Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
On 04/11/14 11:31, WaltS48 wrote: On 11/03/2014 06:05 PM, Ray_Net wrote: EE wrote, On 03/11/2014 19:19: Poldek wrote: vali.ma...@gmail.com wrote: I echo this sentiment. As a developer and web user since the NCSA Mosaic days, I am glad to see Seamonkey remain true to its roots as a no-nonsense product not afraid to expose the dirty guts instead of dumbing it down like some other browsers. I have only recently switched back to Seamonkey after the long and arduous experience with firefox, chromium, and opera. Having just installed and taken Seamonkey for a spin on my Mac I am amazed at how responsive and fast it is compared to the other browsers. Keep up the good work. Thanks for all the fish. I keep using SeaMonkey since Netscape Navigator 3.xx and Windows 3.11 :-) It's the BEST! I agree. It is the best of the Mozilla applications, and the best browser available. I am happy with it. However SM would be PERFECT if all the bugs are corrected :-) Might help if somebody helped triage these 108 Unconfirmed Bugs https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=11498558resolution=---classification=Client%20Softwarequery_format=advancedbug_status=UNCONFIRMEDcomponent=Generalproduct=SeaMonkey Walt, this topic of triaging SM bugs came up at yesterdays SM devs meeting on IRC (was it before or after I noticed you logging on to IRC??). -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:32.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.29 Build identifier: 20140829003846 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.30 Build identifier: 20141009214701 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
On 12/11/2014 16:33, Daniel wrote: On 04/11/14 11:31, WaltS48 wrote: I am happy with it. However SM would be PERFECT if all the bugs are corrected :-) Might help if somebody helped triage these 108 Unconfirmed Bugs https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=11498558resolution=---classification=Client%20Softwarequery_format=advancedbug_status=UNCONFIRMEDcomponent=Generalproduct=SeaMonkey Walt, this topic of triaging SM bugs came up at yesterdays SM devs meeting on IRC (was it before or after I noticed you logging on to IRC??). I think he connected after the meeting. But here is the relevant bug: Bug 1092632 - (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1092632 Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
On 11/12/2014 06:44 AM, Philip Chee wrote: On 12/11/2014 16:33, Daniel wrote: On 04/11/14 11:31, WaltS48 wrote: I am happy with it. However SM would be PERFECT if all the bugs are corrected :-) Might help if somebody helped triage these 108 Unconfirmed Bugs https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=11498558resolution=---classification=Client%20Softwarequery_format=advancedbug_status=UNCONFIRMEDcomponent=Generalproduct=SeaMonkey Walt, this topic of triaging SM bugs came up at yesterdays SM devs meeting on IRC (was it before or after I noticed you logging on to IRC??). I think he connected after the meeting. But here is the relevant bug: Bug 1092632 - (Sm_tri_HowTo) Document how to triage SeaMonkey bugs https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1092632 Phil I did connect just as the meeting was ending. Interesting bug report and added myself to the cc list. I did offer at one time to help triage Thunderbird bugs, but that sort of fell by the wayside because of several reasons. This may help mitigate some of them. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
On 07/11/14 00:56, Philip Chee wrote: On 06/11/2014 16:48, Daniel wrote: On 05/11/14 23:45, Philip Chee wrote: Snip Apparently there is a university or college in India that tells its IT students to use bugzilla.mozilla.org for their class assignments (instead of using https://landfill.bugzilla.org/). Every year a new semester starts and we get a rash of these pests. Hang around bugzilla long enough and you learn to recognize these people. Closing such bugs as INVALID means the developers don't have to waste their time looking at them. Phil Phil, do you mean these students are just closing the bugs for the hell of it, or that they are testing the program and mis-directing you guys or .? They file random nonsensical bugs as practice or perhaps to get some course credits. Phil Ah!! Thanks! -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:32.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.29 Build identifier: 20140829003846 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.30 Build identifier: 20141009214701 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
On 3. 11. 2014 17.36 goź., Poldek wrote: vali.ma...@gmail.com wrote: I echo this sentiment. As a developer and web user since the NCSA Mosaic days, I am glad to see Seamonkey remain true to its roots as a no-nonsense product not afraid to expose the dirty guts instead of dumbing it down like some other browsers. I have only recently switched back to Seamonkey after the long and arduous experience with firefox, chromium, and opera. Having just installed and taken Seamonkey for a spin on my Mac I am amazed at how responsive and fast it is compared to the other browsers. Keep up the good work. Thanks for all the fish. I keep using SeaMonkey since Netscape Navigator 3.xx and Windows 3.11 :-) It's the BEST! I'm using Seamonkey since the famous Netscape Communicator with Windows 95 and 98 It is the best of the best!!! Live long and prosper!! Gratitude to all the developpers @lex ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
On 05/11/14 23:45, Philip Chee wrote: Snip Apparently there is a university or college in India that tells its IT students to use bugzilla.mozilla.org for their class assignments (instead of using https://landfill.bugzilla.org/). Every year a new semester starts and we get a rash of these pests. Hang around bugzilla long enough and you learn to recognize these people. Closing such bugs as INVALID means the developers don't have to waste their time looking at them. Phil Phil, do you mean these students are just closing the bugs for the hell of it, or that they are testing the program and mis-directing you guys or .? -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:32.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.29 Build identifier: 20140829003846 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.30 Build identifier: 20141009214701 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
On 05/11/2014 21:38, WaltS48 wrote: Sorry, I was under the impression that when a bug is filed email went out to several developers. That is my experience when I have filed bugs. In Bugzilla you can set up a watch list. For example you an watch the SeaMonkey product. Any new bug filed here will cause Bugzilla to send you email. Some developers do some don't. Even those that do don't usually have the time to look through all of them. I wouldn't recommend this to anyone in m.support.seamonkey though. What you *can* do is to look at Bugzilla every week or so for new bugs. This is a query I use: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?chfieldto=Nowchfield=[Bug creation]query_format=advancedchfieldfrom=-14dbug_status=UNCONFIRMEDbug_status=NEWbug_status=READYbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENEDproduct=SeaMonkeylist_id=11515255 This translates to: * Status: UNCONFIRMED, NEW, ASSIGNED, REOPENED * Product: SeaMonkey * Changed: (is greater than or equal to) -14d * Creation date: (changed after) -14d I look through them and every now and then chase someone with a NEEDINFO or to ask the reporter to carry some basic troubleshooting steps or move a bug to a more appropriate component. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
On 06/11/2014 16:48, Daniel wrote: On 05/11/14 23:45, Philip Chee wrote: Snip Apparently there is a university or college in India that tells its IT students to use bugzilla.mozilla.org for their class assignments (instead of using https://landfill.bugzilla.org/). Every year a new semester starts and we get a rash of these pests. Hang around bugzilla long enough and you learn to recognize these people. Closing such bugs as INVALID means the developers don't have to waste their time looking at them. Phil Phil, do you mean these students are just closing the bugs for the hell of it, or that they are testing the program and mis-directing you guys or .? They file random nonsensical bugs as practice or perhaps to get some course credits. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
On 11/06/2014 08:54 AM, Philip Chee wrote: On 05/11/2014 21:38, WaltS48 wrote: Sorry, I was under the impression that when a bug is filed email went out to several developers. That is my experience when I have filed bugs. In Bugzilla you can set up a watch list. For example you an watch the SeaMonkey product. Any new bug filed here will cause Bugzilla to send you email. Some developers do some don't. Even those that do don't usually have the time to look through all of them. I wouldn't recommend this to anyone in m.support.seamonkey though. What you *can* do is to look at Bugzilla every week or so for new bugs. This is a query I use: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?chfieldto=Nowchfield=[Bug creation]query_format=advancedchfieldfrom=-14dbug_status=UNCONFIRMEDbug_status=NEWbug_status=READYbug_status=ASSIGNEDbug_status=REOPENEDproduct=SeaMonkeylist_id=11515255 This translates to: * Status: UNCONFIRMED, NEW, ASSIGNED, REOPENED * Product: SeaMonkey * Changed: (is greater than or equal to) -14d * Creation date: (changed after) -14d I look through them and every now and then chase someone with a NEEDINFO or to ask the reporter to carry some basic troubleshooting steps or move a bug to a more appropriate component. Phil I can imagine the amount of bug mail a watch list could generate, and didn't think all would get read. Thanks for the clarification and search tips. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
Alex Beauroy wrote, On 06/11/2014 09:31: On 3. 11. 2014 17.36 goź., Poldek wrote: vali.ma...@gmail.com wrote: I echo this sentiment. As a developer and web user since the NCSA Mosaic days, I am glad to see Seamonkey remain true to its roots as a no-nonsense product not afraid to expose the dirty guts instead of dumbing it down like some other browsers. I have only recently switched back to Seamonkey after the long and arduous experience with firefox, chromium, and opera. Having just installed and taken Seamonkey for a spin on my Mac I am amazed at how responsive and fast it is compared to the other browsers. Keep up the good work. Thanks for all the fish. I keep using SeaMonkey since Netscape Navigator 3.xx and Windows 3.11 :-) It's the BEST! I'm using Seamonkey since the famous Netscape Communicator with Windows 95 and 98 It is the best of the best!!! Best of the best . I don't agree ... Very good yes - Perfectible yes - Bugs first priority NO. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
On 05/11/14 08:58, EE wrote: Geoff Welsh wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 11/03/2014 06:05 PM, Ray_Net wrote: EE wrote, On 03/11/2014 19:19: Poldek wrote: vali.ma...@gmail.com wrote: I echo this sentiment. As a developer and web user since the NCSA Mosaic days, I am glad to see Seamonkey remain true to its roots as a no-nonsense product not afraid to expose the dirty guts instead of dumbing it down like some other browsers. I have only recently switched back to Seamonkey after the long and arduous experience with firefox, chromium, and opera. Having just installed and taken Seamonkey for a spin on my Mac I am amazed at how responsive and fast it is compared to the other browsers. Keep up the good work. Thanks for all the fish. I keep using SeaMonkey since Netscape Navigator 3.xx and Windows 3.11 :-) It's the BEST! I agree. It is the best of the Mozilla applications, and the best browser available. I am happy with it. However SM would be PERFECT if all the bugs are corrected :-) Might help if somebody helped triage these 108 Unconfirmed Bugs https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=11498558resolution=---classification=Client%20Softwarequery_format=advancedbug_status=UNCONFIRMEDcomponent=Generalproduct=SeaMonkey or cancel ridiculous ones? A SM bug titled Firefox hanging many times with lots of windows e.g. ! GW And what about this one? Cannot open 5000 iframes from local file. Who would want to? Who would have 5000 iframes (whatever they are!!)?? -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:32.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.29 Build identifier: 20140829003846 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.30 Build identifier: 20141009214701 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
On 04/11/2014 20:40, WaltS48 wrote: or cancel ridiculous ones? A SM bug titled Firefox hanging many times with lots of windows e.g. ! GW And, to help the Devs, that Bug number is.?? The devs have seen Bug 832605 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=832605 and have set, Whiteboard: [closeme 2014-11-10]. I'm sure they have seen all of them, and are waiting for needinfo requests or other information. No the devs haven't seen this bug. The people setting the needinfo etc are triagers. That is people like you. We do need more triagers. You don't need to know how to code. You just need to be a SeaMonkey user and some common sense and some experience with bugzilla. Apparently there is a university or college in India that tells its IT students to use bugzilla.mozilla.org for their class assignments (instead of using https://landfill.bugzilla.org/). Every year a new semester starts and we get a rash of these pests. Hang around bugzilla long enough and you learn to recognize these people. Closing such bugs as INVALID means the developers don't have to waste their time looking at them. Phil -- Philip Chee phi...@aleytys.pc.my, philip.c...@gmail.com http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ http://xsidebar.mozdev.org Guard us from the she-wolf and the wolf, and guard us from the thief, oh Night, and so be good for us to pass. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
On 11/05/2014 07:45 AM, Philip Chee wrote: On 04/11/2014 20:40, WaltS48 wrote: or cancel ridiculous ones? A SM bug titled Firefox hanging many times with lots of windows e.g. ! GW And, to help the Devs, that Bug number is.?? The devs have seen Bug 832605 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=832605 and have set, Whiteboard: [closeme 2014-11-10]. I'm sure they have seen all of them, and are waiting for needinfo requests or other information. No the devs haven't seen this bug. The people setting the needinfo etc are triagers. That is people like you. We do need more triagers. You don't need to know how to code. You just need to be a SeaMonkey user and some common sense and some experience with bugzilla. Sorry, I was under the impression that when a bug is filed email went out to several developers. That is my experience when I have filed bugs. Apparently there is a university or college in India that tells its IT students to use bugzilla.mozilla.org for their class assignments (instead of using https://landfill.bugzilla.org/). Every year a new semester starts and we get a rash of these pests. Hang around bugzilla long enough and you learn to recognize these people. Closing such bugs as INVALID means the developers don't have to waste their time looking at them. Phil Good thing it is only one university! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
On 04/11/14 14:07, Geoff Welsh wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 11/03/2014 06:05 PM, Ray_Net wrote: EE wrote, On 03/11/2014 19:19: Poldek wrote: vali.ma...@gmail.com wrote: I echo this sentiment. As a developer and web user since the NCSA Mosaic days, I am glad to see Seamonkey remain true to its roots as a no-nonsense product not afraid to expose the dirty guts instead of dumbing it down like some other browsers. I have only recently switched back to Seamonkey after the long and arduous experience with firefox, chromium, and opera. Having just installed and taken Seamonkey for a spin on my Mac I am amazed at how responsive and fast it is compared to the other browsers. Keep up the good work. Thanks for all the fish. I keep using SeaMonkey since Netscape Navigator 3.xx and Windows 3.11 :-) It's the BEST! I agree. It is the best of the Mozilla applications, and the best browser available. I am happy with it. However SM would be PERFECT if all the bugs are corrected :-) Might help if somebody helped triage these 108 Unconfirmed Bugs https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=11498558resolution=---classification=Client%20Softwarequery_format=advancedbug_status=UNCONFIRMEDcomponent=Generalproduct=SeaMonkey or cancel ridiculous ones? A SM bug titled Firefox hanging many times with lots of windows e.g. ! GW And, to help the Devs, that Bug number is.?? -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:32.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.29 Build identifier: 20140829003846 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.30 Build identifier: 20141009214701 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
On 11/04/2014 06:12 AM, Daniel wrote: On 04/11/14 14:07, Geoff Welsh wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 11/03/2014 06:05 PM, Ray_Net wrote: EE wrote, On 03/11/2014 19:19: Poldek wrote: vali.ma...@gmail.com wrote: I echo this sentiment. As a developer and web user since the NCSA Mosaic days, I am glad to see Seamonkey remain true to its roots as a no-nonsense product not afraid to expose the dirty guts instead of dumbing it down like some other browsers. I have only recently switched back to Seamonkey after the long and arduous experience with firefox, chromium, and opera. Having just installed and taken Seamonkey for a spin on my Mac I am amazed at how responsive and fast it is compared to the other browsers. Keep up the good work. Thanks for all the fish. I keep using SeaMonkey since Netscape Navigator 3.xx and Windows 3.11 :-) It's the BEST! I agree. It is the best of the Mozilla applications, and the best browser available. I am happy with it. However SM would be PERFECT if all the bugs are corrected :-) Might help if somebody helped triage these 108 Unconfirmed Bugs https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=11498558resolution=---classification=Client%20Softwarequery_format=advancedbug_status=UNCONFIRMEDcomponent=Generalproduct=SeaMonkey or cancel ridiculous ones? A SM bug titled Firefox hanging many times with lots of windows e.g. ! GW And, to help the Devs, that Bug number is.?? The devs have seen Bug 832605 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=832605 and have set, Whiteboard: [closeme 2014-11-10]. I'm sure they have seen all of them, and are waiting for needinfo requests or other information. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
On 04/11/14 23:40, WaltS48 wrote: On 11/04/2014 06:12 AM, Daniel wrote: On 04/11/14 14:07, Geoff Welsh wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 11/03/2014 06:05 PM, Ray_Net wrote: EE wrote, On 03/11/2014 19:19: Poldek wrote: vali.ma...@gmail.com wrote: I echo this sentiment. As a developer and web user since the NCSA Mosaic days, I am glad to see Seamonkey remain true to its roots as a no-nonsense product not afraid to expose the dirty guts instead of dumbing it down like some other browsers. I have only recently switched back to Seamonkey after the long and arduous experience with firefox, chromium, and opera. Having just installed and taken Seamonkey for a spin on my Mac I am amazed at how responsive and fast it is compared to the other browsers. Keep up the good work. Thanks for all the fish. I keep using SeaMonkey since Netscape Navigator 3.xx and Windows 3.11 :-) It's the BEST! I agree. It is the best of the Mozilla applications, and the best browser available. I am happy with it. However SM would be PERFECT if all the bugs are corrected :-) Might help if somebody helped triage these 108 Unconfirmed Bugs https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=11498558resolution=---classification=Client%20Softwarequery_format=advancedbug_status=UNCONFIRMEDcomponent=Generalproduct=SeaMonkey or cancel ridiculous ones? A SM bug titled Firefox hanging many times with lots of windows e.g. ! GW And, to help the Devs, that Bug number is.?? The devs have seen Bug 832605 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=832605 and have set, Whiteboard: [closeme 2014-11-10]. I'm sure they have seen all of them, and are waiting for needinfo requests or other information. One wonders if they are waiting to find out if it is really SM or FF! -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:32.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.29 Build identifier: 20140829003846 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:33.0) Gecko/20100101 SeaMonkey/2.30 Build identifier: 20141009214701 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
Ray_Net wrote: EE wrote, On 03/11/2014 19:19: Poldek wrote: vali.ma...@gmail.com wrote: I echo this sentiment. As a developer and web user since the NCSA Mosaic days, I am glad to see Seamonkey remain true to its roots as a no-nonsense product not afraid to expose the dirty guts instead of dumbing it down like some other browsers. I have only recently switched back to Seamonkey after the long and arduous experience with firefox, chromium, and opera. Having just installed and taken Seamonkey for a spin on my Mac I am amazed at how responsive and fast it is compared to the other browsers. Keep up the good work. Thanks for all the fish. I keep using SeaMonkey since Netscape Navigator 3.xx and Windows 3.11 :-) It's the BEST! I agree. It is the best of the Mozilla applications, and the best browser available. I am happy with it. However SM would be PERFECT if all the bugs are corrected :-) Yes, it would be nice if the bookmark restore bug were fixed. I can restore them from HTML, but it is less hassle with .json. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
WaltS48 wrote: On 11/03/2014 06:05 PM, Ray_Net wrote: EE wrote, On 03/11/2014 19:19: Poldek wrote: vali.ma...@gmail.com wrote: I echo this sentiment. As a developer and web user since the NCSA Mosaic days, I am glad to see Seamonkey remain true to its roots as a no-nonsense product not afraid to expose the dirty guts instead of dumbing it down like some other browsers. I have only recently switched back to Seamonkey after the long and arduous experience with firefox, chromium, and opera. Having just installed and taken Seamonkey for a spin on my Mac I am amazed at how responsive and fast it is compared to the other browsers. Keep up the good work. Thanks for all the fish. I keep using SeaMonkey since Netscape Navigator 3.xx and Windows 3.11 :-) It's the BEST! I agree. It is the best of the Mozilla applications, and the best browser available. I am happy with it. However SM would be PERFECT if all the bugs are corrected :-) Might help if somebody helped triage these 108 Unconfirmed Bugs https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=11498558resolution=---classification=Client%20Softwarequery_format=advancedbug_status=UNCONFIRMEDcomponent=Generalproduct=SeaMonkey A few of those bugs are true, but most of the ones that apply to things that I actually do are not true. I do not know about most of them because they did not apply. The bugs that are true are the find bar not showing the status of the search sometimes, the icon embedded not having been updated, full screen mode not working from the keyboard shortcut for Mac OS (that now opens Adblock Plus filterlist), no full-screen view with HTML5, and the one which is not listed and is the most nuisance of all which is the bookmarks restore bug. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
Geoff Welsh wrote: WaltS48 wrote: On 11/03/2014 06:05 PM, Ray_Net wrote: EE wrote, On 03/11/2014 19:19: Poldek wrote: vali.ma...@gmail.com wrote: I echo this sentiment. As a developer and web user since the NCSA Mosaic days, I am glad to see Seamonkey remain true to its roots as a no-nonsense product not afraid to expose the dirty guts instead of dumbing it down like some other browsers. I have only recently switched back to Seamonkey after the long and arduous experience with firefox, chromium, and opera. Having just installed and taken Seamonkey for a spin on my Mac I am amazed at how responsive and fast it is compared to the other browsers. Keep up the good work. Thanks for all the fish. I keep using SeaMonkey since Netscape Navigator 3.xx and Windows 3.11 :-) It's the BEST! I agree. It is the best of the Mozilla applications, and the best browser available. I am happy with it. However SM would be PERFECT if all the bugs are corrected :-) Might help if somebody helped triage these 108 Unconfirmed Bugs https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=11498558resolution=---classification=Client%20Softwarequery_format=advancedbug_status=UNCONFIRMEDcomponent=Generalproduct=SeaMonkey or cancel ridiculous ones? A SM bug titled Firefox hanging many times with lots of windows e.g. ! GW And what about this one? Cannot open 5000 iframes from local file. Who would want to? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
EE wrote, On 04/11/2014 21:03: Ray_Net wrote: EE wrote, On 03/11/2014 19:19: Poldek wrote: vali.ma...@gmail.com wrote: I echo this sentiment. As a developer and web user since the NCSA Mosaic days, I am glad to see Seamonkey remain true to its roots as a no-nonsense product not afraid to expose the dirty guts instead of dumbing it down like some other browsers. I have only recently switched back to Seamonkey after the long and arduous experience with firefox, chromium, and opera. Having just installed and taken Seamonkey for a spin on my Mac I am amazed at how responsive and fast it is compared to the other browsers. Keep up the good work. Thanks for all the fish. I keep using SeaMonkey since Netscape Navigator 3.xx and Windows 3.11 :-) It's the BEST! I agree. It is the best of the Mozilla applications, and the best browser available. I am happy with it. However SM would be PERFECT if all the bugs are corrected :-) Yes, it would be nice if the bookmark restore bug were fixed. I can restore them from HTML, but it is less hassle with .json. OK, but SM is not a backup program, it's just a Browser combined with a mail. Exporting/Importing is perfect. Another dream of a developer who like program a backup system :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
vali.ma...@gmail.com wrote: I echo this sentiment. As a developer and web user since the NCSA Mosaic days, I am glad to see Seamonkey remain true to its roots as a no-nonsense product not afraid to expose the dirty guts instead of dumbing it down like some other browsers. I have only recently switched back to Seamonkey after the long and arduous experience with firefox, chromium, and opera. Having just installed and taken Seamonkey for a spin on my Mac I am amazed at how responsive and fast it is compared to the other browsers. Keep up the good work. Thanks for all the fish. I keep using SeaMonkey since Netscape Navigator 3.xx and Windows 3.11 :-) It's the BEST! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Poldek wrote: vali.ma...@gmail.com wrote: I echo this sentiment. As a developer and web user since the NCSA Mosaic days, I am glad to see Seamonkey remain true to its roots as a no-nonsense product not afraid to expose the dirty guts instead of dumbing it down like some other browsers. I have only recently switched back to Seamonkey after the long and arduous experience with firefox, chromium, and opera. Having just installed and taken Seamonkey for a spin on my Mac I am amazed at how responsive and fast it is compared to the other browsers. Keep up the good work. Thanks for all the fish. I keep using SeaMonkey since Netscape Navigator 3.xx and Windows 3.11 :-) It's the BEST! I agree. It is the best of the Mozilla applications, and the best browser available. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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EE wrote, On 03/11/2014 19:19: Poldek wrote: vali.ma...@gmail.com wrote: I echo this sentiment. As a developer and web user since the NCSA Mosaic days, I am glad to see Seamonkey remain true to its roots as a no-nonsense product not afraid to expose the dirty guts instead of dumbing it down like some other browsers. I have only recently switched back to Seamonkey after the long and arduous experience with firefox, chromium, and opera. Having just installed and taken Seamonkey for a spin on my Mac I am amazed at how responsive and fast it is compared to the other browsers. Keep up the good work. Thanks for all the fish. I keep using SeaMonkey since Netscape Navigator 3.xx and Windows 3.11 :-) It's the BEST! I agree. It is the best of the Mozilla applications, and the best browser available. I am happy with it. However SM would be PERFECT if all the bugs are corrected :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 11/03/2014 06:05 PM, Ray_Net wrote: EE wrote, On 03/11/2014 19:19: Poldek wrote: vali.ma...@gmail.com wrote: I echo this sentiment. As a developer and web user since the NCSA Mosaic days, I am glad to see Seamonkey remain true to its roots as a no-nonsense product not afraid to expose the dirty guts instead of dumbing it down like some other browsers. I have only recently switched back to Seamonkey after the long and arduous experience with firefox, chromium, and opera. Having just installed and taken Seamonkey for a spin on my Mac I am amazed at how responsive and fast it is compared to the other browsers. Keep up the good work. Thanks for all the fish. I keep using SeaMonkey since Netscape Navigator 3.xx and Windows 3.11 :-) It's the BEST! I agree. It is the best of the Mozilla applications, and the best browser available. I am happy with it. However SM would be PERFECT if all the bugs are corrected :-) Might help if somebody helped triage these 108 Unconfirmed Bugs https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=11498558resolution=---classification=Client%20Softwarequery_format=advancedbug_status=UNCONFIRMEDcomponent=Generalproduct=SeaMonkey ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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WaltS48 wrote: On 11/03/2014 06:05 PM, Ray_Net wrote: EE wrote, On 03/11/2014 19:19: Poldek wrote: vali.ma...@gmail.com wrote: I echo this sentiment. As a developer and web user since the NCSA Mosaic days, I am glad to see Seamonkey remain true to its roots as a no-nonsense product not afraid to expose the dirty guts instead of dumbing it down like some other browsers. I have only recently switched back to Seamonkey after the long and arduous experience with firefox, chromium, and opera. Having just installed and taken Seamonkey for a spin on my Mac I am amazed at how responsive and fast it is compared to the other browsers. Keep up the good work. Thanks for all the fish. I keep using SeaMonkey since Netscape Navigator 3.xx and Windows 3.11 :-) It's the BEST! I agree. It is the best of the Mozilla applications, and the best browser available. I am happy with it. However SM would be PERFECT if all the bugs are corrected :-) Might help if somebody helped triage these 108 Unconfirmed Bugs https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=11498558resolution=---classification=Client%20Softwarequery_format=advancedbug_status=UNCONFIRMEDcomponent=Generalproduct=SeaMonkey or cancel ridiculous ones? A SM bug titled Firefox hanging many times with lots of windows e.g. ! GW ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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WaltS48 wrote, On 04/11/2014 01:31: On 11/03/2014 06:05 PM, Ray_Net wrote: EE wrote, On 03/11/2014 19:19: Poldek wrote: vali.ma...@gmail.com wrote: I echo this sentiment. As a developer and web user since the NCSA Mosaic days, I am glad to see Seamonkey remain true to its roots as a no-nonsense product not afraid to expose the dirty guts instead of dumbing it down like some other browsers. I have only recently switched back to Seamonkey after the long and arduous experience with firefox, chromium, and opera. Having just installed and taken Seamonkey for a spin on my Mac I am amazed at how responsive and fast it is compared to the other browsers. Keep up the good work. Thanks for all the fish. I keep using SeaMonkey since Netscape Navigator 3.xx and Windows 3.11 :-) It's the BEST! I agree. It is the best of the Mozilla applications, and the best browser available. I am happy with it. However SM would be PERFECT if all the bugs are corrected :-) Might help if somebody helped triage these 108 Unconfirmed Bugs https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/buglist.cgi?list_id=11498558resolution=---classification=Client%20Softwarequery_format=advancedbug_status=UNCONFIRMEDcomponent=Generalproduct=SeaMonkey There are also Confirmed Bugs not corrected ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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I echo this sentiment. As a developer and web user since the NCSA Mosaic days, I am glad to see Seamonkey remain true to its roots as a no-nonsense product not afraid to expose the dirty guts instead of dumbing it down like some other browsers. I have only recently switched back to Seamonkey after the long and arduous experience with firefox, chromium, and opera. Having just installed and taken Seamonkey for a spin on my Mac I am amazed at how responsive and fast it is compared to the other browsers. Keep up the good work. Thanks for all the fish. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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nick...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:38:06 UTC+1, PhillipJones wrote: SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Now except for SeaMonkey and IE all Browser look a like. You open one it's a carbon copy of 9-10 others. Change the guts to improve how SM works. Yes But leave the UI alone. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net mailto:pjones...@comcast.net I forgot to pay tribute to the sensible version numbering of SeaMonkey as well... I forgot to thank the SM developers and contributors for all their time and hard work that may sometimes seem thankless.. although it never is to the SM community. We may seem like an ungrateful lot, but we really do appreciate what you do. :) Barbara ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 5/11/2014 11:02 AM PT, chicagofan typed: I forgot to thank the SM developers and contributors for all their time and hard work that may sometimes seem thankless.. although it never is to the SM community. We may seem like an ungrateful lot, but we really do appreciate what you do. :) Ditto. :) -- Happy Mother's Day, especially for the queen ants! /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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chicagofan wrote: nick...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:38:06 UTC+1, PhillipJones wrote: SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Now except for SeaMonkey and IE all Browser look a like. You open one it's a carbon copy of 9-10 others. Change the guts to improve how SM works. Yes But leave the UI alone. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net mailto:pjones...@comcast.net I forgot to pay tribute to the sensible version numbering of SeaMonkey as well... I forgot to thank the SM developers and contributors for all their time and hard work that may sometimes seem thankless.. although it never is to the SM community. We may seem like an ungrateful lot, but we really do appreciate what you do. :) Barbara I two thank SeaMonkey Folks for being True to their roots and being Sane influence in this Insane Mozilla Attempt to be a Replacement for Chrome. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjones...@comcast.net ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Trane Francks wrote: On 5/9/14 12:10 PM +0900, sean nathan wrote: facebook is of course a cudgel... in Seamonkey, it slows to a crawl... then starts getting jumpy... while i can pretty freely scroll backwards for days in chromium... not possible in Seamonkey... SeaMonkey here works with Facebook just fine. Quick and responsive, with no issues whatsoever. its always asking me to click here to always load remote content from the same e'mail addresses in my collected addressbook over and over again... So, when it offers to ALWAYS load remote content, go through the motions of enabling that and the problem shall be solved. Works here just fine. my issue is not that i fail to give SM permission to load remote content, my issue is that it forgets and asks me to do so for the same people over and over again... -- ... As the unknown sage puts it Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people ~ Admiral Hyman G. Rickover in The World of the Uneducated * TagZilla 0.066 * http://tagzilla.mozdev.org ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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chicagofan wrote: nick...@gmail.com wrote: On Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:38:06 UTC+1, PhillipJones wrote: SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Now except for SeaMonkey and IE all Browser look a like. You open one it's a carbon copy of 9-10 others. Change the guts to improve how SM works. Yes But leave the UI alone. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.net mailto:pjones...@comcast.net I forgot to pay tribute to the sensible version numbering of SeaMonkey as well... I forgot to thank the SM developers and contributors for all their time and hard work that may sometimes seem thankless.. although it never is to the SM community. We may seem like an ungrateful lot, but we really do appreciate what you do. :) Barbara Ditto. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ After eating, do amphibians have to wait one hour before getting out of the water? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Rufus wrote: Daniel wrote: On 8/05/2014 11:37 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: Snip My car will go 130 MPH but there's no road in the U.S. that will let me drive that fast. Come on over, Ed! Australia's Northern Territory used to have unlimited speed restrictions, but, about five years ago, restricted it to 130Km/H (approx 80-85 MpH) but has recently switched back to unlimited!! :-) Daniel ...we got PLENTY of roads out here in the desert between the high Mojave and death valley where people can break 130 *easy*...well, I can do it easy enough in my Z06 Covette, anyway...which I'm dead certain will do 200+ MPH judging by the where the RPM is at 130. But 130 is about where my nerve runs out. Moderator ? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On Wednesday, 7 May 2014 16:38:06 UTC+1, PhillipJones wrote: SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Please don't feel any need to ruin it in the same way that Firefox has been ruined with the dumbed-down Chrome wannabe interface! If you feel the same, please show your support for SeaMonkey devs. :) Really have to interject that i do NOT want Seamonkey to remain the same if that means the browser becomes more and more unusable over time... as things stand now, i only use Seamonkey's e'mail client with regularity. The browser is just too slow for modern needs... throws up too many irrelevant warnings and annoys me when it won't open sites or play sound, or other silly nonsense... i DO want it to remain the same as a combined e'mail browser, but only if the browser component quits moving like its full of frozen molasses... What we want is increase in speed and efficiency and ability to read/Play more audio/video types. What we referring to when we say no change is no change in the User interface to emulate Chrome like FireFox has done. Excuse me I shout just a Few words. They are not insulting to any one. WE DO NOT WANT TO BE TREATED LIKE 4 YEAR OLD'S. That what the new UI in the Australis Style FF is Treating us like we have the IQ of 4 year Old's. I get along just fine with Menu Bar and menus with sub menu. And FF people say get the UI (theme restorer) Problem is it doesn't It about 60 percent does. And Why if there was such a clamoring for the Restorer extension, didn't the folks at Mozilla Learn maybe this Chrome experience was bad idea. Now except for SeaMonkey and IE all Browser look a like. You open one it's a carbon copy of 9-10 others. Folks! We want to be different, look different, think different. Change the guts to improve how SM works. Yes But leave the UI alone. Lets compare to MS Windows, Since MS has Changed to Version 8 with all the cutesy 4 year Old type Buttons. Many have Reverted back to 7 and with Few exception it been panned most Users and Computer Reporting Agencies. I have several Relatives that have switched to Window 8 and hate it worth a passion. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjones...@comcast.net I forgot to pay tribute to the sensible version numbering of SeaMonkey as well... ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 5/9/14 12:10 PM +0900, sean nathan wrote: facebook is of course a cudgel... in Seamonkey, it slows to a crawl... then starts getting jumpy... while i can pretty freely scroll backwards for days in chromium... not possible in Seamonkey... SeaMonkey here works with Facebook just fine. Quick and responsive, with no issues whatsoever. its always asking me to click here to always load remote content from the same e'mail addresses in my collected addressbook over and over again... So, when it offers to ALWAYS load remote content, go through the motions of enabling that and the problem shall be solved. Works here just fine. -- / // Trane Francks tr...@tranefrancks.com Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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sean nathan wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: sean nathan wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: sean nathan wrote: nick...@gmail.com wrote: =snipped facebook is of course a cudgel... in Seamonkey, it slows to a crawl... then starts getting jumpy... while i can pretty freely scroll backwards for days in chromium... not possible in Seamonkey... I have posted about this before about how slow Seamonkey is in Facebook on a Windows XP machine. Chrome is great and wish the SM developers would fix SM to work as fast as other browsers on Facebook. I note that when I use SM in Windows 7, Seamonkey performs very well in facebook. It is only when I use SM on my XP system that there is a slow scrolling problem. I have no problem using Chrome, Opera, Safari or IE on XP. It is only a problem with SM (also FF) on Win XP. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 5/9/2014 2:21 PM, Arnie Goetchius wrote: sean nathan wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: sean nathan wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: sean nathan wrote: nick...@gmail.com wrote: =snipped facebook is of course a cudgel... in Seamonkey, it slows to a crawl... then starts getting jumpy... while i can pretty freely scroll backwards for days in chromium... not possible in Seamonkey... I have posted about this before about how slow Seamonkey is in Facebook on a Windows XP machine. Chrome is great and wish the SM developers would fix SM to work as fast as other browsers on Facebook. I note that when I use SM in Windows 7, Seamonkey performs very well in facebook. It is only when I use SM on my XP system that there is a slow scrolling problem. I have no problem using Chrome, Opera, Safari or IE on XP. It is only a problem with SM (also FF) on Win XP. A SeaMonkey problem with displaying and scrolling a Web page is very, very likely to also appear in Firefox. Both use the same Gecko rendering engine, most of the same Toolkit, and the same security component. To a user, the major differences between SeaMonkey and Firefox are the user interface and the ability of users to tailor that interface. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam, flames, and trolling from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Ant wrote: Steven Silvera wrote: I have rthe same problem with people with their Bluetooths. Bah! I call them Borg implants. Ray ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 8/05/2014 6:57 AM, Ray_Net wrote: WaltS48 wrote, On 07/05/2014 17:57: On 05/07/2014 11:01 AM, Ray_Net wrote: Ant wrote, On 07/05/2014 15:33: On 5/6/2014 1:22 AM PT, E Wong typed: So you have two bugs for the price of one. 1. The Load this bookmark in the sidebar option is not working. 2. Once set, you cannot reset the Load this bookmark in the sidebar option. Is there a bug filed for this? I found these old ones a few days ago: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613974 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=695425 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613971 And the *solution* is ? More of the I'm a computer software guy, but don't want to do computer stuff anymore to get in involved and start fixing some of the bugs. SeaMonkey is a part-time all volunteer effort. Full-time jobs, families, life crisises like all humans, spare time on SeaMonkey. When do they sleep? Therefore we can state that SeaMonkey is a a too big and too complicated application that cannot be maintained ..BUT the volunteers have plenty of time to play with and invent new gadgets rendering this application more and more difficult to apprehend. We can state that SeaMonkey is a a too big and too complicated application that cannot be maintained .. by you! or, even We can state that SeaMonkey is a a too big and too complicated application that cannot be maintained .. by me! but not We cannot state that SeaMonkey is a a too big and too complicated application that cannot be maintained .. by anyone! ... I hope. Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 8/05/2014 11:37 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: Snip My car will go 130 MPH but there's no road in the U.S. that will let me drive that fast. Come on over, Ed! Australia's Northern Territory used to have unlimited speed restrictions, but, about five years ago, restricted it to 130Km/H (approx 80-85 MpH) but has recently switched back to unlimited!! :-) Daniel ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Surely you've got that backwards: Shouldn't it be 50 M down and 20 up? And, please cite specific sites where your issue happens. No matter what your ISP speeds, servers/specific sites throttle bandwidth. You can do a speedtest.net test and see your ISP throughput but, in real world usage, you'll never see those speeds. I routinely get the bandwidth promised by my ISP and measured by speedtest (49/39 just now vs. advertised 50/25). A client asked me to download a 144 MB file the other day, it took only a minute. It wasn't compressed, and Windows Explorer confirmed the size. Took her hours to upload. ;-\ You're right that a slow server won't take advantage (arirang.co.kr is a chronic offender, probably overloaded due to the ferry disaster), but what's to keep you from pulling content from several servers at once? Case in point (not that I'm advocating it): uTorrent and its kin. Well, you can certainly download from multiple servers at once. But what's that to do with throughput on a throttled server that is NOT a torrent? -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Where do forest rangers go to get away from it all? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Daniel wrote: On 8/05/2014 11:37 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: Snip My car will go 130 MPH but there's no road in the U.S. that will let me drive that fast. Come on over, Ed! Australia's Northern Territory used to have unlimited speed restrictions, but, about five years ago, restricted it to 130Km/H (approx 80-85 MpH) but has recently switched back to unlimited!! :-) Daniel :-) Texas has the highest limits. 80 MPH on some highways. Idaho 75-80 on some rural highways. Most others are in the 65-70 range. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_limits_in_the_United_States The fastest I've ever driven is about 125 MPH. But that was on the Ford road course in Dearborn, MI. Spent an afternoon tossing a variety of test cars around the course. Great fun!!! Shoulda seen the waiver I had to sign. :-D -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ The early bird might get the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Ed Mullen wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: Ed Mullen wrote: Surely you've got that backwards: Shouldn't it be 50 M down and 20 up? And, please cite specific sites where your issue happens. No matter what your ISP speeds, servers/specific sites throttle bandwidth. You can do a speedtest.net test and see your ISP throughput but, in real world usage, you'll never see those speeds. I routinely get the bandwidth promised by my ISP and measured by speedtest (49/39 just now vs. advertised 50/25). A client asked me to download a 144 MB file the other day, it took only a minute. It wasn't compressed, and Windows Explorer confirmed the size. Took her hours to upload. ;-\ You're right that a slow server won't take advantage (arirang.co.kr is a chronic offender, probably overloaded due to the ferry disaster), but what's to keep you from pulling content from several servers at once? Case in point (not that I'm advocating it): uTorrent and its kin. Well, you can certainly download from multiple servers at once. But what's that to do with throughput on a throttled server that is NOT a torrent? Coupla things: 1) If your ISP has no limit but the server is slow, you'll still get slow performance and you can't blame the ISP or SeaMonkey. Not fixable. 2) If you're in a hurry to get something and your ISP's bandwidth supports it, several small pipes deliver more content per unit of time than one. Useful workaround for the OP if the ISP permits. Again, not SeaMonkey's fault. Even without using uTorrent or the like, I routinely search terminology on Google and download several PDF hits at the same time rather than wait for each one separately. If I need to look at a few key sentences in each of five 50 MB files, it will take forever one at a time. This way, I can be working on one while the others load, and playing a music station and retrieving mail at the same time. But mainly I was responding to your claim that in real world usage, you'll never see those speeds. I see them all the time. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Daniel wrote: On 8/05/2014 11:37 AM, Ed Mullen wrote: Snip My car will go 130 MPH but there's no road in the U.S. that will let me drive that fast. Come on over, Ed! Australia's Northern Territory used to have unlimited speed restrictions, but, about five years ago, restricted it to 130Km/H (approx 80-85 MpH) but has recently switched back to unlimited!! :-) Daniel ...we got PLENTY of roads out here in the desert between the high Mojave and death valley where people can break 130 *easy*...well, I can do it easy enough in my Z06 Covette, anyway...which I'm dead certain will do 200+ MPH judging by the where the RPM is at 130. But 130 is about where my nerve runs out. -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Ed Mullen wrote: sean nathan wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: sean nathan wrote: nick...@gmail.com wrote: I felt compelled to write this after the seeing the disaster that Firefox is turning into with that new Australis interface. SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Please don't feel any need to ruin it in the same way that Firefox has been ruined with the dumbed-down Chrome wannabe interface! If you feel the same, please show your support for SeaMonkey devs. :) Really have to interject that i do NOT want Seamonkey to remain the same if that means the browser becomes more and more unusable over time... as things stand now, i only use Seamonkey's e'mail client with regularity. The browser is just too slow for modern needs... throws up too many irrelevant warnings and annoys me when it won't open sites or play sound, or other silly nonsense... i DO want it to remain the same as a combined e'mail browser, but only if the browser component quits moving like its full of frozen molasses... If you don't like the nags, most of them can be turned off. I don't have the problems you mention, so if you can be more specific, we can probably solve them here. my issues are mostly with speed... my cable internet is 50 mbps up and 20 down... so this browser should fly... instead it sits and spins when loading pages... which my install of chromium opens quickly... installed the 64 bit linux version of SM if that makes any difference... no nags today, so no real worries... Surely you've got that backwards: Shouldn't it be 50 M down and 20 up? And, please cite specific sites where your issue happens. No matter what your ISP speeds, servers/specific sites throttle bandwidth. You can do a speedtest.net test and see your ISP throughput but, in real world usage, you'll never see those speeds. I have 30 Mbps down from Comcast and it tests that way. Never see more than about 3 Mbps in real-world usage other than my FTP link on my own Web server. That sometimes does 10 Mbps. Frankly, whenever I read an article about Web speed in the U.S. and the world I wonder about this. Everyone's all het up about giving everyone super high-speed links. So what? If Web servers will only deliver a throttled 3 Mbps? What's the point? I can afford the extra speed I'm paying for but am considering downgrading. Why pay for speed no one will let me use? My car will go 130 MPH but there's no road in the U.S. that will let me drive that fast. you are correct, i'm dyslexic and reversed my upload/download speeds... we regularly get more than we pay for down here in Tucson... we suspect the UofA and proximity of Military base needs have something to do with our unusual speeds... facebook is of course a cudgel... in Seamonkey, it slows to a crawl... then starts getting jumpy... while i can pretty freely scroll backwards for days in chromium... not possible in Seamonkey... am reminded of one of the nags that bugs me... Seamonkey once again advised me To protect your privacy, Seamonky has blocked remote content... from someone who's been in my addressbook for decades... and from whom i receive daily e'mail... its always asking me to click here to always load remote content from the same e'mail addresses in my collected addressbook over and over again... -- ... You know the story. Nonetheless, we will tell it again. All things have already been said; but as no one is listening, it is ever necessary to start again ~ Andre Gide 1869-1951 * TagZilla 0.066 * http://tagzilla.mozdev.org ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 5/6/2014 1:22 AM PT, E Wong typed: So you have two bugs for the price of one. 1. The Load this bookmark in the sidebar option is not working. 2. Once set, you cannot reset the Load this bookmark in the sidebar option. Is there a bug filed for this? I found these old ones a few days ago: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613974 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=695425 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613971 -- I got worms! That's what we're going to call it. We're going to specialize in selling worm farms. You know like ant farms. What's the matter, a little tense about the flight? --Lloyd Christmas (Dumb and Dumber movie) /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Ant wrote, On 07/05/2014 15:33: On 5/6/2014 1:22 AM PT, E Wong typed: So you have two bugs for the price of one. 1. The Load this bookmark in the sidebar option is not working. 2. Once set, you cannot reset the Load this bookmark in the sidebar option. Is there a bug filed for this? I found these old ones a few days ago: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613974 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=695425 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613971 And the *solution* is ? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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nick...@gmail.com wrote: I felt compelled to write this after the seeing the disaster that Firefox is turning into with that new Australis interface. SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Please don't feel any need to ruin it in the same way that Firefox has been ruined with the dumbed-down Chrome wannabe interface! If you feel the same, please show your support for SeaMonkey devs. :) Really have to interject that i do NOT want Seamonkey to remain the same if that means the browser becomes more and more unusable over time... as things stand now, i only use Seamonkey's e'mail client with regularity. The browser is just too slow for modern needs... throws up too many irrelevant warnings and annoys me when it won't open sites or play sound, or other silly nonsense... i DO want it to remain the same as a combined e'mail browser, but only if the browser component quits moving like its full of frozen molasses... -- ... I reject your reality and substitute my own. ~ Adam Savage * TagZilla 0.066 * http://tagzilla.mozdev.org ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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sean nathan wrote: nick...@gmail.com wrote: I felt compelled to write this after the seeing the disaster that Firefox is turning into with that new Australis interface. SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Please don't feel any need to ruin it in the same way that Firefox has been ruined with the dumbed-down Chrome wannabe interface! If you feel the same, please show your support for SeaMonkey devs. :) Really have to interject that i do NOT want Seamonkey to remain the same if that means the browser becomes more and more unusable over time... as things stand now, i only use Seamonkey's e'mail client with regularity. The browser is just too slow for modern needs... throws up too many irrelevant warnings and annoys me when it won't open sites or play sound, or other silly nonsense... i DO want it to remain the same as a combined e'mail browser, but only if the browser component quits moving like its full of frozen molasses... If you don't like the nags, most of them can be turned off. I don't have the problems you mention, so if you can be more specific, we can probably solve them here. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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sean nathan wrote: nick...@gmail.com wrote: I felt compelled to write this after the seeing the disaster that Firefox is turning into with that new Australis interface. SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Please don't feel any need to ruin it in the same way that Firefox has been ruined with the dumbed-down Chrome wannabe interface! If you feel the same, please show your support for SeaMonkey devs. :) Really have to interject that i do NOT want Seamonkey to remain the same if that means the browser becomes more and more unusable over time... as things stand now, i only use Seamonkey's e'mail client with regularity. The browser is just too slow for modern needs... throws up too many irrelevant warnings and annoys me when it won't open sites or play sound, or other silly nonsense... i DO want it to remain the same as a combined e'mail browser, but only if the browser component quits moving like its full of frozen molasses... What we want is increase in speed and efficiency and ability to read/Play more audio/video types. What we referring to when we say no change is no change in the User interface to emulate Chrome like FireFox has done. Excuse me I shout just a Few words. They are not insulting to any one. WE DO NOT WANT TO BE TREATED LIKE 4 YEAR OLD'S. That what the new UI in the Australis Style FF is Treating us like we have the IQ of 4 year Old's. I get along just fine with Menu Bar and menus with sub menu. And FF people say get the UI (theme restorer) Problem is it doesn't It about 60 percent does. And Why if there was such a clamoring for the Restorer extension, didn't the folks at Mozilla Learn maybe this Chrome experience was bad idea. Now except for SeaMonkey and IE all Browser look a like. You open one it’s a carbon copy of 9-10 others. Folks! We want to be different, look different, think different. Change the guts to improve how SM works. Yes But leave the UI alone. Lets compare to MS Windows, Since MS has Changed to Version 8 with all the cutesy 4 year Old type Buttons. Many have Reverted back to 7 and with Few exception it been panned most Users and Computer Reporting Agencies. I have several Relatives that have switched to Window 8 and hate it worth a passion. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjones...@comcast.net ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 05/07/2014 11:01 AM, Ray_Net wrote: Ant wrote, On 07/05/2014 15:33: On 5/6/2014 1:22 AM PT, E Wong typed: So you have two bugs for the price of one. 1. The Load this bookmark in the sidebar option is not working. 2. Once set, you cannot reset the Load this bookmark in the sidebar option. Is there a bug filed for this? I found these old ones a few days ago: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613974 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=695425 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613971 And the *solution* is ? More of the I'm a computer software guy, but don't want to do computer stuff anymore to get in involved and start fixing some of the bugs. SeaMonkey is a part-time all volunteer effort. Full-time jobs, families, life crisises like all humans, spare time on SeaMonkey. When do they sleep? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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PhillipJones wrote: What we want is increase in speed and efficiency and ability to read/Play more audio/video types. I can play pretty much every AV type that's out there. Maybe it's because I've installed Flash and VLC? A browser isn't really an AV program; those things are best left to plugins and helper apps. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Paul B. Gallagher wrote: sean nathan wrote: nick...@gmail.com wrote: I felt compelled to write this after the seeing the disaster that Firefox is turning into with that new Australis interface. SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Please don't feel any need to ruin it in the same way that Firefox has been ruined with the dumbed-down Chrome wannabe interface! If you feel the same, please show your support for SeaMonkey devs. :) Really have to interject that i do NOT want Seamonkey to remain the same if that means the browser becomes more and more unusable over time... as things stand now, i only use Seamonkey's e'mail client with regularity. The browser is just too slow for modern needs... throws up too many irrelevant warnings and annoys me when it won't open sites or play sound, or other silly nonsense... i DO want it to remain the same as a combined e'mail browser, but only if the browser component quits moving like its full of frozen molasses... If you don't like the nags, most of them can be turned off. I don't have the problems you mention, so if you can be more specific, we can probably solve them here. my issues are mostly with speed... my cable internet is 50 mbps up and 20 down... so this browser should fly... instead it sits and spins when loading pages... which my install of chromium opens quickly... installed the 64 bit linux version of SM if that makes any difference... no nags today, so no real worries... -- ... Character is doing the right thing... ...Even when no one is watching * TagZilla 0.066 * http://tagzilla.mozdev.org ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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WaltS48 wrote, On 07/05/2014 17:57: On 05/07/2014 11:01 AM, Ray_Net wrote: Ant wrote, On 07/05/2014 15:33: On 5/6/2014 1:22 AM PT, E Wong typed: So you have two bugs for the price of one. 1. The Load this bookmark in the sidebar option is not working. 2. Once set, you cannot reset the Load this bookmark in the sidebar option. Is there a bug filed for this? I found these old ones a few days ago: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613974 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=695425 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=613971 And the *solution* is ? More of the I'm a computer software guy, but don't want to do computer stuff anymore to get in involved and start fixing some of the bugs. SeaMonkey is a part-time all volunteer effort. Full-time jobs, families, life crisises like all humans, spare time on SeaMonkey. When do they sleep? Therefore we can state that SeaMonkey is a a too big and too complicated application that cannot be maintained ..BUT the volunteers have plenty of time to play with and invent new gadgets rendering this application more and more difficult to apprehend. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Paul B. Gallagher wrote: PhillipJones wrote: What we want is increase in speed and efficiency and ability to read/Play more audio/video types. I can play pretty much every AV type that's out there. Maybe it's because I've installed Flash and VLC? A browser isn't really an AV program; those things are best left to plugins and helper apps. +1 -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ I'm too shy to express my sexual needs except over the phone to people I don't know. - Garry Shandling ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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sean nathan wrote: Paul B. Gallagher wrote: sean nathan wrote: nick...@gmail.com wrote: I felt compelled to write this after the seeing the disaster that Firefox is turning into with that new Australis interface. SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Please don't feel any need to ruin it in the same way that Firefox has been ruined with the dumbed-down Chrome wannabe interface! If you feel the same, please show your support for SeaMonkey devs. :) Really have to interject that i do NOT want Seamonkey to remain the same if that means the browser becomes more and more unusable over time... as things stand now, i only use Seamonkey's e'mail client with regularity. The browser is just too slow for modern needs... throws up too many irrelevant warnings and annoys me when it won't open sites or play sound, or other silly nonsense... i DO want it to remain the same as a combined e'mail browser, but only if the browser component quits moving like its full of frozen molasses... If you don't like the nags, most of them can be turned off. I don't have the problems you mention, so if you can be more specific, we can probably solve them here. my issues are mostly with speed... my cable internet is 50 mbps up and 20 down... so this browser should fly... instead it sits and spins when loading pages... which my install of chromium opens quickly... installed the 64 bit linux version of SM if that makes any difference... no nags today, so no real worries... Surely you've got that backwards: Shouldn't it be 50 M down and 20 up? And, please cite specific sites where your issue happens. No matter what your ISP speeds, servers/specific sites throttle bandwidth. You can do a speedtest.net test and see your ISP throughput but, in real world usage, you'll never see those speeds. I have 30 Mbps down from Comcast and it tests that way. Never see more than about 3 Mbps in real-world usage other than my FTP link on my own Web server. That sometimes does 10 Mbps. Frankly, whenever I read an article about Web speed in the U.S. and the world I wonder about this. Everyone's all het up about giving everyone super high-speed links. So what? If Web servers will only deliver a throttled 3 Mbps? What's the point? I can afford the extra speed I'm paying for but am considering downgrading. Why pay for speed no one will let me use? My car will go 130 MPH but there's no road in the U.S. that will let me drive that fast. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Sometimes I think it's a shame when I get feelin' better when I'm feelin' no pain. - Gordon Lightfoot ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Ed Mullen wrote: Surely you've got that backwards: Shouldn't it be 50 M down and 20 up? And, please cite specific sites where your issue happens. No matter what your ISP speeds, servers/specific sites throttle bandwidth. You can do a speedtest.net test and see your ISP throughput but, in real world usage, you'll never see those speeds. I routinely get the bandwidth promised by my ISP and measured by speedtest (49/39 just now vs. advertised 50/25). A client asked me to download a 144 MB file the other day, it took only a minute. It wasn't compressed, and Windows Explorer confirmed the size. Took her hours to upload. ;-\ You're right that a slow server won't take advantage (arirang.co.kr is a chronic offender, probably overloaded due to the ferry disaster), but what's to keep you from pulling content from several servers at once? Case in point (not that I'm advocating it): uTorrent and its kin. -- War doesn't determine who's right, just who's left. -- Paul B. Gallagher ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Ray_Net wrote: Nowhere that I could find. So you have two bugs for the price of one. 1. The Load this bookmark in the sidebar option is not working. 2. Once set, you cannot reset the Load this bookmark in the sidebar option. Is there a bug filed for this? Edmund ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Ant wrote: On 5/4/2014 2:38 AM PT, Stéphane Grégoire typed: ... But! I use and test FF too. And, I have no beef with FF except for: - loss of the throbber What do you mean by throbber? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throbber See SeaMonkey's web browser's animated logo on the top right corner when connecting and download web pages. ;) And you can customize it: browser.throbber.url compose.throbber.url addressbook.throbber.url editor.throbber.url messenger.throbber.url -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Assphasia- a condition where your face looks so much like your butt your bowels don't know which way to move. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 5/3/2014 12:47 PM PT, EE typed: There is no checkmark in that box for my bookmarks. You don't see this as an example? http://i.imgur.com/SebbPtQ.gif -- Go to the ant, thou sluggard; consider her ways and be wise: which having no guide, overseer or ruler, provideth her meat in the summer and gathereth her food in the harvest. --Proverbs 6:6-8 (Bible) /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 5/4/2014 2:38 AM PT, Stéphane Grégoire typed: ... But! I use and test FF too. And, I have no beef with FF except for: - loss of the throbber What do you mean by throbber? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throbber See SeaMonkey's web browser's animated logo on the top right corner when connecting and download web pages. ;) -- May the 4th be with you, always. :P /\___/\ Ant(Dude) @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) / /\ /\ \Ant's Quality Foraged Links: http://aqfl.net | |o o| | \ _ /If crediting, then use Ant nickname and AQFL URL/link. ( ) If e-mailing, then axe ANT from its address if needed. Ant is currently not listening to any songs on this computer. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 5/4/2014 5:01 AM, Ant wrote: On 5/4/2014 2:38 AM PT, Stéphane Grégoire typed: ... But! I use and test FF too. And, I have no beef with FF except for: - loss of the throbber What do you mean by throbber? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throbber See SeaMonkey's web browser's animated logo on the top right corner when connecting and download web pages. ;) Firefox developers decided the throbber was not needed. To the contrary, when I select a link and the page does not load immediately, I check the SeaMonkey throbber to determine if I really selected the link. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam, flames, and trolling from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 05/04/2014 11:35 AM, David E. Ross wrote: On 5/4/2014 5:01 AM, Ant wrote: On 5/4/2014 2:38 AM PT, Stéphane Grégoire typed: ... But! I use and test FF too. And, I have no beef with FF except for: - loss of the throbber What do you mean by throbber? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throbber See SeaMonkey's web browser's animated logo on the top right corner when connecting and download web pages. ;) Firefox developers decided the throbber was not needed. To the contrary, when I select a link and the page does not load immediately, I check the SeaMonkey throbber to determine if I really selected the link. Funny, I see an activity indicator for each site I load in Firefox, which turns to the favicon once loaded if the site completes loading. Turns black and rotates counter-clockwise and says connecting before changing red and rotating clockwise when loading the site. There is also the status indicator in the lower left hand of the browser window. SeaMonkey has a clockwise rotating double black arrow when a page is loading in a tab. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Stéphane Grégoire wrote: Hi, Ed Mullen a tapoté, le 03/05/2014 05:49: I prefer SM because it's just so familiar. But! I use and test FF too. And, I have no beef with FF except for: - loss of the throbber What do you mean by throbber? - loss of the status bar If you want to see only the web pages : http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#fullerscreen The Throbber is /was the icon usually over on left hand top corner that indicates some action such as trying to load a web Page or download Mail (in case of SeaMonkey) and also doubled as a shortcut to Mozilla.org website. Its been a fixture since the days of Netscape Communicator and I believe was there at the very beginning on Netscape 3.0.1.Gold which was a for pay product. I paid $60 and received a 120 page paper back book and a CD with the software. FireFox up until a few years ago also had one too, it was sitting there dutifully doing as it was supposed. Not bothering anyone and when anyone deed to go to Mozilla website they didn't have to look it up just click on it. Then someone decided it was to old hat and not needed. Now in FireFox they substituted a little winder that you'll almost ever look except it do indicate some activity, but is no longer a shortcut to the Mozilla website -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjones...@comcast.net ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 05/04/2014 12:00 PM, PhillipJones wrote: Stéphane Grégoire wrote: Hi, Ed Mullen a tapoté, le 03/05/2014 05:49: I prefer SM because it's just so familiar. But! I use and test FF too. And, I have no beef with FF except for: - loss of the throbber What do you mean by throbber? - loss of the status bar If you want to see only the web pages : http://xsidebar.mozdev.org/modifiedmisc.html#fullerscreen The Throbber is /was the icon usually over on left hand top corner that indicates some action such as trying to load a web Page or download Mail (in case of SeaMonkey) and also doubled as a shortcut to Mozilla.org website. Its been a fixture since the days of Netscape Communicator and I believe was there at the very beginning on Netscape 3.0.1.Gold which was a for pay product. I paid $60 and received a 120 page paper back book and a CD with the software. FireFox up until a few years ago also had one too, it was sitting there dutifully doing as it was supposed. Not bothering anyone and when anyone deed to go to Mozilla website they didn't have to look it up just click on it. Then someone decided it was to old hat and not needed. Now in FireFox they substituted a little winder that you'll almost ever look except it do indicate some activity, but is no longer a shortcut to the Mozilla website Shortcut to Mozilla website is to bookmark it, or use Mozilla in the upper right hand corner of about:home in Firefox. HTH ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On Sun, 04 May 2014 08:35:27 -0700 David E. Ross nobody@nowhere.invalid wrote: On 5/4/2014 5:01 AM, Ant wrote: On 5/4/2014 2:38 AM PT, Stéphane Grégoire typed: ... But! I use and test FF too. And, I have no beef with FF except for: - loss of the throbber What do you mean by throbber? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throbber See SeaMonkey's web browser's animated logo on the top right corner when connecting and download web pages. ;) Firefox developers decided the throbber was not needed. To the contrary, when I select a link and the page does not load immediately, I check the SeaMonkey throbber to determine if I really selected the link. If Firefox users really need more eye candy. [Throbber Restored :: Add-ons for Firefox](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/throbber-restored/) -- Sponsored by Jazz Live Internaional June 20-22 2014 http://pittsburghjazzlive.com/ ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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WaltS48 wrote: On Sun, 04 May 2014 08:35:27 -0700 David E. Ross nobody@nowhere.invalid wrote: On 5/4/2014 5:01 AM, Ant wrote: On 5/4/2014 2:38 AM PT, Stéphane Grégoire typed: ... But! I use and test FF too. And, I have no beef with FF except for: - loss of the throbber What do you mean by throbber? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Throbber See SeaMonkey's web browser's animated logo on the top right corner when connecting and download web pages. ;) Firefox developers decided the throbber was not needed. To the contrary, when I select a link and the page does not load immediately, I check the SeaMonkey throbber to determine if I really selected the link. If Firefox users really need more eye candy. [Throbber Restored :: Add-ons for Firefox](https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/throbber-restored/) Only Applies Australis version of FireFox -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. If it's Fixed, Don't Break it http://www.phillipmjones.netmailto:pjones...@comcast.net ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
WaltS48 wrote, On 03/05/2014 01:06: On 05/02/2014 06:57 PM, EE wrote: nick...@gmail.com wrote: I felt compelled to write this after the seeing the disaster that Firefox is turning into with that new Australis interface. SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Please don't feel any need to ruin it in the same way that Firefox has been ruined with the dumbed-down Chrome wannabe interface! If you feel the same, please show your support for SeaMonkey devs. :) Absolutely, I feel the same way. I switched to SeaMonkey because it has not had its guts ripped out. Has not had them completely filled in either or you would be able to remove the check mark from Load this bookmark in the sidebar in a bookmarks properties. If checked the bookmark doesn't open in the sidebar. YMMV This is just another bug present for centuries :-) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 03/05/14 09:06, WaltS48 wrote: Snip Has not had them completely filled in either or you would be able to remove the check mark from Load this bookmark in the sidebar in a bookmarks properties. If checked the bookmark doesn't open in the sidebar. YMMV So, hang on, if you explicitly tell SM to open the bookmark in the sidebar, it *doesn't* open in the sidebar!! So where does it open it?? -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140415200419 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140408191805 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
On 03/05/14 09:25, nick...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday, 2 May 2014 23:57:07 UTC+1, EE wrote: Absolutely, I feel the same way. I switched to SeaMonkey because it has not had its guts ripped out. Thanks everyone for the show of support for this great browser...! If SeaMonkey is s great, why are you posting through Google (User-Agent G2/1.0) rather than with SeaMonkey's Mail Newsgroups function?? -- Daniel User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140415200419 or User agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:29.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/29.0 SeaMonkey/2.26 Build identifier: 20140408191805 ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
On 5/3/14 6:44 PM +0900, Daniel wrote: On 03/05/14 09:06, WaltS48 wrote: Snip Has not had them completely filled in either or you would be able to remove the check mark from Load this bookmark in the sidebar in a bookmarks properties. If checked the bookmark doesn't open in the sidebar. YMMV So, hang on, if you explicitly tell SM to open the bookmark in the sidebar, it *doesn't* open in the sidebar!! So where does it open it?? It doesn't. -- / // Trane Francks tr...@tranefrancks.com Tokyo, Japan // Practice random kindness and senseless acts of beauty. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
On 05/03/2014 05:44 AM, Daniel wrote: On 03/05/14 09:06, WaltS48 wrote: Snip Has not had them completely filled in either or you would be able to remove the check mark from Load this bookmark in the sidebar in a bookmarks properties. If checked the bookmark doesn't open in the sidebar. YMMV So, hang on, if you explicitly tell SM to open the bookmark in the sidebar, it *doesn't* open in the sidebar!! So where does it open it?? Nowhere that I could find. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
WaltS48 wrote, On 03/05/2014 13:30: On 05/03/2014 05:44 AM, Daniel wrote: On 03/05/14 09:06, WaltS48 wrote: Snip Has not had them completely filled in either or you would be able to remove the check mark from Load this bookmark in the sidebar in a bookmarks properties. If checked the bookmark doesn't open in the sidebar. YMMV So, hang on, if you explicitly tell SM to open the bookmark in the sidebar, it *doesn't* open in the sidebar!! So where does it open it?? Nowhere that I could find. So you have two bugs for the price of one. 1. The Load this bookmark in the sidebar option is not working. 2. Once set, you cannot reset the Load this bookmark in the sidebar option. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
Paul Bergsagel wrote: Rufus wrote: nick...@gmail.com wrote: I felt compelled to write this after the seeing the disaster that Firefox is turning into with that new Australis interface. SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Please don't feel any need to ruin it in the same way that Firefox has been ruined with the dumbed-down Chrome wannabe interface! If you feel the same, please show your support for SeaMonkey devs. :) ...fix the interface bugs, at least...the Profile Manager is still broken in the OS X version, as well as SM still not following on-disk Alias paths to .html files. And then there's the ignoring of my pref setting for Master Password request...and the short drawn dialog boxes... Please - *don't* keep SM the *same*! No one wants to keep any bugs. We want to keep the way the UI is structured and functions. SeaMonkey IMHO would be going in the wrong direction if it copied the Chromified simplified UI interface and functionality. I do not understand why browser/email clients need the same UI for both Desktop and Mobile devices. When a mobile app's UI is transferred to the desktop, I find it becomes more cumbersome and difficult to use. Just look at Windows 8. Developers gave Windows 8 the same UI as their mobile OS. The revamped UI may be fine for mobile devices, but is a disaster on the desktop. BTW I love the fact that SeaMonkey is is an Internet Suite with tight integration between the browser and email apps. Please don't join the trend to give SeaMonkey a UI which has been dumbed down and is more suitable for a mobile device. SeaMonkey's UI works well for the OS X desktop computer--enough said. AMEN! I so agree with all that you said about minimalizing and changing everything to fit mobile devices. SMworks fine for all Windows desktops and laptops too ... as is. :) bj ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
WaltS48 wrote: On 05/02/2014 06:57 PM, EE wrote: nick...@gmail.com wrote: I felt compelled to write this after the seeing the disaster that Firefox is turning into with that new Australis interface. SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Please don't feel any need to ruin it in the same way that Firefox has been ruined with the dumbed-down Chrome wannabe interface! If you feel the same, please show your support for SeaMonkey devs. :) Absolutely, I feel the same way. I switched to SeaMonkey because it has not had its guts ripped out. Has not had them completely filled in either or you would be able to remove the check mark from Load this bookmark in the sidebar in a bookmarks properties. If checked the bookmark doesn't open in the sidebar. YMMV There is no checkmark in that box for my bookmarks. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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chicagofan wrote: Paul Bergsagel wrote: Rufus wrote: nick...@gmail.com wrote: I felt compelled to write this after the seeing the disaster that Firefox is turning into with that new Australis interface. SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Please don't feel any need to ruin it in the same way that Firefox has been ruined with the dumbed-down Chrome wannabe interface! If you feel the same, please show your support for SeaMonkey devs. :) ...fix the interface bugs, at least...the Profile Manager is still broken in the OS X version, as well as SM still not following on-disk Alias paths to .html files. And then there's the ignoring of my pref setting for Master Password request...and the short drawn dialog boxes... Please - *don't* keep SM the *same*! No one wants to keep any bugs. We want to keep the way the UI is structured and functions. SeaMonkey IMHO would be going in the wrong direction if it copied the Chromified simplified UI interface and functionality. I do not understand why browser/email clients need the same UI for both Desktop and Mobile devices. When a mobile app's UI is transferred to the desktop, I find it becomes more cumbersome and difficult to use. Just look at Windows 8. Developers gave Windows 8 the same UI as their mobile OS. The revamped UI may be fine for mobile devices, but is a disaster on the desktop. BTW I love the fact that SeaMonkey is is an Internet Suite with tight integration between the browser and email apps. Please don't join the trend to give SeaMonkey a UI which has been dumbed down and is more suitable for a mobile device. SeaMonkey's UI works well for the OS X desktop computer--enough said. AMEN! I so agree with all that you said about minimalizing and changing everything to fit mobile devices. SMworks fine for all Windows desktops and laptops too ... as is. :) bj ...this came up once before, as I wanted an iPad version of SM...until the improvements in Safari for the iPad made it near to perfection...for me... ...anyway, it was made (very) clear that there was zero intent to port SM to mobile devices at that time. Which likely meant never. OTOH, if such a decision *were* made, App Store QC might *force* the addressing of the interface issues that seem to never get addressed...so now it's time to go put SM 2.26 on my laptop and see what lingers there...still... -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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nick...@gmail.com wrote: I felt compelled to write this after the seeing the disaster that Firefox is turning into with that new Australis interface. SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Please don't feel any need to ruin it in the same way that Firefox has been ruined with the dumbed-down Chrome wannabe interface! If you feel the same, please show your support for SeaMonkey devs. :) Absolutely, I feel the same way. I switched to SeaMonkey because it has not had its guts ripped out. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
On 05/02/2014 06:57 PM, EE wrote: nick...@gmail.com wrote: I felt compelled to write this after the seeing the disaster that Firefox is turning into with that new Australis interface. SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Please don't feel any need to ruin it in the same way that Firefox has been ruined with the dumbed-down Chrome wannabe interface! If you feel the same, please show your support for SeaMonkey devs. :) Absolutely, I feel the same way. I switched to SeaMonkey because it has not had its guts ripped out. Has not had them completely filled in either or you would be able to remove the check mark from Load this bookmark in the sidebar in a bookmarks properties. If checked the bookmark doesn't open in the sidebar. YMMV ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On Friday, 2 May 2014 23:57:07 UTC+1, EE wrote: Absolutely, I feel the same way. I switched to SeaMonkey because it has not had its guts ripped out. Thanks everyone for the show of support for this great browser...! ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
nick...@gmail.com wrote: I felt compelled to write this after the seeing the disaster that Firefox is turning into with that new Australis interface. SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Please don't feel any need to ruin it in the same way that Firefox has been ruined with the dumbed-down Chrome wannabe interface! If you feel the same, please show your support for SeaMonkey devs. :) I prefer SM because it's just so familiar. But! I use and test FF too. And, I have no beef with FF except for: - loss of the throbber - loss of the status bar Other things, as well as those, can be addressed with add ons. But I prefer the integrated suite. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Just what the hell was the best thing BEFORE sliced bread? ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
nick...@gmail.com wrote: I felt compelled to write this after the seeing the disaster that Firefox is turning into with that new Australis interface. SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Please don't feel any need to ruin it in the same way that Firefox has been ruined with the dumbed-down Chrome wannabe interface! If you feel the same, please show your support for SeaMonkey devs. :) The devolpers were asked a while back if they had plans along these lines. Short answer: No. My understanding is that the logic behind Australis is to present the same interface for all devices, Phone, Tablet, PC. That idea worked really well for Microsoft with Windows 8. Seamonkey is never going to run on a Tablet or Phone so the developers have no need to waste resources changing things. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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On 5/1/2014 5:05 AM, A Williams wrote: nick...@gmail.com wrote: I felt compelled to write this after the seeing the disaster that Firefox is turning into with that new Australis interface. SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Please don't feel any need to ruin it in the same way that Firefox has been ruined with the dumbed-down Chrome wannabe interface! If you feel the same, please show your support for SeaMonkey devs. :) The devolpers were asked a while back if they had plans along these lines. Short answer: No. My understanding is that the logic behind Australis is to present the same interface for all devices, Phone, Tablet, PC. That idea worked really well for Microsoft with Windows 8. I strongly sense much sarcasm in the last sentence above. Seamonkey is never going to run on a Tablet or Phone so the developers have no need to waste resources changing things. Good! I am a retired software engineer, having spent 30+ years of my career as a software tester. I have had a series of PCs for 18 years. I do not own a smart phone (or dumb phone), tablet, laptop, or any similar device and do not plan to own any such. As someone who tested software for usability, I really have problems with Windows (especially Windows 7); but some of my favorite non-Microsoft applications do not run on a Mac or under Linux. By the way, my wife has a cell phone. It is a dumb phone that is rarely turned on. We still use land-line, wired phones because Southern California Edison has too many unplanned outages that crash VoIP systems and leave local cell towers without any power. During a power outage, our land-line phone -- self-powered by ATT -- allows me to call Edison to report the lack of electricity. -- David E. Ross http://www.rossde.com/ On occasion, I filter and ignore all newsgroup messages posted through GoogleGroups via Google's G2/1.0 user agent because of spam, flames, and trolling from that source. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
nick...@gmail.com wrote: I felt compelled to write this after the seeing the disaster that Firefox is turning into with that new Australis interface. SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Please don't feel any need to ruin it in the same way that Firefox has been ruined with the dumbed-down Chrome wannabe interface! If you feel the same, please show your support for SeaMonkey devs. :) Ditto. :) -- /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Worker Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ /Please remove ANT if replying by e-mail. ( ) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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I agree, I have a dumb cell so that I can be reached on job sites, I'm an architect. My wife has a "smart phone" with a blue tooth ear piece. I hate it, never know when she is on the phone. Get dirty looks when I talk to her and she points to he ear. We also kept a land line for similar reasons. I was turned on to SM at 1.something years ago and really like it!!! David E. Ross wrote: On 5/1/2014 5:05 AM, A Williams wrote: nick...@gmail.com wrote: I felt compelled to write this after the seeing the disaster that Firefox is turning into with that new Australis interface. SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Please don't feel any need to ruin it in the same way that Firefox has been ruined with the dumbed-down Chrome wannabe interface! If you feel the same, please show your support for SeaMonkey devs. :) The devolpers were asked a while back if they had plans along these lines. Short answer: No. My understanding is that the logic behind Australis is to present the same interface for all devices, Phone, Tablet, PC. That idea worked really well for Microsoft with Windows 8. I strongly sense much sarcasm in the last sentence above. Seamonkey is never going to run on a Tablet or Phone so the developers have no need to waste resources changing things. Good! I am a retired software engineer, having spent 30+ years of my career as a software tester. I have had a series of PCs for 18 years. I do not own a smart phone (or "dumb phone"), tablet, laptop, or any similar device and do not plan to own any such. As someone who tested software for usability, I really have problems with Windows (especially Windows 7); but some of my favorite non-Microsoft applications do not run on a Mac or under Linux. By the way, my wife has a cell phone. It is a "dumb phone" that is rarely turned on. We still use land-line, wired phones because Southern California Edison has too many unplanned outages that crash VoIP systems and leave local cell towers without any power. During a power outage, our land-line phone -- self-powered by ATT -- allows me to call Edison to report the lack of electricity. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Steven Silvera wrote: I agree, I have a dumb cell so that I can be reached on job sites, I'm an architect. My wife has a smart phone with a blue tooth ear piece. I hate it, never know when she is on the phone. Get dirty looks when I talk to her and she points to he ear. We also kept a land line for similar reasons. I was turned on to SM at 1.something years ago and really like it!!! I have rthe same problem with people with their Bluetooths. Bah! -- /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Worker Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ /Please remove ANT if replying by e-mail. ( ) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same -- or better!
Seamonkey doesn't appeal JUST to those who despise Smartphones, tablets headsets! I love all that stuff; but when I'm in productivity mode at home or work, Seamonkey is customizable to suit MY working style, however oddball that may be (like needing to quickly search twenty years of archived business emails...). That's why I stick with it tenaciously -- not because it's a suite, or because I prefer older tech over new tech. So thank you SM developers for keeping this great product alive, and keeping it moving forward! nick...@gmail.com wrote: I felt compelled to write this after the seeing the disaster that Firefox is turning into with that new Australis interface. SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Please don't feel any need to ruin it in the same way that Firefox has been ruined with the dumbed-down Chrome wannabe interface! If you feel the same, please show your support for SeaMonkey devs. :) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
David E. Ross wrote: On 5/1/2014 5:05 AM, A Williams wrote: nick...@gmail.com wrote: I felt compelled to write this after the seeing the disaster that Firefox is turning into with that new Australis interface. SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Please don't feel any need to ruin it in the same way that Firefox has been ruined with the dumbed-down Chrome wannabe interface! If you feel the same, please show your support for SeaMonkey devs. :) The devolpers were asked a while back if they had plans along these lines. Short answer: No. My understanding is that the logic behind Australis is to present the same interface for all devices, Phone, Tablet, PC. That idea worked really well for Microsoft with Windows 8. I strongly sense much sarcasm in the last sentence above. Seamonkey is never going to run on a Tablet or Phone so the developers have no need to waste resources changing things. Good! I am a retired software engineer, having spent 30+ years of my career as a software tester. I have had a series of PCs for 18 years. I do not own a smart phone (or dumb phone), tablet, laptop, or any similar device and do not plan to own any such. As someone who tested software for usability, I really have problems with Windows (especially Windows 7); but some of my favorite non-Microsoft applications do not run on a Mac or under Linux. By the way, my wife has a cell phone. It is a dumb phone that is rarely turned on. We still use land-line, wired phones because Southern California Edison has too many unplanned outages that crash VoIP systems and leave local cell towers without any power. During a power outage, our land-line phone -- self-powered by ATT -- allows me to call Edison to report the lack of electricity. You're not having near enough fun, Dave. I turn 64 in August. I have: - 3 computers - 3 tablets - 2 smart phones - 4 Tivos - a Comcast DVR - 2 network printers Numerous other network stuff, switches, routers, etc. All wired and installed by me. Yes, the wires in the walls, the boxes in the walls, and all the gear. I can sit in the family room with a tablet and read spreadsheets off the server in my office upstairs, listen to music, etc. I can play any of 12,000+ songs from our library on the server through our stereo (yeah, I know, no surround for me, I am kind of a Luddite that way.). I can be on the deck and look at our financial files on my network on my smart phone. It's called convenience. Someone (the wife) asks me a question? I get the most convenient device and look it up. I do not have to heave a huge sigh and trudge up to my office. I've had computers in my home since 1984 or thereabouts. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ When tempted to fight fire with fire, remember that the Fire Department usually uses water. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
nick...@gmail.com wrote: I felt compelled to write this after the seeing the disaster that Firefox is turning into with that new Australis interface. SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Please don't feel any need to ruin it in the same way that Firefox has been ruined with the dumbed-down Chrome wannabe interface! If you feel the same, please show your support for SeaMonkey devs. :) ...fix the interface bugs, at least...the Profile Manager is still broken in the OS X version, as well as SM still not following on-disk Alias paths to .html files. And then there's the ignoring of my pref setting for Master Password request...and the short drawn dialog boxes... Please - *don't* keep SM the *same*! -- - Rufus ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same -- or better!
BIll Spikowski wrote: Seamonkey doesn't appeal JUST to those who despise Smartphones, tablets headsets! I love all that stuff; but when I'm in productivity mode at home or work, Seamonkey is customizable to suit MY working style, however oddball that may be (like needing to quickly search twenty years of archived business emails...). That's why I stick with it tenaciously -- not because it's a suite, or because I prefer older tech over new tech. So thank you SM developers for keeping this great product alive, and keeping it moving forward! nick...@gmail.com wrote: I felt compelled to write this after the seeing the disaster that Firefox is turning into with that new Australis interface. SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Please don't feel any need to ruin it in the same way that Firefox has been ruined with the dumbed-down Chrome wannabe interface! If you feel the same, please show your support for SeaMonkey devs. :) Great, Bill. Same here. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ The easiest way to find something lost around the house is to buy a replacement. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Ant wrote: nick...@gmail.com wrote: I felt compelled to write this after the seeing the disaster that Firefox is turning into with that new Australis interface. SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Please don't feel any need to ruin it in the same way that Firefox has been ruined with the dumbed-down Chrome wannabe interface! If you feel the same, please show your support for SeaMonkey devs. :) Ditto. :) Plus me. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ The easiest way to find something lost around the house is to buy a replacement. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
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Rufus wrote: nick...@gmail.com wrote: I felt compelled to write this after the seeing the disaster that Firefox is turning into with that new Australis interface. SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Please don't feel any need to ruin it in the same way that Firefox has been ruined with the dumbed-down Chrome wannabe interface! If you feel the same, please show your support for SeaMonkey devs. :) ...fix the interface bugs, at least...the Profile Manager is still broken in the OS X version, as well as SM still not following on-disk Alias paths to .html files. And then there's the ignoring of my pref setting for Master Password request...and the short drawn dialog boxes... Please - *don't* keep SM the *same*! The same is not what you're talking about. Wjhat we're talking abouit is the UI and it's Firefox warpin. None of that is happening to SM. And, THANK GOD! Address your issues aside from this discussion of how SM's UI is a separate issue from Firfox's. -- Ed Mullen http://edmullen.net/ Very funny Scotty - now beam down my clothes. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
Rufus wrote: nick...@gmail.com wrote: I felt compelled to write this after the seeing the disaster that Firefox is turning into with that new Australis interface. SeaMonkey developers, you are doing an amazing job. I think the interface is excellent, logical and *just works*, especially for desktop. Please don't feel any need to ruin it in the same way that Firefox has been ruined with the dumbed-down Chrome wannabe interface! If you feel the same, please show your support for SeaMonkey devs. :) ...fix the interface bugs, at least...the Profile Manager is still broken in the OS X version, as well as SM still not following on-disk Alias paths to .html files. And then there's the ignoring of my pref setting for Master Password request...and the short drawn dialog boxes... Please - *don't* keep SM the *same*! No one wants to keep any bugs. We want to keep the way the UI is structured and functions. SeaMonkey IMHO would be going in the wrong direction if it copied the Chromified simplified UI interface and functionality. I do not understand why browser/email clients need the same UI for both Desktop and Mobile devices. When a mobile app's UI is transferred to the desktop, I find it becomes more cumbersome and difficult to use. Just look at Windows 8. Developers gave Windows 8 the same UI as their mobile OS. The revamped UI may be fine for mobile devices, but is a disaster on the desktop. BTW I love the fact that SeaMonkey is is an Internet Suite with tight integration between the browser and email apps. Please don't join the trend to give SeaMonkey a UI which has been dumbed down and is more suitable for a mobile device. SeaMonkey's UI works well for the OS X desktop computer--enough said. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
No one wants to keep any bugs. We want to keep the way the UI is structured and functions. SeaMonkey IMHO would be going in the wrong direction if it copied the Chromified simplified UI interface and functionality. I do not understand why browser/email clients need the same UI for both Desktop and Mobile devices. When a mobile app's UI is transferred to the desktop, I find it becomes more cumbersome and difficult to use. Just look at Windows 8. Developers gave Windows 8 the same UI as their mobile OS. The revamped UI may be fine for mobile devices, but is a disaster on the desktop. Ditto! BTW I love the fact that SeaMonkey is is an Internet Suite with tight integration between the browser and email apps. Please don't join the trend to give SeaMonkey a UI which has been dumbed down and is more suitable for a mobile device. SeaMonkey's UI works well for the OS X desktop computer--enough said. IIRC, this is the same GUI design since Netscape suite days. Hence, why I still use this suite product today. :D -- /\___/\ / /\ /\ \ Worker Ant @ http://antfarm.ma.cx (Personal Web Site) | |o o| | Ant's Quality Foraged Links (AQFL): http://aqfl.net \ _ /Please remove ANT if replying by e-mail. ( ) ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
On 5/1/2014 8:32 PM Ed Mullen submitted the following: Deleted text that I'm not commenting on has been deleted You're not having near enough fun, Dave. I turn 64 in August. I have: - 3 computers - 3 tablets - 2 smart phones - 4 Tivos - a Comcast DVR - 2 network printers Numerous other network stuff, switches, routers, etc. All wired and installed by me. Yes, the wires in the walls, the boxes in the walls, and all the gear. I can sit in the family room with a tablet and read spreadsheets off the server in my office upstairs, listen to music, etc. I can play any of 12,000+ songs from our library on the server through our stereo (yeah, I know, no surround for me, I am kind of a Luddite that way.). I can be on the deck and look at our financial files on my network on my smart phone. It's called convenience. Someone (the wife) asks me a question? I get the most convenient device and look it up. I do not have to heave a huge sigh and trudge up to my office. I've had computers in my home since 1984 or thereabouts. Golly - I turned 81 in January and I have: 1 - Desktop running Windows 7 2 - Laptops running Linux Mint 0 - Smart phones 2 - HD TVs 2 - Verizon DVR's on FIOS 1 - Hard wired printer to the desktop. 1 - I-Pod 1 - Android 7 Tablet And I agree with the rest of your comments. -- Ed, W3BNR ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
Re: I love SeaMonkey - please keep it the same!
On 05/01/2014 09:52 PM, W3BNR wrote: On 5/1/2014 8:32 PM Ed Mullen submitted the following: Deleted text that I'm not commenting on has been deleted You're not having near enough fun, Dave. I turn 64 in August. I have: - 3 computers - 3 tablets - 2 smart phones - 4 Tivos - a Comcast DVR - 2 network printers Numerous other network stuff, switches, routers, etc. All wired and installed by me. Yes, the wires in the walls, the boxes in the walls, and all the gear. I can sit in the family room with a tablet and read spreadsheets off the server in my office upstairs, listen to music, etc. I can play any of 12,000+ songs from our library on the server through our stereo (yeah, I know, no surround for me, I am kind of a Luddite that way.). I can be on the deck and look at our financial files on my network on my smart phone. It's called convenience. Someone (the wife) asks me a question? I get the most convenient device and look it up. I do not have to heave a huge sigh and trudge up to my office. I've had computers in my home since 1984 or thereabouts. Golly - I turned 81 in January and I have: 1 - Desktop running Windows 7 2 - Laptops running Linux Mint 0 - Smart phones 2 - HD TVs 2 - Verizon DVR's on FIOS 1 - Hard wired printer to the desktop. 1 - I-Pod 1 - Android 7 Tablet And I agree with the rest of your comments. 1 - Desktop running openSUSE 13.1 1 - Hard wired printer to the desktop 0 - Smart phones 0 - Tvs Guess I lose. ___ support-seamonkey mailing list support-seamonkey@lists.mozilla.org https://lists.mozilla.org/listinfo/support-seamonkey
