Re: Plain-text formatting
EE wrote on 27-01-17 22:08: Ray_Net wrote: Felix Miata wrote on 25-01-17 22:49: Ray_Net composed on 2017-01-25 22:26 (UTC+0100): Felix Miata wrote: Ray_Net composed on 2017-01-25 22:00 (UTC+0100): Why your newspaper is not in plain-text ? What's a newspaper? Use the first link found -> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Newspaper wikipedia It was a joke. Emails aren't newspapers. Newspapers are comprised of many subjects and many pages. Rarely is an email or news post more than a paragraph or three or five. Those text size and font variations newspapers use rarely have applicability in the context of small text bodies. Individual articles in newspapers usually and for good reason use only one size and style. Most HTML email users don't use any rich text features even if and when appropriate, making the HTML markup and CSS styling pure useless bloat. Sometimes I used email to show an existing web page and the expected web page it should be with my modifications - in that case HTML mail is essential ! If you have a web page, you could just put a link to it in the message. That way, plain text would be fine. NO, I dont have a web page I show a part of a web page that I did not manage, and I show what it should be in the mail, not with creating a web page on the web. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
Ray_Net wrote: Felix Miata wrote on 25-01-17 22:49: Ray_Net composed on 2017-01-25 22:26 (UTC+0100): Felix Miata wrote: Ray_Net composed on 2017-01-25 22:00 (UTC+0100): Why your newspaper is not in plain-text ? What's a newspaper? Use the first link found -> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Newspaper wikipedia It was a joke. Emails aren't newspapers. Newspapers are comprised of many subjects and many pages. Rarely is an email or news post more than a paragraph or three or five. Those text size and font variations newspapers use rarely have applicability in the context of small text bodies. Individual articles in newspapers usually and for good reason use only one size and style. Most HTML email users don't use any rich text features even if and when appropriate, making the HTML markup and CSS styling pure useless bloat. Sometimes I used email to show an existing web page and the expected web page it should be with my modifications - in that case HTML mail is essential ! If you have a web page, you could just put a link to it in the message. That way, plain text would be fine. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
Ray_Net composed on 2017-01-27 01:07 (UTC+0100): Sometimes I used email to show an existing web page and the expected web page it should be with my modifications - in that case HTML mail is essential ! That's hardly a "most users" use case, or even essential. When I want to do that, I email only a URI, and put the content on my "web site", which is actually the same local location in which I construct the modified page. That way the content only needs to be read if and when the recipient wishes it seen rather than accounting for its space consumed overhead every time an email app opens the folder containing that message. I commit only my own storage space. Recipient commits space only if and when he chooses. When the email destination is a mailing list, your technique takes a many magnitudes bigger total storage and bandwidth consumption toll. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
Felix Miata wrote on 25-01-17 22:49: Ray_Net composed on 2017-01-25 22:26 (UTC+0100): Felix Miata wrote: Ray_Net composed on 2017-01-25 22:00 (UTC+0100): Why your newspaper is not in plain-text ? What's a newspaper? Use the first link found -> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Newspaper wikipedia It was a joke. Emails aren't newspapers. Newspapers are comprised of many subjects and many pages. Rarely is an email or news post more than a paragraph or three or five. Those text size and font variations newspapers use rarely have applicability in the context of small text bodies. Individual articles in newspapers usually and for good reason use only one size and style. Most HTML email users don't use any rich text features even if and when appropriate, making the HTML markup and CSS styling pure useless bloat. Sometimes I used email to show an existing web page and the expected web page it should be with my modifications - in that case HTML mail is essential ! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
On Wed, 25 Jan 2017, Ed Mullen wrote:
Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 11:26:18
This nonesense, anti-deluvial crap about plain-text is crap and nowhere near
real-world. Who are you people and what world do you inhabit?
You sound like one of those USA people who decided to defecate in their
own lounge room and to defecate on the rest of the world, by imposing
the President Dump on the world. Especially, with your repeated
reference to the President Dump.
("What is the stink emanating from the White House? Oh, that is the
President Dump - the USA's bad practical joke on the world.")
Your contempt for the use of plain text formatting, simply proves an
earlier point of mine.
--
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
..
"So once you do know what the question actually is,
you'll know what the answer means."
- Deep Thought,
Chapter 28 of Book 1 of
"The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy:
A Trilogy In Four Parts",
written by Douglas Adams,
published by Pan Books, 1992
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Re: Plain-text formatting
On 1/25/2017 at 4:00 PM, Ray_Net's prodigious digits fired off with great aplomb: Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 25-01-17 08:52: Well I prefer plain text not because of bandwidth limitation but it has other advantages: Security: No stupid picture links trying to divert you to an attack site. You see the links in plain text and can decide if they are legit. No hidden tags etc... Readability: Most web fonts just s*ck and if the sender decides to really play with colors and stuff it get urgkkk very fast :) When I send and read mail its usually because of the information and the blink blink just distracts from it. And its so convenient just to copy and past the unformatted text into your favorite editor or word processor. When in HTML, I can also do a copy/paste into my prefered word processor. Why your newspaper is not in plain-text ? There is no e-newspaper I know of that is sent in plain text. They are all sent in a variety of "clever" intereactive digital formats. I subscribe to three so I know. I get HTML emails from all of them every day. You can copy/special paste from a browser window and lose the formatting and that's fine. What's the problem? This nonesense, anti-deluvial crap about plain-text is crap and nowhere near real-world. Who are you people and what world do you inhabit? -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ I want to die in my sleep like my grandfather did, not screaming and yelling like the passengers in his car. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
Ray_Net composed on 2017-01-25 22:26 (UTC+0100): Felix Miata wrote: Ray_Net composed on 2017-01-25 22:00 (UTC+0100): Why your newspaper is not in plain-text ? What's a newspaper? Use the first link found -> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Newspaper wikipedia It was a joke. Emails aren't newspapers. Newspapers are comprised of many subjects and many pages. Rarely is an email or news post more than a paragraph or three or five. Those text size and font variations newspapers use rarely have applicability in the context of small text bodies. Individual articles in newspapers usually and for good reason use only one size and style. Most HTML email users don't use any rich text features even if and when appropriate, making the HTML markup and CSS styling pure useless bloat. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
Felix Miata wrote on 25-01-17 22:17: Ray_Net composed on 2017-01-25 22:00 (UTC+0100): Why your newspaper is not in plain-text ? What's a newspaper? Use the first link found -> http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Newspaper wikipedia ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
Ray_Net composed on 2017-01-25 22:00 (UTC+0100): Why your newspaper is not in plain-text ? What's a newspaper? -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
Frank-Rainer Grahl wrote on 25-01-17 08:52: Well I prefer plain text not because of bandwidth limitation but it has other advantages: Security: No stupid picture links trying to divert you to an attack site. You see the links in plain text and can decide if they are legit. No hidden tags etc... Readability: Most web fonts just s*ck and if the sender decides to really play with colors and stuff it get urgkkk very fast :) When I send and read mail its usually because of the information and the blink blink just distracts from it. And its so convenient just to copy and past the unformatted text into your favorite editor or word processor. When in HTML, I can also do a copy/paste into my prefered word processor. Why your newspaper is not in plain-text ? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 25-01-17 19:09: Bret Busby wrote: It is really quite a simple matter. If a person sending an email message, intends to show respect for the people expected to read the message, the message will be sent in plain text format. If the person sending an email message, intends to show contempt for the people expected to read the email message, it will be sent in other than plain text format (unless, it is explicitly requested to be sent in other than plain text format, by all the people who are expected to read it). As you've already shown, not all senders are alike, and not all recipients are alike; their needs and preferences differ. One size does not fit all, and the contempt you perceive based on your personal needs and preferences is not necessarily the attitude of the sender. Specifically, formatting features were developed (long before the computer was invented) as a way of conveying useful information such as emphasis. Book titles and foreign words were routinely italicized for a long time before we figured out how to do that with computers. Headings were routinely bolded and enlarged for a long time before we figured out how to do that with computers. I have many correspondents that are put off by the stone-age approach of plain text, and they feel honored and respected when I send something that is easier to read even if it costs them an extra penny or two a year. In this forum, I honor the local convention and send plain text, but elsewhere I live in the 21st century. YMMV. Mine, too. +2 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
On 1/25/2017 at 1:09 PM, Paul B. Gallagher's prodigious digits fired off with great aplomb: Bret Busby wrote: It is really quite a simple matter. If a person sending an email message, intends to show respect for the people expected to read the message, the message will be sent in plain text format. If the person sending an email message, intends to show contempt for the people expected to read the email message, it will be sent in other than plain text format (unless, it is explicitly requested to be sent in other than plain text format, by all the people who are expected to read it). As you've already shown, not all senders are alike, and not all recipients are alike; their needs and preferences differ. One size does not fit all, and the contempt you perceive based on your personal needs and preferences is not necessarily the attitude of the sender. Specifically, formatting features were developed (long before the computer was invented) as a way of conveying useful information such as emphasis. Book titles and foreign words were routinely italicized for a long time before we figured out how to do that with computers. Headings were routinely bolded and enlarged for a long time before we figured out how to do that with computers. I have many correspondents that are put off by the stone-age approach of plain text, and they feel honored and respected when I send something that is easier to read even if it costs them an extra penny or two a year. In this forum, I honor the local convention and send plain text, but elsewhere I live in the 21st century. YMMV. Mine, too. +1 -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ And whose cruel idea was it to put an S in the word Lisp? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
Bret Busby wrote: It is really quite a simple matter. If a person sending an email message, intends to show respect for the people expected to read the message, the message will be sent in plain text format. If the person sending an email message, intends to show contempt for the people expected to read the email message, it will be sent in other than plain text format (unless, it is explicitly requested to be sent in other than plain text format, by all the people who are expected to read it). As you've already shown, not all senders are alike, and not all recipients are alike; their needs and preferences differ. One size does not fit all, and the contempt you perceive based on your personal needs and preferences is not necessarily the attitude of the sender. Specifically, formatting features were developed (long before the computer was invented) as a way of conveying useful information such as emphasis. Book titles and foreign words were routinely italicized for a long time before we figured out how to do that with computers. Headings were routinely bolded and enlarged for a long time before we figured out how to do that with computers. I have many correspondents that are put off by the stone-age approach of plain text, and they feel honored and respected when I send something that is easier to read even if it costs them an extra penny or two a year. In this forum, I honor the local convention and send plain text, but elsewhere I live in the 21st century. YMMV. Mine, too. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
On Thu, 26 Jan 2017, Bret Busby wrote: Date: Thu, 26 Jan 2017 01:42:29 From: Bret Busby <b...@busby.net> To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Subject: Re: Plain-text formatting On Wed, 25 Jan 2017, Wolf wrote: Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:57:04 From: Wolf <nomail@nomail.invalid> To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey Subject: Re: Plain-text formatting Frank-Rainer Grahl schrieb: Well I prefer plain text not because of bandwidth limitation but it has other advantages: Security: No stupid picture links trying to divert you to an attack site. You see the links in plain text and can decide if they are legit. No hidden tags etc... Readability: Most web fonts just s*ck and if the sender decides to really play with colors and stuff it get urgkkk very fast :) When I send and read mail its usually because of the information and the blink blink just distracts from it. And its so convenient just to copy and past the unformatted text into your favorite editor or word processor. FRG +1 Regards Wolf It is really quite a simple matter. If a person sending an email message, intends to show respect for the people expected to read the message, the message will be sent in plain text format. If the person sending an email message, intends to show contempt for the people expected to read the email message, it will be sent in other than plain text format (unless, it is explicitly requested to be sent in other than plain text format, by all the people who are expected to read it). If a person gets a meal from a restaurant, the person does not expect to find within the meal, contents from the restaurant cat's toilet box. Similarly, for the most part, people reading an email message, do not expect it to contain extraneous (figurative) faecal matter that is usually designed to defeat email filters. After posting the above message, I remembered the recent (in the last few years, I believe) Australian federal government "Post your poop to a pollie" campaign, where the federal government requested that the public defecate each in an envelope, and put it in the postal mail (I don't envy the postal workers who would have had to clear jams in sorting machines). It is pretty much the same as sending email messages that are not in plain text format. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
On Wed, 25 Jan 2017, Wolf wrote: Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2017 18:57:04 From: Wolf <nomail@nomail.invalid> To: support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org Newsgroups: mozilla.support.seamonkey Subject: Re: Plain-text formatting Frank-Rainer Grahl schrieb: Well I prefer plain text not because of bandwidth limitation but it has other advantages: Security: No stupid picture links trying to divert you to an attack site. You see the links in plain text and can decide if they are legit. No hidden tags etc... Readability: Most web fonts just s*ck and if the sender decides to really play with colors and stuff it get urgkkk very fast :) When I send and read mail its usually because of the information and the blink blink just distracts from it. And its so convenient just to copy and past the unformatted text into your favorite editor or word processor. FRG +1 Regards Wolf It is really quite a simple matter. If a person sending an email message, intends to show respect for the people expected to read the message, the message will be sent in plain text format. If the person sending an email message, intends to show contempt for the people expected to read the email message, it will be sent in other than plain text format (unless, it is explicitly requested to be sent in other than plain text format, by all the people who are expected to read it). If a person gets a meal from a restaurant, the person does not expect to find within the meal, contents from the restaurant cat's toilet box. Similarly, for the most part, people reading an email message, do not expect it to contain extraneous (figurative) faecal matter that is usually designed to defeat email filters. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
Frank-Rainer Grahl schrieb: Well I prefer plain text not because of bandwidth limitation but it has other advantages: Security: No stupid picture links trying to divert you to an attack site. You see the links in plain text and can decide if they are legit. No hidden tags etc... Readability: Most web fonts just s*ck and if the sender decides to really play with colors and stuff it get urgkkk very fast :) When I send and read mail its usually because of the information and the blink blink just distracts from it. And its so convenient just to copy and past the unformatted text into your favorite editor or word processor. FRG +1 Regards Wolf -- Linux Mint 13, MATE, 32-bit Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.49a2 Lightning-5.1.b1-sm+tb ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
Well I prefer plain text not because of bandwidth limitation but it has other advantages: Security: No stupid picture links trying to divert you to an attack site. You see the links in plain text and can decide if they are legit. No hidden tags etc... Readability: Most web fonts just s*ck and if the sender decides to really play with colors and stuff it get urgkkk very fast :) When I send and read mail its usually because of the information and the blink blink just distracts from it. And its so convenient just to copy and past the unformatted text into your favorite editor or word processor. FRG Felix Miata wrote: Paul B. Gallagher composed on 2017-01-23 13:29 (UTC-0500): Even in the U.S., reasonably priced broadband is not hard to find. Except in places where it's either impossible to find, or limited to prohibitively expensive satellite service. Not everyone is in position to choose to move just because decent Internet service cannot be had in their area. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
Ed Mullen composed on 2017-01-24 21:41 (UTC-0500): However, stats I read recently state that most people here can get high speed. Yes, if you live in rural Iowa, maybe not, but most people do not live there. Most people live in high density areas. I'm in suburban Atlanta and get 100 Mbs via Comcast cable. It's faster than most on the 'net. Here in FL there are plenty of places that are surrounded by broadband but people cannot get it at any price. Just because 7-Eleven, WalMart and McDonalds are only 10 minutes or less away doesn't mean broadband is available. Internet still isn't treated as a necessary utility everywhere in the USA like electricity is. Outside the US there are more areas where no one can get it. In any event, it's rude to be wasteful of others' resources. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
On 1/24/2017 at 5:49 PM, Felix Miata's prodigious digits fired off with great aplomb: Paul B. Gallagher composed on 2017-01-23 13:29 (UTC-0500): Even in the U.S., reasonably priced broadband is not hard to find. Except in places where it's either impossible to find, or limited to prohibitively expensive satellite service. Not everyone is in position to choose to move just because decent Internet service cannot be had in their area. True enough. However, stats I read recently state that most people here can get high speed. Yes, if you live in rural Iowa, maybe not, but most people do not live there. Most people live in high density areas. I'm in suburban Atlanta and get 100 Mbs via Comcast cable. It's faster than most on the 'net. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Is there another word for synonym? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
Paul B. Gallagher composed on 2017-01-23 13:29 (UTC-0500): Even in the U.S., reasonably priced broadband is not hard to find. Except in places where it's either impossible to find, or limited to prohibitively expensive satellite service. Not everyone is in position to choose to move just because decent Internet service cannot be had in their area. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fwd: Plain-text formatting
On 24/01/2017, Daniel <dan...@albury.net.spam.au> wrote: > On 24/01/2017 1:49 AM, Bret Busby wrote: >> Forwarding what should have been an off-list message, to the list, as >> the address to which the reply was addressed, is bogus. >> >> -- Forwarded message -- >> From: Bret Busby <bret.bu...@gmail.com> >> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:46:45 +0800 >> Subject: Re: Plain-text formatting >> To: Daniel <dan...@albury.net.spam.au> >> >> On 23/01/2017, Daniel <dan...@albury.net.spam.au> wrote: >> >> >>> >>> One day, if I'm lucky, I'll get an ADSL standard connection. But not >>> soon!! >>> >>> -- >>> Daniel >>> >> >> Ah - I think you will be out of luck, there. >> >> The whole landline telephone network is being progressively shut down, >> in Australia, and, replaced with the forced NBN thing, which means, >> amongst other things, that the emergency services will be >> incommunicado, in an electricity failure. We are told that we will >> have to keep our cellphones fully charged, all of the time, to provide >> for the NBN and therefore, communications with the emergency services, >> going down. But, for people like us, who have intermittent cellphone >> access, "we just gotta die" After all, Western Australia IS a remote >> community... I don't know what your cellphone access in Albury, is >> like, but, if it is as bad as ours, you will need a very reliable >> prayer book. >> >> > No, Bret, my mobile 'phone access is reasonably reliable, even here at > Broadford, Vic, but, because of my previous poor landline 'phone service > at my previous residence (Killara on the outskirts of Wodonga), I've > been using a 3G USB Dongle for my Internet access for many years. > > And my ISP is not one of the big, powerful, NBN providers, so I may not > be getting an improved service from the NBN! > NBN does not necessarily mean that customers get the speeds that they want or expect. Our ADSL2 service gives us maximum normal download speed of around 8-9Mb/s, or, 1 MB/s, and, in watching my system monitor, I have seen it peak at 2MB/s. However, in Australia (where the Internet is officially not regarded as telecommunications, by the office of the TIO), many people are not able to get ADSL speeds that others can get, with the whizzbang NBN dump. Of course, then, there are the issues such as hosting server capacities, and, incompetent (or malicious) web design, so that, for example, I can get Ubuntu Linux system updates, downloading at anything up to 2 MB/s, and, weather bureau (government websites are apparently, the worst written websites on the Internet) local observations web pages, timing out And, in terms of demand for services, being a factor, I generally get the best download speeds, from youtube. So, whilst the NBN is touted as the wonderful, whizzbang, high speed breakthrough for Australia, what Australia is getting, is like the electricity supply - "sometimes it works, and, sometimes, it doesn't, so, if you do not expect it to work, you will not be disappointed". -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fwd: Plain-text formatting
On 24/01/2017 1:49 AM, Bret Busby wrote: Forwarding what should have been an off-list message, to the list, as the address to which the reply was addressed, is bogus. -- Forwarded message -- From: Bret Busby <bret.bu...@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:46:45 +0800 Subject: Re: Plain-text formatting To: Daniel <dan...@albury.net.spam.au> On 23/01/2017, Daniel <dan...@albury.net.spam.au> wrote: One day, if I'm lucky, I'll get an ADSL standard connection. But not soon!! -- Daniel Ah - I think you will be out of luck, there. The whole landline telephone network is being progressively shut down, in Australia, and, replaced with the forced NBN thing, which means, amongst other things, that the emergency services will be incommunicado, in an electricity failure. We are told that we will have to keep our cellphones fully charged, all of the time, to provide for the NBN and therefore, communications with the emergency services, going down. But, for people like us, who have intermittent cellphone access, "we just gotta die" After all, Western Australia IS a remote community... I don't know what your cellphone access in Albury, is like, but, if it is as bad as ours, you will need a very reliable prayer book. No, Bret, my mobile 'phone access is reasonably reliable, even here at Broadford, Vic, but, because of my previous poor landline 'phone service at my previous residence (Killara on the outskirts of Wodonga), I've been using a 3G USB Dongle for my Internet access for many years. And my ISP is not one of the big, powerful, NBN providers, so I may not be getting an improved service from the NBN! -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.46 Build identifier: 20161213183751 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
Ray_Net wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 22-01-17 20:25: mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: It seems to be having anything other than a-z (even an accented character) adjacent to the opening or closing asterisk that prevents the text from being formatted: *Several words with no numbers* *Several words ending with a number 1* *1 number and several words* *Several words ending with punctuation!* *Several words ending with an accented á* *==* It's not a problem having any of those characters in the middle of the text, just not at the start or end: *Several words with 1 number in the middle* *Several words with an accented á in the middle* *xx* Not sure what people want to do with that... Well done! And now we know it wasn't the OP's fault. Particularly as they posted as HTML anyway. Therefore, it's better to write in HTML . One could argue that this whole discussion arose precisely because the OP *did* post in HTML, with unnecessary formatting on a few lines. If the original message started out as plain-text, I don't suppose those lines would have been surrounded by "*"s at all! plain-text with _*/bold/italic/underline gadget/*_ IS NOT USABLE ! There's not really any need for a mail client to even try formatting * / and _ in plain text messages. I think those were originally just a human reading convention. You'd see a word or a few words surrounded by those characters and understand that the message was intended to be read with emphasis on /those/ particular words. I think mail clients actually attempting to formatting the text as such came later. That feature seems to be a a bit hit-and-miss, and it's going to be to a certain extent since those characters don't necessarily mean the author intended them to be interpreted as formatting at all. Perhaps it would save the confusion if the mail client didn't even try formatting plain text - just display it as unformatted text and let the human get on with interpreting it ;o) -- Mark. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
Daniel wrote: On 23/01/2017 1:55 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: In the modern era of terabyte disks and gigabyte RAM, who the (*&^(*&^ cares about a couple of extra kilobytes? It may be mathematically or logically inelegant, but we're talking about sofa-cushion change, not real money. Pick me!! I care!! And what give you the (*&^(*&^ right to require me to spend some of my meager dollars on bigger HD's and faster internet connections just so that *you* can feel smug, Paul?? I'm not requiring you to do anything. And it's certainly not because I want to feel smug. My point was that a web designer or an email sender can reasonably expect a visitor or reader to have those things because they're so cheap and so ubiquitous nowadays. I don't have to write for 4.77 MHz and a 20 MB HDD (as in my first PC XT) because no one runs those anymore. I do realize (for example) there is a shrinking minority of XP users, but I'm not one who made that choice. If you choose to remain 20 years behind the times, that's your choice, not mine, and you have to live with the consequences of your choice. If you don't like them, make another choice. It's all up to you. One day, if I'm lucky, I'll get an ADSL standard connection. But not soon!! Up to you. Not my fault, not my problem. Even in the U.S., reasonably priced broadband is not hard to find. In more advanced nations like South Korea, the entry level is what we call high-speed broadband. Everyone can play high-def video on their smartphones. One thing you can do -- as I do -- is to delete messages you will never need to read again. I could probably afford to keep every message I've ever sent or received, but in practice only 5-10% are ever going to be useful. I have email archives going back 20 years, and my SM profile takes up 5 GB, but if it were 6 GB or even 10 GB it wouldn't cost me a penny more. A couple of KB here or there (six orders of magnitude less) really doesn't make a difference. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
On 1/22/2017 at 9:55 PM, Paul B. Gallagher's prodigious digits fired off with great aplomb: Felix Miata wrote: Ed Mullen composed on 2017-01-22 18:49 (UTC-0500): Virtually no one I communicate with uses plain text and hasn't in decades. And 99.9% of commercial email is HTML. I just don't get the aversion to it. 1-styling that, like most web sites, disregards user settings, resulting in tiny fonts and other abuse of those whose settings and/or vision isn't the equal of the sender. Any tool can be used well or badly. That's the sender's choice, and smart senders should learn to use HTML well. By the same token, smart users should learn to set their prefs according to their needs. If "medium" size = 12 pt is too small, redefine it to 18 pt or whatever floats your boat. 2-overhead that almost always is unnecessary to the communication of words. e.g a 1.3KB email I send to a yahoogroups.com mailing list being returned at 18.9KB, the vast majority of increase which is embedded styling and markup, overhead that remains for each message that is kept for reference instead of being discarded. In the modern era of terabyte disks and gigabyte RAM, who the (*&^(*&^ cares about a couple of extra kilobytes? It may be mathematically or logically inelegant, but we're talking about sofa-cushion change, not real money. Well said! -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Love is always bestowed as a gift - freely, willingly and without expectation. We don't love to be loved; we love to love. - Leo Buscaglia ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Fwd: Plain-text formatting
Bret Busby wrote on 23-01-17 15:49: Forwarding what should have been an off-list message, to the list, as the address to which the reply was addressed, is bogus. -- Forwarded message -- From: Bret Busby <bret.bu...@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:46:45 +0800 Subject: Re: Plain-text formatting To: Daniel <dan...@albury.net.spam.au> On 23/01/2017, Daniel <dan...@albury.net.spam.au> wrote: One day, if I'm lucky, I'll get an ADSL standard connection. But not soon!! -- Daniel Ah - I think you will be out of luck, there. The whole landline telephone network is being progressively shut down, in Australia, and, replaced with the forced NBN thing, which means, amongst other things, that the emergency services will be incommunicado, in an electricity failure. We are told that we will have to keep our cellphones fully charged, all of the time, to provide for the NBN and therefore, communications with the emergency services, going down. But, for people like us, who have intermittent cellphone access, "we just gotta die" After all, Western Australia IS a remote community... I don't know what your cellphone access in Albury, is like, but, if it is as bad as ours, you will need a very reliable prayer book. We have the same problem and more important, during an electricity failure the cellphones servers will be also down... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
On 23/01/2017, Bret Busby <bret.bu...@gmail.com> wrote: > Forwarding what should have been an off-list message, to the list, as > the address to which the reply was addressed, is bogus. > > -- Forwarded message -- > From: Bret Busby <bret.bu...@gmail.com> > Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:46:45 +0800 > Subject: Re: Plain-text formatting > To: Daniel <dan...@albury.net.spam.au> > > On 23/01/2017, Daniel <dan...@albury.net.spam.au> wrote: > > >> >> One day, if I'm lucky, I'll get an ADSL standard connection. But not >> soon!! >> >> -- >> Daniel >> > > Ah - I think you will be out of luck, there. > > The whole landline telephone network is being progressively shut down, > in Australia, and, replaced with the forced NBN thing, which means, > amongst other things, that the emergency services will be > incommunicado, in an electricity failure. We are told that we will > have to keep our cellphones fully charged, all of the time, to provide > for the NBN and therefore, communications with the emergency services, > going down. But, for people like us, who have intermittent cellphone > access, "we just gotta die" After all, Western Australia IS a remote > community... I don't know what your cellphone access in Albury, is > like, but, if it is as bad as ours, you will need a very reliable > prayer book. > Oh, and, because this is a country where households get punished for having and using domestic rooftop photovoltaic systems (Australia has yet to progress out of the coal-fired steam age), we are prohibited from having and using battery storage systems, that could otherwise help protect us from the all-too frequent electricity blackouts due to malevolent and incompetent electricity companies. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Fwd: Plain-text formatting
Forwarding what should have been an off-list message, to the list, as the address to which the reply was addressed, is bogus. -- Forwarded message -- From: Bret Busby <bret.bu...@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2017 22:46:45 +0800 Subject: Re: Plain-text formatting To: Daniel <dan...@albury.net.spam.au> On 23/01/2017, Daniel <dan...@albury.net.spam.au> wrote: > > One day, if I'm lucky, I'll get an ADSL standard connection. But not soon!! > > -- > Daniel > Ah - I think you will be out of luck, there. The whole landline telephone network is being progressively shut down, in Australia, and, replaced with the forced NBN thing, which means, amongst other things, that the emergency services will be incommunicado, in an electricity failure. We are told that we will have to keep our cellphones fully charged, all of the time, to provide for the NBN and therefore, communications with the emergency services, going down. But, for people like us, who have intermittent cellphone access, "we just gotta die" After all, Western Australia IS a remote community... I don't know what your cellphone access in Albury, is like, but, if it is as bad as ours, you will need a very reliable prayer book. -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 -- Bret Busby Armadale West Australia .. "So once you do know what the question actually is, you'll know what the answer means." - Deep Thought, Chapter 28 of Book 1 of "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy: A Trilogy In Four Parts", written by Douglas Adams, published by Pan Books, 1992 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
On 23/01/2017 1:55 PM, Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Felix Miata wrote: Ed Mullen composed on 2017-01-22 18:49 (UTC-0500): Virtually no one I communicate with uses plain text and hasn't in decades. And 99.9% of commercial email is HTML. I just don't get the aversion to it. 1-styling that, like most web sites, disregards user settings, resulting in tiny fonts and other abuse of those whose settings and/or vision isn't the equal of the sender. Any tool can be used well or badly. That's the sender's choice, and smart senders should learn to use HTML well. By the same token, smart users should learn to set their prefs according to their needs. If "medium" size = 12 pt is too small, redefine it to 18 pt or whatever floats your boat. 2-overhead that almost always is unnecessary to the communication of words. e.g a 1.3KB email I send to a yahoogroups.com mailing list being returned at 18.9KB, the vast majority of increase which is embedded styling and markup, overhead that remains for each message that is kept for reference instead of being discarded. In the modern era of terabyte disks and gigabyte RAM, who the (*&^(*&^ cares about a couple of extra kilobytes? It may be mathematically or logically inelegant, but we're talking about sofa-cushion change, not real money. Pick me!! I care!! And what give you the (*&^(*&^ right to require me to spend some of my meager dollars on bigger HD's and faster internet connections just so that *you* can feel smug, Paul?? One day, if I'm lucky, I'll get an ADSL standard connection. But not soon!! -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:49.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.46 Build identifier: 20161213183751 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:41.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.38 Build identifier: 20150903203501 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
Felix Miata wrote on 23-01-17 07:34: Paul B. Gallagher composed on 2017-01-22 21:55 (UTC-0500): Felix Miata wrote: Ed Mullen composed on 2017-01-22 18:49 (UTC-0500): Virtually no one I communicate with uses plain text and hasn't in decades. And 99.9% of commercial email is HTML. I just don't get the aversion to it. 1-styling that, like most web sites, disregards user settings, resulting in tiny fonts and other abuse of those whose settings and/or vision isn't the equal of the sender. Any tool can be used well or badly. That's the sender's choice, and smart senders should learn to use HTML well. Few email senders are smart enough to know they use HTML email. The email apps by default make it happen and they don't have any clue. By the same token, smart users should learn to set their prefs according to their needs. If "medium" size = 12 pt is too small, redefine it to 18 pt or whatever floats your boat. Same problem. The defaults unusually get changed. My defaults are optimally set for when they don't manage to somehow get overridden by rude incoming, as almost always occurs when viewing of email is not set to plain text only. 2-overhead that almost always is unnecessary to the communication of words. e.g a 1.3KB email I send to a yahoogroups.com mailing list being returned at 18.9KB, the vast majority of increase which is embedded styling and markup, overhead that remains for each message that is kept for reference instead of being discarded. In the modern era of terabyte disks and gigabyte RAM, who the (*&^(*&^ cares about a couple of extra kilobytes? That "who cares" attitude is a too common problem among baby-boomers and younger. Needless waste is nearly always to them an acceptable standard. Fill up the landfills, real and electronic, devour natural resources, and let others, including younger generations, pay the price. It may be mathematically or logically inelegant, but we're talking about sofa-cushion change, not real money. Not everyone has an email device only a few generations old or newer, or ample storage, or the extra backup time or media to spare on wastefulness, or broadband connectivity to hide the inefficiency of marking up a message with a non-zero quantity of bytes that add nothing to the communication. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ AND I SAY: YOUR SIGNATURE ADD NOTHING TO THE COMMUNICATION :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
Paul B. Gallagher composed on 2017-01-22 21:55 (UTC-0500): Felix Miata wrote: Ed Mullen composed on 2017-01-22 18:49 (UTC-0500): Virtually no one I communicate with uses plain text and hasn't in decades. And 99.9% of commercial email is HTML. I just don't get the aversion to it. 1-styling that, like most web sites, disregards user settings, resulting in tiny fonts and other abuse of those whose settings and/or vision isn't the equal of the sender. Any tool can be used well or badly. That's the sender's choice, and smart senders should learn to use HTML well. Few email senders are smart enough to know they use HTML email. The email apps by default make it happen and they don't have any clue. By the same token, smart users should learn to set their prefs according to their needs. If "medium" size = 12 pt is too small, redefine it to 18 pt or whatever floats your boat. Same problem. The defaults unusually get changed. My defaults are optimally set for when they don't manage to somehow get overridden by rude incoming, as almost always occurs when viewing of email is not set to plain text only. 2-overhead that almost always is unnecessary to the communication of words. e.g a 1.3KB email I send to a yahoogroups.com mailing list being returned at 18.9KB, the vast majority of increase which is embedded styling and markup, overhead that remains for each message that is kept for reference instead of being discarded. In the modern era of terabyte disks and gigabyte RAM, who the (*&^(*&^ cares about a couple of extra kilobytes? That "who cares" attitude is a too common problem among baby-boomers and younger. Needless waste is nearly always to them an acceptable standard. Fill up the landfills, real and electronic, devour natural resources, and let others, including younger generations, pay the price. It may be mathematically or logically inelegant, but we're talking about sofa-cushion change, not real money. Not everyone has an email device only a few generations old or newer, or ample storage, or the extra backup time or media to spare on wastefulness, or broadband connectivity to hide the inefficiency of marking up a message with a non-zero quantity of bytes that add nothing to the communication. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
Felix Miata wrote: Ed Mullen composed on 2017-01-22 18:49 (UTC-0500): Virtually no one I communicate with uses plain text and hasn't in decades. And 99.9% of commercial email is HTML. I just don't get the aversion to it. 1-styling that, like most web sites, disregards user settings, resulting in tiny fonts and other abuse of those whose settings and/or vision isn't the equal of the sender. Any tool can be used well or badly. That's the sender's choice, and smart senders should learn to use HTML well. By the same token, smart users should learn to set their prefs according to their needs. If "medium" size = 12 pt is too small, redefine it to 18 pt or whatever floats your boat. 2-overhead that almost always is unnecessary to the communication of words. e.g a 1.3KB email I send to a yahoogroups.com mailing list being returned at 18.9KB, the vast majority of increase which is embedded styling and markup, overhead that remains for each message that is kept for reference instead of being discarded. In the modern era of terabyte disks and gigabyte RAM, who the (*&^(*&^ cares about a couple of extra kilobytes? It may be mathematically or logically inelegant, but we're talking about sofa-cushion change, not real money. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting
Ed Mullen composed on 2017-01-22 18:49 (UTC-0500): Virtually no one I communicate with uses plain text and hasn't in decades. And 99.9% of commercial email is HTML. I just don't get the aversion to it. 1-styling that, like most web sites, disregards user settings, resulting in tiny fonts and other abuse of those whose settings and/or vision isn't the equal of the sender. 2-overhead that almost always is unnecessary to the communication of words. e.g a 1.3KB email I send to a yahoogroups.com mailing list being returned at 18.9KB, the vast majority of increase which is embedded styling and markup, overhead that remains for each message that is kept for reference instead of being discarded. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting [Was: Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.4 and v2.46]
On 1/22/2017 at 5:16 PM, Ray_Net's prodigious digits fired off with great aplomb: Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 22-01-17 20:25: mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I just wrote: I see that; it seems to be a recent development. The second line is especially surprising. Your individual word *bold* works, but multiple *bold words* apparently no longer do. Or perhaps it's the inclusion of a sentence terminator that causes this. *One* word *Two words* *Two. Words* with a period Saving and opening a draft saves waiting for an email to make the round trip before seeing the results ;o) It seems to be having anything other than a-z (even an accented character) adjacent to the opening or closing asterisk that prevents the text from being formatted: *Several words with no numbers* *Several words ending with a number 1* *1 number and several words* *Several words ending with punctuation!* *Several words ending with an accented á* *==* It's not a problem having any of those characters in the middle of the text, just not at the start or end: *Several words with 1 number in the middle* *Several words with an accented á in the middle* *xx* Not sure what people want to do with that... Well done! And now we know it wasn't the OP's fault. Therefore, it's better to write in HTML . plain-text with _*/bold/italic/underline gadget/*_ IS NOT USABLE ! I understand that old-timers (circa the 80s/early 90s) are hung up on plain text. But since starting to use corporate email in the 80s the vast majority of my email experience has been HTML. Virtually no one I communicate with uses plain text and hasn't in decades. And 99.9% of commercial email is HTML. I just don't get the aversion to it. I mean, c'mon, it's frigging 2017, not 1982! -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Are you tired, rundown, listless? There's a nap for that. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting [Was: Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.4 and v2.46]
Paul B. Gallagher wrote on 22-01-17 20:25: mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I just wrote: I see that; it seems to be a recent development. The second line is especially surprising. Your individual word *bold* works, but multiple *bold words* apparently no longer do. Or perhaps it's the inclusion of a sentence terminator that causes this. *One* word *Two words* *Two. Words* with a period Saving and opening a draft saves waiting for an email to make the round trip before seeing the results ;o) It seems to be having anything other than a-z (even an accented character) adjacent to the opening or closing asterisk that prevents the text from being formatted: *Several words with no numbers* *Several words ending with a number 1* *1 number and several words* *Several words ending with punctuation!* *Several words ending with an accented á* *==* It's not a problem having any of those characters in the middle of the text, just not at the start or end: *Several words with 1 number in the middle* *Several words with an accented á in the middle* *xx* Not sure what people want to do with that... Well done! And now we know it wasn't the OP's fault. Therefore, it's better to write in HTML . plain-text with bold/italic/underline gadget IS NOT USABLE ! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting [Was: Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.4 and v2.46]
mozilla-lists.mbou...@spamgourmet.com wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I just wrote: I see that; it seems to be a recent development. The second line is especially surprising. Your individual word *bold* works, but multiple *bold words* apparently no longer do. Or perhaps it's the inclusion of a sentence terminator that causes this. *One* word *Two words* *Two. Words* with a period Saving and opening a draft saves waiting for an email to make the round trip before seeing the results ;o) It seems to be having anything other than a-z (even an accented character) adjacent to the opening or closing asterisk that prevents the text from being formatted: *Several words with no numbers* *Several words ending with a number 1* *1 number and several words* *Several words ending with punctuation!* *Several words ending with an accented á* *==* It's not a problem having any of those characters in the middle of the text, just not at the start or end: *Several words with 1 number in the middle* *Several words with an accented á in the middle* *xx* Not sure what people want to do with that... Well done! And now we know it wasn't the OP's fault. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: Plain-text formatting [Was: Archived Email Messages Faded Out in SM v2.4 and v2.46]
Paul B. Gallagher wrote: I just wrote: I see that; it seems to be a recent development. The second line is especially surprising. Your individual word *bold* works, but multiple *bold words* apparently no longer do. Or perhaps it's the inclusion of a sentence terminator that causes this. *One* word *Two words* *Two. Words* with a period Saving and opening a draft saves waiting for an email to make the round trip before seeing the results ;o) It seems to be having anything other than a-z (even an accented character) adjacent to the opening or closing asterisk that prevents the text from being formatted: *Several words with no numbers* *Several words ending with a number 1* *1 number and several words* *Several words ending with punctuation!* *Several words ending with an accented á* *==* It's not a problem having any of those characters in the middle of the text, just not at the start or end: *Several words with 1 number in the middle* *Several words with an accented á in the middle* *xx* Not sure what people want to do with that... -- Mark. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
