Re: [Biofuel] briquette machine
Hi Kirk, briquettes and pellets from wood chips are ment to be from shavings and offcuts of regular production facilitys. I have since 2000 a briquttpress in my woodshop here in Quebec. At first the ministry of environment didnt allow me to heat my shop with briquettes! Oil was ok Pellets are a good source of heating,but for a woodshop not ideal because very sensytive about different shavings,you need allways the same shavings as per wood and sice of the shavings. Thats ok for big manufactures of woodenfloors,wich would have allways the same kind of shavings! All in all,a very good way of recycling wast. Not so for direct production of pellets and briquettes. The breaking down and drying of green wood takes to much energy and is therefor not the best solution! So the slogan: make your own biomass products is only good for woodshops of a certain size! Fritz www.boiseriestraditionnelles.ca -Original Message- From: Kirk McLoren Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 9:04 PM To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] briquette machine http://www.biogreentech.com/ make your own biomass products Nemo dat quod non habet From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, March 2, 2012 12:51 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Throwing Out the Free Market Playbook: An Interview with Naomi Klein http://www.thesolutionsjournal.com/node/1053 Volume 3 | Issue 1 | Feb 2012 Throwing Out the Free Market Playbook: An Interview with Naomi Klein Perhaps one of the most well-known voices for the Left, Canadian Naomi Klein is an activist and author of several nonfiction works critical of consumerism and corporate activity, including the best sellers No Logo (2000) and Shock Doctrine (2007). In your cover story for the Nation last year, you say that modern environmentalism successfully advances many of the causes dear to the political Left, including redistribution of wealth, higher and more progressive taxes, and greater government intervention and regulation. Please explain. The piece came out of my interest and my shock at the fact that belief in climate change in the United States has plummeted. If you really drill into the polling data, what you see is that the drop in belief in climate change is really concentrated on the right of the political spectrum. It's been an extraordinary and unusual shift in belief in a short time. In 2007, 71 percent of Americans believed in climate change and in 2009 only 51 percent believed-and now we're at 41 percent. So I started researching the denial movement and going to conferences and reading the books, and what's clear is that, on the right, climate change is seen as a threat to the Right's worldview, and to the neoliberal economic worldview. It's seen as a Marxist plot. They accuse climate scientists of being watermelons-green on the outside and red on the inside. It seems exaggerated, but your piece was about how the Right is in fact correct. I don't think climate change necessitates a social revolution. This idea is coming from the right-wing think tanks and not scientific organizations. They're ideological organizations. Their core reason for being is to defend what they call free-market ideology. They feel that any government intervention leads us to serfdom and brings about a socialist world, so that's what they have to fight off: a socialist world. Increase the power of the private sector and decrease the public sphere is their ideology. You can set up carbon markets, consumer markets, and just pretend, but if you want to get serious about climate change, really serious, in line with the science, and you want to meet targets like 80 percent emissions cuts by midcentury in the developed world, then you need to be intervening strongly in the economy, and you can't do it all with carbon markets and offsetting. You have to really seriously regulate corporations and invest in the public sector. And we need to build public transport systems and light rail and affordable housing along transit lines to lower emissions. The market is not going to step up to this challenge. We must do more: rebuild levees and bridges and the public sphere, because we saw in Katrina what happens when weak infrastructure clashes with heavy weather-it's catastrophe. These climate deniers aren't crazy-their worldview is under threat. If you take climate change seriously, you do have to throw out the free-market playbook. What is the political philosophy that underscores those who accept climate change versus those who deny it? The Yale cultural cognition project has looked at cultural worldview and climate change, and what's clear is that ideology is the main factor in whether we believe in climate change. If you have an egalitarian and communitarian worldview, and you tend toward a belief system of pooling resources and helping the less advantaged, then you believe in climate change. And the
Re: [Biofuel] Learn To Make Terror Your Friend
Hi Keith, here post I received from Greta Berlin (Irish-Gaza Friends) It seems to me this would fit well the topic Fritz HR bill 3131 is in committee according to this website http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=h112-3131 under the full text number 21. Our captain on the Free Gaza boat, the first boat into Gaza in 41 years, John Klusmire, is specifically named as violating Greek orders. But it's much more than that, as you can see below: To direct the Secretary of State to submit a report on whether any support organization that participated in the planning or execution of the recent Gaza flotilla attempt should be designated as a foreign terrorist organization and any actions taken by the Department of State to express gratitude to the government of Greece for preventing the Gaza flotilla from setting sail in contravention of Israel’s legal blockade of Gaza, and for other purposes. (21) Greek authorities boarded ships and took into custody several individuals, including Captain John Klusmire of the ship Audacity of Hope as it violated Greek Coast Guard orders by setting sail without permission. We are gathering names of those of us who will INSIST on putting our own names on this bill if our representatives do not remove John's. If you are an American citizen and you want your name added to this evil bill, please email me directly, and I will send the names on to the American contingent. The only way we can defeat something like this is if we are all willing to stand up for John and stand up for justice. Greta -Original Message- From: Keith Addison Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 2:10 PM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Learn To Make Terror Your Friend Hi Dawie Interesting, if a bit vulgar-libertarian towards the end. Yes, it's at the Lew Rockwell site, but I thought it was useful anyway. So it seems did Tom Feeley at ICH. But conspicuously absent is mention of the West's long-standing use of the military in general and wars in particular as sinks for inevitable surplus output. And though much may indeed be said about current electronics-based innovations it is very easy to lose sight of the fact that the manufacture of basic electronic hardware is more dependent on maintaining volume and, hence, dumping surplus than perhaps any manufacturing practice in history. I think it's also a sink for dumping surplus labour. If unemployment was calculated the way BLS did it in 1994 and earlier, it would be 22.4%. -- Unemployment Drop Masks Ongoing Decline 9 JANUARY 2012 http://usawatchdog.com/unemployment-drop-masks-ongoing-decline/?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=emailutm_campaign=Feed:+UsaWatchdog+(Greg+Hunter%E2%80%99s+USAWatchdog) The US poverty rate is higher than that. I wonder where the troops returning from Iraq are going to find jobs, and how they'll view Obama's glowing tribute when they don't. (I've yet to undertake an analysis of computing outside chip mills and the Future Machine. It is a daunting task for which I fear I lack the necessary technical detail.The theorists in the field tend to be technophiles who proceed from an unreasoned assumption of the simple thereness of the requisite hardware, without the need to manufacture it or to buy it: I would be wary of their assistance.) However, though war is a long-established way of creating economic demand out of thin air it is quite probable that the world is running out of the ability to respond to that demand as we speak. Something has to give. Indeed. Meanwhile, here's a fight to be savoured: Full-Blown Civil War Erupts On Wall Street - Financial Elite Start Turning On Each Other By David DeGraw - ampedstatus.org Wednesday, January 11, 2012 http://wakeup-world.com/2011/09/06/full-blown-civil-war-erupts-on-wall-street-financial-elite-start-turning-on-each-other/#comments All best Keith Regards Dawie Coetzee From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, 11 January 2012, 13:34 Subject: [Biofuel] Learn To Make Terror Your Friend http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article30185.htm Learn To Make Terror Your Friend By Doug Casey January 08, 2012 Lew Rockwell -- As you know, I think we're moving into an era of intense international conflict. And during the next ten years, you can plan your life around the US being in the middle of anything and everything that even vaguely resembles a war. It promises to be unpleasant, inconvenient and dangerous. This article - which is long, but not nearly long enough to cover the subject in as much detail as it deserves - explains why military conflicts are in store, what they're going to be like and what might be the morality of the matter. This last has some importance, because we're talking in good part about terror. And, to paraphrase Nietzsche, you may not be interested in terror, but terror is interested in you. A Matter Of Definition
Re: [Biofuel] Bill Gates's Nuclear Miracle?
Sometimes one have to think,the whole world is going mad with those nuke-issues! My self I am pretty convinced that a methane-digester would be much cheaper to produce and instead letting methane escape in to the atmosphere collecting it and produce electricity would be at least a part solution for the energie problem on hand! It works in Nepal on small scale why should this not work in big citys on a larger scale Stopping citys like Vancouver to dump theire wast in to the ocean should be a priority for everyone rghh! Fritz -Original Message- From: Keith Addison Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2011 9:31 AM To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bill Gates's Nuclear Miracle? :-) Well put. A Windoze nuke, aarghh!! These are by far and away the safest reactors ever designed. As long as they remain unbuilt, they will remain so. - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2011 8:12:08 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Bill Gates's Nuclear Miracle? Also: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/nov/09/miniature-nuclear-reactors-los-alamos Mini nuclear plants to power 20,000 homes £13m shed-size reactors will be delivered by lorry John Vidal and Nick Rosen The Observer, Sunday 9 November 2008 http://allafrica.com/stories/201009170031.html South African Govt Halts Pebble Bed Modular Reactor Project 16 September 2010 http://sites.google.com/site/rethinkingnuclearpower/aimhigh Aim High! Liquid Fluoride Thorium Reactor Hmph. --0-- http://www.xconomy.com/seattle/2010/03/23/bill-gates%E2%80%99s-nuclear-miracle-john-gilleland-says-terrapower-needs-discipline-not-divine-intervention/ Bill Gates's Nuclear Miracle? John Gilleland Says TerraPower Needs Discipline, Not Divine Intervention Gregory T. Huang 3/23/10 John Gilleland's first day on the job was a little different from most people's. The nuclear physicist showed up at Intellectual Ventures in Bellevue, WA, and sat down at the conference table with his new boss, CEO Nathan Myhrvold, and another, shall we say prominent, techie. The guy on my left looked familiar, Gilleland says. It was Bill Gates. Gilleland had been on the job for all of three minutes when Myhrvold said jokingly, John, you're late on your deliverables. That was back in December 2006. Gilleland is now CEO of TerraPower, the spinoff from Intellectual Ventures that is focused on creating a fundamentally new kind of nuclear reactor. It's the invention firm's biggest research project to date, spinning out as a separate entity in the fall of 2008 with 30-some staff and untold amounts of funding from Gates and other investors. It is a project that Intellectual Ventures likes to cite as a potentially transformative, homegrown invention. The basic idea is to create a reactor that needs only a small amount of enriched uranium to get started, and then uses depleted uranium (spent fuel) or natural, unenriched uranium to produce the nuclear-fission reactions necessary to generate power for 60 years or more without refueling. The design is called a traveling wave reactor, and the idea dates back to the early 1990s. If it works, the key benefits would be cheaper power, much more plentiful fuel, more efficient nuclear waste disposal, and less risk of nuclear proliferation. Gates has been gushing about the project as of late. He mentioned TerraPower prominently in his talk at the TED conference in California last month, calling out the proposed reactor design as a possible miracle innovation in the effort to provide clean energy to more of the world's population without increasing carbon emissions in the atmosphere. (Nuclear power provides about 20 percent of the electricity in the U.S.) Gilleland (see photo, left) has been given the keys to Gates and Myhrvold's nuclear kingdom for good reason. Previously, he co-founded and led Archimedes Technology Group, which developed improved techniques for cleaning up nuclear weapons waste, among other things. Before that, he was chief scientist and vice president of energy programs at Bechtel, and U.S. managing director of the International Thermonuclear Experimental Reactor (ITER) program for fusion energy, and he spent 16 years at General Atomics doing fusion research. The traveling wave reactor is certainly an intriguing idea, and one that could be a true breakthrough. But the question, skeptics say, is whether it can be made to really work-and how long that will take. The idea is that the reactor makes its own fuel and uses it as it goes along: the neutrons emitted by a small amount of enriched uranium convert depleted uranium into plutonium, which splits to produce energy and also emits more neutrons that continue to breed new fuel. There is no precedent for TerraPower's particular design, and the project faces some major challenges-technical, business, and regulatory. So far the physics has only been tested in computer simulations, albeit
[Biofuel] a sample of good bavarian musik for Gustl
Sorry List, I hade to take the List as medium for a message to Gustl,I lost his adress! But than this would be a good occasion to get to know the real bavarian folksongs! Hello Gustl, here a little sample of good bavarian musik http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa-WkuB__HM Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110703/68273cfa/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Murakami puts a bomb under his compatriots' atomiccomplacency
I have a little problem in praising Angela Merkl as the weise women in this piece! In fact Angela Merkl (she is a nuclear physicist) was before the Fukushima accident a strong supporter of nuclear industry! The german government came hard down on anti-nuclear protestors and it needet a nuclear desaster to wake up to the dangers of it! Even Merkl came to her senses, the path was prepared by the strong anti-nuclear drive in Germany Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110703/7b86a029/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Trees no cure for global warming
Thanks Thomas for pointig this out! It is rather nonesence to say that trees have a warming effect! What about the natural low-pressure over forest-areas? Any Glider-pilot can tell about the thermic effect over grassland and so. Beside,walk thru a forest and feel the fresh and cool air! It seems to me the autor of this study got a steak in forestindustry My non qualified fife cents Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110623/9c2e0baf/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fwd: New Engine 100 MPG
Hello Chip, when I startet out with my first car,a Lloyd Alexander Ts , 19hp the consumption was not that a big of a deal (1966) but just the same one did not drive just to burn fuel. I dont recall how much that yellow streetsinger burnt at the time,but there have been cars around then with less than 3liters consumption per 100km witch comes closed to the 100Mper Gallon thing. some Vehicles like the Messerschmitt cabinscooter or the little Gogomobil,and than the Renaults or the500Fiat. Big enough to get your But around,but not to impress lotsa girls! And there we go: A man and his symbols The Americans startet with the oversize Bathtops,lately I saw a 500 Fiat in Montreal ,shorter that little thing as a Chevy wide! My Brothers BMW Isetta, The one who opened the door to the front parked cross as well as long! You came a long a parking spot pulled the Handbrake and the thing jumped in the spot (Cross) and it never failed to do so The are all gone and I really dont know why Fiat shoud get the Price they ask for the new 500! Its all a rip off! Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110603/35fd92f2/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] 100 MPG Cars
Hey Chip, you are much wors than me only 16 count in 45years discount 3 years I went on horseback only... Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110603/7dae3e37/attachment.html -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 1088 bytes Desc: not available Url : /pipermail/attachments/20110603/7dae3e37/attachment.png ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] fukushimachernobyl
Hello KeithAll in my books those papermasks are as efficient as a Umbrella in a halestorm with eggsize ice-pellets! Its at the most a placebo of no value! Skinnexposure is also a big factor in the contamination process. In the army we had metalfoil-blanketts to cover all bodyparts,special soaps to wash and... and... The wors is,that all our Governments are lying the hell on any subject witch could find critisism ! So the canadian government conveniantly left out the Alberta Oilsandspollution from the report filed with the UN. And when bad things happen nobody is accountable for it! Hrrghhh Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110530/a4123b10/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] The Emperors New Hydrogen Economy
Hello Darrel, first my congratulations to the runner up award! Is there a online version of your book available or how can we purchase a copy? Thank you Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110517/48ded9a8/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Carbon storage in Saskatchewan
Hello Chip,Darrel, was` nt the japanese nuclear industrie considered the safest in the world?! So and what are the guaranties now for the rest of humankind about the fall outs? The safest carbonstorage to me is growing back our forests, it could be enhanced with composting to accelerate new growt! I wonder how many jobs could be created this way and how much we could achieve by that way? Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20110427/39e405cf/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] composting woodchips/sawdust
Hi Bernard,Keith, thanks for your posting on the matter,its very encouraging to know that i am on the rigth track! About woodchips starting fire while composting: indeed the heat generated in a damp pile of sawdust can actually start a fire.In my apprenticetime,we the apprentice had been often warned about leaving dump sawdustpiles under the Tablesaw,because it could start fire there! I have not experienced any mishap sofar but this maybe because of extra care since we had been warned so many times. It happens not often in a cabinetshop to cut wet wood but once in a while you run in to that situation and i remember allways to clean out under the tablesaw becaus of this,it becomes a habit! Jean Pain also states clearly,to pass the woodchips twiced in the chipper,so clearly there is no cutting corners here! An other point important is to wet the stuff very well when building the reactor and compacting the pile as you built it up! The whole sounds also quite labourintensive but when you consider the time to spend to cut firewood,splitting it,pileng to dry and than carriing the whole in the house,not to forget maintaining a woodshed,than the time to prepare your compostpile seems less work in general! The beneficial effect on clearing underbrush,specially in havily wooded aereas shold not be underestimated as well. Forest fires would have a harder time to reach your house if no underbrush is available! I guess the viability of the project is fully dependet on where you live and is not good in urban aereas,but makes good sence up here in northern Quebec! Best Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080818/6c0c98cc/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] concerns over Nova Scotia and Biofuel
Hi Keith, thanks fore your reply! The concerns about chopped wood i appreciate fully! My woodshop was located for more than ten years in Montreal.There i had a dustcollector (for shavings),a towerlike silo,with a big (7'x7'x7') Industrial Wastebin. The rip was filled from the Tower two times a week into the bin.Naturally some of the woodshavings fell allways aside. So from time to time i had to clean up the mess around and i noticed there was allwas beautiful black compost earth under the toplayer of the shavings! For a long periode i did not pay any attention to this,but now i know that i created there the very best compost environment.My shavings had been only from very dry wood,not more than 8% of residual humidity,since the wood was for interior furnitures and millwork! Now i count on the physical laws not to let me down and produce in my compostpile the heat,Jean Pain describes in his experiment! I am fully aware,that the keyrequirement is a very fine chipping of the material! The methanedigester wont be any issue in this pilotproject,my goal is only the creation of enough heat for Floorheating and warm watersuply! For the Floorheating,it wil be done with antifreeze in a closed circuit. The hotwater with separate piping connected to the elecric hotwatertank and circulated to preheat the water going in to the electrictank instead of filling the hotwatertank with coldwater! In my mind i think if geothermal heating can du the job,biothermal creates more heat,it only has to be harnessed! I also keep in mind thaqt heystocks caqn devellop great heat,to the point the may ignite them self! What concerns the Jean Pain method,i can not understand why this idea was never given more consideration,but in ligth of the general energie policies nothing surprises me anymore! Thanks for your attention Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080817/c9fd20cf/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] concerns over Nova-Scotia and biofuel
Hi Shan,Keith, burning biomass is one way of generating energie,composting it is probably less harmful to the environment! I am building at this moment two woodhouses in doubleblocksystem (see my website www.boiseriestraditionnelles.ca house on Lac Labelle) The estimatet insulationvalue will exeed R32,so i can consider the house as low energie building The principal heating will be done by a compostreactor as per Jean Pain's method (Keith, i live in a havily wooded aerea and underbrush is available more than i need) Every concretesurface (Slab and basementwalls) wil be used fore heating via warmwaterpipes running trough the bioreactor! In 35 hrs we collected about 15 tons of material to be shreded.My only concern at this moment is how far du i install the bioreactor from the house,since i dont know if thereis any unplaesant smell to expect from the biomass! I would appreciate any input from listmembers to improuve my pilotproject! A comment to the pressuretreated wood discussion! here in Quebec pressuretreated wood is considered as toxic wastematerial and have to be disposed accordingly! Despite of this reglement Hydro Quebec gave away thousands of decommissioned Hydropoles to anyone who wanted to have them! People did not know how toxic this material is,i was asked many times to go with my portable sawmill to cut them down into boards and beams! Giving them away saved them a lot of money to dispose of them properly! Still pressuretreated wood is sold and used for decks and landscaping without considering the toxic washout that hapens over the years! Best Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080816/a7fbfbd2/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] *Lorne Gunter, National Post *Published: Monday, July 21, 2008
Hi all,here is an article from the national postnow everything seems ok? or whatFritz Do as Al says, not as Al does *Lorne Gunter, National Post *Published: Monday, July 21, 2008 Jim Young/Reuters On Thursday, former U. S. vice-president Al Gore delivered a major address calling on his country to abandon all fossil fuels within 10 years. By 2018, U. S. electricity and fuel should come entirely from renewable energy and truly clean, carbon-free sources, he said. Tickets to the event encouraged attendees to please use public transit, bicycling or other climate-friendly means to reach the lecture hall. So how did Mr. Gore and his retinue arrive? In two Lincoln Town Cars and a full-sized SUV that sat idling with the air conditioners blasting while the Gore party was inside. It was 34 C in Washington. Al Gore can't be expected to get into an overheated vehicle after he's worked up a sweat telling others how to save the planet. Remember, too, the Nobel prizewinning environmentalist lives in a Tennessee mansion that produces a carbon footprint 20 times that of the average American home. A sizeable chunk of his personal fortune comes from royalties on a zinc mine which had to be temporarily closed five years ago in part because the U. S. Environmental Protection Agency ruled it one of the worst-polluting mine sites in America. Illegal toxins were frequently discharged into nearby rivers. Mr. Gore's Live Earth benefit concert last summer flew scores of rock bands to stages around the world in carbon-spewing private jets. To cover the emissions from his own frequent use of private jets, Mr. Gore set up a company that buys carbon offsets, so that in effect he is paying himself for his carbon indulgences, writing off the expense on one hand, while pocketing the proceeds on the other. Apparently if the world is ever to reach the carbon-free future Mr. Gore dreams of, it will have to get there without Al's help. But take heart, there is increasing evidence that man-made carbon dioxide may not be causing global warming. Indeed, there is increasing debate in the scientific community whether there is even any warming occurring at all. Mr. Gore might just be able to keep going from jet to limo to estate guilt-free (if not carbon-free) for as long as he wishes. On Tuesday, the Associated Press reported that seven mountain glaciers in northern California were advancing. They joined glaciers in southern Norway, Sweden, the New Zealand Alps and the Hindu Kush mountains of Pakistan. Indeed, worldwide, there are nearly half as many glaciers advancing as retreating. How did the AP explain this? Well, all the shrinking glaciers it mentioned in its story were melting due to global warming, while the growing ones were benefitting from changing weather patterns. Glacier melt is proof of a climate crisis, while -- on the same planet, under the same global conditions -- glacier advance is chalked up as a mere natural phenomenon. Facts that don't fit the global-warming dogma -- call them inconvenient truths -- are to be dismissed as unimportant. Only those that feed the environmental hysteria are proof of something ominous. So I'm sure they're entirely inconsequential, but here, anyway, are some anecdotes that cast doubt on the notion that emissions from our SUVs and power plants are dangerously harming the climate. Greenland isn't melting. And while Arctic sea ice may have thinned in the past three decades by about 3% per decade, according to the U. S. National Snow and Ice Date Center, Antarctic ice (which is about 20 times as voluminous as the Arctic kind) has grown by 1% per decade, Also, after last summer's record melt in the Arctic, this summer's melt in Antarctica was the smallest on record. And NASA satellites have found that Arctic Sea ice coverage this year is more than one million square kilo-metres greater than last year's, greater than the average of the last three years and 10-20 centmetres thicker than in 2007. According to observations by the Danish Meteorological Institute, we have to go back 15 years to find ice expansion so far south. Snow coverage in North America this winter was greater than at any time in recorded history. China had its worst winter in a century, and the southern hemisphere its worst in the past 50 years. And while global temperatures increased slightly in June, through the end of May, the nine-month decline in temperatures beginning in September was greater (0.8C) than all the warming of the 20th century (0.6C). All of this may prove nothing (although if these signals pointed toward warming, you can bet they'd be billed as proof a coming climate catastrophe). But they should at least give Mr. Gore comfort that he need not sacrifice his high-carbon lifestyle just to prove he can walk the walk. lgunter at shaw.ca -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080722/4b8c6bc1/attachment.html
Re: [Biofuel] *Lorne Gunter, National Post *Published: Monday, July 21, 2008
Hi Darryl, is'nt the national pest part of the Asperclan?! But than they always could say the opinion of a columnist is not allways the opinion of the paper,depens the reaction of readers! ant than who reads it anyways And shure this Lorne does know more than guys like James Hansen! Fritz - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 4:04 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] *Lorne Gunter, National Post *Published: Monday, July 21, 2008 This is the kind of writing (I won't call it journalism) that makes the National Pest a bit of a laughingstock outside of Canada's industrial elite. Original column is here: http://www.nationalpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=2489e0b8-3e57-40eb-9748-6c250d63c40dp=2 As a former U.S. VP, I don't think Mr. Gore gets much say in his transportation entourage. Perhaps the writer could take that up with the U.S. Secret Service. I'm sure they would welcome probing enquiries into their protocols and procedures. As for the rest of the muck-raking, it's old news and has been addressed already. Interesting that the NP did not provide for comments and responses to that column. Clearly, Mr. Gore's most recent exhortation to move the U.S. electrical grid to sustainable sources within a decade has somebody heated up. Go get'em Al! This quote is attributed to Mahatma Gandhi: First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, then you win. Looks like Al Gore is at step 2, maybe even step 3. Darryl Fritz Friesinger wrote: Hi all,here is an article from the national postnow everything seems ok? or whatFritz Do as Al says, not as Al does *Lorne Gunter, National Post *Published: Monday, July 21, 2008 Jim Young/Reuters On Thursday, former U. S. vice-president Al Gore delivered a major address calling on his country to abandon all fossil fuels within 10 years. By 2018, U. S. electricity and fuel should come entirely from renewable energy and truly clean, carbon-free sources, he said. Tickets to the event encouraged attendees to please use public transit, bicycling or other climate-friendly means to reach the lecture hall. So how did Mr. Gore and his retinue arrive? In two Lincoln Town Cars and a full-sized SUV that sat idling with the air conditioners blasting while the Gore party was inside. It was 34 C in Washington. Al Gore can't be expected to get into an overheated vehicle after he's worked up a sweat telling others how to save the planet. Remember, too, the Nobel prizewinning environmentalist lives in a Tennessee mansion that produces a carbon footprint 20 times that of the average American home. A sizeable chunk of his personal fortune comes from royalties on a zinc mine which had to be temporarily closed five years ago in part because the U. S. Environmental Protection Agency ruled it one of the worst-polluting mine sites in America. Illegal toxins were frequently discharged into nearby rivers. Mr. Gore's Live Earth benefit concert last summer flew scores of rock bands to stages around the world in carbon-spewing private jets. To cover the emissions from his own frequent use of private jets, Mr. Gore set up a company that buys carbon offsets, so that in effect he is paying himself for his carbon indulgences, writing off the expense on one hand, while pocketing the proceeds on the other. Apparently if the world is ever to reach the carbon-free future Mr. Gore dreams of, it will have to get there without Al's help. But take heart, there is increasing evidence that man-made carbon dioxide may not be causing global warming. Indeed, there is increasing debate in the scientific community whether there is even any warming occurring at all. Mr. Gore might just be able to keep going from jet to limo to estate guilt-free (if not carbon-free) for as long as he wishes. On Tuesday, the Associated Press reported that seven mountain glaciers in northern California were advancing. They joined glaciers in southern Norway, Sweden, the New Zealand Alps and the Hindu Kush mountains of Pakistan. Indeed, worldwide, there are nearly half as many glaciers advancing as retreating. How did the AP explain this? Well, all the shrinking glaciers it mentioned in its story were melting due to global warming, while the growing ones were benefitting from changing weather patterns. Glacier melt is proof of a climate crisis, while -- on the same planet, under the same global conditions -- glacier advance is chalked up as a mere natural phenomenon. Facts that don't fit the global-warming dogma -- call them inconvenient truths -- are to be dismissed as unimportant. Only those that feed the environmental hysteria are proof of something ominous. So I'm
[Biofuel] Pantone-Reactor
Hello all, i received lately a Video showing a Dieseldriven car with a modified engin! Apparentli this results in great fuelsavings beside very clean burning! I have some trouble to put the Video in the List,but you could go to www.econologie.com and get more Info from there Website! Everything is in french maybe Frantz coul help a little with this Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080502/c6d1d5fd/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Pantone-Reactor
Well the thing is,in this video a young french guy shoes a Renault Diesel modified by him to run on partly water! I dont have the knowledge to judge if there is anything good about it! The website looks like serios,thats where Frantz could give us a hand ! I would like to put the video in the List,Keith also give me some instructions how to due,but i am a double lefthand when it comes to handling a computer! I will send the video to Frantz maybe he could due better than me Thanks Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080502/878c584a/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bidets: Eliminate Toilet Paper, Increase Your Hygiene
Hi Zeke, i consider to install at my Toillet a handheld shower beside the bowl similar to the ones you find in kitchensinks.I need to find only a easy to handle and reliable one with a good valve Fritz - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, April 29, 2008 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bidets: Eliminate Toilet Paper, Increase Your Hygiene On Tue, Apr 29, 2008 at 1:17 PM, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am also interested in creating a toilet that combines a bidet with a composting sawdust toilet. Since these toilets can cope with urine, I'm sure they could cope with the small amount of water that a bidet produces. See the Composting Toilet Systems Book and Humanure Handbook for more information. Composting toilets actually have a bit of trouble dealing with urine, especially the small self contained units. Too much liquid drowns them and makes them go anerobic instead of aerobic. This is why most of them have electric heaters in them... the non heated ones that only have a vent fan to aid in evaporation can handle a much lower loading than the ones with heaters. Now.. there is no reason that you couldn't use a solar thermal system to aid in the heating and evaporation instead of an electric heater... but I know that too much liquid can be a problem. I still think that a bidet would be good to avoid using so much paper. In africa I used a little tea pot of water, and it was fine. For my current situation, in the winter the outhouse is well below freezing most of the time, so it might get a bit frozen up. but perhaps I could think of a way to incorporate a solar thermal system on there too... Z ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080430/c026842e/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] american Trucks
Hi all, a friend of mine wants to buy a 250 Pickup to pull a 5.whealer trailer What model should he look for to be able to run on BD.We think to look for a 2tank system.Up here in Canada we have very cold winters Thanks for your help Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080428/e4c0a8af/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] american Trucks
Thank you Zeke Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080428/6a86cce4/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] cure for incurable viral disease
Hi Kirk, why are tose Videos all fall short of explaining how to built that device an use it would you know? Thanks Fritz - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:25 AM Subject: [Biofuel] cure for incurable viral disease http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2095786730805958061 Beck video - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080423/ada43c11/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080423/b8581ab6/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] cure for incurable viral disease
Thanx Bruno Fritz - Original Message - From: Bruno M. To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 1:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] cure for incurable viral disease Fritz Kirk, You can make that bull-crap device ( as useless as an Hulda Clark zapper ) yourself easely : 1 of the many links: http://educate-yourself.org/be/beckelectrifierschematicandparts.shtml But did you guy's noticed that this crap has nothing to do with Biofuels...? Grts Bruno M. ~ At 17:19 23/04/2008, Fritz Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Kirk, why are tose Videos all fall short of explaining how to built that device an use it would you know? Thanks Fritz - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 10:25 AM http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2095786730805958061 Beck video === -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.3/1393 - Release Date: 23/04/2008 8:12 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080423/19d315d5/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] WVO supplies on the wane?
Hi Olivier, they just top it off every day, you hit the nail rigth on! When i inquiered once at a greesy spoon chain in Quebec,the Manager told me,there is no wvoil,they have apparantly so much turnover that they dont need to change any oil! since this time i make a big detour when ever i see a Labelle Province Restaurant Fritz - Original Message - From: Olivier Morf To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2008 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO supplies on the wane? Hi Keith, Regarding your last paragraph, I can confirm that here there is no or very little WVO. Either they just keep using it and top it off every day or the cooks are taking it home. I visited an instant noodle factory and there's no WVO, they keep adding unless it really becomes really rancid. I think it is not only a question of choice, it is also a question of education. They just don't know always that it is not good for health. As long as it tastes ok they keep using it. An other example; they prefer white rise. Brown rise does not looks clean to them. Although here there is an other more practical reason. You need to cook brown rise longer thus more energy. But if you ask an urban person, they think the rise as not been cleaned. They don't know that there's good stuff for human as well in the bran. They use it as animal feeding. Olivier From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2008 00:29:07 +0900 To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] WVO supplies on the wane? The price of cooking oil went up. The supply of WVO from the restaurant we usually get it from went right down, from more than enough to much less than enough (though we also have other sources, so no big problem). The FFA content went up, doubling from a titration of 0.8 - 1.2 ml 0.1% NaOH solution to 2.0 - 2.35 ml. Also not a problem. So it seems they keep costs stable by using the oil longer. That's probably a common practice. This is quite a good restaurant (you can tell from the previously low titration levels), not very good restaurants will probably keep it going even longer. Again, probably not a big problem for most, all indications are that there's still really a lot of WVO that goes unaccounted for in most of the industrialised countries, though for a couple of years now backyard brewers have been telling of increasing competition for local supplies. In poorer countries though, from what I've seen elsewhere and from what I can gather, there might not be much to spare for diesel motors - people just keep using their oil until it's all used up. Not very good for them, but they might not have much choice. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080313/6b684ecb/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Farmer in Prison
Hello all, for those reading french,here the story of the quebec farmer put in prison for producing organic milk!Sorry no english version available Fritz http://www.cyberpresse.ca/article/20080218/CPOPINIONS05/80217147 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080227/605d5c79/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] biofuels, agriculture, health, welfare, et al. (Part 1)
Hello all, some news from Montreal: a Quebec Farmer is Jailed for not paying the fine he was imposed for producing Bio-milk and not adding Vitamine D to his Milk I will try to get more info soon Fritz - Original Message - From: Chip Mefford To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, February 14, 2008 1:21 PM Subject: [Biofuel] biofuels, agriculture, health, welfare, et al. (Part 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Originally Posted to the list, on Monday, feb 11, 2008: - - It's now been two days since the final keynote speech of the Pennsylvania Association for Sustainable Agriculture 2008 conference ended. I've slept 2 nights, and still have not assimilated the information I gathered -almost by osmosis- by attending. Was just about the best money and time I ever spent. The final keynote was delivered by Mark McAfee of Organic Pastures Dairy http://www.organicpastures.com/ in California. Mr McAfee's dairy is one of the two licensed raw milk dairies in California, and one of one certified organic raw milk dairy in that state. In his keynote, he made a lot of tall claims for his product specifically and raw dairy in general. And I, being who I am somewhat skeptical in nature, had a bit of a problem with it all. However, taking anecdotes for what they are, was pretty overwhelmed by some of the claims of his customers. Throughout the whole presentation, the line from Frank Zappa's 'cosmic debris' kept floating to the top of my consciousness, And you may not believe this little fella, but it'll cure your asthma too. Seems the LA region of California is suffering from a literal epidemic of asthma. The stats he gave were 1 in 5, that's 20 percent of children in that part of the state. Of his customer base, many began using raw dairy with asthma, and have put their pills and inhalers away, because the symptoms are all gone. All, gone. Caveats apply of course, folks who are living with the western modern 'heath' or rather, anti-heath of cancers, massive pharmaceutical dependencies, esp hormones and antibiotics could quite literally be killed by a switch to raw dairy. The baseline of general health must be there. The probiotic nature of raw dairy is pretty strong stuff. The general thesis is, that we, esp in the west, but basically all over the world, never really made it anywhere, without the cow. We have co-evolved over the last few tens of thousands of years. We are in point of fact, symbiotically co-dependent, we are our dairy, we are our gardens and farms, and they are us. Now, for me, this rather flies in the face of what I have read and studied, I was under the impression (and still somewhat still am) that homo sapiens relation with 'cattle' is way too young for there to be a symbiotic relationship, but apparently, there is a context. homo sapiens the hunter/gatherer and homo sapiens the cultivator are very different in lifestyle, diet and lifespan. Apparently, homo sapiens from the farm like other homo sapiens, live between 70 and 100 years, keeping their working strength for pretty much all that time, from adolescent onwards. Homo sapiens post-farm, (homo novus if you will) also go 70-90+ years but begin their decline almost as soon as they hit reproductive maturity, and that curve starts turning downwards quickly after 45+ years. Now, it's interesting to note that in our 'pharmaceutical rich' biosphere that we have created over the last 50 years, that 'People' in the west, due to presence of real and artificial growth and reproductive hormones in the food chain, are starting to show signs of early onset of puberty at insane ages, I overheard folks talking about studies showing signs in 1 year old girls. The dairy, the meat, the vegetables, and by immediate one-jump extension, Us, are totally tied to the soil, and the pasture. Seems like, the funding for the ARS pasture research work has been completely gutted by President Bush. As if, the pasture no longer had any meaning in this day. Seems, this day of patented gmo grains, antibiotics, and 'feed lot' type 'cattle' factory farming has precluded the science of the pasture. As if the pasture no longer has any significance. One could get the impression that here in the US, as well as the rest of the developing world, large multinational organizations are running a full court press to remove the farm aspect from food production entirely. Seeing as -at least the anecdotal- evidence strongly implies, if not outright insists, that factory food production leads to long term dependence on pharmaceutical products, at a much reduced quality of life, the only reason for this it seems, would be to increase the wealth of a few, at the expense of the heath of the whole. Gee, do you think? -
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel or Byproduct Powered Boiler
Hello Willie, there comes Jean Pains Reaktor for Compost to my mind.Depend naturally on availability of composting materials and probably a little burner to heat the water a bit more than the 60 degree cel. a composter can make As a second way could be Solarheat (only in summer?) Fritz - Original Message - From: Will Kelleher To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2008 2:38 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Biodiesel or Byproduct Powered Boiler Hello everyone, I'm involved in a student run project to construct a 400 gallon batch reactor at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign. We cannot use electricity as a source for our reaction heat, so we have been looking for a product or byproduct fueled boiler to heat water that will pass through a heat exchanger to heat the oil. Does anyone have any recommendations? I came across a product from Agsolutions that claims it can burn a mixture of product and byproduct, the ideal solution for us, but their site does not provide very much information. I also read a few threads in the infopop forum that mention the hazards of burning byproduct. Is our goal feasible? Thanks, -- William Kelleher Sophomore, Electrical Engineering University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080210/94e4d2ae/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080210/29bd7edf/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Before You Vote for Hillary Clinton Read This
Hi Tony, as long i rememberd i heard those storys about changes on the way and yet things always turned out wors than they seemed at the point!We can always blame the few who are doeing those bad things and say,it is not our fault,we cant doe nothing about and it gets worse and worse! Change has to come from the grassroots up and have to be swift and dramatic and as long you yankees are more concerned about keeping your Livestil there will be no change! And as a analog conclusion: if those Palestinians deserve collectiv punishment for those homemade rockets,maybe the Israelis deserve that same outcome to and therefore the US citicens should be treated the same way! Logic or not? Fritz - Original Message - From: Tony Marzolino To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, February 09, 2008 10:59 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Before You Vote for Hillary Clinton Read This Hello Keith, Thanks for the post. I absolutely agree that the current parties or candidates are NOT the answer nor will they offer or implement any meaningful change.. However, I believe change is on the menu and there are other solutions. Mike Bloomberg is one option and even if he does not run, he is influencing the national debate. There are many Internet sties concerning this topic. I have listed just two. http://www.runmikerun.com/ http://www.runmikebloomberg.com/ Also the GAO (General Accounting Office) has some GREAT publications on the current and future financial crisis facing this country. Our time is running short. Two excellent GAO reports are listed below. http://www.gao.gov/cghome/d08489cg.pdf http://www.gao.gov/cghome/d08490cg.pdf This and much else (i.e. declining dollar, housing crisis, US war, etc) will force change. Hopefully. Regards, Tony Marzolino Berkshire, NY Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith Addison wrote: IMHO it's worth taking another, good, long, hard-eyed look at the Clinton presidency these days, just for the sake of a little perspective. Not much different from GW Bush, essentially the same, but with gloves on, not so in-your-face, less extreme. Not the solution. I'm not saying it's Hillary Clinton who's not the solution, it's the Other Business Party as a whole that's not the solution. It's time for change, and it's not on the menu. If voting worked it would be illegal. (British graffiti, 1980s.) Best Keith - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080209/6d7a1cfb/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080209/b7f4f821/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Green Developer?
Hi Tom, i believe thats a little eyewash. a house could be ready for photovoltaic technologie only in orienting an inclining roof-tops to the south,so there is no real readynes or so.Nothing to be exidet about! Grenn building starts with the selection of the least energieconsuming components,least toxidity of materials used and so on.An other factor woud be energie consumption of the new house as far as heating or cooling concerns!Architecture is a third factor as well selection of landsites! To achieve real green and sustainable construction,buildingcodes and techniques have to be completly reshuffled Fritz - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel Sent: Friday, February 08, 2008 9:50 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Green Developer? Hello All, I recently attended a presentation by a developer. The presenter used the words green and sustainable in reference to the development. I would appreciate a bit of help. What does it mean when one says that many of the houses will be photo-voltaic ready? I understand that it suggests that they will support the addition of PV cells. Is there anything specifically different about the construction of PV ready houses that makes them different from other houses? Tom -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080208/19db69cd/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080208/1d905c19/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Accross America.......
Hi Keith, you nailed it again! It seems nobody is learning from history (or wants to learn)! Way back the thirty year war was exactly the same result of unhappy warriers whoo did all that plundering and murdering accross Europe. Nothing changed since So Friedrich Schillers Song of the Bell comes to my mind: Dangerous it is to wake the lion, Ruinous is the tiger's tooth, But the most terrible of all the terrors, That is the mensch [1] when crazed. And nobody should blame anyone else for his very own crimes It's been the same since the beginning of warfare. Train a civilian to kill, maim, rape and pillage. Turn him into a highly tuned fighting machine with hair-trigger responses. If you let them train you to the abouve things you can not foreward the responsability of your actions to the trainers. it is still you whoo dit the dirty job! Who lives with the gun dies with the gun! my fife cents Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080118/f9712ceb/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] We need these cars *#
Hi all, there was a radioshow on CBC 1 on thursday afternoon talking about the new lowcost car from India!Cost here in Canada approx.2 300$can.So this stupid announcer said: People who can not afford a more expensive car should walk or take public transport! What a qualifiing statement (for his very own intelligence) And he went on whit statments that can Cars should have much more than a 30HP or so engine,you need more power on the road! Well my first car ,a LLoyd Alexander TS had a full 17HP and run top 125Kmh! And further the guy went... we dont need those cheep cars the gonne excellerate the pollution level ! Fritz - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, January 11, 2008 9:51 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] We need these cars *# Dear Kirk, I don't know whether this particular model is for me, but I am sure there will be many competitors over the next decade. The Zenn folks are to be congratulated. I think the U.S. balance of payments deficit would improve over time if we were to import large numbers of Zenns and less gasoline/diesel/crude. I think we need to be concerned with battery safety and the mine-to-landfill environmental impacts of the batteries. In my case, the electricity would come from wind and small hydro when parked at home; so I welcome the age of the electric car. Regards, Wendell From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2008/01/11 Fri AM 01:57:22 CST To: biofuel Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] We need these cars The ZENN (zero emissions no noise) car. Video, 10 min http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8M88k6Ipp3c - Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080110/58248af2/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080111/f695cb01/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Forget oil, the new global crisis is food
Hi Keith, so it looks i am on the rigth track with my Fishys! In Summer 2005 i have put 15 000 Brooktrouts of 4cm size in my two Lakes! They reached to day up to 60cm in size and are delicious! During the Newjears Hollydays we went eicefishing and had a good catch! I smoked a part of them cold.On a Bagel with creamcheese a deligth!! The most beautiful thing,the fishys sponed already 3 times.Food for the fishys is plenty,one trout had 3 shrimps in her stomach and the holes in the ice filled in no time with plankton! so i am somehow pretty exited ! Fritz - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 8:48 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Forget oil, the new global crisis is food http://www.financialpost.com/story.html?id=213343 Forget oil, the new global crisis is food BMO strategist Donald Coxe warns credit crunch and soaring oil prices will pale in comparison to looming catastrophe Alia McMullen, Financial Post Published: Friday, January 04, 2008 Scott Olson/Getty Images A new crisis is emerging, a global food catastrophe that will reach further and be more crippling than anything the world has ever seen. The credit crunch and the reverberations of soaring oil prices around the world will pale in comparison to what is about to transpire, Donald Coxe, global portfolio strategist at BMO Financial Group said at the Empire Club's 14th annual investment outlook in Toronto on Thursday. It's not a matter of if, but when, he warned investors. It's going to hit this year hard. Mr. Coxe said the sharp rise in raw food prices in the past year will intensify in the next few years amid increased demand for meat and dairy products from the growing middle classes of countries such as China and India as well as heavy demand from the biofuels industry. The greatest challenge to the world is not US$100 oil; it's getting enough food so that the new middle class can eat the way our middle class does, and that means we've got to expand food output dramatically, he said. The impact of tighter food supply is already evident in raw food prices, which have risen 22% in the past year. Mr. Coxe said in an interview that this surge would begin to show in the prices of consumer foods in the next six months. Consumers already paid 6.5% more for food in the past year. Wheat prices alone have risen 92% in the past year, and yesterday closed at US$9.45 a bushel on the Chicago Board of Trade. At the centre of the imminent food catastrophe is corn - the main staple of the ethanol industry. The price of corn has risen about 44% over the past 15 months, closing at US$4.66 a bushel on the CBOT yesterday - its best finish since June 1996. This not only impacts the price of food products made using grains, but also the price of meat, with feed prices for livestock also increasing. You're going to have real problems in countries that are food short, because we're already getting embargoes on food exports from countries, who were trying desperately to sell their stuff before, but now they're embargoing exports, he said, citing Russia and India as examples. Those who have food are going to have a big edge. With 54% of the world's corn supply grown in America's mid-west, the U.S. is one of those countries with an edge. But Mr. Coxe warned U.S. corn exports were in danger of seizing up in about three years if the country continues to subsidize ethanol production. Biofuels are expected to eat up about a third of America's grain harvest in 2007. The amount of U.S. grain currently stored for following seasons was the lowest on record, relative to consumption, he said. You should be there for it fully-hedged by having access to those stocks that benefit from rising food prices. He said there are about two dozen stocks in the world that are going to redefine the world's food supplies, and those stocks will have a precious value as we move forward. Mr. Coxe said crop yields around the world need to increase to something close to what is achieved in the state of Illinois, which produces over 200 corn bushes an acre compared with an average 30 bushes an acre in the rest of the world. That will be done with more fertilizer, with genetically modified seeds, and with advanced machinery and technology, he said. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL:
Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators
Hi Tom, you could have achieved the low startload of havy motors with a Star Delta switch. Fritz - Original Message - From: Tom Thiel To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 9:38 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators Regarding starting motors in our off-grid woodshop: we treat 1 horsepower motors as intermittent-use, starting and stopping them at will. Larger motors are paired with a 1 horsepower motor to start each machine. After it is up to speed, the main motor is turned on. This system reduces the start-loading of the large motors almost down to full load amp rating, and its elapsed time to less than a second, since the rotor is already spinning. If he has an inverter / battery system, the battery bank will charge variably as (headroom) power is available, reducing the light-load wet stacking potential in the system. I await the SVO discussion with great interest. Tom Thiel On 6 Jan, 2008, at 8:52 PM, Zeke Yewdall wrote: Seems to me like an engine running an 8 hour shift would be ideal for SVO -- you'd have to start it on biodiesel till it got up to operating temperature, then just make sure the incoming SVO is as hot as you can get it -- 180F or higher. The schemes to just thin SVO with biodiesel and ethanol seem pretty risky. One thing to think about is wet stacking the generator depending on the loading of the shop -- many diesel generators cannot be run at less than 20% of full load, and if the generator is sized for starting large motors, it may not operate at this level consistently. Z On Jan 6, 2008 6:01 PM, Thomas Kelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, On 9/25/06 Pagandai Pannirselvan wrote: The small co generation of electrical energy based on the bio diesel can make possible the use of pure used vegetable oil and also some e 5 porcent hydrated ethanol , making possible to lower the viscosity of used vegetable oil in deiesel engine, removing dependence with Conventional deisel. Thus the blend of used vegetable oil 70 percent, hyrated ethanol 10 percent and biodeisel 20 porcent can be used with less problem for motor maintainence in rural areas. I've recently been contacted by a former student who would like to generate his own electricity for his woodworking business. He is considering a diesel generator and asked about biodiesel. I suggested he look into using a BD/WVO blend rather than processing it all into BD, as he would be using about 3 gallons (11.4 L) per hour (120+ gal/week). 1. Does anyone have experience using a blend such as that suggested by Pagandai Pannirselvan in a diesel generator? 2. Hydrated ethanol: What % water would be tolerated? In the U.S. it is possible to get a permit to distill ethanol. Only that which leaves the premises must be denatured to prevent human consumption. 85-90% ethanol is do-able, and used on premises would not have to be denatured 3. Could E-85 be substituted for the hydrated ethanol? I've heard of commercial suppliers adding small amounts of gasoline to their diesel. Since the E-85 would only constitute 10% of the mix, the total gasoline would only be .15 X .10 = .0150 (1.5%) Thanks, Tom -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080106/e76c540e/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080107/437ad854/attachment.html
Re: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators
Hi Tom, i have a 100KvA 600V Dieselgenerator with a 140 HP Mitsubishi Engine.The consumption by staedy 30A is a little less than 8 liters/hr. I would not take the chance and run the Gen on straigt WVO or even a blend of the same. The Genset has to perform staedy in a woodworkshop.A braekdown would be to costly,specially it would always happen in the worst time! My Genset by the way is for sale,it has 370hrs on and is in mint condition. If your woodworking student is interested please give him my coordinates www.boiseriestraditionnelles.ca Fritz - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: biofuel Sent: Sunday, January 06, 2008 8:01 PM Subject: [Biofuel] WVO in Diesel Generators Hello All, On 9/25/06 Pagandai Pannirselvan wrote: The small co generation of electrical energy based on the bio diesel can make possible the use of pure used vegetable oil and also some e 5 porcent hydrated ethanol , making possible to lower the viscosity of used vegetable oil in deiesel engine, removing dependence with Conventional deisel. Thus the blend of used vegetable oil 70 percent, hyrated ethanol 10 percent and biodeisel 20 porcent can be used with less problem for motor maintainence in rural areas. I've recently been contacted by a former student who would like to generate his own electricity for his woodworking business. He is considering a diesel generator and asked about biodiesel. I suggested he look into using a BD/WVO blend rather than processing it all into BD, as he would be using about 3 gallons (11.4 L) per hour (120+ gal/week). 1. Does anyone have experience using a blend such as that suggested by Pagandai Pannirselvan in a diesel generator? 2. Hydrated ethanol: What % water would be tolerated? In the U.S. it is possible to get a permit to distill ethanol. Only that which leaves the premises must be denatured to prevent human consumption. 85-90% ethanol is do-able, and used on premises would not have to be denatured 3. Could E-85 be substituted for the hydrated ethanol? I've heard of commercial suppliers adding small amounts of gasoline to their diesel. Since the E-85 would only constitute 10% of the mix, the total gasoline would only be .15 X .10 = .0150 (1.5%) Thanks, Tom -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080106/e76c540e/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20080106/77db28bc/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Jean Pain Video
Hi Keith,Eric, the Video does not talk technical details at all. I have read about Jean Pains project long time ago in readers Digest,but first time i seen this Video.The whole thing looks pretty easy. Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071218/9db26303/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Jean Pain Video
Hi Keith, thanks for this.I am a hopeless dreamer But everyonce a while there is this urge to due somethings with this endless waste here.Sitting on a former graphitmine,stript to the rocks i would like to help nature to recover faster.Aldoe Mother Nature is doeing a pretty good job without me.So we found a spot under the Hydroline with more than 50 Orchids (Ladyslippers) and there you know Nature is very strong and beautiful. The digester is an other thing,a porcfarmer here has a lot of problems to get rid of his manure. Naturally his reservoir is open air and therefor rain and snow goes in the manure and its again a lot of wast to carry all that good water with the manure out in the fields all done by dinofuels.The guy dont want to invest anymore in his operation specially now the price of porc is below cost.It is quite frustrating to see whats going on there,and there are a lot of those pigfarms out there! Producing electricity from that stinky gold would be the rigth thing i guess.It is because nowbody wants to invest in the future of this planet. Pains model would be good here in Quebec for communities.We have lots of shrubs,manure and other biomass and cold enough winters.Last week we had -26 and w got more than 60cm of that with stuff! Chrismas is therefore aledy in the bag! Have a peaceful Hollidayseason Fritz - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, December 18, 2007 1:51 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Jean Pain Video Hi Fritz Hi Keith,Eric, the Video does not talk technical details at all. I have read about Jean Pains project long time ago in readers Digest,but first time i seen this Video.The whole thing looks pretty easy. Fritz Not very complicated anyway, if you're not deterred by 50-ton compost piles (about 100 cubic metres). I think you have to shred the branches and stuff, just chopping it up won't do. We make 1-cub-metre compost piles, four or five of them in series, more than that would really up the hassle factor. Tom Kelly makes somewhat bigger piles, but I doubt he'd want to make them much bigger than that, like 100 cub metres. It should be doable on a smaller scale, people like us or Tom should be able to use it. I doubt you need so much compost, and I think you could get more biogas out of a smaller unit, by feeding it say oilseed cake and biodiesel by-product for instance, as well as the forest stuff. Small-farm-type by-products and waste products should improve it, and/or wastes rescued from the local waste stream. Pain used big machines for shredding and so on, IIRC, from what I could make out from the French website(s). His system would be more usable if it were more adapted to small mixed organic farms (which should have trees anyway). A 5 or 6hp chipper shredder should be able to handle it, something a small organic farm needs anyway (though you can do without it, like most things). Actually there's not that much to adapt. You don't really need to put the biogas digester inside the compost pile to maintain the temperature. You can use a much smaller compost unit to heat water (as well as passive solar), and use a heat exchanger to keep a smaller digester warm (it only has to be warm, not hot, and I think it's only necessary in cooler countries). There are lots of ways of doing it I think. Probably you could just dismantle Pain's system into its component bits and use the bits you require, as they fit in with your situation and resources, linking them together again as and where it works well for you. Organic growing, composting, heat exchangers, passive solar, hot water, biogas. Easy enough. And keep Jean Pain's system for forests. Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071218/8405b62a/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Sustainable Subsoiler and Other Questions
Hi David,Keith, if got an older Farmbook from Germany,there they show a Chickenstall on an old Heywagon.The Floor of it is done with a metalkind of Grill,so the Chickenwagon stays mostly clean. The Chickenwagon is parked on a pasture and from time to time moved,so the Manure is spread over the pasture.The Chickens feed on the Grassland and need little other food complementary. Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071217/0806175c/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] recycled building materials
Hi Jason,Bruno, those styrofoam insulations have a good insulationvalue but are very easy to burn. There is,beside the fact that your insulation could very well be gone after a few years due to incompatibility of chemicals near the insulation. I worked lately with insulation made from recycled paper.this recycled stuff is treated with bore,so mites and bugs wont go inside.It is also kind of fire resistent and the best of all it lets the insulatet wall breathing,as long there is no vaporbarrier installed. A small House,wich i have buildt this year is done with 6' studdwalls,a hybrid between post and beam - and conventional 2x6 lumber.Covered inside and outside with 2x4 tongue and grouve Cedarwood. My estimate is,that i reach a R 30-32 Insulation value.A second feature is,the house was built on very low budged. You con have a look on my website: www.boiseriestraditionnelles.ca go to Photos-House near Lac Labelle grts Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071214/ac676c27/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Open letter from Islam to Christianity
Hi Fox, beside this,there where no mention of the letter in the can,news today!For them it was the Pope who called for peace between the religions!Seems to me ongoing with the brainwash... Fritz - Original Message - From: fox mulder To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2007 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Open letter from Islam to Christianity You have been brain washed by the western media which reinforces your evangalical belief. How do you know they did it. A great many number of muslims died in the world trade centre. --- swalms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Perhaps they should state they deplore the attacks of 911. or do they? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bob Molloy Sent: Saturday, October 20, 2007 6:26 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: [Biofuel] Open letter from Islam to Christianity 138 Muslim Scholars Issue Open Letter to Christian Religious Leaders | IslamToday / Agencies| 11 October 2007 138 of the world's leading Muslim scholars and intellectuals from all branches of Islam (Sunni and Shia, Salafi and Sufi, liberal and conservative) had come together to write a letter entitled A Common Word Between Us and You, to the world's Christian leaders. The drafting of the letter was organized by the Royal Aal al-Bayt Institute for Islamic Thought in Amman, Jordan. Though its message has been said by Muslim scholars many times before, it is the first time so many high-profile Muslims have come together in public to make such a unified call for peace. The letter was launched first in Jordan this morning, and then in other countries over the course of the day, the letter gets its final unveiling at a joint press conference in Washington D.C. this afternoon by Mustafa Ceric, Grand Mufti of Bosnia, and John Esposito, Director of the Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding at Georgetown University. In a display of unprecedented unity, the letter - which calls for peace between the world's Christians and Muslims - is signed by no fewer than 19 current and former grand ayatollahs and grand muftis from countries as diverse as Egypt, Turkey, Russia, Syria, Jordan, and Palestine. War-torn Iraq was represented by both Shi'ites and Sunnis. It is addressed to Christianity's most powerful leaders, including the pope, the archbishop of Canterbury and the heads of the Lutheran, Methodist and Baptist churches, and, in 15 pages laced with Qur'anic and Biblical scriptures, argues that the most fundamental tenets of Islam and Christianity are identical: love of one (and the same) God, and love of one's neighbor. On this basis the letter reasons that harmony between the two religions is not only necessary for world peace, it is natural. As Muslims, we say to Christians that we are not against them and that Islam is not against them - so long as they do not wage war against Muslims on account of their religion, oppress them and drive them out of their homes . Our very eternal souls are all at stake if we fail to sincerely make every effort to make peace, the letter reads. If Muslims and Christians are not at peace, the world cannot be at peace. With the terrible weaponry of the modern world; with Muslims and Christians intertwined everywhere as never before, no side can unilaterally win a conflict between more than half of the world's inhabitants, the scholars wrote. Our common future is at stake. The very survival of the world itself is perhaps at stake, It's an astonishing achievement of solidarity, says David Ford, director of the Cambridge University's Interfaith Program. I hope it will be able to set the right key note for relations between Muslims and Christians in the 21st century, which have been lacking since September 11. One profound obstacle to establishing positive relations among mainstream Muslim and Christian groups, argues Ford, has been the lack of a single, authoritative Muslim voice to participate in such a dialogue. This letter changes that. It proves that Islam can have an unambiguous, unified voice, says Aref Ali Nayed, a leading Islamic scholar and one of the letter's authors. Sources: Emily Flynn Vencat, Giving Peace a Chance Newsweek October 11, 2007 Peter Graff, Unprecedented Muslim call for peace with Christians Reuters October 11, 2007 Jumana Farouky, Muslim Leaders Send Peace Message Time October 11, 2007 =QQQ==
Re: [Biofuel] Hydropower doesn't count as clean Power
Hi Terry, my comment was made more as a joke :)), But so or so Water taken from the River will have a negative effect on Fishes! We should focus on reducing electric consumption and not increasing production! A small example,Northamerican Machines of almost any kind are swiched directly to full power! This takes about threfold the consumption as if they where switched Star -Delta,wich means in layterms you start your Motor slowly up an then when it reaches the full rotation you swich to delta!Any european Machine of 3HP or so is equiped with such a switch!cost a little more for the Machine but you save on consumption! Fritz - Original Message - From: Terry Dyck To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2007 2:24 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Hydropower doesn't count as clean Power Hi Fritz, Sorry for taking so long to get back to you and answering your questions. In BC the mountains are very high and there are rivers in these high mountains. I believe that it is possible to have some high river water diverted to a hole made in the mountain to create a drop for the water to create electricity. At the lower end of the mountain the water simply goes back to its original stream. Terry Dyck From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Sun, 7 Oct 2007 08:23:42 -0400 Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Hydropower doesn't count as clean Power Hi Terry, and how do de get the Water on top of the mountain?? :)) But wont this water be missed in the river it belongs? Fritz - Original Message - From: Terry Dyck To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Hydropower doesn't count as clean PowerHi Fritz, A new Hydro project in BC, Canada is being planned which does not involve a dam. The water will spill into a hole in the top of a mountain and produce a lot of electricity. The project will not interfere with fish or the forest. Only damage will be roads to the facility. Terry Dyck From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 08:47:12 -0400 Subject: [Biofuel] Hydropower doesn't c! ount as clean Power Hi Keith and all, if one counts how sloppy Hydro-dams have been built here in Quebec,Valleys had been flooten with little clesn up before flooding!Whole eareas of Forest submerged (a lot of them also in BC),wich creates on top of the Methane also a high Mercury-pollution (via Tannin/zyanide),so the Government recomend only restrictet Fishconsumption! Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071006/cf5409a0/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archiv! es (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Have ! fun while connecting on Messenger! Click here to learn more. http://e ntertainment.sympatico.msn.ca/WindowsLiveMessenger -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071006/58346788/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071007/efba733e/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined B! iofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Are you ready for Windows Live Messenger Beta 8.5 ? Get the latest for free today! http://entertainment.sympatico.msn.ca/WindowsLiveMessenger -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071017/67a69ecb/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] Hydropower doesn't count as clean Power
Hi Terry, and how do de get the Water on top of the mountain?? :)) But wont this water be missed in the river it belongs? Fritz - Original Message - From: Terry Dyck To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2007 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Hydropower doesn't count as clean Power Hi Fritz, A new Hydro project in BC, Canada is being planned which does not involve a dam. The water will spill into a hole in the top of a mountain and produce a lot of electricity. The project will not interfere with fish or the forest. Only damage will be roads to the facility. Terry Dyck From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2007 08:47:12 -0400 Subject: [Biofuel] Hydropower doesn't count as clean Power Hi Keith and all, if one counts how sloppy Hydro-dams have been built here in Quebec,Valleys had been flooten with little clesn up before flooding!Whole eareas of Forest submerged (a lot of them also in BC),wich creates on top of the Methane also a high Mercury-pollution (via Tannin/zyanide),so the Government recomend only restrictet Fishconsumption! Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071006/cf5409a0/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archiv! es (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ _ Have fun while connecting on Messenger! Click here to learn more. http://entertainment.sympatico.msn.ca/WindowsLiveMessenger -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071006/58346788/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071007/efba733e/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hydro Quebec....
Hi Jess, www.hydroquebec.com Fritz - Original Message - From: Jesse Frayne To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 11:44 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Hydro Quebec Does sound cool, Fritz. Could you provide the French language link? Thanks, Jess --- Fritz Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just received a Brochure from HQ anouncing their sustainable development!!! I translate from french: Take an example the new hydroelectric centrale of :Rocher-de -Grand-Mere on the river St.Maurice,built in an resraint urban milieux. Hydro Quebec installed ramps to access the river with boats,Bycicle paths and Belvederes to favorice Recreotourism.And this in respect to the environment! Sounds good eh??? Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071006/6cb56805/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Jesse Frayne itsdinner.ca Neighbourhood catering and general joie de livre Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071007/d821bf24/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Hydropower doesn't count as clean Power
Hi Keith and all, if one counts how sloppy Hydro-dams have been built here in Quebec,Valleys had been flooten with little clesn up before flooding!Whole eareas of Forest submerged (a lot of them also in BC),wich creates on top of the Methane also a high Mercury-pollution (via Tannin/zyanide),so the Government recomend only restrictet Fishconsumption! Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071006/cf5409a0/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Hydro Quebec....
I just received a Brochure from HQ anouncing their sustainable development!!! I translate from french: Take an example the new hydroelectric centrale of :Rocher-de -Grand-Mere on the river St.Maurice,built in an resraint urban milieux. Hydro Quebec installed ramps to access the river with boats,Bycicle paths and Belvederes to favorice Recreotourism.And this in respect to the environment! Sounds good eh??? Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20071006/6cb56805/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Twentynine steps to the unthinkable
Hi Doug, not going into the discussion if the Holocaust killed 6 Million Jews,my beleive is,if it was only one,it was one to much! But talking about Dachau,my Childhood was not to far from D. und i know for fact,that my Grandfather was interned for about 3 Weeks in Dachau,because he refused to let his Sons (my Oncles) to the Hitlerjuths.My Grandfather had real Arien ancestors (wich i dont care about) Fritz - Original Message - From: doug swanson To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Twentynine steps to the unthinkable There's a documentary on Google video, I think it was directed by Alfred Hitchcock, with footage and commentary. Looks like proof to me that the holocaust happened. Having been to Ausschwitz and Dachau, I can believe, without having been through it, just having looked at the site, and the photos in their museum, that it wasn't just an elaborate hoax... the link is: *http://tinyurl.com/3c9yua for those that want to check it out. It is quite disturbing... doug swanson * -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070929/9b9b91e8/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] OilsandsTruth
Thanks Keith for posting the Info about can.Oilsands. There is more Info at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or www.OilsandsTruth.org Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070918/0d4b68b4/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] http://oilsandstruth.org/
Hello all, when i tried the link,it didn't work,so i got the good spelling of it Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070918/fb107021/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Watch this
Hi Kirk, did you watched the whole Video? I found a small (or big ) Mistake towards the End! Albert Einstein was presented as an other Austrian Scientist! In my books Einstein was born in Ulm Germany and this makes him a German Scientist! Not very important in my Philosophie but why the misrepresentation? Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070909/b780d434/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World
Hello Skak, its good old bavarian (the language of the haeven :)) ) Fritz - Original Message - From: Kåre Skak Pedersen To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 6:14 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World Now I got curious; Exactly what language was that? I know the languages from the countries surrounding DK, and it's none of them. Greetings from Denmark, Europe Skak On 07/09/2007, Fritz Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: eh Ken, thats simply the language of resistance! Fritz - Original Message - From: Ken Provost To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World On Sep 6, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: Grüaßdi Fritzl, Jawoi, Bua! Leida heitztaag denga in d oid Hoamatl vuizvui Leit wia d Saupreiß. Göid und no Göid. Jamei Bua, so a Schmarrn! Pfüatdi Whoa! That ain't the German I learnt in college! -K -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/a9470bdd/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/532201ff/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070907/5380e018/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World
Well sayd Gustl Thanks Fritz By the way,du you know the boarische Weltg'schicht von Michel Ehbauer? - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender To: Kåre Skak Pedersen Sent: Friday, September 07, 2007 8:25 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World Hallo Skak, It is our dialect called boarisch or Bayerisch in standard German or Bavarian in englisch. Boarisch is getting rare I think. I am the last one in our family to speak it and I now speak it poorly as the only other one I could speak it with, my grandmother, died decades ago. I tried teaching it to my children and now to my grandchildren but they didn't/don't want to be different than their friends so it doesn't stick. When my oldest hit 28 she told me she wished she had learned German/Bavarian when she had the chance. Told her so. hehehe One of my young friends from Bavaria, Uli (52), comes here once a year and we speak in boarisch on and off. Mostly he is with others who don't speak the dialect so we have to use standard German which I also don't speak very well any longer. Other than the bible I don't read much in German so once a year isn't enough to keep me fluent. I am ashamed of myself but such is life I suppose. Anyhow, Uli tells me that he hears less and less Bavarian spoken in Bavaria and then mostly out on the land and mostly among older folks. Fritz has called it the language of resistance. I never thought of it that way but I like the idea. It is the language our people used before predatory culture became the norm, the reality. It is the language of the land, the family, the community. There is a smallness (in the best sense) and cohesiveness about it as well as a plainness and honesty of expression. We don't say feces when shit will do. It is the language of the common person full of life and humor. The name of those things which dangle between a mans legs are called Glockngspui in Bavarian which translates to Glockenspiel or chimes. I can't imagine that in standard German. It is the language people (used to) speak at home among family and friends. This is probably more than you wished to know but it is what it is friend. Happy Happy, Gustl Friday, 07 September, 2007, 06:14:27, you wrote: KSP Now I got curious; Exactly what language was that? KSP I know the languages from the countries surrounding DK, and it's none of them. KSP Greetings from Denmark, Europe KSP Skak KSP On 07/09/2007, Fritz Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: eh Ken, thats simply the language of resistance! Fritz - Original Message - From: Ken Provost To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World On Sep 6, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: Grüaßdi Fritzl, Jawoi, Bua! Leida heitztaag denga in d oid Hoamatl vuizvui Leit wia d Saupreiß. Göid und no Göid. Jamei Bua, so a Schmarrn! Pfüatdi Whoa! That ain't the German I learnt in college! -K -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/a9470bdd/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/532201ff/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ KSP ___ KSP Biofuel mailing list KSP Biofuel@sustainablelists.org KSP http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel KSP Biofuel at Journey to Forever: KSP http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html KSP Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): KSP http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails. The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft
[Biofuel] U.S.prof.who says Jews abuse Holocaus to curb critics resigns
From Haaretz - Last update - 11:37 06/09/2007 U.S. prof. who says Jews abuse Holocaust to curb critics resigns By The Associated Press A Chicago university professor who has drawn criticism for accusing some Jews of abusing the legacy of the Holocaust agreed Wednesday to resign immediately for everybody's sake. DePaul University officials and political science professor Norman Finkelstein issued a joint statement announcing the resignation, which came as about a hundred protesters gathered outside the dean's office to support him. Finkelstein, who is the son of Holocaust survivors, was denied tenure in June after spending six years on DePaul's faculty. His remaining class was cut by DePaul last month. Advertisement His most recent book, Beyond Chutzpah: On the Misuse of Anti-Semitism and the Abuse of History, is largely an attack on Harvard law professor Alan Dershowitz's The Case for Israel. In his book, Finkelstein argues that Israel uses perceived anti-Semitism as a weapon to stifle criticism. Dershowitz, who threatened to sue Finkelstein's publisher for libel, urged DePaul officials to reject Finkelstein's tenure bid. Finkelstein said in the statement that he believes the tenure decision was tainted by external pressures, but praised the university's honorable role of providing a scholarly haven for me the past six years. The school denied that outside parties influenced the decision to deny Finkelstein tenure. The school's portion of the statement called Finkelstein a prolific scholar and an outstanding teacher. Finkelstein called that acknowledgment the most important part of the statement. I felt finally I had gotten what was my due and that maybe it was time, for everybody's sake, that I move on, he said at a news conference that followed a morning rally staged by students and faculty who carried signs and chanted stop the witch hunt. Finkelstein added: DePaul students rose to dazzling spiritual heights in my defense that should be the envy of and an example for every university in the United States. The professor would not discuss financial terms of the resignation agreement, which he said was confidential, but noted that it does not bar him from speaking out about issues that concern him, including the unfairness of the tenure process. He also said he does not know what he will do next, but came to realize before Wednesday that the atmosphere had become so poisoned that it was virtually impossible for me to carry on at DePaul. The least I could hope for is to leave DePaul with my head up high and my reputation intact. Dershowitz was critical of the school. DePaul looks like they caved into pressure, he said in a telephone interview. The idea of describing him as a scholar trades truth for convenience. He's a man who is a propagandist and is not a scholar. Still, Dershowitz said, I'm happy he's out of academia. Let him do his ranting on street corners. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070907/d5995de9/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Who owns you World
We are even worse in Australia- we are a nation which longs to be Americans, but can't quite pull it off. We live their culture vicariously throught the tellie and movies. America may be the last original culture on earth, as all others strive to be like them. Hey Mike and Josh, good news for both of you! There is still a bunch of real Bavarians und as i know for shure a lot of Quebecers who resist the trend of americanism! Fritz -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/71a1107e/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World
eh Ken, thats simply the language of resistance! Fritz - Original Message - From: Ken Provost To: sustainablelorgbiofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 06, 2007 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Who owns you World On Sep 6, 2007, at 11:19 AM, Gustl Steiner-Zehender wrote: Grüaßdi Fritzl, Jawoi, Bua! Leida heitztaag denga in d oid Hoamatl vuizvui Leit wia d Saupreiß. Göid und no Göid. Jamei Bua, so a Schmarrn! Pfüatdi Whoa! That ain't the German I learnt in college! -K -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/a9470bdd/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: /pipermail/attachments/20070906/532201ff/attachment.html ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/sustainablelorgbiofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (70,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] I'm tired of being afraid...
Hey Doug, I'm afraid of only one thing, humanity will never learn lessons from the past Fritz - Original Message - From: doug swanson To: Biofuel List Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 12:58 PM Subject: [Biofuel] I'm tired of being afraid... The following is my attempt at a chain letter sort of email. Feel free to add to this incomplete list of things not to be afraid of. Pass it on to someone if you think it's worth the while. Or flame me if you think I'm being unpatriotic for not maintaining a patriotic sense of fear. Maybe I'll get it back one day. Or not.- - doug I'm tired of being afraid. Fear paralyzes. I'm over it. I'm taking my personal power back from those who peddle fear. I'm not afraid of the media's stories. I'm not afraid of terrorists. I'm not afraid of conspirators. I'm not afraid of peak oil. I'm not afraid of poisons in the food. I'm not afraid of poisons in the air. I'm not afraid of poisons in the water. I'm not afraid of weird diseases killing everyone. I'm not afraid of nuclear disasters. I'm not afraid of global warming. I'm not afraid of asteroids destroying earth. I'm not afraid of burning in hell. I'm not afraid of believing the wrong god. I can do something about some of those dangers. About those, I will do something. I'm not afraid that I can't do something about all of them. started Aug 14, 2007 -- Contentment comes not from having more, but from wanting less. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * All generalizations are false. Including this one. * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * This email is constructed entirely with OpenSource Software. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Pepsi Forced to Admit It's....
Hey Jeromie, whats wrong with kids running in the streets? @all, my daugther as prez of the CSU,kikked Marriott out of Concordiacampus,the had an exclusivecontract with the University and charged.$can 18.00 for a pitcher of water at a speakers event.A little to greedy i guess! After a short campaign of bad puplicity against Marriott,the gready bastards had to leave campus! This example shows,things can be done on small scale,but with the notorious complicity of mainstreammedia it is not so easy to tackle big buissnes! Fritz___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] SVO congres sept 2007 + Trade fair nov 2007
Hello Bruno, thanks for that posting! when i look at a major sponsor of this event,Nova Gmbh,i cant help to think at NOVA,a Dinosponsored PR organizer,working so hard to deny global warming! I could be wrong and anyway its not important anymore! At this point i would like to see Keith in the ranks to get a first hand look at the merits of this congress,after all its him who worked so hard to get the biofuels known an in the rigth directions. My call is to everyone on this list to sponsor a trip for Keith to attend this congress,so we get a qualified feedback on this german brew.Its worth to me to pledge a couple hundred bucks to help pay,so Keith could attend the congress! Fritz - Original Message - From: Bruno M. To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 30, 2007 9:22 PM Subject: [Biofuel] SVO congres sept 2007 + Trade fair nov 2007 First International Congress on Plant Oil Fuels 6 + 7 September 2007 Erfurt Germany. www.pflanzenoel-kongress.de/ ( in German ) The same in English : www.pflanzenoel-kongress.de/index.php?lng=en And in November also in Germany (Munich): Oils+fats 2007 International Trade Fair for the Production and Processing of Oils and Fats made from Renewable Resources 20 - 22 November 2007 oils+fats is the only international B2B exhibition that focuses on the manufacture and processing of oils and fats. It presents the latest trends and information about recent technological developments, covering everything from raw and auxiliary materials to processing, quality assurance, packaging and logistics. As a result, it is the most important industry gathering for experts and decision-makers in the oils and fats industry. www.oils-and-fats.com/en/Home/cn/Glance ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] SVO congres
Hi Keith, thanks for putting me things in the rigth perspectiv,sometimes i am a hopeles dreamer,but you are all rigth with your views! Anyway them arrogant Dr.s and german industrials with all their titles would not pay attention to sombody who does not have profits in the aim! Fritz___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Time is running out to Save Raw Almonds!
Hello Dawie, there was once a town in old Germany,Schilda: the towncouncil desided to put the grass growing on top of the townwalls to good use and let the towns cow feed on it. So the good people strang the cow up to the top of the wall but the cow did not wanted to eat anymore grass Fritz - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Time is running out to Save Raw Almonds! I don't see cows being kept on rooftops. Cow-sized staircases would just consume too much space! But I do see small dairy operations within easy walking distance of city centres. Dawie LOL. Probably not cows. But a goat could. And chickens. Milk and eggs. They eat the scraps from the rooftop garden and turn it back into protein for the humans and fertilizer for the garden. We need to start seeing our roofs as something other than wasteland helping generate a heat island and view it as a land area that we could use for food and energy production. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hybrid Solar House
Hi Mike all, i had a quick look at the Website of enertia,there are some very good aspects in their aproach,but i think this is a kind of overkill! We talking here of basically two Housshells wich are probably very costly and not ment for everybodys means! A significant aspect of full Woodhouses is not even mentionned in this website the ability of wood to even out differences of humidity and therefore act as a catalizer. Everone owns a Loghome would be able to tell that the Klimate in a Loghome is much more natural and better than in conventional built studdwallstructure with all kind of windbarriers and vaporbarriers! The only disadventage,Loghomes are very labourintensive and therefore expensive. I am working since a while on a constructionmethod with double Woodwalls insulated with natural fiber insulation,not using vaporbarriers at all,so the whole wall is considered as a full Logwall. This method is costefficient, easy to assemble for homebuyers and ecological,since the protection of the wood is mainly to constructiv means! My Modelhome should be up by the end of this summer! Fritz - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:25 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Hybrid Solar House http://enertia.com/Science/HowItWorks/tabid/68/Default.aspx Swiped from Digg ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Hybrid Solar House
Hi Kirk, sheetrock is known to make Livingaereas very dry as its absorbs lots of humidity from the air with the disadventage of creating mildue! Furniture absorb very little humidity in compare. Evaporativ cooling does not harm furnitures but is not suitible for drywallconstruction Fritz - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:11 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Hybrid Solar House sheetrock does absorb water as does furniture etc. I know because when I lived in the Coachella valley (Indio - Palm Springs) I used evaporative cooling until humid air moved north from the gulf. For the next couple of days the ac condensate line ran water as the house dried out and the ac didnt pull down fast. Then once dried ran normally. Kirk Fritz Friesinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Mike all, i had a quick look at the Website of enertia,there are some very good aspects in their aproach,but i think this is a kind of overkill! We talking here of basically two Housshells wich are probably very costly and not ment for everybodys means! A significant aspect of full Woodhouses is not even mentionned in this website the ability of wood to even out differences of humidity and therefore act as a catalizer. Everone owns a Loghome would be able to tell that the Klimate in a Loghome is much more natural and better than in conventional built studdwallstructure with all kind of windbarriers and vaporbarriers! The only disadventage,Loghomes are very labourintensive and therefore expensive. I am working since a while on a constructionmethod with double Woodwalls insulated with natural fiber insulation,not using vaporbarriers at all,so the whole wall is considered as a full Logwall. This method is costefficient, easy to assemble for homebuyers and ecological,since the protection of the wood is mainly to constructiv means! My Modelhome should be up by the end of this summer! Fritz - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, May 28, 2007 10:25 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Hybrid Solar House http://enertia.com/Science/HowItWorks/tabid/68/Default.aspx Swiped from Digg ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Expecting? Get great news right away with email Auto-Check. Try the Yahoo! Mail Beta. -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Siafu, the ant scares the eleph ant
Hi Keith,and all members, i am very proud to anounce my daugthers magazine Siafu is finally on the web! www.siafu.ca Fritz___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel
Hi Keith, to my knowledge,anything belong to the public domaine kan not be patented.A simple dokumentet description of the process should be enough to dismiss any patentclaim! Fritz - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, April 27, 2007 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel I'd appreciate some opinions on this, if anyone would like to comment. Just to stir it up a bit, a somewhat ridiculous small company in Japan called Someya Shoten which feels it leads the world in matters biodiesel took out a patent on transesterification some years ago. So is Ben Gurion University infringing on Someya Shoten's patent? Or is the whole thing preposterous, since transesterification was invented/discovered about 150 years ago and is thoroughly in the public domain no matter who decides to patent it, and no matter which dumb patent office that doesn't check anything decides to grant the patent? Would the best advice to the Sahel group be to ignore it and just get on with it? Has anybody patented the human nose yet, or failing that, the air noses breathe? All best Keith I had this email from a group working with biodiesel in the Sahel. If it's true, it seems ridiculous to me. See: http://www.wipo.int/pctdb/en/ia.jsp?IA=IL2006000622REF=RSS (WO/2006/126206) PRODUCTION OF BIODIESEL FROM BALANITES AEGYPTIACA Best Keith Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 11:20:52 +0200 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fw: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 23, 2007 11:16 AM Subject: patent for transesterification of oil to Biodiesel Dear Sirs, We are supporting NGO 's and cooperatives in Afrika, there is a big need to produce oil from all possible plants, nuts , seeds of any other vegetable origine , for human consumption or for producing energie. One of the NGO ' s in the Sahel-region helps the local population to organise the collecting of the fruits and nuts to improve their oil production from the nuts of the Balanites tree. The Balanites tree is very popular by the population , the fruits are sweet amere but the juice is used as a drink and sold to the town , the nuts are very hard and inside, the kernel contains 40 to 48% of oil. Sometimes the used as lamp-oil. The whole tree is very interesting for public health , on internet is a lot of information about that. The NGO will make the use as lamp-oil better by transesterification to obtain biodiesel that the should burn in small diesel cookingoven ,so that they don't have to use the wood , which is one of the biggest problem in this region. Further the don't have electricity , the have diesel generator , but the irrigularity in delivery and the high prices of gasoil makes it to difficult in using them all the time. The problem : There is a pattent on the invention to make biodiesel from BALANITES OIL .(WO/2006/126206) dated november 2006 by the BEN GORION UNIVERSITY Please can you inform us, Is it possible to take a patent on the transesterification process of oil to produce Biodiesel? Is this ALL Patent possible? Is this NEW and what is new on this invention? Is this not in contradiction with statements of many Organisations - World Wide - for the devellopment of POOR COUNTRIES , Thanks for your attention we remain with kind regards marc van de velde Leningstraat 19 2140 ANTWERP Belgium production and office in POLAND mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
Re: [Biofuel] Earth Hour
Hi James, i suppose there is a certain point in this.The simultanious cutting off consumtion is a way off showing on great scale how many people are ready to cut back 1 hour of consumption! But if everyone continues afterwards with the regular consumption,the point is missed. Real reduction is needed and you get it in long term only trough rigorous chanche of behavior. Homeinsulation is a good thing to start on.Most houses (in Montreal by example) have such poor insulation,its a shame,Industrial Buildings next to no insulation,Windows,single pane,draghty like hell and the buildings with old steamboilers overheatet,because people are used to work in short sleeve shirts. This is reality,i see it every time i go down to Montreal,and nowbody cares about it, because heating is payed by the tenant! I am working since 40 years building higly efficient woodwindows and i have seen a lot of crappy stuff here in Canada . Fritz - Original Message - From: James Machin To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Friday, March 30, 2007 6:25 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Earth Hour Hi all I forwarded the Earth Hour initiative to various local environmental groups and just received the following message back from one of them... James, Although as with the first power off campaign I think it is a great way to bring reality of climate change closer, nevertheless I still have concerns about power surges (and not personal equipment longevity or damage) and whether this is a totally wise thing to do over a huge area? I am mainly concerned about massive power surges if this is not staggered and the pressure on power plants especially if they are not in on the act and not prepared. This could potentially cause more problems than it is pretending to solve? I am holding back from promoting too widely because I have not thought through all possible outcomes, have you? Comments on this issue please? Best James ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] If It Weren't for Worms
Hello Robert, the Sawdust will help to aerate your compost,its important doe to turn the whole thing over once a while. For transplanting trees,my advice is,cut back at least 1/3 of the branches,better moore then not enough,the roots you miss since the transplantation have to be balanced by lesser foliage! Good gardening! Fritz - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2007 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] If It Weren't for Worms Fritz Friesinger wrote: Hi Robert, try to get some dry sawdust or shavings of wood (rip),this is composting very well. I can do this, as my father-in-law enjoys woodworking and always has a sawdust collection available. I had in Montreal a sawdustbin,wich was not tite on top,so a lot of rip and dust went over.Every once a while i cleaned the edge of the bin and past a toplayer of dry stuff,i always digged out very nice and well composted black earth ! And this on a gravel underground! There where no worms around,but fayrly moist. It's a good idea, and I'm going to try it. But I still believe that the anaerobic nature of my composting indicates I need more air in the process. We've had WEEKS of hard rain recently. I'm certain that the wind has driven some of that rain through the holes I'd drilled into the compost bin, and this resulted in soggy material that couldn't compost properly. Keep up good gardening, we here in the eastern are eager to start too Thanks, Fritz! I'd transplanted a tree a few weeks ago because the ground had FINALLY softened enough for me to dig. I broke my favorite shovel in the process, and I'm certain that I cut enough roots to kill the tree. Everything on our property is blossoming right now EXCEPT for this Japanese Maple . . . My fruit trees have more buds on them this year than I've ever seen before. It's exciting! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] If It Weren't for Worms
Hi Robert, try to get some dry sawdust or shavings of wood (rip),this is composting very well. I had in Montreal a sawdustbin,wich was not tite on top,so a lot of rip and dust went over.Every once a while i cleaned the edge of the bin and past a toplayer of dry stuff,i always digged out very nice and well composted black earth ! And this on a gravel underground! There where no worms around,but fayrly moist. Keep up good gardening, we here in the eastern are eager to start too Best, Fritz - Original Message - From: robert and benita rabello To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2007 4:48 PM Subject: [Biofuel] If It Weren't for Worms . . . I'd be a complete failure at composting! After doing some weeding this morning I thought I'd check my new compost bin. The 200 liter food grade plastic bin has multiple holes drilled into it for air circulation and a two piece lid that screws onto the top. (It's kind of like a canning jar, and the lid doubles as a bird bath after it rains!) When I tipped the bin over I felt very disheartened, as the open bottom of the composter had a plug of slimy muck that I had to dig through with a shovel in order to remove. The contents at the bottom of the bin simply REEKED. It's obviously too wet and there's not enough air getting inside. But thankfully, the bin is CRAWLING with big, fat worms. A lot of the material we've loaded into the composter has decomposed already, and while that's nice it isn't finished yet. I really wanted to get some fresh compost on my flower beds before things really began blooming around here, but the new bin is a big disappointment thus far. My youngest son has a pet bunny. Whenever he cleans out the bunny cage, he's been dumping its entire contents into the composter--sans bunny, of course. The newspaper he uses to line the bottom of the cage is often soaked with urine (and stinks!), and he doesn't want to touch it, so he's just put everything into the compost in the hope that it will go away. My wife has encouraged this, after reading an article on vermiculture in which newsprint is one of the recommended feed sources. Worms don't have teeth, though, and unless the paper is shredded, all it does is clog the composter and hold moisture that might otherwise evaporate. I cleaned out the mess, mixed the bin contents and added some dry material to absorb excess moisture. I think I may need to redesign the thing to promote aerobic decomposition. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice The Long Journey New Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.ca Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ -- ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] 4 and moore crows
Hi Keith, the only and best way to solve your birdbroblem would be to cover the chickenaerea with a net or a wiremesh. I had a similar problem years ago with owls,wich made me realize (i love owls) that it was my choice to raise poultry and ducklings in a wooden aerea and i had to conceed to the rigth of the local birds of prey. Nevertheless covering your yard may be very costly,so a good compromise would be to restrickt the chickens to a smaller aerea and cage the place completly in. By the way,your response to my (or Busches) Crowtrap was in a way expected and i can not withold my high regards for your journalistic skills as per the quality of your research. Best regards Fritz___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] How do you catch 4 crows?
Hi Keith, there was a device mentionned in Wilhelm Busch's (no appaerent relation to GWB) Story of Max und Moritz,when the two rascals trappt Widdow Boltes chicken. Two cross-knotted strings 6ft in length with each end some breadkrumbs fastened on.Put this device on top of your chickenhouse,ATTENTION DONT PUT IT WHERE THE CHICKENS FEED !! It was very efficient in the Max und Moritz Story,why should it not be good for outher birds?! Apparently it works best on 4 Crows at a time Or try it simply whit an old fashioned Scarecrow Best Luck Fritz - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, March 18, 2007 8:23 AM Subject: [Biofuel] How do you catch a crow? Hi all A pesky crow moved in a couple of weeks ago. I guess they're all pesky, I haven't met any other kind. It reckons this is its territory now, there are good pickings here, it's taken to scavenging poultry feed for instance, sneak-thief, darts in as soon as your back's turned. Trouble is there'll be flocks of hatchlings around soon, with their mums to look after them indeed, but chicks run around, the crow will get some of them. We killed a crow a year or two ago. We'd been having problems with them, thieving and so on, and they killed five chicks. Then a couple of crows got into the chicken hutch and Midori killed one, the other escaped. We hung the dead one up outside the chicken hutch and the crows kept away after that. Up to now. How do you catch a crow when it's not trapped in a chicken hutch? Any ideas? I set a trap for a raiding raccoon a couple of months back and caught it but I won't catch a crow that way. TIA Best Keith ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] What If the RCMP hired someone honest to look into....
Hi @ all, i just got this: www.hiddenfromhistory.org proud to be a canadian??? Fritz___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Al Gore's 'Inconveniant Truth'
Hi Terry, The main issue is that both Al Gore and Dr. Suzuki are influencing alot of people which is the most important thing now. Time is important because 2007 could be the pivitol year to save this planet. David Suzuki wrote in his Book : towards the year 2040 ,the pivitol year to save this planet was 2004 ! Are we delaying this now from year to year?? just wondering Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] overly sensitive etc
Hey Mike, whats wrong with crossword puzzle on the toilet? dodnt take me this pleasure away please!! Fritz - Original Message - From: dupster To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 3:28 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] overly sensitive etc Say it IS so, Joe! Noneed,IMHO!!!,being humble about it. The world could really care lesswhat organizationsomeone's brain belongs to...we just want to know what someone is doing with that brain to help the world. Otherwise, here, I have a crossword puzzle or two for those self-important brains to work onwhile they sit on the toilet. Mike DuPree - Original Message - From: Joe Street To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 1:32 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] overly sensitive etc Hi Gustl;Your point about judgement taken, but I would like to suggest, (and no doubt I'll be flamed for this butoh well flame suit on) that anyone who feels the need to have their intelligence rated or feels the need to be able to make some claim about it, has an ego problem that would IMHO preclude them from certain levels of sensitivity, introspection and self awareness that I tend to associate with the aquisition of wisdom.Just my two cents.Joe[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hallo, Back in '66 just after returning from the Nam I was hanging out with college kids and this prof who they hung out with started telling me about mensa and asked me if I wanted to test. I did test and was invited to join but first was invited to one of their meetings to check it out. Turned out that all these geniuses had all the answers to the problem in the Nam and that everyone else was just ignorant. That was enough for me. A bunch of arrogant clowns is what I found. Never set a foot in the Nam but knew all the answers. A partner of mine from the Detroit area tested a couple of years ago and did join but without going to a meeting first. He spent 1 year as a member and attended 2 of their meetings before coming to the same conclusion I had back in '66. Seems times had changed but mensa hadn't. All that being said, it is still wise to remember not to judge a book by its cover. There may be some decent ones out there. Happy Happy, Gustl On Thu, 14 Sep 2006 06:35:49 -0700 "A. Lawrence" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You don't really think he's Mensa level do you?? I think Keith nailed it with his comments about sociopathy... they too, are "out there" and have opinions - which unfortunately are often skewed by their disorder (when untreated) Life as we know it, goes on... - Original Message - From: Fred Finch To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, September 14, 2006 5:46 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] overly sensitive etc On 9/13/06, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're a noble man Fred. Sorry to say the chances of it happening would have been zilch. "Would have been" because it's too late for that, it went too far. I doubt an apology would have been acceptable anyway. Regards Keith I like to think that given a chance he might have come around. Alas, the decision has been made. This is the second Mensa clown that stumbled to the group only to make an ass out of himself. Why is that? Is there a requirement that you have to be heartless and souless to become a member? Perhaps they are too smart for their own good, fred On 9/13/06, Thor Burfine mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just have to say, I think its rather funny that my personal beliefs can cause such a shit storm -Original Message- From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] lelists.org [mailto:mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]biofuel-bounces@ sustainablelists.org] On Behalf Of David Penfold Sent: Wednesday, September 13, 2006 11:43 AM To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] overly sensitive etc Thor, it's not overly sensitive to dislike insinuations that you would be perfectly happy to use nuclear bombs on a whole region in order to get your oil. You're a small-minded idiot. Message: 9 Date: Wed, 13 Sep 2006 08:58:24 -0700 From: "Thor Burfine" mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney To: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.org biofuel@sustainablelists.org Message-ID: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ced72aa8928b4ffdb [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" The shit is stired, the tempers are up, the overly sensitive politicly correct are offended My work
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Eh Gustl, you hit the Nail Fritz - Original Message - From: Gustl Steiner-Zehender To: Fritz Friesinger Sent: Tuesday, September 12, 2006 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney Jano Bua,Du denkst: Macht es nicht.Jason denkt: Es macht mir nichts.Ich denke: Mir ist es Wurst. hihihiMach's guat. ;o)Pfüatdigod und Happy Happy,GustlTuesday, 12 September, 2006, 06:14:30, you wrote:FF Eh Jason,FF Your german needs some workover too et means :dont due it!FF Fritz FF - Original Message - FF From: Jason Katie FF To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org FF Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 9:05 PMFF Subject: Re: [Biofuel] DisneyFF your german needs work. Machs /nicht/ means " it makes nothing" or "it doesnt matter" Machs nich is a sneeze..snip...-- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns.We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails.The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, "The Screwtape Letters"Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden.Those who dance are considered insane by those who can'thear the music. George CarlinThe best portion of a good man's life -His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love.William Wordsworth___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Disney
Eh thanks Zeke for pointing this out! When i read about OBL the Terrorist than again on wich Payroll was he an who shoed him how to be a terrorist? Doesnt that looks a little like the Sorcers apprentice who gots out of control? And than that talk of the cowardly Terrorists who hide amongst inocent civilians and now you have to blow them up alltogether!This is like the Police would blow up a Bank with all the people in it because they have to get the robbers! What kind of sick philosophy is that? Ah i get it,its US American! my 5cents Fritz - Original Message - From: Zeke Yewdall To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 5:47 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Disney If you read OBL's talks, doesn't he speak of deciding on his jihad against the US when he saw the buildings in Beruit being blown up by the US/Israel in 1982? Sounds like Reagan's reign to me. Though I think that actually, Reagan's foiling of US fuel economy and energy efficiency standards probably has as much or more to do with it. Through our oil habit we've been supporting the massacre of civillians for years (all the way back to the 50's according to some). The rest of the world knows this, but through our own censored/skewed media, we hide this from our own citizens, who are then suprised when someone strikes back at us. On 9/11/06, Gregg Davidson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gregg, I don't mean to get you too upset. But, hypocracy runs thick when it comes to this mini-series. I don't doubt that Clinton's administration could have done things differently but remember, the attack came on BushCo's watch and the seeds were planted over several years.On Sunday, September 10, 2006 6:28 PM, Gregg Davidson wrote: Bush Lied! Bush Lied!! Bush Lied!!! Can't you people come up with something better than that?Its interesting, they impeached Clinton for a lie. The country was outraged at such an atrocity as a lie to the nation. Would you suggest a lie about illicit sex is worse then a lie that has led to the deaths of the US's service men and women? Clinton was never impeached, he remained in office.He basically received a "slap on the wrist" and was disbarred for a short period of time. Our military personnel knew what they were getting into when they VOLUNTEERED for service. Nobody was drafted. I believe some foreign civilians might have been killed too, just in case anyone's interested. Yes, you're quite right, as aresult of Clinton bombing an aspirin/ibuprofen/acetominaphine factory. I do not dispute that Iraqi civilians have been killed. Unfortunately, when cowardly terrorist hide among civilians it's impossible to keep that from happening. ICH: 62,006 - 180,000, The number killed in the 'war on terror'http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article14906.htmNumber Of Iraqi Civilians Slaughtered In America's War? As Many As 250,000http://www.marchforjustice.com/shockawe.phpEg. And the rest!All strangely invisible from within the borders of the US somehow.BestKeithOr a lie about why 3000 people lost their lives in 9/11? I'm so sorry we pissed off "Uncle" Osama. We'd better not make him mad or he'll do some really mean like call the ACLU on us.Hey, I would love to see Osama captured. But blaming his actions on one presidency only serves those who would hide from the truth. And my suggestion that Clinton was no more at fault then the two presidents previous to him (not even including Eisenhower's successful attempt at destabilizing Iran) still stands. Thus, to propagate a story that places blame for 9/11 at the feet of the Clinton administration is not only unfair but down right unpatriotic and un-American. Its deplorable to those who suffered loss to lie about why and how it happened.Clinton did more to embolden OBL than any President we've had. Cutting Running is Game Plan #1 in the Democrat/Liberal Playbook. -dave ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Talk is cheap. Use Yahoo! Messenger to make PC-to-Phone calls. Great rates starting at 1¢/min. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the
Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book
Hi Bob , This would be called Terrorism Fritz - Original Message - From: bob allen To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 12:41 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Reinventing Medicine -- book my mind, my body, yes to a degree, but"And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die."surely you jest.if intercessory prayer can work to cure, ie change an individuals physiology, then shouldn't it be possible to have negative effects via prayer? Could I "pray" somebody sick? say dick chaney? ;-Mike Redler wrote: FYI: In the mid 90's I had a long commute to work and spent my time in the car listening to Bill Moyers in a series he did about the mind/body connection. This post reminded me of the work he did on that. -Redler Kirk McLoren wrote: *Reinventing Medicine by * Larry Dossey http://www.amazon.com/s/002-5739560-3156800?ie=UTF8index=booksrank=-relevance%2C%2Bavailability%2C-daterankfield-author-exact=Larry%20Dossey Cue the theme song to the /Twilight Zone/: Research shows your plants won't grow as well when you're depressed as when you're happy. Praying for someone else will improve your /own/ health, too. The growth of /E. coli/ bacteria is inhibited when a group of people merely think about stopping the growth. And qi gong practitioners in San Francisco can kill cancer cells in other peoples' bodies--by willing the cells to die. These ideas surely sound ludicrous, but these and other similarly mindboggling studies have been commissioned and /replicated/ by researchers at Harvard, Duke, McGill, and other esteemed universities. [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- --Bob Allen,http://ozarker.org/bob---The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercisesin moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moraljustification for selfishness JKG ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 34.6 cents per kilowatt hour. PG
Hey Guys, dont forget,school is to learn how to learn! Fritz - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2006 1:10 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 34.6 cents per kilowatt hour. PG Perhaps Michael achieved this insight in spite of going to school. I learned more on my own than in the school system. Kirkrobert and benita rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Michael Redler wrote: "Many students, especially those who are poor, intuitively know what the schools do for them. They school them to confuse process and substance. Once these become blurred, a new logic is assumed: the more treatment there is, the better are the results; or, escalation leads to success. The pupil is thereby "schooled" to confuse teaching with learning, grade advancement with education, a diploma with competence, and fluency with the ability to say something new. His imagination is "schooled" to accept service in place of value. Medical treatment is mistaken for health care, social work for the improvement of community life, police protection for safety, military poise for national security, the rat race for productive work. Health, learning, dignity, independence, and creative endeavor are defined as little more than the performance of the institutions which claim to serve these ends, and their improvement is made to depend on allocating more resources to the management of hospitals, schools, and other agencies in question." From: Why We Must Disestablish School by Ivan Illich The fact that you're posting this illustrates its fallacy. True education does not producing unthinking slaves, else NONE of us would have any hope of independent thought.robert luis rabello "The Edge of Justice" Adventure for Your Mind http://www.newadventure.caRanger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ Get your own web address for just $1.99/1st yr. We'll help. Yahoo! Small Business. ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] 34.6 cents per kilowatt hour. PG
One dime from me on this! I believe the state of thinking of the general puplic is preoccupied with important Things like Baseball or Hockey or Football or so on You only have to listen to the news and then you know all about it!Nothing gets more coverage on TV and Radio as Sports !Our idols you name them! And all this is a major plot of our Govmnts to due what ever they want PANEM ET CIRCENCES Jules Ceasar knowalready how to manipulate the PLEPS! How we gonna change all this? we need to get rid of all our Massmedia,change Journalismteachers and Schools and get started with independet Journalism! Keith would know more about this subject! Fritz - Original Message - From: MK DuPree To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 34.6 cents per kilowatt hour. PG I'm with you Kirk on this one. Look at the educational system in the U.S.A., maybe anywhere. For the most part, folks are not taught how to think, only what to think...from kindergarten through high school. Add to that many kids social background, parents who were subjected to the same bullshit system and there you go...now now children, remember George Washington, couldn't tell a lie...what crap. Add to that the religion foisted on folks and socialization to trust, to forgive, to do everything except open their eyes and behold the hand in their pockets...need I say more??? Yes, I do. Zeke, who have you helped today see a little more clearly who you knew was blind before today? I wonder what might happen if everyone of us on this list took it upon ourselves to help educate just one person/family who we knew needed help learning how to think? What changesmight we wreak on the planet Keith, would you be willing to have each of us send you a name of someone each of us were choosing to help...and keep of list of who wasmaking the commitment? Geez, we can preach all day to each other, folks. But until we get beyond the comfy confines of this List and on the road of a real Journey To Forever, well...ah what am I wrting about anyway I know this List isn't what this List is supposed to be about...but I saw the same thing in 1988 when I ran for our State Senate...preachers preaching to the choirwho cares? Nothing changes until someone really changes, until one more person is helped to be unplugged from "choicelessness" and reconnected with their natural mind of awareness and curiosity and the willingness to question authority. Amen. Mike DuPree PS So who am I helping? No one presently, at least not in the sense I've talked about in this diatribe. I'm hoping my putting myself on the line like this will help me do same. Not even really sure how I might go about it or with whom. But maybe a new thread along these lines would be appropriate. Share ideas etc. Hey...please don't get me wrong...this is a great List. I'm so thankful for the discussion that takes place here. I just get the feeling we're too closed off from the world, especially when I see comments like Zeke's. Folks outside of this List really need help. Big time help. But how? How do we help them? How do each of us who know better about what's happening help folks who don't or who are so entombed in the social milieu they've lost even an inkling of doing somethig different. Whatever...I'm rambling. Take care. - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Monday, August 28, 2006 4:20 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] 34.6 cents per kilowatt hour. PG Sure - I agree we need to have informed opinions. But remember - half the people have below average intelligence. Do you flush them? - victimize them? -??? They exist and their vote counts as much as yours. Sorry state of affairs but what can you do? I offer people free advice. Some use it - some waste my time and do what they were going to do. There are many people out there that are just not equipped. Nice people. Honest people - but so uneducated as to be alarming. And I think that is deliberate. Easier to manipulate that way. KirkZeke Yewdall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, there is a great conspiracy among companies, builders, etc, that people trust far more than they should, to bilk people out of money. But to argue that ignorance somehow absolves people of their responsibility in this, seems like a rather weak arguement. Alot of people who voted for Bush didn't know that he supports terrorism, tortue, air pollution, whatever else, because they only watch Fox news, if that. They just thought he was an upstanding president protecting the country. Does that absolve them of any responsibility in the mess the US is
[Biofuel] Blood Borders:the Middle East
Is there a new middle east in the making? courios about your opinion Fritz http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2006/06/1833899 ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] FYI - I'm back from Nova Scotia. What a great time!
Hey Mike, Way to go!! Congrats and good Luck to the newly wedd! Fritz - Original Message - From: Mike Redler To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2006 8:06 AM Subject: [Biofuel] FYI - I'm back from Nova Scotia. What a great time! Hi everyone,As someone who never placed much emphasis on the meaning of weddings, believes that a marriage is left to the interpretation of those who decide to make such a commitment and that it should NEVER include or require a government form or record, I conceded on July 15th. Sometimes it's good to pick fights wisely for the sake of maintaining harmony in one's (mostly conservative) family.The good news is that our wedding was a blast! It was an ethnic German (Bavarian) theme and roughly 1/3 of the guests were in traditional garb. That's right Fritz, for the men, that means Lederhosen!Last week, we spent our honeymoon in Baddeck - Cape Breton, Nova Scotia and absolutely loved it! I don't know if Bob reported back on his experience in that region but, I was amazed at their effort to conserve and protect nature. We took day trips on the Cabot Trail, hiked, bicycled and Kayaked. We had almost daily sightings of bald eagles and two close encounters with moose. We sailed on a schooner and spotted dolphins, puffins and other wildlife. Most importantly, we tried our best to "leave only footprints and take only memories".I'll try to get the pictures up somewhere in case some of you are curious.-Redler___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Check your Beliefs
Hi Bob, Keith was a bit faster (and for shure better )in responding to your mail than me there is only one thing i would like to add: When I notice injustice I speak against it at the least and when I can, DO something about it, without hurting others in the process. Basically, I do what I can to change the injustice to help If you cant live by these basic morals, then why bother quoting the bible . The bible then just becomes a tool to justify more crimes against humanity and oppression. I dont think the bible was meant for that . Thanks Keith for putting things in to perspectiv Greetings to all Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Check your Beliefs
Bob and all, here is an answer of my goog friend Shadi Hadjara,a Christian Palestinenser on your Mail Fritz Actually, the tactic of deploying suicide bombers against Israeli civiliansonly started in 1994 in retaliation to the Hebron Massacre. In March 1994,at the peak of the peace process between Israel and the Palestinians (wherePalestinians were begrudgingly accepting to give away more than 3/4 of theirancestrial land and control over most of their sovreignty over their newlyformed bantustans for peace), a Jewish settler in Hebron sneaks into theHebron mosque during morning prayers. He unloads his automatic rifle on thekneeling crowd killing 4 dozen and injuring another 100. The first suicidebombing took place 3 weeks later.As for rocket attacks, the 1967 six day war resulted in the murder of morethan 20,000 civilians by Israeli missiles. The 1982 three month Israeliinvasion of Lebanon resulted in the massacre of another 20,000 Palestinianand Lebanese civilians by Israel. So please don't squabble over a fewmissiles in the arsenal of resistence groups that only formed to defendtheir respective communities against a murderous enraged rogue state.In the context of what took place in the past, Palestinians would not havefiercely opposed Israel if the Zionist pioneers had decided to create astate in Uganda. The fact is that Israel was created over their land byforcefully pushing them out of their towns and villages. The precurssor usedto justify those atrocities in 1948 was the Jewish suffering in theHolocaust. When Europe de jure accepted Israel, it was not because theallied government believe in Israel's right to exist but for, what I believeis, the massive guilt of allowing the devestation of the Holocaust to runfor so long combined with the underlying anti-semitism that still remains.So basically, Europeans did not want the Jews in their midst but at the sametime felt that sending them off to their "ancestrial" land is much moreideal, humanely speaking, than sending them off to the gas chambers. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Check your Beliefs
So Bob, You are rigth on this,its about Land,Power Oil and Money and so on! The fact that the UNO did sanction the implantation of Israel is no consolation for the dispossest Palestinians,who have been driven of theire Land without compensation or all! That the Arabligue did oppose the implantation of Israel is no secret and the price for all this have been payed by the Palestinian Population! The Shabra and Shatilla Massacres and the rest of the atrocyties by the Israel Government on Palestinians can all be excused by your motion of "survival of the fittest" Well German Nazis had to stand trial for their Warcrimes and so i agree with all Holocaust sufferers (and the rest of the civil world) that there should not be any amnesty for Warcriminals! But explain me why the Shabra and Shatilla Massacres have not been punished despite the perpetrayers have been clearly identified? And explain me why we have a "Convention of Geneva" and why we have established basic Humanrigths if you can brush them away with "survival of the fittest" Now,i can not beliefe that all the things you have said are your real beliefes so i think you are sarcastic but you should realice that is exactly the problem in our society at the very most we are "sarcastic" the suffering of these people does not concern us to much after all its not hurting us directly or is it? Fritz - Original Message - From: Bob Molloy To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:11 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs Hey guys, It's a war; dirty, messy, cruel, inhuman andunnecessary - unless you happen to be a Palestinian yearning for your landback or an Israeli who's been threatened with annihilation since birth. It'salso a war that's been going on since mankind began. It's about land andreligion and culture and who dominates who. There are no rights and wrongsthere are only who wins and who loses. The winners write history and we moveon.Mike Weaver made the point when he wondered if he might be living on landowned by an indigenous people, a point which also applies to you too, Fritz,despite your disingenuous attempt to justify occupation of "unwanted" land.However, before you think of noble savages, remember that all those nicepeace-loving indigenes slaughtered and plundered their way through themillenia since they left Africa (where we all originated) to wherever theyfinally settled. The 19th century saw the last vestiges of this land grab.If you were a theologian you'd call it original sin. Darwin was earthier,and more enlightening, he called it survival of the fittest. You may takesides, wring your hands, jump up and down, talk about human rights but weare all - even those nice people in the rain forest who we think live inharmony with nature - guilty of genocide and dispossession. In the presentcase it's called the Arab-Israeli war. We'll know who was right whensomebody wins.And if you've forgotten how it all began, here's a brief sketch. I found iton my thumbnail.The UNO blessing on the establishment of Israel in 1948 was merely therecognition of a de facto situation. From that moment on Israel was de jure,i.e. a legal entity in international law. The Arabs disagreed. Five Arabarmies (Egypt, Syria, Trans-Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq - including theBritish-trained and armed Arab Legion) immediately invaded the fledglingstate. The world responded by clapping a total arms embargo on Israel.Against that the Israelis had nine obsolete aircraft, a few tanks, fewerthan 20,000 armed civilians -and balls. They won, and pushed out theirfrontiers to safeguard their collective backsides from future attacks.The attacks never stopped (rockets, mines, cross-border shelling andguerilla incursions) but the next big one came in 1967 - the so-called SixDay War. This time the Arabs meant business. Egypt closed the Straits ofTiran to all Israeli shipping, cutting off Israel's only supply route withAsia and stopping the flow of oil from its main supplier, Iran.President Nasser of Egypt challenged Israel to fight. "Our basic objectivewill be the destruction of Israel. The Arab people want to fight." Heordered all UN peace-keeping forces stationed on Israeli borders to leave.The UN complied without even calling a meeting. The Voice of the Arabs radiostation proclaimed: "As of today, there no longer exists an internationalemergency force to protect Israel. The sole method we shall apply againstIsrael is total war, which will result in the extermination of Zionistexistence". Syrian Defense Minister Hafez Assad was more blunt: "The Syrianarmy, with its finger on the trigger, is unitedI, as a military man,believe that the time has come to enter into a battle of annihilation.Nasser topped that: "We shall not enter Palestine with its soil covered insand; we shall enter it with its soil saturated in blood." He meant Israeliblood.The armies of Egypt, Jordan, Syria and Lebanon
Re: [Biofuel] Smacking the hornet's nest
Mike, what you are saying is,Palestine was British then? so how it became British?and thas this make the whole thing less hard for the Palestinians? What happened a hundred years ago should not happening anymore today! We came a long way to realize the wrongs of the past but instaed of garding that those attrocytis cant be repeatet we are turning a blind eye and excuse things with old rethoric.Your analysis sucks but then you are US Citicen and what can we expect from such! To my very own situation,i live in Quebec Canada on a piece of Land (a former open pit Graphit mine) nobody wantet so i got it fairly cheep.But then i am cleaning up the mess a US Mining companie had left and this for seven years now! i have put trouts in my lakes and had spent a lot of money for topsoil and plant trees and garden!And once i be finished (probably never) people will come and ask if the could live on my land and i will refuse the request if the show me the same attitude as you Fritz - Original Message - From: Mike Weaver To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 9:18 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Smacking the hornet's nest I can't say I am always a fan of the Israeli government right or wrong, and let's be honest, they've made some mistakes (but then look at the US gov't), but they arein an impossible spot. Do they need some nudging to do they right thing? Yes, but we all do.Let's stop and think, "Why are they where they are? - Because NO Western country would take then. Roosevelt turned away of boatload of Jewish refugees. They really didn't have a lot of options. In Poland, TWO YEARS after WWII ended, there was a massacre of Jews. I can understand why one might gamble on a boat trip to (then) British Palestine rather than go "home" to Europe.Personally, I think the whole idea was ill-conceived, and US should have settled the refugees in the largely unocupied American West. Heck, a state even.Besides, I think if you wait long enough, Fritz, you'll see the same behavior here anyway. We're already denying blacks the right to vote in some states, and it's pretty much illegal to be black in a white area after dark already. Step one is to confiscate the land owned byAfrican-Americans, [or Native Americans] evict them from it and use the landto build massive new subdivisions. Only whiteProtestant Christians may live in these subdivisions. - Check, doing that here.I notice you're in Canada - do you live in a house? Where did the land come from? A friendly Algonkin http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/algonquian/algonhist1.htm give it to you? I notice the Canadia Government has beenhaving a little trouble with its First Nation denizens - a few Mohawk lawsuits here and there. "Don't judge, so that you won't be judged.http://bible.cc/matthew/7-2.htmFor with whatever judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with whatever measure you measure, it will be measured to you.^3 http://bible.cc/matthew/7-3.htm Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but don't consider the beam that is in your own eye?Or, let he who is free from sin cast the first stone.-MikeFritz Friesinger wrote: Bob, i bett you havent wread the report of www.btselem.org http://www.btselem.org you would not talk such rhubbish! Fritz - Original Message - *From:* Bob Molloy mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:52 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs Yo Fritz, Yeah, right on Fritz. And just to prove it your ethnic forebears killed off six million of these bloody Jews only to have the rest of us dumb westerners stop them just before they'd finished the job. Now it's up to the poor Palestinians with only suicide bombers and Katushya rockets to carry on where the rest of us left off. We need to force the Israelis to open these roads, tear down their walls and move back onto their own territory so that the bombers in civilian clothing have a fighting chance to get closer to Israeli settlements. At least let's have a level playing field here. After it's all over and the Palestinians have finally established their Muslim state we can allow a few Israeli refugees into western countries just as long as they toe the line and run the garbage collection systems for us. Good one, Fritz, Bob. - Original Message ----- *From:* Fritz Friesinger mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:33 AM *Subject:* [Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs Forewardet by Fritz -- Check Your Beliefs By Charl
[Biofuel] Your Beliefs
Not to mention the unecessary use of two atomic bombs on the Japanese. Americans are the only ones ever to massacre human beings with nuclear weapons and yet they deem themselves to be the ones worthy of having them.huh?Joe Hey Joe, you speak my mind thanks Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Smacking the hornet's nest
rican-Americans, [or Native Americans] evict them from it and use the land to build massive new subdivisions. Only white Protestant Christians may live in these subdivisions. - Check, doing that here. I notice you're in Canada - do you live in a house? Where did the land come from? A friendly Algonkin http://www.accessgenealogy.com/native/tribes/algonquian/algonhist1.htm give it to you? I notice the Canadia Government has been having a little trouble with its First Nation denizens - a few Mohawk lawsuits here and there. "Don't judge, so that you won't be judged. http://bible.cc/matthew/7-2.htmFor http://bible.cc/matthew/7-2.htm%3EFor with whatever judgment you judge, you will be judged; and with whatever measure you measure, it will be measured to you. ^3 http://bible.cc/matthew/7-3.htm Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but don't consider the beam that is in your own eye? Or, let he who is free from sin cast the first stone. -Mike Fritz Friesinger wrote: Bob, i bett you havent wread the report of www.btselem.org http://www.btselem.org http://www.btselem.org you would not talk such rhubbish! Fritz - Original Message - *From:* Bob Molloy mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:52 PM *Subject:* Re: [Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs Yo Fritz, Yeah, right on Fritz. And just to prove it your ethnic forebears killed off six million of these bloody Jews only to have the rest of us dumb westerners stop them just before they'd finished the job. Now it's up to the poor Palestinians with only suicide bombers and Katushya rockets to carry on where the rest of us left off. We need to force the Israelis to open these roads, tear down their walls and move back onto their own territory so that the bombers in civilian clothing have a fighting chance to get closer to Israeli settlements. At least let's have a level playing field here. After it's all over and the Palestinians have finally established their Muslim state we can allow a few Israeli refugees into western countries just as long as they toe the line and run the garbage collection systems for us. Good one, Fritz, Bob. - Original Message ----- *From:* Fritz Friesinger mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:33 AM *Subject:* [Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs Forewardet by Fritz -- Check Your Beliefs By Charley Reese 03/17/06 -- -- Let's play a fantasy game to check on our belief in human rights. Let's suppose that in a mythical state, a governor announced a campaign to punish African-Americans for alleged violence. Step one is to confiscate the land owned by African-Americans, evict them from it and use the land to build massive new subdivisions. Only white Protestant Christians may live in these subdivisions. Step two is to connect these all-white Protestant Christian settlements to each other by a highway on which African-Americans are forbidden to drive. To facilitate control, the automobile tags for African-Americans will be a different color from the tags issued to white motorists. Checkpoints would be set up all around the state capitol to search and harass African-Americans trying to enter. Would you support such a plan? Would you hail that mythical governor as a man of peace? Would you go to your church congregation and ask the members to send money to the occupants of these white settlements? Would you lobby the federal government to subsidize this new apartheid state in our midst? I don't think so. I think most Americans would consider such acts an abomination, un-American and a mockery of everything both Christianity and the United States stand for. Well, if you would condemn such acts here directed against African-Americans, why won't you condemn identical acts committed against the Palestinians by the state of Israel? Those settlements you hear about are built on Palestinian land, and they are for Jews only. New roads that Palestinians are forbidden to use connect them. The entire West Bank is riddled with Israeli checkpoints, where innocent Palestinians are daily humiliated and harassed. A trip to a nearby village
[Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs
Forewardet by Fritz --Check Your BeliefsBy Charley Reese03/17/06 -- -- Let's play a fantasy game to check onour belief in human rights. Let's suppose that in amythical state, a governor announced a campaign topunish African-Americans for alleged violence.Step one is to confiscate the land owned byAfrican-Americans, evict them from it and use the landto build massive new subdivisions. Only whiteProtestant Christians may live in these subdivisions.Step two is to connect these all-white ProtestantChristian settlements to each other by a highway onwhich African-Americans are forbidden to drive. Tofacilitate control, the automobile tags forAfrican-Americans will be a different color from thetags issued to white motorists. Checkpoints would beset up all around the state capitol to search andharass African-Americans trying to enter.Would you support such a plan? Would you hail thatmythical governor as a man of peace? Would you go toyour church congregation and ask the members to sendmoney to the occupants of these white settlements?Would you lobby the federal government to subsidizethis new apartheid state in our midst?I don't think so. I think most Americans wouldconsider such acts an abomination, un-American and amockery of everything both Christianity and the UnitedStates stand for.Well, if you would condemn such acts here directedagainst African-Americans, why won't you condemnidentical acts committed against the Palestinians bythe state of Israel?Those settlements you hear about are built onPalestinian land, and they are for Jews only. Newroads that Palestinians are forbidden to use connectthem. The entire West Bank is riddled with Israelicheckpoints, where innocent Palestinians are dailyhumiliated and harassed. A trip to a nearby villagecan mean waiting in line at checkpoints for hours.Palestinians have died in these lines.After all of these humiliations, abuses, the housesdestroyed, the children killed, the olive treesuprooted, how do you think Palestinians feel aboutAmericans who support the Israelis no matter what theydo to the Palestinians? Don't take my word about theseabuses. Check out the Israeli human-rightsorganization at www.btselem.org/English.If you cannot condemn the flagrant abuses ofPalestinians by the Israeli government, then you areundoubtedly a bigot, the worst kind of racist pig whobelieves that Palestinians are some kind of subspeciesof the human race. If you do condemn in your heartthese terrible abuses, but are afraid to speak outabout them, then you are a damned coward.I listened in disgust to a congressional committeehearing on the Palestinian elections. It was all aboutwhat the Palestinians have to do. It was as if thecops, interviewing a child who had been raped by anadult, lectured the child on dressing provocativelyand of being in places she should not have been in.The Palestinians are the victims here. It is theirland that is occupied. They have no army. They are atthe mercy of the Israeli government. They don't have asuperpower protecting them from internationalsanctions and supplying them with billions of dollars.The United States should be telling Israel to get outof the West Bank and East Jerusalem, to dismantle itssettlements and checkpoints, and to allow Palestinianrefugees to return to or be compensated for the landthe Israelis stole.You want to know why we have a problem with terrorism?It's not Islamic fundamentalists or hatred of freedom.It's our support of Israel's unspeakable abuse ofPalestinians. Don't blame Osama bin Laden. Blame thepresident, Congress, the American Israel PublicAffairs Committee and all the cowardly Americans whopractice hypocrisy by claiming to be moral whilesupporting gross immorality committed against theirfellow human beings in Palestine.© 2006 by King Features Syndicate, Inc."Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut, that held its ground."- Anonymous ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs
Bob, i bett you havent wread the report of www.btselem.org you would not talk such rhubbish! Fritz - Original Message - From: Bob Molloy To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2006 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs Yo Fritz, Yeah, right on Fritz. And just to prove it your ethnic forebears killed offsix million of these bloody Jews only to have the rest of usdumbwesterners stop them just before they'd finished the job. Now it's up to the poor Palestinians with only suicide bombers and Katushya rockets to carry on where the rest of us left off. We need to force the Israelis to open these roads, tear down their walls and move back onto their own territory so that the bombers in civilian clothing have a fighting chance to get closer to Israeli settlements. At least let's have a level playing field here. After it's all over and the Palestinians have finally established their Muslim state we can allow a few Israeli refugees into western countries just as long as they toe the line and run the garbage collection systems for us. Good one, Fritz, Bob. - Original Message - From: Fritz Friesinger To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2006 1:33 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Check Your Beliefs Forewardet by Fritz --Check Your BeliefsBy Charley Reese03/17/06 -- -- Let's play a fantasy game to check onour belief in human rights. Let's suppose that in amythical state, a governor announced a campaign topunish African-Americans for alleged violence.Step one is to confiscate the land owned byAfrican-Americans, evict them from it and use the landto build massive new subdivisions. Only whiteProtestant Christians may live in these subdivisions.Step two is to connect these all-white ProtestantChristian settlements to each other by a highway onwhich African-Americans are forbidden to drive. Tofacilitate control, the automobile tags forAfrican-Americans will be a different color from thetags issued to white motorists. Checkpoints would beset up all around the state capitol to search andharass African-Americans trying to enter.Would you support such a plan? Would you hail thatmythical governor as a man of peace? Would you go toyour church congregation and ask the members to sendmoney to the occupants of these white settlements?Would you lobby the federal government to subsidizethis new apartheid state in our midst?I don't think so. I think most Americans wouldconsider such acts an abomination, un-American and amockery of everything both Christianity and the UnitedStates stand for.Well, if you would condemn such acts here directedagainst African-Americans, why won't you condemnidentical acts committed against the Palestinians bythe state of Israel?Those settlements you hear about are built onPalestinian land, and they are for Jews only. Newroads that Palestinians are forbidden to use connectthem. The entire West Bank is riddled with Israelicheckpoints, where innocent Palestinians are dailyhumiliated and harassed. A trip to a nearby villagecan mean waiting in line at checkpoints for hours.Palestinians have died in these lines.After all of these humiliations, abuses, the housesdestroyed, the children killed, the olive treesuprooted, how do you think Palestinians feel aboutAmericans who support the Israelis no matter what theydo to the Palestinians? Don't take my word about theseabuses. Check out the Israeli human-rightsorganization at www.btselem.org/English.If you cannot condemn the flagrant abuses ofPalestinians by the Israeli government, then you areundoubtedly a bigot, the worst kind of racist pig whobelieves that Palestinians are some kind of subspeciesof the human race. If you do condemn in your heartthese terrible abuses, but are afraid to speak outabout them, then you are a damned coward.I listened in disgust to a congressional committeehearing on the Palestinian elections. It was all aboutwhat the Palestinians have to do. It was as if thecops, interviewing a child who had been raped by anadult, lectured the child on dressing provocativelyand of being in places she should not have been in.The Palestinians are the victims here. It is theirland that is occupied. They have no army. They are atthe mercy of the Israeli government. They don't have asuperpower protecting them from internationalsanctions and supplying them with billions of dollars.The United States should be telling Israel to get outof the West Bank and East Jerusalem, to dismantle itssettlements and checkpoints, and to allow Palestinianrefugees to return
Re: [Biofuel] To Grid or Not to Grid?
Hi Ken, how about a 25KVA Genset run on Methanegaz? it seems to me Methane is the Way to go! Why... there is the transport and handling of the Biofuel a lot of manpower involved! You can set up a Methaneproduction with your Wast,the Bacteria will do the work for you and your own Methaneproduction will be put to good use instead of releasing it in the Athmosphere,where it contributes to global warming! with a budget of 17 US grands i would not hesitate ,its a one time spending,than you are homefree Fritz - Original Message - From: Jason Katie To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] To Grid or Not to Grid? is it to a workshed or is it to your house? if it is a house, i personally would start with a 25Kw generator for main power(on BD of course), and then next begin replacing big energy sinks like heating and cooling with geothermal, woodfire, heating oil(and all its variants), biogas, or solar/solar-thermal systems (preferably a mix for reliability). it will take a while, but after all is said and done, you can call out the PGE surveyor and rub it in his face.(oh BTW, show him the total cost and compare his first estimate, then tell him to take his 17000 powerline and stick it! ;D )JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED]- Original Message - From: "Ken Provost" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Saturday, July 15, 2006 6:35 PMSubject: [Biofuel] To Grid or Not to Grid? Just got the quote from PGE for the hookup to a power line 700 ft away -- $17000 USD ! Granted, a good standalone system would be at least twice that, given my love of power tools and radiant floor heat :-) Still it's offensive to just cave in to them, and it's almost like they priced the connection at the maximum that would still be (barely) advantageous to accept. I'm tempted to stay offgrid just for 700 feet -- any thoughts would be welcome. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.0/388 - Release Date: 7/13/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.10.0/388 - Release Date: 7/13/2006___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ants
Hi Jason, Ants are milking Lice,as we milk cows,so why should they destroy theire Livestock? You would need the Ladybug this is the one killing the Lice and other Parasites! Good luck with your Garden Fritz - Original Message - From: Jason Katie To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 7:02 PM Subject: [Biofuel] ants i noticed that there are large numbers of ants in my wife's herb planter, and i have also noticed a /major/ decrease in bug eaten leaves. do some species of ants hunt these pest bugs? or is it just because of the aging cycles of these pest bugs caused them to move on?JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 7/7/2006___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] ants
An other thing, if you want to get rid of your Ants,put Tomatoeleafes around the infestet Aerea and the Ants will leafe the place Fritz - Original Message - From: Jason Katie To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 7:02 PM Subject: [Biofuel] ants i noticed that there are large numbers of ants in my wife's herb planter, and i have also noticed a /major/ decrease in bug eaten leaves. do some species of ants hunt these pest bugs? or is it just because of the aging cycles of these pest bugs caused them to move on?JasonICQ#: 154998177MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 7/7/2006___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Bureaucrats knew Kyoto unattainable: documents - National Post - 2006.06.20]
Hey Darryl, so the major issues where blacked out,so we dont know its those damned Oilsands in AB and the way to reffine them what causes the problem! One thing is shure dow,Albertans gona take a lot of money over the Jordanriver on Judgementday Fritz - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 9:06 PM Subject: [Biofuel] [Fwd: Bureaucrats knew Kyoto unattainable: documents - National Post - 2006.06.20] OTTAWA - The Conservative government's much-criticized admission thatCanada cannot meet its requirements under the Kyoto climate-changeprotocol is backed up by documents prepared for the new government byfederal bureaucrats.The documents, obtained through a request made under the Access toInformation Act, indicate public servants at the Natural Resourcesministry had already concluded targets accepted by the previous Liberalgovernment were unattainable, and were waiting for the right moment toadmit it.In material on climate-change policy prepared for the new NaturalResources Minister, Gary Lunn, in March, department officials suggestedthere were three "key issues" facing the newly elected government.No. 1 on the list was: "Whether/when to acknowledge that Canada will bevery unlikely to meet target?"The target in reference is Canada's Kyoto commitment -- which is to cut,by 2012, greenhouse gas emissions to 6% below 1990 levels, as agreed toby the Liberal government in 1997. Based on the most up-to-dateEnvironment Canada statistics, the country's carbon output had increased26.6% above 1990 levels and 34.6% above the country's Kyoto target.A number of pages and sections of the briefing material were blacked outor omitted, as department officials cited numerous confidentialityconcerns. For instance, three pages dealing with the issue of whether orwhen Canada should acknowledge its likely Kyoto failure were censored.That means the reasons why the department has identified this as the topkey issue for the Minister are not available.Bureaucrats generally prepare briefing material for ministers --including how government decisions are being implemented, hurdles aheadand a list of talking points ministers should stick to when answeringquestions. While politicians make policy decisions, such as adopting theKyoto protocol, it is up to bureaucrats to implement such orders.The Conservative government and its Environment Minister, Rona Ambrose,have been under regular assault since Ms. Ambrose declared Canada cannotmeet its obligations under the accord and therefore will not followthrough with a $10-billion strategy developed by the Liberal governmentto meet that target.The Liberal strategy consisted largely of buying foreign "credits" tooffset the continued high rate of emissions.Ms. Ambrose has said the government is working on a made-in-Canadaenvironment plan that will include realistic targets to be met within alonger timeframe.She predicted in a recent speech that other countries would followCanada's lead and admit they, too, cannot meet targets outlined in theKyoto protocol.Meanwhile, members of the House of Commons environment committeeexpressed frustration yesterday at Ms. Ambrose's refusal to testifybefore the all-party group about government plans. She declined arequest from the committee to appear this week before the session endsfor the summer break."It is fundamentally discouraging not to be able to question her,"Nathan Cullen, the NDP environment critic, told his Conservativecolleagues.-- Darryl McMahon http://www.econogics.comIt's your planet. If you won't look after it, who will?___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] SPHR
Hello Keith, Sabine asked me to foreward her Thanks for your help! Let me take this opportunity to invite You and the members of this list to visit the Solidarity for Palestinian Humanrigths www.SPHR.org Website and see for yourself what they are up to greetings to all Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Robert Fisk Article
Hello Keith!My daughter, Sabine, noticed on the Independent's website that Robert Fiskhad an article about the Canadian media and their treatment of storiesabout the Middle East or Middle Eastern communities in Canada.We can't access the whole article because we don't have a subscription tothe website. We were thinking that you might have one or know someone whodoes. It looks like a very good article worthy of forwarding widely,especially for those of us here in Canada. If you can, could you forwardit to me please?Fisk wrote the article while he was touring Canada for the Human RightsMedia Institute, a group Sabine is working with. He gave very interestinglectures notably about his new book; The War for Civilisation: theconquest of the Middle East.As you may have been following, there were 17 arrests in Toronto a fewdays back in connection with an alledged terrorist attack. Fisk's articletakes a critical look at the Canadian media's reporting about it amongother things.You should read it. It is, as always, a great piece of journalism.Thanks for your help,Fritz"Today's mighty oak is just yesterday's nut, that held its ground."- Anonymous ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Robert Fisk Article
Hello Keith, thank you a lot for your help. And let me assure you my gratitude for your staedy figth for a better world and for providing this Forum of distinguished Members. Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] R-2000 program gets mixed reviews
Hakan, the thing is not about controlled Ventilation,but more about mechanical controlled Ventilation! Here the replaced20 years ago Windows in our local Schools to install mosttly Fix Panes with very little openings on the Bottoms of the fixed Panes,to find out after 10 Years of use,that the Airducts hade all beeing contaminated! now they ripped everything out and call for new Windows.And guess who is the Architect... the same guy who did the job at first.At the time he dismissed my arguments about proper Ventilation and called me outdatad since in modern times Ventilation is done mechanical.Today they call for PVC Windows!How can you figth stupidity? Fritz - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 4:55 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] R-2000 program gets mixed reviews Who said that you should not use controlled ventilation and proper construction?HakanAt 16:49 05/06/2006, you wrote:Hi Guys;I had also heard that sealing up a house that tight leads to indoor airquality issues (especially if the ubiquitous OSB and MDFB materials areused along with all the carpet, and other textiles that are offgassingVOC's for a few years)and then heat exchangers are needed to recoverheat from exhaust air and in the end it is not a great idea all thingsconsidered. I am enrolled in a course this summer on how to build ahouse from straw bales. I am also interested in what you talked aboutFritz. I have also heard about rammed earth construction but don't knowanything about it. I wonder if it is even suitable for cold climates??JoeFritz Friesinger wrote: Hi Darryl, the R2000 Code wich says beside others :houses constructed using airtight seals and thick insulation that keeps heat from leaking away is not the very best way of constructing a energie efficient Home,because those Homes require forced Air Heating/Cooling! In Northamerica the Magic Formula seemes to be airtigth wrapings outside and Vaporbarriers inside the House,but the most energie efficient houses are Homes built with natural Materials who dont reqire Vaporbarriers (Cob- Log-or Straw houses) Myself i am trying to get people interestet in my project of building homes with double Log Walls from Larchwood (very cheep availible) filled with natural Insulation wich keeps the Wall breeding.The key is not to produce a thawpoint! This technique gives a totally natural Klimate in the home,better tha a handcraftet Loghome! I got sofare the major equipment together the Place/Workshop,but the constant Cashflow problem is slowly killing me! The conclusion therefore is,nowbody is interestet in good workmanship and good technique,everything is measured on quick return and spend al least to get the most!And this is the real american way of life! If you want to see my Portfolio go to www.traditionalwoodwork.ca http://www.traditionalwoodwork.ca Fritz - Original Message - *From:* Darryl McMahon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* Biofuel@sustainablelists.org mailto:Biofuel@sustainablelists.org *Sent:* Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:43 AM *Subject:* [Biofuel] R-2000 program gets mixed reviews R-2000 is the house construction standard developed in Canada decades ago to minimize energy use via insulation, weather-sealing and other technologies. Uptake has been minimal. Last I heard, less than 1/2 of one percent of new home construction in Canada meets this standard. Pity, because study after study shows it reduces life-time ownership costs, and would make a huge difference in making Canadians somewhat less of energy pigs. = http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2006/05/28/pf-1602659.html May 28, 2006 By DEAN BEEBY OTTAWA (CP) - One of Canada's oldest energy-conservation programs - the R-2000 standard for new homes - is under threat after an internal analysis found that very few homebuyers even care about it. The 25-year-old insulation standard has become one of the Kyoto-related programs that the new Tory government has put on hold as it conducts a sweeping review of greenhouse-gas spending. "With rare exceptions, home-buying consumers are not interested in GHG (greenhouse gas) emissions reduction aspects of housing, and are usually less interested in energy-efficiency than in other features of the house," says an internal report on R-2000, obtained under the Access to Information Act. About 10,000 homes have been built in Canada to the R-2000 standard since the program was introduced in 1981. Interest peaked in 1993, with 1,527 houses constructed using airtight seals and thick insulation that keeps heat from leaking away, but in recent years only about 300 have
Re: [Biofuel] R-2000 programm
Hakan, i think you missed my point,i dont say you should not build conventional Homes,its the Formula of Vapourbarriers and Windwrapping wich should not be written in Granit,my Formula would be Insulation,wich allow breathing of the Walls,in German called " Diffusionsoffen" i guess in english could be open fore diffusion! Fritz - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] R-2000 programm Fritz,I do not understand this dialogue, when you have a whole nation who on average use 1/3 of energy compared to US and 1/4 compared to Canada, based on equivalent to R-2000 from 1978 and R-1000 from 1958. I like log homes and your sales pitch have some values for home buyers, but it is not a nation wide recipe for conserving energy. I really hope that you sell more log homes, but doubt that they alone will have any major impact on the energy use.A country renew their building stock with between 1 to 2% a year and any serious conservation effort must therefore include much more than new constructions. Methods that can be implemented in refurbishing of buildings are therefore much more important. I doubt that log homes will fit very well in this picture.HakanAt 20:10 05/06/2006, you wrote:Hi Joe,you are rigth on with your comment!Those"Airtigth" Homes need to be serviced by mechanical Aircontrol,wich create again a energieconsumption by itself.Considerin lots of fixt Windows and the great ability of american Windowmakers to trow away all phisical Laws,you end up with Windows of sometimes very big dimention and ridicule small openings for Ventilation at the Bottom of the Windows,so the warm,humid air stays trappet in the upper part of the room or house.It is common knowledge, it takes more energie to keep humid air warm than to reheat cold air!Drywallconstructin is creating also a unhaelty klimat,so you need a humidifier and so on.Double Loghomes (machined dry Lumber T+G) can be built to Standards of Low-energie Homes with K-Value of 0,19W/m2k now i havnt been able to convert this into our R-Value but i am certain,it beats R 2000 by far.Combined a good craftet double Loghome with my 68mm Windows,you have there a Energie efficien home.Fore the Larchwood is to say,Larch is probably the best wood in the northern Hemisphere but have never beeing commercially used because it was in the old times to havy to float and it is so darn hard,that carpenters could not nail it.But with good machines its a peace of cake!There is an other apect talking for Larchwood: one dont need to treat the wood chemically for protection,the most you need to du is applying a coat of Linseedoil (for esthetics only)Windows and Doors from Larch are very durable to.If you consider the Whole Picture: Larch built homes are higly energyefficient,made from a readyly availible lowcost Source and for people with allergies the ideal Home.Combine this with excellent workmanship and you get a result that stand up for centurys (I know Larchbuilt homes with up to 800 years of age)I have no experiance in rammed eart construction,but would raise some doubts about such a technique for canadian climateFritz___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] R-2000 program gets mixed reviews
Hakan, these very insulation standards making Vapourbarriers an Windbarriers a must and Thats what is no good! Than your special ventilation Windows,if you want to say Tilt and Turn windows,i agree,thats what i am making! I dont agree with 3Layers of glass sinze you cut down on Sunligth too (Plants will die with triple Glass).One can achiefe a similar or better Insulation in increasing the Airspace and using Low E Technologie! The problem with mechanical Air make up is often when Powerfailiers occour and a possible contamination of Air duckts! So i personally prefere Ventilation by Windows Fritz - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk To: biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 8:51 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] R-2000 program gets mixed reviews Fritz,I agree with you, but it has very little to do with the insulation standard. In Sweden we have special ventilation "windows", and often mechanical ventilation with heat pump recuperation, very energy efficient even for one family homes. The ventilation windows are used for the rapid room ventilation that you want during cleaning etc. Windows are also three glass in the new 1978 standards, in which we were partially involved.After the 1973 crises, we participated in calculating several experiment houses, with our simulation software, some of them with insufficient ventilation and health, mold problems, etc. The result, among other things, were the ventilation/heat pump recuperation units, which also produces hot water, that now are available from all major suppliers and frequently used. There are also more advanced solutions with storage recuperation.The R-2000 is a good standard and quite optimized, higher insulation standard is very difficult to make functionally working and/or cost effective..HakanAt 13:17 06/06/2006, you wrote:Hakan,the thing is not about controlled Ventilation,but more about mechanical controlled Ventilation!Here the replaced20 years ago Windows in our local Schools to install mosttly Fix Panes with very little openings on the Bottoms of the fixed Panes,to find out after 10 Years of use,that the Airducts hade all beeing contaminated! now they ripped everything out and call for new Windows.And guess who is the Architect... the same guy who did the job at first.At the time he dismissed my arguments about proper Ventilation and called me outdatad since in modern times Ventilation is done mechanical.Today they call for PVC Windows!How can you figth stupidity?Fritz- Original Message -From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Hakan FalkTo: mailto:biofuel@sustainablelists.orgbiofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 4:55 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] R-2000 program gets mixed reviewsWho said that you should not use controlled ventilation and properconstruction?HakanAt 16:49 05/06/2006, you wrote: Hi Guys; I had also heard that sealing up a house that tight leads to indoor air quality issues (especially if the ubiquitous OSB and MDFB materials are used along with all the carpet, and other textiles that are offgassing VOC's for a few years)and then heat exchangers are needed to recover heat from exhaust air and in the end it is not a great idea all things considered. I am enrolled in a course this summer on how to build a house from straw bales. I am also interested in what you talked about Fritz. I have also heard about rammed earth construction but don't know anything about it. I wonder if it is even suitable for cold climates?? Joe Fritz Friesinger wrote: Hi Darryl, the R2000 Code wich says beside others :houses constructed using airtight seals and thick insulation that keeps heat from leaking away is not the very best way of constructing a energie efficient Home,because those Homes require forced Air Heating/Cooling! In Northamerica the Magic Formula seemes to be airtigth wrapings outside and Vaporbarriers inside the House,but the most energie efficient houses are Homes built with natural Materials who dont reqire Vaporbarriers (Cob- Log-or Straw houses) Myself i am trying to get people interestet in my project of building homes with double Log Walls from Larchwood (very cheep availible) filled with natural Insulation wich keeps the Wall breeding.The key is not to produce a thawpoint! This technique gives a totally natural Klimate in the home,better tha a handcraftet Loghome! I got sofare the major equipment together the Place/Workshop,but the constant Cashflow problem is slowly killing me! The conclusion therefore is,nowbody is interestet in good workmanship and good technique,everything is measured on quick return and spend al least to get the most!And this is the real american way of life! If you want to see my Portfolio g
[Biofuel] R-2000 programm
Hi Joe, you are rigth on with your comment! Those"Airtigth" Homes need to be serviced by mechanical Aircontrol,wich create again a energieconsumption by itself.Considerin lots of fixt Windows and the great ability of american Windowmakers to trow away all phisical Laws,you end up with Windows of sometimes very big dimention and ridicule small openings for Ventilation at the Bottom of the Windows,so the warm,humid air stays trappet in the upper part of the room or house.It is common knowledge, it takes more energie to keep humid air warm than to reheat cold air!Drywallconstructin is creating also a unhaelty klimat,so you need a humidifier and so on. Double Loghomes (machined dry Lumber T+G) can be built to Standards of Low-energie Homes with K-Value of 0,19W/m2k now i havnt been able to convert this into our R-Value but i am certain,it beats R 2000 by far. Combined a good craftet double Loghome with my 68mm Windows,you have there a Energie efficien home. Fore the Larchwood is to say,Larch is probably the best wood in the northern Hemisphere but have never beeing commercially used because it was in the old times to havy to float and it is so darn hard,that carpenters could not nail it. But with good machines its a peace of cake!There is an other apect talking for Larchwood: one dont need to treat the wood chemically for protection,the most you need to du is applying a coat of Linseedoil (for esthetics only) Windows and Doors from Larch are very durable to. If you consider the Whole Picture: Larch built homes are higly energyefficient, made from a readyly availible lowcostSource and for people with allergies the ideal Home.Combine this with excellent workmanship and you get a result that stand up for centurys (I know Larchbuilt homes with up to 800 years of age) I have no experiance in rammed eart construction,but would raise some doubts about such a technique for canadian climate Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] R-2000 program gets mixed reviews
Hi Darryl, the R2000 Code wich says beside others :houses constructed using airtight seals and thick insulation that keeps heat from leaking away is not the very best way of constructing a energie efficient Home,because those Homes require forced Air Heating/Cooling! In Northamerica the Magic Formula seemes to be airtigth wrapings outside and Vaporbarriers inside the House,but the most energie efficient houses are Homes built with natural Materials who dont reqire Vaporbarriers (Cob- Log-or Straw houses) Myself i am trying to get people interestet in my project of building homes with double Log Walls from Larchwood (very cheep availible) filled with natural Insulation wich keeps the Wall breeding.The key is not to produce a thawpoint! This technique gives a totally natural Klimate in the home,better tha a handcraftet Loghome! I got sofare the major equipment together the Place/Workshop,but the constant Cashflow problem is slowly killing me! The conclusion therefore is,nowbody is interestet in good workmanship and good technique,everything is measured on quick return and spend al least to get the most!And this is the real american way of life! If you want to see my Portfolio go to www.traditionalwoodwork.ca Fritz - Original Message - From: Darryl McMahon To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2006 11:43 AM Subject: [Biofuel] R-2000 program gets mixed reviews R-2000 is the house construction standard developed in Canada decades ago to minimize energy use via insulation, weather-sealing and other technologies. Uptake has been minimal. Last I heard, less than 1/2 of one percent of new home construction in Canada meets this standard.Pity, because study after study shows it reduces life-time ownership costs, and would make a huge difference in making Canadians somewhat less of energy pigs.=http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2006/05/28/pf-1602659.htmlMay 28, 2006By DEAN BEEBYOTTAWA (CP) - One of Canada's oldest energy-conservation programs - the R-2000 standard for new homes - is under threat after an internal analysis found that very few homebuyers even care about it.The 25-year-old insulation standard has become one of the Kyoto-related programs that the new Tory government has put on hold as it conducts a sweeping review of greenhouse-gas spending."With rare exceptions, home-buying consumers are not interested in GHG (greenhouse gas) emissions reduction aspects of housing, and are usually less interested in energy-efficiency than in other features of the house," says an internal report on R-2000, obtained under the Access to Information Act.About 10,000 homes have been built in Canada to the R-2000 standard since the program was introduced in 1981. Interest peaked in 1993, with 1,527 houses constructed using airtight seals and thick insulation that keeps heat from leaking away, but in recent years only about 300 have been certified each year.The standard originated in 1978, in the aftermath of the oil-price shocks, with a demonstration house built by the engineering faculty at the University of Saskatchewan that used half the energy of typical houses.But consumers have been wary of the standard. One federal study a decade ago found that energy savings were less than the higher construction and financing costs of R-2000, and that better returns were available in the stock market.Since 1995, the share of new housing built to the standard has fallen to a fraction of one per cent, even as energy prices rose substantially.Ottawa tried to put the program on a new footing after signing the Kyoto Protocol in 1997, making R-2000 part of basket of initiatives intended to help Canada cut greenhouse-gas emissions.But the Kyoto reorientation has also had little appeal for homebuyers, says the Jan. 26 internal report.R-2000 by itself is doing little to help reduce greenhouse gases by 300,000 tonnes in the new housing market, an informal target set for 2010 by Natural Resources Canada.The program shared a $17-million budget with the popular Energuide program over the five years that ended March 31. Energuide has since fallen victim to the Tories' revamp of greenhouse gas strategies.R-2000, meanwhile remains in limbo along with 94 other Kyoto programs that are being re-examined."We are still waiting for confirmation of funding for this year and the longer term," Ghyslain Charron, spokesman for Natural Resources, said of the R-2000 program."We need to consider R-2000 in the context of all activities related to new housing."Charron, however, said that the aim of the program was always to encourage builders to construct more energy-efficient housing, even if they did not actually seek certification under the standard."The objective is to have the industry adopt the
Re: [Biofuel] Wood
Hi, we up here in Canada split the Wood rigth in the cold winter,when everything is hard frozen.It takes half the efford to due the job!The hardes Maple,Birch,Ash and Oak splits very well wth a simple strike of an Axe. Elm is an other thing,almost not splittable by hand since the crossgrain holds the Fibres very good together,but Elm (dry) burns very well and leafs almost no Ashes. The cathegorys of softwood and hardwoods are basically wrong in Context,as it was mentionned before,Larch or Tamarack ist a very hard pinacaea(confere)Tree and should therefore not be classified as softwood! Larch is one of the northern hemisphere best Wood for construction and in northamerica not commercialized becaus it was to havy to float (in the old Times) and for american constuction not suitible becaus to hard to nail. I am working on a project to build prefab doublewalled Loghomes from Larch. Larchwood is very decayresistent and therefore suitible to build chemicalfree houses sinze the wood will be treatet with Linseedoil only. The Concept of my project is standing,there are only a few minor hurdles to finalize it. Oh and to add,i know of houses built from Larchwood with more than a few hundret jears of age,thats what i call sustainable.. Fritz - Original Message - From: Thomas Kelly To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Wood Mike, Have you ever split straight grained ash? Sections 2 feet in diameter yield to 1 or 2 swings of the axe with a soulful cracking sound. Makes one feel a bit like Paul Bunyan. Burns good seasoned or not. Only problem is, many were killed off by disease several years ago here in Northeast US. For a while there was plenty of standing dead to take. I still have two living ash trees on my property, but wouldn't think of cutting them down. I've never had a complaint about splitting oak, unless its real knotty. Tom- Original Message - From: "Mike Weaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Saturday, May 13, 2006 10:54 AMSubject: [Biofuel] WoodI heat w/ wood and in my experience oak splits pretty well, better than hickory or elm. On the other hand, I tend to cut in in 12" rounds to split and I use a very heavy maul. Some wood, like pear, burns well and it easy to split, as it almost shatters. Other wood, like box elder, is impossible to split and doesn't burn worth a hoot. Skip willow entirely. Locust is hard to split but you can burn it pretty much w/o seasoning as it is very dry. Elm is very wet and and I usually have to season it for a good long time. I've changed my opinion of mulberry - I used to hate it because it's a weed tree, but now I like it as it burns well, grows quickly and is easy to get. -Mike Jason Katie wrote:oak in fact does not split cleanly, and hickory is a real monster to splitw/o a hydraulic ram splitter- Original Message - From: "Zeke Yewdall" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Friday, May 12, 2006 4:38 PMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel CatalystAh, interesting definition. I've never tried to split anything likeoak or hickory or such, so I didn't even think that they might notsplit nicely.On 5/12/06, A. Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:As I understand it, hardwoods when split with an axe will not necessarily'go with the grain' of the wood, whereas softwoods (fir, hemlock, etc)will... Nice smooth splits, no splintering off to one side, whichhardwoodscan, but not always will...HTH Al- Original Message -From: "Zeke Yewdall" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSent: Friday, May 12, 2006 6:57 AMSubject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel CatalystOften all broadleaf trees are called hardwoods, and all conifers arecalled softwoods, but that's not really true. For example, aspenshave much softer wood than do larch. I'm not sure of a technicaldefinition -- a certain hardness or strength or something? Or in thiscase it seems like we're looking for a certain chemical composition,which could vary with soil type as well?ZOn 5/11/06, Scott Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I'm not an expert in these matters, but I know that Oak and I thinkWalnutand Maple are hardwoods. I'm not sure about elm and cherry.Sounds to me like it'd be a good source.--Scott Burton-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason KatieSent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 4:57 PMTo: Biofuel@sustainablelists.orgSubject: Re: [Biofuel] New Biodiesel Catalystmy father is a forester, and is very much involved with resourcemanagement(hes the coordinator) at a forest preserve where i grew up, everythreeyears a logging company is called in to thin out a small section ofthepark, and
[Biofuel] Poll in favor of bombing Iran
Hi Mike, What's the deal in your country? Is your government walking in lockstep with the will of the overwhelming majority of the "ordinary" citizens? What is "ordinary" anyway I'll leave it at that for now.My government would not dare to nuke anybodys Country,its already enough for us if we have to due "Peaceceeping" ,and this only because of the mess your very government has createt! As Keith had put it, you guys have a very short memory and pretty selectiv too! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Please read
Hi Keith, indeed your story is very enligthening,a little footnot i like to add: The South African government when seeking to establish the "black cantons"came to Canada to learn about Canada's First Nation's reservationsystem... Since it was such a huge "success" in the eyes of Westerngovernments. They didn't go to the US for that. Nope... Canada Notsomething to be too proud of! Fritz ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
