Re: Mozilla Firefox and Window-Eyes strange character skipping bug

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

Wanted to update the read to end and Facebook status character bug
report to mention that maybe this isn't ESpeak specific, but Mozilla
Firefox specific.
I don't have these behaviors happening in Internet Explorer, for
instance, or other edit box controls.
But in Mozilla, most surely.

On 9/12/15, Keith Hinton <keithint1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> I only have ESpeak and the Microsoft Speech platform here at the
> moment as voice options, but the issues I have written about appear to
> be ESpeak specific.
> I know from experience that Eloquence wouldn't do this out of the box,
> etc as well.
> I was able to read the last Facebook status that was reading in a
> strange way perfectly with the Microsoft speech platform, that didn't
> read right using ESpeak.
> Cool, I guess, grin!
> Regards,
> Keith.
> However, I can reproduce one issue, regardless of speech synthesizer
> utilized with the latest stable Window-Eyes.
> That read to end bug I wrote about where the last word Window-Eyes
> encounters gets repeated, in this case my name a few moments ago,
> repeated Keith over and over and over without pause until I shut up
> speech myself, and I don't have ESpeak being used at the moment.
> Only work around for that particular bug is to put a blank line at the
> eend of a email, etc.
> However, I should note this behavior is happening inside Mozilla
> Firefox, and surprisingly, not Notepad as my test application!
> Wow!
> Mozilla Firefox is my default browser.
> And if it helps, always use the cursor keys to navigate with in pages
> is checked under the options area, I wonder if that's causing some of
> fthis behavior like read to end being odd?
>
> On 9/12/15, Marc Solomon via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>> Keith,
>> Can you reproduce these issues using a different synthesizer?
>> Marc
>>
>> Sent with AquaMail for Android
>> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>>
>>
>> On September 12, 2015 12:10:55 PM Keith Hinton via Talk
>> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi folks,
>>> I'm currently running Windows 7 64 bit Professional, Window-Eyes 9.2,
>>> Office 2010, and the latest version of Mozilla Firefox is installed,
>>> with all Window-Eyes apps currently updated.
>>> I have tested this with multiple video resolutions, and no matter what
>>> I change it to, it doesn't help.
>>> What is happening is that on m.Facebook.com, even with a maximized
>>> browser window, Window-Eyes while reading statuses totally skips over
>>> characters that I know are on the screen. Redrawing the screen,
>>> changing video resolutions, etc doesn't help. So, here is an example.
>>> I might type a status like:
>>> Hi folks, I'm hanging out and sending  the bug reports like I usually
>>> do.
>>> But Window-Eyes will read  once it's posted something like this:
>>> Hi folks, I'm hanging out and sending th bug reports  like I usual do.
>>> It's totally skipping over characters that no other sccreen reader,
>>> NVDA, JAWS, System Access, etc, is missing on the screen while using
>>> m.Facebook.com.
>>> I have tested with all of the above tools here, and include them in my
>>> description of the problem.
>>> Only Window-Eyes, which is my primary start up screen reader, has this
>>> problem.
>>> The other bug report I want to mention is that during a read to end,
>>> Window-Eyes on large web pages with loads of comments etc sometimes
>>> pauses for ages before continueing to speak then pauses, for over five
>>> seconds on some pages, then continues reading, but ultimately stops
>>> reading all together.
>>> Also, if the last line in a read to end is not a blank line,
>>> Window-Eyes will forever repeat the last word it landed on.
>>> For an example, feel free to read any of the reviews on:
>>> http://www.aworkathomebusinesses.com
>>>
>>> You will find that there can be over 200 comments and that if you
>>> start a say all, this odd pausing bug will occur.
>>> As for the last line being repeated forever if the last line is not a
>>> blank line in a read to end?
>>> Find anything, text, Word, or whatever documents, or maybe web pages
>>> (haven't tested those), put lots of text in to a document, insure the
>>> last line contains a word, and whatever word that cursor lands on
>>> should repeat continuesly without control being pressed to shut up
>>> speech.
>>> Thanks!
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Keith
>>> ___
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Re: Mozilla Firefox and Window-Eyes strange character skipping bug

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

Hi Mark,
I only have ESpeak and the Microsoft Speech platform here at the
moment as voice options, but the issues I have written about appear to
be ESpeak specific.
I know from experience that Eloquence wouldn't do this out of the box,
etc as well.
I was able to read the last Facebook status that was reading in a
strange way perfectly with the Microsoft speech platform, that didn't
read right using ESpeak.
Cool, I guess, grin!
Regards,
Keith.
However, I can reproduce one issue, regardless of speech synthesizer
utilized with the latest stable Window-Eyes.
That read to end bug I wrote about where the last word Window-Eyes
encounters gets repeated, in this case my name a few moments ago,
repeated Keith over and over and over without pause until I shut up
speech myself, and I don't have ESpeak being used at the moment.
Only work around for that particular bug is to put a blank line at the
eend of a email, etc.
However, I should note this behavior is happening inside Mozilla
Firefox, and surprisingly, not Notepad as my test application!
Wow!
Mozilla Firefox is my default browser.
And if it helps, always use the cursor keys to navigate with in pages
is checked under the options area, I wonder if that's causing some of
fthis behavior like read to end being odd?

On 9/12/15, Marc Solomon via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> Keith,
> Can you reproduce these issues using a different synthesizer?
> Marc
>
> Sent with AquaMail for Android
> http://www.aqua-mail.com
>
>
> On September 12, 2015 12:10:55 PM Keith Hinton via Talk
> <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi folks,
>> I'm currently running Windows 7 64 bit Professional, Window-Eyes 9.2,
>> Office 2010, and the latest version of Mozilla Firefox is installed,
>> with all Window-Eyes apps currently updated.
>> I have tested this with multiple video resolutions, and no matter what
>> I change it to, it doesn't help.
>> What is happening is that on m.Facebook.com, even with a maximized
>> browser window, Window-Eyes while reading statuses totally skips over
>> characters that I know are on the screen. Redrawing the screen,
>> changing video resolutions, etc doesn't help. So, here is an example.
>> I might type a status like:
>> Hi folks, I'm hanging out and sending  the bug reports like I usually do.
>> But Window-Eyes will read  once it's posted something like this:
>> Hi folks, I'm hanging out and sending th bug reports  like I usual do.
>> It's totally skipping over characters that no other sccreen reader,
>> NVDA, JAWS, System Access, etc, is missing on the screen while using
>> m.Facebook.com.
>> I have tested with all of the above tools here, and include them in my
>> description of the problem.
>> Only Window-Eyes, which is my primary start up screen reader, has this
>> problem.
>> The other bug report I want to mention is that during a read to end,
>> Window-Eyes on large web pages with loads of comments etc sometimes
>> pauses for ages before continueing to speak then pauses, for over five
>> seconds on some pages, then continues reading, but ultimately stops
>> reading all together.
>> Also, if the last line in a read to end is not a blank line,
>> Window-Eyes will forever repeat the last word it landed on.
>> For an example, feel free to read any of the reviews on:
>> http://www.aworkathomebusinesses.com
>>
>> You will find that there can be over 200 comments and that if you
>> start a say all, this odd pausing bug will occur.
>> As for the last line being repeated forever if the last line is not a
>> blank line in a read to end?
>> Find anything, text, Word, or whatever documents, or maybe web pages
>> (haven't tested those), put lots of text in to a document, insure the
>> last line contains a word, and whatever word that cursor lands on
>> should repeat continuesly without control being pressed to shut up
>> speech.
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Keith
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Mozilla Firefox and Window-Eyes strange character skipping bug

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

Hi folks,
I'm currently running Windows 7 64 bit Professional, Window-Eyes 9.2,
Office 2010, and the latest version of Mozilla Firefox is installed,
with all Window-Eyes apps currently updated.
I have tested this with multiple video resolutions, and no matter what
I change it to, it doesn't help.
What is happening is that on m.Facebook.com, even with a maximized
browser window, Window-Eyes while reading statuses totally skips over
characters that I know are on the screen. Redrawing the screen,
changing video resolutions, etc doesn't help. So, here is an example.
I might type a status like:
Hi folks, I'm hanging out and sending  the bug reports like I usually do.
But Window-Eyes will read  once it's posted something like this:
Hi folks, I'm hanging out and sending th bug reports  like I usual do.
It's totally skipping over characters that no other sccreen reader,
NVDA, JAWS, System Access, etc, is missing on the screen while using
m.Facebook.com.
I have tested with all of the above tools here, and include them in my
description of the problem.
Only Window-Eyes, which is my primary start up screen reader, has this problem.
The other bug report I want to mention is that during a read to end,
Window-Eyes on large web pages with loads of comments etc sometimes
pauses for ages before continueing to speak then pauses, for over five
seconds on some pages, then continues reading, but ultimately stops
reading all together.
Also, if the last line in a read to end is not a blank line,
Window-Eyes will forever repeat the last word it landed on.
For an example, feel free to read any of the reviews on:
http://www.aworkathomebusinesses.com

You will find that there can be over 200 comments and that if you
start a say all, this odd pausing bug will occur.
As for the last line being repeated forever if the last line is not a
blank line in a read to end?
Find anything, text, Word, or whatever documents, or maybe web pages
(haven't tested those), put lots of text in to a document, insure the
last line contains a word, and whatever word that cursor lands on
should repeat continuesly without control being pressed to shut up
speech.
Thanks!

Regards,
Keith
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Profiles

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

Hi folks,
I haven't done this in Window-Eyes for probably over a year.
But my default profile uses the settings I like, I.e. Speech rate,
synthesizer, etc.
What I'm trying to remember how to do is say, how to get those
settings to also apply to the log in screen profile.
The speech synthesizer and rate that Window-Eyes uses at the log on
screen is totally different from my present profile changes.
But like I say, I haven't messed with this in  ages.
I do have advanced options enabled, however.
ANy pointers would be appreciated.
Any ponitters would be appreciated.
What I'm trying to do is to take the settings my profile uses and
apply them to the one that is used at the log on screen.
Thanks!

Regards,
Keith
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A tip for those with Intel cards just in case you screw up rotation anyways.

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

Hi folks,
I wanted to pass along a tip for those of you with computers that have
an Intel graphics card such as my machines.
I thought this might help some of you out.
I was using a different screen reader at the time when this happened
that does not hook the keyboard at the same level Window-Eyes does,
and messed up my rotation. I had no sighted help around, but I knew
that somehow I'd messed up the rotation.
Not knowing what to do, I checked in my Intel graphics notification
icon, and found an option to adjust rotations.
There was all kinds of things: rotating to 90 degrees, rotating to
100, and some others I didn't understand but one option I checked
which has stayed that way is "rotate to normal"
You may be able to find that when you bring up the context menu for
your specific Intel video card just in case you do somehow mess up
rotation on accident.
I don't know how many Window-Eyes users would care about rotation, or
even need to care about this particular tip, but I thought that
nevertheless, this tip might be of help to some of you on this list in
the future.
I hope that this has been of value to at least somebody.
If you have gotten value out of this tip, feel free to let me know.

Regards,
keith
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Re: Chicken nugget and we issue.

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

Hi, this isn't happening for me, but I have stuffed insane amounts of
Ram in to my 64-bit machine, and am runing on well over the amount
that msot people run there machines at, so there you have it.
I've got over 4 Gb easily in this box, with Window-Eyes 9.2, and Windows 7 X64.
I'm sorry I can't be of further help.
Can you give a bit more information on the machine that you have?
How much Ram do you have installed?
4GB?
If so, the problem could be a Chicken Nugget memory leek problem.
In which case, I'd advise you to try Window-Eyes out with something like TWBlue.
I don't suggest you use TheQube, as that client has massive bugs anyways.
In fact, just about all of them are buggy as heck to be honest, but
lots of users who had problems many of them with Chicken Nugget, are
having success with TWBlue stable builds.
I hope this helps!

Regards,
Keith

On 9/6/15, Reeva Webb via Talk  wrote:
> I'm not sure if this issue is a we one or chicken nugget one, but i'll
> start here. Every time i open chicken nuggget since it's most recent update
> we locks up and chicken nugget becomes unresponsive even after i restart
> we. I thought maybe it was because it was trying to load too many tweets
> doesn't matter if it is 18 or 500 this is still happening. Thought it might
> be a synth issue. I tried every voice i have still happening. thought it
> might be because i run we and zoomtext at the same time turned off zt stil
> happening. This is driving me insane. Anyone else having this issue? Using
> we 9.2 on a windows 8.1 64 bit laptop
>
> From
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Re: Chicken nugget and we issue.

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

One other thing.
How long have you had Windows on that machine for?
Windows installations like any other thing can get old and just need a
clean installation from time to time.
But I wouldn't advise you try that if you don't feel up to it of
course, but that's also a possibility that came to mind.
Regards,
keith

On 9/6/15, Keith Hinton  wrote:
> Hi, this isn't happening for me, but I have stuffed insane amounts of
> Ram in to my 64-bit machine, and am runing on well over the amount
> that msot people run there machines at, so there you have it.
> I've got over 4 Gb easily in this box, with Window-Eyes 9.2, and Windows 7
> X64.
> I'm sorry I can't be of further help.
> Can you give a bit more information on the machine that you have?
> How much Ram do you have installed?
> 4GB?
> If so, the problem could be a Chicken Nugget memory leek problem.
> In which case, I'd advise you to try Window-Eyes out with something like
> TWBlue.
> I don't suggest you use TheQube, as that client has massive bugs anyways.
> In fact, just about all of them are buggy as heck to be honest, but
> lots of users who had problems many of them with Chicken Nugget, are
> having success with TWBlue stable builds.
> I hope this helps!
>
> Regards,
> Keith
>
> On 9/6/15, Reeva Webb via Talk  wrote:
>> I'm not sure if this issue is a we one or chicken nugget one, but i'll
>> start here. Every time i open chicken nuggget since it's most recent
>> update
>> we locks up and chicken nugget becomes unresponsive even after i restart
>> we. I thought maybe it was because it was trying to load too many tweets
>> doesn't matter if it is 18 or 500 this is still happening. Thought it
>> might
>> be a synth issue. I tried every voice i have still happening. thought it
>> might be because i run we and zoomtext at the same time turned off zt
>> stil
>> happening. This is driving me insane. Anyone else having this issue?
>> Using
>> we 9.2 on a windows 8.1 64 bit laptop
>>
>> From
>> Reeva
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Hi folks! I'm wondering if synthesizer authorizations are tide to my Window-Eyes profile found in the appdata directory?

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

Hi everybody!
I'm back on the list, I guess for some reason my email was removed
after a period of inactivity.
I've been very busy with education stuff, so when I didn't notice any
emails from the list after getting an email about being unsubscribed
specificly from this list, I decided to reactivate my subscription.
I sent this message out yesterday then forgot that most likely it
wouldn't have any effect and that therefore I couldn't receive the
help I needed from the community.

SO, here is what I'm curious about.
You all know about the fact that applications store user profiles in
our appdata directories.
But what I'm not sure about since I'm presently working with
Window-Eyes for Office, is if I were to buy extra voices, would those
authorizations then be dependent upon that user profile?
There are times where I've made so many changes to the profile at
times that I'll go in, and actually erase the profile for Window-Eyes,
relaunch Window-Eyes and run back through the getting started wizard
at times.
I don't mind doing that at the moment, but I'm not working with extra
voices either.
So I need to know if doing that in the  future should I get voices
would actually cause potential problems that I could save myself from
at some point in the future.
Thanks so much for reading, I appreciate any responses from the
community or AI Squared staff.
Take care folks.

Regards,
Keith
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Re: 64 bit speech synthesizers.

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

Yeah, I'd like to know the same  that was just asked. Are there any
advantages to a 64-bit synthesizer over 32-bit anyway?

On 8/11/15, Matthew Chao via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 Are there any advantages to a 64-bit synthesizer?  On 64-bit
 machines, does Window-eyes run in 64-bit mode?  Thanks.--Matthew Chao

 At 06:18 AM 8/11/2015, you wrote:
Curtis,

The only 64-bit synthesizer I know of in popular use is the iOS
edition of the Appletalk Alex voice. Point us to synthesizers that
are 64-bit and which don't work with WE, and we can investigate.


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  On Aug 11, 2015, at 2:49 AM, Curtis Delzer via Talk
 talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 
  More and more, 64 bit synthesizers are becoming available. When will
  Window-Eyes support them?
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Window-Eyes and VirtualBox

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

Hello folks,
I am curious if Window-Eyes would work with a QT written application
like VirtualBox for running virtual machines.
I am curious if users, or staff members at AISquaired have ever had
the chance to try running Window-Eyes with it beore or would be
willing to find out if it's doable or not.
I am considering deploying VirtualBox since it is a freeware
application at some point, plus it offers far more features than
VMware does.
And I am wondering if anybody has tested VirtualBox with Window-Eyes,
especially the most current version,  and VirtualBox5.0, the latest
stable.
I would like to know if anybody has tested this or might be able to do so.
It would be fun if I could install it and Window-Eyes just hhappened
to work well with it.
Thanks for any thoughts!
P.s.
This isn't something for the average non technical user.
You need to be a  power user, somebody who will frequently do software
testing and development and such in virtual environments etc to really
know what a virtual machine is and how they work.
If your not up tot he chalenge of possibly looking in to my quesiton,
then I would suggest that you don't try it if you don ot know what
your doing.
Virtual machine environments aren't for the faint at heart to just try
to install randomly if they don't know what they're doing on any
computer sytem ever built.
You need extra RAM and disk space usually, and I'd say more than just
4 GB of RAM installed.
Otherwise you're host operating system, the main
one your running the VM environments on will crash and possibly become unstable.
Regards,
keith
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Re: downgrading to window-eyes 9.1

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

There is separate from Window-Eyes for Office, or even the retail
version, a 60 day evaluation that one can install to test Window-Eyes.
And that is free of charge. After the 60 days, you'd need to reinstall
Windows again to repeat the process if you weren't sure, or possibly
get Window-Eyes for Office, or pay for Window-Eyes at full price.
Unless of course, you don't mind rebooting every 30 minutes after the
fact. So there you go. Also remember please that Window-Eyes is not
for everybody. No screen reader can be nor operating system choice for
that matter. In the future, I would recommend saving the version
installers. I have 9.1, 9.2,9.0, and 8.4, for example of the
Window-Eyes for Ofice installers at the time they they were
respectively available. Also, keep in mind that AISquared is not the
only company having you use current products. Serotek is this way as
well. If Freedom Scientific is for you, then maybe it is. Or possibly
NVDA, or even VoiceOver. The point is, Window-Eyes is a possibility.
And it is certainly not a requirement. I hope this helps. And Chris,
if you need one of htose Window-Eyes for Office installers as that's
all I have her, I can talk with you off list about htat. Widnow-Eyes
9.2 is the current release, so that's all you'll ever get automaticly.
Take advantage o saving fiels while you can while the releases are
production before they get replaced by new executables.
Regards,
Keith

On 8/4/15, Nick Sarames via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 I'm a bit confused.  If you have a hard copy of the previous version,
 can't you simply reinstall it?  Also is there a demo one can install, to
 see if he (she) is not sure he'll like the upgrade?

 On 8/4/2015 3:14 AM, Chris via Talk wrote:
 Hi I am sorry if I go on a rant here. You see this is my gripe with GW
 Micro. they never offer older versions. As with any other company they
 like you to be on the latest and greatest and stick with that unless
 you have an older version somewhere from a backup. Gw Micro does not
 offer older versions, never did and probably never will. Now with FS
 and NVaccess, they both provide older versions of their screen readers
 on their website. This is good as people like you can downgrade should
 they wish. But no Gw Micro won't do that; they expect you to be on the
 latest and greatest. Again sorry if this comes out as a rant and am
 sorry to be harsh. I'm trying not to bash anyone either. I'm just
 offering my £0.02 worth. Good luck on getting your copy of 9.1 because
 you will need it.

 On 03/08/2015 23:05, Chris Skarstad via Talk wrote:
 Hi guys

 After today, I think it might be a wise idea to downgrade to Window-eyes
 9.1.  Here's the issue though.  I seem to have misplaced my 9.1 upgrade
 file. I do have a9.0 cd.  Is there any way of getting ahold of a 9.1
 upgrade file?  I can certainly uninstall and re-install Window-eyes, but
 I'd like to go back to 9.1.  You'll have to forgive me if this seems
 obvious but I've never had to do this sort of thing before. This is the
 first time i've ever had an issue like this.
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Re: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

In today's Internet connected world, I believe that privacy died a
long time ago honestly. We have never had it. And we never will. Sites
most of them sell infomration, and rent them out to other companies,
as part of data collection practices. The NSA has been spying on us
for over 10 years. So, do I personally believet hat we still have any
privacy at all? No. Now, do some times and people protect our privacy
with them for hwatever they do? Most certainly. But remember this. The
Intenret is a public resource. So, if you truely want privacy, turn
off your computers, stop using your cards, go back to cash or paper
checks, sshut down all bank accounts, etc. Only speak to people once
you've looked around for bug tracking devices, etc. Think on that.

On 8/1/15, Kim Lingo via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 The real question is:  do you really believe you still have it?
 Kim Lingo

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 Sent: Friday, July 31, 2015 3:38 PM
 Subject: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?


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 http://betanews.com/2015/07/31/the-real-price-of-windows-10-is-your-privacy/

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Re: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

Well said Chris mate! Way to go, buddy!

On 8/1/15, Chris via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 My response? If you are so concerned with privacy, switch everything off
 including your internet, computers and devices and so on.

 On 01/08/2015 00:34, tchild via Talk wrote:
 Big Brother is watching!!! Is USA the new commies on the block?

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 Subject: windows 10 are you willing to give up your privacy?

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Re: does eloquence come with wineyes for office

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

I know the original poster was asking about just Eloqeunce, but I
think it would be advised that you read over this FAQ (Frequently
Asked Questions) document Bush.
This will help you know the main differences between the paid and
Window-Eyes for Office offer.

http://www.windoweyesforoffice.com/FAQ/
I hope this document helps everybody on this list.

Regards,
Keith

On 7/30/15, gary melconian via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 No all you get is Microsoft sapi 5 which is much better than eloquence.
 Also
 you get e spak .thee are the two free ones. If you want eloquence it will
 cost you $39. If you have a copy of Kurzweil, then you can rrun the speech
 work version of eloquence and from my pint of view that's a much better
 then
 any eloquence out there.  Also ther isa sapi 5 version by code factory as
 well.

 -Original Message-
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 Behalf Of Butch K via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2015 4:41 PM
 To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Subject: does eloquence come with wineyes for office

 Hello, does the eloquence synthesizer come free with wineyes for office, or
 do you have to buy eloquence separatly? thanks.

 Butch

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Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

I don't know if CHip already covered this, but he was talking about
Microsoft who has the power to close any dealings with anybody they
wish. Fact is, while this partnership may be around for years to come,
we don't know what will happen in the future. If it ever whent away,
you'd all have to save up and buy Window-Eyes anyways.

On 7/29/15, Keith Hinton keithint1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hi folks, I'll be direct in my views here for ther est ofy ou.
 1.
 Hear is what makes AISquared/GW staff different from allt he other
 major corporations out there.
 One on one personal service.
 In the business that I have owned for a year, I also provide my
 clients personal support, and am on hand to help with whatever they
 might need from me.
 So if they don't know how something works, well there you go.
 I believe in  the personal touch, it sets much apart when that is given.
 So while I use the free version of Window-Eyes and am on a fixed
 income like many ofy ou, I am going to save up as much as I need to so
 that I can ultimately invest in a full copy of Window-Eyes for several
 reasons.
 1. I'll get all the voices I want.
 2.
 I'd like the benefit of knowing that should I need help I'll get free
 unlimited support and the personal touch the staff bring to
 Window-Eyes.
 3.
 Knowing that I won't necessarily need Office installed will be of help
 actualy, because the last thing I need is a screen reader dependent
 upon Micorosft Office itself. Sorry guys, but I don't install Office
 on all machines.
 There are times where I have needed ot use Window-Eyes in virtual
 machine environments for testing purposes, and every time I need do
 that, I fire up the 60 day evaluation for those times.
 Why? Because usually after I first set up a Windows machine, virutal
 or not, I don't have Office installed.
 And I'd prefer to have all voices just owrk out of hte box that
 Window-Eyes supports without buying them separately.
 I've come to see everything in my life, not as an expense, but as an
 investment.
 Investing in Window-Eyes over JAWS for my work life as it works with
 the ecommerce shop I own even though I work out of my home in a lot of
 cases would be an investment worth making to me, so I'm coming at you
 from the other end of the spectrum.
 I'm lucky that I haven't needed  to pay for support because I can't
 presently aford the support costs that come with Window-Eyes For
 Office at all.
 I own a business I need to save up money to make investments in it
 from time to time, I need to save up money for this, that, and so on.
 So, ultimately having to pay for support is a large deal breaker.
 Requiring that Office be installed like I say is not at all funny to
 me, and ultimately, I'd just like to pay for the occasional SMA.
 I am sure AISquared makes paying for the SMA easy and quick.
 DO they make you sign a Braille form or something crazy then mail it back?
 Or can they just charge your card for you over the phone or online?
 Either way, I think maintaining an agreement with them is worth it.
 So there is my opinion especially regarding the personal touch.
 I'd appreciate knowing from you SMA users how easy it has been to pay
 for them when you've had to.
 Talk to you all soon!

 Regards,
 Keith

 On 7/29/15, Chip Orange via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 Hi Robin,

 If you use your screen reader for work, and in an emergency would really
 need help, I would not give up support; it's too important to you (and
 I've
 seen too many people rescued by support when their Window-Eyes wasn't
 working, or wasn't working with the program they needed).  I also suspect
 your requests for enhancements (especially to make it work with some new
 program) get much more attention when you're a paying support customer.

 As for the synthesizer, yes, you are giving up the use of any high
 quality
 one.  You are also gambling on MS keeping this program going from year to
 year; they could stop it at any time and your copy of Window-Eyes (the
 free
 one) would no longer work.

 Chip


 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
 On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
 Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:29 AM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

 My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to
 the
 free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2.  The quality of tech support was
 a
 big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me
 to
 consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the
 switch think I'm giving up anything else.  I currently use the Dectalk
 voice
 in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have
 to.

 Opinions?


 Robin Van Lant | Sr. Program Manager
 Strategy  Performance Management | Key Equipment Finance
 720-304-1060 | robin_van_l...@key.com



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Re: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

Hi folks, I'll be direct in my views here for ther est ofy ou.
1.
Hear is what makes AISquared/GW staff different from allt he other
major corporations out there.
One on one personal service.
In the business that I have owned for a year, I also provide my
clients personal support, and am on hand to help with whatever they
might need from me.
So if they don't know how something works, well there you go.
I believe in  the personal touch, it sets much apart when that is given.
So while I use the free version of Window-Eyes and am on a fixed
income like many ofy ou, I am going to save up as much as I need to so
that I can ultimately invest in a full copy of Window-Eyes for several
reasons.
1. I'll get all the voices I want.
2.
I'd like the benefit of knowing that should I need help I'll get free
unlimited support and the personal touch the staff bring to
Window-Eyes.
3.
Knowing that I won't necessarily need Office installed will be of help
actualy, because the last thing I need is a screen reader dependent
upon Micorosft Office itself. Sorry guys, but I don't install Office
on all machines.
There are times where I have needed ot use Window-Eyes in virtual
machine environments for testing purposes, and every time I need do
that, I fire up the 60 day evaluation for those times.
Why? Because usually after I first set up a Windows machine, virutal
or not, I don't have Office installed.
And I'd prefer to have all voices just owrk out of hte box that
Window-Eyes supports without buying them separately.
I've come to see everything in my life, not as an expense, but as an investment.
Investing in Window-Eyes over JAWS for my work life as it works with
the ecommerce shop I own even though I work out of my home in a lot of
cases would be an investment worth making to me, so I'm coming at you
from the other end of the spectrum.
I'm lucky that I haven't needed  to pay for support because I can't
presently aford the support costs that come with Window-Eyes For
Office at all.
I own a business I need to save up money to make investments in it
from time to time, I need to save up money for this, that, and so on.
So, ultimately having to pay for support is a large deal breaker.
Requiring that Office be installed like I say is not at all funny to
me, and ultimately, I'd just like to pay for the occasional SMA.
I am sure AISquared makes paying for the SMA easy and quick.
DO they make you sign a Braille form or something crazy then mail it back?
Or can they just charge your card for you over the phone or online?
Either way, I think maintaining an agreement with them is worth it.
So there is my opinion especially regarding the personal touch.
I'd appreciate knowing from you SMA users how easy it has been to pay
for them when you've had to.
Talk to you all soon!

Regards,
Keith

On 7/29/15, Chip Orange via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 Hi Robin,

 If you use your screen reader for work, and in an emergency would really
 need help, I would not give up support; it's too important to you (and I've
 seen too many people rescued by support when their Window-Eyes wasn't
 working, or wasn't working with the program they needed).  I also suspect
 your requests for enhancements (especially to make it work with some new
 program) get much more attention when you're a paying support customer.

 As for the synthesizer, yes, you are giving up the use of any high
 quality
 one.  You are also gambling on MS keeping this program going from year to
 year; they could stop it at any time and your copy of Window-Eyes (the free
 one) would no longer work.

 Chip


 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+chip.orange=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com]
 On Behalf Of Van Lant, Robin via Talk
 Sent: Wednesday, July 29, 2015 11:29 AM
 To: Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Opinion on moving from paid version of WE to free version

 My last SMA is done, so I'm debating whether to buy a new one or move to
 the
 free version of WE to upgrade to WE 9.2.  The quality of tech support was a
 big reason I chose Window Eyes originally and that is a big factor for me
 to
 consider in this switch, but I also want to know if others who made the
 switch think I'm giving up anything else.  I currently use the Dectalk
 voice
 in WE and do have Kurzweil so I can use that Eloquence voice if I have to.

 Opinions?


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Tips For Those Doing New Upgrades!

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

Hello everybody,
I wanted to be absolutely sure you folks are aware of this.
Several of you no doubt arre, but during upgrades like this, the
server or servers that are used get hammered so that some people can't
upgrade successfully.
Another problem can be ISP packet inspection and other similar issues
between you and the AISquared servers and other crazy Internet related
things.
So keep all of this in mind.
The Internet is great, but when servers are hammered, some do better
than others.
I hope this helps!

Regards,
Keith
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Re: upgrading to windows 10

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

One other thing to add to Dave's advice.
I would avoid strongly upgrading to any operating system, at least
until you know a service pack or similar is released.
In my experience, especially Windows upgrades, the system will not run
as smoothly as it would otherwise run if you bought Windows ten say at
the retail price of like $200 or whatever price Microsoft puts that
copy at.
My suggestion is that it's best to get a system with Windows ten
already on it at some point down the road once AISquared has released
a copy of Window-Eyes that is Windows ten compatible that is not in
public beta form and is an actual current release.
That's just my suggestion, feel free to run through the mine field and
see if you get exploded, but I too, agree here with Dave.
I'd wait around, to see how all this stuff pans out.
And it will take AISquared a while to come out with something that supports it.
At this point and time, Window-Eyes really does not have Windows ten support.
Not any you can rely on.
Thanks.

On 6/2/15, Dave via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 Hello,

 This is only advice, and none of you are forced to take it.

 If Microsoft does meet their Delivery Date of the last part of July,
 you have one year to upgrade to Win 10.

 I rarely ever jump on the First Edition of any Software, Especially
 Operating Systems.

 I waited for Window Eyes 9.1 before I bought the Upgrade.
 Why?  Because I do not like finding the Software still has bugs, and
 areas that need polish.

 When it comes to New editions of Operating Systems, No one knows what
 the final edition of Windows 10 is going to be like.  Sure, these
 Pre-release editions can give some ideas, but Nothing is in Stone,
 and so the Final release may be quite different than what was offered
 as the Beta.

 right now, most of you have a reliable system, that runs fine with
 what ever edition of Windows and Window Eyes you have running.

 Since A I Squared does not have a finished production copy of Windows
 10 yet, and won't until they get one off the Shelf, or one that
 Microsoft sends them, A I Squared can not say with all sertainty that
 Window Eyes will give good access to the new Windows 10.   How could
 they?  think about it.

 I know some here may be in a hurry to have the latest.  Some times
 being on the Cutting Edge is Painful, very Painful.  And if you think
 your frustraighted now, just wait till you paint yourself into a
 corner by downloading the new Windows 10, an hour after it is made
 avaialble to the General Public, and now you have a system that does
 not work as good as before you installed the new Win 10.

 If Win 10 does give problems, it will take some time before they will
 be able to offer a solution.  that solution might be only a small
 adjustment, or some area may need some serious attention.  hard to
 know, since no one, even Microsoft has yet to finish the Win 10
 project, so they do not even know what the final edition that goes to
 Press will be.  they might have great hopes, but no one will know
 until someone at Microsoft says enough, it is good enough, we can fix
 the rest of this stuff later in a Service Pack 1,  2, or 3.

 I am not TELLING anyone what to do here.  This is just un asked for
 advice.  If you trust that all will be well, and you are willing to
 take the risk, go for it.   but, for those of you with a little more
 sense, I would wait for the guys that Can't wait to run through the
 Mine Field first, and if they get through it without getting blown to
 bits, then get your own copy of the new Win 10 and Enjoy.


 Dave

 At 06:11 PM 6/2/2015, you wrote:
Should I upgrade to Windows 10, or should I wait and see if it will work
with WE?  I see it in my sys tray, too. .oh what to do, what to do, what
 to
do.  Should I uninstall my programs or back them up?
Thanks


Best Regards

Charlie Short


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Re: is Windows 10 accessible?

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

Hi, I'd like to answer the origional posters question which will help
those of you who don't want that notificiation icon in your system
tray about Windows 10 if you have no interest at all in upgrading.
Also, I would recommend a cchange in your Windows update settings.
Set it to download updates but let you choose when to isntall them.
Otherwise updates like this one will just install no matter what you do.
Plus, this update is annoying, because Microsoft chose to make it an
important update.
But in my opinion, it's not so necessary.
Windows 7 extended support continues until sometime in 2020
anyways,and as for Windows 8 or 8.1 I have no idea when those support
end dates are.
So, let's go ahead and I'll go in to the technical details of what you
need to know.
1.
The update that was installed on either your Windows 7, 8, or 8.1
computers so long as you are running the very latest updates,  is
update (KB3035583)
You'll need to go in to Windows update, find the list of installed
updates, look for the update that says (KB3033583) in it's name and
then uninstall it.
In addition, to prevent it from being autoinstalled again, it will
need to be hidden the next time you find it in your update list.
A computer reboot is required after uninstalling the update.
Again, the update to watch out for is (KB3033583)
And as far as I know,  from articles I've read regardless of if you
have a 32-bit or 64-bit copy of Windows this is the update that you'll
want to remove and is responsible for installing the Windows 10
notification in to your system tray.
So yes, it is possible to remove the notification icon and not have it
show up again, but I would strongly recommend you change your Windows
update settings to let you choose to install downloaded updates
yourself.
That way you can go through the list and see what you'd like.
I hope this helps.

On 6/2/15, bob jutzi via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 I've been running the last few builds using NVDA but Window-eyes 9.1
 also does work very well.


 On 6/2/2015 10:41 AM, Dave via Talk wrote:
 Hi rick,

 Did you ever try the Scott Trade web site?Was wondering if you found
 it better, when it came to accessibility than the previous trading web
 site.

 Dave

 At 12:58 AM 6/2/2015, you wrote:
 Hi Rod: Bloody good question.
 If I upgrade to windows 10 what happens to WindowEyes? What about the
 Elequence I purchassed from them?
 Rick USA

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
 Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 3:02 PM
 To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: RE: is Windows 10 accessible?

 Hi Darrell,

 Do you mind answering a couple of questions?
 Is it possible to just upgrade to Windows 10 from a copy of Windows 7
 Home
 or Ultimate and then would Window-Eyes make the transition into the
 new OS?
 If Window-Eyes needs to be reinstalled, what would I need to do in
 order to
 get to a place where I have screen reader access via Narrator?
 I certainly appreciate any feedback. Smile

 Much thanks,

 Rod

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
 Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 12:13 PM
 To: Jesse; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: is Windows 10 accessible?

 I am using the preview, and it is accessible. There are some issues of
 responciveness, such as when you use alt tab to switch between
 windows, and
 be careful when moving between builds, because if you are microsoft
 office
 window-eyes user, it will remove your serial number.

 -Original Message-
 From: Jesse via Talk
 Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 11:59 AM
 To: t...@window-eyes.com
 Subject: is Windows 10 accessible?

 When trying to do a normal Windows update, got the reserve your copy of
 Windows 10.  Using Win 7, is this new version accessible? Thanks.

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Re: is Windows 10 accessible?

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

To answer another question on here, there are folks that will not be
upgrading and simply have no intention of doing so, regardless of the
features that Windows ten offers.   Not  everybody on this list cares
about Microsoft's marketing or OS feature set.  That is plainly
obvious.  Otherwise why would I have been tahnked at all for providing
this soltuion? There are obviously those on here who are fine being
where they are.  And it is not up to you Jim what operating system one
chooses to use.  People have their own  reasons for using specific
operating systems. Some applications that folks use might not be
easily upgraded and so on. People have workflows. I respectfully am
not teling you what to use, so why should you do so for others? Thank
you.

On 6/2/15, Keith Hinton keithint1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Remember, that AI Squared cannot answer any of your questions at this
 time.  Windows 10 is still not officially released, and we'll have to
 see a new update for that  full support.

 On 6/2/15, Charles Short  via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 I hope so. ...I can't see why it wouldn't.


 Best Regards

 Charlie Short

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+clshort=verizon@lists.window-eyes.com]
 On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 9:12 PM
 To: Chris Grabowski; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: is Windows 10 accessible?

 Will window eyes work with all windows ten features? such as cortonna? RJ
 - Original Message -
 From: Chris Grabowski via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 To: Rick Thomas ofbgm...@mi.rr.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 12:58 PM
 Subject: RE: is Windows 10 accessible?


 Before upgrading to Windows 10, deactivate your Window-eyes for office
 serial number.
 Do the upgrade then reactivate with the window-eyes authorization and
 synthesizer authorization files you use d when installing eloquence.

 If you do not have them, you can always email us and we can generate a
 link for you to download your Window-eyes authorization again.

 Chris


 Window-Eyes Product Support
 Ai Squared
 725 Airport North Office Park
 Fort Wayne, IN 46825
 (802) 362-3612
 www.aisquared.com

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 11:59 AM
 To: 'Dave'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: RE: is Windows 10 accessible?

 Hi Dave: Not yet.
 I am not even sure if you trade on the site itself or if you have to use
 the
 desktop app they provide.
 It will be some time before I can get to reviewing brokerages since I
 have
 started a major programming project to upgrade my trading platform.
 I might prefer to use a brokerage with a programming interface so I can
 build a custom UI for trading but Scott Trad is on my short list.
 Rick USA

 -Original Message-
 From: Dave [mailto:davidh1...@comcast.net]
 Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 10:41 AM
 To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: RE: is Windows 10 accessible?

 Hi rick,

 Did you ever try the Scott Trade web site?Was wondering if you
 found it better, when it came to accessibility than the previous
 trading web site.

 Dave

 At 12:58 AM 6/2/2015, you wrote:
Hi Rod: Bloody good question.
If I upgrade to windows 10 what happens to WindowEyes? What about the
Elequence I purchassed from them?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]
 On
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 3:02 PM
To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: is Windows 10 accessible?

Hi Darrell,

Do you mind answering a couple of questions?
Is it possible to just upgrade to Windows 10 from a copy of Windows 7
 Home
or Ultimate and then would Window-Eyes make the transition into the new
OS?
If Window-Eyes needs to be reinstalled, what would I need to do in order
to
get to a place where I have screen reader access via Narrator?
I certainly appreciate any feedback. Smile

Much thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 Behalf
Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 12:13 PM
To: Jesse; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is Windows 10 accessible?

I am using the preview, and it is accessible. There are some issues of
responciveness, such as when you use alt tab to switch between windows,
and
be careful when moving between builds, because if you are microsoft
 office
window-eyes user, it will remove your serial number.

-Original Message-
From: Jesse via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 11:59 AM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: is Windows 10 accessible?

When trying to do a normal Windows update, got the reserve your copy of
Windows 10.  Using Win 7, is this new version accessible? Thanks.

Re: is Windows 10 accessible?

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

Rod, you're welcome. :)

On 6/2/15, Keith Hinton keithint1...@gmail.com wrote:
 To answer another question on here, there are folks that will not be
 upgrading and simply have no intention of doing so, regardless of the
 features that Windows ten offers.   Not  everybody on this list cares
 about Microsoft's marketing or OS feature set.  That is plainly
 obvious.  Otherwise why would I have been tahnked at all for providing
 this soltuion? There are obviously those on here who are fine being
 where they are.  And it is not up to you Jim what operating system one
 chooses to use.  People have their own  reasons for using specific
 operating systems. Some applications that folks use might not be
 easily upgraded and so on. People have workflows. I respectfully am
 not teling you what to use, so why should you do so for others? Thank
 you.

 On 6/2/15, Keith Hinton keithint1...@gmail.com wrote:
 Remember, that AI Squared cannot answer any of your questions at this
 time.  Windows 10 is still not officially released, and we'll have to
 see a new update for that  full support.

 On 6/2/15, Charles Short  via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 I hope so. ...I can't see why it wouldn't.


 Best Regards

 Charlie Short

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+clshort=verizon@lists.window-eyes.com]
 On Behalf Of RJ Sandefur via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 9:12 PM
 To: Chris Grabowski; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: is Windows 10 accessible?

 Will window eyes work with all windows ten features? such as cortonna?
 RJ
 - Original Message -
 From: Chris Grabowski via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 To: Rick Thomas ofbgm...@mi.rr.com; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Sent: Tuesday, June 02, 2015 12:58 PM
 Subject: RE: is Windows 10 accessible?


 Before upgrading to Windows 10, deactivate your Window-eyes for office
 serial number.
 Do the upgrade then reactivate with the window-eyes authorization and
 synthesizer authorization files you use d when installing eloquence.

 If you do not have them, you can always email us and we can generate a
 link for you to download your Window-eyes authorization again.

 Chris


 Window-Eyes Product Support
 Ai Squared
 725 Airport North Office Park
 Fort Wayne, IN 46825
 (802) 362-3612
 www.aisquared.com

 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 Behalf Of Rick Thomas via Talk
 Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 11:59 AM
 To: 'Dave'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: RE: is Windows 10 accessible?

 Hi Dave: Not yet.
 I am not even sure if you trade on the site itself or if you have to
 use
 the
 desktop app they provide.
 It will be some time before I can get to reviewing brokerages since I
 have
 started a major programming project to upgrade my trading platform.
 I might prefer to use a brokerage with a programming interface so I can
 build a custom UI for trading but Scott Trad is on my short list.
 Rick USA

 -Original Message-
 From: Dave [mailto:davidh1...@comcast.net]
 Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2015 10:41 AM
 To: Rick Thomas; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: RE: is Windows 10 accessible?

 Hi rick,

 Did you ever try the Scott Trade web site?Was wondering if you
 found it better, when it came to accessibility than the previous
 trading web site.

 Dave

 At 12:58 AM 6/2/2015, you wrote:
Hi Rod: Bloody good question.
If I upgrade to windows 10 what happens to WindowEyes? What about the
Elequence I purchassed from them?
Rick USA

-Original Message-
From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+ofbgmail=mi.rr@lists.window-eyes.com]
 On
Behalf Of Rod Hutton via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 1, 2015 3:02 PM
To: 'Darrell Bowles'; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: is Windows 10 accessible?

Hi Darrell,

Do you mind answering a couple of questions?
Is it possible to just upgrade to Windows 10 from a copy of Windows 7
 Home
or Ultimate and then would Window-Eyes make the transition into the new
OS?
If Window-Eyes needs to be reinstalled, what would I need to do in
 order
to
get to a place where I have screen reader access via Narrator?
I certainly appreciate any feedback. Smile

Much thanks,

Rod

-Original Message-
From: Talk
[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 Behalf
Of Darrell Bowles via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 12:13 PM
To: Jesse; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: is Windows 10 accessible?

I am using the preview, and it is accessible. There are some issues of
responciveness, such as when you use alt tab to switch between windows,
and
be careful when moving between builds, because if you are microsoft
 office
window-eyes user, it will remove your serial number.

-Original Message-
From: Jesse via Talk
Sent: Monday, June 01, 2015 11:59 AM
To: t...@window-eyes.com
Subject: is Windows 10 accessible?

When trying to do a normal Windows update, got the 

Re: Enough of seeking your input

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

Indeed, this is a community list about Window-Eyes last time I checked. :)

On 5/30/15, Reeva Webb via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 Um, this is one of the things this list is for.

 Reeva

 On Saturday, May 30, 2015, hui thian via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 wrote:

 yes I totally agree with you. if we never give our suggestions how will a
 square improve on the product?
 - Original Message - From: net bat via Talk 
 talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 To: Ivan Cribb icr...@iinet.net.au; Window-Eyes Discussion List 
 talk@lists.window-eyes.com
 Sent: Saturday, May 30, 2015 3:28 PM
 Subject: Re: Enough of seeking your input


  in the first place aisquared put out this message. not the listers.
 its aisquared that wants this input for the next w e upgrade.


 -Original Message- From: Ivan Cribb via Talk
 Sent: Friday, May 29, 2015 8:55 PM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: Enough of seeking your input

 How much longer  must this topic go on? We must have had over a hundred
 messages on this topic. Can't we move onto something else.

 Smile

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Re: Seeking Your Input

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

As stated before, this is Mozilla's problem.

On 5/28/15, john s via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 I want the mouse keys back in firefox.



 earlier, Jeremy Curry via Talk, wrote:
Hello Everyone,

We are constantly working behind the scenes to improve our
products.  If you could narrow down the top three requests you would
have us add to our screen reading product, what would they be?

Thanks for the input!

Jeremy

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Phone: (802) 362-3612
Email: jcu...@aisquared.commailto:jcu...@aisquared.com
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Re: Seeking Your Input

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

Hi,
It would be nice to see an improvement to the Insert key layout app
that allows it to work properly with auto forms mode interaction on
web pages.
Right now, in order for it to behave properly  with keyboard input on
web pages, control slash must be used to turn off auto forms
interaction.
While I certainly am glad to have a choice to use auto forms mode
interaction or not,
That would be nice to see resolved so that auto forms interaction
could be left on with either the default layout or insert  key layout
respectively.
Right now, as indicated above, the insert key layout  app as far as
keyboard input is concerned does not work properly so long as auto
form focus is enabled while using browse mode, but works correctly if
currently turned off.
Thanks Geremy for your feedback request.
I personally don't know of any other areas in which I use Window-Eyes
that I'd like to see improvement in,beyond the one I have now brought
to your attention.
Thank you for letting me provide my feedback, and I hope this helps
you behind the seens.
If there is some other way I may be of service, feel free to let me know.

Sincerely,

Keith

On 5/28/15, Kevin Minor via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 Hi.

 I'd like the bug that lets you move the mouse below the bottom of the
 screen
 fixed.  Because of this problem I'm using a different screen reader, and
 I'd
 prefer to use WE.

 Kevin Minor, Lexington, KY
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Re: Seeking Your Input

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

I do not want the f8 feature going away even though some users clearly
do in bbrowse mode. I prefer this.

On 5/28/15, Barbara via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 My 3 choices in no specific order are:

 Be able to read CAPTCHA Verification

 More stability with Office and internet explorer.  I have had more issues
 since version 9 of WE than I have in more than 20 years

 Most far fetched is a way for window-eyes to work with off the shelf
 products without a tech type creating special apps or set files etc.

 Barbara


 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
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 Behalf Of Jeremy Curry via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 12:33 PM
 To: t...@window-eyes.com
 Subject: Seeking Your Input

 Hello Everyone,

 We are constantly working behind the scenes to improve our products.  If
 you
 could narrow down the top three requests you would have us add to our
 screen
 reading product, what would they be?

 Thanks for the input!

 Jeremy

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Re: F8 copying doesn't work

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

The F8 copy command has not given me any problems here.
And please note that I am not using Windows XP.
It has spoken everything properly including the respective copy mesages.
Thanks.

On 5/23/15, Nick Sarames via Talk talk@lists.window-eyes.com wrote:
 Hi, which synthesizer did you use in your tutorial?

 -Original Message-
 From: Chris Grabowski via Talk
 Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2015 5:33 AM
 To: Chip Orange ; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: RE: F8 copying doesn't work

 Hi,
 This will not be its final home, but here is a brief tutorial I recorded on

 using the F8 method online.

 Also note we have done 0 testing with Window-eyes 9.1 under Windows XP as it

 is no longer supported.

 http://www.opendrive.com/files/NzBfMjY0MDg5X3JFUVFkXzhjMDI/UsingF8%20MethodOnline.mp3


 Chris

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 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
 [mailto:talk-bounces+cgrabowski=aisquared@lists.window-eyes.com] On
 Behalf Of Chip Orange via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 4:43 PM
 To: 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
 Subject: RE: F8 copying doesn't work

 I don't know about Don, but it works fine for me as well (but I'm not using
 xp).  Can you borrow or otherwise use another pc with a later version of
 Windows to see if it works ok for you then?

 Chip


 -Original Message-
 From: Talk
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 On Behalf Of Don H via Talk
 Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2015 3:50 PM
 To: Tomáš Hromádka; Window-Eyes Discussion List
 Subject: Re: F8 copying doesn't work

 The F8 copy function was very buggie prior to WE 9.1 but since its
 release it has worked great for me.  The only change I made was to
 change the hot key from F8 to shift downarrow.


 On 5/21/2015 2:46 PM, Tomáš Hromádka via Talk wrote:
 Hi all.
 I'd like to ask you if somebody is able to use the new strange f8 copying
 mechanism in v9.1 release? In the betas it was working, but now 99% times I
 try it it says Can't copy to clipboard and this is in IE and Firefox
 using
 XP. Could it be because of XP? I think that if I use the latest Firefox it
 should work as expected.
 Thanx.
 Tomd
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Window-Eyes 9.1 reading normally with lines Here

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

Hi, folks.
I just wanted everybody to know that while I have been monitoring the
list and noticing that some folks have talked about repating lines or
skipping of lines with Window-Eyes, that I personally, have not
experienced that behavior here.
Not even when browsing hte web.
The only problem that I did post about earlier on in another message
thread, that I have happen  on all my machines is that the insert key
layout seems to act up for some strange reason, not allowing some keys
through so that key bypass must be used such as in Internet Explorer
and Firefox while trying ott ype i edit boxes.
I did note that one person failed to reproduce this problem in that
other thread.
Isn't software an interesting thing? Especially something as complex
as a screen reader?
It can do one thing or a host of things on one machine or a group of
machines, and yet not do so on another set of machines, etc.
Interesting how that works. :)

Have a great day all.

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Keystroke interception issues when running any browser with the insert key layout mode app enabled

[Keith Hinton via Talk]

Hello folks.

I wanted to make sure that Doug, Aaron, Steve, Chris, and the rest of
the folks (including everybody else on this list) knows about the bug
I've discovered still not resolved.
The problem happens specifically when you enable the insert key layout
mode and bring up Mozilla Firefox or Internet Explorer, or basically
anything where browse mode is necessary and you go to enter something
in to any web form edit box control.

Basically, keys at least ont his keyboard, like e, (and possibly
others) seem to be ignored utterly by Window-Eyes while insert key
layout is enabled.

I have to use bypass mode or turn off insert key layout mode entirely
in order for keys to respond as designed while typing in to any web
form. Otherwise like I say, half the keys quit being intercepted
properly by Window-Eyes, requiring either a byypass command so that
the application receives them, or again, to turn off the insert key
layout mode.

I'd like to be able to use the insert key layout app and not have this
problem occur.

This problem still appears to be present in Window-Eyes latest stable release.

Let's see.

I'v d th ist yot mod. ow ots o kys r ot ig itptd popy.
What I just basically tried to type thre should have come out as:
Let's see.
I've enabled insert key layout mode.
Now half the keys on my keyboard are no longer working properly, or
something to that effect.

Why don't you try running the browsers on your machines at AISquaired
and seeing what happens.

Maybe you can release an update that resolves this problem.

Note, that this behavior wont' happen if I use notepad, and as far as
I know any other application (though you may wish to be sure of this
by doing some tests with insert key layout turned on)

Double check to see if keys are being seen by the browsers.

Judging by my screweed up message where I litterally tried to  pres
keys like a, e, etc, half the keys were not being passed through the
moment insert key layout was turned on.

but when turnd off, the keyboard keys were all seeen as if there were
no problems.

So I do not know of anything else I can tel you to even solve the problem.

This problem has existed undetected and apparently not noticed by
anybody for a very long time actually going back to probably when the
layout was first added.

I used ot have issues occasionally with say insert F7 rather than
trigggering the browse mdoe list of links etc, occasioanlly say things
like no user window or  something crazy like that.

I don't know if that bug still exists, but you may want to test under
prolonged browse mode useage.

I hope this helps you effectively at least if nothing else, conduct some tests.

I would appreciate you folks getting hold of me even off list if you need to.

If you need me to produce audio recordings of this behavior, I can do
so  as well, but I think you trying to reproduce this on your end with
insert key layout mode enabled first is a good idea.

Thanks, Doug, aaron, and all ther est who may be abel to figure out
why this interception bug most surely still exists specific apparently
to when typing in edit boxes inside any of the web browsers
Window-Eyes supports as long as insert key layout is enabled.

I tested to see  if keyboard interception is effected in Microsoft
Outlook and Notepad.

This was not the case.

I do not know about WordPad or Word respectively, but I doubt it.

Though a test there wouldn't hurt either.

Just try typing with insert key layout in to any web form you want to
see if any keys suddenly stop being past through to the application.

Hope this helps somebody solve this problem.

In case it helps, I'm testing with both Internet Explorrer and Mozilla
firefox.  Windows 8.1 64 Professional, and latest Window-Eyes, and
office 2010  installed here.

But I also recall this bug happening to me in Windows 7 with the
insert key layout app as well, so I do not think it will matter what
OS you test under.

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