Re: Can't reach some websites

[Lee]

On 10/30/19, Nuno Silva  wrote:
> On 2019-11-30, Jeffry Wisnia wrote:
>
>> Suddenly I'm seeing just a page with the message below when trying to
>> open just a couple of websites I've reached for years using SeaMonkey
>> and Windows XP. Other websites open normally.
>>
>> The message I get is:
>> *
>> Secure Connection Failed
>> An error occurred during a connection to www.td.com.
>> The OCSP response contains out-of-date information.
>> Error code: > title="SEC_ERROR_OCSP_OLD_RESPONSE">SEC_ERROR_OCSP_OLD_RESPONSE
>> The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the
>> authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
>> Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.
>> *
>> What's this mean and how do I fix it? Thanks.
>
> Could it be a clock sync problem? Your clock seems to be set to
> 2019-11-30, not 2019-10-30. That would explain the "out-of-date".

Good catch.  I get the same error if I set the date forward a month

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Re: what is realistic for the next release?

[David E. Ross]

On 10/30/2019 2:08 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
> Onno Ekker wrote:
>> Op 30-10-2019 om 00:08 schreef Frank-Rainer Grahl:
>>> Hawker wrote:
>>>
>>> FRG
>>
>> Could you also elaborate a bit on what's realistic for extension
>> developers? My extension is compatible with Thunderbird 52, 60 and 68,
>> and also with SeaMonkey 2.49 and 2.53, but in order to be compatible
>> with multiple versions I detect the Gecko version and that will probably
>> fail for SeaMonkey 2.53 when it stays on Gecko 52 (or is it 60?) and it
>> backports functionality from TB/Gecko 60+.
> 
> 2.49 is at the end of its life when the first 2.53.1 will be released. 2.53.1 
> already switched the gecko version to 60 because major websites are doing 
> more 
> than stupid ua sniffing.
> 
> For 2.53.1 we backport but only the "good" stuff. There should be no breakage 
> if it already works. Things like ChromeUtils.Import have been backported. The 
> remaining 60 ChromeUtils enhancements are on the list. Just a matter of time.
> 
> 2.57 is still way off. We are currently removing rdf support but to be usable 
> it needs webextension support. I don't have an ETA.
> 
> 68+ (would be SeaMonkey 2.65) and deprecation of XUL extensions is currently 
> not being worked on. Frankly I can't tell you what happens after 2.57. We 
> could make SeaMonkey compatible but this would drop a lot of current 
> functionality. Currently 68 and up is broken.
> 
> Personally I don't care about anything beyond 2.57. Mozilla did a good job to 
> scare me off with the post 60 changes (and some of the 57 to 60 stupid ones 
> too like viewsource in a tab only).
> 
> Any enhancements for 2.53 go into the later releases too. When we are at 2.57 
> we need to decide about the future. Can only speak for myself but I wish I 
> had 
> a firm plan.
> 
> In any case nothing to worry about in the, lets say, next 2-3 years. 2.53.1 
> is 
> working really well and I enjoy working on and with it very much. I think the 
> same is true for the other team members.
> 
> FRG
> 

Will there be xul extension support in 2.53 to the same extent it is
supported in 2.49?

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Re: Can't reach some websites

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Jeffry Wisnia wrote:


Lee wrote:

pingwww.td.com


When I tried that I ended up at:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fping+www.td.com%2F=seamonkey=web 



Which doesen't mean much to me.


That's not what he said:


Try doing 'ping www.td.com' ***from the command prompt*** and see
what IP address you get

Emphasis mine. Key error here: you didn't do it from a command prompt.

On Windows, press the Windows key, then "R" and enter "cmd" in the input 
window, hit Enter.


In the window that opens, type "ping www.td.com" WITH a space and 
WITHOUT the quotation marks. Hit Enter. When I do it, I get:


Pinging e307.b.akamaiedge.net [173.223.16.47] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 173.223.16.47: bytes=32 time=10ms TTL=59
Reply from 173.223.16.47: bytes=32 time=12ms TTL=59
Reply from 173.223.16.47: bytes=32 time=14ms TTL=59
Reply from 173.223.16.47: bytes=32 time=16ms TTL=59

Ping statistics for 173.223.16.47:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 10ms, Maximum = 16ms, Average = 13ms

How about you?

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Seamonkey Mail crashes at opening

[BigBlue]

[Seamonkey 2.49.5 on Windows 10 (up to date)]

I've used Seamonkey for many years, mainly for the Mail client. Love it. For 
the past couple of months I've had problems when starting Mail (using v2.49.2) 
where it would crash almost immediately after opening. It would, however, 
instantiate the Mail window for a second or so, and sometimes if I clicked into 
a folder in one of my mail accounts in that initial second it would just work 
normally. Usually took me 4-6 startup attempts to get it to stay running. Once 
running it was mostly solid for until I rebooted or exited Mail. Nothing else 
was affected. I could run Browser, Address Book, Composer just fine all the 
time.

Yesterday I realized that Seamonkey was no longer auto-updating so I updated 
manually to 2.49.5 (latest). With this version the crashes still happen but are 
now immediate after launching it (either directly via the -mail flag or by 
clicking the envelope icon in Browser). It doesn't launch the window at all now 
so my trick above is useless.

I tried all the usual troubleshooting steps:

 - Start with a new profile. With a new profile it will run Mail one time, but 
on the next launch it goes back to crashing. This is regardless of whether I 
set up a mail account or not. 
 - Clean install, by doing full uninstall and removing the 
C:\Users\myuser\AppData\Local\Mozilla\Seamonkey\Profiles\ folder 
entirely. Same as above.
 - Run Windows in safe mode. Same result.
 - Revert back to 2.49.2. Same result.
 - Disable hardware acceleration. Same.
 - Disable my antivirus software. Same.
 
Bear in mind that at this point I have zero mail accounts set up and am totally 
default on all Seamonkey settings, with nothing added or changed. The only way 
I can get it to work now is by starting Seamonkey in safe mode. When I do that 
it works fine. But obviously this is not ideal, especially since it won't save 
any UI changes between sessions (reordering columns, expanding e-mail account 
trees, etc.). I have configured my mail accounts while in Seamonkey safe mode 
and things work great between starts as long as I use safe mode every time. It 
is just the lack of control on the above that I don't like. I suppose I could 
just always run it in safe mode and get used to the lack of ability to change 
things, but I'm bothered by the whole situation.

Since I did a full uninstall/reinstall and did not add any themes or add-ons I 
know those are not the issue. So what else is it about safe mode that could 
allow mail to start when all of the other things are ruled out?

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Re: Can't reach some websites

[Jeffry Wisnia]

Lee wrote:

pingwww.td.com


When I tried that I ended up at:

https://duckduckgo.com/?q=https%3A%2F%2Fping+www.td.com%2F=seamonkey=web

Which doesen't mean much to me.
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Re: Can't reach some websites

[Nuno Silva]

On 2019-11-30, Jeffry Wisnia wrote:

> Suddenly I'm seeing just a page with the message below when trying to
> open just a couple of websites I've reached for years using SeaMonkey
> and Windows XP. Other websites open normally.
>
> The message I get is:
> *
> Secure Connection Failed
> An error occurred during a connection to www.td.com.
> The OCSP response contains out-of-date information.
> Error code:  title="SEC_ERROR_OCSP_OLD_RESPONSE">SEC_ERROR_OCSP_OLD_RESPONSE
> The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the
> authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
> Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.
> *
> What's this mean and how do I fix it? Thanks.

Could it be a clock sync problem? Your clock seems to be set to
2019-11-30, not 2019-10-30. That would explain the "out-of-date".

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Re: what is realistic for the next release?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

Onno Ekker wrote:

Op 30-10-2019 om 00:08 schreef Frank-Rainer Grahl:

Hawker wrote:

FRG


Could you also elaborate a bit on what's realistic for extension
developers? My extension is compatible with Thunderbird 52, 60 and 68,
and also with SeaMonkey 2.49 and 2.53, but in order to be compatible
with multiple versions I detect the Gecko version and that will probably
fail for SeaMonkey 2.53 when it stays on Gecko 52 (or is it 60?) and it
backports functionality from TB/Gecko 60+.


2.49 is at the end of its life when the first 2.53.1 will be released. 2.53.1 
already switched the gecko version to 60 because major websites are doing more 
than stupid ua sniffing.


For 2.53.1 we backport but only the "good" stuff. There should be no breakage 
if it already works. Things like ChromeUtils.Import have been backported. The 
remaining 60 ChromeUtils enhancements are on the list. Just a matter of time.


2.57 is still way off. We are currently removing rdf support but to be usable 
it needs webextension support. I don't have an ETA.


68+ (would be SeaMonkey 2.65) and deprecation of XUL extensions is currently 
not being worked on. Frankly I can't tell you what happens after 2.57. We 
could make SeaMonkey compatible but this would drop a lot of current 
functionality. Currently 68 and up is broken.


Personally I don't care about anything beyond 2.57. Mozilla did a good job to 
scare me off with the post 60 changes (and some of the 57 to 60 stupid ones 
too like viewsource in a tab only).


Any enhancements for 2.53 go into the later releases too. When we are at 2.57 
we need to decide about the future. Can only speak for myself but I wish I had 
a firm plan.


In any case nothing to worry about in the, lets say, next 2-3 years. 2.53.1 is 
working really well and I enjoy working on and with it very much. I think the 
same is true for the other team members.


FRG
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Re: Can't reach some websites

[Lee]

On 11/30/19, Jeffry Wisnia  wrote:
>
> When the OCSP boxes are checked I can't reach the website. If I uncheck
> them I can.

The benign explanation would be that it's an akami issue:
$ dig www.td.com.
   <.. snip ..>
;; ANSWER SECTION:
www.td.com. 300 IN  CNAME   www.td.com.edgekey.net.
www.td.com.edgekey.net. 900 IN  CNAME   e307.b.akamaiedge.net.
e307.b.akamaiedge.net.  300 IN  A   104.98.162.157

which would explain why you get an ocsp error & I don't - we're not
hitting the same server.  Try doing 'ping www.td.com' from the command
prompt and see what IP address you get..

fwiw I wouldn't risk signing in until everything is fixed.

Lee

>
>
> Paul B. Gallagher wrote:
>> Jeffry Wisnia wrote:
>>
>>> Suddenly I'm seeing just a page with the message below when trying to
>>> open just a couple of websites I've reached for years using SeaMonkey
>>> and Windows XP. Other websites open normally.
>>
>> I have no problem reaching the linked site; it automatically redirects
>> to . If others can reach it
>> too, the problem is probably local.
>>
>> What are your settings at Edit | Preferences | Privacy & Security |
>> Certificates? I have both OCSP boxes checked and it doesn't prevent me
>> from accessing the site.
>>
>>>
>>> The message I get is:
>>> *
>>> Secure Connection Failed
>>> An error occurred during a connection to www.td.com.
>>> The OCSP response contains out-of-date information.
>>> Error code: >> title="SEC_ERROR_OCSP_OLD_RESPONSE">SEC_ERROR_OCSP_OLD_RESPONSE
>>> The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the
>>> authenticity of the received data could not be verified.
>>>  Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.
>>> *
>>> What's this mean and how do I fix it? Thanks.
>>
>>
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Re: Can't reach some websites

[Jeffry Wisnia]

When the OCSP boxes are checked I can't reach the website. If I uncheck 
them I can.



Paul B. Gallagher wrote:

Jeffry Wisnia wrote:

Suddenly I'm seeing just a page with the message below when trying to 
open just a couple of websites I've reached for years using SeaMonkey 
and Windows XP. Other websites open normally.


I have no problem reaching the linked site; it automatically redirects 
to . If others can reach it 
too, the problem is probably local.


What are your settings at Edit | Preferences | Privacy & Security | 
Certificates? I have both OCSP boxes checked and it doesn't prevent me 
from accessing the site.




The message I get is:
*
Secure Connection Failed
An error occurred during a connection to www.td.com.
The OCSP response contains out-of-date information.
Error code: title="SEC_ERROR_OCSP_OLD_RESPONSE">SEC_ERROR_OCSP_OLD_RESPONSE
The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the 
authenticity of the received data could not be verified.

 Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.
*
What's this mean and how do I fix it? Thanks.





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Re: Can't reach some websites

[Paul B. Gallagher]

Jeffry Wisnia wrote:

Suddenly I'm seeing just a page with the message below when trying to 
open just a couple of websites I've reached for years using SeaMonkey 
and Windows XP. Other websites open normally.


I have no problem reaching the linked site; it automatically redirects 
to . If others can reach it 
too, the problem is probably local.


What are your settings at Edit | Preferences | Privacy & Security | 
Certificates? I have both OCSP boxes checked and it doesn't prevent me 
from accessing the site.




The message I get is:
*
Secure Connection Failed
An error occurred during a connection to www.td.com.
The OCSP response contains out-of-date information.
Error code: title="SEC_ERROR_OCSP_OLD_RESPONSE">SEC_ERROR_OCSP_OLD_RESPONSE
The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity 
of the received data could not be verified.

     Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.
*
What's this mean and how do I fix it? Thanks.



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Re: what is realistic for the next release?

[Onno Ekker]

Op 30-10-2019 om 00:08 schreef Frank-Rainer Grahl:
> Hawker wrote:
>> I'm sticking with 2.49.5 right now. I don't really want to move to the
>> newer builds until they are more official I don't think.
>>
>> That said there is an increasing number of websites that no longer
>> work in SM with any UI string that work in FireFox.  I wonder how many
>> of them will be fixed in a newer SM but not sure how much longer I can
>> wait.
>>
>> So what is realistic? Will we have a 2.5x.y build some time in the
>> next 6 months or what is realistic?
>>
>> And if I do want to try something built on a newer engine what version
>> of SM is the safest yet sufficiently newer for Windowz 7?  And where
>> should I get it from?
>>
> 
> We are wanting to do at least 2 2.53.1 betas this year. Basically Bills
> 2.53.1 will become an official release. A few private patches from me /
> Bill and work in progress fixes will be dropped from it then.
> 
> http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/
> 
> We are currently fixing and backporting bugs left and right. In parallel
> we are setting up an official gitlab repo for it. We don't want to check
> in around 3000 patches into a release branch in the official mozilla
> repos. The gods owning them might not be amused then.
> 
> All fixes for SeaMonkey go into the later branches too but 2.57 is not
> usable yet with mail broken.
> 
> Yesterdays 2.53.1 had a bug with mail delete. Next one will fix it.
> 
> If you try it please backup your profile. You will not be able to go
> back to 2.49.5. Will be upgraded (compatible with the upcoming official).
> 
> If you use a master paxsword remove it before upgrading and reapply later.
> 
> 
> FRG

Could you also elaborate a bit on what's realistic for extension
developers? My extension is compatible with Thunderbird 52, 60 and 68,
and also with SeaMonkey 2.49 and 2.53, but in order to be compatible
with multiple versions I detect the Gecko version and that will probably
fail for SeaMonkey 2.53 when it stays on Gecko 52 (or is it 60?) and it
backports functionality from TB/Gecko 60+.

Also TB developers have announced that they will drop support for XUL
overlay extensions in TB 71 beta, so I have little motivation in
updating my extension at all, but I don't want to leave my SeaMonkey
userbase in the cold either...

Onno
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Re: Can't reach some websites

[David E. Ross]

On 11/30/2019 11:03 AM, Jeffry Wisnia wrote:
> Suddenly I'm seeing just a page with the message below when trying to 
> open just a couple of websites I've reached for years using SeaMonkey 
> and Windows XP. Other websites open normally.
> 
> The message I get is:
> *
> Secure Connection Failed
> An error occurred during a connection to www.td.com.
> The OCSP response contains out-of-date information.
> Error code:  title="SEC_ERROR_OCSP_OLD_RESPONSE">SEC_ERROR_OCSP_OLD_RESPONSE
> The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity 
> of the received data could not be verified.
>  Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.
> *
> What's this mean and how do I fix it? Thanks.
> 

This indicates that a secure HTTP connection could not be established
with the Web server.  There are two things you might try.

1.  Using a WhoIs Web site or application, locate a contact E-mail
address for the domain, best if a technical administrator.  Send an
E-mail with a diplomatic complaint, including the error message.  This
is the most safe way to handle the problem.

2.  Disable OCSP checking.  On the SeaMonkey menu bar, select [Edit >
Preferences].  On the left side of the Preferences window, select
[Privacy & Security > Certificates].  On the Certificates pane, uncheck
the 2nd checkbox under OCSP.  This is NOT really a safe way to handle
the problem.  If you are really sure you are requesting the real Web
site, however, this is the most quick way to handle it.

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Re: Can't reach some websites

[Lee]

On 11/30/19, Jeffry Wisnia  wrote:
> Suddenly I'm seeing just a page with the message below when trying to
> open just a couple of websites I've reached for years using SeaMonkey
> and Windows XP. Other websites open normally.
>
> The message I get is:
> *
> Secure Connection Failed
> An error occurred during a connection to www.td.com.
> The OCSP response contains out-of-date information.
> Error code:  title="SEC_ERROR_OCSP_OLD_RESPONSE">SEC_ERROR_OCSP_OLD_RESPONSE
> The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity
> of the received data could not be verified.
>  Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.
> *
> What's this mean and how do I fix it? Thanks.

Probably that the certificate authority OCSP server is having problems.

Edit / Preferences / Privacy & Security / Certificates
remove the checkmark next to
  When an OCSP server connection fails, treat the certificate as invalid

Altho it's probably a bad idea to turn off cert checking if you're
doing anything with your bank or credit card...  and considering
td.com is a bank & I just tried it and _didn't_ get an error I'd
strongly advise you not to change anything.  Give them a call and/or
wait & try again later.

Regards,
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Can't reach some websites

[Jeffry Wisnia]

Suddenly I'm seeing just a page with the message below when trying to 
open just a couple of websites I've reached for years using SeaMonkey 
and Windows XP. Other websites open normally.


The message I get is:
*
Secure Connection Failed
An error occurred during a connection to www.td.com.
The OCSP response contains out-of-date information.
Error code: title="SEC_ERROR_OCSP_OLD_RESPONSE">SEC_ERROR_OCSP_OLD_RESPONSE
The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity 
of the received data could not be verified.

Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem.
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What's this mean and how do I fix it? Thanks.
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Re: what is realistic for the next release?

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On 10/30/2019 12:08 AM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
.../...


http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/

We are currently fixing and backporting bugs left and right. In parallel 
we are setting up an official gitlab repo for it. We don't want to check 
in around 3000 patches into a release branch in the official mozilla 
repos. The gods owning them might not be amused then.



.../...
Hello,
Using daily SM 2.53.1 at WG9S, it has proven stable and very usable for 
me. I have about 8 IMAP mail accounts, along with newsgroup, IRC and 
RSS. New updates almost daily nowadays, overall it works very well.

I can only encourage Seamonkey users to get there and use SM2.53.1 !
http://www.wg9s.com/comm-253/

Best regards to all and thanks to all the team working on SM to catch up 
with FF and TB ;-)


Dom,

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Re: what is realistic for the next release?

[Frank-Rainer Grahl]

WaltS48 wrote:

On 10/29/19 7:08 PM, Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote:
If you try it please backup your profile. You will not be able to go back to 
2.49.5. Will be upgraded (compatible with the upcoming official).


Following the dedicated profiles per installation ala Firefox/Thunderbird 
because you have no choice, or for some other reason?




Not in 2.53.1 and 2.57 Will not backport this.

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