Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Congratulations Stephen on 4, 021 townlands mapped !!

2015-05-15 Thread Stephen Roulston
We are tantalisingly close to hitting 50% for the whole island, which is an 
incredible community effort in such a short time. 

Sent from my iPhone

 On 14 May 2015, at 23:10, Dave Corley davecor...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Wow, and I thought I was doing great coming up to 1,000 lol
 
 Nice work Stephen and others.
 On 14 May 2015 23:07, Killyfole and District Development Association 
 webmas...@killyfole.org.uk wrote:
 
 Hi folks,
 
 Just wanted to congratulate Stephen_Co_Antrim on hitting the 4,000+
 townlands mark, that’s quite the achievement!  Well done and keep her lit!
 
 http://www.townlands.ie/mappers/
 
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[Talk-GB] Issue with Changeset

2015-05-15 Thread Jason Woollacott
Looks like there has been an issue with  changeset 30821940  Which seems to 
have added the A30 through the whole of Cornwall on an incorrect route.   

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/30821940

Didn’t want to back this change out myself, as not sure what else it changed.

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Re: [Talk-it] OSM ha abbandonato l'indoor?

2015-05-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-05-15 11:09 GMT+02:00 Aury88 spacedrive...@gmail.com:

 L'italia era messa abbastanza bene, con i suoi 11 edifici mappati,




questo avevi conteggiato?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.85054mlon=12.48412#map=19/41.85054/12.48412
;-)

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Re: [Talk-at] Kleingartenvereine

2015-05-15 Thread Tobias Knerr
Am 14.05.2015 17:46, schrieb Wolfgang Schreiter:
 Dazu gibt es noch mehrere Beispiele, z.B. FF (Freiwillige Feuerwehr), VS
 (Volksschule), HS (Hauptschule). Es stellt sich grundsätzlich die Frage, ob
 solche Abkürzungen in Namen verwendet werden sollten.

Die Frage wird generell beantwortet mit: Nein, Abkürzungen in Namen
sollten vermieden werden. Steht jedenfalls seit langem so im Wiki.

Nun kann man bei extrem gängigen Abkürzungen noch über die
Sinnhaftigkeit streiten (z.B. Dr vs. Doktor), aber bei den hier
diskutierten Beispielen würde ich mich klar an die Regel halten.

Es ist generell für Software wesentlich einfacher einen Begriff
abzukürzen als den Begriff aus einer Abkürzung zu rekonstruieren. HS
beispielsweise wird ja auch für Hochschule, High School und Haltestelle
verwendet.

Ich wäre daher für die Verwendung der ausgeschriebenen Form, plus
short_name mit der Abkürzung. Damit ist dann auch die Suche nach dem
ausgeschriebenen Kleingartenverein erfolgreich, was momentan nicht der
Fall ist.

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[Talk-it-trentino] mancata attribuzione

2015-05-15 Thread Michele Malfatti
Ciao ecco il link alla terlago enduro mtb con mappa osm e mancata
attribuzione

http://www.mountaingardabike.com/eventi/dettaglio/68?utm_source=dlvr.itutm_medium=facebook
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Besoin d'aide pour cartographier les lignes à haute tension au Népal

2015-05-15 Thread Jean-Claude Repetto
Le 15/05/2015 09:37, Jean-Baptiste Holcroft a écrit :
 J'avais mis quelques pôles, mais j'ai arrêté car il pouvait y avoir plus
 de 500m entre deux pôles, je me suis dit que c'était impossible, si
 quelqu'un pouvait nous éclairer y un peu sur les distances probables
 entre deux pôles ça serait utile.


Des pôles ? Ils utilisent du courant continu, au Népal :) ?

Plus sérieusement, attention aux traductions hasardeuses :
pole - poteau, et non pôle
tower - pylône, et non tour
tile - dalle et non tuile





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[OSM-talk-ie] Sheet request 17/25 SE

2015-05-15 Thread Gary Sturgeon
Hi,

Can I request the following sheet:

17/25 SE

first time attempting this so I may need some help!

Cheers,

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Re: [Talk-GB] Issue with Changeset

2015-05-15 Thread Paul Sladen
On Fri, 15 May 2015, Jason Woollacott wrote:
 Looks like there has been an issue with changeset 30821940 Which
 seems to have added the A30 through the whole of Cornwall
 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/30821940

Could you describe in slightly more detail /what/ is probably
wrong/broken.  I've skimmed the route, comparing it to other
providers:

  
http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/#14/50.6104/-4.4456num=4mt0=geofabrikmt1=google-mapmt2=bing-mapmt3=nokia-map

and (positionally) there would appear to be reasonable consistency.  
Is it new nodes, or a meta-data issue (eg. swapped with A39); or
something else?

  Caveat emptor: I'm not a local.

-Paul




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Re: [Talk-GB] HOT in the UK

2015-05-15 Thread SK53
Hi Paul,

The closest to a formal organisation is the Missing Maps
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Missing_Maps_Project project which has
regular evening sessions in London. Several regular OSM contributors are
formal members
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Members of HOT
(Harry Wood, Nick Allen (tallguy) and Tim Waters (chippy) come to mind),
and others often help out at Missing Maps sessions. I would suggest perhaps
getting directly in contact with Nick
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Tallguyas he has put considerable
efforts into training and co-ordination.

In practice there is much which can be done from any computer. The way HOT
organises tasks these days uses the HOT Tasking Manager
http://tasks.hotosm.org/. I noticed with the current activity in Nepal
that activity on the usual OSM IRC channels was tiny compared with previous
disasters of this scale. This suggests that the typical activities have
become more-or-less regularised. My own experience looking at Nepal mapping
is that the large volume of data created will require a considerable effort
to clean it up to what I would regard as reasonable OSM standards. However,
it is presumably good enough for the tasks immediately at hand. There is
an existing community of mappers in Nepal, including regular visitors from
Europe, but the disaster struck at a point where tagging standards were
developing.

A more challenging approach which might be more than you are prepared to
commit would be to possibly persuade your employer to host something like a
Missing Maps event.

One last thing there are now fairly regular Maptime http://maptime.io/events
in Southampton https://twitter.com/MaptimeSOTON which might be a good way
to make some local contacts as well.

HTH,

Jerry Clough



On 15 May 2015 at 10:02, Wittle, Paul p.wit...@dorsetcc.gov.uk wrote:

  Hello,



 I've subscribed to this message list because I'm looking around to see if
 there is any organised UK group which deals with HOT projects. I believe
 this is a US based NGO setup to coordinate the use of OSM for disaster
 relief efforts after major events such as the recent earthquakes in Nepal.



 Whilst I'd love to be doing OSM edits in my spare time I've been
 struggling to find time to get involved with job changes and children over
 the past 5 years or so. I would very much like to get involved with mapping
 for disaster recovery and my current employer permits us to take time off
 work for voluntary causes. I suspect they would approve of my doing a day
 to help the disaster recovery processes and it seems that HOT is the
 international group which organises that effort on OSM. In order to do this
 I need be able to explain to my employer what I would be doing and who I
 would be doing it for.



 I wondered if there is a formal group for HOT in the UK and if anyone runs
 UK based training following the http://learnosm.org material setup by HOT?



 Best Regards,



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Besoin d'aide pour cartographier les lignes à haute tension au Népal

2015-05-15 Thread Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
J'avais mis quelques pôles, mais j'ai arrêté car il pouvait y avoir plus de
500m entre deux pôles, je me suis dit que c'était impossible, si quelqu'un
pouvait nous éclairer y un peu sur les distances probables entre deux pôles
ça serait utile.
Le 15 mai 2015 09:34, Marc Sibert m...@sibert.fr a écrit :

  Le 14/05/2015 20:58, Pierre-Yves Berrard a écrit :

  Le 14 mai 2015 19:35, Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com a écrit :

 Bonjour,

 [..]

 Certaines lignes à haute tension ont déjà été cartographiées (visibles
 sur cette requête overpass :
 (http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9lx , qui a d'ailleurs été transmise à ceux
 qui font les recherches). Partir des barrages hydro-électriques permet
 de les repérer.

 [...]
 Merci,

 Jean-Guilhem


 Bonjour,

  Tu pourrais ajouter les [power=tower] à ta requête overpass,
 histoire de voir les pylones isolés susceptibles d'être reliés.

  PY

 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9ml

 A+

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Re: [Talk-it] applicazione per condividere posizione

2015-05-15 Thread mbranco
findmespot ha un canone-base annuo di 96€, meglio allora il servizio del CAI
- Soccorso Alpino che ha un canone di 20€ (10€ per i soci CAI) : 
http://www.georesq.it/ http://www.georesq.it/   .
findmespot ha in più il servizio opzionale di usare la rete satellitare
anche per la trasmissione-dati, ma in questo caso la scatolina costa 159€ e
il canone annuo aumenta di 80€

Parere personale (ben vengano info da chi ne sa di più): ormai negli
smartphone la qualità della ricezione GPS è paragonabile a quella dei
dispositivi specializzati, e tutti sono in grado di mandare dati via GPRS,
in presenza della sola rete GSM; se non fosse per la durata delle batterie
(risolvibile comunque dotandosi di batterie di scorta) non vedo grandi
differenze. 

Un saluto,

  Marco

/ Re: applicazione per condividere posizione
May 14, 2015; 10:41pm — by Dario Zontini Dario Zontini
Cercando in giro soluzioni per condividere la posizione ho trovato questo
dispositivo: teltonika gh4000 che consente di condividere la posizione ad
intervalli regolari tramite modem GPRS. Mi sembra di capire che è possibile
scaricare l'intero tracciato registrato via cavo USB, mentre via modem GPRS
invia solo la posizione attuale. Qualcuno lo sta usando?

Stavo cercando qualcosa, che in assesenza di segnale GSM (non GPS) potesse
salvare i dati sulla memoria interna e quando c'è copertura inviare il tutto
tramite email ad un indirizzo prefissato

Qualcuno conosce prodotti simili?

ciao

Il 11/12/2014 21:19, Cascafico Giovanni ha scritto:

 La scatolina la trovi in internet  30€... se non ricordo male  la
 settimana scorsa era in offerta a 12, ovviamente senza adesivo spot.

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 twitter.com/cascafico


 Il 11/dic/2014 18:29 Davide Mangraviti [hidden email] ha scritto:

 ...

 Quando mi trovo a consigliare servizi a persone che partono seriamente
 per
 avventure, montagna ect.. sono sempre propense ad indirizzarle verso
 servizi
 tipo questo:
 http://www.findmespot.eu/it//



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Re: [Talk-it] applicazione per condividere posizione

2015-05-15 Thread Lorenzo Perone
Ciao,
su smarphone (Android) suggerisco OruxMaps (free).
Ciao.
l.


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twitter: @lorenzo_perone https://twitter.com/lorenzo_perone
photoblog: http://immagini.me
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website: http://blog.spaziogis.it
GEO+ geomatica in Italia *http://bit.ly/GEOplus http://bit.ly/GEOplus*

Il giorno 15 maggio 2015 10:19, mbranco mbran...@gmail.com ha scritto:

 findmespot ha un canone-base annuo di 96€, meglio allora il servizio del
 CAI
 - Soccorso Alpino che ha un canone di 20€ (10€ per i soci CAI) :
 http://www.georesq.it/ http://www.georesq.it/   .
 findmespot ha in più il servizio opzionale di usare la rete satellitare
 anche per la trasmissione-dati, ma in questo caso la scatolina costa 159€ e
 il canone annuo aumenta di 80€

 Parere personale (ben vengano info da chi ne sa di più): ormai negli
 smartphone la qualità della ricezione GPS è paragonabile a quella dei
 dispositivi specializzati, e tutti sono in grado di mandare dati via GPRS,
 in presenza della sola rete GSM; se non fosse per la durata delle batterie
 (risolvibile comunque dotandosi di batterie di scorta) non vedo grandi
 differenze.

 Un saluto,

   Marco

 / Re: applicazione per condividere posizione
 May 14, 2015; 10:41pm — by Dario Zontini Dario Zontini
 Cercando in giro soluzioni per condividere la posizione ho trovato questo
 dispositivo: teltonika gh4000 che consente di condividere la posizione ad
 intervalli regolari tramite modem GPRS. Mi sembra di capire che è possibile
 scaricare l'intero tracciato registrato via cavo USB, mentre via modem GPRS
 invia solo la posizione attuale. Qualcuno lo sta usando?

 Stavo cercando qualcosa, che in assesenza di segnale GSM (non GPS) potesse
 salvare i dati sulla memoria interna e quando c'è copertura inviare il
 tutto
 tramite email ad un indirizzo prefissato

 Qualcuno conosce prodotti simili?

 ciao

 Il 11/12/2014 21:19, Cascafico Giovanni ha scritto:
 
  La scatolina la trovi in internet  30€... se non ricordo male  la
  settimana scorsa era in offerta a 12, ovviamente senza adesivo spot.
 
  --
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  twitter.com/cascafico
 

  Il 11/dic/2014 18:29 Davide Mangraviti [hidden email] ha scritto:
 
  ...
 
  Quando mi trovo a consigliare servizi a persone che partono
 seriamente
  per
  avventure, montagna ect.. sono sempre propense ad indirizzarle verso
  servizi
  tipo questo:
  http://www.findmespot.eu/it//



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Besoin d'aide pour cartographier les lignes à haute tension au Népal

2015-05-15 Thread Marc Sibert

Le 14/05/2015 20:58, Pierre-Yves Berrard a écrit :
Le 14 mai 2015 19:35, Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com 
mailto:j...@arkemie.com a écrit :


Bonjour,

[..]

Certaines lignes à haute tension ont déjà été cartographiées (visibles
sur cette requête overpass :
(http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9lx , qui a d'ailleurs été transmise à
ceux
qui font les recherches). Partir des barrages hydro-électriques permet
de les repérer.

[...]
Merci,

Jean-Guilhem

Bonjour,

Tu pourrais ajouter les [power=tower] à ta requête overpass, 
histoire de voir les pylones isolés susceptibles d'être reliés.


PY

http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9ml

A+

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Re: [Talk-de] POI als Punkt oder Fläche mappen

2015-05-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer




 Am 14.05.2015 um 15:07 schrieb Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de:
 
 Spätestens wenn man mit
 building parts und relationen anfängt.


Die Building parts sollten ja trotzdem noch ein building Objekt zur 
Zusammenfassung, für den Namen, etc. haben. Eine multipolygon Relation ist da 
auch nichts anderes as ein Polygon als geschlossener way 

Gruß 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Besoin d'aide pour cartographier les lignes à haute tension au Népal

2015-05-15 Thread Jean-Guilhem Cailton
Bonjour,

Il peut être utile de tenir compte du relief, tel que montré par exemple
sur OpenCycleMap. Suite à ta question, j'ai mesuré par exemple une
portée de plus d'un kilomètre entre deux pylônes, chacun d'un côté d'une
vallée, dont le fond est plus de 200 m plus bas, à cet endroit :
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/344911045#map=16/27.6878/85.9598layers=C

C'est justement ce genre de configuration qui est redoutable pour les
pilotes d'hélicoptère.

Par ailleurs, suivant l'angle de prise de vue du satellite, et la
visibilité d'un pylône et de son ombre, il peut certes être difficile de
voir tous les pylônes. Il n'en reste pas moins intéressant de pouvoir
poursuivre le tracé des lignes.

Il y a aussi d'ailleurs des cas (sur cette même ligne donnée en exemple
plus haut) où les câbles éclairés par le soleil sont carrément visibles
devant un arrière plan à l'ombre, ou parfois où on peut les deviner, et
avoir ainsi la direction du prochain pylône.

J'ai d'ailleurs trouvé fort utile de reparcourir cette ligne, et de
m'apercevoir que les pylônes apparaissaient souvent comme des sortes de
fantômes gris. Plus faciles à voir certes une fois qu'ils ont été
repérés par un œil exercé. Mais cela permet d'exercer son propre œil.

Merci de vos contributions,

Jean-Guilhem


Le 15/05/2015 09:37, Jean-Baptiste Holcroft a écrit :

 J'avais mis quelques pôles, mais j'ai arrêté car il pouvait y avoir
 plus de 500m entre deux pôles, je me suis dit que c'était impossible,
 si quelqu'un pouvait nous éclairer y un peu sur les distances
 probables entre deux pôles ça serait utile.

 Le 15 mai 2015 09:34, Marc Sibert m...@sibert.fr
 mailto:m...@sibert.fr a écrit :

 Le 14/05/2015 20:58, Pierre-Yves Berrard a écrit :
 Le 14 mai 2015 19:35, Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com
 mailto:j...@arkemie.com a écrit :

 Bonjour,

 [..]

 Certaines lignes à haute tension ont déjà été cartographiées
 (visibles
 sur cette requête overpass :
 (http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9lx , qui a d'ailleurs été
 transmise à ceux
 qui font les recherches). Partir des barrages
 hydro-électriques permet
 de les repérer.

 [...]
 Merci,

 Jean-Guilhem

  
 Bonjour,

 Tu pourrais ajouter les [power=tower] à ta requête overpass,
 histoire de voir les pylones isolés susceptibles d'être reliés.

 PY
 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9ml

 A+

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[OSM-talk-fr] Tagger une place

2015-05-15 Thread Xavier Cremaschi

Bonjour,
comment tagger la place Guynemer ici :
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/100540244#map=19/43.58054/7.12220
selon vous ?

osmose se plaint d'un area=yes sur un objet sans nature, mais 
contrairement aux places du genre highway=pedestrian/area=yes, celle-ci 
n'a rien de piétonne (et highway=residential en ferait une énorme route 
non ?)


Donc quel est selon vous le tag manquant pour la qualifier ? J'ai 
toujours du mal avec les places ça reste assez nébuleux selon les cas... 
Une relation comprenant plein de morceaux de route ?


Xavier.

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Re: [Talk-de] POI als Punkt oder Fläche mappen

2015-05-15 Thread Holger Jeromin
Florian Lohoff wrote on 14.05.2015 15:07:

 On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 11:09:32AM +0200, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
 Das klingt für mich eher so, als hätte Dein Router ein Problem mit POIs als
 Flächen, nicht Du ;-)
 Es ist ein Auswertungsproblem richtig.
 Im Ernst, wenn es einen Eingang gibt, sollte der Router da hin routen. Wenn
 es nicht klar wird aus den OSM Daten, wozu der Eingang gehört, dann muss
 man dafür ein Modell entwickeln. Es gibt noch andere Anwendungsfälle für
 unsere Daten als nur das Routing, und Objekte, die selbst eine nennenswerte
 Ausdehnung haben, sollten auch mit einer solchen eingetragen werden (d.h.
 als Fläche), damit die Daten möglichst universell verwendbar sind. Das
 Problem mit dem Routing ist, dass man oft nicht einfach irgendwie in die
 Nähe des POIs will (was die meisten Router derzeit machen), sondern dass
 man normalerweise zu einem der Eingänge will, sofern es sie gibt.
 Genau - Grundsätzlich sollte es möglich sein für einen POI nicht nur die
 Ausdehnung sondern auch den präferierten Punkt (Eingang, Zentrum etc) zu

 erfassen. Im Prinzip analog zu administrativen Grenzen. Wenn ich nach
 Bielefeld route dann will ich ja nicht in die nähe von Bielefeld oder
 auf der A2 am Berg dann gesagt bekommen Sie haben ihr Ziel erreicht
 sondern für Routingzwecke will ich nicht das in der Auswertung ein
 geometrisches Zentrum eines beliebigen Polygons als Ziel definiert wird,
 sondern ein von mir explizit benanntes.
 
 Da gibt es aber viele Anwendungsfälle.
 
 - POI mit Ausdehnung - Eingang/Ausgang/Anmeldung/Zentrum

Dafür wurde auf der Tagging-ML amenity=reception_desk vorgeschlagen.
Innerhalb des POIs an der richtigen Position.
Aber viel genutzt wird das im Moment auch nicht.

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Re: [Talk-GB] Issue with Changeset

2015-05-15 Thread SomeoneElse

On 15/05/2015 10:22, Jason Woollacott wrote:
Looks like there has been an issue with  changeset 30821940  Which 
seems to have added the A30 through the whole of Cornwall on an 
incorrect route.

https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/30821940
Didn’t want to back this change out myself, as not sure what else it 
changed.

Any thoughts or comments..



Their other changeset has a couple of odd deletions in it too, and 
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/345001740 .


I'd suggest that a local mapper get in touch with them (via changeset 
comments perhaps?) and try and figure out what they were trying to do 
(as ever, looks like cockup rather than conspiracy).  At first 
glance there don't appear to be an v1 items worth saving in these 
changesets, but it'd be nice to check.  I'm happy to try a JOSM revert a 
bit later if no-one else steps forward, but after 10 days I suspect a 
delay of an extra half-day or so won't cause the revert too many extra 
problems.


Cheers,

Andy

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[OSM-talk-be] Fietsknooppunten, bicycle nodes Roundabouts and around squares

2015-05-15 Thread Jakka

Hi,

How do we tag the roundabouts in a relation of hiking route minor 
problem but bicycle routes (knooppunten) and public transport routes  ?
I cute the roundabouts in pieces highway to highway. Is this the 
properly way?
But gives the tester prg like http://osma.vmarc.be/  or 
http://analyser.openstreetmap.fr/cgi-bin/index.py?relation=2718669 a alert?

Roundabouts you must take at the right hand.(Europe)
1 Example south point 03 to north roundabout 5 highways, coming from the 
south leaving first highway to point 28, got a nice line in relation.
Coming back from the opposite way from point 28 the way must leave at 
the 4 highway to point 03 a have a gap in the relation.

If the junction=roundabout must be keep to getter you see symbol roundabout.
2 Example what with a large square, marketplace, which cannot be tagged 
as roundabout but still need to drive ride right hand around it?

situation like first example you have a gap in the relation line.

On response of Guy question several wikipage were recommended not easy 
to find your way.

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Re: [Talk-it-trentino] mancata attribuzione

2015-05-15 Thread girarsi_liste
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Il 15/05/2015 10:01, Michele Malfatti ha scritto:
 Ciao ecco il link alla terlago enduro mtb con mappa osm e mancata 
 attribuzione
 
 http://www.mountaingardabike.com/eventi/dettaglio/68?utm_source=dlvr.itutm_medium=facebook

 
 

È simile, ma non mi pare OSM:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=14/46.1089/11.0506layers=C

Comunque puoi chiedere tramite email se utilizzano la nostra mappa,
anche se ripeto non mi pare, vedo somiglianze, ma è difficile da
sostenere obiettivamente.




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[Talk-it] OSM ha abbandonato l'indoor?

2015-05-15 Thread Aury88
Ciao a tutti.
Oggi facendo un sopraluogo online ho constatato con mio sommo rammarico che
non solo l'indoor mapping su osm non sta andando avanti, ma addirittura sta
regredendo.
L'italia era messa abbastanza bene, con i suoi 11 edifici mappati, era uno
dei paesi più avanti nell'adozione di questa mappatura con addirittura le
prime mappature avvenute prima che si parlasse di indoor su GoogleMap;
Ma ora con l'abbandono del tagging-scheme IndoorOSM [1] il lavoro fatto su
questi 11 edifici ed altre decine in giro per il mondo diventa inutile visto
che lo schema di tag/relation su di loro usato non è più valido (viene
infatti sconsigliato l'utilizzo di questo schema per nuovi elementi...un
modo carino per non dire che invece ciò che è già mappato così diventa
inutile).
Cercando nel wiki non sembrerebbe esistere una proposta definitiva per
questa mappatura ma solo la solita marea di proposte tra cui scegliere e che
rende la mappatura di questo genere di elementi una scommessa...proposte
ancora in via di definizione tra l'altro.
E mentre noi abbandoniamo uno stile di mappatura per metterci a discutere,
per chi sa quanto tempo, se e quali delle proposte adottare ed eventualmente
modificare, GoogleMap ci stà facendo mangiare la polvere con più di 1
edifici già mappati e addirittura spesso aggiornati dai loro stessi
proprietari.

Lo so che questa non è una gara, ma OSM si sta tagliando fuori da uno dei
settori di evoluzione delle mappe in uno degli ambienti, centri commerciali
, edifici pubblici e ampie zone di forte afflusso turistico/sociale,  dove
la sua natura sociale dovrebbe favorirla.

Invertire la situazione diventa sempre più difficile ma si può fare...ma
secondo me servono alcune cose

1)Uno schema di tagging il più semplice e flessibile possibile: non
necessariamente l'utente vuole mappare ogni particolare, ma lo schema di
base non deve precludere un affinamento della mappa in fasi successive.

2)L'approvazione della community sullo schema di tagging in modo da non
disincentivare la mappatura degli interni a causa del rischio di vedere il
lavoro bruciato dopo pochi mesi.

3) un editor che permetta il facile utilizzo di questo schema di tagging
magari ad-hoc per l'indoor mapping che magari sia già incentrato sul
concetto di livello-piano (usato come layer di editing) per cui selezionando
il livello 1 vengono risaltati solo gli elementi del livello 1 e ciò che è
aggiunto venga aggiunto con già tutti i tag che descrivono il livello di
appartenenza senza che l'utente debba inserire tag al riguardo

4)un render di default che permetta di identificare gli edifici con l'indoor
ed eventualmente visualizzarlo in modo da favorire la diffusione di questa
mappatura.

5) un modo rapido per cambiare la destinazione d'uso degli elementi
all'interno dell'edificio per consentire il facile aggiornamento degli
elementi da parte di inesperti (nessun cambio di geometria).

eventualmente anche :
6) una chiarificazione da parte delle varie community nazionali sulla
possibilità di ricalcare le mappe messe a disposizione nei vari centri
commerciali ecc ecc...già adesso i CC regalano le mappe a google per
guadagnarci in termini di visibilità...con noi dovrebbero subire grosso modo
la stessa sorte per la licenza dei dati della mappa con l'unica differenza
che da noi i dati non rimarrebbero di proprietà di un'azienda ma a
disposizione di tutta la comunità.









[1]http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/IndoorOSM



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Osmand en JOSM

2015-05-15 Thread Guy Vanvuchelen
I am using:

Smartphone Sony Xperia  model: ST21i

Android-version: 4.0.4

OsmAnd: 2.0.1 (2015-04-28)  with the earlier version (1.9)  it works perfect.

 

 

 

Guy Vanvuchelen

 

Van: André Pirard [mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com] 
Verzonden: vrijdag 15 mei 2015 4:37
Aan: OpenStreetMap Belgium
Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Osmand en JOSM

 

On 2015-05-14 17:28, Guy Vanvuchelen wrote :

Sinds enkele dagen kan ik een GPX bestand dat gemaakt werd met Osmand niet meer 
rechtstreeks inladen in JOSM. Vroeger lukte dat wel.

Als ik op de website http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/convert_input het GPX bestand 
inlees en terug bewaar als GPX bestand dan kan JOSM er ineens wel overweg mee.

Ik hoorde van een collega mapper dat hij vandaag hetzelfde probleem ondervonden 
heeft. Weet iemand de oplossing of oorzaak?

 

Ouch, my Thunderbird translator seems to be out of its mind. Google Translate 
speaking:



For several days I a GPX file that was created with OsmAnd not directly loading 
into JOSM. Previously it was more feasible.

When I'm on the website http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/convert_input GPX file 
read-in and back save as GPX file, then JOSM can handle it there once.

I heard from a colleague mapper that he has encountered the same problem today. 
Does anyone know the solution or cause?

No problem here to load an Osmand GPX file in JOSM.
But the best method to describe a problem is I'm using version X of this and 
that, I'm doing this and I see that.
If you do so, I might be able to compare and help you.

Cheers 


André.

 

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Re: [Talk-at] Kleingartenvereine

2015-05-15 Thread Thomas Konrad
Sehe ich ganz genauso wie Tobias. Wenn ich in einer Gegend mappe und beim 
Feuerwehrhaus FF Hintertupfing sehe dann tendiere ich dazu den name-Tag nach 
Freiwillige Feuerwehr Hintertupfing zu ändern. Anders hat jemand, der nicht 
aus dem deutschsprachigen Raum ist, nicht einmal die Möglichkeit 
herauszufinden, was FF eigentlich bedeutet.

Thomas

 Am 15 May 2015 um 08:38 schrieb Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de:
 
 Am 14.05.2015 17:46, schrieb Wolfgang Schreiter:
 Dazu gibt es noch mehrere Beispiele, z.B. FF (Freiwillige Feuerwehr), VS
 (Volksschule), HS (Hauptschule). Es stellt sich grundsätzlich die Frage, ob
 solche Abkürzungen in Namen verwendet werden sollten.
 
 Die Frage wird generell beantwortet mit: Nein, Abkürzungen in Namen
 sollten vermieden werden. Steht jedenfalls seit langem so im Wiki.
 
 Nun kann man bei extrem gängigen Abkürzungen noch über die
 Sinnhaftigkeit streiten (z.B. Dr vs. Doktor), aber bei den hier
 diskutierten Beispielen würde ich mich klar an die Regel halten.
 
 Es ist generell für Software wesentlich einfacher einen Begriff
 abzukürzen als den Begriff aus einer Abkürzung zu rekonstruieren. HS
 beispielsweise wird ja auch für Hochschule, High School und Haltestelle
 verwendet.
 
 Ich wäre daher für die Verwendung der ausgeschriebenen Form, plus
 short_name mit der Abkürzung. Damit ist dann auch die Suche nach dem
 ausgeschriebenen Kleingartenverein erfolgreich, was momentan nicht der
 Fall ist.
 
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Re: [Talk-at] Kleingartenvereine

2015-05-15 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 15.05.2015 08:38, Tobias Knerr wrote:
 Ich wäre daher für die Verwendung der ausgeschriebenen Form, plus
 short_name mit der Abkürzung. Damit ist dann auch die Suche nach dem
 ausgeschriebenen Kleingartenverein erfolgreich, was momentan nicht der
 Fall ist.

name=KGV... kommt auch bei euch in DE vor, da wurden sie aber (noch) nicht
geändert. Bist du also der Meinung, dass die Massenedits auch in DE
durchgeführt werden sollen?

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[talk-ph] Catarman Airport runway and highway crossing

2015-05-15 Thread maning sambale
I've always thought there is a bug in Catarman Airport's runway that
intersects with the secondary road, apparently, this is true on the
ground. ;)

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/maning/diary/35012

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Tagger une place

2015-05-15 Thread George Kaplan
Bonjour,

Au vu de l'imagerie aérienne, cette place n'en est pas vraiment : impossible de 
s'y déplacer à pied ou dans un véhicule dans toutes les directions. C'est un 
nom donné à l'intersection des routes.
Dans ce cas, il faut supprimer l'objet surfacique et poser le tag junction=yes 
et le nom sur le croisement des routes.

Osmose se plaint avec raison car area=yes tout seul ne décrit pas la nature de 
l'objet.

George

Le 15 mai 2015 à 09:36, Xavier Cremaschi omega.xav...@gmail.com a écrit :

 Bonjour,
 comment tagger la place Guynemer ici :
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/100540244#map=19/43.58054/7.12220
 selon vous ?
 
 osmose se plaint d'un area=yes sur un objet sans nature, mais contrairement 
 aux places du genre highway=pedestrian/area=yes, celle-ci n'a rien de 
 piétonne (et highway=residential en ferait une énorme route non ?)
 
 Donc quel est selon vous le tag manquant pour la qualifier ? J'ai toujours du 
 mal avec les places ça reste assez nébuleux selon les cas... Une relation 
 comprenant plein de morceaux de route ?
 
 Xavier.
 
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[Talk-GB] HOT in the UK

2015-05-15 Thread Wittle, Paul
Hello,

I've subscribed to this message list because I'm looking around to see if there 
is any organised UK group which deals with HOT projects. I believe this is a US 
based NGO setup to coordinate the use of OSM for disaster relief efforts after 
major events such as the recent earthquakes in Nepal.

Whilst I'd love to be doing OSM edits in my spare time I've been struggling to 
find time to get involved with job changes and children over the past 5 years 
or so. I would very much like to get involved with mapping for disaster 
recovery and my current employer permits us to take time off work for voluntary 
causes. I suspect they would approve of my doing a day to help the disaster 
recovery processes and it seems that HOT is the international group which 
organises that effort on OSM. In order to do this I need be able to explain to 
my employer what I would be doing and who I would be doing it for.

I wondered if there is a formal group for HOT in the UK and if anyone runs UK 
based training following the http://learnosm.org material setup by HOT?

Best Regards,

Paul Wittle

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Re: [Talk-lv] Rīgas adrešu punktu imports no opendata.riga.lv

2015-05-15 Thread Rich
On 15/05/15 11:45, Rich wrote:
...
 2) Uzsākot apkopot kādas ielas ir OSM, bet nav opendata.riga.lv sākot ar
 A burtu atrādu diezgan specifisko kļūdu(?): opendata.riga.lv, RIĢIS un
 laikam uz plāksnītēm ir Aristida Briāna iela (otrais i ir bez
 garumzīmes), bet gan OSM (Aristīda Briāna iela), gan tīmekļa lapās
 (piem: wikipedia), ir rakstīts Aristīds Briāns (otrais i ar garumzīmi).
 Ko gan darīt nezinu :-) Laikam ir jāņem tā, kā tas ir adrešu katalogā?
 Domāju, ka tādas vēl būs.
 
 jā, šis ir interesanti. piedāvāju pagaidām šo ielu neaiztikt un, ja ir
 citi gadījumi, tos pētīt atsevišķi.
 jāprasa vvc :)

vvc saka - ar garo ir pareizi.
https://twitter.com/_vvc/status/599138651038154753
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fietsknooppunten, bicycle nodes Roundabouts and around squares

2015-05-15 Thread Marc Gemis
Not everybody splits a roundabout for a route, although I usually split it.
JOSM shows a nice roundabout icon in the route relation editor in case you
do not split. Routers are probably smart enough to escape the roundabout
themselves.
When it is not a roundabout, it is normal to split the street (square),
just as with a regular street.

Extend of market place: area:highway is often mentioned to map the extend
of a street.


regards


m

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Jakka vdmfrank...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 How do we tag the roundabouts in a relation of hiking route minor problem
 but bicycle routes (knooppunten) and public transport routes  ?
 I cute the roundabouts in pieces highway to highway. Is this the properly
 way?
 But gives the tester prg like http://osma.vmarc.be/  or
 http://analyser.openstreetmap.fr/cgi-bin/index.py?relation=2718669 a
 alert?
 Roundabouts you must take at the right hand.(Europe)
 1 Example south point 03 to north roundabout 5 highways, coming from the
 south leaving first highway to point 28, got a nice line in relation.
 Coming back from the opposite way from point 28 the way must leave at the
 4 highway to point 03 a have a gap in the relation.
 If the junction=roundabout must be keep to getter you see symbol
 roundabout.
 2 Example what with a large square, marketplace, which cannot be tagged as
 roundabout but still need to drive ride right hand around it?
 situation like first example you have a gap in the relation line.

 On response of Guy question several wikipage were recommended not easy to
 find your way.
 --

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Osmand en JOSM

2015-05-15 Thread André Pirard
On 2015-05-15 08:21, Guy Vanvuchelen wrote :

 I am using:

 Smartphone Sony Xperia  model: ST21i

 Android-version: 4.0.4

 OsmAnd: 2.0.1 (2015-04-28)  with the earlier version (1.9)  it works
 perfect.

What is the JOSM version?
 I'm doing this and I see that.
How (which menus) do you produce the GPX file? What does JOSM when you
load the file?

Maybe the shortest path is to send me privately a GPX file that doesn't
load.
I'll try to load it and try the figure the difference with what you do.

Cheers

André.






  

  

  

 Guy Vanvuchelen

  

 *Van:*André Pirard [mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com]
 *Verzonden:* vrijdag 15 mei 2015 4:37
 *Aan:* OpenStreetMap Belgium
 *Onderwerp:* Re: [OSM-talk-be] Osmand en JOSM

  

 On 2015-05-14 17:28, Guy Vanvuchelen wrote :

 Sinds enkele dagen kan ik een GPX bestand dat gemaakt werd met
 Osmand niet meer rechtstreeks inladen in JOSM. Vroeger lukte dat wel.

 Als ik op de website http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/convert_input
 het GPX bestand inlees en terug bewaar als GPX bestand dan kan
 JOSM er ineens wel overweg mee.

 Ik hoorde van een collega mapper dat hij vandaag hetzelfde
 probleem ondervonden heeft. Weet iemand de oplossing of oorzaak?

  

 Ouch, my Thunderbird translator seems to be out of its mind. Google
 Translate speaking:

 For severaldays I a GPX file that was created with OsmAnd not directly
 loading into JOSM. Previously it was more feasible.

 When I'm on the website http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/convert_input GPX
 file read-in and back save as GPX file, then JOSM can handle it there
 once.

 I heard from a colleague mapper that he has encountered the same
 problem today. Does anyone know the solution or cause?

 No problem here to load an Osmand GPX file in JOSM.
 But the best method to describe a problem is I'm using version X of
 this and that, I'm doing this and I see that.
 If you do so, I might be able to compare and help you.

 Cheers

 André.

  


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fietsknooppunten, bicycle nodes Roundabouts and around squares

2015-05-15 Thread Jo
The routers are probably smart enough to not send you around the roundabout
times more often than strictly necessary. The renderers however, are not
and it would be very hard to change that. It's simply easier to split the
roundabouts manually and then the rendering can show exactly where the
buses go.

Jo

2015-05-15 12:12 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com:

 Not everybody splits a roundabout for a route, although I usually split
 it. JOSM shows a nice roundabout icon in the route relation editor in case
 you do not split. Routers are probably smart enough to escape the
 roundabout themselves.
 When it is not a roundabout, it is normal to split the street (square),
 just as with a regular street.

 Extend of market place: area:highway is often mentioned to map the extend
 of a street.


 regards


 m

 On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Jakka vdmfrank...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 How do we tag the roundabouts in a relation of hiking route minor problem
 but bicycle routes (knooppunten) and public transport routes  ?
 I cute the roundabouts in pieces highway to highway. Is this the properly
 way?
 But gives the tester prg like http://osma.vmarc.be/  or
 http://analyser.openstreetmap.fr/cgi-bin/index.py?relation=2718669 a
 alert?
 Roundabouts you must take at the right hand.(Europe)
 1 Example south point 03 to north roundabout 5 highways, coming from the
 south leaving first highway to point 28, got a nice line in relation.
 Coming back from the opposite way from point 28 the way must leave at the
 4 highway to point 03 a have a gap in the relation.
 If the junction=roundabout must be keep to getter you see symbol
 roundabout.
 2 Example what with a large square, marketplace, which cannot be tagged
 as roundabout but still need to drive ride right hand around it?
 situation like first example you have a gap in the relation line.

 On response of Guy question several wikipage were recommended not easy to
 find your way.
 --

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[OSM-talk-be] OsmAnd

2015-05-15 Thread Guy Vanvuchelen
Omdat we ondervonden hebben dat OsmAnd, een programma is waar veel
smartphone gebruikers interesse voor hebben, heb ik samen met een collega
mapper een eenvoudige Nederlandstalige handleiding geschreven. Ze is te
downloaden op: http://issuu.com/guyvanvuchelen/docs/osmandversie2

 

Misschien kan je er iemand mee plezier doen.

 

 

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Re: [Talk-in] Talk-in Digest, Vol 81, Issue 7

2015-05-15 Thread abhijit . ekbote
Amazing work! Much required.
Abhijit

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Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 22:02:09 +0530
From: Arun Ganesh arun.plane...@gmail.com
To: OpenStreetMap in India talk-in@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-in] openstreetmap.in!
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On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:41 PM, Ishan Chattopadhyaya 
ichattopadhy...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ah, that explains it. Arun, while you're at it, can you please also look
 at the south eastern Ladakh border with China (East of Lekong Yok)? Same
 issue there, it seems.


Thanks, did some more touchup. let me know if its better.

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From: Sajjad Anwar m...@sajjad.in
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On Thursday, May 14, 2015, GN nagar...@gnowledge.org wrote:

 On 05/14/2015 06:06 PM, Sajjad Anwar wrote:
  Hello everyone,
 
  Really happy to announce that openstreetmap.in -
  http://openstreetmap.in/ - is back and running.
 Waiting to hear such news! congratulations!

 btw, why is the northern plains looking so empty?

 Would the server be able to take good load? we would like to draw the
 basemaps from here for our projects.


It's okay use them. They are severed from mapbox.com, just in case there's
so much traffic we can figure out moving it to a different account.


 --
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  Earlier today, Satyaakam, Arun, Sanjay and I put it together. It's
  hosted on a server that Sanjay and I maintain along with several other
  open data projects. The tiles are hosted on mapbox.com under the
  openstreetmap account, updated regularly - changes to OpenStreetMap
  will reflect in under 10 minutes. The style is prepared using Mapbox
  Studio and is here - https://github.com/osmlab/india.tm2 If you have
  feature requests or find bugs in the style, just open a ticket. Pull
  requests welcome!
 
  You can use this map in your project, the instructions are here -
  https://github.com/geohacker/openstreetmap.in#using-this-map
 
  We have also setup a tasking manager instance -
  http://tasks.openstreetmap.in/ - to coordinate mapping events and
  workshops across the country. Please reach out to the list if you need
  help organising a task.
 
  Cheers,
  Sajjad.
 
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Really commendable work.
Ravi Kumar


On Thu, 5/14/15, srinivas kodali iota.kod...@gmail.com wrote:

Subject: Re: [Talk-in] openstreetmap.in!
To: OpenStreetMap in India talk-in@openstreetmap.org
Date: Thursday, May 14, 2015, 8:48 AM

This is awesome,
tasking manager can be really helpful for
events.
Regards,
Srinivas Kodali

On Thu, May 14, 2015
at 8:28 PM, omshivaprak...@gmail.com
omshivaprak...@gmail.com
wrote:
Awesome! 

On Thu, 

Re: [Talk-de] highway=trunk - Höhenfreie zweistreifige Straße

2015-05-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 14. Mai 2015 um 15:09 schrieb Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de:

 Router nehmen nicht nur Geschwindigkeiten sondern auch Straßenklassen
 zur priorisierung. Auf einem trunk maxspeed=50 kommt man tendentiell ja
 auch schneller vorran als auf einem residential maxspeed=50.



ja klar, je nach Situation wird man die Klassen taggen, sofern es eine
Umfahrung gibt würde ich der Ortsdurchfahrt auch eher was niedrigeres
geben, aber bitte nicht die Kontinuität des Netzes unterbrechen, und im Ort
die Durchgangsstraße herunterstufen, wenn es keine Alternativen gibt.

Gruß,
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Re: [Talk-de] highway=trunk - Höhenfreie zweistreifige Straße

2015-05-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 14. Mai 2015 um 16:15 schrieb Michael ohr...@gmail.com:

 Mir so etwas in Richtung wie übergeordnete Bedeutung (blöder Ausdruck,
 ich weiß, aber mir fällt gerade nichts besseres aus). Ich bin halt eher ein
 Freund davon, nach der Verkehrsbedeutung zu mappen.

  Ich fände es nicht schlimm, wenn eine primary auf einem Teilstück das
 kreuzungsfrei / autobahnähnlich ausgebaut ist, zu einem trunk würde.


 Bei autobahnähnlich bin ich ja voll dabei. Aber nehmen wir mal an, die
 Umgehungsstraße zwischen Pusemuckel-West und Pusemuckel-Ost ist
 kreuzungsfrei ausgebaut, aber nur zweistreifig. Da wäre da für mich ein
 trunk trotzdem fehl am Platz. Wenn man nur die Höhenfreiheit als
 Argument nimmt, wäre das aber trunk.



OK, +1

Hier mal ein Beispiel, wo es oft wechselt von trunk zu primary und zurück,
sowohl die B27 (Tübingen Richtung Balingen) als auch die B28 um Reutlingen,
und wo ich das auch gerechtfertigt finde, und ein Informationsgewinn da ist:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=13/48.4680/9.1313

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Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Mapping high tension power lines in Nepal

2015-05-15 Thread François Lacombe
Hi,

The power generation model was refined in 2013 and include some distinction
between a power plant and a power generator.
It would be convenient and sustainable to take care of this for this
concern.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_generation_refinement

Power generator only regard any kind of device which convert energy from
one sort to another. It should be mapped with power=generator
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dgenerator

Power plant is the whole site and can be mapped with an area or a relation
if the power plant isn't enclosed with a fence (which is often the case for
hydro power plant).
power=plant is the tag currently approved.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dplant


The hydropower_project tag may be redundant with power=plant.
Currently, it may be useful to map power=plant sites features only.
Generators are supplementary information only used by specialized mappers.

It would be great to don't use any other custom power=* value to allow the
largest amount of mapper to work with these datas.

I'll add some in my spare time.

All the best


*François Lacombe*

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2015-05-14 17:23 GMT+02:00 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com:

 Fyi, user GautamPratik already started entering some hydro sites using the
 tag hydropower_project:name. Here's a search for that:
 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9lJ

 And one for power=generator generally in Nepal:
 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9lN

 Cheers, Brad

 On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Steve Bower sbo...@gmavt.net wrote:

 The Nepal Electric Authority would likely already have such a map, or
 relevant data:
 http://www.nea.org.np/

 Page 106 of their annual plan has a transmission line map:
 http://www.nea.org.np/images/supportive_docs/Annual%20Report-2014.pdf

 I did not find anything better in a quick search of their web site, but
 they could probably provide something.

 Steve


 On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:26 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com
 wrote:

 Hi,

 As you may know, helicopters play a critical role in bringing help to
 Nepalese people affected by April 25 7.8 earthquake, and May 12 7.4
 aftershock, with roads blocked or made dangerous by landslides and
 unstable terrain.

 A USMC helicopter that was taking part in this effort is missing since
 May 12. Other helicopters involved in the search and rescue mission
 report that: A primary concern for ongoing search and rescue efforts is
 unmarked high tension power lines, which have been reported and bisect
 many of the valleys in the search area.

 Some high tension power lines have already been mapped
 (http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9lx , passed along to those conducting the
 searches). Starting from electrical dams makes it easier to spot them.

 If mappers experienced at mapping power lines could give a hand, this
 would be great. (Or others willing to learn, like me :) ).

 Bing is available for large parts of Nepal. A focus for current search
 and rescue effort is around Ghorthali (27.7517 N  86.0342 E) from where
 a Nepalese local reported seeing a helicopter crash. But of course high
 tension power lines would also be nice to have for Sindhupalchowk,
 Dolakha and other affected districts (see
 http://kathmandulivinglabs.github.io/quake-maps/).

 (Please download and upload OSM data often, in case other mappers work
 on the same theme).

 Thanks,

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Re: [Talk-it] OSM ha abbandonato l'indoor?

2015-05-15 Thread Max1234Ita
dieterdreist wrote
 questo avevi conteggiato?
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=41.85054mlon=12.48412#map=19/41.85054/12.48412
 ;-)
 
 Ciao,
 Martin


E poi potrebbe esserci anche questo: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/183149695
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/183149695  : lo avevo fatto qualche tempo
fa, senza nemmeno sapere che ci fosse un'iniziativa OSM per mappare gli
indoor... oggi però ho visto i tag ed ho messo indoor=yes al posto di
tunnel=building_passage! :-) 

Ciao,
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[Talk-it] CityGML da OSM?

2015-05-15 Thread cesare gerbino
Ciao a tutti,

siete a conoscenza di qualche tool / soluzione (preferibilmente open source
ovviamente ...), che converta dei dati OSM in CityGML? Ho provato a dare
un'occhiata veloce sul wiki ma non ho trovato molto ...

 Grazie mille

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Re: [Talk-GB] Issue with Changeset

2015-05-15 Thread Steve Doerr
Look here instead: 
http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/#17/50.0553/-5.6555num=4mt0=mapnikmt1=google-mapmt2=bing-mapmt3=nokia-map


Steve

On 15/05/2015 10:44, Paul Sladen wrote:

On Fri, 15 May 2015, Jason Woollacott wrote:

Looks like there has been an issue with changeset 30821940 Which
seems to have added the A30 through the whole of Cornwall
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/30821940

Could you describe in slightly more detail /what/ is probably
wrong/broken.  I've skimmed the route, comparing it to other
providers:

   
http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/#14/50.6104/-4.4456num=4mt0=geofabrikmt1=google-mapmt2=bing-mapmt3=nokia-map

and (positionally) there would appear to be reasonable consistency.
Is it new nodes, or a meta-data issue (eg. swapped with A39); or
something else?

   Caveat emptor: I'm not a local.

-Paul




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[OSM-talk-fr] Vote pour une meilleur cartographie des appuis électriques sur OSM

2015-05-15 Thread François Lacombe
Bonjour à tous,

Plusieurs propositions ont actuellement cours sur le wiki pour la
cartographie des réseaux électriques.
L'une d'entre-elles concerne la cartographie des appuis électriques et
autres pylônes haute tension.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_supports_refinement

Elle pérennise les valeurs power=tower pour les pylônes et power=pole pour
les poteaux. La différence résidant dans le nombre de pieds au sol de ces
structures.
3 autres valeurs sont également proposées : power=portal pour les
portiques, power=terminal pour les ancrages sur les bâtiments et
power=insulator pour les isolateurs et autres appuis divers.

Le vote de cette proposition a débuté hier, vous pouvez ajouter vos retour
en bas de page comme certains l'ont déjà fait.

Le modèle n'est pas forcément parfait comme indiqué plusieurs fois dans les
débats autour de ce document, cependant on gagnera en précision à la fois
dans les pays développés où OSM a déjà une large présence comme les pays du
sud où le réseau n'est pas largement cartographié.


Un grand merci à ceux qui ont pris part au débat lors de la mise au point
de ces tags et merci par avance pour les retours de chacun.

Bonne journée.


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fietsknooppunten, bicycle nodes Roundabouts and around squares

2015-05-15 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 1:30 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote:

 If you like to add landuse=village_green for the a


never use village_green in Belgium ! It for a very specific type of area
only found on the British islands. see
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:landuse%3Dvillage_green
Use leisure=park, leisure=garden, landuse=grass , landcover=grass, or 
instead

m

p.s. I have used it in the past as well, before I found out it's a UK-only
thing.
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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Sheet request 17/25 SE

2015-05-15 Thread Donal Diamond
On 15 May 2015 at 08:58, Gary Sturgeon gary.sturg...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 Can I request the following sheet:

 17/25 SE


All of 17-25 is already uploaded:

http://mapwarper.net/maps?field=titlequery=IRL-GSGS-3906-17-25show_warped=0


 first time attempting this so I may need some help!


We're here to help!

I presume you have looked at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ireland/Mapping_Townlands  and DaCor's
helpful videos.

The best place to get real-time help is on the irc channel - there's
usually someone on line but bear in mind it's not like a manned helpdesk so
you may have to wait for someone to notice.

https://kiwiirc.com/client/irc.oftc.net/osm-ie

The mailing-list is also a good place for questions as well as other new
mappers will benefit from seeing  the responses.

Good Luck!

D




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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fietsknooppunten, bicycle nodes Roundabouts and around squares

2015-05-15 Thread Jo
My preference is to split roundabouts, because this gives a very clean
result in where the buses drive exactly.

For bicycle routes this means forward/backward split sections, For hiking
routes I use the shortest path between the connecting ways.

The code for the tester will have to be adapted, Send them reports about
their false positive results.

I also split squares and marketplaces when routes have to go around (maybe
we need linear ways for the traffic and an additional area to show the
extent of the market place), or add a 'virtual' service way for the traffic
that would go across. Like Grote Markt in Leuven.

Jo

2015-05-15 11:49 GMT+02:00 Jakka vdmfrank...@gmail.com:

 Hi,

 How do we tag the roundabouts in a relation of hiking route minor problem
 but bicycle routes (knooppunten) and public transport routes  ?
 I cute the roundabouts in pieces highway to highway. Is this the properly
 way?
 But gives the tester prg like http://osma.vmarc.be/  or
 http://analyser.openstreetmap.fr/cgi-bin/index.py?relation=2718669 a
 alert?
 Roundabouts you must take at the right hand.(Europe)
 1 Example south point 03 to north roundabout 5 highways, coming from the
 south leaving first highway to point 28, got a nice line in relation.
 Coming back from the opposite way from point 28 the way must leave at the
 4 highway to point 03 a have a gap in the relation.
 If the junction=roundabout must be keep to getter you see symbol
 roundabout.
 2 Example what with a large square, marketplace, which cannot be tagged as
 roundabout but still need to drive ride right hand around it?
 situation like first example you have a gap in the relation line.

 On response of Guy question several wikipage were recommended not easy to
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fietsknooppunten, bicycle nodes Roundabouts and around squares

2015-05-15 Thread Sander Deryckere
The old recommendation was to not split roundabouts. It makes it easier for
the software to see it's a roundabout when it's closed, and it makes
routing stuff (like counting the exit number) easier.

However, that recommendation changed on the wiki some years ago (AFAICS,
without discussion). So now both situations happen (complete roundabout as
part of a route, and split roundabouts), and tools have to be able to
handle both situations.

For me, the disadvantage of split roundabouts is that you can't modify them
as easily. When it's a complete circle, it's easy to scale it, rotate it,
and make it perfectly circular. With split roundabouts, this becomes harder.

I still prefer complete circles for most cases.

Regards,
Sander

2015-05-15 12:12 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com:

 Not everybody splits a roundabout for a route, although I usually split
 it. JOSM shows a nice roundabout icon in the route relation editor in case
 you do not split. Routers are probably smart enough to escape the
 roundabout themselves.
 When it is not a roundabout, it is normal to split the street (square),
 just as with a regular street.

 Extend of market place: area:highway is often mentioned to map the extend
 of a street.


 regards


 m

 On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Jakka vdmfrank...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 How do we tag the roundabouts in a relation of hiking route minor problem
 but bicycle routes (knooppunten) and public transport routes  ?
 I cute the roundabouts in pieces highway to highway. Is this the properly
 way?
 But gives the tester prg like http://osma.vmarc.be/  or
 http://analyser.openstreetmap.fr/cgi-bin/index.py?relation=2718669 a
 alert?
 Roundabouts you must take at the right hand.(Europe)
 1 Example south point 03 to north roundabout 5 highways, coming from the
 south leaving first highway to point 28, got a nice line in relation.
 Coming back from the opposite way from point 28 the way must leave at the
 4 highway to point 03 a have a gap in the relation.
 If the junction=roundabout must be keep to getter you see symbol
 roundabout.
 2 Example what with a large square, marketplace, which cannot be tagged
 as roundabout but still need to drive ride right hand around it?
 situation like first example you have a gap in the relation line.

 On response of Guy question several wikipage were recommended not easy to
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Re: [Talk-GB] HOT in the UK

2015-05-15 Thread Jo Walsh
We've also been holding regular Missing Maps mapathons in Edinburgh and 
Glasgow, thanks to Margaux Mesle and Duncan Bain.

- Jo



On May 15, 2015 10:45:55 AM GMT+01:00, SK53 sk53@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Paul,

The closest to a formal organisation is the Missing Maps
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Missing_Maps_Project project which
has
regular evening sessions in London. Several regular OSM contributors
are
formal members
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Humanitarian_OSM_Team/Members of
HOT
(Harry Wood, Nick Allen (tallguy) and Tim Waters (chippy) come to
mind),
and others often help out at Missing Maps sessions. I would suggest
perhaps
getting directly in contact with Nick
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Tallguyas he has put
considerable
efforts into training and co-ordination.

In practice there is much which can be done from any computer. The way
HOT
organises tasks these days uses the HOT Tasking Manager
http://tasks.hotosm.org/. I noticed with the current activity in
Nepal
that activity on the usual OSM IRC channels was tiny compared with
previous
disasters of this scale. This suggests that the typical activities have
become more-or-less regularised. My own experience looking at Nepal
mapping
is that the large volume of data created will require a considerable
effort
to clean it up to what I would regard as reasonable OSM standards.
However,
it is presumably good enough for the tasks immediately at hand. There
is
an existing community of mappers in Nepal, including regular visitors
from
Europe, but the disaster struck at a point where tagging standards were
developing.

A more challenging approach which might be more than you are prepared
to
commit would be to possibly persuade your employer to host something
like a
Missing Maps event.

One last thing there are now fairly regular Maptime
http://maptime.io/events
in Southampton https://twitter.com/MaptimeSOTON which might be a good
way
to make some local contacts as well.

HTH,

Jerry Clough



On 15 May 2015 at 10:02, Wittle, Paul p.wit...@dorsetcc.gov.uk wrote:

  Hello,



 I've subscribed to this message list because I'm looking around to
see if
 there is any organised UK group which deals with HOT projects. I
believe
 this is a US based NGO setup to coordinate the use of OSM for
disaster
 relief efforts after major events such as the recent earthquakes in
Nepal.



 Whilst I'd love to be doing OSM edits in my spare time I've been
 struggling to find time to get involved with job changes and children
over
 the past 5 years or so. I would very much like to get involved with
mapping
 for disaster recovery and my current employer permits us to take time
off
 work for voluntary causes. I suspect they would approve of my doing a
day
 to help the disaster recovery processes and it seems that HOT is the
 international group which organises that effort on OSM. In order to
do this
 I need be able to explain to my employer what I would be doing and
who I
 would be doing it for.



 I wondered if there is a formal group for HOT in the UK and if anyone
runs
 UK based training following the http://learnosm.org material setup by
HOT?



 Best Regards,



 Paul Wittle


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Re: [Talk-it] applicazione per condividere posizione

2015-05-15 Thread Dario Zontini
concordo che con uno smartphone si possa fare molto. Un data logger 
avrebbe il vantaggio della durata batteria e la semplicità di utilizzo 
(aspetto positivo chi ha poca pratica con la tecnologia)


Dario Zontini


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Ciao,
su smarphone (Android) suggerisco OruxMaps (free).
Ciao.
l.


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twitter: @lorenzo_perone
photoblog: http://immagini.me
opendata: http://go.shr.lc/1FhXkD1
website: http://blog.spaziogis.it/
GEO+ geomatica in Italia http://bit.ly/GEOplus

Il giorno 15 maggio 2015 10:19, mbranco mbran...@gmail.com ha 
scritto:
findmespot ha un canone-base annuo di 96€, meglio allora il servizio 
del CAI

- Soccorso Alpino che ha un canone di 20€ (10€ per i soci CAI) :
http://www.georesq.it/ http://www.georesq.it/   .
findmespot ha in più il servizio opzionale di usare la rete 
satellitare
anche per la trasmissione-dati, ma in questo caso la scatolina costa 
159€ e

il canone annuo aumenta di 80€

Parere personale (ben vengano info da chi ne sa di più): ormai negli
smartphone la qualità della ricezione GPS è paragonabile a quella dei
dispositivi specializzati, e tutti sono in grado di mandare dati via 
GPRS,
in presenza della sola rete GSM; se non fosse per la durata delle 
batterie

(risolvibile comunque dotandosi di batterie di scorta) non vedo grandi
differenze.

Un saluto,

  Marco

/ Re: applicazione per condividere posizione
May 14, 2015; 10:41pm — by Dario Zontini Dario Zontini
Cercando in giro soluzioni per condividere la posizione ho trovato 
questo
dispositivo: teltonika gh4000 che consente di condividere la posizione 
ad
intervalli regolari tramite modem GPRS. Mi sembra di capire che è 
possibile
scaricare l'intero tracciato registrato via cavo USB, mentre via modem 
GPRS

invia solo la posizione attuale. Qualcuno lo sta usando?

Stavo cercando qualcosa, che in assesenza di segnale GSM (non GPS) 
potesse
salvare i dati sulla memoria interna e quando c'è copertura inviare il 
tutto

tramite email ad un indirizzo prefissato

Qualcuno conosce prodotti simili?

ciao

Il 11/12/2014 21:19, Cascafico Giovanni ha scritto:

 La scatolina la trovi in internet  30€... se non ricordo male  la
 settimana scorsa era in offerta a 12, ovviamente senza adesivo 
spot.


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 Il 11/dic/2014 18:29 Davide Mangraviti [hidden email] ha 
scritto:


 ...

 Quando mi trovo a consigliare servizi a persone che partono 
seriamente

 per
 avventure, montagna ect.. sono sempre propense ad indirizzarle 
verso

 servizi
 tipo questo:
 http://www.findmespot.eu/it//



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fietsknooppunten, bicycle nodes Roundabouts and around squares

2015-05-15 Thread Jo
Type:

Ctrl-f
junction=roundabout inview

tick the box: add toolbar button

You are rewarded with a handy button on your toolbar.

Get 1 roundabout in your viewing window. Press the button. All ways of the
roundabout are selected. Remove oneway=yes if it's (still) there.

now press 'o'. The roundabout becomes perfectly round and the 'loose' nodes
are centered between the 'connected' nodes. Maybe add nodes and do it once
again to get them distributed nicely.

Use Ctrl-Alt drag left mouse button to rescale if necessary.

Move the whole roundabout by dragging a way. Or use Select Way Nodes (from
the utilsplugin2 plugin) or adjacent nodes (look in the menu for the key
combination, I mapped that one on 'e'). Then move the whole roundabout by
dragging one of the nodes. All other selected nodes move as well.

If you like to add landuse=village_green for the are in the middle you can
use the Make Parallel copies of ways button. Oddly that doesn't work very
well anymore lately. Worked like a charm before. Of course for the landuse
all ways need to be recombined with 'c'.


Jo

2015-05-15 13:09 GMT+02:00 Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com:

 The old recommendation was to not split roundabouts. It makes it easier
 for the software to see it's a roundabout when it's closed, and it makes
 routing stuff (like counting the exit number) easier.

 However, that recommendation changed on the wiki some years ago (AFAICS,
 without discussion). So now both situations happen (complete roundabout as
 part of a route, and split roundabouts), and tools have to be able to
 handle both situations.

 For me, the disadvantage of split roundabouts is that you can't modify
 them as easily. When it's a complete circle, it's easy to scale it, rotate
 it, and make it perfectly circular. With split roundabouts, this becomes
 harder.

 I still prefer complete circles for most cases.

 Regards,
 Sander

 2015-05-15 12:12 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com:

 Not everybody splits a roundabout for a route, although I usually split
 it. JOSM shows a nice roundabout icon in the route relation editor in case
 you do not split. Routers are probably smart enough to escape the
 roundabout themselves.
 When it is not a roundabout, it is normal to split the street (square),
 just as with a regular street.

 Extend of market place: area:highway is often mentioned to map the extend
 of a street.


 regards


 m

 On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Jakka vdmfrank...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 How do we tag the roundabouts in a relation of hiking route minor
 problem but bicycle routes (knooppunten) and public transport routes  ?
 I cute the roundabouts in pieces highway to highway. Is this the
 properly way?
 But gives the tester prg like http://osma.vmarc.be/  or
 http://analyser.openstreetmap.fr/cgi-bin/index.py?relation=2718669 a
 alert?
 Roundabouts you must take at the right hand.(Europe)
 1 Example south point 03 to north roundabout 5 highways, coming from the
 south leaving first highway to point 28, got a nice line in relation.
 Coming back from the opposite way from point 28 the way must leave at
 the 4 highway to point 03 a have a gap in the relation.
 If the junction=roundabout must be keep to getter you see symbol
 roundabout.
 2 Example what with a large square, marketplace, which cannot be tagged
 as roundabout but still need to drive ride right hand around it?
 situation like first example you have a gap in the relation line.

 On response of Guy question several wikipage were recommended not easy
 to find your way.
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Re: [Talk-GB] Issue with Changeset

2015-05-15 Thread Jason Woollacott
Thanks Paul,  Thought afterwards the changeset doesn't make it completely 
clear what has changed.


This should give people a clear example of what is wrong if you compare 
Geofabrik to OSM Mapnik


http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/#13/50.1362/-5.4414num=4mt0=geofabrikmt1=mapnikmt2=bing-mapmt3=google-map

Thanks

Jason

-Original Message- 
From: Paul Sladen

Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 10:44 AM
To: Talk GB
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Issue with Changeset

On Fri, 15 May 2015, Jason Woollacott wrote:

Looks like there has been an issue with changeset 30821940 Which
seems to have added the A30 through the whole of Cornwall
https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/30821940


Could you describe in slightly more detail /what/ is probably
wrong/broken.  I've skimmed the route, comparing it to other
providers:

 
http://tools.geofabrik.de/mc/#14/50.6104/-4.4456num=4mt0=geofabrikmt1=google-mapmt2=bing-mapmt3=nokia-map

and (positionally) there would appear to be reasonable consistency.
Is it new nodes, or a meta-data issue (eg. swapped with A39); or
something else?

 Caveat emptor: I'm not a local.

-Paul




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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OsmAnd

2015-05-15 Thread Marc Gemis
bedankt. Ik ga er straks eens tijd voor uittrekken om dat rustig te lezen

mvg

m

2015-05-15 13:44 GMT+02:00 Guy Vanvuchelen guy.vanvuche...@gmail.com:

 Omdat we ondervonden hebben dat OsmAnd, een programma is waar veel
 smartphone gebruikers interesse voor hebben, heb ik samen met een collega
 mapper een eenvoudige Nederlandstalige handleiding geschreven. Ze is te
 downloaden op: http://issuu.com/guyvanvuchelen/docs/osmandversie2



 Misschien kan je er iemand mee plezier doen.





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[Talk-us] Making paper maps from a GPX file

2015-05-15 Thread Volker Schmidt
Eric

I have a GPX (and a KML) file of a route that I'd like to make paper maps
 from
 (or at least a PDF) but I haven't been able to find a tool that will do
 that.
 Is anyone aware of a tool that will take a GPX file, grab the necessary OSM
 data and break it into pieces to make a nice atlas from?


If it's a road book type of thing you are after, i.e. many small maps to
follow the track on detailed maps, try Bikemap.net.

The procedure is essentially like this:

   1. open the site
   2. + Create Route
   3. Upload GPX file
   4. Fill in the mandatory fields in the route information
   5. make sure to tick this is a private route
   (create an account and login)
   6. save the route
   7. Open the route you just created
   (your route collection is hidden behind the tiny down arrow next to
   your user name)
   8. print off-line route guide

Volker

(Padova, Italy)
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[Talk-it] congresso speologia e condivisione dati

2015-05-15 Thread Dario Zontini Gmail
Ho letto che a fine maggio c'è il congresso nazionale di speologia [1] 
in provincia di Salerno, con tema condividere i dati .


Visto che l'uso di OSM è un modo per condividere i dati, qualcuno della 
zona riesce a contattarli per poter presentare l'utilizzo di OSM legato 
alla speleologia (almeno per quanto riguarda l'accesso esterno delle 
grotte, la parte sotterranea la vedo più complicata)


[1] http://www.congressospeleo2015.org/

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[OSM-talk-be] learn JOSM with Belgian settings

2015-05-15 Thread Nicolas Pettiaux

Dear all,

I want to learn how to use JOSM and benefit from your work, and use the 
belgian settings whatever this is that as I suppose simplify the 
tasks.


Where would you start from ?
Where can I download the files ?
Any written reference or video to watch ?

Much thanks to you,

Nicolas

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Re: [Talk-it] congresso speologia e condivisione dati

2015-05-15 Thread girarsi_liste
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Il 15/05/2015 14:56, Dario Zontini Gmail ha scritto:
 Ho letto che a fine maggio c'è il congresso nazionale di speologia
 [1] in provincia di Salerno, con tema condividere i dati .
 
 Visto che l'uso di OSM è un modo per condividere i dati, qualcuno
 della zona riesce a contattarli per poter presentare l'utilizzo di
 OSM legato alla speleologia (almeno per quanto riguarda l'accesso
 esterno delle grotte, la parte sotterranea la vedo più complicata)
 
 [1] http://www.congressospeleo2015.org/
 

Sono sempre dati cartografici, e poi può essere un nuovo modo per
creare tag appositi, oltretutto ci sono le altimetrie.

Non ci son tracciati gpx è vero, ma a paragone, mi rendo conto
azzardato, con l'arrampicata non ci sono meno problemi di definizione
dei tag.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Osmand en JOSM

2015-05-15 Thread André Pirard
On 2015-05-15 13:58, Guy Vanvuchelen wrote :

 JOSM: versie:8339

  

 A track in attachement.

OK, but you still don't reply the questions:

 I'm doing this and I see that.

Answer #2  is JOSM (mine 8109) issuing message
 Could not read file '2015-05-09_09-43_za.gpx'. Error is: null
The reason is that your GPX file contains references to .3gp video files
for some waypoints like
   wpt lat=... lon=...
 ...
name0EKtetAj---1.3gp/name
 link link=0EKtetAj---1.3gp /
   /wpt
but (probably) that there are no such files next to the .gpx file.
I ran the following filter
 perl -pe 's/link link=.* \///' 2015*.gpx fixed.gpx
to remove the link tags and fixed.gpx loaded fine into JOSM.

My Answer #2 is : 1) I created a route, 2) I opened Route details 3) I
clicked the share icon
and the produced file contains no links and loads fine.

You must see if your secret method to produce the GPX file has a way not
to contain the links, e.g. to have no videos attached, or try to move
the .3gp files alongside the .gpx.

You may send a summary of this reply as a JOSM ticket, they will
probably think it's a bug and fix it.

Hoping this will help,

Cheers

André.




  

  

 Thanks

  

 Guy Vanvuchelen

  

 *Van:*André Pirard [mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com]
 *Verzonden:* vrijdag 15 mei 2015 12:29
 *Aan:* OpenStreetMap Belgium
 *CC:* Guy Vanvuchelen
 *Onderwerp:* Re: [OSM-talk-be] Osmand en JOSM

  

 On 2015-05-15 08:21, Guy Vanvuchelen wrote :

 I am using:

 Smartphone Sony Xperia  model: ST21i

 Android-version: 4.0.4

 OsmAnd: 2.0.1 (2015-04-28)  with the earlier version (1.9)  it
 works perfect.

 What is the JOSM version?

 I'm doing this and I see that.

 How (which menus) do you produce the GPX file? What does JOSM when you
 load the file?

 Maybe the shortest path is to send me privately a GPX file that
 doesn't load.
 I'll try to load it and try the figure the difference with what you do.

 Cheers

 André.







  

  

  

 Guy Vanvuchelen

  

 *Van:*André Pirard [mailto:a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com]
 *Verzonden:* vrijdag 15 mei 2015 4:37
 *Aan:* OpenStreetMap Belgium
 *Onderwerp:* Re: [OSM-talk-be] Osmand en JOSM

  

 On 2015-05-14 17:28, Guy Vanvuchelen wrote :

 Sinds enkele dagen kan ik een GPX bestand dat gemaakt werd met
 Osmand niet meer rechtstreeks inladen in JOSM. Vroeger lukte dat wel.

 Als ik op de website http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/convert_input
 het GPX bestand inlees en terug bewaar als GPX bestand dan kan
 JOSM er ineens wel overweg mee.

 Ik hoorde van een collega mapper dat hij vandaag hetzelfde
 probleem ondervonden heeft. Weet iemand de oplossing of oorzaak?

  

 Ouch, my Thunderbird translator seems to be out of its mind. Google
 Translate speaking:


 For severaldays I a GPX file that was created with OsmAnd not directly
 loading into JOSM. Previously it was more feasible.

 When I'm on the website http://www.gpsvisualizer.com/convert_input GPX
 file read-in and back save as GPX file, then JOSM can handle it there
 once.

 I heard from a colleague mapper that he has encountered the same
 problem today. Does anyone know the solution or cause?

 No problem here to load an Osmand GPX file in JOSM.
 But the best method to describe a problem is I'm using version X of
 this and that, I'm doing this and I see that.
 If you do so, I might be able to compare and help you.

 Cheers

 André.

  

  


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Tagger une place

2015-05-15 Thread Xavier Cremaschi
Ok merci, je vais faire comme ça alors. Il y a une petite surface 
piétonne en face de l'école (pas encore taggée), mais sinon c'est vrai 
que c'est surtout un carrefour (malgré les panneaux Place Guynemer... 
c'était peut-être une place avant)


Xavier.

Le 15/05/2015 10:48, George Kaplan a écrit :

Bonjour,

Au vu de l'imagerie aérienne, cette place n'en est pas vraiment : impossible de 
s'y déplacer à pied ou dans un véhicule dans toutes les directions. C'est un 
nom donné à l'intersection des routes.
Dans ce cas, il faut supprimer l'objet surfacique et poser le tag junction=yes 
et le nom sur le croisement des routes.

Osmose se plaint avec raison car area=yes tout seul ne décrit pas la nature de 
l'objet.

George

Le 15 mai 2015 à 09:36, Xavier Cremaschi omega.xav...@gmail.com a écrit :


Bonjour,
comment tagger la place Guynemer ici :
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/100540244#map=19/43.58054/7.12220
selon vous ?

osmose se plaint d'un area=yes sur un objet sans nature, mais contrairement 
aux places du genre highway=pedestrian/area=yes, celle-ci n'a rien de piétonne (et 
highway=residential en ferait une énorme route non ?)

Donc quel est selon vous le tag manquant pour la qualifier ? J'ai toujours du 
mal avec les places ça reste assez nébuleux selon les cas... Une relation 
comprenant plein de morceaux de route ?

Xavier.

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Re: [Talk-it] OSM ha abbandonato l'indoor?

2015-05-15 Thread Aury88
quello di Max credo di si, il tuo Martin non me lo ricordo e quindi non so se
l'ho conteggiato...
l'11 deriva da un contaggio approssimativo fatto tramite un tool online di
visualizzazione degli elementi indoor in osm. in quel caso caricando gli
edifici con dati indoor in Italia mi erano uscite un 11 icone segno di 11
edifici con lo stile di mappatura indoorOSM



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[OSM-talk-be] Relation knooppunten Who can explain what we see and what can be done?

2015-05-15 Thread Jakka

Who kan explain what we see and what can be done?

Realdata
http://osma.vmarc.be/route/1617069

Structure:
forward=(43 - 54 via + 43 - 109643277 - 101716647 - 28679541 + 
101716652 + 101716655 + 195807258 + 233963107 + 233963106 - 
28679457 - 117046950 - 28679431 - 28462213 + 28503279 + 
30643717 - 28896034 + 28462396 + 322946540 + 28679315 + 
78794140 + 138131478 + 28512850 + 78794128 + 78794124 + 
101507059 + 30013082 +  - 54 41662567)


backward=(54 - None [broken] via -  - 54 41662567 - 30013082 - 
101507059 - 78794124 + 28960258 + 78794134 - 138131478 - 
78794140 - 28679315 - 322946540 - 28462396 + 28896034)


Feiten:
NoBackwardPath	Er is geen verbinding van het eindknooppunt naar het 
startknooppunt (terug weg).



 screenshot will delete this next week

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dpiqhrjcklt6f1b/osma_vmarc.be_route_1617069.png?dl=0
https://www.dropbox.com/s/y9qxn0ocv8o994n/Relaition_josm_43_54.png?dl=0



Met vriendelijke groeten,

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] learn JOSM with Belgian settings

2015-05-15 Thread Marc Gemis
There is not a lot that is special for Belgium. The most important that I
can think of is road related, see
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Eimai/Belgian_Roads
There are some also conventions on
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions, see the
subpages in the links on the right.

I made a JOSM preset for stuff that I map often. An example is the preset
for a chapel, which fill in the denomination and religion for
roman-catholic. It's just a shortcut, not really a special way of tagging
in Belgium.



regards

m

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.be
wrote:

 Dear all,

 I want to learn how to use JOSM and benefit from your work, and use the
 belgian settings whatever this is that as I suppose simplify the tasks.

 Where would you start from ?
 Where can I download the files ?
 Any written reference or video to watch ?

 Much thanks to you,

 Nicolas

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Re: [Talk-lv] Rīgas adrešu punktu imports no opendata.riga.lv

2015-05-15 Thread Gasha

Kautkā atcerējos trolejbusā noklausītu sarunu:

Ti vihodish na ulice Krasnoj Voroni ?

Man labs laiciņš pagāja, kamēr sapratu, bet pie vainas ir saīsinājums uz 
tablo. Krišjānis  Kr.


Gasha

On 05/15/2015 03:19 PM, Rich wrote:

On 15/05/15 15:10, Janis Elmeris wrote:

Bet jautājums jau tev nebija gluži par ielas nosaukumu. :)

nu ja iela nosaukta personas vārdā, tad it kā būtu pieklājīgi to darīt
pareizi.
Križjāņa Voldemāra iela tač nebūtu pareizi :)


Jānis

On 15.05.2015. 12:20, Rich wrote:

On 15/05/15 11:45, Rich wrote:
...

2) Uzsākot apkopot kādas ielas ir OSM, bet nav opendata.riga.lv sākot ar
A burtu atrādu diezgan specifisko kļūdu(?): opendata.riga.lv, RIĢIS un
laikam uz plāksnītēm ir Aristida Briāna iela (otrais i ir bez
garumzīmes), bet gan OSM (Aristīda Briāna iela), gan tīmekļa lapās
(piem: wikipedia), ir rakstīts Aristīds Briāns (otrais i ar garumzīmi).
Ko gan darīt nezinu :-) Laikam ir jāņem tā, kā tas ir adrešu katalogā?
Domāju, ka tādas vēl būs.

jā, šis ir interesanti. piedāvāju pagaidām šo ielu neaiztikt un, ja ir
citi gadījumi, tos pētīt atsevišķi.
jāprasa vvc :)

vvc saka - ar garo ir pareizi.
https://twitter.com/_vvc/status/599138651038154753



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OsmAnd

2015-05-15 Thread Jakka

Merci om dit met mij te willen delen.

Marc Gemis schreef op 15/05/2015 om 14:11:

bedankt. Ik ga er straks eens tijd voor uittrekken om dat rustig te lezen

mvg

m

2015-05-15 13:44 GMT+02:00 Guy Vanvuchelen
guy.vanvuche...@gmail.com
mailto:guy.vanvuche...@gmail.com:

Omdat we ondervonden hebben dat OsmAnd, een programma is waar veel
smartphone gebruikers interesse voor hebben, heb ik samen met een
collega mapper een eenvoudige Nederlandstalige handleiding
geschreven. Ze is te downloaden op:
http://issuu.com/guyvanvuchelen/docs/osmandversie2

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Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Mapping high tension power lines in Nepal

2015-05-15 Thread François Lacombe
Hi Pierre,

I will take a look at it this evening.

Is there a live discussion taking place on IRC or wherever else than HOT ML
to get other contributors in touch ?
I'm not so at ease with HOT organisation.

It would be great to do this collectively and share the experience around
tagging schema.

Cheers from Lyon ;)

François
Le 15 mai 2015 17:08, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr a écrit :

 Hi François

 We need various expertises to answer quickly and produce data of quality
 It would be great if you could extract the Nepal powers in the area of the
 response around Kathmandu and revise the tagging schema.
 And  say Bonjour to the OSM Lyon contributors meeting at the charming Chez
 Thibault café.

 regard

 Pierre

   --
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 *À :* Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com
 *Cc :* HOT@OSM (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team) h...@openstreetmap.org;
 OSM talk@openstreetmap.org; Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com;
 OpenStreetMap in India talk...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap
 Community in Nepal talk...@openstreetmap.org
 *Envoyé le :* Vendredi 15 mai 2015 6h26
 *Objet :* Re: [HOT] [OSM-talk] Mapping high tension power lines in Nepal

 Hi,

 The power generation model was refined in 2013 and include some
 distinction between a power plant and a power generator.
 It would be convenient and sustainable to take care of this for this
 concern.

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_generation_refinement

 Power generator only regard any kind of device which convert energy from
 one sort to another. It should be mapped with power=generator
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dgenerator

 Power plant is the whole site and can be mapped with an area or a relation
 if the power plant isn't enclosed with a fence (which is often the case for
 hydro power plant).
 power=plant is the tag currently approved.
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dplant


 The hydropower_project tag may be redundant with power=plant.
 Currently, it may be useful to map power=plant sites features only.
 Generators are supplementary information only used by specialized mappers.

 It would be great to don't use any other custom power=* value to allow the
 largest amount of mapper to work with these datas.

 I'll add some in my spare time.

 All the best


 *François Lacombe*

 fl dot infosreseaux At gmail dot com
 www.infos-reseaux.com
 @InfosReseaux http://www.twitter.com/InfosReseaux



 2015-05-14 17:23 GMT+02:00 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com:

 Fyi, user GautamPratik already started entering some hydro sites using the
 tag hydropower_project:name. Here's a search for that:
 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9lJ

 And one for power=generator generally in Nepal:
 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9lN

 Cheers, Brad

 On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Steve Bower sbo...@gmavt.net wrote:

 The Nepal Electric Authority would likely already have such a map, or
 relevant data:
 http://www.nea.org.np/

 Page 106 of their annual plan has a transmission line map:
 http://www.nea.org.np/images/supportive_docs/Annual%20Report-2014.pdf

 I did not find anything better in a quick search of their web site, but
 they could probably provide something.

 Steve


 On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:26 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com
 wrote:

 Hi,

 As you may know, helicopters play a critical role in bringing help to
 Nepalese people affected by April 25 7.8 earthquake, and May 12 7.4
 aftershock, with roads blocked or made dangerous by landslides and
 unstable terrain.

 A USMC helicopter that was taking part in this effort is missing since
 May 12. Other helicopters involved in the search and rescue mission
 report that: A primary concern for ongoing search and rescue efforts is
 unmarked high tension power lines, which have been reported and bisect
 many of the valleys in the search area.

 Some high tension power lines have already been mapped
 (http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9lx , passed along to those conducting the
 searches). Starting from electrical dams makes it easier to spot them.

 If mappers experienced at mapping power lines could give a hand, this
 would be great. (Or others willing to learn, like me :) ).

 Bing is available for large parts of Nepal. A focus for current search
 and rescue effort is around Ghorthali (27.7517 N  86.0342 E) from where
 a Nepalese local reported seeing a helicopter crash. But of course high
 tension power lines would also be nice to have for Sindhupalchowk,
 Dolakha and other affected districts (see
 http://kathmandulivinglabs.github.io/quake-maps/).

 (Please download and upload OSM data often, in case other mappers work
 on the same theme).

 Thanks,

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Re: [Talk-in] Id editor on Bhuvan

2015-05-15 Thread Ishan Chattopadhyaya
Bhuvan has a TMS/WMS layer, iirc, which can be used with JOSM.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:35 PM, GN nagar...@gnowledge.org wrote:

 We checked Bhuvan today to get some idea.  We found that they also use
 Id editor for community contributions.

 We are trying to get the high resolution satellite maps from ISRO for
 school and college mapping projects that we are currently doing.

 If openstreetmap.in would like to get the satellite maps from
 Bhuvan/ISRO, what do we need from them?  Do they have an API to pull
 them as background maps?  We may need them mostly while editing.  Since
 Id editor is already used by them, I am wondering they may already be
 using OSM software stack.

 Was there any history of osm community seeking data from ISRO?

 suggestions and tips welcome!
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Re: [OSM-talk] Mapping high tension power lines in Nepal

2015-05-15 Thread Lester Caine
ian atkinson atkin...@hotmail.com

Is over there now on a 4 week secondment, but we did not have time to
get him up to speed before he went ... He get told last week end and
flew out on the 12th. But being a mapper he may be a useful pair of eyes
on the ground ...

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Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Mapping high tension power lines in Nepal

2015-05-15 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Francois, I'm aware of all that, I was just mentioning that unusual tag
because it was relevant in the current context. GautamPratik has not made
any changesets since the earthquake (
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/GautamPratik/history), but maybe you
could send a message so if they do have a chance to get back to mapping
hydropower in the future, you could help them to use better tagging.
Cheers, Brad

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 5:26 AM, François Lacombe fl.infosrese...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi,

 The power generation model was refined in 2013 and include some
 distinction between a power plant and a power generator.
 It would be convenient and sustainable to take care of this for this
 concern.

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_generation_refinement

 Power generator only regard any kind of device which convert energy from
 one sort to another. It should be mapped with power=generator
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dgenerator

 Power plant is the whole site and can be mapped with an area or a relation
 if the power plant isn't enclosed with a fence (which is often the case for
 hydro power plant).
 power=plant is the tag currently approved.
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dplant


 The hydropower_project tag may be redundant with power=plant.
 Currently, it may be useful to map power=plant sites features only.
 Generators are supplementary information only used by specialized mappers.

 It would be great to don't use any other custom power=* value to allow the
 largest amount of mapper to work with these datas.

 I'll add some in my spare time.

 All the best


 *François Lacombe*

 fl dot infosreseaux At gmail dot com
 www.infos-reseaux.com
 @InfosReseaux http://www.twitter.com/InfosReseaux

 2015-05-14 17:23 GMT+02:00 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com:

 Fyi, user GautamPratik already started entering some hydro sites using
 the tag hydropower_project:name. Here's a search for that:
 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9lJ

 And one for power=generator generally in Nepal:
 http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9lN

 Cheers, Brad

 On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Steve Bower sbo...@gmavt.net wrote:

 The Nepal Electric Authority would likely already have such a map, or
 relevant data:
 http://www.nea.org.np/

 Page 106 of their annual plan has a transmission line map:
 http://www.nea.org.np/images/supportive_docs/Annual%20Report-2014.pdf

 I did not find anything better in a quick search of their web site, but
 they could probably provide something.

 Steve


 On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:26 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com
 wrote:

 Hi,

 As you may know, helicopters play a critical role in bringing help to
 Nepalese people affected by April 25 7.8 earthquake, and May 12 7.4
 aftershock, with roads blocked or made dangerous by landslides and
 unstable terrain.

 A USMC helicopter that was taking part in this effort is missing since
 May 12. Other helicopters involved in the search and rescue mission
 report that: A primary concern for ongoing search and rescue efforts is
 unmarked high tension power lines, which have been reported and bisect
 many of the valleys in the search area.

 Some high tension power lines have already been mapped
 (http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9lx , passed along to those conducting the
 searches). Starting from electrical dams makes it easier to spot them.

 If mappers experienced at mapping power lines could give a hand, this
 would be great. (Or others willing to learn, like me :) ).

 Bing is available for large parts of Nepal. A focus for current search
 and rescue effort is around Ghorthali (27.7517 N  86.0342 E) from where
 a Nepalese local reported seeing a helicopter crash. But of course high
 tension power lines would also be nice to have for Sindhupalchowk,
 Dolakha and other affected districts (see
 http://kathmandulivinglabs.github.io/quake-maps/).

 (Please download and upload OSM data often, in case other mappers work
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] learn JOSM with Belgian settings

2015-05-15 Thread Jo
The advantage of these shortcuts (presents) is ithat it is easy to add
buttons for them on the toolbar.

Jo
On May 15, 2015 3:55 PM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote:

 There is not a lot that is special for Belgium. The most important that I
 can think of is road related, see
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Eimai/Belgian_Roads
 There are some also conventions on
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions, see
 the subpages in the links on the right.

 I made a JOSM preset for stuff that I map often. An example is the preset
 for a chapel, which fill in the denomination and religion for
 roman-catholic. It's just a shortcut, not really a special way of tagging
 in Belgium.



 regards

 m

 On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 3:13 PM, Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.be
 wrote:

 Dear all,

 I want to learn how to use JOSM and benefit from your work, and use the
 belgian settings whatever this is that as I suppose simplify the tasks.

 Where would you start from ?
 Where can I download the files ?
 Any written reference or video to watch ?

 Much thanks to you,

 Nicolas

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[Talk-us] request to revert changeset

2015-05-15 Thread Ed Hillsman
How do I request to revert a changeset? This morning I went into Potlatch 2 to 
do some editing, and I noticed a park lot of streets were missing in long 
narrow east-west area. The features still showed as missing after making a 
number of changes in zoom and panning along the window. So, without looking at 
the rendered map (I’ll do this if it ever happens again), I added the missing 
features back. Upon closing the changeset, I noticed what looked like original 
data (a tag value I couldn’t add back without making a site visit to the area). 
When I then re-opened the editor, I found the missing data along with what I 
had just added.

The changeset number is 31177943, titled retrace/add a number of streets 
mysteriously deleated, Matthew Avenue NW and viciinity, an east-west window.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Carte des nouvelles contributions au Népal

2015-05-15 Thread Pierre Béland
Tu as devancé ma requête! Cela vaut bien un petit 
remerciement.https://twitter.com/pierzen/status/599232884982026241
Un grand merci 
 
Pierre 

  De : Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr
 À : Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr; Discussions sur OSM en français 
talk-fr@openstreetmap.org 
 Envoyé le : Vendredi 15 mai 2015 11h12
 Objet : Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Carte des nouvelles contributions au Népal
   
Le 15 mai 2015 16:55, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr a écrit :


J'ai donné ton nom comme contact et suis très content de voir cette 
visualisation des contributios avec carte en relief. Super comme à l'habitude.


C'est en ligne, un peu brut de décoffrage: 
http://osm.cquest.org/nepal/#11/27.6832/85.3528 
Sûr que les népalais ne sont pas sortis d'affaire... le relief pose plus d'un 
problème avec les glissements de terrain prévisibles avec la mousson.J'ai pu 
apprécier le relief en cartographiant sur des zones où les cultures en terrasse 
font penser à des courbes de niveau, ce qui aidait pas mal pour suivre les 
chemins...
Pour info, pour distinguer les nouveaux objets, je me suis simplement basé sur 
leur ID.


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Relation knooppunten Who can explain what we see and what can be done?

2015-05-15 Thread Marc Gemis
Molenstraat is eenrichtingsverkeer. Je kan dus met de huidige tagging niet
van eindpunt naar beginpunt rijden. Toevoegen oneway:bicycle=no indien
fietsers er daadwerkelijk in beide richtingen door mogen rijden. Anders
Tourisme Vlaanderen contacteren :-)


mvg

m

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Jakka vdmfrank...@gmail.com wrote:

 Who kan explain what we see and what can be done?

 Realdata
 http://osma.vmarc.be/route/1617069

 Structure:
 forward=(43 - 54 via + 43 - 109643277 - 101716647 - 28679541 +
 101716652 + 101716655 + 195807258 + 233963107 + 233963106 -
 28679457 - 117046950 - 28679431 - 28462213 + 28503279 +
 30643717 - 28896034 + 28462396 + 322946540 + 28679315 +
 78794140 + 138131478 + 28512850 + 78794128 + 78794124 +
 101507059 + 30013082 +  - 54 41662567)

 backward=(54 - None [broken] via -  - 54 41662567 - 30013082 -
 101507059 - 78794124 + 28960258 + 78794134 - 138131478 -
 78794140 - 28679315 - 322946540 - 28462396 + 28896034)

 Feiten:
 NoBackwardPath  Er is geen verbinding van het eindknooppunt naar het
 startknooppunt (terug weg).


  screenshot will delete this next week


 https://www.dropbox.com/s/dpiqhrjcklt6f1b/osma_vmarc.be_route_1617069.png?dl=0
 https://www.dropbox.com/s/y9qxn0ocv8o994n/Relaition_josm_43_54.png?dl=0



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Re: [Talk-in] [HOT] [OSM-talk] Mapping high tension power lines in Nepal

2015-05-15 Thread Pierre Béland
Hi François,
See #hot irc where discussions are going on for Nepal.

Cheers 
 
Pierre 

  De : François Lacombe fl.infosrese...@gmail.com
 À : Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr 
Cc : OpenStreetMap Community in Nepal talk...@openstreetmap.org; 
OpenStreetMap in India talk-in@openstreetmap.org; Jean-Guilhem Cailton 
j...@arkemie.com; OSM t...@openstreetmap.org; HOT@OSM (Humanitarian 
OpenStreetMap Team) h...@openstreetmap.org; Brad Neuhauser 
brad.neuhau...@gmail.com 
 Envoyé le : Vendredi 15 mai 2015 11h39
 Objet : Re: [HOT] [OSM-talk] Mapping high tension power lines in Nepal
   


Hi Pierre,I will take a look at it this evening.Is there a live discussion 
taking place on IRC or wherever else than HOT ML to get other contributors in 
touch ?
I'm not so at ease with HOT organisation.It would be great to do this 
collectively and share the experience around tagging schema.Cheers from Lyon 
;)François

Le 15 mai 2015 17:08, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr a écrit :

Hi François
We need various expertises to answer quickly and produce data of quality It 
would be great if you could extract the Nepal powers in the area of the 
response around Kathmandu and revise the tagging schema.
And  say Bonjour to the OSM Lyon contributors meeting at the charming Chez 
Thibault café.
regard
 
Pierre 

  De : François Lacombe fl.infosrese...@gmail.com
 À : Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com 
Cc : HOT@OSM (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team) h...@openstreetmap.org; OSM 
t...@openstreetmap.org; Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com; 
OpenStreetMap in India talk-in@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap Community in 
Nepal talk...@openstreetmap.org 
 Envoyé le : Vendredi 15 mai 2015 6h26
 Objet : Re: [HOT] [OSM-talk] Mapping high tension power lines in Nepal
   
Hi,

The power generation model was refined in 2013 and include some distinction 
between a power plant and a power generator.
It would be convenient and sustainable to take care of this for this concern.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_generation_refinement

Power generator only regard any kind of device which convert energy from one 
sort to another. It should be mapped with power=generator
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dgenerator

Power plant is the whole site and can be mapped with an area or a relation if 
the power plant isn't enclosed with a fence (which is often the case for hydro 
power plant).
power=plant is the tag currently approved.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dplant


The hydropower_project tag may be redundant with power=plant.
Currently, it may be useful to map power=plant sites features only. Generators 
are supplementary information only used by specialized mappers.

It would be great to don't use any other custom power=* value to allow the 
largest amount of mapper to work with these datas.

I'll add some in my spare time.

All the best


François Lacombe

fl dot infosreseaux At gmail dot com
www.infos-reseaux.com
@InfosReseaux


2015-05-14 17:23 GMT+02:00 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com:

Fyi, user GautamPratik already started entering some hydro sites using the tag 
hydropower_project:name. Here's a search for that: 
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9lJ 

And one for power=generator generally in Nepal: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9lN

Cheers, Brad

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Steve Bower sbo...@gmavt.net wrote:

The Nepal Electric Authority would likely already have such a map, or relevant 
data:http://www.nea.org.np/

Page 106 of their annual plan has a transmission line 
map:http://www.nea.org.np/images/supportive_docs/Annual%20Report-2014.pdf

I did not find anything better in a quick search of their web site, but they 
could probably provide something.
Steve

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:26 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com wrote:

Hi,

As you may know, helicopters play a critical role in bringing help to
Nepalese people affected by April 25 7.8 earthquake, and May 12 7.4
aftershock, with roads blocked or made dangerous by landslides and
unstable terrain.

A USMC helicopter that was taking part in this effort is missing since
May 12. Other helicopters involved in the search and rescue mission
report that: A primary concern for ongoing search and rescue efforts is
unmarked high tension power lines, which have been reported and bisect
many of the valleys in the search area.

Some high tension power lines have already been mapped
(http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9lx , passed along to those conducting the
searches). Starting from electrical dams makes it easier to spot them.

If mappers experienced at mapping power lines could give a hand, this
would be great. (Or others willing to learn, like me :) ).

Bing is available for large parts of Nepal. A focus for current search
and rescue effort is around Ghorthali (27.7517 N  86.0342 E) from where
a Nepalese local reported seeing a helicopter crash. But of course high
tension power lines would also be nice to have for Sindhupalchowk,

[Talk-in] Id editor on Bhuvan

2015-05-15 Thread GN
We checked Bhuvan today to get some idea.  We found that they also use
Id editor for community contributions. 

We are trying to get the high resolution satellite maps from ISRO for
school and college mapping projects that we are currently doing. 

If openstreetmap.in would like to get the satellite maps from
Bhuvan/ISRO, what do we need from them?  Do they have an API to pull
them as background maps?  We may need them mostly while editing.  Since
Id editor is already used by them, I am wondering they may already be
using OSM software stack. 

Was there any history of osm community seeking data from ISRO?

suggestions and tips welcome!
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Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Mapping high tension power lines in Nepal

2015-05-15 Thread Pierre Béland
Hi François
We need various expertises to answer quickly and produce data of quality It 
would be great if you could extract the Nepal powers in the area of the 
response around Kathmandu and revise the tagging schema.
And  say Bonjour to the OSM Lyon contributors meeting at the charming Chez 
Thibault café.
regard
 
Pierre 

  De : François Lacombe fl.infosrese...@gmail.com
 À : Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com 
Cc : HOT@OSM (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team) h...@openstreetmap.org; OSM 
talk@openstreetmap.org; Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com; 
OpenStreetMap in India talk...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap Community in 
Nepal talk...@openstreetmap.org 
 Envoyé le : Vendredi 15 mai 2015 6h26
 Objet : Re: [HOT] [OSM-talk] Mapping high tension power lines in Nepal
   
Hi,

The power generation model was refined in 2013 and include some distinction 
between a power plant and a power generator.
It would be convenient and sustainable to take care of this for this concern.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_generation_refinement

Power generator only regard any kind of device which convert energy from one 
sort to another. It should be mapped with power=generator
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dgenerator

Power plant is the whole site and can be mapped with an area or a relation if 
the power plant isn't enclosed with a fence (which is often the case for hydro 
power plant).
power=plant is the tag currently approved.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dplant


The hydropower_project tag may be redundant with power=plant.
Currently, it may be useful to map power=plant sites features only. Generators 
are supplementary information only used by specialized mappers.

It would be great to don't use any other custom power=* value to allow the 
largest amount of mapper to work with these datas.

I'll add some in my spare time.

All the best


François Lacombe

fl dot infosreseaux At gmail dot com
www.infos-reseaux.com
@InfosReseaux


2015-05-14 17:23 GMT+02:00 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com:

Fyi, user GautamPratik already started entering some hydro sites using the tag 
hydropower_project:name. Here's a search for that: 
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9lJ 

And one for power=generator generally in Nepal: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9lN

Cheers, Brad

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Steve Bower sbo...@gmavt.net wrote:

The Nepal Electric Authority would likely already have such a map, or relevant 
data:http://www.nea.org.np/

Page 106 of their annual plan has a transmission line 
map:http://www.nea.org.np/images/supportive_docs/Annual%20Report-2014.pdf

I did not find anything better in a quick search of their web site, but they 
could probably provide something.
Steve

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:26 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com wrote:

Hi,

As you may know, helicopters play a critical role in bringing help to
Nepalese people affected by April 25 7.8 earthquake, and May 12 7.4
aftershock, with roads blocked or made dangerous by landslides and
unstable terrain.

A USMC helicopter that was taking part in this effort is missing since
May 12. Other helicopters involved in the search and rescue mission
report that: A primary concern for ongoing search and rescue efforts is
unmarked high tension power lines, which have been reported and bisect
many of the valleys in the search area.

Some high tension power lines have already been mapped
(http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9lx , passed along to those conducting the
searches). Starting from electrical dams makes it easier to spot them.

If mappers experienced at mapping power lines could give a hand, this
would be great. (Or others willing to learn, like me :) ).

Bing is available for large parts of Nepal. A focus for current search
and rescue effort is around Ghorthali (27.7517 N  86.0342 E) from where
a Nepalese local reported seeing a helicopter crash. But of course high
tension power lines would also be nice to have for Sindhupalchowk,
Dolakha and other affected districts (see
http://kathmandulivinglabs.github.io/quake-maps/).

(Please download and upload OSM data often, in case other mappers work
on the same theme).

Thanks,

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Re: [Talk-at] Kleingartenvereine

2015-05-15 Thread Norbert Wenzel
On 05/15/2015 05:05 PM, Walter Schlögl wrote:
 Es gibt noch eine andere Abkürzung: KLG

Wenn wir Abkürzungen sammeln, dann gäbe es auch KGA. Wobei die KGA die
ich kenne auch durch den Edit erfasst wurde und in Kleingartenverein
umbenannt wurde. Die Frage ist ob dann nicht wenigstens
Kleingartenanlage (ich nehme an d.h. KGA) richtiger wäre.

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Re: [OSM-talk] [HOT] Mapping high tension power lines in Nepal

2015-05-15 Thread Pierre Béland
Hi François,
See #hot irc where discussions are going on for Nepal.

Cheers 
 
Pierre 

  De : François Lacombe fl.infosrese...@gmail.com
 À : Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr 
Cc : OpenStreetMap Community in Nepal talk...@openstreetmap.org; 
OpenStreetMap in India talk...@openstreetmap.org; Jean-Guilhem Cailton 
j...@arkemie.com; OSM talk@openstreetmap.org; HOT@OSM (Humanitarian 
OpenStreetMap Team) h...@openstreetmap.org; Brad Neuhauser 
brad.neuhau...@gmail.com 
 Envoyé le : Vendredi 15 mai 2015 11h39
 Objet : Re: [HOT] [OSM-talk] Mapping high tension power lines in Nepal
   


Hi Pierre,I will take a look at it this evening.Is there a live discussion 
taking place on IRC or wherever else than HOT ML to get other contributors in 
touch ?
I'm not so at ease with HOT organisation.It would be great to do this 
collectively and share the experience around tagging schema.Cheers from Lyon 
;)François

Le 15 mai 2015 17:08, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr a écrit :

Hi François
We need various expertises to answer quickly and produce data of quality It 
would be great if you could extract the Nepal powers in the area of the 
response around Kathmandu and revise the tagging schema.
And  say Bonjour to the OSM Lyon contributors meeting at the charming Chez 
Thibault café.
regard
 
Pierre 

  De : François Lacombe fl.infosrese...@gmail.com
 À : Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com 
Cc : HOT@OSM (Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team) h...@openstreetmap.org; OSM 
talk@openstreetmap.org; Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com; 
OpenStreetMap in India talk...@openstreetmap.org; OpenStreetMap Community in 
Nepal talk...@openstreetmap.org 
 Envoyé le : Vendredi 15 mai 2015 6h26
 Objet : Re: [HOT] [OSM-talk] Mapping high tension power lines in Nepal
   
Hi,

The power generation model was refined in 2013 and include some distinction 
between a power plant and a power generator.
It would be convenient and sustainable to take care of this for this concern.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_generation_refinement

Power generator only regard any kind of device which convert energy from one 
sort to another. It should be mapped with power=generator
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dgenerator

Power plant is the whole site and can be mapped with an area or a relation if 
the power plant isn't enclosed with a fence (which is often the case for hydro 
power plant).
power=plant is the tag currently approved.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:power%3Dplant


The hydropower_project tag may be redundant with power=plant.
Currently, it may be useful to map power=plant sites features only. Generators 
are supplementary information only used by specialized mappers.

It would be great to don't use any other custom power=* value to allow the 
largest amount of mapper to work with these datas.

I'll add some in my spare time.

All the best


François Lacombe

fl dot infosreseaux At gmail dot com
www.infos-reseaux.com
@InfosReseaux


2015-05-14 17:23 GMT+02:00 Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com:

Fyi, user GautamPratik already started entering some hydro sites using the tag 
hydropower_project:name. Here's a search for that: 
http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9lJ 

And one for power=generator generally in Nepal: http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9lN

Cheers, Brad

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 9:03 AM, Steve Bower sbo...@gmavt.net wrote:

The Nepal Electric Authority would likely already have such a map, or relevant 
data:http://www.nea.org.np/

Page 106 of their annual plan has a transmission line 
map:http://www.nea.org.np/images/supportive_docs/Annual%20Report-2014.pdf

I did not find anything better in a quick search of their web site, but they 
could probably provide something.
Steve

On Thu, May 14, 2015 at 7:26 AM, Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.com wrote:

Hi,

As you may know, helicopters play a critical role in bringing help to
Nepalese people affected by April 25 7.8 earthquake, and May 12 7.4
aftershock, with roads blocked or made dangerous by landslides and
unstable terrain.

A USMC helicopter that was taking part in this effort is missing since
May 12. Other helicopters involved in the search and rescue mission
report that: A primary concern for ongoing search and rescue efforts is
unmarked high tension power lines, which have been reported and bisect
many of the valleys in the search area.

Some high tension power lines have already been mapped
(http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9lx , passed along to those conducting the
searches). Starting from electrical dams makes it easier to spot them.

If mappers experienced at mapping power lines could give a hand, this
would be great. (Or others willing to learn, like me :) ).

Bing is available for large parts of Nepal. A focus for current search
and rescue effort is around Ghorthali (27.7517 N  86.0342 E) from where
a Nepalese local reported seeing a helicopter crash. But of course high
tension power lines would also be nice to have for Sindhupalchowk,

Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries

2015-05-15 Thread Killian Driscoll
I can't see the orig OS maps here http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/oocmaps.html
for the Beggerin Island area. Are they available?

Killian Driscoll
Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
Département d'anthropologie
Université de Montréal

umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll
www.lithicsireland.ie
ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll

On 15 May 2015 at 17:36, Killian Driscoll killiandrisc...@gmail.com wrote:

 I guess the point is 'Inishfale Island' was never an official townland (at
 least the name doesn't turn up on the online databases, I don't have access
 to the print copy): the sites and monuments record uses 'Inisfale Island'
 as the name. Is/was Beggerin Island a townland?

 Killian Driscoll
 Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
 Département d'anthropologie
 Université de Montréal

 umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll
 www.lithicsireland.ie
 ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll

 On 15 May 2015 at 17:25, Donal Diamond donal.diam...@gmail.com wrote:

 On 15 May 2015 at 20:49, Killian Driscoll killiandrisc...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 
  At the SW side of Lough Allen the pre-drainage scheme lake level
 contained
  an island called Inishfale Island with the townland of Derrynadooey to
 the
  west. This contains a national monument RO002-028 (
  http://webgis.archaeology.ie/NationalMonuments/FlexViewer/) which is
  listed
  as townland: Inishfale Island; you can see that the map the national
  monuments is using respects the pre-drainage shoreline townland outline.
  The traced townland on the osm
 
 
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=54.0715mlon=-8.0517#map=16/54.0715/-8.0517
  of Derrnadooey now subsumes Inishfale Island, so the official sites and
  monuments record (which was incorrect, as there is no such townland as
  Insihfale Island) now conflicts with the townland name provided by osm.
 

 This is resolvable  -  the island still exists as a townland.

 What you do is:

 1) Create 'Inishfale Island' townland as normal (with way(s) as role
 outer)
 2) add the way(s) of 'Inishfale Island' to Derrnadooey with role inner,
 this creates a hole in Derrnadooey

 For example here's Beggerin Island which was an island before  drainage
 created the Slobs in Wexford

 http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/north-west-slob/
 http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/beggerin-island/

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries

2015-05-15 Thread Killian Driscoll
Thanks - Inishfale isn't a townland on the GIS layer I have (maybe an error
with that layer?). I wasn't doubting Beggerin was a townland! Just looking
for it: I found it on my GIS layer. I can't see the orig OS maps here
http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/oocmaps.html for the Beggerin Island area. Are
they available?

Killian Driscoll
Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
Département d'anthropologie
Université de Montréal

umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll
www.lithicsireland.ie
ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll

On 15 May 2015 at 18:25, Donal Diamond donal.diam...@gmail.com wrote:

 You can check the online 1901 townland index (there is also a 1911
 supplement at same site) and see Beggerin Island is listed:


 http://www.histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/PageBrowser?path=Browse/Census%20%28by%20date%29/1901/Irelandactive=yesmno=453tocstate=expandnewdisplay=sectionsdisplay=tablesdisplay=pagetitlespageseq=158

 Inishfale/Inisfale is probably a townland as ARP and boundary is listed on
 the map sheets - it must be an omission from the townland indexes?

 D


 D


 On 15 May 2015 at 22:44, Killian Driscoll killiandrisc...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  I can't see the orig OS maps here
  http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/oocmaps.html
  for the Beggerin Island area. Are they available?
 
  Killian Driscoll
  Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
  Département d'anthropologie
  Université de Montréal
 
  umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll
  www.lithicsireland.ie
  ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll
 
  On 15 May 2015 at 17:36, Killian Driscoll killiandrisc...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
   I guess the point is 'Inishfale Island' was never an official townland
  (at
   least the name doesn't turn up on the online databases, I don't have
  access
   to the print copy): the sites and monuments record uses 'Inisfale
 Island'
   as the name. Is/was Beggerin Island a townland?
  
   Killian Driscoll
   Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
   Département d'anthropologie
   Université de Montréal
  
   umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll
   www.lithicsireland.ie
   ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll
  
   On 15 May 2015 at 17:25, Donal Diamond donal.diam...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
   On 15 May 2015 at 20:49, Killian Driscoll killiandrisc...@gmail.com
   wrote:
  
   
At the SW side of Lough Allen the pre-drainage scheme lake level
   contained
an island called Inishfale Island with the townland of Derrynadooey
 to
   the
west. This contains a national monument RO002-028 (
http://webgis.archaeology.ie/NationalMonuments/FlexViewer/) which
 is
listed
as townland: Inishfale Island; you can see that the map the national
monuments is using respects the pre-drainage shoreline townland
  outline.
The traced townland on the osm
   
   
  
 
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=54.0715mlon=-8.0517#map=16/54.0715/-8.0517
of Derrnadooey now subsumes Inishfale Island, so the official sites
  and
monuments record (which was incorrect, as there is no such townland
 as
Insihfale Island) now conflicts with the townland name provided by
  osm.
   
  
   This is resolvable  -  the island still exists as a townland.
  
   What you do is:
  
   1) Create 'Inishfale Island' townland as normal (with way(s) as role
   outer)
   2) add the way(s) of 'Inishfale Island' to Derrnadooey with role
 inner,
   this creates a hole in Derrnadooey
  
   For example here's Beggerin Island which was an island before
 drainage
   created the Slobs in Wexford
  
   http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/north-west-slob/
   http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/beggerin-island/
  
   Hope this helps
  
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[OSM-talk] Tagging FOR the renderer

2015-05-15 Thread pmailkeey .
I don't know whether this has been discussed or even mooted before...

Tagging for the renderer is natural. Mappers, especially newbies will be
disappointed their pet new feature they've just added to the db does not
appear on the map. This situation is no use to anyone but has been allowed
to continue and 'enforced' with wiki et al going against the notion of
tagging for the renderer. The problem was likely there in the beginning and
is still there now - several years later - unresolved. In fact, the way OSM
is put together, it's completely unresolvable - as people are free to tag
how they like and the map shows only what the renderers choose to show. I
have considered that what we see in the editors is the real map and true
OSM isn't. If the editors had a 'read-only' mode, they'd be far more use
than OSM proper and mappers would be happier to see their work on the 'map'.

I therefore want to air the view that 'mapping for the renderer' is no
longer 'wrong' by actually adding a good set of basic tags for areas, lines
and points (simple English as opposed to technical English of 'nodes' and
'ways') so that when a mapper invents something new, they can add tags for
colour, opacity, line colour, line width, line opacity - for areas and
similar attributes for lines and points (colour, opacity, size etc.) and
obviously tags for name and description etc. What do people think to this ?

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries

2015-05-15 Thread Donal Diamond
You can check the online 1901 townland index (there is also a 1911
supplement at same site) and see Beggerin Island is listed:

http://www.histpop.org/ohpr/servlet/PageBrowser?path=Browse/Census%20%28by%20date%29/1901/Irelandactive=yesmno=453tocstate=expandnewdisplay=sectionsdisplay=tablesdisplay=pagetitlespageseq=158

Inishfale/Inisfale is probably a townland as ARP and boundary is listed on
the map sheets - it must be an omission from the townland indexes?

D


D


On 15 May 2015 at 22:44, Killian Driscoll killiandrisc...@gmail.com wrote:

 I can't see the orig OS maps here
 http://maps.openstreetmap.ie/oocmaps.html
 for the Beggerin Island area. Are they available?

 Killian Driscoll
 Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
 Département d'anthropologie
 Université de Montréal

 umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll
 www.lithicsireland.ie
 ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll

 On 15 May 2015 at 17:36, Killian Driscoll killiandrisc...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  I guess the point is 'Inishfale Island' was never an official townland
 (at
  least the name doesn't turn up on the online databases, I don't have
 access
  to the print copy): the sites and monuments record uses 'Inisfale Island'
  as the name. Is/was Beggerin Island a townland?
 
  Killian Driscoll
  Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
  Département d'anthropologie
  Université de Montréal
 
  umontreal.academia.edu/KillianDriscoll
  www.lithicsireland.ie
  ca.linkedin.com/in/killiandriscoll
 
  On 15 May 2015 at 17:25, Donal Diamond donal.diam...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  On 15 May 2015 at 20:49, Killian Driscoll killiandrisc...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  
   At the SW side of Lough Allen the pre-drainage scheme lake level
  contained
   an island called Inishfale Island with the townland of Derrynadooey to
  the
   west. This contains a national monument RO002-028 (
   http://webgis.archaeology.ie/NationalMonuments/FlexViewer/) which is
   listed
   as townland: Inishfale Island; you can see that the map the national
   monuments is using respects the pre-drainage shoreline townland
 outline.
   The traced townland on the osm
  
  
 
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=54.0715mlon=-8.0517#map=16/54.0715/-8.0517
   of Derrnadooey now subsumes Inishfale Island, so the official sites
 and
   monuments record (which was incorrect, as there is no such townland as
   Insihfale Island) now conflicts with the townland name provided by
 osm.
  
 
  This is resolvable  -  the island still exists as a townland.
 
  What you do is:
 
  1) Create 'Inishfale Island' townland as normal (with way(s) as role
  outer)
  2) add the way(s) of 'Inishfale Island' to Derrnadooey with role inner,
  this creates a hole in Derrnadooey
 
  For example here's Beggerin Island which was an island before  drainage
  created the Slobs in Wexford
 
  http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/north-west-slob/
  http://www.townlands.ie/wexford/shelmaliere-east/beggerin-island/
 
  Hope this helps
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [Hot-francophone] Besoin d'aide pour les lignes à haute tension au Népal

2015-05-15 Thread FOFANA BAZO BAGNOUMANA
Merci Jean guilhem pour ce travail et ces informations sur la situation des
sauveteurs qui peuvent eux aussi se trouver piéger.
Nous organisons un mapathon ici à Lomé demain samedi à 14h. Mais dès le
matin, je me vérifierai le méthodologie de cartographie de ces lignes de
hautes tensions, et je brieferai les mappeurs là dessus.
Je tiens à m'excuser du retard dans ma réponse, cela s'explique juste par
le fait que depuis dimanche, je manque d'une connexion internet.

Mais sachez que mes mappeurs et moi, nous soutenons cet effort de
cartographie.



*Fofana*

*Volontaire International *

*de la Francophonie *
*Lomé/Togo. *

Le 14 mai 2015 17:33, Jean-Guilhem Cailton j...@arkemie.org a écrit :

 Bonjour,

 [Préliminaire sur la crise au Népal en général :

 La page du wiki sur le tremblement de terre au Népal a été traduite en
 français :
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/FR:2015_Nepal_earthquake

 et la liste des jobs en cours est sur le gestionnaire de tâches :
 http://tasks.hotosm.org/ ]


 Comme le savez sans doute, les hélicoptères jouent un rôle critique pour
 apporter de l'aide aux Népalais touchés par le tremblement de terre du
 25 avril, et la forte réplique du 12 mai, avec des routes bloquées ou
 rendues dangereuses par des glissements de terrain et des flancs de
 montagne instables.

 Un hélicoptère américain qui participait à cet effort a disparu le 12
 mai. Des pilotes d'autres hélicoptères qui participent entre autre aux
 recherches signalent qu'un souci important pour les efforts de
 recherche et sauvetage provient des lignes électriques à haute tension
 non signalisées, qui ont été signalées et traversent plusieurs des
 vallées dans la zone de recherche. Elles sont aussi bien sûr un danger
 pour les hélicoptères dans les autres zones affectées du Népal.

 Certaines lignes à haute tension ont déjà été cartographiées (visibles
 sur cette requête overpass :
 (http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/9lx , qui a d'ailleurs été transmise à ceux
 qui font les recherches). Partir des barrages hydro-électriques permet
 de les repérer.

 Je voulais signaler cette situation à des mappeurs qui auraient
 l'expérience de la cartographie de lignes à haute-tension. Leur
 contribution serait très appréciée. Ou à ceux que cette situation
 motiverait pour s'y mettre d'ailleurs. Débutant moi-même en la matière,
 j'ai pu apprécier la subtilité de l'exercice.

 Bing en haute résolution est disponible pour une grande partie du Népal.
 Les recherches se focalisaient initialement autour de Charikot, mais il
 serait utile de cartographier les lignes HT dans les districts touchés,
 de Sindhupalchok et Dolakha à Gorkha (voir
 http://kathmandulivinglabs.github.io/quake-maps/ Affected Districts)

 Le rapport annuel de l'Autorité électrique du Népal contient p. 106 un
 plan des lignes de transmission :
 http://www.nea.org.np/images/supportive_docs/Annual%20Report-2014.pdf

 (Pensez à mettre à jour et envoyer les données souvent, au cas où
 d'autres mappeurs seraient actifs dans la même zone).

 Merci,

 Jean-Guilhem


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Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging FOR the renderer

2015-05-15 Thread Jo
Of course the editors don't render EVERYTHING. Depending on the kind of
work I want to focus on, I'm switching MapCSS styles and filters on and off
in JOSM all the time.

bicycle routes
walking itineraries
public transport routes
addresses
turn lanes
traffic signs
HOT validation
speed limits

It's impossible to show everything at the same time both in renderings and
in the editors. Especially the more abstract stuff represented by relations.

Polyglot

2015-05-16 2:08 GMT+02:00 pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com:



 On 16 May 2015 at 00:57, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:

 when a mapper invents something new, they can add tags for
 colour, opacity, line colour, line width, line opacity - for areas and
 similar attributes for lines and points (colour, opacity, size etc.) and
 obviously tags for name and description etc. What do people think to
 this ?
 

 The people behind the default map render have put a lot of work in to
 trying to develop a map style which works well for the average OSM mapper.
 To have anyone come along and add their own styling for any map feature
 they like would be chaos. We'd end up in a map style edit war!! Also even
 if a mapper found a style and colour that worked for the default
 OpenStreetMap render, it wouldn't work with other map styles (Humanitarian,
 MapQuest, etc..).


 I'm talking ADDITIONAL tags - so the other map styles wouldn't be affected.
 I'm also talking temporary tags - to be removed by the default map
 renderers after they've created a 'proper' render style for the object.
 Having said that, I wouldn't object if they became a feature of the db -
 for a 'natural map'. I'm sure that would result in a bizarre map - likely
 'suitable' for an art gallery !



 I know you'd love to have a map that renders everything but you will not
 get that from OpenStreetMap. As all the data is available there is nothing
 to stop you setting up your own map renderer and doing as you please
 (although good luck making it look anything other than a mess).

 I'm sure folks will be happy to point you in the direction of guides for
 setting that up. Perhaps look at MapBox Studio first.



 All the map editors (iD etc.) render everything in a way.

 And yes, I'm all in favour of a map CAPABLE of showing everything yet
 allowing the viewer to choose what's not shown.


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[OSM-talk-fr] [RER B] Pourquoi noms gares Parc de Sceaux et Croix de Berny pas affichées?

2015-05-15 Thread Shohreh
Bonjour

Par curiosité, quelqu'un sait-il pourquoi les gares RER Parc de Sceaux et
Croix de Berny ne sont pas visibles, même sur le rendu OSM FR?

http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/48.7713/2.3041
http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/

Même en zoomant un maximum, leur nom n'apparaît pas. Il faut les connaître
pour savoir qu'elles existent. 

Pour ceux qui ne connaissent pas le coin, ces deux stations se trouvent
entre Bourg-La-Reine et Antony sur le RER B au sud de Paris.

Merci.



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [RER B] Pourquoi noms gares Parc de Sceaux et Croix de Berny pas affichées?

2015-05-15 Thread didier2020
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/79725350
n'a pas le tag railway=station
comme antony http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/80405300

?

Le vendredi 15 mai 2015 à 15:55 -0700, Shohreh a écrit : 
 Bonjour
 
 Par curiosité, quelqu'un sait-il pourquoi les gares RER Parc de Sceaux et
 Croix de Berny ne sont pas visibles, même sur le rendu OSM FR?
 
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/48.7713/2.3041
 http://tile.openstreetmap.fr/
 
 Même en zoomant un maximum, leur nom n'apparaît pas. Il faut les connaître
 pour savoir qu'elles existent. 
 
 Pour ceux qui ne connaissent pas le coin, ces deux stations se trouvent
 entre Bourg-La-Reine et Antony sur le RER B au sud de Paris.
 
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Re: [Talk-it] [Bulk] Come taggare sanitaria ortopedia

2015-05-15 Thread Umberto



Il 15/05/2015 18:52, Alberto Nogaro ha scritto:

-Original Message-
From: Nicola Procopio [mailto:nicola.proco...@magicbusapp.it]
Sent: venerdì 15 maggio 2015 16:17
To: talk-it@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Bulk] [Talk-it] Come taggare sanitaria ortopedia



vorrei chiedervi come posso mappare le farmacie sanitarie/ortopedie.


Quelle che ho incontrato le ho mappate come shop=orthopedics.

Secondo Taginfo è stato usato 44 volte: non molte, farebbe pensare che ci sia 
un altro tag più popolare, ma non l'ho trovato.

Ciao,
Alberto


Se sanitaria che vende anche articoli ortopedici

shop=medical_supply

Ciao
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Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging FOR the renderer

2015-05-15 Thread Rob Nickerson
when a mapper invents something new, they can add tags for
colour, opacity, line colour, line width, line opacity - for areas and
similar attributes for lines and points (colour, opacity, size etc.) and
obviously tags for name and description etc. What do people think to this ?


The people behind the default map render have put a lot of work in to
trying to develop a map style which works well for the average OSM mapper.
To have anyone come along and add their own styling for any map feature
they like would be chaos. We'd end up in a map style edit war!! Also even
if a mapper found a style and colour that worked for the default
OpenStreetMap render, it wouldn't work with other map styles (Humanitarian,
MapQuest, etc..).

I know you'd love to have a map that renders everything but you will not
get that from OpenStreetMap. As all the data is available there is nothing
to stop you setting up your own map renderer and doing as you please
(although good luck making it look anything other than a mess).

I'm sure folks will be happy to point you in the direction of guides for
setting that up. Perhaps look at MapBox Studio first.

Regards,
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[OSM-talk] weeklyOSM 251 ;-)

2015-05-15 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 251, is now available online in
English, giving as always a summary of all things happening in the
openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu

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[Talk-GB] weeklyOSM 251 ;-)

2015-05-15 Thread Manfred A. Reiter
The weekly round-up of OSM news, issue # 251, is now available online in
English, giving as always a summary of all things happening in the
openstreetmap world: http://www.weeklyosm.eu

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Re: [OSM-talk] Tagging FOR the renderer

2015-05-15 Thread pmailkeey .
On 16 May 2015 at 00:57, Rob Nickerson rob.j.nicker...@gmail.com wrote:

 when a mapper invents something new, they can add tags for
 colour, opacity, line colour, line width, line opacity - for areas and
 similar attributes for lines and points (colour, opacity, size etc.) and
 obviously tags for name and description etc. What do people think to this
 ?
 

 The people behind the default map render have put a lot of work in to
 trying to develop a map style which works well for the average OSM mapper.
 To have anyone come along and add their own styling for any map feature
 they like would be chaos. We'd end up in a map style edit war!! Also even
 if a mapper found a style and colour that worked for the default
 OpenStreetMap render, it wouldn't work with other map styles (Humanitarian,
 MapQuest, etc..).


I'm talking ADDITIONAL tags - so the other map styles wouldn't be affected.
I'm also talking temporary tags - to be removed by the default map
renderers after they've created a 'proper' render style for the object.
Having said that, I wouldn't object if they became a feature of the db -
for a 'natural map'. I'm sure that would result in a bizarre map - likely
'suitable' for an art gallery !



 I know you'd love to have a map that renders everything but you will not
 get that from OpenStreetMap. As all the data is available there is nothing
 to stop you setting up your own map renderer and doing as you please
 (although good luck making it look anything other than a mess).

 I'm sure folks will be happy to point you in the direction of guides for
 setting that up. Perhaps look at MapBox Studio first.



All the map editors (iD etc.) render everything in a way.

And yes, I'm all in favour of a map CAPABLE of showing everything yet
allowing the viewer to choose what's not shown.


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[Talk-it] Come taggare sanitaria ortopedia

2015-05-15 Thread Nicola Procopio

Buonasera a tutti,

vorrei chiedervi come posso mappare le farmacie sanitarie/ortopedie.
Ho cercato sul wiki ma non ho trovato nulla, ho fatto qualche ricerca su 
OSM per vedere se qualcuno le aveva già mappate ma ho trovato solo il 
tag amenity=pharmacy senza nessuna specifica (tipo dispensing=yes/no, 
come si fa per differenziare farmacia da parafarmacia).

Qualcuno sa aiutarmi?
Vi ringrazio in anticipo.

Nico

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Re: [Talk-it] Accesso ai parcheggi expo

2015-05-15 Thread gdavide
Stefano sabas88 at gmail.com writes:

 
 
 
 Il giorno 13 maggio 2015 12:05, M.Camagni AMAT marco.camagni at
amat-mi.it ha scritto:
 
 
 
 
 
 
 ​Ciao a tutti,
 ho un dubbio su come taggare l'accesso per le strade di Cascina Merlata
che danno accesso ai parcheggi auto.
 Sono strade riservate ai mezzi pubblici e a chi ha prenotato un
parcheggio, munito di biglietto expo.
 Ho messo:
 access=private
 
 
 
 
 access=customers?
  
 
 bus=yes
 
 invece di bus magari psv 
 
 
 foot=yes
 taxi=yes
 ma non sono sicuro
 
 
 Anche l'accesso dalla SS11 (http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/341278879)
bisognerebbe definire con la restrizione di accesso, ci sono cartelli che
vietano l'accesso a meno di avere il biglietto e dicono che c'è una barriera
- ma non so di preciso dove è la barriera.
 
 Già che ci siamo, non so se abbiamo sbagliato lo svincolo, ma invece di
questo percorso (http://osrm.at/cjJ) mi è capitato di fare questo
(http://osrm.at/cjK)
 
 
 
 Grazie
 Marco Camagni
 
 
 
 
 
 
 Ciao,
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Se con barriera intendi le telecamere che rilevano gli accessi all'area di
merlata, io ne ho viste due:
 - una si trova in uscita dalla rotonda su via Gallarate (Statale 33),
ovvero l'accesso sud
 - l'altra è montata in uscita dalla nuova rotondona di raccordo con la A4 e
la A8.

 Peraltro, stando alla cartellonistica in autostrada, già lo svincolo di
uscita dalla A4 (quello che converge appunto sulla rotondona) è riservarto a
bus ed autorizzati.

 Ambedue le telecamere sono montate sopra-strada, sotto i cartelli con le
indicazioni per i parcheggi di Merlata.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Carte des nouvelles contributions au Népal

2015-05-15 Thread Pierre Béland
Bonjour Christian
Nama Budhathoki de Kathmandu Living Labs et moi avons d'abord été interviewés 
pour l'article. J'ai expliqué à la journaliste que plus de 5,000 contributeurs 
à date pour la réponse Nepal. 

Dans un tel contexte, il est important pour OSM à la fois de répondre 
rapidement aux besoins opérationnels sur le terrain et assurer la qualité. Je 
lui ai indiqué que la communauté OSM en France est une des mieux organisée. 
Elle nous offre le support des serveurs notamment pour la carte humanitaire et 
le traitement / hébergement d'imagerie.
Et sans compter sur la force de frappe des associations locales qui peuvent 
organiser des mapathons et mieux encadrer l'apprentissage des nouveaux et 
assurer une meilleure qualité de la donnée.
J'ai donné ton nom comme contact et suis très content de voir cette 
visualisation des contributios avec carte en relief. Super comme à l'habitude.
Merci à tous. Et ce n'est pas fini. Nous devons tous maintenir le cap et 
supporter la population du Népal et nos collègues de Kathmandu Living Labs très 
éprouvés par le deuxième tremblement de terre cette semaine. La mousson arrive 
à grand pas et la problèmatique des glissements de terrain représente un défi 
majeur.
À ce propos, et pour mieux comprendre la réalité de la vie en montagne au Népal 
dans des villages simplement reliés par des sentiers, ne manquez pas une 
seconde de cette excellente video. Très 
prenant.https://twitter.com/pierzen/status/599005434733789185
Cette video a été tournée dans le district de Sindhupalchowk. C'est le district 
le plus touché par le tremblement de terre. 

Voir aussi la carte GDACS Live map produite par l'UNOSAT où on peut voir 
l'analyse des dommages dans les différentes 
zones.https://unosat.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=b9f9da798f364cd6a6e68fc20f5475eb

Visualisation, Potentially Dangerous Glacial Lakes of Nepal
http://geoportal.icimod.org/storymaps/nepalglakes/

cordialement 
 
Pierre 

  De : Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr
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 Envoyé le : Vendredi 15 mai 2015 10h29
 Objet : [OSM-talk-fr] Carte des nouvelles contributions au Népal
   
Suite à une demande du magazine Science et Vie, j'ai fait 2 cartes pour 
visualiser les nouvelles données ajoutées suite au séisme népalais.
Les fichiers (haute-def) sont sur: http://cl.ly/image/1x0f2K2g3P0t et 
http://cl.ly/image/1F0N053z2a2f (7 à 8Mo chacun en PNG).
Légende:- gris: les objets présents dans OSM au moment du séisme- vert: les 
objets (way) créés après le séisme
- bleu: cours d'eau- magenta: frontière du Népal
Une version en ligne est en cours d'upload sur http://osm.cquest.org/nepal/
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[OSM-talk-fr] Carte des nouvelles contributions au Népal

2015-05-15 Thread Christian Quest
Suite à une demande du magazine Science et Vie, j'ai fait 2 cartes pour
visualiser les nouvelles données ajoutées suite au séisme népalais.

Les fichiers (haute-def) sont sur: http://cl.ly/image/1x0f2K2g3P0t et
http://cl.ly/image/1F0N053z2a2f (7 à 8Mo chacun en PNG).

Légende:
- gris: les objets présents dans OSM au moment du séisme
- vert: les objets (way) créés après le séisme
- bleu: cours d'eau
- magenta: frontière du Népal

Une version en ligne est en cours d'upload sur http://osm.cquest.org/nepal/

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Re: [Talk-at] Kleingartenvereine

2015-05-15 Thread Walter Schlögl

Es gibt noch eine andere Abkürzung: KLG

z.B. hier: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/28487366

name=KLG Am Wolfersberg
full_name=Kleingarten Am Wolfersberg

Ich verstehe übrigens nicht, warum hier landuse=allotments durch 
leisure=garden ersetzt wurde.


Leider gibt der User _al entweder nur zynische Antworten oder gar keine.


On 15.05.2015 08:38, Tobias Knerr wrote:

Ich wäre daher für die Verwendung der ausgeschriebenen Form, plus
short_name mit der Abkürzung. Damit ist dann auch die Suche nach dem
ausgeschriebenen Kleingartenverein erfolgreich, was momentan nicht der
Fall ist.


name=KGV... kommt auch bei euch in DE vor, da wurden sie aber (noch) nicht
geändert. Bist du also der Meinung, dass die Massenedits auch in DE
durchgeführt werden sollen?



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Re: [Talk-in] Id editor on Bhuvan

2015-05-15 Thread Sajjad Anwar
Dear GN,

 We checked Bhuvan today to get some idea.  We found that they also use
 Id editor for community contributions.

This is interesting. I couldn't find though. Can you share a
screenshot? This is particularly interesting for some of us who are
working to make OpenStreetMap software available for outside the
ecosystem.


 We are trying to get the high resolution satellite maps from ISRO for
 school and college mapping projects that we are currently doing.

 If openstreetmap.in would like to get the satellite maps from
 Bhuvan/ISRO, what do we need from them?  Do they have an API to pull
 them as background maps?  We may need them mostly while editing.  Since
 Id editor is already used by them, I am wondering they may already be
 using OSM software stack.

Couple of things to keep in mind here -

1. We'd need open licensing, or it should say that tracing for
OpenStreetMap is permitted.
2. The layers should be in Web Mercator projection. There are quite a
few Bhuvan layers that are not.


 Was there any history of osm community seeking data from ISRO?

Recently, we got in touch with ISRO for high resolution post
earthquake imagery for Nepal. They shared the raw data and some of us
at Mapbox processed it to make it available on OpenStreetMap -
https://twitter.com/geohacker/status/593114332164001792

Sajjad.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Code Fantoir sur deux communes

2015-05-15 Thread Jérôme Amagat
Par contre c'est quoi la bonne façon de nommer une route? Quand la route à
un nom jusque qu'a la limite de commune, où on arrête la route? moi jusqu'à
maintenant je coupais au niveau d'un nœud *prêt *de la frontière. Là dans
le fichiers il va y avoir beaucoup des routes que je pensais nommer comme
il faut.

Le 15 mai 2015 18:36, Christian Quest cqu...@openstreetmap.fr a écrit :

 Suite à cet échange et à une demande de didier2020, j'ai sorti un CSV des
 highway qui portent un nom et qui croisent plusieurs communes.
 Les motorway ont été retiré, et c'est trié par nombre de communes
 croisées, puis par kilométrage décroissant.
 La liste des codes INSEE des communes croisées est indiquée.

 C'est ici: http://osm105.openstreetmap.fr/~cquest/routes.csv

 A affiner pour une future analyse osmose ?



 Le 14 mai 2015 14:10, Eric SIBERT courr...@eric.sibert.fr a écrit :

 Le 14/05/2015 13:48, Frédéric Rodrigo a écrit :

 Non, le code FANTOIR est en partie composé du code INSEE qui est unique
 par commune.


 Ok. Donc un boulet (de plus :-p) qui met le nom (et maintenant le code
 fantoir) au début d'une rue sans se préoccuper de jusqu'où va le way, en
 particulier lorsqu'il franchit la limite de commune.

 Au moins, le code Insee me permet de détecter la branche incorrecte.

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Re: [Talk-it] [Bulk] Come taggare sanitaria ortopedia

2015-05-15 Thread Alberto Nogaro
-Original Message-
From: Nicola Procopio [mailto:nicola.proco...@magicbusapp.it]
Sent: venerdì 15 maggio 2015 16:17
To: talk-it@openstreetmap.org
Subject: [Bulk] [Talk-it] Come taggare sanitaria ortopedia

vorrei chiedervi come posso mappare le farmacie sanitarie/ortopedie.

Quelle che ho incontrato le ho mappate come shop=orthopedics.

Secondo Taginfo è stato usato 44 volte: non molte, farebbe pensare che ci sia 
un altro tag più popolare, ma non l'ho trovato.

Ciao,
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Re: [Talk-at] Kleingartenvereine

2015-05-15 Thread Wolfgang Schreiter
Tobias Knerr osm@... writes:

 Die Frage wird generell beantwortet mit: Nein, Abkürzungen in Namen
 sollten vermieden werden. Steht jedenfalls seit langem so im Wiki.

Danke für den Hinweis.

 Nun kann man bei extrem gängigen Abkürzungen noch über die
 Sinnhaftigkeit streiten (z.B. Dr vs. Doktor), aber bei den hier
 diskutierten Beispielen würde ich mich klar an die Regel halten.

Ich habe mir eben einen Überblick verschafft, welche Abkürzungen verwendet
werden. Teilweise ist die Sachlage klar, aber das Meiste wäre individuell zu
klären (und zu dokumentieren), was unabgestimmte (Massen)edits - siehe
Kleingärten - problematisch macht.

LG
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Re: [Talk-GB] Issue with Changeset

2015-05-15 Thread ael
On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 10:22:48AM +0100, Jason Woollacott wrote:
 Looks like there has been an issue with  changeset 30821940  Which seems to 
 have added the A30 through the whole of Cornwall on an incorrect route.   
 
 https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/30821940
 

I am often in East Cornwall and contribute to the map. The above
changeset is out of the area I know well, but I was looking along the
A30, prompted by this thread, and have just noticed 
   http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/23301911
which seems to be mapping a planned change and not what is on the
ground. The user is new and has only contributed two edits. However,
there is a tag 'proposed:highway=no' which I don't understand, so
perhaps that is just a mistake and it should be proposed:highway=yes?

I suggest that someone who knows the area should check and maybe contact
the mapper to clarify.

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[Talk-ht] Distance mapping Nepal

2015-05-15 Thread Schneider kennedy Alcereste
Bonjou tout moun,
Mwen felisite epi ankouraje inisyativ sa nan nom C-OSMHA.STM map kontribye
kanmenm.
Schneider Kennedy ALCERESTE
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 From: François-Xavier Lamure Tardieu  xapit...@gmail.com
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 Bonjour,

 dans le cadre de la solidarité avec la communauté du Népal, j`organise
 avec Haiti Communitere un mapathon à HC ce samedi entre 10h et 15h.
 Apportez vos ordis, la bonne humeur et que ça roule !!!

 Bonjou tout moun,

 mwen pense li impòtan ak trembleman tè Nepal nous òganise yon mapathon
 samdi nan HC kòmanse nan 10 am rive 3 pm.
 Nou mèt vini ak òdinatè nou, e an ale !!!

 Xavier



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 Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 14:51:57 + (UTC)
 From: Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr
 To: François-Xavier Lamure Tardieu xapit...@gmail.com,
 Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org,  Deke
 Bowman
 d...@haiti.communitere.org
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 Bonjou tout moun,
 Bravo!

 Pierre

   De : François-Xavier Lamure Tardieu xapit...@gmail.com
  À : Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org; Deke Bowman d...@haiti.communitere.org
  Envoyé le : Jeudi 14 mai 2015 9h18
  Objet : [Talk-ht] Nepal mapathon

 Bonjour,

 dans le cadre de la solidarité avec la communauté du Népal, j`organise
 avec Haiti Communitere un mapathon à HC ce samedi entre 10h et 15h.
 Apportez vos ordis, la bonne humeur et que ça roule !!!

 Bonjou tout moun,

 mwen pense li impòtan ak trembleman tè Nepal nous òganise yon mapathon
 samdi nan HC kòmanse nan 10 am rive 3 pm.
 Nou mèt vini ak òdinatè nou, e an ale !!!

 Xavier

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 Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 12:25:46 -0400
 From: Louino Robillard robill...@future-ht.org
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 Cc: Deke Bowman d...@haiti.communitere.org, François-Xavier Lamure
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 Bonjour tout le monde,

 C'est une tres bonne idee

  Men, Malerezman mwen pa nan Peyi a . Mwen Canada. Si genyen  kek bagay ke
 mwen ka fe a distans Mwen ap santi mwen  plis ke onore pou mwen bay kout
 men pa mwen.

  Nous les Haitiens nous avons besoin d' aider  d' autre pays aussi.

 Ann Kontinye fe Konbit !

 Louino,Robillard, MA
 Community Change  Peacebuilding

 *An'n fe konbit*

 Rele'm :509 3844 81 72
 Ekri'm :robillard.lou...@gmail.com
 Skype : Rlouino

 Le 14 mai 2015 10:51, Pierre Béland pierz...@yahoo.fr a écrit :

  Bonjou tout moun,
  Bravo!
 
  Pierre
 
De : François-Xavier Lamure Tardieu xapit...@gmail.com
   À : Talk-ht@openstreetmap.org; Deke Bowman d...@haiti.communitere.org
   Envoyé le : Jeudi 14 mai 2015 9h18
   Objet : [Talk-ht] Nepal mapathon
 
  Bonjour,
 
  dans le cadre de la solidarité avec la communauté du Népal, j`organise
  avec Haiti Communitere un mapathon à HC ce samedi entre 10h et 15h.
  Apportez vos ordis, la bonne humeur et que ça roule !!!
 
  Bonjou tout moun,
 
  mwen pense li impòtan ak trembleman tè Nepal nous òganise yon mapathon
  samdi nan HC kòmanse nan 10 am rive 3 pm.
  Nou mèt vini ak òdinatè nou, e an ale !!!
 
  Xavier
 
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Re: [Talk-us] request to revert changeset

2015-05-15 Thread Jim McAndrew
If it's your own changeset, it's pretty easy to do in JOSM:
https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/731/how-can-i-revert-a-changeset

You can also go back and manually make the edits, but I find that sometimes
its a lot easier just to revert an entire changeset than to go in and try
to make it correct.

If you'd like, I can revert it as well, just let me know.

On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Ed Hillsman hills...@pobox.com wrote:

 How do I request to revert a changeset? This morning I went into Potlatch
 2 to do some editing, and I noticed a park lot of streets were missing in
 long narrow east-west area. The features still showed as missing after
 making a number of changes in zoom and panning along the window. So,
 without looking at the rendered map (I’ll do this if it ever happens
 again), I added the missing features back. Upon closing the changeset, I
 noticed what looked like original data (a tag value I couldn’t add back
 without making a site visit to the area). When I then re-opened the editor,
 I found the missing data along with what I had just added.

 The changeset number is 31177943, titled retrace/add a number of streets
 mysteriously deleated, Matthew Avenue NW and viciinity, an east-west window.

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[OSM-talk] OSM Nepal Reponse - Links to various infos

2015-05-15 Thread Pierre Béland
This OSM response for Nepal is quite challenging. And even more difficult for 
our friends at the Kathmandu Living Labs (KLL) who have to suffer the emotional 
impact of the second earthquake this week. They also have to move from the 
famous Yellow house to a school. This should assure them a more secure area to 
work.Cheers to them that maintain the Nepal earthquake Ushahidi map, provide 
various mapping services to the humanitarian in the field and assure the 
interface with the Nepal governement and the various UN Coordination structures 
for this response (ie The clusters to coordinate sanitation, water, logistic, 
food distribution, health, etc).
As usual, the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap community assures the interface 
between the OSM community, the UN agencies and the international organizations. 
We support the OSM remote response from around the word and we co-coordinate 
with KLL. We both interface with the DHNetwork digital organization and various 
other groups via Skype. We have a great support from the International Charter 
(imagery providers), UNOSAT, DigitalGlobe, Airbus, the HIU unit of the US State 
dept., Google, and our dedicated OSM/HOT experienced contributors and 
developpers.
Plus the various groups that provide the 30 minutes updates for the various OSM 
exports.http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/2015_Nepal_earthquake#Map_and_Data_Services
 Still more challenges to come with the landslides risks and the monsoon coming 
soon.
At the same time, it is important to assure a good coordination of the OSM 
community from around the world. The statistics below show great numbers and 
some challenges with all the new contributors that participate to the response. 
Note that these are preliminary statistics that can be revised later. With less 
then 3 weeks of response, we already have edited more the 13 million of 
objects. 

The pbf export file increased from 27 megs april 24 to 84 megs yesterday. Three 
times bigger. This is quite awesome. It also shows how we should adapt to such 
a rapid growth of the OSM database for Nepal and maintain quality to adequately 
respond to the operational needs of the humanitarian organizations in the field.


| Preliminary statistics, Nepal Response Apr-25 – May 15, including worldwide 
mechanical edits |     NB
 |
| Contributors | 6,456 |
| Days | 11,877 |
| Changeset Sessions | 154,048 |
| Objects edited (ie. Points, lines, polygons) | 13,089,247 |


Such a response has brought various discussions on the HOT list on how to both 
respond quickly and assure data quality. OSM crowdsourcing can be compared to 
an image that we load throug internet. First, we have a quite inprecise image, 
coming clearer gradually.  The Mapathons a bit of this role. If unorganized, 
they can bring a lot of data quality problems. The worlwide OSM community  can 
play a strategic role in such a response by contributing to structure the way 
the new contributors learn OSM and edit the map. For the first day of 
contribution, what is important is that people better understand what are the 
various steps and provide quality data. If we succeed to bring them a second 
day to help, this will show quite a significant succcess since the majority of 
them contribute only one day for the response.

There will be surely Lessons learned from this Response. For now, I suggest 
that people that organize Mapathons communicate with activation @ hotosm.org 
and provide some infos about the Mapathon- who Organize this mapathon- town, 
country
- Name, email of organizers- how many experienced osm contributors to support 
the mapathon
- Nb of people that you plan to receive
- twitter account if you plan to publish updates- indicate that you give HOT 
the license to reuse photos that you publish on Twitter. This can help for 
outreach and various Blog updates.
Various map products
UNOSAT GDACS Live map with geolocated damage 
analysis.https://unosat.maps.arcgis.com/apps/webappviewer/index.html?id=b9f9da798f364cd6a6e68fc20f5475eb

Visualisation, Potentially Dangerous Glacial Lakes of Nepal
http://geoportal.icimod.org/storymaps/nepalglakes/

Lanslides in the mountains with the last earthquake this week - See this video 
to better understand the reality of people living in remote areas of Nepal with 
only paths connecting the high mountain 
villages.https://twitter.com/pierzen/status/599005434733789185
A Visualisation Gift from Christian Quest of OSM-fr
New contributions to OSM for Nepal
Awesoome!!!
http://osm.cquest.org/nepal/#9/27.7139/85.3198

twitter update on this
https://twitter.com/pierzen/status/599232884982026241 
 Cheers all

Pierre 

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Re: [OSM-talk-ie] Query on tracing townlands and dealing with changed lake levels and new boundaries

2015-05-15 Thread Dave Corley
Hi Killian,

I'm trying to recall what was done in the past for this as I'm sure it's
come up.

To the best of my recollection, stick with the boundary markings as they
exist on the map sheets.

Dave


On 14 May 2015 22:12, Killian Driscoll killiandrisc...@gmail.com wrote:

 I've been working on tracing townlands by Lough Conn, Mayo and don't know
 how to deal with some boundaries due to the drop in lake levels from
 drainage works. Here http://osm.org/go/etJ86lqw-?m= you can see that I've
 left out four townlands: Scotchfort, Cappanaglogh, Cloonygunnaun, and
 'Cappanaglogh (Part Of): you can see that the latter is between
 Cappanaglogh, Cloonygunnaun, and with the lake level change and the
 inclusion of a previous island into the townland it's not clear how a new
 boundary should be drawn.

 A related issue is whether the boundaries should be redrawn at all here, or
 if the original pre-drainage works lake level boundary should be respected
 (I looked at Lough Gara and see that the tracing has followed the new lake
 level). The GIS townland layer I have used before has kept the original
 townland size and not changed the outline to match the 'new' lake level.

 I'd appreciate advice on this,


 Killian Driscoll
 Banting Postdoctoral Fellow
 Département d'anthropologie
 Université de Montréal

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