Re: [Biofuel] home made fuel cell and other interesting pdf links
http://www.biofuels.ca/page17.html is an agent for Canada and the US. Komet presses. German tech. Press the oil and make some biodiesel from it (soy or corn)The residue in meal for animals or fertilizing. Have a nice day. Luc - Original Message - From: Steve Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 11:21 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] home made fuel cell and other interesting pdf links I am new to this site and have been following and trying to find some info for a few weeks. I guess I will just ask. I have a large farm and a large source of corn and soybeans from farming. I am very interested in knowing if there is an economical way I can either make my own biodiesel or ethanol for my tractors and/or trucks for my own use and possible sell excess. Is this a process that would save me $$? Corn and soy prices are very low so I am losing money growing them. Poor dirt farmer in PA, Steve Hess -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alt.EnergyNetwork Sent: Friday, April 22, 2005 6:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Biofuel] home made fuel cell and other interesting pdf links Hi all, Just added some new pdf files on how to make a home made fuel cell, peak oil, hydrogen and future transportation tech. You can find them here. regards tallex http://www.alternate-energy.net/pdf03.html Alternate Energy Resource Network 1000+ news sources-resources updated daily http://www.alternate-energy.net Get your daily alternative energy news http://groups.yahoo.com/group/next_generation_grid news resources forums http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tomorrow-energy Alternative Energy Politics http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Alternative_Energy_Politics/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution
- Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 6:10 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution Luc, Sorry but my earlier reply was sent by itself and without following comment. You are right, but I think that many Christians also should learn respect or please keep their crap for them self. It is numerous times that I met representatives for the Christian religion, that in an abusive way promote their religion and demand respect for it, without them self having any respect for what others belive in. This I say, even because my denomination would officially and by birth be Christian protestant. I am sorry, but I fail to see in what way Ken did not show respect, he declared what be belive and did a general comment about religious variant in general. In mathematics X stand for unknown denomination And were we speaking of mathematics I would agree. and I think that in this case it was meant as such. You can believe that if you want to,however anyone who has been around confirmed atheists for any amount of time knows more than well that the X is a lot more than a generic symbol. It is meant the way it was used. Like Xmas is. Why are you so upset by not being especially mentioned, was it the lack of attention to your specific case? I am sorry to disappoint you but I do not suffer from adolescent temper tantrumus (my word). Luc - pinning for attention.ha! Hakan X-tian or whatever. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Objectivity
therefore I wish to express my sincere appologies to the list for this. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: US Diesel Options
Word to the wise; when you start burning B100 in your benz be aware that there is a screen sediment filter *inside* the tank that will gum up with the loosening crud from the dino. It looks like this: http://oem.overnightautoparts.com/parts/overnightautoparts/viewImage.jsp?image=img.overnightautoparts.com/live/E101087062MEY.JPG IMO it would be a good idea to strip the screening from the one you have and install an exterior in-line fliter at the tank's outlet. That way when it does gum up (and it will) you only have to spen a couple minutes on yor back to change it instead of having the car towed and the tank emptied out. This may occur a couple times. It cost me a bundle to learn this one. As for slowness in a Benz turbo of the 300 class, you have a thingy called the Alda that can be tweaked. How to tweak: http://users.vnet.net/w123d/w123d/adla.htm Benz's of that age bracket are particularly fond of biodiesel, mine sure is and I have a 1983 240D 4 speed manual (no Alda to tweak unfortunately) which *might* win a race with a little old lady in a wheel chair, but we enjoy it, class act. If the wagon is available for $3,000.00 and is in good shape jump on it. You could do a lot worse. Luc - Original Message - From: Chris [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:34 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Re: US Diesel Options Add to the '81-'85 Mercedes list: the wagon, the 300TD. '85 was the last year for the 5 cyl all cast iron motor. I searching for one to buy for my personal biodiesel project, I ran across a very nice well-maintained one in Allentown, PA. It is still for sale $3000. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more info. I just bought one locally and will keep the list updated as I move from test batches to the real thing. And no, they aren't slow. If it is slow it is not working properly. As much pick-up as a gas Volvo 240. OK, a little slow. Chris Kueny ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
the other night having a good look through it. Simple and efficient. maybe I could make some ethanol (vodka) for tinctures :-) or a fuel additive, hehe. Luc - Original Message - From: JD2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 5:22 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle G'day JD; Using a simple to make condenser. There is an example at the bottom of the 5 gallon processor at JtF http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor5.html . I have just finished one of these and am hooking it up to a pressure cooker. This is yet experimental, so don't run out and do it. The first use worked so so. Is this the same as the absolute alcohol process?Alcohol from methanol. Or is that something different again? JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution
Nice of you to denigrate CHRISTians like that . We are not X anything thank you very much. Either learn some respect or please keep your crap to yourself. You don't have to agree, but you don't get to denigrate either. Someone had a whack at sacred cows a while back, you should have learned from that. Luc - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 11:34 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Our Godless Constitution on 2/14/05 6:38 PM, knoton at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Our Godless Constitution by BROOKE ALLEN [from the February 21, 2005 issue] http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050221s=allen A breath of fresh air -- thanks! Having been an unabashed atheist for 90% of my long life, it's great to know that my hero Tom Jefferson wasn't even a real Deist (as I've always been taught), much less an X-tian like our rulers would have you believe. 'Course Tom has almost been drummed out of the Founding Father's Klub already, and our Revolution has been renamed the War of Independ- ence for decades now.. -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] question's
You can't. The car is crap, but I will gladly take it off your hands :-) Just is jest. Good car, by the way. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 6:45 PM Subject: [Biofuel] question's I was wondering if someone could help me find out how I can convert my 1980 Mercedes 300sd Turbo Diesel to biodiesel ? You need to do nothing to it, it will love the B100 as is, however there are things you need to be aware of concerning the filters ect. I have been doing some research but have not been able to find out what I need to do to the vehicle itself. Nothing. The only converting that could be done is if you wanted to run SVO (Straight Vegetable Oil) or WVO (Waste Vegetable Oil) directly in it, but biodiesel is fully compatible to any percentage with your car. You *might* experience some rubber hose failure, although this is not a guarentee. I am very new to all of this but am very interested in making it work it sounds so sensible I can't believe more people aren't aware of this alternative. We're working on it :-) I live in S.F.- Bay Area so if anyone has information for this area I would appreciate it. The beginning: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Luc Thankyou. Dina ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: New member introduction
Those of us who have a weathered Benz wouldn't think of going any other way. It must be one of those things. Luc - Original Message - From: Doug [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 1:17 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Re: New member introduction On Monday, February 14, 2005, at 11:38 AM, jh wrote: Your other choice is an old school MB but since some of them barely break 30 mpg and are glacially slow, I might just get a newer Ford Focus gasser that gets 35 mpg. 30 mpg for a very heavy, very safe/solid 4-dr sedan running on any form of Bio-diesel is one hell of a lot preferable to ANY 'gasser' @ 35 mpg. I was always impressed with the 30+ miles/gallon my 1980 300D gave me. In addition this 59 yr old life-long car-freak will state without hesitation, that the 300D was THE best car I've ever driven. The best handling, the safest, the most road-worthy by far. I'm not a reluctant or slow driver. I was warned I'd not be satisfied with the Mercedes because it would be slow. I never was!! I pushed the (#*%%*^$ out of that car and was always happy with the performance. It's a heavy, well-made diesel torgue-monster - it can take it. In addition, mine wasn't even the turbo-diesel! I'm now looking for another - the best I can find to replace my newer gas Mercedes. These babies are not only a smart buy for bio-fuel folk, but they are nothing less than the best cars on the road! (o.k. I have a bias). Also, they imported some MB diesels in the mid-late nineties. Again... great cars! Doug Smith P.S. By the way, the Mitsubishi Coup that slammed into me from behind and drove me totally through a major intersection... was destroyed all the way up to the windshield. My 300D was totally unscathed! The only sign of being hit was a few pieces of glass embedded in the hard rubber on the back bumper! Can a Focus take that? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] ethanol stove and barbeque
An ethanol BBQ ? You do know what you are doing right ? This is not a gas gas, it is a liquid gas, like gasoline, and in fact can be substituted for gasoline in many applications. Wanna know how to build a still? http://www.moonshine-still.com/ How to, step by step. The legalisms are your responsibility. CCRA eh ? Hope it goes well for you. $5,000.00 eh? Ouch ! Luc PS; Beautiful puppies. Mine was a blend of Golden with Rottweiler.He is missed. - Original Message - From: John Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 8:40 AM Subject: [Biofuel] ethanol stove and barbeque Hi, New to the list so I have a lot of catching up to do.. The ethanol barbeque that I am working on uses wate from restaurants to make the mash ie potato peelings and apple peelings . The still is a used eletric hot water heater with two elements one on the bottom and one on the top should make control of the temperature a snap. Still waiting for exise Canada to give me a permit. to try it. At the last go they said they will require a $5000.00 bond before I am able to try it. The barbeque itself will be modified. I plan to take the tank apart and put a pipe in it so that the alchol is drawn off from the bottom. I will put an air valve in the top and use an existing compressor or a 12 volt air compressor set to maintain at 5-15 lbs in the tank. Exise Canada said they will get back to me at the end of February. Yours truly John Wilson Goldens *** Wilsonia Farm Kennel Preserve Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ph-Fax (902)665-2386) Web: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/new.htm Pups: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/pup.htm Politics: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/elect.htm http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/goldens/c68.htm In Nova Scotia smoking permitted in designated areas only until 9:00 PM . After 9:00 it is okey to kill everyone. ^^^ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Thank you Keith The Indian Seed Act and Patent Act:
Luc - Original Message - From: DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 15, 2005 2:53 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Thank you Keith The Indian Seed Act and Patent Act: Phil and Keith, Dear Keith - Excellent article and have not posted awhile because of my new job. I will read and re-read this article. I hope our lawmakers take time to really study the issues. I studied Plants and Plant Genetics and Plant Taxonomy (Dendrology) as undergraduate. The issue of seeds and hybrid vigor was a great discussion in the early days (1970s). Things have changes so much since that time. My very pesimistic outlook on legislation like this is that the legislators are in the pockets of industry which seeks to patent and license just about everything. This is very evident in the field of computers and software. Putting this together with GM research (not the least of which is the Terminator) it follows that industry seeks to control every facit of every industry. Its the ultimate form of capitalism and extortion (synonyms?). -dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
- Original Message - From: JD2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 2:04 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making By evaporation...Is there an easy, non-expensive way of doing this using standard eqipment that could be purchased anywhere in the world (i.e. the UK)? Using a simple to make condenser. There is an example at the bottom of the 5 gallon processor at JtF http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor5.html . I have just finished one of these and am hooking it up to a pressure cooker. This is yet experimental, so don't run out and do it. The first use worked so so. It evaporated the methanol although the lid wasn't secure enough and I got leakage of methanol and around a heat source that is counter-indicated as the stuff is very volatile, so I am modifying the lid of the pressure cooker to be more hermetically sealed in order to send all the vapours into the condenser. My condenser is almost identical to the one at JtF except that I used T fittings for the water inlet and drain. The in/out side of the T is threaded for standard 2 and so I used a fine thread bung cap with 3/4 thread incorporated in the cap and plumbed a hose barb to it and then clamped the hose onto the barb. Sealing the end caps was also a challenge. I tried epoxy, but it cracked and leaked, so I then remembered using a thing called Goop http://www.naturalhandyman.com/iip/infxtra/infgoo.shtm to fix a bit of trim that had come loose on the Benz, and this is cold weather and damp as well and it is still holding perfectly a year later, so I Goop-ed the copper tubing exiting the end caps with this stuff and it is holding up quite nicely, no leaks. I hope to have pics available soon.I have pics of the condenser but am waiting until I can get the unit working properly before posting about it all. Luc JD2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Glycerine soap making
the 15% :-) Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Creation Care - What Would Jesus Drive
First off, nowhere in the Bible will you find the words trinity, it is manufactured. So-called evangelicals love to waste their and our time with this kind of stuff instead of putting their time into more important issues, like stopping the support for endless wars and criminal political states. On the other note, when man was given the majesty of choice it meant that he was responsible for what he does with it; it is just too convenient toblame God for everything man, of his free will, does. If things are screwed up (it's rhetorical, of course they are) we must look a little closer to home, like the mirror for example. Luc - Original Message - From: DHAJOGLO [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 14, 2005 12:59 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Creation Care - What Would Jesus Drive The New Testament clearly proclaims that as the Second Person of the Trinity, Christ created the universe and continues to sustain it. As such, all of creation belongs to Him. He is Creator, Sustainer, and Owner. (Heb. 1:2-3; Col. 1:16-17, 19; Jn. 1:1-4.) This is what I see: Christ created the universe and continues to sustain it. Therefore, Christ is a sustanable resource. We should be drilling for, collecting, or otherwise using Christ to fuel our cars. Furthermore, if everything belongs to him then pollution too belongs to him (he is the owner afterall). Therefore, anything we do is actually his property and as such his problem. Sorry, but their intent is good but there methods are simply silly. -dave ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making
- Original Message - From: JD2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 13, 2005 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerin soap making Thank you for this thread. It is one of the best threads at the moment because it is constructive. When you make boifuel you are left with alot of glycerin we all know that. What we don't know is what this glycerin can be utilised for. Also if the glycerin is from a wvo reaction to make rem or ree whether it is suitable for making soap or not. Yes, maybe, and that is the experimenting part :-) There is a lot of info at JtF about soap making too, have you snooped it ? Also about seperating the FFA's from the glycerine. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycsep.html http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html JD2005 Presumeably lye water would be realy an ideal method of making soap from glycerin. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Creation Care - What Would Jesus Drive
Actually the question is moot and quite academic. One merely has to apply the lessons that Jesus taught to come to within a reasonable and sufficiently precise answer, but what is the point ? If we follow what it is He taught then the answer is : exactly what we are doing.Not only is it in keeping with the protectorate of the planet but also in keeping with love thy neighbour in that if you love him (her) you will not want to do anything that will harm him (her) and that includes mucking up the environment that we all must share. It all come around to the same circle of consideration for others that fosters the same response (or should) and the circle self propagates. A whole lot like you reap what you sow and the Eastern equivalent of good or bad Karma, what goes around comes around ect. all based in the same truth. Sustainability in all things was the original plan for Creation, as clearly seen in the self rejuvenative properties of all life forms. It wasn't until greed and the other lovely (not) attributes of those not so inclined to share anything with anyone that it started going south, and so it continues. So, what *would* Jesus drive, if anything ? What is most in keeping with the basic foundation of all of what He taught is essentially the same question? Now apply it to everything else as well. It really is quite a dumb question once you think about it. Luc Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Canadian Government to Unleash Terminator
- Original Message - From: Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 9:32 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Canadian Government to Unleash Terminator Looks like I owe you an apology Luc...This is pretty hard core truth about your own country. Guess I didn't think you had it in you. Obviously, I was wrong. My education continues. Ah, but just because I don't feel all that crash hot about what the US is up to doesn't mean that I think that Canada's position on certain things isn't revolting. I am not a nationalist flag waver. If anything I believe I relate more to Keith's man-without-a-country scenario. I was born here but that was a long time ago and I have travelled and lived elsewhere quite a bit. Canada has made a mockery of itself in both cases I mentioned, not just this one. But where, except Canada, can you have a constitution that rests upon a thing called the notwithstanding clause ? You have all these constitutional rights up to the point where the government thinks it stands in the way of their program and then they pull out the notwithstanding clause and wipe out those so-called rights for a five year period, renewable by a vote. Canada's citizens have governmental permissions, not rights, even if the Constitution says otherwise; except for the notwithstanding clause which is always there hanging over their heads. This is why they can get away with stuff like holding a man in solitary for two years having not commited any crime and having posed no threat to no one, except perhaps by unpopular beliefs that rub a certain visble minority the wrong way. Wonder what they have to hide where they need the courts and laws to stop any question of their version of things ever being examined eh? Not the behaviour of innocent people by any stretch eh? Where else except a dictatorship-ruled demagogery do you see this stuff? Two ministers get together and sign off, in secret, to declare that a guy is a security risk then this guy is kidnapped from a foreign country, brought to Canada and jailed. The so-called judge in the case is so biased that to call the hearings a kangaroo court would be an insult to kangaroos.Lovely creatures kangaroos,just don;t get them pissed. Secret hearings with secret testimony which the defence has no right to, no cross, no nothing. Sounds odd eh? Canada ? Yup ! Still on going too. And the supreme court says this is all OK and constitutional. What a croc eh? Canada,our home and native land, we stand on guard for thee, Ha! Unless they mean that it is other people that will be doing the standing cause they haven't the courage to get off their knees groveling to special interests. So there, I have had my piece of Canada's butt too. Injustice knows no borders, neither does outrage. Luc I have checked all the local news sources around here and as I'm sure you can guess, not a one of them has any mention of this. I'm sure they wouldn't have even been aware of it either, wouldn't that is had you, and, by extension, I not made them aware of it. Will I see any mention of it in any of our local papers? I doubt it. But if I do, I'll either post a link to it, or take a pic and post a link to that. Anyone can check it out that way, or not. To me, this kind of cause and effect is both exhilarating,and frustrating. But in the end, whether the information gets disseminated, or not, they knew about it. AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine soap making
You are relating to SVO soap no? Like an olive oil castille? What I am on about is using the glycerine by-product from biodiesel production and converting that into a usable soap. So far so good by the way. Everything is hardening up nicely, as expected (hoped). Now only leaves to see what becomes of it once it has cured for awhile. Luc - Original Message - From: Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 9:52 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine soap making I have been making my own soap for about 14 years now. The only real secret that I have found in regards to fantastic foaming action of your soaps is the inclusion of coconut oil (c.o.) in your recipe. I am aware that a few of the more popular websites, and even books written on the subject, warn against using too high a percentage of c.o. because of its drying effects on the skin. However, I keep the percentage of c.o. in my soap between 20% and 40%, and haven't had any problems with excessively dry skin. Common sense must also come in to play of course. If you start with dry skin, you would definitely want to stay on lower end of those percentages with c.o., and increase the hydrating oils like olive, and settle for less foaming soap. AntiFossil Mike Krafka USA - Original Message - From: Phillip Wolfe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:21 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine soap making Dear Legal Eagle, There is an industrial and commercial method of using refined glycerin for the manufacturing of natural soaps and detergents (and the harsher soaps too). As JFT advocates, there is a personal quest too - making your own stuff. In the industrial and commercial world there is a worldwide glut of glcyerin! compared to a couple years ago. I've been following this recently. But on the personal level, me thinks the idea of making homegrown soaps is pretty neat. It can be Family get together like making ice cream! Take care and good luck! --- Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What to do with the copious amounts of glycerine by product ? We can follow through with the seperation of the components an get a close to pure glycerine, providing we have a market for it, or we can use it to make soap. JtF has a few good articles on that too. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html I am in the process of experiementing with a couple recipes that, I hope, will give a fairly decent usable product. I have used some as a body soap and it works great, however very little foamong action and that is a problem in most circles, so I am trying three diffenrent approaches. 1) 100ml water with 10gr NaOH per liter of glycerine by product 2) 150ml water with 15gr NaOH per liter of glycerine by product 30 200ml water with 20gr NaOH per liter of glycerine by product Firstly the methanol must be removed/recovered by raising the temps above 65C (148.5F) and then the NaOH disolved into a little more than warm water. Once the glycerine has cooled a bit, to about 43C (110F) then mix in the water/NaOH while stirring for about a minute or two. Pour into a mold and let settle. How long will be subject of another post when I have it figured out :-) The first one has had two weeks to settle out anything that was going to do that and it did. Some gelatenous substance caked a portion of the hardened glycerine and had to be scrapped off, but the result was still solid bars. The second and third recipes are yet to be finished however they already show more potential, primarily the third which began solidifying almost immediately and shows good promise. I shall keep you posted as to the success/failure of this as we go along. No sense throwing away a perfectly good product if it can be used eh? I am determined that it will. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ __ Do you Yahoo!? Read only the mail you want - Yahoo! Mail SpamGuard. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel
Re: [Biofuel] Creation Care -was: No Tomorrow
Despite wariness toward mainstream environmental groups, a growing number of evangelicals view stewardship of the environment as a responsibility mandated by God in the Bible. And now they only need to extend that to include the sanctity of other peoples' lives, like no support for criminal states that openly practice apartheid and genocide (Israel vs Palestinians) and then extend it yet further to include no support for warmongers (same bunch again only by proxy). Me thinks they have a very long way to go to not be associated with liberals, however this pastor seems to have begun on the right track, although he still suffers from groupthink and that may be a killer right there. Luc - Original Message - From: MH [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 2:41 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Creation Care -was: No Tomorrow The Greening of Evangelicals By Blaine Harden The Washington Post 06 Feb 2005 http://www.truthout.org/docs_2005/E020805A.shtml Christian Right turns, sometimes warily, to Environmentalism. Seattle - Thanks to the Rev. Leroy Hedman, the parishioners at Georgetown Gospel Chapel take their baptismal waters cold. The preacher has unplugged the electricity-guzzling heater in the immersion baptism tank behind his pulpit. He has also installed energy-saving fluorescent light bulbs throughout the church and has placed water barrels beneath its gutter pipes - using runoff to irrigate the congregation's all-organic gardens. Such creation care should be at the heart of evangelical life, Hedman says, along with condemning abortion, protecting family and loving Jesus. He uses the term creation care because, he says, it does not annoy conservative Christians for whom the word environmentalism connotes liberals, secularists and Democrats. It's amazing to me that evangelicals haven't gone quicker for the green, Hedman said. But as creation care spreads, evangelicals will demand different behavior from politicians. The Republicans should not take us for granted. There is growing evidence - in polling and in public statements of church leaders - that evangelicals are beginning to go for the green. Despite wariness toward mainstream environmental groups, a growing number of evangelicals view stewardship of the environment as a responsibility mandated by God in the Bible. The environment is a values issue, said the Rev. Ted Haggard, president of the 30 million-member National Association of Evangelicals. There are significant and compelling theological reasons why it should be a banner issue for the Christian right. In October, the association's leaders adopted an Evangelical Call to Civic Responsibility that, for the first time, emphasized every Christian's duty to care for the planet and the role of government in safeguarding a sustainable environment. We affirm that God-given dominion is a sacred responsibility to steward the earth and not a license to abuse the creation of which we are a part, said the statement, which has been distributed to 50,000 member churches. Because clean air, pure water, and adequate resources are crucial to public health and civic order, government has an obligation to protect its citizens from the effects of environmental degradation. Signatories included highly visible, opinion-swaying evangelical leaders such as Haggard, James Dobson of Focus on the Family and Chuck Colson of Prison Fellowship Ministries. Some of the signatories are to meet in March in Washington to develop a position on global warming, which could place them at odds with the policies of the Bush administration, according to Richard Cizik, the association's vice president for governmental affairs. Also last fall, Christianity Today, an influential evangelical magazine, weighed in for the first time on global warming. It said that Christians should make it clear to governments and businesses that we are willing to adapt our lifestyles and support steps towards changes that protect our environment. The magazine came out in favor of a global warming bill - sponsored by Sens. John McCain (R-Ariz.) and Joseph I. Lieberman (D-Conn.) - that the Bush administration opposed and the Republican-controlled Senate defeated. Polling has found a strengthening consensus among evangelicals for strict environmental rules, even if they cost jobs and higher prices, said John C. Green, director of the Ray C. Bliss Institute of Applied Politics at the University of Akron. In 2000, about 45 percent of evangelicals supported strict environmental regulations, according to Green's polling. That jumped to 52 percent last year. It has changed slowly, but it has changed, Green said. There is now a lot of ferment out there. Such ferment matters because evangelicals are politically active. Nearly four out of five white evangelical Christians voted last year for President Bush, constituting more than a third of all votes cast for him, according to the Pew Research Center. The
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine soap making
What I am doing here is experimenting in an attempt to make the by product useful to me. Best to follow the instructional links given in Keith's post about it for now. I will post any information once I have it. Kim: No volcanoes yet, not so much as a bubble. - Original Message - From: Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine soap making Hi, Thanks for writing some about making soap from the glycerin by-product. You write about 10 grams (or more) of NaOH per liter of glyc. How or what do you count the already used amount of NaOH during the BD proces, which we find back in the by-product ? Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands. Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine soap making
Luc - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 6:36 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine soap making G'day Pieter; What I am doing here is experimenting in an attempt to make the by product useful to me. Best to follow the instructional links given in Keith's post about it for now. I will post any information once I have it. Kim: No volcanoes yet, not so much as a bubble. - Original Message - From: Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 3:05 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine soap making Hi, Thanks for writing some about making soap from the glycerin by-product. You write about 10 grams (or more) of NaOH per liter of glyc. How or what do you count the already used amount of NaOH during the BD proces, which we find back in the by-product ? Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands. Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Canadian Government to Unleash Terminator
- Original Message - From: John Mullan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 6:36 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Canadian Government to Unleash Terminator I don't get it. Messing this much with nature is definitely NOT a good thing. Nature is very capable of fighting back. We have spent millenia evolving with the natural food. Can anyone say for certain that genetically modified food will not affect the animals of this planet (especially us) in the very long term? It will of course affect animal life, as these seeds will infest otherwise naturally growing vegetation and thereby sterilize it so that it will not reproduce the way it was intended so with it goes the food chain that depends on it for survival. When Corporate gets involved the problems start. Terminator seeds, not matter how hard anyone tries, will spread itself. Nature will see to it. Eventually, we will end up with a years harvest that NOBODY can replant. Including the commercial asses that think they are monopolizing. Where does that leave us AND them? It leavs us at their mercy for life sustaining food and that is the plan. All of these mono croping GMO group have the same agenda, food production control, and hense population control. Sound a little too conspiracy theory ? Maybe twenty years ago, but today, dunno. We'll die off of starvation and, in another couple millenia, nature will correct itself. I don't adhere to the milennia theory, however it does leave one to wonder if us dying off isn't the point. You know, like Kissinger's comments about culling out the useless eaters through population control (exctermination?). No amount of argument to the contrary can convince me otherwise. Nobody has a century of genetic engineering data to prove that it won't or can't happen. Don't need a milennia of anything, the very nature of this stuff should suffice. That, combined with known court battles where Monsanto et all have successfully sued farmers for being in possession of their trademarked seeds that were blown onto their fields from the poluted one next door let's us know what is what with GMO's. Why would Canada push for such a disaster ? Follow the money trail. Who benefits ? Who is behind it? It isn't you and me and it isn't the farmers who know better. Corporate. And who runs Corporate ? Funny how everything has a way of coming full circle eh? Luc John ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Ethanol and Biodiesel Production - Small Scale
Luc - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 3:48 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Ethanol and Biodiesel Production - Small Scale http://www.newrules.org/agri/smalleth.html New Rules Project - Agriculture - Ethanol and Biodiesel Production - Small Scale Ethanol and Biodiesel Production - Focus on Scale and Cooperative Ownership The conversion of biomass into ethanol and biodiesel provides farmers an additional market for their crops. Over the years, many federal and state rules have been developed to promote biofuels production for use in industry and reformulated gasoline. While this page does not include an exhaustive list of ethanol incentives, the rules on this page are unique in that they encourage ethanol and biodiesel production on a small scale. A decentralized, rural biofuels industry tends to favor a greater number of farmers over a wider area. Production credits for smaller facilities also promotes the formation of farmer-owned cooperatives that further increase returns to farmers. RULES * Biodiesel Mandate - Minnesota In March 2002, Minnesota enacted the nation's first biodiesel mandate that would require nearly all diesel fuel sold in the state contain at least 2 percent biodiesel by 2005 (earlier if certain conditions are met). Biodiesel is a fuel additive derived from animal fats or plant oil, typically soybeans. Proponents of the biodiesel requirement argue it would be a boon for the state's farmers and improve the state's use of alternative fuels. http://www.newrules.org/agri/biodieselmn.html * Biodiesel Use By School Districts - Missouri In 2001 the state of Missouri passed a new law that gives school districts an incentive to purchase biodiesel fuel for their bus fleets. The law begins with the 2002-03 school year and lasts through the 2005-06 school year. Any school district may contract with an eligible new generation cooperative to purchase biodiesel fuel for its buses of a minimum of B-20 (20 percent biodiesel). The state will then reimburse the school district so that the net price to the contracting district for biodiesel will not exceed the rack price of regular diesel. http://www.newrules.org/agri/mobiodiesel.html * Ethanol and Biodiesel Incentives - Missouri In 2002, Missouri enacted two incentive programs that will promote in-state, cooperatively-owned biofuels production. Targeted at increasing homegrown production of ethanol and biodiesel, the five-year incentive programs provide grants to producers that are at least fifty-one percent owned by agricultural producers actively engaged in agricultural production for commercial purposes in the state. Ethanol incentives include a payment of 20 cents per gallon for the first 12.5 million gallons and 5 cents per gallon for the next 12.5 million gallons. Biodiesel incentives are 30 cents per gallon for up to 15 million gallons of production. More... http://www.newrules.org/agri/mobiofuels.html * Ethanol Production Incentives - North Dakota In April 2003, North Dakota's Governor signed into law an Ethanol Production Incentive bill (Senate Bill ). The legislation implements the first program in the nation to create a market-based support system for the growing ethanol industry. The ethanol incentive operates on a counter cyclical feature that is market-based. It is not a fixed payment, but is provided to a facility when the price of ethanol drops or the price of corn increases to levels that make ethanol less profitable. Incentives are based on a combination of a $1.80/bushel price for corn and a $1.30/gallon rack price for ethanol (price at the terminal). More... http://www.newrules.org/agri/ethanolnd.html * Hawaii Ethanol Investment Tax Credits In early 2000, legislation passed in Hawaii to provide tax credits for the production of ethanol in the state. The new law will help sugar growers on Kauai and Maui by offering incentives to use molasses and other wastes as the feedstock for ethanol. Supporters also hope the possibility of using municipal solid waste as a feedstock will cut down on the amount of waste being landfilled. More... http://www.newrules.org/agri/haethanol.html * Minnesota Ethanol Program - A Model To meet its goal of replacing 10 percent of its fuel needs with ethanol, in the late 1980s Minnesota instituted a producer payment program of 20¢/gallon on up to 15 million gallons of ethanol per year for a maximum of 10 years. The payment is limited to in-state producers, and the small scale requirement has resulted in the formation of more than a dozen farmer-owned ethanol processing cooperatives. More... http://www.newrules.org/agri/ethanol.html * Wisconsin Ethanol Program Wisconsin's Act 55 provides ethanol producers a credit much like Minnesota's - beginning July 1, 2000 it will provide 20 cents per gallon for no more than 15 million gallons of production. The
Re: [Biofuel] PH meter calibration
Ph meters and calibration: http://www.eutechinst.com/tech-tips.htm As for where to find calibration fluid ? places that sell tropical fish and the tanks ect. You can probably find a good meter there too, I did. Works on both batteries and 110V. Luc - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] PH meter calibration Hello Jeremy I was wondering if anyone knows what PH the lye water for Titration should read on the ph meter. using the better titration method Um, dunno. Why would that be useful? I have made a good batch of BD using virgin oil, and have made alot of soap with wvo because my meter is off calibration. I am having trouble finding calabration fluid to calabrate my meter. See what the list archives has to say about calibration: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/?keywords=calibrationtime=allu sertime=2002-12-31 Information Archive at NNYTech Best wishes Keith Thank you, Jeremy ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] cummings engins
About 3/4 down the page there is the Universal Filter thing. http://www.dansperformanceparts.com/buggy/fuel/buggyfuel2.htm I have not personally tried these so it is up to you to decide if you want to use them. One thing, they're cheap :-) Or you could go with any in-line fuel filter installed before the main filter and before the pump ect so that it will capture most of the crud and thereby save on the more expensive main fuel filter. Benz comes with one and a screen sediment filter *inside* the tank. IMO that one should be stripped of it's screen and another in-line (accessible) one installed just at the outlet port from the fuel tank making changing them simple. Mine wasn't :-( Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 6:37 PM Subject: [Biofuel] cummings engins To all, I purchased a 1995 dodge truck with a Cummins engine in it. I am looking for a source of biodiesel before starting to make my own. I will need a source of inexpensive fuel filters. does any one know a supplier? I hear the tank crud will be flushed out. I think this truck will have a lot. Farmer Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Speed up your surfing with Juno SpeedBand. Now includes pop-up blocker! Only $14.95/month -visit http://www.juno.com/surf to sign up today! ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re:http://www.wnbiodiesel.com/
- Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 12:12 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re:http://www.wnbiodiesel.com/ any thoughts? Do you mean other than farmers being increasingly isolated from the profit stream from making/distributing biodiesel? No. Well, I take that back. If farmers universally united and isolated the feedstocks from the ADMs and Carghills of the world and concertedly focused on bio-regional processing of oilseeds and self-marketing/distribution of oilseed products rather than capitulating to the practice of centralized processing and ever thinner margins, then maybe there's some hope that they will benefit. Wouldn't I love to be the accountant for this distribution/marketing method. It wouldn't take but about two minutes to discern which are benefitting - farmers or the sham fronts for petroleum interests, such as World Energy. Sure. Sure. Same fuel. Same environmental and health benefits. Just the profits going into deeper pockets and not enough into the farmer's. And *that* is the problem with when corporate gets involved, the people who should be benefitting don't or not nearly as much as they should for the efforts they are required to put in. Should not so-celled alt fuels be kept at the local level ? Isn';t it somewhat the point after all, to make it a backyard, self sufficiency project ? Isn't letting corporate dictate all the rules the reason we're in the mess we are now in ? Changing the comodity isn't going to solve the problem if the root cause of it isn't extracted.IMHO Luc Todd Swearingen ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Glycerine soap making
through with the seperation of the components an get a close to pure glycerine, providing we have a market for it, or we can use it to make soap. JtF has a few good articles on that too. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_glycerin.html I am in the process of experiementing with a couple recipes that, I hope, will give a fairly decent usable product. I have used some as a body soap and it works great, however very little foamong action and that is a problem in most circles, so I am trying three diffenrent approaches. 1) 100ml water with 10gr NaOH per liter of glycerine by product 2) 150ml water with 15gr NaOH per liter of glycerine by product 30 200ml water with 20gr NaOH per liter of glycerine by product Firstly the methanol must be removed/recovered by raising the temps above 65C (148.5F) and then the NaOH disolved into a little more than warm water. Once the glycerine has cooled a bit, to about 43C (110F) then mix in the water/NaOH while stirring for about a minute or two. Pour into a mold and let settle. How long will be subject of another post when I have it figured out :-) The first one has had two weeks to settle out anything that was going to do that and it did. Some gelatenous substance caked a portion of the hardened glycerine and had to be scrapped off, but the result was still solid bars. The second and third recipes are yet to be finished however they already show more potential, primarily the third which began solidifying almost immediately and shows good promise. I shall keep you posted as to the success/failure of this as we go along. No sense throwing away a perfectly good product if it can be used eh? I am determined that it will. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine soap making
- Original Message - From: Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 2:16 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine soap making Hi Luc and everyone, I forwarded your email to my girlfriend. I thought she might have something to say about all this biofuel stuff. Anyway, she's pretty knowledgeable (PhD in chemistry - Dartmuth) and has a few comments about the process you are suggesting. If I developed a similar process and she had commented likewise, I'd be pretty happy about that (even if she makes me happy anyway). Nice job! Thanks, although I cannot take the credit for originality. Just like my reactor/wash tank design is an acumulation of other peoples' ideas that I fit to my particular situation so it is with this. http://eline2000.com/eline/articles/barsoap/barsoap.htm is the original. :-) Mike _ She writes: Hi Honey, Perhaps winter would be a better time to try not buying soap If you get really good at making bars, we can always try adding things like fragrances and cool designs, and then you can sell it... Yup ! In my case however there are people who have voiced an interest (if I can get it right) in non-fragranced glycerine based soap as they have reactions to the perfume in commercial soap. We didn't have the time to explain to them what the commecial hard bar soap actually has in it. In order to up their profit margins Corporate has removed the glycerine from the soap, however in order to make it still stay hard they add a special hardener (no, it doesn't start with a V) which is actually a promoter of bacterial growth (yuk), not so with soft soap. As far as the process goes, it sounds reasonable. I have two comments however. First, you really don't need to use a little more than warm water to dissolve NaOH; it is readily soluble in water and actually produces its own heat when you mix the two. Actually you do, in spite of the self heating properties, as you want it close to the temparature of the gkycerine you are pouring it into. I did one batch (which failed miserably) where the glycerine was still over 60C (140F) and the water/NaOH mix was just barely warmed and the thing took on a life of it's own. I mean it was bubbling and carrying on and ended up making sponge soap, ha! Useless anyway. Second, I would caution against increasing the amount of NaOH much above 15-20 g/L because NaOH is caustic and can burn the skin if it's too concentrated. Wise counsel. The original recipe called for, are you ready? 38.5gr/liter ! Afetr the disaster batch I figured I would never mind the recipe (like any good chef does) and go it by trials. I have no plans to go over the 20gr/liter though as that seems to be quite enough. Actaully I might even decrease it depending on what the results of the test runs give. The second and third ones look REALLY good at this point but we won't know until it has cured awhile and I take it into the bathroom and wash something with it, my hands most likely. LOL! Dry *hands* I can live with ... Now apparently using KOH produces a liquid soap as it doesn't harden like the glycerine with NaOH will, but that will have to be someone else's toy as I haven't started using that as yet. Seems that it would be simpler though, after all you don't have to worry about it getting hard. Luc I've attached an MSDS in case you would like to know more. Thanks again, I already have it. Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Honey, This one's on-topic. Maybe I'll stop buying soap this summer :-) Mike ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 1:25 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion snip And no, I couldn't give an ounce of catfish excrement whether you agree or not. /snip Whahahahahaha ! You breakin' me up. Luc Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Walt ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Canadian Government to Unleash Terminator
trial and keeping them for over two years in solitary to pushing for terminator crops you'd think Canada had indeed joined the coersion of the billing, only hypocritically so as not to appear like a bad guy. Busted ! Luc http://www.thecampaign.org/alert_terminator.php Date: February 7, 2005 ETC Group News Release 7 February 2005 www.etcgroup.org Canadian Government to Unleash Terminator Bombshell at UN Meeting: All-out push for commercialisation of Sterile Seed Technology A confidential document leaked today to ETC Group reveals that the Canadian government, at a United Nations meeting in Bangkok (Feb 7-11), will attempt to overturn an international moratorium on genetic seed sterilisation technology (known universally as Terminator). Even worse, the Canadian government has instructed its negotiators to block consensus on any other option. Canada is about to launch a devastating kick in the stomach to the world's most vulnerable farmers - the 1.4 billion people who depend on farm saved seed, said ETC Group Executive Director Pat Mooney speaking from Ottawa. The Canadian government is doing the dirty work for the multinational gene giants and the US government. Even Monsanto wasn't prepared to be this upfront and nasty. Canada is betraying Farmers' Rights and food sovereignty everywhere. Terminator technology was first developed by the US government and the seed industry to prevent farmers from re-planting saved seed and is considered the most controversial and immoral agricultural application of genetic engineering so far. When first made public in 1998, suicide seeds triggered an avalanche of public opposition, forcing Monsanto to abandon the technology and prompting the UN Convention on Biological Diversity (CBD) to impose a de facto moratorium on its further development. According to the leaked instructions to Canadian negotiators at SBSTTA 10 (a scientific advisory body to the CBD), Canada will insist on Wednesday (9 Feb.) that governments accept the field testing and commercialization of Terminator varieties (referred to as GURTS -- Genetic Use Restriction Technologies). Canada will also attack an official UN report, prepared by an international expert group, which is critical of the potential impacts of Terminator seeds on small farmers and Indigenous Peoples. In stark contrast to Canada's position, the expert report recommends that governments seek prohibitions on the technology. In Bangkok, civil society and Indigenous Peoples are calling on the Canadian government to abandon its endorsement of Terminator and to join with other governments to prohibit the technology once and for all. Many African and Asian governments have called for Terminator to be banned and the European Union has also been supportive of the existing moratorium. It is outrageous that Canada is backing an anti-farmer technology and shameful that it will 'block consensus' on any other outcome. Governments from around the world must not accept this bullying tactic, says ETC Group's Hope Shand from the negotiations in Bangkok. If Canada blocks decision-making on this issue, the moratorium will be in jeopardy and terminator seeds will be commercialized ending up in the fields of small farmers. The full leaked text of the Canadian government's instructions to its negotiators on Terminator/GURTS follows. Hope Shand and Jim Thomas of ETC Group can be contacted at SBSTTA negotiations in Bangkok on cell phone +44 (0) 7752 106806 or by email [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pat Mooney (in Ottawa) +1 (613) 241-2267 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kathy Jo Wetter (USA) +1 (919) 960-5223 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Head of the Canadian Delegation in Bangkok is Robert McLean, Environment Canada email [EMAIL PROTECTED] tel +1 (819) 997-1303 *** Advice on the report of the Ad Hoc Technical Expert Group on Genetic Use Restriction Technologies (GURTS); Canada has major reservations regarding the recommendations in the AHTEG report. Canada notes that the experts were unable to reach consensus and that while this is recognized in para. 15 of the report, this should have been made clear in the recommendation section of the report. Unfortunately, the report leaves the impression that consensus was achieved on all of the recommendations when this was clearly not case and in particular in terms of recommendation (b) which reads as follows, In view of the current lack of data, recommends that Parties and other Governments consider the development of regulatory frameworks not to approve GURTs for field-testing and commercial use. Canada will suggest that the document clearly indicate in the Annex that there is no consensus on for the recommendations. Alternatively, the AHTEG report can be referred to as the Chairs' report. Canada also believes that the AHTEG report contains scientific inaccuracies and a lack of balance in terms of reflecting both potential positive and
Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate
URL to the story your dad sent you http://www.snopes.com/politics/taxes/pensions.asp Have a nice day. Luc - Original Message - From: Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 2:42 PM Subject: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate I just received this from my father, with no references, of course, to verify any of the numbers contained within. However, I do know him to be an honest, and trustworthy man. So, while I cannot vouge for the validity of the specifics of this post, I can, without hesitation, say that if my father wrote it, and sent it to me, I'll stand by it. The following goes to the core of what is wrong with the alleged leadership of this country. It is no wonder the rest of the world has lost all respect for our country (speaking to the American list members). The hypocrisy revealed here makes me angry. It is absolute insanity for elected officials to be pampered for life like this when the rest of the country, and indeed the world, are facing issues like hunger, unsafe drinking water, war, etc., etc.??? That's enough from me, SOCIAL SECURITY: (This is worth reading. It is short and to the point.) Perhaps we are asking the wrong questions during election years. Our Senators and Congress women do not pay into Social Security and, of course, they do not collect from it. You see, Social Security benefits were not suitable for persons of their rare elevation in society. They felt they should have a special plan for themselves. So, many years ago they voted in their own benefit plan. In more recent years, no congressperson has felt the need to change it. After all, it is a great plan. For all practical purposes their plan works like this: When they retire, they continue to draw the same pay until they die. Except it may increase from time to time for cost of living adjustments.. For example, Senator Byrd and Congressman White and their wives may expect to draw $7,800,000.00 (that's Seven Million, Eight-Hundred Thousand Dollars), with their wives drawing $275,000.00 during the last years of their lives. This is calculated on an average life span for each of those two Dignitaries. Younger Dignitaries who retire at an early age, will receive much more during the rest of their lives. Their cost for this excellent plan is $0.00. NADAZILCH This little perk they voted for themselves is free to them. You and I pick up the tab for this plan. The funds for this fine retirement plan come directly from the General Funds; OUR TAX DOLLARS AT WORK! From our own Social Security Plan, which you and I pay (or have paid) into, - every payday until we retire (which amount is matched by our employer) - we can expect to get an average of $1,000 per month after retirement. Or, in other words, we would have to collect our average of $1,000 monthly benefits for 68 years and one (1) month to equal Senator Bill Bradley's benefits! Social Security could be very good if only one small change were made. That change would be to jerk the Golden Fleece Retirement Plan from under the Senators and Congressmen. Put them into the Social Security plan with the rest of us! Then sit backand watch how fast they would fix it. If enough people receive this, maybe a seed of awareness will be planted and maybe good changes will evolve. J.E.Krafka AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
I was married to an American for 10 years, and although we lived in several countries she still could not relate to others except in an American fashion. And led me to believe that you can remove the American from America but you are going to have a great deal of difficulty removing America from the American. And *that* is a problem. As I have said before, Americans are not stupid, quite the contrary, it is rarely necessary to explain something, even complex things, more than once, and they get it, so then what is it ? It is cutural isolation, and a reinforced sensation of the we are the world mind set. America, the country, is a very vast and beautiful place, and I have travelled it extensively, and were it not for the starta of politically motivated hubris most encounters with the population there would be a pleasant experience. However, that said, there still leaves the mountain of intentional blindness about the rest of the world and it's customs, peoples and languages, religions ect. In order for that to be overcome the American has to consciously join the international community in mind set.We here are a positive step in that direction. Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 5:14 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion Hi Robert, Sorry I was confused as to whose sister was whose! Just one further comment along these lines. I've been married now for about 20 years. We get along pretty well and I think we have a good understanding of what makes each other tick. BUT, sometimes I think my wife can run into someone from her hometown whom she has never seen before and know more about him in the first five minutes and what he is thinking that she does about me after all these years. And, vice versa. There is just such a deep common proverbial understanding on so many issues when they have the same background. I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't experienced it myself. Derek ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] mercedes diesel engine recommendations
What you want is here: http://www.benzworld.org/forums/default.asp Several of these people own both types and also DIY on most repairs and could answer most any querry you have, as comparisons ect. Luc - Original Message - From: Michael Wagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 11:58 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] mercedes diesel engine recommendations Luc, Thanks for the W123 endorsement but the question remains if the same is true for the W124. Does anyone have any experience with this model and engine? While attempting to decipher the Mercedes model codes I found this handy site... http://home.hiwaay.net/~gbf/mbmodels.html Mike W G'day Mike; I think you will find that the W123 body type will do the job quite nicely. Now that the expansion of my BD system is almost complete the next project upgrade on the BEnz this coming fall, God willing, is to go to a two tank system commonly used for SVO/WVO however I want it for deep winter BD use so I can run my fuel year round, however I am still looking into that as a viable avenue. Luc I am also looking for a 'well seasoned' 300D for biodiesel use. There are a few reasonably priced early '90s machines on the market. Are there issues running B100 on the generation just after the 80-87 model? ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate
- Original Message - From: Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:22 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] sometimes anger can motivate Chris, I would really like to know more about the author of this report. Look up the word history for the author. Can you point me in the right direction? You could have just Googled it, I did. A partial invasions list http://www.skepticfiles.org/socialis/invasion.htm The USS Liberty - a site maintained by survivors of the Israeli intentional attack. http://ussliberty.org/ Luc Mike Chris Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many wars in our history that we provoked (i.e.Vietnam) and other acts of war that we let slip into obscurity depending on our agenda (i.e. USS Liberty). I'm not even including the numerous proxy wars fought for us all over the world. Some bright spark of a journalist used the freedom of information act last year and found the US government had directly engaged in or actively paid for 72 incursions/insurrections on other sovereign countries since 1945. 73 and 74 coming up shortly. Chris. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box
My case, my point.I'll bet it is no end of insult to have an apparatus you paid for rsponsible for a job loss eh? This endless quest for perfection is leading us down the path of insanity.People are NOT perfect, be nice if they, whoever they are, would get over it. Luc - Original Message - From: Chris Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 4:01 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box They do not even need the GPS here in the UK you can track most mobile phones with your home computer if you know its number. The phone company triangulates using the phone masts in use. A lot of firm's phones have automatic tracking systems fitted. My son lost his job last year because of this technology. I know it was his own fault but it still came as a shock that they knew where he was at all times. Chris. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] China Dumping the Dollar the intelligent way
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2005-02/07/content_2559427.htm BEIJING, Feb. 7 (Xinhuanet) -- Chinese companies invested 3.62 billion US dollars in NON FINANCIAL SECTORS (emphasis mine)overseas in 2004, an increase of 27 percent year-on-year, the Ministry of Commerce said Monday. Up to the end of last year, China's direct investment overseas reached 37 billion US dollars. Last year, according to the ministry, nearly half of Chinese investment went to Latin America and some 40 percent to the other parts of Asia, mainly in the fields of mining, commercial service, manufacturing, wholesale and retail sales. Chinese companies that were engaged in engineering projects overseas reported a business turnover of 17.5 billion US dollars last year, up 26 percent year-on-year. They also signed new contracts worth 23.8 billion US dollars, according to the ministry. So far, China has dispatched 3.2 million individuals overseas under labor service contracts and earned 30.8 billion US dollars. Enditem ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Ford Ranger EV Drivers Resist Repossession
SACREMENTO -- January 17 -- 'Car-sitters' protest Ford's confiscation and destruction of zero-emission, zero-oil Ranger EV trucks. EV drivers buckle-in to hold Ford to its promise to sell Ranger EVs to loyal lessees. Supporters call on Ford to revive its EV program and immediately improve fuel efficiency of its out-dated fleet of gas guzzlers. This holiday weekend in Sacramento, Ford electric vehicle (EV) drivers, climate protection advocates, healthcare professionals, solar energy experts and human rights and peace activists began an 'EV vigil' to protest Ford Motor Company's confiscation and destruction of its all-electric, zero-emission Ranger pickup trucks. Inspired by civil rights sit-ins and powered by a 5,000-watt mobile solar array, citizens for clean cars have buckled-in for an extended 'car sit' over Martin Luther King, Jr. weekend at Downtown Ford in Sacramento. EV drivers Dave and Heather Bernikoff-Raboy, Bill Korthoff and supporters will resist the repossession of their Ford Ranger EVs and demand that Ford keep its original promise to sell the petroleum-free, pollution-free pickups to loyal California lessees. Supporters are calling on America's worst ranked automaker to revive its EV program and immediately implement existing technology to improve the bottom-of-the-barrel fuel efficiency of the rest of its gas guzzling fleet. WHO a.. Dave Bernikoff-Raboy, California rancher/Ford Ranger EV driver b.. Heather Bernifkoff-Raboy, healthcare professional/Ford Ranger EV driver c.. Bill Korthoff, solar energy expert/Ford Ranger EV driver d.. Jason Mark, clean car campaigner, Global Exchange e.. Jennifer Krill, zero emissions director, Rainforest Action Network and more... WHAT f.. EV 'car sit' vigil underway now WHEN g.. Began on Friday, January 14, 2005 and goes until further notice h.. Daily rallies at noon WHERE i.. Downtown Ford, 525 North 16th Street Bafler Street, Sacramento Yet another broken promise California rancher David Raboy acquired his Ranger EV in 2001 through Ford Motor Company's GreenLease program. In a January 23, 2004 letter to Mr. Raboy regarding lease end responsibilities and alternatives, Ford offered him the option to make arrangements to purchase the leased vehicle stating Ford Credit can finance the purchase. Mr. Raboy sent a certified letter accepting the offer of sale while Ford continued to deposit recurring payments beyond the lease expiration date. Then, in a November 18, 2004 letter to Mr. Raboy, Ford broke its promise and reneged on its offer stating Unfortunately, there is no possibility to extend your lease or for you to purchase your vehicle and recommended that Mr. Raboy consider the Ford Escape Hybrid as an alternative. Mr. Raboy reported the matter to California attorney general Bill Lockyer's office in phone calls on December 20, 23 and 30, 2004, and with a certified letter on January 6, 2005. Mr. Raboy's Ranger EV was fully powered by a solar system on his Northern California ranch. (Copies of correspondence and proof of payments are available upon request.) Ford fights progress The Ranger EV repossession is the latest in Ford's ongoing assault on federal and state efforts to improve emissions standards and implement fuel efficiency market incentives like California's progressive new law allowing carpool lane access to hybrids that achieve at least 45 miles per gallon, a standard that not one Ford model meets. In late 2004, Ford supported the filing of a federal lawsuit to overturn California's popular new vehicle emissions standards, the nation's first-ever rules to reduce greenhouse gas (GHG) emissions linked to global warming and the most advanced automotive GHG reduction targets in the world. America's oil addict Automaker Rankings 2004, a recent report from the Union of Concerned Scientists, ranks Ford as having the absolute worst heat-trapping gas emissions performance of all the Big Six automakers. According to the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, the overall average fuel efficiency of Ford's fleet today is 18.8 mpg, dead last among the major automakers for the fifth consecutive year. Since the oil crisis of the 1970s, Ford has ranked worst in overall fuel efficiency of all major automakers for 20 out of the last 30 years. From subcompacts to SUVs, Ford's current car and truck fleet gets fewer miles per gallon on average today than its Model-T did 80 years ago. Ford's widely touted 'eco-friendly' Rouge River plant features a water-preserving green roof, yet manufactures 280,000 gas-guzzling F-150s a year, each truck generating up to 100 tons of atmospheric carbon over its lifetime. Marketed as the first American hybrid, Ford's so-called 'no compromise' Escape represents less than one half of one percent of its fleet and will have virtually no impact on its last place fuel efficiency ranking. On September 2, 2004, Niel Golightly, director of
Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box
Illuminated plates, he he. I belive they have a real problem with that in Toronto Canada where they have an electronic toll road that takes pictures of the liscence plate and send you a bill by the post for the costs, so some folks have taken to putting those neon type illuminated liscence plate holders on their cars, and it is apparently wreaking havoc with the eye of the spy. Job creation would have been more efficient. Luc - Original Message - From: Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 8:38 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box Hello Kirk, Now this is what I call useful information. But I am curious, what do you mean by solid state ? AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box If they are using solid state cameras for a digital image the silicon sensors have peak sensitivity in the far red. You can illuminate the license plate with IR and the camera attempting to image the plate plate will over expose, no picture of the plate, washed out. To human eye there is almost no difference. Kirk snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit - Original Message - From: Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 9:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box Hi Luc, Yes, I can see how they might have an issue with that. Isn't it funny how skipping out on paying for services really seems to get peoples attention? I know when I was still in Texas up until 1999, in the Houston area, they were installing those wonderful (dripping with sarcasm) little cameras on every traffic light they could find. A little freaky if you ask me. Now if one were to carry the thought process out to it's logical conclusion we end up with the Orwelian Telescreens where the TV acts as your source ogf information but the thing also gets to watch your every moment and record your every word. Paranoid? But, they would say, it gives us a leg up on terrorism. It would allow to scrutinise potential threats before they can become reality, they would say. It would make the nation a safer place... blah blah. Impossible ? So was WTC's getting dropped nto it's respective footprints and so also was Patriot 1 and 2 not that long ago. Would one have even mentioned it as a possibility four years ago they would have been laughed at and treated like a conspiracy but who's immagination is over ripe, but it did happpen, eh? It continues to happen, eh? It forcasts to expand and grow into a even greater monster, eh? The only safe government power is controlled government power, and in most cases government is the one doing the controlling. Not aying that or anyone can alctually *do* anything to twart that, merely that I am very leery of it considering the track record of power abuse. Today it is black boxes in your glove box, cameras on the street corners, and on the highways, all in the name of protecting the public good, and so where does that *protection* stop ? They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706 - 1790), Historical Review of Pennsylvania, 1759 Luc AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Bill Moyers: There Is No Tomorrow
- Original Message - From: knoton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 9:07 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Bill Moyers: There Is No Tomorrow http://www.startribune.com/stories/1519/5211218.html There Is No Tomorrow By Bill Moyers The Star Tribune Sunday 30 January 2005 snip One of the biggest changes in politics in my lifetime is that the delusional is no longer marginal. It has come in from the fringe, to sit in the seat of power in the Oval Office and in Congress. For the first time in our history, ideology and theology hold a monopoly of power inWashington. /snip Other than having it right on the delusional no longer being marginal but fron t and center Mr Moyers portends to speak of things he knows little of, or has been coached by someone who has his/her story quite distorted. As for the so-called Biblical lands bit one would be hard pressed to find anyone who now lives in the political state of Israel who actually has semitic blood in them baring the Arabs who also live there, so therefore any reference to the tie-in with historical Hebrews is outrageous, contrary to the popular myth commonly believed. So, if everything hinges upon those who are presently occupying the political state of Israel as being some sort of legitimate blood heirs to the land they occupy is starting off with an erratum as a foundation and therefore anything that follows is also in error. And, of course, this erratum is the cornerstone of the so-called christians who identify as christian zionists. The entire foundation of the blind alley they walk is baseless in Scripture, as is a great percentage of what these ralte as what the Bible does nad does not say. The information being put forth is out contextualized and in many cases reversed and out of chronology with events that are predicted. But then when one starts a foudation off on a lie how can the building reflects any truth. Luc --- Bill Moyers was host until recently of the weekly public affairs series NOW with Bill Moyers on PBS. This article is adapted from AlterNet, where it first appeared. The text is taken from Moyers' remarks upon receiving the Global Environmental Citizen Award from the Center for Health and the Global Environment at Harvard Medical School. © Copyright 2005 by TruthOut.org [1]kcom.gif References 1. http://www.knoton.com/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box
OnStar, gotta love it eh? The epitome of an invible friend. The Chucky, kind that is.(Chucky is a demonic marionette come alive and terrorising everyone) However this feature is an option, so you control whether or not you want to be surveillanced, unlike the other gizmo, and like you said, it has already been used against it's owner. If it is not an option I can refuse then I would not be putting money into an abritrary system that is there only to snoop on me. Luc - Original Message - From: Ray J [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box Yeah I do believe the black box on most cars is tied to the airbag computer.. its hooked to sensors and looks at your speed and how fast the car is stopping.. if the car is stopping very fast... hitting somthing solid at speeds above 20 miles an hour or so the computer records the last few seconds of information on throttle position, brake line pressures, wheel speed and stuff like that.. There does not have to be a crash though... anytime the wheels lock or veloicity changes quickly the computer will record info thinking there might be a crash and it might have to set off the airbags.. . It does not always record what you are doing.. It is not really big brother watching. but thay have used in information in court before to hold people liable in crashes... But I would watch out for that onstar system... gps and a cellular relay to give your speed, position, unlock your doors... i would be sure big brother has his nose in there... Ray J ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] mercedes diesel engine recommendations
I think you will find that the W123 body type will do the job quite nicely. Now that the expansion of my BD system is almost complete the next project upgrade on the BEnz this coming fall, God willing, is to go to a two tank system commonly used for SVO/WVO however I want it for deep winter BD use so I can run my fuel year round, however I am still looking into that as a viable avenue. Luc - Original Message - From: Michael Wagner [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] mercedes diesel engine recommendations I am also looking for a 'well seasoned' 300D for biodiesel use. There are a few reasonably priced early '90s machines on the market. Are there issues running B100 on the generation just after the 80-87 model? Mike Wagner Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: New method for the production of home made bio-diesel
- Original Message - From: Dana Knight [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 11:35 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Re: New method for the production of home made bio-diesel I just started on the BioD journey recently my self. In fact today I made my first test batch with new Canola oil and KOH.so far so good. Congrats on getting on the road to better fuel. I am building the Appleseed reactor and so far I have spent about $200 on lab gear (glass ware, pH meter, scale, etc.), and three steel 55 gal drums. Still looking for a suitable 50-60 gal water heater for which I will most likely spend $50 - $100 from a local used plumbing shop. If you are going over 40gal water heater based reactor do NOT use the 1 clear water pump commonly used for these projects (mine included) as it is not strong enough, however if you go 40 and under and use a secondary settling tank, like one of those drums (which is what I am in process of doing) you can and it works just fine. Not being near a scap yard or having much in the way of knowledge at the outset I opted to go off-the-shelf on everything. It's expensive but it is all new. Good for you if you can get it free (best price,ha!) And while you are in the building stage, you might want to think about a smaller drum, say 100 liter (25gal Imp), with an emersion heater welded into the side so you can heat the water up a bit before washing with it. (also part of my expansion)Mine has a standard 2 bung in the side and another on top. Any fine threaded drum bung cap, like the ones for poly drums with the 3/4 thread in the middle work fine here also and you can add plumbing to it to best suit your needs. Mine will be lating on it's side, bung up which will serve as a fill hole/access hole for the pump. The lower one (the one on top) is facing down to the floor and will incorporate a T for a sight tube and thermometer of the 1/2 BBQ type. The emersion heater is welded into the end (what was the bottom) just about 5-8cm (2-3)above ground level.Heaters for my unit are all 115V emersion type used for water heaters. Luc I have decided to go new on the pump and vacuum pump since it would be difficult to determine the actual condition of used one. Beside, you may not know what it had been used for which might introduce contamination into your process Dana Knight Boulder, CO [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
Not my sister, someone else's, however you make interesting points. I have lived in Canada, the US, New Zealand and Australia and have travelled to New Caledonia, Fiji, Tahiti, as well as The Samoas (Western and American) and can say with all assuredness that it certainly IS an education. The return to North America was rather brutal after having been away for about 8 years, and this back in the 80's before the increased insanity. Being the little white ball between a European spouse and a US family has got to be highly interesting. Old Europe has a much longer history and much more culture than the US ever will, so there is inevitably a clash, ha! Back a few years ago I was a advocate of people getting out and traveling the world, especially young people. Good for the mental processes, however of late I am no longer certain travel is a good idea given the climate that has been created, not that it still wouldn't benefit, there is just so much more animocity out there now, and well deserved I might add. Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 5:25 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion Hi Luc, As I believe you said that your sister was thinking of moving to Europe from her homeland for a bit of fresh air, I might mention that I am a US expatriate. I've lived overseas now for a total of fifteen years. The reasons were varied, partly economic, partly to reduce work stress, and partly to improve my family life. I am also married to a European, which leads to some interesting (dis)harmonies as I constantly hear a European viewpoint in one ear and a US viewpoint in the other from my US family. The so called reverse culture shock is also interesting. Many things that before would have been so normal as to not even have reached the surface of my awareness now cause discomfort. It has been an education and a valued one. I would encourage her to go. It would be an adventure and an education and I don't think she would ever regret it. I know we haven't. Derek Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
- Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion snip I would be sad to see her go, only because she would be very far away, and at times, she seems like the only thinking person in my entire family. /snip That would be two of you :-) and you both left (or are planning on it), LOL! Luc robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: New method for the production of home made bio-diesel
- Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 6:31 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Re: New method for the production of home made bio-diesel snip Be aware that the 1 clear water pump usually recommended for these reactors is too small for that size water heater. Those pumps will handle at most a 25-gallon reactor. So you'll have to extend the processing time considerably to get a complete reaction, or use a bigger pump. Or at least try using the 1 clear water pump at its full 1 capacity, rather than stepping it down to 3/4, which will probably mean changing the fittings on the tank. Also be aware that the arrangements on these processors for draining the glycerine by-product do not achieve good separation and you're quite likely to get some glyc along with the biodiesel to be washed in the wash-tank, compounding the washing problems you'll have if the process isn't completed properly. So don't just blindly follow the instructions as it seems most people building these reactors do. Think about it yourself, figure it out, step by step. Yup ! Mine is 135 liter total capacity but I only do 80 liter batches and the 1' clear water pump is adequate. To help in draining the glycerine layer I raised the reactor (water heater) up on the back side causing a tilt towards the drain hole. That and a couple other mods make it so that no glycerine stays in the pump or lines once the processing is finished. Time to blow my horn: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor12.html Luc Best wishes Keith Very interested to see how your algae experiments go. Please keep us informed. Thank you and good luck Dana Knight Boulder, CO [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re:FOOD vS FUEL
- Original Message - From: Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 12:26 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re:FOOD vS FUEL Hello Kirk, Although this is the first time I have ever seen this actually written, I do not think canola or soy are fit for human consumption Canola/rape seed isn't fit for human consumption (good thing we can make fuel with it eh?)and soy (natural soy, not counting the GMO stuff) contains small amount of toxins that are not harmful in small amounts but over indulgeance is counter recommended. I could not possibly agree more, and also for health reasons. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA - Original Message - From: Kirk McLoren [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 10:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re:FOOD vS FUEL I do not think canola or soy are fit for human consumption. Canola is a variant of rape seed, a member of the mustard family. Humans should use olive oil and it should not be used for cooking. For cooking natural saturated fats such as tallow (beef fat)should be used. I have been researching this for some time due to health reasons. BTW the whole cholesterol scam is demonstrably wrong and if you are taking statin drugs you need to go to lef.org and read about them. Kirk snip ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Re: New method for the production of home made bio-diesel
Luc - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 1:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Re: New method for the production of home made bio-diesel Uh, g'day Luc G'day Keith/Dana; - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 6:31 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Re: New method for the production of home made bio-diesel snip Be aware that the 1 clear water pump usually recommended for these reactors is too small for that size water heater. Those pumps will handle at most a 25-gallon reactor. So you'll have to extend the processing time considerably to get a complete reaction, or use a bigger pump. Or at least try using the 1 clear water pump at its full 1 capacity, rather than stepping it down to 3/4, which will probably mean changing the fittings on the tank. Also be aware that the arrangements on these processors for draining the glycerine by-product do not achieve good separation and you're quite likely to get some glyc along with the biodiesel to be washed in the wash-tank, compounding the washing problems you'll have if the process isn't completed properly. So don't just blindly follow the instructions as it seems most people building these reactors do. Think about it yourself, figure it out, step by step. Yup ! Mine is 135 liter total capacity but I only do 80 liter batches and the 1' clear water pump is adequate. To help in draining the glycerine layer I raised the reactor (water heater) up on the back side causing a tilt towards the drain hole. That and a couple other mods make it so that no glycerine stays in the pump or lines once the processing is finished. Time to blow my horn: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_processor12.html Loud and clear! LOL! Well, but you DID think about it. I know you say you gleaned it from everybody else and all credit to them, but I don't agree. I think the way you've put it all together was very creative, you did a lot of figuring and judging and trial-and-error on your own. In the end, it's an original, and takes it all forward, IMO, certainly as far as water-heater reactors are concerned. Good job Luc! When I was putting that page together with Luc I did a trawl of the list archives for all his previous posts (many!) and read them in sequence. I really enjoyed that, seeing a learning curve unfolding from scratch (zero, as Luc freely admits) and being applied, with such a fine result. It also made a nice study of how Internet collaboration can work. Regards Keith Luc Best wishes Keith Very interested to see how your algae experiments go. Please keep us informed. Thank you and good luck Dana Knight Boulder, CO [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box
I think it has something to do with an Orwelian world. What of the rest of us who are responsible drivers and have had a perfect driving record for over a million miles. Do we really *need* Big Brother watching our every step ? I know the obvious misuse of this technology is not something that has escaped you. You know, stop at the next sevice plaza and have the DOT check your black box to see if you have been anywhere hear over the speed limit and then repirting you to your insurance company ? Or better still, spot checks on city streets. Why bother tryin to set up radar traps when you have one conveniently in your vehicle ? Immagine the savings in man hours (not) Isn't this sort of infringement exactly what a totalitarian world consist of ? But then, there are some who actually see the good in Patriot 1 and 2, go figure. After all Papa governement is alwasy benign and would never ever think of using technology to do us any harm woyuld they, said he with great gesticulatory sarcasm. The problem isn't so much the protection of the innocent as it is an infrigement on every one else, not a liscence but an I spy in your glove box. Drunk driving in some orient countries is only a first time offence (or used to be) as they hang you for it. I believe it was the Philipines, but I could be wrong on that.I did however read it some years ago and it was in that neck of the woods. Concerned about criminal activity on the roads? Make the penalty not worth the offence and you won't need spy boxes in every car. Luc - Original Message - From: Martin K [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 1:20 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box Greg, can I ask why? What if someone ran into you doing 100MPH. Would you want justice to be done (would your family?) Forcing people to be responsible for their irresponsibility is refreshing to me. -- Martin K http://wwia.org/sgroup/biofuel/ Greg Harbican wrote: One of the reasons I like older vehicles. Greg H. - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 08:11 Subject: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box http://www.kotv.com/main/home/stories.asp?whichpage=1id=75424 Your car is most likely recording things about your driving and that information can be used against you if you have a traffic accident. Most people don't know their car has a black box. They are similar to ones in airplanes, although they don't record voices, but they do record plenty of other things that happen before a crash. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box
Good points, providing that is *all* it is used for, however abuse is becoming a rule of thumb rather than the exception don't you think? Under Patriot 1 2 all kinds of things pass off without the benefit of a court of law, ask the young ladies being fondled at airports undder the guise of security who have no recourse other than bveing detained if they complain too much about it. I am extremely leery of any program that has the government looking out for my well being. I got a better plan, leave me alone and I will look out for my own. That said however, it could be of benefit, as you say, although very worthy of keeping a close eye on, IMHO. It's like electronic toll collections. If that is all it is used for, fine, however it would be a snap for it to be abused as it records, for end of billing, the *exact* time you pass what check point and any second grade math student can figure how fast you are going between the two points. I am not free if I do not have the freedon to self police myself in matters of social responsibility. In the case that I fall down on the job of doing that there are already plent y of laws on the books that can bring me nack into the fold, so-to-speak. Luc - Original Message - From: Martin K [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 10:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box Legal Eagle wrote: G'day Martin; I think it has something to do with an Orwelian world. What of the rest of us who are responsible drivers and have had a perfect driving record for over a million miles. Do we really *need* Big Brother watching our every step ? Many people could handle alcohol at age 15 or do illegal drugs without causing crime, but the few who can't cause BIG problems. It's not exactly the same idea, however; driving CAN be very dangerous and many people just can't handle it without causing big problems. The only way of finding out who is to blame in some accidents is via a device which records the previous few seconds of information such as accelerator percentage, brake action, speed (that's all they really keep track of .. for now). I know the obvious misuse of this technology is not something that has escaped you. You know, stop at the next sevice plaza and have the DOT check your black box to see if you have been anywhere hear over the speed limit and then repirting you to your insurance company ? Or better still, spot checks on city streets. Why bother tryin to set up radar traps when you have one conveniently in your vehicle ? Immagine the savings in man hours (not) Isn't this sort of infringement exactly what a totalitarian world consist of ? But then, there are some who actually see the good in Patriot 1 and 2, go figure. After all Papa governement is alwasy benign and would never ever think of using technology to do us any harm woyuld they, said he with great gesticulatory sarcasm. The problem isn't so much the protection of the innocent as it is an infrigement on every one else, not a liscence but an I spy in your glove box. This data can only be subpoenaed by a court of law AFAIK. It is only kept for a few seconds leading up to when airbags are deployed. Beyond that, nobody would be able to find out anything even if they wanted to. Drunk driving in some orient countries is only a first time offence (or used to be) as they hang you for it. I believe it was the Philipines, but I could be wrong on that.I did however read it some years ago and it was in that neck of the woods. Concerned about criminal activity on the roads? Make the penalty not worth the offence and you won't need spy boxes in every car. Luc I would not be surprised at all if it were the Philippines. The death penalty is arcane at best, but that's another story. -- Martin K http://wwia.org/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] No Tomorrow
- Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] No Tomorrow Keith Addison wrote: And why care about converting from oil to solar when the same God who performed the miracle of the loaves and fishes can whip up a few billion barrels of light crude with a word? Because the same God who performed the miracle of loaves and fishes also gave man the responsibility to care for the earth. The same Revelation - quoting dispensationalists who don't worry about environmental degradation conveniently leave out the following verse: The nations were angry and your wrath has come: The time to judge the dead and reward your servants, the prophets and the saints; those who fear your name, small and great. And for destroying those who destroy the earth. Revelation 11:18 And that pretty well sums it up eh? Luc robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] thanks all
- Original Message - From: Vincent zadworny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 9:48 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] thanks all Thanks Luc i will be starting with about 10 to 20 gallons i was going to try the ase - base method that is on the JTF site. You are refering to the single stage right ? Not the acid base. When starting out it is higkly recommended to start with the single stage methode before attacking the two stage acid base method. I am going into my second year (my completed reactor came on line last August) and I am swtill going with the sigle stage and using NaOH as a catalyst. Others have gone on quicker so It is up to you, however a good solid understanding of the single satge method is paramount in getting the basic troubleshooting down before moving to the acid base method. Check it out: http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make2.html#whystart I used to take Chem in high school and have contacted my old teacher. Chem teacher eh? Get him/her involved. Use words like esterification and methyl esters, NaOH, KOH ect. Bait the hook. The more the merrier (some even marry her,ha!) and being a chem teacher with all the hub bub that the various govt's are making now about asving a to of emissions ect this could be viewed as a teaching project; making eco-friendly fuel. Teachers can't resist that stuff. You got to sell it a bit though :-). Shouldn't be too hard a sell, BC seems to be eco-minded. Have fun, and good fueling. I will keep my lye dry. It works better that way :-) Luc Thanks again Vincent Zadworny Vancouver Canada Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: G'day Vincent; That's one heep of a jump from test batches to 100 gals. You sure you don't want to try something in the order of 20-30 liters first ? Only a suggestion mind you. All the best, keep your lye dry :-) Luc - Original Message - From: Vincent zadworny To: biomailinglist Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:51 PM Subject: [Biofuel] thanks all hello all, i would like to thank every one who responded to me postings. washing of the small test batches are going good and am quite confident with the processes. this weekend i am setting up my BIG system consisting of a 100 US gallon reaction tank. i have 2 of these tanks and will be (hopefully) expanding to include both of the tanks. I will then be producing about 75 US gallons a day(again Hopefully) wish me luck Vincent Zadworny Vancouver Canada - Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ - Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box
- Original Message - From: John Guttridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Automotive Black Box it only records the last 5 seconds I am sure that is what the brochure says. For now that is probably the way it works, and as has been stated by Martin it is indeed a viable method of check and balance, however it is the potential for abuse that I don't like. and it holds them when the airbags deploy so as long as you weren't speeding in the last 5 seconds (unlikely if you decelerated to get off the ramp) then you are not going to get nailed by your EDR. the EDR can be used just as well to save your neck. I am a firefighter and we see some weird accidents, Like tow truck drivers eh? People have no idea what goes on out there. just the other day we had one where a guy was going about 10-15 and he lost control of his vehicle and rolled it (there was an odd shape to the side of the road) his EDR might save him the ticket and the corresponding increase in his insurance. Did it record the road surface imbalance so he could have useful information to use in his case against that DOT or is this miracle of modern tech only good in one direction ? there is also no legal precedent established as to who owns the data in your EDR and what access you need to allow to it. Therefore ...? I would argue that as long as I own the EDR I can tell people (the police included) what access they get to the data contained therein. I think that with a good lawyer I could win that case. Ok, so you have laid out a bundle of money to have a snooper in your glove box (!) and no one is certain *who* owns the information in the spy that you paid for, and now you need a *good* lawyer to see to it that you don't get screwed. I think you just made my point. If the thing isn't there to serve you, the owner of the snooper, then it is there as a spy and is an infrigement on a whole mess of potential freedoms. The very fact that there is no proprietary ownership of the data proves that the thing isn't there as a friend. Why would I want to purposely have something installed in a vehicle that I must pay for just to have it paternalize me? Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Iraq: the Army's Symphonist Repies
corruption and as criminal as they get. Lies to start a war do not make it legitimate just because miltary pirates say so. Just listening (reading) to that Lieutenant Colonel Tim Ryan about how this that and the other atrocity was necessary and they had to do this that and the other turned my stomach. He really a ndtruly just doesn't get it at all, but then most psychotics don't... Luc - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 1:47 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Iraq: the Army's Symphonist Repies http://www.counterpunch.org/cloughley02042005.html February 4, 2005 Sometimes the Only Way to Change the Behavior of Someone Like That is to Kill Them Iraq: the Army's Symphonist Repies By BRIAN CLOUGHLEY On January 25 I had a piece on Counterpunch called 'Iraq as Disneyland'. It drew the usual number of supportive emails and three ill-spelt comical notes of reproach saying that I am a commy-loving raghead bastard, amongst other things. As always, I replied cheerfully to the polite people, and in contacting the nutters used the phrase Thank you for your comments which have received the attention they merit. (In cases of particularly appalling grammar I usually add, but next time you write to someone, please have your mommy or daddy or your teacher help you. This drives them crazy.) But this time I also received an email from one of the subjects of my disapproval. Lieutenant Colonel Tim Ryan, USA, took me to task for my comments, to which, no doubt, he gave the attention he considers they merit. What I wrote about LtCol Ryan was: Maybe Disneyland should create a Falluja display to include real dogs eating real human corpses and happy Iraqis wandering round the rubble with Goofy to fill dirty cans with even filthier water. Perhaps LtCol Malay could act as technical advisor to Disney on how to present slaughter and destruction attractively. He could be joined by the carefree LtCol Tim Ryan who (blogger Billmon points out) had a piece in the Tacoma News Tribune on January 18 describing his happy life : From where I sit in Iraq, things are not all bad right now. In fact, they are going quite well . . . In the distance, I can hear the repeated impacts of heavy artillery and five-hundred-pound bombs hitting their targets. The occasional tank main gun report and the staccato rhythm of a Marine Corps LAV or Army Bradley Fighting Vehicle's 25-millimeter cannon provide the bass line for a symphony of destruction. How poetic. How liberating. How psychotic. *** In his email to me (Classification : UNCLASSIFIED ; Caveats : NONE) Colonel Ryan objects to being called psychotic. Indeed I would object to being called psychotic. Who wouldn't? But since there are no caveats concerning his communication I think it reasonable that his views be given wider dissemination. Here it is: Sir, You obviously have a political drum to beat and that seems to have clouded your understanding of warfare. I see by your bio that you've served in the military, but have you served in Iraq? Do you really know what we're up against here are you just reading someone else's views on the subject? Let me start by reminding you that wars are terrible things. Women, children, men and animals get killed in wars, less so now than ever before, but it happens none the less. Houses, stores and lives get destroyed. This should be no surprise to anyone. War brings tragedy to many lives. If war was easy or bloodless, everyone would have a war. War is difficult because in war, one side is trying to change the behaviour and alliances and ultimately to impose their will on the other side. People don't change easily. The same people who were assassinating Iraqis and running one of the most corrupt and vicious dictatorships in history are the same ones we are fighting now. You want to know why we are still fighting them? Because we weren't heavy handed coming in. We didn't try to completely obliterate this country which is what it would have taken to kill -- yes I said kill -- all of the hard core members of the former regime. We tried to be relative nice guys as far as wars go to avoid as much suffering as possible. The result was there were a lot of bad guys still left at the end of the big push in April 2003. Then, we tried to win them over by rebuilding schools and sewer systems, etc. We tried to win the hearts and minds, so to speak. The corruption and hatred of some runs so deep that they sabotaged our efforts instead of embracing them. We built youth centers, government buildings, and employment offices only to have the enemy blow them up. We've worked to rebuild a formerly corrupt police and military system only to have the enemy specifically target those individuals because the enemy knows these security forces the biggest threat to their survival. No, these are not nice guys we're dealing with here. They
Re: [Biofuel] No Tomorrow
Right again, and Jesus' brother James has it pretty well summed up too, faith without works is dead (James 2:20, 26) Luc - Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 06, 2005 1:55 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] No Tomorrow Legal Eagle wrote: And that pretty well sums it up eh? Luc It goes a long way to explain that intriguing quote attributed to Jesus in the gospels: In that day many will say to him, 'Lord, Lord, did we not cast out demons in your name and perform many great miracles?' The Son of Man will say: 'I do not know you. Depart from me, you evildoers.' It's not enough to profess faith in God. If faith doesn't harmonize attitudes and behavior with God's stated will, it isn't really faith. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] All the News that's fit to buy
http://www.wired.com/news/conflict/0,2100,66520,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_3 WASHINGTON -- The Pentagon's chief investigator is looking into the military's practice of paying journalists to write articles and commentary for a website aimed at influencing public opinion in the Balkans, officials said Friday. At the request of Larry Di Rita, chief spokesman for Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld, the Pentagon's inspector general, Joseph Schmitz, is reviewing that case and also looking more broadly at Pentagon activities that might involve inappropriate payments to journalists. Di Rita said he had no reason to believe any inappropriate activities had taken place but wanted a comprehensive review to help ensure our processes are sufficiently sensitive to this matter. He stressed that the web projects are done in close coordination with the State Department. The Balkans website, called Southeast European Times, as well as a second aimed at audiences in north Africa, have no immediately obvious connection to the U.S. government but contain a linked disclaimer that says they are sponsored by the U.S. European Command. That is the military organization based in Germany responsible for U.S. forces and military activities in Europe and parts of Africa. The second site, called Magharebia and aimed at the Maghreb region that encompasses Algeria, Libya, Mauritania, Morocco and Tunisia, is still in development and has not reached the stage of having paid correspondents, said Air Force Lt. Col. Derek Kaufman, a European Command spokesman. Both sites carry news stories compiled from The Associated Press, Reuters and other news organizations. The Pentagon's role in these websites was first reported by CNN on Thursday. The Balkans website also has articles and commentary by about 50 journalists who Kaufman said are paid by European Command through a private contractor, Anteon, an information technology company based in Fairfax, Virginia. The websites are examples of what the military calls information operations, or programs designed to influence public opinion by countering what the Pentagon considers to be misinformation or lies that circulate in the international news media. The Pentagon's use of the websites has raised questions about blurring the lines between legitimate news and what some would call government propaganda. The Balkans site grew out of the U.S. air war against Serbian leader Slobodan Milosevic in 1999, Kaufman said. It sought to counter what U.S. officials considered a Serb propaganda machine that made effective use of the internet. The site aimed at north Africa was started in October 2004 and is a new weapon in the global war on terror. This specifically is trying to reach a youthful audience that is potentially ripe for extremist messages and terrorist recruitment, Kaufman said. It's very much an effort to provide a voice of moderation, but it's not disinformation. Every printed word is the truth. Di Rita said in an interview Friday that he approves of the effort to present information to counter anti-American internet material, but he wants to make sure it is done properly and transparently. He said he first learned of the Southeast European Times site last week. Kaufman said information warfare experts at European Command do not edit the stories written by contributing journalists for Southeast European Times, but they review the stories after they are processed by Anteon editors, and they sometimes change the headlines. He cited as an example a proposed headline that originally read, Croatian Prime Minister Remembers Holocaust Victims, which European Command changed to Croatian Prime Minister Remarks on Dangers of Extremism, which Kaufman said more closely reinforced the U.S. message. About 50 paid correspondents contribute to Southeast European Times, including one American journalist based in Sarajevo, Bosnia, Kaufman said. Another European Command spokesman, Air Force Maj. Sarah Strachan, said many of the journalists work primarily for news organizations, although she said the details of those employers could not be provided for privacy reasons. Kaufman said the journalists are paid according to the number of words in their articles that are approved for posting on the website, at a rate set by Anteon. In a letter Thursday to the Pentagon inspector general, Di Rita asked for a comprehensive review in light of recent disclosures that other government agencies paid journalists to promote administration policies. I have no reason to believe there might be a problem, Di Rita wrote, but he said a review was called for in view of the Defense Department's size and its complex budgeting structure. Without mentioning him by name, Di Rita alluded to the case of commentator Armstrong Williams, who was hired by the Education Department -- through a contract with a public relations firm -- to produce ads that featured
Re: [Biofuel] American or Canadian
Hehe. And British Columbia is about as American as a Canadian place could be.It was a worthy smile, thanks. Luc - Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 12:23 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] American or Canadian Legal Eagle wrote: G'day Robert et all; It is not so much that Canadians are trying to not be Americans so much as it is a case of just being, without nationalistic afrontery. I used to teach in a small school in northern British Columbia. When we moved into a new building, I asked for a flag pole out in front and always raised the Canadian flag before school. Two of my students were tasked, at the end of the day, the lower the flag, fold it and put it away. When the school board chairman asked why I just didn't leave the flag up on the pole, I responded: Taking it down shows respect and keeps it from getting tattered in the wind. You Canadians should take more pride in your national symbols. That's an American for you, he replied. Here in Canada, we don't surrender our territorial sovereignty just because the sun goes down. With your attitude, if you lived a little further north, the flag wouldn't get put up for half the school year! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] biojelly
- Original Message - From: Jeremy Tracy Longworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 11:04 PM Subject: [Biofuel] biojelly I did my first batch today which congealed into a jelly like substance. I used 80 liters of dewatered wvo 10 liters of Methanol How did you get 10 liters? When I process 80 liter batches it comes to 16 liters methanol. 2 to the 10 or 20%. and 400g lye. Did the titration give you 1.5ml ? 5gr/liter is exactly what I use and it consistantly gives good results. The oil is from the same source and titrates the same each time. I mixed my methoxide in a 5gal container until compleatly disolved, Fumeless. It's the way to go. I use a 22 liter carboy with a bung cap threaded for 3/4 in plumbing and have a connection running into the pump intake. It was still warm when I fed it in to my processor. I also believe the oil was to hot in the processor, there was a semi-violant reaction and I believe the methane vaporized. Do you pre-heat the WVO ? Is your porcessor equipped with a thermometer, like an automotive one or BBQ type with 1/2 thread ? Methanol evaporates at 65C (148.5F). After running it in the processor for about 2 hours I drained about a liter into a bottle and the rest into a a drum. the bottle has congealed and the drum is doing the same. neither one has separated at all. Any ideas? You made soap. So far, had the titration shown 1.5ml and you had added enough methanol combined with a constant heat to the processing, the settling should have turned out good. Your 80 liters with 16 liters methoxide (400gr NaOH. more if KOH) processed for 2 hours at 55C (130F) and you would have had a batch of useable BD. A little tweeking and you have it :-) Where in te world did you come up with 10 liters methanol ? Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel additives
Care to share the link or company's name where you found them? The 40pounds is for international mailing the 19 local. Go figure.2 1/2 times more to ship ? Expensive, but apparently worth it. Luc - Original Message - From: Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 3:36 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel additives Thank you for sending the link. On my system I did find it and also another one. First I probably could not find it, because it is not called Wintron CX30, but Wintron XC30. I have found two different companies that sell it. Both in England. One sells it for 40 and one sells it for 19 pounds per liter. Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel additives G'day Pieter; http://www.biofuelsystems.com/uk2shop-2.htm However when I just tried thelink it was down. Hope they are still tehre. Luc - Original Message - From: Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel additives Hello, Can you tell me where I could buy this Wintron CX-30 out here in Holland ? Thanks in advance. Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands. Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
We all have influence. There isn't a single person alive that doesn't have it, at least in their own parameters, some more, some less, but all have it. The trick/solution when combining cultures and traditions is not so much to create a melting pot where all become one with different shades of colour, but rather where all can co-habitate while continuing with their traditions and cultural heritage where they are but without infriging upon the right of others to do the same. Where modifications to this comes nto play is where those certain cultural heritages clash violently or where the host country's traditions and culture is cast aside and a new one attempted to be implanted. Where the later is the case it somewhat negates the reason for one leaving his/her native homeland in the first place eh? Why not just stay there if all is well and no meaningful changes are in order ? It boils down to what a person deems acceptable or not acceptable, livable or intolerable. Luc - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 05, 2005 7:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion That has me wondering how many people about the world the almost 3000 members of this List influence. Derek Hargis Best wishes Keith robert luis rabello ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Automotive Black Box
http://www.kotv.com/main/home/stories.asp?whichpage=1id=75424 Your car is most likely recording things about your driving and that information can be used against you if you have a traffic accident. Most people don't know their car has a black box. They are similar to ones in airplanes, although they don't record voices, but they do record plenty of other things that happen before a crash. News on 6 reporter Lori Fullbright has been investigating. Even though it's silver, it's called a black box or airbag sensor or event data recorder. Its main job is safety, it operates the airbags, but it also records information and because of that, a Glenpool teenager could be charged with negligent homicide. It'll be the first time anyone's been charged in Tulsa County based on a black box, but you can bet, it won't be the last. Last year, a 19 year old man took his sister's 2002 Trans-Am out for a test drive the day after she bought it. He lost control and hit two utility poles; the crash killed his passenger, who was also 19. The driver had no idea the car would become a witness against him. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Here's a interesting summary for you. You are a free moral agent, the way you were created, whether or not you belive that, and you and you alone can make decisions that you will have to live with, no one else can make or push you into making. There are those of us here that are Christians, and, regardless of whether or not you like it, we are not ashamed of that belief, nor should we be. On the same side of the same coin there are also others here who do not adhere to the basic Christian belief system, and if the only example is the neo-con American style of it, it is most understandable, however that does not hinder us from conducting a useful and meaningful dialogue that brings us all closer in our chosen ventures. Most animosity that comes from an experience with someone in the Christian faith is that these same do not understand the devine principple of the Majesty of Choice and to simply live within the rhelm of those who have exercised that majesty letting things go at that. You don't believe what I do? So what, that is your right. It is also my right to believe it without denigration or condesention. I have much more issue with the neo-con so-called zionist christian than I do with someone who has, of his/her free will, chosen a religious (and everyone has one, it only remains to define what that form of worship is) avenue that is different to mine. i personally find more in common with true Islamic Muslims than I do with so-called American style neo-con so-called christian, however both groups have their problems with misinterpretation of what their respective Holy Books say. Some out of ignorance, others out of a pre-determined agenda. Be definition a phobia is : an exaggerated usually inexplicable and illogical fear of a particular object, class of objects, or situation - Webter's Dictionary. I do not have a phobia about homosexuallity, I merely believe that it is repulsive. I do not fear it, I disdain it, there is a difference. Spiders are another matter, I am arachnaphobic, to a point :-) Move too fast, too often, creepy ... and in Australia HUGE ! Homosexuals, just like the rest of humanity, have utilised their God-given (yes, in the way I see it) Majesty of Choice and have adopted that way of life. Whatever. Fine, just don't expect me to adhere to it, encourage it, agree to it ect. It repulses me, simple, but then that is me and I have exercised my own Majesty of Choice to get there. Do I refuse to have conversations with people I know are homosexual ? No. I said it before, I am in no phobia/fear of their choices.I do not have to answer for it, I answer for myself, as do we all. There is no group accountability, there is only individual responsibility. And the same is said of any position in life. You choose to commit sin, you answer for it. Almost every legal system in the world opperates on this principle, to a differing success rate. All that to say this; you and you alone are responsible for the choices you make, no one else. Luc - Original Message - From: John Guttridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 2:26 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge Robert, Robert Luis Rabello wrote: Who is trying to proselytize you, sir? I've not read a single message in this forum urging you to repent of your sins, or repudiate your atheism. Perhaps that's what you believe we're trying to do; further illustrating my point that reality absolutely depends on the perspective of the individual. This is interesting. I think that this is what really gets me about Christianity in general is the feeling that I am being pushed to repent for something that I do not believe to be sinful. as you point out here it is often the case that I am not being pushed into anything. I also frequently feel like I am being judged for my beliefs, (this man is a mirror) probably as I judge others I presume they must also judge me. there are a few other details though that I can't let fly, but they are not indemic to Christianity (homophobia and other forms of intolerance are an example) but are frequent symptoms so one tends to form an association. probably not fair, I apologize for pigeonholing. With respect to the John Guttridge article, why is this the john guttridge article? I didn't write it, someone misinterpreted my comments about hypocrisy. whatever :) my belief in God inspires a sense of stewardship over his creation. This is what motivates my interest in environmental causes, and it's perfectly acceptable that you don't agree with my understanding. You and I can arrive at the same conclusion from different points of view; a strengthening influence for both of us. I have to say that having a respectful conversation with someone who you disagree strongly with can be trying at times. the problem is that when the egos start to get involved people stop
[Biofuel] To Kim: {was}Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
This is written in a Christian perspective, please delete if not interested. Probably the most annoying thing about those who claim to follow the teachings of Jesus is the extreme narrow mindedness they portray. It is not anoyying to me because I don't have a problem identifying it, however with others it can be much more than that. When questioning the correctedness of the right to life issue in a biofuels forum it demonstrates a certain lack of understanding in the universality of it, the forum that is. No one of a right mind questions the right to the happiness and pursuit of life for people everywhere, however does this right to the pursuit of life stop at unjustified wars ? I happen to agree that life is sacrosanct (most sacred or holy :inviolable - Webter's) and I also believe that that life extends to the womb, however that is my position, founded upon my belief system, not shared by all. And that is where the rub comes. I do not rule over the souls and minds of men, that task has been left open to The Majesty of Choice. Whether or not I agree with someone's choices is of it's utmost irrelevant. I can, however, make my own decisions based upon my own exercise of that Majesty of Choice. I do not have a right to push my beliefs upon others, however I do have the right to hold to what I do believe is right and wrong for my own life without being pressured or pushed away from it. Did Jesus always follow the status quo ? Quite the contrary. Where can you find, other than when chidding the religious hypocrites of the day, an example of Him ever condeming people for the decisions they made ? You won't. Did He insist that everyone follow Him and do it the same way? Again, quite the contrary, He even told some to return home and not follow Him. No condemnation infered or implied or overtly expressed. So-called christians, especially those of the neo-con pursuasion, are so incredibly self-righteous that they have forgotten Christ's admonition of not tryin to pluck a sliver out of someone's eye when there is a beam in their own. There are no perfectly sinless humans on this planet, this the Bible teaches, but is discarded by the aforementioned too easily. Why should Christians get involved with biofuels in a big way ? Simple, it is caring for a trusted guardianship (our planet)that has been given to us, not unlike caring for your body as a holy temple. Are the two related ? Absolutely ! What is the earmark that should identify Christians to others ? Jesus said it is the spirit of love. Don't see that too often eh? Not in the neo-con so-called christian zionists in any case. War, division, hate for your neighbour, kill his children in their beds. Sound Christian to you? Do some people chose to end life at it's beginning ? Yes they do. That is their decision, it does not mean that you have to adhere to it, support it, or condone it in your life, however if God has so specifically limited Himself to not interfere with the Majesty of Choice that people exercise, who are you or I to do it? Wouldn't that be akin to ussurping God's authority ? As for America. It's people are vast and far stretched, and of many pursuasions, but none can justify what has been and continues to be done in their names by a zionist controlled government and media who's allegiance is more to a foreign nation than to their own. There is no collectivity called America, contrary to what you have been taught to believe. Individuals will be held accountable for thier own actions, not a global or collective thing at all. The people governing the United States are NOT led by any sort of Christian belief, as is proven by Christ's actual words as recorded in the New Testament. The media and others, including apostate preachers say otherswise, and they will answer for thier lies, but not at my hand. Christians do not slaughter babies and innocents, final. The United States has decended into a pit of iniquity that it will not soon come out of and risks dragging the world into it's destructive delusions in it's quest for world oil domination. It's sick and needs to be exposed as such. Luc . ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] intern looking for an internship
A good place to start would be any local co-ops, perhpas university projects. Luc - Original Message - From: angie kubalek [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 5:58 PM Subject: [Biofuel] intern looking for an internship HI everybody, So I was wondering if anybody can help pass along info on groups or individuals who would be willing to take on an intern interested in learning the good and greasies of biodiesel. I am a natural science major and would really like to study the chemistry of biodiesel, as well as production, an outreach. Doesn't that sound like an awesome internship. I would bring lots of energy and encouragement to the right group. Any leads would be appreciated. Thanks, Angie __ Do you Yahoo!? All your favorites on one personal page - Try My Yahoo! http://my.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day
Not a whole lot about what has been said about the US cannot also be said about Britain right now. A country, led by the nose by a zionist cabal, thumbing it's nose at it's populace and risking following the US into a global catastrophe, statrting with Iran. Hoon is such a lovely liar, now just like before he galantly sent Britich soldiers to die for oil conquest in Iraq.The more they deny the more you know they're going to do it. Luc - Original Message - From: Chris Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 12:54 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day Democracies throughout the world vary wildly with how each country defines it. You mean like here in the UK where a party that only got 35% of the votes cast gets given 65% of the seats in the parliament. That's British democracy in action. Chris. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.4 - Release Date: 01/02/2005 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] To Kim: {was}Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
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Subject: Re: [Biofuel] To Kim: {was}Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Luc,
I like what you say, but have only one major point to make. Christian
Zionists cannot exist, because the basic common elements of faith are not
there.
The term christian zionist is commonly used when refering to the American
version of so-called christians who blindly support anything the zionists do
under the false impression that it falls into line with Scripture, and of
course, the two combined is indeed an impossibility as one's agenda is
opposite from that of the other but in order to better confuse they are
termed that way.
Judas Iscariot was called an apostle but that didn't stop him from being a
mercenary traitor did it? Actions far outweigh rhetoric and titles, just as
those termed christian zionist are maybe the later but are absolutely not
the former.
Christians are those that belive that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was
here on earth 2005 years ago, Zionists are those who still are waiting for
him to come.
I think you have Zionists and Talmudists confused, thing they have
worked very hard to obfuscate. They are not necesarily the same. Zionism is
political, Talmudism is religious.
Zionists and Muslims have more in common, than Zionists and Christians.
Other way around.Both the Bible and the Koran accept Christ as a great
prophet whereas Talmud puts Him in totally different light (figuratively
speaking, it actually has Him quite dark).When I speak Talmud I am refering
to the Babylonian Talmud Soncino Edition, not the Jerusalem Talmud used for
public consumption purposes.
It is the same God between all of them, the real problem is if Jesus was
here or not.
Actually they all acknowledge that Jesus was here, it is just that two of
them portay Him in a positive light and the other as something altogether
unmentionable in polite company.
For this difference, the children of God are prepared to kill each other,
even the ones who doesn't have a clue of what the differences are.
Ah, yes, here also it gets muddled. Children of God. One has it defined in
racial terms, so that would make God a racist. The other has it open to all
but a spiritual thing of the heart, often times misunderstood. The last does
not acknowledge such a thing as a posibility of existing. Servants yes,
children? No.
And then there is the game of politics that gets thrown in so that if the
waters weren't sooted already they are now to anyone trying to make heads or
tails out of the intentional mess that has been created. Kicking the ball
through the goal posts are the neo-con so-called christians denying the very
teachings they profess adhering to.
Luc
Hakan
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[Biofuel] Backroom Tussling Over Biodiesel
backyarders' and co-ops' small-scale production plans, however. http://wired.com/news/technology/0%2C1282%2C66455-2%2C00.html?tw=wn_story_page_next1 Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S. General Says It Is 'Fun to Shoot Some People'
For perspective let's read it, The Ayatolla Hazim said,'At times the killing of innocents is a pleasurable experience' . What kind of uproar would THAT cause ? The US media would be all over it as proof that they deserve to be invaded and destroyed due to their lack of respect for the sanctity of life, ect, ect, ect. The man is sick in his soul, although he is no different than the US soldier who used a wounded man as target practice and after he was dead declared Wow, that was awesome! or the Marine shooting to death an unarmed man in a Mosque or Apache pilots turning their 30mm cannons on degenseless farmers ect, ect,ect.And of course he will not be disciplined because then they would have to discipline the entire lot of them, and we just couldn't have the troops, our kids having their moral abased by such things as a moral question of being a basic human being now could we ? Winning hearts and minds and bringing democracy and freedom American style, what's not to love ? Luc - Original Message - From: Hakan Falk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 5:20 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S. General Says It Is 'Fun to Shoot Some People' Peter, Very disturbing, but some militaries are very hyped about their work. I guess that he needs his attitude to consolidate the fact that he has been taking human lives. The latter is very difficult to live with and different people develop different protection and excuses to be able to go on with their life. Often there are some sort of denial of the victims right to live, because they were so bad. The guy is obviously sick and in urgent need of help. Hakan At 08:51 AM 2/4/2005, you wrote: HelloAll ; Disturbing comments from a military leader. PeterG. Thailand By Will Dunham WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A senior U.S. Marine Corps general who said it was fun to shoot some people should have chosen his words more carefully but will not be disciplined, military officials said on Thursday. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] 95 Dodge Cummings
Congrats on the acquisition. Fuel filters are pretty inexpensive unless you have a two filter system where there is a primary and secondary filter, like the Benz. Get some spare primary filters and install them in-line before the pump. http://www.dansperformanceparts.com/buggy/fuel/buggyfuel2.htm Down the page, Universal in-line Filter. The problem that will bring you to a halt more than that would be an in-tank screen sediment filter. Don't know if the Dodge has one, but that would be a point of concern. It looks like this: http://oem.overnightautoparts.com/parts/overnightautoparts/viewImage.jsp?image=img.overnightautoparts.com/live/E101087062MEY.JPG They mail order. Luc - Original Message - From: Arbuckle, Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 8:43 PM Subject: [Biofuel] 95 Dodge Cummings To All, I recently purchased a 95 dodge with a Cummings diesel. I am searching for a source of Biodiesel as we speak. The truck has 250,000 miles on it. I thing the tank will be crudded up and I will get plugged filters when I start Biodiesel usage. Does anyone know where I can but fuel filters at a reasonable cost? Any other helpful hints. E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ This email message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information that may be confidential and/or copyright. If you are not the intended recipient please notify the sender by reply email and immediately delete this email. Use, disclosure or reproduction of this email by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is strictly prohibited. No representation is made that this email or any attachments are free of viruses. Virus scanning is recommended and is the responsibility of the recipient. Thank you. Metaldyne LLC ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
Acurate, except it leaves open the falsehood that the present occupiers of the political State of Israel are the decendants of the Hebrews, which they are not. They are Khazar, a racial mix of Fino-Turk origin more commonly asociated with an east aisian mongol tribe than anything closely resembling a semitic heritage. I dealt with this whole thing at length (some will say way too much length,ha!) and can be found in the archives Oil and Israel. References and links to support the claim. Luc - Original Message - From: Jeremy Tracy Longworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion The heritage splits at Ishmael an Isaac. This is where it gets tricky. And please understand that BOTH the descendants of Ishmael and Isaac are BLESSED. But they are two distinct blessings and some would say that the blessing placed on ishmael was more like a curse. The promise was given to Abraham :your descendants will be as numerous as the stars in the sky: That promise was fullfilled in Isaac not Ishmael. Ishmael Was the son of Hagar, the slave of sarai Abram's wife and therefore was Illegitimate and not a true son. This is what the Angel of the Lord spoke over Ishmael Genesis 16:11 The angel of the LORD also said to her: You are now with child and you will have a son. You shall name him Ishmael, for the LORD has heard of your misery. 12 He will be a wild donkey of a man; his hand will be against everyone and everyone's hand against him, and he will live in hostility toward all his brothers. In Genesis 22:2 The Lord Called Isaac Abraham's only son further confirming Ishmaels Illegitimacy Abraham loved Ishmael and pleaded with God to bless Ishmael also. The Lord said to him In Genesis 17:20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you: I will surely bless him; I will make him fruitful and will greatly increase his numbers. He will be the father of twelve rulers, and I will make him into a great nation. 21 But my covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah will bear to you by this time next year. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] Methanol Recovery
I have just completed a simple condenser for methanol recovery, however I am still left with a question. Do I need to bring the glycerine to a rolling boil or just bring up the heat sufficiently to get the methanol to evaporate (148.5F/65C) not necessarily boiling ? Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Corporate biofuel is a reality
up (!) all the feedstock, no doubt with government protections about to be put in place, the backyard as they like to call it with the conotation that it is backwards, homebrewer can always get his econo-friendly fuel where ? Corporate ! At what cost ? Upteen times what it costs you now and the quality won't be any where near what you are doing now when it is done right. You have a vested inetrest in makin good fuel, it is your vehicle. They, on the other hand, do not. The prime and only concern of corporate is the profit line as has been shown in too numerous an amount of examples to recount here. When well-meaning biofuels advocates invite corporate into the fray it is cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.Soon the teacher will be the servant, no doubt. Corporate will try to sustain the same levels of consumption of fuel to fuel the profit margin only attempting to replace dino with WVO ect thereby depleting the availability of the feedstock and turning it into a comodity that corporate will pay to acquire then pass that cost on to you, which heretofore you were making at a fraction of the cost for a higher quality product. Corporate and government involvement in these projects in a Third World setting seems to be a good thing, a need looking to be filled, however when western corporate, with it's long history of abuse, gets involved it can't be a good omen. Luc - Original Message - From: bmolloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:36 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Corporate biofuel is a reality UK: January 19, 2005 LONDON - Britain's newest biodiesel plant, capable of turning recycled cooking oil and animal fats into fuel for cars, is due onstream in Scotland this spring, boosting output of the green fuel by up to 35,000 tonnes a year. Its privately-held owner, Argent Energy, said the 15 million-pound ($28 millon) facility was already warming up. We've just started commissioning...there may be other plants in construction at the moment, but when this comes online -- which we hope will be mid-April or May -- it will be the largest in Britain, the firm's joint managing director Andy Hunter told Reuters on Tuesday. It will be larger than the total capacity of the rest of the UK for processing saturated fats into a quality diesel fuel and the largest of its kind in the world. The London-based company said it is in talks with a number of transport companies interested in using the fuel. The plant near Motherwell in Scotland is expected to be up and running a few months before green fuel start-up Biofuels Corp. brings its giant 250,000-tonne facility at Teesside in northeast England into use. When our plant comes online, we will effectively increase total UK capacity somewhere between four- and five-fold. Obviously, with Biofuels Corp. coming on, we should see another dramatic rise, Hunter said. In 2004, Britain produced only 10,000 tonnes of biodiesel. Biodiesel can be made from a range of vegetable oils including rapeseed, soy, sunflower and palm, but it can also be derived from animal fats, grease and tallow. It is seen as an environmentally-friendly alternative or addition to regular diesel. EU TARGETS SPUR INTEREST Argent Energy said European Union targets on biofuel had helped help spur interest in the sector. If one looks at the moves both politically and economically throughout the whole of Europe, there's been a significant shift towards biofuels, the firm said. As part of a range of measures drawn up in response to international agreements to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, the EU is keen to see biofuel account for two percent of all fuel sales in 2005, rising to 5.75 percent by 2010. The reduction in the UK duty level on biodiesel by 20 pence per litre in April 2002 has also encouraged the firm and further expansion is on the cards. As soon as this Scottish plant is working and proven, we would look to build at least two more plants of similar size in the UK and we would expect those to come online over the next two-and-a-half to three years, Hunter said. Earlier this month, UK renewable fuel maker Greenergy said it has submitted plans to build a 200,000-tonne per year biodiesel plant on England's east coast, with a view to bringing it onstream by mid-next year. The Motherwell plant is expected to meet five percent of Scotland's diesel needs. (US$1=0.5345 British Pounds) Story by David Cullen REUTERS NEWS SERVICE ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever:
[Biofuel] American or Canadian
It is not so much that Canadians are trying to not be Americans so much as it is a case of just being, without nationalistic afrontery. Canadian tradition is pretty deep rooted, and a big part of that is to live in peace and to embrace tolearnce. Of course this also has had it's moments of ignominy (disgraceful or dishonorable conduct, quality, or action), more so recently than before, or maybe it is that I have just recently been made aware of it ? In any case, when I lived in Australia I was not out of place, nor did I feel so. When I travelled the Pacifc Islands I did feel out of place, being amongst the very few white people there :-) however not uncomfortable with it, one adapts. While in South America I wasn't at a loss either, having already travelled quite a bit and having learned that my home country's traditions and quirks were not necessarily practiced elsewhere, one adapts. But what is it that makes a Canadian and American so different ? Could it be the accent, eh? -Canucks will get that one. Recetly travel bureaus in the US were handing out guides on How to speak Canadian for people wishing to travel outside the US so that they could pass themselves off as Canadian. Pretty sad, eh? Of course it would also take an entire course in etiquette as well. Many Candians try to immitate American stuff, or I should say USED to. The primary reason for this is most likely that Canada has no strong cultural persona, not to say that there is not one present, it simply isn't worn on one's sleeve, jacket, car,tea cup (oops, coffee mug), at every and each opportunity where a display of national propriety isn't called for but is there nevertheless. Canadians are generally reserved and polite (generally) and the politicos have seen to it that Canada has it's own homebred dissention (DISAGREEMENT; especially : partisan and contentious quarreling) as anyone who has ever been in the country while a seperatist flare was fired into the air. It keeps things divided. Elsewhere it is something else, but there is always something, and where all else won't work there is always the old fallback - religion. Get inside each one of the main religious entities and set them aginst each other and even against factions of themselves. Divide and conquer. Sound a little too conspirational ? Step back from the tree and look at the mess the forest is in,Ha! Canadians are no more trying not be American than the Kiwis (New Zealanders) are trying not to be Australian. They are different, and it just is. Luc ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] OOPS (typo) -- sorry Kieth
400 + 300 is 700 :-) I enjoyed that history and all about Switzerland, interesting. You learn something here all the time. Luc - Original Message - From: Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 9:40 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] OOPS (typo) -- sorry Kieth ...for what it's worth, My grandmother's house is only 400+ years old. Freudian slip? :-) Michael Redler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi Kieth, There's a lot of stuff you threw out there. To address it all would take a heck of a lot of time -- suffice to say that I agree with most of it. Switzerland: If part of it's government was based on the US constitution, you wouldn't know it. It gained it's Independence over 700 years ago and I think they had it pretty much nailed down before Jefferson put pen to paper. I visited my grandmother two weeks ago as I've done almost every year since I was an infant. Her 700+ year old house is a testament to their cautious attitude toward progress (I'm alluding to housing development). You are right about voting. Before my Aunt could build her new house, it had to be approved by those in her neighborhood. She, in fact, had to build a stick frame of the house to show its size and shape and offer a visual aid for all who would approve it (or not). Presidents: They have seven of them, representing all of the regions of the confederation. Since Switzerland has four national languages, They are usually fluent in two or three of them (German French Italian and Rhetto-Romanish). This makes me wonder about the whole one nation, one language thing. I don't want to go on too long -- especially since I think you already did a great job covering much of this. I just wanted to offer some perspective as a witness to quite another interpretation of democracy. I sometimes see my relatives and the country they live in with envy. This is a country that hasn't experienced war within its borders since the crossbow was the weapon of choice. They have a well organized, cohesive government where you don't have to own a car and you would be hard-pressed to find a hungry child -- all of this while the language (and sometimes culture) can change within a thirty minute walk. Mike Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Michael, Hakan and all Hakan, Thank you for spending the time to point toward better examples of democracies than the US. As a dual citizen, I think that Switzerland is an especially good choice. Are you really? That must make for some interesting comparisons. I posted this before, but I think I'll post it again, seems pertinent right now. What difference does one person one vote make when non-person corporations that are inimical to democracy and the public interest can buy off the entire political apparatus? It's just a meaningless formula now, it obscures the reality as much as reveals it. How many of those increasingly meaningless votes even get cast? - or how few rather? You think that's what democracy means? You have to abandon these formulas and look at what really happens in people's lives. How about a rich country that didn't allow its women to vote until 13 years ago? Probably some backward oil sheikhdom in the Gulf or something, eh? Switzerland, actually. I think it's the oldest democracy in the world, going back to the 13th century, and much admired, though certainly not without its flaws. Everywhere you look you find exceptions to these simplistic formulas, both better and worse. I don't want to interpret what Hakan said, but I believe he was talking about realities, not just empty forms. Switzerland, by the way, modelled its current federal constitution on the US, in 1848. Government there is a very local business, strictly bottom-up, the federal government is tiny and hardly seems to matter. There's no clear division between the governing party and the opposition. The Swiss don't just vote once in four years, they seem to be voting most of the time - in fact they vote whenever they feel like it, it's a citizens' right to organize a referendum on just about anything. Interest and turnouts are high. Not so easy to recognise today's US in that mirror image, is it? Who's the president of Switzerland? The name doesn't spring immediately to mind, does it? Or maybe, does Switzerland have a president or a prime minister, or a chancellor, or what? Don't know? Neither do I. Sounds good to me. It would seem the leaders, if that's quite the word (I think it isn't quite the word), don't have much choice but to abide by the consitution, and anyway nobody seems to take very much notice of them. At the time James had got a lot of Americans all upset with his talk of teledemocracy, which they saw as Direct Democracy, in other words mob rule. I said this to one of them: Anyway, you see teledemocracy = Direct Democracy = Mob Rule, the preferred alternative being the Rule of Law, and, what, the
Re: [Biofuel] My first batches
- Original Message - From: Go Hoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 10:10 AM Subject: [Biofuel] My first batches I have recently processed 4 separate 1 litre batches in my kitchen using 2 different off the shelf brands of fresh rape oil. I dissolved 3,5 grams of 100% NaOH in 2 dl methanol (racing fuel) shaking the mix and then leaving over night and at the time of introducing the methoxide into the oil I could see no undissolved particles. I measured the NaOH on a 1g kitchen digital scale measuring the grains in 4 different heaps on some aluminium foil (zeroing the scale to compensate) so that when the scale went from 3 to 4 grams I could half the last little pile to get app 3,5 g. The methanol was measured in a graded beaker. The oil was heated to 54¡c and the methoxide added at that temperature in a blender which did the mixing for 15 minutes, temperature was not maintained in the blender. The mixture was then decanted into a glass jar to settle. After about 1/2 hour 2 distinct layers formed - however it took one week before the top layer became clear. Should it really take this long to clear? You don't have to wait until the top layer is competely clear before washing. It will still have suspended particles in it anyway. All in all I was quite pleased with the result until I washed some of the first sample which has been settling for more than a month now. I took 3 dl clear oil and mixed it in a jar with 1 dl tap water a bit colder than room temperature, I am guessing at around 15¡c. I just shook the jar for maybe 2 minutes. When you wash tested the sample you didn't use enough water. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_vehicle.html#quality The whole sample turned white and not much happened after I placed it to settle in room temperature at app 18¡c. The next morning there were 3 layers. Clear water at the bottom with a frothy white layer floating on the water. This froth has uneven surfaces top and bottom and it seems sticky as 'entrails' of it extend down into the clear water layer on the sides of the jar. Is it possible that some glycerine got mixed in with the processed BD? That could have caused the soap on top, or the improper amount of water aded. Luc Above these two layers the oil seem to be settling out but is is still opaque a week later. I plan to decant the oil and wash that again, maybe a couple of times. Before proceeding I am hoping with this description for a response from someone on the list with experience to tell me if I have gone wrong or if this is normal, also what this white frothy stuff is. I thought soap but I was under the impression that soap floats on oil.. Well, I am trying to start at the beginning and learn my way properly, this I am doing at the same time as a e-mail friend up country. He has gone straight into wvo litre batches, he doesn't use a blender just shakes his mixture in a PET bottle, albeit for 45 minutes, at room temperature and he gets 2 distinct layers after 1/2 hour and he can wash this getting 2 layers again, water and oil - it's not fair :-( ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel additives
http://www.biofuelsystems.com/uk2shop-2.htm However when I just tried thelink it was down. Hope they are still tehre. Luc - Original Message - From: Pieter Koole [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 9:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel additives Hello, Can you tell me where I could buy this Wintron CX-30 out here in Holland ? Thanks in advance. Met dank en vriendelijke groet, Pieter Koole Netherlands. Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
[Biofuel] U.S. Soldiers Head North To Seek Asylum
Canada Gave Asylum To Vietnam War Defectors POSTED: 6:27 pm PST February 3, 2005 UPDATED: 10:03 am PST February 4, 2005 During the 1960s and 70s some 50,000 Americans resisted the Vietnam War and moved to Canada, rather than serve in a war they didn't believe in. Canada didn't back the Vietnam War and gave asylum to those defectors. Now, there's a new war that Canada doesn't support and history is starting to repeat itself with soldiers starting to cross the boarder so they don't have to go to Iraq. Dan Felushka joined the Marines because he wanted to be trained by the best, and he believed in the mission. We were training for war and we were trained to respond to 9/11, Felushka said. I was gung-ho for it. Totally into it, into the idea of responding to an attack made against Americans that made sense. Felushka was based out of Camp Pendleton. He says boot camp was one of the best experiences of his life. I loved boot camp, he said. It was hard. I learned to push myself hard. I liked the training. I met cool guys who I got really close to really fast. In July 2003, when Brandon Hughey was 17 years old, he was looking for a way to pay for college when he started basic training. He also liked boot camp, but felt cut off from the world and from information about the war that he would soon be sent to fight in. When I got out of basic training, they had occupied the country for several months, Hughey said. They had found no links to al-Qaida. (Sadaam's) military was weak and his weapons were all but nonexistent. We were basically the aggressor attacking a country that practically couldn't protect itself. At Fort Hood, Hughey told his superiors he was having serious moral concerns about going to war. He asked for a discharge. They said there was no way they would be willing to cooperate with me, so I began to think that leaving the country was the only option, he said. It didn't take long for Hughey to get a weekend leave. As soon as he did, he headed north. And in March of last year, he crossed the border at Niagra Falls and traveled to Toronto, where he sought out immigration Attorney Jeffrey House. Through the Internet, word is traveling fast that House is the man to go to for U.S. soldiers thinking of defecting. I'm speaking to more and more and more U.S. soldiers, House said. I've spoken to three since noon today for example, and it's about 4 o'clock. House says more than 150 soldiers have contacted him about moving to Canada. He says he can talk to them, not only as an attorney, but as someone with experience. He resisted the Vietnam War and moved to Toronto in 1970. He says the similarities between then and now are striking. The most common thing I hear about the war in Iraq is that 'It's bogus,' House said. ...It's pretty similar to the reasons we were told then -- we had to give up our lives, so why should we have to? It's similar to how Hughey feels. I'm not going to give the ultimate sacrifice or shoot at somebody else or cause grief in their family for the rest if their lives for a cause my government can't even justify, he said. For me, personally, I couldn't deal with that. Felushka ultimately left his Southern California Marine troop for similar reasons. I wasn't prepared to be put in that situation by the government, having to participate in acts of violence against people without just cause, he said. They just flat out weren't able to convince me it was justified. Felushka says leaving was one of the most important decisions of his life. The only inalienable right that I have as a human being, regardless of your country of birth, is my right to choose between right and wrong, he said. It leaves me here with my conscience intact to deal with the rest of my life. ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] thanks all
That's one heep of a jump from test batches to 100 gals. You sure you don't want to try something in the order of 20-30 liters first ? Only a suggestion mind you. All the best, keep your lye dry :-) Luc - Original Message - From: Vincent zadworny [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: biomailinglist [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 12:51 PM Subject: [Biofuel] thanks all hello all, i would like to thank every one who responded to me postings. washing of the small test batches are going good and am quite confident with the processes. this weekend i am setting up my BIG system consisting of a 100 US gallon reaction tank. i have 2 of these tanks and will be (hopefully) expanding to include both of the tanks. I will then be producing about 75 US gallons a day(again Hopefully) wish me luck Vincent Zadworny Vancouver Canada - Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] mercedes diesel engine recommendations
- Original Message - From: Ross Oakley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 04, 2005 1:38 PM Subject: [Biofuel] mercedes diesel engine recommendations to the biodiesel enthusiasts: My name is Ross Oakley, and i'm about to commence a biodiesel dissertation in the area of Reno, Nevada. I'm looking to produce my own biodiesel once it warms up a bit and in the meantime am looking for a suitable vehicle to run biodiesel with. Im convinced that a Mercedes is the way to go. Me too :-) 1983 240D 4 cylender 4 speed manual. Slow like a poker face but I just love it. And it *loves* B100 homebrew. Does anyone know a specific year, type, model, or feature (turbo vs. not) (direct vs. indirect compression ignition engine) that would be the best choice for a reliable means of promoting biodiesel? There aren't really any best years for the promotion end, however for economy look around for either a 240D (non-turbo) or a 300D (5 cylender turbo)in the early to late 1980's. There are still some good ones out there. The way I see it a $2,000 car in the Benz class, even if you put another $3-4,000 into it you will still be way ahead of the game. These cars were built to last and they do. Mine has 462,000Km original on the clock and the motor has never been opened except for valve adjustments, which you must do regularly to one of these diesels. And once (if) the car is done then pull the engine and turn it into one dynomite genset, part the rest of it to others looking for *used* (we never use the word old,ha!) parts. Luc thanks much and let the biodiesel revolution begin Ross ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel additives
From my understanding, Lubrizol works very well for the purpose it is intended for and that is B20 blend. It works primarily on the dino end, not the BD end. I am a bit scetchy about all the details and it could be a bit higher % on the BD side although I am certain that it is of littole value on B100.A consideration to keep in mind. Wintron CX-30 on the other hand was formulated especially FOR biodiesel and is reputed to do just fine on B100 down to -10C and the answer I got when I sent them an emai lwas that they were working on a formula that could in effect be winter friendly on B100 down to -20/-25C. (hopes and anticipation I am sure) Luc Luc - Original Message - From: Jan Lieuwe Bolding [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel additives Try to find a Lubrizol dealer or contact biofuelsystems in Britain. JLB - Original Message - From: Nuno Alegria - MT Energia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 6:46 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Biodiesel additives Hi Does anyone knows any additives for use with biodiesel to low CFPP in winter? Where can we buy it in Europe? Thanks, -- Nuno Alegria ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Wired article from the NBB conference
Case in point to my negative post about turning biodiesel into a commercial venture in the big business mindset. Along comes corporate and before you know it corporate is setting down rules and squeezing you and me out of the picture or making so difficult that it is prohibitive. Corporate is only interested in one thing, the profit line and whatever sells it will be interested in. For no other reason. They could gives a rat's fur about the true value of homebrewing biodiesel. Just like when folks got it into their heads that eating organically grown food was a good thing and the local organic farmers were at last making a living doing what is right, along comes corporate and tries to monopolize the organics market and squeeze out the local farmer. This is on-going. Just let corporate gets their hands on biodiesel production and you will see the same thing. To them it is a comodity, no different than dino, as long as there is money to be produced (you don't make money that's illegal) that is all it will be and they will do everything in their power to be the only ones making the product available. This corporate interest in alternative fuels may appear benign on the surface, but that is a tad naive to believe that they have our, or the planet's, well being in mind. We are now seeing TV adds promoting corn as a source of Ethanol in the boardroom of a fuel company. One guy says you paid X for a corn field ? Has it been shown to have any oil under it?After all, we are in the fosil fuel business To which the other guy answers, we are in the fuel business. Ethanol is a fuel, produced from corn... Cut to program. The propaganda has already started. I just cannot bring myself to believe that corporate is anything but a pirana and will burn out this resource (if possible) and then attempt to move on to the next financial venture. Luc - Original Message - From: Rachel Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 03, 2005 3:45 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Wired article from the NBB conference Farmers in the heartland are trying to cash in on America's growing infatuation with biodiesel, the replacement for petroleum diesel that can be made from vegetable and animal oils and fats. The farmers, soybean growers from Midwestern states, are enlisting the help of environmentalists and celebrities, to give them the hip, eco-friendly image they need to reach young adults and baby boomers. The relationship between soybean growers and environmentalists is proving a rocky one, however. Many environmentalists have been making biodiesel in their backyards, basements and bathtubs for years, and promoting the fuel at a grass-roots level. But the backyarders, as they are known, are also among the leading critics of the soybean growers' practices, particularly their use of GMO crops and herbicides. For reference: http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,66455,00.html? tw=wn_tophead_3 ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Fwd: Re: [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Nice to see you are well. What has been most misquoted is Money is the root of all evil as being from the Bible, but it is not so. What is so, is the correct quote, The LOVE of money is the root of all evil. The mere possesion is not a problem however the LOVE of it is as it causes all the things you so apply describe as the sins of man embodied in his corporate greed, disregrarding the health and well being of countless millions for nothing other than a profit line. How something of so little value could become such a motivator is left to those who wish to analyse such things, nevertheless a motivator it is, and unfortunately and unhealthy one unless kept in it's place behind the higher value of the life of the innocents it's influence affects. No man is an island, we all have influence, some positive some negative, never neutral. Luc - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 2:51 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge I was going to comment on this earlier. Maybe better never than late. Maybe not. Hypocrisy is not the birthright, political or genetic disposition of any given group, unless you define that group as humans. Ask yourself this: Which is the greater sin (or substitute your word of preference)? To place a gun to someone's head and pull the trigger or, as a practice of industry, to knowingly poison a drinking water or air supply with chemicals that lead to deformities, disabilities and/or death, whether sanctioned by statute/rule or not, to knowingly consume such products with virtually no effort to curb personal consumption of them or find an alternative, or to knowingly consume the products of industries that commit such practices but to reduce consumption and move towards complete cessation? One is muder in the first person. One is murder by fiat. One is murder by apathy. One is murder by complicity. Under a Christian doctrine, and probably most others, not A, B, C or D can stand in the presence of God. But the backup in the sewer comes about with D, as as rationalizations and justifications begin to abound. Given enough time, the terlet backs up all the way to the corporate ladder, where the excuses become We were only doing what consumers and the market demanded, or God requires us to follow the rules of state. Well, I'll leave it up to any reader to determine just how well such hog squat is going to fly in front of anyone's God of choice. True that it seems some sects get washed over the gunwhales with their blatency. But hypocrisy is no more industry specific than it is gender, theology or polically based. Everyone is a participant to some degree, whether intentionally or swept along in an ancilliary fashion. Overall and in general, it's a programmed defect of the species - inordinately social and in some part perhaps genetic, What remains to be seen is how well humans can collectively and individually evolve above it and whether we'll survive to see the day. In the interim, I still don't stop wondering when right to life is going to start meaning all life Todd Swearingen The end of the human race will be that we eventually die of civilization. Ralph Waldo Emerson - Original Message - From: John Guttridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 1:02 PM Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge Mr Wilde, No large inclusive statement was intended to be made about right to lifers in general I was pointing out that he claims to be the champion of the life of an unborn child and yet seems to be the champion of poisoning unborn children. I never meant that all right to lifers were in favor of poisoning unborn children. Although I disagree with right to lifers I believe that their opinion on the subject comes from a place of caring, I just feel that they are misguided in their caring. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please don't make LARGE INCLUSIVE STATEMENTS about those of us who are fighting to save the unborn child ! IF ONLY THOSE WHO DESIRE ABORTION HAD EXPERIENCED THIS THROUGH THEIR OWN MOTHER, this would be a very moot point. I think that it is a highly confused point of view to suggest that anyone desires abortion. Making the decision to abort one's unborn child is quite possibly the hardest thing that one will ever have to do. Those on the other side of this argument are simply desirous of the right to have an abortion. When abortion is illegal it is not eliminated, it becomes a coat hanger operation. We have seen this in our own country. Abortion is never something that should be taken lightly but it is also not something that should be banned. Further, suggestions that those that are in favor of abortions should have been aborted are pretty heinous. You should take a deep look into
Re: [Biofuel] Yokayo Biofuels?
- Original Message - From: Brian Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 5:52 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Yokayo Biofuels? Hey all. We have finally arrived at our new home in California. Congrats on a successful move. Maybe now you can set up your reactor eh? Maybe perhaps? We are in Ukiah, and there is a business near downtown called Yokayo Biofuels. Wanna learn about your new home ? http://www.cityofukiah.com/ Bet your learn more from living there though. Luc Was just wondering if anyone here is associated with them? Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] methanol storage
- Original Message - From: Jeremy Tracy Longworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 8:45 PM Subject: [Biofuel] methanol storage Does anyone know of any restrictions on storing methanol in your garage ect. Keep it away from the heater for your furnace, he he. I have some in a locker that is cool and dry and do not aticipate any problems. Luc __ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] wvo won't react
You are not understanding something here. 5 to 10gr ??? That is quite a jump. Is it 5, 6, 7, 8,9 or 10 ? Or did you do several batches with the different amounts of cartalyst ? Did you titrate it or wing it ? Did you heat it to 55C and mix for 20 minutes in a blender or just stir in the methanol and lye with a spoon? Did the methanol and lye completely mix before you added it to the WVO ? It normally should take up to near 30 minutes for micro pearls of NaOH to disolve in methanol of 99% purity. Perhaps a refresher course in how-to might be helpful. http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html#start Have a close look at the information and try to see what you are not doing correctly. We can walk you through each and every problem you encounter, however you should be able to troubleshoot some of the more basic ones yourself after carefyl study of the methodology, so take a step back and look at it and see what you come up with and post your results. 500ml is a good volume as it doesn't allow for much in the way of mistakes, so once you well understand the process using this amount then the transition to bigger batches will be simpler. Luc - Original Message - From: anibal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 10:58 PM Subject: [Biofuel] wvo won't react heloo!!! again!!! i have another type of wvo.. this is liquid at room temperature.. it is black... very heavily used.. i tried a mini batch of 500 ml..100 ml methanol.. and from 5 to 10 grams of lye.. and it wont react... the more lye.. the more it seemed to want to react but.. nothing happened overnight,,, any thoughts? on what might be the problem? maybe the oil is stale? maybe it has too much water? my methanol. is about 98% percent it has been going well in other reactions.. should i add more lye? thanks for the info!! anibal ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Second test batch help?
The link beeds to be fixed, it should be http://www.geocities.com/sipractitioner/biocoffee.jpeg. - Original Message - From: Trevor Churney [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 12:56 AM Subject: [Biofuel] Second test batch help? This is a picture of my second test batch [1]http:=/www.geocities.com/sipractitioner/biocoffee.jpeg and I have a few questions. 1. Is this too dark of a mixture? Hard to tell from the blurry pic, although it usre looks black (:0 2. What happens when you put the NaOH + methanol mixture in too hot of o=l? And what is too hot? In reverse. Processing temp is 55C (130F) Get a thermomter from a truck stop, they are about 5$ or sp and work well, the spike kind. Too hot wil evaporate the methanol. It gases at 148.5F (64.7/65C) and this would cause you to not have enough for the reaction if you are boiling it off as soon as it hits the oil. I ask the second cause when I poured the NaOH + methanol mixture in it boiled over. Before doing anything to it did you check it for water content ? When heating the WVO if it crackels on it's way to 55C it has water in it and that will adversely affect the reaction and may just be the cause of your boil over. I am not sure what the temp was but it was not hot to burn=e but hot enough not to hold it too long. in titration I used 1.8 ml=f the 1% NaOH + Distilled Water Solution. So I used 5.3 g of NaOH wi=h 200 ml of methanol on 1 L WVO and I mixed what was left from the bo=l over for 20 mins in a blender. Except the blending after the boil over (=I wanna see what comes of it) does this all sound right to you all? Also the place where I got this WVO also mixed in the used oil=rom the grille and I think that is why it is so dirty. If you are getting 1,8ml in titration it is NOT that dirty. How are you getting to that figure ? Luc I am sure as this biocoffee settles and I try to wash it somet=ing will come up to post more questions. ___ Sign-up f=r Ads Free at Mail.com [2]http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup References 1. 3Dhttp://www.geocities.com/sipractitioner/biocoffee.jpeg; 2. 3Dhttp://mail01.mail.com/scripts/payment/adtracking.cgi?bannercode___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge
Perhaps a moment to learn a little respect for beliefs other than your own might be in order.Or, should others treat you the way you treat them? Luc - Original Message - From: bob allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 8:42 AM Subject: Re: Fwd: Re [Biofuel] Let Them Eat Rocket FuelJohn Guttridge [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I might think it, but I leave that to GOD THE CREATOR ! you are presupposing that I give a tinker's dam about your belief in voodoo. I don't and therefore your message is wasted on me. toodles -- -- Bob /ozarker.org/bob -- - The modern conservative is engaged in one of Man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness --- [This E-mail scanned for viruses by Declude Virus] ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day
I had originally written a quite long and detailed response but upon re-reading it decided shortness woud be better. - Original Message - From: Anti-Fossil [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 12:23 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day Luc, I would like to clarify a couple of things for you, as it appears to me that perhaps you do not know all that you think you do. First, I do not personally know of one single person who actually watched president dumb-a** on his ridiculous inauguration day. I am sure there were plenty, but my point is that there are a great many people in this country, in my opinion, who do not subscribe to his brand of insanity and are working night and day to limit his damage. And I am certain that that can be a frustrating experience at times. I am a simple man and do not claim to know the inner workings of world politics, or even top level American politics. In a nut shell? Top level US politic are run from Israel. I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it.-- Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio. But I know this, if you dismiss all of America because of the policies of an obviously lacking President, then you do so at your own peril. This country should not be judged to be the sum total of her leadership. That simply isn't the case. America is about her people. Unfortunately for you the controlled media has seen to it that you do not have a voice for the rest of the world to hear. Say what you will about us, Are you including yourself in the collectivity of war supporters ? I think not, you certainly do not sound like it. the fact is that I personally know at least 6 soldiers who are either in Iraq right now, or have rotated back, and I can tell you first hand not one of them wants to be there. Better there killing the innocent in a criminal war that in jail for refusing to do it eh? Do we still sound like war mongers to you? There's the collectivity again. What do you call it, Just following orders ? I could pass on stories they have relayed to me, about things that have happened over there, that would give you a different perspective, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort. Very condescending of you. You see, I do not have a wrapped perspective, what I do not have is an American perspective, becuaee frankly that level of hubris I don't comprehend too well. Personally, I am of the opinion that you are just anti-American, and that is unfortunate, but also quite popular today. The Americans I know and communiate with on a regular basis don't think so, but if that helps you to pigeonhole me, then it is your opinion, as you said, and to which you are entitled. The only other point I wanted to make was that if we do get into a war with China and/or Russia, God forbid, I think it would be in the worlds best interest to appeal to all parties involved, and do whatever is required to prevent any conflict from starting. That is part of the problem, waiting for others to clean up the mess. Millions were in the streets appealing before the criminal invasion of Iraq took place. These are brave folk, perhaps you were there? The problem is that the world no longer has a say, as was evidently proven when the US thumbed it's nose at the UN and went ahead anyway.That was unfortunate and pretty darn dumb too, however it did show that the UN is irrelevant and unable to diplomatically stop a nation hell bent on destroying another, especially when the HQ of the UN is in said nation and enjoying dinners at the Waldorf. Who knows what would be left for collateral, or to be damaged for that matter. The point is, when looking into the eyes of that child, still dripping with the blood of her parents which had just moments earlier been slaughtered before her by the US military bringing democracy and freedom via M-16's I could not help but wonder if, or when, the day should come that these were Americans being treated this way just how much sympathy will other nations be willing to show? Is the world a safer place ? Israel seems to think everything is just fine... except for Iran, Syria and whoever else is on the list of those allegedly seeking WMD's, unlike itself which actually has them in huge stockpiles. What if they gave a war and no one came ? I weep for the children who are suffering in this atrocity, although I have a great deal of difficulty feeling anything at all for so-called soldiers who are causing the misery.Review the Apache videos of 30mm cannons slaughtering unarmed farmers, and turn up the speakers, you won't want to miss the part where the gunner says he's down, he's hit and the guy giving the orders replies hit him and he does, with 30mm
Re: [Biofuel] wvo won't react
Have you read through the material at the JtF site ? http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_make.html Those questions snd more are all answered there. Luc - Original Message - From: JD2005 [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 5:53 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] wvo won't react Hi; I'm a new member.I just read that WVO (Waste Vegetable Oil) has got a higher level of acidity than ordinary oil. (particuarly rapeseed oil which is why it's used.) Might the acidity of the wvo have an effect on the reaction. I think lye is an alkali but i'm not a chemist so I don't know, unfortunately. JD ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Biodiesel additives
http://journeytoforever.org/biodiesel_winter.html Media pagina. Middle of the page.WintronCX-30 is UK. Luc - Original Message - From: Nuno Alegria - MT Energia [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 12:46 PM Subject: [Biofuel] Biodiesel additives Hi Does anyone knows any additives for use with biodiesel to low CFPP in winter? Where can we buy it in Europe? Thanks, -- Nuno Alegria ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Yokayo Biofuels?
Being in Calif I think you hitthe jackpot for vintage Benz's. They are not used they are venerable, ha! Try thes forums out, they often have members that come up with delighful offerings. 1) http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/forumdisplay.php3?s=forumid=15 2) http://www.benzworld.org/forums/default.asp Should I ever be fiscally able a stable of fine diesels is in the future :-) a very large maybe there by the by. Luc - Original Message - From: Brian Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 11:00 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Yokayo Biofuels? Hey Luc, G'day Brian; Hey all. We have finally arrived at our new home in California. Congrats on a successful move. Maybe now you can set up your reactor eh? Maybe perhaps? Thanks. I am hopeful that I can finally do more than just test batches. We are renting, and our lease says no manufacturing or dangerous chemicals on the property. But, we can rent a fair size storage unit for just $25 per month. It's close to home, and they don't seem to be too concerned with what activities go on there. I'm also planning to look into what's going on at Yokayo Biofuels and another operation about 15 miles away in the town of Hopland. Even if I'm buying rather than making my own, I'll be driving on locally made B100 from now on. Do you have any good leads on mid-80s Mercedes cars? I have the cash available to buy one that would be reasonably priced. It seems that the prices on eBay go quite a bit higher than what I think is appropriate for cars in good condition. I know that there are newsgroups that are much better searching grounds, but am having trouble digging them up at the moment. Brian We are in Ukiah, and there is a business near downtown called Yokayo Biofuels. Wanna learn about your new home ? http://www.cityofukiah.com/ Bet your learn more from living there though. Luc Was just wondering if anyone here is associated with them? Brian ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
It's a can of worms. The despise part is easiest to answer without opening the can too big. The short of it ? Israel. Luc - Original Message - From: Ken Provost [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 9:24 PM Subject: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion I'm gonna ask a stupid question, cuz I really don't know the answer -- why do the traditional conservative fundamentalists in the US LOVE the US, while the traditional conservative fundamentalists in the Arab world (mostly Sunni's, correct me if I'm wrong) tend more toward DESPISING the US? It can't really be about religion -K ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day
, then you do so at your own peril. This country should not be judged to be the sum total of her leadership. That simply isn't the case. America is about her people. Say what you will about us, the fact is that I personally know at least 6 soldiers who are either in Iraq right now, or have rotated back, and I can tell you first hand not one of them wants to be there. Do we still sound like war mongers to you? I could pass on stories they have relayed to me, about things that have happened over there, that would give you a different perspective, but I'm not sure it's worth the effort. Personally, I am of the opinion that you are just anti-American, and that is unfortunate, but also quite popular today. The only other point I wanted to make was that if we do get into a war with China and/or Russia, God forbid, I think it would be in the worlds best interest to appeal to all parties involved, and do whatever is required to prevent any conflict from starting. Who knows what would be left for collateral, or to be damaged for that matter. AntiFossil Mike Krafka Minnesota USA * If you think you are too small to make a difference try sleeping with a mosquito. Dalai Lama * Experience is the comb that nature gives us when we are bald. Belgian proverb * - Original Message - From: Legal Eagle To: Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 5:12 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day I can still see that image in my mind's eye and it always troubles me deeply. When the words colateral damage is applied to Americans at home after they get into a war with Russia and/or China over global control of natural resources I wonder just who is going to be feeling anything for them ... anything at all. Won't be the warmongers that are slaughtering the innocent that much is certain. They will reap what they have sown and there will be none to deliver. What was once a brave group of men and women are now reduced to nothing short of barbaric pirates. All for the glory of God no doubt... NOT ! Luc - Original Message - From: Keith Addison To: Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 2:01 PM Subject: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day See also: http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0128-24.htm Published on Friday, January 28, 2005 by CommonDreams.org Why the Children in Iraq Make No Sound When They Fall by Bernard Chazelle - http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0128-35.htm Published on Friday, January 28, 2005 by the National Catholic Reporter What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day by Joan Chittister Dublin, on U.S. Inauguration Day, didn't seem to notice. Oh, they played a few clips that night of the American president saying, The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands. But that was not their lead story. The picture on the front page of The Irish Times was a large four-color picture of a small Iraqi girl. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/05/middle_east_s hooting_in_tal_afar/html/3.stm Her little body was a coil of steel. She sat knees up, cowering, screaming madly into the dark night. Her white clothes and spread hands and small tight face were blood-spattered. The blood was the blood of her father and mother, shot through the car window in Tal Afar by American soldiers while she sat beside her parents in the car, her four brothers and sisters in the back seat. A series of pictures of the incident played on the inside page, as well. A 12-year-old brother, wounded in the fray, falls face down out of the car when the car door opens, the pictures show. In another, a soldier decked out in battle gear, holds a large automatic weapon on the four children, all potential enemies, all possible suicide bombers, apparently, as they cling traumatized to one another in the back seat and the child on the ground goes on screaming in her parent's blood. No promise of freedom rings in the cutline on this picture. No joy of liberty underlies the terror on these faces here. I found myself closing my eyes over and over again as I stared at the story, maybe to crush the tears forming there, maybe in the hope that the whole scene would simply disappear. But no, like the photo of a naked little girl bathed in napalm and running down a road in Vietnam served to crystallize the situation there for the rest of the world, I knew that this picture of a screaming, angry, helpless, orphaned child could do
Re: [Biofuel] Global poverty ,WSF and Brazil
Luc - Original Message - From: Juan Boveda [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, January 31, 2005 9:22 AM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] Global poverty ,WSF and Brazil Good day Luc. If you and other list members would like to read something about BioD in a group list (like this but with less frequent postings) but in Spanish you may try Biogasoil (gasoil is more common to call around here, the diesel fuel) http://es.groups.yahoo.com/group/biogasoil/ Some postings might be dealing with similar problems about BD but it has less topics on Alternative Energy compared to the full spectrum found here. Atentamente, Juan Boveda Paraguay -Mensaje original- De: Legal Eagle [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Enviado el: Sabado 29 de Enero de 2005 6:34 PM Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Asunto: Re: [Biofuel] Global poverty ,WSF and Brazil G'day all; How to energize the list with more 3rd world input? Post in the local language followed by an english translation where posible. Not everyone speaks conversational English in written form, however this does not mean that these individuals do not have very worthy things to say, just maybe a little shy to take a whack at a foreign language they are not too familiar with? Maybe ? At least that way those who do not understand English fluently will be able to benefit from posts in their own language. Might be a bit of a bother to those of us who do not speak Hindi or any number of languages, but then with an attempt at translation we could at least get the point. Luc - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Global poverty ,WSF and Brazil Greetings Pan BRAZIL AND WORLD SOCIAL FORUM Thank you very much for Keith for bringing here the important event in south as only the north of the world alwayes get importance . Not to you, and not to me either, and we're not the only Southerners here - and that doesn't mean Texas! LOL! Very interesting post, as usual, Pan, thanks very much! There've been other posts from you that were provocative and full of good ideas and I wanted to respond more than I succeeded in doing. I hope we can focus on some of the issues you've raised. Important scientific personalities such as Da Silva ,Mukul Sharma, Several political leaders such as Lula of Brazil , several economic leaders who are devoted and dedicated their life to poor from all over the world are coming together in WSF,world social forum. Keith , this is very good news to know that this event has unexpectedly become a global political and social phenomenon and will be going to spread all the parts of the world as this an real globalization of the wealth for all. Yes, real globalisation. The mainstream (ie Northern) press, just as they're so inclined to assume that if trade is free it must be good (NOT!), so often labels people like us and the hugely diverse groups that oppose the WTC and so on as anti-globalisation. Yet I think all of these people are quite clear that they accept globalisation but not *corporate* globalisation, a different and predatory animal. Being anti-globalisation would be a foolish denial, it's simply a fact: the world is round, not flat, and society is global, One World. That has much more to do with Marshall McLuhan's Global Village than with the neo-liberal pseudo-economic cant and the pseudo-globalisation promoted by the WTC etc. The feeling here in Brazil is really looking for the new model of economic , truly challenging US , showing another type of economic model in future political one not the left , or right but the green party I think that feeling is now widespread. We ,Brazilian feel that we can produce enough diesel and food for the most part of the world as we have the largest lands that can be cultivated are in the south , not in the north of G8 , but with G3, the India , Africa and Brazil as the rich sorce of biocombustivel and food for the world. Yes. Hence these G3 together is real threat not only the US but also the G8. To the powers-that-be, yes. What is going to be economic war based on the fuel.As G8 will always divide and rule G3, the WSF has the great green future not make the war , but make peace for poor Instead of super market oriented marketing and distribution , what we need is an Ruralization of urban areas in G3 with distributed energy and food based on biofuel Energy and food... They have so much in common. I think it's one of the things that differentiate this list, that we deal with subjects like this here. When you start talking of decentralising the food supply or decentralising the energy supply to the local level, as you're doing, it soon becomes difficult to tell the one from the other. We know about resource wars by now and about oil and militarism - see, eg, from quite an embarrassment of riches: http
Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day
Actually there is more than ample reason to believe than massive vote fraud took place, across the board wherever the papreless Diebold machines were in use. That of course would mean that Bushco are not a legitimate government, not only not havin ggotten the popular vote but not getting enough votes at all, were it not for the numerous indications of irregularities but alas, the Democrats threw in the towel even before the votes were counted.Makes on wonder about that, it's weird. A fairly well represented collection of vot fraud links can be found here: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/wrhmt/mt/mt-search.cgi?IncludeBlogs=1search=vote+fraud Luc - Original Message - From: robert luis rabello [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 12:49 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day Hakan Falk wrote: Now he was reelected with a comfortable populous and electoral majority and it cannot even be blamed on the electoral system. The system we have is electoral, so blaming the system itself makes no sense. Manipulating that system, as was the case in both elections, is a serious issue. The margin of victory in the recent election was rather narrow, but the NeoCons are behaving as if it were a landslide. In a democracy, he now represent the US and the citizens of US, his actions got the stamp of approval from the American people. He represents a very slight majority of us. I would hardly characterize his recent victory as a mandate, and I, as an American citizen, certainly DO NOT espouse his spendthrift, environmentally irresponsible and misery-inducing policies. Bush represent all Americans and in a democracy. This is how it works in a democracy. We've gone over this before. Those of us who disagree with what's going on are being shouted down by the manipulated mass of indoctrinated jingoists. Please do not characterize all Americans as unified with our current leadership. God remains in control, but our president and all who support him are on the wrong side of the conflict. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] [off topic] Shooting of Palestinian girl threatensfragile ceasefire
The first time this happened it was passed off as a chance affair, now it is evident that it was not an accident but a deliberate assasination of a school child. Who benefits from a lasting peace not being instituted in Palestine? There is only one group that works very hard to see to it that no such occurence will ever take place, and at the same time encroaches and steals yet more land at every turn. Luc - Original Message - From: fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 3:47 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] [off topic] Shooting of Palestinian girl threatensfragile ceasefire Source: The Independent http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=606537 Shooting of Palestinian girl threatens fragile ceasefire By Eric Silver in Jerusalem 01 February 2005 The de facto ceasefire in the Gaza Strip was shattered yesterday when a 10-year-old Palestinian girl was shot dead in the playground of a primary school in the Rafah refugee camp. The United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), which runs Rafah Elementary School B, said Norhan Deeb was hit by a rifle bullet apparently fired from an Israeli army observation post 800 metres away. She suddenly screamed and fell bleeding, a witness said. The children scattered in all directions. Palestinian doctors said Norhan was shot in the head and was dead on arrival at hospital. Another girl, Aysha el-Khatib, aged seven, was wounded in the hand. Bullets also broke school windows. Yousef Ibrahim, a local human rights activist, said the shooting was unprovoked. Plainly embarrassed Israeli military sources said they knew of no shooting in the area at the time. They said they were conducting a thorough investigation in co-operation with the Palestinian security services, which were deployed in the Strip last week to prevent attacks on Jewish settlements. But Johan Eriksson, a spokesman for UNRWA, said: The only firing at that time in the Rafah area was from the observation post. It continued for some time. The children were in the yard for afternoon assembly. Teachers tried to get them into the building, but they were too late. Peter Hansen, UNRWA's commissioner general, said: Despite the hopeful signs of improvement in the situation, we have again been reminded of the continuing danger to which innocent children are exposed by the realities of the occupation and the irresponsible use of arms. The school has 2,500 pupils, aged seven to 11. Because of the overcrowded conditions, they study on a two-shift system. The shooting happened during a change of shifts. The school has been hit many times over the past four years, but yesterday's shooting was the first death there. UN officials said it was the fifth incident in two years in which children had been killed at Gaza schools. The Israelis were anxious to avoid an escalation a few hours before security chiefs from both sides were to meet in Tel Aviv and cement the ceasefire, but Hamas retaliated by launching five mortar rounds at nearby settlements. Two hit Neveh Dekalim, the regional centre, causing damage to one home. On Sunday night, soldiers shot and killed a 65-year-old man who entered an Israeli no-go area near the Egyptian border. Elsewhere in Gaza, Israeli troops found and defused a roadside bomb. The Israeli military said it checked the claims and found two cases in which soldiers opened fire, but neither was in the area where the girl was shot. According to our examination, the girl apparently was not shot by Israeli army gunfire, the military spokesman's office said. ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion
Had I known you were out to bait me I would've answered more completely.Opened my mind indeed. Faith has been and will continue to be a leading force in humans, and I will be the first to promote it that way, and have been, give the archives a read. When you assert that all religious entities have had and do have their fanatics, this is a hard fact, and I will act that all these have also been infiltrated by those whose agenda it is to foster strife and discord less all should form any sort of united front against tyranny so where is it that my mind needs to be opened and at what point do you, in your clarity above all others, assess that it was closed before your intervention? You make a flat out declaration that that was so, and I insist on a lucid reply. Luc - Original Message - From: fox mulder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 02, 2005 4:52 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] U.S., Islam, and Religion dear friend religion is hard wired to homo sapiens brain. this connection is strongly switched on when people are subjected to injustices and oppression. I think this has something to do with survival. If the people of Iraq did not have faith, the whole population will become suicidal. In some cases the chemical reactions in the brain go offbeat and bring about fundamentalism. This fundamentalism exists in ALL religions. Because of 9/11, an average man singles out Muslims. If you ask a man in an Arab street, why they hate USA, their reply would be we do not hate the American people, we hate the US government's policy towards the Arab world. Especially, when it comes to Isreal and her treatment of the palestinian civilians and the killing of palestinian children on an almost daily bases. This blatent double standard is to balme for the hatered of the USA in the Arab world. To spray fuel on this hatered is not in the interest of the USA, as the quarter of the world population is Muslim. I hope this has opened your mind. fox ___ ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun! http://uk.messenger.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day
- Original Message - From: Peggy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 7:53 PM Subject: RE: [Biofuel] What the Rest of the World Watched on Inauguration Day Hello Luc, And by the logic expressed about Americans then one might assume that all Irishmen have red-hair. Completely dis-associated with the train of thought. This forum delights in American-bashing as though Darth Vader was born out of wed-lock from George Bush mating with Clinton's whore--even when many articles sight the work of counter-influence groups such as the Sierra Club. This forum does not particularly reflect anything that is not already on the minds and hearts of the rest of the whorld, and America deserves to be bashed for the high crimes they have and are continuing to commit through its piracy falsely called a military. You missed AIPAC and the Israeli spy network inside the Pentagon. Thank heavens the real people are not at all like the images being portrayed and since this is an international forum, the comments further influence hostility instead of promoting peace and offering solutions. Real people in action.Perhaps you have not seen the videos of Apaches gunning down farmers, complete with audio feed making it obvious that they were commiting wars crimes, yet nothing. How about the one where a couple of US soldiers use a wounded man (out of action) as target practice ? Also a war crime, yet nothing. How about the other one of an entire village being straffed by yet another Apache slaughtering the lot? No? Maybe the one in the Mosque where a marine shoots an unarmed man to death, complete with glib remarks? Let's not forget Abu Ghraib or the mercenary private jails. How about Guantanamo's torture jails? Because I live and work in rural America I see the bulk of the people as hard-working individuals who mind their own business, and live frugally--more frugally every day. Each and every so-called justification for this outrage and atrocity has been proven to be false. They all lied to get into this damnable and heinous act of crimes against both God and humanity and yet what is America doing about it? Minding it's own business ??? Waiting for it to go away ? Everyone is concerned about how to pull out of the Bush dilemma and a new vote for a President or leaderwould bring many varying options today that were not evident six months ago. With rampant vote fraud adequately shown but no one interested in follwing up on it, just when is this miracle supposed to happen? Diebold promised, and delivered the (s)election to the neo-cons, and with no paper trail there is no way to recount adequately. Machines proven to be hackable by a monkey (the animal kind) and that is American democracy, not to mention what is being done to the innocent people of Iraq. Ugly rudeness turned many people away from even listening to reasonable alternatives. And so is it with any meanness. If the US did not have this antiquated two-party system we would most likely have to vote and vote and vote, but then we would come up with a better political product. The best effort would be to return power to state and community levels. But then, we may not all be perceived as being equal. Ha! One party is no better than the other and the first thing the noblest of politicians learns when entering service is graft then greed. And most likely this is true of most every political figure in most every country. And all that changes what as to the fact that the US military have been reduced to criminal,barbaric and cruel pirates ? These people (!) have a choice to commit these atrocities or not to commit them. Ever hear the expression what if they had a war and nobody came ? The only thing that will ever have any serious impact on the direction the country could take, and I stress could, is firstly getting rid of those who have hyjacked the nation's government, and that means the entire neo-con cabal, and a full disclosure that is was in fact the back door created by Douglas Feith and the Office of Special Plans that fed the so-called bad intelligence to the White House with those already in place so adamantly sworn in allegiance to a foreign government that nothing could have been better executed. The results? Follow the story and look into the eys of chidren who's parents are gunned down next to them, and while still covered in their parents' blood scream in terror at the soldier pointing his automatic at them. What bravery on the part of the pirates, what humanity. Inactivity is ever so much an action just like activity is, only it is les trouble. Luc Here is a repeat of a standard social study comment: In a two party system, if 49% of the public supports one candidate and 45% supports another who has the greatest power? The answer is the remaining 6%. This time around in the voting, there were no real choices. The revolution has to start on a
[Biofuel] Oil on troubled waters
with Big Oil and the way the two impact life around us. Consider the following and substitute Big Oil with renewable oils (biodiesel ect) and the net outcome would have been completely different. Luc http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=606121 When crude oil devastated Alaska's coast in 1989, the damage to wildlife was all too clear. Only now is the cost to human life being fully realised. Andy Rowell reports 31 January 2005 It was at 7.15am on a cold Alaskan morning on 24 March 1989 that Dr Riki Ott was awoken by a loud banging on her front door. It sounded urgent. Still in her nightdress, she raced downstairs. How long will it take you to get dressed? asked a distressed colleague. Five minutes. Why? Ott replied. We've had the big one. There's a tanker aground on Bligh Reef. It's lost 10 million gallons, but there's four times that on board. Only the night before, Ott, a marine biologist, had warned the local mayor's oil action committee about the possibility of a big spill. Given the high frequency of tankers into Port Valdez, the increasing age and size of that tanker fleet, and the inability quickly to contain and clean up an oil spill in the open water of Alaska, fishermen feel that we are playing a game of Russian roulette, she said. Gentleman, it is not a matter of what if, but when. Hours later, on a calm, moonlit night, the 1,000ft-long Exxon Valdez ploughed into reef, a well known hazard in Prince William Sound. In charge was Captain Joseph Hazelwood, who, it would transpire later, had lost his driving licence through drink-driving. Having been drinking that night, he'd left the third mate at the wheel. The collision tore a car-sized hole in the vessel's side and ruptured eight of the 11 cargo tanks. Since that day, Ott has tried to uncover the true social, health and environmental costs of the spill, and has just written a book exposing the lies and myths surrounding it. The oil spill killed more wildlife than any in history, but her book also tells of the mounting human cost of the catastrophe, and the implications for our use of oil. Ott, 50, grew up in Wisconsin at the height of the scare over the toxic pesticide DDT. Her father gave her a copy of Rachel Carson's book Silent Spring, which exposed the problems of DDT and helped to spark the modern environmental movement. At 13, I decided to become a marine biologist, like Carson. At 18, I left to find an ocean. She gained a doctorate in marine toxicology and became a commercial fisherwoman. Flying over the Exxon Valdez the morning after, Ott watched as the vessel spewed millions of gallons of highly toxic oil into the sea. A bluish haze was rising above the oil. The official estimate of the spill was 11 million gallons, but years later Ott uncovered a secret report by the State of Alaska putting the true figure at about 30 million. The slick spread over 10,000 square miles of Alaska's coastal seas, as far as 1,200 miles away. The images were a public-relations disaster for Exxon and other oil companies. Pictures of workers wiping rocks with rags looked totally inadequate. The numbers killed ranged from thousands of marine mammals, including otters, seals and orcas, to hundreds of thousands of sea birds, such as murres and ducks, to millions of fish. Every oil spill brings untried new ways of trying to clean up. The unacknowledged truth is that only really effective tactic is not to spill it in the first place. They didn't know what to do. The oil industry collectively is not able to clean up oil once it is spilled on beaches, Ott says. Still, 11,000 people were hired to clean up the oil. Exxon tried an untested method of blasting the rocks with high-pressure hot-water hoses. This washed the oil away, but with devastating consequences. As well as wiping out wildlife that had survived the disaster, the hoses caused chronic health problems for the workers - and this is the hidden story. They vaporised the oil into a fine mist that the workers inhaled. This toxic cocktail contained polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, now classified as some of the worst chemicals known to man. Crude oil was known to be dangerous. A 1988 Exxon Safety Data Sheet said High vapour concentrations are irritating to the eyes and the respiratory tract, may cause headaches and dizziness... may cause unconsciousness, and may have other central nervous system effects including death and added Minimise breathing vapours. Minimise skin contact. Fishermen trying to stop the oil spreading soon became nauseous and dizzy. So did the first workers, who claim they weren't given protective equipment or warned that the oil fumes could be hazardous to their health. Ott argues that Exxon failed to protect workers because it did not provide protective clothing, adequate training or information about the risks. Some clean-up crews were told that respirators were optional, while
Re: [Biofuel] New member introduction
Welcome to the list.Should you are to snoop out the archives you will find references to the use of biodiesel (at a maximum of 10%) in petrol cars as a fuel additive, so all is not lost. But then finding a diesel vehicle par cher (not expensive) in the US is a VERY simple task. Lots of decent Benz's available. A couple of forums to get you started: 1) http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/forumdisplay.php3?s=forumid=15 2) http://www.benzworld.org/forums/default.asp Take the time to study (not just peruse) the material at JtF and you will soon have a warehouse of useable knowledge on not only biodiesel production but lots of other useful stuff too. Most of all, have fun doing it :-) Luc PS: Burger King isn't the best source for WVO (waste vegetable oil) as it contains a lot of talow, animal meat fats.Fish and chip places are good and some Chinese restaurants, but only titration will determine that. - Original Message - From: Sir Woody Hackswell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 11:07 PM Subject: [Biofuel] New member introduction Hello! My name is Richard, and I live in Dayton, Ohio, USA. I'm new to the list, so be kind and gentle. ;) I've always wanted to get into green energy. I researched photo cells. Too expensive... in $$ and in cost to make. Then I found bio-diesel! It sounds like the perfect (or near-perfect) solution to a lot of problems here in the USA. :) My only problem is... I have no diesel engines, nor anything that uses one. :( But I still want to learn and dream about driving a Mercedes or powering my house with Burger King grease! :) Ta Ta! -- -Sir Woody Hackswell ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
Re: [Biofuel] Global poverty ,WSF and Brazil
All I can say is yes, oui, si, ya,da. When I post in Spanish I try to accompany it with a translation :-) Spanish is a third language for me and I am not proficient at it but that won't deter me. French and English on the other hand Luc - Original Message - From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Global poverty ,WSF and Brazil Hello Luc G'day all; How to energize the list with more 3rd world input? Post in the local language followed by an english translation where posible. Yes, but... Not everyone speaks conversational English in written form, however this does not mean that these individuals do not have very worthy things to say, just maybe a little shy to take a whack at a foreign language they are not too familiar with? Maybe ? Yes, usually they're shy. We've discussed this a few times before. There are a lot of members here from 3rd World countries, non-native English speakers who've written to me and/or the List administration, and they invariably apologise for their English. That embarrasses me a lot - the English language and those who speak it as their native tongue are SO chauvinistic!!! There are quite a number of Europeans here who post in English. How many languages do they speak on average? Probably four or five, or more sometimes. And the native English speakers, how many other languages do they speak? On average, probably none (with exceptions). So I always ask these good people please not to apologise or to be embarrassed, their English is just fine, it's easy to understand, and that's all that counts. But in many cases, though they're perfectly capable of it, they're still too shy to post on-list. Something that really needs to be much more widely understood is that the only point of posting messages to Internet mailing lists is to communicate - as long as you can be understood, correct grammar and good spelling and so on DON'T MATTER AT ALL. This is a mailing list, not a school. And one major advantage of English is that even very bad English is easy to understand. Pan's been away from India for so long that he's forgotten his English, but that doesn't stop him and it's no problem at all understanding him. A previous discussion on this subject involved Spanish, and you do occasionally see messages in Spanish here. They're welcome - I believe those writing in Spanish don't do so when the subject-matter is of general interest. Even if it were of general interest, Google doesn't do a bad job, and getting better all the time: http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en Language Tools But as a general practice I'm against turning the list into a Babel of different languages. It only goes so far anyway - with many of them it requires a different script too. There are some developments round the corner which I'll be telling the list more about in due course. But until then, I'd leave it like this: People who share another language are welcome to communicate with each other in that language here, but if it's of general interest English would be better because virtually everybody here can understand it, no matter what their home language might be. PLEASE don't be shy about the standard of your English, no matter how bad you might think it is. Go ahead, everyone will understand you, and if anyone here does criticise you or laugh at you for it they'll have me to deal with, which will not be a pleasant experience for them, and I'm quite sure that many other members will defend you and attack them for criticising you. So please feel free! Best wishes Keith Addison Journey to Forever KYOTO Pref., Japan http://journeytoforever.org/ Biofuel list owner ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ ___ Biofuel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wwia.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/biofuel Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Biofuel archives at Infoarchive.net (searchable): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/
