Re: [biofuel] Re: Fuel-less engine .
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@egroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 8:18 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Fuel-less engine . : Compressed air is like hydrogen in some regards. It's an energy : carrier, that requires a greater amount of energy to fill : the bucket then you get emptying the bucket. But, the hydrogen is a fuel itself and wouldn't that make it unlike compressed air? I agree compressed air is stored energy and any engine powered by compressed air shouldn't be called fueless because, most likely some fuel was consumed to compress the air. Doug Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] refuge
Stephan, I'm a bit curious at what depths where finding fresh water with the fracturing operations? Thanks-Doug Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Re: Fuel-less engine .
Tell more about your booster? Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Yep, That's why I mention the problem below. In order for the cylinders to compress the air to go back to the tank at a good rate and maintain the proper speeds, the motor would have to turn around 2000 rpms. I don't know about the future, if any for an air car. But I have used a combination of gasoline, oxygen and hydrogen lately and man does it make a car scream. When I accelerate it feels like someone hit me from the rear end. And with a 1.5 liter engine! I got 16% higher gas mileage while only producing just a small amount of oxygen and hydrogen in my booster. I have no problem with hydrogen, whatsoever... Sam --- In biofuel@egroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Compressed air is like hydrogen in some regards. It's an energy carrier, that requires a greater amount of energy to fill the bucket then you get emptying the bucket. --- In biofuel@egroups.com, Sam Dabbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In biofuel@egroups.com, Derek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you doing research in perpetual motion? The engine must need some type of fuel?? Unless it is using a fluid as working fluid instead of a fuel. I've heard of this type of thing being researched lately. I've also heard some discussion of an air motor that uses compressed air and makes up the air that it uses in the process. Would this be considered a fuel less engine? As in the working fluid design, nothing is expelled from the vehicle as an exhaust. It was made on a conventional ICU with all the regular fuel stuff stripped off of it. The problem with this is that it only seems to work well at cruising speeds and around 2000 rpm. Intown driving would deplete the air supply so it is told by the inventor. There have been some suggestions made to him regarding this problem and it may be overcome shortly. If any of this is true that is. This IS the internet you know!!! Sam P.S. The inventor of the air car that I mentioned did it all by funding the project by himself at a total of $7,000 of his own hard earned. Frankly, if this is true, I would be more impressed by this than someone going to a message board to aquire funds. IMHO :) Derek - Original Message - From: S.Jayakumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@egroups.com Sent: Friday, December 29, 2000 4:37 PM Subject: [biofuel] Fuel-less engine . I am a post - graduate in Biology , I am Dear all , doing research in different fields . I have conceived an idea to develop an engine which can be operated without fuel . I hope I can develop a complete working model of a fuel-less engine within 6 months , for continuing my fruitful research work I need funds or loans . I will be able to return the loan within one year , kindly guide me where can I find loan for continuing my research project . Thanks Regards , S . Jayakumar . Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Internal-combustion vehicles continue to dominate roads
http://www.earthtimes.org:80/dec/developmentinternaldec12_00.htm Internal-combustion vehicles continue to dominate roads By PAUL HOFMANN © Earth Times News Service ROME--Since the beginning of this year sixty million new cars, trucks, motorcycles and scooters have been added to the world population of internal-combustion vehicles; it will reach the one billion mark before long. Many superannuated clunkers have of course been driven or towed to the wreckers, but others have been resold and will keep fouling the air for years to come. The time is near when one out of every six inhabitants of the planet, maybe even of every five, will be motorized. And most of us will have to adapt to life in traffic jams. They are no longer the dubious distinction of Los Angeles or the Long Island Expressway. Mexico City, Sa Paulo, Bangkok, Teheran, Cairo and many other places around the globe are frightfully congested too. Anyone who is driven in a cab to an airport in some parts of the developing world must factor in an extra hour or two to be sure not to miss the flight. Economic development means, among other things, that a lot people move to a major city, hoping to achieve there an easier existence than working the land, increase the family income--and eventually buy a car. The number of urban residents is growing, even multiplying, almost everywhere. Big centers spawn new suburbs whose residents need cars for commuting if there is no satisfactory public transport (which requires heavy investments). Additional highways have to be built; but experience teaches that new roads create new traffic and, pretty soon, new traffic jams. The world's love affair with the automobile nevertheless is not likely to pall in the foreseeable future; rather, there will be more and more two and multi-car families. Meanwhile, a broadening share of commercial traffic rolls on rubber wheels instead of on railroad tracks. Tedious gridlocks, road rage, air and noise pollution seem inescapable in many metropolitan areas. Parking problems are as enduring a feature of urban life as horse manure in the streets was in past centuries. And the world will remain dependent on oil until the wells run dry and it is forced at last to switch to alternative energy sources. Already new technologies are available, but it will take time for them to make economic sense -- and the traffic snarls may not disappear even then. The acute age has produced a new profession combining statistics, geography, politics, psychology, social science, and, let's hope, common sense--traffic planning. Some of its practitioners confess that their computer models are, infuriatingly, belied by what actually happens on the road. Toll highways and priced streets, one-way signs, construction of subways and surface rail systems, skytrains, parking meters and stiff fines for traffic offenders are in the planners' arsenal. Yet traffic jams threaten to get worse. One way to avoid them is telecommuting. You stay at home, trade shares and bonds, buy and sell merchandise, receive or dispense medical advice , attend or conduct classes-- all by computer and Internet. You may miss the daily socializing at the water cooler in the office or the after-work happy hour at the corner bar, but you have the chatline for relaxation. Or we just must learn to live with being stalled for hours in stop-go (or mostly stop) traffic. Wireless devices permit us to use the car as a mobile and temporarily immobile work station. Police vehicles, ambulances, and fire trucks, despite their sirens and flashing lights, will get stuck like other road users. Car chases, a beloved ingredient of crime films and TV serials, will look as anachronistic as does sword play on the screen. The cops and other emergency personnel will have to go three- dimensional by helicopter much more often than they do already. There are also physiological needs to be considered: we'll have to stock our vehicles with some food and drinks, and the automotive industry will have to design in-car toilets. Copyright © 2000 The Earth Times Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] rice and energy
Interesting. I figure that the one million hectares of set-aside land in Japan, if planted with rice as an energy crop, could produce 557,000 tons / 662 million litres of biodiesel (plus seedcake plus 139,000 tons of glycerine) OR 398 million gallons of ethanol (plus high-value distillers grains as livestock feed plus saleable CO2). In either case the seedcake/distillers grains would substitute for imported corn livestock feed. (Better than the 28,000 tons of Starlink found here recently!) On the other hand, if the by-products were composted and re-applied to the land (along with the rice straw) there'd be no need for subsequent-crop fertilisers (as well as reduced pesticide use). If you got into ducks for weed-control, plus duckweed and azolla to provide nutrients for both, it gets very interesting. Ill-considered assessments of biofuels potential here (and elsewhere) only see a tiny part of the picture. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Re: Vegetable oil yields
Andrew Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Vegetable oil yields (approx.) : Biodiesel yield = oil yield x 0.8 approx. : Crop - kg/ha - litre/ha - lb/acre - USgal/acre : : soybean - 375 - 446 - 335 - 48 : rapeseed - 1000 - 1190 - 893 - 127 : So, if I read this right, you can grow 1000kg of rapeseed on 1 ha of land and then you can get 1190 litres from this 1000kg of rape seed?? I know that rape oil weighs less than 1kg per litre but when you add in the rape meal left over it doesn't seem to all add up! Hi Andrew No, you're reading it wrong - it's 1000 kg of oil, not of seed: 1000 kg of oil, 1190 litres of oil. It's not totally accurate, I've used a benchmark figure for the weights of oils, though they don't all weigh the same. But these are just approximations and can't be anything else, when you consider how greatly crop yields can vary. They're most useful as comparative figures between crops. Did you figure you'd only get 145 kg of corn from a hectare? :-) Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Re: Vegetable oil yields
Each crop has its advantages and disadvantages. If you're not an agribusiness or a national economy, you have a family-sized farm and you want to grow your own energy, there are a large number of options available to you no matter where you are. Each area is different, each farm is different, each farmer is different. Okay, you're not about to grow avocadoes or oil palms in Alaska, but nonetheless, your choice will be much wider than the few crops grown by most big farms might indicate. These USDA figures are measuring something else, but they indicate what's possible if you follow your own path on your own land: Average amount of revenue per acre generated by a U.S. farm of fewer than ten acres: $1,902.50. Average revenue per acre generated by a farm of more than 2,000 acres: $21.40. Similarly, gardeners' yields are far higher than farmers' yields. A small farmer can do much better than the average yields indicated in the table. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ Hi, To hazard guesses, there may be several. Could be than the bean is the better all around crop when oil production is excluded, I'm don't farm and I don't know. Is more land better suited to growing the bean as compared to rapeseed, again I don't know. From what I have observed in my part of the world, if oil is the goal, the sunflower would seem to be the choice over soybeans in dryland farming. Doug - Original Message - From: John Harris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@egroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 8:52 AM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Vegetable oil yields : : Vegetable oil yields (approx.) : Biodiesel yield = oil yield x 0.8 approx. : Crop - kg/ha - litre/ha - lb/acre - USgal/acre : : soybean - 375 - 446 - 335 - 48 : rapeseed - 1000 - 1190 - 893 - 127 : : Can anybody explain why soybean is the crop of choice in the US when the : yeild : of canola is so much higher. : : Thanks : John Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Re: Rat City
i have no doubt that rat would make a good nutritional supplement, i suppose it would have to be renamed, like marmot. Rat Marmite? (Or is that an English joke? - you guys in the colonies ever heard of Marmite?) (Did I just hear 23 Australians say Vegemite?) Anyway, I'm not so sure. They're omnivores, their diet's a bit too all-inclusive. The omnivores and carnivores people eat are usually raised on non-meat diets (eg Cantonese dogs, and the Thai rats are veggies). That aside, you're right, and not just a supplement. Farley Mowatt discovered in northern Canada that the wolves he was studying, far from wiping out the caribou herds as alleged, had a summer diet of grass rats, or something like rats. To prove it was possible he went on the same diet himself, catching his share of rats every day and eating them. He couldn't take the idea of eating the bones and skins though, as the wolves did (they just gobbled them down whole), but he stayed well-fed and healthy just the same. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: that's not rat, that's NYC Chicken ;-) --- In biofuel@egroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 50cents for every rat pelt brought in would get a lot of homeless involved. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Re: Fuel-less engine .
hydrogen is not a fuel in that it is not found free in nature, but must be liberated by a larger amount of another fuel. It's a net loss. --- In biofuel@egroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@egroups.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2001 8:18 PM Subject: [biofuel] Re: Fuel-less engine . : Compressed air is like hydrogen in some regards. It's an energy : carrier, that requires a greater amount of energy to fill : the bucket then you get emptying the bucket. But, the hydrogen is a fuel itself and wouldn't that make it unlike compressed air? I agree compressed air is stored energy and any engine powered by compressed air shouldn't be called fueless because, most likely some fuel was consumed to compress the air. Doug Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: Rat City
maybe they could sell them at a slight loss to a warehouser that would do the skinning, like for 40c. Keith Addison wrote: Yo Tek Wouldn't want to endanger your chickens by stealing their lunch to make BD! Seriously, you can buy roast rat at restaurants in Bangkok. Different rat though, not those grey sewer jobs, brown bushrats mostly that have invaded the cities. We were infested with them at the Beach House in Hong Kong, quite cute, nice animals, not at all disgusting. Came down from the adjoining mountain. Trouble was they were taking over, and apart from their staple diet of fruit and veggies they also had a taste for electrical wiring. I lost patience when they ate our washing machine. I killed maybe 80 of them after that. We didn't get round to eating any though. :-) Then there's the roast dog at the restaurants in Shenzhen... Naah, another time. Rat pelts, skaar? You mean they'd have to skin them? Might be a bit of a disincentive. Best Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ that's not rat, that's NYC Chicken ;-) --- In biofuel@egroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 50cents for every rat pelt brought in would get a lot of homeless involved. Keith Addison wrote: Check out the last two paragraphs below. Keith Addison Journey to Forever Handmade Projects Tokyo http://journeytoforever.org/ November 29, 2000 New York City Ponders Rat Problem A.P. INDEXES: TOP STORIES | NEWS | SPORTS | BUSINESS | TECHNOLOGY | ENTERTAINMENT By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 5:30 p.m. ET NEW YORK (AP) -- Some big cheeses held a summit Wednesday at Columbia University on how to get rid of the rats that seem to be overrunning New York City. ``Twenty years ago this city had a concerted effort to fight rats,'' rat expert Randy Dupree said somewhat wistfully. ``That stopped, and now we've seen a burgeoning of the rodent population. What we need is everyone to join in on a war on rats.'' About 250 rat-weary citizens turned out for the Rat Summit, at which academics, health officials, politicians and bureaucrats focused on Public Enemy No. 1 -- Rattus norvegicus, commonly known as the Norwegian rat. ``Rat rage'' appears to be on the rise in New York. At a recent rally on the steps of City Hall, demonstrators chanted such slogans as, ``One rat, two rat, three rats, four, everywhere I look there's more and more.'' The city now has two official rat hot lines and a new City Council committee that focuses specifically on vermin, and Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani has designated an official as the city's ``rat czar.'' ``We make unprecedented efforts to kill rats,'' Giuliani said. ``We kill more of them than any place else. We probably lead the country in rat killing.'' City Councilman Bill Perkins proposed banning the city's wire-mesh trash receptacles because they make it easy for rats to get to the garbage. Deputy Mayor Joseph Lhota, the rat czar, urged everyone to be more sanitary. Bruce Colvin, who works as a consultant on rats, said estimates of 8 million rats in the city are almost certainly exaggerated, as are tales about about foot-long monsters roaming the sewers and coming out at night to feed on stray cats and lost puppies. To control rats, Colvin insisted, New York should not focus on killing rodents by placing packets of poison in abandoned lots and on subway tracks, but should instead concentrate on eliminating the animals' food, particularly grease from restaurants. ``For rats, grease is a high-protein food source,'' he said. ``It allows them to kick up their sex drive. You know the rest.'' eGroups Sponsor [Corbis - The Place for Pictures Online] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] webconx online?
As I sit here waiting for dns to update, would anyone like to try http://24.188.229.66 for me? let me know if all is well? Steve Spence Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] webconx online?
All the links work on this page Welcome: To The NEW WebConX Tee At 06:16 PM 01/05/2001 +, you wrote: As I sit here waiting for dns to update, would anyone like to try http://24.188.229.66 for me? let me know if all is well? Steve Spence Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] rats and such
Everyone talking about eating the buggers, but did anyone of you ever see the program put out on AE a couple of years ago where Micky Dee's was raising large rats on plantations in Guatamala for human consumption? The rodents in question were not sewer rats by any means, but even if it was possible to grow a thirty pound rat in six to eight weeks, I am not sure I am interested in experimenting with the delicacy. Als did anyone ever read the book King Rat based on true stories about rat eating during the second world war in the Pacific. Just food for thought, if you know what I mean. gaaw Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Hydrogen Booster
First, sorry for the long post. There is really no other way to explain this. I had a number of requests to elaborate on the hydroboost that I mentioned in the earlier post (Re:fuel-less engine) and I decided to put the info up here instead of emailing the individuals. Hydroboost is nothing that new or anything, I don't think. At least a dozen or so folks that I know are trying it out. It is public domain information and can be built, sold or whatever without any problems. I have a few other gadgets of my own that I'm not discussing due to the possiblility of future patents and business opportunities that may arise. According to my friend at the patent office in Washington, D.C. any idea posted on the net is considered public domain and can be shot down by someone presenting the info and contesting the patent. There are a number of companies selling the hydroboost at the present and all they are doing is putting the packages together in a fancy-shmancy manner to throw off how simplistic the design actually is. So, with that being said, here is the gist of it. It produces oxygen and hydrogen by using a container, such as pvc pipe material in my case, with electrodes emmersed in an electrolyte with 12 volts going to the electrodes. Not much different than that of the battery in your car which also produces hydrogen of course. That's why you don't want any sparks around the battery or BOOM!! Anyway, I made two units out of 2 1/2 pvc pipe (as opposed to one 4 as some use)with a test cap glued on the bottom and a cleanout glued on the top of both. A pipe cap is used on the top and also holds the electrodes. A fitting is put into the square on the top of the cap. I used vaccum line coming from the fittings of both units and used a tee to put the output of the boosters together and then went with line to a bubbler (doubler in moonshiner lingo) to act as a filter made out of a 20 oz pepsi-cola bottle. (high tech, HUH!!) Don't laugh, it works like a charm. Then out of the bottle with another line an into the breather to a fitting located directly above the carburetor throat. Some folks use a pump to pump the oxygen/hydrogen into the breather, but to me that is a waste of time and trouble. The vaccum at carb is more than sufficient to pull everything out and into the motor. The bubbler I mention is filled halfway with distilled water. I don't know anybody else doing that, but it serves a dual purpose for me. I can make sure nothing but the gases that I want go to the engine and the bubbler is fun and exciting to watch while it is chuging away. You can see how your reaction is going without having to uncap and take a peek. Now, different things have been experimented with in regards to electrode material, amperage (spacing of the electrodes determines this) and electrolytes. So far the best electrode material has been stainless steel. Stainless steel butter knives to be exact. These will have less corrosion. Corrosion of electrodes was the first thing noticed with other metals such as galvanized steel, aluminum and brass. The butter knives are drilled at the end of the blade and then bent to a 90 degree L shape to be fitted by a screw and nut through the pipe cap. The wires (positive and negative) are attached to these screws on the top of the cap as well. I found an plug at the firewall that had an extra connection that nothing else was hooked to and came off and on with the ignition and used this going to a 5 amp fuse and then to the positive electrode and found somewhere to hook the negative wire to ground to complete the circuit. Battery drain on the charging system was a problem at first. Then I tried a solar battery maintainer which helped and then ultimately went to a separate dedicated altenator with a built in voltage regulator of course. Then to its own small motorcycle battery and to the boost. Solved that problem. Amperage is maintained by the electrode spacing which was determined by trials using a bench tester. The bench tester was simply a 12 volt source like a charger (older type only) and two wires going to the two electrodes in a beaker. The amperage was measured and by trial and error it was found that 4 amps is what you want for the hydrobooster. This bench tester is also a very good way to test electrolyte solutions and their reactions. See the bubbles... rise bubbles rise... strike a lighter above the beaker BM No flame, just a very loud, quick bang! I also put a amp gauge inline and inside the car to monitor while driving. As for electrolytes, many were tried. All using distilled water and a little of this or that. I tried... Hydrogen Peroxide Sulfuric Acid Salt Ammonia Caustic Soda and so on... But the best so far was baking soda and distilled water. You check the unit every few days or so. All you do is add water nothing else. If corrosion exists after about a month or so (mostly due to
[biofuel] The Market Flaw California Overlooked
Good but slightly off topic article. http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/02/opinion/02STOF.html -- Aviation is more than a hobby. It is more than a job. It is more than a career. Aviation is a way of life. A second language for the world: www.esperanto.org Processor cycles are a terrible thing to waste. www.distributed.net Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: Rat City
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@egroups.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 12:11 PM Subject: Re: [biofuel] Re: Rat City : maybe they could sell them at a slight loss to a warehouser that would : do the skinning, like for 40c. To continue off topic, why bother to skin at all? Unless you DO plan to use for hamburger helper, it's a wasted effort. At one point in time, it was only necessary to bring in the ears of the coyote to receive the bounty.-DY Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Re: Biodiesel - no catalyst
Another possible method of breaking the bonds would be cavitation. I have a low-power ultrasonic cell disrupter which isn't working now. I'm not sure it has enough power anyway (150w). Does anyone have access to a more powerful ultrasonic unit, say 400 - 500 watts? It would be interesting to apply such power to a small sample of vegetable oil and methanol (or ethanol), without catalyst, and examine the results. Even if this produced no reaction, introduction of an acid catalyst should. Any biochemists out there? Ultrasound isn't the only method of developing cavitation bubbles. See http://www.iscre.org/n1session_multiphase.htm and find Abstract #7. The title block is a little mucked, but the reading is interesting. There isn't much free on the web concerning sonocatalysis, but here's a general article for those generally interested. http://www.scs.uiuc.edu/~suslick/pdf/philtrans99335.pdf --- In biofuel@egroups.com, manuel cilia [EMAIL PROTECTED] (by way of Keith Addison) wrote: Hello my name is Manuel cilia form Sydney Australia. I am wondering if any one has looked into the possibility of breaking down used cooking oil into a lighter oil (such as biodeisel) by using high output ultraviolet light. Since the whole aim of transesterification is to break down the heavier oil molecule into smaller light ones, if we could break down the molecules using uv light(which happens in nature but at a slower rate), the cost of producing biodeisel and any byproducts would be greatly reduced. If this idea has any worth could you please let me know thank you Manuel Cilia This idea if it works would greatly simplify the whole process. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Hydrogen Booster
My Dad is a elementary school teacher.. sometimes called a small room specialist because he teaches in small private schools all grades, all subjects. What you describe is similar to a science class he teaches to his 6th, 7th, and 8th graders. He would take a container of water and two large empty test tubes. The test tubes would be turned upside down, filled with, and placed in the water.. Electrodes were usually carbon rods from the insides of batteries. A copper wire was secured to the end of each electrode. The exposed copper sealed with some kind of grease. Each electrode was then placed inside one of the test tubes. Usually he used a model train transformer for power. then usually the next day we would come back and the test tubes would be full of air instead of water. Of course one tube really had hydrogen and the other Oxygen which would of course then be tested for with fire.. the hydrogen tube popping loudly about 3 times and sometimes actually showing a little water condensation on the inside of the test tube. The Oxygen tube would be used to relight a candle that had been blown out or maybe a match. I thought that was the coolest thing, and did some experiments on my own using a couple of car batteries and some aluminum. I found that I could cut aluminum under water. The side effect of the arcing under water produces masses of hydrogen! Absolutely TONS of it in comparison to straight electrolysis alone. I also discovered that for straight electrolysis, surface area is everything. If you want more hydrogen and oxygen then increase your surface area. This of course is going to increase the amperage needed for that electrolysis... I had come up with a way to do this in mass quantities but I ran into a little side problem. Water it seems does not conduct electricity all that well, so close proximation of the electrodes really helps.. So I placed them really close together but then discovered that the resulting bubbles effectively decreased the surface area dramatically diminishing the effect. I had come up with some solutions to that problem but never really got around to trying them out.. Too busy making a living I guess to feed my kids.. Anyway later I discovered that using aluminum was nothing new, as it has been done before. Check the web, the info is out there somewhere. Personally I didn't like the idea of using aluminum as a fuel or actually as a catalyst. I never tried to apply it to a actual running car engine because I figured the amount made would be so little compared to the 300 to 500 cubic feet per minute normally consumed by an engine that it would not make any difference. However I guess cubic feet consumed idling may be allot less and when you consider that 70% of that is nitrogen then I guess you might see a little effect. turning back into water on combustion might create an interesting side effect inside the HOT cylinder. Little water injection there already heated up and vaporized ready for a little more heat to turn into steam. Interesting.. guess I may have to go into doing some more experiments and see what I can come up with.. Might work really well in a small engine used to power a hybrid that I plan to build. Thanks for the info and hope I haven't been to long winded for you folks.. Have a good weekend. Sincerely, Bryan Fullerton - Original Message - From: Sam Dabbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@egroups.com Sent: Friday, January 05, 2001 5:56 PM Subject: [biofuel] Hydrogen Booster First, sorry for the long post. There is really no other way to explain this. I had a number of requests to elaborate on the hydroboost that I mentioned in the earlier post (Re:fuel-less engine) and I decided to put the info up here instead of emailing the individuals. Hydroboost is nothing that new or anything, I don't think. At least a dozen or so folks that I know are trying it out. It is public domain information and can be built, sold or whatever without any problems. I have a few other gadgets of my own that I'm not discussing due to the possiblility of future patents and business opportunities that may arise. According to my friend at the patent office in Washington, D.C. any idea posted on the net is considered public domain and can be shot down by someone presenting the info and contesting the patent. There are a number of companies selling the hydroboost at the present and all they are doing is putting the packages together in a fancy-shmancy manner to throw off how simplistic the design actually is. So, with that being said, here is the gist of it. It produces oxygen and hydrogen by using a container, such as pvc pipe material in my case, with electrodes emmersed in an electrolyte with 12 volts going to the electrodes. Not much different than that of the battery in your car which also produces hydrogen of course. That's why you don't want any sparks around the battery or BOOM!! Anyway, I made two units out of 2 1/2 pvc
[biofuel] Re: Hydrogen Booster
Comments below:*** --- In biofuel@egroups.com, Bryan Fullerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess you might see a little effect. turning back into water on combustion might create an interesting side effect inside the HOT cylinder. Little water injection there already heated up and vaporized ready for a little more heat to turn into steam. ***Exactly as I have thought as well about the water condensing at combustion. It doesn't really take a big reaction or large amount of hydrogen/oxygen produced to make a good effect. The change in runability on just a small amount is more than noticeable. So what I'm producing is not a fuel. That's OK by me. I just know it works for me. I think that combustion happens longer maybe. Sorta slamming down the pistons on the power stroke somewhat more. Also I noticed a difference in the exhaust smell. It smelled cleaner and had almost a natural gas smell to it. (I know they put something in natural gas to give it the smell) Anyway, that is what I can compare it to. I'm sure it helped out emissions. Another side point I'd like to make is that this booster is also good for diagnosing fuel problems in autos. One of my 8 vehicles had something going on with it and had severe runability problems. Otherwise it was in great shape. This particular car was given to me because the previous owner got fed up with it. I put the boost on it and it perked up. I knew the carb was screwed. It was one of those feedback carbs where the fuel enrichment solenoid had gone out and that particular part isn't in a rebuild kit. You can't even buy the thing in a auto store or a dealer. I then invested in a carburetor (all the money I've spent on the thing). I found one someone who bought one new and then wrecked his car before he could install it. I paid $180 for it. Now that car is my daily driver and getting 36 mpg thanks to the boost-0-matic. In Don Lancaster's Tech Musings, in October '98 he wrote, A modest hydrogen injection might improve the performance stats of an otherwise stock gasoline engine. It sounds like he's never tried it, cause I have and know for a fact the it does just that. It's a very inexpensive result of a science lesson and the application of it in everyday use. This spring I'm going to make a booster out of a 12 volt large motorcylce battey using the baking soda and distilled water and fittings in the caps to supply each cylinder of a 1977 Chevy Malibu 230 V-6 I got with its own cell from the 6 battey cells. Last summer I took the intake off to change the lifters and drilled and tapped each intake runner close to the heads and installed fittings so that I can try out injections of many kinds. I got them capped off now to get a benchmark mileage test so see where I'm going when I resume my experiments with it. Sam *** Interesting.. guess I may have to go into doing some more experiments and see what I can come up with.. Might work really well in a small engine used to power a hybrid that I plan to build. ***That's exactly what I was going to do this summer as well. Are you reading my mind? I got a nice machine shop and all the components that I need to build it. I'm just waiting for the warm weather! Have you ever seen Briggs Strattons hybrid car that they built years ago? Not many folks have. It is what I'm going to base my project on. Sam *** Thanks for the info and hope I haven't been to long winded for you folks.. Have a good weekend. Sincerely, Bryan Fullerton Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] webconx online?
it looks rather nice but it's opening new windows with every click, i'm always running low on resources these days so less windows is better, until i set this machine up as a permanent server and get a second system for playing on. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As I sit here waiting for dns to update, would anyone like to try http://24.188.229.66 for me? let me know if all is well? Steve Spence eGroups Sponsor [Click Here!] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] Re: Hydrogen Fuel
Have a look at www.layo.com/#cornish I havent tried this yet but at $1.00 for 400Km and BMW saying it works it looks kind of interesting regards John Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] rats and such
McDonald's best burgers were during the time when ground worms were reported to be a large portion of the meat, lot's of good proteins and very tasty, it's the only fast food additive that i wish would return. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Everyone talking about eating the buggers, but did anyone of you ever see the program put out on AE a couple of years ago where Micky Dee's was raising large rats on plantations in Guatamala for human consumption? The rodents in question were not sewer rats by any means, but even if it was possible to grow a thirty pound rat in six to eight weeks, I am not sure I am interested in experimenting with the delicacy. Als did anyone ever read the book King Rat based on true stories about rat eating during the second world war in the Pacific. Just food for thought, if you know what I mean. gaaw [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [biofuel] Re: Hydrogen Fuel
potential much. John Harris wrote: Have a look at www.layo.com/#cornish I havent tried this yet but at $1.00 for 400Km and BMW saying it works it looks kind of interesting regards John eGroups Sponsor Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[biofuel] hydrogen booster (cfr Digest Number 242)
Message: 20 Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 01:56:46 - From: Sam Dabbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hydrogen Booster snip ...Anyway, I made two units out of 2 1/2 pvc pipe (as opposed to one 4 as some use)with a test cap glued on the bottom and a cleanout glued on the top of both... pray sam, what are a 'test cap', and a 'cleanout' ? snip ...output of the boosters together and then went with line to a bubbler to act as a filter made out of a 20 oz pepsi-cola bottle.Then out of the bottle with another line an into the breather to a fitting located directly above the carburetor throat. Some folks use a pump to pump the oxygen/hydrogen into the breather, but to me that is a waste of time and trouble. The vacuum at carb is more than sufficient to pull everything out and into the motor. The bubbler I mention is filled halfway with distilled water. I don't know anybody else doing that, but it serves a dual purpose for me. I can make sure nothing but the gases that I want go to the engine and the bubbler is fun and exciting to watch while it is chugging away. You can see how your reaction is going without having to uncap and take a peek... q one: could the gases be run into a tee and input through the vacuum line inlet of the carburetor ? q two: mother earth news published info on a water/alcohol 'bubbler based on 'wet' micro bubbles originating in a fishtank air stone inside a bottle filled with water/alcohol (3:1 or so), and entering the carb via the vacuum line inlet tube. men claimed a 6% boost in mileage. could an air stone be used in the entry line of your 'bubler' to further increase efficiency ? q three: where would you place entry orifice in a fuel injected ice ? q four: any reason this wouldn't work on a diesel cycle ice ? snip ...So far the best electrode material has been stainless steel. Stainless steel butter knives to be exact. These will have less corrosion. Corrosion of electrodes was the first thing noticed with other metals such as galvanized steel, aluminum and brass q one: approximate surface area of the electrode in the electrolyte ? any idea what type ss alloy (18/8 - now 314 - maybe) ? width to length ratio of the electrode in the electrolyte ? q two: ever try carbon rods for electrodes, like brian fullerton's dad did in his school experiments ? (message 24 digest # 242) ? snip ...Battery drain on the charging system was a problem at first. Then I tried a solar battery maintainer which helped and then ultimately went to a separate dedicated alternator with a built in voltage regulator of course. Then to its own small motorcycle battery and to the boost. Solved that problem. q one: we're looking at a max of 50 watts continuous, right ? (4 a. x ~12 v.). did this put a strain on your factory installed alternator ? did you consider going to a bigger, heavy duty alternator, instead of the two alternator set-up you mention ? snip ...As for electrolytes, many were tried. All using distilled water and... But the best so far was baking soda and distilled water. q one: how much baking soda ? (weight per volume of distilled water) snip Message: 24 Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2001 22:44:30 -0800 From: Bryan Fullerton [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Hydrogen Booster snip ...and did some experiments on my own using a couple of car batteries and some aluminum. I found that I could cut aluminum under water. The side effect of the arcing under water produces masses of hydrogen! Absolutely TONS of it in comparison to straight electrolysis alone. q one: sounds very promising, how did you actually go about 'cutting' aluminum under water ? what sort of amps x volts were you using ? was this just water, or was it some sort of electrolyte ? snip ...Water it seems does not conduct electricity all that well, so close proximation of the electrodes really helps.. So I placed them really close together but then discovered that the resulting bubbles effectively decreased the surface area dramatically diminishing the effect... q one: did you try other electrolytes besides plain water ? any improvement ? regards to one and all, may the new 'round-the-sun' cycle bring a bit more peace to humanity. dick. Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html To unsubscribe, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
