Re: Fonts changing in E-mail?
On 4/1/2014 10:23 PM, Mort wrote: hawker wrote: Has anyone else had issues with SM25 fonts changing in E-mail on their own? I updated from SM0.21 to SM.25 and the problem started. What I have found is when the draft backup kicks in or right after I click send any non default fonts get reset to the default font. This is especially a problem for e-mails I compose to my China vendors who use a special font to make English to Chinese translation easier. What causes this? Is this a reported/known bug? I get the same problem of changing fonts willy-nilly, but only when replying to someone's e-mail. When I compose an original e-mail, this never happens. I'd like to find out how to prevent it. Thanks. Mort Linder Yes. Mort did this just start for you in the latest version. I only saw it when I upgraded from .21 to .25. I also find it mostly happens when replying to others, but I have found ways for it to happen when I compose as well. What may not be clear in my posting is that the font that I am typing with does not change. The font of the text I already typed changes so everything I have already typed has changed. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts changing in E-mail?
Interviewed by CNN on 01/04/2014 23:23, Mort told the world: I get the same problem of changing fonts willy-nilly, but only when replying to someone's e-mail. When I compose an original e-mail, this never happens. Hmmm, a possible reason: maybe you _don't have_ the same font that was originally used to write the message. (You can check by looking at the source code of the original message). I didn't test this, but a reasonable hypothesis for what is happening would be: - Message asks for a font you dont't have (say, Helvetica, which is rarely available on Windows or Linux but not uncommon in Macs) - Netscape displays message using a substitute font (like, for instance, Arial) -- there are font substitution tables to handle common cases like this, replacing fonts with roughly similar ones. - You open message for replying. E-mail HTML editor can't find the original font. - HTML editor falls back to _your default_ font, which may be different from the substitute font it used for display. -- MCBastos This message has been protected with the 2ROT13 algorithm. Unauthorized use will be prosecuted under the DMCA. -=-=- ... Sent from my Babcom. * Added by TagZilla 0.7a1 running on Seamonkey 2.25 * Get it at http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmailnews.html#tagzilla ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts changing in E-mail?
On 4/2/2014 11:08 AM, MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 01/04/2014 23:23, Mort told the world: I get the same problem of changing fonts willy-nilly, but only when replying to someone's e-mail. When I compose an original e-mail, this never happens. Hmmm, a possible reason: maybe you _don't have_ the same font that was originally used to write the message. (You can check by looking at the source code of the original message). I didn't test this, but a reasonable hypothesis for what is happening would be: - Message asks for a font you dont't have (say, Helvetica, which is rarely available on Windows or Linux but not uncommon in Macs) - Netscape displays message using a substitute font (like, for instance, Arial) -- there are font substitution tables to handle common cases like this, replacing fonts with roughly similar ones. - You open message for replying. E-mail HTML editor can't find the original font. - HTML editor falls back to _your default_ font, which may be different from the substitute font it used for display. This seems a very probable explanation. Indeed the changed to font is always my default font and it only happens when composing in a non default font. The real question is why did this behavior change from x.21 to x.25. Also what seems to have changed between these two version is my default email font and default Newsgroup font (where I am composing this) are different. They used to be the same. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts changing in E-mail?
hawker wrote: Has anyone else had issues with SM25 fonts changing in E-mail on their own? I updated from SM0.21 to SM.25 and the problem started. What I have found is when the draft backup kicks in or right after I click send any non default fonts get reset to the default font. This is especially a problem for e-mails I compose to my China vendors who use a special font to make English to Chinese translation easier. What causes this? Is this a reported/known bug? this has long been a problem for me, dating back to SM 1.0 times... particularly when responding to quoted html messages from folks who (still) are sending from aol and yahoo e'mail... i notice changes in fonts sometimes after a few words, other times in the second paragraph of my response... i figure its a setting hanging on from their end... and not repairable from mine... always annoying... sean -- ... And why is it that a writer writes, but fingers don't fing, grocers don't groce, humdingers don't hum and hammers don't ham? * TagZilla 0.066 * http://tagzilla.mozdev.org ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts changing in E-mail?
hawker wrote: On 4/1/2014 5:08 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: hawker wrote: It is hard to say what exactly is going on. What I see is that I'll be typing along and all of a sudden whammo my text looks totally different. Usually it is larger and appears to switch back to the default font rather than what I was in. The stored message also is the new font. Looking at Bugzilla I see a few old Thunderbird bugs about fonts changing but nothing that seems to be recent or followed up on. OK, so we're talking about HTML messages, not plain text? Yes. yes... outside of newsgroup folks... our daughters, wives, mothers and friends all compose in HTML... few non-techie males know there is a distinction between plain txt and html... and would look puzzled if you asked them about it... -- ... Rather than a beep, Or a rude error message, These words: file not found. * TagZilla 0.066 * http://tagzilla.mozdev.org ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts changing in E-mail?
MCBastos wrote: Interviewed by CNN on 01/04/2014 23:23, Mort told the world: I get the same problem of changing fonts willy-nilly, but only when replying to someone's e-mail. When I compose an original e-mail, this never happens. Hmmm, a possible reason: maybe you _don't have_ the same font that was originally used to write the message. (You can check by looking at the source code of the original message). I didn't test this, but a reasonable hypothesis for what is happening would be: - Message asks for a font you dont't have (say, Helvetica, which is rarely available on Windows or Linux but not uncommon in Macs) I have 5 Arial fonts in Windows XP and one in W7 Pro. Standard out-of-the-box installation, not add-on fonts. - Netscape displays message using a substitute font (like, for instance, Arial) -- there are font substitution tables to handle common cases like this, replacing fonts with roughly similar ones. - You open message for replying. E-mail HTML editor can't find the original font. - HTML editor falls back to _your default_ font, which may be different from the substitute font it used for display. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ That's a hell of an ambition, to be mellow. It's like wanting to be senile. - Randy Newman ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts changing in E-mail?
On 4/2/2014 12:17 PM, sean nathan wrote: hawker wrote: On 4/1/2014 5:08 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: hawker wrote: It is hard to say what exactly is going on. What I see is that I'll be typing along and all of a sudden whammo my text looks totally different. Usually it is larger and appears to switch back to the default font rather than what I was in. The stored message also is the new font. Looking at Bugzilla I see a few old Thunderbird bugs about fonts changing but nothing that seems to be recent or followed up on. OK, so we're talking about HTML messages, not plain text? Yes. yes... outside of newsgroup folks... our daughters, wives, mothers and friends all compose in HTML... few non-techie males know there is a distinction between plain txt and html... and would look puzzled if you asked them about it... Back in the day of 10GB hard drives and 56K modems I used to get mad at folks who used HTML e-mail and scold them. It was especially a problem as not all e-mail clients properly rendered all e-mail. Claris and Eudora had issues for one. I have long since had to give up and give in to HTML e-mail. It isn't so bad anymore as long as HTML is not abused. My beef now is long tag lines and embedded graphics. These are also getting harder to get away from. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts changing in E-mail?
hawker wrote: Also what seems to have changed between these two version is my default email font and default Newsgroup font (where I am composing this) are different. They used to be the same. That's probably because SM has the good sense to compose in plain text for newsgroups and HTML elsewhere. Under Edit | Preferences | Appearance | Fonts, the font listed under Monospace is used for plain text, and the ones listed under Proportional, Serif, Sans-Serif, Cursive, and Fantasy are used for HTML. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts changing in E-mail?
hawker wrote: Mort did this just start for you in the latest version. Yes, it did. Sometimes new things are worse than older ones, what I call a deprovement. Mort Linder ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts changing in E-mail?
MCBastos wrote: Hmmm, a possible reason: maybe you_don't have_ the same font that was originally used to write the message. (You can check by looking at the source code of the original message). No, it switches back and forth between the 2 fonts. Mort Linder ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Fonts changing in E-mail?
Has anyone else had issues with SM25 fonts changing in E-mail on their own? I updated from SM0.21 to SM.25 and the problem started. What I have found is when the draft backup kicks in or right after I click send any non default fonts get reset to the default font. This is especially a problem for e-mails I compose to my China vendors who use a special font to make English to Chinese translation easier. What causes this? Is this a reported/known bug? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts changing in E-mail?
hawker wrote: Has anyone else had issues with SM25 fonts changing in E-mail on their own? I updated from SM0.21 to SM.25 and the problem started. What I have found is when the draft backup kicks in or right after I click send any non default fonts get reset to the default font. This is especially a problem for e-mails I compose to my China vendors who use a special font to make English to Chinese translation easier. What causes this? Is this a reported/known bug? Could be an encoding issue, I spose... certainly not the shapes of the glyphs (font). Choosing Times Roman or Courier or Bodoni Bold shouldn't make any difference to a computer. Other than Unicode, the characters used for English should be at the same code points in most any encoding scheme, eh? They're all basic ASCII. Check whether SM is automatically changing your encoding to an undesired value. For example, if they always want to see Unicode (or Big 5 or whatever) and SM is forcing to Western, that could cause trouble for an automated translation system. Edit | Mail Newsgroups | Character Encoding In general, SM will switch to Unicode automatically if your message contains characters outside the set you have specified. So if you want a Western message to remain in Western, don't mix in any Chinese. By the same token, if they need to see Unicode and you're sending plain English with no foreign characters, SM has no reason to switch and will use Western. Check also if quoted printable is checked on that pref dialog; some recipients may have trouble with it (though they shouldn't). -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts changing in E-mail?
On 4/1/2014 2:06 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: hawker wrote: Has anyone else had issues with SM25 fonts changing in E-mail on their own? I updated from SM0.21 to SM.25 and the problem started. What I have found is when the draft backup kicks in or right after I click send any non default fonts get reset to the default font. This is especially a problem for e-mails I compose to my China vendors who use a special font to make English to Chinese translation easier. What causes this? Is this a reported/known bug? Could be an encoding issue, I spose... certainly not the shapes of the glyphs (font). Choosing Times Roman or Courier or Bodoni Bold shouldn't make any difference to a computer. Other than Unicode, the characters used for English should be at the same code points in most any encoding scheme, eh? They're all basic ASCII. Check whether SM is automatically changing your encoding to an undesired value. For example, if they always want to see Unicode (or Big 5 or whatever) and SM is forcing to Western, that could cause trouble for an automated translation system. Edit | Mail Newsgroups | Character Encoding In general, SM will switch to Unicode automatically if your message contains characters outside the set you have specified. So if you want a Western message to remain in Western, don't mix in any Chinese. By the same token, if they need to see Unicode and you're sending plain English with no foreign characters, SM has no reason to switch and will use Western. Check also if quoted printable is checked on that pref dialog; some recipients may have trouble with it (though they shouldn't). Thanx, I'll look into all that. It is hard to say what exactly is going on. What I see is that I'll be typing along and all of a sudden wammo my text looks totally different. Usually it is larger and appears to switch back to the default font rather than what I was in. The stored message also is the new font. Looking at Bugzilla I see a few old Thunderbird bugs about fonts changing but nothing that seems to be recent or followed up on. Hawker ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts changing in E-mail?
hawker wrote: It is hard to say what exactly is going on. What I see is that I'll be typing along and all of a sudden whammo my text looks totally different. Usually it is larger and appears to switch back to the default font rather than what I was in. The stored message also is the new font. Looking at Bugzilla I see a few old Thunderbird bugs about fonts changing but nothing that seems to be recent or followed up on. OK, so we're talking about HTML messages, not plain text? -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts changing in E-mail?
On 4/1/2014 5:08 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: hawker wrote: It is hard to say what exactly is going on. What I see is that I'll be typing along and all of a sudden whammo my text looks totally different. Usually it is larger and appears to switch back to the default font rather than what I was in. The stored message also is the new font. Looking at Bugzilla I see a few old Thunderbird bugs about fonts changing but nothing that seems to be recent or followed up on. OK, so we're talking about HTML messages, not plain text? Yes. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fonts changing in E-mail?
hawker wrote: Has anyone else had issues with SM25 fonts changing in E-mail on their own? I updated from SM0.21 to SM.25 and the problem started. What I have found is when the draft backup kicks in or right after I click send any non default fonts get reset to the default font. This is especially a problem for e-mails I compose to my China vendors who use a special font to make English to Chinese translation easier. What causes this? Is this a reported/known bug? I get the same problem of changing fonts willy-nilly, but only when replying to someone's e-mail. When I compose an original e-mail, this never happens. I'd like to find out how to prevent it. Thanks. Mort Linder ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
