Re: [Talk-cz] Singletracky u Jedovnic

[Petr Vozdecký]

Ahoj,

mam primy kontakt na provozovatele, po primarnim vysvetleni duvodu na co 
data chci jsem dostal balicek GPX dat a zakresy kratkych useku do 
orientackych map. Pravdepodobne to bude chtit jeste dalsi komunikaci nebo 
vysvetleni, ale z toho by se melo dat zakreslit vicemene vse rovnou od 
stolu. Pri pripadne osobni navsteve to pak bude uz jen o domapovani hodnot 
povrchu, sklonu, konkretnich features jako mosty apod.

Kdo ma zajem data a dalsi komunikaci prevzit?

vop


-- Původní zpráva --
Od: Tomas Janousek 
Komu: talk-cz@openstreetmap.org
Datum: 25. 4. 2016 22:14:14
Předmět: Re: [Talk-cz] Singletracky u Jedovnic

"Ahojte,

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 06:09:51PM +0200, Petr Vozdecký wrote:
> Vidim jako zajimavejsi se na ne obratit primo s zadosti o spolupraci - 
> dodani hotovych GPX apod. 
> 
> Pokud nekdo nenapise, ze to uz udelal (ze je nejak kontaktoval), udelal 
bych
> to ca v nedeli ci pondeli ja.

Kdyby to neklaplo, tak průjezd všema třema je např. v tomhle záznamu:
https://www.strava.com/activities/553450647/, okruh 1 a 3 mají přímo svoje
segmenty: https://www.strava.com/segments/11903435,
https://www.strava.com/segments/11904598. I kdyby se kvůli licenci nedalo
použít přímo tahle data, tak z heatmapy to obkreslit určitě půjde.

Plus je dobré se koukat na tenhle obrázek:
http://singlekras.cz/files/ckfiles/image/singletrail_mapa.jpg, kde je
naznačený, co je trail a co jsou původní lesní cesty.

> Pak by si to mohl prevzit nekdo, kdo ma s mapovanim MTB a cyklo nejakou 
> praxi a muze to klidne doplnit o dalsi podrobnosti, bud osobne, nebo 
> korespondencne...

(Včera jsem tam byl, ale projel jsem jen jedničku a rozhodně nebyl čas ani
možnost zaznamenávat detaily povrchu a tak, jen si matně vzpomínám, že tam
byly 2 nebo 3 mostíky. :-))

No vlastně bych to moh zkusit zmapovat sám, že... :-)

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Re: [OSM-talk] well mapped area for area navigation

[Hans De Kryger]

Phoenix Arizona
On Apr 25, 2016 8:46 PM, "maning sambale" 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm looking for an area to test navigation in light with the new OSRM
> v5 release [0]. Can anyone recommend an area which you think is
> "navigation complete" in OSM?
>
> Of course, "navigation complete means" different for different people,
> here I define navigation for car.  So I'm looking for an area that has
> "complete" map for:
>
> - roads and names
> - oneways
> - traffic signals
> - turn restrictions (including conditional turn restrictions)
> - turn lanes (including bike lanes)
> - speed limits
> - exit signs and destinations for motorways
>
> Advance thanks!
>
> [0]
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osrm-talk/2016-April/001184.html
>
> --
> cheers,
> maning
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[OSM-talk] well mapped area for area navigation

[maning sambale]

Hi,

I'm looking for an area to test navigation in light with the new OSRM
v5 release [0]. Can anyone recommend an area which you think is
"navigation complete" in OSM?

Of course, "navigation complete means" different for different people,
here I define navigation for car.  So I'm looking for an area that has
"complete" map for:

- roads and names
- oneways
- traffic signals
- turn restrictions (including conditional turn restrictions)
- turn lanes (including bike lanes)
- speed limits
- exit signs and destinations for motorways

Advance thanks!

[0] https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/osrm-talk/2016-April/001184.html

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Re: [Talk-ca] Données ouvertes de Shawinigan, QC

[Pascal Robichaud]

J'ai l'impression qu'il y a de la sensibilisation et de l'information à
faire.

Je viens de leur écrire.

Je vous tiendrai au courant.




Bonjour,

Étant citoyen impliqué en données ouvertes depuis quelques années, je me
demandais :

1) Pourquoi la Ville de Shawinigan n'utilise pas le nouveau site du
gouvernement DonneesQuebec.ca ?

2) Pourquoi une licence comme Creative Commun
 n'a pas été utilisée?


Merci

*Pascal Robichaud*
@DO101Mtl 

2016-04-25 18:46 GMT-04:00 Bruno Remy :

> Bonjour à tous,
>
> Pour votre information, Shawinigan a publié des données ouvertes sur son
> portail:
>
> http://www.shawinigan.ca/Ville/donnees-ouvertes_195.html
>
> La licence choisie n'est pas une licence Creative Commons mais une licence
> "interne":
>
> http://jmap.shawinigan.ca/doc/photos/Donn%C3%A9es%20ouvertes.conditions.Shawinigan.pdf
>
> Je ne m'aventurerai sur le terrain juridique de son interprétation, mais
> je tenais tout de même à vous partager l'information
>
>
>
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Re: [OSM-talk] Crowdfunding for OpenStreetMap in Bénin : 275km² high resolution satellite imagery for Cotonou by 1-May 2016!

[john whelan]

>John, Ulule does not charge 40%, the fees reasonably amount to 7 or 8%,
that's a notable difference.

If I donate $100 to a charity the net cost to me is $60 and $100 is more or
less available at the end.  If I donate $60 to the crowdsourcing then $55
arrives at the end.  So if we can get creative with a charity the money
goes further.  Different western countries have different rules but
basically if it can be channeled through a charity more cash ends up on the
ground.

West Africa, WHO are vacinating against polio is either there or not far
away, they need maps where do people live.  MSF have HOT projects around
that area.  Have a dig in HOT and you'll see sponsored projects around.
All the HOT projects suffer from having not that many people on the ground
for street names etc.  The charities have purchased image data before but
also DG and Mapbox have been very helpful to them.  If you're serious about
wanting to improve the state of the map in Bénin then working with a
charity might help both sides.

I note there is HOT mapping in Togo which is close by at the moment
"Bâtiments, routes, chemins, zones résidentielles" which I assume is the
sort of thing you're after.  Have a chat to the organizers of that project
and see which charities are involved if any.  There are four projects in
Bénin at the moment.

Currently for Cotonou there is some Mapbox imagery not the greatest but I
think you could squeeze a few more highways etc out of it.

The HOT mailing list is probably the place to start and to be honest I
thunk that is where the discussion should be taking place, but currently
they're distracted by a couple of earthquakes.  I think the most effective
mapping comes out of a mixture of local knowledge and armchair mapping
where the map is blank.  Some of the charities are very well organised MSF
for example have developed expertise in the optimum size of HOT project and
complexity.  They also have tame validators and that seems to be key to
getting a HOT project completed in a reasonable time frame.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_Tasking_Manager/Validating_data is
worth reading through.

The Treasury Board Canada might seem an unlikely source of assistance but
they have been instrumental in creating a open data license that is
acceptable to OSM and are working with at least one African country to use
the same license.  I think Jo has been importing a large number of schools
complete with names in one African country, it took a considerable amount
of time to get the license sorted out.  I understand if you have enough
mappers on the ground everything can get mapped but for quickness sometimes
a few high quality imports that are carefully imported can have benefits.

So if you can raise the cash fine but if you can get the imagery in other
ways perhaps a few GPS units or a few smart phones for collecting POI data
might be an acceptable way of spending the cash raised.  If your crowd
funding doesn't quite raise enough cash then sometimes there are other ways
to get the imagery.

Cheerio John



On 25 April 2016 at 18:26, nicolas chavent 
wrote:

> Hi there,
>
> Wow! None of the folks from the Association OSM Bénin nor those from the
> collective ProjetEOF who worked with the Benin mappers on this crowdfunding
> for imagery on 275km2 of Cotonou would have expected that email traffic.
>
> Great to see this talk on the talk list!
> Great also to read that this talk may develop into future new creative
> ways for Digital Globe and Map Box Satellite to assist OSM in Benin (many
> places outside of Cotonou which is likely to be handled through this
> crowdfunding) and in Western Africa (many places also) not to mention other
> places of this earth. I am not sure Christoph, if Kevin and Mikel will meet
> your criteria of 100% opendata imagery, surely this would be creative and
> awesome.
>
> A couple of points from my side, prior the mappers from Benin will talk
> and share their perspectives on this topic and the reasons that lead them
> to crowdfund for Cotonou and to bring this project to its end.
>
> At reading this thread in my late evening, comes first the surprise, that
> Simon puts up nicely, I am re-using his very words:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *I'm slightly taken back by the number of people wanting to jump in and
> make decisions for a local community on a topic that has little bearing
> outside of their region. Surely is must be their prerogative to decide how
> best to get imagery for their area, if at all (I do suspect that they will
> welcome alternative offers, but that is obviously up to them). Further I
> don't quite follow Christoph's argument. There is very very little imagery
> used in OSM that is available on open (data) terms. As long as the results
> of tracing etc  are essentially unencumbered nobody seems to have had
> issues with using non-free sources starting off with yahoo in 2007 and yes
> we've paid with money and in other ways for imagery in 

[OSM-talk-be] Nice OSM POI maps for © lovers

[André Pirard]

Example .

Not all walks are signposted.
But who cares, with a GPS and a map?

Also see Leaflet. 

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Re: [Talk-ca] Données ouvertes de Shawinigan, QC

[James]

Si, en raison de votre non-respect des présentes conditions
d’utilisation, la Ville est poursuivie ou sommée de donner de l’argent à
qui que ce soit, vous vous engagez à prendre fait et cause pour la
Ville et à la rembourser pour tous les dommages qu’elle pourrait subir
par votre faute.

Est un autre probleme Ottawa a la meme clause et fait en sorte que ce n'est
pas compatible
On Apr 25, 2016 6:51 PM, "James"  wrote:

> Chu pas un avocat, mais
> Cette partie pourrais causer des troubles
>
> "Vous reconnaissez que cette licence ne vous accorde pas de droits
> d’auteur ou de propriété sur les données. Si vous diffusez ou donnez
> accès à ces données à un tiers, vous vous engagez à inclure une
> copie des présentes conditions d’utilisation, ou à en fournir l’adresse
> URL, et à vous assurer que ladite personne les accepte et y est liée,
> sans introduire aucune restriction supplémentaire de quelque nature
> que ce soit."
> On Apr 25, 2016 6:48 PM, "Bruno Remy"  wrote:
>
>> Bonjour à tous,
>>
>> Pour votre information, Shawinigan a publié des données ouvertes sur son
>> portail:
>>
>> http://www.shawinigan.ca/Ville/donnees-ouvertes_195.html
>>
>> La licence choisie n'est pas une licence Creative Commons mais une
>> licence "interne":
>>
>> http://jmap.shawinigan.ca/doc/photos/Donn%C3%A9es%20ouvertes.conditions.Shawinigan.pdf
>>
>> Je ne m'aventurerai sur le terrain juridique de son interprétation, mais
>> je tenais tout de même à vous partager l'information
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-ca] Données ouvertes de Shawinigan, QC

[James]

Chu pas un avocat, mais
Cette partie pourrais causer des troubles

"Vous reconnaissez que cette licence ne vous accorde pas de droits
d’auteur ou de propriété sur les données. Si vous diffusez ou donnez
accès à ces données à un tiers, vous vous engagez à inclure une
copie des présentes conditions d’utilisation, ou à en fournir l’adresse
URL, et à vous assurer que ladite personne les accepte et y est liée,
sans introduire aucune restriction supplémentaire de quelque nature
que ce soit."
On Apr 25, 2016 6:48 PM, "Bruno Remy"  wrote:

> Bonjour à tous,
>
> Pour votre information, Shawinigan a publié des données ouvertes sur son
> portail:
>
> http://www.shawinigan.ca/Ville/donnees-ouvertes_195.html
>
> La licence choisie n'est pas une licence Creative Commons mais une licence
> "interne":
>
> http://jmap.shawinigan.ca/doc/photos/Donn%C3%A9es%20ouvertes.conditions.Shawinigan.pdf
>
> Je ne m'aventurerai sur le terrain juridique de son interprétation, mais
> je tenais tout de même à vous partager l'information
>
>
>
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[Talk-ca] Données ouvertes de Shawinigan, QC

[Bruno Remy]

Bonjour à tous,

Pour votre information, Shawinigan a publié des données ouvertes sur son
portail:

http://www.shawinigan.ca/Ville/donnees-ouvertes_195.html

La licence choisie n'est pas une licence Creative Commons mais une licence
"interne":
http://jmap.shawinigan.ca/doc/photos/Donn%C3%A9es%20ouvertes.conditions.Shawinigan.pdf

Je ne m'aventurerai sur le terrain juridique de son interprétation, mais je
tenais tout de même à vous partager l'information



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Re: [OSM-talk] Crowdfunding for OpenStreetMap in Bénin : 275km² high resolution satellite imagery for Cotonou by 1-May 2016!

[nicolas chavent]

Hi there,

Wow! None of the folks from the Association OSM Bénin nor those from the
collective ProjetEOF who worked with the Benin mappers on this crowdfunding
for imagery on 275km2 of Cotonou would have expected that email traffic.

Great to see this talk on the talk list!
Great also to read that this talk may develop into future new creative ways
for Digital Globe and Map Box Satellite to assist OSM in Benin (many places
outside of Cotonou which is likely to be handled through this crowdfunding)
and in Western Africa (many places also) not to mention other places of
this earth. I am not sure Christoph, if Kevin and Mikel will meet your
criteria of 100% opendata imagery, surely this would be creative and
awesome.

A couple of points from my side, prior the mappers from Benin will talk and
share their perspectives on this topic and the reasons that lead them to
crowdfund for Cotonou and to bring this project to its end.

At reading this thread in my late evening, comes first the surprise, that
Simon puts up nicely, I am re-using his very words:












*I'm slightly taken back by the number of people wanting to jump in and
make decisions for a local community on a topic that has little bearing
outside of their region. Surely is must be their prerogative to decide how
best to get imagery for their area, if at all (I do suspect that they will
welcome alternative offers, but that is obviously up to them). Further I
don't quite follow Christoph's argument. There is very very little imagery
used in OSM that is available on open (data) terms. As long as the results
of tracing etc  are essentially unencumbered nobody seems to have had
issues with using non-free sources starting off with yahoo in 2007 and yes
we've paid with money and in other ways for imagery in many places.*

Frederik, field work is highly valued and practised in Benin and Western
Africa as reflected in mappers stats, lists, wiki, social media (Twitter
and Facebook) of mappers and local groups. The Benin guys as emailed have
been actively mapping via field survey and remote mapping in Benin and
Western Africa over the past 3 years. They have been active also in Cotonou
through this time, with their own means, voluntarily in a poor country.
They figured out that this situation had to change in Cotonou and got
organized. One thing, you can be positive about, is that access to high res
imagery over Cotonou will not kill their appetite for field work.

Christoph you are right. Yes, it would have been better to acquire an
imagery that could be fully distributed in opendata and not for tracing in
OSM only the way this work for Bing, MapBox, specific humanitarian contexts
(some Charter activations, the Imagery To The Crowd/ Map Give program of
the US State Department) but this was out of reach. Shall the Benin folks
have to keep surveying voluntarily the economic capital of their country
instead of making the current compromise which has many precedents in OSM?
Although the imagery is not fully served and distributed in opendata,
through the generating of OSM data over Cotonou, it will mark a
breakthrough for the local opendata movement by making the OSM base map of
the city available to all. Like in many other places, this eventually will
foster over time via a critical mass approach, the opening of geographical
information. This is in that sense that opendata is meant in the email,
blog post and project description in Ulule. Last, I agree with your idea
(seeking full opendata imagery) but think that in making it happening one
shall differentiate territories and contexts and that Cotonou, Benin is not
ideal.

John, Ulule does not charge 40%, the fees reasonably amount to 7 or 8%,
that's a notable difference.

John, Kevin and Mikel. Without commenting any further Simon first
paragraph. Technically, what you are proposing (*using the crowdfunding
money for other purposes*) may not even be possible or at least is not a
good practise (not to say more). This may result into back clashes and
distrust with the over 56 people who funded this project (*the purchase of
high resolution imagery over Cotonou for OSM Benin*) or a bad record with
Ulule. This can be negative for OSM Benin folks in the future shall they
decide to crowdfund again for a similar or a different need.

Kevin and Mikel, the @OSMBenin twitter account indicates that
- your offers to assist OSM Bénin on Cotonou with imagery on the behalf of
Digital Globe and Mapbox have been well heard.
- the imagery need over that part of Cotonou will be addressed via this
crowdfunding.
- OSM Benin is keen on submitting other Areas Of Interest (AOIs) in Benin
and in Western African in coordination with other Western African local OSM
groups, they indicate that they are working on a uMap with priority AOIs.
This could be a creative and positive development of this crowdfunding.

Last, John which charities have you in minds to come to Benin and do the
field work Kevin alluded to for the amount OSM Benin 

Re: [Talk-br] Limite de cidades com distritos

[santamariense]

@naoliv - Eh verdade... me enganei... :)

Eu estou convicto que temos que adicionar um admin_level=11. Deslocar
mesorregião / microrregião não deve ser feito porque não podemos
esquecer que os níveis administrativos devem ser equivalente aos
usados em outros países.

Não acho que os niveis 9 e 10 devam estar completos para se usar o 11.
Uma vez que distritos (admin_level=10) preenchem todo o território
nacional, mas subdistritos e bairros não.

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Re: [Talk-GB] SotM: Call for session proposals and Scholarship fund

[Rob Nickerson]

As a quick follow up - today we approved the ticketing system for SotM so
expect that to go online shortly. Just waiting a blog post to be prepared.

This took a tad longer than hoped because we opted to switch away from
EventBrite and move ticketing in house to OSMF's backend. The time
committed this year is well worth it given the fees we save through not
having to rely on EventBrite. This is money that can be channelled into our
scholarship programme :-)

Best,
*Rob*

On 25 April 2016 at 22:41, Rob Nickerson  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> (cross-post to the lists I am member of)
>
> I'm delighted to report that the planning for State of the Map 2016 is
> going well.
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[Talk-GB] SotM: Call for session proposals and Scholarship fund

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

(cross-post to the lists I am member of)

I'm delighted to report that the planning for State of the Map 2016 is
going well. We have now opened the call for session proposals
(presentations). You have until Saturday 21st May to submit your idea.
Please see:
https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2016/04/19/propose-your-session-to-state-of-the-map-2016/

We have also opened the scholarship programme. This has the same deadline
so don't hesitate. The option is there if you need it so don’t let the cost
of travel stand in your way!
https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2016/04/25/we-want-you-at-state-of-the-map-apply-for-a-scholarship/

Best regards,
*Rob*

p.s. There are still sponsorship opportunities should your business want to
support OSM via this route. If interested drop me a note.
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[Talk-gb-westmidlands] SotM: Call for session proposals and Scholarship fund

[Rob Nickerson]

Hi all,

(cross-post to the lists I am member of)

I'm delighted to report that the planning for State of the Map 2016 is
going well. We have now opened the call for session proposals
(presentations). You have until Saturday 21st May to submit your idea.
Please see:
https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2016/04/19/propose-your-session-to-state-of-the-map-2016/

We have also opened the scholarship programme. This has the same deadline
so don't hesitate. The option is there if you need it so don’t let the cost
of travel stand in your way!
https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2016/04/25/we-want-you-at-state-of-the-map-apply-for-a-scholarship/

Best regards,
*Rob*

p.s. There are still sponsorship opportunities should your business want to
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Re: [Talk-ca] Bicycle GPS tracks

[Bruno Remy]

I agree with you John, about Strava :
it's very helpfull and also available as an imagery layer in JOSM editor.

Bruno
Le 25 avr. 2016 3:52 PM, "John Marshall"  a écrit :

> The one cool thing about Strava; is Strava Slide. It makes it very easy to
> map paths. It also shows bike track.
>
> http://labs.strava.com/slide/
>
> I have found it very handy mapping trails in Gatineau park
>
> Cheers
>
>
> John
>
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 3:23 PM, John Whelan 
> wrote:
>
>> My local city is purchasing bicycle GPS track data from a company that
>> has a fitness app.  Apparently many cities would like this sort of data.
>> However it doesn't capture those who don't have a smartphone nor those who
>> choose not to install a commercial app on their phone.
>>
>> OSM has a history of capturing GPS data from devices, and having well
>> written procedures to upload it.
>>
>> I don't think it needs the current GPS trace database cluttering up with
>> more traces but could the cycling fraternity come up with a process to
>> store this type of data as open data?
>>
>> Thanks John
>>
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Capter Community Interest Statement Form CIC36

[Rob Nickerson]

Thanks Brian,

The CIC form makes the vision much clearer (unlike the AoA which is always
going to be a legalise-esque dull document). It's a good reminder of why we
are doing this :-)

The first activity listed touches on "provid[ing] a mechanism for
developing as a community rather than as disparate, scattered individual".
This follows on from my recent comments on the AoA and the contrast I drew
between the template AoA and the Constitution of the (Unincorporated
Association) WM-ODUG. That constitution set out how decision making works
amongst the members which is one element of the activities aim to develop a
community. It's very different from the current proposed AoA for
OpenStreetMap United Kingdom.

Today we have the opportunity to make the AoA more about our desired way of
working, and not just the legal text we refer to when something goes wrong.
In fact one could argue that if the AoA don't match our desired way of
working (the AoA is the Constitution after all) then something has "gone
wrong" before we even start.

As always I look forward to hearing the views of others on this matter.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Bicycle GPS traces - more opendata

[Craig Wallace]

On 2016-04-25 21:55, John Whelan wrote:

Apols it looks as if only pact of my message got sent.

My local city is purchasing bicycle GPS track data from a company that
has a fitness app.  Apparently many cities would like this sort of
data.  However it doesn't capture those who don't have a smartphone nor
those who choose not to install a commercial app on their phone.

OSM has a history of capturing GPS data from devices, and having well
written procedures to upload it.

I don't think it needs the current GPS trace database cluttering up with
more traces but could the cycling fraternity come up with a process to
store this type of data as open data?


Is it from Strava? Strava are already supporting OSM in a few different 
ways.
eg the default maps on the Strava website are OSM based (from Mapbox). 
And the routing uses OSM data.


For contributing to OSM, they allow tracing from their global heatmap. 
This may not be as useful as having the raw GPS traces, but it is easy 
to spot popular cycling routes, and improve the accuracy of roads that 
are already mapped.


Some more details on the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Strava


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[RN]

Aš niekaip nesuprantu, kaip šita diskusija galėtų padėti OSM'ui
Lietuvoje: kaip ji padės, kad atsirastų daugiau žymėtojų, o ne
kalbėtojų, kad atsirastų daugiau esamus OSM resursus ir duomenų kokybę

Atsiprašau, kad aš daugiau kalbėtojas nei žymėtojas. Džiugu girdėti, kad aš 
šešis šimtus pakeitimų padariau veltui.



On April 26, 2016 12:09:06 AM Tomas Straupis  wrote:


Manau pats laikas rašyti <...> ir klausti asmeniškai
jo, kas pažeidžia autorines teises, o kas ne.


  Klausykit, o gal jau gana šitos temos apie softo licencijas? :-)

  Aš niekaip nesuprantu, kaip šita diskusija galėtų padėti OSM'ui
Lietuvoje: kaip ji padės, kad atsirastų daugiau žymėtojų, o ne
kalbėtojų, kad atsirastų daugiau esamus OSM resursus ir duomenų kokybę
prižiūrinčių, savo produktus kuriančių, ir kad komercinės
organizacijos labiau atrastų ir imtų realiai naudoti OSM, o gal net ir
prisidėtų prie jo vystymo.

  Geros ir ramios nakties visiems!

--
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[OSM-talk] mappers in Wilmington, Delaware?

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Are there any mappers in or near Wilmington? It might be worth surveying this 
address:
1209 North Orange Street in Wilmington

With just one node we could cover the address of 285000 companies ;-)

http://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/apr/25/delaware-tax-loophole-1209-north-orange-trump-clinton?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Gmail

Cheers,
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Re: [Talk-GB] Crediting OSM (was Birdtrack using OSM maps)

[ael]

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 08:39:31PM +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> 
> I noticed recently that it was using OpenStreetMap data; at my
> instigation, it now also prominently credits OSM.


I noticed that my local library was using OSM but with no accreditation.

When I looked (as I recall, on the wiki) for a link to send them, I had
to dig deep and just found this:
https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/48/can-i-use-these-maps-on-my-website

I seem to remember that the request to credit OSM used to be prominent,
but that no longer seems to be the case, so I could understand how it
might be overlooked.

I sent an polite email on 24th Feb asking them to add the credit, but have
had no reply.

So perhaps the request for credit needs to be more prominent?

Meanwhile, perhaps others might also complain? The offending site is
https://www.oxfordshire.gov.uk/cms/content/witney-library
As you can see there, their email address is
witney.libr...@oxfordshire.gov.uk .

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Re: [Talk-lt] Osmand

[Tomas Straupis]

> Manau pats laikas rašyti <...> ir klausti asmeniškai
> jo, kas pažeidžia autorines teises, o kas ne.

  Klausykit, o gal jau gana šitos temos apie softo licencijas? :-)

  Aš niekaip nesuprantu, kaip šita diskusija galėtų padėti OSM'ui
Lietuvoje: kaip ji padės, kad atsirastų daugiau žymėtojų, o ne
kalbėtojų, kad atsirastų daugiau esamus OSM resursus ir duomenų kokybę
prižiūrinčių, savo produktus kuriančių, ir kad komercinės
organizacijos labiau atrastų ir imtų realiai naudoti OSM, o gal net ir
prisidėtų prie jo vystymo.

  Geros ir ramios nakties visiems!

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[OSM-talk] Bicycle GPS traces - more opendata

[John Whelan]

Apols it looks as if only pact of my message got sent.

My local city is purchasing bicycle GPS track data from a company that 
has a fitness app.  Apparently many cities would like this sort of 
data.  However it doesn't capture those who don't have a smartphone nor 
those who choose not to install a commercial app on their phone.


OSM has a history of capturing GPS data from devices, and having well 
written procedures to upload it.


I don't think it needs the current GPS trace database cluttering up with 
more traces but could the cycling fraternity come up with a process to 
store this type of data as open data?


Thanks John
--
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Re: [OSM-talk] Crowdfunding for OpenStreetMap in Bénin : 275km² high resolution satellite imagery for Cotonou by 1-May 2016!

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> Il giorno 25 apr 2016, alle ore 20:41, Christoph Hormann 
>  ha scritto:
> 
> what is most readily available and most convenient for them and there 
> is little incentive in providing alternatives just because they are 
> open if they don't provide significant advantages for practical use.


regarding Bing aerial imagery, other imagery will likely be better referenced, 
at least this is my experience around here, even if the resolution of Bing 
might be higher.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] R25, Maperitive et orientation d'objets

[ades_...@orange.fr]

Cela dit, pour le cas (strict des édifices du culte catholique romain) ça 
serait un projet très intéressant pour OSM de pouvoir distinguer les édifices 
du culte catholique orientés ou pas (en tous cas pour la France), à condition 
que l’histoire de l’édifice soit renseignée…
> Le 25 avr. 2016 à 22:09, ades_...@orange.fr a écrit :
> 
> Ce ne serait pas mal de ne pas utiliser le terme « orienter » à propos 
> d’église. Une église « orientée » possède strictement son choeur à l’est ! 
> Dans les autres cas, bin… elle n’est pas orientée… et pour la décrire, l’on 
> parle de façade avant au lieu de façade ouest, etc.
> Donc avant de mettre (pas orienter ;-) ) un symbole sur un édifice religieux 
> dans un certain sens il faudrait savoir quel est l’axe de cet édifice, et ça… 
> je ne vois pas où OSM  l’info peut-être mise dans OSM. Sauf à indiquer 
> précisément la position du choeur, et encore… Pour les mosquées et les 
> synagogues, je ne connais pas assez (il n’y en a que peu dans le patrimoine 
> fr), mais je crains que ce ne soit le même problème, quel est le gisement du 
> mihrab dans les mosquées ? peut-on le vérifier ? Quel angle donner au symbole 
> en fonction de la latitude ? Et ça vaut aussi pour les églises… combien 
> d’églises ne sont pas orientées ? Beaucoup ! Faudrait faire du 
> ‘micro-mapping’ et être capable pour chaque édifice religieux de lui donner 
> un axe, bonjour les querelles théologiques et surtout les erreurs de la part 
> des contributeurs, en général de bonne foi, mais bon … ;-)
> Donc, le symbole dans le sens de lecture de la carte me va très bien. ;-)
> 
> 
>> Le 25 avr. 2016 à 14:13, Philippe Verdy > > a écrit :
>> 
>> Le 25 avril 2016 à 11:46, Jean-Marc Liotier > > a écrit :
>> On 25/04/2016 00:46, Philippe Verdy wrote:
>> Si on veut faire une carte ayant ces types d'ajustements spécifiques, il 
>> faut une base de données complémentaire, spécifique au rendu à faire, hors 
>> OSM (c'est ce que fait MapQuest pour placer plus judicieusement certains 
>> libellés importants ou les sélectionner selon des critères qu'ils 
>> considèrent plus pertinents, notamment pour les faibles niveaux de zoom, 
>> afin de les placer en priorité avant tout le reste issu d'OSM et qui sera 
>> placé de façon automatisée s'il reste de la place).
>> 
>> Intéressante cette manière de maintenir les ajustements spécifiques... C'est 
>> mieux que le post-traitement manuel à chaque nouvelle publication - 
>> j'imagine une table avec des identifiants d'objets OSM et pour chacun 
>> d'entre eux une orientation et une position... Il y a de la documentation 
>> publique décrivant l'outillage de Mapquest ?
>> 
>> Non ce n'est pas dopcumenté mais ces ajustements sont stables quand les 
>> données OSM bougent... jusqu'à ce qu'un objet soit supprimé et recréé (mais 
>> MapQuest semble maintenant détecter ça aussi en faisant des rapprochements 
>> quand l'ID a changé, ou alors il y a un adminsitrateur qui suit les objets 
>> modifiés manuellement par Mapquest et qui sont supprimés d'OSM pour voir 
>> s'il faut les garder encore ou reprendre un nouvel objet.
>> Mapquest ne fait pas que ça car il arrive aussi à garder des versions 
>> anciennes d'objets quand ils sont supprimés ou cassés par erreur dans OSM.
>> Je ne vois pas comment ils peuvent faire ça sans une base annexe contenant 
>> des tags supplémentaires bien à eux, dont certains spécifiques à chaque 
>> niveau de zoom pour leur rendu. Mais c'est efficace par exemple pour 
>> positionner les noms de baies, orienter les bras de mer, déplacer de façon 
>> plus appropriée des noms de pays; ils ajoutent aussi par endroit des 
>> libellés très décalés avec des filets pour désigner les zones. Ils ont aussi 
>> des noms d'objets bien à eux (différents de ceux d'OSM), et reconnaissent 
>> plus d'alias/synonymes que ceux trouvés dans OSM.
>> Il semblerait aussi qu'ils soient capables aussi de dessiner des frontières 
>> politiques de pays selon le pays d'origine du visiteur (en cas de conflit 
>> territorial). ils se sont adaptés aux demandes de leurs clients payants.
>> 
>> Je n'ai pas vu s'ils mettaient ce code de gestion de données spécifiques en 
>> open-source ni aucune doc concernant les crtères de rapprochement utilisés.
>> 
>> Mais l'idée d'utiliser une base annexe n'est pas nouvelle, OSM le suggère 
>> lui-même dans ses propres docs. Tout n'a pas vocation à être dans OSM, à 
>> commencer par les tags pour le rendu, mais il n'empêche qu'il faut bien les 
>> stocker quelque part et qu'il n'est pas question que les employés de 
>> Mapquest passent leur temps à sans arrêt rééditer manuellement les mêmes 
>> ajustements pour fixer des priorités d'affichage, des orientations, des 
>> tailles de polices, des icônes alternatives, etc. ou pouvoir afficher des 
>> données statistiques liées à d'autres bases de données (plus à jour que les 
>> données dans OSM et à peu 

Re: [Talk-cz] Singletracky u Jedovnic

[Tomas Janousek]

Ahojte,

On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 06:09:51PM +0200, Petr Vozdecký wrote:
> Vidim jako zajimavejsi se na ne obratit primo s zadosti o spolupraci - 
> dodani hotovych GPX apod. 
> 
> Pokud nekdo nenapise, ze to uz udelal (ze je nejak kontaktoval), udelal bych
> to ca v nedeli ci pondeli ja.

Kdyby to neklaplo, tak průjezd všema třema je např. v tomhle záznamu:
https://www.strava.com/activities/553450647/, okruh 1 a 3 mají přímo svoje
segmenty: https://www.strava.com/segments/11903435,
https://www.strava.com/segments/11904598. I kdyby se kvůli licenci nedalo
použít přímo tahle data, tak z heatmapy to obkreslit určitě půjde.

Plus je dobré se koukat na tenhle obrázek:
http://singlekras.cz/files/ckfiles/image/singletrail_mapa.jpg, kde je
naznačený, co je trail a co jsou původní lesní cesty.

> Pak by si to mohl prevzit nekdo, kdo ma s mapovanim MTB a cyklo nejakou 
> praxi a muze to klidne doplnit o dalsi podrobnosti, bud osobne, nebo 
> korespondencne...

(Včera jsem tam byl, ale projel jsem jen jedničku a rozhodně nebyl čas ani
možnost zaznamenávat detaily povrchu a tak, jen si matně vzpomínám, že tam
byly 2 nebo 3 mostíky. :-))

No vlastně bych to moh zkusit zmapovat sám, že... :-)

-- 
Tomáš Janoušek, a.k.a. Pivník, a.k.a. Liskni_si, http://work.lisk.in/


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] R25, Maperitive et orientation d'objets

[ades_...@orange.fr]

Ce ne serait pas mal de ne pas utiliser le terme « orienter » à propos 
d’église. Une église « orientée » possède strictement son choeur à l’est ! Dans 
les autres cas, bin… elle n’est pas orientée… et pour la décrire, l’on parle de 
façade avant au lieu de façade ouest, etc.
Donc avant de mettre (pas orienter ;-) ) un symbole sur un édifice religieux 
dans un certain sens il faudrait savoir quel est l’axe de cet édifice, et ça… 
je ne vois pas où OSM  l’info peut-être mise dans OSM. Sauf à indiquer 
précisément la position du choeur, et encore… Pour les mosquées et les 
synagogues, je ne connais pas assez (il n’y en a que peu dans le patrimoine 
fr), mais je crains que ce ne soit le même problème, quel est le gisement du 
mihrab dans les mosquées ? peut-on le vérifier ? Quel angle donner au symbole 
en fonction de la latitude ? Et ça vaut aussi pour les églises… combien 
d’églises ne sont pas orientées ? Beaucoup ! Faudrait faire du ‘micro-mapping’ 
et être capable pour chaque édifice religieux de lui donner un axe, bonjour les 
querelles théologiques et surtout les erreurs de la part des contributeurs, en 
général de bonne foi, mais bon … ;-)
Donc, le symbole dans le sens de lecture de la carte me va très bien. ;-)


> Le 25 avr. 2016 à 14:13, Philippe Verdy  a écrit :
> 
> Le 25 avril 2016 à 11:46, Jean-Marc Liotier  > a écrit :
> On 25/04/2016 00:46, Philippe Verdy wrote:
> Si on veut faire une carte ayant ces types d'ajustements spécifiques, il faut 
> une base de données complémentaire, spécifique au rendu à faire, hors OSM 
> (c'est ce que fait MapQuest pour placer plus judicieusement certains libellés 
> importants ou les sélectionner selon des critères qu'ils considèrent plus 
> pertinents, notamment pour les faibles niveaux de zoom, afin de les placer en 
> priorité avant tout le reste issu d'OSM et qui sera placé de façon 
> automatisée s'il reste de la place).
> 
> Intéressante cette manière de maintenir les ajustements spécifiques... C'est 
> mieux que le post-traitement manuel à chaque nouvelle publication - j'imagine 
> une table avec des identifiants d'objets OSM et pour chacun d'entre eux une 
> orientation et une position... Il y a de la documentation publique décrivant 
> l'outillage de Mapquest ?
> 
> Non ce n'est pas dopcumenté mais ces ajustements sont stables quand les 
> données OSM bougent... jusqu'à ce qu'un objet soit supprimé et recréé (mais 
> MapQuest semble maintenant détecter ça aussi en faisant des rapprochements 
> quand l'ID a changé, ou alors il y a un adminsitrateur qui suit les objets 
> modifiés manuellement par Mapquest et qui sont supprimés d'OSM pour voir s'il 
> faut les garder encore ou reprendre un nouvel objet.
> Mapquest ne fait pas que ça car il arrive aussi à garder des versions 
> anciennes d'objets quand ils sont supprimés ou cassés par erreur dans OSM.
> Je ne vois pas comment ils peuvent faire ça sans une base annexe contenant 
> des tags supplémentaires bien à eux, dont certains spécifiques à chaque 
> niveau de zoom pour leur rendu. Mais c'est efficace par exemple pour 
> positionner les noms de baies, orienter les bras de mer, déplacer de façon 
> plus appropriée des noms de pays; ils ajoutent aussi par endroit des libellés 
> très décalés avec des filets pour désigner les zones. Ils ont aussi des noms 
> d'objets bien à eux (différents de ceux d'OSM), et reconnaissent plus 
> d'alias/synonymes que ceux trouvés dans OSM.
> Il semblerait aussi qu'ils soient capables aussi de dessiner des frontières 
> politiques de pays selon le pays d'origine du visiteur (en cas de conflit 
> territorial). ils se sont adaptés aux demandes de leurs clients payants.
> 
> Je n'ai pas vu s'ils mettaient ce code de gestion de données spécifiques en 
> open-source ni aucune doc concernant les crtères de rapprochement utilisés.
> 
> Mais l'idée d'utiliser une base annexe n'est pas nouvelle, OSM le suggère 
> lui-même dans ses propres docs. Tout n'a pas vocation à être dans OSM, à 
> commencer par les tags pour le rendu, mais il n'empêche qu'il faut bien les 
> stocker quelque part et qu'il n'est pas question que les employés de Mapquest 
> passent leur temps à sans arrêt rééditer manuellement les mêmes ajustements 
> pour fixer des priorités d'affichage, des orientations, des tailles de 
> polices, des icônes alternatives, etc. ou pouvoir afficher des données 
> statistiques liées à d'autres bases de données (plus à jour que les données 
> dans OSM et à peu près cohérente en terme de date et de complétude).
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Re: [Talk-ca] Bicycle GPS tracks

[John Marshall]

The one cool thing about Strava; is Strava Slide. It makes it very easy to
map paths. It also shows bike track.

http://labs.strava.com/slide/

I have found it very handy mapping trails in Gatineau park

Cheers


John

On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 3:23 PM, John Whelan  wrote:

> My local city is purchasing bicycle GPS track data from a company that has
> a fitness app.  Apparently many cities would like this sort of data.
> However it doesn't capture those who don't have a smartphone nor those who
> choose not to install a commercial app on their phone.
>
> OSM has a history of capturing GPS data from devices, and having well
> written procedures to upload it.
>
> I don't think it needs the current GPS trace database cluttering up with
> more traces but could the cycling fraternity come up with a process to
> store this type of data as open data?
>
> Thanks John
>
>
> --
> Sent from Postbox
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[Talk-GB] Birdtrack using OSM maps

[Andy Mabbett]

[NB: Cross-posted]

Birdtrack:

   http://app.bto.org/birdtrack/portal.jsp

is an online citizen science website, operated by the British Trust
for Ornithology (BTO) on behalf of a partnership of the BTO, the RSPB,
BirdWatch Ireland, the Scottish Ornithologists' Club and the Welsh
Ornithological Society. It allows individuals or organisations to
submit the names and numbers of birds seen in a specified location in
Britain or Ireland.

I noticed recently that it was using OpenStreetMap data; at my
instigation, it now also prominently credits OSM.

If you can, do submit bird sightings and counts to BirdTrack.

-- 
Andy Mabbett
@pigsonthewing
http://pigsonthewing.org.uk

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[Talk-ca] Bicycle GPS tracks

[John Whelan]

My local city is purchasing bicycle GPS track data from a company that 
has a fitness app.  Apparently many cities would like this sort of 
data.  However it doesn't capture those who don't have a smartphone nor 
those who choose not to install a commercial app on their phone.


OSM has a history of capturing GPS data from devices, and having well 
written procedures to upload it.


I don't think it needs the current GPS trace database cluttering up with 
more traces but could the cycling fraternity come up with a process to 
store this type of data as open data?


Thanks John


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[OSM-talk] Bicycle GPS traces - more opendata

[john whelan]

My local city is purchasing bicycle GPS track data from a company that has
a fitness app.  Apparently many cities would like this sort of data.
However it doesn
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Re: [Talk-lt] Osmand

[RN]

Manau pats laikas rašyti Osmand autoriui Виктор Щерб ir klausti asmeniškai 
jo, kas pažeidžia autorines teises, o kas ne.




On April 25, 2016 5:51:14 PM Albertas Agejevas  wrote:


On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 06:17:56PM +0300, Domas Jokubauskis wrote:

Tiesiogiai naudojat GPL kodą ir pasakojat apie „agregatą“. Jei rimčiau
platinsit savo produktą manau, kad tikrai dėl to turėsit problemų, jei
netaikysit visam kodui GPL. Jei nepatinka GPL, galėjot maps.me imti kaip
pagrindą.


Bet problemų turės tik tuo atveju, jei OsmAnd copyrightų turėtojai
(OsmAnd BV) pareikš pretenzijas.

Albertas

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Re: [OSM-talk] Crowdfunding for OpenStreetMap in Bénin : 275km² high resolution satellite imagery for Cotonou by 1-May 2016!

[Simon Poole]

Am 25.04.2016 um 20:41 schrieb Christoph Hormann:
> I tried to clarify my standpoint in my reply to Frederik.
>
> In addition i also think open imagery is currently severely underused in 
> OSM mapping due to convenient availability of not really open but free 
> to use in OSM imagery in Bing and Mapbox.  This applies both to high 
> resolution aerial images available from local providers under open data 
> terms - you know the frequent complaints by locals that armchair 
> mappers try to 'correct' local mapping based on outdated Bing imagery - 
> and lower resolution open satellite images which are rarely used at all 
> except for the 15 year old base data in Bing despite offering a lot of 
> information useful for mapping.  I find this regrettable in some way - 
> mappers should be aware of and have access to open imagery sources that 
> are available as much as possible - but also understandable, people use 
> what is most readily available and most convenient for them and there 
> is little incentive in providing alternatives just because they are 
> open if they don't provide significant advantages for practical use.

Actually this has, at least on the browser embedded editor sid,e
improved quite a bit. For example the Canton of Zürich released 10cm
nominal resolution imagery early this year and at least in iD you will
get this imagery as default now if you edit there, just as you will get
the imagery from the Canton Aargau here (which while essentially just a
service fee, we did pay CHF 200 for). While I'm not particularly happy
with just a flag to indicate the preferable imagery for a region, it
does work most of the time.

Simon



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Re: [Talk-dk] area map plugin

[Michel Coene]

Jeg ved ikke om det kan lade sig gøre, men det bedste vil være en kort hvor
der er ingen veje eller tekst, kun "landuse" og "building", med forskellige
farver til at lave forskel mellem f.eks. vand og beboelse.

mvh
Michel

2016-04-25 20:37 GMT+02:00 Soren Johannessen :

> Hvis der er andre versioner af GST skærmkort fx dæmpet/gråtoner
> Skærmkort der ønskes at kunne blive vist via JOSM lagmenu til fx brug
> i den plugin Michel nævner - Så sig til og jeg får den tilføjet
>
> Vh
> Søren Johannessen
>
> 2016-04-25 19:38 GMT+02:00 Michel Coene :
> > Zoom ind så meget som muligt og undgå bygninger hvor der går bogstaver
> eller
> > vejer igennem. Kan også bruges til søer og skove. Du skal have homogent
> > orange /grøn/ blå baggrund.  Største ulempe er den bruger lidt flere
> noder
> > end et menneske vil. Nogen gange hjælper det med shift-y.
> >
> > Michel Coene
> >
> > Op 25-apr.-2016 19:31 schreef "René Mittå" :
> >
> >> Hej
> >> Har lige forsøgt mig med det plugin du nævner og resultatet var absolut
> >> ikke overbevisende!  Måske er det bare mig som ikke lige har gennemskuet
> >> hvordan modulet skal anvendes?
> >> MittaaDK
> >>
> >> Den 25. apr. 2016 7.15 PM skrev "Michel Coene"  >:
> >>
> >> Ja, (ups!)
> >>
> >> 2016-04-25 19:10 GMT+02:00 Lars Gravengaard :
> >>>
> >>> Hvor finder du "area-map" ? Er det
> >>> https://github.com/JOSM/JOSM-areaselector du mener ?
> >>>
> >>> Lars
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> 2016-04-25 18:56 GMT+02:00 Michel Coene :
> 
>  Jeg har brugt area-map plugin i JOSM med Geodatastyrelsens skærmkort
> og
>  det tillader næsten automatisk at tegne bygninger. Nogen bemærkninger
> inden
>  jeg går helt amok med det værktøj? Erfaringer?
> 
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Re: [Talk-dk] area map plugin

[Kurt Forbech Toft]

SDFEd skærmkort er generaliseret idet mindre forhold er udeladt eller 
forvansket. Nøjagtigheden er ikke bedre end 1 meter, så det er spildt arbejde 
at tegne af fra dette kort.

Venlig Hilsen
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On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 11:39 AM -0700, "Soren Johannessen" 
> wrote:

Hvis der er andre versioner af GST skærmkort fx dæmpet/gråtoner
Skærmkort der ønskes at kunne blive vist via JOSM lagmenu til fx brug
i den plugin Michel nævner - Så sig til og jeg får den tilføjet

Vh
Søren Johannessen

2016-04-25 19:38 GMT+02:00 Michel Coene :
> Zoom ind så meget som muligt og undgå bygninger hvor der går bogstaver eller
> vejer igennem. Kan også bruges til søer og skove. Du skal have homogent
> orange /grøn/ blå baggrund.  Største ulempe er den bruger lidt flere noder
> end et menneske vil. Nogen gange hjælper det med shift-y.
>
> Michel Coene
>
> Op 25-apr.-2016 19:31 schreef "René Mittå" :
>
>> Hej
>> Har lige forsøgt mig med det plugin du nævner og resultatet var absolut
>> ikke overbevisende!  Måske er det bare mig som ikke lige har gennemskuet
>> hvordan modulet skal anvendes?
>> MittaaDK
>>
>> Den 25. apr. 2016 7.15 PM skrev "Michel Coene" :
>>
>> Ja, (ups!)
>>
>> 2016-04-25 19:10 GMT+02:00 Lars Gravengaard :
>>>
>>> Hvor finder du "area-map" ? Er det
>>> https://github.com/JOSM/JOSM-areaselector du mener ?
>>>
>>> Lars
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2016-04-25 18:56 GMT+02:00 Michel Coene :

 Jeg har brugt area-map plugin i JOSM med Geodatastyrelsens skærmkort og
 det tillader næsten automatisk at tegne bygninger. Nogen bemærkninger inden
 jeg går helt amok med det værktøj? Erfaringer?


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Re: [OSM-talk] Crowdfunding for OpenStreetMap in Bénin : 275km² high resolution satellite imagery for Cotonou by 1-May 2016!

[Christoph Hormann]

On Monday 25 April 2016, Simon Poole wrote:
>
> Further I don't quite follow Christoph's argument. There is very very
> little imagery used in OSM that is available on open (data) terms. As
> long as the results of tracing etc  are essentially unencumbered
> nobody seems to have had  issues with using non-free sources starting
> off with yahoo in 2007 and yes we've paid with money and in other
> ways for imagery in many places.

I tried to clarify my standpoint in my reply to Frederik.

In addition i also think open imagery is currently severely underused in 
OSM mapping due to convenient availability of not really open but free 
to use in OSM imagery in Bing and Mapbox.  This applies both to high 
resolution aerial images available from local providers under open data 
terms - you know the frequent complaints by locals that armchair 
mappers try to 'correct' local mapping based on outdated Bing imagery - 
and lower resolution open satellite images which are rarely used at all 
except for the 15 year old base data in Bing despite offering a lot of 
information useful for mapping.  I find this regrettable in some way - 
mappers should be aware of and have access to open imagery sources that 
are available as much as possible - but also understandable, people use 
what is most readily available and most convenient for them and there 
is little incentive in providing alternatives just because they are 
open if they don't provide significant advantages for practical use.

And you are right - we should not be so arrogant to think we know things 
better than the local community in Benin.

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Re: [Talk-dk] area map plugin

[Soren Johannessen]

Hvis der er andre versioner af GST skærmkort fx dæmpet/gråtoner
Skærmkort der ønskes at kunne blive vist via JOSM lagmenu til fx brug
i den plugin Michel nævner - Så sig til og jeg får den tilføjet

Vh
Søren Johannessen

2016-04-25 19:38 GMT+02:00 Michel Coene :
> Zoom ind så meget som muligt og undgå bygninger hvor der går bogstaver eller
> vejer igennem. Kan også bruges til søer og skove. Du skal have homogent
> orange /grøn/ blå baggrund.  Største ulempe er den bruger lidt flere noder
> end et menneske vil. Nogen gange hjælper det med shift-y.
>
> Michel Coene
>
> Op 25-apr.-2016 19:31 schreef "René Mittå" :
>
>> Hej
>> Har lige forsøgt mig med det plugin du nævner og resultatet var absolut
>> ikke overbevisende!  Måske er det bare mig som ikke lige har gennemskuet
>> hvordan modulet skal anvendes?
>> MittaaDK
>>
>> Den 25. apr. 2016 7.15 PM skrev "Michel Coene" :
>>
>> Ja, (ups!)
>>
>> 2016-04-25 19:10 GMT+02:00 Lars Gravengaard :
>>>
>>> Hvor finder du "area-map" ? Er det
>>> https://github.com/JOSM/JOSM-areaselector du mener ?
>>>
>>> Lars
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 2016-04-25 18:56 GMT+02:00 Michel Coene :

 Jeg har brugt area-map plugin i JOSM med Geodatastyrelsens skærmkort og
 det tillader næsten automatisk at tegne bygninger. Nogen bemærkninger inden
 jeg går helt amok med det værktøj? Erfaringer?


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Re: [Talk-it] Mappatura on the go

[Leonardo]

Consiglio Vespucci per Android: praticamente fa tutto quello che fa 
osmtracker e in più ha la possibilità di cercare i Tag tramite categorie 
e richiamarli velocemente tramite la funzione "Recenti".


Inoltre è ottimo per la raccolta rapida dei numeri civici dato che può 
sfruttare nominatim per precompilare il civico con il nome della via, 
della città e il cap e supporta anche l'aggiunta incrementale del civico 
successivo basato sul fatto che sia a destra o sinistra.


Infine se è attivata la funzione note è possibile ricevere una 
segnalazione in base alla distanza da essa (es. avvisami per tutte le 
note a 100mt da me).


Link a Google play: 
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.blau.android


Leonardo

Il 25/04/2016 13:16, Cascafico Giovanni ha scritto:


Osmtracker non é pesante. Ha delle pre impostazioni che presumo 
personalizzabili. Aggiunge note scritte, audio, foto.
IMHO, unico neo, per scattare foto si deve fare uno o due click 
inutili che, in condizioni di molta luce, sono fastdiosi.


a casa scarichi la sessione in una cartella e controlli tutto il 
multimediale (audio, note, foto, nonché la traccia gps) dalla finestra 
geografica di JOSM.


Naturalmente puoi inserire gli elementi OSM preimpostati, ma credo sia 
più pratico farlo dopo.


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Re: [OSM-talk] Crowdfunding for OpenStreetMap in Bénin : 275km² high resolution satellite imagery for Cotonou by 1-May 2016!

[Christoph Hormann]

On Monday 25 April 2016, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> > You are not seriously suggesting that paying a proprietary data
> > vendor for a likely restrictive license to use some imagery for
> > mapping in OSM is in support of the idea of open data?
>
> I, too, am wary of this initiative because of the underlying idea
> that working without aerial imagery is a waste of time. IMHO the
> non-availability of aerial imagery primarily means that there will be
> less armchair mapping which I consider a good thing (but I know that
> my position on that is a minority position among humanitarian
> mappers).
>
> Having said that, paying for propietary imagery isn't without
> precedent in OSM, see for example http://wiki.openstreetmap.org and
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WissensWert/40_-_Luftbilder_f%C3%BCr_
>OpenStreetMap

Yes, given the inherent ambiguities in the matter my statement was 
probably a bit too undifferentiated.

Paying for licensing commercial imagery and then making them available 
for OSM can be good for OSM and therefore open data of course - this is 
what Bing and Mapbox are doing on a significant scale for example but 
generally the application for mapping in OSM is only a secondary use 
here.  On the other hand if the community tries to acquire funds for 
image licenses themselves for the sole purpose of mapping this is 
highly questionable and i am not sure if i can imagine a situation 
where i would consider the gain by this justifies both the expense (the 
money could be used otherwise) and channeling money into non-open data 
production.

Another perspective i consider important here: the open data movement 
and in particular OSM have been very successful in breaking the 
dominance of proprietary data and achieving a significant stand in the 
overall market of map data, in particular human infrastructure mapping 
(roads, buildings, POIs, addresses etc.).  In the field of imagery OTOH 
open data has - although clearly on the rise these days - still a much 
weaker standing.  This has reasons of course, like the significant 
upfront investments necessary to produce this kind of data, but solid 
support from the already much more successful OSM world by emphasizing 
the need and desire for truly open image data would certainly help this 
sector a lot.

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[Talk-br] Cedência dos dados de cartografia da Prefeitura de Porto Alegre / Importação Prédios

[Sérgio V .]

Nelson,

>Você vai apagar os objetos existentes e inserir novos ou apenas
>substituir os atuais? (mantendo histórico dos objetos, portanto)

Tem como substituir um objeto "anterior (existente)" por outro(novo) e copiar 
para o "novo" o histórico do "anterior"?

No JOSM?

Como é que faz?

Obrigado


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Re: [OSM-talk] Crowdfunding for OpenStreetMap in Bénin : 275km² high resolution satellite imagery for Cotonou by 1-May 2016!

[Simon Poole]

I'm slightly taken back by the number of people wanting to jump in and
make decisions for a local community on a topic that has little bearing
outside of their region. Surely is must be their prerogative to decide
how best to get imagery for their area, if at all (I do suspect that
they will welcome alternative offers, but that is obviously up to them).

Further I don't quite follow Christoph's argument. There is very very
little imagery used in OSM that is available on open (data) terms. As
long as the results of tracing etc  are essentially unencumbered nobody
seems to have had  issues with using non-free sources starting off with
yahoo in 2007 and yes we've paid with money and in other ways for
imagery in many places.

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[Talk-br] Cedência dos dados de cartografia da Prefeitura de Porto Alegre / Importação Prédios

[Sérgio V .]

Oi Nelson e Blade,


A minha idéia é não substituir o que já existe de prédios mapeados no OSM.

Importar somente onde não tenha ainda.

Deixar os que já existem.

Já baixei no overpass tudo o que é building=* dentro do município.


Comparar visualmente, 2 layers um em cima do outro, 2 cores.

Se tiver prédio no OSM com forma muito discrepante, penso em duas alternativas:

-ajustar a forma manualmente o que foi mapeado por outros;

-nos prédios que fui eu mesmo que desenhei a primeira versão, e que não há 
alterações posteriores de outros, prefiro deletar e substituir, por 2 motivos: 
é mais rápido e o dado da PMPA é mais confiável do que o desenho sobre o Bing;

-remover do layer a ser importado os prédios que "já tem" no OSM.


Não sei ainda como filtrar consulta espacial no QGIS (intersecção, 
sobreposição), vou ver se descubro, e se isto de fato ajudaria mais, tornaria 
mais rápido.

Se puder, me indique como é.

Mas acho que de todo modo comparar visualmente com 2 layers e 2 cores 
contrastantes resolve.

Se tiverem outra idéia, por favor me avisem. De todo modo creio que vou levar 1 
a 2 semanas para ter pronto.

Obrigado, abs.


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Re: [Talk-dk] area map plugin

[Michel Coene]

Zoom ind så meget som muligt og undgå bygninger hvor der går bogstaver
eller vejer igennem. Kan også bruges til søer og skove. Du skal have
homogent orange /grøn/ blå baggrund.  Største ulempe er den bruger lidt
flere noder end et menneske vil. Nogen gange hjælper det med shift-y.

Michel Coene
Op 25-apr.-2016 19:31 schreef "René Mittå" :

> Hej
> Har lige forsøgt mig med det plugin du nævner og resultatet var absolut
> ikke overbevisende!  Måske er det bare mig som ikke lige har gennemskuet
> hvordan modulet skal anvendes?
> MittaaDK
> Den 25. apr. 2016 7.15 PM skrev "Michel Coene" :
>
> Ja, (ups!)
>
> 2016-04-25 19:10 GMT+02:00 Lars Gravengaard :
>
>> Hvor finder du "area-map" ? Er det
>> https://github.com/JOSM/JOSM-areaselector du mener ?
>>
>> Lars
>>
>>
>>
>> 2016-04-25 18:56 GMT+02:00 Michel Coene :
>>
>>> Jeg har brugt area-map plugin i JOSM med Geodatastyrelsens skærmkort og
>>> det tillader næsten automatisk at tegne bygninger. Nogen bemærkninger inden
>>> jeg går helt amok med det værktøj? Erfaringer?
>>>
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[Talk-br] RES: RES: Limite de cidades com distritos

[Blademir Andrade de Lima]

“Não entendi o seu ponto sobre "liberar" um novo nível. Quem vai liberar? 
Podemos taguear da forma como bem entendermos, desde que cheguemos em um 
consenso sobre qual deveria ser a tag.”

Arlindo, quis dizer que enquanto os níveis 9 e 10 não estiverem “completos” não 
adiantara exigir um novo nível (11).

Leonardo, consigo ver duas soluções para o Brasil:

1)  Regiões, Meso e Micro sem “admin_level”, assim a tabela hierárquica do 
Brasil no OSM poderia ser reorganizada, e muito trabalho para ser refeito. 
Porem o resultado final da hierarquias administrativas seria mais obvia e 
simples, como você disse no final.

2)  Ou, uso de admin_level:11 para os bairros. Solução mais simples no meu 
ponto de vista.

Para concluir, a comunidade OSM do Brasil terá que chegar em um consenso e 
decidir qual caminho prosseguir.

Forte Abraço,
BladeTC

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Assunto: Re: [Talk-br] RES: Limite de cidades com distritos

On 23/04/2016 00:42, Blademir Andrade de Lima wrote:
> Pelo visto este assunto vai longe. Eu li toda a discussão do fórum,
> tenho que concordar que Regiões, Mesorregiões e Microrregiões não são
> limites administrativos, e sim estatísticos.

Concordo plenamente. O nome da tag é evidente por si só: *admin*_level.

Faltou bom senso quando resolveram fazer mal uso da tag e colocar
definições puramente estatísticas; bastaria ter criado uma tag nova para
codificar as divisões estatísticas do IBGE. O Brasil é na verdade um dos
países onde seria mais fácil aplicar as tags de forma correta, afinal é
um país completamente uniforme em termos de administração (só existem a
União, os Estados, os Municípios e eventualmente mais de um Distrito
[mas que não é autônomo]) e isso se aplica a 100% do território) — em
comparação, os EUA, UK e muitos países da Europa são um caos total em
termos de uniformidade de sua organização.

Entretanto, discutir o passado não é produtivo. A situação é o que é. A
questão importante é a seguinte: vamos continuar cavando o buraco ou
vamos sair do buraco?

Existem 2 conjuntos de países no OSM — os que têm 10 admin_level e os
que têm 11:
-
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative#10_admin_level_values_for_specific_countries
-
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative#11_admin_level_values_for_specific_countries

Note que a Alemanha começou com 10 e agora tem 11, não estou
familiarizado com os detalhes da comunidade OSM alemã mas aposto que
houve um discussão grande por lá mais ou menos parecida com a que está
acontecendo aqui.

O importante ao tomar decisões é que sejamos consistentes com o resto do
mundo OSM, e principalmente a Europa, afinal o projeto nasceu lá, o
movimento é forte lá, muito do software vem de lá, e cada vez que o
Brasil passar a ser um caso especial isso significa que isso vai ter que
ser codificado em software — o que vai resultar que por default o
software não vai funcionar corretamente para o Brasil, a menos que o
autor esteja familiarizado com as nossas peculiaridades ou existam
brasileiros contribuindo.

Dito isto, vamos então ver o que os outros países de 11 níveis fizeram.
Olhem a tabela (principalmente Alemanha, Holanda, e Bolívia):
- nível 8: o que no Brasil corresponde ao município
- nível 9: sub-divisão do município autônoma
- nível 10: sub-divisão do município não-autônoma
- nível 11: bairros

Sendo bem pedante, o nível 9 não existe no Brasil porque os distritos
não têm seu próprio governo de forma completamente autônoma da
prefeitura, mas pragmaticamente isso tem pouca importância para nós ou
para o OSM. Faz sentido que então o Brasil, ao adotar 11 níveis, fizesse
o seguinte:
- nível 8: município
- nível 9: distrito
- nível 10: sub-distrito (ou sub-prefeitura, etc.)
- nível 11: bairros

A organização acima, a meu ver, é consistente com o que está sendo feito
por todos os outros países de nível 11. Corrigir os dados existentes em
batch também não é difícil, 8 continua 8, 9 continua 9, tudo que hoje é
10 vira 11 e as exceções (que são poucas, comparativamente falando)
podem ser corrigidas manualmente. Se queremos que o Brasil passe a ter
11 níveis, esse é o caminho. Qualquer software que saiba tratar 11
níveis e contenha lógica que funcione para os países já existentes
também vai funcionar sem modificações para o Brasil.

Abraços,
// Leonardo.

P.S.: Minha opinião pessoal está abaixo.

O admin_level é uma organização pragmática de mostrar hierarquia de um
ponto de vista de uma mapa, não uma representação 100% correta da
hierarquia de um ponto administrativo/organizacional/legal (até porque é
impossível fazer isso em muitos dos países da Europa, como eu disse a
"organização" deles não é uniforme, nem muito "organizada"). Do ponto de
vista do um usuário de mapa, 

Re: [OSM-talk] Crowdfunding for OpenStreetMap in Bénin : 275km² high resolution satellite imagery for Cotonou by 1-May 2016!

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 04/25/2016 07:02 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote:
> see for example http://wiki.openstreetmap.org and

Gah, broke the link -

http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Gaza#Commercial_aerial_photography

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Re: [Talk-dk] area map plugin

[René Mittå]

Hej
Har lige forsøgt mig med det plugin du nævner og resultatet var absolut
ikke overbevisende!  Måske er det bare mig som ikke lige har gennemskuet
hvordan modulet skal anvendes?
MittaaDK
Den 25. apr. 2016 7.15 PM skrev "Michel Coene" :

Ja, (ups!)

2016-04-25 19:10 GMT+02:00 Lars Gravengaard :

> Hvor finder du "area-map" ? Er det
> https://github.com/JOSM/JOSM-areaselector du mener ?
>
> Lars
>
>
>
> 2016-04-25 18:56 GMT+02:00 Michel Coene :
>
>> Jeg har brugt area-map plugin i JOSM med Geodatastyrelsens skærmkort og
>> det tillader næsten automatisk at tegne bygninger. Nogen bemærkninger inden
>> jeg går helt amok med det værktøj? Erfaringer?
>>
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Re: [Talk-dk] area map plugin

[Michel Coene]

Ja, (ups!)

2016-04-25 19:10 GMT+02:00 Lars Gravengaard :

> Hvor finder du "area-map" ? Er det
> https://github.com/JOSM/JOSM-areaselector du mener ?
>
> Lars
>
>
>
> 2016-04-25 18:56 GMT+02:00 Michel Coene :
>
>> Jeg har brugt area-map plugin i JOSM med Geodatastyrelsens skærmkort og
>> det tillader næsten automatisk at tegne bygninger. Nogen bemærkninger inden
>> jeg går helt amok med det værktøj? Erfaringer?
>>
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Re: [Talk-dk] area map plugin

[Lars Gravengaard]

Hvor finder du "area-map" ? Er det https://github.com/JOSM/JOSM-areaselector du
mener ?

Lars



2016-04-25 18:56 GMT+02:00 Michel Coene :

> Jeg har brugt area-map plugin i JOSM med Geodatastyrelsens skærmkort og
> det tillader næsten automatisk at tegne bygninger. Nogen bemærkninger inden
> jeg går helt amok med det værktøj? Erfaringer?
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Re: [OSM-talk] Crowdfunding for OpenStreetMap in Bénin : 275km² high resolution satellite imagery for Cotonou by 1-May 2016!

[Frederik Ramm]

Christoph,

On 04/25/2016 06:46 PM, Christoph Hormann wrote:
> You are not seriously suggesting that paying a proprietary data vendor 
> for a likely restrictive license to use some imagery for mapping in OSM 
> is in support of the idea of open data?

I, too, am wary of this initiative because of the underlying idea that
working without aerial imagery is a waste of time. IMHO the
non-availability of aerial imagery primarily means that there will be
less armchair mapping which I consider a good thing (but I know that my
position on that is a minority position among humanitarian mappers).

Having said that, paying for propietary imagery isn't without precedent
in OSM, see for example http://wiki.openstreetmap.org and
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WissensWert/40_-_Luftbilder_f%C3%BCr_OpenStreetMap

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[Talk-dk] area map plugin

[Michel Coene]

Jeg har brugt area-map plugin i JOSM med Geodatastyrelsens skærmkort og det
tillader næsten automatisk at tegne bygninger. Nogen bemærkninger inden jeg
går helt amok med det værktøj? Erfaringer?


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Re: [OSM-talk] Crowdfunding for OpenStreetMap in Bénin : 275km² high resolution satellite imagery for Cotonou by 1-May 2016!

[Christoph Hormann]

On Monday 25 April 2016, nicolas chavent wrote:
> This is an easy mean to make a big difference and have a huge
> OpenStreetMap and opendata impact in Cotonou and Benin [...]

You are not seriously suggesting that paying a proprietary data vendor 
for a likely restrictive license to use some imagery for mapping in OSM 
is in support of the idea of open data?

If there is acute need for better imagery in a certain area and classic 
mapping on the ground is not a reasonable alternative (why is that?) i 
would suggest to approach satellite image providers if they can offer 
help - you can see there have already been reactions in that direction.

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[Talk-GB] UK Capter Community Interest Statement Form CIC36

[Brian Prangle]

Hi  everyone

Links to draft documents as promised (copying from the Word template to
Googledocs screws up the formatting and I don't have the patience to try
and sort it out)
Main Form 
Continuation Sheet


As ever, comments welcome

Regards

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Re: [OSM-talk] Crowdfunding for OpenStreetMap in Bénin : 275km² high resolution satellite imagery for Cotonou by 1-May 2016!

[Mikel Maron]

That's awesome Kevin. Totally agree, funds can be used for mapping parties and 
motorcycle fuel! Let me know if Mapbox can help here too, willing to look into 
it. * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron 

On Monday, April 25, 2016 12:01 PM, Kevin Bullock 
 wrote:
 
 

 Hi all - I am working with OSM-Benin on behalf of DG to see if we can do 
something creative; I would rather see this crowdfunding be used for on the 
ground verification resources.

Best, Kevin Bullock




On 4/25/16, 9:25 AM, "althio"  wrote:

>John,
>
>You can't blame people for looking for the best imagery around Cotonou, Bénin.
>We are talking of the largest city in this country, 700 000+ inhabitants.
>
>I don't find it very reasonable to propose another project 1000 km away.
>The local mappers want to map their city, that's all.
>
>Best,
>
>- althio
>
>
>On 25 April 2016 at 16:31, john whelan  wrote:
>> There seems to be fairly reasonable free mapbox imagery of this area
>> available.  There is a lot of very reasonable African imagery available that
>> has not yet been mapped.
>>
>> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1087 is an example.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On 25 April 2016 at 10:17, nicolas chavent 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Below is the English translation of an email sent first to the
>>> hot-francophone mailing list. It focuses on the first crowdfunding 100%
>>> directed to OpenStreetMap in Western Africa. The project is run by the local
>>> OSM association (OSM Bénin) with the support of the collective Projet Espace
>>> OSM Francophone (ProjetEOF) to purchase 275km² high resolution imagery over
>>> Cotonou, Benin economic capital.
>>>
>>> Enjoy the read and shall you be interested, join us! The crowfunding
>>> closes May1, 2016: in 7 days, we still have to raise 550 Euros (25%). This
>>> is an easy mean to make a big difference and have a huge OpenStreetMap and
>>> opendata impact in Cotonou and Benin by helping significatively the mapping
>>> of Cotonou by the Cotonou mappers who can then be supported remotely by the
>>> global OSM community and the Western African groups in the first place.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Nicolas on the behalf of the Association OSM Bénin et the collective
>>> ProjetEOF
>>>
>>>
>>> = Crowdfunding for OpenStreetMap in Bénin : 275km² high resolution
>>> satellite imagery for Cotonou by 1-May 2016! =
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> This crowdfunding "Imagerie Satellite pour OSM Benin" ([1],[2]) is lead by
>>> the Association OpenStreetMap Bénin (OSMBénin) [3] with the support of the
>>> collective Projet Espace OpenStreetMap Francophone (ProjetEOF) [4]. It aims
>>> at purchasing around 275 km² high resolution imagery over Cotonou in a
>>> license which allows for creating into OpenStreetMap geographical
>>> information  about building, road network, hydrography and landuse.
>>>
>>> The mappers from Benin are active creating geographical data in
>>> OpenStreetMap and thus improving the Free Map of this World via mapathons
>>> [5] field data collections [6], as well as conducting information and
>>> outreach work tied to heavy training in GIS (QGIS) and mapping with OSM [7].
>>> Unfortunately they are missing on Cotonou high resolution imagery via the
>>> Bing and MapBox layers. This forces the Benin OSM community to map Cotonou -
>>> Benin economic capital - through field surveys only (GPS, Mobile phones and
>>> FieldPapers), a long time and money intensive work. This takes us back to
>>> the early ages of OpenStreetMap prior its members had access to high
>>> resolution imagery through agreements with Yahoo, Microsoft Bing or
>>> benefited from opendata programs.
>>>
>>> Shall this crowdfunding works well, this would be a major breakthrough for
>>> the growth of OpenStreetMap in Cotonou and in Benin, as a matter of fact,
>>> with this imagery purchased, hosted and accesible:
>>>  - Not only the mappers from Bénin would be more efficient mapping Cotonou
>>> and in a position to dedicate more time to non mapping activities such
>>> information, outreach, building partnerships while continuing and expanding
>>> the activities they had been carrying out in the rest of the country since
>>> 2013 as one can read from the "Infolettre OSM Bénin" [8].
>>>  - But for mapping Cotonou, they could benefit from the support of the
>>> global OpenStreetMap community and specifically the Western African local
>>> groups with whom strong relations have been established and numerous joint
>>> mapping activities have been organized since 2013.
>>>
>>> The crowfunding closes in 7 days, we still have to raise 550 Euros (25%),
>>> an easy mean to make a big difference and have a huge OpenStreetMap and
>>> opendata impact by helping significatively the mapping of Cotonou by the
>>> Cotonou mappers with the support of the global OSM community and the Western
>>> African groups in the first place.
>>>
>>> To check 

Re: [OSM-talk] Crowdfunding for OpenStreetMap in Bénin : 275km² high resolution satellite imagery for Cotonou by 1-May 2016!

[John Whelan]

My thoughts would run along the lines of working with an existing 
charity to put some feet on the ground and more detail in the maps.  
That way the donated dollars go further, crowd sourcing takes a 
percentage, in Canada there is a 40% tax break on charitable giving so 
its stretches the available dollars more.


It needs some creative thinking to pull it together.  There are some 
charities that are now looking at supporting straight infrastructure by 
local government at a local level and this would seem a natural fit.


Cheerio John

Kevin Bullock 
April 25, 2016 11:58 AM
Hi all - I am working with OSM-Benin on behalf of DG to see if we can 
do something creative; I would rather see this crowdfunding be used 
for on the ground verification resources.


Best, Kevin Bullock





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John,

You can't blame people for looking for the best imagery around 
Cotonou, Bénin.

We are talking of the largest city in this country, 700 000+ inhabitants.

I don't find it very reasonable to propose another project 1000 km away.
The local mappers want to map their city, that's all.

Best,

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Re: [Talk-br] Cedência dos dados de cartografia da Prefeitura de Porto Alegre / Importação Prédios

[Nelson A. de Oliveira]

Oi Sérgio,

2016-04-25 12:47 GMT-03:00 Sérgio V. :
> (grande parte dos prédios no centro de POA fui eu que mapeei, nestes se for
> melhor deleto e substituo pelos prédios da nova importação;

Você vai apagar os objetos existentes e inserir novos ou apenas
substituir os atuais? (mantendo histórico dos objetos, portanto)

Com relação ao processo de comparação, você vai verificar visualmente
no JOSM as duas camadas ou já vai filtrar isso antes no QGIS? (com
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Re: [OSM-talk] Crowdfunding for OpenStreetMap in Bénin : 275km² high resolution satellite imagery for Cotonou by 1-May 2016!

[Kevin Bullock]

Hi all - I am working with OSM-Benin on behalf of DG to see if we can do 
something creative; I would rather see this crowdfunding be used for on the 
ground verification resources.

Best, Kevin Bullock




On 4/25/16, 9:25 AM, "althio"  wrote:

>John,
>
>You can't blame people for looking for the best imagery around Cotonou, Bénin.
>We are talking of the largest city in this country, 700 000+ inhabitants.
>
>I don't find it very reasonable to propose another project 1000 km away.
>The local mappers want to map their city, that's all.
>
>Best,
>
>- althio
>
>
>On 25 April 2016 at 16:31, john whelan  wrote:
>> There seems to be fairly reasonable free mapbox imagery of this area
>> available.  There is a lot of very reasonable African imagery available that
>> has not yet been mapped.
>>
>> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1087 is an example.
>>
>> Cheerio John
>>
>> On 25 April 2016 at 10:17, nicolas chavent 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Below is the English translation of an email sent first to the
>>> hot-francophone mailing list. It focuses on the first crowdfunding 100%
>>> directed to OpenStreetMap in Western Africa. The project is run by the local
>>> OSM association (OSM Bénin) with the support of the collective Projet Espace
>>> OSM Francophone (ProjetEOF) to purchase 275km² high resolution imagery over
>>> Cotonou, Benin economic capital.
>>>
>>> Enjoy the read and shall you be interested, join us! The crowfunding
>>> closes May1, 2016: in 7 days, we still have to raise 550 Euros (25%). This
>>> is an easy mean to make a big difference and have a huge OpenStreetMap and
>>> opendata impact in Cotonou and Benin by helping significatively the mapping
>>> of Cotonou by the Cotonou mappers who can then be supported remotely by the
>>> global OSM community and the Western African groups in the first place.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Nicolas on the behalf of the Association OSM Bénin et the collective
>>> ProjetEOF
>>>
>>>
>>> = Crowdfunding for OpenStreetMap in Bénin : 275km² high resolution
>>> satellite imagery for Cotonou by 1-May 2016! =
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> This crowdfunding "Imagerie Satellite pour OSM Benin" ([1],[2]) is lead by
>>> the Association OpenStreetMap Bénin (OSMBénin) [3] with the support of the
>>> collective Projet Espace OpenStreetMap Francophone (ProjetEOF) [4]. It aims
>>> at purchasing around 275 km² high resolution imagery over Cotonou in a
>>> license which allows for creating into OpenStreetMap geographical
>>> information  about building, road network, hydrography and landuse.
>>>
>>> The mappers from Benin are active creating geographical data in
>>> OpenStreetMap and thus improving the Free Map of this World via mapathons
>>> [5] field data collections [6], as well as conducting information and
>>> outreach work tied to heavy training in GIS (QGIS) and mapping with OSM [7].
>>> Unfortunately they are missing on Cotonou high resolution imagery via the
>>> Bing and MapBox layers. This forces the Benin OSM community to map Cotonou -
>>> Benin economic capital - through field surveys only (GPS, Mobile phones and
>>> FieldPapers), a long time and money intensive work. This takes us back to
>>> the early ages of OpenStreetMap prior its members had access to high
>>> resolution imagery through agreements with Yahoo, Microsoft Bing or
>>> benefited from opendata programs.
>>>
>>> Shall this crowdfunding works well, this would be a major breakthrough for
>>> the growth of OpenStreetMap in Cotonou and in Benin, as a matter of fact,
>>> with this imagery purchased, hosted and accesible:
>>>  - Not only the mappers from Bénin would be more efficient mapping Cotonou
>>> and in a position to dedicate more time to non mapping activities such
>>> information, outreach, building partnerships while continuing and expanding
>>> the activities they had been carrying out in the rest of the country since
>>> 2013 as one can read from the "Infolettre OSM Bénin" [8].
>>>  - But for mapping Cotonou, they could benefit from the support of the
>>> global OpenStreetMap community and specifically the Western African local
>>> groups with whom strong relations have been established and numerous joint
>>> mapping activities have been organized since 2013.
>>>
>>> The crowfunding closes in 7 days, we still have to raise 550 Euros (25%),
>>> an easy mean to make a big difference and have a huge OpenStreetMap and
>>> opendata impact by helping significatively the mapping of Cotonou by the
>>> Cotonou mappers with the support of the global OSM community and the Western
>>> African groups in the first place.
>>>
>>> To check the status of this crowdfunding project, stay tuned to the Ulule
>>> platform, the OSM lists, the Wiki site of the OSM project in Bénin, blogs
>>> and social media used by ProjetEOF (@ProjetEOF), OSMBénin (@OSMBénin) and
>>> other Western African OSM collectives.
>>>
>>> Nicolas on the behalf of the 

Re: [Talk-cz] nefunguje analýza rozcestníků na OSMHicheck

[Tom Ka]

Potvrzuju, neco se mi povedlo rozbit kdyz jsem chystal nejake upravy.
Dam do poradku.

Dne 25. dubna 2016 10:37 Zdeněk Pražák  napsal(a):
> dal jsem provést analýzu databáze rozcestníků na
> http://osm.fit.vutbr.cz/OsmHiCheck/gp/?analyse
>
> vygeneruje se mi však pouze tabulka se třemi řádky ( první tři rozcestníky)
> Pražák
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[Talk-br] Cedência dos dados de cartografia da Prefeitura de Porto Alegre / Importação Prédios

[Sérgio V .]

Boa tarde pessoal,

consegui autorização formal da Prefeitura de Porto Alegre para cedência dos 
dados de cartografia para o OSM em shapefile/SHP.

Minha idéia é preparar a importação dos Prédios, conforme abaixo.

Vou criar página no wiki (talvez com nome "Importação dos Dados de Cartografia 
da Prefeitura de Porto Alegre-RS: Prédios"), com cópia do processo com a 
autorização.

O responsável pela coordenação de cartografia propôs solicitar ainda ao setor 
de processamento de dados a malha viária que estava sendo atualizada para 
fornecer também. Mas esta de todo modo já está bem completa em Porto Alegre.


Os dados fornecidos pela Prefeitura (PMPA) em SHP contém (2.2GB tudo):

-Altimetria;

-Eixos Urbanos;

-Energia/Comunicações;

-Estrutura Urbana

-Hidrografia

-Mineração

-Sistema de Transportes

-Vegetação


Meu interesse é mapear os prédios.

Minha idéia é ir preparando importação dos prédios cadastrados pela PMPA para o 
mapa.

Pretendo fazer assim:

-abrir no QGIS e verificar os atributos dos objetos para ver o que tem e se 
pode ser convertido e importado para as tags padrão do OSM (como numeração, 
altura, etc);

-converter para o OSM;

-abrir no OSM num layer1 separado e salvar para verificação (sem fazer upload 
ainda no OSM);

-abrir os prédios que já estão no OSM em POA (ways como building=*) em outro 
layer2;

-analisar e comparar com os prédios que já existem mapeados, para ver o que já 
esteja correto e pode manter sem substituir;

(grande parte dos prédios no centro de POA fui eu que mapeei, nestes se for 
melhor deleto e substituo pelos prédios da nova importação;

-se tiver prédios errados no OSM (ex.: 2 prédios mapeados como se fossem 1) 
vejo se precisa corrigir ou substituir, mantendo as tags de informações já 
mapeadas;

-depois que tudo estiver verificado, importar os prédios para o OSM.


Quaisquer questões ou sugestões, comuniquem


- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

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Re: [Talk-GB] Overpass query help - roads within a ward

[Tom Chance]

Thanks Neil,

I think I'll just have to go with that solution and then delete the ways I
don't want.

Tom

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On 23 April 2016 at 16:42, Neil Pilgrim 
wrote:

> I've had a play with this since I've been working with overpass turbo a
> bit recently; the best I've come up with so far is something like this:
>   http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/fPR (wy over-commented ;))
> As you'll see, this does include these roads, but does also include roads
> leaving the area.
> If you un-comment the relation, then that shows the boundary too, which I
> found useful for debugging.
> This may be able to be simplified/optimised, but I've gone with what
> works, and I switched to using a timeout/json as I'm used to that :)
> If the ways missing were part of the relation then I think
> way(r.A)[highway][name] should select them too, but that's not how the
> relation is composed.
>
> Hope that gives some other ideas, if nothing else :)
>
> --
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>
>
> On 23 April 2016 at 14:20, Tom Chance  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> It has been a very long time since I last posted here!
>>
>> I'm trying to use the Overpass API to extract all the roads within the
>> bounds of a relation, in this case a local government ward. Can anyone spot
>> the problem in the data?
>>
>> Here's the example I'm working with:
>> http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/fPI
>>
>> The problem is that some roads aren't being downloaded with the query.
>>
>> If you follow that link and run the query, you'll see that the top
>> section of Belvedere Road, and all of Landsdowne Place, are excluded. There
>> are a few others like this on the edges of the area.
>>
>> I thought it might be because the way used by the boundary relation runs
>> down the same nodes as those roads. But just at the top of those roads, the
>> A-Road Church Road is downloaded despite being represented in the data in
>> the same way.
>>
>> I tried putting a 'kink' in the boundary way down at the other end of
>> Landsdowne Place where it meets Fox Hill so it 'encompasses' a node, but
>> that didn't help.
>>
>> I hope this all makes sense, and maybe somebody can help?
>>
>> Tom
>>
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>> twitter: http://twitter.com/tom_chance
>> facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TomChanceGP
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Re: [OSM-talk] Crowdfunding for OpenStreetMap in Bénin : 275km² high resolution satellite imagery for Cotonou by 1-May 2016!

[althio]

John,

You can't blame people for looking for the best imagery around Cotonou, Bénin.
We are talking of the largest city in this country, 700 000+ inhabitants.

I don't find it very reasonable to propose another project 1000 km away.
The local mappers want to map their city, that's all.

Best,

- althio


On 25 April 2016 at 16:31, john whelan  wrote:
> There seems to be fairly reasonable free mapbox imagery of this area
> available.  There is a lot of very reasonable African imagery available that
> has not yet been mapped.
>
> http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1087 is an example.
>
> Cheerio John
>
> On 25 April 2016 at 10:17, nicolas chavent 
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Below is the English translation of an email sent first to the
>> hot-francophone mailing list. It focuses on the first crowdfunding 100%
>> directed to OpenStreetMap in Western Africa. The project is run by the local
>> OSM association (OSM Bénin) with the support of the collective Projet Espace
>> OSM Francophone (ProjetEOF) to purchase 275km² high resolution imagery over
>> Cotonou, Benin economic capital.
>>
>> Enjoy the read and shall you be interested, join us! The crowfunding
>> closes May1, 2016: in 7 days, we still have to raise 550 Euros (25%). This
>> is an easy mean to make a big difference and have a huge OpenStreetMap and
>> opendata impact in Cotonou and Benin by helping significatively the mapping
>> of Cotonou by the Cotonou mappers who can then be supported remotely by the
>> global OSM community and the Western African groups in the first place.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Nicolas on the behalf of the Association OSM Bénin et the collective
>> ProjetEOF
>>
>>
>> = Crowdfunding for OpenStreetMap in Bénin : 275km² high resolution
>> satellite imagery for Cotonou by 1-May 2016! =
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> This crowdfunding "Imagerie Satellite pour OSM Benin" ([1],[2]) is lead by
>> the Association OpenStreetMap Bénin (OSMBénin) [3] with the support of the
>> collective Projet Espace OpenStreetMap Francophone (ProjetEOF) [4]. It aims
>> at purchasing around 275 km² high resolution imagery over Cotonou in a
>> license which allows for creating into OpenStreetMap geographical
>> information  about building, road network, hydrography and landuse.
>>
>> The mappers from Benin are active creating geographical data in
>> OpenStreetMap and thus improving the Free Map of this World via mapathons
>> [5] field data collections [6], as well as conducting information and
>> outreach work tied to heavy training in GIS (QGIS) and mapping with OSM [7].
>> Unfortunately they are missing on Cotonou high resolution imagery via the
>> Bing and MapBox layers. This forces the Benin OSM community to map Cotonou -
>> Benin economic capital - through field surveys only (GPS, Mobile phones and
>> FieldPapers), a long time and money intensive work. This takes us back to
>> the early ages of OpenStreetMap prior its members had access to high
>> resolution imagery through agreements with Yahoo, Microsoft Bing or
>> benefited from opendata programs.
>>
>> Shall this crowdfunding works well, this would be a major breakthrough for
>> the growth of OpenStreetMap in Cotonou and in Benin, as a matter of fact,
>> with this imagery purchased, hosted and accesible:
>>  - Not only the mappers from Bénin would be more efficient mapping Cotonou
>> and in a position to dedicate more time to non mapping activities such
>> information, outreach, building partnerships while continuing and expanding
>> the activities they had been carrying out in the rest of the country since
>> 2013 as one can read from the "Infolettre OSM Bénin" [8].
>>  - But for mapping Cotonou, they could benefit from the support of the
>> global OpenStreetMap community and specifically the Western African local
>> groups with whom strong relations have been established and numerous joint
>> mapping activities have been organized since 2013.
>>
>> The crowfunding closes in 7 days, we still have to raise 550 Euros (25%),
>> an easy mean to make a big difference and have a huge OpenStreetMap and
>> opendata impact by helping significatively the mapping of Cotonou by the
>> Cotonou mappers with the support of the global OSM community and the Western
>> African groups in the first place.
>>
>> To check the status of this crowdfunding project, stay tuned to the Ulule
>> platform, the OSM lists, the Wiki site of the OSM project in Bénin, blogs
>> and social media used by ProjetEOF (@ProjetEOF), OSMBénin (@OSMBénin) and
>> other Western African OSM collectives.
>>
>> Nicolas on the behalf of the Association OSM Bénin and the collective
>> Projet EOF.
>>
>> [1] : http://fr.ulule.com/imagerie-cotonou/
>> [2] :
>> https://projeteof.org/blog/crowdfunding-openstreetmap-au-benin-275km%C2%B2-dimagerie-satellite-haute-resolution-pour-cotonou-ce-1er-mai-2016/
>> [3] : http://openstreetmap.bj/
>> [4] : https://projeteof.org/blog/projet-eof/
>> [5] : 

Re: [Talk-is] Uppfærðar loftmyndir

[Svavar Kjarrval]

Hæ.

Við höfum lagt inn fleiri beiðnir til MapBox um nýjar loftmyndir af
mörgum öðrum sveitarfélögum, aðallega þau sem hafa engar loftmyndir nú
þegar. Það er því mögulegt að fleiri loftmyndir bætist við á næstu vikum
og/eða mánuðum.

Í ljósi þess að möguleikinn um uppfærðar loftmyndir er orðinn
raunhæfari, þá gætum við rætt saman hvernig við getum nýtt okkur þessar
nýju aðstæður í þágu OpenStreetMap. Svo ég nefni sem dæmi, hvort við
ættum að safna saman í lista yfir svæði sem við teljum sérstaklega
skilið að við fáum loftmynd af en er ekki til nú þegar, og einnig hvort
tilefni sé að biðja um tiltekin svæði á reglubundnum fresti (1-2 sinnum
á ári). Efast um að MapBox taki við beiðni sem spannar allt Ísland svo
við þyrftum væntanlega að velja hvaða einstöku svæði við viljum.

Þau svæði sem mér dettur strax í hug varðandi reglulegar loftmyndir eru
sveitarfélög sem ná tilteknum íbúafjölda ásamt vinsælum viðkomustöðum
ferðamanna.

Þegar kemur að þeim svæðum sem við verðum allavega að hafa einhverja
loftmynd af, eru það þéttbýli sveitarfélaga landsins, óháð íbúafjölda.
Þá dettur mér í hug að þar inni ætti að vera þjóðvegur nr. 1 og
sveitabæir sem eru (eingöngu) aðgengilegir út frá þeim. Síðan kæmi
einnig til greina, að mínu mati, að taka stærri sumarbústaðasvæðin.

Hér er frekar um hugmyndir að ræða en fyllilega ígrundaðar tillögur.

- Svavar Kjarrval

On fim 21.apr 2016 12:46, Jóhannes Birgir Jensson wrote:
> MapBox hefur uppfært loftmyndir af Suðurnesjum og Akureyri þannig að
> nú er hægt að missa sig í að teikna þar.
>
> Garð, Sandgerði og Grindavík vantaði algjörlega loftmyndir sem og
> stóran hluta Keflavíkur.
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Re: [Talk-lt] Osmand

[Albertas Agejevas]

On Tue, Apr 19, 2016 at 06:17:56PM +0300, Domas Jokubauskis wrote:
> Tiesiogiai naudojat GPL kodą ir pasakojat apie „agregatą“. Jei rimčiau
> platinsit savo produktą manau, kad tikrai dėl to turėsit problemų, jei
> netaikysit visam kodui GPL. Jei nepatinka GPL, galėjot maps.me imti kaip
> pagrindą.

Bet problemų turės tik tuo atveju, jei OsmAnd copyrightų turėtojai
(OsmAnd BV) pareikš pretenzijas.

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[OSM-talk-be] Fwd: Interview pour le journal L'Avenir

[Johan Huysmans]

FYI


 Forwarded Message 
Subject:Interview pour le journal L'Avenir
Date:   Mon, 25 Apr 2016 16:18:16 +0200
From:   Marie-Laure Mathot 
To: talk-be-ow...@openstreetmap.org 



Bonjour,

Je suis journaliste pour le quotidien L'Avenir. Je souhaite écrire un 
article à propos d'OpenStreetMap en Belgique, serait-il possible 
d'interviewer un membre de votre groupe de travail?


Merci d'avance pour votre réponse.

Bien à vous,

Marie-Laure Mathot

Journaliste à l'Avenir

081 24 89 36



To whom it may concern

I am journalist for the newspaper L'avenir. I would like to write an 
article about OpenStreetMap in Belgium. Is it possible to interview a 
member of tour working group?


Thank you for your answer.

Yours sincerely,

Marie-Laure Mathot

Journaliste à l'Avenir

081 24 89 36



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Re: [Talk-br] Digest Talk-br, volume 91, assunto 26

[Nelson A. de Oliveira]

2016-04-25 11:29 GMT-03:00 santamariense :
> @naoliv: Quando eu disse "liberar" eu quis dizer que seja interpretado
> pelo nominatim de forma correcta. Isso eu não sei onde fazer ou pedir.
> Creio que você tenha experiência nesta área.

Foi o Arlindo que perguntou sobre isso, e não eu, não foi? :-)

Mas de qualquer forma, se a gente sugerir número quebrado (como o 9.5)
ninguém vai olhar com uma cara boa. Vão apontar o dedo pra gente e dar
risada :-)

O que dá para fazer é repensar a classificação entre os 10 (ou
possíveis 11) níveis administrativos.

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Re: [OSM-talk] Crowdfunding for OpenStreetMap in Bénin : 275km² high resolution satellite imagery for Cotonou by 1-May 2016!

[john whelan]

There seems to be fairly reasonable free mapbox imagery of this area
available.  There is a lot of very reasonable African imagery available
that has not yet been mapped.

http://tasks.hotosm.org/project/1087 is an example.

Cheerio John

On 25 April 2016 at 10:17, nicolas chavent 
wrote:

>
> Hi all,
>
> Below is the English translation of an email sent first to the
> hot-francophone mailing list. It focuses on the first crowdfunding 100%
> directed to OpenStreetMap in Western Africa. The project is run by the
> local OSM association (OSM Bénin) with the support of the collective
> Projet Espace OSM Francophone (ProjetEOF) to purchase 275km² high
> resolution imagery over Cotonou, Benin economic capital.
>
> Enjoy the read and shall you be interested, join us! The crowfunding
> closes May1, 2016: in 7 days, we still have to raise 550 Euros (25%). This
> is an easy mean to make a big difference and have a huge OpenStreetMap
> and opendata impact in Cotonou and Benin by helping significatively the
> mapping of Cotonou by the Cotonou mappers who can then be supported
> remotely by the global OSM community and the Western African groups in
> the first place.
>
> Best,
>
> Nicolas on the behalf of the Association OSM Bénin et the collective
> ProjetEOF
>
>
> = Crowdfunding for OpenStreetMap in Bénin : 275km² high resolution
> satellite imagery for Cotonou by 1-May 2016! =
>
> Hi all,
>
> This crowdfunding *"Imagerie Satellite pour OSM Benin*" ([1],[2]) is lead
> by the Association OpenStreetMap Bénin (OSMBénin) [3] with the support of
> the collective Projet Espace OpenStreetMap Francophone (ProjetEOF) [4].
> It aims at purchasing around 275 km² high resolution imagery over Cotonou
> in a license which allows for creating into OpenStreetMap geographical
> information  about building, road network, hydrography and landuse.
>
> The mappers from Benin are active creating geographical data in
> OpenStreetMap and thus improving the Free Map of this World via mapathons
> [5] field data collections [6], as well as conducting information and
> outreach work tied to heavy training in GIS (QGIS) and mapping with OSM
> [7]. Unfortunately they are missing on Cotonou high resolution imagery via
> the Bing and MapBox layers. This forces the Benin OSM community to map
> Cotonou - *Benin economic capital* - through field surveys only (GPS,
> Mobile phones and FieldPapers), *a long time and money intensive work*.
> This takes us back to the early ages of OpenStreetMap prior its members
> had access to high resolution imagery through agreements with Yahoo,
> Microsoft Bing or benefited from opendata programs.
>
> Shall this crowdfunding works well, this would be a major breakthrough
> for the growth of OpenStreetMap in Cotonou and in Benin, as a matter of
> fact, with this imagery purchased, hosted and accesible:
>  - Not only the mappers from Bénin would be more efficient mapping
> Cotonou and in a position to dedicate more time to non mapping activities
> such information, outreach, building partnerships while continuing and
> expanding the activities they had been carrying out in the rest of the
> country since 2013 as one can read from the "Infolettre OSM Bénin" [8].
>  - But for mapping Cotonou, they could benefit from the support of the
> global OpenStreetMap community and specifically the Western African local
> groups with whom strong relations have been established and numerous joint
> mapping activities have been organized since 2013.
>
> The crowfunding closes in 7 days, we still have to raise 550 Euros (25%),
> an easy mean to make a big difference and have a huge OpenStreetMap and
> opendata impact by helping significatively the mapping of Cotonou by the
> Cotonou mappers with the support of the global OSM community and the
> Western African groups in the first place.
>
> To check the status of this crowdfunding project, stay tuned to the Ulule
> platform, the OSM lists, the Wiki site of the OSM project in Bénin, blogs
> and social media used by ProjetEOF (@ProjetEOF), OSMBénin (@OSMBénin) and
> other Western African OSM collectives.
>
> Nicolas on the behalf of the Association OSM Bénin and the collective
> Projet EOF.
>
> [1] : http://fr.ulule.com/imagerie-cotonou/
> [2] : https://projeteof.org/blog/crowdfunding-openstreetmap-au-benin
> -275km%C2%B2-dimagerie-satellite-haute-resolution-pour-cotonou-ce-1er-mai
> -2016/
> [3] : http://openstreetmap.bj/
> [4] : https://projeteof.org/blog/projet-eof/
> [5] : https://twitter.com/absaliou/status/566060712049770496
> [6] : https://twitter.com/agbadonou/status/719455286285570048
> [7] : https://twitter.com/agbadonou/status/677513770214801410
> [8] : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:SOTMTG-COM-OSMBJ-contenu.
> pdf
>
>
> --
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> Projet OpenStreetMap (OSM)
> Projet Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT)
> Projet Espace OSM Francophone (EOF)
> Mobile (FRA): +33 (0)6 52 40 78 20
> Mobile (CIV): +225 78 12 76 99
> 

Re: [Talk-lt] Osmand

[Albertas Agejevas]

On Thu, Apr 21, 2016 at 12:31:47PM +0300, Saulius Kaukenas wrote:
> Gerbiamas Mantai,
> 
> Panašu, kad jūs painiojate intelektualios nuosavybės, licencijos ir "open
> source" sąvokas. Kodo atskleidimas (Open Source) nesuponuoja jokios
> licencijos ir jokių teisių į kūrinį. Tai nusako licencija. Licencija kita
> vertus tik nusako sąlygas, kuriomis jūs galite naudotis programine įranga,
> bet nenusako turtinių ir neturtinių teisių. Tai skirtingi dalykai.
> 
> Jei jūs turite kokių nors klausimų dėl intelektualios nuosavybės, geriausia
> būtų konsultuotis su ekspertais, kurie ruošia teisininkus, siūlau
> susisiekti su dr. Tadu Klimu (https://www.ltlaw.lt/) arba pradžiai
> paskaityti jo knygą apie sutarčių teisę:
> http://www.cap-press.com/books/isbn/9780890895061/Comparative-Contract-Law--Cases-Text-and-Materialshttp://www.cap-press.com/books/isbn/9780890895061/Comparative-Contract-Law--Cases-Text-and-Materials

Prie ko čia sutarčių teisė?  Akivaizdžiai pažeidžiat Osmand licencijos
sąlygas, taigi neturite teisės naudoti Osmand kodo savo produkte.
Sutartys čia ne prie ko.

Albertas

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[OSM-talk] Crowdfunding for OpenStreetMap in Bénin : 275km² high resolution satellite imagery for Cotonou by 1-May 2016!

[nicolas chavent]

Hi all,

Below is the English translation of an email sent first to the
hot-francophone mailing list. It focuses on the first crowdfunding 100%
directed to OpenStreetMap in Western Africa. The project is run by the
local OSM association (OSM Bénin) with the support of the collective Projet
Espace OSM Francophone (ProjetEOF) to purchase 275km² high resolution
imagery over Cotonou, Benin economic capital.

Enjoy the read and shall you be interested, join us! The crowfunding closes
May1, 2016: in 7 days, we still have to raise 550 Euros (25%). This is an
easy mean to make a big difference and have a huge OpenStreetMap and
opendata impact in Cotonou and Benin by helping significatively the mapping
of Cotonou by the Cotonou mappers who can then be supported remotely by the
global OSM community and the Western African groups in the first place.

Best,

Nicolas on the behalf of the Association OSM Bénin et the collective
ProjetEOF


= Crowdfunding for OpenStreetMap in Bénin : 275km² high resolution
satellite imagery for Cotonou by 1-May 2016! =

Hi all,

This crowdfunding *"Imagerie Satellite pour OSM Benin*" ([1],[2]) is lead
by the Association OpenStreetMap Bénin (OSMBénin) [3] with the support of
the collective Projet Espace OpenStreetMap Francophone (ProjetEOF) [4]. It
aims at purchasing around 275 km² high resolution imagery over Cotonou in a
license which allows for creating into OpenStreetMap geographical
information  about building, road network, hydrography and landuse.

The mappers from Benin are active creating geographical data in
OpenStreetMap and thus improving the Free Map of this World via mapathons
[5] field data collections [6], as well as conducting information and
outreach work tied to heavy training in GIS (QGIS) and mapping with OSM
[7]. Unfortunately they are missing on Cotonou high resolution imagery via
the Bing and MapBox layers. This forces the Benin OSM community to map
Cotonou - *Benin economic capital* - through field surveys only (GPS,
Mobile phones and FieldPapers), *a long time and money intensive work*.
This takes us back to the early ages of OpenStreetMap prior its members had
access to high resolution imagery through agreements with Yahoo, Microsoft
Bing or benefited from opendata programs.

Shall this crowdfunding works well, this would be a major breakthrough for
the growth of OpenStreetMap in Cotonou and in Benin, as a matter of fact,
with this imagery purchased, hosted and accesible:
 - Not only the mappers from Bénin would be more efficient mapping Cotonou
and in a position to dedicate more time to non mapping activities such
information, outreach, building partnerships while continuing and expanding
the activities they had been carrying out in the rest of the country since
2013 as one can read from the "Infolettre OSM Bénin" [8].
 - But for mapping Cotonou, they could benefit from the support of the
global OpenStreetMap community and specifically the Western African local
groups with whom strong relations have been established and numerous joint
mapping activities have been organized since 2013.

The crowfunding closes in 7 days, we still have to raise 550 Euros (25%),
an easy mean to make a big difference and have a huge OpenStreetMap and
opendata impact by helping significatively the mapping of Cotonou by the
Cotonou mappers with the support of the global OSM community and the
Western African groups in the first place.

To check the status of this crowdfunding project, stay tuned to the Ulule
platform, the OSM lists, the Wiki site of the OSM project in Bénin, blogs
and social media used by ProjetEOF (@ProjetEOF), OSMBénin (@OSMBénin) and
other Western African OSM collectives.

Nicolas on the behalf of the Association OSM Bénin and the collective Projet
EOF.

[1] : http://fr.ulule.com/imagerie-cotonou/
[2] : https://projeteof.org/blog/crowdfunding-openstreetmap-au-benin
-275km%C2%B2-dimagerie-satellite-haute-resolution-pour-cotonou-ce-1er-mai
-2016/
[3] : http://openstreetmap.bj/
[4] : https://projeteof.org/blog/projet-eof/
[5] : https://twitter.com/absaliou/status/566060712049770496
[6] : https://twitter.com/agbadonou/status/719455286285570048
[7] : https://twitter.com/agbadonou/status/677513770214801410
[8] : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:SOTMTG-COM-OSMBJ-contenu.pdf


-- 
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Projet Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT)
Projet Espace OSM Francophone (EOF)
Mobile (FRA): +33 (0)6 52 40 78 20
Mobile (CIV): +225 78 12 76 99

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Re: [Talk-ec] Saludos

[Daniel Orellana]

Hola Jean!!!

Acabo de hablar con Fernanda, van a intentar configurar el geoserver para
poder hacer las peticiones TMS ZXY directamente, esperamos tener noticias
en las próximas horas.

Daniel.

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Grupo de Investigación en Recursos Hídricos y Ciencias Ambientales
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2016-04-25 2:29 GMT-05:00 Jean-Guilhem Cailton :

> Hola Fernanda,
>
> Bienvenida en OSM !
>
> Muchas gracias por la manera en la que el IGM abre sus imágenes pre- y
> post-sismo en WMS.
>
> Visto desde Europa, la manera en la que el Estado de Ecuador colabora de
> maniera abierta e incluyente con los voluntarios en esta crisis (por
> ejemplo coordinando los que proponen de hacer fotos con sus drones, etc)
> es un modelo y una inspiración.
>
> Saludos,
>
> Jean-Guilhem
>
>
> https://twitter.com/jgVisov
>
> Le 17/04/2016 18:42, María Fernanda Leon Pazmiño a écrit :
> > Mi nombre es Fernanda León
> > trabajo en el IGM Ecuador
> > deseo formar parte del grupo.
> >
> > Gracias.
> > ___
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> commettent »." Marc Bloch
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Chapter Directors' Powers

[Richard Fairhurst]

Rob Nickerson wrote:
> The poll we did last year (?) suggested that the OpenStreetMap UK 
> community want to be involved in decision making. My suggestion is 
> that, if this is the culture we want to breed then the Articles should 
> reflect this.

I'm the chairman of a community-owned non-profit[1] limited company here in
Charlbury. We have recently changed our Articles (for entirely unavoidable
reasons). It was a glorious pain in the arse.

I would strongly recommend that the articles should be the most permissive
possible. Unless you have paid admin staff, this sort of thing is horrid to
sort out. If you've got to the stage of resorting to the articles to resolve
member/director conflict, then something went very wrong months ago and you
should have dealt with it then.

Besides, there are much more impactful things people could be doing to
advance the state of OSM in the UK than faffing around with companies
legislation, right?

cheers
Richard

[1] not deliberately, we just don't make any money



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Re: [Talk-us] OSM attribution on website store locator pages

[Eric Ladner]

I'm glad to see that things are progressing through normal, friendly
discourse rather than the "talk to the hand" or "talk to our lawyers" that
some companies hide behind.

Great job, MapBox, and thanks for all the work you do!

Sincerely,

Eric Ladner
non-professional map junkie

On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 3:06 PM Mikel Maron  wrote:

> > "enterprise subscription" to MapBox, they are exempt from needing to
> include OSM attribution
>
> There's some confusion. OpenStreetMap attribution is always required --
> Mapbox enterprise users can elect to remove only the Mapbox attribution.
>
> We here at Mapbox are on this. More soon.
>
> -Mikel
>
> * Mikel Maron * +14152835207 @mikel s:mikelmaron
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] R25, Maperitive et orientation d'objets

[Philippe Verdy]

Le 25 avril 2016 à 11:46, Jean-Marc Liotier  a écrit :

> On 25/04/2016 00:46, Philippe Verdy wrote:
>
>> Si on veut faire une carte ayant ces types d'ajustements spécifiques, il
>> faut une base de données complémentaire, spécifique au rendu à faire, hors
>> OSM (c'est ce que fait MapQuest pour placer plus judicieusement certains
>> libellés importants ou les sélectionner selon des critères qu'ils
>> considèrent plus pertinents, notamment pour les faibles niveaux de zoom,
>> afin de les placer en priorité avant tout le reste issu d'OSM et qui sera
>> placé de façon automatisée s'il reste de la place).
>>
>
> Intéressante cette manière de maintenir les ajustements spécifiques...
> C'est mieux que le post-traitement manuel à chaque nouvelle publication -
> j'imagine une table avec des identifiants d'objets OSM et pour chacun
> d'entre eux une orientation et une position... Il y a de la documentation
> publique décrivant l'outillage de Mapquest ?
>

Non ce n'est pas dopcumenté mais ces ajustements sont stables quand les
données OSM bougent... jusqu'à ce qu'un objet soit supprimé et recréé (mais
MapQuest semble maintenant détecter ça aussi en faisant des rapprochements
quand l'ID a changé, ou alors il y a un adminsitrateur qui suit les objets
modifiés manuellement par Mapquest et qui sont supprimés d'OSM pour voir
s'il faut les garder encore ou reprendre un nouvel objet.
Mapquest ne fait pas que ça car il arrive aussi à garder des versions
anciennes d'objets quand ils sont supprimés ou cassés par erreur dans OSM.
Je ne vois pas comment ils peuvent faire ça sans une base annexe contenant
des tags supplémentaires bien à eux, dont certains spécifiques à chaque
niveau de zoom pour leur rendu. Mais c'est efficace par exemple pour
positionner les noms de baies, orienter les bras de mer, déplacer de façon
plus appropriée des noms de pays; ils ajoutent aussi par endroit des
libellés très décalés avec des filets pour désigner les zones. Ils ont
aussi des noms d'objets bien à eux (différents de ceux d'OSM), et
reconnaissent plus d'alias/synonymes que ceux trouvés dans OSM.
Il semblerait aussi qu'ils soient capables aussi de dessiner des frontières
politiques de pays selon le pays d'origine du visiteur (en cas de conflit
territorial). ils se sont adaptés aux demandes de leurs clients payants.

Je n'ai pas vu s'ils mettaient ce code de gestion de données spécifiques en
open-source ni aucune doc concernant les crtères de rapprochement utilisés.

Mais l'idée d'utiliser une base annexe n'est pas nouvelle, OSM le suggère
lui-même dans ses propres docs. Tout n'a pas vocation à être dans OSM, à
commencer par les tags pour le rendu, mais il n'empêche qu'il faut bien les
stocker quelque part et qu'il n'est pas question que les employés de
Mapquest passent leur temps à sans arrêt rééditer manuellement les mêmes
ajustements pour fixer des priorités d'affichage, des orientations, des
tailles de polices, des icônes alternatives, etc. ou pouvoir afficher des
données statistiques liées à d'autres bases de données (plus à jour que les
données dans OSM et à peu près cohérente en terme de date et de complétude).
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Re: [Talk-GB] UK Chapter Directors' Powers

[Robert Whittaker (OSM lists)]

On 23 April 2016 at 16:10, Rob Nickerson  wrote:
> To breed a culture of Member-led organisation (with Directors as figure
> heads) I suggest:
>
> Directors have all the power
> Members can direct the Directors to take/refrain from taking action via a
> ORDINARY Resolution
> Voting on Ordinary resolutions can be opened immediately (not 14 days), be
> online, and after a period of X days the vote is passed if 50% of those who
> voted (not 75% of ALL members in the case of the Written Special Resolution)
> accept the resolution.
>
> This sends a strong message that this is a member led organisation.

I agree that having a faster/easier mechanism for the members to reign
in the directors would be a good thing, and would force the directors
to consult the members and only proceed with their consent. However,
I'm not convinced that it would be a good idea (from a company law
point of view) to re-define "Ordinary Resolutions" to achieve this. As
an alternative solution, perhaps we should introduce the concept of a
more informal vote, say an "Online Pole", which members can use to
direct the directors. I would envisage something like this:

* Any five members may request that the directors run an Online Pole
on any matter concerning the way the Company is being run by the
directors.
* On receipt of such a request, a pole will be opened as soon as
practicable, and notice sent to all members.
* Once such a request has been received, the directors must refrain
from taking any action contrary to the pole motion until after the
pole has closed, unless this would result in them being unable to meet
a statutory or prior contractual obligation.
* An online pole closes at midnight UK time at the end of the 7th day
following the day that notice is sent to all members.
* The directors are bound by any motion in an online pole passed by a
simple majority of those voting, unless this would result in them
being unable to meet a statutory or prior contractual obligation,
until such time as the motion is set aside or superseded by a
subsequent pole or resolution.

Alternatively, we could redefine the section on written resolutions
along the lines of the above.

(With the current draft of the AoA, as far as I can see, there's
actually no way for the members to demand a written resolution in
order to exercise their S9 power to direct the directors. So currently
they'd have to call a General Meeting and propose the resolution there
if the directors weren't cooperative. That requires at least 14 days
notice of the meeting.)

Robert.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] R25, Maperitive et orientation d'objets

[JB]

Pour le sondage autour de chez moi (zone rurale, peut-être moins de 
contraintes liées à des cartes trop chargées) :

 - orientés correctement : 9 églises
 - orienté à 180° : 1 église
 - orienté autrement : aucun.
Sans forcément chercher à pinailler, à Séverac-l'Église, le symbole 
n'est pas que mal orienté, il est aussi mal placé (mauvais angle du 
triangle des rues)

JB.

Le 25/04/2016 00:35, Philippe Verdy a écrit :

Regarde aussi à Rodez...

Le 25 avril 2016 à 00:33, Philippe Verdy > a écrit :


Si tu veux un exemple, regarde les cartes IGN pour
Séverac-l'Eglise et vois comment le symbole change d'orientation
sans *jamais* afficher l'orientation réelle de l'édifice...


Le 25 avril 2016 à 00:03, Philippe Verdy > a écrit :

En plus j'ai vérifié, l'IGN n'oriente pas ses symboles sur ses
cartes. Si parfois le symbole est "penché" c'est juste pour le
dessiner en évitant de le superposer à autre chose, mais pas
en tenant compte de l'orientation réelle de l'édifice.

A grande d'échelle, le symbole (légèrement différent selon
qu'il s'agit d'une église ou cathédrale, d'une petite chapelle
ou juste d'un calvaire ouvert sur l'extérieur sans nef) n'est
jamais orienté (la croix est toujours verticale, ou pas
affiché du tout pour les plus petits édifices s'il y a autre
chose plus remarquable à afficher). A petite échelle, il n'y a
aucun symbole sur le bâtiment, c'est le bâtiment qui est
représenté dans sa forme réelle, la croix disparait, il reste
juste un petit cercle signalant son entrée principale, et le
nom de l'édifice (ou l'abréviation "Egl.") peut être affiché
sans symbole.

C'est à échelle moyenne qu'on peut voir des ajustements
manuels de l'orientation pour éviter de recouvrir un autre
symbole proche pour éviter de couper un libellé; il n'y a
aucune règle prédéterminée selon les endroits un ajustement
est fait... ou pas (selon l'importance relative des autrers
éléments voisins à représenter, ce n'est pas toujours ce
symbole qui est ajusté mais les libellés autour qui peuvent
être décalés).


Le 24 avril 2016 à 23:40, Philippe Verdy > a écrit :

H. Je n'ai pas dit ça (et surtout pas dans ces termles
insultants). Mais je voudrais un exemple clair.

Le 24 avril 2016 à 17:34, JB > a écrit :

Bien, Philippe, tu penseras donc à faire suivre ce mél
à l'IGN pour leur expliquer qu'il bossent comme des
porcs depuis quelques dizaines d'années, et qu'ils
s'entêtent dans cette voie-là.
JB.


Le 24/04/2016 13:15, Philippe Verdy a écrit :


Le 22/04/2016 22:08, Frédéric Rodrigo a écrit :

Pour les églises c'est d'autant plus
"intéressant" que le symbole est orienté et
la forme non triviale !

Je crois que le défi est lancé. Par contre, ça
risque d'attendre un peu, ma liste de choses à
faire avant est un peu longue.


Je ne vois pas en quoi le symbole d'une église ou
temple (la croix) ou d'une synagogue (classiquement
une étoile de David) ou d'une mosquée (classiquement
un croissant) est orienté : il n'y a qu'une
orientation valable dans chaque cas (celle de
représetnation de la carte), c'est un symbole qui
apparaitre ancré sur le batiment, même s'il n'est
représenté que par un noeud ou par un polygone
complexe. Faire tourner cette croix ou le croissant
aura un sens un peu particulier et pourrait même être
perçu négativement (imaginez l'effet de voir une
croix renversée).
Dans tous les cas on se place dans l'orientation
d'observation de la carte (et de lecture de sa
légende éventuelle).
Ce n'est pas comme les terrains de sport ou les
barrières et barrages qu'on a intéret à rienter dans
le bon sens dans ils ne sont représentés que par un
noeud (le symbole étant figuratif de la réalité). Je
ne vois même pas en quoi cela améliore la lisibilité
de la carte et la reconnaissance du symbole. Si cela
dépend de l'orientation du batiment, c'est le
batiment lui-même qu'il faut représenter (et ce n'est
pas lié au culte qui est célébré dedans... ou pas).

Re: [Talk-it] Mappatura on the go

[Giulio Barba]

Sembra proprio fare al caso mio. Lo provo subito.
Grazie Giovanni e buona giornata

Il giorno lun 25 apr 2016 alle ore 13:18 Cascafico Giovanni <
cascaf...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Osmtracker non é pesante. Ha delle pre impostazioni che presumo
> personalizzabili. Aggiunge note scritte, audio, foto.
> IMHO, unico neo, per scattare foto si deve fare uno o due click inutili
> che, in condizioni di molta luce, sono fastdiosi.
>
> a casa scarichi la sessione in una cartella e controlli tutto il
> multimediale (audio, note, foto, nonché la traccia gps) dalla finestra
> geografica di JOSM.
>
> Naturalmente puoi inserire gli elementi OSM preimpostati, ma credo sia più
> pratico farlo dopo.
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Re: [Talk-it] Mappatura on the go

[Cascafico Giovanni]

Osmtracker non é pesante. Ha delle pre impostazioni che presumo
personalizzabili. Aggiunge note scritte, audio, foto.
IMHO, unico neo, per scattare foto si deve fare uno o due click inutili
che, in condizioni di molta luce, sono fastdiosi.

a casa scarichi la sessione in una cartella e controlli tutto il
multimediale (audio, note, foto, nonché la traccia gps) dalla finestra
geografica di JOSM.

Naturalmente puoi inserire gli elementi OSM preimpostati, ma credo sia più
pratico farlo dopo.

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Re: [Talk-br] RES: Limite de cidades com distritos

[Leonardo Brondani Schenkel]

On 23/04/2016 00:42, Blademir Andrade de Lima wrote:
> Pelo visto este assunto vai longe. Eu li toda a discussão do fórum,
> tenho que concordar que Regiões, Mesorregiões e Microrregiões não são
> limites administrativos, e sim estatísticos.

Concordo plenamente. O nome da tag é evidente por si só: *admin*_level.

Faltou bom senso quando resolveram fazer mal uso da tag e colocar
definições puramente estatísticas; bastaria ter criado uma tag nova para
codificar as divisões estatísticas do IBGE. O Brasil é na verdade um dos
países onde seria mais fácil aplicar as tags de forma correta, afinal é
um país completamente uniforme em termos de administração (só existem a
União, os Estados, os Municípios e eventualmente mais de um Distrito
[mas que não é autônomo]) e isso se aplica a 100% do território) — em
comparação, os EUA, UK e muitos países da Europa são um caos total em
termos de uniformidade de sua organização.

Entretanto, discutir o passado não é produtivo. A situação é o que é. A
questão importante é a seguinte: vamos continuar cavando o buraco ou
vamos sair do buraco?

Existem 2 conjuntos de países no OSM — os que têm 10 admin_level e os
que têm 11:
-
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative#10_admin_level_values_for_specific_countries
-
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:boundary%3Dadministrative#11_admin_level_values_for_specific_countries

Note que a Alemanha começou com 10 e agora tem 11, não estou
familiarizado com os detalhes da comunidade OSM alemã mas aposto que
houve um discussão grande por lá mais ou menos parecida com a que está
acontecendo aqui.

O importante ao tomar decisões é que sejamos consistentes com o resto do
mundo OSM, e principalmente a Europa, afinal o projeto nasceu lá, o
movimento é forte lá, muito do software vem de lá, e cada vez que o
Brasil passar a ser um caso especial isso significa que isso vai ter que
ser codificado em software — o que vai resultar que por default o
software não vai funcionar corretamente para o Brasil, a menos que o
autor esteja familiarizado com as nossas peculiaridades ou existam
brasileiros contribuindo.

Dito isto, vamos então ver o que os outros países de 11 níveis fizeram.
Olhem a tabela (principalmente Alemanha, Holanda, e Bolívia):
- nível 8: o que no Brasil corresponde ao município
- nível 9: sub-divisão do município autônoma
- nível 10: sub-divisão do município não-autônoma
- nível 11: bairros

Sendo bem pedante, o nível 9 não existe no Brasil porque os distritos
não têm seu próprio governo de forma completamente autônoma da
prefeitura, mas pragmaticamente isso tem pouca importância para nós ou
para o OSM. Faz sentido que então o Brasil, ao adotar 11 níveis, fizesse
o seguinte:
- nível 8: município
- nível 9: distrito
- nível 10: sub-distrito (ou sub-prefeitura, etc.)
- nível 11: bairros

A organização acima, a meu ver, é consistente com o que está sendo feito
por todos os outros países de nível 11. Corrigir os dados existentes em
batch também não é difícil, 8 continua 8, 9 continua 9, tudo que hoje é
10 vira 11 e as exceções (que são poucas, comparativamente falando)
podem ser corrigidas manualmente. Se queremos que o Brasil passe a ter
11 níveis, esse é o caminho. Qualquer software que saiba tratar 11
níveis e contenha lógica que funcione para os países já existentes
também vai funcionar sem modificações para o Brasil.

Abraços,
// Leonardo.

P.S.: Minha opinião pessoal está abaixo.

O admin_level é uma organização pragmática de mostrar hierarquia de um
ponto de vista de uma mapa, não uma representação 100% correta da
hierarquia de um ponto administrativo/organizacional/legal (até porque é
impossível fazer isso em muitos dos países da Europa, como eu disse a
"organização" deles não é uniforme, nem muito "organizada"). Do ponto de
vista do um usuário de mapa, em qualquer ponto aleatório do Brasil
queremos quase sempre saber a seguinte informação:
- o bairro
- a cidade (município)
- o estado
Ou seja, níveis 4, 8 e 10 para serem consistentes com o resto do mundo
(considerando os países de 10 níveis).

Acho que há pouquíssimos casos em que um usuário normal do OSM, não
especializado, queira saber ou ver os distritos e/ou sub-distritos de um
município (até porque é uma divisão puramente administrativa interna
feita pela prefeitura, muitas vezes a própria população não sabe quais
são nem onde acaba um e começa o outro — já isso não se aplica da mesma
forma ao bairro). Isso não quer dizer que a informação não deva ser
mapeada para usos mais especializados, mas se utilizássemos para essa
informação tags que são específicas para o Brasil em vez de eternamente
ficarmos discutindo como codificar isso no admin_level teríamos as
seguintes vantagens:
- a quantidade de discussão diminui
- as tags ficam mais óbvias e simples...
- ...o que também simplifica o processo para novos contribuidores
- usos especializados dos dados do OSM podem usar as tags específicas,
já que se eles estão interessados na particularidade do Brasil 

Re: [Talk-br] RES: Limite de cidades com distritos

[Arlindo Pereira]

Não entendi o seu ponto sobre "liberar" um novo nível. Quem vai liberar?
Podemos taguear da forma como bem entendermos, desde que cheguemos em um
consenso sobre qual deveria ser a tag.

[]s

2016-04-24 15:50 GMT-03:00 Blademir Andrade de Lima 
:

> Acho difícil, uma vez que nem o 9 e nem o 10 não estão nem parcialmente
> mapeados.
>
>
>
> Somente irão liberar um novo nível uma vez que estejam “saturados” todos
> os outros níveis.
>
>
>
> Att,
>
> BladeTC
>
>
>
> Enviado do Email  para
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *De: *santamariense 
> *Enviado:*domingo, 24 de abril de 2016 09:35
> *Para: *talk-br@openstreetmap.org
> *Assunto: *Re: [Talk-br] Limite de cidades com distritos
>
>
> > From: Arlindo Pereira 
>
> >
> > E se a gente forçasse uma barra e tagueasse subdistrito como
> > "admin_level=9.5"? Retaguear bairro acho insano.
> >
> > []s
>
> Já havia pensado em algo parecido. Pois além da gente ter todos os
> níveis administrativos representados, eles ainda tem que ter um
> paralelismo com os níveis de outros países.
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[Talk-it] Mappatura on the go

[Giulio Barba]

Ciao a tutti, vi scrivo per chiedervi un consiglio. A me piace raccogliere
dettagli utili da inserire nelle mappe: posizione di fontane, rastrelliere
bici, tavoli pic-nic, cestini portarifiuti, etc. Sono alla ricerca di un
sistema veloce ed affidabile per raccogliere la posizione dei punti di
interesse mentre sono in giro, e poi inserirli con calma una volta a casa
mentre sono al pc.
Le applicazioni di mappe sono molte, e molto complete, io cercherei uno
strumento molto semplice, una sorta di mini-database che salvi la posizione
gps e un tag che mi aiuti nel ricordare il contenuto del punto di interesse
salvato. Il top sarebbe se fosse compatibile con android e con un widget
dedicato all'inserimento al volo del punto di interesse.
Avete qualche app da consigliarmi?
Grazie e buona giornata!

Giulio
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Re: [Talk-gb-westmidlands] Incorrect 'suburb' in 'reverse nominatim' search

[Andy Townsend]

(top-posting because it probably does make sense to keep the whole of 
the previous email together at the end)


I suspect that this might be partly related to this enhancement request:

https://github.com/twain47/Nominatim/issues/231

The tl;dr of that is "nominatim works much better with areas rather than 
nodes".


and of course I suspect from what you're saying that 
http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/8096746 shouldn't be tagged "place=suburb".


Another thing to think about might be that even when you fix it in the 
data, I'm not sure that Mapquest's nominatim will update (they recently 
changed the technology they're using and tile layers such as 
https://otile2-s.mqcdn.com/tiles/1.0.0/osm/17/64777/42820.png don't seem 
to be being updated; not sure if their nominatim is still being updated 
too).


Answering the questions:

> 1. Is there any recognised use of 'suburb' in the UK (or West 
Midlands) for smaller towns ?


I think so - there's certainly been discussion in London over what is a 
"suburb" and what a "town".  I can't comment on the West Mids though - 
not really a local.



> 2. Why is this appearing in the description for places well away from 
the location ?


That's the issue above I believe.

> 3. I assume that it is OK just to delete the 'place=suburb' tag (I 
haven't done any OSM editing for some time &

> I'm a bit out of touch) ?

That "place=suburb" on a way looks wrong to me too - I'd just delete 
it.  That mapper has made relatively few edits, and the last was over 8 
years ago so I doubt they'll be contactable.


Cheers,

Andy



On 24/04/2016 11:26, Iain Simpson wrote:
I'm creating a database of all my geotagged photos and using a 
'reverse nominatim' search to describe the location (using Mapquest).


Some of the descriptions are peculiar in that they return a 'suburb' 
which is inaccurate.


Example

lat="52.8186007" lon="-2.1179502"
returns :

Marston Road
Salcombe Avenue
Stafford
Staffordshire
West Midlands
England
ST16 3BT
United Kingdom
gb

'Salcombe Avenue' is a minor residential street 2km to the SE.
(52.795,-2.0818)

Much of east Stafford is designated as part of this 'suburb'

On investigation the only 'suburb' ref is for way 8095766 changeset 
35344 created in 2007 and never changed.




Questions
1. Is there any recognised use of 'suburb' in the UK (or West 
Midlands) for smaller towns ?


2. Why is this appearing in the description for places well away from 
the location ?


3. I assume that it is OK just to delete the 'place=suburb' tag (I 
haven't done any OSM editing for some time & I'm a bit out of touch) ?


(I'm now going to try and find out how the Reverse Nominatim actually 
works.)






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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] R25, Maperitive et orientation d'objets

[Jean-Marc Liotier]

On 25/04/2016 00:46, Philippe Verdy wrote:
Si on veut faire une carte ayant ces types d'ajustements spécifiques, 
il faut une base de données complémentaire, spécifique au rendu à 
faire, hors OSM (c'est ce que fait MapQuest pour placer plus 
judicieusement certains libellés importants ou les sélectionner selon 
des critères qu'ils considèrent plus pertinents, notamment pour les 
faibles niveaux de zoom, afin de les placer en priorité avant tout le 
reste issu d'OSM et qui sera placé de façon automatisée s'il reste de 
la place).


Intéressante cette manière de maintenir les ajustements spécifiques... 
C'est mieux que le post-traitement manuel à chaque nouvelle publication 
- j'imagine une table avec des identifiants d'objets OSM et pour chacun 
d'entre eux une orientation et une position... Il y a de la 
documentation publique décrivant l'outillage de Mapquest ?



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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] R25, Maperitive et orientation d'objets

[Philippe Verdy]

Le 25 avril 2016 à 08:57, Nicolas Dumoulin  a écrit
:

> Le Mon, 25 Apr 2016 00:33:34 +0200,
> Philippe Verdy  a écrit :
>
> > Si tu veux un exemple, regarde les cartes IGN pour Séverac-l'Eglise
> > et vois comment le symbole change d'orientation sans *jamais* afficher
> > l'orientation réelle de l'édifice...
>
> À rapprocher de ce que tu affirmais plus tôt :
> "Faire tourner cette croix ou
> le croissant aura un sens un peu particulier et pourrait même être perçu
> négativement"
>

Ce que j'ai affirmé plus tôt reste valable, preuve en est que l'IGN ne
tient pas compte de l'orientation, son seul critère c'est le rendu final à
une échelle donnée. La croix d'ailleurs représente seulement le caractère
religieux, pas du tout la forme du bâtiment (et toutes les églises n'ont
pas non plus la forme d'une nef croisée d'une abside, même dans les formes
anciennes: dans le style roman clasique c'est même plutôt rare, il aura
fallu l'apparition d'évolutions architecturale pour monter les nefs et les
clochers, mais surtout l'invention des ogives pour soutenir ces édifices;
avant les contreforts étaient imposant et ça n'a pas empêche bon nombre
d'édifices de s'effondrer ; les églises d'aujourd'hui n'ont plus la forme
de nef croisée, les abbatiales sont souvent formées de plusieurs chapelles
autour d'un patio central ouvert; l'GN ne met pas un symbole sur chacune
des chapelles, il le met pour l'édifice entier, en privilégiant le point le
plus haut et le plus visible de loin et repérable sur la carte, donc
souvent le clocher).

Après ça la position de la croix posée dessus n'a rien à voir avec la forme
du bâtiment. J'ai donné d'autres exemples similaires avec les symbole de
balisage kilométrique sur les carte IGN qui eux non plus n'ont aucune
orientation signifiante mais juste ajustée dans une direction qui recouvre
moins d'autres détails pour mieux s'en détacher.

Quand l'IGN n'a pas besoin de détacher le symbole sur une carte à échelle
donnée, il est systématiquement vertical. Quand il y a inclinaison, elle
est faible, et ce n'est jamais pour le renverser la tête en bas (même si la
nef est dirigée plein sud). Bref regarde les cartes et tu verras toi-même
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Re: [Talk-lt] Osmand įgarsinimas

[Domas Jokubauskis]

2016.04.25 11:06, Paulius Zaleckas rašė:
> Tai manau, kad nepriestaraus del kelimo i github'a, bet keliant i ten
> gerai butu, kad licenzija ir copyright'ai jau butu sutvarkyti.
Man dėl licenzijos atrašė Gediminas Navickas, gediminas.navic...@mii.vu.lt.


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[Talk-cz] nefunguje analýza rozcestníků na OSMHicheck

[Zdeněk Pražák]

dal jsem provést analýzu databáze rozcestníků na http://osm.fit.vutbr.cz/
OsmHiCheck/gp/?analyse

vygeneruje se mi však pouze tabulka se třemi řádky ( první tři rozcestníky)
Pražák
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[Talk-de] Erinnerung Berliner OSM-Hackweekend 30.4. / 01.05.2016

[lars lingner]

Hallo,

zur Erinnerung möchte ich auf das Berliner OSM-Hackweekend
am kommenden Wochenende aufmerksam machen. Alle Infos dazu gibt es
entweder auf der Wiki-Seite [1] oder direkt bei mir.

Wer von außerhalb kommt, bringt bitte gutes Wetter mit :)
Davon hängt es ab ob evtl. der Grill am Samstag genutzt werden kann.

Das Wichtigste:

Wann: 30.04./01.05 2015 jeweils ab 10:00 Uhr
Wo: Büro 2.0, Weigandufer 45, 12059 Berlin
ÖPNV: S-Sonnenallee
Karte:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?mlat=52.479525=13.454199=17=M


Viele Grüße

Lars


[1] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Berlin_Hack_Weekend_April_2016

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Re: [Talk-lt] Osmand įgarsinimas

[Paulius Zaleckas]

Tai manau, kad nepriestaraus del kelimo i github'a, bet keliant i ten gerai
butu, kad licenzija ir copyright'ai jau butu sutvarkyti.

2016-04-25 10:59 GMT+03:00 Rimas Kudelis :

> Jo, aš jiems apie tai irgi kalbėjau. Bet jie mokslininkai (taigi,
> licencijos nelabai jiems rūpi), o projektas baigėsi, tad nežinia, kiek čia
> laiko tas formalus licencijavimas užtruks.
>
> Kita vertus, yra jų svetainėje parašyta, ką galima daryti, ir tai galima
> būtų laikyti savotiška „licencija“, nors ir nelabai formalia:
>
> Visi projekto LIEPA metu sukurti produktai (paslaugos naudotojams,
> infrastruktūrinės paslaugos) nemokamai prieinami visiems norintiems jais
> naudotis ar plėtoti jų galimybes. Tie, kurie domisi atpažintuvų,
> elektroninio teksto skaitytuvų galimybėmis, gali juos atsisiųsti ir laisvai
> naudoti kurdami naujus produktus bei paslaugas, turinčias lietuvių šnekos
> atpažinimo ir sintezės funkcijas.
>
> Panaudojus infrastruktūrines paslaugas kitų produktų sukūrimui, prašome
> paminėti savo produkto aprašyme, kad šios paslaugos buvo sukurtos vykdant
> projektą *Lietuvių šneka valdomos paslaugos - LIEPA*.
>
>
> Iš esmės tai čia panašu į BSD. :)
>
> O dėl GitHub'o tai manau vertėtų jiems dar kartą parašyti ir pasakyti, kad
> štai tu nori tą produktą pritaikyti androidams bet nori tai daryti git
> repozitorijoje. Tikėtina, kad jie turi savo git'ą kažkur, bet gal jie visai
> neprieštarautų persikelti į atviresnę erdvę. Bet kuriuo atveju, nemanau,
> kad jie tau draustų jų pirminius tekstus į github'ą įkelti. Tiesiog gal
> prisidėtų patys, įkeldami juos jau su savo pakeitimų istorija.
>
> Rimas
>
>
> 2016-04-25 10:37, Paulius Zaleckas rašė:
>
> Paziurejau tos "Liepos" sourcus, tai nieko neprizadu, bet manau per koki
> pora menesiu paleisiu ant androido. Gerai butu, kad paaisketu kokia
> "Liepos" licenzija pries publikuojant android versija + galima butu viesai
> github'e ir keliese dirbti prie jos.
>
> 2016-04-22 15:46 GMT+03:00 Domas Jokubauskis :
>
>> 2016.04.20 19 <2016.04.20%2019>:51, Rimas Kudelis rašė:
>> > O TTS šiame kontekste reiškia „text-to-speech“ (mašininį įgarsinimą)
>> > ar kažką kito? Jeigu pirmasis atvejis, tai klausimas: ar niekas
>> > nebandė reikiamų failų sugeneruoti „Liepos“ balsų pagalba? Ar tai dėl
>> > kažkokių priežasčių netinkamas būdas?
>> Paklausiau apie projekto LIEPA Android TTS ir licenzijavimą. Gediminas
>> Navickas štai ką atsakė:
>>
>> *
>> Android TTS variklį planuojame sukurti po kokių metų laiko.
>>
>> Kol kas vienintelė sąlyga jau sukurtų produktų naudojimui - mūsų
>> projekto paminėjimas.
>> Formalią licenciją dar ruošiame, tačiau bet kokiu atveju panaudojimas
>> net ir komercinių produktų kūrimui bus nemokamas. Tai galioja visiems
>> projekto LIEPA metu sukurtiems produktams.
>> *
>>
>> --
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>> Domas Jokubauskis
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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] R25, Maperitive et orientation d'objets

[Nicolas Dumoulin]

Le Mon, 25 Apr 2016 00:33:34 +0200,
Philippe Verdy  a écrit :

> Si tu veux un exemple, regarde les cartes IGN pour Séverac-l'Eglise
> et vois comment le symbole change d'orientation sans *jamais* afficher
> l'orientation réelle de l'édifice...

À rapprocher de ce que tu affirmais plus tôt :
"Faire tourner cette croix ou
le croissant aura un sens un peu particulier et pourrait même être perçu
négativement"

Bref, vas-y JB éclates-toi sur ton rendu :-)

-- 
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