Re: [SWCollect] How to protect against theft of big-money items?

[Pedro Quaresma]

For "special" items you could also state that you won't accept bidders with less than, for example, 100 feedback.

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Re: [SWCollect] How to protect against theft of big-money items?

[Jim Leonard]

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Love the pencil idea :)  I recently bought a "CD Case" and, oh yeah, 55
bootleg television shows on DVD ;-)
Umm, my idea was not to be able to sell illegal items like this Jim, the 
virtual items I sometimes sell are perfectly legit.
Whoops!  I did not mean to imply that, although I can see I fouled up what I 
was writing.  I was trying to make a comparison and I chose the wrong thing to 
compare the practice to.  Sorry about that!

In case anyone was wondering, the shows I purchased were episodes of The 
Electric Company so I can help my kids to read.  Hardly illegal contraband :)
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Re: [SWCollect] How to protect against theft of big-money items?

[AvatarTom]

In a message dated 12/01/2003 10:42:52 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Love the pencil idea :)  I recently bought a "CD Case" and, oh yeah, 55 
bootleg television shows on DVD ;-)

Umm, my idea was not to be able to sell illegal items like this Jim, the virtual items I sometimes sell are perfectly legit.

Tom

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Re: [SWCollect] How to protect against theft of big-money items?

[Jim Leonard]

Love the pencil idea :)  I recently bought a "CD Case" and, oh yeah, 55 
bootleg television shows on DVD ;-)

I like the idea of requiring delivery confirmation and insurance for paypal 
items over, say, $50.  They're paying $50, they can spring for $5 more.

Thanks to everyone for the advice, BTW.  You're all very helpful.  Believe me, 
after collecting for nearly two decades, it is NOT easy to start letting this 
stuff go!  (Of course, in the end, I will never sell my truly priceless stuff, 
which ranges from Ulysses and the Golden Fleece, to Starflight, to stuff that 
isn't worth a lot of money but worth a lot to ME like Silpheed, Wibarm, and 
Fallout ;)

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Jim paypal seller protection requires delivery and/or sig confirmation. 
However to be fully covered you need to have insurance also. Because if 
you take delivery confirm and package gets lost the buyer can reverse 
the transaction. Even if you offered insurance and the buyer did not 
want it. For paypal payments just state that delivery confirm and 
insurance are mandatory. Again bidpay is a better option and in fact is 
the ONLY safe method I know for overseas. Of course most of the time you 
don't have to worry, MOST people are honest but all it takes is one, 
especially if a high priced item. I did find away around the virtual 
items also, sell them a "pencil" or whatever, take delivery confirm and 
insurance and include the virtual item as a "bonus". That way you 
deliver a physical trackable item along with the virtual item.

Tom

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Re: [SWCollect] How to protect against theft of big-money items?

[C.E. Forman]

Agreed, BidPay is very safe (Western Union owns it 
and they've been around for decades so they know what they're doing).  It's 
also convenient since it allows overseas buyers to pay with a credit 
card.
 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Monday, December 01, 2003 5:50 
  AM
  Subject: Re: [SWCollect] How to protect 
  against theft of big-money items?
  Bidpay 
  I have found to be totally safe so far (check their policies). Great for 
  overseas and/or higher priced items.TomVisit my web page for 
  many games for sale/trade and screen shots of Ultima Escape from Mt. 
  Drash,  Tom's Ultima, 
  Infocom and RPG page 

Re: [SWCollect] How to protect against theft of big-money items?

[AvatarTom]

Jim paypal seller protection requires delivery and/or sig confirmation. However to be fully covered you need to have insurance also. Because if you take delivery confirm and package gets lost the buyer can reverse the transaction. Even if you offered insurance and the buyer did not want it. For paypal payments just state that delivery confirm and insurance are mandatory. Again bidpay is a better option and in fact is the ONLY safe method I know for overseas. Of course most of the time you don't have to worry, MOST people are honest but all it takes is one, especially if a high priced item. I did find away around the virtual items also, sell them a "pencil" or whatever, take delivery confirm and insurance and include the virtual item as a "bonus". That way you deliver a physical trackable item along with the virtual item.

Tom

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Re: [SWCollect] How to protect against theft of big-money items?

[AvatarTom]

Bidpay I have found to be totally safe so far (check their policies). Great for overseas and/or higher priced items.

Tom

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Re: [SWCollect] How to protect against theft of big-money items?

[AvatarTom]

In a message dated 11/30/2003 1:53:13 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


Why?  Are we, the people who live outside the USA and Canada _less_
trustworthy that those who do?  

Nope, it is just paypal does not have any seller protection for sellers who accept overseas payments (must have US verified address to qualify for paypals so called "protection"). So any overseas transaction could be reversed against the seller and there is nothing they can do about it. A few bad apples

Tom

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Re: [SWCollect] How to protect against theft of big-money items?

[Jim Leonard]

Eduardo Alvarez wrote:
I accept only USA and Canada -- good point, thanks for the advice.
Why?  Are we, the people who live outside the USA and Canada _less_
trustworthy that those who do?  
No, hardly at all.  I just wanted to keep it simple since this was my very 
first listing.
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Re: [SWCollect] How to protect against theft of big-money items?

[Edward Franks]

On Nov 30, 2003, at 1:39 PM, Jim Leonard wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hehe, you weren't paying attention to my ranting and ravings about 
paypal?
I did, but because I'm selling a physical item I wasn't worried about 
it as much.
	I'm not sure eBay would let you get away with stating this, but it 
might be worth making a note in the auction description that anyone 
using PayPal must adhere to the terms of Paypal's (Seller) Protection 
Policy.  I don't know quite how to phrase such a statement or even if 
it would be any help, but it might be worth considering.

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Re: [SWCollect] How to protect against theft of big-money items?

[Dan Chisarick]

Less trustworthy?  Of course not.  But there's zero recourse if 
anything goes awry with an overseas transaction, even if its simply 
damaged in shipping.  He's referring to the policies, not the people.  
Personally I've sent things to the UK, Israel, Portugal and Australia 
with zero problems.



On Nov 30, 2003, at 11:55 AM, Eduardo Alvarez wrote:

On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 01:39:20PM -0600, Jim Leonard wrote:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hehe, you weren't paying attention to my ranting and ravings about 
paypal?
I did, but because I'm selling a physical item I wasn't worried about 
it as
much.

They must also have verified
address (ie no overseas sale is safe).
I accept only USA and Canada -- good point, thanks for the advice.
Why?  Are we, the people who live outside the USA and Canada _less_
trustworthy that those who do?
I don't wish to get all riled up about what might be a triviality, but 
it
is a little irksome to hear such a commentary.

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Re: [SWCollect] How to protect against theft of big-money items?

[Eduardo Alvarez]

On Sun, Nov 30, 2003 at 01:39:20PM -0600, Jim Leonard wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >Hehe, you weren't paying attention to my ranting and ravings about paypal? 
> 
> I did, but because I'm selling a physical item I wasn't worried about it as 
> much.
> 
> >They must also have verified 
> >address (ie no overseas sale is safe).
> 
> I accept only USA and Canada -- good point, thanks for the advice.

Why?  Are we, the people who live outside the USA and Canada _less_
trustworthy that those who do?  

I don't wish to get all riled up about what might be a triviality, but it
is a little irksome to hear such a commentary.

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Re: [SWCollect] How to protect against theft of big-money items?

[Jim Leonard]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hehe, you weren't paying attention to my ranting and ravings about paypal? 
I did, but because I'm selling a physical item I wasn't worried about it as much.

They must also have verified 
address (ie no overseas sale is safe).
I accept only USA and Canada -- good point, thanks for the advice.
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Re: [SWCollect] How to protect against theft of big-money items?

[AvatarTom]

In a message dated 11/29/2003 1:48:18 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:


I'm doing my first listing, and halfway through ReelDVD (a product that always 
gets over $300 on ebay) I realized that someone could just claim they didn't 
get it and keep the product.  What is the "best practice" against this sort of 
thing?  Registered mail (or some other delivery type that requires a 
signature)?  If so, which one is best?


Hehe, you weren't paying attention to my ranting and ravings about paypal? Make sure you insure and have deilvery and/or signature confirm. I don't THINK you need sig confirm with insured items over $50 as they have to sign anyway but you do need delivery confirm. This procedure is the only way to go if you accept paypal. They must also have verified address (ie no overseas sale is safe).

Tom
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Re: [SWCollect] How to protect against theft of big-money items?

[C.E. Forman]

Oh yeah, Tom will probably say this too, but you're safer if you DON'T take
PayPal for something this expensive.  It's just too darn easy (and tempting)
for a scammer to pull a chargeback.

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 1:47 PM
Subject: [SWCollect] How to protect against theft of big-money items?


> I'm doing my first listing, and halfway through ReelDVD (a product that
always
> gets over $300 on ebay) I realized that someone could just claim they
didn't
> get it and keep the product.  What is the "best practice" against this
sort of
> thing?  Registered mail (or some other delivery type that requires a
> signature)?  If so, which one is best?
>
> Or is escrow the answer?
>
> Sorry for all the questions, but after collecting software for two decades
I
> am not exactly up on how to let go of it ;)
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Re: [SWCollect] How to protect against theft of big-money items?

[C.E. Forman]

I would recommend signature confimation with insurance.  The confirmation
will act as proof that it was delivered, the insurance will give you some
protection if it's damaged en route.  And it's not too expensive.  For items
like this you may want to call the buyer on the phone before you ship, just
to validate that the info isn't fake.  You can request the contact info thru
eBay.  Maybe reverse lookup the number on WhitePages, too, to verify it
matches the name and address.

(Yeah, I don't trust anyone anymore... 'cept you guys of course! B-)

Escrow is another viable option, but it's more expensive, means longer
turnaround, and you still have to ship with a tracking number for the escrow
service.  (They recommend insurance too.)  I've never used any personally,
as I got turned off by the limited options they'd accept as "valid" tracking
numbers.  That was years ago, maybe they've changed practices since?

P.S.  If you're shipping overseas you're probably vulnerable no matter what
you do.

P.P.S.  If you do get ripped, you know who to tell about it.  B-)

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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 1:47 PM
Subject: [SWCollect] How to protect against theft of big-money items?


> I'm doing my first listing, and halfway through ReelDVD (a product that
always
> gets over $300 on ebay) I realized that someone could just claim they
didn't
> get it and keep the product.  What is the "best practice" against this
sort of
> thing?  Registered mail (or some other delivery type that requires a
> signature)?  If so, which one is best?
>
> Or is escrow the answer?
>
> Sorry for all the questions, but after collecting software for two decades
I
> am not exactly up on how to let go of it ;)
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> Want to help an ambitious games project?
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> Or check out some trippy MindCandy at
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>
>
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[SWCollect] How to protect against theft of big-money items?

[Jim Leonard]

I'm doing my first listing, and halfway through ReelDVD (a product that always 
gets over $300 on ebay) I realized that someone could just claim they didn't 
get it and keep the product.  What is the "best practice" against this sort of 
thing?  Registered mail (or some other delivery type that requires a 
signature)?  If so, which one is best?

Or is escrow the answer?

Sorry for all the questions, but after collecting software for two decades I 
am not exactly up on how to let go of it ;)
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