Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Appli pour optimiser les déplacements de livraison?
Bonjour, Le jeudi 2 avril 2015 05:02:48 Shohreh a écrit : Merci. Je vois que c'est une appli web à partir de 50€/mois. Sinon, pour commencer, existe-t-il un moyen semi-manuel basé sur OSM qui permet facilement de parcourir une liste en 1) prenant une adresse, 2) tenter de mettre une punaise sur une carte avec validation/modification de l'utilisateur? L'idée serait de se retrouver avec une carte type Umap avec tous les points d'embarquement/livraison pour une journée donnée. Pour ça, je prendrai un fichier où je colle toutes les adresses, je l'envoies à http://adresse.data.gouv.fr/[1] , je récupère le résultat géocodé, je l'ouvre avec JOSM et le plugin todo pour valider/modifier un par un les points. Et après tu importes le résultat sur umap. Après pour tes temps de parcours, ça doit être bidouillable avec osrm et un petit script python qui va bien … -- Nicolas Dumoulin http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:NicolasDumoulin [1] http://adresse.data.gouv.fr/ ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] Isochronie velo et marche : quel type de voie OSM?
Bonjour, J'ai téléchargé la donnée vecteur Openstreetmap. A partir d'un Point d'intéret, je souhaite faire en region parisienne : A/ L'isochronie MARCHE. Extraire les zones accessibles à 1.5 kms du point d'interet. B/ L'isochronie VELO. Extraire les zones accessibles dans un rayon de 5 kms autour du Point d'interet ET dont la pente est inferieure à 25 mètres. 1/ Pour la MARCHE, pouvez vous me dire quels sont les types de voies à prendre en compte et celles à exclure( où les pietons ne peuvent pas circuler en theorie)? 2/ Pour le velo, quelles seraient le type de voie à considérer? Le type Cycleway j'imagine. Mais Les velos circulent sur d'autres voies egalement. Quelle vitesse peut on affecter? 12 km/h ? 3/ Pour extraire les pentes inferieures à 25m j'ai que le Modele Numerique de Terrain SRTM à 30 mètres; J'imagine qu'il est inexploitable car trop faible resolution. Une personne connaitrait elle un autre moyen d'extraire les pentes à cette resolution? Merci. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Isochronie-velo-et-marche-quel-type-de-voie-OSM-tp5839550.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [Talk-GB] Canal River Trust maps
Couldn't agree more with Jerry's post which shows a pragmatic and real world view (also Richard F's elsewhere). To me what this highlights is the need for a more organised and diplomatic approach to promoting OSM in the UK. Also the need for a whole host of internal housekeeping tasks. Regrds Brian On 2 April 2015 at 19:04, SK53 sk53@gmail.com wrote: It's worth considering the following; - CRT are using their own (high quality, high consistency) data. No need for OSM data. - OSM detail is highly variable, and parts of CRT's system might not be mapped at an appropriate level of detail or accuracy. - OSM tagging etc. is prone to change which would involve extra expense in tweaking the base cartography rules (see tagging discussion on lock_gates for an example which would affect canal cartography). (See also the discussion of pipeline tagging which directly affected client work of someone on this list). - OSM does not have the funds or people to offer either financial support or equivalent staff involvement which I imagine the partnership with Google involves. - OSM does not have the means to provide services and service delivery on knowable timescales and costs (for instance doing Streetview for towpaths. - There is no OSM technology which a) matches GSVs capabilities; or b) can capture 360 degree panorama images quickly. - Integration of CRTs assets into a widely used search engine and familiar software (GMaps, GSV) is likely to bring tangible benefits to CRT far faster than using OSM. CRT needs to find new sources of funding, so this is a non-trivial issue. Lamenting that CRT are not using OSM fails to recognise that OSM are not a service provider. Equally, OSM data is not consistent enough to provide a base layer for this kind of work. And finally, I imagine, this is done to fairly fixed timescales: again something which OSM introduces imponderables, aka unknowable risk factors. Some of these things can be changed, but others represent things which just are not part of OSM and are unlikely to be so in the foreseeable future. I'm proud that we can be more accurate and up-to-date than Google Maps and the Ordnance Survey, but I dont make the mistake of thinking that we are a pure substitution play. Jerry On 2 April 2015 at 17:01, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Google have the CRT helping them do streetview along the tow paths so, yes, a partnership exists. There is little point getting defensive, the better question to ask would be what does OpenStreetMap have to do so that next time you use our data rather than Google's? RichardF may have some insight into that but I'd understand if he'd rather not share his views right now. Rob ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Isochronie velo et marche : quel type de voie OSM?
Le 03/04/2015 09:24, image93 a écrit : 3/ Pour extraire les pentes inferieures à 25m j'ai que le Modele Numerique de Terrain SRTM à 30 mètres; J'imagine qu'il est inexploitable car trop faible resolution. Une personne connaitrait elle un autre moyen d'extraire les pentes à cette resolution? Hors sujet, mais tu as les liens de téléchargement pour le 1° et l'annonce de publication pour l'Europe ? (Pour l'instant, je n'ai que celles du 3°). L'autre moyen, c'est d'acheter les données à l'IGN, probablement cher… ou de récupérer les gratuites… à 250m, de mémoire… JB. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] ?
Bonjour - Mail original - De: Eric Bechet bec...@vosges.org p.ex. par des numérons inscrits sur les arbres très intéressante. - Mail original - * information=route_marker ? mais ce n'est pas forcément sur une route ou parcours * information=guidepost ? mais cela ne donne pas d'information sur les direction -- Cordialement ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Isochronie velo et marche : quel type de voie OSM?
Bonjour, Il existe déjà des outils capables de faire ça en partie et donc déjà paramétré (qui est une part non négigeable du travail). En particulier je sais que OSMR fait le vélo et l'ishochrone. Je n'en vois pas d'autres qui fassent déjà les deux. Il ne fait pas l'altitude dans le paramétrage vélo de base (mais il y a des réutilisateurs qui le font deja). rv fait le vélo et l'altitude mais pas l'isochrone je pense. http://linuxfr.org/users/jben/journaux/rv-herve-recherche-d-itineraire-velo-minimisant-l-energie-en-utilisant-les-donnees-d-osm Frédéric. Le 03/04/2015 09:24, image93 a écrit : Bonjour, J'ai téléchargé la donnée vecteur Openstreetmap. A partir d'un Point d'intéret, je souhaite faire en region parisienne : A/ L'isochronie MARCHE. Extraire les zones accessibles à 1.5 kms du point d'interet. B/ L'isochronie VELO. Extraire les zones accessibles dans un rayon de 5 kms autour du Point d'interet ET dont la pente est inferieure à 25 mètres. 1/ Pour la MARCHE, pouvez vous me dire quels sont les types de voies à prendre en compte et celles à exclure( où les pietons ne peuvent pas circuler en theorie)? 2/ Pour le velo, quelles seraient le type de voie à considérer? Le type Cycleway j'imagine. Mais Les velos circulent sur d'autres voies egalement. Quelle vitesse peut on affecter? 12 km/h ? 3/ Pour extraire les pentes inferieures à 25m j'ai que le Modele Numerique de Terrain SRTM à 30 mètres; J'imagine qu'il est inexploitable car trop faible resolution. Une personne connaitrait elle un autre moyen d'extraire les pentes à cette resolution? Merci. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Isochronie-velo-et-marche-quel-type-de-voie-OSM-tp5839550.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[Talk-it] Tangrams
Standing ovation! http://tangrams.github.io/tangram-docs-assets/?procedural/tronish.yaml#17/43.54994/10.31070 Solo una nota: il senso dell'animazione è sbagliato (va contro i sensi unici). -- *Fabrizio* ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Appli pour optimiser les déplacements de livraison?
Le 02/04/2015 14:02, Shohreh a écrit : Merci. Je vois que c'est une appli web à partir de 50€/mois. C'est du logiciel libre. Tu peux te l'installer toi me si tu veux. Sinon, pour commencer, existe-t-il un moyen semi-manuel basé sur OSM qui permet facilement de parcourir une liste en 1) prenant une adresse, 2) tenter de mettre une punaise sur une carte avec validation/modification de l'utilisateur? L'idée serait de se retrouver avec une carte type Umap avec tous les points d'embarquement/livraison pour une journée donnée. C'est moins bien qu'un truc automatisé mais après tout, c'est comme ça que fonctionnent les livreurs de pizza. Le 03/04/2015 09:14, Nicolas Dumoulin a écrit : Bonjour, Après pour tes temps de parcours, ça doit être bidouillable avec osrm et un petit script python qui va bien … OSRM fait le calcul matriciel en un seul appel à l'API. Par contre il n'y a pas d'instance vélo publique d'OSRM. Frédéric. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] ?
Le 03/04/2015 10:09, david.croc...@online.fr a écrit : Bonjour - Mail original - De: Eric Bechet bec...@vosges.org p.ex. par des numérons inscrits sur les arbres très intéressante. - Mail original - * information=route_marker ? mais ce n'est pas forcément sur une route ou parcours * information=guidepost ? mais cela ne donne pas d'information sur les direction J'entends que les parcelles elle mêmes doivent être taggées. Pas les arbres portant des numéros. Ceux ci sont généralement aux intersections entre plusieurs parcelles et le long des lignes de coupe ou des chemins. La position des numéros n'est pas perenne - les arbres sont coupés de temps en temps ! ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Isochronie velo et marche : quel type de voie OSM?
Merci, 1/ OSMR est il compliqué à utiliser? Il s'agit d'un outil web? On peut somplement visualiser les resultats ou également exporter les resultalts (geometrie et attributs)? Pensez vous qu'on puisse apprendre l'outil et générer des calculs d'isochronie rapidement avc OSMR? 2/ Concernant le MNT, désolé je ne sais pas trop. Un ancien collègue m'a dit qu'on pouvait téléchargé le SRTM 30m depuis ce lien http://www.dlr.de/caf/en/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-5515/9214_read-17716/ Je n'ai pas regardé quelle etait la zone geo couverte. Au pire on peut trouver le srtm à 90 m sur le site du cgiar. http://srtm.csi.cgiar.org/ C'est mieux que le 250 free de l'ign je pense. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Isochronie-velo-et-marche-quel-type-de-voie-OSM-tp5839550p5839577.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Isochronie velo et marche : quel type de voie OSM?
Le 03/04/2015 11:58, image93 a écrit : Merci, 1/ OSMR est il compliqué à utiliser? Il s'agit d'un outil web? On peut somplement visualiser les resultats ou également exporter les resultalts (geometrie et attributs)? Pensez vous qu'on puisse apprendre l'outil et générer des calculs d'isochronie rapidement avc OSMR? Oui c'est assez facile de mise en place (pour ce genre d'outil). dans ton cas il faut utiliser l'API et pas l'interface web. Pour l'isochrone c'est une projet complémentaire : https://github.com/mapbox/osrm-isochrone C'est du nodejs, donc l'envirenement est assez facile a mettre a place si tu connais nodejs, et sinon assez compliqué (c'est pas du troll, c'est du vécu). 2/ Concernant le MNT, désolé je ne sais pas trop. Un ancien collègue m'a dit qu'on pouvait téléchargé le SRTM 30m depuis ce lien http://www.dlr.de/caf/en/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-5515/9214_read-17716/ Je n'ai pas regardé quelle etait la zone geo couverte. Au pire on peut trouver le srtm à 90 m sur le site du cgiar. http://srtm.csi.cgiar.org/ C'est mieux que le 250 free de l'ign je pense. Par contre l'intégration des NMT va de te demander un peu de travail, vu que ce n'est pas déjà en place dans la profil de base. Mais c'est codé en Lua, c'est fait pour être accessible. Frédéric. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Isochronie velo et marche : quel type de voie OSM?
EU-DEM... MNT européen http://www.eea.europa.eu/data-and-maps/data/eu-dem 30m sur l'Europe entière, basé sur un mix SRTM et ASTER. Le 03/04/2015 11:58, image93 a écrit : Merci, 1/ OSMR est il compliqué à utiliser? Il s'agit d'un outil web? On peut somplement visualiser les resultats ou également exporter les resultalts (geometrie et attributs)? Pensez vous qu'on puisse apprendre l'outil et générer des calculs d'isochronie rapidement avc OSMR? 2/ Concernant le MNT, désolé je ne sais pas trop. Un ancien collègue m'a dit qu'on pouvait téléchargé le SRTM 30m depuis ce lien http://www.dlr.de/caf/en/desktopdefault.aspx/tabid-5515/9214_read-17716/ Je n'ai pas regardé quelle etait la zone geo couverte. Au pire on peut trouver le srtm à 90 m sur le site du cgiar. http://srtm.csi.cgiar.org/ C'est mieux que le 250 free de l'ign je pense. -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Isochronie-velo-et-marche-quel-type-de-voie-OSM-tp5839550p5839577.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk-fr] HÔPITAUX
Je suis intéressé par un bon rendu de l'hôpital de ma ville. J'ai cherché de bons exemples sur le wiki, mais, j'ai vu des rendus incomplets, même pour Paris Il y a une manière différente de tagger les routes internes, assez souvent notées service et driveway, alors que le wiki semble recommander unclassified. Ya-t'il des exemples pouvant faire référence ? Christian R. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] ?
Le 02/04/2015 19:19, Jérôme Amagat a écrit : mais oui seulement les panonceaux! Pour les départements aussi je voix juste les panonceaux qui me disent bienvenu dans notre département donc je supprime les départements sous forme surfacique et je rajoute les panneaux. pareil, pour les parc naturel, reserve... aussi alors? Tu n'en a rien a foutre des forêts communales (moi aussi,en fait) mais pourquoi ça n'aurai pas ça place dans osm au même titre que les réserves naturel par exemple? Bonjour, Je trouve l'idée de représenter les parcelles lorqu'elles sont identifiées sur le terrain p.ex. par des numérons inscrits sur les arbres très intéressante. C'est utile pour le promeneur, le cueilleur de champigons, le chasseur, sans même parler des personnes directement concernées. Alors c'est utile dans OSM. Ce sont des données publiques, et non des choses privées etc... Maintenant, la question du rendu est délicate. M'est avis que les forêts sont des zones suffisemment peu chargées en données sur le rendu standard pour que cela puisse sans problème y figurer par défaut. Mais évidemment le numéro de parcelle n'a rien à faire dans le nom... Donc il faudrait idéalement modifier les règles de rendu pour que cela figure si c'est une (ref:) Eric (aka SidneyBechet) Le 2 avril 2015 18:33, Pieren pier...@gmail.com mailto:pier...@gmail.com a écrit : Alors tagguez les pannonceaux. C'est eux que vous voyez sur le terrain, pas les limites de parcelles. Il me semble qu'il existe déjà des tags pour ça, peut-être à adapter pour ce cas particulier. Pieren ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Projects Update
On 03/04/15 13:43, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: Should everything be amenity=post_office, or would it be better to have different tags for sorting offices / distribution warehouses and also for parcel collection points? Different. In particular, if it is not open to the public, I would not consider it to be an amenity. Also, although privatised, post offices are semi-governmental institutions, whereas the rest are parts of a courier service. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Projects Update
A while back I did have a go at doing delivery offices (using amenity=delivery_office) because a) these are often in funny places and b) finding the local one which is the parcel collection point was non-trivial (so useful map feature). I started because I noticed that some places have masses of postcodes (10-100 or more) at the same location. Some are council offices or direct mail centres for companies, but most are delivery offices. Usually they are easy to tell because they have a car park full of red vehicles. Somewhere I must still have a list of candidates, if people are interested I can try and fish it out. There is something for marking collection points separately, even when at a delivery office they are usually just a small part of the overall site. Jerry On 3 April 2015 at 13:43, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 April 2015 at 10:42, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote: So, on to our next project: all things delivery-related This could be Royal Mail postboxes (still loads to do); Royal Mail delivery offices and sorting offices; delivery areas/gates to factories and town centre shopping malls; maxheights and maxweights on roads; courier depots; distribution warehouses; new internet shopping parcel lockers (see wiki entry); there's a new parcel-collection service based around mainline stations called Doddle.it; airfreight facilities; railway marshalling yards; secure lorry parks; port/dock facilities and anything else you can think of. For anyone interested in mapping Royal Mail Post Boxes, or Post Office Ltd Post Office branches, you may find the tools I run at http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postboxes/ useful. Amongst other things, these compare the current OSM data to some official lists of boxes and branches from the two organisations. Unfortunately, neither organisation has given us permission to use their data in OSM, so we can't directly add any missing objects -- but the maps you can view at http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postboxes/ will show up places that it might be beneficial to survey. While I'm here, one thing it might be good to discuss in relation to this project is how best to tag some of the different types of delivery/collection infrastructure. Should everything be amenity=post_office, or would it be better to have different tags for sorting offices / distribution warehouses and also for parcel collection points? Robert. -- Robert Whittaker ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Appli pour optimiser les déplacements de livraison?
Nicolas Dumoulin wrote Pour ça, je prendrai un fichier où je colle toutes les adresses, je l'envoies à http://adresse.data.gouv.fr/[1] , je récupère le résultat géocodé, je l'ouvre avec JOSM et le plugin todo pour valider/modifier un par un les points. Et après tu importes le résultat sur umap. Après pour tes temps de parcours, ça doit être bidouillable avec osrm et un petit script python qui va bien … Merci pour l'info. http://adresse.data.gouv.fr/api/ Après avoir récupéré la géolocalisation lat/lon en appelant l'API de data.gouv.fr, existe-t-il un outil qui 1) affiche le lieu sur une carte en 2) permettant à l'utilisateur de déplacer la punaise pour corriger/valider et 3) en affichant les nouvelles coordonnées lat/lon + copie dans clipboard afin de pouvoir les coller dans un autre logiciel? www.openstreetmap.org permet d'afficher un point en tapant une adresse mais pas de déplacer le point sur la carte ni de récupérer les coordonnées finales. Frédéric Rodrigo-2 wrote C'est du logiciel libre. Tu peux te l'installer toi me si tu veux. Merci. Y a-t-il une doc pour l'installation? https://github.com/search?q=mapotemposource=cc Frédéric Rodrigo-2 wrote OSRM fait le calcul matriciel en un seul appel à l'API. Par contre il n'y a pas d'instance vélo publique d'OSRM. Je ne connais pas le domaine : de manière générale, comment les routeurs type OSRM calculent-ils un temps de déplacement? pas d'instance vélo publique = OSRM ne calcule un parcours qu'en considérant la voiture comme véhicule (vitesse max 30 ou 50km/h + passage par certainss parcours inaccessibles en voiture)? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Appli-pour-optimiser-les-deplacements-de-livraison-tp5839459p5839598.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world
Not sure it is necessary to suggest all nonhackers and non humanitarians on this list are couch potatoes to further the argument. Osm is a place where imports happen, we have rules to stick to, we want to have educated discussions about those rules. I am tired of import bashing as an unproductive tangent on almost all import related discussions. On Friday, April 3, 2015, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 04/03/2015 02:41 AM, stevea wrote: Erring on the side of high ground safety might be a good place to plant an initial flag, but if it's location is wrong and we need to move it to a more accurate place, we must do so. Frankly - no. OSM does not depend on the inclusion of third party data sources for its quality. Taking a high ground safety approach with regards to third-party rights in data might cut us off from some third party data sources but then re-publishing these third party sources in OSM clothes doesn't do us much good anyway. If an individual is desperate to use a third party data source, let them do the due diligence on the legality of the source, but it certainly isn't us who must move our flag to make it (even) easier to swamp us with (often low quality) third-party data. It sounds like it is getting a bit shrill. I'll say it again: I wish light, not heat. I would be absolutely thrilled if more people, especially more Americans, would stop thinking about what data they could take and add to OSM, and instead grab a GPS, or their car, or their boots, or bicycle, or mobile phone, or all of that, and simply map stuff. It seems to me that in the USA, what people think about OSM is one of these two: (a) A project for hackers and couch potatoes who trawl their county web pages and other sources to look for stuff they could upload to OSM (because it's such a big country and nobody could possibly, yadda yadda yadda) (b) A project for people who roll up their sleeves, travel to places of humanitarian crises, and help those in need by creating maps where the government hasn't done their job well. The idea that you could also roll up your sleeves and map your own backyeard, village, town, or city quarter, instead of copying from official bicycle route publications, official railway brochures, or stuff that the administration has done, seems to occur to very few people, and others will say: OpenStreetMap is cool, but I don't think that actually going out and doing a survey is a good use of my time. I'm really sad that time and time again we have to fight about whether or not a specific source is permitted to be used in OSM, when we could just collect the facts ourselves and therefore be completely free of any legal implications (and also free of errors that others may have made). Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org javascript:; ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org javascript:; https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] ?
Le 2 avr. 2015 à 18:07, Jérôme Amagat jerome.ama...@gmail.com a écrit : les limites des forêts publiques et des parcelles sont présentes sur data.gouv.fr: https://www.data.gouv.fr/fr/organizations/office-national-des-forets/ Merci Jérôme pour ce lien :) Il pointe vers http://carmen.carmencarto.fr http://carmen.carmencarto.fr/ Le 3 avr. 2015 à 12:26, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit : Maintenant, la question du rendu est délicate. M'est avis que les forêts sont des zones suffisemment peu chargées en données sur le rendu standard pour que cela puisse sans problème y figurer par défaut. +1 Mais évidemment le numéro de parcelle n'a rien à faire dans le nom… +1 Donc il faudrait idéalement modifier les règles de rendu pour que cela figure si c'est une (ref:) Après observation des limites de parcelles sur la carte 1:25000 dans la zone que je connais bien, je vois deux façons possibles de cartographier ça sous OSM : Les limites de parcelles : polygone landuse=forest http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Tag:landuse=forest voir natural=wood http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural=wood en Guyane? (et pas landuse=wood http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse=wood_(Don't_use)) ref=n° de la parcelle Les layons (chemins ± utilisables) entre les parcelles : man_made=cutline http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Tag:man_made=cutline cutline=section http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made=cutline highway=path http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=path ou highway=track http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=track (à rajouter si un chemin suit le layon) Les données libérées par l’ONF correspondent directement aux parcelles. Pour les layons, il faut générer des lignes à l’intersection de 2 parcelles et aller vérifier sur le terrain si un chemin ou une piste passe par là. Pour le rendu des parcelles, on peut afficher le n° de la parcelle au zoom importants, ou le n° de chaque parcelle de part et d’autre du layon (comme pour les limites de communes). — Yves ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] ?
Bonjour - Mail original - De: Eric Bechet bec...@vosges.org La position des numéros n'est pas perenne - les arbres sont coupés de temps en temps ! - Mail original - Tout comme les bâtiments, les routes, le parcours des rivières, les piste de ski, les utilisations de surfaces au sol. Et pourtant, ce sont ces informations là que l'on ajoute tous les jours dans OSM Cordialement -- David Crochet ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Projects Update
On 03/04/15 16:04, David Woolley wrote: On 03/04/15 15:29, pmailkeey . wrote: Delivery offices are open to the public. I was thinking of sorting offices, which are not, although may be co-sited with a delivery office. Also, the actual public amenity tends to be a small cubbyhole at one corner of the building. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] ?
Le 02/04/2015 19:29, Yves Pratter a écrit : * Les limites de parcelles : o polygone landuse=forest http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Tag:landuse=forest voir natural=wood http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural=wood en Guyane? (et pas landuse=wood http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse=wood_%28Don%27t_use%29) o ref=n° de la parcelle Bof pour le landuse, il est habituellement contenu dans un polygone plus grand, et empiler les landuses, ça reste crado. Sur le forum, quelqu'un proposait/utilisait un boundary=forest, ou un truc comme ça, non documenté, mais probablement à creuser (et en plus, ça évite les merdouilles quand il y a une petite clairière dans la parcelle forestière). Et évidemment ref et pas name. * Les layons (chemins ± utilisables) entre les parcelles : o man_made=cutline http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Tag:man_made=cutline o cutline=section http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made=cutline o highway=path http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=path ou highway=track http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=track (à rajouter si un chemin suit le layon) Bof aussi d'empiler le cutline avec highway. Si c'est un cutline, c'est pas suffisamment marqué au sol pour être un path, si c'est un path, ce n'est plus un layon. Et si on veut juste trouver les linéaires de limite de parcelle, le polygone décrit plus haut permet le travail. JB. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[Talk-us] Say hello to the scholarship winners to State of the Map US 2015
Good morning! I'm excited to be able to announce the winners of scholarships to State of the Map US 2015. We had 230+ incredible OpenStreetMap contributors from across the globe apply for scholarships, and I know the selection committee had an* incredibly difficult time* narrowing it down to 30 winners. However - *30 winners! * That's* a lot of people* who will be joining us at SOTMUS in NYC who would not otherwise have been able to attend. A big thank you goes to our scholarship sponsors American Red Cross, Google, the World Bank and Mapbox, who made bringing these folks to State of the Map US possible. Thanks also to individual OpenStreetMap community members who donated to the scholarship pool to support bringing more people and perspectives to State of the Map US - I'm proud to be part of such a generous community! Here's our full blog post on scholarships - I've also listed names below if you don't feel like clicking through. http://openstreetmap.us/2015/04/scholarships/ - Nohely Alvarez - Alexandria M. Barnes - Javier Carranza - Eleanor Davis - Wendy Delva - Sriharsha Devulapalli - Katie Filbert - Carolyn Fish - Vitor George - Mara Gittleman - Juho Häppölä - Md. Ahasanul Hoque - Geoffrey Kateregga - Srinivas Kodali - Juan Ignacio Lacueva - Heather Leson - Ievgeniia Luchnykova - Zukhanye Mayekiso - Stephanie Nguyen - Kazeem Kayode Owolabi - Victor Ramirez - Frédéric Rodrigo - Destry Maria Sibley - Alsino Skowronnek - Dewi Sulistioningrum - Matt Toups - Mishka Vance - Eugene Alvin Villar - Rodolfo Wilhelmy - Rebecca Williams Thanks! Eleanor ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Jeu de données antennes de l'ANFR sur data.gouv.fr
Yeah \o/ Je m'attelle à un outil d'intégration ce we! Le Vendredi 3 avril 2015 15h22, Francescu GAROBY windu...@gmail.com a écrit : Après demande, ça a été mis à jour : Licence Ouverte / Open Licence Francescu 2015-04-03 12:19 GMT+02:00 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr: C'est ici: https://www.data.gouv.fr/fr/datasets/donnees-sur-les-installations-radioelectriques-de-plus-de-5-watts-1/ mais... License not specified :( -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Francescu ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Jeu de données antennes de l'ANFR sur data.gouv.fr
Tu ne veux pas faire ça dans Osmse plutôt qu'un n-ème outil d'intégration ? Le 03/04/2015 17:22, dHuy Pierre a écrit : Yeah \o/ Je m'attelle à un outil d'intégration ce we! Le Vendredi 3 avril 2015 15h22, Francescu GAROBY windu...@gmail.com a écrit : Après demande, ça a été mis à jour : Licence Ouverte / Open Licence Francescu 2015-04-03 12:19 GMT+02:00 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr mailto:cqu...@openstreetmap.fr: C'est ici: https://www.data.gouv.fr/fr/datasets/donnees-sur-les-installations-radioelectriques-de-plus-de-5-watts-1/ mais... License not specified :( -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Francescu ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 6:17 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: so one of the things from recent discussion that concerns me are perceptions out there about projects parallel to OSM that are designed to complement it, specifically OHM. here is an outline of the view from OHM, and i'm interesting in understanding why some treat the whole project so dismissively (note that i'm a little bit of a late comer to OHM, i've been following it with interest since it started but only just recently started contributing directly.) OHM was created because of the perceived desire to start handling historic spatial data and characterize temporal aspects of it. the whole idea is that we accept that OSM is not a good place for this data, so why not create such a place? i think the long term future of OSM will probably involve more OHM like projects to supplement OSM. my question is how will the core OSM community treat them? right now it seems very mixed. If you are asking for an opinion, then this is the kind-of thing that is a detriment to OSM. Whereas I try to use OpenSeaMap tags where I can for the limited features that sea map applies, I won't go out of my way to add data to OSH. My main concern is that OSH defuses mapping resources that are already sparse in the US. That we couldn't find a set of tags to keep the data in the main OSM database is part of the problems of OSM as a project. There's still plenty to do but OSM the project is moribund. Regards, Greg ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Projects Update
So now instead of having two versions of the name (1. according to the council and 2. according to the sign) we are to have a third version, according to OSM? I am also thinking of our conventions with regard to punctuation and abbreviations (not to mention capitalisation), which lead to mappers not copying the sign verbatim into OSM but entering some kind of normalised version. If the sign is gospel we need to stop that as well. If our rules/algorithms lead to so much discussion, maybe it is time to tighten up these rules/algorithms, such that they become as objective as possible, ideally so that anybody applying the same process would come to the same conclusion. According to the National Street Gazetteer, the official source of street names is the local authority in their Local Street Gazetteer which they have to feed into the NSG. Is this the other database to which you refer? On 2015-04-03 16:12, John Aldridge wrote: On 03/04/2015 14:59, Colin Smale wrote: Why not tag both spelling variants? They are both correct in their own frame of reference. If it differs to what is on the ground, we can use official_name=* for the name given by the local authority, warts an' all. I wouldn't have a problem with this at all, provided the official data is licensed in such a way that we can use it. As I recall, however, although the OS map is suitably licensed, it is not itself definitive, but is derived (perhaps with errors) from another database which we are not entitled to copy. I don't think there's much value in adding an os_name=* which may differ from both the ground-truth and the definitive data. Even council employees and contractors make mistakes occasionally. Should we be legitimising and propagating manifest errors by putting the errors into OSM? Because IMO they're *not* errors in OSM, whose job is to map physical reality, not to be a repository for various geographic information databases. I'm aware that not everyone shares this view. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world
Hello! While I think that (vetted, high quality) imports and armchair mapping have the ability to improve OSM, especially for things like building footprints that are hard to survey on the ground without traipsing across private property, I certainly hope that people do not view the US as *exclusively* importers and armchair mappers. My preferred way of contributing to OSM is via on the ground field work. I believe the structure for participatory mapping that OSM provides is important in part because it distributes power and allows residents to map what matters to them in their communities. How do I map, as a US resident living in the Midwest? 1) I don't drive, so I take the bus everywhere. Because I work for a community development non-profit, my travels take me all over my city and region. I will often take notes on scratch paper as I pass key intersections/assets and later (when I have time) add these items to OSM 2) I also organize mapathons in my community, providing basic instruction on mapping using Field Papers and/or GPS devices (I personally prefer paper, but a local university lets us borrow GPS devices and getting to play with tech is fun for lots of our participants). While current OSM contributors are the ones most likely to attend mapathons, I focus on finding residents of the neighborhood who may not have heard of OSM before. One mapathon I held included a home base in a storefront art gallery so that we could catch strangers walking by and give them a Field Papers atlas and basic instructions. If anyone on the list is interested in organizing a mapathon in their community, OpenStreetMap US has a mapathon weekend coming up April 11-12 with the theme The Great Outdoors. http://openstreetmap.us/2015/01/2015-mapathons/ If you need help, I'm happy to talk with you about how I organize mapathons...I'm not an expert by any means, but I've picked up a few things over time. Thanks! Eleanor On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:18 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, On 04/03/2015 02:41 AM, stevea wrote: Erring on the side of high ground safety might be a good place to plant an initial flag, but if it's location is wrong and we need to move it to a more accurate place, we must do so. Frankly - no. OSM does not depend on the inclusion of third party data sources for its quality. Taking a high ground safety approach with regards to third-party rights in data might cut us off from some third party data sources but then re-publishing these third party sources in OSM clothes doesn't do us much good anyway. If an individual is desperate to use a third party data source, let them do the due diligence on the legality of the source, but it certainly isn't us who must move our flag to make it (even) easier to swamp us with (often low quality) third-party data. It sounds like it is getting a bit shrill. I'll say it again: I wish light, not heat. I would be absolutely thrilled if more people, especially more Americans, would stop thinking about what data they could take and add to OSM, and instead grab a GPS, or their car, or their boots, or bicycle, or mobile phone, or all of that, and simply map stuff. It seems to me that in the USA, what people think about OSM is one of these two: (a) A project for hackers and couch potatoes who trawl their county web pages and other sources to look for stuff they could upload to OSM (because it's such a big country and nobody could possibly, yadda yadda yadda) (b) A project for people who roll up their sleeves, travel to places of humanitarian crises, and help those in need by creating maps where the government hasn't done their job well. The idea that you could also roll up your sleeves and map your own backyeard, village, town, or city quarter, instead of copying from official bicycle route publications, official railway brochures, or stuff that the administration has done, seems to occur to very few people, and others will say: OpenStreetMap is cool, but I don't think that actually going out and doing a survey is a good use of my time. I'm really sad that time and time again we have to fight about whether or not a specific source is permitted to be used in OSM, when we could just collect the facts ourselves and therefore be completely free of any legal implications (and also free of errors that others may have made). Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[OSM-talk-fr] Jeu de données antennes de l'ANFR sur data.gouv.fr
C'est ici: https://www.data.gouv.fr/fr/datasets/donnees-sur-les-installations-radioelectriques-de-plus-de-5-watts-1/ mais... License not specified :( -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] ?
Le 03/04/2015 08:49, Eric Bechet a écrit : Bonjour, Je trouve l'idée de représenter les parcelles lorqu'elles sont identifiées sur le terrain p.ex. par des numérons inscrits sur les arbres très intéressante. C'est utile pour le promeneur, le cueilleur de champigons, le chasseur, sans même parler des personnes directement concernées. Alors c'est utile dans OSM. Ce sont des données publiques, et non des choses privées etc... Maintenant, la question du rendu est délicate. M'est avis que les forêts sont des zones suffisemment peu chargées en données sur le rendu standard pour que cela puisse sans problème y figurer par défaut. Mais évidemment le numéro de parcelle n'a rien à faire dans le nom... Donc il faudrait idéalement modifier les règles de rendu pour que cela figure si c'est une (ref:) Ces parcelles forestières sont en effet vérifiables sur le terrain (via les panonceaux) et ne risquent pas de surcharger des données qui sont assez rares dans ces zones là. Je ne vois pas d'inconvénient à les intégrer... et à en faire un rendu. Dès qu'on est d'accord sur les tags utilisés, j'ajouterai ça sur le rendu FR. -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] HÔPITAUX
Salut, Normalement *unclassified* est utilisé pour des routes non résidentielle et d'accès public. En clair, si la route ne se trouve pas au dessus d'un *landuse=residential* c'est plus du *highway=residential* Le nom c'est soit le *landuse* qui le porte, soit un *place*, soit un autre de type polygone (way fermé) ou point dans le cas des commerces exemple: Résidence du Grand Sud ... *unclassified *sert aussi pour les interconnexions dans les carrefours, les tournes à droite, les round-points quand la route n'a pas d'importance de type 1,2 ou 3. *service=driveway* je m'en sert pour toutes les voies d'accès (au résidence, clos xxx) hors voie public (avec l'aide du cadastre) le plus souvent avec un *acces=private* et en plus elles n'ont pas de nom dans 95% des cas. *highway=service* c'est l'idéal dans ton cas. Tout ce qui nécessite normalement de caractériser un accès qui désert uniquement le lieu (car la route ne fait pas partie du domaine public) devrait être de type service, et non pas unclassified ou résidential (souvent je corrige les résidence car c'est pas du résidentielle). À compléter avec *access* *- public *pour les parties ouvertes - *designated *pour les services d'urgence et ambulances - *private* pour les voies réservés à la circulation du personnel de l'hopital En plus le rendu d'une voie *highway=unclassified* avec *access=private* c'est vraiment pas beau :-( Il y en a qui me diront que c'est pas la sémiologie qui dicte le tag mais en attendant je reste uniforme sur la ville et le rendu l'est aussi. Le 3 avril 2015 12:22, Jérôme Seigneuret jerome.seigneu...@gmail.com a écrit : Ca dépend du point de vue normalement unclassified et pour des route non résidentielle et d'accès public. Ca sert pour les interconnexion dans les carrefours, les tournes à droite, les round point quand ils ne sont pas de type 1,2 ou 3 En plus le rendu d'une voie *highway=unclassified* avec *access=private* c'est vraiment pas beau :-( Il y en a qui me diront que c'est la sémiologie qui dicte le tag mais en attendant je reste uniforme sur la ville et le rendu l'est aussi. Avec JOSM quand ce sera décidé je ferai le changement complet. En attendant... Le 3 avril 2015 11:53, Christian Rogel christian.ro...@club-internet.fr a écrit : Je suis intéressé par un bon rendu de l'hôpital de ma ville. J'ai cherché de bons exemples sur le wiki, mais, j'ai vu des rendus incomplets, même pour Paris Il y a une manière différente de tagger les routes internes, assez souvent notées service et driveway, alors que le wiki semble recommander unclassified. Ya-t'il des exemples pouvant faire référence ? Christian R. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Cordialement, Jérôme Seigneuret ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Isochronie velo et marche : quel type de voie OSM?
Bonjour, Le 03/04/2015 11:58, image93 a écrit : C'est mieux que le 250 free de l'ign je pense. T'es dur, ils offrent le 75m maintenant ! ;-) Samy ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [Talk-GB] Postbox refs
2015-04-03 19:01 GMT+01:00 John Aldridge j...@jjdash.demon.co.uk: On 03/04/2015 18:49, Rob Nickerson wrote: Hi, I've noticed recently that postbox references have started appearing with a D on the end (same ref as before just with a D added to the end). This seems to be in areas where RM have updated the collection times. Does anyone know what the D means? I'm not certain, but the ones I've noticed round here seem to be those with latest collection times very early in the day (Perhaps done along with the delivery round, rather than a separate collection round? That's conjecture, though). I hope RobW doesn't mind me quoting an email he sent me recently while we were discussing this: A bit more investigation, and asking someone who's in the know, suggests that these suffixes correspond to boxes that are being emptied by postmen on the rounds, and so have earlier collection times than normal. Royal Mail made this change for boxes with low volumes of mail where there's another box nearby with later collection times. I believe that the base box number will be unchanged, so it's just a case of a D being added to the end. I've written a bit about this at http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:amenity=post_box#Locating_postboxes_in_the_UK I've also updated my tools, so they'll ignore a D suffix if present -- and so any D boxes will still match the original number that's on Royal Mail's records. Best Dan ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Projects Update
On 3 April 2015 at 16:57, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote: Robert presumably you can give us some regular metrics along the way to see if having a quarterly project actually impacts mapping behaviour? I've got some historical progress data that I've been recording for Post Boxes and Post Offices. There are some graphs now available at a new page I've just thrown together: http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postboxes/history/ There's no automatic updating of the graphs at the moment, but I'll try to provide regular updates at least for the next quarter. Robert. -- Robert Whittaker ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] FFRandonnée 44 et l'open data
Les itinéraires peuvent figurer à condition de ne pas les nommer comme la FFRP. La description du jeu de données(http://data.loire-atlantique.fr/donnees/detail/les-grands-itineraires-de-randonnes-en-loire-atlantique/) inclut l'avertissement suivant : Les itinéraires connus sous le nom de « GR » et « GRP », balisés respectivement de marques blanc-rouge et jaune-rouge, sont des créations de la FFRandonnée. Ils sont protégés au titre du code de la propriété intellectuelle. Les marques utilisées sont déposées à l’INPI. Nul ne peut en disposer sans autorisation expresse. © FFRandonnée. Autorisation 2012. Antoine. Le 01/04/2015 10:51, Romain MEHUT a écrit : Bonjour, Le 26 mars 2015 18:51, Pieren pier...@gmail.com mailto:pier...@gmail.com a écrit : Le CG n'est pas le propriétaire de la marque. Reste à savoir s'ils ont libéré ces données avec l'accord de la FFRP (ce qui est tout à fait plausible). Si oui, alors leur utilisation est possible pour OSM. Si non, alors le CG a fait une erreur et ça ne serait pas le premier dans le mouvement opendata ! (cf les archives de cette liste). Dans ce cas, il ne faut pas importer. OSM n'a pas les moyens de se payer un avocat (alors que le CG44, si). Il ne s'agit pas d'une erreur. Le CG 44 est très engagé sur ce sujet en lien avec son Comité départemental de la Randonnée Pédestre. Donc oui, ces données peuvent figurer dans OSM! Romain ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [Talk-GB] Postbox refs
On 03/04/2015 18:49, Rob Nickerson wrote: Hi, I've noticed recently that postbox references have started appearing with a D on the end (same ref as before just with a D added to the end). This seems to be in areas where RM have updated the collection times. Does anyone know what the D means? I'm not certain, but the ones I've noticed round here seem to be those with latest collection times very early in the day (Perhaps done along with the delivery round, rather than a separate collection round? That's conjecture, though). -- Cheers, John ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-de] 1. OSM Sommercamp
Der FOSSGIS e.V. lädt zum 1. OSM Sommercamp ins Ruhrgebiet ein. Das OSM Sommercamp ist eine drei Tage Open-Air Veranstaltung für Mapper und OSM-Aktive. Inmitten des Ruhrgebiets können wir über alle Themen rund um OpenStreetMap diskutieren, an Workshops teilnehmen oder neue Tools programmieren. Es ist alles vorhanden, was du brauchst: Strom, Internet, Essen. Dein Zelt oder Camper solltest du aber mitbringen. Anmelden kannst du dich im Wiki https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/SommerCamp (und wer auf gar keinen Fall zelten will, kann (noch) ein Bett im angrenzenden Hotel belegen) Mfg Marc ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-GB] Postbox refs
Hi, I've noticed recently that postbox references have started appearing with a D on the end (same ref as before just with a D added to the end). This seems to be in areas where RM have updated the collection times. Does anyone know what the D means? Does RobW's tool allow for this D (as in does the match algorithm look for or exclude this character)? Rob ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Projects Update
On 03/04/2015 15:55, Colin Smale wrote: So now instead of having two versions of the name (1. according to the council and 2. according to the sign) we are to have a third version, according to OSM? That's not what I meant, unless I've misunderstood you. There's the definitive name according to the council, which I believe we can't use because it's copyright information (perhaps even inaccessible to the general public, I'm not sure). If it were to become available in the future I'd be quite happy for that to go in an official_name=* tag. There's what appears on road signs, which is what I think OSM should be putting in name=*. Granted this principle can cause problems in cases like the one I described earlier where those signs are inconsistent with each other, but those are fairly rare and in the end, at least in the cases I've seen, rather unimportant. There's also what appears on the Ordnance Survey OpenData maps, which might or might not match either of the first two. As I understand it we could legally copy this information into a third os_name (or ordnancesurvey_name) tag, but I don't see what that buys us. I am also thinking of our conventions with regard to punctuation and abbreviations (not to mention capitalisation), which lead to mappers not copying the sign verbatim into OSM but entering some kind of normalised version. If the sign is gospel we need to stop that as well. Pedantically I agree with you, but it's not what's done, and I don't think it's worth changing. According to the National Street Gazetteer, the official source of street names is the local authority in their Local Street Gazetteer which they have to feed into the NSG. Is this the other database to which you refer? Probably, I couldn't remember the details. -- Cheers, John ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Projects Update
On 3 April 2015 at 16:49, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 01:43:35PM +0100, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: For anyone interested in mapping Royal Mail Post Boxes, or Post Office Ltd Post Office branches, you may find the tools I run at http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postboxes/ useful. Amongst other things, This seems to be quite misleading because it requires ref keys. I looked at my local area, and found OSM had 0% coverage. Digging in further, I found that OSM had *all* of the post boxes that I checked already mapped. I had mapped many of those. I seldom include a ref key partly because I hadn't seen any point in the past, and partly because I usually take a quick geotagged photograph when mapping and the reference (to be honest, I am not quite sure I know what it is) is seldom visible or resolved. I suspect this area actually has something close to 100% coverage. This also maybe explains why a nearby mapper a while ago suggested this area hadn't been mapped fully because he had noticed missing post boxes. He couldn't identify a missing box except one which I very strongly suspect is spurious having a position in the middle of private fields with no access... Still it is useful to have the list and if and when I remember or have time I may check properly. Casting my eye down the list, I can only see one that I don't immediately recognise as something I have mapped. ael It seems the ref is only used to identify 'missing' boxes and without it, there wouldn't be any missing. Perhaps it's causing as much confusion as solving ? On 3 April 2015 at 16:49, Brad Rogers b...@fineby.me.uk wrote: On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 15:31:32 +0100 pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello pmailkeey, It's likely the right version - as without punctuation is Royal Mail preferred and it's a new street. Royal Mail don't decide the correct spelling/punctuation, the relevant Local Authority does(1). They (Royal Mail) might prefer no punctuation but I suspect that's only because their sorting machines don't cope with it very well. (1) Whether any of them pay any attention to RM preferences, IDK. Correct! All RM decides is postcodes. -- Mike. @millomweb https://sites.google.com/site/millomweb/index/introduction - For all your info on Millom and South Copeland via *the area's premier website - * *currently unavailable due to ongoing harassment of me, my family, property pets* TCs https://sites.google.com/site/pmailkeey/e-mail ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world
On 04/03/2015 02:41 AM, stevea wrote: Erring on the side of high ground safety might be a good place to plant an initial flag, but if it's location is wrong and we need to move it to a more accurate place, we must do so. And Frederik Ramm replied: Frankly - no. OSM does not depend on the inclusion of third party data sources for its quality. Taking a high ground safety approach with regards to third-party rights in data might cut us off from some third party data sources but then re-publishing these third party sources in OSM clothes doesn't do us much good anyway. Concerning the improvement of truly noisy TIGER rail data in the USA so that it becomes less noisy, correctly named infrastructure, yes, it does do us good. If we're going to have imported data (we do, here, in one case it is TIGER, and TIGER has significant errors), and if observations of facts about the world can improve these, then not only should we improve these, we should also not have proclamations that this doesn't do us much good. To be clear: cleaning up noisy data (something I strive to do, and have with much success for years) DOES do us much good. If an individual is desperate to use a third party data source, let them do the due diligence on the legality of the source, but it certainly isn't us who must move our flag to make it (even) easier to swamp us with (often low quality) third-party data. Now, wait a minute. #1: I am not desperate. These incorrect TIGER rail data have been aging for years. It is high time, no, perhaps even overdue that we correct them. #2: The data source is not third party, these are facts about the world just as a hedgerow might grow along a fence line. If my government employees publish data which confirm my corrections (and they do, so I do) that is not third party any more than the TIGER data already ARE third party (they came from the US Department of Commerce via census taking). #3: OSM-US has a legal team, and in my opinion, part of their responsibility is to make determinations about the legality of categories of data and whether it is legal to enter into OSM. This includes the vital category of facts about the world. It sounds like it is getting a bit shrill. I'll say it again: I wish light, not heat. I would be absolutely thrilled if more people, especially more Americans, would stop thinking about what data they could take and add to OSM, and instead grab a GPS, or their car, or their boots, or bicycle, or mobile phone, or all of that, and simply map stuff. Frederik, I have entered thousands of such data into OSM: I regularly hike wilderness (in my boots, with my GPS) and park trails and my mapping efforts as the fruits of having done so self-document. I don't want to deign responding further to characterizations of my mapping as either good, because I went outside and bad, because I sit in a chair. OSM needs good quality data. Period. It matters that they don't come from copyrighted sources, but beyond that, if they are good quality data (or improve low quality data to high) then it truly doesn't matter. It seems to me that in the USA, what people think about OSM is one of these two: This is vast oversimplification and I won't deign to reply, as others have and it just simply isn't true. The idea that you could also roll up your sleeves and map your own backyeard, village, town, or city quarter, instead of copying from official bicycle route publications, official railway brochures, or stuff that the administration has done, seems to occur to very few people, and others will say: OpenStreetMap is cool, but I don't think that actually going out and doing a survey is a good use of my time. I've done hundreds of such surveys, put the resulting data into OSM after editing them to the highest quality my instruments and skills allow, and have never once had them challenged like that. To hear you say that such things happen seems like fanciful imaginings. Take a look at my city and county (Santa Cruz) and the Gold Star Award at BestOfOSM we have won (one of only a handful in North America) and our county wiki page. Sure, I'm standing on many shoulders of many other OSM volunteers as I say this, but I've done yeoman work in this project, much of it from rolling up my sleeves and mapping my backyard, city and county. I, and we in the USA, are not either/or, one/or the the other. I'm almost tempted to say How dare you but it's inflammatory to do that, so I won't. I'm really sad that time and time again we have to fight about whether or not a specific source is permitted to be used in OSM, when we could just collect the facts ourselves and therefore be completely free of any legal implications (and also free of errors that others may have made). Well, I'm sad that there is so much heat and what looks like very little light, it's true. I like to think of everybody on this list as on the same team
Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 7:26 AM, Greg Morgan dr.kludge...@gmail.com wrote: On the ground, meanwhile, you'd tend to find no trespassing signs on railbanked ROWs, no? In general, no. Trespassing signs tend to appear on encroachments (where neighbours are using the railroad right of way without formal permission). But the corridors themselves tend to be completely unmaintained. The railroad companies are profit driven, and don't spend time on corridors of no current utility. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Jeu de données antennes de l'ANFR sur data.gouv.fr
C'est documenté ici : https://github.com/osm-fr/osmose-backend/blob/master/analysers/Analyser_Merge.py#L260 Et voila un exemple : https://github.com/osm-fr/osmose-backend/blob/master/analysers/analyser_merge_poste_FR.py C'est plus du paramétrage que du code Même si tu ne teste pas, je peux l'intégré une fois rédigé. Frédéric. Le 03/04/2015 18:05, dHuy Pierre a écrit : Je sais pas faire :p De toute façon, je ferais en double check comme avec le cadastre. Le Vendredi 3 avril 2015 17h28, Frédéric Rodrigo fred.rodr...@gmail.com a écrit : Tu ne veux pas faire ça dans Osmse plutôt qu'un n-ème outil d'intégration ? Le 03/04/2015 17:22, dHuy Pierre a écrit : Yeah \o/ Je m'attelle à un outil d'intégration ce we! Le Vendredi 3 avril 2015 15h22, Francescu GAROBY windu...@gmail.com mailto:windu...@gmail.com a écrit : Après demande, ça a été mis à jour : Licence Ouverte / Open Licence Francescu 2015-04-03 12:19 GMT+02:00 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr mailto:cqu...@openstreetmap.fr mailto:cqu...@openstreetmap.fr mailto:cqu...@openstreetmap.fr: C'est ici: https://www.data.gouv.fr/fr/datasets/donnees-sur-les-installations-radioelectriques-de-plus-de-5-watts-1/ mais... License not specified :( -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Francescu ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world
On 4/3/2015 8:18 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, I'm really sad that time and time again we have to fight about whether or not a specific source is permitted to be used in OSM, when we could just collect the facts ourselves and therefore be completely free of any legal implications (and also free of errors that others may have made). Bye Frederik In the US, literally billions of dollars have been spent collecting geospatial data over the past 20+ years at all levels of government. A very sizable portion of that data is free of restrictive licensing (and getting better at the state and local level every year). That's a lot of work done - millions of man hours? I think a lot of people in the US look at existing available data and say to themselves, why duplicate all that effort? It doesn't make any sense. I think its more helpful to discuss what types of features lend themselves to imports vs. not. There seems to be a strong consensus in the US that addresses and buildings are strong candidates for import. Why spend hundreds of thousands of man hours to recreate something that has already been done by local governments throughout the US? Of course, data quality and licensing has to be vetted, but it just simply does not make sense to replicate all that work. Especially since we have proven methods for importing that data without damaging existing data. Brian May aka grouper ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-us] US Government Accountability Report on GIS Data
Hello, In researching estimates of expenditures of GIS data in the US, I ran across a report [1] that some of you may find interesting. There's several bits of insight in there regarding addresses. For example, there's tables listing expendatures on address data by different federal (and a few state) agencies. The Census Bureau spent $1.4B on addresses to support the 2010 census! There's also some insights on the directions things may be going as far as opening up access to Census address info. And the USPS weighs in on their thoughts. Interesting reading if you are into that kind of stuff. Brian May aka grouper [1] GEOSPATIAL DATA: Progress Needed on Identifying Expenditures, Building and Utilizing a Data Infrastructure, and Reducing Duplicative Efforts http://www.gao.gov/assets/670/668494.pdf ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Projects Update
On 3 April 2015 at 16:49, ael law_ence@ntlworld.com wrote: On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 01:43:35PM +0100, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: For anyone interested in mapping Royal Mail Post Boxes, or Post Office Ltd Post Office branches, you may find the tools I run at http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postboxes/ useful. Amongst other things, This seems to be quite misleading because it requires ref keys. I looked at my local area, and found OSM had 0% coverage. You're right to some extent -- the progress maps at http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postboxes/progress/ do only count boxes with a ref=* key containing the right box number. (This is made clear in the text below the map on each page.) In theory you could try matching boxes based on geographic proximity as well. The other post box maps I have at http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postboxes/2/map.html attempt to do this. However, it's a bit more difficult and prone to errors because some of the Royal Mail locations are not very accurate (and some are missing altogether) and there are also difficulties when two or more boxes are located near to each other. In any case, I think it's a good thing to record the box numbers in OSM. As well as making progress tracking easier, it will also help OSM data to be linked more easily to third-party datasets. For instance, the Royal Mail list probably contains better collection times information than we have in OSM. So e.g. someone wanting to create an app to show post box information would have an easier time of combining the two sources. Robert. -- Robert Whittaker ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Projects Update
On 3 April 2015 at 17:55, John Aldridge j...@jjdash.demon.co.uk wrote: On 03/04/2015 15:55, Colin Smale wrote: According to the National Street Gazetteer, the official source of street names is the local authority in their Local Street Gazetteer which they have to feed into the NSG. Is this the other database to which you refer? Probably, I couldn't remember the details. The official source of street names, house names and numbers is the planning panel of the appropriate authority (council) for that area. During the meeting, the minutes record the meeting and say a street is agreed to be called Mystreet Close, then that is recorded in the minutes. At the following meeting, the previous meeting's minutes will be read, approved by those in attendance and signed off by the Chairman as a true record. If those signed off minutes show the new street to be called Mystereet Close then that is the street's official name. -- Mike. @millomweb https://sites.google.com/site/millomweb/index/introduction - For all your info on Millom and South Copeland via *the area's premier website - * *currently unavailable due to ongoing harassment of me, my family, property pets* TCs https://sites.google.com/site/pmailkeey/e-mail ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Projects Update
Wow! What a fantastice resource. There'll almost be no time this quarter to do anything else but postboxes. There's masses to do within just 2 miles of where I live and I thought I'd got most of them. Might be the same for others too - a great incentive to resurvey areas that might not have been touched for some time and mappers being mappers we're sure to find other stuff to improve too Robert presumably you can give us some regular metrics along the way to see if having a quarterly project actually impacts mapping behaviour? Regards Brian On 3 April 2015 at 13:43, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) robert.whittaker+...@gmail.com wrote: On 2 April 2015 at 10:42, Brian Prangle bpran...@gmail.com wrote: So, on to our next project: all things delivery-related This could be Royal Mail postboxes (still loads to do); Royal Mail delivery offices and sorting offices; delivery areas/gates to factories and town centre shopping malls; maxheights and maxweights on roads; courier depots; distribution warehouses; new internet shopping parcel lockers (see wiki entry); there's a new parcel-collection service based around mainline stations called Doddle.it; airfreight facilities; railway marshalling yards; secure lorry parks; port/dock facilities and anything else you can think of. For anyone interested in mapping Royal Mail Post Boxes, or Post Office Ltd Post Office branches, you may find the tools I run at http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postboxes/ useful. Amongst other things, these compare the current OSM data to some official lists of boxes and branches from the two organisations. Unfortunately, neither organisation has given us permission to use their data in OSM, so we can't directly add any missing objects -- but the maps you can view at http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postboxes/ will show up places that it might be beneficial to survey. While I'm here, one thing it might be good to discuss in relation to this project is how best to tag some of the different types of delivery/collection infrastructure. Should everything be amenity=post_office, or would it be better to have different tags for sorting offices / distribution warehouses and also for parcel collection points? Robert. -- Robert Whittaker ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[OSM-talk-fr] Michelin, Chemin de Saint Jacques, topo, (pas) FFRP, (pas) GR.
Hello, Pour polluer un peu le sujet, et continuer à vous raconter ma vie, je trainais dans les librairies Clermontoises aujourd'hui, et je suis tombé sur ça : http://www.michelin-boutique.com/carte-chemin-compostelle-france-carte-zoom-n161-p-1699.html En fait, il s'agit des cartes Michelin au 150 000ème découpées par étapes, avec une surimpression de la trace GPS du Chemin de Saint-Jacques, et en regard un profil altimétrique et deux-trois contact de points d'hébergement et de ravitaillement aux étapes. J'ai bien feuilleté, il n'est nulle part mentionné GR, ni FFRP. (Le seul endroit ou GR65 est noté est sur le fond de carte original de Michelin, comme sur toutes les cartes Michelin à fort zoom). Je suppose que le service juridique de Michelin n'est pas des rigolos, que pour eux, CET itinéraire n'est propriété de personne, et en ont fait leur topoguide. Chouette, hein ? JB. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] ?
Bonjour Le 03/04/2015 15:50, Eric Bechet a écrit : Moi je ne vois personne chercher les emplacements de tous les arbres qui portent ces numéros. Au minimum aux coins des parcelles, mais j'en ai jamais vu sur les côtés, (Forêt d'andaines dans l'Orne) c'est peut-être du fait de la taille des parcelles. Cordialement -- David Crochet ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world
Darrell, On 04/03/2015 08:39 PM, Darrell Fuhriman wrote: Ignore the haters, we’re doing fine. I don't know if that thing about haters is just a generic figure of speech but if you should indeed believe that I have expressed hate about anything, then you are mistaken (and I would feel a bit offended by you branding me a hater - does that then make you one too?). If I have expressed negative feelings in my message then they were pain or sadness, not hate. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09 E008°23'33 ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
[Talk-de] Totenbretter
Griaß eich, in Bayern gibt es den Brauch der Totenbretter. Im weitesten Sinne könnte man sie als Andachtstätten bezeichnen. https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totenbrett Dort wo ein Wegkreuz dabei ist, kann man ja klar Andachtsstätte mappen. Was an den anderen Plätzen? Gruß Helmut -- Helmut Kauer Bodelschwinghstraße 35 83301 Traunreut ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
[Talk-de] KZ Außenlager
Griaß eich, normaler weise zeichnet man ja nur ein, was man sieht. Bei uns in der Region kam durch eine Diplomarbeit über ein ehemaliges KZ-Außenlager eine Diskussion über den Umgang mit dieser Geschichte. Das Lager in Trostberg existiert nicht mehr. Es sind auch keine Fundamente mehr vorhanden. Zur Erinnerung, Erhalt des Wissens sollten diese Stätten aber irgendwo auffindbar sein. Bräuchte man dafür eine Geschichtskarte? Gibt es so etwas? Gruß Helmut -- Helmut Kauer Bodelschwinghstraße 35 83301 Traunreut ___ Talk-de mailing list Talk-de@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-de
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Jeu de données antennes de l'ANFR sur data.gouv.fr
J'ai un peu regardé. Il faut déjà mettre en correspondance les données du fichier avec des tag OSM. Il y a différents identifiants et différents types d'objets. Frédéric. Le 03/04/2015 17:30, Frédéric Rodrigo a écrit : Tu ne veux pas faire ça dans Osmse plutôt qu'un n-ème outil d'intégration ? Le 03/04/2015 17:22, dHuy Pierre a écrit : Yeah \o/ Je m'attelle à un outil d'intégration ce we! Le Vendredi 3 avril 2015 15h22, Francescu GAROBY windu...@gmail.com a écrit : Après demande, ça a été mis à jour : Licence Ouverte / Open Licence Francescu 2015-04-03 12:19 GMT+02:00 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr mailto:cqu...@openstreetmap.fr: C'est ici: https://www.data.gouv.fr/fr/datasets/donnees-sur-les-installations-radioelectriques-de-plus-de-5-watts-1/ mais... License not specified :( -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[OSM-talk] SotM EU plans?
Hi all, Anyone aware of plans for a SotM EU for this summer? Martijn van Exel skype: mvexel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 12:11 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Darrell, On 04/03/2015 08:39 PM, Darrell Fuhriman wrote: Ignore the haters, we’re doing fine. I don't know if that thing about haters is just a generic figure of speech but if you should indeed believe that I have expressed hate about anything, then you are mistaken (and I would feel a bit offended by you branding me a hater - does that then make you one too?). If I have expressed negative feelings in my message then they were pain or sadness, not hate. The word hater in modern American speak is often used to describe someone who is simply expressing a generally cynical or pessimistic opinion. There are many local events in the US that don't get published to this talk-us email list, nor do they get added to the event calendar on the OSM wiki. All of the OSM in person meetings that I have been able to attend have been positive experiences for me. I am in favor of making use of publicly available geodata to enhance the data that we collect on the ground. Recently, I've been deliberately incorporating exercising into my OSM efforts. I often go running for at least a mile, then walk around and capture some photos and notes on my phone, and then run home. I think it's great that if I use the RunKeeper application on my phone, then I can visit runkeeper.com to see my route overlaid on top of a map that is generated with OSM data. I recently added some trails to OSM through the woods (some of these trails were just built in summer 2014): http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/45.49406/-122.69378 Multi-modal routing based on OSM data is also used at our local public transportation agency: http://ride.trimet.org/ I've seen improvements that I have made to the road and trail network propagate to this site. http://maps.me/ is a great mobile app, which utilizes OSM data to display maps on the go without the need for an internet connection. I love seeing improvements that I have made to OSM data show up on my phone through this app. I appreciate not having to pay through the nose for mobile data usage if I want to look at a map on my phone when I travel to Canada. I also just like mapping shopping centers and viewing the rendered results on the OSM website: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/45.51448/-122.79099 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/45.53583/-122.86951 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=19/45.44305/-122.80189 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=17/42.89235/-71.32614 Peter ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world
Eleanor, I don't see a reason not to be public with my reply to you. I organize mapping parties during the warmer months (have one next week) and during the colder months, organize indoor mapping events. The indoor events tend to get less participants than the outdoor ones, which is surprising. Why do I map outdoors? To me, the importance of OSM is in two part. Firstly and most importantly to me, OSM is part of a larger group of activites that I participate in regarding the Free Software and Free Culture worlds. I see OSM as part of that larger effort that I care about. I'm not a Geo person- rather I'm someone who has a passion for providing universal access and personal empowerment, and I see OSM as one means to that end. When we think about OSM, I do think we want to consider issues of lifespan. Will OSM be necessary if we had every town or county in the US providing us full access to their data, and we had access to every business data. If we had that, at least in the US, OSM would be largely redundant. But the fact is, we don't. In the meantime, here in the US and around the world, there is a desperate need for access to high quality geographic data. I don't know if you read a blog post I made about a year ago (http://blog.emacsen.net/blog/2014/01/04/why-the-world-needs-openstreetmap/) but we can't hand off this much power to third parties, even ones who act benevolently for the moment. Instead, this needs to be in the hands of all of us- every single one of us. Mapping can be hard work. The day after a big mapping party, I sometimes need to just sit in my apartment alone. The whole experience can be exhausting. But I do it because it's important. It's important to think about these spaces as *ours*. This is why projects like the NYC Community Garden Mapping project here in NYC are important (http://blog.emacsen.net/blog/2014/12/01/nyc-blooms-with-openstreetmap/), because we can't rely just on governments or companies to tell us what our world looks like. It's great to do humanitarian mapping, and it's awesome and amazing that we have access to resources like governmental datasets and imagery, but those can't substitute for going out and doing the work of looking at our neighborhoods for ourselves. That's why I map, and that's why I organize local mapping events. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap
Brad Neuhauser writes: So, is the argument here that we should no longer delete features that no longer exist, just retag them? Is the argument that we generally should delete such features, but railways are a special case where we shouldn't? Yes, they are, because railroads went continuously from point A to point B, and they leave their mark on the world. Maybe you don't see it. Maybe I don't see it when I add a railroad=dismantled. But maybe I can USE THE MAP to do field work to find it. That's why I'm making a fuss -- because having even dismantled railroads in OSM is *useful*. It's useful to me, it's useful to railfans, it's useful to rail-trail creators, it's useful to property managers, it's useful to surveyors. I don't understand why people are so eager to delete accurate and useful data, that people have spent hours, days, weeks, months, years, and decades adding. I have pre-OSM GPS tracks from mapping old railroads that date from 2002. I've added them, painstakingly, one at a time, and joined them into the existing data as appropriate. I've been mapping railroads since before OSM was a gleam in Steve Coast's eye. If you want to know how serious abandonfans are, I've see people go looking in farmer's fields with a metal detector looking for spikes, and dig down 12 to find one. I've seen people go into a farmer's field looking for chunks of coal that fell off coal trains. I've knocked on people's doors to ask them if they know anything about the railroad in their backyard. The evidence of dismantled railroads is out there, and it should be in OSM to help people find it. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world
Greg Morgan writes: * In my case, TIGER isn't all the that bad. In some NY counties, TIGER is very good. In other places it is like Stevie Wonder was in charge of quality control. What I've heard is that the maps they were digitizing off were of MUCH lower resolution than we have available now. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world
Frederik Ramm writes: isn't us who must move our flag to make it (even) easier to swamp us with (often low quality) third-party data. You're blowing smoke in a no-smoking zone, Frederik. Looking at BNSF's system map (or calling up BNSF's public affairs office) to see what they call their subdivisions is the higest possible quality data, straight from the horse's mouth. From what you wrote below, it sounds like you would rather we go out and ask random people Hey, what does BNSF call this railroad line? You want low quality data, we can get it that way if you want, but every railroad subdivision will be called I don't know, the train tracks, the railroad, or BNSF (from the slightly more knowledgable ones), pick one. I can try it in Potsdam if you want, but it would just embarrass you further. I am happy to grant that in the usual case, you may be correct, but in this case, you're making the late April Fools joke. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk] SotM EU plans?
People say there's mainly State of the Map Scotland 2015 Unconference (SOTMS), Fri. 2nd and Sat. 3rd October 2015, held at Edinburgh University in Europe this year. Yours, Stefan 2015-04-03 23:27 GMT+02:00 Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org: Hi all, Anyone aware of plans for a SotM EU for this summer? Martijn van Exel skype: mvexel ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects
Richard Welty writes: [OHM is] a real database, using the OSM software stack. it's live, and you can pan around in it and not see much because it's pretty sparse. The problem, as I see it, is that railroads are a contiguous whole. Yet some people seem to think that a railroad should be shopped up along its length, with part of it appearing in OSM (where you can see it on the ground), and part of it appearing in OHM (where it has been bulldozed away). If the two were layers in the same database, or if they have been tagged using railway=dismantled and railway=abandoned, then it's no problem to look at them, render them, edit them, analyze them. But that's not how it works. The databases are completely separate from each other. An edit in one isn't made in the other. So let's say that I'm out doing field work with my GPS (Hi, Frederik!!), and I see that the railroad that I *thought* was distinct from the highway, actually *is* the highway. Not dismantled, it's now the road. So I have to go into OHM, delete it from there, go into OSM, and add the highway to the railroad's relation. Oh. Crap. Relations are completely broken. Relations only work within the same database. It becomes impossible to give a single referent to a railroad, even if a substantial portion of it is still visible, or even still has tracks. Look at the West Side Railroad on the east side of Syracuse. There are still tracks in Canal Street. Very well, that's in OSM tagged disused. Further down Canal Street there are no tracks. So in OHM tagged dismantled. East of Canal Street you can see the embankment, so in OSM tagged abandoned. I realize that some people just don't care about railroads. I'm 57, I know what a foamer is, I try not to be one. All I want is to be left alone with my model railroad to share with my fellow foamers. All I ask is that you not delete abandoned railroads from OSM. Please, if anybody thinks I'm being ridiculous, going overboard, suggesting a strawman that nobody actually wants, please say so. -- --my blog is athttp://blog.russnelson.com Crynwr supports open source software 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315-600-8815 Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | Sheepdog ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world
Hi everyone, Second warning. Please cool it down. We're all in this project together, and if we can't keep our conversations on the mailing list civil then we should step away from the e-mail client and go map. -Ian ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world
On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 2:32 PM, Eleanor Tutt eleanor.t...@gmail.com wrote: Side note relevant to this conversation: I would love to hear from mappers in the US who are collecting data on the ground - either by themselves or by organizing mapathons and building community. I can think of quite a few examples, but I'm interested in hearing more about how and why people contribute to the map. I am awful at documenting and sharing my own work (I'm trying to get better), and I imagine there are others like me who are mapping US towns not talking about it yet. You can write me at elea...@openstreetmap.us. :) Eleanor, This is a great question. * I use a combination of approaches. In my case, TIGER isn't all the that bad. Yes, I have done my share of TIGER fix-up. I enjoy that the names are already on the way. I just needed to straighten the roads. * I have used techniques like paper/pin and walking papers. The thing that I did not like about the paper method was how conspicuous the paper made me. * Pictures have been a great tool also. The pictures provide a great perspective during a mapping session. However, the picture taking can make you conspicuous. * My favorite application is keypad mapper2 and not version 3. The tool provides a GPS trace and .osm file. Sure I pick up a few addresses but I use the letters to mean something else. h might be hydrant during one walk. e might be one of those blue emergency lights. Search and replace in JOSM lets me turn those addr:housenumber=* tags into other features. In some cases, I don't even get the data into OSM. It is more important for me to get out and walk. What's great about keypad mapper2 is that I can walk the same area over and over again and see something new--it reduces the boredom. Keypad mapper2 is not over engineered. I can keep the walking pace up with this app verses waiting for several screens to load before I have the right tag as I have experienced with other phone based apps. Social engineering keeps a low profile. I can walk by a house and say, Isn't the weather great. The person may be left with the idea, Oh yet another one of those that can't walk and text at the same time. ;-) * I tossed the pawn shop Garmin GPS. The Garmin was great for a bunch of important roads in OSM. What I found is that GPS has accuracy issues. I expected both the cell phone and the GPS to be close when used together. But they were not. * I am so thankful for all the imports. I find things that I did not know about the world. The import data makes me want to go out and explore the world. I found an excuse to explore one of these nodes two months ago. I picked up one of those Duro bike stations. However, I was really interested in a GNIS point that was imported [1][2]. I did not know the significance of all of the dams in the metro Phoenix before I started mapping in OSM. Most of the dam POIs are easy to understand. This node was a real puzzler. They actually had to build AZ LOOP 202 over the dam. The contrast between living in a forest watershed and desert watershed has been outstanding. All the dams and storm improvements manage a watershed that has nothing to hold back the moisture. [3] I am so thankful for all choices that we have after 10 years of OSM. [1] http://www.openstreetmap.org/node/359276489/history [2] http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/328678925 [3] https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=894dat=19950209id=gScOIBAJsjid=un0DIBAJpg=1793,1166620hl=en It looks like the flood control district site is down right now. There was some more interesting information there. There is an interesting story behind the dam. The name does not mean what a modern interpretation brings. Regards, Greg ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world
Serge - Thanks for the detailed response! I think I do recall seeing your blog post in the past, but I reread it now and your concerns - especially who decides what gets shown on the map - very much resonate with me. Paul - If perception of mapping in the US isn't aligning with reality, we probably *do* need to do a better job as a chapter board of telling the full story. I see what you mean about the blog posts, though I do think your interpretation is a bit harsh. For example, the mapathon post that you characterize as an indoor event, while it does admittedly have a photo of people at computers, also makes it clear that the theme for the upcoming mapathon is the great outdoors. Eventually, most people do enter the data they collect in the field into the OSM while at a computer, and as a mapathon organizer, I don't always remember to take good action shot photos. Rather than assume no one set foot outdoors, why not assume that no one remembered to stop mapping to take a photo, because mapping outdoors is really fun? I also hope you'll keep in mind that conferences involve a lot of logistics which need to be communicated - for example, our amazing SOTM US scholarship program required two posts (to announce availability and to announce winners). While a mapathon can be a success without a blog post (though we probably *should* write more blog posts), a scholarship program will not get applicants or donors without a moderate level of publicity. Finally, to lighten things up, here is a photo of a kitten and a Field Papers atlas pre-mapathon. https://twitter.com/eleanortutt/status/583729143822450689 Thanks! Eleanor On Fri, Apr 3, 2015 at 8:27 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: Eleanor, I don't see a reason not to be public with my reply to you. I organize mapping parties during the warmer months (have one next week) and during the colder months, organize indoor mapping events. The indoor events tend to get less participants than the outdoor ones, which is surprising. Why do I map outdoors? To me, the importance of OSM is in two part. Firstly and most importantly to me, OSM is part of a larger group of activites that I participate in regarding the Free Software and Free Culture worlds. I see OSM as part of that larger effort that I care about. I'm not a Geo person- rather I'm someone who has a passion for providing universal access and personal empowerment, and I see OSM as one means to that end. When we think about OSM, I do think we want to consider issues of lifespan. Will OSM be necessary if we had every town or county in the US providing us full access to their data, and we had access to every business data. If we had that, at least in the US, OSM would be largely redundant. But the fact is, we don't. In the meantime, here in the US and around the world, there is a desperate need for access to high quality geographic data. I don't know if you read a blog post I made about a year ago ( http://blog.emacsen.net/blog/2014/01/04/why-the-world-needs-openstreetmap/ ) but we can't hand off this much power to third parties, even ones who act benevolently for the moment. Instead, this needs to be in the hands of all of us- every single one of us. Mapping can be hard work. The day after a big mapping party, I sometimes need to just sit in my apartment alone. The whole experience can be exhausting. But I do it because it's important. It's important to think about these spaces as *ours*. This is why projects like the NYC Community Garden Mapping project here in NYC are important (http://blog.emacsen.net/blog/2014/12/01/nyc-blooms-with-openstreetmap/), because we can't rely just on governments or companies to tell us what our world looks like. It's great to do humanitarian mapping, and it's awesome and amazing that we have access to resources like governmental datasets and imagery, but those can't substitute for going out and doing the work of looking at our neighborhoods for ourselves. That's why I map, and that's why I organize local mapping events. - Serge ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world
On 4/3/2015 11:19 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Perhaps we, as the U.S. chapter, play a role in creating or sustaining these false assumptions? Yes. To substantiate this, I looked at communications from the US chapter I looked through the current board term and the previous board term. In the current board term I counted 15 blog posts. The breakdown of these is 7 conference 3 indoor computer-based events 2 non-OSM geo-related projects 2 chapter administrative 1 HOT Last year, it is similar, except the conference itself was within the time collected 21 conference 10 indoor computer-based events 4 chapter administrative 1 HOT The conference blog posts tend to be primarily around the time of SOTM US. Several blog posts had a theme of government data. Twitter is primarily tweets of blog posts, but has a similar breakdown. Looking at the photos on Twitter, they are 7 indoor computer-based events 3 conference-related 1 HOT Based on this, I would have to conclude that the US chapter is supporting the view that OpenStreetMap in the US does not include people doing surveys in their local area, but is primarily conferences, government data, remote mapping, and HOT. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world
My god, this is arrogant. Crap like this is the #1 reason I’m not an OSMF member. If this is what counts as the “OSM community” – I want no part of it. d. On Apr 3, 2015, at 17:53, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote: On 4/3/2015 11:19 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Perhaps we, as the U.S. chapter, play a role in creating or sustaining these false assumptions? Yes. To substantiate this, I looked at communications from the US chapter I looked through the current board term and the previous board term. In the current board term I counted 15 blog posts. The breakdown of these is ] ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Appli pour optimiser les déplacements de livraison?
Ok pour 1 et 2 umap n'est pas adapté pour le 3, il faut le gérer dans l'appli avec leaflet et un peu de js et donc 3 et 4 ne forment qu'une seule et même chose. Le 03/04/2015 15:49, Shohreh a écrit : Voilà ce dont j'ai besoin: 1. Dans une page web, l'utilisateur tape l'adresse 2. L'appli contacte data.gouv pour récupérer les coordonnées lat/lon 3. L'appli contacte Umap (comment?) pour afficher la localisation sur une carte, avec possibilité pour l'utilisateur de déplacer la punaise pour confirmation 4. L'appli (comment?) récupére la localisation lat/lon finale et la copie dans le coupe-papier de l'ordi pour collage ailleurs. Umap permet-il de faire ça? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Appli-pour-optimiser-les-deplacements-de-livraison-tp5839459p5839608.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-ja] ＯＳＣ北海道の共催にいついてのご相談
On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 01:50:52PM +0900, robert lin wrote: こんにちは、 突然のメールで失礼します。 Clonezilla コミュニティーの林と申します。 このたび、2015OSC北海道にて、アジア地域におけるOSMキャッシュサーバ の構成＆運営状況について、セッションを設けたいと思っています。 内容的にはClonezillaとはあまり関係ないので、こちらのＯＳＭ日本コミュニティ と相談することになりますが、どなたと相談すれば宜しいか教えて頂けると幸いです。 https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-ja/2015-April/008866.html というような返事が行ってますでしょうか。 ribbon ___ Talk-ja mailing list Talk-ja@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-ja
Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Projects Update
On 03/04/2015 14:59, Colin Smale wrote: Why not tag both spelling variants? They are both correct in their own frame of reference. If it differs to what is on the ground, we can use official_name=* for the name given by the local authority, warts an' all. I wouldn't have a problem with this at all, provided the official data is licensed in such a way that we can use it. As I recall, however, although the OS map is suitably licensed, it is not itself definitive, but is derived (perhaps with errors) from another database which we are not entitled to copy. I don't think there's much value in adding an os_name=* which may differ from both the ground-truth and the definitive data. Even council employees and contractors make mistakes occasionally. Should we be legitimising and propagating manifest errors by putting the errors into OSM? Because IMO they're *not* errors in OSM, whose job is to map physical reality, not to be a repository for various geographic information databases. I'm aware that not everyone shares this view. -- Cheers, John ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Canal River Trust maps
On 03/04/15 14:38, pmailkeey . wrote: OSM's actually global, Brian. And other countries handle their area of the map with a lot more active support. All we are talking about here is UK data on the UK list. -- Lester Caine - G8HFL - Contact - http://lsces.co.uk/wiki/?page=contact L.S.Caine Electronic Services - http://lsces.co.uk EnquirySolve - http://enquirysolve.com/ Model Engineers Digital Workshop - http://medw.co.uk Rainbow Digital Media - http://rainbowdigitalmedia.co.uk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-us] Moving historic railroad ways from OSM to OpenHistoricalMap
On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 2:07 AM, Minh Nguyen m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us wrote: On 2015-03-31 00:36, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, On 03/31/2015 08:04 AM, Natfoot wrote: There is so many situations where to his naked eye on the ground he may not be able to see it. To a person like myself I can still find the signs on the earth of where the railroad once was. Then map the signs that *are*, but not the railroad which - as you correctly say - once *was*. For many rights of way, the main remaining feature is a greenway cutting across farmland -- something you can easily armchair map, even. Personally, I'd rather map that ROW as a railway=abandoned way than as a natural=wood area, just as I avoid mapping roads as areas. On the ground, meanwhile, you'd tend to find no trespassing signs on railbanked ROWs, no? https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/330316713 Yep! Mapped that back in March 2015. These are significant navigation features, if it rendered. The desert will preserve these features for years. It is also a feature that should not be moved into OSH. Perhaps copied but not moved. Regards, Greg ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Projects Update
On 3 April 2015 at 13:49, David Woolley for...@david-woolley.me.uk wrote: On 03/04/15 13:43, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: Should everything be amenity=post_office, or would it be better to have different tags for sorting offices / distribution warehouses and also for parcel collection points? Different. In particular, if it is not open to the public, I would not consider it to be an amenity. Also, although privatised, post offices are semi-governmental institutions, whereas the rest are parts of a courier service. Clearly post office is wrong unless it offers post office services. Delivery offices are open to the public. On 3 April 2015 at 14:11, SK53 sk53@gmail.com wrote: A while back I did have a go at doing delivery offices (using amenity=delivery_office) because a) these are often in funny places and b) finding the local one which is the parcel collection point was non-trivial (so useful map feature). It should be possible to trawl OSM for delivery office and find out what the current most popular labelling arrangements are. Ideally, we should look at say the top 5 five most popular and be guided by that. On 3 April 2015 at 14:41, John Aldridge j...@jjdash.demon.co.uk wrote: One road has signs saying ST. BEDE'S GARDENS (full stop and apostrophe) ST. BEDES GARDENS (just the full stop) I'll look into this. -- Cheers, John -- Mike. @millomweb https://sites.google.com/site/millomweb/index/introduction - For all your info on Millom and South Copeland via *the area's premier website - * *currently unavailable due to ongoing harassment of me, my family, property pets* TCs https://sites.google.com/site/pmailkeey/e-mail ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Projects Update
On 3 April 2015 at 14:41, John Aldridge j...@jjdash.demon.co.uk wrote: FWIW, the previous editor had used St Bedes Gardens, which seemed not unreasonable given the range of possibilities, so I left it like that and just added a not:name tag to shut the validator up. It's likely the right version - as without punctuation is Royal Mail preferred and it's a new street. -- Mike. @millomweb https://sites.google.com/site/millomweb/index/introduction - For all your info on Millom and South Copeland via *the area's premier website - * *currently unavailable due to ongoing harassment of me, my family, property pets* TCs https://sites.google.com/site/pmailkeey/e-mail ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Projects Update
On 03/04/2015 13:43, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: While I'm here, one thing it might be good to discuss in relation to this project is how best to tag some of the different types of delivery/collection infrastructure... I had a go a while ago at working out what the consensus was on this topic, and offered to write it up. After some discussion it became clear that there was no general consensus (although some people had very strong opinions), and that what was perhaps the majority opinion conflicted with the documentation on the Wiki. There also seemed little interest then in reaching a documented conclusion to the discussion, so I gave up. I do think it would be useful to document a tagging scheme on the UK guidelines page before starting this activity. -- Cheers, John ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
[Talk-cz] Kolize prekladu JOSM?
Ahoj, zjistil jsem, ze v prekladu JOSM mame v predvolbach ubytovacich zarizeni dva ruzne terminy prelozene jako horska chata. Jsou to vyrazy Chalet a Alpine Hut. Nemate nekdo nejaky dobry napad, jak to prelozit jinak, lepe? Dekuji, Dalibor ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] ?
Le 02/04/2015 19:29, Yves Pratter a écrit : Le 2 avr. 2015 à 18:07, Jérôme Amagat jerome.ama...@gmail.com mailto:jerome.ama...@gmail.com a écrit : les limites des forêts publiques et des parcelles sont présentes sur data.gouv.fr http://data.gouv.fr: https://www.data.gouv.fr/fr/organizations/office-national-des-forets/ Merci Jérôme pour ce lien :) Il pointe vers http://carmen.carmencarto.fr Le 3 avr. 2015 à 12:26, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr mailto:cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit : Maintenant, la question du rendu est délicate. M'est avis que les forêts sont des zones suffisemment peu chargées en données sur le rendu standard pour que cela puisse sans problème y figurer par défaut. +1 Mais évidemment le numéro de parcelle n'a rien à faire dans le nom… +1 Donc il faudrait idéalement modifier les règles de rendu pour que cela figure si c'est une (ref:) Après observation des limites de parcelles sur la carte 1:25000 dans la zone que je connais bien, je vois deux façons possibles de cartographier ça sous OSM : * Les limites de parcelles : o polygone landuse=forest http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Tag:landuse=forest voir natural=wood http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:natural=wood en Guyane? (et pas landuse=wood http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse=wood_(Don't_use)) o ref=n° de la parcelle * Les layons (chemins ± utilisables) entre les parcelles : o man_made=cutline http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:Tag:man_made=cutline o cutline=section http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made=cutline o highway=path http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=path ou highway=track http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway=track (à rajouter si un chemin suit le layon) Les données libérées par l’ONF correspondent directement aux parcelles. Pour les layons, il faut générer des lignes à l’intersection de 2 parcelles et aller vérifier sur le terrain si un chemin ou une piste passe par là. Pour le rendu des parcelles, on peut afficher le n° de la parcelle au zoom importants, ou le n° de chaque parcelle de part et d’autre du layon (comme pour les limites de communes). Oui, c'est proche du travail effectué autour de Gerardmer qui n'est pas mal du tout (pas moi qui ait fait...) et il faudra juste modifier le ref = et virer le nom. Je crois qu'il faudrait également indiquer systématiquement un tag is_in car les numéros sont uniques seulement à l'intérieur d'une commune (à vérifier, mais il me semble que c'est ça)... Eric — Yves ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
[Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects
so one of the things from recent discussion that concerns me are perceptions out there about projects parallel to OSM that are designed to complement it, specifically OHM. here is an outline of the view from OHM, and i'm interesting in understanding why some treat the whole project so dismissively (note that i'm a little bit of a late comer to OHM, i've been following it with interest since it started but only just recently started contributing directly.) OHM was created because of the perceived desire to start handling historic spatial data and characterize temporal aspects of it. the whole idea is that we accept that OSM is not a good place for this data, so why not create such a place? it's a real database, using the OSM software stack. it's live, and you can pan around in it and not see much because it's pretty sparse. but you can go see historic building footprints and addresses in lower manhattan right now. in fact, we just set up a list of projects that are going on in OHM to make it easier for folks to see what's up: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Open_Historical_Map/Projects the short summary is 1.it's real and operational 2.there's stuff in it 3.if you know OSM tools, you can join the party 4.we just set up overpass for it, still tweaking it, but overlaying interesting OHM data on OSM basemaps just got a bit easier a number of OHM oriented talk proposals were submitted for SOTM US, and some will probably make the program. i think the long term future of OSM will probably involve more OHM like projects to supplement OSM. my question is how will the core OSM community treat them? right now it seems very mixed. richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Jeu de données antennes de l'ANFR sur data.gouv.fr
Après demande, ça a été mis à jour : Licence Ouverte / Open Licence Francescu 2015-04-03 12:19 GMT+02:00 Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr: C'est ici: https://www.data.gouv.fr/fr/datasets/donnees-sur-les-installations-radioelectriques-de-plus-de-5-watts-1/ mais... License not specified :( -- Christian Quest - OpenStreetMap France ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr -- Francescu ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Appli pour optimiser les déplacements de livraison?
je dirai umap.openstreetmap.fr Le 03/04/2015 15:00, Shohreh a écrit : http://adresse.data.gouv.fr/api/ Après avoir récupéré la géolocalisation lat/lon en appelant l'API de data.gouv.fr, existe-t-il un outil qui 1) affiche le lieu sur une carte en 2) import des données qui viennent de http://adresse.data.gouv.fr/api/ permettant à l'utilisateur de déplacer la punaise pour corriger/valider c'est possible :) et 3) en affichant les nouvelles coordonnées lat/lon + copie dans clipboard afin de pouvoir les coller dans un autre logiciel? possibilité d'exporter le résultat en plusieurs formats (geojson, kml et gpx) Je ne sais pas si cela répond ? bonne journée -- Vincent Bergeot ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] ?
Le 03/04/2015 15:14, david.croc...@online.fr a écrit : Bonjour - Mail original - De: Eric Bechet bec...@vosges.org La position des numéros n'est pas perenne - les arbres sont coupés de temps en temps ! - Mail original - Tout comme les bâtiments, les routes, le parcours des rivières, les piste de ski, les utilisations de surfaces au sol. Et pourtant, ce sont ces informations là que l'on ajoute tous les jours dans OSM Certes. Moi je ne vois personne chercher les emplacements de tous les arbres qui portent ces numéros. Il y en a probablement des milliers pour chaque forêt domaniale, et ils ne sont répertoriés nulle part. C'est un travail de dingue. Et alors l'information obtenue - sous forme de confettis - n'est pas vraiment utilisable. Franchement, je n'appelle pas ça faire une carte ! Cordialement ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Appli pour optimiser les déplacements de livraison?
Voilà ce dont j'ai besoin: 1. Dans une page web, l'utilisateur tape l'adresse 2. L'appli contacte data.gouv pour récupérer les coordonnées lat/lon 3. L'appli contacte Umap (comment?) pour afficher la localisation sur une carte, avec possibilité pour l'utilisateur de déplacer la punaise pour confirmation 4. L'appli (comment?) récupére la localisation lat/lon finale et la copie dans le coupe-papier de l'ordi pour collage ailleurs. Umap permet-il de faire ça? -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Appli-pour-optimiser-les-deplacements-de-livraison-tp5839459p5839608.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Projects Update
Why not tag both spelling variants? They are both correct in their own frame of reference. If it differs to what is on the ground, we can use official_name=* for the name given by the local authority, warts an' all. Even council employees and contractors make mistakes occasionally. Should we be legitimising and propagating manifest errors by putting the errors into OSM? On 2015-04-03 15:41, John Aldridge wrote: On 02/04/2015 10:42, Brian Prangle wrote: Our first attempt at a quarterly project has just finished, where fixing road names was the target. This may entertain you... This email reminded me that I'd meant to check out one or two more mismatches round here, so went out this morning to finish the ones I hadn't got round to (mostly apostrophe issues). I completely agree with the consensus that we should be tagging the name which appears on the ground, not some official name, but sometimes the people putting up signs don't help :) One road has signs saying ST. BEDE'S GARDENS (full stop and apostrophe) ST. BEDES GARDENS (just the full stop) on opposite sides of the road, about 10 yards apart. Just down the road is another sign for ST BEDES CRESCENT which notes... Leading to ST BEDES GARDENS (neither full stop nor apostrophe) FWIW, the previous editor had used St Bedes Gardens, which seemed not unreasonable given the range of possibilities, so I left it like that and just added a not:name tag to shut the validator up. ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-cz] WeeklyOSM CZ 244
Ahoj všem, vydání Weekly OSM 244 zůstalo tentokrát JEN na tom.k, protože jsem měl (a mám) jiné povinnosti a časové těžkosti. Pokud se Vám projekt překladů líbí (myslíte si např. stejně jako my, že pomůže přiblížit OSM témata širší veřejnosti a přivést mezi OSM autory další lidi), pak prosím: 1) nabídněte svůj čas a své schopnosti pro překlad a proofreading 2) dtto pro tvorbu subkapitoly týdeníku věnované české OSM scéně 3) sdílejte informace o vydávání týdeníku - promujeme každé vydání zde na Talk-cz, na Twitteru, FCB i G+ ! Díky za jakoukoliv pomoc nebo podporu. A tom.k obrovský dík za to, že to tentokrát uhroutil celé sám (pro představu - aby to bylo pěkné a dávalo to smysl, mluvíme ca o 4-5 člověkohodinách práce!) vop -- Původní zpráva -- Od: TK tomas.kaspa...@gmail.com Komu: OpenStreetMap Czech Republic talk-cz@openstreetmap.org Datum: 2. 4. 2015 21:01:42 Předmět: [Talk-cz] WeeklyOSM CZ 244 Ahoj, je dostupne vydani 244 tydeniku weeklyOSM: http://www.weeklyosm.eu/cz/archives/3112 Víte, jak tagovat minové pole? A proč Mapillary rozpoznává dopravní značky na fotkách? Nebo jak přesná je vaše GPSka v porovnání s ostatními? Pekne pocteni... ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz;___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
[Talk-GB] Actual names
On 3 April 2015 at 14:41, John Aldridge j...@jjdash.demon.co.uk wrote:
On 02/04/2015 10:42, Brian Prangle wrote:
Our first attempt at a quarterly project has just finished, where fixing
road names was the target.
This may entertain you...
This email reminded me that I'd meant to check out one or two more
mismatches round here, so went out this morning to finish the ones I hadn't
got round to (mostly apostrophe issues).
I completely agree with the consensus that we should be tagging the name
which appears on the ground, not some official name, but sometimes the
people putting up signs don't help :)
One road has signs saying
ST. BEDE'S GARDENS (full stop and apostrophe)
ST. BEDES GARDENS (just the full stop)
on opposite sides of the road, about 10 yards apart. Just down the road is
another sign for ST BEDES CRESCENT which notes...
Leading to ST BEDES GARDENS (neither full stop nor apostrophe)
FWIW, the previous editor had used St Bedes Gardens, which seemed not
unreasonable given the range of possibilities, so I left it like that and
just added a not:name tag to shut the validator up.
We'll find a lot of issues like that.
Using the name 'on the ground' is logical (as is labelling roads as per the
road on the ground, not the road in the Government's head) but that brings
up another issue. OSM is found globally, not just in the one location where
the road sign(s) is/are. So would it not be better to use the name found
most commonly on the web for that road ?
Ham and Egg Terrace
Dumbell(')s Row
Dumbells Terrace
Mines Road.
Four names, 1 place.
Pick one.
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Re: [Talk-us] Facts about the world
On Apr 3, 2015, at 5:18 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: . . . It seems to me that in the USA, what people think about OSM is one of these two: (a) A project for hackers and couch potatoes who trawl their county web pages and other sources to look for stuff they could upload to OSM (because it's such a big country and nobody could possibly, yadda yadda yadda) (b) A project for people who roll up their sleeves, travel to places of humanitarian crises, and help those in need by creating maps where the government hasn't done their job well. The idea that you could also roll up your sleeves and map your own backyeard, village, town, or city quarter, instead of copying from official bicycle route publications, official railway brochures, or stuff that the administration has done, seems to occur to very few people, and others will say: OpenStreetMap is cool, but I don't think that actually going out and doing a survey is a good use of my time. I'm really sad that time and time again we have to fight about whether or not a specific source is permitted to be used in OSM, when we could just collect the facts ourselves and therefore be completely free of any legal implications (and also free of errors that others may have made). I spent pretty much every day of the first 6 or 8 months of my retirement walking all the public and some of the private roads in my area collecting GPS traces, confirming street names and recording addresses. Once back a home I used Bing imagery to put in most of the building outlines in the areas I walked. Basically a full time job for 1/2 a year. But that was only a fraction of the small city I live in and even smaller fraction of the county I live in. When I visit somewhere I will also walk at least a few roads collecting addresses and confirming street names. I have probably walked 50 miles of roads near where some close relatives live over the last couple of years. So I really take offense to your characterization of the OSM mappers in the USA falling into two categories neither of which “roll up your sleeves and map your own backyard, village, town or city quarter”. But I’ve come to realize that I can’t map my entire city, much less county and state in my lifetime. And I am not great at recruiting new mappers. It appears that the GIS department of the county has good address data, at least as good as what I’ve collected walking, that by law should be public domain. Once I confirm that, why shouldn’t I do a careful import so it be available to everyone who uses OSM? Cheers, Tod smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Appli pour optimiser les déplacements de livraison?
Merci pour l'info. La combinaison data.gouv et Leaflet a en effet l'air de résoudre le problème: http://leafletjs.com/examples/quick-start.html -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/Appli-pour-optimiser-les-deplacements-de-livraison-tp5839459p5839637.html Sent from the France mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ Talk-fr mailing list Talk-fr@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-fr
Re: [Talk-cz] Kolize prekladu JOSM?
Dne 3.4.2015 v 15:44 Dalibor Jelínek napsal(a): Ahoj, zjistil jsem, ze v prekladu JOSM mame v predvolbach ubytovacich zarizeni dva ruzne terminy prelozene jako “horska chata”. Jsou to vyrazy Chalet a Alpine Hut. Nemate nekdo nejaky dobry napad, jak to prelozit jinak, lepe? Cus, podle http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dchalet to ma asi nejbliz k chalupe. Tzn jezdis se tam rekreovat, treba se i pronajima ... Dekuji, Dalibor ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz ___ Talk-cz mailing list Talk-cz@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
Re: [Talk-us] perceptions of OHM and other similar projects
On 4/3/15 10:40 AM, Greg Morgan wrote: If you are asking for an opinion, then this is the kind-of thing that is a detriment to OSM. Whereas I try to use OpenSeaMap tags where I can for the limited features that sea map applies, I won't go out of my way to add data to OSH. My main concern is that OSH defuses mapping resources that are already sparse in the US. That we couldn't find a set of tags to keep the data in the main OSM database is part of the problems of OSM as a project. There's still plenty to do but OSM the project is moribund. umm, by OSH do you mean OHM? i'll reply as if you did. basically, the folks contributing to OHM are largely OSMers who want to do historical mapping. the current consensus in OSM appears to be that historical data doesn't belong in OSM (there are OSM participants who disagree, but they seem to be in the minority). so if we want to map history we need another place to do it. as for defusing mapping resources, are you telling us that we shouldn't do OHM because you think we should work on OSM? because this is a volunteer project after all... richard -- rwe...@averillpark.net Averill Park Networking - GIS IT Consulting OpenStreetMap - PostgreSQL - Linux Java - Web Applications - Search signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us
Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Projects Update
On Fri, Apr 03, 2015 at 01:43:35PM +0100, Robert Whittaker (OSM lists) wrote: For anyone interested in mapping Royal Mail Post Boxes, or Post Office Ltd Post Office branches, you may find the tools I run at http://robert.mathmos.net/osm/postboxes/ useful. Amongst other things, This seems to be quite misleading because it requires ref keys. I looked at my local area, and found OSM had 0% coverage. Digging in further, I found that OSM had *all* of the post boxes that I checked already mapped. I had mapped many of those. I seldom include a ref key partly because I hadn't seen any point in the past, and partly because I usually take a quick geotagged photograph when mapping and the reference (to be honest, I am not quite sure I know what it is) is seldom visible or resolved. I suspect this area actually has something close to 100% coverage. This also maybe explains why a nearby mapper a while ago suggested this area hadn't been mapped fully because he had noticed missing post boxes. He couldn't identify a missing box except one which I very strongly suspect is spurious having a position in the middle of private fields with no access... Still it is useful to have the list and if and when I remember or have time I may check properly. Casting my eye down the list, I can only see one that I don't immediately recognise as something I have mapped. ael ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-GB] Quarterly Projects Update
On Fri, 3 Apr 2015 15:31:32 +0100 pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello pmailkeey, It's likely the right version - as without punctuation is Royal Mail preferred and it's a new street. Royal Mail don't decide the correct spelling/punctuation, the relevant Local Authority does(1). They (Royal Mail) might prefer no punctuation but I suspect that's only because their sorting machines don't cope with it very well. (1) Whether any of them pay any attention to RM preferences, IDK. -- Regards _ / ) The blindingly obvious is / _)radnever immediately apparent Just stop and take a second U Ur Hand - P!nk ___ Talk-GB mailing list Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-gb
Re: [Talk-se] Ursäkta...
Finemang, då kan jag sätta igång med redigeringarna igen. =) /Tobias fre 2015-04-03 klockan 17:42 +0200 skrev Joakim Fors joa...@fo.rs: On 03 Apr 2015, at 16:48, Tobias tobias.messa...@gmail.com wrote: Först ville jag bara be om ursäkt för den lilla röran jag ställde till med för 4-5 dagar sen angående stamnätet/europavägar. Sen vill jag bara få bekräftat om jag har förstått de vedertagna reglerna angående oklassade, tertiära och sekundär vägar eftersom det står att det fortfarande diskuteras om den saken. Inga problem, skulle vara så tråkigt på mailinglistan om det inte skedde något speciellt ibland. ;) Utanför tätort Alla länsvägar från grusvägar till primära vägar har en referens, ex (F 834, G 902, 127) och länsvägar har som lägst highway=teritary. De vägar som saknar referens markeras som oklassificerade (bilvägar). Mer eller mindre. Pga avsaknaden av referensnummer så skall en oklassificerad väg inte klassas upp till tertiär även om de i praktiken håller samma vägstandard som en länsväg markerad tertiär. Men en tertiär länsväg kan klassas upp till en sekundär väg om de håller en högre standard året runt och utgör en viktig anslutning mellan större vägar och/eller tätorter. Är detta en korrekt tolkning? Mjo, dock skulle jag nog kunna klassa enskilda vägar som håller god standard som highway=tertiary också. Kan vara bra att ta sig en fundera innan man gör det för att se om det lämpar sig m.a.p övriga vägnätet i trakten. Det är lätt att det går inflation på vägklasser. :) /Joakim ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se ___ Talk-se mailing list Talk-se@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-se
