Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[Renaud MICHEL]

Le mardi 16 juin 2009 à 22:45, SteveC a écrit :
> > One of the main annoyances that people tell me that they have with OSM
> > is that whenever they visit the site, the map shows them just the UK.
>
> I thought that the IP 2 geo stuff was in there to make it default to  
> the country it thinks you're in?

It is.
When I open my browser on OSM it is centered on belgium (except from some 
place where it is whole europe, probably because it can't associate the IP 
there to a specific country).

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Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[Tom Hughes]

2009/6/17 Tim Waters (chippy) 

One of the main annoyances that people tell me that they have with OSM
> is that whenever they visit the site, the map shows them just the UK.
>

Presumably these are people who are in the UK?

What are people's thoughts about the default zoom?


Mine are mostly that you clearly have no idea what the current algorithm is
;-)


> I'm aware that sometimes it may use a cookie and so the map will open
> up to a previously viewed area - but only when logged in.


Wrong. There has for a long time now been a location cookie that is
independent of whether you are logged in or not.. As of a few weeks ago it
is no longer a session cookie so it now lasts across browser sessions. If
you are logged in and you have no location cookie then your home location is
used.

Do you think it makes a difference what area a user views?
> Would zooming based on IP Address be a good idea?


We've been doing that for a couple of years - if you have no location cookie
then we us GeoIP to get a country and zoom to that country.


> How about using cookies for non-logged in users?


We've been doing that for a couple of years, as described above.

(One main difference on other sites is that their search box is much
> more prominent)
>

Because it works. Ours doesn't for practical purposes - once that is sorted
we can think about moving it.

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[OSM-talk] Lake Cowichan Now loaded (more of sample 092c area)

[Sam Vekemans]

Hi all,
(Sorry if im making too much traffic)

Anyway, because of the IMMENSE volume of data that i'll be loaded, i feel
its important to keep everyone uptodate, so that you all (everyone) has a
chance to speak now, and yell at me about errors. :-)

However, as i learned from tiger data, im sure that more errors will be
found AFTER i already imported 1/2 of Canada :-)

Anyway, Lake Cowican, BC 092c16 is now available.
It was surprising at how fast the area gets rendered (thanks admins :)

With a big thumbs up to Ian Dees, for working so hard on the
shp-to-osm0.41.jar program, to make it easier to use.  Thanks!
The script now can check to make sure each file is less than the 50,000 item
max, and will create a second file to hold the rest.
It can also convert the french accents, so thats awesome (considering its a
federal database, where french is the other official language)

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=48.8221&lon=-124.053&zoom=12&layers=B000FTF

You can see alot more detail on this area. The only feature that isnt loaded
is the big polygon of wooded area, (that'll take the bulkUpload.pl script
(that i still need to figure out)   thats why im at beta 0.74 (im sure
it's not that hard to learn, i just havent got to it yet.

So I look forward to all your nit pickings.

Cheers,
Sam Vekemans
Across Canada Trails

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Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[maning sambale]

2009/6/15 Peter Dörrie :
> Move the map
Please don't move the map.  It sums-up a lot (not everything but a
lot) of what we do.

OPEN - edit button
STREET - the data
MAP - its geo

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Re: [OSM-talk] [english 95%] Re: openmaps.org

[Jens Frank]

2009/6/16 k...@vielevisels 

>
> So, if you don't take some time to discover what osm can do, you probably
> won't find it. There openmaps.org could help. One thumbnail, a two
> sentence
> explanation and a link, perfect.
>

Some mockup design of how this could look like: http://openmaps.mnjk.de/

(Looks only good in Firefox, needs some more love to really look good, text
is in German)

Regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org

[Stefan de Konink]

SteveC wrote:
> Next I'm going to wake up in the morning and you'll be outside my house, 
> stalking me :-O

Not to worry, Saturday we started a project to have the Chamber of 
Commerce in The Netherlands to be open 24x7 (like your patent office 
they close at night).

I have already 1544818 persons to stalk in the morning, before I'll be 
at your place.


Stefan

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Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org

[Russ Nelson]

On Jun 16, 2009, at 5:09 PM, SteveC wrote:

>
> On 16 Jun 2009, at 09:51, Stefan de Konink wrote:
>
>> Eric Pritchett wrote:
>>> I'm sure there are more advantages,
>>
>> There is; there is no trade mark on the name :)
>
> There isn't on openstreetmap either.


My understanding is that in the US a trademark on a product is created  
by doing trade, whereas in Europe it's created by registering.  Seems  
to me like the OSMF has a trademark on a collection of geodata called  
OpenStreetMap(tm), at least in the US.  It's easier to lose a  
trademark than to gain one, though.  Easiest way to lose one is to  
claim that you don't have a trademark on it.

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Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org

[SteveC]

On 16 Jun 2009, at 14:27, Stefan de Konink wrote:

> SteveC wrote:
>> Wrong again. The ™ was applied for the logo and the name
>
> So 'mark' means to me 'name' so OpenStreetMap was protected if it  
> was granted, yes?

If, yes.

>> in the UK and Europe and the Foundation owns the whole problem, not  
>> me.
>
> I thought you did 'something' in the foundation too ;)

Yeah, but now the OSMF is liable, not me.

>> Passive aggressiveness works much better when you're also correct :-)
>
> In your country it seems that companies can apply, and not persons  
> on their private home addresses ;)
>
> KT13 9DP != CR5 3QZ

Next I'm going to wake up in the morning and you'll be outside my  
house, stalking me :-O

Best

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Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org

[Stefan de Konink]

SteveC wrote:
> Wrong again. The ™ was applied for the logo and the name 

So 'mark' means to me 'name' so OpenStreetMap was protected if it was 
granted, yes?

> in the UK and 
> Europe and the Foundation owns the whole problem, not me.

I thought you did 'something' in the foundation too ;)

> Passive aggressiveness works much better when you're also correct :-)

In your country it seems that companies can apply, and not persons on 
their private home addresses ;)

KT13 9DP != CR5 3QZ



But I am far too happy to be aggressive tonight :D The Dutch tax service 
was so nice :)


Stefan



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Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

Stefan de Konink wrote:
> Ok, the first time they refused it:
> http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2500154
> 
> But since you tried again in two categories...
> http://www.ipo.gov.uk/ohim?ohimnum=E7366859

To the best of my knowledge, community trademarks are somewhat 
transactional - if they fail in one country, they fail altogether [*]. 
Thus even if the community application has not technically been refused 
yet, it would be rather unusual for it to go through.

Personally, I think that a failed trademarking attempt is the best that 
could happen to us. This practically guarantees that nobody can take the 
name away from us (because they'd have to get a trademark for this and 
they won't), and at the same time does not give anyone, even if inside 
our community, the power and responsibility to tell the others what they 
may and may not do with the name. Sort of anarchy.

Bye
Frederik

[*] This is different from international trademarks, where you pick the 
countries you want to apply in, and if it fails in half of them you've 
still got the trademark in the other half.

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Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org

[SteveC]

On 16 Jun 2009, at 14:15, Stefan de Konink wrote:
> SteveC wrote:
>> On 16 Jun 2009, at 09:51, Stefan de Konink wrote:
>>> Eric Pritchett wrote:
 I'm sure there are more advantages,
>>>
>>> There is; there is no trade mark on the name :)
>> There isn't on openstreetmap either.
>
> Ok, the first time they refused it:
> http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2500154
>
> But since you tried again in two categories...
> http://www.ipo.gov.uk/ohim?ohimnum=E7366859
>
> I think you should add 'yet'.

Wrong again. The ™ was applied for the logo and the name in the UK and  
Europe and the Foundation owns the whole problem, not me.

Passive aggressiveness works much better when you're also correct :-)

Best

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Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[brendan barrett]

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 10:52 PM, Shaun
McDonald wrote:
>> Would zooming based on IP Address be a good idea?
>
> Already done to the country level.

I'm in South Africa... and it defaults to the UK for me. Obviously if
I return to the site, then the cookie kicks in and the map shows me
the last viewed area (regardless of whether I have logged in or not).

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Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org

[Stefan de Konink]

SteveC wrote:
> 
> On 16 Jun 2009, at 09:51, Stefan de Konink wrote:
> 
>> Eric Pritchett wrote:
>>> I'm sure there are more advantages,
>>
>> There is; there is no trade mark on the name :)
> 
> There isn't on openstreetmap either.

Ok, the first time they refused it:
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/domestic?domesticnum=2500154

But since you tried again in two categories...
http://www.ipo.gov.uk/ohim?ohimnum=E7366859

I think you should add 'yet'.


Stefan

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Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org

[SteveC]

On 16 Jun 2009, at 09:51, Stefan de Konink wrote:

> Eric Pritchett wrote:
>> I'm sure there are more advantages,
>
> There is; there is no trade mark on the name :)

There isn't on openstreetmap either.

Best

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Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[Shaun McDonald]

On 16 Jun 2009, at 19:38, Tim Waters (chippy) wrote:


One of the main annoyances that people tell me that they have with OSM
is that whenever they visit the site, the map shows them just the UK.


Only if they have a UK IP. Getting more specific than country level is  
usually unreliable.



Would zooming based on IP Address be a good idea?


Already done to the country level.


How about using cookies for non-logged in users?


This is already the case. It doesn't matter if you are logged in to  
get it to show the last place viewed.


How do other mapping websites do things, and are there any lessons  
to learn?


(One main difference on other sites is that their search box is much
more prominent)


The search is intentionally not prominent because it struggles when  
more then a couple of people try searching at the same. Once improved  
search facilities are provided (they are currently in, this des


Shaun

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Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[SteveC]

On 16 Jun 2009, at 11:38, Tim Waters (chippy) wrote:
> One of the main annoyances that people tell me that they have with OSM
> is that whenever they visit the site, the map shows them just the UK.

I thought that the IP 2 geo stuff was in there to make it default to  
the country it thinks you're in?

>
> What are people's thoughts about the default zoom?
> I'm aware that sometimes it may use a cookie and so the map will open
> up to a previously viewed area - but only when logged in. At present
> the website does not have a "remember me" / persistent login - so that
> a user has to view the UK area on the map first, as a logged out user,
> before manually logging in, and thereby possibly seeing the map
> change.
>
> Do you think it makes a difference what area a user views?
> Would zooming based on IP Address be a good idea?
> How about using cookies for non-logged in users?
> How do other mapping websites do things, and are there any lessons  
> to learn?
>
> (One main difference on other sites is that their search box is much
> more prominent)
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[Ævar Arnfjörð Bjarmason]

2009/6/16 Tim Waters (chippy) :
> (One main difference on other sites is that their search box is much
> more prominent)

I don't even see more than 5 pixels at it at my resolution.

To suggest something less radical than a complete redesign of osm.org:
Could it please be moved above the SOTM advert?

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Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[Yann Coupin]

Maybe we could also leverage the new part of HTML 5 that enables  
geolocation to center the map on the user's current location. I know  
IE doesn't support it yet, but waiting for IE support of a new  
technology is pretty much like saying that you will lag years behind...

Yann

Le 16 juin 09 à 21:14, Frederik Ramm a écrit :

> Hi,
>
> Kevin Peat wrote:
>> I don't think we should drop maps completely from the front page  
>> but I think
>> we should show more of what is special about the project.
>
> That's what I was thinking. Whether "the map is the data" or not -
> Google has a map, and it is (currently) more complete and faster than
> ours, it has a better search function and aerial imagery on top of  
> that.
>
> Yes, ours has much more detail, ours is free for the taking and open  
> to
> contributors, ours has a huge community behind it and has the data for
> anyone who cares - but none of THAT is  visible at first glance.
>
> It is probably very hard to make these advantages visible at first
> glance, and we're not marketing or communications experts, but we  
> ought
> to try. This does not mean the map has to vanish from page 1 but I'd
> like to highlight the bits where we are actually better than everyone
> else, rather than just catching up.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

Kevin Peat wrote:
> I don't think we should drop maps completely from the front page but I think
> we should show more of what is special about the project. 

That's what I was thinking. Whether "the map is the data" or not - 
Google has a map, and it is (currently) more complete and faster than 
ours, it has a better search function and aerial imagery on top of that.

Yes, ours has much more detail, ours is free for the taking and open to 
contributors, ours has a huge community behind it and has the data for 
anyone who cares - but none of THAT is  visible at first glance.

It is probably very hard to make these advantages visible at first 
glance, and we're not marketing or communications experts, but we ought 
to try. This does not mean the map has to vanish from page 1 but I'd 
like to highlight the bits where we are actually better than everyone 
else, rather than just catching up.

Bye
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Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[andrzej zaborowski]

What I was thinking about for some time for experimenting on
www.openstreetmap.pl was that the subset of data would be loaded
together with the bitmap tiles in a txt or json file and objects such
as big roads or buildings highlight when you mouse over them, perhaps
after a short delay.  Particularly I wanted this in order to display
somewhere the link to the wikipedia page linked by the means of the
wikipedia= tag that is getting more popular these days, at the same
time the object's shape highlights on the map.  My idea for
implementing this would be that the txt/json files would be generated
by the renderer at the same time the tiles are generated and in a
similar directory structure of z/x/y.txt tiles, with the amount of
objects conforming to zoom level.  A single txt tile would perhaps
cover nine or sixteen bitmap tiles area as to not generate so many
http requests, and hopefully the browser would cache them like the
bitmaps.  Note that I don't know how doable this is yet, but I think
it would serve the purpose of "showing off the data" well.

2009/6/16 Tim Waters (chippy) :
> Do you think it makes a difference what area a user views?
> Would zooming based on IP Address be a good idea?
> How about using cookies for non-logged in users?
> How do other mapping websites do things, and are there any lessons to learn?
>
> (One main difference on other sites is that their search box is much
> more prominent)

And functional (i.e actually works).

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Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[Tim Waters (chippy)]

One of the main annoyances that people tell me that they have with OSM
is that whenever they visit the site, the map shows them just the UK.

What are people's thoughts about the default zoom?
I'm aware that sometimes it may use a cookie and so the map will open
up to a previously viewed area - but only when logged in. At present
the website does not have a "remember me" / persistent login - so that
a user has to view the UK area on the map first, as a logged out user,
before manually logging in, and thereby possibly seeing the map
change.

Do you think it makes a difference what area a user views?
Would zooming based on IP Address be a good idea?
How about using cookies for non-logged in users?
How do other mapping websites do things, and are there any lessons to learn?

(One main difference on other sites is that their search box is much
more prominent)

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Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: General inquiry: hand drawn maps

[Colin Marquardt]

2009/6/11 Dan Karran :
> Does anyone in the community have some good hand-drawn maps that they
> would like to share for possible inclusion in an upcoming book?

Not completely hand-drawn AFAIK, but very nice:

http://boehmwanderkarten.de/kv/is_kaus.html

(http://www.boehmwanderkarten.de/verwaltung/bildarchiv/labyrinth.gif
http://www.boehmwanderkarten.de/verwaltung/bildarchiv/labyrinth_teichwaechter.gif)

Cheers
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Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[Kevin Peat]

I don't think we should drop maps completely from the front page but I think
we should show more of what is special about the project.  The mapnik render
is a competent general purpose map but unless you zoom in to show footpaths
and the like it looks no different to gmaps.  Whereas if I'm a cyclist and I
see the the cycle map or a skier seeing openpistemap I think that would be a
lot more inspirational.

Kevin





On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:56 PM, Richard Mann <
richard.mann.westoxf...@googlemail.com> wrote:

> "We're about data" - the map IS the data. I defy anyone to illustrate more
> data in any other way.
>
> Maybe the map should try to show more of the data (render the lines narrow
> so more shows up, maybe with names appearing at only higher zooms) rather
> than the default being an all-purpose street map. But hey, like it's called
> openstreetmap, so maybe starting with a street map isn't a bad idea.
>
> I'd like the layers tab to be a sequence of pictograms always showing (a
> pedestrian, a cyclist, a bus, a car), with the plus just there for 2nd-level
> investigation. If that gave you cascade access to alternative renderings
> (slippys and one-offs) that'd be a bonus.
>
> I'd also like to be able to give a URL that had a city-name in it rather
> than a umpteen-decimal lat/lon.
>
> RIchard
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] [english 95%] Re: openmaps.org

[k...@vielevisels]

Hi,
Jonas' idea is very good!!!

after looking for information on mtbiking trails,  I found osm. But after a 
short look, i thought it would be of no use, being focused on streets and 
didn't look at it any more (for some month), until someone told me were to 
look in osm. And now: it's just what I need!
So, if you don't take some time to discover what osm can do, you probably 
won't find it. There openmaps.org could help. One thumbnail, a two sentence 
explanation and a link, perfect.
Kai
- Original Message - 
From: "Jonas Krückel" 
To: "Eric Pritchett" 
Cc: 
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 6:53 PM
Subject: [english 95%] Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org
...

> But, what came to my mind as I read the topic of your email:
> What about a site with thumbnails to the best open maps based on
> openstreetmap data out there.
... 


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Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[Michal Migurski]

On Jun 16, 2009, at 7:35 AM, Tom Chance wrote:

> On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:40:35 +0200, Simone Cortesi  
> 
>> better IMHO would be to have thumbnails of same area, different
>> design/features.
>
> I like this approach as part of the three column layout, and I would  
> use
> four thumbnails for people to get at the map:
>
> - default
> - osmarender
> - cycle
> - public transport (http://www.öpnvkarte.de)

How about something a bit more graphic, like this piece Tom Carden did  
for historical Oakland maps?
http://www.tom-carden.co.uk/flash/hello-oakland/

I agree with Richard Mann, the map *is* the data. I also agree with  
Andy Allan, multiple layers should be visible up-front in some form.  
An addition that would help round this out would be an improved  
version of the current data layer, a view that directly exposes the  
fact of raw, underlying vector data exposed for the use and  
modification of visitors.

-mik.


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Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org

[Russ Nelson]

On Jun 16, 2009, at 12:30 PM, Eric Pritchett wrote:
>
>  * There is often a misconception that OSM is a street focused
>project.  I think this would be the most important.  It's
>amazing what a name can do.

Sometimes you pick a name that has drawbacks.  But everybody knows  
what the name means, and understands the product behind it.  Take, for  
example, "Open Source".  It was chosen to be descriptive; not a good  
idea if you want to use it as a trademark.  "Free Software" has its  
own drawbacks if you want people to think about freedom rather than  
price.

I try to emphasize that OSM is about geodata SUCH AS streets, just  
like the mission statement says.

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Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org

[Peter Childs]

2009/6/16 Jonas Krückel :
> Eric Pritchett schrieb:
>> Hi Everyone,
>>
>> I recently donated openmaps.org to the Open Street Map Foundation.
>> Everyone here is doing a great job with this project and I thought you
>> could make better use of the domain.  Having said that, the foundation
>> owns the domain now and has full control on what to do with it and I
>> trust that everyone will make great use out of it.  However, I would
>> still like a discussion with everyone here on ideas on how the domain
>> could be used.  Although perhaps a big change I would suggest changing
>> the root domain from openstreetmap.org to openmaps.org.  I think in the
>> long term this would payoff.  Several advantages would include, but
>> limited to:
>>
>>       * There is often a misconception that OSM is a street focused
>>         project.  I think this would be the most important.  It's
>>         amazing what a name can do.
>>       * This would allow you to have the flexibility to do things like
>>         streets.openmaps.org or terrain.openmaps.org, etc without
>>         sounding redundant (i.e. streets.openstreetmap.org or
>>         openstreemap.org/street).
>>       * More simple, shorter domain name and easier to say and
>>         remember.
>>       * Open Maps seems broader and make more sense when standardizing
>>         things.  For example, this terrain follows the "open maps
>>         standards" rather than "open street map standards" which may
>>         leave some people (especially new people) scratching their heads
>>         wondering what "streets" have to do with a just terrain map.
>>
> I see you points here, but I don't like the idea of changing the domain
> name because the project is called openstreetmap and we would make a lot
> of confusion, if we would change the name.
> Some of your points can also be achieved by using the new domain osm.org
> (see some brainstorming about more advanced url's here:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:John07/short_links)
> If we would want to name the project correct today, we would probably
> have to call it opengeodata because it is about the data and not about maps.
>
> But, what came to my mind as I read the topic of your email:
> What about a site with thumbnails to the best open maps based on
> openstreetmap data out there. The list is growing and with such a site
> we could give new users a fast overview. I would make the design a bit
> like the new topsites view of safari, about 4x4 thumbnails. At the
> bottom we could add links to more thumbnail pages with more maps. This
> would also fit great to your domain name.
>

To tie this up with the move the map thread, Maybe we could use
different domains for different purposes, Keep openstreetmap.org to
the mapping project but openmaps.org to what you can do with the data
and a feature-full interface and getting the data used more.

Just an idea.

Peter.

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[Matt Amos]

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 5:52 PM, SteveC wrote:
> Isn't that skewed by what the import process to 0.6 defined as a
> changeset?

yes. e.g: JOSM uses a changeset for each upload, but the changeset
synthesis procedure created one for each "continuous session" without
gaps of more than an hour. also there are no empty changesets pre-0.6.

cheers,

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Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org

[Jonas Krückel]

Eric Pritchett schrieb:
> Hi Everyone,
>
> I recently donated openmaps.org to the Open Street Map Foundation.
> Everyone here is doing a great job with this project and I thought you
> could make better use of the domain.  Having said that, the foundation
> owns the domain now and has full control on what to do with it and I
> trust that everyone will make great use out of it.  However, I would
> still like a discussion with everyone here on ideas on how the domain
> could be used.  Although perhaps a big change I would suggest changing
> the root domain from openstreetmap.org to openmaps.org.  I think in the
> long term this would payoff.  Several advantages would include, but
> limited to:
>
>   * There is often a misconception that OSM is a street focused
> project.  I think this would be the most important.  It's
> amazing what a name can do.
>   * This would allow you to have the flexibility to do things like
> streets.openmaps.org or terrain.openmaps.org, etc without
> sounding redundant (i.e. streets.openstreetmap.org or
> openstreemap.org/street). 
>   * More simple, shorter domain name and easier to say and
> remember. 
>   * Open Maps seems broader and make more sense when standardizing
> things.  For example, this terrain follows the "open maps
> standards" rather than "open street map standards" which may
> leave some people (especially new people) scratching their heads
> wondering what "streets" have to do with a just terrain map.
>   
I see you points here, but I don't like the idea of changing the domain 
name because the project is called openstreetmap and we would make a lot 
of confusion, if we would change the name.
Some of your points can also be achieved by using the new domain osm.org 
(see some brainstorming about more advanced url's here: 
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:John07/short_links)
If we would want to name the project correct today, we would probably 
have to call it opengeodata because it is about the data and not about maps.

But, what came to my mind as I read the topic of your email:
What about a site with thumbnails to the best open maps based on 
openstreetmap data out there. The list is growing and with such a site 
we could give new users a fast overview. I would make the design a bit 
like the new topsites view of safari, about 4x4 thumbnails. At the 
bottom we could add links to more thumbnail pages with more maps. This 
would also fit great to your domain name.

Regards,
Jonas

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[OSM-talk] Move the Map

[Richard Mann]

 "We're about data" - the map IS the data. I defy anyone to illustrate more
data in any other way.

Maybe the map should try to show more of the data (render the lines narrow
so more shows up, maybe with names appearing at only higher zooms) rather
than the default being an all-purpose street map. But hey, like it's called
openstreetmap, so maybe starting with a street map isn't a bad idea.

I'd like the layers tab to be a sequence of pictograms always showing (a
pedestrian, a cyclist, a bus, a car), with the plus just there for 2nd-level
investigation. If that gave you cascade access to alternative renderings
(slippys and one-offs) that'd be a bonus.

I'd also like to be able to give a URL that had a city-name in it rather
than a umpteen-decimal lat/lon.

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Re: [OSM-talk] minor stats

[SteveC]

Isn't that skewed by what the import process to 0.6 defined as a  
changeset?

On 16 Jun 2009, at 07:24, Simone Cortesi wrote:

> hi,
>
> just a minor stats:
>
> it took us 4 years: from april 2005 to go from changeset 1 to
> 1.000.000 in april 2009.
>
> We are now, after only 2 months, already at changeset 1.500.000
>
> who...
>
> -S
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Re: [OSM-talk] openmaps.org

[Stefan de Konink]

Eric Pritchett wrote:
> I'm sure there are more advantages,

There is; there is no trade mark on the name :)


Stefan

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Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[SteveC]

On 16 Jun 2009, at 05:55, Simone Cortesi wrote:

> On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Frederik Ramm  
> wrote:
>
>> http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/three.jpg
>>
>> I don't find that too bad actually. But it has no map on the first  
>> page.
>> I vehemently stated that we're about data, not about slippy maps,  
>> in the
>> talk-de discussion; however we also need to show off.
>
> I tend to agree with Frederik: no prominent map, we are about data,
> geodata, map is just one of the byproducts.

Yes but you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater in removing  
the map. We should have the basics to show people what it is we do up  
front and allow them to explore and edit.

I like the bubble ideas much more.

Best

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Re: [OSM-talk] minor stats

[Joseph Booker]

On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 16:24:19 +0200
Simone Cortesi  wrote:

> hi,
> 
> just a minor stats:
> 
> it took us 4 years: from april 2005 to go from changeset 1 to
> 1.000.000 in april 2009.
> 
> We are now, after only 2 months, already at changeset 1.500.000
> 
> who...
> 
> -S

Just wondering, how much of that is potlatch creating a new changeset
when you click the 'edit' tab without changing anything? (or has that
bug been fixed?)

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[OSM-talk] openmaps.org

[Eric Pritchett]

Hi Everyone,

I recently donated openmaps.org to the Open Street Map Foundation.
Everyone here is doing a great job with this project and I thought you
could make better use of the domain.  Having said that, the foundation
owns the domain now and has full control on what to do with it and I
trust that everyone will make great use out of it.  However, I would
still like a discussion with everyone here on ideas on how the domain
could be used.  Although perhaps a big change I would suggest changing
the root domain from openstreetmap.org to openmaps.org.  I think in the
long term this would payoff.  Several advantages would include, but
limited to:

  * There is often a misconception that OSM is a street focused
project.  I think this would be the most important.  It's
amazing what a name can do.
  * This would allow you to have the flexibility to do things like
streets.openmaps.org or terrain.openmaps.org, etc without
sounding redundant (i.e. streets.openstreetmap.org or
openstreemap.org/street). 
  * More simple, shorter domain name and easier to say and
remember. 
  * Open Maps seems broader and make more sense when standardizing
things.  For example, this terrain follows the "open maps
standards" rather than "open street map standards" which may
leave some people (especially new people) scratching their heads
wondering what "streets" have to do with a just terrain map.

I'm sure there are more advantages, but I would like to be clear on a
one thing.  I do not wish to step on anyones toe!  Even though this is
my first post I figured the best way to get involved is to just dive in.
My intentions are only to try to help make OSM the best maps ever.
Hence, the donation.  Also if this is something that would ever happen I
would also suggest making the timing right.  For example, I think it
would be a good idea to make the switch with a milestone in the project
and/or a new look.  In any case, hi everyone :-) my name is Eric
Pritchett and I'm an IT Administrator from Pasadena, California, USA and
I hope to be more involved in the future.

Regards,

Eric Pritchett


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Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[Kevin Peat]

I also like the 3 column layout as it is a lot more inviting to potential
new recruits than the current page.

Map thumbnails also seem like a good idea although I would drop osmarender
as a thumbnail and replace it with a topographic hiking map or maybe a
rotating spot for the likes of cloudmade/ito to show off what can be done
with the data.

Kevin







On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:35 PM, Tom Chance  wrote:

>
>  I like this approach as part of the three column layout, and I would use
> four thumbnails for people to get at the map:
>
> - default
> - osmarender
> - cycle
> - public transport (http://www.öpnvkarte.de
> )
>
> Regards,
> Tom
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Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[Ed Loach]

> - public transport (http://www.öpnvkarte.de)

Oh. I like that. I didn't realise it covered countries outside Germany as well. 
And I didn’t know that there were bus route relations anywhere near here. 
There's an added incentive to get around to adding the two bus routes I traced 
the weekend before last.

The way it renders the roads is a bit strange when you zoom in though. Trunk 
roads don't appear until z13, though lower ranked roads seem to appear at z12 
(and it looks like primary appear at z11).

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Re: [OSM-talk] Fwd: General inquiry: hand drawn maps

[Steve Chilton]

Dan and Kris

The repository I can think off is mentioned in the original email below.

Other individuals that immediately spring to mind are:

Alfred Wainwright: http://www.wainwright.org.uk/
I can provide more details, as I have done quite a bit of research on his 
mapping. For instance he illustrated Richard Adams' Plague Dogs in first 
edition, and several other books. He was one of a small band of "autograph 
book" producers (cf Blake, Carroll, Lear - who may well have included maps).

Mark Richards: http://www.markrichards.info/
whose early guide books certainly included his hand-drawn maps (after the style 
of Wainright, who was a sort of mentor), but latterly I don't think have been

Christopher Tolkein: http://www.tolkienmaps.com/tolkienmapsstory.html
according to link above produced the original maps for his father's books

Stephen Raw: http://www.tolkienmaps.com/stephenraw.html
Part by hand, part by computer, redoing work of Christopher Tolkein

Kris: I suggest you re-post your enquiry to carto-soc and see if you pick up 
any more responses: http://www.soc.org.uk/cartosoc.htm

Cheers
STEVE
SoC Chair


-Original Message-
From: talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org [mailto:talk-boun...@openstreetmap.org] On 
Behalf Of Dan Karran
Sent: 11 June 2009 22:00
To: Talk Openstreetmap
Cc: k.harzin...@gmail.com
Subject: [OSM-talk] Fwd: General inquiry: hand drawn maps

Does anyone in the community have some good hand-drawn maps that they
would like to share for possible inclusion in an upcoming book? I have
vague recollections of a repository of these sorts of maps a while
back, but I don't remember the details.

I've shared a few sketches but none of them are particularly readable,
so I'm sure there must be better examples out there  :)


Cheers,
Dan

 Original Message 
Subject:        General inquiry: hand drawn maps
Date:   Wed, 10 Jun 2009 13:53:49 -0400
From:   Kris Harzinski 
To:     map...@listserv.uga.edu
CC:     Kris Harzinski 



I'm currently working on a book of maps that will be published by Princeton
Architectural Press and would greatly appreciate any help you can provide.

The book is based on my web project, the Hand Drawn Map Association, and
focuses on maps that people draw for one another to provide directions or
tell a story. Most of the maps in the collection are by non-professionals,
but I'm interested in framing the book in the larger context of the human
desire to record the world around us. To that end, I'm looking for some
historical or contemporary maps that are specifically sketched or drawn by
hand - not necessarily well executed manuscript maps - but maps that are
more crude, rough, gestural, etc. I'm specifically interested in maps that
are drawn by well known individuals.

Again, I would greatly appreciate any help you can provide.

Thanks,

Kris Harzinski

Hand Drawn Map Association
http://www.handmaps.org
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Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[Tom Chance]

On Tue, 16 Jun 2009 15:40:35 +0200, Simone Cortesi 
> better IMHO would be to have thumbnails of same area, different
> design/features.

I like this approach as part of the three column layout, and I would use
four thumbnails for people to get at the map:

- default
- osmarender
- cycle
- public transport (http://www.öpnvkarte.de)

Each linking through to the slippy map with that layer selected, and the
public transport tiles optionally mirrored on OSM infrastructure to ensure
it can cope.

Other points to reinforce what others have said:

- the front page should promote the unique selling points of OSM - free
data, versatility, participation, detail, coverage (not just a slippy map
that's not really as functional as Google Maps)

- features on the front page that are really unique to OSM in the map
world, and that are underplayed now: export, edit and
blogs.openstreetmap.org



Regards,
Tom

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[OSM-talk] minor stats

[Simone Cortesi]

hi,

just a minor stats:

it took us 4 years: from april 2005 to go from changeset 1 to
1.000.000 in april 2009.

We are now, after only 2 months, already at changeset 1.500.000

who...

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Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[Simone Cortesi]

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 3:04 PM, Andy Allan wrote:

>> Perhaps a compromise would be to have some links to other versions of
>> the map
> If the layer selector was exposed by default, that would have a big impact.

better IMHO would be to have thumbnails of same area, different design/features.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed features: historic center

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2009/6/16 Richard Mann :
> "City Centre" or "Town Centre" would generally refer to the commercial
> centre (or CBD).

I have no doubt that commercial activities concentrate in these zones,
but I would see it quite sadly to have the centres reduced to this
commercial activity in OSM, as they are centres in many respects
(cultural, comunity, see above, ...)

Martin

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Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed features: historic center

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2009/6/16 Richard Mann :
> CBD is what the geographers call it.

according to wikipedia in north-america it's called "downtown" and
urban planners use http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Activity_centre
(CAD central activities district) as well. I didn't know about the
latter before but I find it much better then CBD, because it doesn't
literally emphasize on "business". I also read that "core" is a term
used in English as well in this context.

This is underlined by the definition in "downtown": "usually in a
geographical, commercial, and community sense" - please note they
mention "geographical" and "community" as well. I would like to add
topological to this list, at least in older cities, that developed
"themselves" in the time rather than having been developed in a short
period (like new foundations).

cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[Andy Allan]

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 1:56 PM, brendan barrett wrote:

> Perhaps a compromise would be to have some links to other versions of
> the map

If the layer selector was exposed by default, that would have a big impact.

Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[Peter Dörrie]

> I disagree because I think, the map is the best way to show our
> potential


Well, clearly not. The potential of OSM is not that we can produce a nice
slippy map. Google did that just fine. The potential is that you can do a
lot more with the osm data, than you can with any copyrighted map-API from
one of the big guys. So if we want to show off our potential, then we should
not present our slippy map, but cool projects that have been realised with
osm data.


> (and is also used to serve access to
> online(potlatch-)editors and to export data).


As I said, it is a tool (in a very positive sense).


> Some more features
> wouldn't harm though, if inserted into the common interface without
> any cluttering (e.g. "intelligent" search, GUI for adding markers in
> permalinks, etc.).
>

I am with you here. I think those should be implemented in any case.

Greetings,

Peter


>
> Martin
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Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[brendan barrett]

I agree with Martin. It would be nice to keep the map prominent on the
home page... but add more interactivity. Permalinks with markers would
be a big advantage as it would make the map more functional without
adding too much overhead. When I want to point something out to
someone, I send the URL of the area they should view and say "take a
look at the [insert colour here] part in the middle, you'll find it
there".

I think a big first step for people becoming involved in the project
is for them to start using it in every day life.

Perhaps a compromise would be to have some links to other versions of
the map with a small thumbnail of what they look like (like the cycle
map), as well as some basic drawing ability (permalink & ruler
maybe?).

Thoughts?

Regards,
Brendan

2009/6/16 Martin Koppenhoefer :
> 2009/6/16 Peter Dörrie :
>>
>> Well, but it is an issue that the map we show off now, is not exactly
>> feature rich (plain text: is nothing to show off). So I think the discussion
>> is warranted to either add more bliing bling to the map, or give it a less
>> dominant status.
>>
>>
>> I personally prefer the second approach. The map on osm.org is mainly a
>> working tool. It is not shiny, but it has a purpose and it does itss job
>> well. So we should present it that way and give the "first row advantage" to
>> those shiny feature-laden applications that serve well to impress and
>> convince new people of OSM.
>
> I disagree because I think, the map is the best way to show our
> potential (and is also used to serve access to
> online(potlatch-)editors and to export data). Some more features
> wouldn't harm though, if inserted into the common interface without
> any cluttering (e.g. "intelligent" search, GUI for adding markers in
> permalinks, etc.).
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[Simone Cortesi]

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 7:22 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:

> http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/three.jpg
>
> I don't find that too bad actually. But it has no map on the first page.
> I vehemently stated that we're about data, not about slippy maps, in the
> talk-de discussion; however we also need to show off.

I tend to agree with Frederik: no prominent map, we are about data,
geodata, map is just one of the byproducts.

If I would redesign the main page I would rather give more emphasis to
top examples of how those data can come out of the DB, local contacts,
and a way to see that given any single area of the world a map can
come out differently (i.e. aimed at different kind of users: cycle,
auto).

Show of what you can do with CC-BY-SA data...not just slippymap.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

2009/6/16 Peter Dörrie :
>
> Well, but it is an issue that the map we show off now, is not exactly
> feature rich (plain text: is nothing to show off). So I think the discussion
> is warranted to either add more bliing bling to the map, or give it a less
> dominant status.
>
>
> I personally prefer the second approach. The map on osm.org is mainly a
> working tool. It is not shiny, but it has a purpose and it does itss job
> well. So we should present it that way and give the "first row advantage" to
> those shiny feature-laden applications that serve well to impress and
> convince new people of OSM.

I disagree because I think, the map is the best way to show our
potential (and is also used to serve access to
online(potlatch-)editors and to export data). Some more features
wouldn't harm though, if inserted into the common interface without
any cluttering (e.g. "intelligent" search, GUI for adding markers in
permalinks, etc.).

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Re: [OSM-talk] How are coastlines created?

[David Groom]

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From: 
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Sent: Monday, June 15, 2009 10:08 PM
Subject: [OSM-talk] How are coastlines created?


> 
> Hi,
> 
> I downloaded the geometry for the island of Aruba
> 
> X1--69.8126220675252
> X2--70.1181793184896
> Y1-12.6353132326461
> Y2-12.4020417764333
> 
> I had a look at it and the coastline is represented by linework. How is 
> this represented as a region element on the web maps?


http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Coastline   should answer your query

David

> 
> Thanks,
> Jerry



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Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[Peter Dörrie]

> Ah yeah, those were the days when we didn't have a reliably working
> map on the front page, so we were looking for alternatives (you can
> just make out the map image is the old linework-on-landsat version.
> But that's not an issue any more.
>

Well, but it is an issue that the map we show off now, is not exactly
feature rich (plain text: is nothing to show off). So I think the discussion
is warranted to either add more bliing bling to the map, or give it a less
dominant status.


I personally prefer the second approach. The map on osm.org is mainly a
working tool. It is not shiny, but it has a purpose and it does itss job
well. So we should present it that way and give the "first row advantage" to
those shiny feature-laden applications that serve well to impress and
convince new people of OSM.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Move the Map

[Andy Allan]

On Mon, Jun 15, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:

> http://www.remote.org/frederik/tmp/three.jpg
>
> I don't find that too bad actually. But it has no map on the first page.
> I vehemently stated that we're about data, not about slippy maps, in the
> talk-de discussion; however we also need to show off.

Ah yeah, those were the days when we didn't have a reliably working
map on the front page, so we were looking for alternatives (you can
just make out the map image is the old linework-on-landsat version.
But that's not an issue any more.

Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Removing gps-tracks

[Andy Allan]

On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 12:00 AM, Ed Loach wrote:
>> Ahh, yes I can :)
>> But how do I find the one who uploaded the tracks? And what if
>> they
>> don't reply or aren't active any more?
>
> You could perhaps use Potlatch as an editor which only shows (I
> think) a certain number of most recent traces, so the old ones would
> expire at some point. Although if it is an area with not many tracks
> this might not help either.
>
> I personally use my own tracks for editing new stuff and all tracks
> for fine tuning existing stuff. I wouldn't use other peoples tracks
> for adding new stuff unless I'd been there and knew it really
> existed.

It's a good approach.

It's also worth thinking what other parameters might be useful to
expand the GPX API - at the moment we just have a "get everything in
this area" method. Maybe things like
* Get everything tagged with "bicycle"
* Get only things less than six months old
* Let people "suppress" specific bogus GPX tracks
* Get tracks only if they are on your friends list


I'm not saying everything is a good idea, but it's worth thinking
about all the possibilities, and *then* the devs can figure out what's
possible and what might lead to privacy issues.

Cheers,
Andy

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Re: [OSM-talk] Removing gps-tracks

[Esben Damgaard]

David Paleino skrev:
> On Mon, 15 Jun 2009 19:17:10 +0200, Esben Damgaard wrote:
> 
>> David Paleino skrev:
>> But how do I find the one who uploaded the tracks?
> 
> Err...
> 
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/traces
> 
> Sample entry (the first one right now):
> 
> 20090615_W_E4schhausen.GPX   [..]
> Wäschhausen
> da Gregor Wolf in Wäschhausen
> 
> And "Gregor Wolf" is a link... :)

That is just a random track.. I want a specific, like "the one a saw in
JOSM".


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Re: [OSM-talk] Proposed features: historic center

[Richard Mann]

CBD is what the geographers call it. I think it can cover the mixed-use bit
around the central core as well, though there is a term "Outer Business
District" for the mixed-use bit (mixed residential and workshops) when that
needs to be distinguished. Alas we've often bull-dozed those areas in the
UK.

"City Centre" or "Town Centre" would generally refer to the commercial
centre (or CBD).

Richard
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 2:21 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer  wrote:

> 2009/6/15 Richard Mann :
> > I think the English "word" for it is "Central Business District". Or less
> > formally "City Centre" or "Town Centre".
>
> When I searched for the right term a also stubled open Central
> Business District but I would never apply it to a center, as I don't
> care much about Business, and the centers of european cities deserve
> more than that actually. City centres and town centres are a little
> bit more emphasized though, than "Kerngebiet", which is an exact term
> in German legislation and applies as well to densely used mixed areas
> that would not be called "city centre", because they aren't "in the
> center".
>
> Martin
>
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