Windows 7

2010-04-29 Thread kenru
Sorry if this repeats previous info; but this is the first time I've 
used this new Windows 7 computer (I've always used XP before) and I want 
to transfer my bookmarks and address book and tool bar stuff intact from 
my previous SM 2.0.4 on my XP laptop to this new Windows 7 computer.


But I can't figure out where to put the files?  Is it even possible to 
use the same files as before?


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Re: Newsreader and blank messages

2010-04-29 Thread Alex Strickland

Alex Strickland wrote:

chicagofan wrote:


Since Daniel is in Australia I think, maybe actions related to that
undersea cable repair are involved. I don't know of anyone in the U.S.
experiencing this... at least yet.


It crossed my mind, but they route through Asia I think. Apparently the
cable will be done by tonight, I'm sure I can live without newsgroups
for a day if that is it.


Newsgroup access seems entirely normal again.


It does seem strange, however, that SeaMonkey (or Thunderbird) doesn't
report any form of error.


I'll let that comment stand, perhaps someone will look into it one day.

Thanks and regards
Alex
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Re: Newsreader and blank messages

2010-04-29 Thread dominique

Alex Strickland wrote, On 4/29/2010 10:12 AM:
.../...


I'll let that comment stand, perhaps someone will look into it one day.

Thanks and regards
Alex


I think this could be this bug here:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=540288

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Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19

2010-04-29 Thread Daniel

JohnW-Mpls wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:18:39 +0300, John Douenotw...@yahoo.com
wrote:


On 4/28/2010 1:34 PM, Daniel wrote:

JohnW-Mpls wrote:

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:48:43 -0500, JohnW-Mplsjohn...@comcast.net
wrote:


On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:59:08 +0200, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at
wrote:


JohnW-Mpls schrieb:

Well, it may be a Cookie problem in SM2. All I know is that I need to
fiddle around to get full access to the WSJ page using SM2.
Conversely, I get immediate full access using SM1, FireFox, IE, Opera,
and Safari.

That suggests to me that SM2 has a problem.


We have mostly the same infrastructure in SM2 as in Firefox 3.5, so I
wonder if there's a problem of your Cookie settings in SM2 (either
globally or wrt this site).

Could you check what item Tools  Cookie Manager has checked when you
navigate to this site in SM2, and if it has the default settings
checked, what Privacy  Security  Cookies has set in your preferences?

Robert Kaiser


I'll save this for when I try SM2 again - I took it off when I
reinstalled SM1.

Could I now have both installed at a the same time? Last fall, this
was not true - at least we were told to remove SM1 before installing
SM2.


+ + + + + + +

Well, There ya go!

I just installed SM2.04 and all the ID/Password stuff works as easy as
it did in SM1.19. I have no idea why - I did copy (via Win Explorer)
all the profile files under SM1 to SM2 but made no option changes - it
just all works.

Whoopee [grin]



John, If you are going to be using SM1 sometimes and SM 2 sometimes,
this will mean that you will have your mail split in two, unless you
have one or the other set up to actually leave the mail on your server,
so it *ALL* gets downloaded into one profile or the other.

Go to Edit-Mail  Newsgroup Account Settings and select Server
settings on your email account, and in the server settings section,
tick Leave Message on Server and set a time period.

HTH

Daniel


There is a simple way to avoid having mail split in two. In Server
Settings, make sure the local directory setting is identical in both
programs.



I doubt that wourld work - Server Settings does not offer a way to
choose a different Profle/location.  Dan's idea of leaving one profile
set to leave messages on the server seems better.

However, once I got SM2 working nice, I deleted SM1- I'm of the old
school where space is precious.   [grin]



John, of course I would say my idea is better but John Doue's idea of 
sharing the one set of profile files is not as crazy as it may seem. As 
long as you only have one version of SM using the profile at any one 
time, which, I think, is the normal way for SM to operate, I think it 
should work. There is a switch in SM that, normally, stops you using two 
Versions of SM at the one time, so having two versions use the one 
profile at different times seems possible.


Worth a try, in any case.

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Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19

2010-04-29 Thread John Doue

On 4/29/2010 12:57 PM, Daniel wrote:

JohnW-Mpls wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:18:39 +0300, John Douenotw...@yahoo.com
wrote:


On 4/28/2010 1:34 PM, Daniel wrote:

JohnW-Mpls wrote:

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:48:43 -0500, JohnW-Mplsjohn...@comcast.net
wrote:


On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:59:08 +0200, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at
wrote:


JohnW-Mpls schrieb:

Well, it may be a Cookie problem in SM2. All I know is that I
need to
fiddle around to get full access to the WSJ page using SM2.
Conversely, I get immediate full access using SM1, FireFox, IE,
Opera,
and Safari.

That suggests to me that SM2 has a problem.


We have mostly the same infrastructure in SM2 as in Firefox 3.5,
so I
wonder if there's a problem of your Cookie settings in SM2 (either
globally or wrt this site).

Could you check what item Tools Cookie Manager has checked when you
navigate to this site in SM2, and if it has the default settings
checked, what Privacy Security Cookies has set in your
preferences?

Robert Kaiser


I'll save this for when I try SM2 again - I took it off when I
reinstalled SM1.

Could I now have both installed at a the same time? Last fall, this
was not true - at least we were told to remove SM1 before installing
SM2.


+ + + + + + +

Well, There ya go!

I just installed SM2.04 and all the ID/Password stuff works as easy as
it did in SM1.19. I have no idea why - I did copy (via Win Explorer)
all the profile files under SM1 to SM2 but made no option changes - it
just all works.

Whoopee [grin]



John, If you are going to be using SM1 sometimes and SM 2 sometimes,
this will mean that you will have your mail split in two, unless you
have one or the other set up to actually leave the mail on your server,
so it *ALL* gets downloaded into one profile or the other.

Go to Edit-Mail Newsgroup Account Settings and select Server
settings on your email account, and in the server settings section,
tick Leave Message on Server and set a time period.

HTH

Daniel


There is a simple way to avoid having mail split in two. In Server
Settings, make sure the local directory setting is identical in both
programs.



I doubt that wourld work - Server Settings does not offer a way to
choose a different Profle/location. Dan's idea of leaving one profile
set to leave messages on the server seems better.

However, once I got SM2 working nice, I deleted SM1- I'm of the old
school where space is precious. [grin]



John, of course I would say my idea is better but John Doue's idea of
sharing the one set of profile files is not as crazy as it may seem. As
long as you only have one version of SM using the profile at any one
time, which, I think, is the normal way for SM to operate, I think it
should work. There is a switch in SM that, normally, stops you using two
Versions of SM at the one time, so having two versions use the one
profile at different times seems possible.

Worth a try, in any case.

Daniel


No, my idea is not crazy at all, it is easy to implement and I have used 
this solution for as long as I can remember.


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Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19

2010-04-29 Thread Daniel

Barbara Norvell wrote:

JohnW-Mpls wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:18:39 +0300, John Douenotw...@yahoo.com
wrote:


On 4/28/2010 1:34 PM, Daniel wrote:

JohnW-Mpls wrote:

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:48:43 -0500, JohnW-Mplsjohn...@comcast.net
wrote:


On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:59:08 +0200, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at
wrote:


JohnW-Mpls schrieb:

Well, it may be a Cookie problem in SM2. All I know is that I
need to
fiddle around to get full access to the WSJ page using SM2.
Conversely, I get immediate full access using SM1, FireFox, IE,
Opera,
and Safari.

That suggests to me that SM2 has a problem.


We have mostly the same infrastructure in SM2 as in Firefox 3.5,
so I
wonder if there's a problem of your Cookie settings in SM2 (either
globally or wrt this site).

Could you check what item Tools Cookie Manager has checked when you
navigate to this site in SM2, and if it has the default settings
checked, what Privacy Security Cookies has set in your
preferences?

Robert Kaiser


I'll save this for when I try SM2 again - I took it off when I
reinstalled SM1.

Could I now have both installed at a the same time? Last fall, this
was not true - at least we were told to remove SM1 before installing
SM2.


+ + + + + + +

Well, There ya go!

I just installed SM2.04 and all the ID/Password stuff works as easy as
it did in SM1.19. I have no idea why - I did copy (via Win Explorer)
all the profile files under SM1 to SM2 but made no option changes - it
just all works.

Whoopee [grin]



John, If you are going to be using SM1 sometimes and SM 2 sometimes,
this will mean that you will have your mail split in two, unless you
have one or the other set up to actually leave the mail on your server,
so it *ALL* gets downloaded into one profile or the other.

Go to Edit-Mail Newsgroup Account Settings and select Server
settings on your email account, and in the server settings section,
tick Leave Message on Server and set a time period.

HTH

Daniel


There is a simple way to avoid having mail split in two. In Server
Settings, make sure the local directory setting is identical in both
programs.



I doubt that wourld work - Server Settings does not offer a way to
choose a different Profle/location. Dan's idea of leaving one profile
set to leave messages on the server seems better.

However, once I got SM2 working nice, I deleted SM1- I'm of the old
school where space is precious. [grin]


How can I go back to 1.19. I can't get my email anymore in SM2. I have a
thread going, but there hasn't been a solution.


Barbara, if you were using Windows I'd have a go at giving you some 
assistance, but seems as you're using a Mac that's out of my knowledge.


Maybe Phillip Jones, Rufus or one of the other Mac users will drop by!!

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Re: Newsreader and blank messages

2010-04-29 Thread Daniel

Alex Strickland wrote:

Daniel wrote:

Alex Strickland wrote:

Hi

I'm using version 2.0.4.

When I click on a newsgroup the number of new posts is retrieved, they
show the subject, dates, number of lines etc. When I click on a message,
it briefly shows Connecting to xxx, Connected to xxx and Loading
Message... and then a blank message is displayed.

I have tried flagging the message and the retrieving flagged messages,
same deal.

I deleted all the .msf files, with no change.

I then deleted *all* the files and directories under:

C:\Users\Alex\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey\Profiles\k9xxylit.default\News




and set up new accounts and resubscribed, with no change. I am trying
with three different news servers, so I can't blame the server.

This is not a new install or anything, and seemed fine last week. I have
had this problem very intermittently before but generally simply
clicking on the message again got it back, but now, nothing.

*Sometimes* I try Print Preview and the message detail appears in the
print preview!

I am not set up for offline reading.

Any ideas (besides installing Thunderbird)?

Regards and thanks
Alex


Alex, it's not just you. Me, too! I've tried Reply but nothing shows
up in the reply except the Bozzo said


Yes, I hadn't tried that but I get the same response when I do.

It is as if there is no code that says NNTP body retrieval failed :
alert user.

Aplogies, I deliberately left the top post for the newsgroup, although
clearly I won't be looking at the post!

Regards
Alex


Just as well you did post to the group, because my email address is 
mugged, so I haven't got your email yet!!


And don't worry about it now, better to be dealing with this problem on 
the news group.


Daniel
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Re: Newsreader and blank messages

2010-04-29 Thread Daniel

dominique wrote:

Alex Strickland wrote, On 4/29/2010 10:12 AM:
.../...


I'll let that comment stand, perhaps someone will look into it one day.

Thanks and regards
Alex


I think this could be this bug here:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=540288

Dom


Spot on, Dominique, I've just added myself to the bug.

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Re: Newsreader and blank messages

2010-04-29 Thread Daniel

Errol Smith wrote:

I have seen this a couple of times. I found that if I (completely!)
closed Seamonkey  opened it again, the message bodies would be there
now. So I think this IS a Seamonkey issue, but it hasn't happened often
enough for me to be sure.
Try that  see if it works for you


Elsewhere in this thread, Dominique has posted a Bugzilla bug number, 
and reading that shows that Thunderbird is also affected. They have 
noted that if you close which ever program you're using, and then 
re-open it, you are able to see the message.


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Re: Windows 7

2010-04-29 Thread Daniel

ke...@kenru.net wrote:

Sorry if this repeats previous info; but this is the first time I've
used this new Windows 7 computer (I've always used XP before) and I want
to transfer my bookmarks and address book and tool bar stuff intact from
my previous SM 2.0.4 on my XP laptop to this new Windows 7 computer.

But I can't figure out where to put the files? Is it even possible to
use the same files as before?



Kenru, in short, yes, you can use a lot of the same files.

Your inbound mail is in a file called inbox, don't worry about copying 
inbox.msf, it's just an index file and is remade when you need it.


Your outbound mail is in sent. Ant drafts are in drafts and any 
templates are in templates. Same with these .msf files.


Your email addresses are in abook.mab and your web addresses are in 
bookmarks.html


Any passwords are in key3.db, cert8.db and ., I think.

Your personal dictionary words are in persdict.da.

Your Message filters, if you use them, are in msgFilterRules.dat

That's most of the files you need to copy from your XP to your Windows 7 
computer.


So that you don't wipe out the mail that you already have on your new 
computer, rename your old inbox, sent, draft and template files to 
oldinbox, etc, so you don't write over the new ones.


HTH

Daniel
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Re: Newsreader and blank messages

2010-04-29 Thread Alex Strickland

Daniel wrote:


I think this could be this bug here:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=540288

Dom


Spot on, Dominique, I've just added myself to the bug.


I looked for a bug report before I originally posted, but couldn't find it :( 
Good catch, and thank you dominique.


Do you think maybe it is really three bugs?

1. The reproducible behaviour the original bug reporter showed.

2. The not so reproducible behaviour when the connectivity is just so bad that 
NNTP doesn't work, but SM/TB does not tell the user.


3. The failure to repopulate when the cache is empty after something (1. or 2.) 
has gone wrong?


Regards
Alex

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Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19

2010-04-29 Thread Daniel

John Doue wrote:

On 4/29/2010 12:57 PM, Daniel wrote:

JohnW-Mpls wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:18:39 +0300, John Douenotw...@yahoo.com
wrote:


On 4/28/2010 1:34 PM, Daniel wrote:

JohnW-Mpls wrote:

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:48:43 -0500, JohnW-Mplsjohn...@comcast.net
wrote:


On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:59:08 +0200, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at
wrote:


JohnW-Mpls schrieb:

Well, it may be a Cookie problem in SM2. All I know is that I
need to
fiddle around to get full access to the WSJ page using SM2.
Conversely, I get immediate full access using SM1, FireFox, IE,
Opera,
and Safari.

That suggests to me that SM2 has a problem.


We have mostly the same infrastructure in SM2 as in Firefox 3.5,
so I
wonder if there's a problem of your Cookie settings in SM2 (either
globally or wrt this site).

Could you check what item Tools Cookie Manager has checked when
you
navigate to this site in SM2, and if it has the default settings
checked, what Privacy Security Cookies has set in your
preferences?

Robert Kaiser


I'll save this for when I try SM2 again - I took it off when I
reinstalled SM1.

Could I now have both installed at a the same time? Last fall, this
was not true - at least we were told to remove SM1 before installing
SM2.


+ + + + + + +

Well, There ya go!

I just installed SM2.04 and all the ID/Password stuff works as
easy as
it did in SM1.19. I have no idea why - I did copy (via Win Explorer)
all the profile files under SM1 to SM2 but made no option changes
- it
just all works.

Whoopee [grin]



John, If you are going to be using SM1 sometimes and SM 2 sometimes,
this will mean that you will have your mail split in two, unless you
have one or the other set up to actually leave the mail on your
server,
so it *ALL* gets downloaded into one profile or the other.

Go to Edit-Mail Newsgroup Account Settings and select Server
settings on your email account, and in the server settings section,
tick Leave Message on Server and set a time period.

HTH

Daniel


There is a simple way to avoid having mail split in two. In Server
Settings, make sure the local directory setting is identical in both
programs.



I doubt that wourld work - Server Settings does not offer a way to
choose a different Profle/location. Dan's idea of leaving one profile
set to leave messages on the server seems better.

However, once I got SM2 working nice, I deleted SM1- I'm of the old
school where space is precious. [grin]



John, of course I would say my idea is better but John Doue's idea of
sharing the one set of profile files is not as crazy as it may seem. As
long as you only have one version of SM using the profile at any one
time, which, I think, is the normal way for SM to operate, I think it
should work. There is a switch in SM that, normally, stops you using two
Versions of SM at the one time, so having two versions use the one
profile at different times seems possible.

Worth a try, in any case.

Daniel


No, my idea is not crazy at all, it is easy to implement and I have used
this solution for as long as I can remember.



Didn't I type is not as crazy as it may seem??

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Re: Newsreader and blank messages

2010-04-29 Thread Daniel

Alex Strickland wrote:

Daniel wrote:


I think this could be this bug here:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=540288

Dom


Spot on, Dominique, I've just added myself to the bug.


I looked for a bug report before I originally posted, but couldn't find
it :( Good catch, and thank you dominique.

Do you think maybe it is really three bugs?

1. The reproducible behaviour the original bug reporter showed.

2. The not so reproducible behaviour when the connectivity is just so
bad that NNTP doesn't work, but SM/TB does not tell the user.

3. The failure to repopulate when the cache is empty after something (1.
or 2.) has gone wrong?

Regards
Alex



Strikes me, something tricks SM/TB into thinking it has received the 
message, but in fact it has received a blank message, so it's not a 
connectivity thing (2) and if it (SM/TB) believes it has received a 
valid message, why should it try to repopulate (3)??


Your number 1's the problem.

IMHO, of course.

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Why is v2.x slower than v1.x?

2010-04-29 Thread John
Numerous posters have noted that after upgrading from v1.x to v2.x the 
program is noticeably slower to perform various operations. Is there an 
identified cause for this? Is any effort being made to correct it? Thanks!


John
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A: Post a message in any newsgroup using a real email address.

Please reply in this newsgroup. Thank you.
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Re: Windows 7

2010-04-29 Thread Robert Kaiser

ke...@kenru.net schrieb:

Sorry if this repeats previous info; but this is the first time I've
used this new Windows 7 computer (I've always used XP before) and I want
to transfer my bookmarks and address book and tool bar stuff intact from
my previous SM 2.0.4 on my XP laptop to this new Windows 7 computer.

But I can't figure out where to put the files? Is it even possible to
use the same files as before?


Just copy the whole profile directory, and things should work fine:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/doc/2.0/profiles

Robert Kaiser
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Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19

2010-04-29 Thread Robert Kaiser

JohnW-Mpls schrieb:

I just installed SM2.04 and all the ID/Password stuff works as easy as
it did in SM1.19.


Yay!

Feels good to know that 2.x does work out well for you after all :)

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Re: Windows 7

2010-04-29 Thread Ant

On 4/30/2010 12:58 AM PT, ke...@kenru.net typed:


Sorry if this repeats previous info; but this is the first time I've
used this new Windows 7 computer (I've always used XP before) and I want
to transfer my bookmarks and address book and tool bar stuff intact from
my previous SM 2.0.4 on my XP laptop to this new Windows 7 computer.

But I can't figure out where to put the files? Is it even possible to
use the same files as before?


Yes, for bookmarks, e-mail and usenet/newsgroup copies, addressbooks, etc.

What I did was install the clean SeaMonkey v2 and check to see if it 
worked. Then, exit it and copy my files over to c:\users\username\app 
data\roaming\mozilla\seamonkey I think? I am not on my 64-bit W7 HP 
machine). Edited its prefs.js to point to the right files (addressbooks 
are tricky so make new blank ones first then edit them).

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Re: Why is v2.x slower than v1.x?

2010-04-29 Thread S. Beaulieu

John a écrit :

Numerous posters have noted that after upgrading from v1.x to v2.x the
program is noticeably slower to perform various operations. Is there an
identified cause for this? Is any effort being made to correct it? Thanks!




That's news to me. I have seen an obvious improvement on the speed front 
as soon as I switched to 2.x. Same thing happened with everyone I know, 
including some that have old, old, old computers...


S.

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Re: Windows 7

2010-04-29 Thread S. Beaulieu

ke...@kenru.net a écrit :


But I can't figure out where to put the files? Is it even possible to
use the same files as before?




Yes: simply copy the whole profile from WinXP. It's in C:\Documents and 
Settings\UserName\Application Data\Mozilla\SeaMonkey (copy the whole 
folder). Then paste that folder in Win7 in 
C:\Users\UserName\AppData\Roaming\Mozilla\SeaMonkey. Launch SeaMonkey, 
and it will all be just as on your XP computer.


You have to make sure, though, that you have set your Folder options to 
show hidden files or else some directories won't be visible to you 
(Application Data and AppData, if I remember correctly).


S.
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Re: Why is v2.x slower than v1.x?

2010-04-29 Thread Gerald Ross

John wrote:

Numerous posters have noted that after upgrading from v1.x to v2.x the
program is noticeably slower to perform various operations. Is there an
identified cause for this? Is any effort being made to correct it? Thanks!

John
Mine is much slower to load, possibly because I use the quick-start in 
1.x. Once it is going I cannot see any difference.


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where you step.





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Re: Newsreader and blank messages

2010-04-29 Thread Phillip Jones

Daniel wrote:

Errol Smith wrote:

I have seen this a couple of times. I found that if I (completely!)
closed Seamonkey  opened it again, the message bodies would be there
now. So I think this IS a Seamonkey issue, but it hasn't happened often
enough for me to be sure.
Try that  see if it works for you


Elsewhere in this thread, Dominique has posted a Bugzilla bug number,
and reading that shows that Thunderbird is also affected. They have
noted that if you close which ever program you're using, and then
re-open it, you are able to see the message.

Daniel
I see this bug all the time. it happens at least once a day.  Mark it as 
unread. The shut down SeaMonkey and restart and you ca read message


Also note in some cases rather than being highlighted. the item is 
outlined in a rectangle (the subject). SM 1 never ever did this. SM2 
since inception always had.


Someone need to post a Bug about it in SM Bugzilla even if it Duplicates 
one in Thunderbird.


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Re: Why is v2.x slower than v1.x?

2010-04-29 Thread hawker
I'm not sure about start up, it may be a tad slower in 2.x but browsing 
is definitely faster in 2.x, especially on pages with complex tables, so 
I am not sure what you are talking about.


On 4/29/2010 7:40 AM, John wrote:

Numerous posters have noted that after upgrading from v1.x to v2.x the
program is noticeably slower to perform various operations. Is there an
identified cause for this? Is any effort being made to correct it? Thanks!

John


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Re: Why is v2.x slower than v1.x?

2010-04-29 Thread S. Beaulieu

Gerald Ross a écrit :

Mine is much slower to load, possibly because I use the quick-start in
1.x. Once it is going I cannot see any difference.



Ah!! Good point. I've never used quickstart  because at the time, my 
computer was too slow, so having that running in the background was a 
pain...


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Re: Newsreader and blank messages

2010-04-29 Thread Phillip Jones

dominique wrote:

Alex Strickland wrote, On 4/29/2010 10:12 AM:
.../...


I'll let that comment stand, perhaps someone will look into it one day.

Thanks and regards
Alex


I think this could be this bug here:
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=540288

Dom


I've just read  the bug commented on it and voted for it to be fixed.
In Comments I noted it applies to SM as well as TB and for me its a 
daily occurrence. At least one Message is affected each day, and there 
is no certain News Server. and in my case a sure sign that that it will 
show as empty, it that instead of being fully highlighted will show as 
an outline around the subject (header info).


Note: this was not added;but, I read messages from Mozilla, 
secnews.Netscape, Annexcafe, msnews.com, and eternal September. and it 
happens in all of them.

its never on the same server and randomly happens between the servers.

Oh, this was added to comment in Bugzilla. This never happen in SM1, and 
has always happened in SM2 since day one.

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Re: Phooey - Back to 1.19

2010-04-29 Thread Phillip Jones

Daniel wrote:

Barbara Norvell wrote:

JohnW-Mpls wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2010 15:18:39 +0300, John Douenotw...@yahoo.com
wrote:


On 4/28/2010 1:34 PM, Daniel wrote:

JohnW-Mpls wrote:

On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 08:48:43 -0500, JohnW-Mplsjohn...@comcast.net
wrote:


On Tue, 27 Apr 2010 13:59:08 +0200, Robert Kaiserka...@kairo.at
wrote:


JohnW-Mpls schrieb:

Well, it may be a Cookie problem in SM2. All I know is that I
need to
fiddle around to get full access to the WSJ page using SM2.
Conversely, I get immediate full access using SM1, FireFox, IE,
Opera,
and Safari.

That suggests to me that SM2 has a problem.


We have mostly the same infrastructure in SM2 as in Firefox 3.5,
so I
wonder if there's a problem of your Cookie settings in SM2 (either
globally or wrt this site).

Could you check what item Tools  Cookie Manager has checked when you
navigate to this site in SM2, and if it has the default settings
checked, what Privacy  Security  Cookies has set in your
preferences?

Robert Kaiser


I'll save this for when I try SM2 again - I took it off when I
reinstalled SM1.

Could I now have both installed at a the same time? Last fall, this
was not true - at least we were told to remove SM1 before installing
SM2.


+ + + + + + +

Well, There ya go!

I just installed SM2.04 and all the ID/Password stuff works as easy as
it did in SM1.19. I have no idea why - I did copy (via Win Explorer)
all the profile files under SM1 to SM2 but made no option changes - it
just all works.

Whoopee [grin]



John, If you are going to be using SM1 sometimes and SM 2 sometimes,
this will mean that you will have your mail split in two, unless you
have one or the other set up to actually leave the mail on your server,
so it *ALL* gets downloaded into one profile or the other.

Go to Edit-Mail  Newsgroup Account Settings and select Server
settings on your email account, and in the server settings section,
tick Leave Message on Server and set a time period.

HTH

Daniel


There is a simple way to avoid having mail split in two. In Server
Settings, make sure the local directory setting is identical in both
programs.



I doubt that wourld work - Server Settings does not offer a way to
choose a different Profle/location. Dan's idea of leaving one profile
set to leave messages on the server seems better.

However, once I got SM2 working nice, I deleted SM1- I'm of the old
school where space is precious. [grin]


How can I go back to 1.19. I can't get my email anymore in SM2. I have a
thread going, but there hasn't been a solution.


Barbara, if you were using Windows I'd have a go at giving you some
assistance, but seems as you're using a Mac that's out of my knowledge.

Maybe Phillip Jones, Rufus or one of the other Mac users will drop by!!

Daniel

 Open your Profile for SM2 locate the Mail Folder.
next for your inbox option drag a copy to  Finder.
then change the name to oldmail instead of inbox.

Now locate the profile for SM 1.1.9
 open Mail Folder and Drag the file you copied to desktop into this folder.
close up all the windows. now open SeaMonkey 1.1.9

Go to Mail. Now you will see to items inbox and old mail.

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Re: Why is v2.x slower than v1.x?

2010-04-29 Thread Phillip Jones

S. Beaulieu wrote:

John a écrit :

Numerous posters have noted that after upgrading from v1.x to v2.x the
program is noticeably slower to perform various operations. Is there an
identified cause for this? Is any effort being made to correct it? Thanks!




That's news to me. I have seen an obvious improvement on the speed front
as soon as I switched to 2.x. Same thing happened with everyone I know,
including some that have old, old, old computers...

S.



I've noticed slower response. in the Browser portion.
Many sites never finish loading unless you click Reload at least once or 
twice the Load indicators keep going and going. I use DSL so I am not 
using a POTS line.


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Re: Why is v2.x slower than v1.x?

2010-04-29 Thread Phillip Jones

Phillip Jones wrote:

S. Beaulieu wrote:

John a écrit :

Numerous posters have noted that after upgrading from v1.x to v2.x the
program is noticeably slower to perform various operations. Is there an
identified cause for this? Is any effort being made to correct it? Thanks!




That's news to me. I have seen an obvious improvement on the speed front
as soon as I switched to 2.x. Same thing happened with everyone I know,
including some that have old, old, old computers...

S.



I've noticed slower response. in the Browser portion.
Many sites never finish loading unless you click Reload at least once or
twice the Load indicators keep going and going. I use DSL so I am not
using a POTS line.


 Oh, I am using MacOSX.4.11

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Re: Newsreader and blank messages

2010-04-29 Thread dominique

Phillip Jones wrote, On 4/29/2010 5:52 PM:
.../...


I've just read the bug commented on it and voted for it to be fixed.
In Comments I noted it applies to SM as well as TB and for me its a
daily occurrence. At least one Message is affected each day, and there
is no certain News Server. and in my case a sure sign that that it will
show as empty, it that instead of being fully highlighted will show as
an outline around the subject (header info).

Note: this was not added;but, I read messages from Mozilla,
secnews.Netscape, Annexcafe, msnews.com, and eternal September. and it
happens in all of them.
its never on the same server and randomly happens between the servers.

Oh, this was added to comment in Bugzilla. This never happen in SM1, and
has always happened in SM2 since day one.


A workaround I found was to right-click on the message that do not 
show-up, click Get selected message, move the focus (highlight) out of 
the message then back onto it, et voilà !


That works for me...

Dominique (SM2.1a1pre on WinXP)

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Adobe Flash plugin problem?

2010-04-29 Thread Dick Hoffman
I'm using SM 2.0.4 on a Windows XP-SP3 system. I have no extensions 
installed. When trying to view the video at the site

http://www.nbc.com/who-do-you-think-you-are/video/susan-sarandon/1222188/
the site loads so far and then stops with either Done or Read 
www.nbc.com at the bottom left of the screen. The video does not play 
although the peacock's tail changes colors from time to time. I looked 
at about:plugins and it says I have version 10.0 r45 of the Adobe 
Flash Player installed and a Windows Explore search shows I have only 
one copy of NPSWF32.dll on the system. IE 8 has no problem playing the 
video. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Dick
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Re: Adobe Flash plugin problem?

2010-04-29 Thread Rickles

Dick Hoffman wrote:
I'm using SM 2.0.4 on a Windows XP-SP3 system. I have no extensions 
installed. When trying to view the video at the site

http://www.nbc.com/who-do-you-think-you-are/video/susan-sarandon/1222188/
the site loads so far and then stops with either Done or Read 
www.nbc.com at the bottom left of the screen. The video does not play 
although the peacock's tail changes colors from time to time. I looked 
at about:plugins and it says I have version 10.0 r45 of the Adobe 
Flash Player installed and a Windows Explore search shows I have only 
one copy of NPSWF32.dll on the system. IE 8 has no problem playing the 
video. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Dick
I'm on WinXP Pro-SP3, but SM1.1.19 with MultiZilla, IETab and a couple 
of mail plugins installed, Classic Theme.  This page doesn't get past 
the peacock symbol for me, either.  Not even when I choose to view it in 
an IE tab (IE 8 is installed, only used in situations like this.)  I 
tried one or two other clips at random, and none play.


Checking the page code thru W3C Validator, it comes up with 400 errrors 
and 300 warnings about the state of the code.  That's not good.


A page can render in IE and not SeaMonkey (or even FireFox) because it 
was written that way.  Probably not intentionally, but since a lot of 
tools cater to bells  whistles that aren't W3C-standards compliant, 
other browser rendering engines sometimes can't make sense of what the 
tools produce.


Complain to the webmaster and see what they say.  It's them, not you.
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Re: Adobe Flash plugin problem?

2010-04-29 Thread Lemuel Johnson

Dick Hoffman wrote:
I'm using SM 2.0.4 on a Windows XP-SP3 system. I have no extensions 
installed. When trying to view the video at the site

http://www.nbc.com/who-do-you-think-you-are/video/susan-sarandon/1222188/
the site loads so far and then stops with either Done or Read 
www.nbc.com at the bottom left of the screen. The video does not play 
although the peacock's tail changes colors from time to time. I looked 
at about:plugins and it says I have version 10.0 r45 of the Adobe 
Flash Player installed and a Windows Explore search shows I have only 
one copy of NPSWF32.dll on the system. IE 8 has no problem playing the 
video. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Dick


They sniff for MSIE, Firefox and Safari.  If they don't find one 
of those they fail.  (JavaScript throws error: this.browserDetection() 
has no properties)


Video works for me if I use User Agent Switcher to spoof Firefox.  SM 
1.1.18, Windows XP-SP3.


lj
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Re: Adobe Flash plugin problem?

2010-04-29 Thread Dick Hoffman

Lemuel Johnson wrote:

Dick Hoffman wrote:

I'm using SM 2.0.4 on a Windows XP-SP3 system. I have no extensions
installed. When trying to view the video at the site
http://www.nbc.com/who-do-you-think-you-are/video/susan-sarandon/1222188/
the site loads so far and then stops with either Done or Read
www.nbc.com at the bottom left of the screen. The video does not play
although the peacock's tail changes colors from time to time. I looked
at about:plugins and it says I have version 10.0 r45 of the Adobe
Flash Player installed and a Windows Explore search shows I have only
one copy of NPSWF32.dll on the system. IE 8 has no problem playing the
video. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Dick


They sniff for MSIE, Firefox and Safari. If they don't find one of
those they fail. (JavaScript throws error: this.browserDetection() has
no properties)

Video works for me if I use User Agent Switcher to spoof Firefox. SM
1.1.18, Windows XP-SP3.

lj
Thanks for your quick replies. Nice to know it's not my installation 
that's at fault. Guess I'll break down and install the User Agent Switcher.

Dick
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Re: Adobe Flash plugin problem?

2010-04-29 Thread Dick Hoffman

Dick Hoffman wrote:

Lemuel Johnson wrote:

Dick Hoffman wrote:

I'm using SM 2.0.4 on a Windows XP-SP3 system. I have no extensions
installed. When trying to view the video at the site
http://www.nbc.com/who-do-you-think-you-are/video/susan-sarandon/1222188/

the site loads so far and then stops with either Done or Read
www.nbc.com at the bottom left of the screen. The video does not play
although the peacock's tail changes colors from time to time. I looked
at about:plugins and it says I have version 10.0 r45 of the Adobe
Flash Player installed and a Windows Explore search shows I have only
one copy of NPSWF32.dll on the system. IE 8 has no problem playing the
video. Any suggestions would be appreciated.
Dick


They sniff for MSIE, Firefox and Safari. If they don't find one of
those they fail. (JavaScript throws error: this.browserDetection() has
no properties)

Video works for me if I use User Agent Switcher to spoof Firefox. SM
1.1.18, Windows XP-SP3.

lj

Thanks for your quick replies. Nice to know it's not my installation
that's at fault. Guess I'll break down and install the User Agent Switcher.
Dick
Maybe I spoke too soon. I installed the User Agent Switcher, switched to 
IE7 and tried to load the video. I got a different appearing page but 
the video still did not play. Also tried IE8 setting with same result. 
Deinstalled the Switcher.

Dick

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Re: Mail Error message

2010-04-29 Thread Mark
I am having the same problem

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Re: Adobe Flash plugin problem?

2010-04-29 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

Dick Hoffman wrote:

I'm using SM 2.0.4 on a Windows XP-SP3 system. I have no extensions 
installed. When trying to view the video at the site 
http://www.nbc.com/who-do-you-think-you-are/video/susan-sarandon/1222188/
 the site loads so far and then stops with either Done or Read 
www.nbc.com at the bottom left of the screen. The video does not

play although the peacock's tail changes colors from time to time. I
looked at about:plugins and it says I have version 10.0 r45 of the
Adobe Flash Player installed and a Windows Explore search shows I
have only one copy of NPSWF32.dll on the system. IE 8 has no problem
playing the video. Any suggestions would be appreciated.


I also get the peacock, which periodically refreshes, with a horizontal 
white line between the main peacock and its reflection. The horizontal 
line gradually widens (not thickens) as if intended to be an 
artsy-fartsy progress bar, but stops when it's a little less than twice 
the width of the peacock. The status bar displays Transferring data 
from www.nbc.com..., and my LAN icon in the tray stays lit to show data 
arriving.


This is the page's stable state even after 15 minutes of waiting with a 
broadband connection. If they're going to load an entire half-hour video 
before displaying any of it, that's both stupid and rude, which is why I 
closed the window.


The video displays no controls, even if I mouse over it.

WinXP, SM 1.16, Shockwave Flash 10.0 r45.

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Re: Adobe Flash plugin problem?

2010-04-29 Thread William Morrison



Dick Hoffman wrote:
I'm using SM 2.0.4 on a Windows XP-SP3 system. I have no extensions 
installed. When trying to view the video at the site

http://www.nbc.com/who-do-you-think-you-are/video/susan-sarandon/1222188/
the site loads so far and then stops with either Done or Read 
www.nbc.com at the bottom left of the screen. The video does not play 
although the peacock's tail changes colors from time to time. I looked 
at about:plugins and it says I have version 10.0 r45 of the Adobe 
Flash Player installed and a Windows Explore search shows I have only 
one copy of NPSWF32.dll on the system. IE 8 has no problem playing the 
video. Any suggestions would be appreciated.

Dick

I'm running XP Sp3 and couldn't get to work with Seamonkey 2.0.4 but did 
with IE8 and Chrome, tried Safari for Windows and got a pop-up saying 
they didn't support that browser with a list of supported ones; Windows: 
IE7, IE8, Foxfire3, Foxfire2, Chrome with Mac: Foxfire3, Foxfire2, 
Safari, Chrome, Camino



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Re: Newsreader and blank messages

2010-04-29 Thread Phillip Jones

dominique wrote:

Phillip Jones wrote, On 4/29/2010 5:52 PM:
.../...


I've just read the bug commented on it and voted for it to be fixed.
In Comments I noted it applies to SM as well as TB and for me its a
daily occurrence. At least one Message is affected each day, and there
is no certain News Server. and in my case a sure sign that that it will
show as empty, it that instead of being fully highlighted will show as
an outline around the subject (header info).

Note: this was not added;but, I read messages from Mozilla,
secnews.Netscape, Annexcafe, msnews.com, and eternal September. and it
happens in all of them.
its never on the same server and randomly happens between the servers.

Oh, this was added to comment in Bugzilla. This never happen in SM1, and
has always happened in SM2 since day one.


A workaround I found was to right-click on the message that do not
show-up, click Get selected message, move the focus (highlight) out of
the message then back onto it, et voilà !

That works for me...

Dominique (SM2.1a1pre on WinXP)

Already Tried. no success . the only cure on Macs is to mark as unread, 
shut down SM the open and go back to the message.


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Re: Adobe Flash plugin problem?

2010-04-29 Thread JeffM
Dick Hoffman wrote:
When trying to view the video at the site
http://www.nbc.com/who-do-you-think-you-are/video/susan-sarandon/1222188/
the site loads so far and then stops with either Done
or Read www.nbc.com at the bottom left of the screen.

That page is a steaming pile of bad.
http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http://www.nbc.com/who-do-you-think-you-are/video/susan-sarandon/1222188/
406 Errors

If the bozo that built that site built cars, it would look like this:
http://google.com/images?q=Johnny-Cash+One-Piece-at-a-Time
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Re: Newsreader and blank messages

2010-04-29 Thread Hartmut Figge
Phillip Jones:

Already Tried. no success . the only cure on Macs is to mark as unread, 
shut down SM the open and go back to the message.

Did you try Advance-Cache-Clear Cache followed by going to another
posting and then coming back?

Hartmut
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Re: Adobe Flash plugin problem?

2010-04-29 Thread Mark Hansen
On 4/29/2010 3:18 PM, Dick Hoffman wrote:
 Maybe I spoke too soon. I installed the User Agent Switcher, switched to 
 IE7 and tried to load the video. I got a different appearing page but 
 the video still did not play. Also tried IE8 setting with same result. 
 Deinstalled the Switcher.
 Dick
 

Actually, you're running a Gecko-based browser, so you want to
spoof Firefox. If the site is sending IE-specific code when it
thinks you're running IE (because you spoofed it that way), then
you'll get code your browser can't run.

Just so you understand, the spoofer doesn't make your browser
*act* like the browser you're spoofing. It just makes your
browser *say* it's the browser you're spoofing.

You'll want User Agent Switcher. If I were you, I would install
it and learn to use it.

By the way, it doesn't come with any Firefox user agent settings.
You'll need to get your own and add them to it. You can search
(using Google or similar) for User Agent Strings to find lots
of them available.

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