date:20150803

Working for me.
- Original Message - 
From: James Roberts via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com

To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 12:02 PM
Subject: Reading with the physical mouse in WE 9.2

The 9.2 readme says that reading with the physical mouse in IE 11 has 
been improved. Does this mean that reading with the physical mouse with 
9.2 in IE 11 is about as good as reading with the physical mouse in IE 8 
has been?

I do a lot of web page reading with the physical mouse and don't want to 
upgrade to IE 11 until I have reason to believe mouse reading will work 
pretty well. I don't know if I could revert to IE 8 once I go to IE 11.

Thanks
Jim Roberts

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Windows Explorer in Windows 7

2015-08-03 Thread Tom Fairhurst via Talk

At one time, I thought I could hear the size, or at least an approximate size, 
of a folder spoken. Now, I get no size information even wqhen Size is checked 
under the View menu. Have I remembered wrong or just forgotten something? I do 
hear file sizes. I checked Folder Ooptions in Control Panel and didn’t see 
anything that would directly relate to this.
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Re: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

Okay, the place where I said there were a list of things to choose from is 
where it said choose details.  That's below the checkbox for details.  But 
anyway, I figured that out, but I still can't figure out how to get it to 
show me the file type and size.  I had this somehow get turned off when my 
computer was worked on.  Pam.


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You should hear size if you have details checked under view.
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Subject: Windows Explorer in Windows 7


At one time, I thought I could hear the size, or at least an approximate 
size, of a folder spoken. Now, I get no size information even wqhen Size 
is checked under the View menu. Have I remembered wrong or just forgotten 
something? I do hear file sizes. I checked Folder Ooptions in Control 
Panel and didn’t see anything that would directly relate to this.

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Re: windows 10

Not true, but it will try to use your bandwidth to deliver updates, so
go into update settings, advanced options, and decide how updates are
delivered to turn off.

Veronica Smith via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

 I heard that one of the bugs is Windows 10 will share your WIFI password with 
 all your friends.  
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+madison_tewe=spinn@lists.window-eyes.com] 
 On Behalf Of tchild via Talk
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 As muc;h as we use our PC for watching videos, hulu, WWE network, you tube, 
 etc. By next spring it will be time to replace the pc anyway so, I’ll 
 probally wait till then to move to windows 10, by that time at least the 
 major buggs should be fixed. LOL.
 Tony C.
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Re: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

You should hear size if you have details checked under view.
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From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com

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Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 5:40 PM
Subject: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

At one time, I thought I could hear the size, or at least an approximate 
size, of a folder spoken. Now, I get no size information even wqhen Size 
is checked under the View menu. Have I remembered wrong or just forgotten 
something? I do hear file sizes. I checked Folder Ooptions in Control 
Panel and didn’t see anything that would directly relate to this.

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RE: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

2015-08-03 Thread Don Mauck via Talk

When you have it set to file details, you should be able use the right arrow 
key  to see the date modified, file type and size.
-Original Message-
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk [mailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 4:19 PM
To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

I checked details, but it doesn't change, but what it gave me was a list of 
something like two hundered and something items to check in details.  I want to 
hear what size the files are, and what file type.  Pam.

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Subject: Re: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

You should hear size if you have details checked under view.
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To: talk viaGW t...@window-eyes.com
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 5:40 PM
Subject: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

 At one time, I thought I could hear the size, or at least an approximate 
 size, of a folder spoken. Now, I get no size information even wqhen Size 
 is checked under the View menu. Have I remembered wrong or just forgotten 
 something? I do hear file sizes. I checked Folder Ooptions in Control 
 Panel and didn’t see anything that would directly relate to this.
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Re: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

I wonder if its in a tooltip, is speaktooltips on or auto in the WE control 
panel?
Pamela Dominguez via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

 Okay, the place where I said there were a list of things to choose
 from is where it said choose details.  That's below the checkbox for
 details.  But anyway, I figured that out, but I still can't figure out
 how to get it to show me the file type and size.  I had this somehow
 get turned off when my computer was worked on.  Pam.
 
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 From: Loy via Talk
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 5:46 PM
 To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: Windows Explorer in Windows 7
 
 You should hear size if you have details checked under view.
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 From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 To: talk viaGW t...@window-eyes.com
 Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 5:40 PM
 Subject: Windows Explorer in Windows 7
 
 
  At one time, I thought I could hear the size, or at least an
  approximate size, of a folder spoken. Now, I get no size information
  even wqhen Size is checked under the View menu. Have I remembered
  wrong or just forgotten something? I do hear file sizes. I checked
  Folder Ooptions in Control Panel and didn’t see anything that would
  directly relate to this.
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RE: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

2015-08-03 Thread Van Lant, Robin via Talk

And one other work around that I just found.  If I clicked the Detail view and 
arrow to the file I want, I can then route my pointer to that line with Insert 
numpad + then hit the Control numpad 5 to read the current line and it will 
read everything.  But again, the size isn't' showing for me on folders, just 
files, so I still think the folder properties is what you need. 

-Original Message-
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On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 3:49 PM
To: Tom Fairhurst; Window-Eyes Discussion List; talk viaGW
Subject: RE: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

I'm on Windows 7 64-bit with WE 9.1. My options are set to show file size and 
no matter which view options I pick, it's not reading the size.  I can see 
enough to see the file size is listed for files, but not for folders.  Neither 
read when I arrow up and down.  If you don't find an easy option, maybe doing a 
context key on the folder and selecting Properties will at least get you the 
info. 

 



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Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 3:41 PM
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Subject: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

At one time, I thought I could hear the size, or at least an approximate size, 
of a folder spoken. Now, I get no size information even wqhen Size is checked 
under the View menu. Have I remembered wrong or just forgotten something? I do 
hear file sizes. I checked Folder Ooptions in Control Panel and didn’t see 
anything that would directly relate to this.
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Re: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

2015-08-03 Thread Carol and Roger via Talk

It has been my experience that size is not listed for folders in Windows
Explorer. Is it possible you used another program for a while, say
something like Xplorer? You can get folder info by opening the
properties with the shortcut key of alt plus enter. The total size is
listed along with the number of files and folders inside the folder in
question.

Carol

On 8/3/2015 5:40 PM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote:

At one time, I thought I could hear the size, or at least an approximate size,
of a folder spoken. Now, I get no size information even wqhen Size is checked
under the View menu. Have I remembered wrong or just forgotten something? I do
hear file sizes. I checked Folder Ooptions in Control Panel and didn’t see
anything that would directly relate to this.
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Re: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

2015-08-03 Thread net bat via Talk

just checking details will not always show the file size and date. you have to 
open a windows  pull down, folder options then details i think and check the 
columns you want to show.
the first is name and can not be hidden.
you can if you open the w e control panel/apps. then arrow to windows enhanced 
and check show all colums.

From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk 
Sent: August 3, 2015 3:19 PM
To: Loy ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

I checked details, but it doesn't change, but what it gave me was a list of 
something like two hundered and something items to check in details.  I want 
to hear what size the files are, and what file type.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 5:46 PM
To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

You should hear size if you have details checked under view.
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From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
To: talk viaGW t...@window-eyes.com
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 5:40 PM
Subject: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

 At one time, I thought I could hear the size, or at least an approximate 
 size, of a folder spoken. Now, I get no size information even wqhen Size 
 is checked under the View menu. Have I remembered wrong or just forgotten 
 something? I do hear file sizes. I checked Folder Ooptions in Control 
 Panel and didn’t see anything that would directly relate to this.
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RE: Screen Reader History

2015-08-03 Thread Philip Hall via Talk

Hi.
I do remember that key punch machine. Was it the model IBM 011?
I still remember some of the Hollerith codes.
I did BAL and Cobol programming using punch cards.
Phil


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Subject: Re: Screen Reader History

Yes, I remember punch cards.  I did RPG and COBOL, and I remember the flow 
charts and everything.  You had to write the stuff up in braille, and then 
make the punch cards, then run the punch cards and print it out.  I used to 
be able to read the punch cards.  I know there were those key punch things 
that looked like electric typewriters, but does anybody ever remember those 
manual keypunches?  They had I think something like twelve keys on them, so 
you had to press the right combinations in order to make the letter you 
wanted to write.  Like writing braille, sort-of.  Pam.

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Subject: Re: Screen Reader History

Hi!

Yes, memory lane. Remember those nasty punch cards? You certainly hoped
that no one tripped you up, or you spilled soda on them, for that nasty
picking up the cards and sorting them out...boy those were the days.

I had used basic, self taught for work and re-wrote a Cornel University
experts software he had written for the NCR production line. It did little,
so I did it.
I wrote all 3 points, Data Entry, Data processing, and Data printing of
the charts. All were for quality control all through the production line for
all printers and terminals produced at the Ithaca plant...
Remember, cassette tapes were used back then for data processing, along
with 10 inch disks, that had only about 2K of memory/space on them.
All the data entered by the secretary was processed one at a time and by
noon the data was sorted and processed. I used the 2K disks and limited
memory to do al this stuff...
Talk about the stone age, you certainly learned to use limited space for
everything, for you had no choice.
But it worked, in fact, was all done 6 months before I went blind, a car
accident, and it was my perfect transition over to a new job at the same
company; I was there resident expert and saved the company, so I was told.

Then, after loosing the eye sight I was given a Braille machine, which
was like having a file cabinet next to you. It was made out of Oak wood, for
the printing punches had to be kept quiet and strong enough to be kept from
bouncing around, thus the solid wood cabinet was used and a tray under it
for the perforated Braille paper that came up through a slot as the tractor
pulled it up.

Yes, TriFormations produced that Brailler...

The good old days, or Stone Age as most people would say now. You
know, like the slide rule, our hand held computer back in prehistoric
times...

Bruce

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Screen Reader History


Wow!  This is bringing back some fun memories!

Around 1983 or 84 i started taking some BASIC programming language
classes at my local Radio Shack.they had several Model 4's that ran
Trsdos and CPM.  the instructor had rigged up the systems to speak.  it
was quite crude and was not a Screen Reader at all.  No way to repeat
anything.  but it was a start, I knew right there and then, I wanted a
Computer.  I begged, borrowed and stole enough to finally get one of
those Model 4 systems.  Bought some actual Screen Reader for about $300
and I wa son my way.  Loved playing Zork, and many other Infocomm games.

I was in a Relationship that went bad.  The woman gave me back my
engagement ring, and I traded it to a guy that had several IBM XT
machines.  And once I had my first MS Dos system, there was no looking
back.This may have been around 1986 or 87.I am so glad that
woman broke up with me!  Because she did, I had a Career in Computers.
Too funny.


Bought a screen reader out of Ohio, think it was called Enhanced PC.
then bought the one done by Arctic.  finally came on to Vocal Eyes around
1991 or 92.
When Windows  3.1 came along, I did purchase  some windows Screen Reader
out of Canada.  It sucked, but I needed it for work.

i bought the Window eyes program when it came along.  And it was  a bit
limited, but it worked well enough for me to keep my job.   Been with
Window eyes to this day.  have yet to buy JAWS, although I've helped others
who have it.

thanks for the walk down memory lane.

edline!  Now that makes me laugh.i once had to use that very limited
editor to write COBOL and JCL.  Was using a PC hooked up to a huge
mainframe at Boeing.

I kept wanting to use Word Star to write my code, but was told to use
Edline or else!


Crazy times back then.


-- 
Dave

RE: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

2015-08-03 Thread Van Lant, Robin via Talk

I'm on Windows 7 64-bit with WE 9.1. My options are set to show file size and 
no matter which view options I pick, it's not reading the size.  I can see 
enough to see the file size is listed for files, but not for folders.  Neither 
read when I arrow up and down.  If you don't find an easy option, maybe doing a 
context key on the folder and selecting Properties will at least get you the 
info. 

 



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Subject: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

At one time, I thought I could hear the size, or at least an approximate size, 
of a folder spoken. Now, I get no size information even wqhen Size is checked 
under the View menu. Have I remembered wrong or just forgotten something? I do 
hear file sizes. I checked Folder Ooptions in Control Panel and didn’t see 
anything that would directly relate to this.
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RE: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

2015-08-03 Thread Don Mauck via Talk

Just so you know, this is true with WE, NvDA and JAWS.  
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Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 3:54 PM
To: Van Lant, Robin; Window-Eyes Discussion List; Tom Fairhurst; talk viaGW
Subject: RE: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

And one other work around that I just found.  If I clicked the Detail view and 
arrow to the file I want, I can then route my pointer to that line with Insert 
numpad + then hit the Control numpad 5 to read the current line and it will 
read everything.  But again, the size isn't' showing for me on folders, just 
files, so I still think the folder properties is what you need. 

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On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 3:49 PM
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Subject: RE: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

I'm on Windows 7 64-bit with WE 9.1. My options are set to show file size and 
no matter which view options I pick, it's not reading the size.  I can see 
enough to see the file size is listed for files, but not for folders.  Neither 
read when I arrow up and down.  If you don't find an easy option, maybe doing a 
context key on the folder and selecting Properties will at least get you the 
info. 

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Subject: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

At one time, I thought I could hear the size, or at least an approximate size, 
of a folder spoken. Now, I get no size information even wqhen Size is checked 
under the View menu. Have I remembered wrong or just forgotten something? I do 
hear file sizes. I checked Folder Ooptions in Control Panel and didn’t see 
anything that would directly relate to this.
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RE: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

2015-08-03 Thread Richard G Applegate via Talk

  It sounds like, instead of details you selected Choose Details.  ALT-v 
followed by D will check the Details option.  With this checked simply 
using the cursor keys to move across the row should cause the desired 
information to be read.


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[mailto:talk-bounces+richard.applegate=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 6:19 PM
To: Loy; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

I checked details, but it doesn't change, but what it gave me was a list of 
something like two hundered and something items to check in details.  I want 
to hear what size the files are, and what file type.  Pam.

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Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 5:46 PM
To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

You should hear size if you have details checked under view.
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Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 5:40 PM
Subject: Windows Explorer in Windows 7


 At one time, I thought I could hear the size, or at least an approximate 
 size, of a folder spoken. Now, I get no size information even wqhen Size 
 is checked under the View menu. Have I remembered wrong or just forgotten 
 something? I do hear file sizes. I checked Folder Ooptions in Control 
 Panel and didn’t see anything that would directly relate to this.
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RE: windows 10

2015-08-03 Thread Veronica Smith via Talk

I heard that one of the bugs is Windows 10 will share your WIFI password with 
all your friends.  

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As muc;h as we use our PC for watching videos, hulu, WWE network, you tube, 
etc. By next spring it will be time to replace the pc anyway so, I’ll probally 
wait till then to move to windows 10, by that time at least the major buggs 
should be fixed. LOL.
Tony C.
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Re: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

2015-08-03 Thread Carol and Roger via Talk


Hi Pam,

Try this:
While in Windows Explorer,
Press alt-v for view menu
then press o for sort order
up arrow to more
type s for size.
If it is not checked, check size.
Tab to OK and press enter.
Now, when you want to see size, simply right arrow tothe box which shows 
each of the selected items,

like name, size, bit rate, date modified.
Remember, if you check something that does not report a particular item, 
it will just say

read only, - item.
Folders do not show size.

Carol



On 8/3/2015 6:30 PM, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:
Okay, the place where I said there were a list of things to choose 
from is where it said choose details.  That's below the checkbox for 
details.  But anyway, I figured that out, but I still can't figure out 
how to get it to show me the file type and size.  I had this somehow 
get turned off when my computer was worked on.  Pam.


-Original Message- From: Loy via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 5:46 PM
To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

You should hear size if you have details checked under view.
- Original Message - From: Tom Fairhurst via Talk 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com

To: talk viaGW t...@window-eyes.com
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 5:40 PM
Subject: Windows Explorer in Windows 7


At one time, I thought I could hear the size, or at least an 
approximate size, of a folder spoken. Now, I get no size information 
even wqhen Size is checked under the View menu. Have I remembered 
wrong or just forgotten something? I do hear file sizes. I checked 
Folder Ooptions in Control Panel and didn’t see anything that would 
directly relate to this.

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Re: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

2015-08-03 Thread Brice Mijares via Talk

Pam, try files and folders, also under the view, hit enter on details.
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To: Loy loyrg2...@gmail.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
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Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 3:30 PM
Subject: Re: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

Okay, the place where I said there were a list of things to choose from is 
where it said choose details.  That's below the checkbox for details.  But 
anyway, I figured that out, but I still can't figure out how to get it to 
show me the file type and size.  I had this somehow get turned off when my 
computer was worked on.  Pam.

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Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 5:46 PM
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Subject: Re: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

You should hear size if you have details checked under view.
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To: talk viaGW t...@window-eyes.com
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 5:40 PM
Subject: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

At one time, I thought I could hear the size, or at least an approximate 
size, of a folder spoken. Now, I get no size information even wqhen Size 
is checked under the View menu. Have I remembered wrong or just forgotten 
something? I do hear file sizes. I checked Folder Ooptions in Control 
Panel and didn’t see anything that would directly relate to this.

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Re: windows 10

2015-08-03 Thread Tom Kingston via Talk

Actually, while it will not share your password with anyone it will 
allow anyone in your Outlook or Skype contacts to connect to your wifi, 
e.g. a friend comes to your home with their phone, tablet, etc. they 
will automatically be connected to your wifi. But this is only for 
internet use. They will have no access to your computer or network. And 
of course you can disable all of these things if you wish.


So the real question is do I trust those who are in my contacts and 
close enough to connect to my internet connection, be it with or without 
my knowledge, not to be performing nefarious tasks that will point to my 
IP address?


Tom


On 8/3/2015 6:43 PM, via Talk wrote:

Not true, but it will try to use your bandwidth to deliver updates, so
go into update settings, advanced options, and decide how updates are
delivered to turn off.

Veronica Smith via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:


I heard that one of the bugs is Windows 10 will share your WIFI password with 
all your friends.

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Subject: windows 10

As muc;h as we use our PC for watching videos, hulu, WWE network, you tube, 
etc. By next spring it will be time to replace the pc anyway so, I’ll probally 
wait till then to move to windows 10, by that time at least the major buggs 
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Tony C.
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Re: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

I checked details, but it doesn't change, but what it gave me was a list of 
something like two hundered and something items to check in details.  I want 
to hear what size the files are, and what file type.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
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To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

You should hear size if you have details checked under view.
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To: talk viaGW t...@window-eyes.com
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 5:40 PM
Subject: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

At one time, I thought I could hear the size, or at least an approximate 
size, of a folder spoken. Now, I get no size information even wqhen Size 
is checked under the View menu. Have I remembered wrong or just forgotten 
something? I do hear file sizes. I checked Folder Ooptions in Control 
Panel and didn’t see anything that would directly relate to this.

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Re: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

Mine used to list size and type of files.  The only thing it says now is if 
it's a zip file,I think.  I am talking about the stuff that's in my 
downloads folder.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Carol and Roger via Talk

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 6:03 PM
To: Tom Fairhurst ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

It has been my experience that size is not listed for folders in Windows
Explorer.  Is it possible you used another program for a while, say
something like Xplorer?  You can get folder info by opening the
properties with the shortcut key of alt plus enter. The total size is
listed along with the number of files and folders inside the folder in
question.

Carol

On 8/3/2015 5:40 PM, Tom Fairhurst via Talk wrote:
At one time, I thought I could hear the size, or at least an approximate 
size, of a folder spoken. Now, I get no size information even wqhen Size 
is checked under the View menu. Have I remembered wrong or just forgotten 
something? I do hear file sizes. I checked Folder Ooptions in Control 
Panel and didn’t see anything that would directly relate to this.

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Re: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

I too have noticed the file size gets read, at times, and is not read at
other times.  And the Details is Checked, and still no extra info about
the file.

When it comes to Folders, Seems like I remember the size getting read,
but very rarely.  I always need to bring up Properties, in order to get
folder sizes.  


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RE: Screen Reader History

2015-08-03 Thread Vic Pereira via Talk

Like many here, I began with a Tri-Formations Free Scan Speech Terminal,
FSST. As well as using it to connect me to main frame computers I also used
it to connect to a CP/M microcomputer to run Word Star and program in Dbase.
I didn't have the honour of using punch cards.

When we moved to PCDOS, which changed to MSDOS, my screen reader on that
platform was something simple like Talk. The IBM microcomputers only had ten
function keys and this screen reader used them to read line and perform the
other functions. The external synthesizer was awful, I think it was a Type
n' Speak.

People were pushing ASAP, Artic and JAWS. I ended up getting Vocal-Eyes with
the Sounding Board which was a huge step up for me. I continue to use it
until we brought in Windows for work groups. I didn't worry about a Windows
screen reader, because I could run Vocal-Eyes in all the windows for each
application I needed to use. These were still more or less DOS based;
examples are Word Perfect, Dbase, terminal emulation etc.

When Lotus Notes came into our environment I had to shop for something that
would then be Windows happy. Artic kept crashing, ASAW was not quite there
and JAWS couldn't see the Notes screens, but Window-Eyes could. Also back
then the Jaws cursor didn't show mouse movements on the screen. I had to
train people and do demonstrations. Sighted people like their mouse pointers
and Window-Eyes allowed me to use the mouse navigation keys to work in those
situations.

It seems like those of us who started using synthesizers, like the FFST
terminals that were built out of a Heath Kit box are mostly OK with
synthesizers that don't quite sound like human speech. Heck even those FFST
devices would change a couple of words by replacing them with sugar or
fudge. Even the tech sector had a paternalistic view toward providing us
with products.

Vic


-Original Message-
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk [mailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com] 
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 3:33 PM
To: LB lab...@fltg.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Screen Reader History

Yes, I remember punch cards.  I did RPG and COBOL, and I remember the flow
charts and everything.  You had to write the stuff up in braille, and then
make the punch cards, then run the punch cards and print it out.  I used to
be able to read the punch cards.  I know there were those key punch things
that looked like electric typewriters, but does anybody ever remember those
manual keypunches?  They had I think something like twelve keys on them, so
you had to press the right combinations in order to make the letter you
wanted to write.  Like writing braille, sort-of.  Pam.

-Original Message-
From: LB via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 12:38 PM
To: dlh...@centurylink.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Screen Reader History

Hi!

Yes, memory lane. Remember those nasty punch cards? You certainly hoped
that no one tripped you up, or you spilled soda on them, for that nasty
picking up the cards and sorting them out...boy those were the days.

I had used basic, self-taught for work and re-wrote a Cornel University
experts software he had written for the NCR production line. It did little,
so I did it.
I wrote all 3 points, Data Entry, Data processing, and Data printing of
the charts. All were for quality control all through the production line for
all printers and terminals produced at the Ithaca plant...
Remember, cassette tapes were used back then for data processing, along
with 10 inch disks, that had only about 2K of memory/space on them.
All the data entered by the secretary was processed one at a time and by
noon the data was sorted and processed. I used the 2K disks and limited
memory to do al this stuff...
Talk about the stone age, you certainly learned to use limited space for
everything, for you had no choice.
But it worked, in fact, was all done 6 months before I went blind, a car
accident, and it was my perfect transition over to a new job at the same
company; I was there resident expert and saved the company, so I was told.

Then, after loosing the eye sight I was given a Braille machine, which
was like having a file cabinet next to you. It was made out of Oak wood, for
the printing punches had to be kept quiet and strong enough to be kept from
bouncing around, thus the solid wood cabinet was used and a tray under it
for the perforated Braille paper that came up through a slot as the tractor
pulled it up.

Yes, TriFormations produced that Brailler...

The good old days, or Stone Age as most people would say now. You
know, like the slide rule, our hand held computer back in prehistoric
times...

Bruce

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Screen Reader History


Wow!  This is bringing back some fun memories!

Around 1983 or 84 i started taking some BASIC programming language
classes at my local Radio Shack.they had several Model 4's that

Re: Windows Explorer in Windows 7

Thanks for the very fine instructions.  while I checked what I wanted
reported, when scrolling through files in Win 7 Windows Explorer,
unfortunately, nothing changed, as far as what was read.  

I had about 290 items I could Check or Un check, but nothing changed.  

I have seen this before now, so this is not new to just 9.1, or 9.X.  I
have seen files get read, along with the file type and its size, and
even the date it was put in this folder.  Then other times, and this is
most other times, I get a file name, and not even a file type, or
anything else.  

Always figured it was some hidden away setting in either Windows or
Window Eyes, but never really knew what else to look for.  

As to why all the file info gets read occasionally, well, that is a good
question, and I can not give you an answer for that one.  


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talking dosbox

2015-08-03 Thread Josh K via Talk


hey if you guys want computer memories go get the free talking dosbox from
http://batsupport.com/unsupported/dosbox/


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downgrading to window-eyes 9.1

2015-08-03 Thread Chris Skarstad via Talk


Hi guys

After today, I think it might be a wise idea to downgrade to Window-eyes 
9.1.  Here's the issue though.  I seem to have misplaced my 9.1 upgrade 
file. I do have a9.0 cd.  Is there any way of getting ahold of a 9.1 
upgrade file?  I can certainly uninstall and re-install Window-eyes, but 
I'd like to go back to 9.1.  You'll have to forgive me if this seems 
obvious but I've never had to do this sort of thing before.  This is the 
first time i've ever had an issue like this.

Thanks, guys.




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Re: downgrading to window-eyes 9.1

I think I downloaded that upgrade file from the GW Micro site, but it
may no longer be available now that 9.2 is here.  

I doubt if you could even by a replacement disc for $25, and have it be
9.1.  You might try, but if they have 9.2 discs, they won't sell you an
older version.  

I attempted to go back to 6.1, a few years ago, when I think it was
version 7 was rather buggy, or was that 8?And GW Micro would not
sell me a replacement for the older 6.1.  

I take it 9.2 is not working well for you?  Worse than 9.1?I was
just considering ordering a 9.2 disc, or at least buying the upgrade.   
Are you suggesting that I should wait a bit further, maybe for a 9.3?  

I am not rushing into downloading Win 10, so no need to be forced to use
9.2.


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windows 10 question.

2015-08-03 Thread michaeel's mail via Talk

Hi guys I was wondering now that the wifi betwork is not in the charms menu 
like in win 8.1 and you hav to click on network now I can not see how many bars 
my wifi signal is now.
So is their a way to see it now.
Cheers Michael.
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Re: Screen Reader History

I use to Vocal eyes.  I don't remember much about it but do remember it.
- Original Message - 
From: Philip Hall via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
To: 'Pamela Dominguez' geo...@optonline.net; 'Window-Eyes Discussion 
List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 9:19 PM
Subject: RE: Screen Reader History

Hi.
I do remember that key punch machine. Was it the model IBM 011?
I still remember some of the Hollerith codes.
I did BAL and Cobol programming using punch cards.
Phil

-Original Message-
From: Talk 
[mailto:talk-bounces+p.hall.eml1=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]

On Behalf Of Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 4:33 PM
To: LB lab...@fltg.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: Screen Reader History

Yes, I remember punch cards.  I did RPG and COBOL, and I remember the flow
charts and everything.  You had to write the stuff up in braille, and then
make the punch cards, then run the punch cards and print it out.  I used 
to

be able to read the punch cards.  I know there were those key punch things
that looked like electric typewriters, but does anybody ever remember 
those
manual keypunches?  They had I think something like twelve keys on them, 
so

you had to press the right combinations in order to make the letter you
wanted to write.  Like writing braille, sort-of.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: LB via Talk

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 12:38 PM
To: dlh...@centurylink.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Screen Reader History

Hi!

   Yes, memory lane. Remember those nasty punch cards? You certainly hoped
that no one tripped you up, or you spilled soda on them, for that nasty
picking up the cards and sorting them out...boy those were the days.

   I had used basic, self taught for work and re-wrote a Cornel University
experts software he had written for the NCR production line. It did 
little,

so I did it.
   I wrote all 3 points, Data Entry, Data processing, and Data printing of
the charts. All were for quality control all through the production line 
for

all printers and terminals produced at the Ithaca plant...
   Remember, cassette tapes were used back then for data processing, along
with 10 inch disks, that had only about 2K of memory/space on them.
   All the data entered by the secretary was processed one at a time and 
by

noon the data was sorted and processed. I used the 2K disks and limited
memory to do al this stuff...
   Talk about the stone age, you certainly learned to use limited space 
for

everything, for you had no choice.
   But it worked, in fact, was all done 6 months before I went blind, a 
car

accident, and it was my perfect transition over to a new job at the same
company; I was there resident expert and saved the company, so I was told.

   Then, after loosing the eye sight I was given a Braille machine, which
was like having a file cabinet next to you. It was made out of Oak wood, 
for
the printing punches had to be kept quiet and strong enough to be kept 
from

bouncing around, thus the solid wood cabinet was used and a tray under it
for the perforated Braille paper that came up through a slot as the 
tractor

pulled it up.

   Yes, TriFormations produced that Brailler...

   The good old days, or Stone Age as most people would say now. You
know, like the slide rule, our hand held computer back in prehistoric
times...

   Bruce

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Screen Reader History

Wow!  This is bringing back some fun memories!

Around 1983 or 84 i started taking some BASIC programming language
classes at my local Radio Shack.they had several Model 4's that ran
Trsdos and CPM.  the instructor had rigged up the systems to speak.  it
was quite crude and was not a Screen Reader at all.  No way to repeat
anything.  but it was a start, I knew right there and then, I wanted a
Computer.  I begged, borrowed and stole enough to finally get one of
those Model 4 systems.  Bought some actual Screen Reader for about $300
and I wa son my way.  Loved playing Zork, and many other Infocomm games.

I was in a Relationship that went bad.  The woman gave me back my
engagement ring, and I traded it to a guy that had several IBM XT
machines.  And once I had my first MS Dos system, there was no looking
back.This may have been around 1986 or 87.I am so glad that
woman broke up with me!  Because she did, I had a Career in Computers.
Too funny.

Bought a screen reader out of Ohio, think it was called Enhanced PC.
then bought the one done by Arctic.  finally came on to Vocal Eyes around
1991 or 92.
When Windows  3.1 came along, I did purchase  some windows Screen Reader
out of Canada.  It sucked, but I needed it for work.

i bought the Window eyes program when it came along.  And it was  a bit
limited, but it worked well enough for me to keep my job.   Been with
Window eyes to this day.  have yet to buy JAWS, although I've helped 
others

who

Re: you will upgrade!!lol

I remember when windows 95 came out, hearing reports on the news about how 
people were having such a hard time installing it.  I mean, it even made the 
regular newscasts!  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: tchild via Talk

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 3:34 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol

Hi, Everytime since I can remember anyway when a new version of windows
comes out there's a lot of hype either way. I got my first pc in 95 and of
course it had win 95 on it. I had not used win 3.1. I heard all the guys
that had been using 3.1 complaining about 95 and I couldn't figure out why
because 95 just blew 3.1 away. People just don't ;like change I guess, but
Window eyes, windows, and so much other stuff on the net and job field is so
much more accessible than back in those days of dos and win 3.1 and the
such..

-Original Message- 
From: Jim via Talk

Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 1:45 PM
To: Chris ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol

Hi there!
I did about the same thing, I went from DOS to WIN98 to Win XP to
Win 7. As Soon as I can, I will be going to Win 10.  I did workn on
several systems with Vista and a couple with 3.1+.  I am looking forward
to upgrading to Win 10.  Just my 2 sence worth for whatever that my be
worth these days!
Thanks  73 de
KF8LTJim Wohlgamuth eMail:wohlg...@gmail.com

On 03-Aug-15 14:22, Chris via Talk wrote:

Lol yes, especially if you are dealing with PCs running the upgrade.

On 03/08/2015 14:17, tchild via Talk wrote:
Hello guys, I guess sooner of later we will all be forced to upgraded 
again and again. I was lucky enough to skip some of the crap w
that was forced on us.lol Like Vista, I managed to skip from XP to win 7 
and only had to deal with vista a few times on other peoples pc’s. 
LOL

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RE: WE 9.2 and Factory Settings

2015-08-03 Thread Rick Thomas via Talk

Hi Guys: This can be handled by having the root set file and not allowing a
user to modify it directly.
A user could override or extend it in another file but the root content
always remains the same.
When an update comes in it replaces the root file but if the design is good
anything in the user file will remain intact.
This is accomplished via what Microsoft calls partial classes for working in
some DataBase projects using strongly typed data sets.
To change a setting in the root file you would override that setting in your
partial file and when WindowEyes engine fires up it loads both into one file
that it uses during the runtime environment.
The only requirements are that any changes to the root file like brand new
settings or deprecated settings are handled in the users file but that is
still allot easier than ReCreating the file by modifying the AI2 version
from scratch and if you don't like your user file rename or delete it and
the factory settings in the AI2 version are loaded and used as usual.
You could even have several versions of your user files each handling a
single feature if you wanted to go that route or one for particular
operating systems or hardware configurations.
This may be able to be done now, don't know since I havent looked into it,
but it could be done for sure if AI2 implemented it.
Perhaps it could even be scripted.
If the root set file variables and names don't change often this would be a
way to maintain the custom user settings without limiting set file updates.
The other option would be to allow the user to pick which set files to use
and when a root file is updated that file might change but the user file
would be intact and the one used at runtime, perhaps that is how it now
works.
But this is a good question and one that has been addressed for many years
as distributed programs and data bases have been the norm to avoid stepping
on allowed user changes to configuration or settings files.There may be
others but I am aware of and used both of the above in other projects and
platforms.
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Chip Orange via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2015 4:37 PM
To: 'Peter Duran' peterduran2...@outlook.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion
List' talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: WE 9.2 and Factory Settings

Thanks Peter for passing on this tip to all of us.

I think that's a good suggestion (to automatically at least notify you that
a .set file is out of date, if not allow you to have it automatically
updated).

The reason it isn't just done is that someone might have spent a lot of
time modifying the settings (say for Word), so that very specific items are
read, and others aren't.  Maybe they defined a lot of hotkeys as having a
program scope, then changed them to be something else so they don't
conflict with something in Word.  If so, all of this is lost when the later
.set file is updated (replaced) on top of the out of date one; not to
mention the issue of defined graphics, colors, exceptions, etc.  They all
could be lost, and people might not be happy.  So, perhaps just notifying
you is the best that can be done.

Chip



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From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of Peter Duran via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 4:44 PM
To: Talk 
Subject: WE 9.2 and Factory Settings

Hello

I reported that, after the installation of WE 9.2, Word 2010 began to act
crazily.  For instance, paragraph styles were spoken at odd times, before
reading a paragraph (as usual) or after reading a paragraph, or not at all.
It took me several days to track down the cause of this anomaly.

Finally, I went, for lack of other options, to the Factory Settings list
under the File menu of Window-Eyes.  I was told that the factory settings
for Word 2010, Window-Eyes Global UI, and so on, were out of date.  I
install the latest factory settings for those programs I frequently use.  My
problems with Word 2010 went away, and Word 2010 behaved as before and even
better in many ways.

Question: Why didn't the WE Installer install the latest factory settings
automatically?

Peter Duran

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Re: Screen Reader History

2015-08-03 Thread tchild via Talk

I believe I used ASAP, and vocal eyes first, then win 3.1 and jaws came 
about. lol

-Original Message- 
From: David Goldfield via Talk

Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2015 7:04 PM
To: Lloyd Rasmussen ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Screen Reader History

For me, Vocal-eyes 1.1 for DOS was the first DOS screen reader I ever
used back in 1990. I remember studying the recorded manual and thinking
that this was the most amazing piece of software.

David Goldfield,
Assistive Technology Specialist

Feel free to visit my Web site
www.davidgoldfield.info

On 8/2/2015 6:51 PM, Lloyd Rasmussen via Talk wrote:
I got my first IBM clone (256K of RAM) at this time in 1985, and was 
running Screen-Talk before Computer Aids Corporation added the Prokey 
macros. A SET file was about 128 bytes long, and I edited some of them 
with Edlin for better compatibility with my Votrax Personal Speech System. 
Many times I'm amazed that this Windows stuff works at all.
Windows 3.1 came out in 1990, and the first screen reader for Windows was 
OutSpoken, which was first demonstrated in July of 1992. Window-Eyes for 
Windows 3.1 came out in 1995, and it could first run Windows 95 in 1997.

Lloyd Rasmussen, W3IUU, Kensington, MD
http://lras.home.sprynet.com
-Original Message- From: Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 2:49 PM
To: Pamela Dominguez ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: A new feature in Internet Explorer

Such memories, got my first Apple 2 e in 1983.  Anyone remember file
talk?  Got an ibm clone in 85 and ran screen talk with prokey.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.

On Sun, 2
Aug 2015, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

I started out with artic vision, and for a short time, I had a computer 
that I was supposed to get if I got a job that had vocal eyes on it.  But 
I was so used to the Artic that I didn't like the vocal eyes.  Yes, 
diskettes, the five inch soft ones and the 3.5-inch ones.  Somewhere, I 
still have them! Pam.

-Original Message- From: Thomas N. Chan via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 4:12 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: A new feature in Internet Explorer

I also started during the 90s when vocal-eyes was the king of dos,
wordperfect let's see, are we talking about diskettes here? lol
This is really back from the past

regards
Thomas N. Chan
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+thomas.nchan=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On 
Behalf

Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, 2 August 2015 8:12 AM
To: gary melconian; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: A new feature in Internet Explorer

You might want to check your timeline. 25 years ago I was using GW
Micro's VocalEyes on DOS and there was no such thing as Windows.

Sheesh! Now I suddenly feel old. Thanks a bunch. (grin)

Tom

On 8/1/2015 7:40 PM, gary melconian via Talk wrote:
 Sure we will. I appreciate the products that I have used from GW over 
the

 past 25 years of using windows eyes from 4.0 all the way up to 9.2.

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
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 Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
 Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2015 12:58 PM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Subject: A new feature in Internet Explorer

 Here is a feature that they've added to Internet explorer which is 
turned

on

 by default called Do not track.

 http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/internet-explorer/ie-do-not-track

 It's not perfect, but they are actually trying to improve the security 
of

 Windows not make it worse.

 Now, can we please get back to talking about Window-eyes?

 ==Steve
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Re: Windows 10 just keeps getting better!

2015-08-03 Thread Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk

I'd love to upgrade, if they'd rule it out to me.  LOL!

Chris.

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Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 2:28 AM
Subject: Windows 10 just keeps getting better!

Hi all
Over the weekend, I created a virtual machine with an evaluation of Vmware 
Workstation 11 with Windows 10 as both host and guest. I thought to try 
the Reset This PC feature in the guest. Well this is where the subject 
comes in! With absolutely no installation media in either host or guest, I 
was able to do the reset and it was successful! It even took under half an 
hour to complete! Googling Windows 10 recovery suggests that the feature 
no longer requires any sort of recovery image and instead loads the 
required system files to complete the reset at runtime. You can, however, 
still create a recovery drive in Windows 10 by going to Control Panel  
recovery.
But yes, Windows 10 just keeps getting better! I love it! Hope you do too 
when you come to upgrading! I don't think you will regret it!

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Re: Windows 10 just keeps getting better!

So, how did you solve the problem of WindowEyes keys bleeding through to
the host -- this is so annoying that I am not sure about using vmware
anymore, although I really do like it, otherwise.

Chris via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

 Hi all
 Over the weekend, I created a virtual machine with an evaluation of
 Vmware Workstation 11 with Windows 10 as both host and guest. I
 thought to try the Reset This PC feature in the guest. Well this is
 where the subject comes in! With absolutely no installation media in
 either host or guest, I was able to do the reset and it was
 successful! It even took under half an hour to complete! Googling
 Windows 10 recovery suggests that the feature no longer requires any
 sort of recovery image and instead loads the required system files to
 complete the reset at runtime. You can, however, still create a
 recovery drive in Windows 10 by going to Control Panel  recovery.
 But yes, Windows 10 just keeps getting better! I love it! Hope you do
 too when you come to upgrading! I don't think you will regret it!
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Re: Why Upgrade

2015-08-03 Thread Chris via Talk

Well if you want to update now try the Media Creation Tool and use the 
upgrade this PC option.


On 03/08/2015 03:26, gary melconian via Talk wrote:

I don't know but windows 8 and 8.1 there is a big advantage to update as
those version of windows 8 are the  reasons why enterprise did not update in
the first place.so I am one of those who has windows 8.1 on two laptop
machines an plans to update as soon as I can when I get the notification
from Microsoft to update.

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To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: Why Upgrade

 What are the advantages to upgrade from Windows 7 to Windows 10?

Pastor Gil
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RE: Windows 10 just keeps getting better!

2015-08-03 Thread gary melconian via Talk

If you want it go to the Microsoft and download the media creator an then
from their you can go about it. but be warned ccreate a back up of your
windows 8.1 recovery just to be on the safe side and irecommend youget a
flash drive probably about 16 or 32GB as they are fairly cheap at any store.
but if I wer you I would wait till the end of the year so at least it will
receive a service pack to windows 10.i would much rather install  windows 10
after the service pack at the end of the year,  and not have to worry about
any issues with access tech product from Window eyes to Kurzweil to other
things like that.  

-Original Message-
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Behalf Of Christopher-Mark Gilland via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 2, 2015 11:38 PM
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Subject: Re: Windows 10 just keeps getting better!

I'd love to upgrade, if they'd rule it out to me.  LOL!

Chris.

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From: Chris via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 2:28 AM
Subject: Windows 10 just keeps getting better!


 Hi all
 Over the weekend, I created a virtual machine with an evaluation of Vmware

 Workstation 11 with Windows 10 as both host and guest. I thought to try 
 the Reset This PC feature in the guest. Well this is where the subject 
 comes in! With absolutely no installation media in either host or guest, I

 was able to do the reset and it was successful! It even took under half an

 hour to complete! Googling Windows 10 recovery suggests that the feature 
 no longer requires any sort of recovery image and instead loads the 
 required system files to complete the reset at runtime. You can, however, 
 still create a recovery drive in Windows 10 by going to Control Panel  
 recovery.
 But yes, Windows 10 just keeps getting better! I love it! Hope you do too 
 when you come to upgrading! I don't think you will regret it!
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Re: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

2015-08-03 Thread net bat via Talk

i found it.
in the search box type in privacy settings. 
once in the list there are 12 menu options on the left side. press enter on 
them then tab to get to the options for the menu item you pressed enter on.

From: Chris via Talk 
Sent: August 3, 2015 11:14 AM
To: Dennis ; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
Subject: Re: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

Hi there are not 13 pages I would say 2 unless it was because I wasn't 
online at the time. For those who are concerned with privacy then my 
response would be to not use any computer or device and if you do don't 
connect them to the internet.

On 03/08/2015 15:49, Dennis via Talk wrote:
 I don't like how much information windows 10 tries to get.  I'll be sticking
 to windows7 as long as possible.

 -Original Message-
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 On Behalf Of net bat via Talk
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 12:41 AM
 To: dlh...@centurylink.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
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 Subject: Re: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

 one thing everyone should do when they install windows 10 is do not use the
 quick setup. use custom. then you will see 13 pages of privacy options you
 can opt out of.
 if you use the quick setup all of these options will be turned on by
 default. i got this from the leo leport web page.

 -Original Message-
 From: via Talk
 Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 11:03 AM
 To: gosselin_louis ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

 Windows 10 and the new Browser supposedly gives Microsoft much more feed
 back as to how you use the computer, where you go on the web, what you do
 when you are there, and what you buy.  I imagine anything written in MS
 Office, whether it be a Spread Sheet, or a Document, is probably available
 to those who wish to view the contents of these files.

 If you own a Small business, you might wish to keep some things of your
 business privet.   do you really want a flood of Bankruptcy lawyers
 sending you their Electronic Business Cards, letting you know, their
 Services are available?   All because someone was able to peek at your
 Quick Book files?

 or maybe you were stupid enough to buy some Sex Toy On Line, and now an ad
 pops up when your best friend, who is a bad Gossiper,  is borrowing your lap
 top to do some work of his own.

 Or maybe your friend writes a fiery letter off to a Politician, but because
 it was written on your machine, those watchers think you are the one who
 wrote the nasty letter, and not your friend.

 We are edging more and more into a culture where everyone has to be careful
 about what they say, and to who you say it.  Even though some much is said
 about being Tolerant, I find today there is less and less tolerance.

 when using your computer, always, and I do mean, always have the
 understanding, that nothing on it, and anything you do on it, could be seen
 by someone else.  big Brother is watching, and has been watching, and
 probably lots of Little Brothers too.

 If you want real privacy, but still want to use the computer, guess you will
 need to have two systems.  One that is hooked up to the internet, and
 another that is not, and never will be.

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Re: you will upgrade!!lol

2015-08-03 Thread Sunshine via Talk

So what you are saying is no matter if a person wanted to stay with 
windows 7 microsfoft will force everyone to upgrade to windows 10 then 
is this correct? can this be confirmed?


On 8/3/2015 1:45 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there!
I did about the same thing, I went from DOS to WIN98 to Win XP to 
Win 7. As Soon as I can, I will be going to Win 10.  I did workn on 
several systems with Vista and a couple with 3.1+.  I am looking 
forward to upgrading to Win 10.  Just my 2 sence worth for whatever 
that my be worth these days!

Thanks  73 de
KF8LTJim Wohlgamuth eMail:wohlg...@gmail.com

On 03-Aug-15 14:22, Chris via Talk wrote:

Lol yes, especially if you are dealing with PCs running the upgrade.

On 03/08/2015 14:17, tchild via Talk wrote:
Hello guys, I guess sooner of later we will all be forced to 
upgraded again and again. I was lucky enough to skip some of the crap w
that was forced on us.lol Like Vista, I managed to skip from XP to 
win 7 and only had to deal with vista a few times on other peoples 
pc’s. LOL

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Re: you will upgrade!!lol

2015-08-03 Thread Chris via Talk


Lol yes, especially if you are dealing with PCs running the upgrade.

On 03/08/2015 14:17, tchild via Talk wrote:

Hello guys, I guess sooner of later we will all be forced to upgraded again and 
again. I was lucky enough to skip some of the crap w
that was forced on us.lol Like Vista, I managed to skip from XP to win 7 and 
only had to deal with vista a few times on other peoples pc’s. LOL
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Re: you will upgrade!!lol

2015-08-03 Thread Jim via Talk


Hi there!
I did about the same thing, I went from DOS to WIN98 to Win XP to 
Win 7. As Soon as I can, I will be going to Win 10.  I did workn on 
several systems with Vista and a couple with 3.1+.  I am looking forward 
to upgrading to Win 10.  Just my 2 sence worth for whatever that my be 
worth these days!

Thanks  73 de
KF8LTJim Wohlgamuth eMail:wohlg...@gmail.com

On 03-Aug-15 14:22, Chris via Talk wrote:

Lol yes, especially if you are dealing with PCs running the upgrade.

On 03/08/2015 14:17, tchild via Talk wrote:
Hello guys, I guess sooner of later we will all be forced to upgraded 
again and again. I was lucky enough to skip some of the crap w
that was forced on us.lol Like Vista, I managed to skip from XP to 
win 7 and only had to deal with vista a few times on other peoples 
pc’s. LOL

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Re: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

Also, if you want to prevent Microsoft from using your bandwidth to
deliver updates to others, go into windows update settings, advanced
options, choose how updates are delivered.

net bat via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:

i found it.
in the search box type in privacy settings.
once in the list there are 12 menu options on the left side. press enter on
them then tab to get to the options for the menu item you pressed enter on.

From: Chris via Talk
Sent: August 3, 2015 11:14 AM
To: Dennis ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

Hi there are not 13 pages I would say 2 unless it was because I wasn't
online at the time. For those who are concerned with privacy then my
response would be to not use any computer or device and if you do don't
connect them to the internet.

On 03/08/2015 15:49, Dennis via Talk wrote:
I don't like how much information windows 10 tries to get. I'll be sticking
to windows7 as long as possible.

-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+dennisl1982=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
On Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 12:41 AM
To: dlh...@centurylink.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: Re: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

one thing everyone should do when they install windows 10 is do not use the
quick setup. use custom. then you will see 13 pages of privacy options you
can opt out of.
if you use the quick setup all of these options will be turned on by
default. i got this from the leo leport web page.

-Original Message-
From: via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 11:03 AM
To: gosselin_louis ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

Windows 10 and the new Browser supposedly gives Microsoft much more feed
back as to how you use the computer, where you go on the web, what you do
when you are there, and what you buy. I imagine anything written in MS
Office, whether it be a Spread Sheet, or a Document, is probably available
to those who wish to view the contents of these files.

If you own a Small business, you might wish to keep some things of your
business privet. do you really want a flood of Bankruptcy lawyers
sending you their Electronic Business Cards, letting you know, their
Services are available? All because someone was able to peek at your
Quick Book files?

or maybe you were stupid enough to buy some Sex Toy On Line, and now an ad
pops up when your best friend, who is a bad Gossiper, is borrowing your lap
top to do some work of his own.

Or maybe your friend writes a fiery letter off to a Politician, but because
it was written on your machine, those watchers think you are the one who
wrote the nasty letter, and not your friend.

We are edging more and more into a culture where everyone has to be careful
about what they say, and to who you say it. Even though some much is said
about being Tolerant, I find today there is less and less tolerance.

when using your computer, always, and I do mean, always have the
understanding, that nothing on it, and anything you do on it, could be seen
by someone else. big Brother is watching, and has been watching, and
probably lots of Little Brothers too.

If you want real privacy, but still want to use the computer, guess you will
need to have two systems. One that is hooked up to the internet, and
another that is not, and never will be.

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Re: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

2015-08-03 Thread Chris via Talk

Hi there are not 13 pages I would say 2 unless it was because I wasn't 
online at the time. For those who are concerned with privacy then my 
response would be to not use any computer or device and if you do don't 
connect them to the internet.


On 03/08/2015 15:49, Dennis via Talk wrote:

I don't like how much information windows 10 tries to get.  I'll be sticking
to windows7 as long as possible.


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On Behalf Of net bat via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 12:41 AM
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Subject: Re: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

one thing everyone should do when they install windows 10 is do not use the
quick setup. use custom. then you will see 13 pages of privacy options you
can opt out of.
if you use the quick setup all of these options will be turned on by
default. i got this from the leo leport web page.



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Subject: Re: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

Windows 10 and the new Browser supposedly gives Microsoft much more feed
back as to how you use the computer, where you go on the web, what you do
when you are there, and what you buy.  I imagine anything written in MS
Office, whether it be a Spread Sheet, or a Document, is probably available
to those who wish to view the contents of these files.

If you own a Small business, you might wish to keep some things of your
business privet.   do you really want a flood of Bankruptcy lawyers
sending you their Electronic Business Cards, letting you know, their
Services are available?   All because someone was able to peek at your
Quick Book files?

or maybe you were stupid enough to buy some Sex Toy On Line, and now an ad
pops up when your best friend, who is a bad Gossiper,  is borrowing your lap
top to do some work of his own.

Or maybe your friend writes a fiery letter off to a Politician, but because
it was written on your machine, those watchers think you are the one who
wrote the nasty letter, and not your friend.

We are edging more and more into a culture where everyone has to be careful
about what they say, and to who you say it.  Even though some much is said
about being Tolerant, I find today there is less and less tolerance.

when using your computer, always, and I do mean, always have the
understanding, that nothing on it, and anything you do on it, could be seen
by someone else.  big Brother is watching, and has been watching, and
probably lots of Little Brothers too.

If you want real privacy, but still want to use the computer, guess you will
need to have two systems.  One that is hooked up to the internet, and
another that is not, and never will be.

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Re: Screen Reader History

2015-08-03 Thread LB via Talk

Hi!

Yes, memory lane. Remember those nasty punch cards? You certainly hoped 
that no one tripped you up, or you spilled soda on them, for that nasty 
picking up the cards and sorting them out...boy those were the days.

I had used basic, self taught for work and re-wrote a Cornel University 
experts software he had written for the NCR production line. It did little, 
so I did it.
I wrote all 3 points, Data Entry, Data processing, and Data printing of 
the charts. All were for quality control all through the production line for 
all printers and terminals produced at the Ithaca plant...
Remember, cassette tapes were used back then for data processing, along 
with 10 inch disks, that had only about 2K of memory/space on them.
All the data entered by the secretary was processed one at a time and by 
noon the data was sorted and processed. I used the 2K disks and limited 
memory to do al this stuff...
Talk about the stone age, you certainly learned to use limited space for 
everything, for you had no choice.
But it worked, in fact, was all done 6 months before I went blind, a car 
accident, and it was my perfect transition over to a new job at the same 
company; I was there resident expert and saved the company, so I was told.

Then, after loosing the eye sight I was given a Braille machine, which 
was like having a file cabinet next to you. It was made out of Oak wood, for 
the printing punches had to be kept quiet and strong enough to be kept from 
bouncing around, thus the solid wood cabinet was used and a tray under it 
for the perforated Braille paper that came up through a slot as the tractor 
pulled it up.

Yes, TriFormations produced that Brailler...

The good old days, or Stone Age as most people would say now. You 
know, like the slide rule, our hand held computer back in prehistoric 
times...

Bruce

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Screen Reader History


Wow!  This is bringing back some fun memories!

Around 1983 or 84 i started taking some BASIC programming language
classes at my local Radio Shack.they had several Model 4's that ran
Trsdos and CPM.  the instructor had rigged up the systems to speak.  it
was quite crude and was not a Screen Reader at all.  No way to repeat
anything.  but it was a start, I knew right there and then, I wanted a
Computer.  I begged, borrowed and stole enough to finally get one of
those Model 4 systems.  Bought some actual Screen Reader for about $300
and I wa son my way.  Loved playing Zork, and many other Infocomm games.

I was in a Relationship that went bad.  The woman gave me back my
engagement ring, and I traded it to a guy that had several IBM XT
machines.  And once I had my first MS Dos system, there was no looking
back.This may have been around 1986 or 87.I am so glad that
woman broke up with me!  Because she did, I had a Career in Computers.
Too funny.


Bought a screen reader out of Ohio, think it was called Enhanced PC.
then bought the one done by Arctic.  finally came on to Vocal Eyes around
1991 or 92.
When Windows  3.1 came along, I did purchase  some windows Screen Reader
out of Canada.  It sucked, but I needed it for work.

i bought the Window eyes program when it came along.  And it was  a bit
limited, but it worked well enough for me to keep my job.   Been with
Window eyes to this day.  have yet to buy JAWS, although I've helped others
who have it.

thanks for the walk down memory lane.

edline!  Now that makes me laugh.i once had to use that very limited
editor to write COBOL and JCL.  Was using a PC hooked up to a huge
mainframe at Boeing.

I kept wanting to use Word Star to write my code, but was told to use
Edline or else!


Crazy times back then.


-- 
Dave dlh...@centurylink.net

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RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: A new feature in Internet Explorer

2015-08-03 Thread Baracco, Andrew W via Talk

Butch, as I recall, you sold me my Apple 2E in 1983. I used it until
1992 and sold it to a friend who used it to drive a Braille embosser for
a few more years after that.

Andy


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[mailto:talk-bounces+andrew.baracco=va@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Butch Bussen via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 11:49 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: A new feature in Internet Explorer

Such memories, got my first Apple 2 e in 1983.  Anyone remember file
talk?  Got an ibm clone in 85 and ran screen talk with prokey.
73
Butch
WA0VJR
Node 3148
Wallace, ks.


On Sun, 2 
Aug 2015, Pamela Dominguez via Talk wrote:

 I started out with artic vision, and for a short time, I had a
computer that 
 I was supposed to get if I got a job that had vocal eyes on it.  But I
was so 
 used to the Artic that I didn't like the vocal eyes.  Yes, diskettes,
the 
 five inch soft ones and the 3.5-inch ones.  Somewhere, I still have
them! 
 Pam.

 -Original Message- From: Thomas N. Chan via Talk
 Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 4:12 AM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: RE: A new feature in Internet Explorer

 I also started during the 90s when vocal-eyes was the king of dos,
 wordperfect let's see, are we talking about diskettes here?
lol
 This is really back from the past


 
 regards
 Thomas N. Chan
 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+thomas.nchan=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf
 Of Tom Kingston via Talk
 Sent: Sunday, 2 August 2015 8:12 AM
 To: gary melconian; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: A new feature in Internet Explorer

 You might want to check your timeline. 25 years ago I was using GW
 Micro's VocalEyes on DOS and there was no such thing as Windows.

 Sheesh! Now I suddenly feel old. Thanks a bunch. (grin)

 Tom


 On 8/1/2015 7:40 PM, gary melconian via Talk wrote:
  Sure we will. I appreciate the products that I have used from GW
over the
  past 25 years of using windows eyes from 4.0 all the way up to 9.2.

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On
  Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
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  Subject: A new feature in Internet Explorer
 

  Here is a feature that they've added to Internet explorer which is
turned
 on
  by default called Do not track.

  http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/internet-explorer/ie-do-not-track

  It's not perfect, but they are actually trying to improve the
security of
  Windows not make it worse.

  Now, can we please get back to talking about Window-eyes?

  ==Steve
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RE: [EXTERNAL] RE: A new feature in Internet Explorer

2015-08-03 Thread Baracco, Andrew W via Talk

I do not believe that Window Eyes existed in 1993. As I recall, the
first screen reader that could access Windows was Window Bridge, in 1993
followed shortly after by JFW. Window Eyes came late to the party, I
believe in 1995.

Andy


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Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 6:06 PM
To: 'Tom Kingston'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: [EXTERNAL] RE: A new feature in Internet Explorer

I  started in 1993 with window eyes. I don know exactly but I know it
was the early dayswith version 3 and then version 4. I hhad purchased
every version plus sma's all the way up to 8.4.  Due to  personal
finances  I have decided to go the office route once it was available as
of 9.  So I have not had any tech related issues hta I can think of.  I
am glad tha widnow eyes was the first ot support chrome. Also they have
been working with intuit in making  quickbooks accessible with window
eyes.  

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RE: I don't have to sign into Windows 10 to use Cortana, thanks Chris.

2015-08-03 Thread Paulette Vickery via Talk

Hi Kevin,

Thanks for your detailed information. I don't have Windows 10 yet, but it is
sounding better and better. I like the idea of Siri having a sister. Smile.

Paulette

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Subject: RE: I don't have to sign into Windows 10 to use Cortana, thanks
Chris.

Hi paulette.

If you're familiar with Apple devices, Cortana is like Siri.  You can ask it
different questions, and it will either answer them with its female voice,
which sounds quite good, or it will open a web page in your default browser
so you can read the information.  One thing you can ask Cortana is Tell me
a joke.  Her humor is right up my alley.  You can ask the time,
temperature, weather, and many other things.  Some of these are just for
fun, but some of what Cortana can do is pretty impressive.

To activate Cortana in Windows 10, hit the WINDOWS key to activate the start
menu, then TAB once to get to the microphone button.  Hit SPACE on it, and
you should hear a tone from Cortana, indicating you can speak to her.
Another tone will sound to indicate the information is being processed, and
you will either get an audio answer from her, or a web site will open.

If you don't see a microphone button, then it means you have to set up
Cortana.  I called up Microsoft accessibility to do this, so I don't know
what all is needed to be done.  Contrary to what the consultant told me at
Microsoft, you don't need a logon password to get it to work.  You do,
however, need a Microsoft account, and if you have an Outlook.com account
you're good to go.

One thing I almost forgot.  You can have Cortana automaticly activate when
you say Hey Cortana.  I personally don't use this, because anything in the
vicinity of the microphone can activate it.

That's about all I can think of to mention.  Hope this is useful.

Have a great day, and don't work too hard.

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
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Windows 10 and touch pad

2015-08-03 Thread Don H via Talk

Have discovered that after installing Windows 10 on my HP laptop the 
option to disable the touch pad when a external mouse is plugged in will 
not stay checked in the mouse settings  A sleep restart or shutdown 
causes the box to become unchecked.  Anyone else experiencing this issue?

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RE: I don't have to sign into Windows 10 to use Cortana, thanks Chris.

2015-08-03 Thread Vince via Talk

What is Cortana? And what does it do?

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Subject: I don't have to sign into Windows 10 to use Cortana, thanks Chris.

Hi all.

I want to thank Chris for the instructions to get rid of the Windows
password.  I now can have Windows 10 boot directly to the desktop.  It takes
a while to get there, but eventually it does.  Cortana works great!

Just for your information, and thanks again, Chris.

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

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RE: I don't have to sign into Windows 10 to use Cortana, thanks Chris.

2015-08-03 Thread Michael Massey via Talk

Vince.  Cortana is a feature in Windows 10 similar to the voice assistant
called Seri used on Apple devices such as I-phones.  You will need a headset
microphone, or if you have a laptop with a built-in hands free microphone,
you would be able to use Cortana.  As an example, you could ask Cortana what
the weather conditions are in your area.  Or, as some list members have
stated, Cortana can tell jokes.  Having said all of this, I am still waiting
for my upgrade notification from Microsoft, so I don't yet have Cortana,
smile.  If I misspelled the Apple I-phone voice assistant's name, I
certainly didn't mean to.   

Mike M 

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talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: I don't have to sign into Windows 10 to use Cortana, thanks
Chris.

What is Cortana? And what does it do?

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Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 6:11 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: I don't have to sign into Windows 10 to use Cortana, thanks Chris.

Hi all.

 

I want to thank Chris for the instructions to get rid of the Windows
password.  I now can have Windows 10 boot directly to the desktop.  It takes
a while to get there, but eventually it does.  Cortana works great!

 

Just for your information, and thanks again, Chris.

 

Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

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RE: Breaking News App

2015-08-03 Thread Vince via Talk

HI,

I have not used this app yet.  I thank you for a way to connect to news.  As
a somewhat new user of WE I am looking forward to using this.

Thanks

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Subject: Re: Breaking News App

Hi Again,

The Block search feature for Breaking News is ready. The upload will be 
by the end of the day, but review takes a day, so probably you will not see 
it until Tuesday.
The new feature of Breaking News is the ability to set each web page on 
the Main Tree view settings list with a search phrase and the number of 
lines after finding that phrase and it all gets read.
Also, you can block off a section of a page by copying an end phrase and

inserting it as the End Block Search Phrase inside the Tree View Item list 
and checking the Block Search checkbox.
Now, if you do not find the first search phrase, or do not check the 
Block Search check box, it will use the End Block phrase as a second search 
item, just in case you do not find the first search phrase.

In other words you will have 3 different items to search for when 
downloading a page to read. Where the third item is a heading 1 tag marker.

Also, I have checked for errors and eliminated some errors which pop-up 
when any of your dialogs are not displayed any more, so there should be less

errors cropping up in this version if you escape from a dialog or it 
disappears.

Remember, this Breaking News does save files by using the Control-S key 
combination and you can do a path search where to save the file as well.

Today I will be working on a menu for the text read of the web page to 
give more options than hotkeys.

So tonight it will be uploaded for review.

Bruce


Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 8:31 PM
Subject: Breaking News App


Hi Everyone,

By the end of this weekend I will have an update for my Breaking News
App. It will be version 3.1 when ready for upload.

I have fixed the HTML off-line page and inserted the full link path that
web pages use only as a reference. It works as far as I can tell now, but
have not tested it on all web sites. So the link on the HTML page will in
fact work and not say Page Not Found.
The HTML page almost duplicates the reading of a web page but does strip
out some stuff, such as all Java Script and such to speed up the loading and
reading. It does preserve the text on the page.

The second addition will be the search phrase, at the moment it reads
only the line on and will add the next line for all. The font size heading
search, like H1 to H5 the next line is read since I have placed the text
version of the tag on a line of it's own.

In addition I will also allow you to add how many lines you want to read
after the search phrase line, for that will be needed for a block read, I
will also add it as a manual input to allow you based on the page you have
saved can be independent of any other web page; since all searches are
unique.

I will also add the menu for the editbox since I have no menu, thus not
allowing you to make selections, such as reading an off-line HTML version of
the file. At the moment all options are hotkeys only when reading a text
version of a web page.

I hope to achieve the ability to do almost everything that is on a web
page that is possible, including running programs. But at the moment I am
doing this when I am not outside rebuilding my house; yes, I am totally
sightless in case someone asks.

I do have an update on the Sea Battle game with some more added sounds,
including a missile launch, but that to has not been uploaded yet and it
will
be version 1.1 for the Sea Battle game when uploaded.


I am taking a break and will spend more time on the computer.

Sincerely
Bruce Babcock


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Re: A new feature in Internet Explorer

2015-08-03 Thread Russ Kiehne via Talk

Wow, another Artic vision user!  Do you remember the Artic vision bbs?

-Original Message- 
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk

Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 9:17 AM
To: Thomas N. Chan ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: A new feature in Internet Explorer

I started out with artic vision, and for a short time, I had a computer that
I was supposed to get if I got a job that had vocal eyes on it.  But I was
so used to the Artic that I didn't like the vocal eyes.  Yes, diskettes, the
five inch soft ones and the 3.5-inch ones.  Somewhere, I still have them!
Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Thomas N. Chan via Talk

Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 4:12 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: A new feature in Internet Explorer

I also started during the 90s when vocal-eyes was the king of dos,
wordperfect let's see, are we talking about diskettes here? lol
This is really back from the past

regards
Thomas N. Chan
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+thomas.nchan=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, 2 August 2015 8:12 AM
To: gary melconian; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: A new feature in Internet Explorer

You might want to check your timeline. 25 years ago I was using GW
Micro's VocalEyes on DOS and there was no such thing as Windows.

Sheesh! Now I suddenly feel old. Thanks a bunch. (grin)

Tom

On 8/1/2015 7:40 PM, gary melconian via Talk wrote:

Sure we will. I appreciate the products that I have used from GW over the
past 25 years of using windows eyes from 4.0 all the way up to 9.2.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2015 12:58 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: A new feature in Internet Explorer

Here is a feature that they've added to Internet explorer which is turned

on

by default called Do not track.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/internet-explorer/ie-do-not-track

It's not perfect, but they are actually trying to improve the security of
Windows not make it worse.

Now, can we please get back to talking about Window-eyes?

==Steve
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Re: I don't have to sign into Windows 10 to use Cortana, thanks Chris.

2015-08-03 Thread Bryan Peterson via Talk

It's actually spelled S I R I, but yeah from what I hear Cortana is 
basically the same sort of idea.




Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Michael Massey via Talk

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 6:42 AM
To: 'Vince' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: I don't have to sign into Windows 10 to use Cortana, thanks 
Chris.


Vince.  Cortana is a feature in Windows 10 similar to the voice assistant
called Seri used on Apple devices such as I-phones.  You will need a headset
microphone, or if you have a laptop with a built-in hands free microphone,
you would be able to use Cortana.  As an example, you could ask Cortana what
the weather conditions are in your area.  Or, as some list members have
stated, Cortana can tell jokes.  Having said all of this, I am still waiting
for my upgrade notification from Microsoft, so I don't yet have Cortana,
smile.  If I misspelled the Apple I-phone voice assistant's name, I
certainly didn't mean to.

Mike M

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Behalf Of Vince via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 5:43 AM
To: 'Kevin Minor' kmino...@outlook.com; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: RE: I don't have to sign into Windows 10 to use Cortana, thanks
Chris.

What is Cortana? And what does it do?

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[mailto:talk-bounces+vince=sealakeyachts@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Kevin Minor via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 6:11 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: I don't have to sign into Windows 10 to use Cortana, thanks Chris.

Hi all.



I want to thank Chris for the instructions to get rid of the Windows
password.  I now can have Windows 10 boot directly to the desktop.  It takes
a while to get there, but eventually it does.  Cortana works great!



Just for your information, and thanks again, Chris.



Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY

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RE: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

2015-08-03 Thread Don Mauck via Talk

Good question!!
-Original Message-
From: Kim Lingo via Talk [mailto:talk@lists.window-eyes.com] 
Sent: Saturday, August 01, 2015 8:53 AM
To: Sunshine; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

The real question is:  do you really believe you still have it?
Kim Lingo

- Original Message - 
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To: net bat net...@comcast.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 3:38 PM
Subject: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

 are you willing to give up your privacy for windows 10?
 http://betanews.com/2015/07/31/the-real-price-of-windows-10-is-your-privacy/

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Re: you will upgrade!!lol

2015-08-03 Thread Bryan Peterson via Talk

I would say circumstances more than Microsoft will impell people to upgrade 
as time goes by. Older operating systems are only supported for so long 
after all, after which they become security risks.




Focus your powers and prepare for buttle.
-Original Message- 
From: Sunshine via Talk

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 1:09 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Chris
Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol

So what you are saying is no matter if a person wanted to stay with
windows 7 microsfoft will force everyone to upgrade to windows 10 then
is this correct? can this be confirmed?

On 8/3/2015 1:45 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there!
I did about the same thing, I went from DOS to WIN98 to Win XP to Win 
7. As Soon as I can, I will be going to Win 10.  I did workn on several 
systems with Vista and a couple with 3.1+.  I am looking forward to 
upgrading to Win 10.  Just my 2 sence worth for whatever that my be worth 
these days!

Thanks  73 de
KF8LTJim Wohlgamuth eMail:wohlg...@gmail.com

On 03-Aug-15 14:22, Chris via Talk wrote:

Lol yes, especially if you are dealing with PCs running the upgrade.

On 03/08/2015 14:17, tchild via Talk wrote:
Hello guys, I guess sooner of later we will all be forced to upgraded 
again and again. I was lucky enough to skip some of the crap w
that was forced on us.lol Like Vista, I managed to skip from XP to win 7 
and only had to deal with vista a few times on other peoples pc’s. 
LOL

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Re: Screen Reader History

It sounds like the windows screenreader out of Canada you bought was Window 
bridge.  Pam.

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From: via Talk

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 12:16 PM
To: David Goldfield ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Screen Reader History

Wow!  This is bringing back some fun memories!

Around 1983 or 84 i started taking some BASIC programming language
classes at my local Radio Shack.they had several Model 4's that ran
Trsdos and CPM.  the instructor had rigged up the systems to speak.  it
was quite crude and was not a Screen Reader at all.  No way to repeat
anything.  but it was a start, I knew right there and then, I wanted a
Computer.  I begged, borrowed and stole enough to finally get one of
those Model 4 systems.  Bought some actual Screen Reader for about $300
and I wa son my way.  Loved playing Zork, and many other Infocomm games.

I was in a Relationship that went bad.  The woman gave me back my
engagement ring, and I traded it to a guy that had several IBM XT
machines.  And once I had my first MS Dos system, there was no looking
back.This may have been around 1986 or 87.I am so glad that
woman broke up with me!  Because she did, I had a Career in Computers.
Too funny.

Bought a screen reader out of Ohio, think it was called Enhanced PC.
then bought the one done by Arctic.  finally came on to Vocal Eyes around
1991 or 92.
When Windows  3.1 came along, I did purchase  some windows Screen Reader
out of Canada.  It sucked, but I needed it for work.

i bought the Window eyes program when it came along.  And it was  a bit
limited, but it worked well enough for me to keep my job.   Been with
Window eyes to this day.  have yet to buy JAWS, although I've helped others
who have it.

thanks for the walk down memory lane.

edline!  Now that makes me laugh.i once had to use that very limited
editor to write COBOL and JCL.  Was using a PC hooked up to a huge
mainframe at Boeing.

I kept wanting to use Word Star to write my code, but was told to use
Edline or else!

Crazy times back then.

--
Dave dlh...@centurylink.net

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Re: you will upgrade!!lol

2015-08-03 Thread tchild via Talk

The same thing will happen to win 7  as happened to XP. No more support...

-Original Message- 
From: Sunshine via Talk

Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 2:09 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Chris
Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol

So what you are saying is no matter if a person wanted to stay with
windows 7 microsfoft will force everyone to upgrade to windows 10 then
is this correct? can this be confirmed?

On 8/3/2015 1:45 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there!
I did about the same thing, I went from DOS to WIN98 to Win XP to Win 
7. As Soon as I can, I will be going to Win 10.  I did workn on several 
systems with Vista and a couple with 3.1+.  I am looking forward to 
upgrading to Win 10.  Just my 2 sence worth for whatever that my be worth 
these days!

Thanks  73 de
KF8LTJim Wohlgamuth eMail:wohlg...@gmail.com

On 03-Aug-15 14:22, Chris via Talk wrote:

Lol yes, especially if you are dealing with PCs running the upgrade.

On 03/08/2015 14:17, tchild via Talk wrote:
Hello guys, I guess sooner of later we will all be forced to upgraded 
again and again. I was lucky enough to skip some of the crap w
that was forced on us.lol Like Vista, I managed to skip from XP to win 7 
and only had to deal with vista a few times on other peoples pc’s. 
LOL

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Re: you will upgrade!!lol

Win 7 will be supported until 2020 and Microsoft will not force you to 
upgrade. The hype may make you want to upgrade!
- Original Message - 
From: tchild via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
To: Sunshine sunsh...@abe.midco.net; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
talk@lists.window-eyes.com

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 3:35 PM
Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol

The same thing will happen to win 7  as happened to XP. No more support...

-Original Message- 
From: Sunshine via Talk

Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 2:09 PM
To: wohlg...@gmail.com ; Window-Eyes Discussion List ; Chris
Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol

So what you are saying is no matter if a person wanted to stay with
windows 7 microsfoft will force everyone to upgrade to windows 10 then
is this correct? can this be confirmed?

On 8/3/2015 1:45 PM, Jim via Talk wrote:

Hi there!
I did about the same thing, I went from DOS to WIN98 to Win XP to Win 
7. As Soon as I can, I will be going to Win 10.  I did workn on several 
systems with Vista and a couple with 3.1+.  I am looking forward to 
upgrading to Win 10.  Just my 2 sence worth for whatever that my be worth 
these days!

Thanks  73 de
KF8LTJim Wohlgamuth eMail:wohlg...@gmail.com

On 03-Aug-15 14:22, Chris via Talk wrote:

Lol yes, especially if you are dealing with PCs running the upgrade.

On 03/08/2015 14:17, tchild via Talk wrote:
Hello guys, I guess sooner of later we will all be forced to upgraded 
again and again. I was lucky enough to skip some of the crap w
that was forced on us.lol Like Vista, I managed to skip from XP to win 
7 and only had to deal with vista a few times on other peoples pc’s. 
LOL

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Re: Screen Reader History

Yes, I remember punch cards.  I did RPG and COBOL, and I remember the flow 
charts and everything.  You had to write the stuff up in braille, and then 
make the punch cards, then run the punch cards and print it out.  I used to 
be able to read the punch cards.  I know there were those key punch things 
that looked like electric typewriters, but does anybody ever remember those 
manual keypunches?  They had I think something like twelve keys on them, so 
you had to press the right combinations in order to make the letter you 
wanted to write.  Like writing braille, sort-of.  Pam.


-Original Message- 
From: LB via Talk

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 12:38 PM
To: dlh...@centurylink.net ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: Screen Reader History

Hi!

   Yes, memory lane. Remember those nasty punch cards? You certainly hoped
that no one tripped you up, or you spilled soda on them, for that nasty
picking up the cards and sorting them out...boy those were the days.

   I had used basic, self taught for work and re-wrote a Cornel University
experts software he had written for the NCR production line. It did little,
so I did it.
   I wrote all 3 points, Data Entry, Data processing, and Data printing of
the charts. All were for quality control all through the production line for
all printers and terminals produced at the Ithaca plant...
   Remember, cassette tapes were used back then for data processing, along
with 10 inch disks, that had only about 2K of memory/space on them.
   All the data entered by the secretary was processed one at a time and by
noon the data was sorted and processed. I used the 2K disks and limited
memory to do al this stuff...
   Talk about the stone age, you certainly learned to use limited space for
everything, for you had no choice.
   But it worked, in fact, was all done 6 months before I went blind, a car
accident, and it was my perfect transition over to a new job at the same
company; I was there resident expert and saved the company, so I was told.

   Then, after loosing the eye sight I was given a Braille machine, which
was like having a file cabinet next to you. It was made out of Oak wood, for
the printing punches had to be kept quiet and strong enough to be kept from
bouncing around, thus the solid wood cabinet was used and a tray under it
for the perforated Braille paper that came up through a slot as the tractor
pulled it up.

   Yes, TriFormations produced that Brailler...

   The good old days, or Stone Age as most people would say now. You
know, like the slide rule, our hand held computer back in prehistoric
times...

   Bruce

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 12:16 PM
Subject: Re: Screen Reader History


Wow!  This is bringing back some fun memories!

Around 1983 or 84 i started taking some BASIC programming language
classes at my local Radio Shack.they had several Model 4's that ran
Trsdos and CPM.  the instructor had rigged up the systems to speak.  it
was quite crude and was not a Screen Reader at all.  No way to repeat
anything.  but it was a start, I knew right there and then, I wanted a
Computer.  I begged, borrowed and stole enough to finally get one of
those Model 4 systems.  Bought some actual Screen Reader for about $300
and I wa son my way.  Loved playing Zork, and many other Infocomm games.

I was in a Relationship that went bad.  The woman gave me back my
engagement ring, and I traded it to a guy that had several IBM XT
machines.  And once I had my first MS Dos system, there was no looking
back.This may have been around 1986 or 87.I am so glad that
woman broke up with me!  Because she did, I had a Career in Computers.
Too funny.


Bought a screen reader out of Ohio, think it was called Enhanced PC.
then bought the one done by Arctic.  finally came on to Vocal Eyes around
1991 or 92.
When Windows  3.1 came along, I did purchase  some windows Screen Reader
out of Canada.  It sucked, but I needed it for work.

i bought the Window eyes program when it came along.  And it was  a bit
limited, but it worked well enough for me to keep my job.   Been with
Window eyes to this day.  have yet to buy JAWS, although I've helped others
who have it.

thanks for the walk down memory lane.

edline!  Now that makes me laugh.i once had to use that very limited
editor to write COBOL and JCL.  Was using a PC hooked up to a huge
mainframe at Boeing.

I kept wanting to use Word Star to write my code, but was told to use
Edline or else!


Crazy times back then.


--
Dave dlh...@centurylink.net

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Re: [EXTERNAL] Re: A new feature in Internet Explorer

Yes, they called it winvision.  I had a disk of it, but I didn't have 
windows at the time.  Pam.

-Original Message- 
From: Baracco, Andrew W via Talk

Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 1:17 PM
To: Russ Kiehne ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] Re: A new feature in Internet Explorer

They also came out with a Windows screen reader. I have several friends
who really liked it, but they stopped development on it.

Andy

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+andrew.baracco=va@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Russ Kiehne via Talk
Sent: Monday, August 03, 2015 6:24 AM
To: Pamela Dominguez; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: A new feature in Internet Explorer

Wow, another Artic vision user!  Do you remember the Artic vision bbs?

-Original Message-
From: Pamela Dominguez via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 9:17 AM
To: Thomas N. Chan ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: A new feature in Internet Explorer

I started out with artic vision, and for a short time, I had a computer
that I was supposed to get if I got a job that had vocal eyes on it.
But I was so used to the Artic that I didn't like the vocal eyes.  Yes,
diskettes, the five inch soft ones and the 3.5-inch ones.  Somewhere, I
still have them!
Pam.

-Original Message-
From: Thomas N. Chan via Talk
Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2015 4:12 AM
To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: A new feature in Internet Explorer

I also started during the 90s when vocal-eyes was the king of dos,
wordperfect let's see, are we talking about diskettes here? lol
This is really back from the past

regards
Thomas N. Chan
-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+thomas.nchan=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
Behalf Of Tom Kingston via Talk
Sent: Sunday, 2 August 2015 8:12 AM
To: gary melconian; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: A new feature in Internet Explorer

You might want to check your timeline. 25 years ago I was using GW
Micro's VocalEyes on DOS and there was no such thing as Windows.

Sheesh! Now I suddenly feel old. Thanks a bunch. (grin)

Tom

On 8/1/2015 7:40 PM, gary melconian via Talk wrote:

Sure we will. I appreciate the products that I have used from GW over
the past 25 years of using windows eyes from 4.0 all the way up to

9.2.

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On

Behalf Of Stephen Clark via Talk
Sent: Saturday, August 1, 2015 12:58 PM
To: Window-Eyes Discussion List talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: A new feature in Internet Explorer

Here is a feature that they've added to Internet explorer which is
turned

on

by default called Do not track.

http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/internet-explorer/ie-do-not-track

It's not perfect, but they are actually trying to improve the security

of Windows not make it worse.

Now, can we please get back to talking about Window-eyes?

==Steve
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RE: does eloquence come with wineyes for office

2015-08-03 Thread Chip Orange via Talk

Great idea Keith, thanks.

I want to point out to any current owner of a paid version of 9.1, that you can 
get a paid version of 9.2 for $50, which is virtually the same price as just 
buying Eloquence, and that way you'd have both Eloquence and support from AI 
Squared (and one of the high quality synthesizers as well).  It's a much better 
idea I think than paying for Eloquence if you already own 9.1.

Chip





Chip Orange
Florida Public Service Commission
Computer Systems Analyst
850-413-6314



-Original Message-
From: Talk [mailto:talk-bounces+corange=psc.state.fl...@lists.window-eyes.com] 
On Behalf Of Keith Hinton via Talk
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 11:48 PM
To: gary melconian; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: does eloquence come with wineyes for office

I know the original poster was asking about just Eloqeunce, but I
think it would be advised that you read over this FAQ (Frequently
Asked Questions) document Bush.
This will help you know the main differences between the paid and
Window-Eyes for Office offer.

http://www.windoweyesforoffice.com/FAQ/
I hope this document helps everybody on this list.

Regards,
Keith

On 7/30/15, gary melconian via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 No all you get is Microsoft sapi 5 which is much better than eloquence.
 Also
 you get e spak .thee are the two free ones. If you want eloquence it will
 cost you $39. If you have a copy of Kurzweil, then you can rrun the speech
 work version of eloquence and from my pint of view that's a much better
 then
 any eloquence out there.  Also ther isa sapi 5 version by code factory as
 well.

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+gmelconian619=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 Behalf Of Butch K via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 4:41 PM
 To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Subject: does eloquence come with wineyes for office

 Hello, does the eloquence synthesizer come free with wineyes for office, or
 do you have to buy eloquence separatly? thanks.

 Butch

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Re: you will upgrade!!lol

2015-08-03 Thread tchild via Talk

Hi, Everytime since I can remember anyway when a new version of windows 
comes out there's a lot of hype either way. I got my first pc in 95 and of 
course it had win 95 on it. I had not used win 3.1. I heard all the guys 
that had been using 3.1 complaining about 95 and I couldn't figure out why 
because 95 just blew 3.1 away. People just don't ;like change I guess, but 
Window eyes, windows, and so much other stuff on the net and job field is so 
much more accessible than back in those days of dos and win 3.1 and the 
such..


-Original Message- 
From: Jim via Talk

Sent: Monday, August 3, 2015 1:45 PM
To: Chris ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: you will upgrade!!lol

Hi there!
I did about the same thing, I went from DOS to WIN98 to Win XP to
Win 7. As Soon as I can, I will be going to Win 10.  I did workn on
several systems with Vista and a couple with 3.1+.  I am looking forward
to upgrading to Win 10.  Just my 2 sence worth for whatever that my be
worth these days!
Thanks  73 de
KF8LTJim Wohlgamuth eMail:wohlg...@gmail.com

On 03-Aug-15 14:22, Chris via Talk wrote:

Lol yes, especially if you are dealing with PCs running the upgrade.

On 03/08/2015 14:17, tchild via Talk wrote:
Hello guys, I guess sooner of later we will all be forced to upgraded 
again and again. I was lucky enough to skip some of the crap w
that was forced on us.lol Like Vista, I managed to skip from XP to win 7 
and only had to deal with vista a few times on other peoples pc’s. 
LOL

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