Re: Flash plug-in
Bret Busby wrote: On 17/07/2015, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: Bret Busby wrote: On 17/07/2015, EE nu...@bees.wax wrote: Has anyone ever called Flash venerable? I doubt that it is worthy of that much respect. I thought that it was only a bead that was venerable; the venerable bead. If you are referring to the Anglo-Saxon Monk, Priest, and Scholar it is actually Bede. Keith I was being facetious. From what I understand, that Bede was a creative historian, with recording as having existed, King Arthur and the Knights Of the Round Table, possibly dragons, and other fantasy things. Whether he also recorded Asterix and Obelix, as having saved Londinium from the Romans, I am not sure. Never let the truth get in the way of a good story? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Flash plug-in
On 17/07/2015 3:35 PM, Bret Busby wrote: On 17/07/2015, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: Bret Busby wrote: On 17/07/2015, EE nu...@bees.wax wrote: Has anyone ever called Flash venerable? I doubt that it is worthy of that much respect. I thought that it was only a bead that was venerable; the venerable bead. If you are referring to the Anglo-Saxon Monk, Priest, and Scholar it is actually Bede. Keith I was being facetious. From what I understand, that Bede was a creative historian, with recording as having existed, King Arthur and the Knights Of the Round Table, possibly dragons, and other fantasy things. Whether he also recorded Asterix and Obelix, as having saved Londinium from the Romans, I am not sure. But everyone knows that King Arthur and the Knights Of the Round Table existed!! That's why Rick Wakeman did a tribute album to them back in about 1975!! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Myths_and_Legends_of_King_Arthur_and_the_Knights_of_the_Round_Table Cross-posted to, and Follow-up set to, moz.gen -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:35.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.32 Build identifier: 20141218225909 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.33 Build identifier: 20150215202114 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Flash plug-in
A Williams wrote: John Duncan wrote: rjkrjk wrote: follow the link to adobe, and d/l current version 1800 209 Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 7/14/2015 12:27 AM: Paul Bergsagel wrote: I got the message in SeaMonkey Shockwave Flash is venerable. Use with caution yesterday and updated to the latest up to date flash plug-in. Today I get the same warning about flash. I clicked on the add-ons manager under the Tools menu and clicked on Check to see if your plugins are up to date which takes me to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/ only to inform me that all versions of Adobe's Flash Player are currently vulnerable. BTW I am using MacOS X. How safe is it to activate flash when it has been blocked by Seamonkey because it is outdated? Thanks, Paul. https://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsa15-04.html How safe? That's relative to YOUR browsing habits and computer knowledge. I am not the least bit concerned about my machines. The small kids next door probably already have their computers infected. A good point, but still, technically speaking, all versions of flash (and newer versions of the java plugin) have some nasty new 0-days because of that stupid italian ``hacking team'' that recently themselves got hacked. Still, with good browsing habits and a bit of common sense, most power users should be fine. In this context, the Italian Hacking Job was a good thing. The Italians were already using the exploit and now everybody is aware of it. I read just now that the count of flaws in Flash found so far this month is up to 38. Finally people are thinking of killing the beast. Was the message really Shockwave Flash is venerable. Use with caution? That would imply it was simply complaining about an older version. Has anyone ever called Flash venerable? I doubt that it is worthy of that much respect. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Flash plug-in
On 17/07/2015, EE nu...@bees.wax wrote: Has anyone ever called Flash venerable? I doubt that it is worthy of that much respect. I thought that it was only a bead that was venerable; the venerable bead. I thought that flash and its problems, were more venereal. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Flash plug-in
Bret Busby wrote: On 17/07/2015, EE nu...@bees.wax wrote: Has anyone ever called Flash venerable? I doubt that it is worthy of that much respect. I thought that it was only a bead that was venerable; the venerable bead. If you are referring to the Anglo-Saxon Monk, Priest, and Scholar it is actually Bede. Keith I thought that flash and its problems, were more venereal. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Flash plug-in
On 17/07/2015, Keith N. McKenna keith.mcke...@comcast.net wrote: Bret Busby wrote: On 17/07/2015, EE nu...@bees.wax wrote: Has anyone ever called Flash venerable? I doubt that it is worthy of that much respect. I thought that it was only a bead that was venerable; the venerable bead. If you are referring to the Anglo-Saxon Monk, Priest, and Scholar it is actually Bede. Keith I was being facetious. From what I understand, that Bede was a creative historian, with recording as having existed, King Arthur and the Knights Of the Round Table, possibly dragons, and other fantasy things. Whether he also recorded Asterix and Obelix, as having saved Londinium from the Romans, I am not sure. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means. - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts, written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Flash plug-in
On 15/07/2015 02:25, Paul Bergsagel wrote: I had the latest Flash version when I received the message: Shockwave Flash is venerable. Use with caution, which is the exact wording of the message. Mozilla was not complaining about an older version, but the latest version I had downloaded a few minutes earlier. The exact wording was probably: https://mxr.mozilla.org/mozilla-central/source/toolkit/locales/en-US/chrome/mozapps/extensions/extensions.properties#43 Shockwave Flash is known to be vulnerable. Use with caution. vulnerable (more likely to be exposed to malicious programs) not venerable (commanding respect because of age, ...) https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/vulnerable https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/venerable Regards. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Flash plug-in
follow the link to adobe, and d/l current version 1800 209 Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 7/14/2015 12:27 AM: Paul Bergsagel wrote: I got the message in SeaMonkey Shockwave Flash is venerable. Use with caution yesterday and updated to the latest up to date flash plug-in. Today I get the same warning about flash. I clicked on the add-ons manager under the Tools menu and clicked on Check to see if your plugins are up to date which takes me to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/ only to inform me that all versions of Adobe's Flash Player are currently vulnerable. BTW I am using MacOS X. How safe is it to activate flash when it has been blocked by Seamonkey because it is outdated? Thanks, Paul. https://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsa15-04.html How safe? That's relative to YOUR browsing habits and computer knowledge. I am not the least bit concerned about my machines. The small kids next door probably already have their computers infected. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Flash plug-in
rjkrjk wrote: follow the link to adobe, and d/l current version 1800 209 Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 7/14/2015 12:27 AM: Paul Bergsagel wrote: I got the message in SeaMonkey Shockwave Flash is venerable. Use with caution yesterday and updated to the latest up to date flash plug-in. Today I get the same warning about flash. I clicked on the add-ons manager under the Tools menu and clicked on Check to see if your plugins are up to date which takes me to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/ only to inform me that all versions of Adobe's Flash Player are currently vulnerable. BTW I am using MacOS X. How safe is it to activate flash when it has been blocked by Seamonkey because it is outdated? Thanks, Paul. https://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsa15-04.html How safe? That's relative to YOUR browsing habits and computer knowledge. I am not the least bit concerned about my machines. The small kids next door probably already have their computers infected. A good point, but still, technically speaking, all versions of flash (and newer versions of the java plugin) have some nasty new 0-days because of that stupid italian ``hacking team'' that recently themselves got hacked. Still, with good browsing habits and a bit of common sense, most power users should be fine. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Flash plug-in
John Duncan wrote: rjkrjk wrote: follow the link to adobe, and d/l current version 1800 209 Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 7/14/2015 12:27 AM: Paul Bergsagel wrote: I got the message in SeaMonkey Shockwave Flash is venerable. Use with caution yesterday and updated to the latest up to date flash plug-in. Today I get the same warning about flash. I clicked on the add-ons manager under the Tools menu and clicked on Check to see if your plugins are up to date which takes me to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/ only to inform me that all versions of Adobe's Flash Player are currently vulnerable. BTW I am using MacOS X. How safe is it to activate flash when it has been blocked by Seamonkey because it is outdated? Thanks, Paul. https://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsa15-04.html How safe? That's relative to YOUR browsing habits and computer knowledge. I am not the least bit concerned about my machines. The small kids next door probably already have their computers infected. A good point, but still, technically speaking, all versions of flash (and newer versions of the java plugin) have some nasty new 0-days because of that stupid italian ``hacking team'' that recently themselves got hacked. Still, with good browsing habits and a bit of common sense, most power users should be fine. In this context, the Italian Hacking Job was a good thing. The Italians were already using the exploit and now everybody is aware of it. I read just now that the count of flaws in Flash found so far this month is up to 38. Finally people are thinking of killing the beast. Was the message really Shockwave Flash is venerable. Use with caution? That would imply it was simply complaining about an older version. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Flash plug-in
On 14/07/2015 18:40, A Williams wrote: In this context, the Italian Hacking Job was a good thing. The Italians were already using the exploit and now everybody is aware of it. I read just now that the count of flaws in Flash found so far this month is up to 38. Finally people are thinking of killing the beast. http://yro.slashdot.org/story/15/07/14/1413221/new-default-mozilla-temporarily-disables-flash-in-firefox http://tech.slashdot.org/story/15/07/14/0112229/facebooks-new-chief-security-officer-wants-to-set-a-date-to-kill-flash Was the message really Shockwave Flash is venerable. Use with caution? That would imply it was simply complaining about an older version. venerable = vulnerable ;-) Regards. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Flash plug-in
A Williams wrote: John Duncan wrote: rjkrjk wrote: follow the link to adobe, and d/l current version 1800 209 Paul in Houston, TX wrote on 7/14/2015 12:27 AM: Paul Bergsagel wrote: I got the message in SeaMonkey Shockwave Flash is venerable. Use with caution yesterday and updated to the latest up to date flash plug-in. Today I get the same warning about flash. I clicked on the add-ons manager under the Tools menu and clicked on Check to see if your plugins are up to date which takes me to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/ only to inform me that all versions of Adobe's Flash Player are currently vulnerable. BTW I am using MacOS X. How safe is it to activate flash when it has been blocked by Seamonkey because it is outdated? Thanks, Paul. https://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsa15-04.html How safe? That's relative to YOUR browsing habits and computer knowledge. I am not the least bit concerned about my machines. The small kids next door probably already have their computers infected. A good point, but still, technically speaking, all versions of flash (and newer versions of the java plugin) have some nasty new 0-days because of that stupid italian ``hacking team'' that recently themselves got hacked. Still, with good browsing habits and a bit of common sense, most power users should be fine. In this context, the Italian Hacking Job was a good thing. The Italians were already using the exploit and now everybody is aware of it. I read just now that the count of flaws in Flash found so far this month is up to 38. Finally people are thinking of killing the beast. Was the message really Shockwave Flash is venerable. Use with caution? That would imply it was simply complaining about an older version. I had the latest Flash version when I received the message: Shockwave Flash is venerable. Use with caution, which is the exact wording of the message. Mozilla was not complaining about an older version, but the latest version I had downloaded a few minutes earlier. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Flash plug-in
A Williams wrote: Was the message really Shockwave Flash is venerable. Use with caution? That would imply it was simply complaining about an older version. No, that's not what venerable means: accorded a great deal of respect, especially because of age, wisdom, or character, e.g., a venerable statesman synonyms: respected, venerated, revered, honored, esteemed, hallowed, august, distinguished, eminent, great, grand Still, probably not the intended word. I blame autocorrupt. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Flash plug-in
I got the message in SeaMonkey Shockwave Flash is venerable. Use with caution yesterday and updated to the latest up to date flash plug-in. Today I get the same warning about flash. I clicked on the add-ons manager under the Tools menu and clicked on Check to see if your plugins are up to date which takes me to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/ only to inform me that all versions of Adobe's Flash Player are currently vulnerable. BTW I am using MacOS X. How safe is it to activate flash when it has been blocked by Seamonkey because it is outdated? Thanks, Paul. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Flash plug-in
Paul Bergsagel wrote: I got the message in SeaMonkey Shockwave Flash is venerable. Use with caution yesterday and updated to the latest up to date flash plug-in. Today I get the same warning about flash. I clicked on the add-ons manager under the Tools menu and clicked on Check to see if your plugins are up to date which takes me to https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/plugincheck/ only to inform me that all versions of Adobe's Flash Player are currently vulnerable. BTW I am using MacOS X. How safe is it to activate flash when it has been blocked by Seamonkey because it is outdated? Thanks, Paul. https://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsa15-04.html How safe? That's relative to YOUR browsing habits and computer knowledge. I am not the least bit concerned about my machines. The small kids next door probably already have their computers infected. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 7:36 PM: Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 2:19 PM: Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 1:18 AM: Miles Fidelman wrote: Hi Folks, So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if it's older than a certain version. But.. the update button takes one to a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions: You're right, that's really user-unfriendly and has been for some time. 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. 2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for extensions). (Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh) On Windows, the program has to be removed via the Control Panel -- it's not a feature of the browser, but an independent program (though it does generally play nice with the browser). For the Mac, look here: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/928315 Why not go directly there? https://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html Yes, I agree the plugins check should link there, but it doesn't. Should the user have to bookmark or memorize that link instead, or come here to ask for it? Fer God's sake, the user should bookmark the link to the add-on that needs frequent updating. Is that unreasonable? Jesus! Just save the frigging link instead of re-inventing the wheel. This isn't an Adobe support site, it's a SeaMonkey support site. The OP came here because _Mozilla's_ plugin check was so unfriendly he couldn't figure out how to update the plugin. So for us here at mozilla.support.seamonkey the issue is Mozilla's unfriendly plugin check. That's something we should fix. I was referring to: 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. The link provided requires much more work to find what is needed than the direct one I provided. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Remember, amateurs built the ark, professionals built the Titanic. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?
Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 7:36 PM: Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 2:19 PM: Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 1:18 AM: Miles Fidelman wrote: Hi Folks, So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if it's older than a certain version. But.. the update button takes one to a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions: You're right, that's really user-unfriendly and has been for some time. 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. 2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for extensions). (Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh) On Windows, the program has to be removed via the Control Panel -- it's not a feature of the browser, but an independent program (though it does generally play nice with the browser). For the Mac, look here: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/928315 Why not go directly there? https://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html Yes, I agree the plugins check should link there, but it doesn't. Should the user have to bookmark or memorize that link instead, or come here to ask for it? Fer God's sake, the user should bookmark the link to the add-on that needs frequent updating. Is that unreasonable? Jesus! Just save the frigging link instead of re-inventing the wheel. This isn't an Adobe support site, it's a SeaMonkey support site. The OP came here because _Mozilla's_ plugin check was so unfriendly he couldn't figure out how to update the plugin. So for us here at mozilla.support.seamonkey the issue is Mozilla's unfriendly plugin check. That's something we should fix. I was referring to: 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. The link provided requires much more work to find what is needed than the direct one I provided. Agreed. This is the link provided by our plugin check, and it does require too much work to find what is needed. That should be fixed. By mentioning it in my reply, I was merely demonstrating that I understood and could replicate the OP's user experience. I was not advocating this circuitous route as the ideal solution that should be foisted off on all users. But you're right that I sounded too accepting of the status quo and resigned to its permanence. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/14/2014 12:28 PM: Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 7:36 PM: Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 2:19 PM: Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 1:18 AM: Miles Fidelman wrote: Hi Folks, So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if it's older than a certain version. But.. the update button takes one to a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions: You're right, that's really user-unfriendly and has been for some time. 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. 2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for extensions). (Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh) On Windows, the program has to be removed via the Control Panel -- it's not a feature of the browser, but an independent program (though it does generally play nice with the browser). For the Mac, look here: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/928315 Why not go directly there? https://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html Yes, I agree the plugins check should link there, but it doesn't. Should the user have to bookmark or memorize that link instead, or come here to ask for it? Fer God's sake, the user should bookmark the link to the add-on that needs frequent updating. Is that unreasonable? Jesus! Just save the frigging link instead of re-inventing the wheel. This isn't an Adobe support site, it's a SeaMonkey support site. The OP came here because _Mozilla's_ plugin check was so unfriendly he couldn't figure out how to update the plugin. So for us here at mozilla.support.seamonkey the issue is Mozilla's unfriendly plugin check. That's something we should fix. I was referring to: 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. The link provided requires much more work to find what is needed than the direct one I provided. Agreed. This is the link provided by our plugin check, and it does require too much work to find what is needed. That should be fixed. By mentioning it in my reply, I was merely demonstrating that I understood and could replicate the OP's user experience. I was not advocating this circuitous route as the ideal solution that should be foisted off on all users. But you're right that I sounded too accepting of the status quo and resigned to its permanence. ;-) I certainly agree with you that the Mozilla plug-in check is messed up. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ I hate sex in the movies. The seat folded up, the drink spilled and that ice really chilled the mood. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?
On 12/14/2014 09:35 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/14/2014 12:28 PM: Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 7:36 PM: Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 2:19 PM: Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 1:18 AM: Miles Fidelman wrote: Hi Folks, So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if it's older than a certain version. But.. the update button takes one to a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions: You're right, that's really user-unfriendly and has been for some time. 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. 2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for extensions). (Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh) On Windows, the program has to be removed via the Control Panel -- it's not a feature of the browser, but an independent program (though it does generally play nice with the browser). For the Mac, look here: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/928315 Why not go directly there? https://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html Yes, I agree the plugins check should link there, but it doesn't. Should the user have to bookmark or memorize that link instead, or come here to ask for it? Fer God's sake, the user should bookmark the link to the add-on that needs frequent updating. Is that unreasonable? Jesus! Just save the frigging link instead of re-inventing the wheel. This isn't an Adobe support site, it's a SeaMonkey support site. The OP came here because _Mozilla's_ plugin check was so unfriendly he couldn't figure out how to update the plugin. So for us here at mozilla.support.seamonkey the issue is Mozilla's unfriendly plugin check. That's something we should fix. I was referring to: 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. The link provided requires much more work to find what is needed than the direct one I provided. Agreed. This is the link provided by our plugin check, and it does require too much work to find what is needed. That should be fixed. By mentioning it in my reply, I was merely demonstrating that I understood and could replicate the OP's user experience. I was not advocating this circuitous route as the ideal solution that should be foisted off on all users. But you're right that I sounded too accepting of the status quo and resigned to its permanence. ;-) I certainly agree with you that the Mozilla plug-in check is messed up. Usually I have a problem with the Plugin check page - particulary with Adobe Flash linux. Today when checking the page works fine.. it actually shows the correct version status. When clicking the the action button, it takes me directly to: http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/. Just checked on a Windows machine with an outdated Adobe Flash the action link takes me to the same URL: http://get.adobe.com/flashplayer/. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?
Mozilla's plugin-check page is updated manually and is *never* up-to-date. In fact, it generally considers many ancient versions of plugins to be current and occasionally it will even say that brand new versions are out-of-date. The plan was to convince the various plugins developers to adopt a system of notifications that all browsers could use to keep their plugins up-to-date. This likely was never considered because Google's answer was to simply bundle important plugins into Chrome, thus circumventing the whole mess. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in? - SOLVED
Thanks Paul! Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Miles Fidelman wrote: Hi Folks, So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if it's older than a certain version. But.. the update button takes one to a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions: You're right, that's really user-unfriendly and has been for some time. 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. 2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for extensions). (Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh) On Windows, the program has to be removed via the Control Panel -- it's not a feature of the browser, but an independent program (though it does generally play nice with the browser). For the Mac, look here: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/928315 -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 1:18 AM: Miles Fidelman wrote: Hi Folks, So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if it's older than a certain version. But.. the update button takes one to a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions: You're right, that's really user-unfriendly and has been for some time. 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. 2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for extensions). (Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh) On Windows, the program has to be removed via the Control Panel -- it's not a feature of the browser, but an independent program (though it does generally play nice with the browser). For the Mac, look here: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/928315 Why not go directly there? https://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ I can please only one person per day. Today is not your day. And tomorrow isn't looking good either. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?
Miles Fidelman wrote: Hi Folks, So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if it's older than a certain version. But.. the update button takes one to a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions: 1. How does one update it?, or 2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for extensions). (Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh) Help! Thanks, Miles Fidelman You can install a new version of Flash and it will simply replace the old plugin in Mac OS. I get my Flash plugin from here: http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution3.html ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?
Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 1:18 AM: Miles Fidelman wrote: Hi Folks, So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if it's older than a certain version. But.. the update button takes one to a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions: You're right, that's really user-unfriendly and has been for some time. 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. 2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for extensions). (Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh) On Windows, the program has to be removed via the Control Panel -- it's not a feature of the browser, but an independent program (though it does generally play nice with the browser). For the Mac, look here: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/928315 Why not go directly there? https://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html Yes, I agree the plugins check should link there, but it doesn't. Should the user have to bookmark or memorize that link instead, or come here to ask for it? -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?
Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 2:19 PM: Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 1:18 AM: Miles Fidelman wrote: Hi Folks, So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if it's older than a certain version. But.. the update button takes one to a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions: You're right, that's really user-unfriendly and has been for some time. 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. 2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for extensions). (Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh) On Windows, the program has to be removed via the Control Panel -- it's not a feature of the browser, but an independent program (though it does generally play nice with the browser). For the Mac, look here: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/928315 Why not go directly there? https://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html Yes, I agree the plugins check should link there, but it doesn't. Should the user have to bookmark or memorize that link instead, or come here to ask for it? Fer God's sake, the user should bookmark the link to the add-on that needs frequent updating. Is that unreasonable? Jesus! Just save the frigging link instead of re-inventing the wheel. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ And don't start a sentence with a conjunction. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?
Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 2:19 PM: Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 12/13/2014 1:18 AM: Miles Fidelman wrote: Hi Folks, So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if it's older than a certain version. But.. the update button takes one to a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions: You're right, that's really user-unfriendly and has been for some time. 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. 2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for extensions). (Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh) On Windows, the program has to be removed via the Control Panel -- it's not a feature of the browser, but an independent program (though it does generally play nice with the browser). For the Mac, look here: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/928315 Why not go directly there? https://www.adobe.com/support/flashplayer/downloads.html Yes, I agree the plugins check should link there, but it doesn't. Should the user have to bookmark or memorize that link instead, or come here to ask for it? Fer God's sake, the user should bookmark the link to the add-on that needs frequent updating. Is that unreasonable? Jesus! Just save the frigging link instead of re-inventing the wheel. This isn't an Adobe support site, it's a SeaMonkey support site. The OP came here because _Mozilla's_ plugin check was so unfriendly he couldn't figure out how to update the plugin. So for us here at mozilla.support.seamonkey the issue is Mozilla's unfriendly plugin check. That's something we should fix. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?
Hi Folks, So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if it's older than a certain version. But.. the update button takes one to a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions: 1. How does one update it?, or 2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for extensions). (Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh) Help! Thanks, Miles Fidelman -- In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In practice, there is. Yogi Berra ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: updating or uninstalling flash plug-in?
Miles Fidelman wrote: Hi Folks, So it looks like Seamonkey automatically disables the Flash plug-in if it's older than a certain version. But.. the update button takes one to a security alert, not an update page, which leads to two questions: You're right, that's really user-unfriendly and has been for some time. 1. How does one update it?, or If you skim through all the fine print in the security alert (I assume you're referring to http://helpx.adobe.com/security/products/flash-player/apsb14-27.html or something like it), you'll find a link to Adobe's download center. Once you've done it a couple of times, you'll learn to scan through all the chaff and find it. You're looking for the phrase Flash Player Download Center near the bottom. 2. How does one remove it, to force sites to push HTM5 video (there is no remove button under tools/add-ons/plugins, the way there is for extensions). (Seamonkey 2.31, Macintosh) On Windows, the program has to be removed via the Control Panel -- it's not a feature of the browser, but an independent program (though it does generally play nice with the browser). For the Mac, look here: https://forums.adobe.com/thread/928315 -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Flash plug in problem/question
Trane Francks wrote: On 12/23/13 10:50 AM +0900, PhillipJones wrote: EE wrote: regz91 wrote: I think we have 64 bit builds of SeaMonkey only for Linux. The windows version of SeaMonkey is always a 32 bit browser regardless of whther the OS is 32 or 64 bit. 64-bit builds are also for Mac OS. Only if you have Lion (OSX.7.x), Mountain Lion (OSX.8.x), or Mavericks (OSX.9.x). Snow Leopard (OSX.6.8) is mostly 32 Bit; Leopard (OSX.5) is all 32 Bit and any lower are all 32bit. It took a Long time for apple to adopt 64 Bit. Not in my experience. SeaMonkey 2.x always ran as 64-bit on my Snow Leopard system. My Snow Leopard is 64-bit because it was installed on a 64-bit Mac Pro. I checked the System Profiler, and SeaMonkey 2.23 is indeed 64-bit. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Flash plug in problem/question
Trane Francks wrote: On 12/23/13 11:40 AM +0900, PhillipJones wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 12/23/13 10:50 AM +0900, PhillipJones wrote: EE wrote: regz91 wrote: I think we have 64 bit builds of SeaMonkey only for Linux. The windows version of SeaMonkey is always a 32 bit browser regardless of whther the OS is 32 or 64 bit. 64-bit builds are also for Mac OS. Only if you have Lion (OSX.7.x), Mountain Lion (OSX.8.x), or Mavericks (OSX.9.x). Snow Leopard (OSX.6.8) is mostly 32 Bit; Leopard (OSX.5) is all 32 Bit and any lower are all 32bit. It took a Long time for apple to adopt 64 Bit. Not in my experience. SeaMonkey 2.x always ran as 64-bit on my Snow Leopard system. Go SeaMonkey do get info (⌘-I) Check and see if set to 32 bit http://sharebucketapp.com/cxZjNhZWRmOGMwOWRmZg The more telling way is to open Activity Monitor and look at SeaMonkey in the process list. I've since upgraded from SL to Lion, so cannot check current builds for 64-bit execution. It only been since Mountain Lion (OSX.8.x) that the system is even full time 64Bit and if if you still have enough 32 bit program They often work better if you system system apps to 32 Bit and restart for them to work as they should. Unlike on a PC where a 32 Bit program works great on on 32 bit system or 64 bit system. It does make a difference on a Mac. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjones...@comcast.net ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Flash plug in problem/question
regz91 wrote: I think we have 64 bit builds of SeaMonkey only for Linux. The windows version of SeaMonkey is always a 32 bit browser regardless of whther the OS is 32 or 64 bit. 64-bit builds are also for Mac OS. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Flash plug in problem/question
EE wrote: regz91 wrote: I think we have 64 bit builds of SeaMonkey only for Linux. The windows version of SeaMonkey is always a 32 bit browser regardless of whther the OS is 32 or 64 bit. 64-bit builds are also for Mac OS. Only if you have Lion (OSX.7.x), Mountain Lion (OSX.8.x), or Mavericks (OSX.9.x). Snow Leopard (OSX.6.8) is mostly 32 Bit; Leopard (OSX.5) is all 32 Bit and any lower are all 32bit. It took a Long time for apple to adopt 64 Bit. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjones...@comcast.net ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Flash plug in problem/question
On 12/23/13 10:50 AM +0900, PhillipJones wrote: EE wrote: regz91 wrote: I think we have 64 bit builds of SeaMonkey only for Linux. The windows version of SeaMonkey is always a 32 bit browser regardless of whther the OS is 32 or 64 bit. 64-bit builds are also for Mac OS. Only if you have Lion (OSX.7.x), Mountain Lion (OSX.8.x), or Mavericks (OSX.9.x). Snow Leopard (OSX.6.8) is mostly 32 Bit; Leopard (OSX.5) is all 32 Bit and any lower are all 32bit. It took a Long time for apple to adopt 64 Bit. Not in my experience. SeaMonkey 2.x always ran as 64-bit on my Snow Leopard system. -- / // Trane Franckstr...@gol.comTokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Flash plug in problem/question
Trane Francks wrote: On 12/23/13 10:50 AM +0900, PhillipJones wrote: EE wrote: regz91 wrote: I think we have 64 bit builds of SeaMonkey only for Linux. The windows version of SeaMonkey is always a 32 bit browser regardless of whther the OS is 32 or 64 bit. 64-bit builds are also for Mac OS. Only if you have Lion (OSX.7.x), Mountain Lion (OSX.8.x), or Mavericks (OSX.9.x). Snow Leopard (OSX.6.8) is mostly 32 Bit; Leopard (OSX.5) is all 32 Bit and any lower are all 32bit. It took a Long time for apple to adopt 64 Bit. Not in my experience. SeaMonkey 2.x always ran as 64-bit on my Snow Leopard system. Go SeaMonkey do get info (⌘-I) Check and see if set to 32 bit http://sharebucketapp.com/cxZjNhZWRmOGMwOWRmZg -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjones...@comcast.net ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Flash plug in problem/question
On 12/23/13 11:40 AM +0900, PhillipJones wrote: Trane Francks wrote: On 12/23/13 10:50 AM +0900, PhillipJones wrote: EE wrote: regz91 wrote: I think we have 64 bit builds of SeaMonkey only for Linux. The windows version of SeaMonkey is always a 32 bit browser regardless of whther the OS is 32 or 64 bit. 64-bit builds are also for Mac OS. Only if you have Lion (OSX.7.x), Mountain Lion (OSX.8.x), or Mavericks (OSX.9.x). Snow Leopard (OSX.6.8) is mostly 32 Bit; Leopard (OSX.5) is all 32 Bit and any lower are all 32bit. It took a Long time for apple to adopt 64 Bit. Not in my experience. SeaMonkey 2.x always ran as 64-bit on my Snow Leopard system. Go SeaMonkey do get info (⌘-I) Check and see if set to 32 bit http://sharebucketapp.com/cxZjNhZWRmOGMwOWRmZg The more telling way is to open Activity Monitor and look at SeaMonkey in the process list. I've since upgraded from SL to Lion, so cannot check current builds for 64-bit execution. -- / // Trane Franckstr...@gol.comTokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
SeaMonkey Flash plug in problem/question
Using SM 2.17.1 trying to run some speed tests on my cable service, and I find that Adobe Flashand Java are disabled and nothing will run. So I click on the SM update now button which takes me to a Mozilla page to click update now again and that one results in a page that appears to say... to use that update I must install McAfee which I will not do. So what are my options to display these tests using SeaMonkey? :( bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Flash plug in problem/question
On 12/20/2013 1:37 PM, chicagofan wrote: Using SM 2.17.1 trying to run some speed tests on my cable service, and I find that Adobe Flashand Java are disabled and nothing will run. So I click on the SM update now button which takes me to a Mozilla page to click update now again and that one results in a page that appears to say... to use that update I must install McAfee which I will not do. So what are my options to display these tests using SeaMonkey? :( bj Go directly to the sources for both Flash and Java. For Flash, go to http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution3.html. Be sure to select the second set for Plugin-based browsers and NOT the first set for Internet Explorer. For Java, go to http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp. Since you seem to be using an x64 Windows, select the 64-bit Windows version for downloading. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Where does your elected official stand? Which politicians refuse to tell us where they stand? See the non-partisan Project Vote Smart at http://votesmart.org/. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Flash plug in problem/question
David E. Ross wrote: On 12/20/2013 1:37 PM, chicagofan wrote: Using SM 2.17.1 trying to run some speed tests on my cable service, and I find that Adobe Flashand Java are disabled and nothing will run. So I click on the SM update now button which takes me to a Mozilla page to click update now again and that one results in a page that appears to say... to use that update I must install McAfee which I will not do. So what are my options to display these tests using SeaMonkey? :( bj Go directly to the sources for both Flash and Java. For Flash, go to http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution3.html. Be sure to select the second set for Plugin-based browsers and NOT the first set for Internet Explorer. For Java, go to http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp. Since you seem to be using an x64 Windows, select the 64-bit Windows version for downloading. For Flash - MSI Installer or .EXE Installer? Thanks, David! bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Flash plug in problem/question
David E. Ross wrote: On 12/20/2013 1:37 PM, chicagofan wrote: Using SM 2.17.1 trying to run some speed tests on my cable service, and I find that Adobe Flashand Java are disabled and nothing will run. So I click on the SM update now button which takes me to a Mozilla page to click update now again and that one results in a page that appears to say... to use that update I must install McAfee which I will not do. So what are my options to display these tests using SeaMonkey? :( bj Go directly to the sources for both Flash and Java. For Flash, go to http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution3.html. Be sure to select the second set for Plugin-based browsers and NOT the first set for Internet Explorer. For Java, go to http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp. Since you seem to be using an x64 Windows, select the 64-bit Windows version for downloading. The Java site says We have detected you may be viewing this page in a 32-bit browser. Hmm, thought that's what SM was. So, which one? Or both? Grateful for help to this non-tech. Larry S. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Flash plug in problem/question
On 12/20/2013 4:47 PM, chicagofan wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 12/20/2013 1:37 PM, chicagofan wrote: Using SM 2.17.1 trying to run some speed tests on my cable service, and I find that Adobe Flashand Java are disabled and nothing will run. So I click on the SM update now button which takes me to a Mozilla page to click update now again and that one results in a page that appears to say... to use that update I must install McAfee which I will not do. So what are my options to display these tests using SeaMonkey? :( bj Go directly to the sources for both Flash and Java. For Flash, go to http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution3.html. Be sure to select the second set for Plugin-based browsers and NOT the first set for Internet Explorer. For Java, go to http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp. Since you seem to be using an x64 Windows, select the 64-bit Windows version for downloading. For Flash - MSI Installer or .EXE Installer? Thanks, David! bj With Windows 7, I don't think it makes a difference. I generally choose the .exe file. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ Where does your elected official stand? Which politicians refuse to tell us where they stand? See the non-partisan Project Vote Smart at http://votesmart.org/. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: SeaMonkey Flash plug in problem/question
Larry S. wrote: David E. Ross wrote: On 12/20/2013 1:37 PM, chicagofan wrote: Using SM 2.17.1 trying to run some speed tests on my cable service, and I find that Adobe Flashand Java are disabled and nothing will run. So I click on the SM update now button which takes me to a Mozilla page to click update now again and that one results in a page that appears to say... to use that update I must install McAfee which I will not do. So what are my options to display these tests using SeaMonkey? :( bj Go directly to the sources for both Flash and Java. For Flash, go to http://www.adobe.com/products/flashplayer/distribution3.html. Be sure to select the second set for Plugin-based browsers and NOT the first set for Internet Explorer. For Java, go to http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp. Since you seem to be using an x64 Windows, select the 64-bit Windows version for downloading. The Java site says We have detected you may be viewing this page in a 32-bit browser. Hmm, thought that's what SM was. So, which one? Or both? Grateful for help to this non-tech. Larry S. I think we have 64 bit builds of SeaMonkey only for Linux. The windows version of SeaMonkey is always a 32 bit browser regardless of whther the OS is 32 or 64 bit. -- Version 3.10.2 openSUSE 13.1 (Bottle) (x86_64) 64-bit Kernel Linux 3.11.6-4-desktop ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Flash plug-in not really disabled?
Desiree melel...@medscape.com wrote: On 7/7/2013 7:59 AM, Dan B. wrote: Does the Flash plug-in bypass SeaMonkey's disabling of it? I have disabled the Flash plug-in (in the configuration page at about:addons), and when I go to a page like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRW2poUfJ34, SeaMonkey first says This plugin is disabled Manage plugins but then a second later the video starts playing anyway. Thanks, Daniel Isn't it wonderful that now we don't generally need Flash at Youtube? Better experience with HTML5 anyway. I don't agree with that! My experience is much better with Flash video on Youtube in Seamonkey. For example, video can be displayed fullscreen (instead of only full window), and it continues smoothly when the size is changed. HTML5 needs a lot of work. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Flash plug-in not really disabled?
Dan B. wrote: Does the Flash plug-in bypass SeaMonkey's disabling of it? I have disabled the Flash plug-in (in the configuration page at about:addons), and when I go to a page like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRW2poUfJ34, SeaMonkey first says This plugin is disabled Manage plugins but then a second later the video starts playing anyway. Thanks, Daniel I don't have Flash installed at all. Browsing Youtube (for instance) I frequently get the message that I need Flash, about 60% of the time the video plays anyway. Before html5 I did not even bother going there because nothing would play. Philip Taylor is right. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Flash plug-in not really disabled?
On 7/7/2013 7:59 AM, Dan B. wrote: Does the Flash plug-in bypass SeaMonkey's disabling of it? I have disabled the Flash plug-in (in the configuration page at about:addons), and when I go to a page like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRW2poUfJ34, SeaMonkey first says This plugin is disabled Manage plugins but then a second later the video starts playing anyway. Thanks, Daniel Isn't it wonderful that now we don't generally need Flash at Youtube? Better experience with HTML5 anyway. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Flash plug-in not really disabled?
Does the Flash plug-in bypass SeaMonkey's disabling of it? I have disabled the Flash plug-in (in the configuration page at about:addons), and when I go to a page like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRW2poUfJ34, SeaMonkey first says This plugin is disabled Manage plugins but then a second later the video starts playing anyway. Thanks, Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Flash plug-in not really disabled?
Dan B. wrote: Does the Flash plug-in bypass SeaMonkey's disabling of it? I have disabled the Flash plug-in (in the configuration page at about:addons), and when I go to a page like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CRW2poUfJ34, SeaMonkey first says This plugin is disabled Manage plugins but then a second later the video starts playing anyway. HTML 5 video as fallback ? Philip Taylor ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Flash plug-in (stop and start animation)
Hi, I used to run SM without Flash and it was great not to have the annoying animations. (I used IE for the odd video). Recently I wanted to test Windows 7 without IE (in theory it's possible to uninstall IE from Windows 7), so I installed the Flash plug-in for SM, which works well. The problem is, I with I could just have placeholders for the Flash animations, and that they would only start when I tell them to. In the old days, you can press escape to stop animated GIFs, but this doesn't seem to work with Flash... -- Gerry Hickman (London UK) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Flash plug-in (stop and start animation)
On Wed, 05 Jan 2011 12:16:25 -0800, David E. Ross wrote: Go to http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ and get the FlashBlock extension. With FlashBlock enabled, Flash presentations will be replaced by an icon that is a lower-case f in a circle. If you move your cursor over the Flash area, the icon changes to a right-pointing triangle. Left-click in that area to see the Flash presentation. Right-click in that area to get a pull-down context menu that will remove the area and icon. In the latest unstable builds, if you are on OSX the place holders are more modernistic squarish graphics contributed by the Camino team. (Camino ships with Flashblock built in). Apparently this more closely matches the style used by Flashblocker like extensions for Safari and Chromium on Macs. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
