the migration process. That is not going to improve. Anyone who is waiting for an improved migration tool is going to have a long wait. In fact, the profile migration will probably go away entirely, though that will be a while. The real answer is to migrate the data manually. It may be a pain but once its done its done, and you willbe positioned to move on. Yes, we all hope that there will be many improvements to the suite, but an improved migration tool, probably not. Lee Okay, that worked. Thank you very much. For those who might Google this in the future, I copied the CONTENTS of 1.1.18's *.slt folder (not the folder itself, but from within the folder) to the clipboard, made a backup copy of 2.03's as-installed *.default folder (just in case) and then deleted the contents of that folder. I then Pasted the copied contents of 1.1.18's *.slt into 2.03's new *.default folder. That folder, containing 2.03's config files, is in the new 2.03-created Seamonkey folder visible from: C:\Documents and Settings\[myname]\Application Data\Mozilla Et voila. Can someone now explain to me what the heck the red underlines under certain words are about, when you're typing a message in 2.03? Craig Its your spellchecker, flagging a misspelling. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Quote: top or bottom of the page
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: u...@domain.invalid wrote: /snip/ I believe that was not a request for explanation as it appeared, but an indirect request for compliance/cooperation. In other words, advising user to use Reply to permit threading instead of starting an entirely new (unrelated) message. You are quite correct Paul. Perhaps sometimes I am too diplomatic.;) Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bad upgrade from 1.1.18 to 2.03
Leonidas Jones wrote: cmcadams wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: u...@domain.invalid wrote: cmcadams wrote: Last evening I finally uninstalled 1.1.18, and installed 2.03. My Profiles Bookmarks Email and newsgroup accounts Addresses Saved emails didn't make the trip. 2.0.3's wizard said it had imported everything, but no evidence of that. Asking 2.03 to import the missing items after installation was fruitless since I don't use Eudora, Outlook, etc. The browser itself was functional. 1.1.18 is now back in use. The OS is XP SP3. Yes, I have a nonstandard SM installation. Program files are installed to: E:\Mozilla\SMonkey to keep my boot partition smaller, which makes boot partition image backups easier. 2.0.3 was installed to the same location. 1.1.18's config files have always been in the standard place: C:\Documents and Settings\[myname]\Application Data Has anyone dealt with this before, or can point me to a page where someone has? I had issues like that clear back when they came-out with SeaMonkey 2- the best way is not to upgrade until they get all the bugs worked-out, I think there's a settings under preferences, advanced for Seamonkey not to search for a upgrade. Stay tuned to this channel for news of when a good version comes out. Jack I'm afraid you're wrong there. The problem the OP posted was one of a problem profile migration. That is not a flaw in the program itself, but in the migration process. That is not going to improve. Anyone who is waiting for an improved migration tool is going to have a long wait. In fact, the profile migration will probably go away entirely, though that will be a while. The real answer is to migrate the data manually. It may be a pain but once its done its done, and you willbe positioned to move on. Yes, we all hope that there will be many improvements to the suite, but an improved migration tool, probably not. Lee Okay, that worked. Thank you very much. For those who might Google this in the future, I copied the CONTENTS of 1.1.18's *.slt folder (not the folder itself, but from within the folder) to the clipboard, made a backup copy of 2.03's as-installed *.default folder (just in case) and then deleted the contents of that folder. I then Pasted the copied contents of 1.1.18's *.slt into 2.03's new *.default folder. That folder, containing 2.03's config files, is in the new 2.03-created Seamonkey folder visible from: C:\Documents and Settings\[myname]\Application Data\Mozilla Et voila. Can someone now explain to me what the heck the red underlines under certain words are about, when you're typing a message in 2.03? Craig Its your spellchecker, flagging a misspelling. Ah. Not misspellings, just not in the dictionary. I had it turned off in 1.1.18. Craig ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: newest version
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 2/19/2010 6:02 AM, Phillip Jones wrote: BJ wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I would be perfectly satisfied with a world in which multiple browsers competed for market share but websites were coded to W3C standards. That would be a level playing field and the best browser(s) would win. So would I, but that's not reality. And anyway, how is writing a single version of compliant code not accommodating all browsers? Are some browsers unable to display compliant pages? We all know that IE, produced by the 500 pound gorilla on the block, does not display compliant pages . . . compliantly in many cases. IE will display the page, but if the code is not written in IE standards (which in many cases differs substantially from W3C), it may display that compliant code way out of whack. I don't like that, but that is the reality. Until the market share shifts SUBSTANTIALLY toward FF/SM, developers will be faced with the reality that, even though they write W3C compliant code, it may not be displayed properly via IE. And even then (i.e. if the market share shifts substantially to FF/SM), I'm not so sure MS will surrender to W3C compliance. I'm sure that 500 pound gorilla has something ready to thwart that circumstance when the time comes (if it ever does). BJ Perhaps, Page designers that design pages for w3c compliant should add a notation. /This website was written to World Wide Web Consortium Standards and should show properly on the vast Majority of Web browsers on the Market today/. /If not please contact the creator of the browser that does not, and please tell them you will discontinue use of there product until it meets specifications/. Then the users should do what it says. The funny thing about w3c is MS is one of the Signatories of W3C, along with Apple and other major industry players. MS specific goal in doing so, is to find out what the specs are so that they can make them as far as possible the other direction, to make more people dependent upon IE rather than less. I hope you correct the syntax before putting those statements into an actual Web page. ... Consortium specifications ... ... their product ... No. just a suggested Idea. the person doing so would word accordingly? Yes I have a problem on occasion using words that sound alike, but are spelled different. unfortunately the spell checker doesn't catch them. :-) Note also these, which don't sound alike: the vast majorITY until IT meets specifications I can understand use of there product based on what you said. Obviously, no responsible web designer would roll out a page without proofing it first. I agree. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bad upgrade from 1.1.18 to 2.03
cmcadams wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: u...@domain.invalid wrote: cmcadams wrote: Last evening I finally uninstalled 1.1.18, and installed 2.03. My Profiles Bookmarks Email and newsgroup accounts Addresses Saved emails didn't make the trip. 2.0.3's wizard said it had imported everything, but no evidence of that. Asking 2.03 to import the missing items after installation was fruitless since I don't use Eudora, Outlook, etc. The browser itself was functional. 1.1.18 is now back in use. The OS is XP SP3. Yes, I have a nonstandard SM installation. Program files are installed to: E:\Mozilla\SMonkey to keep my boot partition smaller, which makes boot partition image backups easier. 2.0.3 was installed to the same location. 1.1.18's config files have always been in the standard place: C:\Documents and Settings\[myname]\Application Data Has anyone dealt with this before, or can point me to a page where someone has? I had issues like that clear back when they came-out with SeaMonkey 2- the best way is not to upgrade until they get all the bugs worked-out, I think there's a settings under preferences, advanced for Seamonkey not to search for a upgrade. Stay tuned to this channel for news of when a good version comes out. Jack I'm afraid you're wrong there. The problem the OP posted was one of a problem profile migration. That is not a flaw in the program itself, but in the migration process. That is not going to improve. Anyone who is waiting for an improved migration tool is going to have a long wait. In fact, the profile migration will probably go away entirely, though that will be a while. The real answer is to migrate the data manually. It may be a pain but once its done its done, and you willbe positioned to move on. Yes, we all hope that there will be many improvements to the suite, but an improved migration tool, probably not. Lee Okay, that worked. Thank you very much. For those who might Google this in the future, I copied the CONTENTS of 1.1.18's *.slt folder (not the folder itself, but from within the folder) to the clipboard, made a backup copy of 2.03's as-installed *.default folder (just in case) and then deleted the contents of that folder. I then Pasted the copied contents of 1.1.18's *.slt into 2.03's new *.default folder. That folder, containing 2.03's config files, is in the new 2.03-created Seamonkey folder visible from: C:\Documents and Settings\[myname]\Application Data\Mozilla Et voila. Can someone now explain to me what the heck the red underlines under certain words are about, when you're typing a message in 2.03? Craig That's the spellchecker indicating the words are misspelled,or its not familiar with the words, in which case you have it to learn the word. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Email Replies Backwards
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Phillip Jones wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: And then the recipient, following the same principle, should reply to me in my system (bottom posting), creating an incomprehensible hodge-podge when I top-post for his benefit in reply. He does so because that he assumes that how you want things. So he expect replies at the top for him to read and you expect things at the bottom so you can read. You and him need to settle on one or the other. Even though you hate it both should top post. Its more logical to him. Oh, the customer's always right, even when he's not, eh? Right! The customer is always right whether or not he/she really is if you want to get paid. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T.If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net http://www.vpea.org mailto:pjon...@kimbanet.com ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Spanish Version with twice Reiniciar
On Feb 17, 12:09 am, Lou u...@domain.invalid wrote: Erwin Castellanos wrote: I recently installed SM 2.0.2 in spanish and works fine, but when I click the white X to exit SM pop up a dialog box whit two buttons saying Reiniciar %S and the other one Reiniciar. I noticed that this error comes from the version 2., may be this will appear corrected in then next update. http://www.freeimagehosting.net/image.php?abf629b745.jpg I think this might be an error in translation. The English version has 3 options if you close the browser with multiple tabs. Quit, Save and Quit, and Cancel. I'm assuming that Reiniciar %S saves your tabs, while Reiniciar quits without saving the tabs. Lou Thanks Lou, I know that, but I installed SM in Spanish to a friend and he felt so confused with this 3 buttons, I will try the next update to see if the buttons were corrected. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Help with Lightning for Seamonkey 2.0
Bill Davidsen wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Cecil Bankston wrote: Jeffrey Needle wrote: Is there a newsgroup for Lightning support? Or is there some other way for me to ask some questions? I'm having some problems. Thanks. Lightning 1.0b2pre installed with no problems and seems to be working well in SM 2.0.2. Get the latest (Windows) nightly build from this URL: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/calendar/lightning/nightly/latest-comm-1.9.1/win32-xpi/ I think I recall that the latest release version would not install in SM 2.x. The latest Linux version(s) sure don't. I tried the latest-comm* versions, and the plain latest, and all are rejected as not compatible. Looks like we no longer have the ability to disable that checking, I tried a new profile and a theme I've used before, with the Checkcompatability set false, and the theme, which installed on 2.0.2, no longer installs. Sure wish there was a way to exit nanny mode and really disable compatibility checking. If the process blows up, that's my fault, if SM won't let me try that a bug in my book. Anyway, can't even try Lightning for Linux. Oh, before someone asks, YES, I do get the yellow warning tag saying I have disabled compatibility. Not enough, obviously... Well I was wrong in some way, after a removal of the xpi and a fresh install, I get a calendar function more or less, although I can't enter any events on the calendar. Something odd about the compatibility check, maybe rebooting SM wasn't enough and I had to make the change before attempting the install. Oh, the test theme worked after that, too. Something odd, but not as odd as it appeared at first. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bad upgrade from 1.1.18 to 2.03
cmcadams wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: cmcadams wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: u...@domain.invalid wrote: cmcadams wrote: Last evening I finally uninstalled 1.1.18, and installed 2.03. My Profiles Bookmarks Email and newsgroup accounts Addresses Saved emails didn't make the trip. 2.0.3's wizard said it had imported everything, but no evidence of that. Asking 2.03 to import the missing items after installation was fruitless since I don't use Eudora, Outlook, etc. The browser itself was functional. 1.1.18 is now back in use. The OS is XP SP3. Yes, I have a nonstandard SM installation. Program files are installed to: E:\Mozilla\SMonkey to keep my boot partition smaller, which makes boot partition image backups easier. 2.0.3 was installed to the same location. 1.1.18's config files have always been in the standard place: C:\Documents and Settings\[myname]\Application Data Has anyone dealt with this before, or can point me to a page where someone has? I had issues like that clear back when they came-out with SeaMonkey 2- the best way is not to upgrade until they get all the bugs worked-out, I think there's a settings under preferences, advanced for Seamonkey not to search for a upgrade. Stay tuned to this channel for news of when a good version comes out. Jack I'm afraid you're wrong there. The problem the OP posted was one of a problem profile migration. That is not a flaw in the program itself, but in the migration process. That is not going to improve. Anyone who is waiting for an improved migration tool is going to have a long wait. In fact, the profile migration will probably go away entirely, though that will be a while. The real answer is to migrate the data manually. It may be a pain but once its done its done, and you willbe positioned to move on. Yes, we all hope that there will be many improvements to the suite, but an improved migration tool, probably not. Lee Okay, that worked. Thank you very much. For those who might Google this in the future, I copied the CONTENTS of 1.1.18's *.slt folder (not the folder itself, but from within the folder) to the clipboard, made a backup copy of 2.03's as-installed *.default folder (just in case) and then deleted the contents of that folder. I then Pasted the copied contents of 1.1.18's *.slt into 2.03's new *.default folder. That folder, containing 2.03's config files, is in the new 2.03-created Seamonkey folder visible from: C:\Documents and Settings\[myname]\Application Data\Mozilla Et voila. Can someone now explain to me what the heck the red underlines under certain words are about, when you're typing a message in 2.03? Craig Its your spellchecker, flagging a misspelling. Ah. Not misspellings, just not in the dictionary. I had it turned off in 1.1.18. Craig You can always right click and add them to the dictionary. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Gmail interface for SM 2
BJ wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Jeffrey Needle wrote: Philip Chee wrote: On Mon, 15 Feb 2010 21:04:34 -0500, Jeffrey Needle wrote: I see there's an absolutely beautiful add-on for Firefox that makes gmail so much nicer and easier to use. Is there something like this for Seamonkey? Using SM2 on a WinXP system. There are several extensions including BetterGmail and GTDInbox. Could you be more specific? Phil Unfortunately, no. I have to see what the interfaces do to know if it's good for me. I just think Gmail's interface is clunky and hard to use. I'll try both of the ones you mention and see how they work. I'll report back when I have more specific information. I don't understand what you mean by Gmail's interface being clunky. If you don't like the interface to IMAP mailboxes in mail/news, that's your choice, but why do you find it any clunkier than any other? While the OP may answer that anyway, it is a question of aesthetics, and thus very very subjective (I don't understand it either, but then I don't understand what's so special, and appealing to some, about modern art . . . hell, I wouldn't even know what modern art would be even if I was looking right at it). You can't really crawl into someone's subjective reasoning. So, one person's clunky Gmail interface can be another's beautiful and efficient Gmail interface (I wouldn't go so far myself to describe it as beautiful, but it seems fine to me). Will be interested to see the OP's answer. But the Gmail interface is the same as all other IMAP mail servers, so why is it singles out. When you configure a new account and it's Gmail using IMPA (don't know if they do POP3 any more), it looks like Verizon, or ATT, or any other server. I can't see why Gmail is singled out. -- Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bad upgrade from 1.1.18 to 2.03
cmcadams wrote: Yes, I have a nonstandard SM installation. Program files are installed to: E:\Mozilla\SMonkey to keep my boot partition smaller, which makes boot partition image backups easier. 2.0.3 was installed to the same location. You should not install SM2 into the same directory used for SM1. Graham. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: newest version
On Fri, 19 Feb 2010 20:58:21 +, Neil Hughes wrote: Arne wrote: Have you ever tried all options on Google Maps? The Satelite and Terrain (if that is the word in English)! I take Google any time over that *terrible* map from Bing. A mapping system is only as good as it is accurate and up-to-date. Google's aerial maps for my part of the UK are at least 3 years old - I can see my next door neighbour's old car and the housing estate a few miles away is missing half it's buildings. Bing's aerial maps seem to be only months old. Bing is only months old. Will their aerial maps still be only months old three years from now? Lots of people in the SEO forums complain that it takes up to several months before Bing notices a new high traffic website they put up whereas Google finds new sites in a matter of hours. This weakness is officially acknowledged by Microsoft so they've focused their crawlers on popular topics such as celebrities and news events. The net effect is that Bing appears faster and more up to date for popluar searches but since they are starving resources for less common search terms, searches in your specialist area of interest (especially if obscure, esoteric, or arcane) will be much worse than Google. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. [ ]Logic means arriving at wrong conclusions with assurance. * TagZilla 0.066.6 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: newest version
JeffM wrote: IE is a complete botch. BJ wrote: that doesn't stop a lot of noobs from using it 8-( If people were charged for each infection they spread, the n00bs would fall out of love with IE really fast. The popularity of M$ would look like it fell off a cliff. I think the EU has the best approach. Well, it's *an* approach--one really slow in coming. M$ can't produce technology that's worth a damn but they really know how to play the political/legal game. http://google.com/search?q=%22+March.1%22+%22+ballot.screen%22+%22+Internet.Explorer Google has had a better approach out for several months. It allows IE users who are too pitiful to learn a new interface to keep the one they're used to. Under the old skin, it rips out M$'s crappy rendering engine and replaces it with WebKit: http://google.com/search?q=%22+Google.Chrome.Frame%22+%22+Internet.Explorer It works for *any* version of Internet Exploder. I think we're in basic agreement, but you apparently are a strong M$ basher Does it seem that way? 8-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: newest version
Philip Chee wrote: Lots of people in the SEO forums complain that it takes up to several months before Bing notices a new high traffic website they put up The day Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is probably the day they start making vacuum cleaners. --Ernst Jan Plugge whereas Google finds new sites in a matter of hours. In the last few weeks I have noticed a step function in the discover time for new pages. I am VERY impressed. It also used to take 24 hours after discovery for Google to provide a cache of the page; now caches appear to be immediate --unless it's 24 hours from the publishing time of the page. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Bad upgrade from 1.1.18 to 2.03
Leonidas Jones wrote: cmcadams wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: cmcadams wrote: Leonidas Jones wrote: u...@domain.invalid wrote: cmcadams wrote: Last evening I finally uninstalled 1.1.18, and installed 2.03. My Profiles Bookmarks Email and newsgroup accounts Addresses Saved emails didn't make the trip. 2.0.3's wizard said it had imported everything, but no evidence of that. Asking 2.03 to import the missing items after installation was fruitless since I don't use Eudora, Outlook, etc. The browser itself was functional. 1.1.18 is now back in use. The OS is XP SP3. Yes, I have a nonstandard SM installation. Program files are installed to: E:\Mozilla\SMonkey to keep my boot partition smaller, which makes boot partition image backups easier. 2.0.3 was installed to the same location. 1.1.18's config files have always been in the standard place: C:\Documents and Settings\[myname]\Application Data Has anyone dealt with this before, or can point me to a page where someone has? I had issues like that clear back when they came-out with SeaMonkey 2- the best way is not to upgrade until they get all the bugs worked-out, I think there's a settings under preferences, advanced for Seamonkey not to search for a upgrade. Stay tuned to this channel for news of when a good version comes out. Jack I'm afraid you're wrong there. The problem the OP posted was one of a problem profile migration. That is not a flaw in the program itself, but in the migration process. That is not going to improve. Anyone who is waiting for an improved migration tool is going to have a long wait. In fact, the profile migration will probably go away entirely, though that will be a while. The real answer is to migrate the data manually. It may be a pain but once its done its done, and you willbe positioned to move on. Yes, we all hope that there will be many improvements to the suite, but an improved migration tool, probably not. Lee Okay, that worked. Thank you very much. For those who might Google this in the future, I copied the CONTENTS of 1.1.18's *.slt folder (not the folder itself, but from within the folder) to the clipboard, made a backup copy of 2.03's as-installed *.default folder (just in case) and then deleted the contents of that folder. I then Pasted the copied contents of 1.1.18's *.slt into 2.03's new *.default folder. That folder, containing 2.03's config files, is in the new 2.03-created Seamonkey folder visible from: C:\Documents and Settings\[myname]\Application Data\Mozilla Et voila. Can someone now explain to me what the heck the red underlines under certain words are about, when you're typing a message in 2.03? Craig Its your spellchecker, flagging a misspelling. Ah. Not misspellings, just not in the dictionary. I had it turned off in 1.1.18. Craig You can always right click and add them to the dictionary. Lee I had it turned off, before. Forgot it was there and didn't recognize it when it showed up again. Craig ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Gmail interface for SM 2
Bill Davidsen wrote: BJ wrote: Bill Davidsen wrote: Jeffrey Needle wrote: Philip Chee wrote: /snip/ But the Gmail interface is the same as all other IMAP mail servers, so why is it singles out. When you configure a new account and it's Gmail using IMPA (don't know if they do POP3 any more), it looks like Verizon, or ATT, or any other server. I can't see why Gmail is singled out. GMail does indeed offer both POP3 and IMAP for use in mail clients. I think that is the misunderstanding. The webmail interface for GMail is charitably described as clunky. I would describe it as unusable. The only reason I can use GMail is to use it in SeaMonkey Mail/News as an IMAP account. There it behaves just like any other IMAP account. The POP version also behaves like any other POP account. I think we are comaring the Web interface with the Mail client interface. Lee ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
