Re: How to disable Seamonkey's memory of previously saved page directory paths...

[Doc Crock]

On Dec 2, 5:09 am, Jens Hatlak  wrote:
>
> I'm pretty sure that's a configuration issue. Try with a new profile.

Eureka!!! Thank you!!!  Thank you!!!. Yip... All fixed.   Thank
you Jens.

Such a simple thing to try!!!  Create a new profile, reset some
preferences, reload Prefbar [how could anyone live without that :] and
I was back in business. The new profile immediately fixed the image
problem and I think it has also fixed the 'Directory Memory' problem.
I've done a number of tests which seem to show Seamonkey is doing
everything I want now and  I'm so relieved that I don't have to move
to another browser...  :DDD

I didn't post here just to whinge, I spent hours and hours on both
problems, going through all the configuration settings umpteen times.
Searching the Web for solutions and working through all the commands
without any success. Then one line from Jens and I'm back in
business.  Definitely going to keep a second backup profile set up the
way I like to use Seamonkey now.

What I can't understand is how I got into such misconfiguration
pickle.  I'm not a fiddler. I had a working browser and just loaded
updates when they became available. The missing image problem has been
with me for more than a year but the "directory Memory' problem only
presented itself one or two  upgrades ago.

Maybe Seamonkey could use a 'Reset all settings to factory defaults'
button?  [Without wiping bookmarks of course...]
No matter what I get from software, I always want more... :)

Thanks heaps Jens.  Also thanks to other responders.  This great
browser also has an active and supportive community.

Now if we could only get Microsoft to follow this support example.
I really want a 'Reset Excel to Ver. 2003 Menus' button so I can use
the 2007-2010 ribbon menus as Christmas decorations.

Cheers to all,  Doc Crock.
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Re: How to disable Seamonkey's memory of previously saved page directory paths...

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 01/12/2011 20:05, Jens Hatlak told the world:
> MCBastos wrote:
>> Interviewed by CNN on 01/12/2011 19:09, Jens Hatlak told the world:
>>> In fact it was the Firefox developers who made the change. It only
>>> affects SM, too because the change was made to shared code.
>>
>> Does anybody know the number of the original bug related to this change?
> 
> 
> 
> As you can see from the last comment (as of now), the key question has 
> already been asked more than a month ago but no-one felt like answering 
> it yet. That just tells...


Following a couple links around, I found out that there is an open bug
to create such a pref:

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=702748


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Re: How to disable Seamonkey's memory of previously saved page directory paths...

[Jens Hatlak]

MCBastos wrote:

Interviewed by CNN on 01/12/2011 19:09, Jens Hatlak told the world:

In fact it was the Firefox developers who made the change. It only
affects SM, too because the change was made to shared code.


Does anybody know the number of the original bug related to this change?




As you can see from the last comment (as of now), the key question has 
already been asked more than a month ago but no-one felt like answering 
it yet. That just tells...


HTH

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Re: How to disable Seamonkey's memory of previously saved page directory paths...

[Paul B. Gallagher]

schwe...@optonline.net wrote:

Doc Crock wrote:

* * * much snipped * * *



There are also some image problems I have with Seamonkey that don't
happen in Firefox. Try accessing this page:
http://www.kitco.com/charts/livegold.html
with both browsers. Notice anything missing with Seamonkey? On mine
I can't see the GIF charts. Maybe it's configuration but both browsers
I have use the default installation. Chrome and all other browsers
work fine. And there are other Web sites that I have image problems
with Seamonkey, many Wikipedia images for example.


* * more snipped * *


Cheers to all, Doc Crock.



Maybe I'm missing some GIFs that you know about, but I see charts all
over the place.
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0.1) Gecko/2021
Firefox/8.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.5


Same here.

The only difference I see between SM 2.5 and IE 8.0 is that the IE page 
is cluttered with ads because it doesn't support AdBlockPlus.


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search button in 2.5

[denewton]

Hello,
I have problem with search button since the 2.4.1 and also in 2.5 
version. I constate that wiht "sans echec" mode (without modules) the 
button search is running ok and with the normal running -whith all the 
modules- this button dose'nt running. And when I create a new profile, 
this profile is OK for the button.
(J'ai un gros problème avec le bouton rechercher depuis la 2.4.1 et 
encore sur la 2.5. J'ai remarqué qu'en démarrant seamonkey en mode "sans 
echec" -redémarrer avec les modules désactivés- ce bouton redevenait 
actif alors qu'en mode normal, il est inerte. Et en créant un nouveau 
profile ça marche OK)

What module is causing this situation ?
(quel module pourrait causer cette situation)
sincerly
Bertrand
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Re: How to disable Seamonkey's memory of previously saved page directory paths...

[schwenkl]

Doc Crock wrote:

 * * * much snipped  * * *



There are also some  image problems I have with Seamonkey that don't
happen in Firefox.  Try accessing this page: 
http://www.kitco.com/charts/livegold.html
with both browsers.   Notice anything missing with Seamonkey?  On mine
I can't see the GIF charts. Maybe it's configuration but both browsers
I have use the  default installation. Chrome and all other browsers
work fine. And there are other Web sites that I have image problems
with Seamonkey, many Wikipedia images for example.


 * * more snipped * *


Cheers to all,  Doc Crock.


Maybe I'm missing some GIFs that you know about, but I see charts all 
over the place.
Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0.1) Gecko/2021 
Firefox/8.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.5


Larry


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Re: How to disable Seamonkey's memory of previously saved page directory paths...

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 01/12/2011 19:09, Jens Hatlak told the world:

> 
> In fact it was the Firefox developers who made the change. It only 
> affects SM, too because the change was made to shared code.
> 

Does anybody know the number of the original bug related to this change?
I have bee running searches on Bugzilla and couldn't figure it out.

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Re: How to disable Seamonkey's memory of previously saved page directory paths...

[Jens Hatlak]

Doc Crock wrote:

No it doesn't happen in Firefox.


Then that's only because it defaults to saving everything to a defined 
directory, without asking. Change its preferences to ask each time and 
it will behave exactly like SM.



Then the Seamonkey developers have a brain wave to associate Web sites
with saved Windows directories which obviously suits someone's purpose


In fact it was the Firefox developers who made the change. It only 
affects SM, too because the change was made to shared code.



but as far as I can find out they don't
provide any configuration option to chose the long standing save page
Windows directory convention.


Well, if I had implemented it I'd have provided an option to let users 
opt out of the new behavior. You'll need to ask the FF devs why they 
chose differently.



I was hoping someone would have a configuration fix for this problem
but I guess not so I'll just have to bite the bullet and switch
permanently to Firefox, and use a separate page editor when needed.


As explained above, switching to FF won't fix it for you. If there's a 
setting in FF that makes it behave the way you want to have it then I'm 
sure that same setting exists in SM, too. In the unlikely event that I'm 
wrong, we can surely talk about changing that.



There are also some  image problems I have with Seamonkey that don't
happen in Firefox.  Try accessing this page: 
http://www.kitco.com/charts/livegold.html
with both browsers.   Notice anything missing with Seamonkey?  On mine
I can't see the GIF charts. Maybe it's configuration but both browsers
I have use the  default installation. Chrome and all other browsers
work fine. And there are other Web sites that I have image problems
with Seamonkey, many Wikipedia images for example.


I'm pretty sure that's a configuration issue. Try with a new profile.

HTH

Jens

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SM 2.5 - pictures not reloaded from cache

[Jochen Roderburg]

The new SeaMonkey 2.5 (on Linux) shows a strange behaviour on a few websites
with pictures.  Not sure, if it is relevant, but what they seem to have in
common is that the picture thumbnails on the page are not separate files
from the server, but scaled-down versions of the full-size files to which
they link.

When I first load such a page, everything is nornmal, the thumbnails are
shown and when I click on them I get the full picture.
Now, when I return to the browser tab one or two days later, the thumbnails
are no longer shown, only empty frames are there and when I click on them I
get a page with only a text line containing the URL.

The pictures are unchanged on the server, and I verified with about:cache
that they are also all in the local disk cache. So they should be loaded
from the cache, but this does not seem to work for unknown reasons.
With LiveHTTPHeaders I can see that SM does make server requests for the
files which are correctly answered with "304 Not Modified".
A simple page reload does also not help, only a full reload brings the
page back to normal (for a while ;-).

All this does not happen with earlier SeaMonkey versions nor with Firefox.

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Re: Verizon does it again

[W3BNR]

On 12/1/2011 2:47 PM WLS submitted the following:

>> , and then :

> 
> Verizon Communications Inc. (NYSE: VZ, NASDAQ: VZ) (branded as verizon)
> is a global broadband and telecommunications company.
> 
> They give good broadband and telecommunications (except for the 3 weeks
> my phone and internet service was out after requesting a DSL speed
> upgrade during their strike), but they are really screwing up their
> websites.
> 
> I agree the original post should have been posted elsewhere.
> 

I started this and I agree - it would have been had I known at the time it was a
problem with Verizon.  I needed confirmation which I received.  Followups to
this thread are directed to mozilla.general.  No further correspondence from me.

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Re: Verizon does it again

[JeffM]

WLS wrote:
>"Browser Policy Statement
>Verizon recognizes the diverse operating systems and Internet browsers
>our visitors may be using. While we want every visitor to have the best
>possible experience on our Web site, we recognize that it is impossible
>to develop applications that work identically, efficiently, and
>effectively with all browsers.
>
...unless you were to y'know STICK TO **STANDARDS**.
When you encounter NON-standards-compliant browsers[1],
serve THOSE a browser-specific page.

It's not *really* that hard, guys.
.
.
[1] I think we all know who builds those.
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Re: SM 2.5 - address dragging

[Jens Hatlak]

JohnW-Mpls wrote:

I just now experienced what someone mentioned in here a few days ago
- in SM2.5's address books section, the dragging of addresses from
one book or location to another is not functioning.


If you can still reproduce this, please check the following:
1. whether anything gets added in the Error Console (Tools/Web
Development) when you do this
2. whether the problem happens in Safe Mode (Help/Restart with Add-ons
Disabled), i.e. without add-ons that could be interfering.

Greetings,

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Re: Verizon does it again

[WLS]

On 12/01/2011 02:32 PM, Philip TAYLOR wrote:
> 
> 
> W3BNR wrote:
> 
> , and then :
> 
>> Thank you - confirms my suspicion that it's a Verizon problem
>> And as you may or may not know Verizon is doing away with publishing
>> their white
>> page phone books.  I don't know if we're the first, but their latest book
>> delivered two weeks ago contains only business listings and yellow
>> pages.  We
>> have to call to get a printed copy or a dvd with residence white
>> pages.  I
>> called - I cannot get both dvd and printed copy.  AND to top it all
>> off the dvd
>> will only work with Windows XP.  Way to go Verizon.
> 
> Could you /please/ tell the rest of us, who thought this
> was a Seamonkey Support list, WTF "Verizon" is and why it
> is a fit subject for discussion on this forum ?
> 
> Philip Taylor


Verizon Communications Inc. (NYSE: VZ, NASDAQ: VZ) (branded as verizon)
is a global broadband and telecommunications company.

They give good broadband and telecommunications (except for the 3 weeks
my phone and internet service was out after requesting a DSL speed
upgrade during their strike), but they are really screwing up their
websites.

I agree the original post should have been posted elsewhere.

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Re: Verizon does it again

[WLS]

On 12/01/2011 02:17 PM, W3BNR wrote:
> On 12/1/2011 1:56 PM WLS submitted the following:

>>
>> I can confirm your observation that disabling, then re-enabling
>> JavaScript works.
>>
>>
> 
> Thank you - confirms my suspicion that it's a Verizon problem
> And as you may or may not know Verizon is doing away with publishing their 
> white
> page phone books.  I don't know if we're the first, but their latest book
> delivered two weeks ago contains only business listings and yellow pages.  We
> have to call to get a printed copy or a dvd with residence white pages.  I
> called - I cannot get both dvd and printed copy.  AND to top it all off the 
> dvd
> will only work with Windows XP.  Way to go Verizon.
> 


Some alternatives.

http://www.anywho.com/whitepages

http://www.phonenumber.com/

http://www.411.com/

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Re: Verizon does it again

[Philip TAYLOR]

W3BNR wrote:

, and then :


Thank you - confirms my suspicion that it's a Verizon problem
And as you may or may not know Verizon is doing away with publishing their white
page phone books.  I don't know if we're the first, but their latest book
delivered two weeks ago contains only business listings and yellow pages.  We
have to call to get a printed copy or a dvd with residence white pages.  I
called - I cannot get both dvd and printed copy.  AND to top it all off the dvd
will only work with Windows XP.  Way to go Verizon.


Could you /please/ tell the rest of us, who thought this
was a Seamonkey Support list, WTF "Verizon" is and why it
is a fit subject for discussion on this forum ?

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Re: Verizon does it again

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On 12/1/2011 1:56 PM WLS submitted the following:
> On 12/01/2011 01:19 PM, W3BNR wrote:
>> On 12/1/2011 12:41 PM Jim Taylor submitted the following:
>>> W3BNR wrote:
 Going to https://www22.verizon.com/residential/lookuptools/
 with JavaScript enabled returns a page that says "We're sorry" etc.

 Re-entering that link with JavaScript disabled now shows the proper page 
 with
 the notation that I have to have JavaScript enabled.  Enabling JavaScript 
 at
 this point allows proper operation

 Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0.1) Gecko/2021
 Firefox/8.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.5
 Windows XP up-to-date
 Java Platform SE 6 U29 6.0.290.11  1.6.0_29


>>> I get the same thing with Internet Explorer.  Why would you think it's a
>>> SeaMonkey problem?
>>
>> Sorry for the misconception.  And after re-reading the message I can't see 
>> why
>> anyone would make an assumption as to where I was placing the blame.  Just
>> making an observation and wonder if others were having the problem before
>> tearing my hair out to see where to place the blame.
>>
> 
> 
> We are making the assumption because it was posted in the SeaMonkey
> support newsgroup.
> 
> When copying and pasting your link into Firefox and SeaMonkey. I get this.
> 
> "We're sorry
> We are not able to process your request. To continue, please select
> one of the following options:
> 
> Return to the previous page.
> View the verizon.com site map.
> Go to the verizon.com home page."
> 
> If I click on the "Please enable JavaScript while viewing this site"
> link I get directed to a Privacy Policy page with.
> 
> "Browser Policy Statement
> Verizon recognizes the diverse operating systems and Internet browsers
> our visitors may be using. While we want every visitor to have the best
> possible experience on our Web site, we recognize that it is impossible
> to develop applications that work identically, efficiently, and
> effectively with all browsers.
> 
> verizon.com supports Microsoft® Internet Explorer 7.x - 9.x, as well as
> Mozilla Firefox™ 5.x - 6.x and Chrome 12.x on the PC. We also support
> Safari 5.x on the Macintosh®.
> 
> For optimal viewing, please set your screen resolution to at least
> 1024x768 and have JavaScript enabled.
> 
> Updated September 2011"
> 
> I guess they haven't caught up to Firefox 7.x.x or 8.x.x, and its
> SeaMonkey counterpart.
> 
> I can confirm your observation that disabling, then re-enabling
> JavaScript works.
> 
> 

Thank you - confirms my suspicion that it's a Verizon problem
And as you may or may not know Verizon is doing away with publishing their white
page phone books.  I don't know if we're the first, but their latest book
delivered two weeks ago contains only business listings and yellow pages.  We
have to call to get a printed copy or a dvd with residence white pages.  I
called - I cannot get both dvd and printed copy.  AND to top it all off the dvd
will only work with Windows XP.  Way to go Verizon.

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Re: Verizon does it again

[WLS]

On 12/01/2011 01:19 PM, W3BNR wrote:
> On 12/1/2011 12:41 PM Jim Taylor submitted the following:
>> W3BNR wrote:
>>> Going to https://www22.verizon.com/residential/lookuptools/
>>> with JavaScript enabled returns a page that says "We're sorry" etc.
>>>
>>> Re-entering that link with JavaScript disabled now shows the proper page 
>>> with
>>> the notation that I have to have JavaScript enabled.  Enabling JavaScript at
>>> this point allows proper operation
>>>
>>> Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0.1) Gecko/2021
>>> Firefox/8.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.5
>>> Windows XP up-to-date
>>> Java Platform SE 6 U29 6.0.290.11  1.6.0_29
>>>
>>>
>> I get the same thing with Internet Explorer.  Why would you think it's a
>> SeaMonkey problem?
> 
> Sorry for the misconception.  And after re-reading the message I can't see why
> anyone would make an assumption as to where I was placing the blame.  Just
> making an observation and wonder if others were having the problem before
> tearing my hair out to see where to place the blame.
> 


We are making the assumption because it was posted in the SeaMonkey
support newsgroup.

When copying and pasting your link into Firefox and SeaMonkey. I get this.

"We're sorry
We are not able to process your request. To continue, please select
one of the following options:

Return to the previous page.
View the verizon.com site map.
Go to the verizon.com home page."

If I click on the "Please enable JavaScript while viewing this site"
link I get directed to a Privacy Policy page with.

"Browser Policy Statement
Verizon recognizes the diverse operating systems and Internet browsers
our visitors may be using. While we want every visitor to have the best
possible experience on our Web site, we recognize that it is impossible
to develop applications that work identically, efficiently, and
effectively with all browsers.

verizon.com supports Microsoft® Internet Explorer 7.x - 9.x, as well as
Mozilla Firefox™ 5.x - 6.x and Chrome 12.x on the PC. We also support
Safari 5.x on the Macintosh®.

For optimal viewing, please set your screen resolution to at least
1024x768 and have JavaScript enabled.

Updated September 2011"

I guess they haven't caught up to Firefox 7.x.x or 8.x.x, and its
SeaMonkey counterpart.

I can confirm your observation that disabling, then re-enabling
JavaScript works.


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Re: Verizon does it again

[W3BNR]

On 12/1/2011 12:41 PM Jim Taylor submitted the following:
> W3BNR wrote:
>> Going to https://www22.verizon.com/residential/lookuptools/
>> with JavaScript enabled returns a page that says "We're sorry" etc.
>>
>> Re-entering that link with JavaScript disabled now shows the proper page with
>> the notation that I have to have JavaScript enabled.  Enabling JavaScript at
>> this point allows proper operation
>>
>> Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0.1) Gecko/2021
>> Firefox/8.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.5
>> Windows XP up-to-date
>> Java Platform SE 6 U29 6.0.290.11  1.6.0_29
>>
>>
> I get the same thing with Internet Explorer.  Why would you think it's a
> SeaMonkey problem?

Sorry for the misconception.  And after re-reading the message I can't see why
anyone would make an assumption as to where I was placing the blame.  Just
making an observation and wonder if others were having the problem before
tearing my hair out to see where to place the blame.

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Re: Verizon does it again

[Jim Taylor]

W3BNR wrote:

Going to https://www22.verizon.com/residential/lookuptools/
with JavaScript enabled returns a page that says "We're sorry" etc.

Re-entering that link with JavaScript disabled now shows the proper page with
the notation that I have to have JavaScript enabled.  Enabling JavaScript at
this point allows proper operation

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0.1) Gecko/2021
Firefox/8.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.5
Windows XP up-to-date
Java Platform SE 6 U29 6.0.290.11  1.6.0_29


I get the same thing with Internet Explorer.  Why would you think it's 
a SeaMonkey problem?

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SeaMonkey 2.5 news server password not being saved?

[David H. Durgee]

I am seeing some strange behavior with 2.5 and news groups.  Despite 
having previously saved the user and password for a server that requires 
it I keep getting prompted for the password and sometimes the username 
as well.  When I open the password manager I see the username and 
password recorded for the web site (news.individual.net), but most often 
I do not see entries for the news server.  Sometimes shutting down 
SeaMonkey 2.5 will clear this up, sometimes not.


How can this be fixed?

Dave

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Re: Verizon does it again

[WLS]

On 12/01/2011 11:08 AM, W3BNR wrote:
> Going to https://www22.verizon.com/residential/lookuptools/
> with JavaScript enabled returns a page that says "We're sorry" etc.
> 
> Re-entering that link with JavaScript disabled now shows the proper page with
> the notation that I have to have JavaScript enabled.  Enabling JavaScript at
> this point allows proper operation
> 
> Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0.1) Gecko/2021
> Firefox/8.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.5
> Windows XP up-to-date
> Java Platform SE 6 U29 6.0.290.11  1.6.0_29
> 
> 


Is there a support question in there, or are you joining me for a little
Gouda on crackers with a Pinot Grigio and dicuss Verizon.?

As pointed out to me in my ISP (Verizon) whine.

a news group was created so we can discuss Verizon issues...
alt.online-service.verizon

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Verizon does it again

[W3BNR]

Going to https://www22.verizon.com/residential/lookuptools/
with JavaScript enabled returns a page that says "We're sorry" etc.

Re-entering that link with JavaScript disabled now shows the proper page with
the notation that I have to have JavaScript enabled.  Enabling JavaScript at
this point allows proper operation

Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:8.0.1) Gecko/2021
Firefox/8.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.5
Windows XP up-to-date
Java Platform SE 6 U29 6.0.290.11  1.6.0_29


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Re: Links don't work...

[ReyesShawna33]

freelance writer


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Re: Re-Open previously closed sites gone from SM 2.5

[Philip Chee]

On Thu, 01 Dec 2011 21:01:52 +1100, Daniel wrote:
> Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:8.0.1) Gecko/2021 
> Firefox/8.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.5
> 
> In previous version (2.4.1 maybe), I thought I had the option under the 
> Browsers "File" dropdown, to open previously closed pages but I've tried 
> to do this in 2.5 and I don't get the option. Looking through the 
> release notes, I couldn't find any mention of this function being dropped.
> 
> Am I imagining things??
> 
> I tried to check the release notes for previous SM but the listing of 
> older versions has, apparently, been dropped from the 
> seamonkey-project.org pages, at least the 8-10 that I checked. I think 
> I've still got SM 2.4 on my Win7 partition, so I'll give that a go 
> tomorrow evening (if I remember) and see what happens!!

It's now under the "Go" menu.
Bug 599731 - Move "Recently Closed" menus to Go menu
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=599731

Bug 670513 - Recently Closed Windows/tabs have been moved to the Go
menu. Document this.
https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=670513

Phil

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Re: Suggestions on moving from 2.0.14 to 2.5

[MCBastos]

Interviewed by CNN on 01/12/2011 02:59, Mike C told the world:
> Philip TAYLOR wrote:
>>
>>
>> MCBastos wrote:
>>
>>> Focusing on startup speed is like saying, "Wow, that car is fast! Just
>>> 0.3 seconds from unlocking the door to putting the engine in gear!"
>>
>> Hang on, hang on : if this is going to go viral, let's get our
>> facts straight : it is the /car/ that is put in gear, not the
>> engine !
>>
>> ** P.
> Actually, it's the transmission that is put in gear (smile).

OK, what about this? It's car/engine/transmission neutral (pun not
intended):

Focusing too much on startup speed is like saying, "Wow, that car is
fast! Just 0.3 seconds from unlocking the door to engaging first gear!"

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Re: How to disable Seamonkey's memory of previously saved page directory paths...

[Philip TAYLOR]

Doc Crock wrote:


It's almost as bad as Microsoft Developers forcing Excel&  other
office application users to switch to their new fangled 'ribbon menu'
system, losing a host of previous functions in the process and
destroying hundreds of thousand's (millions?) of long term user's
years of application experience and competence.  Those developers must
have just come out of high school and are starting from scratch. I
hope someone does something like that to them in 10 - 15 years.


Off-topic, but a very sincere "hear, hear".

File / Edit / View / Insert / Format ... / Help / ... were so logical,
so user-friendly.  Now we have one crazy icon that is supposed to subsume
everything.  Fine for those that never learned to read at school, completely
useless to those of us that respond to words, not images.  So I have just
ordered a brand-new PC, pre-loaded with Office 2003, and I have no intention
of upgrading to Office 2007 in my lifetime.  Now if I could only make
Windows 7 look and feel like Windows XP, I would be in Heaven.

Philip Taylor

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Re: How to disable Seamonkey's memory of previously saved page directory paths...

[Doc Crock]

> No, Dave, Doc Crock is right. Save behavior has changed -- now Seamonkey
> (and, I presume but I didn't really test, Firefox) remembers save
> directories in a per-site basis.

Hi Guys,

Thanks for your responses.  No it doesn't happen in Firefox.

I've used Seamonkey for a long time now and it has been great and
there are two things I will really miss leaving it :(

The brilliant, neat way it allows you to minimize tool bars. Beats me
why Firefox doesn't use that method. It's so easy to switch on and off
saving maximum screen space wasted by occasionally used tool bars
without having to go through any option menus.

And of course I'll miss the ability to edit, trim, or annotate saved
pages which is also extremely handy for my purposes. I Guess that will
never make it into Firefox(?)

This recent change to Seamonkey is driving me nuts and I'll have to
vote with my finger tips.  Imagine you've been saving daily instances
of particular pages, up to half a dozen pages and images per site and
often up to 40 or more sites per day. You have a sensible directory
structure yymmdd allowing you to find any, year, month and day and
have been doing that for many years .

Then the Seamonkey developers have a brain wave to associate Web sites
with saved Windows directories which obviously suits someone's purpose
(saving comics I see :)  but as far as I can find out they don't
provide any configuration option to chose the long standing save page
Windows directory convention.

It's almost as bad as Microsoft Developers forcing Excel & other
office application users to switch to their new fangled 'ribbon menu'
system, losing a host of previous functions in the process and
destroying hundreds of thousand's (millions?) of long term user's
years of application experience and competence.  Those developers must
have just come out of high school and are starting from scratch. I
hope someone does something like that to them in 10 - 15 years.

No, it's not that bad!!!

Many Web pages I save with Seamonkey use a constant page name so if
you are working fast it's now far too easy to overwrite yesterday's
pages or images with today's page (it's in the wrong directory...), or
if you give pages changed, or dated names, they end up in yesterday's
directory. Every done a 'Web Page Complete' save for a complex page
with 15 or 20 sub directories into the wrong directory and then have
to shift everything to the correct  directory?  Just another a tedious
interruption.

I was hoping someone would have a configuration fix for this problem
but I guess not so I'll just have to bite the bullet and switch
permanently to Firefox, and use a separate page editor when needed.

There are also some  image problems I have with Seamonkey that don't
happen in Firefox.  Try accessing this page: 
http://www.kitco.com/charts/livegold.html
with both browsers.   Notice anything missing with Seamonkey?  On mine
I can't see the GIF charts. Maybe it's configuration but both browsers
I have use the  default installation. Chrome and all other browsers
work fine. And there are other Web sites that I have image problems
with Seamonkey, many Wikipedia images for example.

Anyway I shouldn't look a gift horse in the mouth Seamonkey has been a
tremendous 'free' effort by many talented individuals for a long time,
in the big scheme of things my gripes are only minor matters.

Cheers to all,  Doc Crock.




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Re: Re-Open previously closed sites gone from SM 2.5

[Philip TAYLOR]

Daniel wrote:


Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:8.0.1) Gecko/2021 Firefox/8.0.1 
SeaMonkey/2.5
In previous version (2.4.1 maybe), I thought I had the option under the Browsers 
"File" dropdown,
to open previously closed pages but I've tried to do this in 2.5 and I don't 
get the option.


File / Open Web Location / 

(assuming, that is, that by "previously closed pages" you
actually mean "previously opened but currently closed pages").

Philip Taylor
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Re-Open previously closed sites gone from SM 2.5

[Daniel]

Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686 on x86_64; rv:8.0.1) Gecko/2021 
Firefox/8.0.1 SeaMonkey/2.5


In previous version (2.4.1 maybe), I thought I had the option under the 
Browsers "File" dropdown, to open previously closed pages but I've tried 
to do this in 2.5 and I don't get the option. Looking through the 
release notes, I couldn't find any mention of this function being dropped.


Am I imagining things??

I tried to check the release notes for previous SM but the listing of 
older versions has, apparently, been dropped from the 
seamonkey-project.org pages, at least the 8-10 that I checked. I think 
I've still got SM 2.4 on my Win7 partition, so I'll give that a go 
tomorrow evening (if I remember) and see what happens!!


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Re: Alignment Inheritance in HTML 4.01 Tables

[Philip TAYLOR]

Ian Hickson wrote:


This is fixed in the contemporary HTML specification. There's no longer
any "inheritance" of attributes on. In particular, style=""
definitely is not inherited in this manner.


So in :

http://web-consultants.org.uk/sites/tests/H5P-TIT.html

would you assert that Seamonkey 2.5 is failing to following the provisional 
specification ?

Screenshot at :


https://picasaweb.google.com/Chaa006/ScreenCaptures02?authkey=Gv1sRgCLGYuKnM4cuwjQE#5681081683579589490

Philip Taylor
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Re: How to remove Bookmarks button from the toolbar using userChrome.css on Seamonkey 2.5

[Sailfish]

My bloviated meandering follows what Philip Chee graced us with on 
11/30/2011 9:24 PM:

On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 23:38:11 -0500, Ed Mullen wrote:

Robert Kaiser wrote:

Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP] schrieb:

On Wed, 30 Nov 2011 11:57:28 -0800, Sailfish
 wrote:


My bloviated meandering follows what Thee Chicago Wolf [MVP] graced us
with on 11/30/2011 11:36 AM:

Sailfish, you still hanging around? You helped me do this a while back
in Firefox. Well, I tried using the same userChrome.css file I use for
my Firefox 8 install but it doesn't hide the Bookmarks button on the
toolbar for Seamonkey 2.5. Here's how userChrome looks currently:


[snip /]

I thought since Seamonkey 2.5 and Firefox 8 were "the same" that it
would work but apparently now. Any clue on how to accomplish the same
with Seamonkey 2.5?


Adding #bookmarks-button to it ought to work.

Good luck.

Incidentally, is there also a similar one for the Most Visited button?

Why does nobody try to just remove those entries by deleting them (Most
Visited) or using toolbar customization to move them away (bookmarks
button)? I guess you guys just want geeky solutions instead of easy ones...

Robert Kaiser


One of the things that attracted me to Mozilla software in the first 
place was "geeky" control over it that no other program really afforded. 
  So, yeah, and that surely was Mozilla's user base until it decided to 
dumb it down with the Firefox/Thunderbird strategy.


So, you can deride us users who like that fine control but you aren't 
going to endear yourself to us by doing that.  Nor are the devs going to 
appeal to readers of this newsgroup if they hew more toward the Firefox 
mentality and away from the SeaMonkey spirit of letting users control 
their computers and software.


I think Robert is deriding people who when faced with two or more
methods of solving a problem always choose the most difficult or most
involved/intricate one instead of opting for the easiest way.

Not to make too much of an issue on this but the OPs original post 
included a large list of elements that he wanted to hide. In his 
particular case, it seems it is easier for him to simply include other 
elements in his one list than trying to use multiple methods; although, 
he would need to concur with my assumption. It does have merit, I think.


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