Creating New eMail Accounts in 2.162

2013-03-20 Thread ss
Hello all, as I was having challenges with fetching emails for yahoo, I 
decided to add a new email account in SM 2.162 to only find that it will 
only create newsgroup accounts and not email.


Any ideas as to what is going on with this? I currently have eight email 
accounts in SM and six newsgroups. Is eight the limit?


Trying this on my desktop using win 8.

TIA - Bo1953
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Re: Usenet in SM

2013-03-20 Thread Daniel

Jim G. wrote:

Daniel sent the following on Sat, 16 Mar 2013 20:19:02 +1100:

Jim G. wrote:

Snip

Yep. And what time is devoted to things will probably be on the email
side of things, as most people under 35 have probably never even heard
of USENET. Once in a while, I take a look at the web boards on a place
like Reddit and laugh that kids today think that that's a better way
to communicate and exchange ideas online. Oh, well...



Please forgive my ignorance but what's Reddit?? ;-)


The new(er) Digg. It's basically a big news-gathering and -sharing
playground for 20-something-year-old guys and other guys who wish that
they were still 20-something.


Thanks, still don't know, but I'm now pretty sure I don't need to know!!

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Re: Need help to transfer all SM 2.16.2 emails, address books to a new Windows 7 O/S PC

2013-03-20 Thread Daniel

cqbrodie wrote:

Hi!
I have an old windows XP with svc pk3 PC (32 bit) and a new PC with
windows 7 (64bit).
How can I transfer all 4 separate email accounts  address books from
one PC to another.
thanks for any help
Cliff


Cliff, one way of doing it would be to set up SM on your new computer 
and give it the four profiles, if you still need them (Tools-Switch 
Profiles-Manage Profiles-Create Profiles) and, on the second screen, 
where you give a name to each profile, put the profile wherever you want.


Then, make use of MozBackup, downloadable from 
http://sourceforge.net/projects/mozbackup/, install it on both systems, 
use it to archive your current profiles, copy them to your new system 
and use MozBackup to extract the profiles to the locations you selected 
when installing SM on the new system.


HTH!

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Re: Preferences dialogs

2013-03-20 Thread Rob
Rufus n...@home.com wrote:
 However, external usenet servers cannot be configured because the
 network does not allow connections from the workstations to the internet.
 (browsing is via a proxy server)
 Most business networks at least have a firewall.

 In my environment it would be possible to get around that because of how 
 we configure...and most certainly for an employee that took his issue 
 laptop home and operated on/from/with his own home net ISP - which we 
 have ways to do, for work from home.

That is actually quite dangerous.  When you value the integrity of
the network, you should not allow the end-users to install software
and change network settings to have direct connections to the internet.
It is practically unavoidable to get malware that way.

When our users take their laptop home, they connect to the company
via a VPN and all activity is via the company proxy and firewall, so
all scanning and filtering is in effect.  Users are not administrators
of their laptop.  The firewall on the laptop does not allow any internet
traffic except to our VPN server.

When personal devices are taken into the company, they cannot connect to
the LAN.  They can use the WiFi to connect to the internet, and there
they can use the access to applications that is available for internet
users (like webmail).

This isolation is very important.  Many companies who did not do this
have been in the news as having been hacked.
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Re: Preferences dialogs

2013-03-20 Thread Rob
Rufus n...@home.com wrote:
 Philip Chee wrote:
 On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:32:44 -1000, Geoff Welsh wrote:

 Ray_Net wrote:
 GW
 (who loves Tabs even more than sliced bread)

 I love tabs too. But I think sliced bread is slightly more edible.

 Phil


 I prefer to slice my own bread, but I really wish I could open Mail/News 
 in a Tab instead of a window...and I seem to recall someone saying there 
 is an existing SM roadmap item to to just that.

There are never enough preferences.
I like tabs in the browser and I don't like the fact that the tab bar
disappears when only one tab is open.  There is a pref to force it to
always show the tabs, but it works both in the browser and the mail/news.
I don't want tabs in mail/news except maybe when mail/news would be a
tab in the browser.  So there should now at least be 3 prefs: one to
force tabs in the browser, one to do it in te mail, and one to make
mail/news a tab in the browser.

When there are checkmarks for all those things, many users would be
overwhelmed and some types of users just toggle checkmarks semi-randomly
to see what they do.  When they don't see an immediate effect they leave
it as is and later are faced with a change they don't know how to undo.
I think that is what the article is about.
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Re: Creating New eMail Accounts in 2.162

2013-03-20 Thread Daniel

ss wrote:

Hello all, as I was having challenges with fetching emails for yahoo, I
decided to add a new email account in SM 2.162 to only find that it will
only create newsgroup accounts and not email.

Any ideas as to what is going on with this? I currently have eight email
accounts in SM and six newsgroups. Is eight the limit?

Trying this on my desktop using win 8.

TIA - Bo1953


SS, no, eight is not the limit, it's just that SM has a problem in that 
it thinks once you've set up your first news account, all following 
accounts will be news!!


However, SS, back on 24 Jan 2013, in the thread Can't add second email 
account, NoOp replied to a similar question


Quote
Unfortunately it's an old issue:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.15/#issues

After creating a news account through clicking a news URL, the MailNews
account wizard may be broken (the account type will always be News). To
work around the problem, set the mail.server.serverX.valid pref (where X
is the internal number of the corresponding news account) to true in
about:config, or delete the invalid news account (bug 521861).

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=521861
[ After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard
is broken (skips account type selection, bound to invalid news account)]
End Quote

HTH

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Re: message with some char baldly displayed

2013-03-20 Thread tuxidou
Dne pondělí, 18. března 2013 11:15:38 UTC+1 cyberzen napsal(a):
 hi,
 
 a message received from AOL 9.0 VR sub 5200
 
 shows some chars badly displayed
 
 I tried to change the encoding with no success
 
 
 
 But curiously the print preview is fine
 
 
 
 with ctrl U :
 
 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
 
 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
 
 
 
 I have no explanation
 
 -- 
 
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Hi,

I have similar problem:
- messages from various sender (no AOL :-)
- diacritics in message panel is broken

but in Print preview, Reply, Forward, View Message Source - diacritics is 
correct

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16.2

Previous versions of SeaMonkey were OK...
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SMTP stopped working

2013-03-20 Thread user

smtp.comcast.net stopped connecting...
email is still received o.k...
Thi happened on 3 PCs running Seamonkey and Windows 7..

What can be done to fix
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Re: Need help to transfer all SM 2.16.2 emails, address books to a new Windows 7 O/S PC

2013-03-20 Thread Ray Davison

Daniel wrote:

cqbrodie wrote:

Then, make use of MozBackup, downloadable from
http://sourceforge.net/projects/mozbackup/, install it on both systems,
use it to archive your current profiles, copy them to your new system
and use MozBackup to extract the profiles to the locations you selected
when installing SM on the new system.


You are working too hard.  A profile is just a sub-directory.  Copy it 
to wherever you want, and name it whatever you want.  Then in Create 
Profile  Chose Folder, select that sub-directory.


Ray


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Re: Usenet in SM

2013-03-20 Thread GerardJan

Jim G. wrote:

David E. Ross sent the following on Fri, 15 Mar 2013 17:55:51 -0700:

On 3/15/13 12:53 PM, Jim G. wrote [in part]:


I suspect that very few people run multiple profiles, so I can see why
that might also be a low priority item. Certainly no one I know outside
of the tech field does, anyway.


I prefer to run with images and cookies restricted to the domain of the
page I am viewing and with no popups.  However, four financial
institutions with which I have accounts require unrestricted images,
cookies, and popups.  So I access my financial accounts in a separate
profile.


Fair enough. For stuff requiring additional security or Java, I use a
separate profile, too. But it's also a different browser. Yeah, I use
Firefox and some additional add-ons for stuff like that. :)


I also have a guest profile for my adult son and daughter for when they
visit.


Again, fair enough. But I don't know anyone who would visit me without
bringing his or her own machine along, so it's never been an issue.


Ditto all of this for my wife's installation of SeaMonkey on her PC.


In any case, it's worth noting that profiles still work, even if a
graphic somewhere is old and inconsistent with the new look. It's also
worth noting that you're here, which means that you're probably not the
typical SeaMonkey user, as that person is probably completely unaware
that this support group even exists, let alone how to access it via
SeaMonkey. So how you handle things is likely to be very different from
how the average user handles them.




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Re: Preferences dialogs

2013-03-20 Thread Rufus

Rob wrote:

Rufus n...@home.com wrote:

However, external usenet servers cannot be configured because the
network does not allow connections from the workstations to the internet.
(browsing is via a proxy server)
Most business networks at least have a firewall.


In my environment it would be possible to get around that because of how
we configure...and most certainly for an employee that took his issue
laptop home and operated on/from/with his own home net ISP - which we
have ways to do, for work from home.


That is actually quite dangerous.  When you value the integrity of
the network, you should not allow the end-users to install software
and change network settings to have direct connections to the internet.
It is practically unavoidable to get malware that way.



Which is and will always be a real concern if one allows the user to 
roam with a mobile device, and why we can only get Firefox from our own 
internal servers.  Even though we can grab pictures, .pdfs, etc. from 
about anywhere.  Which yes - is another hole.



When our users take their laptop home, they connect to the company
via a VPN and all activity is via the company proxy and firewall, so
all scanning and filtering is in effect.  Users are not administrators
of their laptop.  The firewall on the laptop does not allow any internet
traffic except to our VPN server.



...and there's an additional issue if you also allow the user to access 
your VPN using their home machine - which is why there can still be 
holes in a roaming situation, IMO.



When personal devices are taken into the company, they cannot connect to
the LAN.  They can use the WiFi to connect to the internet, and there
they can use the access to applications that is available for internet
users (like webmail).



We don't allow personal devices on our premises.  Period.  They have to 
be left in at home, or in the car.  It *is* possible for internal users 
to access webmail, but we're on our honor not to do so.



This isolation is very important.  Many companies who did not do this
have been in the news as having been hacked.



Yup.  Because there is *always* a way in if someone targets you hard.

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Re: Preferences dialogs

2013-03-20 Thread Rufus

Rob wrote:

Rufus n...@home.com wrote:

Philip Chee wrote:

On Tue, 19 Mar 2013 15:32:44 -1000, Geoff Welsh wrote:


Ray_Net wrote:
GW
(who loves Tabs even more than sliced bread)


I love tabs too. But I think sliced bread is slightly more edible.

Phil



I prefer to slice my own bread, but I really wish I could open Mail/News
in a Tab instead of a window...and I seem to recall someone saying there
is an existing SM roadmap item to to just that.


There are never enough preferences.
I like tabs in the browser and I don't like the fact that the tab bar
disappears when only one tab is open.  There is a pref to force it to
always show the tabs, but it works both in the browser and the mail/news.
I don't want tabs in mail/news except maybe when mail/news would be a
tab in the browser.  So there should now at least be 3 prefs: one to
force tabs in the browser, one to do it in te mail, and one to make
mail/news a tab in the browser.



Agreed!


When there are checkmarks for all those things, many users would be
overwhelmed and some types of users just toggle checkmarks semi-randomly
to see what they do.  When they don't see an immediate effect they leave
it as is and later are faced with a change they don't know how to undo.
I think that is what the article is about.



...and a big reason why I like the Opera about:config reset to defaults 
implementation.


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Re: Preferences dialogs

2013-03-20 Thread Rob
Rufus n...@home.com wrote:
 When our users take their laptop home, they connect to the company
 via a VPN and all activity is via the company proxy and firewall, so
 all scanning and filtering is in effect.  Users are not administrators
 of their laptop.  The firewall on the laptop does not allow any internet
 traffic except to our VPN server.


 ...and there's an additional issue if you also allow the user to access 
 your VPN using their home machine - which is why there can still be 
 holes in a roaming situation, IMO.

Of course we don't allow that.  And users cannot do it themselves because
they cannot generate the required certificate that will be trusted.
There really are two worlds: the managed PCs that are part of the domain
and completely locked down (including the laptops that can roam but
only to connect to the company network via VPN), and the private unmanaged
PCs that can only access applications via the internet, and these are
either web apps (like webmail) or Citrix ICA.  The ICA sessions do not
map local resources, they are only screen/keyboard/mouse sessions.

 When personal devices are taken into the company, they cannot connect to
 the LAN.  They can use the WiFi to connect to the internet, and there
 they can use the access to applications that is available for internet
 users (like webmail).


 We don't allow personal devices on our premises.  Period.  They have to 
 be left in at home, or in the car.  It *is* possible for internal users 
 to access webmail, but we're on our honor not to do so.

It has been like that for a long time, and for employees of the company
it is unusual to bring their own equipment, but it is quite customary
for consultants, accountants etc to bring their own laptop and I am
amazed how often they don't have their own mobile internet and depend
on the local WiFi.
One time it has happened that an accountant came in with a trojaned laptop
that was sending spam.  He knew about it but could not get it fixed himself.
Those people have long lists of requirements for IT security
certification, but they have their laptops unprotected.  We now have a
different accountant.

 This isolation is very important.  Many companies who did not do this
 have been in the news as having been hacked.

 Yup.  Because there is *always* a way in if someone targets you hard.

I have read about many cases where the entry was made possible by
lousy system administration, including having the users operate as
administrator or power user, allowing the execution of programs from
other places than local directories the user cannot write to, allowing
the download or mailing of executable programs, not installing hotfixes,
etc etc.  It may be true that you cannot detect and prevent *everything*,
but in my opinion that is no excuse for doing nothing.
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Re: SMTP stopped working

2013-03-20 Thread Cruz, Jaime

user@domain.invalid wrote:

smtp.comcast.net stopped connecting...
email is still received o.k...
Thi happened on 3 PCs running Seamonkey and Windows 7..

What can be done to fix


Call Comcast and ask them what the hell is going on.  Problem is in the 
server, nothing else you can do about it.


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Re: SMTP stopped working

2013-03-20 Thread Paul B. Gallagher

Cruz, Jaime wrote:


user@domain.invalid wrote:

smtp.comcast.net stopped connecting...
email is still received o.k...
Thi happened on 3 PCs running Seamonkey and Windows 7..

What can be done to fix


Call Comcast and ask them what the hell is going on.  Problem is in the
server, nothing else you can do about it.


Yes, ask them for the correct settings -- ISPs sometimes change them and 
users don't always pay attention to the notices.


But don't tell them you use SeaMonkey, many ISPs will throw up their 
hands and refuse to talk to you if you do. Just ask generic questions 
such as what is the correct port? that can be answered without 
reference to your email client.


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Re: SMTP stopped working

2013-03-20 Thread Beauregard T. Shagnasty
Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

 But don't tell them you use SeaMonkey, many ISPs will throw up their
 hands and refuse to talk to you if you do.

But if they *do* ask, say Outlook Express!;-)

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Re: Preferences dialogs

2013-03-20 Thread Ray_Net

Geoff Welsh wrote, On 20/03/2013 02:32:

Ray_Net wrote:


An example of the huge list of option to be positionned:
I hate tabs - and it would be very nice to have an option that says [ ]
use tabs
If that box is unchecked, all other tab options should be disabled and
greyed.



By simply not opening any tabs, isn't one inherently selecting that 
(imaginary) selection?  Or have you found some way to accidentally 
open tabs that pisses you off?


GW
(who loves Tabs even more than sliced bread)
I really don't need tabs because in my taskbar, when my mouse go over 
the the SM icon, windows7 show me all the opened windows with long title 
text - this is not the case with tabs.

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Re: Creating New eMail Accounts in 2.162

2013-03-20 Thread Ray_Net

Daniel wrote, On 20/03/2013 10:39:

ss wrote:

Hello all, as I was having challenges with fetching emails for yahoo, I
decided to add a new email account in SM 2.162 to only find that it will
only create newsgroup accounts and not email.

Any ideas as to what is going on with this? I currently have eight email
accounts in SM and six newsgroups. Is eight the limit?

Trying this on my desktop using win 8.

TIA - Bo1953


SS, no, eight is not the limit, it's just that SM has a problem in 
that it thinks once you've set up your first news account, all 
following accounts will be news!!


However, SS, back on 24 Jan 2013, in the thread Can't add second 
email account, NoOp replied to a similar question


Quote
Unfortunately it's an old issue:
http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.15/#issues

After creating a news account through clicking a news URL, the MailNews
account wizard may be broken (the account type will always be News). To
work around the problem, set the mail.server.serverX.valid pref (where X
is the internal number of the corresponding news account) to true in
about:config, or delete the invalid news account (bug 521861).

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=521861
[ After creating news account through clicking news URL Account Wizard
is broken (skips account type selection, bound to invalid news account)]
End Quote

HTH

Nobody want to correct this bug ? Developpers think with that bug not 
corrected that SM is a GOOD product ?


How many votes is needed to have the bug corrected ?
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Re: SMTP stopped working

2013-03-20 Thread Ray_Net

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote, On 20/03/2013 22:25:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


But don't tell them you use SeaMonkey, many ISPs will throw up their
hands and refuse to talk to you if you do.

But if they *do* ask, say Outlook Express!;-)


He could also say that he had followed the comcast instructions here:
http://customer.comcast.com/help-and-support/internet/setting-up-outlook-2010/

But on the comcast site i found also 
http://customer.comcast.com/help-and-support/internet/configure-outlook-express-xfinity-internet

with a different setting for the smtp part.
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Re: message with some char baldly displayed

2013-03-20 Thread Ray_Net

tuxi...@gmail.com wrote, On 20/03/2013 12:33:

Dne pondělí, 18. března 2013 11:15:38 UTC+1 cyberzen napsal(a):

hi,

a message received from AOL 9.0 VR sub 5200

shows some chars badly displayed

I tried to change the encoding with no success



But curiously the print preview is fine



with ctrl U :

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1

Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



I have no explanation

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Hi,

I have similar problem:
- messages from various sender (no AOL :-)
- diacritics in message panel is broken

but in Print preview, Reply, Forward, View Message Source - diacritics is 
correct

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:19.0) Gecko/20100101 
Firefox/19.0 SeaMonkey/2.16.2

Previous versions of SeaMonkey were OK...

Did you say that this problem is another SM one ?
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Re: SMTP stopped working

2013-03-20 Thread David H. Durgee

Ray_Net wrote:

Beauregard T. Shagnasty wrote, On 20/03/2013 22:25:

Paul B. Gallagher wrote:


But don't tell them you use SeaMonkey, many ISPs will throw up their
hands and refuse to talk to you if you do.

But if they *do* ask, say Outlook Express!;-)


He could also say that he had followed the comcast instructions here:
http://customer.comcast.com/help-and-support/internet/setting-up-outlook-2010/


But on the comcast site i found also
http://customer.comcast.com/help-and-support/internet/configure-outlook-express-xfinity-internet

with a different setting for the smtp part.


I just tested this using the following:

openssl s_client -connect smtp.comcast.net:465

This did connect to the server and after a few seconds I got the prompt:

220 omta20.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net comcast ESMTP server ready

So it appears that you want port 465 with SSL/TLS specified for the 
connection security.


Dave
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Re: Preferences dialogs

2013-03-20 Thread Rufus

Rob wrote:

Rufus n...@home.com wrote:

When our users take their laptop home, they connect to the company
via a VPN and all activity is via the company proxy and firewall, so
all scanning and filtering is in effect.  Users are not administrators
of their laptop.  The firewall on the laptop does not allow any internet
traffic except to our VPN server.



...and there's an additional issue if you also allow the user to access
your VPN using their home machine - which is why there can still be
holes in a roaming situation, IMO.


Of course we don't allow that.  And users cannot do it themselves because
they cannot generate the required certificate that will be trusted.
There really are two worlds: the managed PCs that are part of the domain
and completely locked down (including the laptops that can roam but
only to connect to the company network via VPN), and the private unmanaged
PCs that can only access applications via the internet, and these are
either web apps (like webmail) or Citrix ICA.  The ICA sessions do not
map local resources, they are only screen/keyboard/mouse sessions.



What do you do for business travel?  We're stuck between total 
lock-down, and reliance on a combination of user vigilance and 
certificates.  But the user is allowed enough freedom to access the open 
web...managed or not.


This is where SM's usenet ability is a problem for us, IMO...and why 
Firefox is ok, but SM is not.  Outlook can be locked down, but not so 
with SM...at least not as far as I can see.



When personal devices are taken into the company, they cannot connect to
the LAN.  They can use the WiFi to connect to the internet, and there
they can use the access to applications that is available for internet
users (like webmail).



We don't allow personal devices on our premises.  Period.  They have to
be left in at home, or in the car.  It *is* possible for internal users
to access webmail, but we're on our honor not to do so.


It has been like that for a long time, and for employees of the company
it is unusual to bring their own equipment, but it is quite customary
for consultants, accountants etc to bring their own laptop and I am
amazed how often they don't have their own mobile internet and depend
on the local WiFi.


We're experimenting in limited areas with using iPads...I *REALLY* wish 
I could use an iPad on the job, but so far I think everyone is still 
scratching their heads as to how to secure both the device and corporate 
wifi.



One time it has happened that an accountant came in with a trojaned laptop
that was sending spam.  He knew about it but could not get it fixed himself.
Those people have long lists of requirements for IT security
certification, but they have their laptops unprotected.  We now have a
different accountant.



External (non-owned) devices are simply not allowed to connect in any 
manner, in our case.



This isolation is very important.  Many companies who did not do this
have been in the news as having been hacked.


Yup.  Because there is *always* a way in if someone targets you hard.


I have read about many cases where the entry was made possible by
lousy system administration, including having the users operate as
administrator or power user, allowing the execution of programs from
other places than local directories the user cannot write to, allowing
the download or mailing of executable programs, not installing hotfixes,
etc etc.  It may be true that you cannot detect and prevent *everything*,
but in my opinion that is no excuse for doing nothing.



Yup.  But no matter what you do, someone else will eventually out-do 
you.  So your only real defense is to remain vigilant.


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Very Slow Browsing

2013-03-20 Thread Cecil Bankston
I am using SM 2.16.2 with Windows 7 Pro.  Browsing the internet or 
loading of images by email messages has become very slow on my system. 
A page that may load in 5 sec. in Internet Explorer can take 30+ seconds 
in Seamonkey.  I also notice the busy indicator next to the cursor in SM 
Mail is spinning almost constantly.  What might be causes and solutions 
for this slow performance?

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Re: Very Slow Browsing

2013-03-20 Thread WaltS

On 03/20/2013 09:01 PM, Cecil Bankston wrote:

I am using SM 2.16.2 with Windows 7 Pro.  Browsing the internet or
loading of images by email messages has become very slow on my system.
A page that may load in 5 sec. in Internet Explorer can take 30+ seconds
in Seamonkey.  I also notice the busy indicator next to the cursor in SM
Mail is spinning almost constantly.  What might be causes and solutions
for this slow performance?



Busy Cursor is a known issue.

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=727414

Follow standard troubleshooting procedure to see if that helps the lag.

http://www.seamonkey-project.org/releases/seamonkey2.1/#troubleshooting

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Re: Usenet in SM

2013-03-20 Thread Ant

On 3/19/2013 12:40 PM PT, Jim G. typed:


Yep. And what time is devoted to things will probably be on the email
side of things, as most people under 35 have probably never even heard
of USENET. Once in a while, I take a look at the web boards on a place
like Reddit and laugh that kids today think that that's a better way
to communicate and exchange ideas online. Oh, well...


Please forgive my ignorance but what's Reddit?? ;-)


The new(er) Digg. It's basically a big news-gathering and -sharing
playground for 20-something-year-old guys and other guys who wish that
they were still 20-something.


I used to use Digg until they went downhill withi its v4 and revamped 
the whole thing. I switched to Reddit like most Diggers. I still use 
newsgroups/usenet, /., IRC, text based programs, SSH2, etc. :)

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