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Re: [Talk-us] SotM in Brussels: Call for session proposals and Scholarship fund

2016-05-09 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hi Mikel--

Can you tell us about the program selection process? How will talk
proposals be evaluated and selected?

Thanks!
Kathleen

On Fri, May 6, 2016 at 8:24 PM, Mikel Maron  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm delighted to report that the planning for State of the Map 2016 is
> going well. We have now opened the call for session proposals. You have
> until Saturday 21st May to submit your idea.
>
> Please see:
>
> https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2016/04/19/propose-your-session-to-state-of-the-map-2016/
>
> We have also opened the scholarship programme. This has the same deadline
> so don't hesitate. The option is there if you need it so don’t let the cost
> of travel stand in your way!
>
>
> https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2016/04/25/we-want-you-at-state-of-the-map-apply-for-a-scholarship/
>
> Hope to see many of you in Brussels! :-)
>
> Best regards,
> Mikel
>
> p.s. There are still sponsorship opportunities should your ourganization
> want to support OSM via this route. If interested drop us a note.
>
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[OSM-talk] Membership deadline approaching for 2015 AGM

2015-10-11 Thread Kathleen Danielson

All:

This is an (unofficial) heads up that the 2015 Annual General Meeting (AGM)
of the OpenStreetMap Foundation will be held remotely on December 5th,
2015. At this meeting the membership of the Foundation will vote on the
open seats for the Board, along with any other pressing business. An
official announcement (including an agenda and voting items) for the
upcoming AGM will be sent to members of the Foundation at least 28 days in
advance of the meeting.

In order to be eligible to vote, all existing members must be paid up. Any
new members must have joined the Foundation 30 days or more prior to the
AGM [1]. This means that if you would like to be eligible to vote in the
upcoming election, you need to have joined [2] by November 5th.

If your current membership has lapsed, you will have recently received an
email notifying you of this. Remember to renew your membership if you would
like to remain a member of the Foundation and be eligible to vote. If you
are unsure of your membership status, send a note to
members...@osmfoundation.org asking about it.

Kind Regards,
Kathleen Danielson
Member, OpenStreetMap Foundation Board of Directors


[1] See Article 75. Right to Vote at General Meeting
http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association#VOTING_AT_GENERAL_MEETINGS

[2] https://join.osmfoundation.org/
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Re: [OSM-talk] discussion: inclusion and alcohol

2014-11-04 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hi Richard,

Thanks so much for sharing this piece. I'm actually friends with the author
and she's gotten really great feedback. I'm pleased to see it showing up in
our community.

I definitely think this is something we can be better about. As someone who
has helped organize SOTM-US in the past I think it's absolutely something
where we have room to improve. As an event organizer, I am 100% a part of
the problem, so I want to personally apologize to anyone who has felt
uncomfortable or less welcome at an event because of alcohol, and a lack of
ample non-alcoholic choices. We can do better.

That piece makes these points far better than I could, so I won't repeat
what we've read, but I think that the tech community (which OSM frequently
mirrors, in social respects), is slowly becoming more aware of the need to
make events more inclusive, and lessening the reliance on alcohol is one
important way to do that.

As an aside, since I am an American I cannot say whether this is just an
American problem. I will say that I also find many tech events in Berlin
are focused around alcohol, but perhaps the events I've attended have been
anomalies.

Best,
Kathleen

On Sat, Nov 1, 2014 at 11:05 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:

I read this article recently and It got me thinking. Do we devalue
community members, or potential community members who don't drink?

A quote from the article, When alcohol is currency, non-alcoholic
drinks are considered valueless, and the interests and needs of people
who don’t drink alcohol are easily forgotten.

Give it a read and let's talk. Can we do better in the ways that the
article suggests?

https://modelviewculture.com/pieces/alcohol-and-inclusivity-planning-tech-events-with-non-alcoholic-options

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Re: [OSM-talk] discussion: inclusion and alcohol

2014-11-04 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Do you think that we could take the conversation on alcohol consumption
statistics to a different forum? I don't think that's adding value to our
discussion of making sure that we aren't excluding folks who prefer not to
drink.

On Tue, Nov 4, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Oleksiy Muzalyev 
oleksiy.muzal...@bluewin.ch wrote:

  Here is the WHO (World Health Organization) statistics of *heavy
 episodic drinking among drinkers, males and females *[1] by country for
 2010. It is in the form of interactive graph (Requires Flash player).

 [1]
 http://www.who.int/gho/alcohol/consumption_patterns/heavy_episodic_drinkers/en/

 brgds
 Oleksiy

 On 04.11.2014 17:03, Elena ``of Valhalla'' wrote:

 ... levels of both binge-drinking and drunkenness ...



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Re: [OSM-talk] Postponing elections, or other alternatives (Was: Modus operandi of the board)

2014-10-28 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Frederik,

Thank you for your brainstorming on this topic. It's been very helpful.

I'm curious about whether the membership is interested in us pursuing some
kind of reboot. We've only heard a few voices on the topic, which has
made me reluctant to work on organizing anything that might go against the
membership's wishes. This is made a bit easier by the fact that any
resolution would still have to pass a vote, so even if we moved forward
with such an initiative it could only be enacted if a majority of us
actually wanted it.

It might be easier to decide in advance of the election whether or not this
is something we want to request from the board, simply because we'll all
have that much more information as we are electing the 3 new board members.

If this is something that you are interested in, and you are a member of
the OSMF (you can still join, I think), please chime in here,  or contact
me privately. We'll still need to work out the mechanics of a
recommendation, but if there is enough interest I'll help us get this
started.

On Oct 26, 2014 12:32 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:

 Hi,

I've raised the idea of postponing AGM and election with the board
 but it appears that there is no board majority for postponing/cancelling
 anything.

 Of course you or any other OSMF member is welcome to coordinate plans
 for members to make a (non-binding) recommendation about how they would
 like the board to proceed.

 I'll avoid the word 'resolution' here because a resolution is something
 that would be binding and have to be properly put on the invitation when
 the AGM was announced and it is too late for that.

 This would really need some champion from the membership drawing up some
 wording and getting the necessary support behind it. I find the whole
 thing interesting but personally I have taken a very explicit position
 in the whole affair and it would polarize too much if I were to
 spearhead a reboot effort.

 I guess the 100% proper and legal way would be to not rush anything into
 this AGM. Instead (and IANAL etc, just a reader of our AoA and Companies
 Act)

 1. Draw up a proposal for a reboot, for example saying that the whole
 board is sacked and re-elected and nobody with more than X years on the
 board is eligible.

 2. Find 26 OSMF members who like the idea. Or better 30. You need 5% of
 voters. This is complicated by the fact that you don't know who the
 voters are but if you fish among osmf-talk participants you have a good
 starting point.

 3. Write to the board requesting a general meeting as per the paragraphs
 I mentioned earlier, with the agenda consisting of the sole item of
 passing the drafted resolution. The board then has 21 days to announce
 that a general meeting takes place, and the meeting must take place
 between 14 and 28 days after that announcement. This means that the
 meeting will take place between 14 and 49 days after board receives your
 request.

 4. At the meeting, you'll then need a simple majority of all votes to
 get the resolution passed.

 That would create a binding resolution, and would also be the only way
 that works should individual board members refuse to comply. If on the
 other hand you can assume that all board members will support the
 effort, a simple declaration of intent by a large enough group of
 members could be sufficient. But if that intent should contain that the
 whole board is to quit and one member then were to refuse, the only way
 to force them would most likely be the above GM process.

 Bye
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Re: [OSM-talk] Postponing elections, or other alternatives (Was: Modus operandi of the board)

2014-10-28 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Christoph,

If you are concerned that something might seem harsh, perhaps you
shouldn't say it. I'm fairly certain you could have expressed your point
without telling me that I am opportunistically doing whatever the majority
wants.

What I am doing, in fact, is gathering information. I am working to see if
there is consensus to be built. I am asking if this is something that
others would like to see pursued. I think that people like Richard have
made the case for disbanding the board beautifully, and I don't think that
I would have much to add. In fact, since Richard specifically called me out
as a part of the new generation of leaders, it would seem rather
self-serving for me to fiercely campaign for it. I do have my own opinions
about what I think we should do. I've expressed some of them on these
lists. I see a lot of merit in the idea of restarting the board with a
fresh mandate, but it's complicated now that we have 3 seats to elect,
rather than 2-- perhaps we don't need to take such an extreme measure
anymore. However, the fact that the 3rd seat only opened up a few hours
before the window to announce candidacy closed makes this even more
complicated, because I feel confident that with more time it would have
changed the field of candidates. Finally, I would like to see an election
held again soon with a larger voting base, because the events of the past
two week or so have certainly made more people interested in voting who had
never been members before (like you, perhaps).

This is all quite complex. I am far less interested in being elected to the
board than I am interested in helping the OSM community. I decided to run
because of the trainwreck that we saw unfolding last week on this mailing
list. I only had another day or two to decide if I was going to run, and
that was the only thing I could think to do to help. I spent the last year
on the OSM-US board, so I certainly have the credentials for it. This
project is important. I can help. If the membership agrees that I can help
by being a member of the board, they will elect me in. Great. If not,
great-- I'll probably have lower blood pressure as a result. Still, I'm not
going to stop trying to help this community, because it is a project and a
group of people that I believe in.

This email isn't a part of my election campaign. It's just me, asking my
peers what they want, because maybe I am in a position to do something.




On Tue, Oct 28, 2014 at 10:16 AM, Christoph Hormann chris_horm...@gmx.de
wrote:

 On Tuesday 28 October 2014, Kathleen Danielson wrote:
 
  I'm curious about whether the membership is interested in us pursuing
  some kind of reboot. We've only heard a few voices on the topic,
  which has made me reluctant to work on organizing anything that might
  go against the membership's wishes.

 This is more or less why i added these questions to

 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Foundation/AGM14/Election_to_Board

 to encourange everyone - members and candidates - to make up their mind.

 To be frank - if you expect the OSMF members to have an opinion on the
 matter you should as an OSMF member yourself also have an opinion.
 People who have a clear stance on this will probably want to vote for
 someone who shares their opinion, not for someone who - i am sorry if
 this seems harsh - opportunistically will do whatever the majority
 wants.

 I fully understand if you or other candidates think you cannot (yet)
 form a qualified opinion on this but then i think you can't expect this
 from the membership either.

 Personally i would want to vote for someone who clearly states her/his
 support for a restart since i find the accounts of Richard, Frederik
 and others pretty convincing and supported by the observable facts
 about the OSMF work. I am well aware this would also involve the risk
 of the results being even worse than now (as for example indicated by
 Randy Meech).  But i am not an OSMF member so these thoughts are quite
 academic...

 Thanks by the way to you and the other candidates for answering the
 questions on the wiki.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Postponing elections, or other alternatives (Was: Modus operandi of the board)

2014-10-28 Thread Kathleen Danielson

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:56 PM, Kathleen Danielson
 kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote:
  Direct democracy is cumbersome and often lacks nuance,
  which is why it's so infrequently used. Representative democracies and
 their
  ilk are far more common simply because they are far more efficient.



Ouch. Never say that to our swiss friends ;-)


Having just talked this through with my Swiss coworker, I will concede that
that was a very US-centric view of political process :-)

I'll amend my statement to include the caveat that that's my certainly
culturally-biased opinion of what makes for efficient political process.
(To be fair to myself, I did study comparative politics, albeit at a US
university)

Thanks for keeping me honest ;-)
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[OSM-talk] Postponing elections, or other alternatives (Was: Modus operandi of the board)

2014-10-24 Thread Kathleen Danielson

As Paul said, leaving aside any merits of this (there are plenty of other
threads going on to discuss that), can we have some brainstorming on the
mechanics of how it might work?
There have been a few suggestions for ways to essentially reboot the
board, but I am not familiar enough with the bylaws/AoA to know how we
might go about doing it.

Is there *any* mechanism to put a new question to the full membership in
the upcoming election, or is it too late for that? I'm assuming we can't
postpone the coming election, but could we ask the electorate to vote to
hold another election in 3 months?

If not, can we come up with some ideas for a way outside the formal AGM
structure to essentially poll the full membership that could be seen as a
legitimate representation of their wishes?

Any other ideas are welcome, or anyone who is more familiar with the AoA,
please chime in. (I probably can't dive into them until this weekend)
On Oct 24, 2014 9:20 AM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:

 On Oct 23, 2014, at 03:00 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
 wrote:

 I think it is reasonable postpone elections for three months considering
 current turmoil.


 Leaving aside any question about the merits of this, I don't believe it is
 possible. Notice has been given of the AGM, and an election must be held at
 the AGM (AOA 31).

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Re: [OSM-talk] Postponing elections, or other alternatives (Was: Modus operandi of the board)

2014-10-24 Thread Kathleen Danielson

FWIW, I'm also wary of resolutions dictating how the board operates. I
think that a survey (or similar) is a good idea, but as Kate says, it
doesn't require a resolution. Direct democracy is cumbersome and often
lacks nuance, which is why it's so infrequently used. Representative
democracies and their ilk are far more common simply because they are far
more efficient.

If I'm understanding this correctly, in the next week or so, before proxy
voting begins, we could ask the board to make a decision to include a
nonbinding resolution or, essentially a good faith resolution on the
ballot. If that passes the board, it could be on the ballot, and give
direction to the newly elected board to take [some action]. If it were
voted in, the board wouldn't legally have to do [some action], but
hopefully would follow the wishes of the electorate.

Is that a fair reading of what you said, Frederik?

On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 5:29 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
wrote:


 On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 7:59 AM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:

 I actually don't think it makes sense for the membership to approach
 things by passing a bunch of resolutions requiring the board to do things.
 I think certainly a drastic resolution like dismantling the entire board
 and starting again is the type of resolution that would be something to
 come from the membership.

 Acting in the interest of the membership would be to conduct an annual
 survey and develop a vision. Though really that would be something that
 could happen as part of a fairly normal board strategic planning process.
 I'd view this as being approached simply through the matter of the new
 board finding common ground and better ways to approach the business of
 running the OSMF. Meaning maybe a survey isn't the best way to determine
 things, maybe there is another way. Rather than dictate the approach the
 board should be tasked with doing what is in the best interest of the
 organization. A part of this I would see as working with a facilitator and
 others to educate board members in what generally it means from a legal and
 operational standpoint to be on a board.


 My concern is that the Board will use it's perception of how OSM should
 operate without consulting the community. Or as a worst case, do nothing. A
 proper survey, with published results, not only helps the Board's decision
 gives us a framework for community discussions. We have many smart people
 that do not participate on the mailing lists. Getting their input will be
 difficult but we need to hear from as many people as possible. A survey
 does face the obstacles of language, cost, time and apathy.

 I applaud the use of a facilitator. As a former, and I might and really
 bad facilitator, their skills can help the Board reach good decisions. But
 even the best facilitator can't help if there isn't good data for the
 decisions.

 Lastly, it is still the Boards responsibility to make good decisions. They
 may not always agree with the community, for example, diversity, but the
 Board should be expected to do the right thing and to explain why they did.


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Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Modus operandi of the board

2014-10-23 Thread Kathleen Danielson



 There has been some discussion between Michael, the board and myself on
 changing the inner workings of the OSMF a bit which potentially could
 address some of the remaining issues, however these are at a very early
 discussion stage.


Simon, would you care to shed light on this? This seems like a good time to
bring conversation out into the open, so that the community can give input,
rather than waiting until things have already been decided. The deadline
for someone to announce their candidacy is in just over 12 hours, so today
is rather critical for OSMF. I would hate for something to come out in a
day or a week that could have compelled someone to run.

Speaking of timelines, I'd like to register my disappointment that it
wasn't made more obviously known that the deadline has already passed to
join the foundation to be eligible to vote in the upcoming election [1]. I
certainly understand why the 30 day rule is in place, but we talk about how
few community members are actually OSMF members, and yet the AGM wasn't
formally announced until *yesterday*, [2] only 17 days in advance. I also
absolutely understand the challenges around scheduling at conferences, but
I wasn't aware of this rule, and I think it's fair to assume many other
people weren't as well.  By failing to publicize this important deadline to
the larger community, a key opportunity has been lost to increase the
membership as well as to hear the voices of more community members in our
annual election. To me, this communicates either satisfaction with the
status quo (why expand the voting base if we're happy with how elections
have gone in the past?), or simply apathy. Both are disappointing.

There is still quite a bit that I want to say in response to the messages
of the past few days, but it's taking me some time to formulate the bulk of
my thoughts. That said, I would like to voice my support for Richard's
suggestion that the full board step down. I hope most of them will stand
for re-election, but I think we've heard that whichever 2 people we elect
are likely to be burnt out and sapped of whatever energy they have going
into the election. Don't think that I don't understand the challenge that
comes with the potential loss of institutional memory. It's something we've
discussed many times on the OSM-US board. I do think that it's a drastic
option, but I can't see anything short of a drastic option making a
substantial difference. If the past few days have taught us anything, it's
that the OSMF is fundamentally broken and doesn't have the energy needed to
fix that. This project can and should be able to and *has* done great
things, but it could be so much more. No, we don't always agree with what
more means, but with a governing body (which is what OSMF is, even if
that isn't made explicit) that cannot accomplish things, we're not going to
see any version of more.

Yes, I've decided to stand for election, and no, I don't expect my view to
make me particularly popular (or electable), but I truly care about this
project, and I want to see our community become a healthy one. I think a
shakeup in leadership could help us get there.

[1]
http://www.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Articles_of_Association#VOTING_AT_GENERAL_MEETINGS
(see
item 75)
[2]
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osmf-announce/2014-October/12.html
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Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Modus operandi of the board

2014-10-23 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Sorry-- looks like I forgot to copy the whole list.

On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 3:37 PM, Kathleen Danielson 
kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Frederik,

 You've got a few really interesting ideas in here. Some quick questions:

 On Thu, Oct 23, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org
 wrote:

 Hi,

 On 10/23/2014 01:25 PM, Richard Fairhurst wrote:
  Absolutely no force required. I would hope that the existing board
  members would recognise the virtue of a fresh mandate and a clean start.

 A radical step, but I like it. I'd be more than happy to withdraw my
 candidacy if there was a spirit of rebooting. We wouldn't even need
 seven new candidates; we could simply elect a few and they could then
 add new un-elected board members as they like (article 79 in the AoA).


 I really like this idea, although, as I acknowledged earlier, I definitely
 know there are some challenges.




 Instead of rushing through such an unprecedented measure, we could also
 do it in a more orderly fashion: Have this year's AGM decide that the
 board should prepare to resign altogether at the next AGM, and prepare
 the election of a full new board. This event would then be known long in
 advance and people would have time to prepare their bids for a seat on
 the rebooted body. Independent of the actual legal powers of the AGM,
 certainly no board member could ignore such an express declaration by
 the very people they're serving.


 What if we had some sort of compromise, and we asked the membership if we
 could hold another AGM in 3 months, followed 2 weeks (or so) later by an
 election? We've already talked about decoupling it from SOTM, and given
 what a global project it is, it's unrealistic to expect a majority of
 voting members to be able to attend SOTM. I haven't checked the bylaws, but
 I would guess there's no rule against having *more* than one AGM per year.
 OSM-US has started holding our AGMs remotely. I'm sure other groups do as
 well.

 If we did a 3 month time scale, we still wouldn't be making rash
 decisions, but we would have more chance of maintaining the momentum we've
 seen over the past month or so. The current board could also focus energy
 on preparing things so that there can be a smooth transition, even if there
 is high turnover in the board.



 Another thing, while we're throwing doors wide open. In many political
 systems around the world, the electorate doesn't elect a group of people
 with wildly different goals. Instead, people form parties and the
 electorate decides for a party, and the party will then form the
 government. (Grossly simplifying, I know.) That way, people in
 government have to fight each other to a much lesser degree than they
 would if government were comprised of people following different
 political views and goals.

 By appointing seven directors individually, on the one hand we have the
 advantage that they can keep each other in check; we, as the electorate,
 don't have to be super careful, if we elect someone who's incompetent or
 a kleptomaniac, the others on the board will hopefully notice and fix it
 somehow. On the other hand, there's the danger of seeding the board with
 a couple of difficult personalities that make life hard and reduce
 productiveness for the rest of them.

 Should we perhaps vote for teams? Just like a team can assemble and
 bid for holding a SotM, should we allow a team to bid for being the OSMF
 board for a year?


 This is a really fun idea. I'm not sure if I agree with it, but I LOVE the
 creative thinking for the organization of OSMF.




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Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] Modus operandi of the board

2014-10-21 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hi Richard,

I think you're right to post this here. While it is a matter of how the
foundation board functions and pertains specifically to the election, I
think that it would be preferable to have this discussion in a more open
forum. I replied to the post in the osmf-talk list, but I'm reposting my
reply in its entirety here, and I'll ask that people move conversation
here.

Hi Sarah,

Thanks for highlighting Frederik's manifesto. I have to agree that it sheds
some pretty bad light on how the board operates.

I'll shy away from making any allegations of illegality because I know how
difficult it can be to keep up with the paperwork in a tiny volunteer-run
organization. Personally, I'm inclined to give the board the benefit of the
doubt in terms of membership or financial information. I suspect that had
to do with bandwidth, rather than secretive intent. As well, I can
understand the aversion to having meeting minutes taken verbatim. The
OSM-US board had several heated discussions over the last year while I was
a member and I was glad to have a place for private discussion before we
published our minutes/blog posts/etc.

Still, you raise a very important point:

Reading this manifesto indicates that there is little point in standing for
 election as there is nothing but frustration to achieve in the board.


The OSMF board sounds like an emotionally exhausting and draining body. I
can wholly empathize, but it's still a problem. Personally, I'm a bit less
interested in all of the current board members answering for Frederik's
take on the group, and more interested in what we (as members) can do to
make it a more functional place. It seems to me that we (generally
speaking) enjoy complaining that the board doesn't do anything, to which we
generally hear the response that the board's mandate is intentionally
narrow, and yet this little glimpse into what's going on in there gives a
fairly stark view of the climate each of our board members are working
within. In a situation such as that, how can you be expected to take on
much else? Who has the energy to deal with diversity initiatives, for
example, when everything is seen as so political?

Perhaps instead of the purpose of the board being too small, it's in fact
too large-- maybe they need more support in the administrative workings.
I'm reluctant to suggest more working groups, but finding some other
mechanism for support that would free up the board to be more creative
might be helpful. Maybe it's a matter of finding ways to test out new ideas
in a less risky environment, meaning we as a membership need to encourage
more experimentation and be more forgiving of failure.

None of these are cure-alls (and some of them are probably horrific ideas),
but it seems to me that yes, we want to elect passionate, excited people to
our board, but just doing that isn't enough. We need to elect these people
*and* make the structural changes that will help them be successful.
Without that, we're going to keep burning out our board members, and I
can't see us getting much done that way.

Best,
Kathleen

On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 11:38 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.net
wrote:

 [this was originally posted to osmf-talk; I'm not a member of OSMF so
 can't reply to it there. I'm also breaking my self-imposed discipline of
 not posting to the talk@ list for this, but I figure it's important]

 Sarah Hoffman wrote:

 while checking the candidate list for the upcoming board elections, I came
 across Frederik's maifesto here:

 https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Frederik_Ramm/
 2014_OSMF_Board_Elections_Manifesto

 This sheds some rather bad light on how the board operates, indicating
 that
 some of the practises border on the illigal. I understand that this is the
 individual opinion of a single board member but I believe it is important
 that such accusations are discussed because I don't see how the board can
 operate efficiently otherwise. It is even more important in the light of
 the upcoming elections. Reading this manifesto indicates that there is
 little point in standing for election as there is nothing but frustration
 to achieve in the board.


 As a former board member, I would concur with Frederik's posting which
 tallies with my unhappy experience on the board.

 It is clear, I'm afraid, that the OSMF board is broken. Plenty of people
 know this privately but it hasn't been admitted publicly. We should stop
 pretending.

 There are some really smart people in this project and it's sad that most
 have chosen to involve themselves in their local organisations rather than
 OSMF (I'm thinking particularly the US and France here). I have no personal
 animus against the current board - quite the opposite, they're lovely
 people - but it's clear it isn't working. (And I take my share of
 responsibility as a one-time board member for failing to fix it.)

 I would like to see:

 - the whole board stand down in advance of this election;
 - now and in the

Re: [Talk-us] OSM10B Tulsa

2014-08-10 Thread Kathleen Danielson

A decade of OSM deserves more than a single day of celebration anyway!  ;-)
On Aug 9, 2014 7:24 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:

 Tulsa's 10th anniversary party is being postponed, probably one or two
 weeks, due to venue unavailability.  Code for America is helping organize
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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Code of Conduct (was 'Data Working Group (DWG) and Imports')

2014-06-02 Thread Kathleen Danielson

(Needless to say, others who have thoughts on this should feel free to
chime in-- no need to wait for me, of course!)

On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 7:38 AM, Kathleen Danielson
kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote:

Simply starting a new thread here to discuss implementing a Code of
Conduct in our community, as suggested by Clifford (and many others before
him).

I haven't got time at the moment to share my full thoughts, but I wanted
to create a separate place to discuss this specific proposal. I'll chime in
as soon as I'm able.

All the best from Berlin,
Kathleen
On Jun 2, 2014 4:22 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote:

Two recent events seem to have gone beyond reasonable discourse. The
Dutch address imports and the addition of 5 US Bike Routes (USBR.)
Unfortunately, these are not isolated instances. The mailing lists
discussions have spiraled down to include personal attacks. I've chosen to
use the subject DWG and Imports because these two subjects seem to end up
with heated discussions. The OSM community can do better. I'd like to
propose the following:

1. Adopt a Code of Conduct. The wiki has a draft proposal [1] for a Code
of Conduct. Let's dust this off, approve it, and live by it. (HOT has a
Code of Conduct [2] we could consult for revision of the draft.)

2. Last year the DWG proposed clarifying the Import Guidelines. [3] Let's
organize a group of volunteers (because that's all we have) to review and
revise the import guidelines. The makeup of the group should include people
from different countries as well as a representative from the DWG. Until
these guidelines are revised, let's use the existing guidelines.

3. The DWG should regularly report back to the community with data
indicating the type of problems they encounter. That data should be made
available to the Import Guidelines committee that I'm proposing. As a
community we should be making decision, when possible, with good data. I
strongly encourage the DWG to update their OSMF Tasks to include data based
decisions making.

I'd like to hear back from other that would like to see some positive
change and would be willing to help.

[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Community_Code_of_Conduct_(Draft)
[2]
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:HOT_Membership_Code--proposal_for_annual_meeting_2014.pdf
[3] http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/w/images/9/99/DWG_Plan_2013.pdf

Clifford

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Re: [OSM-talk] OSM Code of Conduct

2014-06-02 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hi Frederik,

I think that we can do both, albeit separately.

I agree that our CoC can be similar to other organization's, but I want to
be sure that our CoC doesn't get diluted or overlooked in the process, so I
definitely don't think they should be the same thing.

As strange as it sounds, even just a set of rules saying be a nice person
need to be well thought through and can be surprisingly controversial. I'd
rather let them be their own entity and have another document that lays out
mapping guidelines.

Would you object to us pursuing these goals separately? It's not that they
aren't both important, just that I can seem them getting in the way of each
other.

Cheers,
Kathleen


On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 4:13 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:

 Hi,

 On 06/02/2014 07:38 AM, Kathleen Danielson wrote:
  Simply starting a new thread here to discuss implementing a Code of
  Conduct in our community

 I think we should extend this a bit, and instead of having a Code of
 Conduct we shold have a document that says How to be a good mapper.
 This would include the standard elements of a code of conduct - e.g.
 about courtesy, respect, and methods of conflict resolution - but it
 would also attempt to transport some of our core values.

 A pure Code of Conduct is mostly interchangeable, and there's no real
 reason why ours would have to be different than anybody else's. What I'd
 like to see is a document that doesn't say how to be a nice person in
 general but how to make a valuable contribution to our common goal.

 There are lots of rules, many un-written, that would make sense to
 collect in one place. The old talk about not mapping for the renderer;
 the on-the-ground rule, the demand for verifiability, or specific
 rules like don't start an edit war, use changeset comments when your
 edits are bound to raise eyebrows, etc; many of these rules are also not
 hard and fast but just something that will generally be expected of
 you. It would be probably be very helpful for new mappers to have a
 chance to look at this.

 Bye
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Re: [OSM-talk] Data Working Group (DWG) and Imports

2014-06-01 Thread Kathleen Danielson

These are excellent, constructive suggestions. Thank you so much,
Clifford, for taking the time to make them.

There's much work to be done, and I agree wholeheartedly that the OSM
community can do better.

I'll start another thread to discuss a community-wide CoC.
On Jun 2, 2014 4:22 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote:

Two recent events seem to have gone beyond reasonable discourse. The Dutch
address imports and the addition of 5 US Bike Routes (USBR.)
Unfortunately, these are not isolated instances. The mailing lists
discussions have spiraled down to include personal attacks. I've chosen to
use the subject DWG and Imports because these two subjects seem to end up
with heated discussions. The OSM community can do better. I'd like to
propose the following:

I'd like to hear back from other that would like to see some positive
change and would be willing to help.

Clifford

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[OSM-talk] OSM Code of Conduct (was 'Data Working Group (DWG) and Imports')

2014-06-01 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Simply starting a new thread here to discuss implementing a Code of Conduct
in our community, as suggested by Clifford (and many others before him).

I haven't got time at the moment to share my full thoughts, but I wanted to
create a separate place to discuss this specific proposal. I'll chime in as
soon as I'm able.

All the best from Berlin,
Kathleen
On Jun 2, 2014 4:22 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote:

Two recent events seem to have gone beyond reasonable discourse. The Dutch
address imports and the addition of 5 US Bike Routes (USBR.)
Unfortunately, these are not isolated instances. The mailing lists
discussions have spiraled down to include personal attacks. I've chosen to
use the subject DWG and Imports because these two subjects seem to end up
with heated discussions. The OSM community can do better. I'd like to
propose the following:

I'd like to hear back from other that would like to see some positive
change and would be willing to help.

Clifford

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Re: [Talk-us] Telenav goes OSM with Scout

2014-05-20 Thread Kathleen Danielson

How exciting! Congratulations Martijn, Steve, Kristen and all the other
OSMers at Telenav!




On Tue, May 20, 2014 at 8:30 AM, Martijn van Exel marti...@telenav.comwrote:

 Hi all,

 At Telenav we have started making the switch to OSM today, as you may have
 seen around the web and twitter.

 I am really excited about this, not only because I have been working at
 Telenav for the past two years to help make this happen, but also because
 the project that I have been a proud contributor to for all these years has
 finally reached a stage where this is now possible.

 What does this mean for you? Well first and foremost, you can now use
 Scout, a commercial grade navigation app that is used by tons of people
 every day, to get around, knowing that it is powered by your favorite map.
 The iOS version is undergoing the OSM switch right now, the Android version
 will switch in June.

 As an OSM contributor, you will of course start noticing that your OSM
 edits will make it into Scout. Not right away, like the map on osm.org;
 we currently update our maps every two weeks. That will get better as we
 get more comfortable with the rapid update cycles. Also, not all OSM edits
 make it into Scout. Most importantly, Scout search results are not powered
 by OSM yet. This is likely to change in the future, but I don’t know when
 yet.

 We have done a good chunk of work improving OSM to be ready for this,
 mostly in the very same way everyone here improves the map: by opening up
 our favorite editors and manually editing the data[1]. But also by
 analyzing the data and pointing out errors, which we have started to feed
 to MapRoulette. Speaking of which, I have had the opportunity to work on
 MapRoulette quite a bit, as well as other smaller  things such as the
 Battle Grid, Relation Pages and Brave Mappers. I mostly hear these things
 are useful, and we value all your feedback enormously as we think of more
 ways to support the project.

 But more than anything really I want to say thank you! Thank you first and
 foremost for being the great mapping community that makes OpenStreetMap
 what it is - not only the best map of the world, but also a place to make
 friends and have fun. And thank you for being patient with us. Along the
 way, we have at times bombarded this list with questions and suggestions on
 how to improve certain aspects of OSM, and we have relied on your wisdom to
 help us make sane decisions in our efforts to improve OSM.

 This process surely does not end with today’s switch - if anything, we’re
 just getting started. There is a lot more we can do to help improve the
 map, especially now that we are getting so many eyes on it. And there is
 probably a lot more to learn for us along the way. I am looking forward to
 it.

 Drop me a line if you have any questions or comments, or to let me know
 your experience with Scout. Looking forward to hearing from you!

 Martijn

 [1] See my colleague Kristen talk more about that in her SOTM US talk:
 http://stateofthemap.us/session/telenav-osm-editing-experiences/

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Re: [OSM-talk] State of the Map US videos are now all available

2014-04-18 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Will Skora has been collecting them here:
http://skorasaurus.github.io/sotmus2014/


On Fri, Apr 18, 2014 at 3:06 AM, Andreas Labres l...@lab.at wrote:

 On 16.04.14 01:50, Andreas Labres wrote:
  I've collected a list of the videos in the wiki:
 
 http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_U.S._2014/Video_recordings

 Are there some more slides available? somewhere? somehow?

 Please tell me or update the wiki page. Tnx!

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Re: [OSM-talk] local chapter DWG

2014-04-14 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Manning, I think this is a great idea. It would be great to give local
communities even more ownership over the map/data in their area.


On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 7:57 AM, maning sambale
emmanuel.samb...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dear everyone,

 This is a thorny issue bit will ask anyway. ;)

 Not very often, but we do encounter questionable contributions.
 Normally, local mappers would contact the specific contributor  to
 explain and provide guidance.  But in some cases, these messages were
 ignored and the contributor continues to do questionable edits.

 There is a DWG [0] to resolve such issue.  We do understand that DWG
 members are volunteers like most of us and local issues might not get
 attention immediately.  I would like to discuss the possibility for
 our local chapter/community to form our own sort of DWG where we can
 address local concerns/disputes.

 We have a few active and trusted volunteers who can discuss and
 resolve such issues.  But in rare occasions we think we should have
 the rights to do temporary blocks within our local areas.

 [0] wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Data_working_group
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Re: [OSM-talk] No new information on the SOTM since January 2014

2014-04-05 Thread Kathleen Danielson

On Apr 5, 2014 9:15 AM, Matt Amos zerebub...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Fri, Apr 4, 2014 at 10:32 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:
  SOTM EU and US, combined with the OSMF focus on being more of a
theoretical body have reduced the profit and motivation in doing a SOTM to
approximately zero. I hope it still happens, but I'd be surprised.

 it wasn't so long ago [1] that people were writing they'd heard
 comments that OSM had been devised by Steve as a way to make a heap
 of money from other peoples' effort, and there was recurring
 criticism that he was behaving in some sort of sinister way. so it's
 saddening, and not a little hypocritical, for steve to come out with
 the same sorts of evil board conspiracy theories now.

Matt,

Steve was merely expressing his doubt that the conference would come
together. He cast no aspersions on the Board that I could see and just
described the landscape of conferences as he sees it. Suggesting that this
is somehow a conspiracy theory is a stretch, and seems like you're just
looking for an excuse to dump on Steve.

Feel free to respectfully disagree with Steve, me, or anyone on these
threads,  but calling someone hypocritical is unkind and unproductive.

Everyone-- please keep all comments on these mailing lists respectful of
all of your fellow community members. They are one of our main
communication channels and if they aren't a safe space for collaboration
and discussion then we're depriving ourselves of our greatest asset: each
other.

Kathleen


 the truth, as always, is more prosaic: back in September 2013, the
 SOTM working group reported The time of one state of the map (and
 therefore all the sponsors) is over, so we need to think about the
 role in the conference(s) in funding the operations of the OSMF and
 server system. Previously it has been our main annual source of
 income. [2]. as a result, other funding options were explored, and
 the board minuted The OSMF funding model for 2014 and beyond is based
 on a combined model  OSMF organised conferences (State Of The Map)
 should continue to be at least self-financing. [3] in response.

 the suggestion that the SOTM working group members are not motivated
 is a new one to me. the last report from SOTM working group itself [4]
 did not say anything of the sort. if any of them are reading this and
 are feeling unable to continue, then - please! - let us know. i'm sure
 alternative plans can be made, and i understand how hard it is to push
 through to finishing something which has sapped all of your energy
 (see the license change saga).

 so, did OSMF reduce the profitability of SOTM - no. did OSMF reduce
 the motivation of SOTM organisers - no. i, also, hope that SOTM
 happens, and i hope it is very successful.

 OSMF working groups are made up of members of the community - like
 yourself - and if you feel strongly about some issues then i urge you
 to offer your assistance to a working group, or join one. the OSMF
 board is democratically elected and, although it's a lot of work, you
 might consider running at the next AGM (iirc, at SOTM14).

 cheers,

 matt

 (opinions above are solely my own except for quotations drawn from the
 sources below)

 [1]
https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/legal-talk/2007-March/000217.html
 [2]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1EZHwUhWoRJ__DzmIW-FgzEKktji9AZQ1K_UDFx_PXrc/pub
 [3] http://wiki.osmfoundation.org/wiki/Board_Meeting_Minutes_2013-12-10
 [4]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1LVGogPGbFT88bfNY1MpK5PRZA9qi1Ys6QFz0Cl7OYcY/pub

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Re: [OSM-talk] Crimea/Russia/Ukraine Borders

2014-03-18 Thread Kathleen Danielson

I don't think anyone was starting a flamewar. Clifford just asked about the
process you alluded to.


On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 11:39 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.comwrote:

 The DWG has an OSMF approved process for handling political disputes.
 There's no reason to start a flamewar about this.

 - Serge

 On Tue, Mar 18, 2014 at 11:28 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
 wrote:
  I'm curious how OSM handles this dispute. I expect Russia's parliament
  ratify the annexation and I expect that Ukraine will continue to
 disagree.
  Do we have a documented process in place to determine when the border is
  changed? I couldn't find anything on the wiki after a quick search. If
 it is
  documented, can someone please point it out to me? We have a disputes
 page
  which is fine for handling disputes. I'm looking for the process for
  determining when we all agree that a border should be changed.
 
  Please, let's not get hung up on if you agree or disagree with the
  annexation.
 
  Thanks,
  Clifford
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[OSM-talk] OKFestival in Berlin-- anyone proposing a session?

2014-03-06 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hi Everyone,

I just ran across the Open Knowledge Festival http://2014.okfestival.org/,
which is happening in Berlin, July 15-17. Are people planning to (or have
you already) submitted OpenStreetMap sessions? I will probably be
submitting a session proposal or two.

KD
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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM EU (yes, EU)

2014-03-03 Thread Kathleen Danielson

I will be there for (almost) sure! I'm planning to submit a talk, but
haven't decided what yet.


On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

 Hi all,

 I know we're getting really close to SOTM US (only 5 weeks! check out
 the program and registration details at stateofthemap.us) I wanted to
 draw your attention to SOTM EU which is happening in Karlsruhe,
 Germany in June. A great opportunity to connect with the European OSM
 community! There's still a couple weeks to send in talk submissions,
 too - anyone interested in doing a 'state of the US' talk?

 Here's the web site with all the info: http://sotm-eu.org/
 --
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[OSM-talk] State of the Map US update - schedule is up

2014-02-27 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hi all,

SOTM US 2014 is shaping up! The schedule is out now --
http://stateofthemap.us/schedule/
and we also have a blog post with some more info over at
openstreetmap.us:
http://openstreetmap.us/2014/02/stateofthemap-us-schedule/

If you haven't registered yet, this is a great time to do it, and plan
your travel. We have a discounted hotel room deal with the Washington
Plaza that is pretty nice, but you need to book before *Mar 11*:
http://openstreetmap.us/2014/02/hotel-discount-dc/. We also have a
wiki page on the osm.org wiki with sections for ride / room sharing:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_U.S._2014

I'm looking forward to seeing many of you in person at SOTM US 2014 :)

Best,
Kathleen
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Re: [Talk-it] [Talk-it-lazio] OSM Meetup in Rome

2014-02-04 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Looking forward to it!
On Feb 4, 2014 10:19 AM, Fabri erfab...@gmail.com wrote:

 Good news! The public transport strike has been postponed.

 http://muovi.roma.it/news/dettaglio/1/32029?nav=1

 See you @eataly tomorrow?


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Re: [Talk-us] Meetup group sponsorship

2014-02-01 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Thanks, Steve and Telenav! This is really great!
On Feb 1, 2014 5:49 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:

 Hi

 Do you have a meetup.com group primary for running OSM events within the
 United States?

 Have you organized two or more events in the last 6 months?

 If you can answer yes to these two questions then Telenav would like to
 help fund your meetup.com costs; please drop me a line at
 ste...@telenav.com

 Thanks

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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap @Fosdem 2014

2014-01-28 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Will there be any OSM talks at FOSDEM? I didn't see any on the schedule,
but I could have missed them.

If there are enough OSM folks attending it would be nice to have a mini-OSM
meetup.

Looking forward to seeing some of you there!

Kathleen
On Jan 5, 2014 1:53 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I will be there, but I'll be spending more time listening to talks than
 previous years this time. You can count on me for a few hours at the stand
 too.

 Polyglot


 2013/12/22 Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com

 Great! Will there be a sizeable OSM contingent at FOSDEM?


 On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 4:30 AM, RatZilla$ ratzil...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 We just receive confirmation from the FOSDEM  Team for a stand.

 FOSDEM is the Free Open Source Developers European Meeting.

 Feel free to join us to show our work and see other Floss communities
 hacks in Brussels 1  2 February 2014.

 More details here: https://fosdem.org/2014/

 Gaël
 

 Nous avons reçu la confirmation des organisateurs du FOSDEM d'un stand
 pour OSM les 1er et  2février 2014. Au plaisir de vous y voir pour échanger
 avec d'autres communautés du Libre.

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[Talk-de] Meetup in Berlin February 8-11?

2014-01-26 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hello!

(My apologies for the message in English!)

I am an OpenStreetMapper in the US (I'm actually the Treasurer of OSM-US)
and I will be in Berlin on vacation on 8 - 11 February. I was wondering if
there were any mappers in Berlin who might be interested in meeting up?

I'd love a chance to meet and enjoy some #geobeer!

I don't mean to co-opt the talk-de list, so perhaps someone can point me
toward a Berlin-specific forum?

Kind Regards,
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Re: [Talk-de] Meetup in Berlin February 8-11?

2014-01-26 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Ah-- thank you for sending along these resources!

Best,
Kathleen


On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 11:56 AM, Michael Reichert naka...@gmx.net wrote:

 -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
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 Hello,

 Am 26.01.2014 17:22, schrieb Kathleen Danielson:
  I am an OpenStreetMapper in the US (I'm actually the Treasurer of
  OSM-US) and I will be in Berlin on vacation on 8 - 11 February. I
  was wondering if there were any mappers in Berlin who might be
  interested in meeting up?

 There is a local OSM group for Berlin and the state of Brandenburg. I
 do not belong to them but as their wiki page says they meet at the
 second Friday in even months and at the second Thursday in odd months.
 The next meetings would be at February 14 and March 13

 in German: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Berlin/Stammtisch

 They also have a mailing list:
 http://lists.openstreetmap.de/mailman/listinfo/berlin

 Best regards from Karlsruhe where SOTM-EU will be in June,

 Michael
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Re: [Talk-us] Local user groups

2014-01-22 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Surprising probably no one, I have a lot of thoughts on this topic, so I've
been watching this conversation with interest.

Not to toot my own horn, but I gave a talk on this very subject at SOTM US
2013, which you can watch here:
http://vimeopro.com/openstreetmapus/state-of-the-map-us-2013/video/68098498

Among my key points is my intense loyalty to Meetup (I understand the
reservations, but it *just works*). I also have some recommendations around
how to structure such a group, and how to keep yourself from burning out.

I'll have more to say soon, but here's the main thing I want to say: No
matter what anyone tells you, or what you tell yourself, this isn't an easy
task, so don't get down on yourself if your local community seems to be
struggling. Community is hard. You're doing great.

More Soon,
KD


On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 11:37 AM, Martijn van Exel mart...@openstreetmap.us
 wrote:

 I dislike relying on volatile third party services as much as the next
 person, but:
 * As stated before, it does get you unparalleled exposure outside of
 the regular channels, targeted at people actively looking to explore
 new interests / meet new people. Sure, many of these folks may just be
 grazing and will not turn into long term contributors, but some of
 them may, and we need both dedicated and casual contributors.
 * Setting up our own thing requires resources (time and commitment)
 that is hard to come by in a volunteer run organization with lots of
 other things on their minds.
 * Meetup is pretty well established, and if it were to go away, it
 would be pretty straightforward to take our business elsewhere.

 I second Richard's and Clifford's observation that in terms of growing
 a local community, there is really no perfect script, and the most
 important ingredient is not any single tool or design or words, it's
 perseverance. After two years I still have meet ups here in SLC with 2
 or three people attending, but sometimes it's more, and I get new
 folks from time to time, and that keeps me motivated. I make sure that
 our meetup group always shows a next event with a time and place (I
 have two monthly recurring events: Geobeers and Saturday Mapternoon.)
 I believe that helps.

 If there is one single piece of technology I would like to invest some
 time in, it would be an automaton to grab the new user feed from
 http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/newestosm.php for a given area and send
 them an OSM message tailored to the area (announcing next meetup or
 something). Anyone done anything like that already we can reuse?

 Martijn

 On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 9:10 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
 wrote:
 
  On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 4:59 AM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com
 wrote:
 
The publicity aspect of Meetup really gets people to your events.
  Though i wonder if these people are the long term contributors to OSM
 that
  we want.
 
 
  It is in part a numbers game. Only a small percentage will become regular
  mappers and of that only a small percentage will become uber mappers.
  Certainly the planning for and running the event can positively impact
 those
  numbers. Something cause people to sign up for an event. Hopefully the
  people they meet and the satisfaction of mapping will appeal to them.
 
  BTW - I don't have the right script yet either. I just keep blindly
  trying! The bad thing is that even if you do have the perfect meeting,
 you
  don't know until much later if it worked.
 
  But Meetup also creates an awareness to OSM. People just looking for a
  group, will see our Meetups. They may not join, but they see
 OpenStreetMap.
 
 
 
  --
  Clifford
  @osm_seattle
  OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch
 
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[Talk-it] OSM Meetup in Rome

2014-01-18 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hello OSM Friends!

(My apologies for the message in English!)

I am an OpenStreetMapper in the US (I'm actually the Treasurer of OSM-US)
and I will be in Rome on vacation on 4 - 7 February. I was wondering if
there were any mappers in Rome who might be interested in meeting up?

I'd love a chance to meet you and share a beer or a bottle of wine!

Kind Regards,
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[OSM-talk] Mark Your Calendars: Winter #Editathon Jan 18-19

2014-01-06 Thread Kathleen Danielson

By now you've seen calls for locations and organizer prep, but here it is--
the official Winter #Editathon announcement!

The weekend of January 18th and 19th we'll be gathering in homes, offices,
coffeeshops, and more across the US to work on improving OSM. You can work
on editing whatever you what-- the only rule is to include #editathon in
all of your changeset comments.

Read more on the OSM US blog [1] and if your city isn't listed, go ahead
and add it to the wiki [2].

Curious about what and #editathon is, and why we have them? Check out
Alex's blog post[3] from this summer to learn more!

Happy Editing!

Kathleen

[1] http://openstreetmap.us/2014/01/january-winter-editathon/
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_Winter_Editathon_2014
[3] http://openstreetmap.us/2013/07/why-editathons/
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[Talk-us] Winter #editathon planning

2014-01-06 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hi All,

In case you haven't already seen it, we've got a great lineup of events for
the 2014 winter #editathon happening in less than two weeks[1]. I wanted to
send a note to remind everyone about the event and also put out a call to
organizers because we've got some great resources we'd like to share with
you.

I'm planning on hosting a Google/IRC/smoke signal hangout in the next few
days to help organizers get the most out of the event and make sure
everyone has the resources they need. What this means is that if you've
listed yourself as the contact person on the wiki for the event, you should
expect an email from me in the next day or so.

If you haven't added your city to the list of events yet, or if you're on
the fence about it, feel free to reach out-- I'd love to help you decide if
you should host an event and figure out how to get started.

Stay warm out there!
Kathleen

[1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_Winter_Editathon_2014
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[Talk-us] Mark Your Calendars: Winter #Editathon Jan 18-19

2014-01-06 Thread Kathleen Danielson

By now you've seen calls for locations and organizer prep, but here it is--
the official Winter #Editathon announcement!

The weekend of January 18th and 19th we'll be gathering in homes, offices,
coffeeshops, and more across the US to work on improving OSM. You can work
on editing whatever you what-- the only rule is to include #editathon in
all of your changeset comments.

Read more on the OSM US blog [1] and if your city isn't listed, go ahead
and add it to the wiki [2].

Curious about what and #editathon is, and why we have them? Check out
Alex's blog post[3] from this summer to learn more!

Happy Editing!

Kathleen

[1] http://openstreetmap.us/2014/01/january-winter-editathon/
[2] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_Winter_Editathon_2014
[3] http://openstreetmap.us/2013/07/why-editathons/
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Re: [OSM-talk] OpenStreetMap @Fosdem 2014

2013-12-22 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Great! Will there be a sizeable OSM contingent at FOSDEM?


On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 4:30 AM, RatZilla$ ratzil...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi all,

 We just receive confirmation from the FOSDEM  Team for a stand.

 FOSDEM is the Free Open Source Developers European Meeting.

 Feel free to join us to show our work and see other Floss communities
 hacks in Brussels 1  2 February 2014.

 More details here: https://fosdem.org/2014/

 Gaël
 

 Nous avons reçu la confirmation des organisateurs du FOSDEM d'un stand
 pour OSM les 1er et  2février 2014. Au plaisir de vous y voir pour échanger
 avec d'autres communautés du Libre.

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Re: [Talk-us] Call for Locations: 2014 Winter #Editathon!

2013-12-11 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hi Everyone!

Just a reminder that the winter #editathon is just over 5 weeks away,
January, 18-19. We're still looking for locations, so feel free to get in
touch with me if you have any questions about hosting or planning an
in-person #editathon event.

Otherwise, go ahead and add your city to the wiki here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/US_Winter_Editathon_2014

Cheers,
Kathleen


On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 10:58 AM, Kathleen Danielson 
kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote:

 http://openstreetmap.us/2013/11/january-winter-editathon/

 Our next #Editathon will be held the weekend of January 18-19, 2014. We've
 opened up a call for locations [1]-- so add your city to the list!

 During our most recent editathon we had 12 cities participating, and the
 event has been growing steadily over the last year. If you've considered
 hosting a local mapping party in the past, this is a great opportunity to
 get your feet wet. Hosting an editathon is easier than you think. See some
 helpful suggestions here [2].

 Editathons are great opportunities to focus on what your local community
 wants and needs. Is there a local contingent with a strong interest in
 improving city parks on OSM? Maybe you have a lot of folks who are
 interested in OSM, but have never actually contributed before and just need
 someone to show them the ropes? Maybe it's a combination of many things.
 Whatever your local community is looking for is the right thing to focus
 on, and the #editathon is a great time to do just that.

 Please feel free to reach out if you have any questions, but otherwise,
 I'm looking forward to seeing what cities will be participating in the
 first #editathon of 2014!

 Mappily Yours,
 Kathleen

 [1] http://openstreetmap.us/2013/11/january-winter-editathon/
 [2] http://openstreetmap.us/2013/07/why-editathons/


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Re: [OSM-talk] proprietary and unrelated images on the about page

2013-12-02 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hi Martin,

Can you provide some compelling examples of images that you'd like to see
us using instead?


On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer
dieterdre...@gmail.comwrote:


 2013/12/2 Pieren pier...@gmail.com

 For sure, contour lines are not part of OSM but it makes nice images.
 It's all about marketing ;-)



 While I agree that the image is visually appealing, I still dispute that
 it is suitable for representing OSM on our main about page. We do have
 lots of lots of OSM-related images and different maps based on OSM to
 choose 4 images from (e.g. the images of the week), we really shouldn't use
 proprietary imagery from Mapquest or unrelated srtm data and NASA imagery
 for this scope.

 cheers,
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Re: [Talk-us] Completing the Appalachian Trail relation

2013-11-27 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Thanks for raising this-- I just took a look at the PA relation which
apparently was last edited by me (what?). There's a gap in my hometown
(which I may or may not have created). Fixing now!




On Wed, Nov 27, 2013 at 9:09 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote:

 On 11/27/13 8:26 AM, Richard Welty wrote:
  On 11/27/13 7:44 AM, Josh Doe wrote:
  Massachusetts, 2991960, 8.3, 145.2
  Connecticut, N/A, 0, 83
  New York, 2007688, 78.4, 142.3
 
  i'm willing to take a look at NY/CT/MA over the next
  couple of months
 
 looking at the gap from NY 17 west now. this is way,
 way easier than fixing admin_boundaries

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Re: [OSM-talk] Upcoming changes to OpenStreetMap.org website

2013-11-13 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Personally, I want to congratulate and thank everyone who has put countless
hours into this redesign over the last few months. This is a significant
improvement over our current homepage and helps with the very serious issue
that OSM simply looked *dated*. This is a beautiful, usable site, which is
important not just for aesthetics, but also because of the competence it
communicates. In addition, it's quite lovely on a mobile browser, which was
a pleasant surprise!

Great work, everyone. I (we!) really appreciate the work you've done!

Cheers,
Kathleen




On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:55 AM, Daniel Westergren wes...@gmail.com wrote:

 As a rather new user I welcome a modernized start page, as well as better
 ways of introducing new users. I avoided OSM for long, although being a
 map-interested geek, due to a site looking out-dated and too steep learning
 curve not really knowing where to start.

 Rather than saying it's a database (even Google Maps is a database,
 presented as a map, although more or less homogenous), maybe add something
 to describe that there is not ONE map, but the data can be used to produce
 any kind of map-related data and render maps for different purposes. Refer
 to the imagination of the visitor.

 Or why not use the description on the About page: *OpenStreetMap powers
 map data on hundreds of web sites, mobile apps, and hardware devices*?

 I agree with others about importance to consult sight-impaired users,
 removing urban-centred references like subway stations, keeping data
 up-to-date not being the main agenda, export needing explanation and that a
 Help link should be more prominent (put it where Export is now and put
 Export where the Help is now, as Export is not something most people would
 know how to use anyway).

 /Daniel


 2013/11/13 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com

 On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 6:58 PM, Peter Barth osm-t...@won2.de wrote:

 * History mostly always gives No changesets in this area for areas
   smaller than whole europe


 This is because the test website uses a completely separate database from
 the main OSM website, except for Nominatim search results and the tiles. So
 there is no changeset almost everywhere.

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Re: [Talk-us] Locations for State of the Map US 2014

2013-11-13 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hi Jeff,

If you or someone at Boundless (or someone else in DC) would like to put
together a proposal for DC, those of us on the board would be happy to read
it! What we need in a proposal can be found here:
http://openstreetmap.us/2013/09/call-for-locations-sotm-us/

We'll need a very quick turnaround, but let us know if you start working on
a proposal and we'll give you a sense of our timeline.

Thanks!
Kathleen


On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Jeffrey Johnson ortel...@gmail.com wrote:

 What about DC that time of year? I'd really like to see more cooperation
 among USG agencies using and contributing to OSM and that may be a great
 time/place to kick that off. I'm sure Bonnie et al wouldn't object ;) I
 believe my employer (boundless) would be willing to help organize if it was
 close to home.

 On Nov 13, 2013, at 5:14, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Jeff,

 We didn't receive any location proposals, so we're working on locations
 and will announce when we have something set up.

 Since the global SotM event is usually held in the second half of the year
 we've moved the time frame for SotM US up to Spring so that it's not too
 close to the global event. This puts us in March-May and FOSS4G is in
 September. Also, we've already had a SotM in Portland and while it was
 pretty darn great, we're trying to spread the love to other cities, too.

 -Ian

 On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Jeffrey Johnson ortel...@gmail.comwrote:

 According to the CfP, the decision should have been made by the end of
 last month. Anyone have any idea where the decision making progress is at?
 Also curious why it couldn't be held in the fall in conjunction with FOSS4G
 in Portland? Haven't heard much of anything on the global event either at
 this point.

 Thanks in advance!

 Jeff

 On Friday, September 13, 2013, Bonnie Bogle wrote:

 Hi everyone,
 The call for locations for State of the Map US 2014 is open! Find out
 all about it on the openstreetmap.us blog:

 http://openstreetmap.us/2013/09/call-for-locations-sotm-us/

 State of the Map US is a great opportunity to bring US and international
 mappers together with folks from government, business, nonprofit,
 education, and more. It's about coming together and discussing the future
 of OpenStreetMap, and about bringing OpenStreetMap to a wider audience to
 grow it in numbers and diversity. This coming year we're aiming for a
 Spring date in March through May.

 We look forward to your submissions!

 Cheers,
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Re: [Talk-us] Locations for State of the Map US 2014

2013-11-13 Thread Kathleen Danielson

If we're going to be getting proposals from folks, I think I'd like to see
that within a week, so 11/20 at the latest. We're moving very quickly on
our end to come up with viable solutions, so I don't want to delay. I hope
you understand!


On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Jeffrey Johnson ortel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Ok, let me ask a few folks what they think, including Bonnie, and I'll get
 back to the list. What are the preferred dates?

 On Nov 13, 2013, at 5:29, Kathleen Danielson kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Hi Jeff,

 If you or someone at Boundless (or someone else in DC) would like to put
 together a proposal for DC, those of us on the board would be happy to read
 it! What we need in a proposal can be found here:
 http://openstreetmap.us/2013/09/call-for-locations-sotm-us/

 We'll need a very quick turnaround, but let us know if you start working
 on a proposal and we'll give you a sense of our timeline.

 Thanks!
 Kathleen


 On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Jeffrey Johnson ortel...@gmail.comwrote:

 What about DC that time of year? I'd really like to see more cooperation
 among USG agencies using and contributing to OSM and that may be a great
 time/place to kick that off. I'm sure Bonnie et al wouldn't object ;) I
 believe my employer (boundless) would be willing to help organize if it was
 close to home.

 On Nov 13, 2013, at 5:14, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Jeff,

 We didn't receive any location proposals, so we're working on locations
 and will announce when we have something set up.

 Since the global SotM event is usually held in the second half of the
 year we've moved the time frame for SotM US up to Spring so that it's not
 too close to the global event. This puts us in March-May and FOSS4G is in
 September. Also, we've already had a SotM in Portland and while it was
 pretty darn great, we're trying to spread the love to other cities, too.

 -Ian

 On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Jeffrey Johnson ortel...@gmail.comwrote:

 According to the CfP, the decision should have been made by the end of
 last month. Anyone have any idea where the decision making progress is at?
 Also curious why it couldn't be held in the fall in conjunction with FOSS4G
 in Portland? Haven't heard much of anything on the global event either at
 this point.

 Thanks in advance!

 Jeff

 On Friday, September 13, 2013, Bonnie Bogle wrote:

 Hi everyone,
 The call for locations for State of the Map US 2014 is open! Find out
 all about it on the openstreetmap.us blog:

 http://openstreetmap.us/2013/09/call-for-locations-sotm-us/

 State of the Map US is a great opportunity to bring US and
 international mappers together with folks from government, business,
 nonprofit, education, and more. It's about coming together and discussing
 the future of OpenStreetMap, and about bringing OpenStreetMap to a wider
 audience to grow it in numbers and diversity. This coming year we're aiming
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 We look forward to your submissions!

 Cheers,
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Re: [Talk-us] Locations for State of the Map US 2014

2013-11-13 Thread Kathleen Danielson

To be clear, we (as in, the OSM-US Board and Bonnie, our conference
organizer) are totally open to getting proposals from anywhere. We didn't
receive any during the CfP period and have been working on selecting a
location of our own. We aren't all the way there yet though, so more info
is welcome.

I'm just giving a constrained timeline because we are well past the CfP
deadline and need to lock in a venue soon. Do let us know if you start
pulling together a proposal-- we'll be eager to see what you come up with!

Best,
Kathleen



On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:39 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote:

  On 11/13/13 8:23 AM, Jeffrey Johnson wrote:

 What about DC that time of year?

 it would be nice for it to come back to the east coast. the recent history:

 2010 - Atlanta
 (2011 Denver SOTM, no SOTM-US that year)
 2012 - Portland
 2013 - San Francisco

 there had been a DC proposal in 2010 as i vaguely recall, the wiki page
 for it may still be out there.

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Re: [Talk-us] Locations for State of the Map US 2014

2013-11-13 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Personally, I'm angling for Honolulu.


On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Eric Theise ericthe...@gmail.com wrote:

 No question DC could host SotM US in style, but I'd be thrilled to see
 it move to the heartland. Too big of a stretch for it to be in
 Chicago?

 Eric

 On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 5:41 AM, Jeffrey Johnson ortel...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Ok well don't let me get in your way! DC is always just a pretty easy
  default location and Boundless (OpenGeo) has organized conferences there
  before with MapBox. Happy to help if we can.
 
  On Nov 13, 2013, at 5:37, Kathleen Danielson 
 kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  If we're going to be getting proposals from folks, I think I'd like to
 see
  that within a week, so 11/20 at the latest. We're moving very quickly on
 our
  end to come up with viable solutions, so I don't want to delay. I hope
 you
  understand!
 
 
  On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:31 AM, Jeffrey Johnson ortel...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
  Ok, let me ask a few folks what they think, including Bonnie, and I'll
 get
  back to the list. What are the preferred dates?
 
  On Nov 13, 2013, at 5:29, Kathleen Danielson
  kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi Jeff,
 
  If you or someone at Boundless (or someone else in DC) would like to put
  together a proposal for DC, those of us on the board would be happy to
 read
  it! What we need in a proposal can be found here:
  http://openstreetmap.us/2013/09/call-for-locations-sotm-us/
 
  We'll need a very quick turnaround, but let us know if you start working
  on a proposal and we'll give you a sense of our timeline.
 
  Thanks!
  Kathleen
 
 
  On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 8:23 AM, Jeffrey Johnson ortel...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  What about DC that time of year? I'd really like to see more
 cooperation
  among USG agencies using and contributing to OSM and that may be a
 great
  time/place to kick that off. I'm sure Bonnie et al wouldn't object ;) I
  believe my employer (boundless) would be willing to help organize if
 it was
  close to home.
 
  On Nov 13, 2013, at 5:14, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi Jeff,
 
  We didn't receive any location proposals, so we're working on locations
  and will announce when we have something set up.
 
  Since the global SotM event is usually held in the second half of the
  year we've moved the time frame for SotM US up to Spring so that it's
 not
  too close to the global event. This puts us in March-May and FOSS4G is
 in
  September. Also, we've already had a SotM in Portland and while it was
  pretty darn great, we're trying to spread the love to other cities,
 too.
 
  -Ian
 
  On Wed, Nov 13, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Jeffrey Johnson ortel...@gmail.com
  wrote:
 
  According to the CfP, the decision should have been made by the end of
  last month. Anyone have any idea where the decision making progress
 is at?
  Also curious why it couldn't be held in the fall in conjunction with
 FOSS4G
  in Portland? Haven't heard much of anything on the global event
 either at
  this point.
 
  Thanks in advance!
 
  Jeff
 
  On Friday, September 13, 2013, Bonnie Bogle wrote:
 
  Hi everyone,
  The call for locations for State of the Map US 2014 is open! Find out
  all about it on the openstreetmap.us blog:
 
  http://openstreetmap.us/2013/09/call-for-locations-sotm-us/
 
  State of the Map US is a great opportunity to bring US and
  international mappers together with folks from government, business,
  nonprofit, education, and more. It's about coming together and
 discussing
  the future of OpenStreetMap, and about bringing OpenStreetMap to a
 wider
  audience to grow it in numbers and diversity. This coming year we're
 aiming
  for a Spring date in March through May.
 
  We look forward to your submissions!
 
  Cheers,
  Bonnie
 
 
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[Talk-us] Call for Locations: 2014 Winter #Editathon!

2013-11-05 Thread Kathleen Danielson

http://openstreetmap.us/2013/11/january-winter-editathon/

Our next #Editathon will be held the weekend of January 18-19, 2014. We've
opened up a call for locations [1]-- so add your city to the list!

During our most recent editathon we had 12 cities participating, and the
event has been growing steadily over the last year. If you've considered
hosting a local mapping party in the past, this is a great opportunity to
get your feet wet. Hosting an editathon is easier than you think. See some
helpful suggestions here [2].

Editathons are great opportunities to focus on what your local community
wants and needs. Is there a local contingent with a strong interest in
improving city parks on OSM? Maybe you have a lot of folks who are
interested in OSM, but have never actually contributed before and just need
someone to show them the ropes? Maybe it's a combination of many things.
Whatever your local community is looking for is the right thing to focus
on, and the #editathon is a great time to do just that.

Please feel free to reach out if you have any questions, but otherwise, I'm
looking forward to seeing what cities will be participating in the first
#editathon of 2014!

Mappily Yours,
Kathleen

[1] http://openstreetmap.us/2013/11/january-winter-editathon/
[2] http://openstreetmap.us/2013/07/why-editathons/
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Re: [Talk-us] Fall Editathon Seattle Edition

2013-10-20 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Mele,

That resource page is awesome! We should definitely put that into our
toolkit to help future editathon organizers!

DC's Editathon is happening later today!

KD


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 Things went well in PDX too-- we had about 14 people who came and went
 throughout the day. Lots of newbies too! I did forget to take pictures
 though-- oops.

 Feel free to use/fork our resources page and slides here:
 http://pdxmele.com/editathon
 Repo: https://github.com/pdxmele/editathon

 Good luck to the other meetups this weekend!

 My best,
 Mele


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 Good to hear you've been having a good time! Re: battlegrid: you're
 most welcome! I've shown it to the folks present at the SLC Editathon
 today, and everyone found it useful. Please don't hesitate to send any
 feedback or suggestions this way.

 We had a really good time here in Salt Lake. The turnout was good by
 our standards (5 people, 2 new). We did not accomplish a lot of
 mapping but we did discuss a potential Utah address points import
 extensively. Also, because we all agreed this is a pleasant way to
 spend a Saturday afternoon, we are introducing a new monthly event,
 the Saturday Mapternoon! If you're in the area, check us out:
 http://www.meetup.com/osmutah/

 On Sat, Oct 19, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
 wrote:
  We had a great first day of map hacking in Seattle. I'd like to
 especially
  thank Martijn van Exel for creating maproulette.org/battlegrid. Our
 group is
  attacking the misaligned roads in Washington State using Battlegrid. For
  those that haven't used battlegrid, it is a visual tool to find
 difference
  between OSM roads and current Tiger data. We are finding that the Tiger
 data
  is better than OSM, especially in rural/outstate locations. But Tiger
 data
  isn't perfect either. Hopefully down the road, the US Census Bureau can
 use
  our data to improve their data.
 
  I would also like to thank Tableau Software for hosting this weekend.
 
  --
  Clifford
 
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[Talk-us] Running for the OSM US Board

2013-10-03 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hi Everyone,

Some of you know this already, but I've decided to throw my metaphorical
hat in the ring and run for a position on the OSM-US Board. You can read
why in my latest diary
entryhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/user/KathleenLD/diary/20129
.

Don't forget to check out the Elections
wikihttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Elections/2013#Candidates_and_resultsto
see who else is running, and consider adding your name to the list as
well!

Remember, voting will run from 10/5 (this Saturday) to 10/12.

Cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] iD and P2 new user errors - part 2

2013-09-13 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Andy, thanks so.much for running these numbers!
On Sep 13, 2013 8:20 PM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote:

 Previously (in https://lists.openstreetmap.**org/pipermail/talk/2013-**
 August/067936.htmlhttps://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2013-August/067936.html)
 I had a quick count-up of new user errors in bits of GB that I'm familiar
 with for the month before iD became the default editor for most browsers.

 I've done the same again (for the period 20/8/2013 to 13/9/2013), for most
 of which iD has been
 the default editor for most new users.

  P2  iD  JOSM  Other (Wheelmap / Go Map! /
 POI+)
 Made no newbie errors15  55 2  4
 Made at least one newbie error   20  43 0  4
 Made more serious errors  1   3 1  0

 One slight caveat with the numbers is that while it's usually possible to
 spot typical P2 newbie errors such as unjoined roads before they've
 rendered, it's less easy to do so with some iD errors, such as not
 assigning a main tag to something that has been named or the accidental
 orthogonalisation issue that can result from https://github.com/systemed/
 **iD/issues/542 https://github.com/systemed/iD/issues/542.  For
 example, 
 http://api06.dev.**openstreetmap.org/browse/**changeset/30953http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/30953(on
  the dev server) resulted in
 http://api06.dev.**openstreetmap.org/browse/way/**4295036579http://api06.dev.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/4295036579,
 but until they're rendered such issues are difficult to spot, so iD's Made
 at least one newbie error number may perhaps be slightly higher.  I'm sure
 it's not half as big again though, which it would need to be for iD's new
 user error rate to be the same as P2's.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Making iD the default editor on osm.org - some numbers

2013-08-22 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Thanks so much for running those numbers! Actual data is helpful in a
conversation that has contained quite a few assumptions.

(Continuing the assumption trend...) Anecdotally, as someone who only
became an active editor last year, I found P2 more accessible than JOSM as
a new contributor. I had an experienced contributor show me how to use
both,  but would usually default to P2. I could tell that JOSM was more
feature-rich,  but I found it overwhelming.  I felt safer in P2 as i was
getting started.

I'm not a new contributor anymore, but I think that iD is following this
trend. Even now, I almost always default to iD when I'm editing-- the
cleaner interface is less overwhelming to me,  and it's very rare that I'm
doing something that isn't supported by iD.
On Aug 21, 2013 4:08 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:



 Il giorno 21/ago/2013, alle ore 20:10, John Firebaugh 
 john.fireba...@gmail.com ha scritto:

  So 45 of 79 new contributors (57%) made errors with P2, 16 of 33 (48%)
 with iD, 2 of 5 (40%) with JOSM, and 3 of 6 (50%) with other editors. While
 there's no doubt a fair margin of error here, what I conclude from this is
 while it's still much too easy for new contributors to make mistakes with
 our current editors, there's some indication that they make fewer errors
 (especially serious ones) with iD than with P2.


 one might conclude that Josm is the best suggestion for newbies (but there
 are probably too few numbers in this survey to be sure). Nobody has
 suggested so far in this thread to make Josm the default, but it could be
 an option?

 cheers,
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[OSM-talk] New users and post-edit processing (was Making iD the default editor on osm.org)

2013-08-19 Thread Kathleen Danielson

I also think this is a great idea. To me, the idea that we can release a
piece of software until it's perfect because if a new user makes a mistake
he or she will received nasty emails is fundamentally flawed. Granted,
there's a bit of hyperbole in there, but I appreciate this different view
of the issue.

As we approach the status of having fully mapped the world, we will
inevitably need to increasingly shift our focus to map maintenance over
creation. Granted, many people are already doing that excellently, but the
issue of map gardening deserves more attention so that more people can
participate and maintain and improve the quality of OSM's data.




On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 6:13 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:

 On Mon, Aug 19, 2013 at 2:57 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.orgwrote:

 -- Going off on a tangent here and leaving the scope of immediate iD
 improvements - someone else has posted that a while ago in a different
 discussion. Maybe we are far too obsessed with trying to make sure nothing
 is ever broken in an edit session. Maybe we should focus more on
 post-processing of edits. Give users the option of saying I'd like someone
 else to review my edit. If user does that, a special tag (review=yes) is
 set on the changeset. A list/map of such changesets for review could then
 be generated and processed by users who are interested in helping. Before
 too long we'll have feature where changesets can be commented/discussed
 which would go nicely with this.


 +100 on this.  OSM editing for a first timer is lonely.
 There's no evidence anyone in the project cares until you make a mistake
 (then you get pillored).

 Mistakes themselves are not a problem in a system with undo.
 But in a database with millions of nodes, something has to focus checking,
 else bad edits just drop as needles into the haystack.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Making iD the default editor on osm.org

2013-08-17 Thread Kathleen Danielson

I actually love the social features in iD.  I like being able to share on
Facebook that I've just edited my hometown. I think it's a great way to
start conversations around OSM and share an interest of mine with my
friends,  as well as raise general awareness of the project.

Obviously not everyone uses those social platforms,  which is perfectly
fine,  but I think having the sharing option built in is a great feature.
On Aug 17, 2013 5:29 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 10:24 PM, Tom MacWright t...@macwright.org wrote:


 And see for yourself.


 Ok. No special warning if you delete one element. And most of newcomers do
 small changes for a try.

 But I was extremetely surprise to see twitter and facebook after the
 save action. Is OSM still an open data project mainly driven by open source
 applications ? Are we really moving to the commercial side of the internet
 ? I have no words to express my shock (I have but it would censored).
 Please, move that away from the main site. Keep it on your local deployment
 in osm.us if you like.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Making iD the default editor on osm.org

2013-08-17 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Pieren,  we are discussing whether or not to make iD the default editor.
While you are welcome to hold your own opinions regarding services such as
Facebook and Twitter,  the material point that you raised by mentioning
them is whether they add to or harm the project. I haven't heard you
mention any issues with these features beyond your distaste for the
services themselves,  so I suggest we drop the issue and get back to
focusing on the idea of iD as default editor.

Thanks,
Kathleen
On Aug 17, 2013 6:37 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 11:37 PM, Kathleen Danielson
 kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote:

  I actually love the social features in iD.

 It is strange to see that some are trying to escape from google maps
 controling (geo)data just to fall down immediatly to other companies
 controling data (privacy)

  you could have and should have searched the issue tracker

 None of them suggesting to change this as opt-in instead of opt-out.
 Marketing I guess ? Any plan for the fb like and g+ buttons near
 the changesets history tab ?

 And I'm surprised that iD is asking to modify my OSM user preferences.
 I understand the read access but not the write access.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Endorsing properietary social platforms (was: Making iD the default editor on osm.org)

2013-08-17 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Thank you, Frederick. I think that was extremely well put :-)
On Aug 17, 2013 8:53 PM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote:

Pieren,

But I was extremetely surprise to see twitter and facebook after the
save action. Is OSM still an open data project mainly driven by open
source applications ? Are we really moving to the commercial side of the
internet ? I have no words to express my shock (I have but it would
censored).

Like you, I am very critical of data silos like Facebook, and I find it
sad that so many people un-thinkingly embrace such proprietary platforms.

I think that as an open project, we must be very careful not to endorse
these platforms - under no circumstances should we send out the message
that you can be a better mapper if you sign up to Facebook.

But at the same time it is not for us to re-educate people. Facebook and
other similar platforms are an important part in the social life of many
people nowadays - in some countries, there's more OSM activity on Facebook
than there is on the national OSM mailing list, and all that without our
involvement.

While making sure not to *endorse* proprietary social platforms, at the
same time we should respect the decision of those who want to use them, and
we shouldn't make it artifically hard for these users to include OSM in
their social platform life.

It is a difficult balance to strike but it is something that requires a
nuanced view. Freedom and openness also means that people have the freedom
to use Facebook.

(And yes, the issue tends to be viewed with less ideological weight on the
other side of the Atlantic. Then again, I believe that Potlatch 1 also had
a post my edit on Twitter link?)

Bye
Frederik

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Re: [OSM-talk] Mark your calendars for the #BirthdaySprint! (Now with snazzy website!)

2013-08-07 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hey Everyone-- just a reminder that this is happening this weekend! It's
actually kicking off tomorrow evening at MapTimeSF at Stamen's
officehttp://maptimesf.tumblr.com/post/57591408091/celebrate-osms-birthday-at-maptime,
so feel free to get started! Remember that this is a distributed event,
though, so you definitely don't have to show up in person to participate.

Let me or Mikel know if you have any questions-- we're excited to celebrate
OSM's birthday with all of you!

Kathleen


On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Kathleen Danielson 
kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote:

 As you all know, in honor of OpenStreetMap's 9th birthday, we are holding
 a Birthday Sprint http://osmlab.github.io/birthday-sprint/ next
 weekend, August 10th - 11th. Since we can't all be in the same room (this
 time), this will be a distributed code sprint, so you won't even need to
 get off the couch! All you'll need to do is get online, and all you'll need
 to bring is your enthusiasm!

 Whoever has an OSM project they are working on is invited to rally their
 communities to do a dedicated push over those two days. We already have a
 LOT of great projects signed up, so if you want to help, but don't know
 where to get started, check out our projects 
 pagehttp://osmlab.github.io/birthday-sprint/about/,
 where you can find contact info, code repositories, discussion lists and
 more.

 We're working to identify tasks for non-developers as well, so keep
 checking back as we get closer to the date of the sprint if you don't see
 anything you feel comfortable contributing to just yet.

 These are the projects that are signed up so far:

- OSM Groups
- HOT Website updates
- HOT cross-site toolbar
- Complete iD integration into tasking server
- WikiMaps
- Historical OSM
- Hashtag Aggregation
- Social Feature Planning (UX workshop)
- DC Building Import

 We're excited about all of the enthusiasm that we've heard so far, but
 this list isn't done yet! If you've got a project you'd like to add feel
 free to hit me up, or fork the github page. All we ask is that someone take
 ownership for the sprint, you provide a place where contributors can find
 tasks and ongoing discussion, and bring a lot of enthusiasm!

 Finally, even though this is a distributed code sprint, there are a few
 in-person events popping up (in DC, SF, and Salt Lake City). Find details
 here http://osmlab.github.io/birthday-sprint/locations/, and let us
 know if you're planning an in-person event too!

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Re: [Talk-us] Mark your calendars for the #BirthdaySprint! (Now with snazzy website!)

2013-08-07 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hi Jason--

That's awesome! Can you help me get in touch with the organizers of those
events? I'd love to see if they'd be ok with us adding their events to
our Locations
page. http://osmlab.github.io/birthday-sprint/locations/




On Wed, Aug 7, 2013 at 10:18 AM, Jason Remillard
remillard.ja...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi,

 Also, it looks like we have some actual locations for some US events
 this weekend too. San Francisco, Denver, Nashua, NH.

 Thanks
 Jason



 On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 1:32 PM, Kathleen Danielson
 kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote:
  As you all know, in honor of OpenStreetMap's 9th birthday, we are
 holding a
  Birthday Sprint next weekend, August 10th - 11th. Since we can't all be
 in
  the same room (this time), this will be a distributed code sprint, so you
  won't even need to get off the couch! All you'll need to do is get
 online,
  and all you'll need to bring is your enthusiasm!
 
  Whoever has an OSM project they are working on is invited to rally their
  communities to do a dedicated push over those two days. We already have a
  LOT of great projects signed up, so if you want to help, but don't know
  where to get started, check out our projects page, where you can find
  contact info, code repositories, discussion lists and more.
 
  We're working to identify tasks for non-developers as well, so keep
 checking
  back as we get closer to the date of the sprint if you don't see anything
  you feel comfortable contributing to just yet.
 
  These are the projects that are signed up so far:
 
  OSM Groups
  HOT Website updates
  HOT cross-site toolbar
  Complete iD integration into tasking server
  WikiMaps
  Historical OSM
  Hashtag Aggregation
  Social Feature Planning (UX workshop)
  DC Building Import
 
  We're excited about all of the enthusiasm that we've heard so far, but
 this
  list isn't done yet! If you've got a project you'd like to add feel free
 to
  hit me up, or fork the github page. All we ask is that someone take
  ownership for the sprint, you provide a place where contributors can find
  tasks and ongoing discussion, and bring a lot of enthusiasm!
 
  Finally, even though this is a distributed code sprint, there are a few
  in-person events popping up (in DC, SF, and Salt Lake City). Find details
  here, and let us know if you're planning an in-person event too!
 
  KD
 
 
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Re: [Talk-us] Burning Man old data, publicity opportunity

2013-08-05 Thread Kathleen Danielson

I only know a little about Burning Man (seriously, just what I read in Cory
Doctorow's Homeland), but mapping BRC makes sense to me.

Is it on the exact same location every year? In that case it seems like it
would make sense to update the map annually. If they are on different parts
of the dessert each year, it would probably make sense to map each one, but
once the city is torn down, modify the tags to indicate a past structure.
The Historical OSM folks would probably have better guidance on the best
way to do this.

Either way, it seems like this could be a really neat way to preserve Black
Rock City.

Are any OSM folks going to be at Burning Man this year?


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 So Black Rock City is mapped on OpenStreetMap... twice. And both are old
 versions (the city as it was in 2008 and 2009). Anyone know why this is?
 Should the two old cities be deleted and replaced with the 2013 city?

 I have a feeling that this could be a fun publicity opportunity for OSM,
 if we're the first ones to map out Black Rock City during Burning Man. Not
 to mention that the kind of people who go to Burning Man would probably
 rather support OSM over Google Maps, given someone tells them about OSM. It
 brings in people from everywhere, so ideally they could go back to their
 respective communities and possibly get more involved in local OSM mapping.

 Just ranting a pipe dream. Does this sound realistic?

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Re: [Talk-us] Burning Man old data, publicity opportunity

2013-08-05 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Do we have shapefiles for previous years? Even if we can't do 2013 yet it
might be fun to work on the last couple of years.


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:45 PM, Jeffrey Johnson ortel...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 11:43 AM, Michal Migurski m...@teczno.com wrote:
  Black Rock City moves slightly each year, to minimize impact on any
 particular spot in the playa. The streets are also given new names, and the
 city expands to accommodate additional population growth. It's effectively
 a totally new geography each time.
 
  Mikel has been involved in the project in the past, and been given
 advance private access to survey shapefiles.

 Yup, we have them for this year already, but are not always allowed to
 release them without permission. Will report back ASAP.

  -mike.
 
  On Aug 5, 2013, at 11:36 AM, Kathleen Danielson wrote:
 
  I only know a little about Burning Man (seriously, just what I read in
 Cory Doctorow's Homeland), but mapping BRC makes sense to me.
 
  Is it on the exact same location every year? In that case it seems like
 it would make sense to update the map annually. If they are on different
 parts of the dessert each year, it would probably make sense to map each
 one, but once the city is torn down, modify the tags to indicate a past
 structure. The Historical OSM folks would probably have better guidance on
 the best way to do this.
 
  Either way, it seems like this could be a really neat way to preserve
 Black Rock City.
 
  Are any OSM folks going to be at Burning Man this year?
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  So Black Rock City is mapped on OpenStreetMap... twice. And both are
 old versions (the city as it was in 2008 and 2009). Anyone know why this
 is? Should the two old cities be deleted and replaced with the 2013 city?
 
  I have a feeling that this could be a fun publicity opportunity for
 OSM, if we're the first ones to map out Black Rock City during Burning Man.
 Not to mention that the kind of people who go to Burning Man would probably
 rather support OSM over Google Maps, given someone tells them about OSM. It
 brings in people from everywhere, so ideally they could go back to their
 respective communities and possibly get more involved in local OSM mapping.
 
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Re: [Talk-us] Burning Man old data, publicity opportunity

2013-08-05 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Clay, does this give you something to work with?


On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Michal Migurski m...@teczno.com wrote:

 I'd love to help with this, but I'm not much of a burner (first  last:
 2001) so I won't be able to follow up. Sorry!

 -mike.

 On Aug 5, 2013, at 11:54 AM, Jeffrey Johnson wrote:

  He was certainly involved back then, but like me, his interest in
  BM/BRC has dropped off a bit. I've connected Migurski with the people
  in the Bay Area that have all the data and hoping he can help get
  everything together so it can go into the map.
 
  Jeff
 
  On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 11:49 AM, Steven Johnson sejohns...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  I'm almost certain that Mikel was involved in one, or both of those
 '08/'09
  efforts to map Black Rock City. Worth contacting him about what it would
  take to re-do it for 2013.
 
  -- SEJ
  -- twitter: @geomantic
  -- skype: sejohnson8
 
  There are two types of people in the world. Those that can extrapolate
 from
  incomplete data.
 
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 5, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Clay Smalley claysmal...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  So Black Rock City is mapped on OpenStreetMap... twice. And both are
 old
  versions (the city as it was in 2008 and 2009). Anyone know why this
 is?
  Should the two old cities be deleted and replaced with the 2013 city?
 
  I have a feeling that this could be a fun publicity opportunity for
 OSM,
  if we're the first ones to map out Black Rock City during Burning
 Man. Not
  to mention that the kind of people who go to Burning Man would
 probably
  rather support OSM over Google Maps, given someone tells them about
 OSM. It
  brings in people from everywhere, so ideally they could go back to
 their
  respective communities and possibly get more involved in local OSM
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Re: [OSM-talk] Foursquare superusers encouraged to directly edit OSM

2013-08-02 Thread Kathleen Danielson

* Coordinate is from a GPS chip in a mobile phone. As we mainly talk about
indoor locations the coordinate is usually off by hundreds of meters. I
would vote not to use it.

One strength of OSM is that data is usually more accurate then other
sources. We should not give away this by importing data from unreliable
sources.

This is actually where the foursquare superusers come in. You can read more
about what a 4sq superuser
ishttp://blog.foursquare.com/2011/05/19/growing-our-superuser-community/,
but they take on the responsibility of keeping the foursquare database
clean, much in the same way that we do for OSM. Location and detail
accuracy is important to that group.

Mind you, this is actually an exclusive group of foursquare users. My
understanding is that they have to apply or be invited.

Even though this thread isn't about bringing foursquare data into OSM (I
have no idea what, if any, conversations around that have been held), we
should definitely take note that there is an almost parallel community of
extremely like-minded editors out there, and we would be lucky to have them
join our community. We should engage with them and share knowledge!

On Fri, Aug 2, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Stephan Knauss o...@stephans-server.dewrote:

Joseph Reeves writes:

Someone may have checked into a bakery on FourSquare at lat=34.716286
lon=36.727005. This would then be a location that exists in FourSquare's
DB, but not in the OpenStreetMap base mapping that FourSquare use in their
website. We cannot, for obvious reasons, send people to Syria to map
bakeries, so sources such as FourSquare may be potentially very useful.

How accurate is the coordinate you mention? How does FourSquare get it?
* User puts a marker on a Google map? Then it's not usable.
* User puts a marker on OSM base map? Then the user can do the same in iD
to create the POI
* Coordinate is from a GPS chip in a mobile phone. As we mainly talk about
indoor locations the coordinate is usually off by hundreds of meters. I
would vote not to use it.

One strength of OSM is that data is usually more accurate then other
sources. We should not give away this by importing data from unreliable
sources.

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Re: [Talk-us] Happy Birthday, OSM-- let's have a Birthday Sprint!

2013-08-02 Thread Kathleen Danielson

All,

Just a heads up that this is still in the works. I've been doing a lot of
behind the scenes planning with Mikel and others, and we'll have a more
formal announcement in the next day or so explaining what the plans are and
highlighting the projects that are involved.

In the meantime, feel free to ping me with any questions, or let me know if
you'd like to include your project in the sprint! (We'll just need someone
to take ownership for it, a place where contributors can find tasks and
ongoing discussion, and a lot of enthusiasm!)


On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 3:11 PM, Kathleen Danielson 
kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote:

 As far as DC, I think it would depend on how many people are interested in
 attending. Let's continue the local discussion on the MappingDC list.

 I love the idea of non-coding tasks, since we aren't all developers, but
 many of us still really want to help. I think it would be great if people
 who are involved in projects could respond to this thread (or just create
 another one) with some ideas for sprint tasks for both devs and non-devs.
 This would be a great opportunity to solicit testing, or get help writing
 documentation, for example, as well as the more obvious development tasks.
 I think what will help is if people can make clear asks before the event so
 that when the Birthday Sprint comes we can hit the ground running.

 I've spoken with a few of you about this, but I'll follow up off list for
 some projects/tasks that I think could benefit from a little Birthday
 Sprint love. Don't wait to be invited, though-- if you'd like to work on
 your project and maybe organize your community around it, go for it! Feel
 free to use this thread to propose an idea, or create another thread if you
 want to have some more discussion around it.

 Cheers!
 Kathleen


 On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.comwrote:

 This is a great idea Kathleen, best way to celebrate. We want to keep up
 the momentum from SOTMUS, and pick up other projects too. In HOT, we're
 starting to organize our tech work, and this would be good timing to get
 some focus.

 For DC, where could we host it? American Red Cross may or may not be
 available. OpenGovHub is a little complicated on the weekends.

 Also, wonder if there's non-coding tasks we could pick up. There's lots
 of initiatives coming out of SOTMUS ... TeachOSM, Diversity Task Force.
 Within HOT, we have a lot of policy and communication needs.

 -Mikel

 * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron

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 *To:* OpenStreetMap US Talk talk-us@openstreetmap.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, July 4, 2013 11:31 PM
 *Subject:* [Talk-us] Happy Birthday, OSM-- let's have a Birthday Sprint!

 Hi Everyone,

 I hope you're all enjoying your Independence Day celebrations! I'm
 thinking toward another upcoming anniversary-- OpenStreetMap's 9th
 birthday! I know that folks are planning various celebrations in cities
 around the world, and I thought that it might be a good idea to plan a
 Birthday Sprint to continue the work from the SOTMUS Sprint Days.

 So, I propose that on the weekend of August 10-11 we hold a remote
 Birthday Sprint on any and all OSM projects. What this means is that
 whoever has a project they are working on can rally their community to do a
 dedicated push over those two days. I'm thinking MapRoulette, new 
 osm.orgfeatures, iD updates-- whatever. Then, we just do it! If people want 
 to
 host in-person sprint day events, that's fantastic, but even though being
 in the same room is vastly beneficial, it's not always feasible on a
 project like this, so the assumption is that this will be a predominantly
 remote event.

 It's been great to see all of the enthusiasm and momentum coming out of
 SOTMUS, so let's keep that going with the Birthday Sprint!

 Cheers,
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[Talk-us] Mark your calendars for the #BirthdaySprint! (Now with snazzy website!)

2013-08-02 Thread Kathleen Danielson

As you all know, in honor of OpenStreetMap's 9th birthday, we are
holding a Birthday
Sprint http://osmlab.github.io/birthday-sprint/ next weekend, August 10th
- 11th. Since we can't all be in the same room (this time), this will be a
distributed code sprint, so you won't even need to get off the couch! All
you'll need to do is get online, and all you'll need to bring is your
enthusiasm!

Whoever has an OSM project they are working on is invited to rally their
communities to do a dedicated push over those two days. We already have a
LOT of great projects signed up, so if you want to help, but don't know
where to get started, check out our projects
pagehttp://osmlab.github.io/birthday-sprint/about/,
where you can find contact info, code repositories, discussion lists and
more.

We're working to identify tasks for non-developers as well, so keep
checking back as we get closer to the date of the sprint if you don't see
anything you feel comfortable contributing to just yet.

These are the projects that are signed up so far:

   - OSM Groups
   - HOT Website updates
   - HOT cross-site toolbar
   - Complete iD integration into tasking server
   - WikiMaps
   - Historical OSM
   - Hashtag Aggregation
   - Social Feature Planning (UX workshop)
   - DC Building Import

We're excited about all of the enthusiasm that we've heard so far, but this
list isn't done yet! If you've got a project you'd like to add feel free to
hit me up, or fork the github page. All we ask is that someone take
ownership for the sprint, you provide a place where contributors can find
tasks and ongoing discussion, and bring a lot of enthusiasm!

Finally, even though this is a distributed code sprint, there are a few
in-person events popping up (in DC, SF, and Salt Lake City). Find details
here http://osmlab.github.io/birthday-sprint/locations/, and let us know
if you're planning an in-person event too!

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Re: [OSM-talk] Foursquare superusers encouraged to directly edit OSM

2013-08-01 Thread Kathleen Danielson

This is great! Does anyone (cough cough Elliott Plack)  know if there are
local Foursquare superuser groups? We could invite them to Editathons and
other mapping parties!


On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:04 PM, Jason Remillard
remillard.ja...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi,

 It is fantastic news that foursquare is adding an edit OSM button into
 their interface. Hopefully they have good luck with it and roll it out
 everywhere.

 Craigslist, how about an edit OSM button too?

 Jason.

 On Thu, Aug 1, 2013 at 8:55 AM, Stefan Keller sfkel...@gmail.com wrote:
  Hi
 
  Interesting news from yesterday's Foursquare blog [1]: Today, we’re
  expanding upon that by encouraging our community to directly edit map
  data. (...). See also [2].
 
  Yours, Stefan
 
  P.S. I'm collecting everything I find around location based systems
  and gamification while preparing my lightning talk about Live is a
  game! at SOTM 2013...
  P.P.S. Hope to see you all there on 6 to 8 Sept. in Birmingham.
 
  [1]
 http://blog.foursquare.com/2013/07/31/linking-up-foursquare-and-openstreetmap-editing/
  [2] https://twitter.com/openstreetmap/status/362901088803889152
 
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Re: [Talk-us] Chapter Board Elections

2013-07-30 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hi Martijn (and other board members),

Can you talk about the responsibilities of the board as well as the time
commitment that is expected? That would be helpful for people who are
considering running.

And the board is limited at 5 members, is that correct?

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

Hi talk-us,

Here's a brief update from the Chapter Board on the upcoming elections. As
you know, the board is elected on a one year mandate. Our term ends on
October 13 of this year. This is still a little while away, but we'd like
all of you to think about the next year of the OSM US Chapter, and who
should be on the board to represent you.

Perhaps you are thinking of yourself? You should be! Being on the board
does not require superhero skills, just a dedication to OpenStreetMap in
the United States and a determination to put your ideas into action.

If you want to nominate yourself for a position on the board, head over to
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Elections/2013and
add yourself. It helps a lot if you write a brief manifesto, outlining
why you want to be on the board and what you would aim to accomplish. This
will help voters make an informed choice.

We have more voting members than ever before (thanks in part to the
membership drives around the previous SOTM US conferences) so the upcoming
elections should be interesting and important!

We will continue to follow up with more details about the elections as
they emerge. In the mean time, don't hesitate to voice your questions or
concerns here or at bo...@openstreetmap.us.

On behalf of the OSM US chapter board,
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Re: [Talk-us] Chapter Board Elections

2013-07-30 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Also, who is allowed to second a nomination?

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 2:13 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote:

the board is currently 5 members. i don't off the top of my head recall
if that's
in the bylaws or part of the standing rules (things specified in the
standing rules
are much easier to change.)

On 7/30/13 1:56 PM, Kathleen Danielson wrote:

Hi Martijn (and other board members),

Can you talk about the responsibilities of the board as well as the time
commitment that is expected? That would be helpful for people who are
considering running.

And the board is limited at 5 members, is that correct?

On Tue, Jul 30, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

Hi talk-us,

Here's a brief update from the Chapter Board on the upcoming elections.
As you know, the board is elected on a one year mandate. Our term ends on
October 13 of this year. This is still a little while away, but we'd like
all of you to think about the next year of the OSM US Chapter, and who
should be on the board to represent you.

If you want to nominate yourself for a position on the board, head over
to
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Foundation/Local_Chapters/United_States/Elections/2013and
add yourself. It helps a lot if you write a brief manifesto, outlining
why you want to be on the board and what you would aim to accomplish. This
will help voters make an informed choice.

We have more voting members than ever before (thanks in part to the
membership drives around the previous SOTM US conferences) so the upcoming
elections should be interesting and important!

We will continue to follow up with more details about the elections as
they emerge. In the mean time, don't hesitate to voice your questions or
concerns here or at bo...@openstreetmap.us.

On behalf of the OSM US chapter board,
--
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Re: [OSM-talk] comments on new map widget on main page

2013-07-29 Thread Kathleen Danielson

I'm coming to the same conclusion ... need SOMETHING rather than having to
decode other information. Since there is now a tab for the links, perhaps
that could also be used to add the location information as well. It's now
even more difficult to quickly zoom out to find out where in the world a
link has dropped you ... Even just a country would be very helpful.

Lester-- FWIW, I've created a github issue that's pretty closely related to
this: https://github.com/systemed/iD/issues/1651

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 4:34 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:

Greg Troxel wrote:

add some indication of zoom level. I'd be happy with a z15 box
between + and -.

The other annoying thing is this incessant drive to make everything
'monochrome' ... I've just had to create 'colourstrap' to get full colour
icons back on a project that has decided that 'bootstrap' is the bees
knees. Those black icons do grate next to a nice full colour map :(

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Re: [OSM-talk] comments on new map widget on main page

2013-07-29 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Ah-- sorry. Misunderstood :)

On Mon, Jul 29, 2013 at 11:48 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:

Kathleen Danielson wrote:

I'm coming to the same conclusion ... need SOMETHING rather than
having to
decode other information. Since there is now a tab for the links,
perhaps
that could also be used to add the location information as well. It's
now
even more difficult to quickly zoom out to find out where in the
world a
link has dropped you ... Even just a country would be very helpful.

Lester-- FWIW, I've created a github issue that's pretty closely related
to
this:
https://github.com/systemed/**iD/issues/1651https://github.com/systemed/iD/issues/1651

Somewhat of kilter but that would be another useful to have feature. My
mapserver based stuff has an overview view in which one can see where you
are and quickly navigate to another area easily. I'm talking about the
general viewing on the main map while your issue is targeted to the
editors? The point I was trying to make is the fact that when one is
supplied a link one often does not know where in the world it is,
especially the encrypted ones. I asked a number of times in the past for
some description on where we have been parachuted into, and this new links
tab seems the obvious place for at least a 'Bolivia, South America' or the
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Re: [OSM-talk] Upgraded map controls

2013-07-28 Thread Kathleen Danielson

There are a lot of ways to approach gamification. I'm not saying whether or
not we should,  but we probably should avoid blanket statements that all
gamification is bad. For example,  another route we could take is a more
traditional badge model that rewards you for achievements (You made your
first edit! Lifeguard badge: you've edited 20 swimming pools!). In
addition, rather than global rankings (which would be dominated by power
mappers) showing rankings in terms of your connections might be fun.
Personally,  I'd like a way to more easily scan what my friends are up to
on OSM. I can get a feed of their recent changesets,  but even that is
pretty well hidden.

I guess what I'm saying is that we shouldn't panic too much at the word
gamification. It covers all manner of sins :)
On Jul 28, 2013 6:30 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:

 On Sun, Jul 28, 2013 at 11:42 AM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote:


 I think statistics are enough for gamification. You can have lots of
 badges like

 Biggest contributor in Belgium - most nodes in Belgium
 Road admiral of Alabama - most roads in Alabama
 Power man of  Bavaria - biggest contributor of power tags (power=line,
 power=substation etc.) in Bavaria
 Forester of Croatia
 Ski instructor of Switzerland
 etc..

 Then if you have a question about tagging a power station in some region,
 you could quickly find the power man of the region, and ask them. That
 way the badge comes with some responsibility and influence in decision
 making. The bigger the region, the more responsibility.


 Games can be... gamed.
 As a pipsqeak in the power pole mapping influence peddling ring, I could
 zoom to the top with a few evenings of shifting nodes that did not really
 need shifting.  If the game is important enough to be gamed... it will be
 gamed.

 Better to say that my edits are *respected*.  I make an edit and someone
 else says 'thanks, that looks great', or maybe 'could we talk about the
 inclusion of bird nests on power poles a bit?'.  Then you've got a system
 that has both games and social features.  For those who don't want either
 there can be achievement levels: perhaps certain capabilities, like bulk
 uploads, could require hitting certain contribution milestones.  It works
 great for stack exchange and other similar sites.

   -Bryce

 Note: the badge list above shows a gender-specific skew... trying giving
 the 'power man' badge to a professional female lawyer.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Gamification and OSM (Was: Upgraded map controls)

2013-07-28 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Along these lines, I know it's been floated before,  but the ability to
comment on individual changesets would be a great addition as well.

As we're thinking about different social/gamified features we might be
interested in, we should consider what opt-in/opt-out permissions would be
necessary, as well as how these could best be implemented incrementally.
(We'll need developer input for that last one, but as we flesh ideas out
more it may become more obvious).
On Jul 28, 2013 9:42 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:

  Personally,  I'd like a way to more easily scan what my friends are up
 to on
  OSM. I can get a feed of their recent changesets, but even that is
 pretty
  well hidden.


 Yes, and scocial interaction goes well beyond previously established
 friends.

 I might be interesting in following the activity of a few select mappers.
 I might also interested in keeping up with mapping behaviors, no matter the
 mapper.  Perhaps I'd want to see and keep abreast of this set of mapping
 activity, regardless of user:

- The same area (e.g. my neighborhood).
- The same feature classes (e.g. toilets, drinking water, farm stands,
car sharing) worldwide.
- The same data sources (e.g. imports, UAV mapping).
- The same style of mapping (e.g. wiki gardening cleaning up typos).

 Today's OSM forums are places where only a fraction of active
 editors interact.  They are difficult places for new users and established
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Re: [OSM-talk] Another OSM use without attribution (unusual rendering)

2013-07-22 Thread Kathleen Danielson

MapBox Streets is updated every few minutes. I've seen it in action :)


On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 1:10 PM, Simon Hewison si...@zymurgy.org wrote:

 On Mon, Jul 22, 2013 at 06:31:18PM +0200, sabas88 wrote:
  The rendering is Mapbox Streets (no way to link, but some panning and
  zooming here http://www.mapbox.com/tour/)

 Okay, so it's mapbox, any idea how often they update their data? It seems
 the data is over 12 months old. Not the best way to showcase how quick
 it is to update the maps they are rending.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis

2013-07-20 Thread Kathleen Danielson

+1 for use of the word muggle
On Jul 20, 2013 1:47 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:



 On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 9:41 PM, Guillaume Pratte 
 guilla...@guillaumepratte.net wrote:

 Hello,

 I have been a serious user of OpenStreetMap for less than six months, and
 I am proud to recently have achieved my one hundredth contribution to the
 project. I really love the OpenStreetMap project, and I would like to
 replace my daily usage of Google Maps with OpenStreetMap.

 But it just seems I cannot. Anybody else feel the same issues?


 I feel the same issues. But at the same time I think it unwise to try and
 play catch-me-if-you-can with Google.
 There are many tasks where OSM is better than Google Maps.  I use OSM
 gladly for things like:

 * Natural area trail maps or tracking.
 * Non-commercial POIs (e.g. toilets, drinking water, viewpoints, tourist
 oddities, fun stuff)
 * Detailed maps in pedestrian zones.
 * Printing
 * Mapping fun.

 

 To date OSM is run by a group of mappers that caters to mappers. There is
 an unlikely but burning desire to somehow turn more ordinary muggles into
 mappers.  It is as if the map was meant to be made, not used:
 and it's working.  Of the people I talk to and show OpenStreetMap, the
 vast majority have never even heard of it, and that includes land
 management, GIS professionals, teachers and engineers all who could in
 theory be interested.

 What would drive more mapping would in fact be more passive users: some
 percentage will survive the test of fire on the tagging list and become
 mappers.  OSM could offer high quality print exports, or
 one-click embeddable maps, or a dozen other compelling services.  But
 someone would have to pay for all that bandwidth and user support, in order
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2013-07-20 Thread Kathleen Danielson

My criticisms are based purely on his inability to communicate clearly.

Dave,

As you say, you know nothing personally of this man, and yet you have
discerned he is unable to communicate? Saman is not above criticism.
However, we, as a community, are above sweeping statements such as the ones
you have made. Constructive feedback is a vital part of progress, but
please be more considerate of your fellow community members who are working
hard to make OpenStreetMap.org a more useful tool for everyone when you
disparage not just their work, but them personally.

In addition, if you are going to take this route, please be sure to focus
your responses on ideas and products put forth, and do not make character
attacks. Having watched a video of a presentation does not entitle you or
anyone to point out a person's failings.

On Sat, Jul 20, 2013 at 9:08 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:

Hello Tom

I reject mildly resent your criticism that I made an ad hominem attack.
I know nothing personally of this man. My criticisms are based purely on
his inability to communicate clearly. As the primary reason for his lecture
was to explain the new layout I feel perfectly entitled to point out his
failings.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/**ad-hominemhttp://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/ad-hominem

You appear to believe that as he has emotions, he is above criticism.
Strange.

Dave F.

On 21/07/2013 01:42, Tom MacWright wrote:

Hi Dave,

Please be civil, we're all trying our best to be nice and make progress
here. It's inappropriate to start ad-hominem attacking developers,
especially in the case of Saman - who is in fact a designer, not to mention
a real person, in the real world, with actual emotions.

Thanks,

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Re: [Talk-us] Steady increase in the number of mappers in the US

2013-07-19 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hi Clifford,

Wow--thanks for sharing those stats! They are really interesting!

I just took a look at the link you shared and it looks like we're seeing
the number of mappers contributing on any given day. Do you know if it's
possible to find the number of mappers contributing in a week or even
month? That might give us a better sense of the real number of mappers in
the US. (They would all still be relative to other countries, but it might
give us a better indication of how we're doing. For example, when I first
saw that 202 number, I was surprised at how low it was compared to SOTMUS
attendance (380+), but knowing it's a daily tally makes far more sense.

Anyway, I think that a goal of increasing active mappers is really smart--
perhaps we could set annual or quarterly targets for ourselves?

Can you talk more about what an OSM Ambassador would do? I'm familiar w/
Fedora, but not its Ambassadors.




On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.uswrote:

 We have over 200 mappers contributing to OSM in the US driving us to
 second place, but way behind Germany. Look at OSM Stats for the details.
 http://osmstats.altogetherlost.com/index.php?item=countries

 Second place is good, but I wonder what we could be if we made it our goal
 to increase the number of active mappers. When you look at our numbers
 against our population, there is a lot of room for growth. See the chart of
 the top 10 below. The data was taken from osmstats along
 with population data from Wikipedia.

   Rank Country Population Mappers Nodes Created Nodes Modified Deleted
 Nodes New Nodes Per Mapper Mappers per 1M Population  1 Germany 80,493,000
 564 72992 40981 7174 129 7.01  2 United States 316,278,000 202 62036 18103
 23815 307 0.64  3 Russia 143,400,000 191 84192 17872 3008 441 1.33  4
 France 65,684,000 182 116333 14463 13497 639 2.77  5 Italy 59,704,082 116
 42873 10047 2603 370 1.94  6 United Kingdom 63,181,775 113 36210 4111 2233
 320 1.79  7 Poland 38,533,299 91 37578 4271 4112 413 2.36  8 Austria 8,464,554
 77 18564 4414 948 241 9.10  9 Spain 47,059,533 70 25214 3745 712 360 1.49
 10 Belgium 11,153,405 52 16430 2201 1670 316 4.66

 I'd like to suggest that we adopt a goal of increasing the number of
 active mappers in the US. I'm not sure how we accomplish it, but I'd like
 to solicit suggestions and feedback. Lets set some target goals.  I think
 this is a worth while project to work on.

 I'll start by just listing a few of my thoughts:

 We need publicity!
 Increase diversity of mappers by attracting more women and minority mappers
 Support for local groups
 OSM Ambassadors (Like Fedora Ambassadors if you are familiar with the
 linux distribution Fedora)


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Re: [Talk-us] Steady increase in the number of mappers in the US

2013-07-19 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Kai-- those are some really great ideas around publicity!

Personally, I think we'd need a dedicated PR person on staff to fully
accomplish this. That's not really feasible in the near term, though-- so
maybe we should think about ways that we can break that down into
volunteer-sized tasks? This seems like a great Birthday Sprint project...
(hint hint...)

Non OSM conferences and trade shows also seem like a great opportunity for
OSM outreach and publicity, as those events can often also reach hundreds
or
thousands of people, many of whom might act as multiplicators as they are
often the more active members in their community.

Can the folks who were at the Esri UC talk about the OSM presence, the
mapping party, and how that all went?

On Fri, Jul 19, 2013 at 12:56 PM, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com wrote:

Clifford Snow wrote
I'll start by just listing a few of my thoughts:

We need publicity!

Yes! Publicity is in my opinion one of the biggest things we need and
should
try and work on as a group. Looking at the data, it is clear that when ever
there was significant publicity on OSM, the number of editors (particularly
new ones) has shot up, at least for a while.

While local mapping events are great and important, they probably only
manage to get a handful of new mappers if at all. Having an article in a
news paper or significant blog on the other hand is likely to get many more
new mappers.

So perhaps instead of setting targets of that we want to achieve X number
of
active mappers in a certain time frame, we could set a target of aiming to
have Y articles about OSM in the press and Z talks / booths at conferences
by then.

Those targets are much more tangible than the number of active mappers as
how any given action will effect that number is rather more speculative.

As a group in osm-us, we can perhaps work on identifying likely magazines
and conferences that would have an interest in high quality open maps.
Which groups with interest might be particularly underrepresented and
therefor good candidates for outreach? Furthermore, we can exchange ideas
of
what worked best at those events in order to improve the marketing
message. E.g. how does one convince an editor that writing about OSM is
worthwhile thing to do for their audience. How can you become a guest
author to write an article for them and get it accepted? Which aspects of
OSM are particularly amenably for writing good articles? If you go to have
a
booth at a show, what are things easiest to demonstrate? What are the demos
that spark most interest?

Then we can find local volunteers who actually go to the events or talk to
editors to do the real outreach.

We still have a long way to go from the 0.6 mappers per 1M population in
the
US to the 9 mappers per 1M population in Austria, but collectively we
hopeful have enough skill and enthusiasm to really work on improving our PR
and push those numbers up.

Kai

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Re: [Talk-us] Steady increase in the number of mappers in the US

2013-07-19 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Clifford, of your 4 ideas only getting coverage in mainstream press would
probably be effective.

Hey folks,  just a quick note to be mindful of the way we're responding to
each other's ideas, and to be especially careful since as we all know,
tone is easily misread online.

(And thanks to Jason for allowing me to unfairly pull out one line from a
thoughtful message and use him as an example)
On Jul 19, 2013 6:11 PM, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hello,

 Most people would agree that we don't have nearly enough people mapping.
 Clearly, transcending our early adopter types of GIS and open source
 software people will be needed. However, effective strategies for on
 boarding the next million people are going to be very different than what
 was needed to get the first say 100,000 people signed up. I know this is
 very un PC to say, but things like mapping parties/local chapters which
 were absolutely essential to recruit the first 100,000 people, really will
 not matter much going forward. Even if you get 100 people per mapping
 party, its 15,000 mapping parties, to get the next 1.5 million mappers! We
 need to be thinking about things that will scale to lots, and lots of
 people.

 Clifford, of your 4 ideas only getting coverage in mainstream press would
 probably be effective. Besides working on mainstream press, getting people
 using our data is *and* understanding they can come in and change it is
 probably our best hope because it scales.

 1. Push back on high volume down stream data consumers that do the
 absolute minimum on working with us. For example, foursquare, who has 30
 million users, is doing an awful job supporting us. They have the OSM
 credit buried in a blog posting which a bunch of other items. They don't
 even mention that anybody can go to OSM to edit the map. Shame on them!!
 Cragslists, does a much better job. They have an OSM link on the bottom of
 the map and have a way of reporting problems on the map from their
 interface via our notes features. I am sure Cragslists has been drivings
 new mappers into the project. Other high volume consumer need to look more
 like Cragslists, and not foursquare, or Apple.

 2.We just had a big thread on this on the main talk list, but we need to
 support using our main web page for using our data for finding stuff,
 getting directions, and for mapping verticals (hiking, golf, bike, trains,
 hunting, etc).  Just today we took a step in this direction, and enabled
 the ability to use the location services to find your current position on
 the main web site! Our second fund raising round, includes a computer for
 router, and more tile servers. It looks like we are moving in this
 direction.

 3. Last bit, which we are also doing, is to improve our conversion rate.
 The new ID editor is pretty nice and I think will help.

 Its coming, I'm optimistic about our direction. But, we do need to
 understand that the project is at a new phase now. Even though it is lots
 of fun, getting together for mapping parties is not getting us the next 1.5
 million people.

 Thanks
 Jason.






 On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Clifford Snow 
 cliff...@snowandsnow.uswrote:

 We have over 200 mappers contributing to OSM in the US driving us to
 second place, but way behind Germany. Look at OSM Stats for the details.
 http://osmstats.altogetherlost.com/index.php?item=countries

 Second place is good, but I wonder what we could be if we made it our
 goal to increase the number of active mappers. When you look at our numbers
 against our population, there is a lot of room for growth. See the chart of
 the top 10 below. The data was taken from osmstats along
 with population data from Wikipedia.

   Rank Country Population Mappers Nodes Created Nodes Modified Deleted
 Nodes New Nodes Per Mapper Mappers per 1M Population  1 Germany 80,493,000
 564 72992 40981 7174 129 7.01  2 United States 316,278,000 202 62036
 18103 23815 307 0.64  3 Russia 143,400,000 191 84192 17872 3008 441 1.33
 4 France 65,684,000 182 116333 14463 13497 639 2.77  5 Italy 59,704,082
 116 42873 10047 2603 370 1.94  6 United Kingdom 63,181,775 113 36210 4111
 2233 320 1.79  7 Poland 38,533,299 91 37578 4271 4112 413 2.36  8 Austria 
 8,464,554
 77 18564 4414 948 241 9.10  9 Spain 47,059,533 70 25214 3745 712 360 1.49
 10 Belgium 11,153,405 52 16430 2201 1670 316 4.66

 I'd like to suggest that we adopt a goal of increasing the number of
 active mappers in the US. I'm not sure how we accomplish it, but I'd like
 to solicit suggestions and feedback. Lets set some target goals.  I think
 this is a worth while project to work on.

 I'll start by just listing a few of my thoughts:

 We need publicity!
 Increase diversity of mappers by attracting more women and minority
 mappers
 Support for local groups
 OSM Ambassadors (Like Fedora Ambassadors if you are familiar with the
 linux distribution Fedora)


 Cheers,
 --
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Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis

2013-07-12 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hi folks,

This is my quick interjection to give kudos to everyone in this
conversation for keeping what could have become a hostile or defensive
thread really constructive and forward looking. As someone who spends a lot
of time complaining about this mailing list, you've all done an excellent
job of proving me wrong here, so I stand corrected, and appreciate it! This
is a really great community :)

This seems like a good time to mention that on the talk-US list we're
working on planning a Birthday Sprint in August to celebrate OSM's 9th
birthday[1]. The general idea is for folks with software projects to gather
their communities (or for folks looking to help to find a project that
needs them) and take a weekend to write some code! It won't be an in-person
event, necessarily, but I think there could be a real benefit from more
eyes than usual being focused on development projects over the course of
the August 10-11. In addition, we're working on making sure that there are
tasks queued up for non-developers who want to participate.

Anyway, it sounds like there are a lot of ideas on this thread that are
already in progress, or are ripe to get started. So I hope that we'll be
able to include them in the Birthday Sprint!

Cheers,
Kathleen

[1] http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2013-July/011355.html


On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 5:25 AM, Lester Caine les...@lsces.co.uk wrote:

 Simon Poole wrote:

 As has been pointed out
 before, the competitive landscape has changed a lot with google becoming
 the near monopolist at least for online mapping services and maybe we
 have to rethink


 Cherry picking the quotes ...

 Google may be the 'first choice' but they are also in many cases simply
 the worse choice. One of my own use of OSM is to provide location maps for
 client websites. I make sure that they are on google and google+ but in
 MANY cases when you zoom in on google all you get is a white area and no
 indication of how to get to the premises.

 At the risk of being acused of advertising ... but in this case google
 also has duff info which we have tried to correct several times over the
 last year or so!
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?**lat=52.10962lon=-2.07388**
 zoom=18layers=Mhttp://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.10962lon=-2.07388zoom=18layers=M
 https://maps.google.co.uk/**maps?q=ohm%27s+mowersll=52.**
 10966,-2.074407spn=0.001341,**0.003707hq=ohm%27s+mowers**
 hnear=Broadway,+**Worcestershire,+United+**Kingdomt=mz=19https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=ohm%27s+mowersll=52.10966,-2.074407spn=0.001341,0.003707hq=ohm%27s+mowershnear=Broadway,+Worcestershire,+United+Kingdomt=mz=19

 I then add a 'get directions' button to the contact page and take people
 to a routing engine that actually knows the road a building is on ;)

 I'm happy to serve up my own tiles if needs be (the new server has been
 rending the UK since Monday!), but the services available do the job quite
 nicely at the moment.

 Education is the key here, and I certainly think that while we NEED a good
 map server, making openstreetmap.org a link to a good getting started
 page does make perfect sense. and add map.openstreetmap.org for the map
 direct and keep wiki.openstreetmap.org as the documentation front page.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis

2013-07-10 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hey folks,

This has been a really interesting and constructive conversation-- what I'm
interested in is what we do next. There are a lot of really great ideas in
here and I'd hate to see them just gathering dust.

This raises a larger issue of figuring out how we as a community move
forward when good ideas are put forth. I think it's natural for a project
like this to adopt change (large or small) slowly, and to some extent,
that's really beneficial (we wouldn't want rash decisions to grossly alter
the course of the project without thinking through consequences). However,
I think there's risk of becoming both risk- and change-averse, which can be
really detrimental.

Anyway, with my diatribe over, I'd like to return to the question of: now
what?

Cheers,
Kathleen


On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 8:43 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 2013/7/9 Michael Buege mich...@buegehome.de:
 
  Something like this?
  http://osmtools.de/osmlinks/?page=mainlang=en


 great tool, would be cool to have a variant of this implemented on the
 main map.

 cheers,
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Re: [OSM-talk] Using OpenStreetMap on a daily basis

2013-07-10 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Martin--

Excellent questions :)

For my own part, I can't see any reason why we couldn't create all of these
resources on the wiki, if they don't exist already. I'm wondering if
there's a more official way we want to display them. To some extent this
goes back to the question of the landing page, re: how people are
introduced to OSM. That's a much larger discussion, but in the mean time,
how about we set up a wiki page that lists these resources?


On Wed, Jul 10, 2013 at 10:01 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer 
dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:

 2013/7/10 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com:
  1. Routing on osm.org
 
  Routing on the main site is something that's been worked on for at
  least a year, but I think it's been closer to two years.
 
  It's a problem that requires some amount of developer time, as well as
  sys-admin time, as well as computing resources to support.


 Yes, this is known and many people are probably waiting for this, but
 it takes much less time and work to set up one (or a few) link(s) from
 the map to osm based services # routing etc. in the wiki, but we
 would have to know if we want this to happen, and if yes for what
 kind of uses/wiki pages. Who could decide on this, SWG? The board? Is
 there a process to propose this?

 cheers,
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Re: [Talk-us] Happy Birthday, OSM-- let's have a Birthday Sprint!

2013-07-09 Thread Kathleen Danielson

As far as DC, I think it would depend on how many people are interested in
attending. Let's continue the local discussion on the MappingDC list.

I love the idea of non-coding tasks, since we aren't all developers, but
many of us still really want to help. I think it would be great if people
who are involved in projects could respond to this thread (or just create
another one) with some ideas for sprint tasks for both devs and non-devs.
This would be a great opportunity to solicit testing, or get help writing
documentation, for example, as well as the more obvious development tasks.
I think what will help is if people can make clear asks before the event so
that when the Birthday Sprint comes we can hit the ground running.

I've spoken with a few of you about this, but I'll follow up off list for
some projects/tasks that I think could benefit from a little Birthday
Sprint love. Don't wait to be invited, though-- if you'd like to work on
your project and maybe organize your community around it, go for it! Feel
free to use this thread to propose an idea, or create another thread if you
want to have some more discussion around it.

Cheers!
Kathleen


On Tue, Jul 9, 2013 at 12:11 AM, Mikel Maron mikel_ma...@yahoo.com wrote:

 This is a great idea Kathleen, best way to celebrate. We want to keep up
 the momentum from SOTMUS, and pick up other projects too. In HOT, we're
 starting to organize our tech work, and this would be good timing to get
 some focus.

 For DC, where could we host it? American Red Cross may or may not be
 available. OpenGovHub is a little complicated on the weekends.

 Also, wonder if there's non-coding tasks we could pick up. There's lots of
 initiatives coming out of SOTMUS ... TeachOSM, Diversity Task Force. Within
 HOT, we have a lot of policy and communication needs.

 -Mikel

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 *Subject:* [Talk-us] Happy Birthday, OSM-- let's have a Birthday Sprint!

 Hi Everyone,

 I hope you're all enjoying your Independence Day celebrations! I'm
 thinking toward another upcoming anniversary-- OpenStreetMap's 9th
 birthday! I know that folks are planning various celebrations in cities
 around the world, and I thought that it might be a good idea to plan a
 Birthday Sprint to continue the work from the SOTMUS Sprint Days.

 So, I propose that on the weekend of August 10-11 we hold a remote
 Birthday Sprint on any and all OSM projects. What this means is that
 whoever has a project they are working on can rally their community to do a
 dedicated push over those two days. I'm thinking MapRoulette, new 
 osm.orgfeatures, iD updates-- whatever. Then, we just do it! If people want to
 host in-person sprint day events, that's fantastic, but even though being
 in the same room is vastly beneficial, it's not always feasible on a
 project like this, so the assumption is that this will be a predominantly
 remote event.

 It's been great to see all of the enthusiasm and momentum coming out of
 SOTMUS, so let's keep that going with the Birthday Sprint!

 Cheers,
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[Talk-us] Happy Birthday, OSM-- let's have a Birthday Sprint!

2013-07-04 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hi Everyone,

I hope you're all enjoying your Independence Day celebrations! I'm thinking
toward another upcoming anniversary-- OpenStreetMap's 9th birthday! I know
that folks are planning various celebrations in cities around the world,
and I thought that it might be a good idea to plan a Birthday Sprint to
continue the work from the SOTMUS Sprint Days.

So, I propose that on the weekend of August 10-11 we hold a remote Birthday
Sprint on any and all OSM projects. What this means is that whoever has a
project they are working on can rally their community to do a dedicated
push over those two days. I'm thinking MapRoulette, new osm.org features,
iD updates-- whatever. Then, we just do it! If people want to host
in-person sprint day events, that's fantastic, but even though being in the
same room is vastly beneficial, it's not always feasible on a project like
this, so the assumption is that this will be a predominantly remote event.

It's been great to see all of the enthusiasm and momentum coming out of
SOTMUS, so let's keep that going with the Birthday Sprint!

Cheers,
Kathleen
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Re: [Talk-us] Onboarding new mappers | Keeping track of changes

2013-06-26 Thread Kathleen Danielson

How clever! +1


On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:30 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
 wrote:


 2013/6/26 stevea stevea...@softworkers.com

 I regularly click on the History tab in a wide swath of Bay Area (my home
 turf) looking for new edits, and especially, new mappers.



 You might be interested in this ITTT recipe by Simone Cortesi, it is based
 on the RSS feed Pascal Neis creates, and you can easily adopt it to your
 area:
 https://ifttt.com/recipes/44673
 Every time a new user edits in your defined bounding box you'll get an
 email.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Videos of State of the Map US are up!

2013-06-23 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Johannes,

Thanks so much for taking the initiative to put the videos on archive.org!
It's very much appreciated!

Kathleen


On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Johannes Kröger 
johannes.kroe...@hcu-hamburg.de wrote:

 Hey, I forgot but now I mirrored the videos to archive.org (your friendly
 future-safe filehost).

 You can find them for streaming or download in mp4 (from Vimeo) or Ogg
 Theora at https://archive.org/search.php?query=sotmus2013 (of course it
 had to go offline for maintenance right now, heh)

 The files had to be renamed to fit the filename restrictions at IA and
 some special characters (hyphens, apostrophs) in the descriptions upset
 s3cmd so I changed them to lookalikes. I hope I made no big mistakes.

 Thanks for recording!

 Cheers, Hannes

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Re: [Talk-us] New National Parks Mailing List

2013-06-11 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Quick question: will there be opportunities for armchair mappers to help,
or are you only looking for on-the-ground knowledge?


On Tue, Jun 11, 2013 at 11:53 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.uswrote:

 During discussions in presentations at this years SOTM-US, participants
 expressed a desire to create a mailing list for people interested
 in collaborating to improving our maps of National Parks. We will use this
 list to develop goals and processes to improve mapping of National Parks.
 Joining the list will be National Parks Service employes to help us in this
 process.

 Once the presentations from State of the Map US are posted we'll get links
 out to two great presentations by Nate Irwin and Mamata Akella about how
 the National Parks Service is working with OSM to improve both official NPS
 maps as well as OSM.

 If you would like to join in other OSM mappers and the National Parks
 Service, please sign up to the new National Parks mail list at
 http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us-nps.

 --
 Clifford

 OpenStreetMap: Maps with a human touch

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Re: [OSM-talk] iD, exclusive use of tags

2013-05-23 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hi Martin-- if I'm understanding you correctly, I actually took out a bug
about this, and got a response. Looks like this is a known issue-- you can
find it here: https://github.com/systemed/iD/issues/1408


On Thu, May 23, 2013 at 9:17 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 I just discovered that iD presumes that some tags are exclusive, e.g. you
 can't add (at least not via preset) on the same way (line) more than one of
 these tags: highway, railway, power but afaik it is common practice to use
 railway=tram on the same way as highway=* (in certain circumstances).

 Right now when you click on other in this menu, the other tag that is
 considered principal by iD gets silently removed (e.g. if you click on a
 highway on other, the highway-tag is removed).

 I'd consider both of these bugs, but would like to open a discussion what
 others think about exclusive tags.

 cheers,
 Martin

 PS: Even if this might look like, I don't want to bash iD, I think it is
 a great piece of software, it simply needs some fine tuning.

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Re: [OSM-talk] iD Editor live on OpenStreetMap

2013-05-14 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hi Folks,

I'm going to repeat Mikel and gently encourage us to close out the
conversation on Firefox and browsers in general. These certainly aren't
invalid points, but I think your points have been made and heard.

For my own part, I've really enjoyed using iD-- it's been much more
accessible than P2 or JOSM for me personally, and it's made me more eager
to show my friends OSM and how to edit it. That's a pretty big win in my
book.

Thanks iD team for your hard work, and thanks everyone else for testing it
so thoroughly! I'm sure the devs appreciate the feedback!


On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 3:04 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote:

 Also, let's not all assume that performance under FF is so much better for
 PL2.

 I've found that while iD is indeed slower on FF than on Chrome, it's
 still faster than PL2 is on my laptop.

 The issues that Firefox has with iD are the same issues Firefox has
 with Leaflet when using vector graphics.

 If you look at a recent map I made, you see what I'm talking about:

 http://www.emacsen.net/nyheatmap/map2.html

 The performance of this map under Firefox is less than good, but under
 Chrome, it's just fine.

 I use FF as my main browser but am aware of this limitation of the browser.

 - Serge

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Re: [Talk-us] meta question

2013-05-11 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hi Alyssa,

You might want to think about distributing a survey to the list. The
results would be self-selecting,  of course,  but it could provide you with
more robust demographic data than is collected by the talk list system.

I'll be interested to hear about your research at SOTM!
On May 11, 2013 3:52 PM, alyssa wright alyssapwri...@gmail.com wrote:

 Thanks Ian!  Is there any way to get a breakdown of that by year, month or
 just generally since talk-us started in 2007.  As for usernames...I'm
 mostly wondering about any information regarding gender distribution, if
 that's at all possible.

 Thanks,
 Alyssa.


 On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 3:43 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote:

 I won't give you usernames (e-mails in this case), but there are 331
 people signed up for the talk-us mailing list.


 On Sat, May 11, 2013 at 2:29 PM, alyssa wright 
 alyssapwri...@gmail.comwrote:

 Hi,

 I am doing some research and analysis on the talk-us mailing list (will
 share when not a complete mess) and was wondering who I can ask about
 access to some general stats.  Specifically, people registered and
 usernames. I'll be aggregating data so nothing would be personally
 identifiable.

 Thanks,
 Alyssa.

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Re: [Talk-us] SOTM-US list for room shares

2013-05-08 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hey folks-- just a reminder to add your names to the room share list in the
wiki if you're looking for one. Room reservations need to be made pretty
much immediately because of WWDC coming into town right on our heels. Also,
the special SOTM-US rate is only in effect until *this Friday,* after which
you'll all be at the whims of the free market :P

See you in San Francisco!


On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

 Also, I found that the rates go up quite a bit after the 10th. The
 WWDC effect no doubt.

 Added my details, my room is a double queen, I'd be happy to share.

 On Sun, May 5, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
  I've started a table at
  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/State_Of_The_Map_U.S._2013#Room_sharefor
  SOTM-US room shares.
 
  Anyone considering a room share should plan it soon because the Holiday
 Inn
  Civic Center special SOTM-US rate requires booking by the 10th. Other
 hotels
  don't have a hard deadline, but rates seem to be increasing.
 
 
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Re: [OSM-talk] RFC updated: OSM Attribution Mark (was: contributor mark)

2013-04-25 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Paul, that sounds like a fair point, if I'm understanding correctly. Alex,
would it be fair to say that this is more of a recommended alternative, for
all the reasons we've stated?

Richard, can you explain a little more of why you think that the idea is
bad for OSM? The trade off that I am seeing here is reducing the
readable/indexable/searchable text in exchange for the beginnings of a
visual identifier, and a direct link to a strategic copyright page.

With regards to rebranding, I couldn't agree more that it's no small task.
However, I'm not sure why we would lose customer goodwill. While the two
are certainly linked, it might not be a bad idea for us to start another
thread on the topic of an overall OSM rebranding, just so that we don't
derail this discussion here.

Loving all of this input, everyone!


On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 7:47 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:

 The example notice for OdBL contents is “Contains information from
 DATABASE NAME, which is made available here under the Open Database License
 (ODbL).” This will *always* be acceptable as it is explicitly stated as
 meeting the requirements of 4.3. I can’t see any legal justification in the
 ODbL for allowing a mark or the example notice, but not something between.
 

 ** **

 Have you passed any of these ideas by other publishers of ODbL data or the
 ODC lists?

 ** **

 *From:* Alex Barth [mailto:a...@mapbox.com]
 *Sent:* Monday, April 22, 2013 5:40 AM
 *To:* Talk
 *Subject:* [OSM-talk] RFC updated: OSM Attribution Mark (was: contributor
 mark)

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 4. The mark is an alternative to © OpenStreetMap Contributors. Only
 where the mark can't be used, © OpenStreetMap Contributors may be used.*
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Re: [OSM-talk] RFC updated: OSM Attribution Mark (was: contributor mark)

2013-04-24 Thread Kathleen Danielson

I agree wholeheartedly with Mike's points about the current branding around
the project. However, as there has been generally positive feedback for the
design of this attribution mark, would it make sense to move forward with
using the attribution mark (since it addresses an immediate problem) and
use that as a jumping off point for rebranding OSM? Rebranding is no small
task, and it seems like it would be a shame to hold off on going ahead with
what (I'm hearing) most folks think is a good initiative so that we can
complete a rebranding initiative first.



On Wed, Apr 24, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Jean-Marc Liotier j...@liotier.org wrote:

 On 24/04/2013 16:03, Frederik Ramm wrote:

 Are you therefore saying that what has been designed as an attribution
 mark should be our new logo, or are you saying that there does not have to
 be a likeness between the logo and the attribution mark?


 Let me add the following alternative : there has to be a likeness between
 the logo and the attribution mark, in order to maintain the visual
 consistency of the brand - whatever the chosen design.


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Re: [OSM-talk] RFC updated: OSM Attribution Mark (was: contributor mark)

2013-04-22 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Agreed. I think that either With OSM or Powered By OSM would explain
the relationship a bit better than By OSM which suggests explicit
authorship of whatever is displaying the watermark. That might not always
be the case.


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:57 AM, Michal Migurski m...@teczno.com wrote:

 What about “with OSM” instead of “by OSM”?

 -mike.

 ---
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 On Apr 22, 2013, at 7:39 AM, Simon Poole si...@poole.ch wrote:


 The copyright page is now much better than before and IMHO contains the
 necessary contents. There are a couple of wording issues that are already
 present in the current version that we should address while we're at it
 (but that is mainly CWG/OWG turf) but nothing major.

 I do have a couple of issues with the icon though. First while I'm sure we
 would like to take credit for everything OSMish, doesn't by OSM imply the
 wrong thing? What we want to say is I suspect Data by OSM, that naturally
 would be rather unwiedly. Further there may be a potential (legal) issue
 with using OSM in that way that I need to discuss with counsel.

 But all in all a nice step forward.

 Simon


 Am 22.04.2013 14:40, schrieb Alex Barth:

  Hello everyone -

  I'd love to start pushing again on the OSM attribution mark.

  This is an updated proposal based on an initial RFC from earlier this
 year titled Contributor Mark [1, 2]. Sorry for the delay in following up
 with adjustments based on feedback on the original thread.

  Again, the goal of this proposal is to draw more attention to
 OpenStreetMap wherever it's used by introducing a visually compelling,
 linked symbol for placement on OSM-based works and by explaining
 OpenStreetMap better at the place where this symbol links to.

  Looking forward to your feedback. I'll also be reaching out to
 corresponding working groups and OSMF to see how we can move this forward.

  Concretely, this RFC proposes

  1. Replace current credit © OpenStreetMap Contributors with a visual
 mark where possible
 2. Update 
 `openstreetmap.org/copyright`http://openstreetmap.org/copyright%60to 
 explain better OSM, to invite visitors to join and to allow creators of
 derivative work to link back to their sites.

  The update to the original RFC brings 4 key changes:

  1. Rename the proposal from 'Contributor Mark' to 'Attribution Mark'
 2. A completely redesigned mark, containing the letters OSM
 3. A completely redesigned `/copyright` page, the page the mark links to.
 It is much closer to today's `/copyright`
 4. The mark is an alternative to © OpenStreetMap Contributors. Only
 where the mark can't be used, © OpenStreetMap Contributors may be used.

  Please read up on all details on the newly created RFC page:

  http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/RFC_Attribution_Mark

  Also take a look at the repository containing artwork and code:

  https://github.com/osmlab/attribution-mark

  Alex

  --

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Re: [Talk-us] OSMers in NYC?

2013-02-12 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hi Derick!

I'm so glad you reached out! I actually did the same thing recently when I
was in Europe-- I met up with mappers in Paris, Amsterdam, and Belgium.

I'd suggest you reach out to this OSM NYC meetup group:
http://www.meetup.com/osm-nyc/

Many of them are on this list however, so they might touch base with you
directly.

Cheers,
Kathleen


On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Derick Rethans o...@derickrethans.nlwrote:

 Hi,

 I am currently visiting NYC and was wondering whether there are any
 OSMers around here for a pub meetup (what we do in London once every
 two weeks)? I can do Wednesday and Thursday evening.

 cheers,
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Re: [Talk-us] Turn restriction dispute

2013-02-10 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Out of curiosity, is asking someone to leave the project something that we
have done before? I'm wondering what kind of precedents we've set for
ourself. I am only vaguely familiar with the circumstances around this user
being removed from the list, so I'm curious about the decision to ban
someone from the list while still allowing him or her to make edits, even
though they can no longer participate in public discourse. I'm certainly
not trying to suggest that it was the wrong decision, just mentioning my
curiosity.
On Feb 10, 2013 12:31 AM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote:

Russ, I second your vote/motion, not that anybody called for a second, or
even that I am able to offer it. What I AM able to do is be civil and
use the talk-us list, as it is our nationwide forum to discuss. There
are plenty of other consensus understandings that might be loosely called
rules which make up the fabric of OSM as a community. NE2 has again
proven that he is either unwilling or unable to abide by those.
Consequently, I think we should inform him that serious discussion of
permanently banning him from OSM (this thread) is underway, and his
behavior can either change for the better, or he can count on eventually
being permanently banned. He has had plenty of opportunities to do so, and
so I am not optimistic he will be around much longer. But if the community
wants him, that can emerge as a consensus as well.

His better (than nothing) edits are in a clear minority compared to the
usual messes he makes. He DOES, for better or worse, stir controversy,
which is why we discuss, which is part of the community. If, for that
reason alone (that he is controversial), there are those who do not wish to
ban him, speak up now, as you may (may) be able to make the case that we
need somebody like him as an example of what to do with difficult
contributors. I think it is unanimous that he is that, at least.

I wouldn't miss him if he were gone, either.

SteveA
California

He's banned from (at least) this list. Consequently, you cannot expect
him to discuss this issue here.

We had a discussion of whether to ban him from editing in the past,
which never really got resolved. It just died out. Yes, he's done a
lot of editing, and yes, some of his edits have been fruitful, but no,
some of his edits have been less than helpful. I wouldn't miss him if
he were gone.

I vote, not that anybody called for a vote, to ask him to leave.
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Re: [Talk-us] Reaching out to Local User Groups

2013-02-07 Thread Kathleen Danielson

I think a lot has to do with where it thinks you're located.


On Thu, Feb 7, 2013 at 12:11 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:

 It's nice, though I question it's accuracy:  I'm not listed there.  At
 all.  Anywhere.  And I *should* be in the gold category on that at this
 point.  Weird.


 On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 4:27 PM, Peter Dobratz pe...@dobratz.us wrote:


 On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:10 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:

 I wish there was a way to see locations of mappers beyond the first N
 closest and perhaps a way to filter by date of last activity.


 Have you seen this map?


 http://resultmaps.neis-one.org/oooc?zoom=9lat=36.11773lon=-95.87058layers=B00TFFT





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Re: [Talk-us] Reaching out to Local User Groups

2013-02-06 Thread Kathleen Danielson

I heard from a few of you, so thanks a ton! I just realized this will be a
lot easier if I give you the local groups I already have on my list. If you
organize *or are a member of* (or just know of) a local user group from
somewhere other than the areas listed below, please let me know ASAP!

New York
Chicago
Washington, DC
Boston
San Francisco (I'm combining this with Sunnyvale, but let me know if that's
incorrect and they are really two separate entities)
Seattle
St Louis
Tampa
Portland
Cleveland
Salt Lake City


On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Kathleen Danielson 
kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Calling all OSM Local User Group organizers--

 Over the last several weeks I have reached out to many of you, but I am
 certain that I missed a few. I am working on wrapping my initial findings
 on the local OSM communities in the US, but I want to ensure that you're
 all represented.

 If we have NOT directly connected about your local OSM group, please shoot
 me a quick note to let me know that and I'll have some follow up questions
 for you after that. Nothing taxing or time-consuming, I swear!

 Thanks!
 Kathleen

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Re: [Talk-us] Reaching out to Local User Groups

2013-02-06 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Re: Map -- All in good time. (Gotta write up my blog post first...)

Re: Remote meetup deployment: I love that idea and think it would be an
awesome goal 6 months from now. I'd love to have built up a local OSM user
group organizer toolkit by then, so that we can give them some tried and
tested resources to keep things going.

Re: Sponsors-- might be something that corporate OSM users would like to
sponsor...


On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 2:08 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:

 Stupid suggestion - plot these on a map.

 Would be interesting to see which high-populaion areas *don't* have a meet
 up and then see if we can organize something remotely and then some of us
 fly in for a weekend, if inclined, to kick things off.

 Costs would be $200 for SWA flights plus $200 for hotels or something. I
 suspect we could find that kind of money somewhere to sponsor someone to do
 this.

 Steve

 On Feb 6, 2013, at 6:13 AM, Kathleen Danielson 
 kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote:

 I heard from a few of you, so thanks a ton! I just realized this will be a
 lot easier if I give you the local groups I already have on my list. If you
 organize *or are a member of* (or just know of) a local user group from
 somewhere other than the areas listed below, please let me know ASAP!

 New York
 Chicago
 Washington, DC
 Boston
 San Francisco (I'm combining this with Sunnyvale, but let me know if
 that's incorrect and they are really two separate entities)
 Seattle
 St Louis
 Tampa
 Portland
 Cleveland
 Salt Lake City


 On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 2:47 PM, Kathleen Danielson 
 kathleen.daniel...@gmail.com wrote:

 Calling all OSM Local User Group organizers--

 Over the last several weeks I have reached out to many of you, but I am
 certain that I missed a few. I am working on wrapping my initial findings
 on the local OSM communities in the US, but I want to ensure that you're
 all represented.

 If we have NOT directly connected about your local OSM group, please
 shoot me a quick note to let me know that and I'll have some follow up
 questions for you after that. Nothing taxing or time-consuming, I swear!

 Thanks!
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Re: [Talk-us] Reaching out to Local User Groups

2013-02-06 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Excellent point-- what I had in mind was something along the lines of what
the Boston Python Workshop http://bostonpythonworkshop.com/about/ has
done-- they provide intro to Python workshops that encourage diversity
within the local python communities. They have had a lot of success
packaging their organizer toolkit, but they also have grants from the
Python Foundation to send trainers to the events. Obviously there are some
structural differences (looking to kick start communities, rather than
diversify existing ones, etc) but I think it's worth exploring.

I think this is something we can try on a small scale first (a few of us
from DC could head to Baltimore for a Saturday kickoff), and there is lots
more discussion to be had, but like I said-- I'd put this as a goal 6
months down the road, at least. Plenty of time to determine whether or not
it could be useful.


On Wed, Feb 6, 2013 at 5:32 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:


 On Feb 6, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Richard Weait rich...@weait.com wrote:
  hrm.  imho, having outsiders parachute in to (kick-)start a local group
 discourages local leadership.  The locals end up thinking, hey, they'll
 come back and we can do it again some time.  No need for us to organize
 anything, or something.  That's not our goal. :(

 Right, but we also know what happens when we try nothing: nothing happens.

 What we *really* want is data, rather than our opinions, on what works.
 But, that is hard and expensive to obtain :-)

 Steve
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[Talk-us] Reaching out to Local User Groups

2013-02-05 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Calling all OSM Local User Group organizers--

Over the last several weeks I have reached out to many of you, but I am
certain that I missed a few. I am working on wrapping my initial findings
on the local OSM communities in the US, but I want to ensure that you're
all represented.

If we have NOT directly connected about your local OSM group, please shoot
me a quick note to let me know that and I'll have some follow up questions
for you after that. Nothing taxing or time-consuming, I swear!

Thanks!
Kathleen
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Re: [Talk-us] OSM Edit-a-thon January 26th

2013-01-23 Thread Kathleen Danielson

No problem.

What would folks think of making this a semi-organized quarterly thing?
Monthly is probably too frequent, but quarterly might be the right pace.


On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote:

 We should definitely have 1 - 2 months lead time next time around. I know
 John's been looking at this as a casual first stab at something like that
 and we're all piling on now :)

 Let's make some more noise around this: Tweet and facebook that shiz, post
 here so we can amplify each other. Especially if you're running a local
 event. I'm getting some good responses here and hope to fill the MapBox
 conf room:

 https://twitter.com/lxbarth/status/293930779887665152

 Kathleen can you RT from @geo_dc?


 On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:34 PM, the Old Topo Depot oldto...@novacell.com
  wrote:

 Details at http://www.openstreetmap.us/.  Check back for updates before
 the event.

 Please join us for a day of editing and socializing at several US
 locations.  If you're interesting in hosting a local event, please contact
 me off-list.

 Best,

 --
 John Novak
 585-OLD-TOPOS (585-653-8676)
 http://www.linkedin.com/in/johnanovak/
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Re: [Talk-us] OSM Edit-a-thon January 26th

2013-01-23 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Awesome! So glad you'll be joining us!


On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 2:25 PM, Sax-Barnett, Melelani
barne...@trimet.orgwrote:

 I just wanted to spread the word that Portland will be having its own
 meetup for Saturday's OSM Edit-a-thon too. Sorry for the late notice-- we
 had some trouble finding a venue.

 We'll be meeting from 2-6 PM at the Radio Room at 1101 NE Alberta Street (
 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?box=yesbbox=-122.65443%2C45.55921%2C-122.65419%2C45.55936
 ).

 More info at http://calagator.org/events/1250463436

 Hope to see a good crowd there!

 -Mele Sax-Barnett
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Re: [Talk-us] OSM Edit-a-thon January 26th

2013-01-19 Thread Kathleen Danielson

Hi Steve,

Sorry we didn't get word out to you earlier-- we've put this together
somewhat rapidly, and I'm still in the process of organizing all of the
local user group community research I'm working on. Reaching out to you is
on my list! :)

I don't see any reason that your event on the 27th can't be considered a
part of the editathon, if you'd like. After the event I expect we'll put
together at least a blog post on OSM.us and we're more than happy to
include contributions from Seattle!

Cheers,
Kathleen


On Fri, Jan 18, 2013 at 1:48 PM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote:

 Could we (http://www.meetup.com/OpenStreetMap-Seattle/) get a heads up to
 these things?

 We already have an event on the 27th, would be good to be able to put
 things together as appropriate.

 Thanks

 Steve



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 Details at http://www.openstreetmap.us/.  Check back for updates before
 the event.

 Please join us for a day of editing and socializing at several US
 locations.  If you're interesting in hosting a local event, please contact
 me off-list.

 Best,

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Re: [OSM-talk] [Talk-us] Role of the Wiki

2012-12-20 Thread Kathleen Danielson


 *Some of these resources may require a
 little effort on your part, and they may not all be as well advertised
 **or interconnected as they should be,* but you have to realize that
 OpenStreetMap is eternally a work in progress, run entirely by
 volunteers who are working really hard to keep up with and channel
 that progress.


I think that the first half of that sentence is worth taking notice of,
with all due respect to the second half (and the volunteers who make it
so!). As a newcomer to OSM, I am aware that there are some really fantastic
resources out there, but I'm not really sure where to start, and that in
and of itself ends up being quite discouraging. Some more direction and
encouragement for new users could both help new mappers who share these
frustrations, as well as identify highest priority action items for
documentation improvement.

I gather there's a proposal for a new Welcome Working
Grouphttp://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Rw/Proposal:Welcome_Working_Group,
and I think that this potential group has a lot to offer in this exact
area. I 100% understand how experienced users and contributors can feel
taxed by discussions like this, but I think there is a subset of members
who are eager to help onboard new mappers. Maybe this is a good time to
re-kickstart that proposal? Personally, I'm really excited to get involved
in this aspect of the OSM community.

(apologies if I'm missing any important context/discussions happening
elsewhere)

Best,
Kathleen

On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 3:31 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote:

 Some of these resources may require a
 little effort on your part, and they may not all be as well advertised
 or interconnected as they should be,

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