[OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Open Belgium 2019: Call for Speakers + Early Bird Tickets!

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi everyone!

In a few months we have Open Belgium again (yay!) and as usual we will have
talks about OSM (Belgium).  We invite everyone to submit a talk,
**anything** related to open-(something) is fine, that means openstreetmap
too! ;-) We will also organize a community day during the weekend this
year, more news about that later, so even if you can't make it on the 4th
of march we urge you to submit talks/workshops anyway. We can move them to
the community day later.

We will probably also have a booth with OSM Belgium and usually have a lot
of fun so don't miss it! If you want to attend but find the entry tickets
too expense get in touch with me, the community day will be free (to be
announced later).

All details here:

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] temporary cycle routes

[Ben Abelshausen]

In London some of the routes are mapped as proposed, it's a bit annoying if
you don't know that they are just proposed and not actually there:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6691788

Rendering is a dotted version of the normal line on the cycle layer:

https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=18/51.54524/-0.01871=C

So, not sure if we should be mapping this if they don't exist yet... but if
it's an 'official' detour why not? Some of these routes are only virtual
anyway and not signed at all.

Cheers,
Ben

On Thu, Feb 1, 2018 at 2:55 PM, joost schouppe 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I got an interesting question today. As the Flemish "fietsostrades"
> (fietssnelwegen, or cycle highways) are taking shape, so they are being
> mapped in OSM. People are already using the data, even though in reality,
> this is till very much a project.
>
> In more and more places, parts are completely ready, but then just stop.
> And in some cases, there is an "official detour" of the fietsostrade. So
> while the infrastructure is not there yet, in a sense the route is already
> there.
>
> How do you think this should be mapped, if at all?
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Open Belgium

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi Nicolas,

A talk like the one you propose is very welcome, just submit it via the
form here:

http://2018.openbelgium.be/speakers

As for the rest, most of that we already have but maybe it's not that
visible or could be improved, we have a meetup in Brussels next week, feel
free to join:

https://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Belgium/events/246652801/

Cheers,
Ben

On Wed, Jan 10, 2018 at 8:40 AM, Nicolas Pettiaux 
wrote:

> Hi Joost and the other members of the list,
>
> I would like to talk about a project I am resuming to work on : mapping
> the depth of the sea, at least the Belgian coast. This is part of
> OpenSeaMap.
>
> I would also like to talk about the applications maps.me and
> StreetComplete that can be of daily use, that are very convenient and
> easy. StreetComplete is an easy way to help improve OSM
>
> I think having a discussion of OSM enthusiats about the future
> activities around OSM in Belgium would be good, as well as having a
> yearly planning of all the activities known today that could be
> interesting (eg. Fosdem in February, then OpenBelgium, then some HOT
> activities like last year possibly then Educode.be ...)
>
> Regards,
>
> Nicolas
>
> Le 10/01/18 à 09:21, joost schouppe a écrit :
> > Hi,
> >
> > The next Open Belgium conference is coming up, bringing together the
> > entire "open community" of Belgium. It's not just about official open
> > data providers and users, but also open knowledge, open source, and of
> > course us, OpenStreetMap in Belgium.
> >
> > http://2018.openbelgium.be/
> >
> > Since OpenStreetMap Belgium is one of the working groups of Open
> > Knowledge Belgium, we can do stuff during the conference. What we do, is
> > up to you! If you've done anything with regards to OSM that you would
> > like to share, now is the time. For now, the deadline for proposals is
> > this Sunday. Early bird tickets also end soon (though send me a PM if
> > ticket price is an issue). So time for action!
> >
> > Things we were thinking about ourselves:
> > - talk about OSM Belgium, organisational as well as our projects
> > - maybe some of escada's projects, like what the Fietsersbond has been
> up to
> > - the GBB import
> > - Trage Wegen (they always do cool stuff with OSM and open knowledge
> > creation)
> > - last year's Open Summer of Code students
> > - have that long overdue landuse debate
> > - an introduction to humanitarian mapping
> > - [ your proposal here ]
> >
> > Don't be shy, don't hesitate to contact me or commun...@osm.be
> >  with questions. Hope to see you there!
> >
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM and SIAMU

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi Nicolas,

Welcome back on this list, it has been a while! ;-) Thanks for taking this
on.

I have the impression that working openly with the community is for many
> organizations a difficult step to consider and manage.
>
> I think that the human relationships play an extremely important part in
> the success or failure of the use of technology, here the data.
>
> May I suggest that the SIAMU invite the active members of this thread of

discussion for a physical (in person) meeting on their premises.


This is (part of) why we started OSM Belgium. I'm sure we can setup
something where we meet face-to-face. I suggest emailing community -at-
osm.be and we can work from there. We'll invite whoever is interested from
the OSM community to come along.

@glenn: When I have a little more time I'll try to explain on Riot what I
mean ;-)

Cheers,
Ben

2017-11-27 23:29 GMT+00:00 Nicolas Pettiaux :

> Dear all
>
> Together with Marc Ducobu as other member of the « OSM community » I
> have attended a meeting organized at VIAS (the former IBSR) by Herbert
> Hansen with representatives from the Siamu, Police and other (see mail
> here below).
>
> I have the impression that working openly with the community is for many
> organizations a difficult step to consider and manage.
>
> I think that the human relationships play an extremely important part in
> the success or failure of the use of technology, here the data.
>
> May I suggest that the SIAMU invite the active members of this thread of
> discussion for a physical (in person) meeting on their premises.
>
> As I suggested to the SIAMU, and as they have done with the very
> interesting exchange initiated by Nadia Poncelet, working openly with
> the community that is striving to address cases of general concerns and
> general interest, would be profitable.
>
> Maybe Mr Hansen who worked with GIS data a lot and now helps
> institutions with projects could help in making sure that such a meeting
> is profitable for all parties (aka SIamu and OSM).
>
> Best regards,
>
> Nicolas
>
>
> ==
>
>
> Bonjour,
>
>
>
> Pour rappel vous êtes inscrit(s) au workshop ayant pour thème la
> mobilité - sécurité routière et innovation géospatiale.
>
>
>
> Le workshop sera organisé le 27/11/2017 de 9 :30 à 13 :00 (lunch
> inclus).  Adresse du jour : VIAS, Haachtsesteenweg/Chaussée de Haecht
> 1405, 1130 Brussels
>
>
>
> L’objectif de ce workshop est:
>
> 1.  réunir les professionnels de ce secteur et
> recueillir leurs besoins en la matière,
>
> 2.  présenter l’état de l’art en technologies géospatiales
>
> 3.  mutualiser/consolider les besoins de toutes les
> organisations présentes,
>
> de manière à envisager, en réponse à ces besoins,  une solution
> rationnelle intégrant les techniques géo-spatiales.
>
>
>
> Pour votre information nous avons le plaisir de réunir des représentants
> de VIAS, la Police Fédérale, les pompiers de Bruxelles, la communauté
> Open Street Map, le pôle Logistics in Wallonia, l’UWE, L’Université de
> Liège, etc.
>
>
>
> Cette matinée a été conçue sous forme d’un atelier de travail, votre
> présence est donc nécessaire pendant toute sa durée.
>
>
>
> Je vous remercie encore pour votre participation. N’hésitez pas à me
> contacter si avez la moindre questions.
>
>
>
> Au plaisir de collaborer avec vous lundi prochain,
>
>
>
> Herbert HANSEN
>
> Project manager
>
>
> Rue Bois Saint Jean, 15/1 | B-4102 Seraing, Belgium
>
> Web : www.wsl.be l www.fabspace.eu
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>
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM and SIAMU

[Ben Abelshausen]

I think this problem can be solved with OpenLR, or at least to a level of
acceptable quality comparable to mapping the ID's in OSM. I'm willing to
help out with that, how that would work for examples for brussels:

OpenLR, encodes a location on a network in a kind of ID like this:

KwMXmiQm5xt0Af+x/79bBGY=

This decodes into a segment like this:

http://openlr.itinero.tech/?code=KwMXmiQm5xt0Af+x/79bBGY=

In your internal database you keep the code above, and link the streetname
to that segment, the segment always decodes no matter who updates the map
or the ID's of the OSM ways. As long as the road still exists the code will
work. It's a perfect way to associate data to a road network for cars (or
in this case firetrucks) without having a dependency on the network ID's or
mapped ID's on the network.

Other examples:

http://openlr.itinero.tech/?code=KwMXuCQnBSOKAQB6/76jGoQ=
http://openlr.itinero.tech/?code=KwMaESQmxiOVBP9E/zOjBaw=
http://openlr.itinero.tech/?code=KwMZgSQmHSOaBP+mANRjEUQ=

Generating codes can be done by just clicking on the map if you want to
generate your own.

All this software is open-source and can be setup locally.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

On Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 2:50 PM, Jo <winfi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> If I  understood correctly every single street name of the Netherlands is
> already in Wikidata.
>
> 2017-11-23 14:31 GMT+01:00 joost schouppe <joost.schou...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Jo,
>> Does Urbis hold the same authority about the correct street name as CRAB
>> does in Flanders? I've understood there might not be a single authoritaive
>> list for Brussels, but I'm not sure.
>> Do you have an idea on how it would actually work on this scale with
>> Wikidata? Do you know of some projects that use Wikidata on that scale? I'm
>> asking because I think Agentschap Informatie Vlaanderen might be really
>> interested in linking their data to Wikidata, and from there to OSM. It
>> helps that it allows for a single datamodel for any country that uses
>> street names. And thus for one single QA tool to keep street names valid
>> anywhere that model is used.
>>
>> 2017-11-22 22:11 GMT+01:00 Jo <winfi...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Urbis released all the data for the Brussels region several years ago,
>>> so it should be possible to use that data like we use CRAB in Flanders.
>>>
>>> My personal preference would be to work with wikidata identifiers for
>>> every street in and around Brussels.
>>>
>>> Polyglot
>>>
>>> 2017-11-22 21:09 GMT+01:00 joost schouppe <joost.schou...@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>> Hi Nadia,
>>>>
>>>> Nice to see you here!
>>>>
>>>> I've played with the idea of unique identifiers for OSM objects myself
>>>> before. But it remains controversial in the international community (not so
>>>> much in Belgium). Here's an article I wrote long long time ago about it.
>>>> It's especially useful for the comments, which outline some of the problems
>>>> with my idea [1].
>>>> Also relevant to get a feel for the issues is when this proposition for
>>>> a global reviews database was discussed. Possibilities for linking were
>>>> investigated, and adding external IDs got quite a bit of headwind.
>>>>
>>>> There has been a discussion about wikidata recently that turned so big
>>>> that I couldn't follow at all. But at least until recently, there seemed to
>>>> be an openness towards adding wikidata unique IDs. I don't know enough
>>>> about it to have a real opinion, but to me it sounds elegant to translate
>>>> an official source of streetnames into wikidata objects, then adding that
>>>> identifier to OSM. Maybe those more versed in Wikidata can explain.
>>>>
>>>> That said, I'm not sure your proposed solution is the most simple
>>>> solution to the problem. Given that streetnames are given by the
>>>> government, in theory there is one and only possible way of writing the
>>>> name. In Flanders, that would be the CRAB name. In the very few cases where
>>>> CRAB is still wrong (or more to the point: the sign in the street says
>>>> something slightly different than what CRAB says), you could have
>>>> name="Name on the Street Sign" and something like name_official="Name in
>>>> CRAB". In that situation, the problem is different: how do make sure all
>>>> the street names are and stay correct in OSM. By coincidence, we are
>>>> actually working towards doing something like that. In the scope

Re: [OSM-talk-be] road completion project

[Ben Abelshausen]

You know I probably agree with most of the 'mapping based on imagery'
remarks! ;-)

It's on our feature request list for maproulette to limit to area and yes
joost has a map with all the differences so you can use that (it's in fact
the background map in maproulette) but the big advantage of maproulette is
the ability to log false-positives. This way we can re-run the comparison
without having the false positives coming back every time.

You can go to the overview of the challenge (what you call 'task', the
collection of all wegenregister cases) by selecting the little 'cogs' on
the top right and then click 'view challenge', then you get all the little
task on one big map. This way you can select tasks  in your area.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 11:10 AM, Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It would be nice if I could find limit the "tasks" to an area I'm
> really familiar with or that I have surveyed. I know Joost has a map
> somewhere that shows the differences.
> But I might easily fix all the problems in my town without leaving the
> computer right now.
> I know this is not how MapRoulette works, but would be nice for this task.
>
> wanted to write something about "mapping based on imagery", but I want
> to keep it decent :-)
>
> m.
>
> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 12:00 PM, Ben Abelshausen
> <ben.abelshau...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Marc,
> >
> > Thanks for the not-so-positive feedback.
> >
> > I'm a bit disappointed by the quality of wegenregister as a comparison
> basis
> > (but I should have known better by now) but I'm still conviced about the
> > general idea. In the beginning we had another subset of the data with
> only
> > what we are relatively sure of coming from wegenregister but we noticed
> that
> > the classifications don't make sense all the time. In the end we took all
> > roads that had a name; at that point we discovered there are a lot of
> > driveways in there with a name (ouwch!).
> >
> > It all comes down to: trying to detect missing stuff in OSM and I think
> > there are some very good examples in the data for example these:
> > http://maproulette.org/map/2789/3111729?
> > http://maproulette.org/map/2789/3108600?
> >
> > We also ask **not to map when not sure**  so if you look at the
> instruction
> > you will see we don't ask to copy the data but to map whatever is
> missing,
> > by the same standards as usual. If that's not possible remotely then
> don't
> > map.
> >
> > We also shouldn't copy the streetnames except when we are sure it's an
> > actual road. And yes sometimes that means a guestimate of what's a
> driveway,
> > but how's that different from what we've been doing all along based on
> > imagery?
> >
> > If anyone else has questions, feel free! Also, don't map when you're not
> > sure! It's better not to have data, compared to having bad useless data.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Ben
> >
> > On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I've tried a couple of "tasks".
> >> I found it pretty hard to fill in the proper road type without being
> >> familiar with the local situation.
> >> The fact that Wegenregister adds a name to each and every long drive
> >> way is not going to help with the OSM data quality.
> >>
> >> So I gave up and went back to processing my surveys.
> >>
> >> m.
> >>
> >> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 9:29 AM, joost schouppe
> >> <joost.schou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi,
> >> >
> >> > Ben and I have been working on "the road completion" project for quite
> >> > some
> >> > time now. The idea is to build a toolchain that harvests any open data
> >> > source on road networks, and turn it into a list of "possibly missing
> >> > roads
> >> > in OSM".
> >> >
> >> > For a project overview, look here:
> >> > http://www.osm.be/2017/01/06/en-project-road-completion.html
> >> >
> >> > Because it should be scalable and easy to adapt, we started with very
> >> > simple
> >> > analysis methods. The idea is to make something simple that is quick
> to
> >> > set
> >> > up and easy to extend. The repository is on Github [1]
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > We started of with Wegenregister, an extensive road dataset for
> >> > Flanders. A
> >> > first selection uses 

Re: [OSM-talk-be] road completion project

[Ben Abelshausen]

Marc,

Thanks for the not-so-positive feedback.

I'm a bit disappointed by the quality of wegenregister as a comparison
basis (but I should have known better by now) but I'm still conviced about
the general idea. In the beginning we had another subset of the data with
only what we are relatively sure of coming from wegenregister but we
noticed that the classifications don't make sense all the time. In the end
we took all roads that had a name; at that point we discovered there are a
lot of driveways in there with a name (ouwch!).

It all comes down to: trying to detect missing stuff in OSM and I think
there are some very good examples in the data for example these:
http://maproulette.org/map/2789/3111729?
http://maproulette.org/map/2789/3108600?

We also ask **not to map when not sure**  so if you look at the instruction
you will see we don't ask to copy the data but to map whatever is missing,
by the same standards as usual. If that's not possible remotely then don't
map.

We also shouldn't copy the streetnames except when we are sure it's an
actual road. And yes sometimes that means a guestimate of what's a
driveway, but how's that different from what we've been doing all along
based on imagery?

If anyone else has questions, feel free! Also, don't map when you're not
sure! It's better not to have data, compared to having bad useless data.

Cheers,
Ben

On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Marc Gemis  wrote:

> I've tried a couple of "tasks".
> I found it pretty hard to fill in the proper road type without being
> familiar with the local situation.
> The fact that Wegenregister adds a name to each and every long drive
> way is not going to help with the OSM data quality.
>
> So I gave up and went back to processing my surveys.
>
> m.
>
> On Tue, Nov 14, 2017 at 9:29 AM, joost schouppe
>  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Ben and I have been working on "the road completion" project for quite
> some
> > time now. The idea is to build a toolchain that harvests any open data
> > source on road networks, and turn it into a list of "possibly missing
> roads
> > in OSM".
> >
> > For a project overview, look here:
> > http://www.osm.be/2017/01/06/en-project-road-completion.html
> >
> > Because it should be scalable and easy to adapt, we started with very
> simple
> > analysis methods. The idea is to make something simple that is quick to
> set
> > up and easy to extend. The repository is on Github [1]
> >
> >
> > We started of with Wegenregister, an extensive road dataset for
> Flanders. A
> > first selection uses only roads that should be easy to map with just GRB
> and
> > aerial imagery. Because feedback is essential (to correct the many
> mistakes
> > in the source data, to fine-tune our processes, to avoid having a road
> seem
> > missing until someone uncritically adds it), we are using Maproulette to
> > coordinate task completion. Instructions are available on the wiki [2]
> >
> >
> > We're presenting this project at the Informatie Vlaanderen Trefdag. It's
> a
> > big thing that we got ourselves invited there at all! [3]
> >
> > If you want to help, start the task, have a look at the Github, improve
> the
> > documentation, find another dataset to use, etc!
> >
> > 1: https://github.com/osmbe/road-completion
> > 2:
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/
> Road_completion_project/Instructions
> > 3: https://overheid.vlaanderen.be/trefdag-informatie-vlaanderen
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Building an Isochronous (SNCB / NMBS) map ?

[Ben Abelshausen]

HI Matthieu,

We also built something similar, not actual isochrones but close:

http://heatmap.anyways.eu/

(just click on any location on the map)

Cheers,

Ben

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 10:14 AM, Pieter Colpaert 
wrote:

> Hi Matthieu,
>
> I did something like this in the past: http://linkedconnections.githu
> b.io/demo/ - It’s not perfect but does is infinitely extensible.
>
> There are other open-source projects, such as Open Trip Planner analytics,
> that can give you this functionality out of the box. If you do not want to
> install all of this yourself, you can also use Navitia:
> https://www.navitia.io/features#isochrons
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Pieter
>
>
>
> On 02-10-17 11:09, Matthieu Gaillet wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I’d like to build isochronous maps for the SNCB/NMBS network in Belgium.
>> The idea is getting a map visually showing the time needed to go to major
>> cities when departing from an arbitrary starting city.
>>
>> There are some public APIs to get the raw timing data itself, but my
>> experience in developing such an app is close to zero. Anybody interested
>> by such project and feeling to collaborate ? Any pointers, examples ? The
>> closest thing I found is that app : http://www.commutometer.com/is
>> okron/37.774929,-122.419416
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] strange styling of waterway=drain + intermittent=yes

[Ben Abelshausen]

Steven,

Look here for example:
https://www.getfilecloud.com/blog/2015/03/tech-tip-how-to-do-hard-refresh-in-browsers/

Met vriendelijke groeten,
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On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 8:15 PM, Steven Clays <steven.cl...@gmail.com> wrote:

> How do you perform a hard refresh?
>
>
> 2017-06-07 15:37 GMT+02:00 Ben Abelshausen <ben.abelshau...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Works here, maybe because I'm not in Belgium...
>>
>>
>> On 7 Jun 2017 12:37, "joost schouppe" <joost.schou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> They are definitely already on this, but I saw something about this being
>> a nastier bug than you would expect. Hard refresh doesn't seem to work
>> anyways.
>>
>> 2017-06-07 12:10 GMT+02:00 Ben Abelshausen <ben.abelshau...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> I think they fixed it already, try hard refresing the map...
>>>
>>> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Ben Abelshausen
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Pieter Brusselman <
>>> pieter.brussel...@tragewegen.be> wrote:
>>>
>>>> wrong link: the map looks like this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#
>>>> map=15/51.1085/3.8704.
>>>>
>>>> Pieter Brusselman
>>>> *Cartografie ~ Projectmedewerker*
>>>>
>>>> [image: (logo boompja)] <http://www.tragewegen.be>
>>>>
>>>> *A* Kasteellaan 349 A, 9000 Gent
>>>> *T* 09 / 331 59 27
>>>> *W *www.tragewegen.be
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> ter info: tot eind juni werk ik niet op donderdag en vrijdag
>>>> Op 7/06/2017 om 11:38 schreef Pieter Brusselman:
>>>>
>>>> According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/
>>>> wiki/Key:intermittent?uselang=nl the waterway=drain + intermittent=yes
>>>> should be styled as a dashed blue line.  But now they look like this:
>>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:intermittent?uselang=nl
>>>>
>>>> It is very confusing to look at such a map.  Does anyone knows what
>>>> happend here?
>>>>
>>>> Grtz,
>>>> Pieter
>>>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] strange styling of waterway=drain + intermittent=yes

[Ben Abelshausen]

Works here, maybe because I'm not in Belgium...

On 7 Jun 2017 12:37, "joost schouppe" <joost.schou...@gmail.com> wrote:

They are definitely already on this, but I saw something about this being a
nastier bug than you would expect. Hard refresh doesn't seem to work
anyways.

2017-06-07 12:10 GMT+02:00 Ben Abelshausen <ben.abelshau...@gmail.com>:

> I think they fixed it already, try hard refresing the map...
>
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
> Best regards,
>
> Ben Abelshausen
>
> On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Pieter Brusselman <
> pieter.brussel...@tragewegen.be> wrote:
>
>> wrong link: the map looks like this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#
>> map=15/51.1085/3.8704.
>>
>> Pieter Brusselman
>> *Cartografie ~ Projectmedewerker*
>>
>> [image: (logo boompja)] <http://www.tragewegen.be>
>>
>> *A* Kasteellaan 349 A, 9000 Gent
>> *T* 09 / 331 59 27
>> *W *www.tragewegen.be
>>
>> [image: logo facebook] <http://www.facebook.com/tragewegen>
>>
>> ter info: tot eind juni werk ik niet op donderdag en vrijdag
>> Op 7/06/2017 om 11:38 schreef Pieter Brusselman:
>>
>> According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:intermittent?uselang=
>> nl the waterway=drain + intermittent=yes should be styled as a dashed
>> blue line.  But now they look like this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/
>> wiki/Key:intermittent?uselang=nl
>>
>> It is very confusing to look at such a map.  Does anyone knows what
>> happend here?
>>
>> Grtz,
>> Pieter
>>
>> --
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>>
>> [image: (logo boompja)] <http://www.tragewegen.be>
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>> *T* 09 / 331 59 27
>> *W *www.tragewegen.be
>>
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>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] strange styling of waterway=drain + intermittent=yes

[Ben Abelshausen]

I think they fixed it already, try hard refresing the map...

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

On Wed, Jun 7, 2017 at 10:46 AM, Pieter Brusselman <
pieter.brussel...@tragewegen.be> wrote:

> wrong link: the map looks like this: http://www.openstreetmap.org/#
> map=15/51.1085/3.8704.
>
> Pieter Brusselman
> *Cartografie ~ Projectmedewerker*
>
> [image: (logo boompja)] <http://www.tragewegen.be>
>
> *A* Kasteellaan 349 A, 9000 Gent
> *T* 09 / 331 59 27
> *W *www.tragewegen.be
>
> [image: logo facebook] <http://www.facebook.com/tragewegen>
>
> ter info: tot eind juni werk ik niet op donderdag en vrijdag
> Op 7/06/2017 om 11:38 schreef Pieter Brusselman:
>
> According to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:intermittent?uselang=
> nl the waterway=drain + intermittent=yes should be styled as a dashed
> blue line.  But now they look like this: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/
> wiki/Key:intermittent?uselang=nl
>
> It is very confusing to look at such a map.  Does anyone knows what
> happend here?
>
> Grtz,
> Pieter
>
> --
>
> Pieter Brusselman
> *Cartografie ~ Projectmedewerker*
>
> [image: (logo boompja)] <http://www.tragewegen.be>
>
> *A* Kasteellaan 349 A, 9000 Gent
> *T* 09 / 331 59 27
> *W *www.tragewegen.be
>
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>
> ter info: tot eind juni werk ik niet op donderdag en vrijdag
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Tagging of schools/college

[Ben Abelshausen]

I think as non-english speakers we should not look at the meaning of the
words in the tags in Dutch or French, just what they mean in native english
and try to define english words that mean what we want to say. If we can't
then it's time to make up our own tags.

This way we maximise reuse over country/language borders and we can still
tag our own schools as they are structured here.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

On Fri, Jun 2, 2017 at 10:59 AM, joost schouppe <joost.schou...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
>> > Therefore, in my opinion, using the tag "amenity=college" for secondary
>> > schools (as in "secundair onderwijs", "école secondaire") is a bad idea,
>> > even though in dutch it can be called a "college".
>>
>> That is what I was planning to do after consulting this mailing list
>> and having enough people backing it up.
>> I'm even willing to keep the line there and add (in The Netherlands)
>> and another line to ask to use "school" in Belgium.
>> I guess I already have a "bad" name in The Netherlands to interfere
>> too much, so I won't change their mapping rules.
>>
>> The French use school:FR to indicate collège, lycée, etc. I like that
>> idea, and think it might be even useful to have something like that in
>> other contexts as well (e.g. for pubs/restaurants/...)
>>
>>
> The OSM definition of an amenity=school is what defines which objects need
> that tag, not what happens to be your local daily use of the word "school"
> in spoken language. OSM can never work if people use a tag as nothing but a
> word that sounds logical. That seems so obvious to me that I'm afraid I'm
> missing the point.
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[OSM-talk-be] Open summer of code 2017 - OSM related projects

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi all,

Below is a message from Open Knowledge Belgium inviting students in our
community to participate in our open summer of code program this year.
There are 2 OSM related projects, please consider participating, we need
you! :-)

Dear students of the OSM community,

Is there any of you who would like to work on an OSM-project this summer
(and get paid for it)? Then open Summer of code is something for you! Open
Summer of code is an intensive summer programme of four weeks in July,
where students with different backgrounds (IT, design, communications and
business) have the chance to work together on challenging open innovation
projects. This year there will be a specific project related to
OpenStreetMap.

Not only do you receive training and support from experts in the field, but
you are also constantly assisted by an experienced coach. At the end of the
month, the different teams present their product or service to their client.

Does this sound like your cup of tea? Check out our website
 for more information and apply
 for this programme.

Best of luck and see you then!

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Survey-article / Belgian OSM website

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi Marc,

Feel free to add your website-wishlist items here, some of us work on this
when we have time:

https://github.com/osmbe/website/issues

Let's think specifically about the technical articles idea, but it's
difficult enough keeping the website up-to-date as it is. I feel reluctant
to add features without someone absolutely commited to keeping the
information up-to-date. A blog is generic and can be anything, events,
articles, news, etc. and thus easier to keep going.

We can definetly feature new posts somewhere on the landing page!

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 12:41 PM, Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com> wrote:

> To be honest, I was hoping there would be a spot for some more
> technical articles as well.
>
> So I would like to see
>
> Projects: describing the things we do , targeted towards new users
> News: really news: mapathons, mapping parties, new  apps, etc.
> Blogs: Mapper of the month, (and perhaps more technical articles as
> well, otherwise those have to go on diaries on osm.org)
>
> A "what is new section" would be nice to highlight articles that were
> added the last ... days. Automatically populated.
> An "index section" and/or search, especially for the blogs part.
> Projects should fit on one page anyway :-)
>
> m.
>
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 12:02 PM, Ben Abelshausen
> <ben.abelshau...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > I wouldn't make things too complicated on the website, my point was that
> I
> > see the OSM.be website more as a communication channel between community
> and
> > outside world, not as an inter-community communication tool, we have a
> lot
> > of those already, wiki, diary posts and this list. The website should be
> a
> > portal to get people in belgium interested in OSM, to communicate about
> OSM
> > activities in belgium (to both our own community members but also
> > newcomers).
> >
> > Again, my point of view, we can discuss... ;-)
> >
> > Met vriendelijke groeten,
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Ben Abelshausen
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:50 AM, joost schouppe <
> joost.schou...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I see this particular page as a sub-page of the Heritage Mapping
> Project.
> >> But it could also be part of a "Go out and map" project.
> >> The Mapper of the Month posts could also be seen as a sub-page for the
> >> Mapper of the Month project.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure where these sub-pages should live though.
> >>
> >> 2017-04-24 11:29 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com>:
> >>>
> >>> With diary post, you mean diaries on osm.org ? Or are you describing
> >>> the differences between Projects and News ?
> >>>
> >>> Along the same lines: is an interview with a mapper really news ? Or
> >>> do we need a third type: "Blog posts" aka diaries or ... ?
> >>>
> >>> m.
> >>>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Ben Abelshausen
> >>> <ben.abelshau...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> > Hi Marc,
> >>> >
> >>> > I think these are very nice things to put on the website! The only
> >>> > difference I see with for example a diary post is that OSM.be also
> >>> > tries to
> >>> > be a recruiting tool and that communication is a bit different.
> >>> >
> >>> > I would write short articles about a very specific activity we do, in
> >>> > this
> >>> > case for example, I would shorten the article to an overview of what
> >>> > you do
> >>> > and we can showcase how we (some of us) survey, to get people
> >>> > interested,
> >>> > and use the diary to share specific technologies/ways of doing things
> >>> > with
> >>> > the general OSM community. No problem linking to more details in the
> >>> > blog on
> >>> > OSM.be
> >>> >
> >>> > Those are just my thoughts on what we should do on OSM.be vs all the
> >>> > other
> >>> > communication channels we already have, feel free to comment! :-)
> >>> >
> >>> > Also: a series on what to map would be great but not sure how this
> >>> > would
> >>> > work. I was also planning on writing about some of the talks I gave
> >>> > about
> >>> > OSM last month, one of them was about mapping 'public space' and I
> used
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Survey-article / Belgian OSM website

[Ben Abelshausen]

I wouldn't make things too complicated on the website, my point was that I
see the OSM.be website more as a communication channel between community
and outside world, not as an inter-community communication tool, we have a
lot of those already, wiki, diary posts and this list. The website should
be a portal to get people in belgium interested in OSM, to communicate
about OSM activities in belgium (to both our own community members but also
newcomers).

Again, my point of view, we can discuss... ;-)

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:50 AM, joost schouppe <joost.schou...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I see this particular page as a sub-page of the Heritage Mapping Project.
> But it could also be part of a "Go out and map" project.
> The Mapper of the Month posts could also be seen as a sub-page for the
> Mapper of the Month project.
>
> I'm not sure where these sub-pages should live though.
>
> 2017-04-24 11:29 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com>:
>
>> With diary post, you mean diaries on osm.org ? Or are you describing
>> the differences between Projects and News ?
>>
>> Along the same lines: is an interview with a mapper really news ? Or
>> do we need a third type: "Blog posts" aka diaries or ... ?
>>
>> m.
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Ben Abelshausen
>> <ben.abelshau...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Hi Marc,
>> >
>> > I think these are very nice things to put on the website! The only
>> > difference I see with for example a diary post is that OSM.be also
>> tries to
>> > be a recruiting tool and that communication is a bit different.
>> >
>> > I would write short articles about a very specific activity we do, in
>> this
>> > case for example, I would shorten the article to an overview of what
>> you do
>> > and we can showcase how we (some of us) survey, to get people
>> interested,
>> > and use the diary to share specific technologies/ways of doing things
>> with
>> > the general OSM community. No problem linking to more details in the
>> blog on
>> > OSM.be
>> >
>> > Those are just my thoughts on what we should do on OSM.be vs all the
>> other
>> > communication channels we already have, feel free to comment! :-)
>> >
>> > Also: a series on what to map would be great but not sure how this would
>> > work. I was also planning on writing about some of the talks I gave
>> about
>> > OSM last month, one of them was about mapping 'public space' and I used
>> the
>> > example of the statues in middelheim park! ;-)
>> >
>> > Met vriendelijke groeten,
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > Ben Abelshausen
>> >
>> > On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hallo,
>> >>
>> >> yesterday evening I posted an article on how I prepare and make my
>> >> surveys. You can find it on the osm.be website at
>> >> http://www.osm.be/2017/04/21/en-post-survey.html . It's in English.
>> >> Feel free to translate it in Dutch and French.
>> >>
>> >> I am wondering whether it would be interesting to write a series of
>> >> articles on "what to map". I'm thinking about lesser known topics such
>> >> as destinations, minor power lines, sluice gates, fire hydrants. Each
>> >> article should give some information how you can document it during
>> >> the surveys, how to add it in 1 or more editors, some maps or apps
>> >> where you can see the result.
>> >>
>> >> What do think ? Do you want to read such articles ? Do you want to
>> >> write such articles yourself ? Review stuff that I write before it
>> >> goes online ? Translate them ?
>> >> Have an idea for a topic ?
>> >>
>> >> Let's make the osm.be website more interesting.
>> >>
>> >> regards
>> >>
>> >> m.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Survey-article / Belgian OSM website

[Ben Abelshausen]

I mean the diaries on osm.org yes... ;-)

I have always seen Mapper of the month as a perfect fit here, it showcases
what we do, that most of us are 'regular' people (I mean, not all of use
are GIS professionals or software developers). It also helps the mappers
being interviewed to tell others about their work and we show our
appreciation and respect for what they do.

We can always change the menu's on the website to say 'Blog' or something!
;-)

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Ben Abelshausen

On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 11:29 AM, Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com> wrote:

> With diary post, you mean diaries on osm.org ? Or are you describing
> the differences between Projects and News ?
>
> Along the same lines: is an interview with a mapper really news ? Or
> do we need a third type: "Blog posts" aka diaries or ... ?
>
> m.
>
> On Mon, Apr 24, 2017 at 10:59 AM, Ben Abelshausen
> <ben.abelshau...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi Marc,
> >
> > I think these are very nice things to put on the website! The only
> > difference I see with for example a diary post is that OSM.be also tries
> to
> > be a recruiting tool and that communication is a bit different.
> >
> > I would write short articles about a very specific activity we do, in
> this
> > case for example, I would shorten the article to an overview of what you
> do
> > and we can showcase how we (some of us) survey, to get people interested,
> > and use the diary to share specific technologies/ways of doing things
> with
> > the general OSM community. No problem linking to more details in the
> blog on
> > OSM.be
> >
> > Those are just my thoughts on what we should do on OSM.be vs all the
> other
> > communication channels we already have, feel free to comment! :-)
> >
> > Also: a series on what to map would be great but not sure how this would
> > work. I was also planning on writing about some of the talks I gave about
> > OSM last month, one of them was about mapping 'public space' and I used
> the
> > example of the statues in middelheim park! ;-)
> >
> > Met vriendelijke groeten,
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Ben Abelshausen
> >
> > On Sat, Apr 22, 2017 at 8:38 AM, Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hallo,
> >>
> >> yesterday evening I posted an article on how I prepare and make my
> >> surveys. You can find it on the osm.be website at
> >> http://www.osm.be/2017/04/21/en-post-survey.html . It's in English.
> >> Feel free to translate it in Dutch and French.
> >>
> >> I am wondering whether it would be interesting to write a series of
> >> articles on "what to map". I'm thinking about lesser known topics such
> >> as destinations, minor power lines, sluice gates, fire hydrants. Each
> >> article should give some information how you can document it during
> >> the surveys, how to add it in 1 or more editors, some maps or apps
> >> where you can see the result.
> >>
> >> What do think ? Do you want to read such articles ? Do you want to
> >> write such articles yourself ? Review stuff that I write before it
> >> goes online ? Translate them ?
> >> Have an idea for a topic ?
> >>
> >> Let's make the osm.be website more interesting.
> >>
> >> regards
> >>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] persbericht Stad Gent

[Ben Abelshausen]

Dag Seppe,

Bedank je collega's ook voor de communicatie. Ze hebben het misschien niet
helemaal juist en OSM is idd geen app (haha) maar het concept is dan ook
niet altijd eenvoudig uit te leggen... :)

Voor een app verwijs je best naar OSMAND of maps.me. Die app onder de link
is niet echt nuttig... het is ook niet toegelaten om zomaar de naam
OpenStreetMap te gebruiken als naam voor een app.

Anyway, meestal worden we niet eens vermeld dus ik bekijk het eerder
positief ;)

Cheers,

Ben

On 15 Apr 2017 4:11 p.m., "Santens Seppe"  wrote:

> FYI (in Dutch)
>
>
>
> *Van:* Santens Seppe
> *Verzonden:* zaterdag 15 april 2017 16:07
> *Aan:* …
> *Onderwerp:* RE: …
>
>
>
> Collega’s,
>
>
>
> Ik zie dat er een tekst is gepubliceerd over het updaten van kaarten:
> https://stad.gent/mobiliteitsplan/nieuws-evenementen//help-mee-om-
> digitale-kaarten-te-updaten
> 
> (kan iemand trouwens eens iets doen aan die dubbele slash?, die zorgt bij
> mij vaak voor problemen met nieuwsberichten)
>
>
>
> Ik vind de tekst eerlijk gezegd niet zo sterk. Enkele suggesties:
>
> ·OpenStreetMap (zonder spaties, met hoofdletters, afgekort OSM)
> is geen applicatie. Het is in essentie een open dataset die volledig steunt
> op crowdsourcing (zie https://www.openstreetmap.org/about voor meer
> uitleg). Al wie de open licentie respecteert, mag gebruik maken van de data
> voor het bouwen van kaarten, websites, apps,… Zo is bijv. Osmand een
> veelgebruikte app voor Android die navigatie aanbiedt op basis van de OSM.
> Osmand was circulatieplan-proof op 3 april. Andere apps zoals bijv. Maps.me
> maken ook gebruik van OSM-data, maar zijn nog niet up-to-date (ze hebben de
> laatste wijzigingen in de OSM database dus nog niet opgepikt). De app
> waarnaar verwezen wordt in het artikel ken ik niet, het is alleszins geen
> “officiële” OpenStreetMap-app. Afhankelijk van welke applicatie je gebruikt
> (of zelf bouwt), heb je meer of minder informatie beschikbaar. Maar het is
> dus geen “one-size-fits-all” applicatie, meer een ecosysteem waar honderden
> applicaties op steunen, zie bijv. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/
> wiki/Android en http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Apple_iOS. Ook de
> informatie over hoe je kan bijdragen tot OSM is gecrowdsourcet:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NL:Beginnershandleiding
>
> ·De “OpenStreetMap België) community reageert doorgaans erg snel
> op de vraag om een tekst te reviewen, je kan ze bereiken via hun mailing
> list, via twitter, facebook,… of gewoon door enkele sleutelpersonen aan te
> schrijven.
>
> ·Ik snap de verwijzing naar Localyse eerlijk gezegd niet. Die
> mannen hebben fake news verspreid, reageren niet op publieke opmerkingen
> hierover en ze zijn er allesbehalve in geslaagd om Google Maps up-to-date
> te zetten…
>
>
>
>
>
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] talk: "responding to vandalism"

[Ben Abelshausen]

This is an excellent idea, perhaps we should discuss this the next hackday?
Or can someone try and set this up for Belgium?

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

On Sun, Mar 19, 2017 at 6:07 PM, joost schouppe <joost.schou...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> There is an interesting thread going on in the talk mailing list:
>
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2017-March/077672.html
>
> It started of with some complaining about vandalism, but it got
> interesting when Thomas Straupis started explaining how they work in
> Lithaunia. Basically, ALL changesets are validated. But changesets by
> "known mappers" are automatically approved, and some changesets are
> highlighted because they are marked by other tools as "suspicious".
> (this is the same Thomas I interviewed recently about their dataconflation
> strategies: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/joost%20schouppe/diary/40605
> )
>
> With Zors already checking all new mappers' changesets using the welcome
> tool (thank you!), it might be interesting to see if we can expand on that
> here too.
>
> Here's some practical stuff from his e-mail:
>
> > Is your process documented anywhere and is the code available?
>
>   There is a "help" page, but it is in Lithuanian... Maybe google
> translate can help:
>   http://patrulis.openmap.lt/pagalba.html
>
>   Code (php+postgresql) is very basic and dirty (i'm not a web
> developer) and I didn't have time to put it on github yet (planning to
> do that for a year or so...). But code is also full of Lithuanian
> comments and names...
>
>   If somebody wants to have a look at it - I can share/send the code
> and give any information required in English.
>
> P.S. This patrolling stuff is integrated with QA tools (fetching a
> list of errors from keepright, osmose as well as doing local error
> checking) and data synchronisation tools. So "all in one" solution.
> You get a list of unapproved changes, a list of not yet fixed errors
> and a status of synchronisation of different items.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Traffic jam historical Open data ?

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi,

This is one of the big missing links in open-data when using OSM for
routing and traffic analysis, historical travel times. There was some data
released by BeMobile during the dynacity project a while back but that was
only for Ghent. I don't think we will see an open data source for this in
short term because it's not collected by the government, it's expensive to
collect, and it gives companies a competive advantage. There are some
companies that realized that pooling their resources is the only way to fix
this, that lead to this project:

http://opentraffic.io/

I think they will be starting to release something this year but I don't
know how much data what coverage they will have or if they will cover data
going back in time.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

On Mon, Mar 6, 2017 at 8:50 PM, <mgwebm...@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>
> Yeah sure, welcome in the belgian imbroglio :-( Anyway, I’m especially
> interested in Brussels, guess why :-)
>
> Nevertheless there are sources at the federal level - not open though.
>
> > On 06 Mar 2017, at 19:31, Wannes Soenen <wanne...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Problem is traffic is a regional regulation. You'd need a flemish,
> walloon and brussels source
> >
> >
> > On 6 mrt. 2017 19:02 +0100, Matthieu Gaillet <mgwebm...@fastmail.fm>,
> wrote:
> >> Hey open data specialists,
> >>
> >> Not exactly osm-related, but does anyone know a Belgian source of open
> data regarding traffic jams in Belgium ? I'm looking for historical data
> (like how many kilometre jams in a given region at a given time)
> >>
> >> Thanks for helping,
> >>
> >> Matthieu G. (en mode mobile)
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[OSM-talk-be] Fwd: [iRail] Job positions in open data not being filled in

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi,

Anyone here who can help Pieter?

Cheers,

Ben

-- Forwarded message --
From: Pieter Colpaert 
Date: Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 12:00 PM
Subject: [iRail] Job positions in open data not being filled in
To: iRail list 


Hi all,

I have 2 open positions at imec to work on open data:
 * https://www.iminds.be/en/about-us/jobs/jobs-overview/open-
data-researcher-smart-flanders
 * https://www.iminds.be/en/about-us/jobs/jobs-overview/vacancy
-for-big-andtransport-data-projects

I also see that MIVB-STIB has an open position to work on the Open Data
Platform:
 * https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/257410408/

It’s currently very hard to find people willing to work on Open Data
publishing for a living. Any ideas how to find the right people? Is there
anyone in your network that might be trained to work on Open Data?

Kind regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] car sharing

[Ben Abelshausen]

The first location I look at, we are cambio users, is at least 40 meters
away from the actual location so let's be carefull.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 12:01 PM, Ben Abelshausen <ben.abelshau...@gmail.com
> wrote:

> Hmm, ok not so small dataset, agreed on the ref tags:
>
> http://geojson.io/#id=gist:anonymous/6c3fd08c2ff203ee3d15595060337b
> ca=8/50.194/4.590
>
> So let's start an 'import' page...
>
> Met vriendelijke groeten,
> Best regards,
>
> Ben Abelshausen
>
> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Michaël Dierick <mich...@dierick.io>
> wrote:
>
>> May I suggest including the cambio reference-id ("ref="-tag) when
>> importing these locations. This will make updating in the future easier.
>> The id's can be found at the end of the station-URL ("Link"-attribute in
>> the dataset).
>>
>> Michaël
>> On 02/24/2017 11:43 AM, joost schouppe wrote:
>>
>> So the next step would be making a Wiki page for an import proposal, i
>> think
>>
>> 2017-02-24 10:50 GMT+01:00 Ben Abelshausen <ben.abelshau...@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Seppe,
>>>
>>> No, don't need to know more... this is fine! Thanks! ;-)
>>>
>>> I can see it now at the bottom of the page...
>>>
>>> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>>> Best regards,
>>>
>>> Ben Abelshausen
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 10:19 AM, <mgwebm...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I did a fast check regarding Brussels City (lot of changes since the
>>>> “piétonnier” and I confirm this dataset is better than ours.
>>>>
>>>> > On 24 Feb 2017, at 08:44, joost schouppe <joost.schou...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > I did a few quick checks of the data quality of the Cambio data, and
>>>> it looks like it is possibly better than our own data (where we have it).
>>>> >
>>>> > Of course, still the need for a proper conflation.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] car sharing

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hmm, ok not so small dataset, agreed on the ref tags:

http://geojson.io/#id=gist:anonymous/6c3fd08c2ff203ee3d15595060337bca=8/50.194/4.590

So let's start an 'import' page...

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:52 AM, Michaël Dierick <mich...@dierick.io>
wrote:

> May I suggest including the cambio reference-id ("ref="-tag) when
> importing these locations. This will make updating in the future easier.
> The id's can be found at the end of the station-URL ("Link"-attribute in
> the dataset).
>
> Michaël
> On 02/24/2017 11:43 AM, joost schouppe wrote:
>
> So the next step would be making a Wiki page for an import proposal, i
> think
>
> 2017-02-24 10:50 GMT+01:00 Ben Abelshausen <ben.abelshau...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Seppe,
>>
>> No, don't need to know more... this is fine! Thanks! ;-)
>>
>> I can see it now at the bottom of the page...
>>
>> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Ben Abelshausen
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 10:19 AM, <mgwebm...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I did a fast check regarding Brussels City (lot of changes since the
>>> “piétonnier” and I confirm this dataset is better than ours.
>>>
>>> > On 24 Feb 2017, at 08:44, joost schouppe <joost.schou...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I did a few quick checks of the data quality of the Cambio data, and
>>> it looks like it is possibly better than our own data (where we have it).
>>> >
>>> > Of course, still the need for a proper conflation.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] car sharing

[Ben Abelshausen]

Ah no, that's too much work for such a small dataset, how many locations
are we talking about?

Met vriendelijke groeten,
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Ben Abelshausen

On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 11:43 AM, joost schouppe <joost.schou...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> So the next step would be making a Wiki page for an import proposal, i
> think
>
> 2017-02-24 10:50 GMT+01:00 Ben Abelshausen <ben.abelshau...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Seppe,
>>
>> No, don't need to know more... this is fine! Thanks! ;-)
>>
>> I can see it now at the bottom of the page...
>>
>> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Ben Abelshausen
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 24, 2017 at 10:19 AM, <mgwebm...@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I did a fast check regarding Brussels City (lot of changes since the
>>> “piétonnier” and I confirm this dataset is better than ours.
>>>
>>> > On 24 Feb 2017, at 08:44, joost schouppe <joost.schou...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > I did a few quick checks of the data quality of the Cambio data, and
>>> it looks like it is possibly better than our own data (where we have it).
>>> >
>>> > Of course, still the need for a proper conflation.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] car sharing

[Ben Abelshausen]

Seppe,

No, don't need to know more... this is fine! Thanks! ;-)

I can see it now at the bottom of the page...

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

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>
> I did a fast check regarding Brussels City (lot of changes since the
> “piétonnier” and I confirm this dataset is better than ours.
>
> > On 24 Feb 2017, at 08:44, joost schouppe <joost.schou...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > I did a few quick checks of the data quality of the Cambio data, and it
> looks like it is possibly better than our own data (where we have it).
> >
> > Of course, still the need for a proper conflation.
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] car sharing

[Ben Abelshausen]

Seppe,

The only issue in OSM is the attribution requirement, meaning we can't
quote the city of Ghent in every application that uses OSM. That however
was fixed with the flemish open data license by adding attribution on the
OSM wiki by adding them to this page:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#Belgium

We would need clarification if that is enough to meet the attribution
requirement in this license. Why btw does the city use yet another license
and not one of the many many licenses out there? :-) You can see in this
case that it's not enough to quote equivalence to other licenses.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

On Thu, Feb 23, 2017 at 11:18 AM, Santens Seppe <seppe.sant...@stad.gent>
wrote:

> On the topic of car sharing: on the data portal of the City of Ghent (the
> organization I work for), there is a dataset with all Cambio locations (not
> only the ones in Ghent): https://data.stad.gent/
> datasets/standplaatsen-cambio No doubt this could be a great extra help
> to improve OSM (of course not without verification in the field or via
> Mapillary/OSC).
>
>
>
> Could anyone with more legal affinity than me figure out whether the
> “Algemene licentie” (https://data.stad.gent/algemene-licentie - Dutch) is
> compatible with ODbL?
>
>
>
> data.stad.gent contains other datasets that – in my opinion – could be
> very interesting for OSM (and in the ideal world vice versa). Have a look
> at: https://data.stad.gent/datasets?geo=2
>
>
>
> Seppe
>
>
>
> *Van:* joost schouppe [mailto:joost.schou...@gmail.com]
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 9 februari 2017 13:47
> *Aan:* OpenStreetMap Belgium
> *Onderwerp:* [OSM-talk-be] car sharing
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Here's another example of a Mapcontrib website, this time for car sharing:
>
>
>
> https://www.mapcontrib.xyz/t/27b3df-Car_sharing_locations
>
>
>
> Hit the smiley-face to connect your OSM account, and you can complete
> tagging or add POIs. I created two presets, for Cambio and Partago, so
> everyone can easily standardise tagging. If someone is interested to
> complete documentation for Belgian operators (including fun stuff like
> wikidata tags etc), then I'm willing to add all of them as presets.
>
> (unfortunately it's still impossible to share mapcontrib instance
> management)
>
>
>
> I really feel like we could do some cool stuff with Mapcontrib, to get
> many more people to contribute random POIs. It's even possible to edit ways
> or relations too, so you could make a mapcontrib instance to collect road
> surface or speed information.
>
>
>
> Think of our maxpseed 90>70 problem in Flanders.
>
>
>
> These examples are made with cached (updated daily) overpass queries, but
> you can also import other data into mapcontrib and use that for mapping.
>
>
>
> I'll gladly give an intro to mapcontrib at the next Brussels and Antwerp
> meetups.
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: present OpenStreetMap at BEGeo (OSGeo track)

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi Johan,

I can do that... sign me up!

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

On Mon, Jan 30, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Johan Van de Wauw <
johan.vandew...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello everyone,
>
> OSGeo.be will have a track at the next BeGeo conference (march 16)
> [1]. For those who do not know it: it is the largest "geospatial"
> conference in Belgium with about 2000 participants.
>
> We think it would be a good idea to have a presentation on
> OpenStreetMap as well. Is someone from the OSM Belgium community
> available for doing such a presentation?
>
> Please reply asap, as we want to finalise the program this week.
>
> Kind Regards,
> Johan
>
> [1] http://www.begeo.be/
>
> On Thu, Jan 26, 2017 at 7:20 AM, Dirk Frigne <dirk.fri...@geosparc.com>
> wrote:
> > Dear list,
> >
> > Gentle reminder to update the agenda of the BeGeo track.
> > I have to provide the temporary track to the BeGeo organizing comittee.
> > I will send this version, but we should try to finalize the agenda
> > before Februari, 9 when the program come's on-line
> >
> > https://docs.google.com/document/d/18hpQWWeNLNOCxbxJR9HeNaeUptdOo
> Nkxs4APq3U6hHM/edit#
> >
> > Dirk
> >
> > On 20-01-17 14:28, Dirk Frigne wrote:
> >> Dear list,
> >>
> >> OSGeo.be has the opportunity to oranise a 2.5 hour site track on the
> >> BeGeo conference. Last year during the first edition, there were > 1200
> >> visitors. This years there is a maximum of 2000 visitors in the Tour &
> >> Taxis environment in Brussels.
> >>
> >> I attended the meeting of behalf of OSGeo.be for the preparation of
> >> BeGeo 2017. More info on following link:
> >> http://www.begeo.be/?knews=readEmail=6=16686=4
> >>
> >> Date: March 16, 2017.
> >>
> >> As OSGeo.be we engaged us to fill a track during the day. 2.5 hours in
> >> total of content.
> >> The idea is to promote open source, open data, OSGeo and a couple of
> >> OSGeo projects.
> >>
> >> Next step is to prepare the programme. I have already some content, and
> >> a preliminary schema, but I still need some additional content, and
> >> volunteers who want to present the content. This is a great event to
> >> promote OSGeo to a more broad audience. We expect between 1000 and 2000
> >> visitors.
> >>
> >> The website with the program should be ready begin of february, so here
> >> is my first draft.
> >> Please update me with new content, or you can even volunteer to help me
> >> drafting the content.
> >>
> >> There are 4 blocks of content. 2 times 45 minutes, and 2 times half an
> hour.
> >> In total we have room for 10 presentations of 15 minutes.
> >> It should be good to have an alternative, if a speaker doesn’t show up,
> >> to fill an empty slot.
> >>
> >> Block 1: 11:45 - 12:303 presentations of 15 minutes
> >> Block 2: 12:30 - 13:002 presentations of 15 minutes
> >> Block 3: 14:00 - 14:453 presentations of 15 minutes
> >> Block 4: 14:45 - 15:152 presentations of 15 minutes
> >>
> >> I prepared an example of a schema[1] that we could present, but I need
> >> some volunteers to realise this event. The aim is to have Dutch and
> >> French presentations. PLease send me a mail if you want to help out.
> >> I already added some confirmed talks, and some idea's of talks to the
> >> schedule. We still have to find the speakers for a couple of these
> talks.
> >>
> >> Deadline is end of the weekend. Then we have to send this out. Will be
> >> published february, 9 2017 on the beGoe website.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> [1]
> >> https://docs.google.com/document/d/18hpQWWeNLNOCxbxJR9HeNaeUptdOo
> Nkxs4APq3U6hHM/edit#
> >>
> >> PS.
> >>
> >> I also have to send some information about our track to the organisers
> >> to publish on the website: (in dutch)
> >> Please help me to improve the summary. Published in the same document
> [1]
> >>
> >> - Een mooie en aansprekende titel:  Oplossingen gebaseerd op Open Source
> >> voor het Geodomein - OSGeo helpt je op weg
> >> - De inleider(s) en de organisatie(s):  Johan Van de Wauw - presedent
> >> OSGeo.be
> >> Foto(s) van de inleiders: Johan, can you provide a photo?
> >> Linkedin pagina van de inleider of als ze die niet hebben een korte
> >> biografie: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johanvdw

[OSM-talk-be] OSM-BE website & membership

[Ben Abelshausen]

Dag allen,
Bonjour à tous,

NL:

Voor 2017 hebben we grootse plannen met OSM-België. We hebben ondertussen
een nieuwe website (http:// www.osm.be/
), en ons doel is duidelijk; het verder ondersteunen
van de mapping community in België!

Om bepaalde projecten te kunnen blijven doen, bijvoorbeeld onze website
maar ook hackdays, mapping parties & missing maps, zullen we onszelf wat
beter moeten organiseren. Om dit te kunnen realiseren moeten we eerst en
vooral onze organisatie wat meer formaliseren en beter communiceren over
wat we doen. We zijn hiermee al begonnen met de nieuwe website, maar een
eerste belangrijke stap in dit proces is een basis ledenbestand opbouwen.

We zouden dus willen vragen lid te worden van OSM-België. Dit is belangrijk
omdat je dan kan mee beslissen over de richting die we moeten uitgaan, kan
meebeslissen wie er bestuurder moet zijn enzovoort. Zonder leden staan we
nergens.

Verder kunnen we hierdoor later ook sponsors proberen aantrekken, meedoen
aan 'Summer of Code' om bepaalde tools uit te bouwen of we kunnen een local
chapter worden van het OSMF zodat we ook daar een stem hebben.

Je inschrijven kan hier, doen dus!

http://www.osm.be/nl/signup.html

FR:

Pour 2017, nous avons des grands projets pour OpenStreetMap Belgique. Nous
avons à présent un nouveau site internet (http://www.osm.be/) et notre but
est clair : soutenir d'avantage la communauté "cartographique" en Belgique.

Afin de pouvoir continuer certains projets, comme notre site web, des
"hackdays" et mapathons, nous devons mieux nous organiser. Pour cela, nous
devons en premier plus formaliser notre organisation et mieux communiquer
sur ce que nous faisons. Le nouveau site web est un début, mais une
première étape importante dans ce processus est une adhésion de base.

Nous voudrions donc vous demander de rejoindre OSM-BE en tant que membre.
C'est important car vous pourrez décider la direction que nous devrions
prendre, choisir les responsables, etc. Sans membres, nous ne sommes nulle
part...

En outre, après un peu de temps nous pouvons aussi essayer d'attirer des
sponsors, participer au "Summer of Code" pour y construire des outils
spécifiques ou encore essayer de devenir un chapitre local de l'OSM
Foundation de manière à y avoir aussi une voix.

Il ne vous reste donc plus qu'à vous inscrire !

http://www.osm.be/ f
r 
/signup.htm l


Cordialement,
Groeten,

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] brandweer, Turnhout

[Ben Abelshausen]

Ik wil misschien wel...

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

2017-01-17 16:14 GMT+01:00 joost schouppe <joost.schou...@gmail.com>:

> Hoi,
>
> Iemand die tijd heeft om met iemand van de brandweer te gaan babbelen over
> OSM, in het Turnhoutse?
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] GRB hackday december 11th

[Ben Abelshausen]

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 3:46 PM, Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com> wrote:

> You do not have this problem when you have to draw each house
> yourself, (although in the end you might be just drawing squares
> instead of detailed houses.)
>

I completely agree with you, I'm not even sure if we should do an import.
For me it would be enough to just trace from imagery and perhaps in dense
cities from GRB but I don't think the majority of people agrees...

I'm pimarily involved to try and make sure the unevitable import is done
properly.

Anyway, in my opinion procedures, limited access, checks and training can
reduce the risk of something going terribly wrong. Will that prevent all
possible mistakes, no, but not thinking about how to do this is worse. We
can't prevent people from doing this on their own anyway...

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] GRB hackday december 11th

[Ben Abelshausen]

On Thu, Dec 15, 2016 at 12:30 PM, Jo <winfi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Maybe we should also foresee procedures for cases where it's obvious
> people take the data and just 'run with it'? If needed we shouldn't
> hesitate to revert changesets. Who's going to follow up on that though?
> reverts should ideally happen as quickly as possible.


Didn't we agree we would only allow a limited number of people access to
the tool and the converted data? To prevent exactly this kind of thing from
happening...

If I remember correctly the requirement was to make your OSM username known
and follow at least a google hangout session about the procedure to follow.
So a minimum requirement would be to have had contact in person or via
hangout with one of us?

That being said, I agree we should not be afraid to revert changesets with
improperly imported data.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] GRB hackday december 11th

[Ben Abelshausen]

We are working on a blogpost... :-)

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

On Tue, Dec 13, 2016 at 1:54 PM, Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Any chance we see a list of accomplishments somewhere ?
>
> regards
>
> m
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Evolta - OSM license violation

[Ben Abelshausen]

Als jullie dit ECHT belangrijk vinden, we kunnen ook via mapbox gaan, ze
hebben duidelijk een abonnement maar doen geen attribution...

Zeker dat er ergens in de TOS van mapbox staat dat dit niet mag.

Maar ik zou het gewoon zo laten als ze weer niet antwoorden... gaan we niks
mee bereiken.

We kunnen beter wat bedrijven OSM be proberen laten sponsoren... ;-)

Cheers,

Ben

On 17 Nov 2016 13:23, "joost schouppe" <joost.schou...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ik heb nu dit gestuurd (met Ben zijn opmerking geïntegreerd):
>
> "We hebben bij OpenStreetMap België gemerkt dat u op uw eigen website en
> die van uw klanten OpenStreetMap als achtergrondkaart gebruikt. We vinden
> het natuurlijk geweldig dat jullie ons werk hergebruiken, daarom doen we
> dit uiteindelijk ook!
>
> Jammer is wel dat de verwijzing naar OpenStreetMap ontbreekt. Dat is niet
> alleen verplicht [1], maar op die manier dragen jullie ook bij aan betere
> kaarten. Hoe meer mensen het project kennen, hoe meer bijdragers. En dus
> hoe beter de kwaliteit.
>
> Hopelijk passen jullie dit zo snel mogelijk aan op jullie eigen pagina en
> die van jullie klanten."
>
> Op 17 november 2016 13:09 schreef Georges De Gruyter <zors1...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Heb op 17/05/2014 al een vriendelijk mailtje gestuurd naar d’artagnan.
>> Hebben er nooit op gereageerd :(
>>
>> Georges
>>
>>
>> Op 17-nov.-2016, om 12:43 heeft Ben Abelshausen <
>> ben.abelshau...@gmail.com> het volgende geschreven:
>>
>> Ook niet vergeten, meestal zijn het de web-dev bureaukes die attribution
>> verwijderen of vergeten toe te voegen, bedrijven zelf weten meestal gewoon
>> van niks:
>>
>> http://www.d-artagnan.be/ => deze is verantwoordelijk hier
>>
>> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Ben Abelshausen
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Missing Maps, in Belgium

[Ben Abelshausen]

Some more info:

https://github.com/hotosm/osm-tasking-manager2/issues/735

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Ben Abelshausen

On Wed, Nov 9, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Glenn Plas <gl...@byte-consult.be> wrote:

> On 09-11-16 09:28, Jonathan Beliën wrote:
> > Oops, I’ll try to fix that this weekend !
>
> afaik, it's not really fixable on the website, it's because your browser
> uses the method you use to visit the website.  So if you want remote
> control to work, you can offer the task manager unencrypted which could
> give you problems with osm oauth2 logins. It's been a while since I
> tested such a setup, not 100% sure.
>
> since remote control that listens on both localhost/8111(non-ssl) and
> localhost/8112(ssl) does not let the call pass using ssl (your browser
> in fact), due to certificate issues (on your pc)
>
> >
> > @Glenn : I already use Let’s Encrypt certificate for the Task Manager ;-)
>
> I use it everywhere.  +1 for your SSL choices :)
>
> > Sorry for the inconvenience !
> >
>
> not your fault.  It's how it is.  to fix this, you need to get some
> certificates installed locally (self-signed)
>
> see: https://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Help/Preferences/RemoteControl
>
> and: "In addition you may need to tell your browser to accept the
> self-signed JOSM HTTPS certificate"
>
> Give that a try
>
> Glenn
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] GRB import case + wiki page need help

[Ben Abelshausen]

I remember translating the license... :-)

The attribution requirement is ok already, perhaps a link to the new Import
page can be added there:

https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Contributors#AGIV

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On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 4:37 PM, Glenn Plas <gl...@byte-consult.be> wrote:

> Hey,
>
> On 08-11-16 15:29, joost schouppe wrote:
> > Eh, I would think the legal stuff can just be copied from here:
> >
> > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/AGIV_CRAB_Import#Legal
>
> mmm, translated license info in English... how did that escape me ?
>
> >
> > CRAB and GRB are under the same licence
> > (check https://www.agiv.be/news/2015/december/vlaamse-overheid-
> stelt-grb-data-gratis-open
> > ), and CRAB has been accepted as something we can import.
>
> awesome, we need ammunition like that.  That means they can't argue with
> us about the license.  That will save a thread or 2 in the import
> mailing list.
>
> > And yes, discussing is much more fun than editing wiki pages of course :)
>
> Let's move forward on this,  we gotta get content in there. I'm quite
> motivated to fix the final steps, especially make a production ready
> interface.
>
> tx Joost.
>
> Glenn
>
> >
> > 2016-11-08 13:37 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas <gl...@byte-consult.be
> > <mailto:gl...@byte-consult.be>>:
> >
> > On 08-11-16 13:30, joost schouppe wrote:
> > > I'm a little surprised by how little space there is for explaining
> the
> > > what and why of the import in this template. Things like "current
> use in
> > > OSM", "quality of the data", "data model of the original data", etc
> > > "integration methodology" etc. I would expect this to be the most
> > > important in evaluating the import. Seems like this is all kept to
> the
> > > imports talk list then? Or is this supposed to be in the
> explanation of
> > > the source itself?
> >
> > I just kinda anchored the page and removed some dutch text, I think
> it
> > should be in English too, but I can't find GRB licensing in English
> atm.
> >
> > Feel free to blow it away actually, only the top part is mine.  it's
> a
> > rush job and I was planning on improving it today if only I wasn't
> > fighting a evil tile server like a jedi master
> >
> > > I would like to work on that part of the page if that is useful.
> And we
> > > could probably get someone from the AIV to review the technical
> details
> > > too.
> >
> > Thanks Joost, I noticed the response on actually helping me with
> these
> > is very low atm.  But the "GRB pressure" to get it done seems a lot
> > higher (not judging) But I can't do it all by myself.
> >
> > If I can make a suggestion, I really want the legal part in order.
> For
> > technical stuff I have a lot more inspiration.
> >
> > Glenn
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Missing Maps, in Belgium

[Ben Abelshausen]

I did some tests and remote control doesn't work in JOSM, probably because
we use HTTPS. I tried with tasks.hotosm.org but no HTTPS there.

There is an HTTPS option in JOSM but that also doesn't work. Can we update
our taskingmanager to trigger JOSM's remote control using HTTPS?

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On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 1:27 PM, Glenn Plas <gl...@byte-consult.be> wrote:

> I do agree, for more widespread things like missing streets, it's
> probably quite useful.  En per 'theme' like shops, it's excellent.  I
> didn't know you could not-use the squares, but like I said, my R was
> on task manager 1, and I understand it's at major version 2 now.
>
> But for GRB (and that is the kicker of my solution)  You don't need a
> task manager as the diff's between GRB to-be-imported data and the
> existing data is solved in the browser itself.  So that's a seamless
> situation.  You can do it per building(s) (when I'm done adding that
> small functionality). It's now using the view bounding box to limit the
> data.
>
> Since JOSM is the catalyst in this solution, we benefit from all things
> JOSM brings (validation/mapcss etc.) to the table.
>
> The missing roads is probably on the top of the list of (want)todo's.
>
> @marc : I've seen some of 'his/her' work too and there are indeed some
> small issues from time to time.  But this person is willing to change
> his habits too, I've had some comments in the past (slow roads/trage
> wegen) and he made hist tagging more consistent so (s)he's open for
> suggestions.
>
> Glenn
>
>
> On 08-11-16 12:59, joost schouppe wrote:
> > Honestly I wasn't thinking about organizing your work with this tasking
> > manager :)
> > If you enjoy your heavy surveying or your efficient imports, I
> > absolutely agree there is no extra value in a tasking manager.
> > I'm more interested in tools that help finding new mappers, help them on
> > their first steps and hopefully turn a few of them into mappers as crazy
> > as you guys.
> >
> > Here's how I'm using it myself in the example task:
> > - map those roads that are present in Wegenregister and clearly missing
> > in OSM
> > - make fixme notes for cases where it isn't quite clear
> > - When this is done, I mark the task as "ready". Then I load the data to
> > my Osmand, and go for a walk where I check some fixme's in the field
> > (there's a layer for that in Osmand).
> > - When the findings are incorporated into the data, I can finally
> > "validate" the tile.
> >
> > This is useful to me because it allows me to keep focused on the task at
> > hand (I've been known to wander), make sure I cover the entire territory
> > and go out surveying efficiently (I don't really go out surveying, I
> > walk the dog in areas where I haven't been yet). And Wegspotter mapped a
> > few squares yesterday, so now I can skip straight to the dog-walking
> > part in that area.
> >
> > In other tasks, this flow could be entirely different. For the "shops
> > with mapillary in Brussels" example, you could easily have a flow where
> > beginners do the labour of translating mapillary images into shops. The
> > validation would then be to check the tagging and mark spots where the
> > imagery wasn't complete enough. A last surveying phase would be to grab
> > a mobile editor and add those last shops. But that would then be
> > possible on a quick walk - you wouldn't have to be using the clumsy
> > mobile editor or walking paper all the time. A lot of people are turned
> > off by surveying because you're collecting so much data that the mapping
> > afterwards takes way too long. In this little idea, you could map in the
> > field without freezing to death.
> >
> > On a technical note: you don't have to use squares. You can also upload
> > a custom task division. For city mapping, neighborhoods would be
> > perfect. For Missing Maps Wallonia, it could be "residential areas
> > without buildings". For a GRB import, it could be tiny tiny squares, or
> > a custom division of Flanders into areas with similar numbers of
> buildings.
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] GRB-import voor centrum Antwerpen ?

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2016-11-07 13:06 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas <gl...@byte-consult.be>:

> Willen we eens een bijeenkomst organiseren ?  Ik maak daar graag tijd
> voor.  Ik zou heel graag GRB data zien in OSM maar dan wel volgens de
> regels van de data-kunst.  Ik zou eigenhandig op een maand of 2 tijd
> gans Belgie kunnen doen.
>
> Ik moet zeggend dat ik zelf ook al het idee van Jo heb overwogen, om de
> data te 'druppel-laden' ipv te doen alsof dit een massieve import is (en
> dat is het niet).
>

Er is een mail geweest met een datum ergens tijdens een weekend, er komt
zeker een face-to-face, hopelijk ook over andere dingen dan het GRB ;-) Ik
vrees wel dat we er niet uit gaan komen die dag als we al niet voor die
face-to-face het huidige plan eens aftoetsen bij de import lijst. Anders
gaat het gewoon dezelfde discussie zijn als nu... Ik zou dus zeggen, maken
die wiki pagina en eens bekijken wat de import lijst ervan denkt, dan
kunnen we die face-to-face dag de laatste details afspreken en wat knopen
doorhakken?!

Ik denk trouwens dat het wel mogelijk is om gaten in OSM te detecteren of
data te vergelijken zonder de source tags over te nemen. Is een pak
ingewikkelder maar daar wil ik mij wel eens aanzetten. Voordeel is hier dat
we dan ook de bestaande gebouwen kunnen meenemen in de vergelijking.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] GRB-import voor centrum Antwerpen ?

[Ben Abelshausen]

Het is duidelijk dat dit, vanuit technologie standpunt de beste oplossing
is, dat is niet waar het probleem zit. Dit is zeker een elegante oplossing.
Het punt is dat we die wiki pagina moeten maken en er moet community
consensus zijn (min-of-meer) over de aanpak en ik geloof niet dat we dat op
deze manier gaan bereiken.

Het is 100% zeker dat dit zever gaat geven met de import lijst en data
working group en ik heb gewoon geen goesting om mij daar weer mee bezig te
houden. En ik bedoel inderdaad mensen die op eigen houtje GRB gebouwen over
de bestaande hebben gezet... dat moeten we vermijden.

Ik denk nog altijd dat het voldoende gaat zijn om sommige gebouwen éénmalig
te importeren en dan verder te onderhouden op de gangbare manier. Dit gaat
de weg van de minste pijn zijn, eenvoudig te implementeren en geen (of
minder) zever met de data working group of de import lijst.

In het kort dus: Voor mij evengoed als we het kunnen regelen dat we die
tags allemaal kunnen meenemen maar ik heb dan niet veel zin om dit te
verdedigingen op de import lijst.

Ik wou om deze reden dus ook face-to-face afspreken om te vermijden heel
deze discussie via mail te voeren...

@marc: we zouden de source tag ook op de changeset kunnen zetten. Is ook
logischer omdat enkel de data die in die changeset nieuw is ook die bron
heeft.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

Met vriendelijke groeten,
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Ben Abelshausen

2016-11-07 12:14 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com>:

> Ik ben echt niet gelukkig met source=GRB. Probeer dat maar eens te
> combineren met data die je op een andere manier hebt gevonden (bv. via
> survey of wikipedia).
> source:geometry of iets dergelijks ok, maar niet source aub.
>
> m.
>
> 2016-11-07 12:02 GMT+01:00 Glenn Plas <gl...@byte-consult.be>:
> > On 07-11-16 11:51, Ben Abelshausen wrote:
> >> Glenn,
> >>
> >> Kijkend naar de BAG import wat denk je van dit:
> >>
> >> source = GRB
> >> ref:grb = 3746049-6379775 (oidn-uidn)
> >
> > Dat gaat een leuke query worden in de database, met regular expressions
> > en stuff. pfff.  En die uidn is volgens mij nog van een minder belang
> > dat de datum.  Die is leesbaar voor eindgebruikers, die uidn versie
> > nummer zegt echt niks.
> >
> > Ik ben trouwens niet akkoord met die ref tag.  het is geen ref, het is
> > een source ref.  daarom source:*
> >
> >> Die datum is niet echt relevant voor mappers en als ik het goed begrijp
> >> kunnen we dit via bovenstaande ref nog altijd uit de originele data
> >> halen? Zelfde voor entity? We zouden die entity types ook nog kunnen
> >> gebruiken om andere tags te genereren omdat daar toch wel verschillende
> >> zaken inzitten precies.
> >
> > Dat gebeurd nu ook, maar er is ook overlapping tussen entities.
> >>
> >> Ik heb altijd gedacht, we importeren wat gebouwen waar het nodig is
> >> (bijvoorbeeld dicht gebouwde steden). We hebben ookal werk van mappers
> >> overschreven gezien met GRB gebouwen (delete-upload), iets wat naar mijn
> >> menig een slechte zaak is.
> >
> > Nee, dan heb je niet opgelet ;-) !!!  wij deleten niets.  De history van
> > een gebouw wordt bewaard.  je moet de plugin gebruiken om geometries te
> > migreren.  zie docs : http://grbtiles.byteless.net/docs/
> >
> >>
> >> Eens de import klaar is en we hebben alle gebouwen doen we maintenance
> >> zoals we dat normaal zouden organiseren moest het GRB niet bestaan. We
> >> kunnen nog altijd de datasets vergelijken om te bekijken waar de
> >> wijzigingen zitten.
> >
> > Die maintenance is nu simpel:  match entity en oidn en je weet exact
> > welk gebouw je hebt.
> >
> > Welk probleem zijn we nu eigenlijk aan het oplossen met die tags.  Ik
> > versta niet wat het grote probleem is en waarom we het ons moeilijker
> > moeten maken ook als het makkelijk kan ?
> >
> > Die meta data is voor automatisatie te faciliteren, niet zomaar dus.
> >
> > Glenn
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Met vriendelijke groeten,
> >> Best regards,
> >>
> >> Ben Abelshausen
> >>
> >> On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Glenn Plas <gl...@byte-consult.be
> >> <mailto:gl...@byte-consult.be>> wrote:
> >>
> >> On 07-11-16 11:22, Glenn Plas wrote:
> >> > (hence source:geometry:entity=GRB.
> >>
> >> Dju, dat moest zijn:
> >>
> >> source:geometry:entitity=Gbg of Knw, maar niet GRB.
> >>
> >> Glenn
> >>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] GRB-import voor centrum Antwerpen ?

[Ben Abelshausen]

Glenn,

Kijkend naar de BAG import wat denk je van dit:

source = GRB
ref:grb = 3746049-6379775 (oidn-uidn)

Die datum is niet echt relevant voor mappers en als ik het goed begrijp
kunnen we dit via bovenstaande ref nog altijd uit de originele data halen?
Zelfde voor entity? We zouden die entity types ook nog kunnen gebruiken om
andere tags te genereren omdat daar toch wel verschillende zaken inzitten
precies.

Ik heb altijd gedacht, we importeren wat gebouwen waar het nodig is
(bijvoorbeeld dicht gebouwde steden). We hebben ookal werk van mappers
overschreven gezien met GRB gebouwen (delete-upload), iets wat naar mijn
menig een slechte zaak is.

Eens de import klaar is en we hebben alle gebouwen doen we maintenance
zoals we dat normaal zouden organiseren moest het GRB niet bestaan. We
kunnen nog altijd de datasets vergelijken om te bekijken waar de
wijzigingen zitten.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

On Mon, Nov 7, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Glenn Plas <gl...@byte-consult.be> wrote:

> On 07-11-16 11:22, Glenn Plas wrote:
> > (hence source:geometry:entity=GRB.
>
> Dju, dat moest zijn:
>
> source:geometry:entitity=Gbg of Knw, maar niet GRB.
>
> Glenn
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[OSM-talk-be] Open Belgium 2017!

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi all,

Open Knowledge Belgium has a yearly conference called Open Belgium! In
2017, the Open Belgium conference will be held in Brussels on March the
6th. Today, the call for speakers was announced!

http://2017.openbelgium.be/speakers


I think we should look at this as our yearly local State of the Map Belgium
from now on. Looking at how awesome SOTM was in Brussels! So send in your
session/workshop...

This is again during the week, we are also working on organizing something
OSM specific soon during the weekend.

Kind regards,

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM in French and Dutch

[Ben Abelshausen]

We are working on expanding OSM BE into an more formal organization with
clear goals, membership and sponsors (hopefully) so this should enable us
to at least spend some money on a server that can handle this.

If people want to be involved in making this happen let me know, otherwise
we hope to have some basics ready by SOTM.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 7:01 AM, Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com> wrote:

> It would be nice if fritures would have their own icon on a Belgian map :-)
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] welcoming new mappers

[Ben Abelshausen]

It's done and working:

http://welcome.osm.be/

It would be great if OSGeo could provide us with hosting... thanks Johan!
:-) What does Ruben need to do...? Or are you guys already in touch?

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 11:29 AM, Ruben Maes <ru...@janmaes.com> wrote:

> Yes, that would be better. My server is just an old laptop running at my
> home. :p
>
> Thursday 12 May 2016 11:25:37, Johan Van de Wauw:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > OSGeo Belgium has a simple hosting instance at gandi [1] serving our
> > site ( http://www.osgeo.be )and the one for FOSS4G.be (
> > http://www.foss4g.be )
> >
> > We have room enough to host another site.
> >
> > Kind Regards,
> > Johan
> >
> > [1] https://www.gandi.net/hosting/
> >
> > On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 11:12 AM, Ben Abelshausen
> > <ben.abelshau...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > We don't have a location to run a php-based website at the moment but
> we do
> > > have a server available and we can install the correct tools
> (webserver,
> > > etc) if someone is willing to do that...?
> > >
> > > As for the domain, just tell me where to point it and it's done. I
> could
> > > also just redirect welcome.osm.be to
> > > http://osmwelcome.unitedbashers.com/login.php but that's not the best
> > > solution.
> > >
> > > Met vriendelijke groeten,
> > > Best regards,
> > >
> > > Ben Abelshausen
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] welcoming new mappers

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We don't have a location to run a php-based website at the moment but we do
have a server available and we can install the correct tools (webserver,
etc) if someone is willing to do that...?

As for the domain, just tell me where to point it and it's done. I could
also just redirect welcome.osm.be to
http://osmwelcome.unitedbashers.com/login.php but that's not the best
solution.

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

On Mon, Apr 11, 2016 at 8:37 AM, joost schouppe <joost.schou...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> That would be really nice.
>
> Also, you can just use the tool to check the changesets. That way someone
> else (i.e. me) can send the community-invites much more quickly.
>
> I believe every new mapper in Belgium should get an invitation to join the
> local mailing list, the Forum, the meetup group, etc. But I can't keep up
> by myself alone.
>
> 2016-04-10 22:21 GMT+02:00 Ruben Maes <ru...@janmaes.com>:
>
>> Friday 01 April 2016 17:32:55, Ben Abelshausen:
>> > I just want to say this is awesome! Nicely done! :-)
>>
>> Thanks. :)
>>
>> > Any links to the source code? Do I setup a domain using osm.be like '
>> > welcome.osm.be'? Any problems I can help with?
>>
>> I've just put the source online at
>> https://git.framasoft.org/Midgard/osm-welcome-belgium
>>
>> welcome.osm.be would be nice of course.
>> If you want, you can also host it. The site would probably work a bit
>> faster then. I can zip the files with the data and email them.
>>
>> > Met vriendelijke groeten,
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > Ben Abelshausen
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I've only send 1 welcome message so far and indicated that I did.
>> > >
>> > > m
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 9:02 AM, joost schouppe
>> > > <joost.schou...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > Ruben, someone actually did, I believe it was Pierre Parmentier who
>> made
>> > > the
>> > > > translation for us.
>> > > > BTW, I'm having to log in again at every click of the button right
>> now...
>> > > >
>> > > > Marc, I see you've helped out analyzing the changesets. Did you
>> also send
>> > > > the welcome message? (you need to ctrl+c at the welcome message
>> page,
>> > > paste
>> > > > it in the new tab, close the tab and mark the "I've sent this
>> message"
>> > > > button)
>> > > >
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[OSM-talk] SotM: Call for session proposals and Scholarship fund

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi all,

I'm delighted to report that the planning for State of the Map 2016 is
going well. We have now opened the call for session proposals
(presentations). You have until Saturday 21st May to submit your idea.

Please see:
https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2016/04/19/propose-your-session-to-state-of-the-map-2016/

We have also opened the scholarship programme. This has the same deadline
so don't hesitate. The option is there if you need it so don’t let the cost
of travel stand in your way!
https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2016/04/25/we-want-you-at-state-of-the-map-apply-for-a-scholarship/

Hope to see many of you in Brussels! :-)

Best regards,
Ben

p.s. There are still sponsorship opportunities should your business want to
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] MissingMaps National

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi,

I also think we should start working on getting some basic funding for
OSM.be. I'm still paying for website, meetup and one server every month,
it's not much but we should be able to get this funded somehow. If we can
have some basic funding we can also make other things happen like t-shirts,
fyers, and so on. Maybe the exposure with something like this mapathon
and/or SOTM in september can help.

Anyone up for brainstorming/helping with this?

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] welcoming new mappers

[Ben Abelshausen]

I just want to say this is awesome! Nicely done! :-)

Any links to the source code? Do I setup a domain using osm.be like '
welcome.osm.be'? Any problems I can help with?

Met vriendelijke groeten,
Best regards,

Ben Abelshausen

On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 9:57 AM, Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I've only send 1 welcome message so far and indicated that I did.
>
> m
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 30, 2016 at 9:02 AM, joost schouppe
> <joost.schou...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Ruben, someone actually did, I believe it was Pierre Parmentier who made
> the
> > translation for us.
> > BTW, I'm having to log in again at every click of the button right now...
> >
> > Marc, I see you've helped out analyzing the changesets. Did you also send
> > the welcome message? (you need to ctrl+c at the welcome message page,
> paste
> > it in the new tab, close the tab and mark the "I've sent this message"
> > button)
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] SOTM Brussel - logement

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hey,

Goed idee maar ik heb dit al nagevraagd en verhuur op de VUB zelf is
spijtiggenoeg geen optie...

Toch merci Philippe & Ruben!

Met vriendelijke groeten,
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Ben Abelshausen

2016-02-09 13:27 GMT+00:00 Ruben De Smet <ruben.de.s...@glycos.org>:

> On 02/09/2016 11:38 AM, Philippe Casteleyn wrote:
> > Verhuurt de VUB de studentekoten niet in september ?  De lessen beginnen
> echter waarschijnlijk maandag 26 september.
> http://www.vub.ac.be/academische-kalender/2015-2016De ULB is zelfs wat
> vroeger
> https://www.ulb.ac.be/ulb/greffe/documents/docs/Semaines2016-2017.pdf
> > Ik heb zo al op meerdere gerenommeerde universiteiten gezeten.
>
> Voor zover ik weet niet. Source: heb twee jaar op een VUB kot gezeten -
> tot en met vorig academiejaar. Ik kon daar heel de zomer (juni, juli,
> augustus, september) binnen.
>
> Misschien wel de kamers van mensen die al vertrokken zijn en geen
> herexamens hadden.
>
> Je kan proberen dienst huisvesting daarover te contacteren:
>
> [A] Pleinlaan 2
> 1050 Brussel
> [T] +32(0)2 629 28 31
> [F] +32(0)2 629 36 19
> [E] huisvesting.hous...@vub.ac.be
> [W] my.vub.ac.be/op-kot
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> Groeten,
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] SOTM 2016

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Hi,

On Sun, Feb 7, 2016 at 12:13 PM, Jo <winfi...@gmail.com> wrote:

> SOTM 2016 is on the horizon now and it worries me that there is hardly any
> communication happening


You're right there hasn't been a lot of communication but that will change
now. We're getting communications up-and-running and I just sent an email
about local planning. If you want to help or need more info let me know.

It's a bit early for a call for speakers or call for volunteers. I will
send an email to the list when there is new info. You can also subscribe on
the website to receive updates.

http://2016.stateofthemap.org/

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[OSM-talk-be] SOTM in Brussels - status

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi All,

A small update on the State of the map planning. I hope everyone has seen
our website: http://2016.stateofthemap.org/

We're really getting into the local stuff right now, this means searching
for possible social events (activities we can do with the group), arrange
catering (lunch and drinks during the day) and accommodation.

If there is anyone here with some suggestions/comments on any of these
(social events, catering or accommodation) feel free to let us know. We can
also use some more help in the organizing group itself, let me know if
you're interested.

Actual questions we need answers to:

- Social activities: We need one big one, included in the price, that is
accessible for all attendees and for about 300-600 max and at least one
other activity that is optional. Examples from previous SOTM's are: A boat
trip on the ferry (SOTM-US 2015), a relatively short optional free
activity, an evening in a large bar/café where everyone can eat and drink
something at their own expense (at almost every SOTM), a wine tasting (or
wine-related event) (SOTM-EU, Vienna), ... in short, ideas are welcome! ;-)
Has to be something in Brussels obviously.
- Cheap and decent accommodation near VUB. We're very close on finishing
this but any ideas, hints still welcome.
- A good catering company.
- Audio/video recording/streaming company.

If you don't have any experience with this and want to help, don't worry,
I've never done this before either... ;-)

Will try to keep you all informed as things move along.

We'll also need volunteers on the actual conference days, another email
will be sent asking for volunteers and what this means but it's a bit early
for that. It's also a bit early for a call for speakers but don't worry, I
will also send a notification once that's open. It would be great to have a
few locals on the program! ;-)

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Voorstel import GRB gebouwen

[Ben Abelshausen]

Dag Sander,

2015-12-13 18:07 GMT+00:00 Sander Deryckere <sander...@gmail.com>:
>
> In theorie is dit allemaal niet zo moeilijk, maar de GRB database is vele
> malen groter dan de CRAB database, dus zullen we dit niet meer kunnen
> hosten op Github, en zullen we een aparte server moeten nemen. Ik vrees ook
> dat ik niet genoeg computerkracht heb om een dergelijke database in te
> lezen en te splitsen in verschillende OSM bestanden. Dus zullen we dit
> verder moeten automatiseren op een zwaardere server.
>
> Wat denken jullie hier over?
>

Ik heb een tijd geleden een server gehuurd die ik samen met joost gebruik
voor OSM-gerelateerde zaken. Daar kan jij ook toegang toe krijgen als je
wil. Dat zou meer dan genoeg moeten zijn om dit te hosten.

Over de import zelf:

Ik heb altijd gedacht dat we dit op termijn zouden moeten doen in de meeste
steden omdat het gewoon heel moeilijk is om via luchtfoto's alle gebouwen
te mappen op een fatsoenlijke manier (probeer maar eens het patershol in
gent goed te krijgen). Ik denk ook dat de kwaliteit van de GRB-data
waarschijnlijk beter is dan de onze waar gebouwen echt op elkaar gepakt
staan.

Waar ik niet zo zeker van ben is of dit ook klopt in meer landelijke
gemeentes. Heb je daar ook info over? Hoe heb je kwaliteit vergeleken? Veel
gebouwen zijn ook al in orde buiten de steden omdat het gewoon gemakkelijk
in te tekenen is.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] GRB open data

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2015-12-04 10:13 GMT+00:00 Pieter Colpaert <pieter.colpa...@okfn.org>:

> Iemand die er iets mee gaat doen?


Het zal ni lang duren of iemand is er mee weg... ;-)

Zelf nog niets gepland... We kunnen zeker eens een vergelijking doen met
OSM om te beginnen!

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapbox, road completeness, CIA factbook

[Ben Abelshausen]

They analyse based on zoom level 12 tiles, a bigger margin of error for
smaller countries it says in the blogpost...

Maybe we can get the source of whatever mikel did and rerun in more detail
just for Belgium...

Cheers,

Ben
from
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/be.html

total: 154,012 km
paved: 120,514 km (includes 1,756 km of expressways)
unpaved: 33,498 km (2010)

Mapbox:  111,684 km


https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/nl.html
total: 138,641 km (includes 3,530 km of expressways) (2014)

- no mention of unpaved roads there


It might be the unpaved part, should be investigated further for other
countries.

m

On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:51 AM, Marc Gemis  wrote:
> 100% in Germany, The Netherlands, Luxembourg as well. Wonder why the
> CIA thinks there are so many hidden roads in Belgium :-)
> Or (more seriously) why the definition of road would be different for
> Belgium compare to the other countries.
>
> I cannot tell for Bolivia, but the Belgian roads are similar to other
> Western European countries, so I would expect the CIA to use the same
> definition there.
>
> On the blog that was mentioned, you find a twitter address to contact
> the Mapbox people. Maybe they can help ?
>
> regards
>
> m
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 9:30 AM, joost schouppe
>  wrote:
>> I think in the CIA's imagination :)
>>
>> Huge differences like that, I'm afraid it says more about the
differences of
>> the definition of what consists of a motor road. For instance, I know the
>> road network in OSM Bolivia to be far from complete as to smaller motor
>> roads, but it's way over 100% of the CIA number. So they probably only
took
>> the main road network as a measure. Meanwhile, OSM is mapping roads that
no
>> other map has ever mapped :)
>>
>> 2015-11-20 9:00 GMT+01:00 eMerzh :
>>>
>>> Interesting thanks for the link 
>>>
>>> but it seems surprising no?
>>> France is at 100% and us at 73? ... it's kind of low no? any idea where
>>> those road are?
>>>
>>> 2015-11-20 6:52 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis :

 Mapbox made a tool [1] to see how complete the road networks in a
 country are. Belgium got a 73%
 They blogged about it in [2]


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 [1] https://www.mapbox.com/data-platform/country/#belgium
 [2] https://www.mapbox.com/blog/how-complete-is-openstreetmap/

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Re: [OSM-talk] A message to our friends at HOT, Peace Corps etc. about Changeset Comments

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On Thu, Nov 19, 2015 at 10:31 AM, Andy Townsend <ajt1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> It's a building that is a closed way, but only just.  How can I offer to
> help that mapper do what they are trying to do better?  All the changeset
> comment says is "#MissingMaps #hotosm-project-1254 Lubumbashi, Congo (DRC)
> #100mapathons #OSMGeoWeek " - to me the only useful information in there is
> "Lubumbashi, Congo (DRC)", which I already know since that is exactly where
> this edit is.
>

That's why I suggested to put more of a description in the comment.

What I mean is that, compared to most of the changesets out there, this is
pretty good but that things can always be better and there is room for
improvement without changing too much the way this works now.


> More importantly, how do I contact the person who told this new mapper
> that "#MissingMaps #hotosm-project-1254 Lubumbashi, Congo (DRC)
> #100mapathons #OSMGeoWeek" was a suitable changeset comment, to explain to
> them what we use changeset comments for and what makes a good one?  If I
> can talk to them, I can probably help them help other new users too, and
> not just with stuff about changeset comments - as an OSM mapper think of
> all the "how to interpret imagery" latent knowledge that you have simply by
> being able to compare a place you visited with the imagery of that place.
>

We could even add the url of the task as a changeset tag. And yes the
tasking manager won't be online forever but changesets also become less
usefull the older they get.

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These changesets are way more useful than most.

You can go the tasking manager and see exactly what the goal of the mapping
activity was, who is the admin that created the task and who validates,
what mappers contributed and so on.

That doesn't mean things couldn't be better. Maybe moving some information
to the changeset tags may be a solution, the id of the task for example,
and the tile or some description in the comment.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] some osm.be statistics

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What could also help: someone native french speaking to help with the
twitter account. Now we mostly tweet in NL and EN.

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On Tue, Nov 3, 2015 at 8:27 AM, joost schouppe <joost.schou...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hey Nicolas,
>
> I totally agree that building awereness is always good.
> But I'm not sure that "more people know and use OSM in Flanders". I would
> like to make some statistics of (active) contributors in the various parts
> of the country to see if that's true when it comes to contribution. Which
> is only part of the equation of course.
>
> An alternative explanation for different browsing numbers might be that
> the search terms people use to find the website work better in Dutch
> language Belgian Google than in the French language one. For example, just
> looking up "openstreetmap" in Dutch, gives as the first result the Holland
> website, but osm.be is already number five. It would be interesting to
> see where it shows up in your version.
> I have the impression that people mostly use very simple queries like this
> to find us; however almost 90% of search terms are unavailable in
> Analytics. (If I understand correctly, because of people switching to
> https).
>
> I think the takeway for everyone is that we are small and not as easy to
> find as we should be. And the best solution for that is building backlinks.
> So if you know of people who write about Openstreetmap in Belgium, kindly
> ask them to refer to us if that's apropriate.
>
>
> 2015-11-03 6:05 GMT+01:00 Nicolas Pettiaux <nico...@pettiaux.be>:
>
>> Much thanks Joost for the analysis and the data.
>>
>> I understand it as the following ; more people know & use OSM in Flanders
>> than in Brussels & Wallonie, and we therefore have to work on developping
>> its awareness  .
>>
>> Regards,
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] kilometer palen

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OK, die dataset van AWV ziet er ook wel nuttig uit... ik zal het eens
navragen of ik die ergens kan vastkrijgen.

Ik dacht trouwens al dat we zouden moeten wachten op het GRB.

En zoals gewoonlijk: wat met Wallonië/Brussel?

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2015-11-02 17:38 GMT+00:00 Sander Deryckere <sander...@gmail.com>:

> Er is deze:
> http://www.geopunt.be/catalogus/datasetfolder/fa453d09-d577-4f5a-ad6c-04f938b757c4
>
> Maar helaas niet downloadbaar.
>
> Op 2 november 2015 18:24 schreef Ben Abelshausen <
> ben.abelshau...@gmail.com>:
>
>> Weet er toevallig iemand hier waar ik een dataset kan vinden met de
>> locaties van de kilometer palen?
>>
>> Is er een dataset van AGIV ergens die ik nog niet gezien heb?
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapper of the Month

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A huge thanks to all the volunteers who helped make this happen! ;-)

Cheers for keeping this going! Each time I read the interview I learn
something new about OSM or related topics...!

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> Hallo,
>
>  Jorieke has put the interviews with the mapper of the month on the osm.be
> website
>
> Dutch: http://osm.be/nl/content/mapper-van-de-maand-olivier-roussel
> French: http://osm.be/nl/node/39
>
>
>
> As a bonus, to celebrate 12 interviews aka a full year, an interview with
> a US-mapper
>
> http://osm.be/nl/content/mapper-spotlight-clifford-snow (only in English)
>
>
>
>
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Weet er toevallig iemand hier waar ik een dataset kan vinden met de
locaties van de kilometer palen?

Is er een dataset van AGIV ergens die ik nog niet gezien heb?

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[OSM-talk-be] OSM-based art!

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Hi all,

Have you seen this?

http://hanshack.com/belgium/

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] adressen

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hey,

2015-09-07 13:19 GMT+00:00 Marc Gemis <marc.ge...@gmail.com>:

> Berkenlaan_WI is Berkenlaan, Wilrijk. Er is ook Berkenlaan_AN vermoed ik
> voor Antwerpen. Volgens Ben A is Antwerpen de enige stad waar straatnamen
> meerdere keren voorkomen (weliswaar met verschillende postcodes).
>

Is een hack in het CRAB om die adressen toch in het datamodel te laten
passen. Er zijn er nog volgens mij maar die zouden ondertussen toch
allemaal rechtgezet moeten zijn dacht ik of die gaan rechtgezet worden. We
moeten goed opletten en adreswijzigingen in het oog houden.

In principe maakt de huidige situatie voor OSM niet veel uit omdat zowat
alles in ons datamodel past ;-) We moeten gewoon opletten dat we niet
straatnamen overnemen zoals Berkenlaan_WI maar Berkenlaan...

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] publieke telefooncellen / public telephones

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2015-07-30 18:43 GMT+00:00 Ruben Maes ru...@janmaes.com:

 Het allemaal met de hand verifiëren klinkt leuk maar zoveel actieve
 mappers hebben we niet ...


Dat is inderdaad het probleem... We proberen al heel lang om meer mensen
actief te betrekken maar dat is niet gemakkelijk en veel werk.
Welcome-messages helpen echt wel volgens mij dus enorm bedankt om daaraan
mee te werken! Het is hier in ieder geval al een stuk drukker dan een paar
jaar geleden, hoe dat komt weet ik niet zeker! ;-)

Ik vind marc zijn idee wel goed, we moeten meer van zo een opportuniteit
gebruik maken om OSM op te promoten, zoals met de nieuwe situatie in
Brussel. Als er iemand toegang wil tot osm.be om te bloggen, gewoon mij
even mailen en het is in orde! Misschien moeten we het omkeren en een actie
doen van wij twijfelen wel of écht alle telefooncellen weg zijn en help
ons zoeken ;-)

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] publieke telefooncellen / public telephones

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Hey,

Ik ben het wel eerder eens met de opmerking van woodpeck.

We corrigeren bushaltes van de lijn, vinden fouten in data van het AGIV, ik
denk dat het niet onrealistisch is om te stellen dat proximus ook niet 100%
zeker weet waar alle telefooncellen staan. Ze zijn dan misschien niet meer
actief, maar ze bestaan misschien nog wel.

Wat in de pers komt is trouwens nooit echt te vertrouwen, zouden de
journalisten overal gaan kijken zijn, of zijn ze aan het mailen geweest met
mensen bij proximus?

Ik ben dus duidelijk tegen het verwijderen op deze manier zonder lokale
kennis van zaken.

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On Thu, Jul 30, 2015 at 1:10 PM, wannes wanne...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ok. I removed 3 non existing phonebooths. Will clean/survey Antwerp as
 soon as possible :-)

 On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 12:32 PM, Ruben Maes ru...@janmaes.com wrote:

 Yes, both of those actions would be great!

 You can add your comment in a 'note' tag.

 2015-07-28 12:26 GMT+02:00 wannes wanne...@gmail.com:
  Op 28 jul. 2015 12:13 PM schreef Ruben Maes ru...@janmaes.com:
 
 
  En nu het rare: er waren 320 telefooncellen met operator die ik heb
  verwijderd. Nu ik eens kijk naar alle telefonen
  (http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/aCL), blijkt dat er nu nog exact 320
  overblijven!
 
  It has been a while for me and OSM.
  If I do a survey for one of these 320 and I see no phoneboot, I remove
 the
  node?
  (Some are right around the corner)
 
  If I see one of these 320 that is still there. Would it be useful to
 add a
  comment to the node? Yes, verified 2015-07-28, still in place, do not
  remove
 
 
  Et maintenant l'étrange : j'ai enlevé 320 téléphones. Maintenant je
  regarde tous les téléphones (http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/aCL) et
  Overpass montre qu'il en reste encore exactement 320!
 
 
 
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] State of the map in Brussels in 2016!

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Hey,

Thanks for the enthousiasm! :-) I'm equally if not more excited about this!

If you want to be involved in any way in the organization, volunteering,
communication, ... let us know!

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On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 9:20 PM, althio althio.fo...@gmail.com wrote:

 Yaaah!

 Congratulations and best wishes of success!

 I hope I will be able to help as an individual and/or through the french
 community.

 - althio
 On Jun 20, 2015 8:09 PM, Ben Abelshausen ben.abelshau...@gmail.com
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 Hi all,

 I'm very happy to announce that State of the map is coming to Belgium
 next year:

 https://2016.stateofthemap.org

 Let us know if you want to be involved, have ideas, ... We have the
 ambition to make this the best SOTM ever in Europe!

 Spread the word among all friends, mappers, clients, whatever...!!

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OSM contributions by Gemeente Destelbergen, Westtoer ...

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On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 5:21 PM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote:

 Maybe they contacted Ben Abelshausen ?


No, no contact. We should email them again maybe.

I met some people from Westtoer again last week at the flemish open data
day but I forgot to ask about this... sorry.

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[OSM-talk-be] State of the map in Brussels in 2016!

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Hi all,

I'm very happy to announce that State of the map is coming to Belgium next
year:

https://2016.stateofthemap.org

Let us know if you want to be involved, have ideas, ... We have the
ambition to make this the best SOTM ever in Europe!

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Re: [OSM-talk] Some thoughts against remote mapping

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This is a very intersting discussion and something worth talking about.
This should happen more.

I think we should distinguish between remote mapping, or armchair mapping,
and putting 'color' on the map.

Most remote mappers will just trace basic stuff like buildings, roads or
other features that can be easily recognized.

I think this ethical dilemma should be more about the actual stuff that
matters. For example, what name has an area, what name does a street have,
what kind of shops have we mapped,... in other words the local communities
should decide what's on the map but basically roads and buildings will have
to traced anyway and the result will most likely be exactly the same. In my
opinion locals should always have the last word on what's on the map.

You could also argue that some communities don't want to be mapped for
various kinds of reasons. That's something we should probably think about a
little more in HOT. But I'm afraid there is very little we can do about it
too. Any military operation, that's most likely very questionable when
looking at the good it will do for locals, can use use OSM too.

To summarize, I think a HOT activation does more good than bad because the
'color' of the map is the most important part but we should be carefull
about specific cases because maybe someone out there has a bad experience
after we traced their home and suddenly everybody can see there are people
living there.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Programme du Users Club UrbIS du 11 juin 2015 / Programma voor de UrbIS Users Club van 11 juni 2015

[Ben Abelshausen]

Thanks Julien for doing this! Sorry for not being able to be there.

And 100 potential new mappers/users is awesome! ;-)

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[OSM-talk-be] call for contributions - new website!

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Hi,

This is a call for contributions for anyone who can do any of the following:

- Translations
- HTML/CSS
- Javascript
- Jekyll

I'm working on a new website for OSM-BE here:

https://github.com/osmbe/osmbe.github.io

Feel free to contact me on any TODO's or if you want to help or just to
comment.

A bit more info:

I'm paying for the hosting of this website myself right now and it's using
drupal. It's very high on maintenance and I tried very hard to remove
english as a language option but now it seems we need it back. I also
requested someone with more drupal knowledge to help but that didn't work
out.

The new way of working would mean the website is hosted at GitHub meaning
very low maintenance and that I would only need to pay for the domain name
from now on. Thinks will get a lot easier.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] call for contributions - new website!

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi,

Yes top-5 todo's:

- Migrate posts from current osm-be.
- Cleanup content in english.
- Translate to french.
- Translate to dutch.
- Cleanup layout and possibly improve (i'm not very good at this part).

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On Mon, Jun 8, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be wrote:

 I have a few powerfull servers doing nothing, in case you do want.  We
 can easily use githooks so the site gets updated from commiting to the
 master repository.   The offer stands for unlimited time btw.  No need
 to decide now.

 Is there a todo list outside the general items on this list ?  a top 5
 of hands on issues?

 Glenn



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  Hi,
 
  This is a call for contributions for anyone who can do any of the
 following:
 
  - Translations
  - HTML/CSS
  - Javascript
  - Jekyll
 
  I'm working on a new website for OSM-BE here:
 
  https://github.com/osmbe/osmbe.github.io
 
  Feel free to contact me on any TODO's or if you want to help or just to
  comment.
 
  A bit more info:
 
  I'm paying for the hosting of this website myself right now and it's
  using drupal. It's very high on maintenance and I tried very hard to
  remove english as a language option but now it seems we need it back. I
  also requested someone with more drupal knowledge to help but that
  didn't work out.
 
  The new way of working would mean the website is hosted at GitHub
  meaning very low maintenance and that I would only need to pay for the
  domain name from now on. Thinks will get a lot easier.
 
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] een mapping party in Gent

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Goed idee! Ik zal er zijn als ik kan en zoveel mogelijk helpen met de
organisatie!

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] About what I think that we can write and not write on a mailing list

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Sorry sent that one out too quickly: So about those rules:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Etiquette#Mailing_Lists

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] About what I think that we can write and not write on a mailing list

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi,

I agree with Julien. There are some basic rules we can all follow to try
and avoid this:


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] La Wallonie picarde à vélo - TEST

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On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 6:01 PM, Matthieu Gaillet mgwebm...@fastmail.fm
wrote:

 They hate written things ;-)


That's exactly why we love them! ;-)

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Re: [OSM-talk] What's your OSM story?

[Ben Abelshausen]

Maybe you can have a look at escada's diary, he posts all of our local
'mapper-of-the-month' interviews there in english:

http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/escada/diary/

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] La Wallonie picarde à vélo - TEST

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi,

A bit difficult for me to follow (sorry, french still not very good, shame
on me!) but if you want to use data like this you should have **them** sign
a agreement that they grant permission to use the data in OSM and release
it as ODbL. An email is never enough as permission to use data.

The template letters can be found on the wiki:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/GettingPermission#Letter_Template3

I agree with Jo here:

Donc IDETA doît décider s'ils veulent que nous effacions ce que a déjà été
 repris (avec leur permission)
 Et ils doivent décider si nous pouvons continuer avec les données qui nous
 étaient mises à disposition.
 De toute façon nous ne pouvons pas signer ce nouvel accord draconique qui
 contredit ce qui était convenu auparavant. Donc pas moyen de mettre à jour
 les données, sauf en les répérant sur place avec un peu plus de peine.


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] OsmAnd

[Ben Abelshausen]

2015-05-15 11:44 GMT+00:00 Guy Vanvuchelen guy.vanvuche...@gmail.com:

 Misschien kan je er iemand mee plezier doen.


Goed gedaan Guy! :-)

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] SOTM 2016 : postpone Bxl proposal to 2017

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi,

It is true that the Montreal proposal is good, but so is ours. Also the
Bucharest proposal. The world social forum is interesting, I agree, but the
audience of SOTM is very different and I don't expect a big overlap there.

SOTM is over a year away, 18 months (!), we have more than enough time to
get everyone on board IF we win the bid; I'm convinced we can help put
together an awesome conference, we already have a large network. Also, all
local actors can still do their part. We don't need everyone on board at
this stage just yet.

Our proposal is also just about being the local team and support the OSMF
SOTM team as much as possible but they already have the experience on
organizing SOTM's. We will have to do the leg-work.

And yes, I you fail to plan... but we have had a couple of months of
planning. We are right on track with the proposal, a lot of work has been
done, and there will be a lot to do, and to plan in the coming year if we
win...

Besides, If we don't win the bid, there is nothing that's stopping us from
submitting a new, better, proposal and joining SOTM in Montreal or
Bucharest. We can show them how it's done the next year in that case! ;-)

Happy mapping!

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Administrative map of Belgium with mapping of the polygon to the municipality name or zip code?

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi,

On Sat, Mar 28, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Alexander Mikhailian mikhail...@mova.org
wrote:

 Could you by any chance give me hint as to where I can find such a map?


Overpass is a good option, there is also this service to export boundaries:

https://osm.wno-edv-service.de/boundaries/

If you find errors or mistakes of any kind please let us know.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Afspraak met trage wegen.

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hallo,

2015-03-26 8:44 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com:

 Dus mijn oproep hier is, als je wil dat OSM blijft groeien en beter wordt,
 en je hebt wat tijd, probeer zo'n vergadering bij te wonen. Als er vragen
 mochten zijn waarop je niet kan antwoorden, kan je altijd de vraag hier
 stellen en hen het antwoord later laten weten.


Hier ben ik het 100% mee eens!!

We proberen dit al een hele tijd te doen maar we beginnen blijkbaar op deze
moment echt wel wat respect te krijgen voor alles wat wij/jullie doen
(mapping bedoel ik dan). Als je zoiets wil doen denk dan: je weet 100%
zeker meer over OSM dan de mensen waar je mee afspreekt.

Ga dus zeker mee als er hier iets op de lijst komt. Als je zelf een vraag
hebt zou het ook goed zijn om die hier te delen.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] meeting with CIRB

[Ben Abelshausen]

This meeting was great!

The people from CIRB proved open to almost all of our ideas, something that
usually is not the case at all.

We have arrived at a point where *we* are contacted to have a discussion
about opportunities and cooperation as opposed to a couple of years ago
when it was us trying to contact others to discuss options and failing most
of the time!

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[OSM-talk-be] Afspraak met trage wegen.

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hallo,

Is er iemand die een afspraak wil doen met trage wegen vzw? Ze zien een
samenwerking wel zitten (nu de atlas de buurtwegen in orde is kan dat ook)
maar details en mogelijkheden kunnen volgens mij best eens kort
face-to-face besproken worden.

Ik heb zelf geen tijd meer om face-to-face af te spreken want ik vertrek
over een paar weken voor 2 maanden naar Mali.

Is er iemand anders kandidaat? Ze vertellen mij dat er wel een verplaatsing
afkan.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Afspraak met trage wegen.

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hey Jo,

2015-03-25 22:13 GMT+01:00 Jo winfi...@gmail.com:

 Zouden ze de logies onderweg ook betalen :-)


Ik heb niks gezegd over betalen he. Met een verplaatsing afkunnen bedoel ik
dat ze bereid zijn om zelf ergens anders af te spreken dan in Gent. :-)

Maar als ge nu een treinticketje ofzo moet terug hebben dan kunnen we dat
misschien op een andere manier regelen... :-)

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Afspraak met trage wegen.

[Ben Abelshausen]

Merci!!

2015-03-25 21:51 GMT+01:00 Jo winfi...@gmail.com:

 Ik wil dat wel doen, naar waar is die verplaatsing?


Dat zult ge met hen moeten overeenkomen ;-) Hun bureau is in Gent. Ik stuur
u de contactgegevens door.

Nog iemand die mee wil gaan? Als dat voor jo goed is natuurlijk... :-)

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[OSM-talk-be] Atlas de buurtwegen (laatste keer)

[Ben Abelshausen]

Allen,

Het is in orde! De atlas der buurtwegen is ok voor hergebruik binnen OSM en
is beschikbaar onder de 'Gratis Open Data Licentie Vlaanderen'. Ik heb het
nodige op wiki gedaan.

Dit wil dus zeggen dat alle data die in het verleden overgenomen is nu ook
zeker in orde is.

Met dank aan Marc Gemis en andere voor de hulp met alle nodige emails!

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[OSM-talk-be] Local chapter OSMF

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi,

As was said in one the past email-threads here, we are thinking about
becoming a local chapter of the OSMF (OpenStreetMap Foundation). I think
this is a good idea for several reasons. We will be:

- An 'official' local instance of OSMF representing OSMF in relation to
local governments, companies and media.
- It's just common sense to work together (we are already de-facto a local
chapter) [1]

I think it's our job to ask feedback before doing this. So my question is
now, is there anybody not happy with us spending our time on this?

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[1]
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters#Why_Local_Chapters.3F
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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Local chapter OSMF

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi Marc,

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote:

 Everybody is free to do what (s)he wants, not ? :-)


No because if we claim to represent the OSM-community in Belgium we should
act according to what they want to do! ;-)

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Local chapter OSMF

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi,

On Mon, Mar 23, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Will OFKN as a VZW be the local chapter? Will it be a part of OFKN, or a
 new VZW? I guess it needs to be some sort of organisation.


Thanks for an actual question! :-)

The plan is that nothing will change, we will still be a working group in
Open Knowledge Belgium but also a local chapter.

As I read the new requirements of a local chapter this is perfectly ok. It
used to be the case that we would have to be a seperate VZW focused on only
OSM but that has changed.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] On Wheels

[Ben Abelshausen]

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:35 PM, Pieter-Jan Pauwels 
pieter-jan.pauw...@okfn.org wrote:

 Good luck in contacting them.


Thanks!

... and I know, we can seem a bit 'extreme' about 'open' at times! ;-)

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] overheid - routing - forum

[Ben Abelshausen]

hola, marc gij zijt wa rap voor mij... :-)

reactie is al gepost!

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2015-03-17 11:24 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com:

 Ben,

 kijk eens naar http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=30448
 ik denk dat jij daar iets zinniger kan over zeggen dan ik

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi,

I took the liberty of setting up something on asana. The first project
there is 'Find a open alternative for asana' with all the steps I think are
needed. Let's try and make this happen!

But at least we can get started now already with all the other TODO's... :-)

Send me a message if you want an invite. Or I can just send one to talk-be
but that may be called spam.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] On Wheels

[Ben Abelshausen]

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 12:49 PM, Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be wrote:

 I tweeted about collaborating with them and they marked that tweet as
 favorite, but didn't really respond.  It sure looks like they are
 unaware of OSM since they use google maps which I find a very odd choice
 given the level of detail at deeper zoom levels vs OSM is huge,
 especially in the cities.

 It's a VZW so perhaps the business plan isn't that important to them,
 the owners just seem to be physically bound to a wheelchair, so they
 have personal interest in this matter.

 They do have an impressive partner list, I wonder how they got that
 sorted out.


Awesome, I see mapping parties in the future.

Can you email them Glenn? Do I create a project in asana? ;-)

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] project follow-up : trello or trac ?

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi,

I also think a tool like this could improve the way we do thinks but as the
person personally funding the website and some other small things for
OSM-BE I am not in favour of setting up another tool while there are some
great tools available at no cost online.

If somebody can answer these two questions I would also go for any
free-software plan in a hearbeat:

- Funding/sponsoring for hosting.
- Person or persons mainting/updating/installing and configuring.

I'm even considering getting rid of drupal at this point and going another
way because I spend a lot of time on it because it needs updates twice a
week and I have better things to do. Not to mention the spam and security
concerns I have to deal with.

I also agree with Marc Verwerft that we need to define better what we want
from a tool like this.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] On Wheels

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi Pieter-Jan,

On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:15 AM, Pieter-Jan Pauwels 
pieter-jan.pauw...@okfn.org wrote:

 So before we start taking out the pitchforks and scream 'stop monetising
 crowdsourcing', let's us approach them in an inviting way. See if we can
 help them in any way and see what their endgame is. Maybe we'll not be able
 to help them in short term, but we'll have a friend organisation and new
 ambassadors in the long run.


No pitchforks here, my opinion is my personal one about a hypothetical
situation that has not happened yet and will most likely not happen.

I do think that ethics should be independent of ones dependency on funds or
business models. If planning out a business model would exempt me of all
ethics-related conderations then I think there is a bit of a problem.

That being said, it is possible that the collection of this kind of data
needs to facilitated better than we have done as an OSM-community, and if
the needed funding can only come from a business model that keeps the data
closed then so be it. But I don't believe that to be the case either.

I also think it's a bad option to keep my opinion to myself because it may
offend future partners. I hope we can cooperate with them even when they
know of my personal opinion about the matter. Mine may even be different
from our community-viewpoint.

I'm also not claiming that any of the above remarks apply to their (future)
way of doing things because I have never spoken to any of the people
involved. I'm just voicing my fear about the matter because we have never
been contacted and part of our community is try to collect exactly the same
data.

The obvious next step is to contact them and ask them how we can help them
improve open accesibility data. I think we can all agree on that! :-)

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] On Wheels

[Ben Abelshausen]

Good idea to invite them.

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Glenn Plas gl...@byte-consult.be wrote:

 Sure, I can email them if you create a task first ;-)


Done! :-)

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] On Wheels

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On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 5:30 AM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote:

 I assume everybody here knows that there is also an app based on osm :
 http://wheelmap.org/


Yes, I even tweeted it to them already. I hope they can cooperate with us
and let's hope focus is not on monetizing their crowd-sourced data. This
would be ethically very questionable in my view, especially when the topic
of accesibility is concerned.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016

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Hi,

We need to be careful not to burn up everybody and make sure we don't
overstep on what we can handle. There are still just about 5-8 people
willing to contribute in some way so I think it's risky to start doing too
much too soon.

I think it's a good idea to organize smaller mapping events, like mapping
parties, and then to go for organizing SOTM-2016. Having two
conferences/events may be a bit much. I think it's possible to submit a
proposal for SOTM-2016 and if it fails we can always try to organize
SOTM-EU (maybe with OSM-FR, I heard there have been some vague plans for
this) or SOTM-BE.

We should be able to finance this with only sponsors from the OSM-world as
has been done in the past. For sure if we get the venue from ULB. I think
our priority should be, apart from ongoing mapping parties and meetups, to
do this:

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_2016/Call_for_venues

And to talk about how/who/when as soon as possible. We can reuse all our
efforts and the same group of people that has submitted the proposal for
SOTM-EU or SOTM-BE.

I think we need to focus on a clear goal, and SOTM 2016 could be just what
we need!

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi,

Very ambitious, I like the idea lot! That being said I also have my doubts
but maybe that should not stop us of entertaining the idea. I also like
Julien's idea of doing a SOTM Belgium.

Anyway, you will have my full support in any of these initiatives. I also
think that if we would organize the global SOTM we can count on some
support from Open Belgium.

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi,

It's maybe a bit quick to start discussing details like this :-)

If we have won the SOTM-2016 bid we will get help from the OpenStreetMap
Foundation team dedicated to organizing this. We should put together all
the necessary details for the bid the rest we can do later.

There is no quarantee whatsoever we will win this bid. There was a great
proposal from Toronto last year, so I'm assuming they will try again this
year:


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Re: [OSM-talk-be] On Wheels

[Ben Abelshausen]

I attempted the same via twitter, got a reply but not very useful!

https://mobile.twitter.com/WheelsApp/status/566189163356360704

Maybe I should try again and ask for their data?

Cheers,

Ben

On Thursday, March 12, 2015, Sander Deryckere sander...@gmail.com wrote:

 Again in the media: http://onwheelsapp.com (see the VRT news f.e.)

 Too bad they seem to use a proprietary dataset to start from. The data is
 as such closed, and completely depends on the activity of the current team
 around it.

 Sigh

 (and yes, I did try to contact them some months ago, but never got a reply)





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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Call for Venues Open: State of the Map 2016

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Hi,

Thanks Pieter-Jan for keeping an eye on things as always! ;-)

On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 11:22 AM, Pieter-Jan Pauwels 
pieter-jan.pauw...@okfn.org wrote:

 One of the ideas for the next Open Belgium Conferences was even to have a
 specific main theme (eg. OSM) each year in stead of trying to cover every
 Open Knowledge aspect.


The more I think about this, the more I think we can do this. We can even
show we have experience organizing great events! ;-) We should try and
meetup with the OSM-people willing to help and setup a roadmap to submit a
proposal by the 16th of april. The fact that we are even considering this
is already a win for me!

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Re: [OSM-talk-be] Mapper of the month (cont'd)

[Ben Abelshausen]

Hi,

On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 12:16 AM, Pierre Parmentier 
pierrecparment...@gmail.com wrote:

 I explained why. I am not sure that the visibility of our organisation is
 optimal. Press releases in the name of an dedicated ASBL/VZW could give us
 more weight. Contacts with institutions could be more formal. For the
 contributors also, it could have some importance to have 'their' own
 circle. I refer also to the French example.


I agree that in some cases it may be better but with where we are now we
simply don't have enough resources to do this, in volunteers, funding and
time.

What there is now is, in my opinion ok for now. Once we get more people
involved we can reevaluate the situation. I'm also thinking about
submitting to become a local chapter of the OSMF. Maybe that will already
meet some of your expectations:

http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Local_Chapters

If everyone agrees, anyone willing to take this on? (With my help!)

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