RE: stability versus new browse mode

2015-09-17 Thread Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk 
Hi,
Well I find making auto hot key scripts for starting programs much more
reliable than using the windows short cut key system.  Another advantage is
you can use key combos that are not supported by the typical windows short
cut key system.  For example: I have Window-Eyes starting with the short cut
of windows+alt+w. 
Another advantage is I can take this short cut key script and run it on any
computer and the short cut key script will work.  
Hth 


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Subject: RE: stability versus new browse mode

Then press windows-r and type wineyes and press enter.

If the hot key doesn't work, that will. If it doesn't work then the
alt-control-w wouldn't have worked anyway.
Chris


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Subject: RE: stability versus new browse mode

Only problem is, for many of us, that combination doesn't work.


 
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Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 9:57 AM
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Subject: Re: stability versus new browse mode

Hi Louis:

They have added a feature in Window-eyes 9.1 which allows you to press
control-alt-w and Window-eyes will shut down and then start up again.

Kevin Huber
On 9/15/15, gosselin_louis via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> Lately it seems that every time someone makes a reference to this 
> business of losing speech with Win-Eyes, they always mention 
> ctrl-Alt-w as the touted cure, but no one is saying that you must 
> first shut Win-Eyes down with CtrlInsert-F4, and then, after allowing 
> some time for things to take effect, and hopefully hearing the 
> descending harp stroke sound, then you do the Ctrl-Alt-W thing.  In my 
> experience, though, if you don't hear the descending harp sound, the 
> Ctrl-Alt-W wont work, either.  Fortunately, the pressing of the 
> powerbutton briefly always does work, even to briefly restoring speech 
> before it insists on shutting the computer down.  Wish there were some 
> way to halt the powerbutton shut-down at that point.
>
> Louis Gosselin
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
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> com]
> On Behalf Of Butch K via Talk
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:08 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: stability versus new browse mode
>
> Bob, as I mentioned in my first post, control, alt, W did nothing. I 
> had
to
> reboot everytime. Also, based on my experience, I wouldn't 
> characterize
the
> stability problem as "small." However, I am glad to hear that this 
> problem is being looked at. That offers some hope. Thanks.
>
> Butch
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RE: stability versus new browse mode

2015-09-16 Thread Josh Rivera via Talk 
Only problem is, for many of us, that combination doesn't work.


 
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Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 9:57 AM
To: gosselin_louis; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: stability versus new browse mode

Hi Louis:

They have added a feature in Window-eyes 9.1 which allows you to
press control-alt-w and Window-eyes will shut down and then start up
again.

Kevin Huber
On 9/15/15, gosselin_louis via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> Lately it seems that every time someone makes a reference to this business
> of losing speech with Win-Eyes, they always mention ctrl-Alt-w as the
> touted
> cure, but no one is saying that you must first shut Win-Eyes down with
> CtrlInsert-F4, and then, after allowing some time for things to take
> effect,
> and hopefully hearing the descending harp stroke sound, then you do the
> Ctrl-Alt-W thing.  In my experience, though, if you don't hear the
> descending harp sound, the Ctrl-Alt-W wont work, either.  Fortunately, the
> pressing of the powerbutton briefly always does work, even to briefly
> restoring speech before it insists on shutting the computer down.  Wish
> there were some way to halt the powerbutton shut-down at that point.
>
> Louis Gosselin
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+gosselin_louis=myfairpoint@lists.window-eyes.com]
> On Behalf Of Butch K via Talk
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:08 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: stability versus new browse mode
>
> Bob, as I mentioned in my first post, control, alt, W did nothing. I had
to
> reboot everytime. Also, based on my experience, I wouldn't characterize
the
> stability problem as "small." However, I am glad to hear that this problem
> is being looked at. That offers some hope. Thanks.
>
> Butch
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RE: stability versus new browse mode

2015-09-16 Thread Chris Grabowski via Talk 
Then press windows-r and type wineyes and press enter.

If the hot key doesn't work, that will. If it doesn't work then the 
alt-control-w wouldn't have worked anyway.
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On Behalf Of Josh Rivera via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 11:19 AM
To: 'Kevin Huber' <huber.kev...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: stability versus new browse mode

Only problem is, for many of us, that combination doesn't work.


 
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[mailto:talk-bounces+josh.riveranr=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf 
Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 9:57 AM
To: gosselin_louis; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: stability versus new browse mode

Hi Louis:

They have added a feature in Window-eyes 9.1 which allows you to press 
control-alt-w and Window-eyes will shut down and then start up again.

Kevin Huber
On 9/15/15, gosselin_louis via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
> Lately it seems that every time someone makes a reference to this 
> business of losing speech with Win-Eyes, they always mention 
> ctrl-Alt-w as the touted cure, but no one is saying that you must 
> first shut Win-Eyes down with CtrlInsert-F4, and then, after allowing 
> some time for things to take effect, and hopefully hearing the 
> descending harp stroke sound, then you do the Ctrl-Alt-W thing.  In my 
> experience, though, if you don't hear the descending harp sound, the 
> Ctrl-Alt-W wont work, either.  Fortunately, the pressing of the 
> powerbutton briefly always does work, even to briefly restoring speech 
> before it insists on shutting the computer down.  Wish there were some 
> way to halt the powerbutton shut-down at that point.
>
> Louis Gosselin
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+gosselin_louis=myfairpoint.net@lists.window-eyes.
> com]
> On Behalf Of Butch K via Talk
> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:08 AM
> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
> Subject: stability versus new browse mode
>
> Bob, as I mentioned in my first post, control, alt, W did nothing. I 
> had
to
> reboot everytime. Also, based on my experience, I wouldn't 
> characterize
the
> stability problem as "small." However, I am glad to hear that this 
> problem is being looked at. That offers some hope. Thanks.
>
> Butch
>
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Re: stability versus new browse mode

2015-09-16 Thread Kevin Huber via Talk 
Hi Louis:

True, but I suppose that that is why some people fail to  mention the
extra step of closing Window-eyes.  They forget that not everybody has
the latest version.

Kevin Huber

On 9/16/15, Josh Rivera <josh.river...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Only problem is, for many of us, that combination doesn't work.
>
>
>
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> From: Talk
> [mailto:talk-bounces+josh.riveranr=gmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On
> Behalf Of Kevin Huber via Talk
> Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 9:57 AM
> To: gosselin_louis; Window-Eyes Discussion List
> Subject: Re: stability versus new browse mode
>
> Hi Louis:
>
> They have added a feature in Window-eyes 9.1 which allows you to
> press control-alt-w and Window-eyes will shut down and then start up
> again.
>
> Kevin Huber
> On 9/15/15, gosselin_louis via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:
>> Lately it seems that every time someone makes a reference to this
>> business
>> of losing speech with Win-Eyes, they always mention ctrl-Alt-w as the
>> touted
>> cure, but no one is saying that you must first shut Win-Eyes down with
>> CtrlInsert-F4, and then, after allowing some time for things to take
>> effect,
>> and hopefully hearing the descending harp stroke sound, then you do the
>> Ctrl-Alt-W thing.  In my experience, though, if you don't hear the
>> descending harp sound, the Ctrl-Alt-W wont work, either.  Fortunately,
>> the
>> pressing of the powerbutton briefly always does work, even to briefly
>> restoring speech before it insists on shutting the computer down.  Wish
>> there were some way to halt the powerbutton shut-down at that point.
>>
>> Louis Gosselin
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Talk
>> [mailto:talk-bounces+gosselin_louis=myfairpoint@lists.window-eyes.com]
>> On Behalf Of Butch K via Talk
>> Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:08 AM
>> To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
>> Subject: stability versus new browse mode
>>
>> Bob, as I mentioned in my first post, control, alt, W did nothing. I had
> to
>> reboot everytime. Also, based on my experience, I wouldn't characterize
> the
>> stability problem as "small." However, I am glad to hear that this
>> problem
>> is being looked at. That offers some hope. Thanks.
>>
>> Butch
>>
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Re: stability versus new browse mode

2015-09-16 Thread Pamela Dominguez via Talk 
It wasn't mentioned because you don't have to do it anymore, just the 
control alt w.  Pam.


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Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 7:39 AM
To: 'Butch K' ; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
Subject: RE: stability versus new browse mode

Lately it seems that every time someone makes a reference to this business
of losing speech with Win-Eyes, they always mention ctrl-Alt-w as the touted
cure, but no one is saying that you must first shut Win-Eyes down with
CtrlInsert-F4, and then, after allowing some time for things to take effect,
and hopefully hearing the descending harp stroke sound, then you do the
Ctrl-Alt-W thing.  In my experience, though, if you don't hear the
descending harp sound, the Ctrl-Alt-W wont work, either.  Fortunately, the
pressing of the powerbutton briefly always does work, even to briefly
restoring speech before it insists on shutting the computer down.  Wish
there were some way to halt the powerbutton shut-down at that point.

Louis Gosselin

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On Behalf Of Butch K via Talk
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: stability versus new browse mode

Bob, as I mentioned in my first post, control, alt, W did nothing. I had to
reboot everytime. Also, based on my experience, I wouldn't characterize the
stability problem as "small." However, I am glad to hear that this problem
is being looked at. That offers some hope. Thanks.

Butch

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Re: stability versus new browse mode

2015-09-16 Thread Singing Sparrow via Talk 
the only thing is this if everything is frozen then you would not be 
able to do either alt control w or windows key r and the windoweyes and 
enter, so really this is still a window eyes issue.


On 9/16/2015 1:25 PM, Chris Grabowski via Talk wrote:

Then press windows-r and type wineyes and press enter.

If the hot key doesn't work, that will. If it doesn't work then the 
alt-control-w wouldn't have worked anyway.
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On Behalf Of Josh Rivera via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 11:19 AM
To: 'Kevin Huber' <huber.kev...@gmail.com>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: stability versus new browse mode

Only problem is, for many of us, that combination doesn't work.


  
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Of Kevin Huber via Talk
Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2015 9:57 AM
To: gosselin_louis; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: stability versus new browse mode

Hi Louis:

They have added a feature in Window-eyes 9.1 which allows you to press 
control-alt-w and Window-eyes will shut down and then start up again.

Kevin Huber
On 9/15/15, gosselin_louis via Talk <talk@lists.window-eyes.com> wrote:

Lately it seems that every time someone makes a reference to this
business of losing speech with Win-Eyes, they always mention
ctrl-Alt-w as the touted cure, but no one is saying that you must
first shut Win-Eyes down with CtrlInsert-F4, and then, after allowing
some time for things to take effect, and hopefully hearing the
descending harp stroke sound, then you do the Ctrl-Alt-W thing.  In my
experience, though, if you don't hear the descending harp sound, the
Ctrl-Alt-W wont work, either.  Fortunately, the pressing of the
powerbutton briefly always does work, even to briefly restoring speech
before it insists on shutting the computer down.  Wish there were some
way to halt the powerbutton shut-down at that point.

Louis Gosselin

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On Behalf Of Butch K via Talk
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: stability versus new browse mode

Bob, as I mentioned in my first post, control, alt, W did nothing. I
had

to

reboot everytime. Also, based on my experience, I wouldn't
characterize

the

stability problem as "small." However, I am glad to hear that this
problem is being looked at. That offers some hope. Thanks.

Butch

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Re: stability versus new browse mode

2015-09-15 Thread Brice Mijares via Talk 
If running the latest version of window eyes and hitting control alt w don't 
work, then what does one do?
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To: "gosselin_louis" <gosselin_lo...@myfairpoint.net>; "Window-Eyes 
DiscussionList" <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 8:22 AM
Subject: RE: stability versus new browse mode


Hi,
If you are running 9.0 or later Window-eyes should restart when pressing 
alt-control-w.
If you are running Window-eyes 8.4 or earlier the alt-control-w method will 
not work unless Window-eyes is closed first.


Chris


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Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 7:40 AM
To: 'Butch K' <butc...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>

Subject: RE: stability versus new browse mode

Lately it seems that every time someone makes a reference to this business 
of losing speech with Win-Eyes, they always mention ctrl-Alt-w as the touted 
cure, but no one is saying that you must first shut Win-Eyes down with 
CtrlInsert-F4, and then, after allowing some time for things to take effect, 
and hopefully hearing the descending harp stroke sound, then you do the 
Ctrl-Alt-W thing.  In my experience, though, if you don't hear the 
descending harp sound, the Ctrl-Alt-W wont work, either.  Fortunately, the 
pressing of the powerbutton briefly always does work, even to briefly 
restoring speech before it insists on shutting the computer down.  Wish 
there were some way to halt the powerbutton shut-down at that point.


Louis Gosselin

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Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: stability versus new browse mode

Bob, as I mentioned in my first post, control, alt, W did nothing. I had to 
reboot everytime. Also, based on my experience, I wouldn't characterize the 
stability problem as "small." However, I am glad to hear that this problem 
is being looked at. That offers some hope. Thanks.


Butch

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RE: stability versus new browse mode

2015-09-15 Thread Chris Grabowski via Talk 
Hi,
If you are running 9.0 or later Window-eyes should restart when pressing 
alt-control-w.
If you are running Window-eyes 8.4 or earlier the alt-control-w method will not 
work unless Window-eyes is closed first.

Chris


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www.aisquared.com
 

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On Behalf Of gosselin_louis via Talk
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 7:40 AM
To: 'Butch K' <butc...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List' 
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: stability versus new browse mode

Lately it seems that every time someone makes a reference to this business of 
losing speech with Win-Eyes, they always mention ctrl-Alt-w as the touted cure, 
but no one is saying that you must first shut Win-Eyes down with CtrlInsert-F4, 
and then, after allowing some time for things to take effect, and hopefully 
hearing the descending harp stroke sound, then you do the Ctrl-Alt-W thing.  In 
my experience, though, if you don't hear the descending harp sound, the 
Ctrl-Alt-W wont work, either.  Fortunately, the pressing of the powerbutton 
briefly always does work, even to briefly restoring speech before it insists on 
shutting the computer down.  Wish there were some way to halt the powerbutton 
shut-down at that point.

Louis Gosselin

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Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: stability versus new browse mode

Bob, as I mentioned in my first post, control, alt, W did nothing. I had to 
reboot everytime. Also, based on my experience, I wouldn't characterize the 
stability problem as "small." However, I am glad to hear that this problem is 
being looked at. That offers some hope. Thanks.

Butch

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RE: stability versus new browse mode

2015-09-15 Thread gosselin_louis via Talk 
As usual, I forgot to mention that I've got a Windows 7 Pro, 64-bit computer
running Win-eyes 9.2.  --Louis G.

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Subject: stability versus new browse mode

Bob, as I mentioned in my first post, control, alt, W did nothing. I had to
reboot everytime. Also, based on my experience, I wouldn't characterize the
stability problem as "small." However, I am glad to hear that this problem
is being looked at. That offers some hope. Thanks.

Butch

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RE: stability versus new browse mode

2015-09-15 Thread Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk 
Because you don't have to shut down window-eyes to restart with the startup
command what ever you define it as.  You can also just use the run dialog
and type wineyes.exe and press enter.  Window-eyes should restart.  
This has been the case for a while now.  


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Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 4:40 AM
To: 'Butch K' <butc...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: stability versus new browse mode

Lately it seems that every time someone makes a reference to this business
of losing speech with Win-Eyes, they always mention ctrl-Alt-w as the touted
cure, but no one is saying that you must first shut Win-Eyes down with
CtrlInsert-F4, and then, after allowing some time for things to take effect,
and hopefully hearing the descending harp stroke sound, then you do the
Ctrl-Alt-W thing.  In my experience, though, if you don't hear the
descending harp sound, the Ctrl-Alt-W wont work, either.  Fortunately, the
pressing of the powerbutton briefly always does work, even to briefly
restoring speech before it insists on shutting the computer down.  Wish
there were some way to halt the powerbutton shut-down at that point.

Louis Gosselin

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Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: stability versus new browse mode

Bob, as I mentioned in my first post, control, alt, W did nothing. I had to
reboot everytime. Also, based on my experience, I wouldn't characterize the
stability problem as "small." However, I am glad to hear that this problem
is being looked at. That offers some hope. Thanks.

Butch

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RE: stability versus new browse mode

2015-09-15 Thread gosselin_louis via Talk 
Gee, I didn't know that! Thanks, Jim.  Not that I'm hoping for that occasion
to happen again, but the nex time it does, I'll try that.  Since my usual
mode for dealing with this situation is to press the power butten, though,
I'm not expecting a miracle.

Louis Gosselin


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From: Jim Grimsby JR. [mailto:jgrim...@roadrunner.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 7:47 AM
To: 'gosselin_louis' <gosselin_lo...@myfairpoint.net>; 'Window-Eyes
Discussion List' <talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: stability versus new browse mode

Because you don't have to shut down window-eyes to restart with the startup
command what ever you define it as.  You can also just use the run dialog
and type wineyes.exe and press enter.  Window-eyes should restart.
This has been the case for a while now.


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Sent: Tuesday, September 15, 2015 4:40 AM
To: 'Butch K' <butc...@verizon.net>; 'Window-Eyes Discussion List'
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: RE: stability versus new browse mode

Lately it seems that every time someone makes a reference to this business
of losing speech with Win-Eyes, they always mention ctrl-Alt-w as the touted
cure, but no one is saying that you must first shut Win-Eyes down with
CtrlInsert-F4, and then, after allowing some time for things to take effect,
and hopefully hearing the descending harp stroke sound, then you do the
Ctrl-Alt-W thing.  In my experience, though, if you don't hear the
descending harp sound, the Ctrl-Alt-W wont work, either.  Fortunately, the
pressing of the powerbutton briefly always does work, even to briefly
restoring speech before it insists on shutting the computer down.  Wish
there were some way to halt the powerbutton shut-down at that point.

Louis Gosselin

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On Behalf Of Butch K via Talk
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 11:08 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: stability versus new browse mode

Bob, as I mentioned in my first post, control, alt, W did nothing. I had to
reboot everytime. Also, based on my experience, I wouldn't characterize the
stability problem as "small." However, I am glad to hear that this problem
is being looked at. That offers some hope. Thanks.

Butch

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Re: stability versus new browse mode

2015-09-15 Thread via Talk 
When I bought 9.1, I asked for the 9.1 on CD, but was told I had to
download it, and install the update over my 9.0.  There was no CD for
9.1 at the time.

Since 9.1 had just about all of the bugs I had found in the 9.X Beta
versions, I decided to not buy 9.2 unless it showed some fixes.  So far
users of 9.2 seem to still have the same issues as 9.1 and 9.0. 

I have checked to see that all Set files are up to date.  I have done
everything  A I Tech Support has asked, as well as the suggestions given
here in this list.

So far, the only improvement I have seen was after installing html 5
support into I.E. 11, and to start using the  "Insert Tab" command to
put titles and links into a list.  

Doing this has cut my crashes at least by half, if not more.  

However, I still get too many incidents where WE 9.1 goes silent when
using Becky, MS Word 2010, and Gold Wave.   Still have serious problem
when on the Ebay Web site.   Speech is very fragile, and WE becomes very
sluggish.  And I need to move around very slowly on the Web site.  No
rapid tapping of the up and down arrow keys.Slow Slow Sloiw is the
word, at least for me, when on Ebay.  




-- 
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Re: stability versus new browse mode

2015-09-14 Thread Bob Tinney via Talk 

Butch,

My experience has been the opposite of yours.  I was finding that the 
new dynamic web pages were becoming more difficult if not impossible to 
read until the new brows mode was released.  It is true that there is  a 
minor stability issue with the new brows mode, but I know this issue is 
being addressed.  Remember, you can always hit alt control W to restart 
speech if it stops.  The new brows mode makes possible the reading of 
constantly changing web content. Thank yew to the Window Eyes 
development team!


Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 9/14/2015 9:32 AM, Butch K via Talk wrote:

Hello, I had been using a windows 7 laptop running wineyes 7.5, and it was 
fairly stable. When I finally upgraded to wineyes 9.1, the new browse mode 
could not perform the same tasks as the earlier version of wineyes. It kept 
freezing up while I was on the web doing the same tasks as I had done while 
running wineyes 7.5. Pressing control, alt, W did nothing. I had to do a cold 
boot everytime. After using 9.1 for a couple of weeks, I had to uninstall it 
and go back to an earlier version. This time I installed 8.4, and it works as 
well as when I was running wineyes 7.5. So, to get the benefits of the new 
browse mode, I would have to sacrifice stability. For me, wineyes 9 was a waste 
of money. I can't even use it. I mean what good is a silent screen reader. I 
have been using wineyes since the 1990's, and I have never been this 
disappointed. The new browse mode is so dysfunctional that it should be in beta.

Butch


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Re: stability versus new browse mode

2015-09-14 Thread net bat via Talk 
some times you have to do a clean install not a upgrade. also some of the set 
files were out of date. includeing firefox and i e.

w e 9.2 is the latest version and it did have some bug fixes over w e 9.1.
the only problems i have had so far is with firefox.
w e and firefox will hang when i open the bookmark list  in this case control 
alt w will not close w e until the two unhang.
if i turn off autoload before i open the bookmark list it works fine . without 
hanging.

***
i use a batch file to shut down w e with a command line. this is independent of 
the w e hot keys to reload. the /k command will kill w e.

"C:\Program Files (x86)\GW Micro\Window-Eyes\wineyes.exe" /k
this will shut down w e completely most of the time.
then you can reload with the regular hot keys.


-Original Message- 
From: Butch K via Talk

Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 6:32 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: stability versus new browse mode

Hello, I had been using a windows 7 laptop running wineyes 7.5, and it was 
fairly stable. When I finally upgraded to wineyes 9.1, the new browse mode 
could not perform the same tasks as the earlier version of wineyes. It kept 
freezing up while I was on the web doing the same tasks as I had done while 
running wineyes 7.5. Pressing control, alt, W did nothing. I had to do a cold 
boot everytime. After using 9.1 for a couple of weeks, I had to uninstall it 
and go back to an earlier version. This time I installed 8.4, and it works as 
well as when I was running wineyes 7.5. So, to get the benefits of the new 
browse mode, I would have to sacrifice stability. For me, wineyes 9 was a waste 
of money. I can't even use it. I mean what good is a silent screen reader. I 
have been using wineyes since the 1990's, and I have never been this 
disappointed. The new browse mode is so dysfunctional that it should be in 
beta.


Butch


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Re: stability versus new browse mode

2015-09-14 Thread via Talk 
Bob, Butch said that the infamous ALT CTRL W command to restart a silent
WE, does not work, and that he had to do a Cold Boot of his system to
regain Speech.  

I too find I need to do a Cold Boot about half the time.  

There are enough people who are having issues that it should not be
ignored, in hopes that those of us with these random failures will just
go away.  

Glad you are having success with WE 9.X, at least someone is.  


-- 
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RE: stability versus new browse mode

2015-09-14 Thread Josh Rivera via Talk 
Amen!


 

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Behalf Of Butch K via Talk
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 9:33 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: stability versus new browse mode

Hello, I had been using a windows 7 laptop running wineyes 7.5, and it was
fairly stable. When I finally upgraded to wineyes 9.1, the new browse mode
could not perform the same tasks as the earlier version of wineyes. It kept
freezing up while I was on the web doing the same tasks as I had done while
running wineyes 7.5. Pressing control, alt, W did nothing. I had to do a
cold boot everytime. After using 9.1 for a couple of weeks, I had to
uninstall it and go back to an earlier version. This time I installed 8.4,
and it works as well as when I was running wineyes 7.5. So, to get the
benefits of the new browse mode, I would have to sacrifice stability. For
me, wineyes 9 was a waste of money. I can't even use it. I mean what good is
a silent screen reader. I have been using wineyes since the 1990's, and I
have never been this disappointed. The new browse mode is so dysfunctional
that it should be in beta. 

Butch


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RE: stability versus new browse mode

2015-09-14 Thread Josh Rivera via Talk 
If you've been paying attention to most of the messages, concerning this
instability issue, you'll notice that the hot key, control-alt-W, in many
cases does not work to bring speech back again. It almost never works for
me, and a hard reboot must be done to bring WE back. I've said it before,
and will say it again, WE-9, is the crashiest version of WE ever!
Josh


 

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Behalf Of Bob Tinney via Talk
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 10:17 AM
To: Butch K; Window-Eyes Discussion List
Subject: Re: stability versus new browse mode

Butch,

My experience has been the opposite of yours.  I was finding that the 
new dynamic web pages were becoming more difficult if not impossible to 
read until the new brows mode was released.  It is true that there is  a 
minor stability issue with the new brows mode, but I know this issue is 
being addressed.  Remember, you can always hit alt control W to restart 
speech if it stops.  The new brows mode makes possible the reading of 
constantly changing web content. Thank yew to the Window Eyes 
development team!

Bob, K8LR, tinn...@charter.net

On 9/14/2015 9:32 AM, Butch K via Talk wrote:
> Hello, I had been using a windows 7 laptop running wineyes 7.5, and it was
fairly stable. When I finally upgraded to wineyes 9.1, the new browse mode
could not perform the same tasks as the earlier version of wineyes. It kept
freezing up while I was on the web doing the same tasks as I had done while
running wineyes 7.5. Pressing control, alt, W did nothing. I had to do a
cold boot everytime. After using 9.1 for a couple of weeks, I had to
uninstall it and go back to an earlier version. This time I installed 8.4,
and it works as well as when I was running wineyes 7.5. So, to get the
benefits of the new browse mode, I would have to sacrifice stability. For
me, wineyes 9 was a waste of money. I can't even use it. I mean what good is
a silent screen reader. I have been using wineyes since the 1990's, and I
have never been this disappointed. The new browse mode is so dysfunctional
that it should be in beta.
>
> Butch
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RE: stability versus new browse mode

2015-09-14 Thread Rod Hutton via Talk 
Thanks for the reminder, and, since moving to my new Windows 10 machine,
forgot to put this shortcut on my desktop. smile

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[mailto:talk-bounces+rod_hutton=hotmail@lists.window-eyes.com] On Behalf
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Sent: September 14, 2015 11:55 AM
To: Butch K <butc...@verizon.net>; Window-Eyes Discussion List
<talk@lists.window-eyes.com>
Subject: Re: stability versus new browse mode

some times you have to do a clean install not a upgrade. also some of the
set 
files were out of date. includeing firefox and i e.
w e 9.2 is the latest version and it did have some bug fixes over w e 9.1.
the only problems i have had so far is with firefox.
w e and firefox will hang when i open the bookmark list  in this case
control 
alt w will not close w e until the two unhang.
if i turn off autoload before i open the bookmark list it works fine .
without 
hanging.
***
i use a batch file to shut down w e with a command line. this is independent
of 
the w e hot keys to reload. the /k command will kill w e.
"C:\Program Files (x86)\GW Micro\Window-Eyes\wineyes.exe" /k
this will shut down w e completely most of the time.
then you can reload with the regular hot keys.


-Original Message- 
From: Butch K via Talk
Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 6:32 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: stability versus new browse mode

Hello, I had been using a windows 7 laptop running wineyes 7.5, and it was 
fairly stable. When I finally upgraded to wineyes 9.1, the new browse mode 
could not perform the same tasks as the earlier version of wineyes. It kept 
freezing up while I was on the web doing the same tasks as I had done while 
running wineyes 7.5. Pressing control, alt, W did nothing. I had to do a
cold 
boot everytime. After using 9.1 for a couple of weeks, I had to uninstall it

and go back to an earlier version. This time I installed 8.4, and it works
as 
well as when I was running wineyes 7.5. So, to get the benefits of the new 
browse mode, I would have to sacrifice stability. For me, wineyes 9 was a
waste 
of money. I can't even use it. I mean what good is a silent screen reader. I

have been using wineyes since the 1990's, and I have never been this 
disappointed. The new browse mode is so dysfunctional that it should be in 
beta.

Butch


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RE: stability versus new browse mode

2015-09-14 Thread Jim Grimsby JR. via Talk 
What browser is being used hear.  I am not able to reproduce this problem
using window eyes for office at the moment 9.2 with windows 10 and internet
explorer 11.  It works just fine.  


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Sent: Monday, September 14, 2015 6:33 AM
To: talk@lists.window-eyes.com
Subject: stability versus new browse mode

Hello, I had been using a windows 7 laptop running wineyes 7.5, and it was
fairly stable. When I finally upgraded to wineyes 9.1, the new browse mode
could not perform the same tasks as the earlier version of wineyes. It kept
freezing up while I was on the web doing the same tasks as I had done while
running wineyes 7.5. Pressing control, alt, W did nothing. I had to do a
cold boot everytime. After using 9.1 for a couple of weeks, I had to
uninstall it and go back to an earlier version. This time I installed 8.4,
and it works as well as when I was running wineyes 7.5. So, to get the
benefits of the new browse mode, I would have to sacrifice stability. For
me, wineyes 9 was a waste of money. I can't even use it. I mean what good is
a silent screen reader. I have been using wineyes since the 1990's, and I
have never been this disappointed. The new browse mode is so dysfunctional
that it should be in beta. 

Butch


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Re: stability versus new browse mode

2015-09-14 Thread Jim via Talk 

Hi there GROUP!
I also am having a much higher degree of success with 9.1.  I am going 
to upgrade to Win10 and we9.2 soon.  I really am much happier with 9.1 
than I ever was with 8.4.  I more or less gave up on IE and even FireFox 
while using 8.4.  I do still have the old 8.4 CD although I suspect that 
when I upgrade to W.E. 9.2 I will probably file it away and forget about 
it.  Just thought I would put my two sense worth in whatever that may be 
worth these day! . THANKS AND HAVE A GREAT DAY! De

.

On 14-Sep-15 11:13, via Talk wrote:

Bob, Butch said that the infamous ALT CTRL W command to restart a silent
WE, does not work, and that he had to do a Cold Boot of his system to
regain Speech.

I too find I need to do a Cold Boot about half the time.

There are enough people who are having issues that it should not be
ignored, in hopes that those of us with these random failures will just
go away.

Glad you are having success with WE 9.X, at least someone is.




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