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Re: [OSM-talk-be] tile.osm.be

2020-03-11 Thread Julien Fastré via Talk-be



Le 11/03/20 à 10:26, Jonathan Beliën a écrit :
> Any help to make the OSMBE tileserver work more efficiently is more than 
> welcome.
> Maybe we could partner up to make such a thing happen.
> If you have any idea to make it work more efficiently or improve/simplify the 
> update process we can meet to talk about it :)

I think you did most part of the work, but, we will be pleased to give
some help, if you think this is useful.

I am going to send you a private email.

JF

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] tile.osm.be

2020-03-11 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi Jonathan,

Le 10/03/20 à 20:51, Jonathan Beliën a écrit :
> 
> That being said, I'm also investigating some other solutions for the
> OSMBE tileserver to simplify the update but didn't find any suitable
> solution so far (adding vector tiles is also part of my research).

At Champs-Libres, we are facing a similar issue: pre-renders tiles for
an area like Belgium from big cloud servers paid on an hourly basis.

We are thinking about an ansible script which will start a server in the
cloud, launch the required tasks, and then stop it.

Did you think about this ? Do you want to collaborate on such project ?

> The update is not live because we (GEO-6) decided not to invest such a "big" 
> amount of money in a server that could handle a live (or at least regular) 
> automated update (and the current tilserver is still one of the biggest - 
> meaning more expensive - server we manage and pay for).

If needed, we can also consider to give some help or money to host the
service.

> That being said, I'm also investigating some other solutions for the OSMBE 
> tileserver to simplify the update but didn't find any suitable solution so 
> far (adding vector tiles is also part of my research).

If you need it / want it, we can also discuss about that.

Julien

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Weekly Riot chat digest - Volume 1 - 10/12/2018 - 16/12/2018

2018-12-17 Thread Julien Fastré

Very nice idea ! I do not have time to track discussions on riot, but I
will be glad to have a summary somewhere else !

Julien Fastré

Le 17/12/18 à 18:42, Steven Clays a écrit :
> Wow, nice work. Very efficient. I hope you can keep this up!
> 
> Op ma 17 dec. 2018 om 11:47 schreef Tim Couwelier
> mailto:tim.couwel...@gmail.com>>:
> 
> First of all, a short introduction. Based on discussion in chat, we
> feel it'd be good to open up about what's discussed in the Riot (or
> IRC) chat channel, and distribute a summary of it (on a weekly
> basis) through forum and mailinglist. For now this is a
> one-man-operation, we'll see how it evolves over time.
> 
> Input/feedback/extended discussion can be had through talk-be, the
> riot channel or the belgian subsection of the openstreetmap.org
> <http://openstreetmap.org> fora.
> 
> (Note: I'm fully aware I'm probably a highly 'unknown' person to
> many people within this mailinglist. I've talked through trying to
> do this with Joost, and was met with his approval. If anyone has
> questions about me or my part in this, do let me know.)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> *_Monday 10/12/2018_*
> 
> Glenn informs about how to map a 'tractorsluis' (physical
> construction to allow tractors to pass, but not normal cars).
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:barrier%3Dsump_buster
> 
> bxl-forever asks about how to map a certain type of barrier/fence.
> fence_type = railing seems the best fit
> (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:fence_type)
> 
> Seppe points out there's a Mapillary grant program for camera's.
> Requires 50k+ uploaded pictures to be taken into consideration. 
> 
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLScrPJcRGlh_FQCQCuZkk0tCK9317odk5RYeYfI2UruCzJW31Q/viewform
> 
> Jakka suggests supplying a basic simple template using osm-be tiles
> to implement a map into a website.
> Most agree this would be good, issue created on the osmbe-website
> github.
> 
> 
> *_Tuesday 11/12/2018_*
> 
> Timcouwelier points out tiles are loading very slow,.
> Escada confirms there's indeed issues, linking to the status page
> (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Platform_Status)
> 
> Jakka asks about how to map mobil telephone antennae attached to
> power towers.
> Lionel_giard replies /'you only use
> communication:mobile_phone/radio/...=yes/no for the transmission
> equipment. The others tags are all for the structure. '/
> 
> 
> *_Wednesday 12/12/2018_*
> 
> Timcouwelier asks about tagging suggestions for an entrace ramp to a
> hospital with an overhead roof.
> Tagging as a bridge seems an option, but would not match with using
> 'tunnel' for the covered part under the building + it's rendered
> overly heavy. Consensus is to split the ramp and mark an  'incline =
> up' and 'incline = down', but to not  add percentage as it's unknown.
> https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/incline#valuesapparantly
> shows 2 uses for 'incline = steep_as_hell'
> 
> Lionel_giard ask about how to map an 'internaat' (living quarters at
> school for students not going home during the week).
> This is a recurring question, but there's nothing beyond building =
> residential. However, it should still clarify sufficient in
> combination with amenity = school around it.
> 
> Timcouwelier asks about options in Overpass Turbo: building on a
> query that selects all ways based on having a node last touched by a
> given user, is there an option to do that for TWO users and style
> them differently?
> Joost offers a workaround through mapcontrib, by using two layers
> with a different query, and working with two different styles.
> 
> s8evq asks about possible missing attribution to OSM in the maps
> used by postnl.be <http://postnl.be>. 
> Contact is made based on the following input by Joost:
> /    If you want to deal with it yourself, add it to this list and
> write them a message:
> //https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Websites#List_2/
> 
> A reply from wegspotter to a question by Glenn on 'slow roads',
> raises discussion on how to deal with getting 'complete' info, as
> the requirements for the vicinal ref (
> 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Slowroads)
> requires info that's not visible possible to retrieve in the field.
> 
> *_Thursday 13/12/2018_*
> 
> Discussion on the vicinal roads continues.
> Neither atlas number, the vicinal_type (sen

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Routing in Liège

2016-09-14 Thread Julien Fastré



Le 14/09/2016 à 12:00, joost schouppe a écrit :
> This example does look wrong to
> me: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/96664072

I have changed this road to tertiary.
> 
> Maybe it would help if Michael would point out some example that look
> wrong to him?

Yes...

> Le 14/09/2016 à 08:12, Marc Gemis a écrit :
>> Here's Michael's answer: I haven't read it thoroughly yet, so I leave
>> the interpretation to each of you.
>> 
>> -
>> Your impression and the two answers make sence to me. It's hard to
>> decide the road classification by aerial view. A look beside to google
>> streetview also doesn't help (and I never would map what I found
>> there).
>> 
>> May I clear some about that overpass-query?
>> It only searches for residential, unclassified and tertiary. Higher
>> road classes are good visible in standard mapstile and lower doesn't
>> interrest in this case. The colours are blue for residential, orange
>> for unclassified and green for tertiary. If you zoom in all the
>> circles get to lines marking the kind of highway. You can move the
>> bbox on the map and start the query again for any area you want. Don't
>> use to big areas avoiding brakedown of query.

Some "big residential" road could be preferred to "little" residential
road in Liege. But, in Liege, the tertiary, secondary and primary roads
should be used and, most of the time, it is possible to use them instead
of "potential unclassified" roads.

>> And reading the post of Julien, it's clear for my why mappers in
>> Belgium use the value residential often not in the way the should
>> according the "leading" english wiki. But discussing about some wiki
>> specials would fill books and we better use the time to correct
>> OSM-data and -wiki.

Yes, I agree, we should correct the wiki page.

Julien




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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Interview pour le journal L'Avenir

2016-05-04 Thread Julien Fastré

FYI :

http://www.lavenir.net/cnt/dmf20160501_00820099/cartographier-le-globe-depuis-son-ecran
http://www.lavenir.net/cnt/dmf20160501_00820100/une-sorte-d-economie-collaborative

I do not have any access, so if someone could send me a copy of this
article (not on this mailing-list because of copyright...)

There are also other older articles about openstreetmap :

http://www.lavenir.net/Search/Index.aspx?searchString=openstreetmap=1=1

Julien

Le 27/04/16 19:45, Julien Fastré a écrit :
> Thanks, Marc.
>
> If someone else is interested in having such "jobs", I would be happy
> not to be the only French speaker to speak about OSM.
>
> Julien
>
> Le 27/04/16 08:01, Marc Gemis a écrit :
>> Thanks Julien, I was already hoping you would do it.
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Julien Fastré <jul...@fastre.info> wrote:
>>> FYI, she has heard about OSM for the first time after our mapathon of
>>> 16th April.
>>>
>>> Julien
>>>
>>> Le 26/04/16 23:11, Julien Fastré a écrit :
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have been waiting a couple of hours before contacting her, in the hope
>>>> that someone else would be interested... But when I phoned her this
>>>> afternoon, no one had phoned her...
>>>>
>>>> So, I have an appointment for a demo on Thursday morning at the
>>>> Coworking Namur. If someone else want to join us. It should last 30
>>>> minutes or so.
>>>>
>>>> Julien
>>>>
>>>> Le 25/04/16 16:40, Johan Huysmans a écrit :
>>>>> FYI
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Forwarded Message 
>>>>> Subject: Interview pour le journal L'Avenir
>>>>> Date:Mon, 25 Apr 2016 16:18:16 +0200
>>>>> From:Marie-Laure Mathot <marie-laure.mat...@lavenir.net>
>>>>> To:  talk-be-ow...@openstreetmap.org <talk-be-ow...@openstreetmap.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bonjour,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Je suis journaliste pour le quotidien L'Avenir. Je souhaite écrire un
>>>>> article à propos d'OpenStreetMap en Belgique, serait-il possible
>>>>> d'interviewer un membre de votre groupe de travail?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Merci d'avance pour votre réponse.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bien à vous,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marie-Laure Mathot
>>>>>
>>>>> Journaliste à l'Avenir
>>>>>
>>>>> 081 24 89 36
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> To whom it may concern
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am journalist for the newspaper L'avenir. I would like to write an
>>>>> article about OpenStreetMap in Belgium. Is it possible to interview a
>>>>> member of tour working group?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you for your answer.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yours sincerely,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Marie-Laure Mathot
>>>>>
>>>>> Journaliste à l'Avenir
>>>>>
>>>>> 081 24 89 36
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Interview pour le journal L'Avenir

2016-04-27 Thread Julien Fastré

Thanks, Marc.

If someone else is interested in having such "jobs", I would be happy
not to be the only French speaker to speak about OSM.

Julien

Le 27/04/16 08:01, Marc Gemis a écrit :
> Thanks Julien, I was already hoping you would do it.
> 
> On Tue, Apr 26, 2016 at 11:12 PM, Julien Fastré <jul...@fastre.info> wrote:
>> FYI, she has heard about OSM for the first time after our mapathon of
>> 16th April.
>>
>> Julien
>>
>> Le 26/04/16 23:11, Julien Fastré a écrit :
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have been waiting a couple of hours before contacting her, in the hope
>>> that someone else would be interested... But when I phoned her this
>>> afternoon, no one had phoned her...
>>>
>>> So, I have an appointment for a demo on Thursday morning at the
>>> Coworking Namur. If someone else want to join us. It should last 30
>>> minutes or so.
>>>
>>> Julien
>>>
>>> Le 25/04/16 16:40, Johan Huysmans a écrit :
>>>> FYI
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Forwarded Message 
>>>> Subject: Interview pour le journal L'Avenir
>>>> Date:Mon, 25 Apr 2016 16:18:16 +0200
>>>> From:Marie-Laure Mathot <marie-laure.mat...@lavenir.net>
>>>> To:  talk-be-ow...@openstreetmap.org <talk-be-ow...@openstreetmap.org>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bonjour,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Je suis journaliste pour le quotidien L'Avenir. Je souhaite écrire un
>>>> article à propos d'OpenStreetMap en Belgique, serait-il possible
>>>> d'interviewer un membre de votre groupe de travail?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Merci d'avance pour votre réponse.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bien à vous,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marie-Laure Mathot
>>>>
>>>> Journaliste à l'Avenir
>>>>
>>>> 081 24 89 36
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> To whom it may concern
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am journalist for the newspaper L'avenir. I would like to write an
>>>> article about OpenStreetMap in Belgium. Is it possible to interview a
>>>> member of tour working group?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your answer.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yours sincerely,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Marie-Laure Mathot
>>>>
>>>> Journaliste à l'Avenir
>>>>
>>>> 081 24 89 36
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Interview pour le journal L'Avenir

2016-04-26 Thread Julien Fastré

FYI, she has heard about OSM for the first time after our mapathon of
16th April.

Julien

Le 26/04/16 23:11, Julien Fastré a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> I have been waiting a couple of hours before contacting her, in the hope
> that someone else would be interested... But when I phoned her this
> afternoon, no one had phoned her...
> 
> So, I have an appointment for a demo on Thursday morning at the
> Coworking Namur. If someone else want to join us. It should last 30
> minutes or so.
> 
> Julien
> 
> Le 25/04/16 16:40, Johan Huysmans a écrit :
>> FYI
>>
>>
>>  Forwarded Message 
>> Subject: Interview pour le journal L'Avenir
>> Date:Mon, 25 Apr 2016 16:18:16 +0200
>> From:Marie-Laure Mathot <marie-laure.mat...@lavenir.net>
>> To:  talk-be-ow...@openstreetmap.org <talk-be-ow...@openstreetmap.org>
>>
>>
>>
>> Bonjour,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Je suis journaliste pour le quotidien L'Avenir. Je souhaite écrire un
>> article à propos d'OpenStreetMap en Belgique, serait-il possible
>> d'interviewer un membre de votre groupe de travail?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Merci d'avance pour votre réponse.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Bien à vous,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Marie-Laure Mathot
>>
>> Journaliste à l'Avenir
>>
>> 081 24 89 36
>>
>> 
>>
>>  
>>
>> To whom it may concern
>>
>>  
>>
>> I am journalist for the newspaper L'avenir. I would like to write an
>> article about OpenStreetMap in Belgium. Is it possible to interview a
>> member of tour working group?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thank you for your answer.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Yours sincerely,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Marie-Laure Mathot
>>
>> Journaliste à l'Avenir
>>
>> 081 24 89 36
>>
>>  
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Interview pour le journal L'Avenir

2016-04-26 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

I have been waiting a couple of hours before contacting her, in the hope
that someone else would be interested... But when I phoned her this
afternoon, no one had phoned her...

So, I have an appointment for a demo on Thursday morning at the
Coworking Namur. If someone else want to join us. It should last 30
minutes or so.

Julien

Le 25/04/16 16:40, Johan Huysmans a écrit :
> FYI
> 
> 
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject:  Interview pour le journal L'Avenir
> Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2016 16:18:16 +0200
> From: Marie-Laure Mathot 
> To:   talk-be-ow...@openstreetmap.org 
> 
> 
> 
> Bonjour,
> 
>  
> 
> Je suis journaliste pour le quotidien L'Avenir. Je souhaite écrire un
> article à propos d'OpenStreetMap en Belgique, serait-il possible
> d'interviewer un membre de votre groupe de travail?
> 
>  
> 
> Merci d'avance pour votre réponse.
> 
>  
> 
> Bien à vous,
> 
>  
> 
> Marie-Laure Mathot
> 
> Journaliste à l'Avenir
> 
> 081 24 89 36
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
> To whom it may concern
> 
>  
> 
> I am journalist for the newspaper L'avenir. I would like to write an
> article about OpenStreetMap in Belgium. Is it possible to interview a
> member of tour working group?
> 
>  
> 
> Thank you for your answer.
> 
>  
> 
> Yours sincerely,
> 
>  
> 
> Marie-Laure Mathot
> 
> Journaliste à l'Avenir
> 
> 081 24 89 36
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] New Brussels-Capital Region Open Data portal

2016-03-04 Thread Julien Fastré

I think this is already on this page :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Belgium

I think this is enough... did it ?

Julien

Le 03/03/16 14:47, Marc Gemis a écrit :
> Is the Brussels OpenData License compatible with ODbL ?
> 
> Whenever I see something like
> 
> Sous réserve de : • Mentionner la paternité de « l’Information » : sa
> source (a minima le nom du « Producteur ») et la date de sa dernière
> mise à jour.
> 
> 
> furthermore:
> 
> Pour faciliter la réutilisation des « Informations », cette licence a
> été conçue pour être compatible avec toute licence libre qui exige a
> minima la mention de paternité. Elle est notamment compatible avec les
> licences « Open Government Licence » (OGL) du Royaume-Uni, « Creative
> Commons Attribution 2.0 » (CC-BY 2.0) de Creative Commons et « Open
> Data Commons Attribution » (ODC-BY) de l’Open Knowledge Foundation.
> 
> 
> 
> I'm confused. Is it enough to mention that information on the central
> osm wiki or not ?
> 
> regards
> 
> m
> 
> On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 2:29 PM, Benoit Leseul  wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I just saw that the Brussels region launched a new open data portal
>> with many interesting datasets, including roads and road hierarchy, 3D
>> buildings, railways, tunnels, bus stops, bike and car sharing
>> stations. Even trees!
>>
>> I think most of those are already known, but some seem new to me and
>> could lead to interesting new tools and data imports.
>>
>> http://opendatastore.brussels/en/
>>
>> --
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping Party: infrastructure for the homeless

2016-03-04 Thread Julien Fastré



Le 02/03/16 08:45, Marc Gemis a écrit :
> Getting the proposal approved will only bring unneeded administrative work 
> imho.

So, I move the proposal :

- on the page key=amenity
- on a new page tag:amenity=reuse ?

Should I send a message to other mailing-lists ?

Julien

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping Party: infrastructure for the homeless

2016-03-01 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

We mapped some "marchés gratuits" with this tag. The pitch of those
"marchés gratuits" : you can leave in a box items you do not need, and
other people might pick them.

There is a proposed feature for this :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Reuse

Example : http://1000bxlentransition.be/marche-gratuit/

Problem : some of them are permanent, some are only once/month (and I
didn't know it on Saturday - we should have prepared this.

What we could do :

- relaunch procedure for this tag proposal ;
- add some "opening hours" to explain when the market take place. But I
do not know how to map "the last Saturday of the month"...

Julien

Le 01/03/16 05:23, Marc Gemis a écrit :
> I noticed that you used amenity=resuse. According to taginfo [1], it
> is now used 19 times, most of them in Brussels. Would you mind
> documenting it on the wiki and explaining the meaning of this tag ?
> Otherwise part of your work might be hard to understand for data
> consumers.
> 
> regards
> 
> m
> 
> 
> 
> [1] http://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/amenity=reuse
> 
> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 5:24 PM, Julien Fastré <jul...@fastre.info> wrote:
>> +1 :
>>
>> - this was an interesting meeting : a lot of new contributors, very
>> interested in OSM and the topic they were handling.
>> - we should have prepared the data and mapping before. A lot of things
>> are missing in term of existing tag and I see an opportunity to make our
>> databaser more rich ;
>> - Dewey is interested in OSM and will consider adapting their categories
>> to our tagging system; I think we have a lot of gain in helping them.
>>
>> This is a map of the most thing that were mapped since saturday morning
>> : [1], and the overpass query is there :
>> https://gist.github.com/julienfastre/c538a3983c6f8e133906 /!\ but it may
>> happen that some things are missing !!! /!\
>>
>> Julien
>>
>>
>>
>> [1]
>> http://overpass-turbo.eu/map.html?Q=%5Bout%3Ajson%5D%5Btimeout%3A50%5D%3B%0A%2F%2F%20fetch%20area%20%E2%80%9CBelgium%E2%80%9D%20to%20search%20in%0Aarea(3602404020)-%3E.searchArea%3B%0A%2F%2F%20gather%20results%0A(%0A%20%20%2F%2F%20query%20part%20for%3A%20%E2%80%9Cdrinking%20water%E2%80%9D%0A%20%20node%5B%22amenity%22%3D%22drinking_water%22%5D(area.searchArea)%3B%0A%20%20way%5B%22amenity%22%3D%22drinking_water%22%5D(area.searchArea)%3B%0A)-%3E.d%3B%0A%0A%2F%2F%20filter%20since%2010%20UTC%0A(%0Anode.d(changed%3A%222016-02-27T00%3A00%3A00Z%22)%3B%0Away.d(changed%3A%222016-02-27T00%3A00%3A00Z%22)%3B%0A)%20-%3E.drinking%3B%0A%0A%0A(%0A%20%20%2F%2F%20query%20part%20for%3A%20%E2%80%9Csocial%20facility%E2%80%9D%0A%20%20node%5B%22amenity%22%3D%22social_facility%22%5D(area.searchArea)%3B%0A%20%20way%5B%22amenity%22%3D%22social_facility%22%5D(area.searchArea)%3B%0A)-%3E.s%3B%0A%0A%2F%2F%20filter%20modified%20since%2010%20UTC%0A(%0A%20%20node.s(changed%3A%222016-02-27T00%3A00%3A00Z%22)%3B%0Awa
y.s(changed%3A%222016-02-27T00%3A00%3A00Z%22)%3B%0A%20%20)-%3E.social%3B%0A%0A(%0A%20%20%2F%2F%20query%20part%20for%3A%20%E2%80%9Camenity%20%3D%20reuse%E2%80%9D%0A%20%20node%5B%22amenity%22%3D%22reuse%22%5D(area.searchArea)%3B%0A%20%20way%5B%22amenity%22%3D%22reuse%22%5D(area.searchArea)%3B%0A)-%3E.r%3B%0A%0A%2F%2F%20filter%20modified%20since%2010%20UTC%0A(%0A%20%20node.r(changed%3A%222016-02-27T00%3A00%3A00Z%22)%3B%0A%20%20way.r(changed%3A%222016-02-27T00%3A00%3A00Z%22)%3B%0A%20%20)-%3E.reuse%3B%0A%0A(%0A%20%20%2F%2F%20query%20part%20for%20second%20hand%20shops%0A%20%20%20%20node%5B%22second_hand%22~%22yes%7Conly%22%5D(area.searchArea)%3B%0A%20%20%09way%5B%22second_hand%22~%22yes%7Conly%22%5D(area.searchArea)%3B%0A%20%20)-%3E.m%3B%0A%0A(%0A%20%20node.m(changed%3A%222016-02-27T00%3A00%3A00Z%22)%3B%0A%20%20way.m(changed%3A%222016-02-27T00%3A00%3A00Z%22)%3B%0A%20%20)-%3E.shops%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%0A%20%20%20(%20node.social%3B%20way.social%3B%20node.drinking%3B%20way.drinking%3B%2
0node.reuse%3B%20way.reuse%3B%20way.shops%3B%20node.shops%3B)%3B%20%20%20%20%0A%0A%2F%2F%20print%20results%0Aout%20body%3B%0A%3E%3B%0Aout%20skel%20qt%3B
>>
>> Le 28/02/16 09:16, Jo a écrit :
>>> I think the mapping party yesterday was quite a success. Still it could 
>>> have been better, if we had been able to preview and preprocess the data. I 
>>> added links to the Google Spreadsheet that open JOSM in the right spot now, 
>>> but it's a bit "after the fact" > >
>> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S8-iYBLkmckprwQzetjzFn98I9ai1v2GZAYZLtHTbA4/edit#gid=1796817314
>>>> I had to use some 'magic' regular expressions incantations to
>> separate French from Dutch descriptions and to attempt to split the
>> addresses. They don't all follow the same structure, so this did

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Using SPW PICC layer in josm

2016-02-29 Thread Julien Fastré

Bonjour,

On n'est jamais parvenu à obtenir une réponse claire de la part du SPW.
Mais je confirme ce qu'écrit André Pirard: pour eux, recopier nos
données n'est pas les utiliser => donc on pourrait tracer à partir du
PICC comme on le fait à partir de Bing!, selon eux. Le mieux (ou le
pire) c'est qu'ils ont rédigé leur nouvelle licence en partie pour
permettre à OSM d'utiliser ces données (il y a eu vraiment un travail de
ce côté), mais qu'elle reste floue pour qu'on le fasse.

Maintenant, s'ils se plaignent, je n'ai que des conversations
téléphoniques, des réunions et des échanges de courriels pour défendre
la personne qui serait mise en cause.

En Wallonie, on reste dans le domaine du compromis...

Julien

Le 28/02/16 11:28, Jo a écrit :
> Non
>
> So, unless someone claims i'm wrong, we should not use this at all, if
> you do... and a claim is made, that data will be removed from OSM by
> analysing the user names involved and their changesets.
>
> Il ne faut surtout pas l'utiliser. Tu risques d'avoir toutes tes
> contributions relatées expulsées de la base de données OSM.
>
> Polyglot
>
> 2016-02-28 10:53 GMT+01:00 lionel bulpa  >:
>
> Bonjour,
>
> J'ai lu vos réponses mais je n'ai pas réussi à en tirer une
> conclusion claire (je dois traduire le texte :P ) Pouvons-nous
> utiliser les données PICC?
>
> Merci
>
> Lionel
>
> 
> Date: Sat, 27 Feb 2016 14:47:57 +0100
> From: thib@gmail.com 
> To: talk-be@openstreetmap.org 
> Subject: Re: [OSM-talk-be] Using SPW PICC layer in josm
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks all for your answers.
>
> See you in Brussels for the State Of The Map 2016 !  :-)
> Cheers
>
> Thibaut
>  
>
> On Fri, Feb 26, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Thib  > wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> SPW PICC tiles layer is available in JOSM for mapping Belgian
> Southern area but I can't find enough information about the
> license terms.
>
> Is it allowed to :
> - copy (doing"calc") buildings and other objects boundaries
> (as we do with bing tiles)
> - get address house numbers
>
> I've found some old threads talking about that interesting
> source but no real answer...
>
> If someone has any information about it, It would be very useful.
>
> Thanks in advance.
> Regards,
>
> Thib
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping Party: infrastructure for the homeless

2016-02-29 Thread Julien Fastré

+1 :

- this was an interesting meeting : a lot of new contributors, very
interested in OSM and the topic they were handling.
- we should have prepared the data and mapping before. A lot of things
are missing in term of existing tag and I see an opportunity to make our
databaser more rich ;
- Dewey is interested in OSM and will consider adapting their categories
to our tagging system; I think we have a lot of gain in helping them.

This is a map of the most thing that were mapped since saturday morning
: [1], and the overpass query is there :
https://gist.github.com/julienfastre/c538a3983c6f8e133906 /!\ but it may
happen that some things are missing !!! /!\

Julien



[1]
http://overpass-turbo.eu/map.html?Q=%5Bout%3Ajson%5D%5Btimeout%3A50%5D%3B%0A%2F%2F%20fetch%20area%20%E2%80%9CBelgium%E2%80%9D%20to%20search%20in%0Aarea(3602404020)-%3E.searchArea%3B%0A%2F%2F%20gather%20results%0A(%0A%20%20%2F%2F%20query%20part%20for%3A%20%E2%80%9Cdrinking%20water%E2%80%9D%0A%20%20node%5B%22amenity%22%3D%22drinking_water%22%5D(area.searchArea)%3B%0A%20%20way%5B%22amenity%22%3D%22drinking_water%22%5D(area.searchArea)%3B%0A)-%3E.d%3B%0A%0A%2F%2F%20filter%20since%2010%20UTC%0A(%0Anode.d(changed%3A%222016-02-27T00%3A00%3A00Z%22)%3B%0Away.d(changed%3A%222016-02-27T00%3A00%3A00Z%22)%3B%0A)%20-%3E.drinking%3B%0A%0A%0A(%0A%20%20%2F%2F%20query%20part%20for%3A%20%E2%80%9Csocial%20facility%E2%80%9D%0A%20%20node%5B%22amenity%22%3D%22social_facility%22%5D(area.searchArea)%3B%0A%20%20way%5B%22amenity%22%3D%22social_facility%22%5D(area.searchArea)%3B%0A)-%3E.s%3B%0A%0A%2F%2F%20filter%20modified%20since%2010%20UTC%0A(%0A%20%20node.s(changed%3A%222016-02-27T00%3A00%3A00Z%22)%3B%0Away.s(changed%3A%222016-02-27T00%3A00%3A00Z%22)%3B%0A%20%20)-%3E.social%3B%0A%0A(%0A%20%20%2F%2F%20query%20part%20for%3A%20%E2%80%9Camenity%20%3D%20reuse%E2%80%9D%0A%20%20node%5B%22amenity%22%3D%22reuse%22%5D(area.searchArea)%3B%0A%20%20way%5B%22amenity%22%3D%22reuse%22%5D(area.searchArea)%3B%0A)-%3E.r%3B%0A%0A%2F%2F%20filter%20modified%20since%2010%20UTC%0A(%0A%20%20node.r(changed%3A%222016-02-27T00%3A00%3A00Z%22)%3B%0A%20%20way.r(changed%3A%222016-02-27T00%3A00%3A00Z%22)%3B%0A%20%20)-%3E.reuse%3B%0A%0A(%0A%20%20%2F%2F%20query%20part%20for%20second%20hand%20shops%0A%20%20%20%20node%5B%22second_hand%22~%22yes%7Conly%22%5D(area.searchArea)%3B%0A%20%20%09way%5B%22second_hand%22~%22yes%7Conly%22%5D(area.searchArea)%3B%0A%20%20)-%3E.m%3B%0A%0A(%0A%20%20node.m(changed%3A%222016-02-27T00%3A00%3A00Z%22)%3B%0A%20%20way.m(changed%3A%222016-02-27T00%3A00%3A00Z%22)%3B%0A%20%20)-%3E.shops%3B%0A%20%20%20%20%20%20%20%0A%20%20%20(%20node.social%3B%20way.social%3B%20node.drinking%3B%20way.drinking%3B%20node.reuse%3B%20way.reuse%3B%20way.shops%3B%20node.shops%3B)%3B%20%20%20%20%0A%0A%2F%2F%20print%20results%0Aout%20body%3B%0A%3E%3B%0Aout%20skel%20qt%3B

Le 28/02/16 09:16, Jo a écrit :
> I think the mapping party yesterday was quite a success. Still it could have 
> been better, if we had been able to preview and preprocess the data. I added 
> links to the Google Spreadsheet that open JOSM in the right spot now, but 
> it's a bit "after the fact" > >
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1S8-iYBLkmckprwQzetjzFn98I9ai1v2GZAYZLtHTbA4/edit#gid=1796817314
> > I had to use some 'magic' regular expressions incantations to
separate French from Dutch descriptions and to attempt to split the
addresses. They don't all follow the same structure, so this didn't work
very well. If we do this again, it would be better to have separate
columns for each potential tag we may want to use. > > Unfortunately I
was not able to answer most of the questions I got. It's a difficult
theme to start with and I feel our tagging is lacking a bit once you
want to go into specifics or when facilities fall in several categories
at once. > > On the one hand I think the participants did a great job,
but now it's important to have QC on their work, as we had to improvise
quite often. > > In the Google Docs spreadsheet, I added the tags I
believe we should have used, but if you use the links I created, you'll
find those are not always the ones that were used. > > I think, now it's
quite convenient to jump into the map, using those "Open in JOSM" links.
Are there contributors who want to have a look at them? > > Cheers, > >
Polyglot > > 2016-02-24 9:03 GMT+01:00 Julien Fastré <jul...@fastre.info
<mailto:jul...@fastre.info>>: > >
> Hi,
>
> Le 24/02/16 03:47, joost schouppe a écrit :
> > One hour is definitely enough IMHO, if you can focus on a limited
> number of tasks. For the Missing
> Maps, we have less than half an hour + a paper starters guide. I can
> send you the English version.
> I am really interested in your presentation !
>
> Julien
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping Party: infrastructure for the homeless

2016-02-24 Thread Julien Fastré


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Le 24/02/16 03:47, joost schouppe a écrit :
> One hour is definitely enough IMHO, if you can focus on a limited number of 
> tasks. For the Missing
Maps, we have less than half an hour + a paper starters guide. I can
send you the English version.
I am really interested in your presentation !

Julien
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[OSM-talk-be] Need help for a mapathon campus géo - 16th April 2016

2016-02-23 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

== French message below ==

The Subcommittee Cartography and GIS of the Belgian National Committee
of Geography (I did not know that this entity is existing) is planning a
'missing maps' event at all Belgian universities willing to participate
which, at the same time, should be a communication event in the
framework of the International Map Year [1].

This event will take place on the 16th April.

They are requesting some help from contributors, on the technical aspect
(editing with iD, JOSM, explaining what is OSM, ...).

The event should take place (as I understood) in Louvain-La-Neuve (UCL)
and Brussels (ULB/VUB), and in Gent (UGent) [2].

(I am not able to give some help this day).

If you would like to give some help, could you make a contact with
Eléonor Wolff at ewo...@ulb.ac.be ?

Thanks for them !!


=== Message en français ===

Bonjour,

Le comité "cartographie and SIG" du "Comité National Belge de
Géographie" (je ne savais même pas que ça existait) planifie une
"missing maps" dans toutes les universités belges volontaires. Au même
moment, il devrait y avoir un événement organisé dans le cadre de
"l'année internationla de la cartographie" [1].

L'événement aura lieu le 16 avril.

Ils ont besoin d'aide en plusieurs endroits pour des questions
techniques, comme par exemple apprendre à éditer avec iD ou JOSM, etc.

De ce que j'ai compris, ça aura lieu au moins à Louvain-la-Neuve (UCL),
et à Bruxelles (ULB/VUB), et à Gent (UGent) [3].

Si vous avez une journée ou une partie de la journée à donner, ça
pourrait être intéressant !

Dans ce cas, pourriez-vous prendre contact avec Eléonore Wolff à
l'adresse suivante : ewo...@ulb.ac.be ?

Merci pour eux!


Julien

[1] http://mapyear.org/, http://www.internationalmapyear.be/
[2] But I think Joost Schouppe is already in contact with UGent
[3] Je pense que Joost Schouppe est déjà en contact avec l'UGent

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapping Party: infrastructure for the homeless

2016-02-23 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

Thanks, Joost, for this post. Those time, I am quite busy and I feel
sorry not to be able to share such things (I had seen that Johan had
forwared the mail, so I thought that it was a bit less urgent).

We were requested to make a presentation about OSM for newbie level.
Those newbies should be able to edit OSM within 1 hour... I think this
is quite optimistic, but let's see... I think the most important is to
understand "what is OSM" and "what are the advantages for me".

I wrote "we" because (this is an information we get this morning) we
should make two presentation. It seems that there are more than 30
participants. One presentation should be in French, the other one in
English (I imagine that there are Dutch-speaking people, but the
organizer are quite afraid that I speak Dutch (I do not have problem
with speaking in Dutch, but my audience do have :-) )).

I will stay there in the afternoon. I will be happy to meet you there.

Julien

Le 23/02/16 09:25, joost schouppe a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> After posting to the osgeo group, I got some feedback from Gael there.
> Apparently, Julien Fastree is involved, so that's good. Here's the feedback:
> 
> "
> Some information about our source, actually Dewey (a local association
> in brussels,http://dewey.be/dewey-maps/ ) have collect point
> information, this would be the major contribution; some of them could be
> usefull for NGO who work around this target thematic.
> 
> it is possible that local NGO  could give certain of their resource.
> 
> The finality is to consolidate all this information’s and to
> perennialize it in a single source.
> 
> We are conscious of the constraint quality and will take care of it by
> supervising the various participants.
> 
> Julien Fastrée, will be there to draw the attention of the participants,
> but if other contributors are available they are welcome.
> "
> 
> Looks like a cool project, all hands welcome!
> 
> Op 8-feb.-2016 08:19 schreef "joost schouppe"  >:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Some time back, Johan Van de Wauw wrote to this list to talk about
> mapping infrastructure for the homeless. Apparently, the group was
> very enthusiastic about OSM, as they are organizing a mapping party
> on the subject.
> 
> From what I heard, the idea is to take already collected information
> and share it with OSM. I do not know exactly how they will do this,
> if they know enough about tagging schemes and external data use etc.
> From what I understand, the idea is definitely not just doing a
> massive import, but doing it bit by bit.
> 
> Maybe Johan can clarify here, or you can ask Christophe
> cloquetchristo...@my-poppy.eu .
> 
> The event will be February 27th, in Brussels. Registration is required:
> https://www.eventbrite.com/e/cartopartie-sans-abris-tickets-21114409768 
> 
> Info als at the OSGeo wiki
> :https://wiki.osgeo.org/wiki/OSGeo-BE-Cartopartie_sans-abri_27.02.2016
> 
> Anyone is invited, but I can imagine that more experienced mappers
> could be quite helpful.
> 
> I would like to share this on our Meetup and Twitter accounts, but
> first I'd like to know more  details about the event.
> 
> Joost
> 
> 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] UrbIS aerial pictures for Brussels on OSM - Vues aériennes UrbIS 2015 sur OSM

2015-11-24 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi Bruno,
Hi the list

You can add easily the WMS server of Urbis in JOSM.

In JOSM, press F12 (or Edition/Preferences) and choose WMS/TMS menu.

In the field "Fournisseurs actifs" (en français), click on the "+ WMS".
Add the URL [1] in the required field, and click on "get the layers".
You will see all the layer available !

Choose your layer and give him a name.

Open the main window with Brussels data, and click on "Imagerie". You
will see the new layer in the list: choose him. You will have a problem
with projections [MODE PRIVATE JOKE ON] Hi André! [MODE PRIVATE JOKE
OFF], click on "ok".

The image are very good !

Julien

[1]
http://geoserver.gis.irisnet.be/urbis/wms?service=wms=1.3.0=GetCapabilities

Le 24/11/15 12:50, Glenn Plas a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> 
> Bing is usually a bad idea to use as it has issues with offset at the
> deepest zoomlevels.   Especially when you use it to 'fix' existing
> buildings, you might find some community anger coming your way :)
> 
> You end up thinking all OSM Buildings are offset when they are not (if
> source=Bing, they probably are).
> 
> You can use AGIV for Brussels, it's much more accurate and should be the
> one to verify others.
> 
> The (new) link just passed on the list , sent by Stijn Rombauts
> 
> https://www.agiv.be/news/2015/november/webdiensten-grb-orthofotos-historische-kaarten-vernieuwd
> 
> Check out these links to get the idea how to add an AGIV layer:
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Gilbert54/JOSM
> 
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Using_AGIV_Crab_data/AGIV_Website_as_Reference
> 
> Glenn
> 
> 
> On 24-11-15 11:37, Bruno Veyckemans wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I became an enthusiastic OSM mapper following Julien Fastré's
>> presentation at Foss4G BE last month, and now have big projects to map
>> all I can in Brussels. 
>>
>> I focus on using Overpass / PHP to create listings and see what's
>> missing in the capital (museums, parks, churches, artwork,
>> hospitals...), such as: http://ici.brussels/liste-musees (website in
>> french, but I take care to add tags in FR/NL/EN... By the way, I would
>> be glad if some users helped to fill the blanks).
>>
>> My question is about OSM's Bing imagery. I know Brussels has beautiful
>> and precise 2015 aerial pictures thanks to UrbIS (see here:
>> http://geoloc.irisnet.be/ , ArcGIS server), but I don't know how to use
>> it in OSM to map Brussels (their 2015 WMS isn't yet available). Do you
>> think it's possible ?
>>
>> ---
>>
>> Bonjour à tous,
>>
>> Je suis devenu un "mapper" enthousiaste d'OSM à la suite de la
>> présentation de Julien Fastré au Foss4G BE le mois dernier, et j'ai
>> maintenant des projets assez ambitieux pour compléter tout ce que je
>> peux en Région bruxelloise.
>>
>> J'utilise Overpass et PHP pour générer des listes des infrastructures de
>> la capitale (musées, parcs, églises, oeuvres d'art, hôpitaux...) comme
>> celle-ci: http://ici.brussels/liste-musees (et je serais heureux si
>> certains se joignaient à moi pour compléter les tags manquants).
>>
>> Ma question porte sur les images satellites d'OSM, fournies par Bing. Je
>> sais que Bruxelles possède des images aériennes de 2015 beaucoup plus
>> belles et précises grâce à UrbIS (par exemple ici:
>> http://geoloc.irisnet.be/ ), mais je ne sais pas comment les utiliser
>> dans les outils d'édition d'OSM. Pensez-vous que ce soit possible ? J'ai
>> notamment envie de redessiner les chemins du Cimetière de Bruxelles,
>> parfaitement visibles sur BrugIS 2015 mais pas sur Bing, et d'y ajouter
>> ses tombes célèbres...
>>
>>
>> Merci/Thanks/Dank u et belle journée malgré le #BrusselsLockdown
>> Bruno - ici.Brussels
>>
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[OSM-talk-be] Packaging Urbis ortho by default in JOSM

2015-11-24 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

I have read a message from Polyglot some months ago about adding some
WMS services by default in JOSM.

Would it be possible to add the urbis ortho amongst those services ? I
think we had to add the link into a CVS/Git repository, or something
like that.

Does someone have the power to do that ? For newbies (like the recet
message) it would be useful. We could also update the AGIV luchtfotos
link.

More info about the WMS server from urbis :

http://cirb.brussels/fr/nos-solutions/urbis-solutions/urbis-tools

The WMS "get capabilities" link :

http://geoserver.gis.irisnet.be/urbis/wms?service=wms=1.3.0=GetCapabilities

Julien

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Programme du Users Club UrbIS du 11 juin 2015 / Programma voor de UrbIS Users Club van 11 juni 2015

2015-06-29 Thread Julien Fastré



Le 28/06/15 13:42, Nicolas Pettiaux a écrit :
 Le 2015-06-12 9:43, Julien Fastré a écrit :
 Hi !

 I had a presentation yesterday. It was very fine, the audience reach +/-
 100 peoples from different administration of Brussels Capital Regio.

 Here are the slides :
 http://fr.slideshare.net/Julienfastre/openstreetmap-et-urbis-urbis-user-club-11-juin-201511-juni-2015


 Bravo Julien et grand merci.

 Je lis que 630 batiments de Bruxelles ville ne sont pas dans OSM.

 Je propose l'organisation d'une cartopartie à Bruxelles ville en août
 ou septembre pour mapper ces batiments qui manque. Et faire cela avec
 la participation et le soutien de 1/ la ville de Bruxelles
 2/ de l'association du tourisme de Bruxelles, 3/ de l'association des
 brasseurs et restaurateurs bruxellois, 4/ du Gracq.

 Qu'en pensez-vous ?

 Nicolas

Salut,

D'après les conversations que j'ai eu avec emerzh, il ne s'agit pas
forcément de bâtiments manquants.

Soit :

- la référence n'a pas été ajoutée à l'objet dans OSM, mais le bâtiment
y est ;
- les données d'URBIS utilisées ne sont pas à jour (seules celles de
2013 ont été transformées en fichiers .osm et sont facilement
utilisables), et les bâtiments n'existent plus

Donc il faudrait identifier d'abord ces 630 bâtiments, et voir ce qu'il
en est.

Après la discussion avec Urbis et de ce que j'en ai vu, il y aurait
deux-trois choses à faire :

- mettre en place une routine pour avoir des données urbis à jour en
fichiers .osm ;
- continuer la comparaison entre les données .osm et les fichiers urbis
à jour (nb de bâtiments manquants, localisation)

Pour ces deux points il faudrait trouver quelqu'un qui a du temps et les
connaissances pour le faire...

Et puis, chose simple, il faudrait renseigner le WMS avec les
orthophotos d'URBIS dans JOSM, comme cela a été fait avec la Région
Wallonne et l'AGIV.

Julien


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Cycle surveying party in Brussels ?

2015-06-16 Thread Julien Fastré

Bonjour,

Bienvenu, Lionel !

 Hors sujet:  utilises-tu OSM dans le cadre des scouts ? As-tu
 déjà
eu des contacts avec ta fédération scoute pour en parler ?

 dans le sujet: Lionel: si ton contact est au GRACQ dans ton
 coin,
tu peux peut-être reproduire l'idée de Mathieu en Wallonie :-)


 pour tous, dans le sujet :

Mathieu: as-tu déjà des contacts avec les locales du GRACQ à
Bruxelles? Je pense que c'est eux qu'il faudrait sensibiliser.
Souvent, la difficulté est de manipuler les outils carto. Mais envoyer
des phtoos, à mon avis c'est plus facile et ça pourrait faire avancer
le schmilblick.

Julien



Le 16/06/15 10:31, lionel bulpa a écrit :
 Bonjour à tous,
 
 Cela fait quelques semaines que je vous ai rejoint et que je map
 pour OSM. Je vais donc me présenter,  Je m'appelle Lionel, j'habite
 Namur et j'ai 18 ans, je suis animateur éclaireur et je pratique la
 course d'orientation à l'occasion.
 
 Pour revenir au but du message (ma première participation Emoji)
 
 Si vous voulez, je connais quelqu'un du GRACQ avec qui je pourrais
 vous mettre en contact, malheureusement il ne travail pas sur
 Bruxelles mais c'est déjà un contact dans l'organisation.
 
 Un petit problème c'est qu'en tant que débutant, je ne connais pas 
 encore toutes les ficelles d'OSM, je pense donc que le mieux c'est
 que je vous mettent en contact.
 
 
 Bien à vous
 
 Lionel
 
 

 
Date: Tue, 16 Jun 2015 09:33:08 +0200
 From: winfi...@gmail.com To: talk-be@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re:
 [OSM-talk-be] Cycle surveying party in Brussels ?
 
 Idée top! Quant au brainstorm... Mapper utilisant Mapillary en
 vélo c'est faisable, mais à 25km/h les petits panneaux qui nous
 intéressent ne seront pas toujours photographiés correctement. En
 outre il faudrait un support pour fixer le GSM sur le vélo.
 L'alternatif c'est ce que moi je fais, j'utilise un 'lanyard' et un
 'élastique'. De cette façon-là je peux tenir le Smartphone en main,
 sans risquer qu'il tombe.
 
 C'est bien pour prendre des photos, mais ce n'est pas très
 'relax', comme on n'a qu'une main pour guider le vélo.
 
 En court, le vélo c'est parfait pour faire des photos Mapillary,
 mais il manquera toujours des vues, comme les photos sont à un
 intervalle de 2 secondes. Bien sûr, s'il y a beaucoup de cyclistes,
 il y aura plus de photos aussi. (avec plus de cyclistes dedans,
 lol).
 
 C'est dire que pour le réseau Wallonie Picarde il me semble
 intéressant de le mapper en vélo, mais au centre de Bruxelles,
 aller à pied me semblerait plus indiqué. Mais convaincre un
 cycliste d'aller à pied ou de s'arrêter pour faire des close up des
 panneaux indicateurs me semble un défi en soi...
 
 De toute façon ça m'intéresse et j'essayerai de vous joindre.
 
 Jo
 
 
 
 
 2015-06-15 16:44 GMT+02:00 Matthieu Gaillet mgwebm...@fastmail.fm 
 mailto:mgwebm...@fastmail.fm:
 
 Bonjour à tous,
 
 J’ai dans dans l’idée de mettre sur pied une opération de
 surveying participative axée sur les aménagements cyclables à
 Bruxelles. J’ai remarqué que cet aspect des choses était assez peu
 ou mal mappé à Bruxelles.
 
 L’idée serait grosso-modo de monter cette opération en
 collaboration avec les associations de défense des droits des
 cyclistes Gracq et Fietserbond et de demander à leur membre
 d’utiliser Mapillary pour enregistrer leur relevés sur le terrain
 (les rendants ainsi disponible à d’autres utilisateurs pour
 d’autres usages d’ailleurs). On leur assignerait un secteur
 déterminé dans lequel ils photographieraient tout ce qui est
 relevant du point de vue cycliste.
 
 Ces données seraient ensuite utilisée par un team de mappeurs 
 volontaires.
 
 Qu’en pensez-vous ?
 
 Merci pour le brainstorm.
 
 Matthieu
 
 
 
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 culturel *** +32 495 26 78 97 http://www.lebrass.be/
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Programme du Users Club UrbIS du 11 juin 2015 / Programma voor de UrbIS Users Club van 11 juni 2015

2015-06-12 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi !

I had a presentation yesterday. It was very fine, the audience reach +/-
100 peoples from different administration of Brussels Capital Regio.

Here are the slides :
http://fr.slideshare.net/Julienfastre/openstreetmap-et-urbis-urbis-user-club-11-juin-201511-juni-2015

Regards,
Julien Fastré

Le 21/05/15 12:51, Julien Fastré a écrit :
 Bonjour,
 
 On parlera d'OSM au prochain urbis club...
 
 Julien
 
 
  Message transféré 
 Sujet :   Programme du Users Club UrbIS du 11 juin 2015 / Programma voor
 de UrbIS Users Club van 11 juni 2015
 Date :Thu, 21 May 2015 09:57:17 +
 De :  HANNECART Claude channecart@cirb.brussels
 Pour :Undisclosed recipients:;
 
 
 
 imap://julien%2efastre%40champs-libres%2ec...@mail.champs-libres.coop:143/fetch%3EUID%3E.INBOX%3E6707?part=1.2filename=image001.jpg
 
 *Programme du Users Club UrbIS
 du 11 juin 2015***
 
   
 
 
   * *
 
   
 
 *Programma voor de UrbIS Users Club van 11 juni 2015***
 
 CIRB : Avenue des Arts 21 – 1000 Bruxelles
 
   
 
  
 
   
 
 CIBG: Kunstlaan 21 – 1000 Brussel
 
 *9 h 30 : Introduction (5 min)*
 
   
 
  
 
   
 
 *9.30 uur: Inleiding (5 min.)*
 
 *9 h 35 : Urbis AAS  la Vidéo Protection en région bruxelloise (30 min)*
 
   
 
  
 
   
 
 *9.35 uur: Urbis AAS  de Videobescherming in het Brussels Gewest (30 min)*
 
 Urbis s’est logiquement et immédiatement imposé comme solution de
 cartographie dans le cadre du projet régional de Vidéo Protection.
 
 Et cela se décline sous 2 formes :
 
 · D’une part comme outil interne de localisation des caméras et
 liaisons réseau permettant d’avoir une vue d’ensemble de la couverture
 du territoire et de prévoir de nouvelles implémentations
 
 · D’autre part comme fond de plan pour l’application de gestion
 Vidéo livrée par l’éditeur de logiciel Genetec.
 
 Après une brève introduction sur le projet de Vidéo Protection, *Mr
 Christian Banken* fera une démonstration des 2 outils.
 
   
 
  
 
   
 
 Van meet af aan bleek UrbIS de logische kaartoplossing in het kader van
 het gewestelijke videobeschermingsproject.
 
 Dit krijgt op 2 manieren invulling:
 
 · enerzijds fungeert UrbIS als interne tool voor de lokalisatie
 van de camera’s en de netwerkaansluitingen.
 Op die manier ontstaat een totaalbeeld van het grondgebied en ligt de
 weg naar nieuwe toepassingen open.
 
 · Anderzijds fungeert UrbIS ook als basiskaart voor de
 videomanagementtoepassing die aangeleverd wordt door softwaremaker Genetec.
 
 Na een korte inleiding over het videobeschermingsproject zal *dhr.
 Christian Banken* van de 2 tools een demonstratie geven.
 
 *10 h 05 : Les outils de vérification des bâtiments 3D (20 min)*
 
   
 
 * *
 
   
 
 *10.05 uur: Tools voor het controleren van gebouwen in 3D (20 min)*
 
 Le CIRB a attribué un marché pluriannuel (2014-2016) au consortium
 Aerodata-Avineon pour la correction et la mise à jour de la couche des
 bâtiments 2D et 3D.
 
 *La société GIM* présentera les contrôles qui ont été développés à la
 demande du CIRB avec l’aide de l’outil FME pour vérifier le niveau de
 qualité des données fournies.
 
   
 
  
 
   
 
 Het CIBG heeft een meerjarenopdracht (2014-2016) toegewezen aan het
 consortium Aerodata-Avineon voor de correctie en bijhouding van de
 gebouwenlaag in 2D en 3D. *De firma GIM* zal de controles voorstellen,
 die op vraag van het CIBG, die met behulp van de tool FME ontwikkeld
 werden om de kwaliteit van de aangeleverde gegevens te checken.
 
 *10 h 25 : La mise en conformité des données UrbIS suivant les
 spécifications de la directive INSPIRE (15 min)*
 
   
 
 * *
 
   
 
 *10.25 uur: De UrbIS-gegevens in overeenstemming brengen met de
 specificaties van de INSPIRE-richtlijn (15 min)*
 
 Le CIRB fera un bref état des lieux du travail de mise en conformité des
 données UrbIS aux spécifications INSPIRE.
 
   
 
  
 
   
 
 Het CIBG zal een korte stand van zaken schetsen over hoe ver het staat
 met dit project.
 
 *10 h 40 : Pause/networking (30 min)*
 
   
 
 * *
 
   
 
 *10.40 uur: Pauze / networking (30 min.)*
 
 *11 h 10 : OpenStreetMap: l'essentiel pour commencer à l'utiliser (30 min)*
 
   
 
 * *
 
   
 
 *11.10 uur: OpenStreetMap: alles wat u moet weten om ermee te beginnen
 werken (30 min)*
 
 OpenStreetMap (en abrégé, OSM) est une base de données géographiques
 collaborative, disponible sous licence libre.
 
 Depuis la libération des données d'Urbis, les contributeurs ont commencé
 à importer les données bruxelloises dans la base d'OSM.
 
 L'exposé de *Mr Julien Fastré* présentera l'état de cet import, les
 outils utilisés (ou pourquoi ils n'en utilisent pas). Et pour ceux qui
 souhaitent ré-utiliser les données d'OSM, quelques outils pour les extraire.
 
   
 
  
 
   
 
 OpenStreetMap (afgekort OSM) is een collaboratieve geografische database
 die onder open licentie verkrijgbaar is.
 
 Sinds de vrijgave van

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Wallonia to publish data from OSM

2015-06-05 Thread Julien Fastré

I was thinking about that when the dataset will be published on their
portal.

I was also thinking that a Communique de presse / persmededeling could
be published at this time.

Do you think it would be necessary to do it now ?

Julien

Le 05/06/15 10:48, Nicolas Pettiaux a écrit :
Great news. Much thanks.

Could you write a post on the topic that could for example be published on
OSM.be and that we could tweet on ?

Much thanks for sharing,

Nicolas

Le Ven 5 juin 2015 10:05, Julien Fastré a écrit :
Hi,

Yesterday, I had a technical meeting with SPW about publishing data on
their geoportail (http://geportail.wallonie.be).

They are going to test a way to export data from osm database with their
platform and publish it on their portail. I will write the metadata
information (if someone is interested in participating, please raise
your hand :-) ).

I think it's a good news that they are ready to dive into manipulating
osm data. I am in backup if they encounter difficulties.

The first dataset will be a list of amenities (objects with tag
amenity=*). It will be available under a csv and shapefile format, and
should be updated every week.

The dataset should be published in late September.

Regards,
Julien Fastré

Le 13/03/15 15:46, Julien Fastré a écrit :
Hi,

Second news about Wallonia / Service public de Wallonie.

From OpenBelgium we started a discussion with SPW.

1. They would be happy to publish data from OSM on the geoportail
(http://geoportail.wallonie.be) !

The idea is to help people to find data without having to learn how to
export them from OSM. They also have the will to support / help the
contributor's work, and let this work known by the public.

Currently, a first proposal of dataset to publish is a csv list of all
amenities in Wallonia. This would be useful for people who do not have
knowledge to export data from osm.

The second proposal which was discussed was vector data about walking
route (chemins balisés) (as here :
http://hikebikemap.org/?zoom=13lat=50.46lon=5.88). They have data
about Voies lentes
(http://geoportail.wallonie.be/cms/render/live/en/sites/geoportail/home/geocatalogue.html?mdUUID=ef6dff90-aa13-41af-acbd-39ed8af6800d),
they might add data about local routes on the geoportal, in a shapefile
or GML form.

Do you have other proposals which might be interesting to publish ? The
criteria are : provide useful things, or things we are proud to provide
(because it does not exists elsewhere, or because it is quite complete).

2. They are also thinking about using OSM tiles on WalOnMap. We will be
invited to a meeting about this topic soon.

Step by step, things goes progressing...

Julien

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Wallonia to publish data from OSM

2015-06-05 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

Yesterday, I had a technical meeting with SPW about publishing data on
their geoportail (http://geportail.wallonie.be).

I think it's a good news that they are ready to dive into manipulating
osm data. I am in backup if they encounter difficulties.

The first dataset will be a list of amenities (objects with tag
amenity=*). It will be available under a csv and shapefile format, and
should be updated every week.

The dataset should be published in late September.

Regards,
Julien Fastré

Le 13/03/15 15:46, Julien Fastré a écrit :
Hi,

Second news about Wallonia / Service public de Wallonie.

From OpenBelgium we started a discussion with SPW.

1. They would be happy to publish data from OSM on the geoportail
(http://geoportail.wallonie.be) !

The idea is to help people to find data without having to learn how to
export them from OSM. They also have the will to support / help the
contributor's work, and let this work known by the public.

Currently, a first proposal of dataset to publish is a csv list of all
amenities in Wallonia. This would be useful for people who do not have
knowledge to export data from osm.

2. They are also thinking about using OSM tiles on WalOnMap. We will be
invited to a meeting about this topic soon.

Step by step, things goes progressing...

Julien

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] SPW PICC 2000 map on JOSM (not 2000)

2015-06-05 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

- Aucune contrainte d'accès pour la consultation

means that there is no constraints to consult the data.

For them, copying the data from the PICC into OSM by JOSM is not
copying... That's the answer I had. And as this is an answer which
agrees me, I won't try to have another, which would make me unhappy...
Unless not before we can gather a hundred of people in front of the
Governement Walloon to ask more, or simply have an hundred of people
joining open knowledje (http://www.openknowledge.be/) and creating a
mass movement.

The situation is not the best and it is not clear, I admit and they
reckon that, and some people are doing a great job inside the
administration to make things going better.

Philippe Henry is not Minister any more for one year, now. (off-topic :
And I am not sure that I would be happy if what a minister is decided is
immediatly executed... That's a part of democraty. Even if it slows down
things when they go in a way I am happy with. I prefer this situation).

The WMS service definition is not up to date, you already have mentioned
that.

Julien



Le 05/06/15 13:01, André Pirard a écrit :
 On 2015-06-04 14:57, Julien Fastré wrote :
 Hi Erik,

 This licence applies to the visualization service :
 http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/LicServicesSPW.pdf

 The text is quite uncomprehensible. I had a discussion with them that it
 is not forbidden if you copy that on a map and mix with other data (what
 we do in OSM).
 Hi Julien,
 
 This is what I see (as conditions particulières I suppose) (my display
 set to English language):
 
 Conditions d'accès et d'utilisation
   - Aucune contrainte d'accès pour la consultation
 - Les termes de la licence s'appliquent.
 http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/LicData.pdf
 - Les termes de la licence s'appliquent.
 http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/LicData.pdf
 Obtaining formalities 
 Pour toutes demandes, complétez le formulaire de licence
 (http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/LicData.pdf) et l'envoyer à
 helpdesk.ca...@spw.wallonie.be
 
 But I see absolutely no explanation of what consultation and license
 allow to do.
 
 You once wrote that Minister Henry has told SPW (his department) to open
 all their data.
 And later that we can now copy the data.
 
 Maybe Minister Henry should be asked to be sure that the answer is what
 he wants.
 Also making sure that the boundary data belongs to the Belgian people
 represented by its government.
 
 To put an end to these endless discussions (repeated for every server),
 I have once opened a JOSM ticket suggesting that JOSM could read the ©
 information from where it belongs in the server meta-data and display it
 to the JOSM user on first use of the server, any time the © is modified
 and on request.
 The ticket was closed with wontfix status.  That doesn't make © seem
 an important topic.
 The PICC meta-data contains:
 Fees/FeesAccessConstraints/AccessConstraints
 In which case JOSM should automatically suggest the user to send a
 prepared e-mail to
 ContactElectronicMailAddresshelpdesk.ca...@spw.wallonie.be/ContactElectronicMailAddress
 suggesting them to fill meta-data as AccessConstraints©-URL
 Iso-date/AccessConstraints
 and referring to an OpenStreetMap document explaining what ©-URL should
 explain clearly for OSM usage.
 
 These are facts and is is in no way trying to convince that anybody is
 doing bad job as you claim, but is my usual suggestions to improve the
 situation.
 Unfortunately, they cannot be written in two lines as you request, just try.
 
 PS: I made a confusion when calling it PICC 2000 with DWG 2000 which is
 a data distribution format.
 PICC was created in 1991 and the last data update is 2015-01-08.
 But that does not say what exactly was updated and I don't see in PICC
 houses that are built for a long time, hence my confusion.
 Anyway, checking with the aerial layer is necessary, that's a reason why
 I made PICC transparent.
 
 André.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

 Julien

 Le 29/05/15 21:21, Erik Beerten a écrit :
 Hello,

 I am Flemish but regularly mapping things in the south of Belgium.
 To be clear, is it correct that all map data on the Walloon PICC 2000
 (including the shape of the buildings) are free for copying to OSM?
 PICC is about the same as the Flemish AGIV GRB map but the building
 shapes on that map may not be copied.

 Regards,

 Erik




 Op 23-05-15 om 18:14 schreef André Pirard:
 On 2015-05-15 15:13, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote :
 Dear all,

 I want to learn how to use JOSM and benefit from your work, and use
 the belgian settings whatever this is that as I suppose simplify
 the tasks.
 ...
 Bon maintenant,

 Regarding the Belgian settings, I have mentioned before that JOSM
 requires WMS EPSG:4326/3857 and reported to SPW in 2010 and here later
 that the best WA server, which was the PICC server, returned blank
 4326 tiles. It even contained many WMS configuration errors such that
 JOSM failed to configure it automatically.  There have been no
 follow-ups to those

Re: [OSM-talk-be] SPW PICC 2000 map on JOSM

2015-06-04 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi Erik,

This licence applies to the visualization service :
http://geoportail.wallonie.be/files/LicServicesSPW.pdf

The text is quite uncomprehensible. I had a discussion with them that it
is not forbidden if you copy that on a map and mix with other data (what
we do in OSM).

Julien

Le 29/05/15 21:21, Erik Beerten a écrit :
Hello,

I am Flemish but regularly mapping things in the south of Belgium.
To be clear, is it correct that all map data on the Walloon PICC 2000
(including the shape of the buildings) are free for copying to OSM?
PICC is about the same as the Flemish AGIV GRB map but the building
shapes on that map may not be copied.

Regards,

Erik

Op 23-05-15 om 18:14 schreef André Pirard:
On 2015-05-15 15:13, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote :
Dear all,

I want to learn how to use JOSM and benefit from your work, and use
the belgian settings whatever this is that as I suppose simplify
the tasks.
...
Bon maintenant,

Regarding the Belgian settings, I have mentioned before that JOSM
requires WMS EPSG:4326/3857 and reported to SPW in 2010 and here later
that the best WA server, which was the PICC server, returned blank
4326 tiles. It even contained many WMS configuration errors such that
JOSM failed to configure it automatically. There have been no
follow-ups to those comments, just that they are not interesting.
I have lately discovered purely by chance that the PICC bugs are now
corrected. It's possible to configure it with JOSM.

The optimized PICC configuration can be installed with:
JOSMImageryImagery PreferencesRefresh
JOSMImageryImagery Preferencesselect BE|SPW(allonie) PICC 2000
numerical imageryActivate

You may want to remove layer 49 to prevent redundant street names
obscuring the highways:
In ...Selected entries:SPW(allonie) PICC...double-click column 2,
edit 49, out, return ... OK
Place names are in layers 56-60.

The maximum zoom is 21.
I have filed a request that JOSM scaled the images above that zoom.
This will be done in June (JOSM guys are really great!). While waiting:
JOSMWindowsLayersright-click SPW...PICC...turn OFF: Automatically
change resolution
JOSMView/Jump to Positionmap=21... or zoom=5 metres
(repeat each time the layer is added)

That PICC data is old (2000 I think, missing houses etc.).
I wish the more recent BASE imagery were available for JOSM.
But these do not support WMS EPSG:4326/3857 (;-) ).
PICC has a wonderful 25 cm precision.

May I recall that (airplane) *aerial **photographs are a pitfall* !!!
What you see of houses is rooftops. What must be tagged is ground
level walls.
Due to a varying shooting angle, the roofs are offset from the ground
polygon.
The offset can be as high as 2, 3, 4... meters, roughly 10 times the
precision.
The wall images are not vertical, you can see them often as a black
surface.
What must be tagged is the far end of that surface.
And the other end of the roof must be chopped by the same width.

PICC does all that calculation for you, you will notice it.
It sometimes looks like it is wrongly offset, but look twice, it is
right most of the time.
You will see that by comparing it with other tagging.

With http:...WMS...transparent=yes, use a dark gray JOSM background:
Add file ~/.josm/MyCSS.css containing:
canvas { background-color: #404040; }
and use it with:
OSMEditPreferencesMap Settings (3)Map Paint
Styles+~/.josm/MyCSS.css ... OK
OSMWindowsMap Paint Stylesselect MyCSS

Here is a sample of what PICC will look like on JOSM
http://geoservices.wallonie.be/arcgis/services/TOPOGRAPHIE/PICC/MapServer/WmsServer?SERVICE=WMSVERSION=1.1.1FORMAT=image/png8TRANSPARENT=falsebgcolor=404040REQUEST=GetMapSTYLES=SRS=EPSG:3857WIDTH=3000HEIGHT=1000BBOX=626381.8743881,6539659.6002846,627352.0063567,6539982.9776075LAYERS=0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22,23,24,25,26,27,28,29,30,31,32,33,34,35,36,37,38,39,40,41,42,43,44,45,46,47,48,49,50,51,52,53,54,55,56,57,58,59,60.
(with vector OSM on top and aerial orthos seeing through!)

Enjoy.

Cheers

André.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] RAVELS : changement de dénomination

2015-06-02 Thread Julien Fastré

Bonjour,

Je pense que la licence globale du SPW est d'application. On peut
utiliser le fond de plan de la RW pour recopier des données.

Je vois le département géomatique jeudi matin. Je peux leur demander.

Julien

Le 31/05/15 22:54, Matthieu Gaillet a écrit :
 
 C’est en effet par là que je vais commencer. Comme tu l’as sans doute
 lu, je suis occupé à faire du lobbying du coté de l’IDETA pour la WAPI à
 vélo.
 On va voir ce que ça va donner de ce côté, puis j’attaquerai du côté des
 RAVELS. J’ai justement une connaissance très au fait de la question et
 qui connaître probablement une personne à qui s’adresser de préférence.
 
 Je vous tiens au jus.
 
 Matthieu
 
 
 
 On 31 May 2015, at 22:11, Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.be
 mailto:nico...@pettiaux.be wrote:

 Bonjour Matthieu,
 Merci pour l'information et la proposition de suivi.

 D'après ce que je vois du site web (par ailleurs sur ma machine plus
 lent et plus lourd que OSM et openCycleMap) la licence n'est pas
 compatible avec OSM . Dommage. C'est peut-être un point à traiter avec
 les créateurs du site pour commencer ?

 Et aussi sur le long terme, leur proposer uen collaboration formelle
 avec la communauté OSM.

 Qu'en penses-tu ?

 Bien à toi,

 Nicolas


 Le 28/05/15 13:27, Matthieu Gaillet a écrit :

 Salut à tous,

 Du boulot pour nous en perspective :

 Nous vous informons que ces appellations RAVeL 1, 2, 3, 4 et 5 vont
 disparaître et être remplacées par 10 nouveaux itinéraires régionaux
 de longue distance et 4 internationaux. Un nouveau site Internet
 RAVeL est en cours de développement. Il sera prêt pour fin 2015. La
 nouvelle version des cartes RAVeL papier, qui sera publiée en juin
 2015, intégrera déjà la référence aux nouveaux itinéraires régionaux
 et internationaux.

 http://ravel.wallonie.be/opencms/opencms/fr/parcours/presentation_generale.html
 http://ravel.wallonie.be/opencms/opencms/fr/parcours/presentation_generale.html

 Y a-t-il un mappeur en particulier qui suit de près les ravels ?
 Sinon je veux bien coordonner les efforts pour mettre à jour les
 cartes et sans doute faire une petite remise à niveau, il me semble
 avoir constaté qu’il y avait de temps à autre des ruptures dans ces
 liaisons.

 Mais avant toute chose, avons-nous une déclaration de libération des
 données et l’autorisation de se référer à ce site web ? 

 Matthieu





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Re: [OSM-talk-be] La Wallonie picarde à vélo - TEST

2015-06-01 Thread Julien Fastré

Bonjour Mathieu,

Je suis content que quelqu'un fasse de l'évangélisation auprès de
pouvoirs publics sur l'ouverture de données.

Je pense que, parfois, il y a une certaine curiosité et certaines
ouvertures, et qu'en effet tout avance au rythme de l'administration (cf
ton mail du 29/05 à 14:25). J'ajouterai l'adjectif Wallonne  mais
c'est un peu espiègle :-)

Tiens bon dans ta démarche, ils vont sûrement avoir besoin de gens pour
répondre à leurs questions d'ici quelques mois.

Tu peux éventuellement faire référence au plan stratégique géomatique
wallon qui promeut l'ouverture des données de manière très claire. Les
mettre en contact avec certaines personnes au département géomatique du
SPW vaut peut-être la peine - je peux te les communiquer si besoin.

Bien à toi,
Julien



Le 28/05/15 20:01, Matthieu Gaillet a écrit :
 Hi Ben, thanks for your answer. You make a point here by submitting
 this document : it wasn’t clear to me that such document existed and
 was mandatory, at least against a simple authorisation email.

 Now I think that a public administration will for sure be afraid to
 sign such a document. They hate written things ;-)

 Let’s wait and see. Up to now : no answer.

 Matthieu

 On 27 May 2015, at 23:24, Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com
 mailto:ben.abelshau...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi,

 A bit difficult for me to follow (sorry, french still not very good,
 shame on me!) but if you want to use data like this you should have
 **them** sign a agreement that they grant permission to use the data
 in OSM and release it as ODbL. An email is never enough as permission
 to use data.

 The template letters can be found on the wiki:

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/GettingPermission#Letter_Template3

 I agree with Jo here:

 Donc IDETA doît décider s'ils veulent que nous effacions ce que a
 déjà été repris (avec leur permission)
 Et ils doivent décider si nous pouvons continuer avec les données
 qui nous étaient mises à disposition.
 De toute façon nous ne pouvons pas signer ce nouvel accord
 draconique qui contredit ce qui était convenu auparavant. Donc
 pas moyen de mettre à jour les données, sauf en les répérant sur
 place avec un peu plus de peine.


 Met vriendelijke groeten,
 Best regards,

 Ben Abelshausen
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[OSM-talk-be] About what I think that we can write and not write on a mailing list

2015-06-01 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

Le 29/05/15 11:53, André Pirard a écrit :
 Sauf que Polyglot dit que c'est dans dans les changesets que doivent
 se trouver ces informations et qu'il y a encore moins de chances que
 l'utilisateur ouvre l'history que le panneau de gauche, surtout quand
 Polyglot utilise l'history pour communiquer ses états d'âme.

 la meilleure manière de les voir est d'utiliser Waymarked Trails
 http://cycling.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=14lat=50.22969lon=5.3472hill=0#routes
 dans lequel on voit (cliquer sur Route et puis sur une route) que
 Polyglot n'a mis aucun © du tout.
I am a bit tired of this kind or remarks which does not help to build a
community based on cooperation, mutual learning, etc.

This is one of the cause I read the mailing list more and more sparsely
those times. I does worry that it might also afraid newcomers here.

May I ask you, André, to write message shorter (please restraint to a
couple of lines), with facts and not opinion, and which does not aim to
convince other people (especially you) that some mappers does wrong job
or that other people make mistakes ?

I would appreciate.

Julien



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[OSM-talk-be] meeting with CIRB

2015-03-24 Thread Julien Fastré

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Ben and I had a meeting with CIRB today.

CIRB is thinking about new projects for the coming years. They are
actually brainstorming/thinking/meeting people about what would be
interesting to develop.

They are also interested by OSM. They guess OSM can help them to
achieve their missions, but they are quite unclear about concretely
what to do. They also have some admiration for the work done by
contributors.

At first, they were thinking about change detection from OSM to
URBIS data. They think also about using OSM as background layer for
outside of the Brussels Regio (some of their clients (public
institutions in Brussels) are working around Brussels).

During the meeting, we explained some tools and organization that they
didn't know (they were quite well documented).

We stressed the discussion on one aspect: which interest do you have
into investing in OSM ? Our message: if you have some interest, you
could invest in differents manners to help improve the tools, the
data, or building the community...

We discussed some ideas like :

- - hosting some data or extracts for OSM on a future data portal. This
might help to promote our data, and help to improve them (the better
visibility we have, the better data we will have) ;
- - the cirb is interested in using OSM for starting cadastre of data
(like benches, street furnitures) that their customers
(municipalities, ...) could need. This would be great, because by
virality our licence will force those customers to redistribute freely
the improved data if they want to share it to a third person ;
- - hosting tiles with dedicated styles for Brussels/Belgium. (We
launched the idea to loan a server from the CIRB data center to the
OSM community :-))
- - the routing functionalities has also some interest for them ;

They also asked if osm contributors would be interested in diff of
urbis data : what has changed in their data from date X to date Y.
This would ease the update operation between urbis and OSM (we also
suggest to make a diff between their data and what is imported in OSM).

The CIRB is collecting those ideas, will write some internal documents
and continue the process internally. We will be kept in touch.

We also spoke about the mapping party on 25th of April !

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Local chapter OSMF

2015-03-24 Thread Julien Fastré

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I fully support the creation of a local chapter !

Julien

Le 23/03/15 12:31, Nicolas Pettiaux a écrit :
 
 Le Lun 23 mars 2015 12:15, Ben Abelshausen a écrit :
 Hi,
 
 On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Sander Deryckere
 sander...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Will OFKN as a VZW be the local chapter? Will it be a part of
 OFKN, or a new VZW? I guess it needs to be some sort of
 organisation.
 
 
 Thanks for an actual question! :-)
 
 The plan is that nothing will change, we will still be a working
 group in Open Knowledge Belgium but also a local chapter.
 
 As I read the new requirements of a local chapter this is
 perfectly ok. It used to be the case that we would have to be a
 seperate VZW focused on only OSM but that has changed.
 
 +1
 
 I am completely in favor of such a work and I am ready to
 contribute as much as I can
 
 Thanks,
 
 Nicolas
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

2015-03-17 Thread Julien Fastré

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Some alternatives :
http://alternativeto.net/software/trello/?license=opensource

I like loomio (https://www.loomio.org/) : very simple for beginners.
But the goal of loomio is to help group take decision, not to follow
up project - I am not sure this is what we are looking for, but it
worth mentioning it :-)

Julien

Le 17/03/15 09:33, Nicolas Pettiaux a écrit :
 Dear all,
 
 Trello me be good, but if we depend on an exterior actor for
 something we could do ourselves with free software, I would rather
 NOT use it.
 
 Please consider trac with its plugins, unless (which I doubt) it
 is difficult to install/maintain/use.
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

2015-03-17 Thread Julien Fastré

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Le 17/03/15 09:33, Nicolas Pettiaux a écrit :
 Dear all,
 
 Trello me be good, but if we depend on an exterior actor for
 something we could do ourselves with free software, I would rather
 NOT use it.
 
 Please consider trac with its plugins, unless (which I doubt) it
 is difficult to install/maintain/use.

+1

Julien
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

2015-03-17 Thread Julien Fastré

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Jo: Odoo is an ERP: do you think we have the need for accoutancy,
products management,  ??

We run Odoo at Champs Libres and the problem is their model is quite
closed. Of course, the code is open source, but they regularly decide
that their software need an upgrade, and the upgrade cost a lot of
money (around 1k€)...

Not affordable for us: we are considering to migrate to tryton
(http://www.tryton.org/)

Julien

Le 17/03/15 10:00, Jo a écrit :
 If you want to do it with free software all the way, consider
 Odoo...
 
 We can even test it, they provide it as a free cloud service. Of
 course, you'll have somebody breathing down your neck to upgrade
 your account...
 
 It is possible to install it on your own server and with greenodoo
 it's not even hard to do. But then we'll have the problem of
 needing a dedicated server for it, just like for trac. It needs
 Python and a PostgreSQL database.
 
 Jo
 
 
 
 2015-03-17 9:33 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.be 
 mailto:nico...@pettiaux.be:
 
 Dear all,
 
 Trello me be good, but if we depend on an exterior actor for 
 something we could do ourselves with free software, I would rather 
 NOT use it.
 
 Please consider trac with its plugins, unless (which I doubt) it
 is difficult to install/maintain/use.
 
 Thanks,
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Wallonia : new dataset : elevation data

2015-03-16 Thread Julien Fastré



Le 15/03/15 16:51, Marc Ducobu a écrit :
 I didn't get the meaning of your sentence : The SPW might us know
 that we are allowed to use their data for osm , can we already use it
 in OSM ?

Yes, we are allowed to use those date to draw objects in OSM database.

Julien Fastré

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[OSM-talk-be] Wallonia : new dataset : elevation data

2015-03-13 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

I have two news with SPW / Wallonia, I will separate those news into two
threads.

Wallonia has published this week a brand new digital elevation model :
http://geoportail.wallonie.be/cms/render/live/en/sites/geoportail/home/geocatalogue.html?mdUUID=1365808b-36f9-4cd3-8ca7-c5aafbe93170

This was calculated with lidar, with a vertical precision of 12 cm, and
around 1 dot/meter sq.

What about elevation ? Osm is in 2d, we do not gather elevation data !

I know about that; but what might be very intersting is that there is
also a [modèle numérique de surface / digital surface model.]

This allow us to see buildings and trees very clearly. Example here, in
Namur :
http://geoportail.wallonie.be/WalOnMap/#BBOX=185392.55536360716,185807.6874438713,128187.20688341379,128421.09901786472#MSS=MNS2013,true,100,0:true|;#BMS=FDP|100;FDPANNO|100;#TOC=MNS2013

Where shadows does not allow to see clearly where are the building
border, the DSM might help us. It also hide unuseful details.

Trees are also visible. And we might calculate the building height.

The SPW might us know that we are allowed to use their data for osm :-)

What do you think ?

Julien


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[OSM-talk-be] Wallonia to publish data from OSM

2015-03-13 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

Second news about Wallonia / Service public de Wallonie.

From OpenBelgium we started a discussion with SPW.

1. They would be happy to publish data from OSM on the geoportail
(http://geoportail.wallonie.be) !

The idea is to help people to find data without having to learn how to
export them from OSM. They also have the will to support / help the
contributor's work, and let this work known by the public.

Currently, a first proposal of dataset to publish is a csv list of all
amenities in Wallonia. This would be useful for people who do not have
knowledge to export data from osm.

The second proposal which was discussed was vector data about walking
route (chemins balisés) (as here :
http://hikebikemap.org/?zoom=13lat=50.46lon=5.88). They have data
about Voies lentes
(http://geoportail.wallonie.be/cms/render/live/en/sites/geoportail/home/geocatalogue.html?mdUUID=ef6dff90-aa13-41af-acbd-39ed8af6800d),
they might add data about local routes on the geoportal, in a shapefile
or GML form.

Do you have other proposals which might be interesting to publish ? The
criteria are : provide useful things, or things we are proud to provide
(because it does not exists elsewhere, or because it is quite complete).

2. They are also thinking about using OSM tiles on WalOnMap. We will be
invited to a meeting about this topic soon.

Step by step, things goes progressing...

Julien




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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016

2015-03-11 Thread Julien Fastré

I was wondering if we should not organize a state of the map belgium
first, to train us. I think this should also strengthen our community
and make speak about us.

This is also the [occasion/gelegenheid] to invite people from
administrations, companies, ... who are curious about OSM and are
wondering about how to participate.

Julien

Le 11/03/15 08:12, Nicolas Pettiaux a écrit :


 Le mer 11 mar 2015 à 7:15, Jo winfi...@gmail.com a écrit :
 Hmm, the wiki recommends a team of 3+ people. I dismissed the idea
 yesterday (when I read that call for venue), as I thought it would
 rather take a 20+ people team and we don't have that.

 You can count me in, but I only count for 50%...
 I would like us to be at least 5 . Yes, I think 20+ is needed for the
 event itself

 NP


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] follow up of meeting with press (La Libre)

2015-03-03 Thread Julien Fastré

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Thanks for the evangelisation, Nicolas !


Le 03/03/15 07:26, Nicolas Pettiaux a écrit :

 
 For such seminars, which will span beginners to advanced users, I
 will heavily rely on you, my dear fellows from OSM-be.

I am ready to give some help about that !

 
 I told the journalists that I consider that if the data and the
 tools are free (as in speech and beer), most of the times, our
 times are NOT. And that they will have to find a way to compensate
 us and most probably pay the speakers for OSM (or our association
 for us to gather some funds).
 
 Which Flemisch journalists / editors could we also contact ? Who
 is ready to help me in such an endeavor ?
 
 We should start organizing in the wiki some info : who is capable
 of teaching what.
 

Julien
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM Belgium

2014-10-10 Thread Julien Fastré

Thanks, Ben, for the explanation, your report and work. It was very
interesting reading it !

I may help on some subject, occasionnaly (I reckon time is missing for
me for osm-stuff those days). Ask if you need/think about something.

Julien

Le 09/10/14 17:50, Marc Gemis a écrit :
Thanks a lot for the update. I have to admit that I prefer mapping
above any of those items you are talking about. So I'm not a
candidate, except for working on the Mapper of the Month stuff.

On Thu, Oct 9, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Ben Abelshausen
ben.abelshau...@gmail.com mailto:ben.abelshau...@gmail.com wrote:

I still believe that we are way too small and the only and
sustainable way to keep improving the map is to get more people
involved. Strangely enough we almost never work to improve our
numbers.

Maybe because we never go outside. IMHO we have to go to clubs that
are interested in maps. We have to invite ourselves and give
presentations to walking, cycling, geogaching etc. clubs. They might
have a natural interest for good maps. This happened recently in the
UK
(http://www.mappa-mercia.org/2014/10/october-joint-social-meeting-with-beacon-roads-cycling-club.html)

Another group are retired people. There seems to be an organization
that organizes all kind of courses for them.

Yet another group are companies. Maybe through Unizo ?

But of course this takes time and requires talents (giving
presentations) that perhaps many mappers (including myself) do not have.

Meetups are nice, but require that people know somehow about the
project. It expects that they come to us. By forcing a presentation
upon them, they learn about the project.

Several of my co-workers are now finaly starting to use OSM for their
cycling GPSes, because I kept talking about it. Perhaps, one day, they
start mapping themselves.

Just my .5 cents

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM Belgium

2014-10-10 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

I did some translation on the hackpad.

Between [] there are some words/sentences I am not sure to have
understood or well translated.

I did not literal translation; I tryed that it seems quite fluent in
French... Jo (and all Dutch people who understand French), could you
check that the meaning is not completely different ?

Julien

Le 10/10/14 14:27, Marc Gemis a écrit :
 I've quickly cut out a part of the page... hopefully not a lot of
 people read it... :-)

 I'll send it separately to Julien.

 regards

 m

 On Fri, Oct 10, 2014 at 2:11 PM, Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be
 mailto:gl...@byte-consult.be wrote:

 Omg, you now blew the surprise by CC'ing the whole list!

 ;-)

 On 10-10-14 13:55, Jo wrote:
  Julien, Could you translate the questions of the questionnaire
 for the
  mapper of the month?
 
  https://hackpad.com/Mapper-van-de-maand-FlPmDih1QZs
 
  That would be great and some good practice for you Dutch skills :-)
 
  I could attempt it myself, but it would never be French like a
 native
  would have written it.




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Re: [OSM-talk-be] All served TEC and De Lijn stops are now present in Openstreetmap

2014-10-06 Thread Julien Fastré

Fantastic job, Jo !

Congratulations. Get all my admiration !

Julien

Le 03/10/14 12:17, Jo a écrit :
 Hi,
 
 All served TEC and De Lijn stops are now present in Openstreetmap. Yay!
 
 This doesn't mean the work is done though. Where possible I dragged the
 nodes toward a shelter or the word B U S painted on the asphalt. The
 flagpoles (De Lijn)/paddles (TEC) are not visible on the imagery though,
 so on site checking the positions in the field is still necessary.
 
 I wanted to have the stops in, as they form the basis for creating
 complete route relations.
 
 If there are people who feel like helping to add route relations for
 their favourite lines, please let me know. It's a tedious job, but I can
 help to make it a lot less work, than when one has to do everyting by hand.
 
 I can provide you with what I like to call skeleton route relations.
 They contain all stops for each variation in the correct order. I can
 also add the ways which are nearest to these stops. I use role to number
 them, but that has to be removed before uploading the routes.
 
 Cheers,
 
 Jo
 
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS for Wallonia

2014-09-24 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

Indeed, having a little baby at home take time...

I received an email last week from the SPW saying that there are a new 
conditions d'utilisation du service which allow us to copy data from
the Orthophoto and - maybe - other datas.


  je vous informe de la situation concernant 
 l'autorisation d'utilisation des orthophotos via nos services : nous 
 avons rédigé une _licence services qui est « générale »_.  Elle 
 s'applique aux différents cas de figure possibles et pas seulement à 
 l'utilisation des orthophotos.
(...)
 Puisque la « licence services » a été adoptée, celle-ci s'applique 
 donc.  
(...)
 Par application de celle-ci, les différents utilisateurs ont le droit 
 de se connecter aux serveurs du SPW, de digitaliser les ortho et de 
 réutiliser les fonds de plan produits par eux à des fins commerciales.
 Donc, elle répond aussi à votre demande !
Reading the licence, it is not said you may copy data to OSM, but they
say :

 Article 3. Principe
 §1 er . Sous réserve du paragraphe 2, le SPW permet l’accès et
 l’utilisation gratuits des services par
 tout utilisateur.
 §2. Les services à accès sécurisé font l’objet d’une autorisation dont
 les modalités sont décrites dans
 les métadonnées associées.
*
**We may use the services.* In Wallonia, some things happens in a quite
formal/informal way. Some people are not convinced by an official ODbL
licence, or CC-BY, but a lot of people are fighting for that inside the
SPW, and that's what we could reach, until now.

Julien


Le 24/09/14 06:57, Jo a écrit :
 Hi Gilbert,

 It would be good if that could be cleared up. I don't know who to ask
 though. It seems like Julien has other stuff to worry about at the moment.

 Jo

 2014-09-21 15:24 GMT+02:00 Gilbert Hersschens gherssch...@gmail.com
 mailto:gherssch...@gmail.com:

 I lost track of the conversation about using the aerial imagery
 for Wallonia from arcgis. Are we allowed to use them or not ?

 Regards, Gilbert

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS for Wallonia

2014-09-24 Thread Julien Fastré


Le 24/09/14 11:12, Jo a écrit :
 The way I read that, we do have permission, just like everybody else,
 to use their ortho pictures to 'digitalise' them and add the
 information to Openstreetmap.

 So that's great news.

 Par application de celle-ci, les différents utilisateurs ont le droit 
 de se connecter aux serveurs du SPW, de digitaliser les ortho et de 
 réutiliser les fonds de plan produits par eux à des fins commerciales.
 Donc, elle répond aussi à votre demande !

 §2. Les services à accès sécurisé font l’objet d’une autorisation
   dont les modalités sont décrites dans

   les métadonnées associées.

 This paragraph says that there is also other data for which a login is 
 required, which have other restrictions.



 So what do we use as the source string on the changesets?
We might use orthophoto, but potentially other datasources available as
WMS.

SPW:Ortho ?

 Can we add it to this page on the wiki?
I think we can !

 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Potential_Datasources#Belgium

 Jo




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Re: [OSM-talk-be] patrimoine classé | heritage list

2014-06-02 Thread Julien Fastré


Le 02/06/14 17:04, le loup qui rit a écrit :
 Bonjour,

 * concernant le clt* : j'ai appelé cette après-midi le département
 patrimoine. En fait clt ne veut rien dire d'autre que classement.
 Leur référence type 25112-CLT-0001-01
 http://lampspw.wallonie.be/dgo4/index.php?details=25112-CLT-0001-01thema=bc_pat
 n'est qu'une référence de base de donnée (attribué par le gestionnaire
 de la base. À part lui, personne ne savait réellement de quoi il
 s'agissait).
 Quoi qu'il en soit,
 puisque _heritage:operator=*_ appelle une administration
 puisqu'il y a risque de confusion avec l'unesco (qui utilise
 également l'abréviation clt)
 puisqu'il est recommandé d'éviter les abréviations dans les tags
 je crois qu'il serait opportun de changer clt.
 Comme proposé plus haut, je ferai bien soit qqch de plus simple.
 Quelques idées :
 - SPW/DGO4 (à mon avis, il ne faut pas être plus précis)
 - SPW/DGO4/Patrimoine (s'il faut préciser la direction)
 - le mieux serait de créer un urn, du type urn:belgium:wallonie:spw:
 etc. etc. mais on n'en est pas encore là...
 Pourquoi n'est-on pas encore là pour l'urn ? Je trouve ça une très
 bonne idée. Et si c'est compliqué pour l'urn, il me semble que
 l'option _heritage:operator=DépartementPatrimoine_ soit plus proche
 des tags des pays étranger...
Pour l'URN, il faudrait trouver un identifiant unique, qui serait
valable dans plusieurs contextes, et agréé par l'IANA :
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uniform_Resource_Name

Ca ne me semble pas envisageable pour le moment, bien qu'il existe un
groupe de travail du W3C où cela pourrait être discuté :
http://www.w3.org/community/opengov/

Pour moi, département patrimoine n'est pas suffisant : des départements
patrimoines, on en rencontre à plusieurs endroits.

Finalement, ne se contenterait-on pas de wallonie.be ? Ou SPW ?



 * concernant la source* : je suis tout à fait d'accord avec André
 pour le lien. Pour citer le moniteur : _source:heritage=*lien*_
 *www.ejustice.just.fgov.be/cgi/article_body.pl?numac=2013027070caller=listarticle_lang=Frow_id=1numero=1pub_date=2013-03-08language=frfr=f

Ok pour moi.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] patrimoine classé | heritage list

2014-05-28 Thread Julien Fastré

Bonjour,

Pour commencer, as-tu d'autres exemples de patrimoine qui auraient déjà
été classés ? Comment c'est fait ailleurs ?

Le 25/05/14 17:16, le loup qui rit a écrit :
 Bonjour à tous,

 Bon, pour commencer, je m'appelle Corentin. Je suis étudiant en
 architecture et je contribue à Osm depuis 2009. J'adore les couques
 aux raisins et le nougat ;)
 J'ai décidé de m'attaquer au patrimoine classé en Wallonie. Pour faire
 simple, il existe différents niveaux de classification.
 --- L'Unesco détermine les sites culturels/naturels majeurs au niveau
 mondial (une dizaine en Belgique),
 --- la région wallonne distingue 193 références dans son patrimoine
 immobilier exceptionnel, et encore d'avantage comme 'simple'
 patrimoine immobilier,
 --- les communes ont également la possibilité de distinguer des sites.

 Aucun site du patrimoine immobilier exceptionnel (région wallonne)
 n'est référencé dans Osm, j'ai donc fait un essais avec la ferme de
 Wahenge.
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3770401#map=19/50.75707/4.80513 En
 suivant la documentation concernant le tag heritage
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/heritage#Wallonie,
 voici comment j'ai procédé :
 --- heritage=4
   --- heritage:operator=clt
   --- clt:exception=yes
   --- clt:criteria=M;S
   --- clt:inscription_date= 1994-09-26
 --- source:heritage : arrêté du Gouvernement wallon du 7/2/2013
 (moniteur:2013027070)

 Avant de continuer à cartographier des sites, voici les questions
 auxquels je suis confronté :
 *[1]* Ma source est un arrêté du gouvernement wallon fixant la liste
 du patrimoine immobilier exceptionnel. On peut la consulter sur le
 moniteur http://www.ejustice.just.fgov.be/cgi/welcome.pl fr/nl
 (Numac=2013027070). Verion clean fr/nl ici.
 http://dgo4.spw.wallonie.be/dgatlp/dgatlp/Pages/Patrimoine/Dwnld/Liste_Pat_except.pdf
 Est-ce que je peux utiliser cette source d'information pour
 cartographier osm ?
 J'ai également trouvé un jeu de donnée
 http://dgo4.spw.wallonie.be/DGATLP/DGATLP/Pages/DGATLP/PagesDG/OpenData.asp
 sous licence cc-by-sa. De nouveau, est-ce soluble dans osm ? (j'ai des
 doutes concernant la paternité)/.
 /
Pour moi, c'est compatible avec OSM :
- l'obligation d'attribution est respectée dans les deux licences ;
- l'obligation de share-alike également

Il faudrait ajouter la source ici :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors

Sur chaque élément ajouté, j'ajouterai un tag source:SPW/DG04/Patrimoine
(tiens, peut-on mettre un url dans un tag source ?)

Le moniteur belge est une source officielle et peut circuler librement,
on peut donc s'en emparer; d'autant plus qu'ici, on n'y fais qu'y faire
référence, pas la reproduire.
 //*[2]* La documentation précise qu'en Wallonie, on a le tag
 _heritage:operator=clt_. Je ne comprends pas à quoi se réfère clt.
 C'est le
 Service public Wallonie (SPW)
  direction générale opérationnelle : Aménagement du territoire,
 logement, patrimoine et énergie (dgo4)
  Département patrimoine
 Direction de la Protection du Patrimoine
 qui s'occupe de la gestion du patrimoine régional. Je propose donc de
 remplacer clt par quelque chose du genre DirectionPatrimoine.
 D'autant plus que les abréviations ne sont pas conseillées pour les tags.

Je ne sais pas non plus d'où vient ce clt.

Comme proposé plus haut, je ferai bien soit qqch de plus simple.
Quelques idées :

- SPW/DGO4 (à mon avis, il ne faut pas être plus précis)
- SPW/DGO4/Patrimoine (s'il faut préciser la direction)
- le mieux serait de créer un urn, du type urn:belgium:wallonie:spw:
etc. etc. mais on n'en est pas encore là...



 *[3]* Les deux sources précisent à chaque fois en détail ce qui est
 classé. Dans le cas de la ferme de Wahenge, il est noté : /Les
 façades et toitures des bâtiments de la ferme de Wahenges ainsi que
 les charpentes du logis, de la grange et de la remise ; à l'intérieur
 du logis : les voûtes, la chapelle et l'autel ainsi que le papier
 peint panoramique de la salle à manger (M) et l'ensemble formé par la
 ferme de Wahenges et les terrains environnants (S)
 /Je vois mal comment insérer cela dans osm, sachant qu'il y a une
 limite de 255 caractères pour une valeur de tag. Quelqu'un a-t-il une
 idée? Sinon on s'arrête simplement à identifier les bâtiments classés,
 sans rien préciser de plus, ce serait déjà très bien./..
 /
Je ferai également un lien vers une page wikipedia.
 //*[4]* Pour le patrimoine bénéficiant d'une reconnaissance ponctuelle
 du caractère exceptionnel de certains éléments, je propose la création
 du tag _clt:ponctual=yes/no_ ou _clt__:restricted=yes/no_
Pourquoi pas...

 Voilà, je voulais avoir un avis assez large avant de me lancer dans
 cette tâche et de compléter la documentation...

 Corentin
 *le loup qui rit*

 
 Hello everyone,

 Well, to begin, my name is Corentin. I'm student in architecture and I
 contribute to Osm since 2009. I love the 'couques aux

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Meetup Facebookgroep

2014-05-16 Thread Julien Fastré

Thanks, Ben !

I am not on Facebook, but I think it's a very good idea !

Julien

Le 14/05/14 10:52, Ben Abelshausen a écrit :
 Hi All,

 I was inviting new mappers to our next meetup and I was thinking we
 also really need a Facebook-group because people are actually using
 Facebook these days!

 So I created one:

 https://www.facebook.com/groups/1419016881706058/

 I hope you all join in huge numbers and start sharing stuff there! ;-)
 I you haven't yet, join our meetup group too if you want:

 http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/

 Next meetup in Gent next week and there are plans to do a
 mapping-party in Antwerp If I understand correctly!

 Met vriendelijke groeten,
 Best regards,

 Ben Abelshausen



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] TEC Open Data: let's start !

2014-05-13 Thread Julien Fastré


Le 13/05/14 18:18, André Pirard a écrit :
 On 2014-05-13 16:57, Julien Fastré wrote :
 We do agree with Champs Libres to install a WMS service with TEC
 information (bus lines  stops). I had a problem to do that: we do
 have reached our quota of IPv4 addresses on our servers and we would
 do it with IPv6-only (tunnels IPv4-Ipv6 with sixxs or something else
 should work and assure the connectivity).
 You can configure a host as a NAT router.  Assuming it's on host
 a.b.c.b (Internet address) and 192.168.0.0 is a local LAN,
 it would translate a.b.c.b:8080 - 192.168.0.X:80 to access http port
 80 of host X through port 8080 of the former.
Regarding our current installation, we had to reject this possibility
because this should not meet our requirements... More details in private
if you need this.

Thanks!
Julien

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Géomatique Wallonne - strategic plan

2014-03-25 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

We sent our opinion yesterday (thanks to Philippe).

You may read the final document here :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Belgian_OSM_contributor_Opinion_to_plan_strat%C3%A9gique_geomatique_wallonne.pdf

Julien

(I do not understand why my links are transformed into pictures... I use
the [[File:xyz.pdf]] but this does not appears as a a tag...

Le 23/03/14 22:41, Julien Fastré a écrit :
Hi,

With the great help of Philippe Duchesnes, we wrote a single an common
review of the PSGW.

Could you give us some comments before we send this ? Our deadline is
very short (this monday, end afternoon - the initial text was
submitted to our wiki).

The RC text :
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wGZZndpoLEgJuT5fvVv6IkjaLKy6D43l5CUnTBo4z4g/edit?usp=sharing

The PSGW itself :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/7/7b/Projet_de_plan_strat%C3%A9gique_g%C3%A9omatique_pour_la_Wallonie_%28Belgique%29.pdf

Thanks,
Julien

Le 15/03/14 12:16, Julien Fastré a écrit :
Hi,

Ben, Pieter,

I do not have any opposition as joining OKFN and OSM opinion in one
document. I thought it was more strategic to have two voices, but I
am not sure this reasoning match with reality.

I propose to write differently the chapter about open source in a
way which is more pragmatic. I might do this at the beginning of the
week.

OK ?

Or I delete this chapter completely ?

@Jo: the permission to trace from WMS is included in our request to
open data globally. I also have contacts which focus more on web
services. But I will mention the persmissions of Brussels and
Flanders (the advance of wallonie and brussels is a quite good
arguments with our politics :-) ).

Julien

Le 15/03/14 12:04, Jo a écrit :
Hi Julien,

You mention we have permission to trace from Bing. In the mean time
we have better imagery (higher resolution, more recent) in Flanders
and Brussels provided by AGIV, which we are also allowed to trace.
We also have permission to, if I understood correctly, to use their
WMS (or is that CRAB) to trace/verify street names and house numbers.

Maybe the Region Wallonne can do one better by allowing us to
trace/reuse building outlines :-) like in Brussels Region.

Open data and Open source are two orthogonal subjects, one can
proces opendata with closed source software or closed data with open
source software. We have a preference for software under free
licenses, but everybody should be able/allowed to use whatever
software they please and can afford as long as they comply with the
licenses.

2014-03-15 11:53 GMT+01:00 Ben Abelshausen
ben.abelshau...@gmail.com mailto:ben.abelshau...@gmail.com:

First of all Julien: thanks for all your hard work and
enthusiasm in taking on this task! :-)

I think it is pretty obvious that we would want to promote usage
of open-source as well but I think this is something that is not
the task of our community.

We can recommend using open-source tools but the argument
against opening data cannot ever be 'open-data is not possible
because then we would have to use open-source software'. I think
we should be very very clear that these two are different. An
excel document with nice juicy open-data is still a good thing.

But we can still recommend using open-source tools, we just have
to be careful about how this is done in this document.

Also: We should be careful about positioning the OSM project in
Belgium as a project that wants to collect/incorporate open-data
sets. We are about collecting data in the form of mapping the
world, not about collecting open-geo-data sets. That was an
argument for me to join everything with OKFN into one document.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Géomatique Wallonne - strategic plan

2014-03-23 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

With the great help of Philippe Duchesnes, we wrote a single an common
review of the PSGW.

Could you give us some comments before we send this ? Our deadline is
very short (this monday, end afternoon - the initial text was submitted
to our wiki).

The RC text :
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wGZZndpoLEgJuT5fvVv6IkjaLKy6D43l5CUnTBo4z4g/edit?usp=sharing

The PSGW itself :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/images/7/7b/Projet_de_plan_strat%C3%A9gique_g%C3%A9omatique_pour_la_Wallonie_%28Belgique%29.pdf

Thanks,
Julien

Le 15/03/14 12:16, Julien Fastré a écrit :
Hi,

Ben, Pieter,

I do not have any opposition as joining OKFN and OSM opinion in one
document. I thought it was more strategic to have two voices, but I am
not sure this reasoning match with reality.

I propose to write differently the chapter about open source in a
way which is more pragmatic. I might do this at the beginning of the week.

OK ?

Or I delete this chapter completely ?

@Jo: the permission to trace from WMS is included in our request to
open data globally. I also have contacts which focus more on web
services. But I will mention the persmissions of Brussels and Flanders
(the advance of wallonie and brussels is a quite good arguments with
our politics :-) ).

Julien

Le 15/03/14 12:04, Jo a écrit :
Hi Julien,

You mention we have permission to trace from Bing. In the mean time
we have better imagery (higher resolution, more recent) in Flanders
and Brussels provided by AGIV, which we are also allowed to trace. We
also have permission to, if I understood correctly, to use their WMS
(or is that CRAB) to trace/verify street names and house numbers.

Maybe the Region Wallonne can do one better by allowing us to
trace/reuse building outlines :-) like in Brussels Region.

Open data and Open source are two orthogonal subjects, one can proces
opendata with closed source software or closed data with open source
software. We have a preference for software under free licenses, but
everybody should be able/allowed to use whatever software they please
and can afford as long as they comply with the licenses.

2014-03-15 11:53 GMT+01:00 Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com
mailto:ben.abelshau...@gmail.com:

First of all Julien: thanks for all your hard work and enthusiasm
in taking on this task! :-)

I think it is pretty obvious that we would want to promote usage
of open-source as well but I think this is something that is not
the task of our community.

We can recommend using open-source tools but the argument against
opening data cannot ever be 'open-data is not possible because
then we would have to use open-source software'. I think we
should be very very clear that these two are different. An excel
document with nice juicy open-data is still a good thing.

But we can still recommend using open-source tools, we just have
to be careful about how this is done in this document.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Géomatique Wallonne - strategic plan

2014-03-15 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

@Ben : I had contact with Philippe D. who works on this topic.

The idea was to synchronize the OSM and OKFN work on this topic, but
give back two advices. We are thinking that repeating things twice may
have a bigger impact... (We do not know if this is true...)

@all :

I have a question regarding the OSM opinion : do you think whe should
keep the chapter about Free Software ?

Open Source and Open Data are two differents subjects. Enemies of Open
Data may counter-argues that for doing Open Data, you must use Open
Source and this is a problem, which is not the reality (ESRI does Open
Data).

Having in the same document arguments in favors of Open data AND Open
Source is difficult, because they are differents topics, which are
related, but not completely.

The risk is to loose the pro- open data which are not pro- open source.

Julien

Le 14/03/14 20:47, Ben Abelshausen a écrit :
 Hi Julien,

 I already read part of your comments but I will try and have a closer
 look soon... I also received word that OKFN is doing the same. Maybe
 we could merge this work with theirs?

 Best Regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Géomatique Wallonne - strategic plan

2014-03-15 Thread Julien Fastré

The chapter about open source in strategic plan is there :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Contacts_with_local_autorities/Wallonia/R%C3%A9flexion_des_contributeurs_OSM_sur_le_projet_de_plan_strat%C3%A9gique_pour_la_Wallonie#Les_manques

And, please, give me feedback about this document :-)

Julien

Le 15/03/14 11:33, Julien Fastré a écrit :
Hi,

@Ben : I had contact with Philippe D. who works on this topic.

The idea was to synchronize the OSM and OKFN work on this topic, but
give back two advices. We are thinking that repeating things twice may
have a bigger impact... (We do not know if this is true...)

@all :

I have a question regarding the OSM opinion : do you think whe should
keep the chapter about Free Software ?

Open Source and Open Data are two differents subjects. Enemies of Open
Data may counter-argues that for doing Open Data, you must use Open
Source and this is a problem, which is not the reality (ESRI does
Open Data).

Having in the same document arguments in favors of Open data AND Open
Source is difficult, because they are differents topics, which are
related, but not completely.

The risk is to loose the pro- open data which are not pro- open
source.

Julien

Le 14/03/14 20:47, Ben Abelshausen a écrit :
Hi Julien,

I already read part of your comments but I will try and have a closer
look soon... I also received word that OKFN is doing the same. Maybe
we could merge this work with theirs?

Best Regards,

Ben

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Géomatique Wallonne - strategic plan

2014-03-15 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

Ben, Pieter,

I do not have any opposition as joining OKFN and OSM opinion in one
document. I thought it was more strategic to have two voices, but I am
not sure this reasoning match with reality.

I propose to write differently the chapter about open source in a way
which is more pragmatic. I might do this at the beginning of the week.

OK ?

Or I delete this chapter completely ?

@Jo: the permission to trace from WMS is included in our request to open
data globally. I also have contacts which focus more on web services.
But I will mention the persmissions of Brussels and Flanders (the
advance of wallonie and brussels is a quite good arguments with our
politics :-) ).

Julien


Le 15/03/14 12:04, Jo a écrit :
 Hi Julien,

 You mention we have permission to trace from Bing. In the mean time we
 have better imagery (higher resolution, more recent) in Flanders and
 Brussels provided by AGIV, which we are also allowed to trace. We also
 have permission to, if I understood correctly, to use their WMS (or is
 that CRAB) to trace/verify street names and house numbers.

 Maybe the Region Wallonne can do one better by allowing us to
 trace/reuse building outlines :-) like in Brussels Region.

 Open data and Open source are two orthogonal subjects, one can proces
 opendata with closed source software or closed data with open source
 software. We have a preference for software under free licenses, but
 everybody should be able/allowed to use whatever software they please
 and can afford as long as they comply with the licenses.

 Jo


 2014-03-15 11:53 GMT+01:00 Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com
 mailto:ben.abelshau...@gmail.com:

 First of all Julien: thanks for all your hard work and enthusiasm
 in taking on this task! :-)

 I think it is pretty obvious that we would want to promote usage
 of open-source as well but I think this is something that is not
 the task of our community.

 We can recommend using open-source tools but the argument against
 opening data cannot ever be 'open-data is not possible because
 then we would have to use open-source software'. I think we should
 be very very clear that these two are different. An excel document
 with nice juicy open-data is still a good thing.

 But we can still recommend using open-source tools, we just have
 to be careful about how this is done in this document.

 Also: We should be careful about positioning the OSM project in
 Belgium as a project that wants to collect/incorporate open-data
 sets. We are about collecting data in the form of mapping the
 world, not about collecting open-geo-data sets. That was an
 argument for me to join everything with OKFN into one document.

 Met vriendelijke groeten,
 Best regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Géomatique Wallonne - strategic plan

2014-03-12 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

I pushed on the wiki a draft for an answer to SPW / Waaloon REgio about
their strategic plan geomatica.

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Contacts_with_local_autorities/Wallonia/R%C3%A9flexion_des_contributeurs_OSM_sur_le_projet_de_plan_strat%C3%A9gique_pour_la_Wallonie

Could you have a look and give me your opinions ?

Julien

Le 07/03/14 18:33, Julien Fastré a écrit :
 Hi,

 I pushed on the wiki some text, on both page.

 On the talk page, I wrote some information about the context, which
 may be useful.

 regards,
 Julien

 Le 25/02/14 20:01, Julien Fastré a écrit :
 Hi,

 I posted on the wiki the strategic plan for the geomatics in Wallonia :
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Projet_de_plan_strat%C3%A9gique_g%C3%A9omatique_pour_la_Wallonie_%28Belgique%29.pdf

 I began to read it and I will write down some advices in the next days.
 I created a page dedicated to this usage :
 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Contacts_with_local_autorities/Wallonia/R%C3%A9flexion_des_contributeurs_OSM_sur_le_projet_de_plan_strat%C3%A9gique_pour_la_Wallonie

 I will keep you up to date when I will have written something.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Discussion with Wallonia

2014-03-07 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

I had contact with the people responsible for the WMS servers. They
closed old servers and may started new ones in December, migrating to
the last version of ArcGis.

All the information is now available from the geoportail
(http://geoportail.wallonie.be).

The WMS are available in EPSG:4326, 3857 and 900913 or will be in the
future.

For instance : To add the 2013's orthophoto in JOSM :

Edit preferences WMS/TMS
click +WMS, paste this url :
http://geoservices.wallonie.be/arcgis/services/IMAGERIE/ORTHO_2012_2013/MapServer/WMSServer?
click Obtenir les calques
Select Orthos
add a better name (below, because in a few months the ortho of 2014 will
be available)

and OK...

They will be available through the imagery menu.

DO NOT COPY INFORMATIONS FROM THOSE ORTHOPHOTOS: WE ARE NOT ALLOWED
(yet) TO DO THIS

This works also for other URL (ie: Natura 2000 :
http://geoservices.wallonie.be/arcgis/services/FAUNE_FLORE/NATURA_2000/MapServer/WMSServer?request=GetCapabilitiesservice=WMS)

But the PICC seems to be down those days...

Julien

Le 05/03/14 12:28, André Pirard a écrit :
On 2014-01-17 13:22, Julien Fastré wrote :

Le 16/01/14 21:12, André Pirard a écrit :
On 2014-01-16 17:44, Julien Fastré wrote :
Hi,

I am contacted with the Cabinet of Philippe Henry, in charge of
geography in Wallonia.

They would like to have the opinion of the contributors about the plan
stratégique de la géomatique.

They need someone to talk. This person should be in Wallonia and there
should be an agreement to talk with him.

If you would agree, I propose myself to go on with those talks, until we
have a more organised organisation (under the umbrella of OKFN).

Do you agree that I go to discuss with them, summarize the plan, pro and
cons, and give them back an advice from OSM contributors ?

Don't forget that, in addition to legality, we technically need WMS
+ EPSG 4326,3857,900913,
These EPSGs were missing from the [PICC] cartopro2 WMS server that
they have removed.
You told us that the SPW said that they would add the EPSGs by the
end of the year.
I've just read that the new Arcgis REST system they use serves all
EPSGs already.
And I could verify that (with a bit of surprise).
But now, where is the WMS? It sounds like just an Arcgis wms=yes
configuration tag to add :-)
Could that be recalled to-morrow? Or the day after?
I'd be most happy to stop recalling that myself after 5 years ;-)

Cheers,

André.

André,

I think EPSG 4326 and 3857 are now available on all webservices,
since beginning of December :
¿ Where have you seen that, Julien ?
AFAICS there have been absolutely no changes with SPW servers in
December ! ;-)
The PPNC server still exhibits the 4326 bug.
The ESRI server too. Additionally all its layers I tested have been
removed (error message instead of data).
The PICC server probably too. But it's difficult to tell because it
no longer responds since about 6 months.
Details below.
You may browse webservices from here :
http://geoservices.wallonie.be/arcgis/rest/services
I have been spying on that server for some time. I discovered it by
pure chance.
That's an Arcgis server with, as you can see, *Supported Interfaces:*
REST http://geoservices.wallonie.be/arcgis/rest/services/?f=pjson
SOAP http://geoservices.wallonie.be/arcgis/services?wsdl Sitemap
http://geoservices.wallonie.be/arcgis/rest/services/?f=sitemap Geo
Sitemap
http://geoservices.wallonie.be/arcgis/rest/services/?f=geositemap
Let's call it Arcgis as I don't see any name for it.
AFAICS, it could be configured with an additional WMS service but it
is not.
Hence, it does not work with JOSM et al.
It seems really hard to understand that JOSM et al. need WMS + EPSG
4326 et al. !!! ;-)))
Those who do not understand, please look here
http://gditestbed.agiv.be/post/2011/11/16/Nieuwe-GRB-service-beschikbaar.aspx.
Or will you explain your JOSM et al. configuration to display (but not
copy (yet)) SPW?

In short, the PICC server used to be displayable (but not copyable
(yet)) only by those who could afford a re-projecting proxy on their
system and I had recommended to ask SPW to support 4326 et al. in PICC
for those who cannot. Did you ask? Was the SPW reply stopping that server?

Presently, the SPW *has removed all its services* that were usable.
Not quite what you say ;-)

Another reason for asking is, as you probably know, that PICC is of
*much much much better quality* than new Arcgis.
For example, PICC shows not only multiple tracks of a railway line,
but even *each rail* of each track, catenary gantries and many such
details. AFAICS, Arcgis shows only a rough trace per line and, for
example, the Kinkempois yard
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=50.6094mlon=5.5780#map=16/50.6094/5.5780layers=N
(a huge gare de triage) is completely empty
http://geoportail.wallonie.be/WalOnMap/#BBOX

[OSM-talk-be] Géomatique Wallonne - strategic plan

2014-02-25 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

I posted on the wiki the strategic plan for the geomatics in Wallonia :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Projet_de_plan_strat%C3%A9gique_g%C3%A9omatique_pour_la_Wallonie_%28Belgique%29.pdf

I began to read it and I will write down some advices in the next days.
I created a page dedicated to this usage :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Contacts_with_local_autorities/Wallonia/R%C3%A9flexion_des_contributeurs_OSM_sur_le_projet_de_plan_strat%C3%A9gique_pour_la_Wallonie

I will keep you up to date when I will have written something.

Julien

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[OSM-talk-be] TEC Open Data (+ SNCB)

2014-02-25 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

May be you missed this :
http://datanews.levif.be/ict/actualite/les-tec-wallons-s-ouvrent-a-l-open-data/article-4000533615697.htm

tldr; : The TEC will open datasets, they made the announce last week at
Ghent.

I made some research and did not found any data yet. But I found those
datasets, *WHICH ARE STILL NOT REFERENCED AS OPEN DATA* and therefore
may not be integrated into OSM :
http://geoportail.wallonie.be/cms/render/live/fr/sites/geoportail/contents/metadata/plainData/47676af7-aab3-4d2e-9c9c-cd86e7ad7241.html

I checked the data in QGIS with orthophoto from the waloon regio, and
there are some decalage (I do not know the word in English). We must use
those data carefully fi those files are published later. :-)

A last word: Champs Libres produced this map :
http://www.navetteurs.be/index.php?option=com_contentview=articleid=5451
, extracting geographical data from the OSM database. We saw that 12
stations were missing, and we corrected them into OSM :-). We may think
that all railway stations in Wallonia are registered now (but maybe not
entirely correctly... some were weird, like area next to the railways, ...).

Julien



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Champs Libres OSM - cartopartie salon des mandataires (Julien Fastre)

2014-02-14 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

Thanks for all yours answers.

This week has been full of activities, I am sorry to answer so late.

We had good contacts at the Salon des mandataires, but it does not
seem that a commune will plan a cartoparty yet. We had discussion
witch cooptic and other associations there, and it seems obvious that it
might be easier to talk directly with those associations (people who
walk, protection de la nature/milieuvereniging, ...). They have the
volunteers, they have activities : they might be plan a cartoparty if
they think about that... Let's speak to them !

@Julien Minet : I think your approach of speaking with ADL (Agence de
développement local), GAL (Groupe d'action local) is a good idea!

We had a thought that it might be interesting for OpenStreetMap Belgium
to have his own stand there. A lot of political people are coming. They
visit the stand of IGN/NGI, ESRI Belux, ... geographical information
have a central place in municipalities.

So, at the end of the year 2014, we might think about OSM-be to have a
stand at the salon des mandataires 2015. Maybe (I hope) that others
companies could sponsorise osm-be :-) !

See you,
Julien

PS: I won't read my email until Monday :-)

Le 07/02/14 16:34, Julien Minet a écrit :
 Hi Julien, Hi list, 

 I'd to support this project!

 I think many communes are also looking for an up-to-date list of the shops 
 and other POI in their territory, for instance for their website or other. So 
 OSM could definitely be the basis for a solution they are looking for. In 
 that respect, I'm planning to contact a local developpement agency (ADL 
 Habay-Tintigny, Luxembourg, BE) soon about the benefit of using OSM for them. 
 I can let you know if they are interested...


 Cheers,
 Julien Minet


 
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 Hi,

 I would like to talk to you about two things: our brand new company
 Champs Libres and a proposal we do to OSM contributors.

 Marc Ducobu and I started slowly our company mid-2013. We are a
 cooperative, with a social purpose. What's our purpose ? Support Free
 Software ! We provide service and help for association, entreprise, and
 public autorities around free software. Until now, we are mainly
 proposing open source developments.

 We have a speciality: software who use/need geographical information. We
 use OpenStreetMap for our projects.

 More info here : http://www.champs-libres.coop.

 We are thinking about a project to make speak about us, but also about
 OpenStreetMap : we are planning to propose municipalities to organize a
 cartoparty and offer them a PDF map of their territory (with osm data).

 We will have a stand at the salon des mandataires on February 13  14
 (http://www.mandataires.be/) to convince local councils to offer help
 for a cartoparty. If they do so, we will, in the following month of the
 cartoparty, offer them a mapnik style to produce PDF with OSM data,
 adapted to their municipality and for printing (printing screen map does
 not render so well).

 Our goal: promote OSM and let know the project's advantage for
 municipality, and, also, offer an immediate follow-up to a cartoparty.

 So,

 - are you interested in giving help to a cartoparty in Wallonia, during
 a week-end in April / May / June / July ?
 - do you have some ideas, positive or negative, about our project ?

 Champs Libres will be very happy to help the community. In August 2013,
 I was planning about offering a WMS [1] with aerial images on Brussels
 Regio (10cm resolution, something like that, but the images are in
 MrSid, you must compile GDAL with the MrSid SDK and uncompressed it to
 have a geotiff usable in JOSM, not very easy for beginners). I delayed
 this project because... life... and nobody recall me. But if you do
 think this may be useful, we now have the infrastructure for doing

[OSM-talk-be] Champs Libres OSM - cartopartie salon des mandataires

2014-02-03 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

I would like to talk to you about two things: our brand new company
Champs Libres and a proposal we do to OSM contributors.

Marc Ducobu and I started slowly our company mid-2013. We are a
cooperative, with a social purpose. What's our purpose ? Support Free
Software ! We provide service and help for association, entreprise, and
public autorities around free software. Until now, we are mainly
proposing open source developments.

We have a speciality: software who use/need geographical information. We
use OpenStreetMap for our projects.

More info here : http://www.champs-libres.coop.

We are thinking about a project to make speak about us, but also about
OpenStreetMap : we are planning to propose municipalities to organize a
cartoparty and offer them a PDF map of their territory (with osm data).

We will have a stand at the salon des mandataires on February 13  14
(http://www.mandataires.be/) to convince local councils to offer help
for a cartoparty. If they do so, we will, in the following month of the
cartoparty, offer them a mapnik style to produce PDF with OSM data,
adapted to their municipality and for printing (printing screen map does
not render so well).

Our goal: promote OSM and let know the project's advantage for
municipality, and, also, offer an immediate follow-up to a cartoparty.

So,

- are you interested in giving help to a cartoparty in Wallonia, during
a week-end in April / May / June / July ?
- do you have some ideas, positive or negative, about our project ?

Champs Libres will be very happy to help the community. In August 2013,
I was planning about offering a WMS [1] with aerial images on Brussels
Regio (10cm resolution, something like that, but the images are in
MrSid, you must compile GDAL with the MrSid SDK and uncompressed it to
have a geotiff usable in JOSM, not very easy for beginners). I delayed
this project because... life... and nobody recall me. But if you do
think this may be useful, we now have the infrastructure for doing this
pretty good.

Cheers,
Julien Fastré


[1] with EPSG:3857 and 4326 for André Pirard :-

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Discussion with Wallonia

2014-01-17 Thread Julien Fastré

Le 16/01/14 21:12, André Pirard a écrit :

On 2014-01-16 17:44, Julien Fastré wrote :

Hi,

I am contacted with the Cabinet of Philippe Henry, in charge of
geography in Wallonia.

They would like to have the opinion of the contributors about the plan
stratégique de la géomatique.

They need someone to talk. This person should be in Wallonia and there
should be an agreement to talk with him.

If you would agree, I propose myself to go on with those talks, until we
have a more organised organisation (under the umbrella of OKFN).

Do you agree that I go to discuss with them, summarize the plan, pro and
cons, and give them back an advice from OSM contributors ?

I would stand alone if I said no ;-) Thanks Julien.

Don't forget that, in addition to legality, we technically need WMS +
EPSG 4326,3857,900913,
These EPSGs were missing from the cartopro2 WMS server that they have
removed.
You told us that the SPW said that they would add the EPSGs by the end
of the year.
I've just read that the new Arcgis REST system they use serves all
EPSGs already.

And I could verify that (with a bit of surprise).
But now, where is the WMS? It sounds like just an Arcgis wms=yes
configuration tag to add :-)

Could that be recalled to-morrow? Or the day after?
I'd be most happy to stop recalling that myself after 5 years ;-)

Cheers,

André.

André,

I think EPSG 4326 and 3857 are now available on all webservices, since
beginning of December :

Here can you find :

LayerTitleLayers/TitleCRSEPSG:4326/CRSCRSEPSG:3857/CRSCRSEPSG:31370/CRS
from :
http://geoservices.wallonie.be/arcgis/services/IMAGERIE/ORTHO_2012_2013/MapServer/WMSServer?request=GetCapabilitiesservice=WMS
(capabilities of ORTHO 2012)

You may browse webservices from here :
http://geoservices.wallonie.be/arcgis/rest/services

But we are not allowed (yet) to use those services to copy informations
into OpenStreetMap.

Julien

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Discussion with Wallonia

2014-01-17 Thread Julien Fastré

Le 16/01/14 22:59, André Pirard a écrit :

On 2014-01-16 18:44, Jo wrote :
Yes, go and ask them for aerial imagery, house numbers, building
contours, PT data from TEC and STIB/MIVB.

And if it's a by the piece permission, first of all the boundaries
which are the only feature you can't see from above or walk with a GPS
(and that are not copyrightable in my opinion, you might bring that
particular answer back).
Boundaries are the property of IGN. Walloon Regio, etc. just copy
information from them.

I think we should make contact with IGN/NGI to obtain this information.

On 2014-01-16 20:27, Johan C wrote :
This page
http://ec.europa.eu/digital-agenda/en/european-legislation-reuse-public-sector-information
can be interesting to prepare for a meeting with government officials

As well as

*7 MARS 2007. - Loi transposant la directive 2003/98/CE du Parlement
européen et du Conseil du 17 novembre 2003 concernant la réutilisation
des informations du secteur public*
http://www.ejustice.just.fgov.be/cgi_loi/change_lg.pl?language=frla=Fcn=2007030736table_name=loi

*7 MAART 2007. - Wet tot omzetting van de richtlijn 2003/98/EG van het
Europees Parlement en de Raad van 17 november 2003 inzake het
hergebruik van overheidsinformatie*

http://www.ejustice.just.fgov.be/cgi_loi/change_lg.pl?language=nlla=Ncn=2007030736table_name=wet
I also found an interesting IGN/NGI interview
http://www.mil.be/vox/subject/index.asp?LAN=frID=786MENU=1259PAGE=2
(boldface mine).
Une directive européenne est pour l'instant [2006] en cours de
préparation, imposant l'obligation de croiser les données de
référence. Notre interlocutrice [de l'IGN] confirme : *Nous devons
utiliser davantage les informations collectées par d'autres
organismes*. Une collaboration avec les régions est l'idéal. *En
échangeant nos données*, nous pourrons mettre nos renseignements plus
rapidement à jour. *Nous visons à créer une banque
carrefou**r**d'informations géographiques*, un réseau dans lequel
l'IGN serait un pivot important. Nous ne collecterions les données
qu'une seule fois et tous les autres organismes seraient
immédiatement avertis des changements. *Nous aimerions aboutir en
2010*. Ces dernières années, nous avons également cherché des points
de convergence avec la Défense. Nous faisons notamment appel à son
imprimerie.

Thanks again and ... good luck.

I had contact with IGN before. They were, in March 2013, *completely*
*OPPOSED* to open data. People change, mind change; but we should know that.

André.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Discussion with Wallonia

2014-01-17 Thread Julien Fastré

Thanks for all your answer.

I will ask Ben to give my name to Philippe Henry.

It seems clear to me that my role, here, will be to :

- gather information about the strategic plan ;
- make a summary and propose an opinion, and discuss this opinion here
and on our wiki ;
- give this opinion back to the Waloon regio.

FYI, the strategic plan is a master plan to organize the work about
geographic data. It must be adopted by the Governement before the pool
in May, and translated into operation plan during summer.

You may find more information here :
http://geoportail.wallonie.be/cms/home/acteurs-et-activites/plan-strategique-geomatique.html

Julien Fastré

Le 16/01/14 19:50, Paul-André Duchesne a écrit :
+1 for Julien Fastré :)

I'm impatient to get the feedback :)
We're gonna get the Wallony data, we're gonna get the wallony data
eeeuh :)

2014/1/16 Jo winfi...@gmail.com mailto:winfi...@gmail.com

Yes, go and ask them for aerial imagery, house numbers, building
contours, PT data from TEC and STIB/MIVB.
You have our support :-)

2014/1/16 Julien Fastré jul...@fastre.info
mailto:jul...@fastre.info

Hi,

I am contacted with the Cabinet of Philippe Henry, in charge of
geography in Wallonia.

They would like to have the opinion of the contributors about
the plan
stratégique de la géomatique.

They need someone to talk. This person should be in Wallonia
and there
should be an agreement to talk with him.

If you would agree, I propose myself to go on with those
talks, until we
have a more organised organisation (under the umbrella of OKFN).

Do you agree that I go to discuss with them, summarize the
plan, pro and
cons, and give them back an advice from OSM contributors ?

We should give them an answer for... tomorrow :-) (I received
the email
this morning :-) ).

Please give an answer :-)

Julien Fastré

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[OSM-talk-be] Discussion with Wallonia

2014-01-16 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

I am contacted with the Cabinet of Philippe Henry, in charge of
geography in Wallonia.

They would like to have the opinion of the contributors about the plan
stratégique de la géomatique.

They need someone to talk. This person should be in Wallonia and there
should be an agreement to talk with him.

If you would agree, I propose myself to go on with those talks, until we
have a more organised organisation (under the umbrella of OKFN).

Do you agree that I go to discuss with them, summarize the plan, pro and
cons, and give them back an advice from OSM contributors ?

We should give them an answer for... tomorrow :-) (I received the email
this morning :-) ).

Please give an answer :-)

Julien Fastré

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be!

2013-12-10 Thread Julien Fastré

Does anyone has published the information about osm.be into a journal 
entry ?


Julien

Le 09/12/13 09:30, Julien Fastré a écrit :

Ben,

Publish articles in both languages may be so nice than a full 
translated website ! It allows bilingual people to check posts in both 
languages.


I may insert them into drupal if you need help.

Julien

Le 08/12/13 19:59, Ben Abelshausen a écrit :


On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Julien Fastré jul...@fastre.info 
mailto:jul...@fastre.info wrote:


This is not a litteral translation. I allowed myself to adapt the
language into the French way :-) of writing... I think the ideas
are'nt too much changed, and it sounds better in French.


Hi,

Thanks! Not problem to change the wording... :-)

Not sure when I will find the time to put them online. I'm really 
struggling with the translation functionality in drupal, anyone with 
more insight/experience, help is wanted! I have two masters degrees 
in computer science but I can't get my head around the logic behind 
the horrible drupal translation support mess! (frustration speaking here)


Using the built-in language switcher does not switch the language on 
an article. It just show a language switcher per article and keeps 
dutch when french and a switch per article (why?).


Anyway will search drupal forums (also a mess) to find some more 
information and to get this working.


Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be!

2013-12-09 Thread Julien Fastré


Ben,

Publish articles in both languages may be so nice than a full translated 
website ! It allows bilingual people to check posts in both languages.


I may insert them into drupal if you need help.

Julien

Le 08/12/13 19:59, Ben Abelshausen a écrit :


On Sun, Dec 8, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Julien Fastré jul...@fastre.info 
mailto:jul...@fastre.info wrote:


This is not a litteral translation. I allowed myself to adapt the
language into the French way :-) of writing... I think the ideas
are'nt too much changed, and it sounds better in French.


Hi,

Thanks! Not problem to change the wording... :-)

Not sure when I will find the time to put them online. I'm really 
struggling with the translation functionality in drupal, anyone with 
more insight/experience, help is wanted! I have two masters degrees in 
computer science but I can't get my head around the logic behind the 
horrible drupal translation support mess! (frustration speaking here)


Using the built-in language switcher does not switch the language on 
an article. It just show a language switcher per article and keeps 
dutch when french and a switch per article (why?).


Anyway will search drupal forums (also a mess) to find some more 
information and to get this working.


Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be!

2013-12-08 Thread Julien Fastré

Thanks a lot !

I translated the blog posts here :

http://lite3.framapad.org/p/hIxBrMkkXB

This is not a litteral translation. I allowed myself to adapt the
language into the French way :-) of writing... I think the ideas are'nt
too much changed, and it sounds better in French.

Julien



Le 07/12/13 19:00, André Pirard a écrit :
 On 2013-12-07 18:50, Gilbert Hersschens wrote :
 @ Ben: er staat nog een tikfoutje op het Hergebruiken tabblad:
 Cloudemade moet Cloudmade zijn.

 Gilbert

 Congratulations for that site !!!
 I have a few remarks too, but it's not appropriate to write them down
 here for the posterity :-)
 What about adding a Webmaster address?

 Cheers,

 André.




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[OSM-talk-be] WMS of Walloon Region in EPSG:3857

2013-11-27 Thread Julien Fastré


Hi,

I just received an email this morning from SPW (Service Public de 
Wallonie) : all the WMS should be accessible in 3857 within few weeks 
(before the end of the year).


We discussed previously about serving tiles in Lambert 72: is this 
something we still need ? Ben, is there any opening from AGIV to serve 
data in EPSG:3857 / 900913 ?


By Champs Libres, we are still ready to provide help for something the 
community really need :-)


Yours,
Julien Fastré

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Brussels and Belgium

2013-11-26 Thread Julien Fastré



Le 26/11/13 19:06, Kurt Roeckx a écrit :

Maybe I wasn't clear enough, but I have always had a problem with
mapping the communities in the first place since they are about
the person and not the land.  But there are people that want to
map that.  And if we're going to map them than we should try to do
it as correctly as possible.
I do agree with Kurt: Communities are concerned with people, Regio with 
things related to the ground. It make sense to map Regio's: it's a 
territory, we may touch it, sense it. This is not the case with communities.


If some people want to map them, I think we should use different key 
than those existing now; they are not appropriated and we are, maybe, an 
unique case in the world.


Julien



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS for OSM using EPSG:31370 (Lambert 72)

2013-11-19 Thread Julien Fastré



Le 15/11/13 22:03, André Pirard a écrit :

On 2013-11-13 20:35, jul...@fastre.info wrote :


As far as I understand, the main usage of tiles projeted in Lambert72 
or Lambert 2008 is to be mixed with data from AGIV or Walloon Regio, 
which doesn't support 900913 (nor 3857) in their WMS services. We are 
developping an app today and this is a problem to mix information 
from Walloon Regio and OSM because the need of projectio.


QGIS user doesn't need this, but they are advanced user. We target 
people who are not GIS user there.


Right ?


Hi,

How was Arlon, Julien?

What I understood is that AGIV uses applications that can get data 
only from EPSG:31370 WMS and hence not from OSM. And so that they need 
TMS 4326 - WMS 31370 conversion.


After reading Ben's message, I added 14 characters to my local 
Mapproxy configuration (4 if I copy  paste from Ben) and I had on my 
PC exactly what AGIV need, tested later with JOSM.

And so, I recommended Mapproxy once again.
BTW, there are a good 20 references to Mapproxy on 
wiki.openstreetmap.org and I just discovered
among them a page http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/MapProxy 
dedicated to Mapproxy which contains the installation procedure, 
including the configuration that Ben needs.
Just in case somebody would read what I wrote, I added a DEB remark 
for Ubuntu/Debian install.


Anyway, I decided to stop speaking of Mapproxy repeatedly and to write 
a Web page instead.
I hope to finish it tonight and it will contain a super simple 
procedure with a guaranteed-to-work simple configuration for OSM (I 
have doubts about the config in the OSM wiki page).


I'll let you know, of course.

Cheers,

André.




Hi,



The board of Champs Libres (my society founded one month ago) had a 
meeting this afternoon and we decided that it was very important to give 
help to osm-be. So, we agree with setting up a server for tiles or WMS 
if you think this may be useful.


As a I understand, the use case is to be able to mix WMS layer from 
AGIV / Région Wallonne with openstreetmap. This is not possible until :


1. AGIV / RW serve WMS layers with projection EPSG:3857 or 900913 ;
2. We have tiles in those projections ;

So, we may reproject WMSs into 900913/3857 (1) or serve tiles (2).

For 1, this will force us to capture every WMS and serve it again. I 
am afraid that we might have a delay before inserting WMS. I wonder also 
about the legality of such use (I may ask RW for authorization).


For 2, we know how OSM goes, and an advantage I see is that we might 
have other styles later, if we need it.


What are other advantages of every answer to those question ?

Julien

NB: our server's provider have some problems those days... We will have 
to wait their new products to be available. This should be done within 
end of this year.


@André  others :

Arlon was great. I spoke about OSM as a community project, how we works, 
what we do, what are the value of the community, ...


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[OSM-talk-be] Presentation at Ulg

2013-11-14 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

I was contacted by ULg to present OSM in a lesson about community
knowledge.

The presentation will take place... tomorrow (oups :-)... I am late to
warn you...)

This message is just FYI. I am going to present OSM and the questions
around openness of data: what it brings to society, mapping in
Philippines, etc.

Julien

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Cartopartie Tournai

2013-11-14 Thread Julien Fastré


Ok, merci !

Julien

Le 13/11/13 16:16, Louis-Julien de la Bouëre a écrit :

Bonjour,

Voici un article qui résume la cartopartie de Tournai en attendant 
l'article complet : 
http://www.lavenir.net/article/detail.aspx?articleid=dmf20131112_00387940


A bientôt



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Re: [OSM-talk-be] WMS for OSM using EPSG:31370 (Lambert 72)

2013-11-12 Thread Julien Fastré


Ben,

Do you think you need a WMS service with layers of OSM features in 
EPSG:31370 or a tile server with features in EPSG:31370 ?


We might be interested with champs-libres.coop :-) We are going to think 
about that.


Julien

Le 12/11/13 12:09, Ben Abelshausen a écrit :

Hello,
Anyone here on the list who has experience setting up a WMS service 
using OpenStreetMap tiles in another projection than the default web 
mercator?

I need a WMS that can handle EPSG:31370.
I could use to this convince some people at AGIV to use OSM as a layer 
in some of their applications. This would mean a big extra audience 
looking at our maps and all doing something with mapping or GIS. 
(Potential new contributors? :-) )

I have already been looking at this:
https://github.com/mapnik/OGCServer
Anyone any experience in this field? Anyone know an existing service? 
Anyone willing to give it a try to set this up? :-)

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM Belgian chapter as a Belgian asbl/vzw

2013-10-11 Thread Julien Fastré


Hi,

I could not follow the discussion here for a week, but I do agree with 
this proposal: be part of OKFN is a very good idea !


Thank Pieter !

Where do I have to register ? :-)

Julien

Le 09/10/13 11:51, Nicolas Pettiaux a écrit :
2013/10/9 Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com 
mailto:ben.abelshau...@gmail.com



On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 9:45 AM, Pieter Colpaert
pieter.colpa...@okfn.org mailto:pieter.colpa...@okfn.org wrote:

I'm really excited to work together. I hope to have a video
call with some of you very soon!

Or we meet somewhere in Gent!


I'm having a mini board meeting this lunch to discuss this
with our board as well.


Our only conditions to all our working groups: If there is
money coming in, there will be 5% going to general management,
unless otherwise agreed for a certain transaction

Seem reasonable if that removes the administrative overhead for us!

+1


It would also be great to include you guys as part of the Open
Belgium conference we're going to organise in February 2014
(we're in a very early stage organising this)


= I'm willing to help with this!

idem

Please give us any information about this conference.

Best regards,

Nicolas

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Meeting OpenStreetMap, Brussels (Central station) on Thursday 3/10 at 19h

2013-09-26 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

About RTBF / Le Soir, etc.: IMHO I am not sure we should invite them
there. We will have a lot of discussion about our own internal
organisation. We should plan a future event to invite them, but not
necessary this time.

Nice to see you !

Julien Fastré


Le 26/09/13 12:36, Nicolas Pettiaux a écrit :

 2013/9/26 Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com
 mailto:ben.abelshau...@gmail.com


 On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Nicolas Pettiaux
 nico...@pettiaux.be mailto:nico...@pettiaux.be wrote:

 I would propose that we discuss and compose the schedule of
 the meeting on http://lite2.framapad.org/p/OSMBE20131003 and
 list there who would come.

 Please see there the proposed planning and comment / adapt ?

 I would very much like to get in touch with the press (RTBF,
 Le Soir, Le vif, la DH, Tele Bruxelles) and members of the
 administrations to advertize the event and have public come if
 you agree.


 Hi,

 Nice! If this is public then maybe we could announce on
 twitter/meetup too?


 yes .Please do . I do not have the time to .

 Every advertissement and communication on the (social) networks are good

 Not sure If I will be able to make it at 19:00 already, I start
 working as a freelancer for AGIV (!) next week... :-)

 you'll do your best. This is why we start with a get to know each other
  

 I updated the framapad with my comments.


 much thanks

 Please indicate if you come and want to eat.


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[OSM-talk-be] Pour info - ter info OpenStreetMap Opleiding - formation

2013-09-23 Thread Julien Fastré

http://www.technofuturtic.be/Formation/Organiser-une-carto-partie-pour-animer-son-territoire?utm_source=Newsletteramp;utm_medium=emailamp;utm_campaign=newsletter%20septembre


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] GIS contact gemeente Mol

2013-09-20 Thread Julien Fastré


Hi,

I made a presentation of OSM in March : 
https://cloud.fastre.info/public.php?service=filest=8b32510318f65c01778c5f95ac3b1487


Some parts might be reused, but the presentation focused on Open Data, 
and the import of Cadastre in France.


I think I may have some problem speaking in Dutch for such technical 
subject. In English it might be possible.


Julien Fastré

Le 19/09/13 20:18, Gilbert Hersschens a écrit :
Today I had a meeting with the GIS responsible for Mol. She stumbled 
by accident upon OSM and found some of my changes which were 
coinciding with editing work she was doing in AGIV and contacted me.
We had an interesting talk this afternoon where I gave here an 
overview about what OSM is and what's going on in BE. She concludes 
that one one hand there is a lot of duplication (compared to AGIV) in 
what we're doing - which will hopefully be reduced by importing the 
CRAB DB, but on the other hand there are also lots of potential 
synergies where the government might benefit from work done by the OSM 
community. While this is by no means a possible onset for government 
instances to use OSM i.s.o. big G as their default map in many of 
their web sites, I see this as a nice opportunity to create awareness 
and give more visibility to OSM at the level of municipalities. One 
step at a time...
She suggested that it might be interesting to present OSM on one of 
the many meetings organized for GIS staff.
I'm not expert enough to do this, so here I am looking for volunteers 
to pick this up and take it further. I can provide phone and e-mail 
contact.

Gilbert


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] weekly OSM news on blog.openstreetmap.de

2013-09-20 Thread Julien Fastré


2 ideas :
1/
I do worry about such weekly news : we must have human resource to 
produce them.


Maybe we should have monthly releases. We might use a 
http://framapad.org to prepare them: every month, we drop there news. 
Someone organize the framapad (an instance of etherpad), and copy them 
on the website once a month.


2/
If there are interessant article in German, we may have a team to 
translate into Duits / French (if the licence is compatible :-) ) . In 
France, http://framablog.org translate articles from English. They do 
the translation collectively, using a framapad. I regularly discover 
very interesting writer through them !


Julien

Le 17/09/13 17:42, Ben Abelshausen a écrit :


On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 7:34 AM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com 
mailto:marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote:


De Duitse site http://blog.openstreetmap.de/ heeft een wekelijkse
Wochennotiz. Deze lijst een aantal artikels, blog posts,
geupdate of nieuwe kaarten of software, conferenties en
belangrijke forumdraadjes op. De focus list op algemeen en Duits
nieuws, maar het een tof om eens over de grenzen te kijken. de
korte beschrijvingen bij de links zijn in het Duits, de artikels
kunnen ook in Engels zijn. Het verschijnt normaal gezien elke
woensdag, in de late namiddag.

Het komt ook voor in de lijst van http://blogs.openstreetmap.org

Ik vind het interessant om te volgen, en dacht dat er misschien
nog wel iemand interesse zou hebben.


Maybe someone could translate this for osm.be http://osm.be once we 
have it completely up-and-running? Filter out the german-specific 
stuff and maybe add some local things?


Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] transfer of osm.be

2013-09-13 Thread Julien Fastré




- earn money with banners / donate functions


I think we should not place banners on such a website. I don't like 
banners, I don't like ads... :)


But I am ready for donation.

Julien


Le 13/09/13 11:50, Ivo De Broeck a écrit :

Steps to follow
- creating a vzw
- search a good provider (very very important)
- transfer osm.be http://osm.be to that provider (or buy 
osmbelgium.be http://osmbelgium.be for less then a fews euro)

- making the website
- earn money with banners / donate functions

ivoweb.be http://ivoweb.be


2013/9/13 Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be 
mailto:gl...@byte-consult.be


On 2013-09-13 10:45, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:

good news. How do we proceed now ?


Check out this link:

http://dns.be/nl/domeinnaam/beheer/overdragen

Someone will have to 'own' and pay it of course, preferably a VZW
if it exists.  (that vzw will have to be sponsored of course)

Glenn

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] transfer of osm.be

2013-09-13 Thread Julien Fastré


I think we should plan a meeting for discussing all those stuff.

Julien

Le 13/09/13 11:50, Ivo De Broeck a écrit :

Steps to follow
- creating a vzw
- search a good provider (very very important)
- transfer osm.be http://osm.be to that provider (or buy 
osmbelgium.be http://osmbelgium.be for less then a fews euro)

- making the website
- earn money with banners / donate functions

ivoweb.be http://ivoweb.be


2013/9/13 Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be 
mailto:gl...@byte-consult.be


On 2013-09-13 10:45, Nicolas Pettiaux wrote:

good news. How do we proceed now ?


Check out this link:

http://dns.be/nl/domeinnaam/beheer/overdragen

Someone will have to 'own' and pay it of course, preferably a VZW
if it exists.  (that vzw will have to be sponsored of course)

Glenn

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] transfer of osm.be

2013-09-13 Thread Julien Fastré


I will be there on Thursday October 3rd.

I think we should agree on a cahier des charges or something like that 
for the website on the wiki.


Julien Fastré

Le 13/09/13 14:33, Glenn Plas a écrit :

Hey Ben,

I'm sorry, looks like it is pretty much responsive when I look deeper, 
but there are some issues primarily on the iPhone it seems, the 
horizontal scroll bar is not optimized.   I should have taken a better 
look before mailing this.   For a work in progress it's on the right 
track.


Glenn

On 2013-09-13 14:28, Glenn Plas wrote:

Nice start,

Any chance you could make this a responsive design.  I think it's 
rather important this opens up on all sorts of devices, I noticed 
that many of my friends do not own a computer anymore at home and 
use  pads and smartphones:


See the result here:

http://www.responsinator.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2F14k.be%2F%3Flanguage%3Dnl

It would look much better to, nomatter what the screensize is.

Next, to comment on the fact, do you need a VZW, I think you do.  
Image the person owning the domain dies in a car accident or get 
eaten by zombies, then there is a big access problem in getting the 
control of the domain.   That would be the main reason for me do put 
an organisation in between this. finally, there is no way you can get 
a VZW in place before october, so I would not wait for it.


my 2eurocents.

Glenn

ps: check http://www.initializr.com/ for reponsive design info and 
reference templates.





I already have basic website running:

http://14k.be/?language=nl
http://14k.be/?language=fr





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Re: [OSM-talk-be] osm.be

2013-09-11 Thread Julien Fastré


Le 10/09/13 16:27, Glenn Plas a écrit :

 While all the suggestions are nice, I think we're mostly looking for
 a company to sponsor OSM (eg. giving the hosting for free).

 I'm willing to do that with my company, a 'powered by' is good enough
 for me as this gives me exposure in something I can live with.  but I
 would like to see more details on what is going to be served so I know
 what machine to throw at it so I can decide.
Hi guys,

I am also currently founding a Company which will use OSM data.

Champs Libres SCRLFS (cooperative with social purpose) will also be
happy to give some space on webservers.

If it is not for the website, we may sponsor osm-be later or for
something else :-)

Julien

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[OSM-talk-be] Firefighters and OSM - meeting in August

2013-08-28 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

Pierre Willot and I met firefighters in Namur, a couple of days ago.
They are located in Wallonia, but I think that what happens there might
interest the whole Belgium.

We wrote a report of this meeting, which may be found here :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Contacts_with_local_autorities/Wallonia/firefighters-namur
(in French)

A short summary : firefighters are planning to use OSM as one of their
data sources. They have developped routing engines, which adapt
themselves to the car profile (a 5-ton truck may not go through the same
way as cars).

They would like that the map in their zone to be up to date. In a near
future (if they use OSM) they will also encode new ways / deleted ways
in the map: they are notified every time a street is modified, and will
push the changes into OSM.

What do they ask ?

- They would like to be sure the map is up to date in their area. Until
now, they need only the streets'axes. They have a lot of datasources
(PICC from the Walloon Region, etc.). They would like to have a script
to compare the existence of streets'axes which appears in the PICC into
OSM, and if the street axe has the good 'highway' value.

The script should produce a result like in this square, x% of the
streets'axis are missing or does not match a correct highway value. We
(contributors, but also firewalls) should work on those areas.

Pierre and I proposed to organise large-public mapping parties into this
area. They are considering participating to those events.

- We were thinking about make a proposal to the hackathon egov to write
the compare-script there. The PICC will be available there
(http://hackathonegovwallonia.net/quest-ce-que-lopen-data/).

- The firewall will also open some database. I already received a list
of streets which may have spelling mistakes, from instances. I will
communicate this list soon (there are some licensed data that I must clean)

What do you think ? Do you agree on this work ? Some volunteers ?

Julien

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Hoe map ik een ...

2013-07-31 Thread Julien Fastré

I personnaly never did that... But I think this may be useful...

Should we designate someone ? Or just have that in mind when we are
discussing that and the-first-who-think-about-the-wiki fullfill the wiki ?

Julien

Le 30/07/13 18:22, Marc Gemis a écrit :
 Is er iemand die zich bezighoudt met het up-to-date houden van deze
 pagina telkens er een discussie / oplossing geboden wordt voor een
 problem. Recentelijk zijn bijvoorbeeld jaagpad en jeugdhuis besproken
 ? Wat langer geleden kwam kantoor van ziekenfonds ook al aan bod

 Kunnen we ook een discussie/oplossing hebben voor

 - pastorij (historic = ?)
 - feestzaal van restaurant
 - clublokaal Chiro e.d. (club = scouts, amenity=scouts bestaan beiden)
 - kantine van sportclub

 groeten

 m


 Is there someone that updates the Hoe map ik een page each time there
 is a solution for a tagging problem, such as the recent Jaagpad en
 Jeugdhuis problems. Some what longer ago we discussed offices of the
 mutualiteiten

 can we also discuss some other topics for which I do not know a proper
 english word ?

 regards

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[OSM-talk-be] CIRB Orthophoto through WMS

2013-07-18 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

With the help of eMerzh, yesterday, we converted the raster image
downloaded from Urbis to a geotiff (georeferenced tiff).

I upload the image to my (little) server and I could serve it through a
WMS, and the use it as imagery in JOSM.

Could you try if it works by yourself ?

This is a short manual:

* launch JOSM;
* go to the preferences (F12)
* Switch to Lambert Belge 1972 (third tab on the left - map
preférences / préférences de la carte) (the geotiff is in Lambert
Belge, EPSG:31370) ;
* Add the WMS service:
o go to WMS/TMS ;
o click on +WMS
o add the URL : http://fastre.info:8080/geoserver/OSMUrbis/wms
o click on obtain the layer / obtenir les calques ;
o select the commune of St-Josse (currently the only one available)
* Then, download the OSM data in Saint-Josse ;
* Zoom to a high level (a high level does lower requests, it will be
more fast)

The server is very little (512Mo), the geotif are quite big (~5Go). This
is just a test (we should also add a licence on the service...)

I will let the server open until tomorrow around 10', then I will stop
for a week. Then, if it works, I may consider host some commune - we
may talk about that.

(Another easier way may be to share the geotiff by torrent, everyone may
use it in JOSM with a good tutorial)

Julien

Le 17/07/13 22:15, Julien Fastré a écrit :
Hi !

Thanks for all those informations !

It's a good news that CIRB have some considerations for OSM.

I am also trying to convert sid to jpg (I skip that line in your
email), but I must re-compile GDAL.

If you have geotiff or some commons georeferenced raster I may serve
them with WMS through geoserver from my (little) server.

Julien

Le 17/07/13 15:38, eMerzh a écrit :

Dag Jo ;)

For 3D i think they mean like 3d buildings (with a CAD tool or smth
) like OSM3D friends

They also have like oblique images ... it think it's more or less
like bing birdview ... but there are not released ... (yet ?)

For the ortho, i've convert my first sid file to jpg ... i have to
figure out how to cut that in tiles and georef them...
i'm really a nooob in that area so if someone can help :)

2013/7/17 Jo winfi...@gmail.com mailto:winfi...@gmail.com

Je pense que Glenn Plas a les compétences réquises (et un serveur?).

Glenn, weet jij hoe je een server moet opzetten die WMS doet op
basis van deelimages?

2013/7/17 eMerzh merz...@gmail.com mailto:merz...@gmail.com

Ah oui,
j'ai oublié :

* le LIDAR sera mis à disposition dans le futur sous la même
license ...via iribox...
pour l'instant ce n'est pas encore disponible, a cause d'un
problème de distribution
( il y a ~900Fichiers de 900 Mo chacun ...)

Voilà ...

Sinon, je voudrai mettre a dispo les ortho pour les utiliser
dans JOSM ... donc je cherche un moyen de faire ça ...
(je serai p-e ralenti par mes vacances et par le faite que je
ne dispose pas vraiment d'un serveur ou je fais ce que je
veux... )

je vous tiens au courant :)

2013/7/17 eMerzh merz...@gmail.com mailto:merz...@gmail.com

Hi everybody ...
here are the feedback from my meeting with the CIRB.
as i'm more confortable with french the following message
will be in french ... sorry

Donc :
* Au niveau des mises à jours, le wfs wms est
actualisé toutes les semaines alors que l'interface de
téléchargment ne l'est que 1 fois par trimestre.

Attention, la mise à jour correspond à l'état actuel du
survey ... toutes les zones ne sont pas mises à jours
toutes les semaines...
* A chaque mise à jour d'un objet, un ID de version
centralisé est incrémenté et attribué à un objet.
donc pour savoir les derniers objets avec des
potentielles mises à jours, il faut trier les objets
par identifiants de version desc.

* un nouveau système de versioning plus sémantique et
informatif sur les modifications devrait voir le jour
début de l'année prochaine

* Le cirb est évidemment intéressé par les retours sur
les données.
Vous pouvez faire vos retour soit via moi (un petit mail
) soit via la page du wiki ici présente:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Urbis_feedback
ou directement via la IRISLINE (

http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/fr/catalogue-de-services/software/sincrho-1/centre-de-documentation/manuels-de-reference/mode-demploi/contacts/support-client-iris-line
)
l'idée est d'envoyer les retours en paquet plutot que 1
par 1 pour éviter un surplus de travail

* Les orthophotos sont

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Meeting At CIRB

2013-07-17 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi !

Thanks for all those informations !

It's a good news that CIRB have some considerations for OSM.

I am also trying to convert sid to jpg (I skip that line in your email),
but I must re-compile GDAL.

If you have geotiff or some commons georeferenced raster I may serve
them with WMS through geoserver from my (little) server.

Julien

Le 17/07/13 15:38, eMerzh a écrit :

Dag Jo ;)

For 3D i think they mean like 3d buildings (with a CAD tool or smth )
like OSM3D friends

They also have like oblique images ... it think it's more or less
like bing birdview ... but there are not released ... (yet ?)

For the ortho, i've convert my first sid file to jpg ... i have to
figure out how to cut that in tiles and georef them...
i'm really a nooob in that area so if someone can help :)

2013/7/17 Jo winfi...@gmail.com mailto:winfi...@gmail.com

Je pense que Glenn Plas a les compétences réquises (et un serveur?).

Glenn, weet jij hoe je een server moet opzetten die WMS doet op
basis van deelimages?

2013/7/17 eMerzh merz...@gmail.com mailto:merz...@gmail.com

Ah oui,
j'ai oublié :

Voilà ...

je vous tiens au courant :)

2013/7/17 eMerzh merz...@gmail.com mailto:merz...@gmail.com

Hi everybody ...
here are the feedback from my meeting with the CIRB.
as i'm more confortable with french the following message
will be in french ... sorry

Donc :
* Au niveau des mises à jours, le wfs wms est actualisé
toutes les semaines alors que l'interface de téléchargment
ne l'est que 1 fois par trimestre.

* un nouveau système de versioning plus sémantique et
informatif sur les modifications devrait voir le jour
début de l'année prochaine

* Le cirb est évidemment intéressé par les retours sur les
données.
Vous pouvez faire vos retour soit via moi (un petit mail )
soit via la page du wiki ici présente:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Urbis_feedback
ou directement via la IRISLINE (

* Les orthophotos sont disponibles au téléchargement via
la Irisbox ou via le servie de DL

(http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/fr/catalogue-de-services/urbis/telechargement)
La résolution est de 7.5cm si téléchargé par commune et
10cm? si téléchargé pour la région entière...
Elles sont évidemment disponible sous la même licence que
le reste.

* La 3D devrais arriver l'année prochaine ... elle aussi
sous licence libre.

* Pour tout ce qui est routage (vitesse, circulation,
restrictions, ...) , le CIRB n'a pas de données il
faut s'adresser à Bruxelles mobilité (mais c'est pas
certains qu'ils possèdent l'info , ou pas forcément à jours)
voir http://data.irisnetlab.be/ pour les données en OpenData

* Pour les infos PMR: voir BXL mobilité ou les communes
directement.

* Dans Urbis les données sur les oneway par exemple ne
sont pas à jour ... et il ya pas de plan de le faire
ils pensent à éventuellement Crowdsourcer ...

* Pour les impétrants , pareils il faut demander au
impétrants eux même le CIRB n'a pas l'info
pareil pour les hydrant (au pompiers ou a vivaqua)

* Nous sommes invité à participé au UserClub du CIRB

Re: [OSM-talk-be] Firefighters and OSM + fire_hydrant

2013-07-16 Thread Julien Fastré


@Marc: Thanks for this information, Marc.

@Glenn: What does this mean :


  * fire_hydrant:position = sidewalk;0.0;1.2;0.0
  * fire_hydrant:standard = DIN

I understand fire_hydrant:position:sidewalk, but not the numbers after. 
Are they the position from the sidewalk's edge ?


Do you have a list of fire_hydrant:standard ?

In the wiki, the page key:fire_hydrant:position redirect to 
key:fire_hydrant.


Julien

Le 15/07/13 21:36, Marc Gemis a écrit :
In Friesland, Germany, they recently did an import of fire hydrants: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/16872978


regards

m


On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 9:31 PM, Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be 
mailto:gl...@byte-consult.be wrote:


On 07/15/2013 08:37 PM, Julien Fastré wrote:

Thank you, Glenn ! I will speak to them about your dataset
request/suggestion.

Julien


Hi Julien,

No problem, you could refer the mappers involved to npde
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/2155389836 as an example.

this node already seen a revision as well, so there are more
contributers which is very good.  See wiki as well :
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:emergency%3Dfire_hydrant
and beyond.

Greetings,

Glenn

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[OSM-talk-be] Re : Do we have legislation in Belgium to stop internet vandalism?

2013-05-17 Thread Julien Fastré

Hello,

My forêt question is: will the belgian law apply?

Julien
Envoyé depuis mon téléphone

Jo winfi...@gmail.com a écrit :

Hi,

I received a question from Henning from the DWG asking whether we have
legislation in Belgium which can be used to warn off people committing
vandalism on our data.

There is somebody in Belgium who thinks it's funny to use highways to draw
letters and symbols over the map:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Vandalism_20130516.png

Jo

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] URBis, Open!

2013-04-26 Thread Julien Fastré

Very good news !

 The licence seems to be permissive and OSM compatible...(any
 confirmation on that?)

The licence was written to permit a reuse in OSM, according to the
responsible of the Urbis Service. We should ask our French colleagues
how to satisfy the mention of the data's producer: the licence is a copy
of the French Etalab licence.

Julien



Le 25/04/13 17:20, eMerzh a écrit :
 Hi,
 some times aga there where a announce about the liberation of Urbis
 (the gis system of Brussels).

 And now, this is it, i've miss the announce but it seems to be
 available since the 1st april ...no jokes :p

 http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/catalogue-de-services/urbis/acces-aux-donnees

 The licence seems to be permissive and OSM compatible...(any
 confirmation on that?)

 http://www.cirb.irisnet.be/catalogue-de-services/urbis/licence-urbis-open-data/at_download/file

 So now , you know what's left to do?

 find a way to put all this stuff in OSM!

 What do you think is the best way?

 Yey for opendata


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[OSM-talk-be] Re : Re: Meeting with SPW (some elements of the discussion may also interest Flemish people)

2013-03-24 Thread Julien Fastré

Ben,

The process should tend to be the most automatised possible. That's why we 
should think about this tag 'since' or 'start_date' (which seems to be more 
appropriate because already used).

Reading your answer you seems to have perfectly understood :-)

Julien

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Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com a écrit :

Julien,

Starting slow is good I think and the part about updating is very very
interesting!

Can't they judge an update based on a comparison between OSM and their own
data? Or is this supposed to be an automated process?

Can't they also ask users directly why they made a change if there is some
doubt about something?

(I probably don't understand completely! :-) )

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen
ben.abelshau...@gmail.com ben.abelshau...@gmail.be
http://twitter.com/xivk http://twitter.com/xivk



On Sat, Mar 23, 2013 at 9:55 PM, Julien Fastré jul...@fastre.info wrote:

 Hi,

 This is some news following the contact that eMerzh, Benoit Coumont and
 I had with the SPW (Service Public de Wallonie) on Friday.

 The meeting was rather positive. They think about applying an
 ODbL-compatible licence on some data.

 - at first, they will think about letting us use the new orthophoto
 (precision 25cm). The year-2012 pictures will be published on the
 website before summer ;
 - we agreed on the fact that beginning slowly is better. They will
 discuss about releasing three kind of data under open-licence:
 - hydrological data (there isn't a lot of rivers and streams in the db)
 - path and footways, because we were thinking that osm is quite
 useful for hikers, we thought it was an added value for everybody ;
 - and Arbres et haies remarquables because it is easy and quite
 fun :-)

 They were speaking having a decision for their master plan which
 should be adopted in September 2013. But they also added that it will be
 easy to add opendata items in their master plan if a first experience
 works before. So, one of those items could be released before.

 The SPW has also a request for our community (this is were flemish
 people might be more interested !)

 They would like to use OSM to track changes in Wallonia. They would like
 to know where to send their teams, where there is some new roads, or
 where the roads or elements are modified.

 The problem is: how to track those changes ? If I add a new road in OSM,
 is it a road build in the past month, or is it a road build years ago,
 but which didn't exist in the osm'db ? And if I update a line highway,
 am I correcting some mistake, or adapting our map to some new reality ?

 We thought about one solution: a tag since to object which are updated
 or build in the reality and modified in the db. Example: if a road has a
 new bike lane, I update the line with JOSM and add the tag
 since=2013-01-01 on the object. Within SPW, they track the tags
 since and see where are changes.

 What do you think ?

 Julien Fastré

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[OSM-talk-be] Re : Re: OSM presentation on Tuesday 19th March

2013-03-18 Thread Julien Fastré

Oui j'avais vu. Ils ont envoyé un template dans un format propriétaire, avec 
une police propriétaire. D'où ce souci (la police de remplacement n'a pas la 
même taille).

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Nicolas Pettiaux nico...@pettiaux.be a écrit :

Merci et beau travail.

Une petite note de forme : le bandeau inférieur est coupé à gauche sur
le pdf presentation_AMFM_GIS_-_relu_Jo_with_notes.pdf

le «sé» de séminaire n'est pas visible.

Bonne journée,

Nicolas

2013/3/17 Julien Fastré jul...@fastre.info:
 Thanks for all your ideas and contributions.

 I integrated your advies/conseils and I trained with my girlfriend (her
 contribution to OSM) and upload the V2 to my onwcloud's instance. I find
 easier to share the directory, be careful of the date of upload !
 https://cloud.fastre.info/public.php?service=filest=b5ef6076c452d783cc8633263f43ec3c

 Thanks,
 Julien

 Le 17/03/13 21:09, Joren a écrit :

 Op 17-03-13 19:22, Jo schreef:
 Does Impress also have a way to record changes like Writer?

 No it doesn't have a feature like that. A possibility is to copy the
 text into the notes field and do you changes over there (select the
 Notes tab at the top of the edit field).

 Kind regards,
 Joren

 (Quality Assurance volunteer of LibreOffice) (besides a volunteer for
 OpenStreetMap ;-) )

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[OSM-talk-be] Natura 2000 + SPW

2013-03-18 Thread Julien Fastré


Hi,

I keep you inform: we have a next appointment with SPW (Service public 
de Wallonie) on Friday. We will discuss with the top manager (le 
directeur de la géomatique) about applying an open licence on some data 
published on the brand new geoportail (http://geoportail.wallonie.be). 
eMerzh, Benoit Coumont and I will be present there.


Last October, we met them for a first time. We were planning to discuss 
opening some orthophoto and a address' database for beginning during 2013.


I was also thinking about something: the Natura 2000 sites are, in 
Wallonia, designated by decrees. Those are in public domain (are they?). 
A map of the Natura 2000 areas are joined to the decree (see an example 
here : http://environnement.wallonie.be/legis/consnat/natura001.htm, 
annexe 2)


Should we not consider those data are in public domain ? Including the 
publication on the WMS server ?


Can't we integrate those data into OSM'database, with specific tags ? 
Having a link to the [fiche descriptive] here : 
http://biodiversite.wallonie.be/fr/rechercher-un-site-interessant-ou-protege.html?IDC=2828TYPE_N2000=site_n2000 
?


Searching on the wiki, I read that something has already the same idea 
on a meeting on 12th September 
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Activities/2012-09-12-namur)


Les données Natura 2000 (Région wallonne) sont déjà libres et 
réutilisables. Les PICverts seraient potentiellement libérables, voir 
avec F.L..

What do you think ?

Julien Fastré

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM presentation on Tuesday 19th March

2013-03-17 Thread Julien Fastré


  
  
Hi,

I thank you for all your reactions and arguments.

Here are the files of the presentation. 

If you have remarks, I will be glad to read them ! 

PDF file :
https://cloud.fastre.info/public.php?service=filest=0da0d63b426c32633d6d2e5bf30677bf
ODP file (necessary to read the "notes") :
https://cloud.fastre.info/public.php?service=filest=2100dcbb7d27782d16976f697dc07d09
(I use the open font "Cabin", download and install it for a best
slideshow :-) )

Julien Fastr

Le 14/03/13 04:15, A.Pirard.Papou a
  crit:


  
  On 2013-03-13 21:11, Julien wrote :
  
  
Hi !

I would like to discuss with the list some ideas I had for the OSM's
presentation of next Tuesday.
...

  
  Good job, Julien, 
  
  You may add that Wikipedia uses OSM as a choice map
  At least in Dutch ... (Kaart),  in French ...(carte), in English
Coordinates:   
  :  (O)
  ...
  
  Regarding Neil's site, the most impressive page is this:
  
  http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc?zoom=9lat=50.76281lon=4.61149layers=B00TFT
  
  You've got 1: the OSM map, 2: a brilliant application and 3) the
  collaborators altogether on the same display. What is missing
  is a joystick and a ball to kick ;)
  
  and best of luck
  
  Cheers, 
  
  

  
Andr.
  

  
  
  
  
  
  
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM presentation on Tuesday 19th March

2013-03-17 Thread Julien Fastré

Here is a pdf with the notes below each diapositive :
https://cloud.fastre.info/public.php?service=filest=71624607bc4f3f783de9e19db921

Le 17/03/13 17:02, Julien Fastr a
crit:

Hi,

I thank you for all your reactions and arguments.

Here are the files of the presentation.

If you have remarks, I will be glad to read them !

PDF file :
https://cloud.fastre.info/public.php?service=filest=0da0d63b426c32633d6d2e5bf30677bf
ODP file (necessary to read the "notes") : https://cloud.fastre.info/public.php?service=filest=2100dcbb7d27782d16976f697dc07d09
(I use the open font "Cabin", download and install it for a best
slideshow :-) )

Julien Fastr

Le 14/03/13 04:15, A.Pirard.Papou a
crit:

On 2013-03-13 21:11, Julien wrote :

Hi !

I would like to discuss with the list some ideas I had for the OSM's
presentation of next Tuesday.
...

Good job, Julien,

You may add that Wikipedia uses OSM as a choice map
At least in Dutch ... (Kaart), in French ...(carte), in English
Coordinates:
: (O)
...

Regarding Neil's site, the most impressive page is this:

http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc?zoom=9lat=50.76281lon=4.61149layers=B00TFT

You've got 1: the OSM map, 2: a brilliant application and 3) the
collaborators altogether on the same display. What is missing
is a joystick and a ball to kick ;)

and best of luck

Cheers,

Andr.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM presentation on Tuesday 19th March

2013-03-17 Thread Julien Fastré

Thanks for all your ideas and contributions.

I integrated your advies/conseils and I trained with my girlfriend (her
contribution to OSM) and upload the V2 to my onwcloud's instance. I find
easier to share the directory, be careful of the date of upload !
https://cloud.fastre.info/public.php?service=filest=b5ef6076c452d783cc8633263f43ec3c

Thanks,
Julien

Le 17/03/13 21:09, Joren a écrit :

 Op 17-03-13 19:22, Jo schreef:
 Does Impress also have a way to record changes like Writer?

 No it doesn't have a feature like that. A possibility is to copy the
 text into the notes field and do you changes over there (select the
 Notes tab at the top of the edit field).

 Kind regards,
 Joren

 (Quality Assurance volunteer of LibreOffice) (besides a volunteer for
 OpenStreetMap ;-) )

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[OSM-talk-be] OSM presentation on Tuesday 19th March

2013-03-13 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi !

I would like to discuss with the list some ideas I had for the OSM's
presentation of next Tuesday.

I apologize for the lack of discussion and information about this
activity. Having a child, a pregnant wife, two professionnal activities
and volunteers engagements doesn't help.

For this presentation, I would like to talk about subject I know better
than others. But I do not consider myself as a specialist for them.
Correct me if required !

This is the plan of my presentation. I am going to prepare an ODP this
week-end.

The theme of the day is Open Data: Mythe ou réalité ? (Open Data, myth
or reality ?) The title of the presentation is when open data helps
OSM, when OSM helps citizens and companies. It will be in French, a
language I practice with more ease than Dutch and English :-)

Could you read the schema of the presentation and tell me what do you
think ?
I have also two questions: do you know how much contributors exist in
Belgium ? Or, for a more precise question: do you know how much
contributors made more than two or three edits in Belgium ? (I consider
that a contributors with only one or two edit is not a regular one...)

This is the scheme of the presentation :

1. a short presentation of OSM

1.1 OSM is the wikipedia of the map. At first, it is a geographical
database. There are less restrictions in modifying the database (you
must have an account and an access to Internet). The data may be re-used
and modified as long as you attribute, share-alike and keep open the DB
(see http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/summary/)

1.2 OSM is an ecosystem: the community developped a lot of tools for
improving the quality of the data: tools to enter data, quality tools
(Osmosis, osminspector, etc.), some tools to coordinate the action
(wiki, mailing-lists, etc.)

1.3 In Belgium, the sources of the data are Bing, gps track, and the
time and contributions of many volunteers. The coverage is quite good.

1.4 Abroad, a lot of countries could improve the quality of the data
thanks to open geographical data.

2. I speak then about one experience in France: the cadastre (because it
is one I know the best; it may be not the more talkative: help me if not...)

2.1 a little history
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Cadastre_Fran%C3%A7ais/Conditions_d%27utilisation#Petit_rappel_historique

So, the cadastre give the authorization to be re-used in OSM, and opens
a WMS server... So people enjoy !

2.2 some tools were developped for importing the data: a josm plugin,
etc. A coordination was made (a source tag, etc.)

2.3 There were some problems with the imports : some people imported
data upon existing data; etc. This was a tricky job.

2.4 It brings also good things to OSM: a better quality, new
contributors, a better visibility and, at least, an OSMFR association
was founded.

2.5 Open data brings more open data. in France, some cities open data
(Rennes, etc.) . A portal was opened, a licence was chosed, etc.

2.6 What can we retain ?
- the necessity of a comprehensible licence ;
- the use of standards format ease open data, the persistency of the
format too (I saw on a blog a post that a company had to re-develop a
script to exploit open data because updated data was published in a new
XML format) ;
- accessibility and low restriction ease too ;

3. When OSM profit to citizens

3.1 In Belgium, some companies use OSM data, but do not communicate
about that. We have heard about GeoDynamics, etc. Those companies does
not have a lot of contacts with OSM community. This could be good for
the community that they develop some strategy for Open Gis projects.

3.2 Abroad, some companies have developped a strategy to use open data:
cloudmade, maptools, etc.

3.3 In France, 3Liz and Geovelo sell products with opendata (I know
Geovelo the best, being a cyclist)

3.4 For citizens, there are a lot of uses: a lot of maps, etc.

3.5 Association may reuse open data. For instance, with the GRACq, we
are thinking about heat map to analyze the opportunity of creating new
bikelanes.

So, what do you think ?

Julien Fastré

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[OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Re: Open Street Map - Open Data : invitation au séminaire AM/FM

2013-02-12 Thread Julien Fastré


  
  
Bonjour,

(Short summary in english: we are invited to present OSM and the
link between OSM and Open Data at a seminar of GIS companies on 19th
March.

I write in French as this event will be french-speaking.)

Nous sommes invits  prsenter OSM  un sminaire de l'AM/FM GIS,
une association d'entreprises et d'entrepreneurs active dans le GIS.
L'angle de la prsentation: l'open data. 

Je me suis engag  prsenter OSM, mais si quelqu'un a envie de le
faire, ou de le faire en duo avec moi faut pas hsiter ! (parce que,
l, je me dis: "aie, ais-je bien fait de m'engager?") Faudrait aussi
que plusieurs personnes relisent la prsentation.

JE vais voir s'il n'existe pas du contenu chez nos voisins du sud
(la france). 

Et si des gens veulent assister...

Julien Fastr

  
   Message original 
  

  
Date: 
Tue, 12 Feb 2013 12:11:08 +0100
  
  
From: 


  
  
To: 


  
  
Subject:

Re: Open Street Map - Open Data : invitation au
  sminaire AM/FM
  

  
  
  
  
  Bonjour,
  
  Votre invitation nous rjouit. Je vais mettre tout en oeuvre pour
  y participer et soit prsenter moi-mme le projet OSM, soit
  trouver quelqu'un d'adquat pour ce faire.
  
  J'avais dj t en contact avec R.P. dans le cadre de mon travail
  il y a plusieurs semaines, et il m'avait parl de votre
  association. J'avais en tte de vous contacter.
  
  Si je comprends bien, vous voudriez une prsentation sous l'angle
  de l'Open Data. Avez-vous des attentes plus prcises ? Pouvez-vous
  juste me confirmer que vous attendez une prsentation plus
  "conomique et sociale" (l'impact de l'Open Data sur OSM, la
  rutilisation des donnes pour les citoyens/entreprises, etc.) que
  "technique" (les serveurs, les caractristiques de la BD, etc.) ?
  
  
  Est-ce que les gens de l'assemble connaissent OpenStreetMap ? 
  
  Enfin, vous pouvez me confirmer que la prsentation aura lieu en
  franais ? 
  
  Bien  vous,
  Julien Fastr
  
  Le 11/02/2013 16:28, A E a crit:
  
  





  Bonjour M.
  Fastr,
  
  Jai obtenu
  vos coordonnes par M. J, du dpartement de la Gomatique
  au SPW. J ma signal avoir eu des contacts avec vous dans
  le cadre dOpen Street Map.
  
  Notre
  association AM/FM (http://www.amfmgis-belux.be/amfmgis-belux/WELCOME.html),

  qui vise  promouvoir la gomatique, va organiser un
  sminaire le 19 mars prochain sur le thme de lOpen Data
  (Open Data, Mythe ou Ralit).
  
  Si cela est
  pertinent, seriez-vous dispos  venir y prsenter le
  projet Open Street Map et son lien avec le mouvement Open
  Data?
  
  Cordialement.
  
  
  

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[OSM-talk-be] REWICS (was : FOSDEM)

2013-02-06 Thread Julien Fastré


Hi,

I am ready to have a stand and a conference also.

I will ask the organisers if it is possible.

I think I can share my own experience in teaching in os I had on January 
at work. This will also help my director to let me have a day off :-)


Julien


Le 05/02/13 12:45, Jo a écrit :
I think a presentation to introduce Openstreetmap would be very 
appropriate there. I guess my French is sufficient to present it, but 
I think it would be better if a native speaker would do it. I'm pretty 
sure parts of the presentation presented in Mons can be (re)used:


http://www.loligrub.be/wiki/openstreetmap#conference_jeudis_du_libre_du_17_janvier_2013

Didier was going to provide the source document as odt too.

Are you going to ask the organisers if we can give a presentation and 
a present a stand? I'm prepared to take that Thursday off from work to 
man the stand.


Jo

2013/2/5 Julien Fastré jul...@fastre.info mailto:jul...@fastre.info

Hi,

I am also open to discuss on the opportunity to have a stand  (and
a conference ? The level is not the same than FOSDEM...) at the
Walloon Event rewics in Charleroi, end of April.
http://www.rewics.be

Julien

Le 04/02/13 14:08, Jo a écrit :

No worries Peter. I'm planning to show it in Lier. There is so
much going on at FOSDEM, one has to find a way to divide and
conquer :-)

Ben, I hope the Hack weekend was productive!

The first week of July there will be another event around free
software and free content. The RMLL comes to Brussels this time!
Usually it's somewhere in France and last year it was in
Switzerland. Too far away for me. But now that it's nearby we
should make sure we represent OSM there.

They would like we do a mapping party on the day for 'le grand
public'.
I think we can do 1 or 2 presentations (introductory and more
advanced) and I think it's important we'll have a stand there as
well. Maybe with 3 to 5 computers, so people can get some
'hands-on' experience.

And we need 'goodies', of course: T-shirts, but also anoraks/rain
coats, caps, high-viz vests. Cups, pens (muts/bonnet maybe for
the die hard mappers...) ?
Openstreetmap.fr is working on that, but I'm not entirely sure if
they will be with .fr or with .org then.

The first week of August there is the festival of Esperanza in
Floreffe, where OSM also has a presence, thanks to Pierre Willot.

Jo

2013/2/4 Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com
mailto:ben.abelshau...@gmail.com

Hi,

I was, as usual, also planning to visit FOSDEM but decided to
go to the OSM London Hack Weekend
(http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/London_Hack_Weekend_Feb_2013)
but I will be able to meet you all in Lier again. Hopefully a
lot of you will join because I still haven't met a lot of the
mappers on this list!

My compliments to the organizers of the stand, maybe next
year I will be able to join!

Regards,

Ben


On Mon, Feb 4, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Peter Leemans
pe...@bist2.be mailto:pe...@bist2.be wrote:


Hi,

I payed a little visit a couple of times to the stand.
First estimates are there where between 5 and 7000
visitors there on saturday.
So the project should have had 'some' exposure :).
It was nice to have you guys at Fosdem.

Also want to say sorry to Jo.
He wanted to show me some stuff he had done, but
unfortunatly I didn't have the time.
Hopefully I can find some time to join in Lier.

Regards,
Peter 'toi' Leemans


On 04-02-13 09:49, Julien Fastré wrote:

Hi,

For your information some mappers, belgian and
french, were presents at FOSDEM to present OSM in a
stand.

We had good contacts with people at FOSDEM. This was
a nice week-end ! A lot of contacts and meetings.

We were thinking that some question were very
accurate. The Jo's presence was helpful for those
questions. We should keep that in mind for next year.

Regards,
Julien Fastré

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[OSM-talk-be] FOSDEM

2013-02-04 Thread Julien Fastré


Hi,

For your information some mappers, belgian and french, were presents at 
FOSDEM to present OSM in a stand.


We had good contacts with people at FOSDEM. This was a nice week-end ! A 
lot of contacts and meetings.


We were thinking that some question were very accurate. The Jo's 
presence was helpful for those questions. We should keep that in mind 
for next year.


Regards,
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[OSM-talk-be] Re : Cartographie Wallonie

2013-02-01 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

We must have new contacts with spw this month. I was planning to send them an 
email... Tomorrow!

Julien Fastre

Envoyé depuis mon téléphone

A.Pirard.Papou a.pirard.pa...@gmail.com a écrit :

Hi,

For several years, people and myself have asked without reply 
C/artographie/ Wallonie 
http://www.google.be/url?sa=trct=jq=cartographie+walloniesource=webcd=1cad=rjaved=0CDIQFjAAurl=http%3A%2F%2Fcartographie.wallonie.be%2Fei=7OwLUdOgEIOt0QXRm4CIAgusg=AFQjCNHsqIR2rsLmaZ9P2wi3G5NbLXIMpg
 
to confirm that they open our servers to be used for OSM, especially 
PICC data of paramount importance (1).
Feesnone/FeesAccessConstraintsnone/AccessConstraints in their 
WMS server.

I once read that one person finally got an answer: they are not against 
such usage but they have no time to make and publish an official decision.

Am I remembering right that last year this subject was raised on this 
list and that it was said that a decision could be made by the end of 
2012?   Is there any news about that?

Cheers,

André.


(1) the PICC data has defects (e.g. missing 50m of way length) and it's 
some way to improve it to copy it to OSM with corrections. PICC data 
seems to be vector format behind the tiles. Could it be translated to 
OSM format to be used as material to make updates?


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Maas/La Meuse disappearing...

2013-01-05 Thread Julien Fastré

Hi,

I sent this message to llnoxll.

Regards,
Julien

 Bonjour,

 Petite partie en anglais, au cas où tu ne parlerais pas français: I
 assume you are a french speaker because you contribute in
 French-speaking parts of the world. If you speak English or Dutch, do
 not hesitate to warn me and I will translate my mail.

 Bienvenue sur OSM ! Nous avons remarqué que tu t'es inscrit sur OSM et
 que tu as déjà effectué quelques contributions au projet.

 Je me présente : je suis un contributeur depuis 2-3 ans,
 essentiellement dans la région de Liège.

 Vendredi dernier, j'étais en train de contribuer lorsque j'ai remarqué
 que la Meuse avait disparu de ma ville. Et en remontant le fil de
 l'eau, j'ai vu qu'elle avait même disparu jusque Namur.

 En consultant l'historique de la relation Meuse j'ai remarqué que tu
 avais été l'un des derniers à l'avoir modifié. J'ai rapidement trouvé
 ton erreur et j'ai pu la réparer.

 Vraiment, il n'y a rien de grave: ce sont des choses qui arrive, et
 des accidents de ce type, même avec une certaine expérience, il nous
 arrive d'en faire !

 Cependant, je me suis dit que, voyant que tu continuais à contribuer,
 j'allais te contacter pour t'expliquer la manipulation qui a fait
 disparaitre tout le fleuve, histoire que tu puisses y être attentif
 dans tes prochaines contributions.

 En fait, la Meuse est représentée par deux objets: le premier est un
 chemin, qui est situé plus ou moins au centre de la rivière. Et puis,
 étant large, elle est un multipolygone qui dessine sa surface, de
 berge à berge.

 Tu trouveras plus d'infos sur les multipolygones ici :
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Multipolygon

 (n'hésite pas, d'ailleurs, à consulter abondamment le wiki qui
 contient plein de choses intéressantes).

 Lors d'une de tes contributions, il semble que tu ais supprimé un
 chemin qui formait ce multipolygone et que tu l'ais remplacé par une
 route, qui s'étendait sur la berge du fleuve.

 J'ai donc fait un revert (une sorte de magie noire par laquelle j'ai
 annulé une partie de tes modifications) et corrigé le problème. Dès
 que j'ai pu l'identifier, ça m'a pris quelques minutes à peine.

 Pourrais-tu être attentif aux multipolygones à l'avenir ?

 Enfin, quelques petits conseils: - je vois que tu utilises l'éditeur
 en ligne Plotlatch pour tes modifs. Pour ma part, je préfère nettement
 JOSM, qui est beaucoup plus précis, et qui contient plus de messages
 d'avertissements. Il suffit de le télécharger sur
 http://josm.openstreetmap.de - je t'invite à t'inscrire à la
 mailing-liste belge des contributeurs OSM
 (http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-be). Ca n'est pas
 indispensable, mais c'est un endroit intéressant pour apprendre plein
 de choses. C'est également là que l'on discute des accidents comme
 la disparition de La Meuse. La langue principale est l'anglais, mais
 si tu parles français ou néerlandais, personne ne t'en voudras ! (je
 pense)

 Si tu as des questions, n'hésite pas me contacter, je te répondrais
 avec plaisir.

 Bonnes contributions, Julien Fastré


Le 04/01/2013 14:43, A.Pirard.Papou a écrit :
 On 2013-01-04 13:35, Julien Fastré wrote :
 Hi,

 The guy split a outer-way into two parts, convert one parts to a
 road, and did not add the old part to the multipolygon. So, this was
 not closed any more.
 That's what must happen when one uses the same way for different kinds
 of objects.
 A change to one of the object destroys the other object unintentionally.
 Either carelessly or by ignorance.
 This should be explained to newer taggers.
 That's why I carefully detached administrative boundaries from the
 Meuse in that neighborhood.

 The same kind of problems often occur with landuse.
 I often make corrections to roads that are 10 to 50 m off course, and
 even more.
 And I find that landuse often attach to everything they can.
 Even when crossing a road at 90° will some landuses have a dot in
 common with the road.
 Consequently, when one segment of the road is moved to the correct
 place, the whole landuse moves too.
 Well, I'd prefer not to have to cope with landuse too when I'm
 correcting roads.
 In theory, if they attach landuse to a road, they want the landuse
 moved with the road, don't they.
 But in doing so, the other attached roads at the other far away side
 move too.
 In practice, I detach the whole landuse from everything.

 Could this landuse supergluing please stop?
 Could their taggers be called back to correct their mistakes?

 Cordialement,

 André.










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[OSM-talk-be] Maas/La Meuse disappearing...

2013-01-04 Thread Julien Fastré


Hi,

The Maas River disappeared from the map :-) 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.61063lon=5.55003zoom=15layers=M


It seems that the multipolygon is broken.

This is due to a newby, which made some change yesterday: 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/14511386


I am examining the possibility to revert the whole change. I was 
thinking about correcting only the problem, but it seems complicated to 
me to examine all changes... So I found easier to revert the whole group.


I am going to write to llnoxll to warn him on a friendly way :-) 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/llnoxll


I will do this (revert + writing) this afternoon, but if someone feel 
more comfortable than me doing this, do not hesitate !


Julien Fastré

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