Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

[Dave Hunt]

Hi again,

B-Format is the same sound field in a different format.

It is easily rotatable or invertible on any axis (not sure about that in higher 
orders) before the binaural render, 

I must look at the H2n manual to see if it gives any information about what 
comes out of the headphone socket when in B-Format mode.

I have only really used it for capture in a situation where I needed to be 
discrete, and aware of everything that was happening around me, including the 
effects of my presence. Ambiences, walk throughs and impromptu encounters were 
what was to be captured. I could imagine what the recording was capturing and 
just needed to keep an eye on the meters every now and again and whether I was 
recording or not.

Wearing headphones and large furry microphones makes it obvious that you are 
recording, and lead to endless discussions with people about what you are 
recording and why.

Having tried binaural recording with small omnis in my ears, where monitoring 
on headphones would be highly undesirable, I had got used to not monitoring.

Ciao,

Dave

On 10 Apr 2018, at 17:00, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote:

> From: jack reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?
> Date: 10 April 2018 14:15:23 BST
> To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu>
> 
> 
> if you just want a stereo binaural file to hand over, you are probably
> better off with a binaural mic.
> 
> monitoring just one channel of the A-format is just listening to one of the
> capsules, which will be pointing in a particular direction. Or you could
> monitor the two front facing capsules and get quasi stereo.
> 
> The advantage of A-Format is it picks up the full soundfield, so you can
> decide which direction you want your binaural render to be facing after you
> have recorded it.

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Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

[Paul Hodges]

--On 10 April 2018 11:01 + umashankar manthravadi
 wrote:

> No and I do not know any ambisonic recordings that do not need some
> processing, Even when the output is B format,

I listen to my B-format recordings directly, using the Blue Ripple
player (which will play both FuMa and Ambix files).

That's "directly" in that I don't have to undertake any further work
myself to reach this point.

Paul

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Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

[Paul Hodges]

--On 09 April 2018 21:22 +0200 Oddity Medium 
wrote:

> Has anyone of you tried?

Just a few days ago; have a comparison track which uses all horizontal
directions (the choir processes from behind to the front by different
routes):

https://cassland.org/sounds/Hanacpachap(H2n,Ambix).WAV
https://cassland.org/sounds/Hanacpachap(TetraMic,FuMa).wav

Note the different file formats.

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Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

[jack reynolds]

Fernando - is your A2B matrix for the octathingy first order?

On 10 April 2018 at 06:37, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano 
wrote:

> On 04/09/2018 01:49 PM, Augustine Leudar wrote:
>
>> My guess would be the AD converters are not great - DA converters are
>> generally flat as a pankake these days but AD converters are not always on
>> cheaper stuff. I tried it with various different microphones and was never
>> happy - several other sI know found the same. Of course they dont have
>> phantom power either ...
>>
>
> But the internal capsules do have phantom power! Which can lead to SpHEAR
> Franken-Microphones like the one in the attached picture[*] :-) That was
> the first prototype, works fine (too bad the H2N does not store four
> channel recordings in "native" format, makes things more difficult). One
> hole on one the side and the right connectors and you are in (and a lot of
> work, mind you). I have yet to finish assembling the second. Only so many
> hours in a day (24, last time I checked, too few).
>
> -- Fernando
>
> [*] part of the SpHEAR project:
> https://cm-gitlab.stanford.edu/ambisonics/SpHEAR/
>
>
> On 9 April 2018 at 21:43, David Pickett  wrote:
>>
>> At 22:36 09-04-18, Augustine Leudar wrote:
>>>
 PS thats with the onboard capsules though - the AD converter is a mini

>>> jack
>>>
 in and terrible quality.

>>>
>>> Why is this? It is counter-intuitive. I mean, the actual input level and
>>> impedance may be non-standard and need some accommodation, but having
>>> taken
>>> care of that, why should the quality be worse than using the microphione
>>> mounted on the side?
>>>
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Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

[Dave Hunt]

Hi,

As far as I can see the Zoom H2n only has a normal stereo headphone output, so 
any decoding to stereo or binaural would have to be in firmware.

At least the files recorded are horizontal B-Format in Ambix format, one stereo 
of W and Y, the other X and Z, Z being completely mute. They require no A to B 
format recoding.

Ciao,

Dave Hunt


On 10 Apr 2018, at 14:06, sursound-requ...@music.vt.edu wrote:

> From: Oddity Medium <odditymed...@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?
> Date: 10 April 2018 14:05:56 BST
> To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu>
> 
> 
> yeah, binaurally
> 
> the new firmware on the mixpre allows live monitoring on the sennheiser
> ambeos. i'm not comparing the two systems, as they are very different price
> points (4 times apart) but i am asking, what does monitoring one channel of
> A-format mean?
> there is no W or omni in A-format right?
> 
> also i'm getting too pedantic maybe. a simpler question is, in practical
> usage for you field recordists/musicians/sound designers out there, how
> much of a hassle is this really?
> the fact that at the end of the recording i cant just hand off the SD card
> to someone with a ready stereo mix, but have to wait till i reach a
> computer?
> 
> sorry if this is too personal
> 
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:02 PM, jack reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> 
>> do you want monitor live binaurally?
>> 
>> you can monitor the individual channels, but I don't know of any way of
>> monitoring ambisonics live except for one of the Soundfield mics, which had
>> this built in to the controller
>> 
>> On 10 April 2018 at 12:52, Oddity Medium <odditymed...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> but i cannot monitor live? isnt this a problem?
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:36 PM, umashankar manthravadi <
>>> umasha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Or get an approximate idea of what you are recording by listening to
>> the
>>>> front pair.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> umashankar
>>>> 

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Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

[Oddity Medium]

Mr Umashankar would be nice if you had a wide range of recordings
specifically from this mic available in A and B format on your website.
Not doubting your claims, but simply hoping to listen to some recordings
straight from the B-i-Z?

Anyone else want to comment on Brahma-in-Zoom quality either in this thread
or privately, please do message me.


On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:15 PM, jack reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> if you just want a stereo binaural file to hand over, you are probably
> better off with a binaural mic.
>
> monitoring just one channel of the A-format is just listening to one of the
> capsules, which will be pointing in a particular direction. Or you could
> monitor the two front facing capsules and get quasi stereo.
>
> The advantage of A-Format is it picks up the full soundfield, so you can
> decide which direction you want your binaural render to be facing after you
> have recorded it.
>
> On 10 April 2018 at 14:05, Oddity Medium <odditymed...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > yeah, binaurally
> >
> > the new firmware on the mixpre allows live monitoring on the sennheiser
> > ambeos. i'm not comparing the two systems, as they are very different
> price
> > points (4 times apart) but i am asking, what does monitoring one channel
> of
> > A-format mean?
> > there is no W or omni in A-format right?
> >
> > also i'm getting too pedantic maybe. a simpler question is, in practical
> > usage for you field recordists/musicians/sound designers out there, how
> > much of a hassle is this really?
> > the fact that at the end of the recording i cant just hand off the SD
> card
> > to someone with a ready stereo mix, but have to wait till i reach a
> > computer?
> >
> > sorry if this is too personal
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:02 PM, jack reynolds <
> jackreynolds...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > do you want monitor live binaurally?
> > >
> > > you can monitor the individual channels, but I don't know of any way of
> > > monitoring ambisonics live except for one of the Soundfield mics, which
> > had
> > > this built in to the controller
> > >
> > > On 10 April 2018 at 12:52, Oddity Medium <odditymed...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > but i cannot monitor live? isnt this a problem?
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:36 PM, umashankar manthravadi <
> > > > umasha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Or get an approximate idea of what you are recording by listening
> to
> > > the
> > > > > front pair.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > umashankar
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> > > > > Windows 10
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 
> > > > > From: Sursound <sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu> on behalf of Jack
> > > > Reynolds
> > > > > <jackreynolds...@gmail.com>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 4:56:13 PM
> > > > > To: Surround Sound discussion group
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?
> > > > >
> > > > > It’s just four cardioids pointing outwards from a central point, so
> > you
> > > > > can use them as individual signals if you want. Or encode them to
> > > > B-Format
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Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

[jack reynolds]

if you just want a stereo binaural file to hand over, you are probably
better off with a binaural mic.

monitoring just one channel of the A-format is just listening to one of the
capsules, which will be pointing in a particular direction. Or you could
monitor the two front facing capsules and get quasi stereo.

The advantage of A-Format is it picks up the full soundfield, so you can
decide which direction you want your binaural render to be facing after you
have recorded it.

On 10 April 2018 at 14:05, Oddity Medium <odditymed...@gmail.com> wrote:

> yeah, binaurally
>
> the new firmware on the mixpre allows live monitoring on the sennheiser
> ambeos. i'm not comparing the two systems, as they are very different price
> points (4 times apart) but i am asking, what does monitoring one channel of
> A-format mean?
> there is no W or omni in A-format right?
>
> also i'm getting too pedantic maybe. a simpler question is, in practical
> usage for you field recordists/musicians/sound designers out there, how
> much of a hassle is this really?
> the fact that at the end of the recording i cant just hand off the SD card
> to someone with a ready stereo mix, but have to wait till i reach a
> computer?
>
> sorry if this is too personal
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:02 PM, jack reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > do you want monitor live binaurally?
> >
> > you can monitor the individual channels, but I don't know of any way of
> > monitoring ambisonics live except for one of the Soundfield mics, which
> had
> > this built in to the controller
> >
> > On 10 April 2018 at 12:52, Oddity Medium <odditymed...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > but i cannot monitor live? isnt this a problem?
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:36 PM, umashankar manthravadi <
> > > umasha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Or get an approximate idea of what you are recording by listening to
> > the
> > > > front pair.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > umashankar
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> > > > Windows 10
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > From: Sursound <sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu> on behalf of Jack
> > > Reynolds
> > > > <jackreynolds...@gmail.com>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 4:56:13 PM
> > > > To: Surround Sound discussion group
> > > > Subject: Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > It’s just four cardioids pointing outwards from a central point, so
> you
> > > > can use them as individual signals if you want. Or encode them to
> > > B-Format
> > > > or any number of other virtual microphone arrangements.
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Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

[Augustine Leudar]

You just have to monitor stereo on headphones - its sufficient

On 10 April 2018 at 14:05, Oddity Medium <odditymed...@gmail.com> wrote:

> yeah, binaurally
>
> the new firmware on the mixpre allows live monitoring on the sennheiser
> ambeos. i'm not comparing the two systems, as they are very different price
> points (4 times apart) but i am asking, what does monitoring one channel of
> A-format mean?
> there is no W or omni in A-format right?
>
> also i'm getting too pedantic maybe. a simpler question is, in practical
> usage for you field recordists/musicians/sound designers out there, how
> much of a hassle is this really?
> the fact that at the end of the recording i cant just hand off the SD card
> to someone with a ready stereo mix, but have to wait till i reach a
> computer?
>
> sorry if this is too personal
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:02 PM, jack reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > do you want monitor live binaurally?
> >
> > you can monitor the individual channels, but I don't know of any way of
> > monitoring ambisonics live except for one of the Soundfield mics, which
> had
> > this built in to the controller
> >
> > On 10 April 2018 at 12:52, Oddity Medium <odditymed...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > but i cannot monitor live? isnt this a problem?
> > >
> > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:36 PM, umashankar manthravadi <
> > > umasha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Or get an approximate idea of what you are recording by listening to
> > the
> > > > front pair.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > umashankar
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> > > > Windows 10
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 
> > > > From: Sursound <sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu> on behalf of Jack
> > > Reynolds
> > > > <jackreynolds...@gmail.com>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 4:56:13 PM
> > > > To: Surround Sound discussion group
> > > > Subject: Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > It’s just four cardioids pointing outwards from a central point, so
> you
> > > > can use them as individual signals if you want. Or encode them to
> > > B-Format
> > > > or any number of other virtual microphone arrangements.
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Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

[Oddity Medium]

yeah, binaurally

the new firmware on the mixpre allows live monitoring on the sennheiser
ambeos. i'm not comparing the two systems, as they are very different price
points (4 times apart) but i am asking, what does monitoring one channel of
A-format mean?
there is no W or omni in A-format right?

also i'm getting too pedantic maybe. a simpler question is, in practical
usage for you field recordists/musicians/sound designers out there, how
much of a hassle is this really?
the fact that at the end of the recording i cant just hand off the SD card
to someone with a ready stereo mix, but have to wait till i reach a
computer?

sorry if this is too personal

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 3:02 PM, jack reynolds <jackreynolds...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> do you want monitor live binaurally?
>
> you can monitor the individual channels, but I don't know of any way of
> monitoring ambisonics live except for one of the Soundfield mics, which had
> this built in to the controller
>
> On 10 April 2018 at 12:52, Oddity Medium <odditymed...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > but i cannot monitor live? isnt this a problem?
> >
> > On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:36 PM, umashankar manthravadi <
> > umasha...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Or get an approximate idea of what you are recording by listening to
> the
> > > front pair.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > umashankar
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> > > Windows 10
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 
> > > From: Sursound <sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu> on behalf of Jack
> > Reynolds
> > > <jackreynolds...@gmail.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 4:56:13 PM
> > > To: Surround Sound discussion group
> > > Subject: Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?
> > >
> > > It’s just four cardioids pointing outwards from a central point, so you
> > > can use them as individual signals if you want. Or encode them to
> > B-Format
> > > or any number of other virtual microphone arrangements.
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Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

[jack reynolds]

do you want monitor live binaurally?

you can monitor the individual channels, but I don't know of any way of
monitoring ambisonics live except for one of the Soundfield mics, which had
this built in to the controller

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> but i cannot monitor live? isnt this a problem?
>
> On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:36 PM, umashankar manthravadi <
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>
> > Or get an approximate idea of what you are recording by listening to the
> > front pair.
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> >
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Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

[Oddity Medium]

but i cannot monitor live? isnt this a problem?

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 1:36 PM, umashankar manthravadi <
umasha...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Or get an approximate idea of what you are recording by listening to the
> front pair.
>
>
>
> umashankar
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> Subject: Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?
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Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

[umashankar manthravadi]

Or get an approximate idea of what you are recording by listening to the front 
pair.



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Subject: Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

It’s just four cardioids pointing outwards from a central point, so you can use 
them as individual signals if you want. Or encode them to B-Format or any 
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Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

[Jack Reynolds]

It’s just four cardioids pointing outwards from a central point, so you can use 
them as individual signals if you want. Or encode them to B-Format or any 
number of other virtual microphone arrangements. 
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Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

[Peter Lennox]

Well, of course, you can just listen to 'W'

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-Original Message-
From: Sursound [mailto:sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu] On Behalf Of umashankar 
manthravadi
Sent: 10 April 2018 12:02
To: Surround Sound discussion group <sursound@music.vt.edu>
Subject: Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

No and I do not know any ambisonic recordings that do not need some processing, 
Even when the output is B format,  you have to process it to hear it.



umashankar



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From: Sursound <sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu> on behalf of Oddity Medium 
<odditymed...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 4:29:13 PM
To: Surround Sound discussion group
Subject: Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

but what is the putput of the brahma-in-zoom? is it similar output to h2n?

for example suppose i dont have any recorder with me and i just need to record 
something quickly, and i don't care about ambisonics so much as much as getting 
a high quality ambience/recording, can i use the brahma-in-zoom?
will it output WAVs? or will i need to convert it with a computer

i guess my question is, do i need to do extra processing for every recording 
with the brahma-in-zoom? cometimes i dont want to use a DAW/software, i just 
wanna drag/drop the recording into a drive, straight up WAV's and just play 
them, and not muck around with conversion, ardour, bla bla  - can i do this 
with the b-i-z?

i guess i'm saying, is the workflow much more complicated? frankly, i dont 
wanna be near computers, i wanna be outdoors.

also, can i monitor live with headphone the b-i-z?

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:29 PM, umashankar manthravadi < 
umasha...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> My modified Brahma-in-Zoom eliminates several of the flows. First, I
> am using matched sets of 14 mm capsules, mounted on a true tetrahedral array.
> Two, I calibrate the microphone, which eliminates quite a few of the
> irregularities which come from mounting the array in the body. I have
> some very good quality recordings using Brahma-in-Zoom.
>
>
>
> It is till as compact and convenient if not as cheap.
>
>
>
> umashankar
>
>
>
> Sent from
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> < eba...@tcd.ie>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:52:41 PM
> To: sursound@music.vt.edu
> Subject: Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?
>
> Hi all,
>
>   so as Gus mentioned we did a detailed comparison of a number of
> Ambisonic microphones including the H2n, which you can find a summary
> of on my blog or in the original papers in the AES library for all the 
> details.
> Here are my general thoughts.
>
> - in general the H2n unsurprisingly can't quite compete with a proper
> Ambisonic microphone as it's missing height, and the irregular spacing
> of the capsules causes a reduction in localization accuracy and some
> other issues.
>
> - however, it is definitely usable, and the fidelity of the inbuilt
> microphones is not bad at all considering the price, and ease of use.
> Especially for capturing general ambiences or the like it's more than
> usable, and I nearly always record with a H2n just as a backup as well
> as another Ambisonic microphone (this saved me on a couple of occasions).
>
> - the price, and physical size are very useful as it is something you
> can stick in a bag and turn on and setup in seconds, which make it
> very handy for off the cuff recordings (although that's true of the
> Brahama also of course).
>
>
> So my two cents, it's flawed but actually very good for the money.
>
> enda
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Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

[umashankar manthravadi]

No and I do not know any ambisonic recordings that do not need some processing, 
Even when the output is B format,  you have to process it to hear it.



umashankar



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From: Sursound <sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu> on behalf of Oddity Medium 
<odditymed...@gmail.com>
Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 4:29:13 PM
To: Surround Sound discussion group
Subject: Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

but what is the putput of the brahma-in-zoom? is it similar output to h2n?

for example suppose i dont have any recorder with me and i just need to
record something quickly, and i don't care about ambisonics so much as much
as getting a high quality ambience/recording, can i use the brahma-in-zoom?
will it output WAVs? or will i need to convert it with a computer

i guess my question is, do i need to do extra processing for every
recording with the brahma-in-zoom? cometimes i dont want to use a
DAW/software, i just wanna drag/drop the recording into a drive, straight
up WAV's and just play them, and not muck around with conversion, ardour,
bla bla  - can i do this with the b-i-z?

i guess i'm saying, is the workflow much more complicated? frankly, i dont
wanna be near computers, i wanna be outdoors.

also, can i monitor live with headphone the b-i-z?

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:29 PM, umashankar manthravadi <
umasha...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> My modified Brahma-in-Zoom eliminates several of the flows. First, I am
> using matched sets of 14 mm capsules, mounted on a true tetrahedral array.
> Two, I calibrate the microphone, which eliminates quite a few of the
> irregularities which come from mounting the array in the body. I have some
> very good quality recordings using Brahma-in-Zoom.
>
>
>
> It is till as compact and convenient if not as cheap.
>
>
>
> umashankar
>
>
>
> Sent from 
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> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:52:41 PM
> To: sursound@music.vt.edu
> Subject: Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?
>
> Hi all,
>
>   so as Gus mentioned we did a detailed comparison of a number of
> Ambisonic microphones including the H2n, which you can find a summary of on
> my blog or in the original papers in the AES library for all the details.
> Here are my general thoughts.
>
> - in general the H2n unsurprisingly can't quite compete with a proper
> Ambisonic microphone as it's missing height, and the irregular spacing of
> the capsules causes a reduction in localization accuracy and some other
> issues.
>
> - however, it is definitely usable, and the fidelity of the inbuilt
> microphones is not bad at all considering the price, and ease of use.
> Especially for capturing general ambiences or the like it's more than
> usable, and I nearly always record with a H2n just as a backup as well as
> another Ambisonic microphone (this saved me on a couple of occasions).
>
> - the price, and physical size are very useful as it is something you can
> stick in a bag and turn on and setup in seconds, which make it very handy
> for off the cuff recordings (although that's true of the Brahama also of
> course).
>
>
> So my two cents, it's flawed but actually very good for the money.
>
> enda
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Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

[Oddity Medium]

but what is the putput of the brahma-in-zoom? is it similar output to h2n?

for example suppose i dont have any recorder with me and i just need to
record something quickly, and i don't care about ambisonics so much as much
as getting a high quality ambience/recording, can i use the brahma-in-zoom?
will it output WAVs? or will i need to convert it with a computer

i guess my question is, do i need to do extra processing for every
recording with the brahma-in-zoom? cometimes i dont want to use a
DAW/software, i just wanna drag/drop the recording into a drive, straight
up WAV's and just play them, and not muck around with conversion, ardour,
bla bla  - can i do this with the b-i-z?

i guess i'm saying, is the workflow much more complicated? frankly, i dont
wanna be near computers, i wanna be outdoors.

also, can i monitor live with headphone the b-i-z?

On Tue, Apr 10, 2018 at 12:29 PM, umashankar manthravadi <
umasha...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> My modified Brahma-in-Zoom eliminates several of the flows. First, I am
> using matched sets of 14 mm capsules, mounted on a true tetrahedral array.
> Two, I calibrate the microphone, which eliminates quite a few of the
> irregularities which come from mounting the array in the body. I have some
> very good quality recordings using Brahma-in-Zoom.
>
>
>
> It is till as compact and convenient if not as cheap.
>
>
>
> umashankar
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
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>
>
> 
> From: Sursound <sursound-boun...@music.vt.edu> on behalf of Enda Bates <
> eba...@tcd.ie>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 10, 2018 3:52:41 PM
> To: sursound@music.vt.edu
> Subject: Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?
>
> Hi all,
>
>   so as Gus mentioned we did a detailed comparison of a number of
> Ambisonic microphones including the H2n, which you can find a summary of on
> my blog or in the original papers in the AES library for all the details.
> Here are my general thoughts.
>
> - in general the H2n unsurprisingly can't quite compete with a proper
> Ambisonic microphone as it's missing height, and the irregular spacing of
> the capsules causes a reduction in localization accuracy and some other
> issues.
>
> - however, it is definitely usable, and the fidelity of the inbuilt
> microphones is not bad at all considering the price, and ease of use.
> Especially for capturing general ambiences or the like it's more than
> usable, and I nearly always record with a H2n just as a backup as well as
> another Ambisonic microphone (this saved me on a couple of occasions).
>
> - the price, and physical size are very useful as it is something you can
> stick in a bag and turn on and setup in seconds, which make it very handy
> for off the cuff recordings (although that's true of the Brahama also of
> course).
>
>
> So my two cents, it's flawed but actually very good for the money.
>
> enda
>
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Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

[umashankar manthravadi]

My modified Brahma-in-Zoom eliminates several of the flows. First, I am using 
matched sets of 14 mm capsules, mounted on a true tetrahedral array. Two, I 
calibrate the microphone, which eliminates quite a few of the irregularities 
which come from mounting the array in the body. I have some very good quality 
recordings using Brahma-in-Zoom.



It is till as compact and convenient if not as cheap.



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Hi all,

  so as Gus mentioned we did a detailed comparison of a number of Ambisonic 
microphones including the H2n, which you can find a summary of on my blog or in 
the original papers in the AES library for all the details. Here are my general 
thoughts.

- in general the H2n unsurprisingly can't quite compete with a proper Ambisonic 
microphone as it's missing height, and the irregular spacing of the capsules 
causes a reduction in localization accuracy and some other issues.

- however, it is definitely usable, and the fidelity of the inbuilt microphones 
is not bad at all considering the price, and ease of use. Especially for 
capturing general ambiences or the like it's more than usable, and I nearly 
always record with a H2n just as a backup as well as another Ambisonic 
microphone (this saved me on a couple of occasions).

- the price, and physical size are very useful as it is something you can stick 
in a bag and turn on and setup in seconds, which make it very handy for off the 
cuff recordings (although that's true of the Brahama also of course).


So my two cents, it's flawed but actually very good for the money.

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Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

[Enda Bates]

Hi all,

  so as Gus mentioned we did a detailed comparison of a number of Ambisonic 
microphones including the H2n, which you can find a summary of on my blog or in 
the original papers in the AES library for all the details. Here are my general 
thoughts.

- in general the H2n unsurprisingly can't quite compete with a proper Ambisonic 
microphone as it's missing height, and the irregular spacing of the capsules 
causes a reduction in localization accuracy and some other issues.

- however, it is definitely usable, and the fidelity of the inbuilt microphones 
is not bad at all considering the price, and ease of use. Especially for 
capturing general ambiences or the like it's more than usable, and I nearly 
always record with a H2n just as a backup as well as another Ambisonic 
microphone (this saved me on a couple of occasions).

- the price, and physical size are very useful as it is something you can stick 
in a bag and turn on and setup in seconds, which make it very handy for off the 
cuff recordings (although that's true of the Brahama also of course).


So my two cents, it's flawed but actually very good for the money.

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Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

[Dave Hunt]

Hi,

I haven't included any of the previous correspondence in view of previous 
complaints.

The Zoom H2n may not be perfect, but it is incredibly practical and convenient, 
especially with the Rycote Audio Kit. Very portable and self contained, you can 
be recording anywhere in seconds, and the results are surprisingly good and 
very useable. Yes, horizontal only but often that is all that is required.

Of course there are other more expensive and better options, but the H2n is 
useful and very good value for money.

Ciao,

Dave
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Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

[umashankar manthravadi]

We have modified more than a 100 Zoom H2ns into Brahma-in-Zoom. We have 
incorporated the MS to XY conversion into the filtermatrix so there is no need 
to do additional conversion. It would have been nice to have raw signals on the 
MS pair, but I can live with it.

The MS signal in my Zooms is always the rear pair. I wire it so I can see the 
meters during recording. I have not seen too many problems because the lower 
dynamic range on the MS pair (specifically on the M channel)

The external input on the Zoom h2n is rather odd. It has its own preamp and for 
some  reason it is very poor quality compared to the four channels connected to 
the internal capsules.



umashankar





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Subject: Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?


I recently built a tetrahedral array into a zoom h2n, but had problems with the 
m/s encoding of the first two channels eating into the already limited headroom 
of the mic pres. The signals are added together on the m channel and the 
resulting recording levels are very different on the first two channels when 
compared to channels 3 and 4.
I do with you could record channels 1 and 2 raw, like you can when in two 
channel m/s mode.

Jack
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Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

[Jack Reynolds]

I recently built a tetrahedral array into a zoom h2n, but had problems with the 
m/s encoding of the first two channels eating into the already limited headroom 
of the mic pres. The signals are added together on the m channel and the 
resulting recording levels are very different on the first two channels when 
compared to channels 3 and 4. 
I do with you could record channels 1 and 2 raw, like you can when in two 
channel m/s mode.

Jack 
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Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

[Eero Aro]

Augustine Leudar wrote> My guess would be the AD converters are not great

I had my H2 measured by my then employer's Microphone Maintenance.
They also said that H2 is very good in many respects, but they said that
there is no use of using the 20 bit sampling rate, especially with 
microphones

connected to the external mic input, as the SN ratio is so poor. You don't
benefit anything from the four extra bits.

Eero
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Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

[Fernando Lopez-Lezcano]

On 04/09/2018 01:49 PM, Augustine Leudar wrote:

My guess would be the AD converters are not great - DA converters are
generally flat as a pankake these days but AD converters are not always on
cheaper stuff. I tried it with various different microphones and was never
happy - several other sI know found the same. Of course they dont have
phantom power either ...


But the internal capsules do have phantom power! Which can lead to 
SpHEAR Franken-Microphones like the one in the attached picture[*] :-) 
That was the first prototype, works fine (too bad the H2N does not store 
four channel recordings in "native" format, makes things more 
difficult). One hole on one the side and the right connectors and you 
are in (and a lot of work, mind you). I have yet to finish assembling 
the second. Only so many hours in a day (24, last time I checked, too few).


-- Fernando

[*] part of the SpHEAR project:
https://cm-gitlab.stanford.edu/ambisonics/SpHEAR/



On 9 April 2018 at 21:43, David Pickett  wrote:


At 22:36 09-04-18, Augustine Leudar wrote:

PS thats with the onboard capsules though - the AD converter is a mini

jack

in and terrible quality.


Why is this? It is counter-intuitive. I mean, the actual input level and
impedance may be non-standard and need some accommodation, but having taken
care of that, why should the quality be worse than using the microphione
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Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

[Oddity Medium]

As I grok it, the Brahmas are significantly more expensive (3-4 times), and
only output A-format. The Brahmas do perform FOA with-height. The Zoom H2N
outputs WAV which is then massaged into pantophonic B-Format... correct?

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 11:28 PM, Augustine Leudar  wrote:

> No you're not missing anything . You could use external mics with several
> zoom H2s and do some surround stuff - but I digress. Read Endas reviews in
> the link I posted - its probably the most in depth review of the Zoom H2N
> for ambisonics you're likely to find. There is also Umashankars mod for the
> zoom H2N which might interest you :
>
> https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1569945514/brahma-
> affordable-ambisonics-microphone
>
> Im not sure if he's still doing it
>
> On 9 April 2018 at 22:06, Oddity Medium  wrote:
>
> > why would you use external mics for ambisonics if the h2n already does it
> > (with the new firmware) ?
> > because of better quality mics? or am i missing something?
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Augustine Leudar <
> > augustineleu...@gmail.com
> > > wrote:
> >
> > > I also think there was some signal to noise ratio issues with the mini
> > jack
> > > in especially for wildlife recordings - whereas the signal to noise
> ratio
> > > was lower with the onboard capsules. BTW this isnt the Zoom h4 with the
> > > mics on the side its the one with them in the top :
> > >
> > > https://www.zoom-na.com/products/field-video-
> recording/field-recording/
> > > zoom-h2n-handy-recorder
> > >
> > > The Zoom h4 has XLR ins and is by all accounts a better choice for
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[Augustine Leudar]

No you're not missing anything . You could use external mics with several
zoom H2s and do some surround stuff - but I digress. Read Endas reviews in
the link I posted - its probably the most in depth review of the Zoom H2N
for ambisonics you're likely to find. There is also Umashankars mod for the
zoom H2N which might interest you :

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1569945514/brahma-affordable-ambisonics-microphone

Im not sure if he's still doing it

On 9 April 2018 at 22:06, Oddity Medium  wrote:

> why would you use external mics for ambisonics if the h2n already does it
> (with the new firmware) ?
> because of better quality mics? or am i missing something?
>
> On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Augustine Leudar <
> augustineleu...@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>
> > I also think there was some signal to noise ratio issues with the mini
> jack
> > in especially for wildlife recordings - whereas the signal to noise ratio
> > was lower with the onboard capsules. BTW this isnt the Zoom h4 with the
> > mics on the side its the one with them in the top :
> >
> > https://www.zoom-na.com/products/field-video-recording/field-recording/
> > zoom-h2n-handy-recorder
> >
> > The Zoom h4 has XLR ins and is by all accounts a better choice for
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[Augustine Leudar]

Heres a review of the predessesor the H2 :

As a low cost standalone field recorder/microphone combination the H2 is
> interesting. However, its limitations means it cannot really be recommended
> for wildife sound recording due to the limited gain and high noise level on
> the external microphone input .
> Either the internal mic capsules are unusually sensitive, or the signal
> path for these capsules is different to the external mic input.


https://www.wildlife-sound.org/resources/equipment/12-resources/equipment/70-zoom-h2

I think the H2N has improved a little bit - but Im not sure how much.


On 9 April 2018 at 21:57, Augustine Leudar 
wrote:

> I also think there was some signal to noise ratio issues with the mini
> jack in especially for wildlife recordings - whereas the signal to noise
> ratio was lower with the onboard capsules. BTW this isnt the Zoom h4 with
> the mics on the side its the one with them in the top :
>
> https://www.zoom-na.com/products/field-video-recording/field-recording/
> zoom-h2n-handy-recorder
>
> The Zoom h4 has XLR ins and is by all accounts a better choice for
> external mics.
>
>
>
>


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[Oddity Medium]

why would you use external mics for ambisonics if the h2n already does it
(with the new firmware) ?
because of better quality mics? or am i missing something?

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 10:57 PM, Augustine Leudar  wrote:

> I also think there was some signal to noise ratio issues with the mini jack
> in especially for wildlife recordings - whereas the signal to noise ratio
> was lower with the onboard capsules. BTW this isnt the Zoom h4 with the
> mics on the side its the one with them in the top :
>
> https://www.zoom-na.com/products/field-video-recording/field-recording/
> zoom-h2n-handy-recorder
>
> The Zoom h4 has XLR ins and is by all accounts a better choice for external
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[Augustine Leudar]

I also think there was some signal to noise ratio issues with the mini jack
in especially for wildlife recordings - whereas the signal to noise ratio
was lower with the onboard capsules. BTW this isnt the Zoom h4 with the
mics on the side its the one with them in the top :

https://www.zoom-na.com/products/field-video-recording/field-recording/zoom-h2n-handy-recorder

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[Augustine Leudar]

My guess would be the AD converters are not great - DA converters are
generally flat as a pankake these days but AD converters are not always on
cheaper stuff. I tried it with various different microphones and was never
happy - several other sI know found the same. Of course they dont have
phantom power either ...

On 9 April 2018 at 21:43, David Pickett  wrote:

> At 22:36 09-04-18, Augustine Leudar wrote:
> >PS thats with the onboard capsules though - the AD converter is a mini
> jack
> >in and terrible quality.
>
> Why is this? It is counter-intuitive. I mean, the actual input level and
> impedance may be non-standard and need some accommodation, but having taken
> care of that, why should the quality be worse than using the microphione
> mounted on the side?
>
> David
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[David Pickett]

At 22:36 09-04-18, Augustine Leudar wrote:
>PS thats with the onboard capsules though - the AD converter is a mini jack
>in and terrible quality.

Why is this? It is counter-intuitive. I mean, the actual input level 
and impedance may be non-standard and need some accommodation, but 
having taken care of that, why should the quality be worse than using 
the microphione mounted on the side?


David

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[Augustine Leudar]

This is probably worth a look :

https://endabates.wordpress.com/2017/06/

On 9 April 2018 at 21:36, Augustine Leudar 
wrote:

> PS thats with the onboard capsules though - the AD converter is a mini
> jack in and terrible quality.
>
> On 9 April 2018 at 21:35, Augustine Leudar 
> wrote:
>
>> They're actually pretty good - not so much bass . I remember running an
>> installation in a Botanic Garden and a visiting professor, dear man but
>> terrible microphone snob said to me "The sound quality is amazing - which
>> microphone did you use ?" - the look of horror that passed ove rhis face
>> when I told him it was a Zoom H2n was priceless :)
>>
>> On 9 April 2018 at 20:22, Oddity Medium  wrote:
>>
>>> Pros and cons of doing ambisonics with H2N? Has anyone of you tried?
>>>
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[Augustine Leudar]

PS thats with the onboard capsules though - the AD converter is a mini jack
in and terrible quality.

On 9 April 2018 at 21:35, Augustine Leudar 
wrote:

> They're actually pretty good - not so much bass . I remember running an
> installation in a Botanic Garden and a visiting professor, dear man but
> terrible microphone snob said to me "The sound quality is amazing - which
> microphone did you use ?" - the look of horror that passed ove rhis face
> when I told him it was a Zoom H2n was priceless :)
>
> On 9 April 2018 at 20:22, Oddity Medium  wrote:
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>> Pros and cons of doing ambisonics with H2N? Has anyone of you tried?
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>> I can thikn of one pro - its cheap :=D
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Re: [Sursound] ***UNCHECKED*** Zoom H2N - thoughts?

[Augustine Leudar]

They're actually pretty good - not so much bass . I remember running an
installation in a Botanic Garden and a visiting professor, dear man but
terrible microphone snob said to me "The sound quality is amazing - which
microphone did you use ?" - the look of horror that passed ove rhis face
when I told him it was a Zoom H2n was priceless :)

On 9 April 2018 at 20:22, Oddity Medium  wrote:

> Pros and cons of doing ambisonics with H2N? Has anyone of you tried?
>
> I can thikn of one pro - its cheap :=D
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