Re: [talk-cz] Mapa nebo infotabule?

[Miroslav Suchý]

Dne 23. 08. 20 v 20:11 majka napsal(a):

nejsou určené turistům ale místním.


Když jezdím s kluky na čundr tak tyto vývěsky dost používáme jako 
neocenitelný zdroj informací. Říkáme jim "vesnický internet". :)


M.



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Re: [OSM-talk] Cannot find address ringvegen 45 Sørkjosen in nominatim

[Maarten Deen]

On 2020-08-23 22:20, Sarah Hoffmann wrote:

Hi,

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 09:41:10PM +0200, Maarten Deen wrote:

Node 3117603944 was established in 2014 with tags
addr:city   Sørkjosen
addr:housenumber45
addr:postcode   9152
addr:street Ringvegen

Yet, when I query nominatim for Ringvegen 45 Sørkjosen I get no 
results.


What is going wrong here? Sørkjosen itself is found [2] so the problem 
does
not seem to lie in the special character (I wouldn't have thought so). 
Also
found is the street which is named Ringveien [3] in OSM. No idea why 
the
street is called different than the address node, but does Nominatim 
not

index address nodes?


Nominatim only indexes addresses of streets and then searches for
address nodes based on the address of the street they are attached
to.

In that particular example, the housenumber got attached to Hovedvegen
because Nominatim could not find a 'Ringvegen' and used the nearest
street:
https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ui/details.html?osmtype=N=3117603944


Just one question though (well two acutally): why does it find 
Hovedvegen as nearest street and not Reingveien 
https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ui/details.html?osmtype=W=282670088 
?
And would it be an idea to make some kind of fuzzy matching when 
searching for names? Like "it is better to take a street which has just 
one different letter then one where all differ"?


Regards,
Maarten

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[Talk-it] R: se siete mappatori attivi potete diventare membri della OpenStreetMap-Foundation a gratis

[canfe]

Potrebbero anche accorgersene come scritto nel loro documento:

Can’t this be cheated?
We also discussed abuse. When we receive an application, we contact the 
mentioned OpenStreetMap account(s) through the OSM messaging system to confirm 
they are owned by the applicant. You could of course make tiny contributions 
like wiggling a single node on 60 days, and maybe go undetected and get your 
membership. But that would be fraud, and the membership could be revoked if MWG 
finds out that the contributions are not meaningful.

Saluti canfe

-Messaggio originale-
Da: Martin Koppenhoefer [mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com] 
se ci tieni dovrebbe essere fattibile mappare delle piccole cose nei prossimi 
giorni fino al raggiungimento dei 42 giorni...

Ciao Martin 
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Re: [Talk-it] tags per piazza

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 23. Aug 2020, at 22:35, Massimo Rossi  wrote:
> 
> ciao! Ho bisogno di un chiarimento. mi risulta, anche rileggendo la wiki,che 
> per una piazza si usa il tag place e il tag name.


sì, io spesso ci creo un oggetto a parte, perché la piazza comprende tutto 
(fontane, pozzi, alberi, aiuole, ecc.) mentre il highway solo la parte 
calpestabile/accessibile. 
Se si tratta di strada che attraversano la piazza queste sono da mappare come 
linee e non come aree.

In generale, il tag place =square comprende tutte le tipologie (al meno nella 
mia lettura), quindi anche
largo
piazzetta
piazzale 
campo
ecc.

(forse si potrebbe creare sottotipi espliciti? Tipo square=* ma temo che al 
livello internazionale non lo capirebbero)

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Re: [Talk-us] Mapping the Future I-87?

[Kevin Kenny]

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 5:21 PM Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us <
talk-us@openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> For the last few months, I've been seeing "Future I-87" signs along
> portions of US-64 and US-17 in North Carolina.  I-87[0] exists on a section
> of highway near Raleigh, NC, and will eventually extend to Norfolk, VA.
>
> Should I start a relation for "Future I-87" and add those sections of
> highway that are already known to be part of the project to the relation?
>
>
My opinion: Map the parts that are signed as 'Future I-87' in the field.
The extent to which we map 'future' routes is controversial, but if there
are M1 signs accompanied with signs in the style of M4 that read 'FUTURE'
instead of 'ALT', 'TEMPORARY', etc., then very few mappers would object to
mapping something that's signed in the field.

There are already routes mapped with route=road, network=US:I:Future, with
ref=26, ref=74, ref=785 and ref=840. I've been wanting to do 'Future I-86'
in New York, but I'd have to drive it to see precisely where it's signed.
(I can find out easily where the DOT says it is built, not so easily where
they've actually marked it.)



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Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 23. Aug 2020, at 21:41, mmd  wrote:
> 
> That's a pretty dystopian view on the OSM future, if you ask me...


I did not mean to callout mappers, but it could help to highlight potentially 
weak parts of the map where a resurvey could make more sense than in other 
parts or also to interpret map information according to mapping styles of the 
mappers. It is not necessarily about “good“ and “bad“ mapping.

Another example: I have recently found a lot of highway=path which clearly were 
tracks according to aerial imagery. A tool which would allow to filter for 
“paths by this mapper” (maybe in a similar timeframe) could speed up finding 
and fixing them.

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Re: [Talk-GB] man_made=survey_point

[Nick]

Thanks Jass - I was not aware of this excellent piece of work by Greg - 
do we know if the proposals "Possible import" were followed through?


I wonder if OS have other data for the 'benchmarks i.e. more precise 
than the data currently available.


On 23/08/2020 15:26, Jass Kurn wrote:
Gregrs has provided converted data for trig points, with the data 
obtained from a FOI request. They created a page to explain the 
process, and made available the converted data as a gpx file 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_triangulation_stations .


Jass

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 15:13, Nick > wrote:


My thinking was that most people surveying would not use accurate
and precise systems such as differential GPS and/or RTK. So if
these systems were used to accurately and precisely locate
distinct local markers (i.e. trig points, benchmarks etc.) then
local surveys could potentially use these to refine/check their
own surveys. This approach would still be based on community input
but could be used as an approach to education (e.g. local schools
involved) as to how surveying works in practice.

On 23/08/2020 12:27, SK53 wrote:

This approach has been advocated in other European countries, and
the Spanish community imported all the points of the national
geodesic network (e.g., for Extremadura
).
They more or less violate the idea of OSM as something which is
community contributed (IIRC each point has "DO NOT MOVE") and
often interfere with objects which do need mapping (churches are
a particular point). It's not clear that this import has assisted
improved accuracy of mapping in Spain.

Many trig pillars are now way out of alignment and mainly of
interest as an artefact. Even benchmarks might not have much
relevance as OS surveying mainly uses differential GPS with
reference to their own base network (OS Net

).
(From the OS website "Ordnance Survey (OS) benchmarks and their
heights haven't been regularly maintained for over 40 years.").

OS Net is effectively proprietary, there are a limited number of
open base stations for differential GPS in the UK. I do believe
differential GPS (RTK) has a role to play in OSM surveying,
although for specific purposes rather than generic improvement of
feature alignment.

Regards,

Jerry

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 10:05, Nick mailto:n...@foresters.org>> wrote:

I have been looking at what is recorded under this tag in my
area. I see
that there aren't that many and those that are on OSM refer
to trig
points (see also http://trigpointing.uk/). My thinking is
that if these
are accurate and precisely marked on OSM then perhaps they
could be used
for resolving issue such as aerial imagery offsets.

I therefore wondered if it was worth using other data under
this tag -
specifically benchmarks
(https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/benchmarks/)
as there are huge numbers in the UK. If these were marked on
OSM and
their accuracy and precision verified (OS open data is to the
nearest
10m square and transforming that adds errors), they could be
helpful in
local surveys where they are less than accurate but also for
ensuring
that moving all nodes in an area is valid (not just to match
aerial
imagery). A possible linked organisation with data is
https://www.bench-marks.org.uk/

Incidentally, the benchmarks can be helpful if you need to align
historical maps which have benchmarks shown.

Any thoughts?


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[Talk-us] Mapping the Future I-87?

[Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us]

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For the last few months, I've been seeing "Future I-87" signs along portions of 
US-64 and US-17 in North Carolina.  I-87[0] exists on a section of highway near 
Raleigh, NC, and will eventually extend to Norfolk, VA.

Should I start a relation for "Future I-87" and add those sections of highway 
that are already known to be part of the project to the relation?

Thanks,
Eric "Sparks"

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_87_(North_Carolina)





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Re: [OSM-talk] Cannot find address ringvegen 45 Sørkjosen in nominatim

[Sarah Hoffmann]

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 10:37:48PM +0200, pangoSE wrote:
> Sarah Hoffmann  skrev: (23 augusti 2020 22:20:35 CEST)
> >Nominatim only indexes addresses of streets and then searches for
> >address nodes based on the address of the street they are attached
> >to.
> >
> >In that particular example, the housenumber got attached to Hovedvegen
> >because Nominatim could not find a 'Ringvegen' and used the nearest
> >street:
> >https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ui/details.html?osmtype=N=3117603944
> >
> >So you get a slightly different address than expected.
> >Fix the name of the street and everything sorts itself out.
> 
>  thanks for the explanation and link. Are these very useful get parameters 
> documented somewhere? 

https://nominatim.org/release-docs/develop/api/Details/

Use the details page without any paramaters to get a form where
you can select which OSM object to show information about:
https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ui/details.html

Sarah

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Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

[pangoSE]

Hi mmd

mmd  skrev: (23 augusti 2020 21:38:45 CEST)
>On 2020-08-23 18:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>> There is a lot of stuff that could be analyzed, immense. All the
>history is still available with all the user information...
>
>What's next? Do we want to invite "unreliable" mappers to an exciting
>two hours training course to improve their railway mapping skills? Upon
>successful completion of the final test, they can earn 5 extra mapping
>days that count towards their 42-day threshold for an OSMF active
>contributor membership.

LOL. I don't believe in punishment or restrictions based on past performance. I 
believe that people do the best they can as much as the time they can. OSMF 
have lowered the bar of entry to people with little money which is good. More 
engaged members in OSMF is a good sign. Of course this new policy could also 
backfire and lead to 42 days of crap edits for all our millions of users in the 
worst case, but I hope not.

>
>That's a pretty dystopian view on the OSM future, if you ask me...

I hope this reliability index will be used for good. I have no intention of 
using it to pick on others. But maybe someone we ill be curious about to he 
results. We could create a page that suggests what a particular user can do to 
get a higher score. E.g. take extra care to avoid integrity errors on your 
multipolygon edits. Read this page x, contact your local mapping community to 
find a mentor ask in a forum for help with reviewing an edit.

We already have a light version here: https://hdyc.neis-one.org/ where you can 
profile any user after login. 

I never used user statistics in conversations with others because they are 
judgements best used to evaluate a whole. 

I dislike judgements about humans. Ranking and competitions are not my 
favorites either, but I love learning with others. So when I write other 
contributors I only refer to facts about a concrete edit and ask what they 
tried to do. I have never seen anyone anywhere in OSM use data to try to 
control others which is a good sign.

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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Un document sur « Que faire des demandes de vérification sur les changeset ? »

[Jacques Lavignotte]

Le 23/08/2020 à 18:56, Jean-Claude Repetto a écrit :


Bonjour,


Bonjour JC,


Pourrais-tu rappeler l'adresse de ce flux RSS ?


Tout (Neiss) est là :

et c'est :

Find suspicious OSM Changesets

Tu devras tailler ta bbox.

Dans newsboat (ligne de commande chez linux)

ou FeedBro plugin Firefox.



Jean-Claude


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Re: [OSM-talk] Cannot find address ringvegen 45 Sørkjosen in nominatim

[pangoSE]

Hi Sarah

Sarah Hoffmann  skrev: (23 augusti 2020 22:20:35 CEST)
>Hi,
>
>On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 09:41:10PM +0200, Maarten Deen wrote:
>> Node 3117603944 was established in 2014 with tags
>> addr:citySørkjosen
>> addr:housenumber 45
>> addr:postcode9152
>> addr:street  Ringvegen
>> 
>> Yet, when I query nominatim for Ringvegen 45 Sørkjosen I get no
>results.
>> 
>> What is going wrong here? Sørkjosen itself is found [2] so the
>problem does
>> not seem to lie in the special character (I wouldn't have thought
>so). Also
>> found is the street which is named Ringveien [3] in OSM. No idea why
>the
>> street is called different than the address node, but does Nominatim
>not
>> index address nodes?
>
>Nominatim only indexes addresses of streets and then searches for
>address nodes based on the address of the street they are attached
>to.
>
>In that particular example, the housenumber got attached to Hovedvegen
>because Nominatim could not find a 'Ringvegen' and used the nearest
>street:
>https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ui/details.html?osmtype=N=3117603944
>
>So you get a slightly different address than expected.
>Fix the name of the street and everything sorts itself out.

 thanks for the explanation and link. Are these very useful get parameters 
documented somewhere? 

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Re: [OSM-talk] Cannot find address ringvegen 45 Sørkjosen in nominatim

[Simon Poole]

Nominatim tries to build correct address hierarchies from the data, in
particular it suspects a matching street (name) in the vicinity if an
addr:street tag is specified. While it will match a wide range on name
tags on streets (see
https://github.com/osm-search/Nominatim/blob/master/settings/import-address.style),
if none match it is not going to work.

Given that this is in Norway, I wouldn't be surprised if it is due to a
difference between //Bokmål and Nynorsk.

tl;dr version fix the street tagging and it will work .

Simon

Am 23.08.2020 um 21:41 schrieb Maarten Deen:
> Node 3117603944 was established in 2014 with tags
> addr:city Sørkjosen
> addr:housenumber 45
> addr:postcode 9152
> addr:street Ringvegen
>
> Yet, when I query nominatim for Ringvegen 45 Sørkjosen I get no results.
>
> What is going wrong here? Sørkjosen itself is found [2] so the problem
> does not seem to lie in the special character (I wouldn't have thought
> so). Also found is the street which is named Ringveien [3] in OSM. No
> idea why the street is called different than the address node, but
> does Nominatim not index address nodes?
>
> The reason why I was looking for this node is because it has a Tesla
> supercharger [4] on address 45 Ringvegen 9152 Sørkjosen.
>
> [1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3117603944
> [2] https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ui/search.html?q=S%C3%B8rkjosen
> [3]
> https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ui/search.html?q=S%C3%B8rkjosen+ringveien
> [4]
> https://www.tesla.com/nl_NL/findus/location/supercharger/sorkjosensupercharger
>
> Regards,
> Maarten
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Re: [Talk-it] tags per piazza

[Manuel]

"Area" è ridondante in quanto "place=square" ha già area come tag implicito.

Per quanto riguarda la highway non so. Sarebbe meglio indicare una strada 
effettiva che attraversa la piazza  se porta da qualche parte, in modo che i 
routing engine sappiano come comportarsi. Se invece non porta da nessuna parte, 
highway forse è ridondante.

⁣Manuel

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Il giorno 23 ago 2020, 22:35, alle ore 22:35, Massimo Rossi 
 ha scritto:
>ciao! Ho bisogno di un chiarimento. mi risulta, anche rileggendo la
>wiki,che per una piazza si usa il tag place e il tag name. Ora andando
>ad
>aggiungere il nome ad una piazza su cui non l'avevo messo,ho visto che
>mi
>ci hanno aggiunto anche il tag area e highway. Qual'è la giusta
>mappatura?
>grazie
>https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/410875602
>
>
>
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[Talk-it] tags per piazza

[Massimo Rossi]

ciao! Ho bisogno di un chiarimento. mi risulta, anche rileggendo la
wiki,che per una piazza si usa il tag place e il tag name. Ora andando ad
aggiungere il nome ad una piazza su cui non l'avevo messo,ho visto che mi
ci hanno aggiunto anche il tag area e highway. Qual'è la giusta mappatura?
grazie
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/410875602
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Re: [OSM-talk] Cannot find address ringvegen 45 Sørkjosen in nominatim

[Maarten Deen]

On 2020-08-23 22:20, Sarah Hoffmann wrote:


Fix the name of the street and everything sorts itself out.


Thanks, I'll sort out the street name with the Norwegian community.

Regards,
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Iscrizione accettata 

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> ...iscrizione accettata
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Re: [OSM-talk] Cannot find address ringvegen 45 Sørkjosen in nominatim

[Sarah Hoffmann]

Hi,

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 09:41:10PM +0200, Maarten Deen wrote:
> Node 3117603944 was established in 2014 with tags
> addr:city Sørkjosen
> addr:housenumber  45
> addr:postcode 9152
> addr:street   Ringvegen
> 
> Yet, when I query nominatim for Ringvegen 45 Sørkjosen I get no results.
> 
> What is going wrong here? Sørkjosen itself is found [2] so the problem does
> not seem to lie in the special character (I wouldn't have thought so). Also
> found is the street which is named Ringveien [3] in OSM. No idea why the
> street is called different than the address node, but does Nominatim not
> index address nodes?

Nominatim only indexes addresses of streets and then searches for
address nodes based on the address of the street they are attached
to.

In that particular example, the housenumber got attached to Hovedvegen
because Nominatim could not find a 'Ringvegen' and used the nearest
street:
https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ui/details.html?osmtype=N=3117603944

So you get a slightly different address than expected.
Fix the name of the street and everything sorts itself out.

Sarah

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Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

[pangoSE]

Hi Martin 

Martin Koppenhoefer  skrev: (23 augusti 2020 18:27:58 
CEST)
>
>
>sent from a phone
>
>> On 23. Aug 2020, at 13:55, pangoSE  wrote:
>> 
>> We could e.g. set a verification-needed
>> flag on objects edited in a changeset with "please review".
>
>
>while you can (already) add a fixme tag, I fear that creating a special
>feature for less reliable information could lead to people being
>encouraged to adding more “guess work” because they “set the unreliable
>flag so what’s the problem?“

Yeah, that's a good point. We are social animals. 

>
>I just had an idea: You could calculate a reliability index for each
>and every object in OpenStreetMap (and maybe for each of their tags, by
>looking at the mapping experience of the person that added it. 

Beautiful idea! I'm gonna try that with a small country. Working on a small 
excerpt of the planet could be problematic because the whole user history will 
not be available. Hmm that means big data is the only viable way forward.

>In a
>more complex iteration, it could also take the reliability of specific
>mappers into account by analyzing whether things they add or modify are
>kept or changed by following mappers (and it would probably have to
>take time into account, because if something is changed after a long
>time it is more probable that it was because of a change in the real
>life and not because of bad representation, and maybe also the kind of
>change). 

I love this idea too. This is what I have done in my head editing in Sweden for 
multiple years. I have a very short list of editors that frequently map in a 
way I don't like or make errors e.g. things showing up in keep right and they 
were the last editor. Usual suspects . I always try communicating with the 
them and most respond and we find a way forward, but some never react to 
changeset comments and just keep on what they are doing.

Not reacting to changesets comments is another red flag.

>It could also be done according to the field of thing (e.g.
>this mapper does reliable work with buildings or this mapper is an
>expert for outdoor routes but does poor work in cities, or is an expert
>for railways, etc. etc.)

Yes this is a good observation. OSM is hard. It takes time to learn all the 
long ropes.

>
>There is a lot of stuff that could be analyzed, immense. All the
>history is still available with all the user information...

I get your point. 

You could also flag changesets with huge BBOXes and filter away those done by 
experienced mappers and those concerning one big relation.

Using to this search https://duckduckgo.com/?q=osm+history+analysis I just 
found 
https://heigit.org/big-spatial-data-analytics-en/ohsome/ which seem very 
promising 

I will contact them and see if I can use and contribute to their platform to 
get the information I want.

A good algorithm for finding and rating experienced mappers is crucial. If 
anyone already has made one or ideas for improvements please share 

Feel free to add to this wikipage 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Algorithms_for_QA

I just signed up for Fuga cloud and I'm  gonna start playing with the history 
data in python and postgresql to crunch the numbers for a small country if 
ohsome turns out not to be suitable.

Thanks for sharing your ideas 

Cheers
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[OSM-talk] Cannot find address ringvegen 45 Sørkjosen in nominatim

[Maarten Deen]

Node 3117603944 was established in 2014 with tags
addr:city   Sørkjosen
addr:housenumber45
addr:postcode   9152
addr:street Ringvegen

Yet, when I query nominatim for Ringvegen 45 Sørkjosen I get no results.

What is going wrong here? Sørkjosen itself is found [2] so the problem 
does not seem to lie in the special character (I wouldn't have thought 
so). Also found is the street which is named Ringveien [3] in OSM. No 
idea why the street is called different than the address node, but does 
Nominatim not index address nodes?


The reason why I was looking for this node is because it has a Tesla 
supercharger [4] on address 45 Ringvegen 9152 Sørkjosen.


[1] https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/3117603944
[2] https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ui/search.html?q=S%C3%B8rkjosen
[3] 
https://nominatim.openstreetmap.org/ui/search.html?q=S%C3%B8rkjosen+ringveien
[4] 
https://www.tesla.com/nl_NL/findus/location/supercharger/sorkjosensupercharger


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Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

[mmd]

On 2020-08-23 18:27, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> There is a lot of stuff that could be analyzed, immense. All the history is 
> still available with all the user information...

What's next? Do we want to invite "unreliable" mappers to an exciting
two hours training course to improve their railway mapping skills? Upon
successful completion of the final test, they can earn 5 extra mapping
days that count towards their 42-day threshold for an OSMF active
contributor membership.

That's a pretty dystopian view on the OSM future, if you ask me...

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Re: [Talk-at] GIS Stmk als JOSM Hintergrundbild

[Robert Grübler]

Am Sonntag, 23. August 2020 16:35 schrieb Horst Willingshofer:

> Kann mir irgendwer helfen wie ich die aktuellsten Orthofotos 
> aus dem GIS-Stmk als Hintergrundbild in JOSM verwenden kann?

solltest du schon haben - GIS Steiermark verwendet die Orthofotos von basemap.at

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Il 23/08/20 20:00, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto:
> non si tratta di una offerta ogni tantum, è continuo, puoi chiedere in 
> qualsiasi momento. È fatto per avere più mappatori nella fondazione, dove ora 
> ci sono più professionisti, e anche più persone da regioni poveri dove 15 
> euro potrebbero rendere inaccessibile l’ingresso 

Capito.

Credo quest'anno di recuperare e provare più avanti anche se salterò
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Re: [talk-cz] Mapa nebo infotabule?

[majka]

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 19:45, Miroslav Suchý  wrote:

> tourism=information
> information=map
> map_type=topo
> map_size=region
>
> S information=board bych to nekombinoval. Převládající prvek je mapa.
> Vypadá to jako mapa. Otagoval bych to jako mapu.
>
> Jo, takhle to dávám taky :)
Asi půjdu opravovat. Je toho po okolí hodně podle stejného vzoru, ale
relativně dost je značené jako information=board...

Ještě z jiného soudku: co takové ty obecní vývěsky, resp. jen prázdné
nástěnky? tourism=information mi na to zrovna nesedí, nejsou určené
turistům ale místním. Taky to na mě vyběhlo "k vyfocení". Na wiki na
anglické stránce je zmíněná alternativa amenity=notice_board (s necelými
300 výskyty), na diskusi je zase návrh dávat to jen jako information=board,
bez tourism=information. Nějaký nápad, co s tím?

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[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 23. Aug 2020, at 19:23, liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu 
>  wrote:
> 
> Grazie Martin, ma non voglio farne una malattia, capisco è importante,
> ma tutto va di conseguenza col proprio tempo, per cui se il prossimo
> anno rifaranno "l'offerta", ben venga, anche se mi pare più utile pagare
> per essere socio, in fondo la cifra è anche sopportabile, se uno vuole
> veramente farci parte, qua mi sa la corsa al "gratis" anche se capisco
> l'intento nel quale non posso dire di non averci provato.


non si tratta di una offerta ogni tantum, è continuo, puoi chiedere in 
qualsiasi momento. È fatto per avere più mappatori nella fondazione, dove ora 
ci sono più professionisti, e anche più persone da regioni poveri dove 15 euro 
potrebbero rendere inaccessibile l’ingresso 


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Re: [talk-cz] Začátek obce

[Miroslav Suchý]

Dne 23. 08. 20 v 14:14 majkaz napsal(a):
Myslíš pokud už v mapě není zadaná? Tohle je nesmysl, značka 
"začátek/konec obce" obvykle nesedí s hranicí katastru obce. Pravda, 
hodně obcí ji na tu hranici někam "do polí" posouvá. Přitom správně má 
být až u prvních baráků.


Generovat do mapy je rozhodně blbost. Tohle má být maximálně součástí 
heuristiky navigace. A tam...


...hranice obce ne. Ale hranice residential area už zní lépe. Zejména s 
ohledem na nedávný judikát [1], že i když chybí značka hranice obce, tak 
řidič sám má podle zástavby poznat zda platí limit v obci nebo mimo obec.


[1] http://pravo4u.cz/judikatura/nejvyssi-spravni-soud/1-as-183-2012/

M.

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Re: [talk-cz] Mapa nebo infotabule?

[Martin Ždila]

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 7:45 PM Miroslav Suchý  wrote:

> Dne 23. 08. 20 v 19:25 majka napsal(a):
> > Jak správně označovat místní mapy, na kterých jsou uvedené i informace
> > o obci?
> > Příklad: https://osm.fit.vutbr.cz/fody/files/28075.jpg
> >
> > Dnešní "úlovek" je v datech cca půl na půl, tedy část jako mapa, část
> > jako infotabule. Máme k tomu nějaké doporučení?
> >
> tourism=information
> information=map
> map_type=topo
> map_size=region
>
> S information=board bych to nekombinoval. Převládající prvek je mapa.
> Vypadá to jako mapa. Otagoval bych to jako mapu.
>

tiež také tagujem ako mapu

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richiesta accettata...



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Re: [talk-cz] Mapa nebo infotabule?

[Miroslav Suchý]

Dne 23. 08. 20 v 19:25 majka napsal(a):
Jak správně označovat místní mapy, na kterých jsou uvedené i informace 
o obci?

Příklad: https://osm.fit.vutbr.cz/fody/files/28075.jpg

Dnešní "úlovek" je v datech cca půl na půl, tedy část jako mapa, část 
jako infotabule. Máme k tomu nějaké doporučení?



tourism=information
information=map
map_type=topo
map_size=region

S information=board bych to nekombinoval. Převládající prvek je mapa. 
Vypadá to jako mapa. Otagoval bych to jako mapu.



M.


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Re: [Talk-it] Altra violazione dì copyright

[Matteo Fortini]

Ripropongo anche di fare una cosa così :
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Chi_usa_OpenStreetMap%3F

Purtoppo non ho potuto mai andare oltre perché avrei voluto caricare gli
screenshot di chi è bravo e di chi non lo è, ma non mi permette di caricare
media sul wiki, non so se sia una limitazione del mio account

Il dom 23 ago 2020, 18:24 Alessandro Sarretta 
ha scritto:

> Grazie,
>
> intanto ho mandato l'e-mail qui sotto alla redazione, vediamo se
> correggono e rispondo.
>
> Ale
>
>
>
>  Forwarded Message 
> Subject: Violazione di copyright/mancata attribuzione a mappa
> OpenStreetMap
> Date: Sun, 23 Aug 2020 18:20:51 +0200
> From: Alessandro Sarretta 
> 
> Organization: Wikimedia Italia
> To: redazione...@gazzettino.it
>
> Gentile redazione de Il Gazzettino,
>
> vi scrivo, nel ruolo di Coordinatore Nazionale di OpenStreetMap per
> l'associazione Wikimedia Italia (https://www.wikimedia.it/), a proposito
> dell'articolo pubblicato ieri sul terremoto nelle Marche:
> https://www.ilgazzettino.it/italia/cronaca_nera/terremoto_acquasanta_terme_scosse_magnitudo_oggi_22_agosto_2020_ascoli_piceno_sciame_sismico-5418370.html
>
> L'immagine utilizzata nell'articolo è chiaramente un ritaglio della mappa
> pubblicata da INGV (http://terremoti.ingv.it/event/25115191) ed è
> prodotta usando dati da @OpenStreetMap (https://www.openstreetmap.org).
>
> La pagina https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright spiega le policy di
> OpenStreetMap relative a Copyright e Licenza; in particolare richiede che
> appaia l'attribuzione “© OpenStreetMap contributors” con un link alla
> suddetta pagina di copyright.
>
> La mappa nella pagina di INGV infatti rispetta pienamente tali indicazioni.
>
> Vi chiediamo quindi di correggere il contenuto del vostro articolo o
> includendo l'immagine non ritagliata (che contiene anche l'attribuzione a
> OpenStreetMap) oppure aggiungendo in una didascalia tale attribuzione.
>
> Vi ringraziamo per l'attenzione e attendiamo un vostro riscontro.
>
> Cordiali saluti,
>
> Alessandro Sarretta
>
>
> On 23/08/20 12:15, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
>
> sent from a phone
>
>
> On 23. Aug 2020, at 11:15, Edoardo Yossef Marascalchi 
>   wrote:
>
> è una battaglia persa...
>
> è solo persa perché non abbiamo mai intrapreso azioni veri per combatterlo...
>
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[talk-cz] Mapa nebo infotabule?

[majka]

Jak správně označovat místní mapy, na kterých jsou uvedené i informace o
obci?
Příklad: https://osm.fit.vutbr.cz/fody/files/28075.jpg

Dnešní "úlovek" je v datech cca půl na půl, tedy část jako mapa, část jako
infotabule. Máme k tomu nějaké doporučení?

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[liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu]

Il 23/08/20 19:11, Martin Koppenhoefer ha scritto:
> se ci tieni dovrebbe essere fattibile mappare delle piccole cose nei prossimi 
> giorni fino al raggiungimento dei 42 giorni...
> 
> 
> Ciao Martin 


Grazie Martin, ma non voglio farne una malattia, capisco è importante,
ma tutto va di conseguenza col proprio tempo, per cui se il prossimo
anno rifaranno "l'offerta", ben venga, anche se mi pare più utile pagare
per essere socio, in fondo la cifra è anche sopportabile, se uno vuole
veramente farci parte, qua mi sa la corsa al "gratis" anche se capisco
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sent from a phone

> On 23. Aug 2020, at 18:58, liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu 
>  wrote:
> 
> Io no, si tiene conto della mappatura dell'anno scorso, alla prossima. :)


se ci tieni dovrebbe essere fattibile mappare delle piccole cose nei prossimi 
giorni fino al raggiungimento dei 42 giorni...


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[Talk-it] weeklyOSM #526 2020-08-11-2020-08-16

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Il settimanale di notizie su OSM, numero # 526, è ora disponibile online in 
italiano, 
fornendo come sempre un riassunto di molte cose che accadono nel mondo 
OpenStreetMap: 

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/it/archives/13572/

Buona lettura! 

Sai che possono anche inviare messaggi per il weeklyOSM? Basta effettuare il 
login 
su https://osmbc.openstreetmap.de/login con il tuo account OSM. 

Per saperne di più su come scrivere un messaggio, leggi qui: 
http://www.weeklyosm.eu/this-news-should-be-in-weeklyosm 
weeklyOSM? 

chi: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WeeklyOSM#Available_Languages 
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[OSM-talk-fr] hebdoOSM Nº 526 2020-08-11-2020-08-16

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Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 526 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
*en français*. Un condensé à retrouver sur :

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/13572/

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[Talk-ca] hebdoOSM Nº 526 2020-08-11-2020-08-16

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Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 526 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
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https://www.weeklyosm.eu/fr/archives/13572/

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Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 526 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
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[Talk-africa] hebdoOSM Nº 526 2020-08-11-2020-08-16

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Bonjour,

Le résumé hebdomadaire n° 526 de l'actualité OpenStreetMap vient de paraître 
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[Talk-cu] semanarioOSM Nº 526 2020-08-11-2020-08-16

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Hola, el semanario Nº 526, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
mundo de openstreetmap está en línea en *español*:

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/es/archives/13572/

¡Disfruta!

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[Talk-pt] semanárioOSM Nº 526 2020-08-11-2020-08-16

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Bom dia,

O semanárioOSM Nº 526, o resumo de tudo o que acontece no mundo OpenStreetMap, 
está publicado *em português* : 

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/pb/archives/13572/

Aproveite!

Você sabia que também pode enviar mensagens para o OSM semanal/semanárioOSMſ 
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sua conta OSM e usar a conta de convidado. Leia mais sobre como escrever um 
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[Talk-es] semanarioOSM Nº 526 2020-08-11-2020-08-16

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Hola, el semanario Nº 526, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
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[Talk-br] semanárioOSM Nº 526 2020-08-11-2020-08-16

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Bom dia,

O semanárioOSM Nº 526, o resumo de tudo o que acontece no mundo OpenStreetMap, 
está publicado *em português* : 

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[OSM-co] semanarioOSM Nº 526 2020-08-11-2020-08-16

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Hola, el semanario Nº 526, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
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[Talk-cl] semanarioOSM Nº 526 2020-08-11-2020-08-16

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Hola, el semanario Nº 526, el sumario de todo lo que está ocurriendo en el 
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[Talk-GB] weeklyOSM #526 2020-08-11-2020-08-16

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[Talk-ca] weeklyOSM #526 2020-08-11-2020-08-16

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[Talk-bo] semanarioOSM Nº 526 2020-08-11-2020-08-16

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[Talk-us] weeklyOSM #526 2020-08-11-2020-08-16

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[talk-ph] weeklyOSM #526 2020-08-11-2020-08-16

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[OSM-talk-ie] weeklyOSM #526 2020-08-11-2020-08-16

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[Talk-in] weeklyOSM #526 2020-08-11-2020-08-16

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[Talk-africa] weeklyOSM #526 2020-08-11-2020-08-16

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[OSM-talk] weeklyOSM #526 2020-08-11-2020-08-16

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[Talk-de] weeklyOSM #526 2020-08-11-2020-08-16

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Die Wochennotiz Ausgabe Nr. # 526, ist nun verfügbar - 
wie immer mit vielen Nachrichten aus dem OSM-Universium:

https://www.weeklyosm.eu/de/archives/13572/

Viel Spaß beim Lesen.  

Euer Wochennotizteam

Wusstet ihr, dass ihr auch selbst Meldungen für die Wochennotiz
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Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

[Shawn K. Quinn]

On 8/22/20 03:12, pangoSE wrote:
> Maybe we should have some kind of system flagging objects that has not
> been edited for x number of years and rate all objects in the database
> according to this?

Even if something is edited, not everything on the object will
necessarily have been verified at the time of that edit. Especially with
armchair mappers fixing errors found by QA tools like Keep Right or
doing single-purpose cleanups on
opening_hours/service_times/collection_times tags, etc.

> This would mean that a data consumer can decide based on the score if
> they want to include the information or not.
> 
> E.g. a high quality map should perhaps not contain objects with a
> revision older than 3 years (and no references or sources)

Some things just don't change over a period of three years. Had it been
added when I started mapping (2012-ish), the house I'm in now (actually,
most houses in this neighborhood) would have had no reason to be edited
over that time.

> Or even better: we could implement a verification system with a log that
> can be queried easily.
> 
> IMPLEMENTATION SUGGESTION:
> 
> GET Openstreetmap.org/api/verifications/
> Lists latest added verifications (outputs 10 entries,  can be
> used to get more,  can be used to output up to 300 entries)
> 
> GET Openstreetmap.org/api/verifications/1234
> Outputs verifications for osmid 1234 with the newest first (outputs 10
> entries,  can be used to get more,  can be used to output up
> to 300 entries)
> 
> POST Openstreetmap.org/api/verifications/1234
> Add a new verification for osmid 1234
> 
> On openstreetmap.org we have a new button for every object "Verify this
> object exists and is correct" which stores the date and userid in the
> database.
> 
> In JOSM we could add the possibility to download verification data for
> all selected objects or from a new option in the download dialog.
> 
> The latest verification date and count of verifications could be made
> available in a separate dump.
> 
> If we had such a system I believe the map data quality could increase
> considerably by making it dead simple to hide hide old unverified data
> from e.g. openstreetmap.org. A high-quality map we can be proud of could
> also give an impetus to local mappers to revisit trails and verify them.
> 
> WDYT?

How big will this database need to be? Who's going to store it and
maintain it?

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Re: [Talk-it] se siete mappatori attivi potete diventare membri della OpenStreetMap-Foundation a gratis

[liste DOT girarsi AT posteo DOT eu]

Il 23/08/20 18:10, scratera ha scritto:
> ...ufficialmete iscritto ora
> 
> 
> 

Io no, si tiene conto della mappatura dell'anno scorso, alla prossima. :)


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Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Un document sur « Que faire des demandes de vérification sur les changeset ? »

[Jean-Claude Repetto]

Le 10/04/2020 à 11:57, Jacques Lavignotte a écrit :

Bonjour,

J'ai commencé à regarder via RSS  les changeset sur lesquels les 
contributeurs ont demandé vérification.


Je sais que c'est un sujet évoqué de temps à autres.

Y'a t-il une politique admise sur ce qu'on fait  ? Un document ?

merci, Jacques



Bonjour,

Pourrais-tu rappeler l'adresse de ce flux RSS ?

Merci d'avance,
Jean-Claude


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Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

[stevea]

On Aug 22, 2020, at 11:38 PM, pangoSE  wrote:
> Shawn K. Quinn"  skrev: (23 augusti 2020 00:31:28 CEST)
>> 
>> The big, huge difference between Wikipedia and OSM is that Wikipedia
>> does not allow original research at all, whereas OSM thrives on the
>> original research of everyone who contributes and in fact it is the
>> stuff that comes from third parties that has to be vetted more closely
>> for license compliance and copyright issues.

Very well stated by Shawn.

>> I agree we could do better in the quality control department but a lot
>> of things added to OSM will be added there first before any third
>> parties pick them up. That makes references a bit problematic, IMO.

Not very well stated by Shawn, as it doesn't specify a problem.  Problematic, 
yes, but ambiguously so.  What problem?

> All edits in OSM must be verifyable on the ground if I understood this 
> correctly: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Verifiability

Verify-ABLE isn't the same as MUST-verify.  The former has a relatively low 
bar, the latter, a high one.

> Problem is to really make this easy to review without visiting the same spot 
> we would in many cases need a good photo or perhaps multiple photos from 
> different angles.

That's one solution, but not the only solution.  What problem are you trying to 
solve?

> Unfortunately we neither encourage nor support image uploading anywhere 
> hosted by ourselves or others (we could probably easily integrate mapillary 
> uploading in the website and in our mobile tools. I take photos with 
> osmtracker sometimes but cannot upload them to mapillary from inside JOSM). 
> I'm not saying it should be a demand, but I think we would gain a lot in many 
> changeset discussions if adding images to the chat and changesets is made 
> possible or if images in mapillary in the area were visible and referencable 
> on the changeset discussion page.

Whenever I hear somebody say about OSM "it can't" I immediately think "well, it 
could."  It might be a lot of work and can often happen outside and around OSM 
(with a wrapper, with an API, with a layer of spaghetti-to-spaghetti 
translation...), precluding the necessity that a wholesale tagging change take 
place within OSM (as it appears this proto-proposal would, but remains too 
vague for me to be sure).

> Alternatively we could cook our own image storage service if we want. We got 
> the money for it now and commercial persistent object storage solutions are 
> available from multiple providers releasing the burdon of infrastructure 
> maintenance on our operations working group. WDYT?

With all these bubbling ingredients, I'm still unclear what it is you are 
trying to brew.  Will you cook first and taste along the way?  Will you develop 
the recipe first before cooking anything?  Will it be a cake, a beverage, a 
repository, a translator, a fast storage exchange mechanism, a portal between 
other naming / semantic identity hives, what, exactly?  Spec it out!

> This and my proposal to mark features as verified at this point in time could 
> potentially make it much easier to judge the overall quality of our data and 
> map.

Now it sounds like we get closer to what you (or you and others might be aiming 
to do):  judge the work / data of others.  Judges are made, not born.  I feel 
OK judging certain software and data, this is after decades of software 
development and quality assurance engineering at Silicon Valley giants and 
startups alike.  May I ask pangoSE to offer qualifications and / or a portfolio 
of work by which we might elevate him / her to such an important position?

> We would still be lacking a REAL granular referencing system where every 
> statement (tag) is references individually with a date, author and optionally 
> a photo. That would be really awesome, but it would require additions to the 
> main database model and ruby website to support (this is perhaps a perfect 
> GSoC project). Being able to browse to a specific tag on an object and 
> discuss that would be a crucial addition to the website because now we are 
> forced to comment on the changeset (or sending pms) and I think its really 
> cumbersome to manually reference which one of the sometimes hundreds of 
> objects I'm talking about.

Please stop cheerleading this unclear concept, instead, spec it out.  This list 
and the wider OSM community will read that and see if it might have merit.  
Such things in OSM merit their way in, they don't force or crowd their way in 
by a single, vocal individual.  Unless and until they are well-presented.  So, 
make a presentation rather than a list of complaints with a wish list.

> Andy Allen (he runs  http://www.thunderforest.com/ which has a nice vector 
> map service by the way on a free limited tier) a former member of the 
> operations working group and current co-maintainer of the rails website 
> posted this a year ago: 
> https://gravitystorm.github.io/osmf-infra-plans/ and this july the OSMF and 
> the 

Re: [Talk-cr] Etiqueta para pagos vía SINPE móvil

[Rodolfo Quesada Zumbado]

Vienen muchos ejemplos de pagos propios de varios países y ciudades en ese 
wiki, entonces creo que se puede agregar ese subkey de sinpe_movil ahí (en esa 
tabla de "Payment by phone" u "Others") y al wiki de Costa Rica sin problema. 

On Thu, Aug 20, 2020, at 20:18, Jaime Gutiérrez Alfaro wrote:
> Hola, espero que estén muy bien. 
> 
> Quiero añadir al mapa un negocio que acepta pagos vía SINPE móvil. Me parece 
> que la etiqueta para esto sería "payment" 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:payment. En esta página de la wiki se 
> puede ver muchas formas de usar la llave. Creo que deberíamos establecer un 
> consenso. 
> 
> En OSM encontré un elemento al que se le añadió la etiqueta 
> "payment:SINPE_Movil=yes", (https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=sinpe).
> 
> Yo estoy de acuerdo con el uso de esa llave y valor pero con llave en 
> minúscula, "payment:sinpe_movil=yes".
> 
> ¿Qué opinan?
> 
> Pura vida,
> Jaime.
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Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 23. Aug 2020, at 13:55, pangoSE  wrote:
> 
> We could e.g. set a verification-needed
> flag on objects edited in a changeset with "please review".


while you can (already) add a fixme tag, I fear that creating a special feature 
for less reliable information could lead to people being encouraged to adding 
more “guess work” because they “set the unreliable flag so what’s the problem?“

I just had an idea: You could calculate a reliability index for each and every 
object in OpenStreetMap (and maybe for each of their tags, by looking at the 
mapping experience of the person that added it. In a more complex iteration, it 
could also take the reliability of specific mappers into account by analyzing 
whether things they add or modify are kept or changed by following mappers (and 
it would probably have to take time into account, because if something is 
changed after a long time it is more probable that it was because of a change 
in the real life and not because of bad representation, and maybe also the kind 
of change). It could also be done according to the field of thing (e.g. this 
mapper does reliable work with buildings or this mapper is an expert for 
outdoor routes but does poor work in cities, or is an expert for railways, etc. 
etc.)

There is a lot of stuff that could be analyzed, immense. All the history is 
still available with all the user information...


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[Talk-pe] Centros de salud para descarte de COVID-19 en Lima y Callao

[Omar Vega Ramos]

Hola a todos

Les comparto un enlace ya compartido por redes sociales previamente, el
cual consiste en un mapa con puntos de centros de salud en Lima y Callao
donde se pueden hacer pruebas de descarte de COVID-19.
https://mapas.nomadas.org.pe/es/map/puntos-covid-lima-metropolitana-y-callao_1

Además aprovecho este mensaje para agradecer a los usuarios de nuestra
comunidad que ayudan a mejorar los datos de OpenStreetMap y también
espero que todos se encuentren bien de salud.

Saludos
-- 
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Re: [Talk-it] Altra violazione dì copyright

[Alessandro Sarretta]

Grazie,

intanto ho mandato l'e-mail qui sotto alla redazione, vediamo se 
correggono e rispondo.


Ale



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Date:   Sun, 23 Aug 2020 18:20:51 +0200
From:   Alessandro Sarretta 
Organization:   Wikimedia Italia
To: redazione...@gazzettino.it



Gentile redazione de Il Gazzettino,

vi scrivo, nel ruolo di Coordinatore Nazionale di OpenStreetMap per 
l'associazione Wikimedia Italia (https://www.wikimedia.it/), a proposito 
dell'articolo pubblicato ieri sul terremoto nelle Marche: 
https://www.ilgazzettino.it/italia/cronaca_nera/terremoto_acquasanta_terme_scosse_magnitudo_oggi_22_agosto_2020_ascoli_piceno_sciame_sismico-5418370.html


L'immagine utilizzata nell'articolo è chiaramente un ritaglio della 
mappa pubblicata da INGV (http://terremoti.ingv.it/event/25115191) ed è  
prodotta usando dati da @OpenStreetMap (https://www.openstreetmap.org).


La pagina https://www.openstreetmap.org/copyright spiega le policy di 
OpenStreetMap relative a Copyright e Licenza; in particolare richiede 
che appaia l'attribuzione “© OpenStreetMap contributors” con un link 
alla suddetta pagina di copyright.


La mappa nella pagina di INGV infatti rispetta pienamente tali indicazioni.

Vi chiediamo quindi di correggere il contenuto del vostro articolo o 
includendo l'immagine non ritagliata (che contiene anche l'attribuzione 
a OpenStreetMap) oppure aggiungendo in una didascalia tale attribuzione.


Vi ringraziamo per l'attenzione e attendiamo un vostro riscontro.

Cordiali saluti,

Alessandro Sarretta


On 23/08/20 12:15, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:

sent from a phone


On 23. Aug 2020, at 11:15, Edoardo Yossef Marascalchi  
wrote:

è una battaglia persa...

è solo persa perché non abbiamo mai intrapreso azioni veri per combatterlo...

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Re: [talk-cz] Začátek obce

[mahdi1234]

Na tohle tema sem mel delsi debatu s vyvojarema Magic Earth pred
rokem/dvema (rozlisit urban/rural oblast a zohlednit limit dane zeme,
pokud neni limit zmapovanej), napad se jim libil, ale po nake analyze to
vzdali, jako moc slozity.

mahdi

majkaz wrote on 8/23/20 12:14 PM:
>
> Myslíš pokud už v mapě není zadaná? Tohle je nesmysl, značka
> "začátek/konec obce" obvykle nesedí s hranicí katastru obce. Pravda,
> hodně obcí ji na tu hranici někam "do polí" posouvá. Přitom správně má
> být až u prvních baráků.
>
>  
>
> Ideálně by tohle měly dělat navigace samy, pokud nemají jinou
> informaci o rychlosti. Že to není legrace, to chápu.
>
>  
>
> Majka
>
> __
> > Od: "Marek Polák" 
> > Komu: "talk-cz@openstreetmap.org" 
> > Datum: 23.08.2020 13:49
> > Předmět: [talk-cz] Začátek obce
> >
>
> Šlo by nějak automaticky vygenerovat a naimportovat začátky měst, aby
> se v mapách objevila značka začátek obce. Pak by bylo jednodušší
> nastavit rychlostní limity.
>
>  
>
> Marek Polák
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Re: [Talk-it] se siete mappatori attivi potete diventare membri della OpenStreetMap-Foundation a gratis

[scratera]

...ufficialmete iscritto ora



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Re: [OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to easily track their OSM-objects over time

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 23. Aug 2020, at 13:40, pangoSE  wrote:
> 
> The permid then no longer represents a shop but the
> location of a space where a shop could and now does exist. Someone
> making a service cataloguing all shopspaces for hire in a city could
> then link to this shopspace FWIW.


it really depends what you believe the permID represents, i.e. your usecase. 
Someone might be interested in the builtup space of the shop, another one on 
the business operated by this operator and yet another one in businesses 
selling men‘s wear or selling clothing of selling products in general. 
According to this interest, the permanent ID would either have to be kept, or 
marked as „closed“ or „sold“ and a new one created, etc. Neither the API nor 
the mapper who maps the update can know what action they should perform wrt the 
permanent ID because it is only clear within the context of those who use the 
ID, not within the map data itself.

There is a concept for permanent IDs with overpass API, are you aware of it?

I believe this is nothing that the main API must provide, it can be a third 
party offering.

Generally, all the OpenStreetMap history is recorded and available, so you can 
already track those events which are interesting to you.

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Re: [Talk-it] Changeset con molte cancellazioni in zona Ferrara

[Alessandro Sarretta]

Grazie,

ho commentato qui https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/89785503 dove 
aveva già commentato anche Andy.


Ale

On 23/08/20 12:28, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:


sent from a phone


On 23. Aug 2020, at 11:54, Federico Cortese  wrote:

Anche io premetto che non sono della zona, ma oltre a quanto da te
evidenziato ho notato che c'era comunque un problema di poligoni
farmland sovrapposti, cioè grandi multipoligoni (tipo questo
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3688105) che pare provengano da
un import corine landcover, sovrapposti a poligoni semplici più
piccoli e più dettagliati (tipo questo:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/274929586/history). A quanto pare
Gerd Waldmann per risolvere la cosa ha scelto la strada più veloce, ma
più sbagliata secondo me: ha cioè cancellato i poligoni dettagliati,
lasciando solo il grande multipoligono


concordo che questo è la soluzione meno preferibile, perché i multipoligoni non 
servono per mappare i farmland (al meno che non ci sia qualcosa al loro 
interno, come un scrub, wetland o simile, e in questo caso sarebbero comunque 
piccoli). Ci sono solo svantaggi quando si creano poligoni complessi e grandi 
dove tanti poligoni piccoli possono rappresentare la stessa informazione (e 
spesso anche più informazioni e più dettaglio).
Cercherei di fare il contrario, scogliere i MP approssimativi a favore di 
poligoni semplici e piccoli. Più semplice che si riesce a mappare, più facile 
diventa la manutenzione e l’inserimento di ulteriore dettaglio.

Coinvolgiamo anche l’utente che lo ha fatto per prevenire per il futuro...


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[Talk-hr] Import zgrada u Zagrebu

[Janko Mihelić]

Pozdrav kartografi!

Malo sam se bavio sa importom zgrada koje smo dobili od zagrebačke
infrastrukture prostornih podataka (zipp). Doveo sam podatke vjerskih
građevina u stanje pred sami import koji ćemo obaviti ručno. To je najmanji
set podataka pa sam na njemu vježbao. Zgradu po zgradu ćemo uzeti
geometriju iz danih podataka, i spojiti ju sa dosadašnjim vektorima u
OSM-u. Sačuvat ćemo tagove i povijest vektora u OSM-u.

Malo detaljnije o proceduri na wiki stranici otvorenoj za Import:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Zagreb/Import_ZIPP_Buildings

Krajnja osm datoteka, zasad od vjerskih građevina, koja će se uvoziti:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/n05f0ikjxz8i9en/buildings-ot5-vjerski_objekti.osm?dl=0

Javite ako imate primjedbe ili komentare.

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[Talk-at] GIS Stmk als JOSM Hintergrundbild

[Horst Willingshofer via Talk-at]

Ich bin nicht sehr erfahren mit JOSM, bitte entschuldigt wenn meine
Frage für manche eher laienhaft erscheint.

Ich hätte gerne die steirischen Orthofotos als Hintergrund in JOSM.
Bei den verfügbaren Standardeinträgen in den Einstellungen sind Einträge
z.B. für das GIS Tirol und Vorarlberg zu finden.
Für die Steiermark finde ich nichts.

Auf http://www.geoimage.at/geodatendienste.html steht u.a. "Für OSM
(JOSM) Benutzer besteht ein gesonderter Zugang, bitte erkundigen Sie
sich in den entsprechenden OSM Foren."

Kann mir irgendwer helfen wie ich die aktuellsten Orthofotos aus dem
GIS-Stmk als Hintergrundbild in JOSM verwenden kann?

LG
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Re: [Talk-GB] man_made=survey_point

[Jass Kurn]

Gregrs has provided converted data for trig points, with the data obtained
from a FOI request. They created a page to explain the process, and made
available the converted data as a gpx file
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Ordnance_Survey_triangulation_stations .

Jass

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 15:13, Nick  wrote:

> My thinking was that most people surveying would not use accurate and
> precise systems such as differential GPS and/or RTK. So if these systems
> were used to accurately and precisely locate distinct local markers (i.e.
> trig points, benchmarks etc.) then local surveys could potentially use
> these to refine/check their own surveys. This approach would still be based
> on community input but could be used as an approach to education (e.g.
> local schools involved) as to how surveying works in practice.
> On 23/08/2020 12:27, SK53 wrote:
>
> This approach has been advocated in other European countries, and the
> Spanish community imported all the points of the national geodesic network
> (e.g., for Extremadura
> ).
> They more or less violate the idea of OSM as something which is community
> contributed (IIRC each point has "DO NOT MOVE") and often interfere with
> objects which do need mapping (churches are a particular point). It's not
> clear that this import has assisted improved accuracy of mapping in Spain.
>
> Many trig pillars are now way out of alignment and mainly of interest as
> an artefact. Even benchmarks might not have much relevance as OS surveying
> mainly uses differential GPS with reference to their own base network (OS
> Net
> ).
> (From the OS website "Ordnance Survey (OS) benchmarks and their heights
> haven't been regularly maintained for over 40 years.").
>
> OS Net is effectively proprietary, there are a limited number of open base
> stations for differential GPS in the UK. I do believe differential GPS
> (RTK) has a role to play in OSM surveying, although for specific purposes
> rather than generic improvement of feature alignment.
>
> Regards,
>
> Jerry
>
> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 10:05, Nick  wrote:
>
>> I have been looking at what is recorded under this tag in my area. I see
>> that there aren't that many and those that are on OSM refer to trig
>> points (see also http://trigpointing.uk/). My thinking is that if these
>> are accurate and precisely marked on OSM then perhaps they could be used
>> for resolving issue such as aerial imagery offsets.
>>
>> I therefore wondered if it was worth using other data under this tag -
>> specifically benchmarks (https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/benchmarks/)
>> as there are huge numbers in the UK. If these were marked on OSM and
>> their accuracy and precision verified (OS open data is to the nearest
>> 10m square and transforming that adds errors), they could be helpful in
>> local surveys where they are less than accurate but also for ensuring
>> that moving all nodes in an area is valid (not just to match aerial
>> imagery). A possible linked organisation with data is
>> https://www.bench-marks.org.uk/
>>
>> Incidentally, the benchmarks can be helpful if you need to align
>> historical maps which have benchmarks shown.
>>
>> Any thoughts?
>>
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Re: [Talk-GB] man_made=survey_point

[Nick]

My thinking was that most people surveying would not use accurate and 
precise systems such as differential GPS and/or RTK. So if these systems 
were used to accurately and precisely locate distinct local markers 
(i.e. trig points, benchmarks etc.) then local surveys could potentially 
use these to refine/check their own surveys. This approach would still 
be based on community input but could be used as an approach to 
education (e.g. local schools involved) as to how surveying works in 
practice.


On 23/08/2020 12:27, SK53 wrote:
This approach has been advocated in other European countries, and the 
Spanish community imported all the points of the national geodesic 
network (e.g., for Extremadura 
). 
They more or less violate the idea of OSM as something which is 
community contributed (IIRC each point has "DO NOT MOVE") and often 
interfere with objects which do need mapping (churches are a 
particular point). It's not clear that this import has assisted 
improved accuracy of mapping in Spain.


Many trig pillars are now way out of alignment and mainly of interest 
as an artefact. Even benchmarks might not have much relevance as OS 
surveying mainly uses differential GPS with reference to their own 
base network (OS Net 
). 
(From the OS website "Ordnance Survey (OS) benchmarks and their 
heights haven't been regularly maintained for over 40 years.").


OS Net is effectively proprietary, there are a limited number of open 
base stations for differential GPS in the UK. I do believe 
differential GPS (RTK) has a role to play in OSM surveying, although 
for specific purposes rather than generic improvement of feature 
alignment.


Regards,

Jerry

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 10:05, Nick > wrote:


I have been looking at what is recorded under this tag in my area.
I see
that there aren't that many and those that are on OSM refer to trig
points (see also http://trigpointing.uk/). My thinking is that if
these
are accurate and precisely marked on OSM then perhaps they could
be used
for resolving issue such as aerial imagery offsets.

I therefore wondered if it was worth using other data under this
tag -
specifically benchmarks
(https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/benchmarks/)
as there are huge numbers in the UK. If these were marked on OSM and
their accuracy and precision verified (OS open data is to the nearest
10m square and transforming that adds errors), they could be
helpful in
local surveys where they are less than accurate but also for ensuring
that moving all nodes in an area is valid (not just to match aerial
imagery). A possible linked organisation with data is
https://www.bench-marks.org.uk/

Incidentally, the benchmarks can be helpful if you need to align
historical maps which have benchmarks shown.

Any thoughts?


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[OSM-talk-be] You can now add a userbox (badge) on your Wiki page to show you're a member of our community!

[Thibault Molleman]

Hi,

Just wanted to let you all know that i've created 2 userboxes on the
OpenStreetMap wiki that you can add to your wiki profile page to show off
that you're a part of the OpenStreetMap Belgium community:

*The community badge: *
This is for anybody who actively maps in Belgium and/or is active in the
mailing list, social media or Matrix server.
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:User_OSMBEcommunity

Simply add {{User OSMBEcommunity}} to your page.


*The member badge:*
This one is meant for people who are official members of OpenStreetMap
Belgium (see list  )
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:User_OSMBEmember

Simply add {{User OSMBEmember}} to your page.

*So feel free to add one of those to your profile (If you're an official
member, you only need to add that userbox. You'll automatically also be
included in the list of community members on the wiki

as
well)*

Cheers,
Thibault
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Re: [Talk-GB] New Forest Panorama Mapping Party - September 13th 11.00

[Dave F via Talk-GB]

If your wishing to socially distance, Sunday lunchtime/afternoon seems a 
strange time to do it.


On 23/08/2020 13:43, Nick Whitelegg wrote:


Hello everyone,

Some of you are aware of this, but we (David Greenwood of TrekView and 
myself) are organising a Panorama Mapping Party on September 13th 
(Sunday) 11.00 meeting at Ashurst New Forest station (hourly trains 
from Waterloo assuming no engineering work or other disruption).


This is a postponed event originally due to take place in May. The 
idea is to capture 360 panoramic imagery of all (or as many as 
possible in the time-frame) the footpaths in the Ashurst area, of 
which there are many. If you have your own 360 camera or phone capable 
of taking 360 photos (e.g. Photo Spheres with the Google Camera 
installed) then bring it along, otherwise there will be a limited 
number of 360 camera packs available to borrow for the event.


This imagery will be used in the Trek View project (trekview.org) and 
will also be uploaded to OpenTrailView, my own 100% open-source 
project to capture 360 panoramas of walking trails (see e.g. 
https://www.opentrailview.org/?id=9900); source code 
https://gitlab.com/nickw1/opentrailview.


In order to allow social distancing, we're looking at a max of 10-12 
at the event and to split up into groups of between 1 and 3.


I myself hope to be there, but may need to travel abroad in September, 
but if not, Dave will be on hand to help!


You need to book a place; see
https://campfire.trekview.org/t/new-forest-pano-party-rescheduled-sunday-13th-september/325
for more details, or email myself or David at dgreemw...@trekview.org 
for more details.


Thanks,
Nick



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Re: [Talk-GB] New Forest Panorama Mapping Party - September 13th 11.00

[Nick Whitelegg]

Sorry, got Dave's email wrong - damn typo!

dgreenw...@trekview.org

Nick



From: Nick Whitelegg
Sent: 23 August 2020 13:43
To: Talk-GB 
Subject: New Forest Panorama Mapping Party - September 13th 11.00


Hello everyone,

Some of you are aware of this, but we (David Greenwood of TrekView and myself) 
are organising a Panorama Mapping Party on September 13th (Sunday) 11.00 
meeting at Ashurst New Forest station (hourly trains from Waterloo assuming no 
engineering work or other disruption).

This is a postponed event originally due to take place in May. The idea is to 
capture 360 panoramic imagery of all (or as many as possible in the time-frame) 
the footpaths in the Ashurst area, of which there are many. If you have your 
own 360 camera or phone capable of taking 360 photos (e.g. Photo Spheres with 
the Google Camera installed) then bring it along, otherwise there will be a 
limited number of 360 camera packs available to borrow for the event.

This imagery will be used in the Trek View project (trekview.org) and will also 
be uploaded to OpenTrailView, my own 100% open-source project to capture 360 
panoramas of walking trails (see e.g. https://www.opentrailview.org/?id=9900); 
source code https://gitlab.com/nickw1/opentrailview.

In order to allow social distancing, we're looking at a max of 10-12 at the 
event and to split up into groups of between 1 and 3.

I myself hope to be there, but may need to travel abroad in September, but if 
not, Dave will be on hand to help!

You need to book a place; see
https://campfire.trekview.org/t/new-forest-pano-party-rescheduled-sunday-13th-september/325
for more details, or email myself or David at dgreemw...@trekview.org for more 
details.

Thanks,
Nick


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[Talk-GB] New Forest Panorama Mapping Party - September 13th 11.00

[Nick Whitelegg]

Hello everyone,

Some of you are aware of this, but we (David Greenwood of TrekView and myself) 
are organising a Panorama Mapping Party on September 13th (Sunday) 11.00 
meeting at Ashurst New Forest station (hourly trains from Waterloo assuming no 
engineering work or other disruption).

This is a postponed event originally due to take place in May. The idea is to 
capture 360 panoramic imagery of all (or as many as possible in the time-frame) 
the footpaths in the Ashurst area, of which there are many. If you have your 
own 360 camera or phone capable of taking 360 photos (e.g. Photo Spheres with 
the Google Camera installed) then bring it along, otherwise there will be a 
limited number of 360 camera packs available to borrow for the event.

This imagery will be used in the Trek View project (trekview.org) and will also 
be uploaded to OpenTrailView, my own 100% open-source project to capture 360 
panoramas of walking trails (see e.g. https://www.opentrailview.org/?id=9900); 
source code https://gitlab.com/nickw1/opentrailview.

In order to allow social distancing, we're looking at a max of 10-12 at the 
event and to split up into groups of between 1 and 3.

I myself hope to be there, but may need to travel abroad in September, but if 
not, Dave will be on hand to help!

You need to book a place; see
https://campfire.trekview.org/t/new-forest-pano-party-rescheduled-sunday-13th-september/325
for more details, or email myself or David at dgreemw...@trekview.org for more 
details.

Thanks,
Nick


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Re: [talk-cz] Začátek obce

[majkaz]

Myslíš pokud už v mapě není zadaná? Tohle je nesmysl, značka "začátek/konec obce" obvykle 
nesedí s hranicí katastru obce. Pravda, hodně obcí ji na tu hranici někam "do polí" 
posouvá. Přitom správně má být až u prvních baráků.
 
Ideálně by tohle měly dělat navigace samy, pokud nemají jinou informaci o 
rychlosti. Že to není legrace, to chápu.
 
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Komu: "talk-cz@openstreetmap.org" 
Datum: 23.08.2020 13:49
Předmět: [talk-cz] Začátek obce


Šlo by nějak automaticky vygenerovat a naimportovat začátky měst, aby se v 
mapách objevila značka začátek obce. Pak by bylo jednodušší nastavit rychlostní 
limity.
 
Marek Polák
 

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Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

[pangoSE]

Hi Martin

Den Sat, 22 Aug 2020 19:30:23 +0200 Martin
skrev Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re:  VANDALISM !):

> sent from a phone
> 
> > On 22. Aug 2020, at 10:15, pangoSE  wrote:
> > 
> > Here is yet another example of bad data in our database:  
> 
> 
> fix it ;-)

Yeah! But to fix "it" (it being the overall low or unknown quality of
the map) we need good tools that encourage reviewing and fixing. 

We
have a discoverability and usability problem IMO in this area. I fixed
loads of errors during my time and I like it, but I have a poor grasp
of the overall quality of the map in the area and OSM is not making it
easy for me to find the less good quality spots with
stale/old/non-reviewed data.

> 
> Of course OpenStreetMap contains errors, just like any other source,
> and probably more, given that most contributors are laymen and have
> very few experience (few total edits, often just 1).
> 
> On the other hand, we may be very fast when something changes, very
> flexible in emergencies (think Haiti), and have interesting niche
> data that commercial and public data providers don’t care for.

Yes, that really nice. I would like to find a middle ground between fast
and poor/unknown and slow and high degree of verification.

> 
> It all depends on the local community in the end. If you have reached
> a critical mass to have locals everywhere, it will work great and
> bugs will wash out. Otherwise the data might get stale just like any
> other data. Also using the data is essential to find the problems,
> for example the 212 story garage is likely fixed now ;-)

Yeah, I agree. Lets make it easy for a local community to keep the map
verified and up to date. We could e.g. set a verification-needed
flag on objects edited in a changeset with "please review". That would make it 
easy create an
overview of all things todo in your local area based on the objects -
not the changesets that touched them (they can easily be found in
todays interface from the object).

/pangoSE

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[talk-cz] Začátek obce

[Marek Polák]

Šlo by nějak automaticky vygenerovat a naimportovat začátky měst, aby se v 
mapách objevila značka začátek obce. Pak by bylo jednodušší nastavit rychlostní 
limity.

Marek Polák

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Re: [OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to easily track their OSM-objects over time

[pangoSE]

Hi Martin

I cooked up a suggestion for implementation of permids :) 

Den Sat, 22 Aug 2020 20:56:05 +0200
skrev Re: [OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to
easily track their OSM-objects over time:

> On 2020-08-22 19:55, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> > What kind of permanent ids do you want? For some more abstract
> > concept like a road with a specific name? A shop? A building? If
> > there’s a way tagged with building=supermarket, shop=supermarket,
> > name=Foo, and you add a permanent id to it. Then the supermarket
> > gets bought by someone else and changes to name=Pango? Or the
> > supermarket closes. Or it gets torn down and rebuilt by the same
> > operator. Or someone detaches the shop tags and adds them to a node
> > inside. What happens with the id?  
> 
> Your comment is spot on. We're discussing technical ideas for
> something that isn't even clear on a semantic level.
> 
> Somehow this whole discussion reminds me of this blog post [1], in
> particular the "Lack of Permanent IDs" section. A "Conceptual Object"
> as it is described in that blog post sounds like a great idea, yet it
> suffers from the same real world semantic issues that Martin already
> pointed out.

Could you give an example of the issues you are talking about? I'm
thinking we have a need to preserve the ids of anything with tags in
OSM (that is what you navigate via or to/from and whats interesting
for the outside world to link to (I have seen very few links ever to
nodes without tags, because they are often part of a way or
relation with tags or useless orphan nodes)). 

This is how it could work:

Say a shop: Mens Wear within a building is represented today as a node
in osm with a permid=Z123. Then someone deletes it erroneously when
the shop closes and we preserve Z123 and the last known position and
node tags (because it has a permid). 

Someone else comes along and
creates a new shop node: on the same spot or close nearby and now the
question arises, should the new node created be linked to the old Z123
or should we create a new permid=124?

We ask the mapper. If they get information about what was
deleted, they can judge whether the Z123 is still conceptually valid
and restore the old shopspace and rename it to the name of the new shop:

(this would preserve the history old->new also from the earlier
deleted node too essentially making it possible to restore nodes
with permids because they are valuable).
 
The permid then no longer represents a shop but the
location of a space where a shop could and now does exist. Someone
making a service cataloguing all shopspaces for hire in a city could
then link to this shopspace FWIW.

External tools like Wikidata might link to it because they want to list
all locations for a particular brand of stores. If the shop moves to
another shop area the permid of the shopspace remains the same,
wikidata will then have to purge the location and could do that either
by looking at the name tag present or if a qid is present. We could
create a special API or egress dump with an entry every time a name or
qid changes of one of our permids, that wikidata could ingest.

This is all just spun up out of the top of my head so it might not be
feasible, but I think it would work. Of course permids should be
handled in the background when users are creating a node and adding a
tag (I never get to select or edit a permid in wikidata but I can merge
two who represent the same physical concept in the same spot and the
earliest one (lowes id) lives on and the other higher id simply refers
to it).

I hope this made sense to you all, if not feel free to ask.

> 
> 
> [1] https://blog.emacsen.net/blog/2018/02/16/osm-is-in-trouble/

Thanks for the link. I read it before and forgot about it. Reading it
again I see 2 years have passed and not much has changed it seems
(besides we have a little more AI stuff going on in HOT and FB and
OSMF has opened for free membership of active mappers). Maybe he is
right that OSM has lived out its time and is unable to adapt, maybe
not. Lets create a high quality database, not just a mediocre
one with unknown quality and an outdated, stale infrastructure. :)

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Re: [OSM-talk] New API suggestion: Allowing contributors to easily track their OSM-objects over time

[pangoSE]

Hi Andy 

Andy Townsend  skrev: (22 augusti 2020 13:03:56 CEST)
> > How/where was the notes addition proposed and implemented?
>
>If I remember correctly, it was done as a "Google Summer of Code" 
>project - effectively a sponsorship deal.  However, that project 
>requires a clone of the OSM website, which is a much harder job than 
>merely doing something with OSM data as it is updated.

Yeah. We should make it dead simple and easy to spin up a copy of our website 
and demo database for anyone to hack on on their pc or in the cloud. I'm going 
to contact the operations workgroup and start working on that because its 
crucial to making the much nedded improvements I'm interested in.

>
> >  I intended to write it myself it others find it useful.
>
>Great!
>
> > I would prefer that it is an official api so I don't have to cover 
>the hosting costs.
>
>Well if you start writing it locally and start initially with a small 
>extract of OSM data your hosting costs will be zero.  Even if you 
>absolutely need to go for a hosted server it needn't cost more than a 
>Northern European cup of coffee a month to start with (see e.g. 
>https://blog.jochentopf.com/2019-03-07-the-new-osmdata-service.html )

What a valuable writeup! Thats very cheap, interesting.
I just found http://fuga.cloud which is openstack based and also very cheap.

>
>>  Is there anywhere to post an issue to implement this and later pull 
>requests?
>
>I'd suggest creating such a place in a shared code repository such as 
>github (which is where lots of OSM-related stuff already is).  Don't 
>worry that it isn't "official" - very little in OSM is.  If it becomes 
>valuable it can easily be built on or incorporated into osm.org 
>centrally later.

All right, sounds reasonable 

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Re: [Talk-GB] man_made=survey_point

[SK53]

This approach has been advocated in other European countries, and the
Spanish community imported all the points of the national geodesic network
(e.g., for Extremadura
).
They more or less violate the idea of OSM as something which is community
contributed (IIRC each point has "DO NOT MOVE") and often interfere with
objects which do need mapping (churches are a particular point). It's not
clear that this import has assisted improved accuracy of mapping in Spain.

Many trig pillars are now way out of alignment and mainly of interest as an
artefact. Even benchmarks might not have much relevance as OS surveying
mainly uses differential GPS with reference to their own base network (OS
Net
).
(From the OS website "Ordnance Survey (OS) benchmarks and their heights
haven't been regularly maintained for over 40 years.").

OS Net is effectively proprietary, there are a limited number of open base
stations for differential GPS in the UK. I do believe differential GPS
(RTK) has a role to play in OSM surveying, although for specific purposes
rather than generic improvement of feature alignment.

Regards,

Jerry

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 10:05, Nick  wrote:

> I have been looking at what is recorded under this tag in my area. I see
> that there aren't that many and those that are on OSM refer to trig
> points (see also http://trigpointing.uk/). My thinking is that if these
> are accurate and precisely marked on OSM then perhaps they could be used
> for resolving issue such as aerial imagery offsets.
>
> I therefore wondered if it was worth using other data under this tag -
> specifically benchmarks (https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/benchmarks/)
> as there are huge numbers in the UK. If these were marked on OSM and
> their accuracy and precision verified (OS open data is to the nearest
> 10m square and transforming that adds errors), they could be helpful in
> local surveys where they are less than accurate but also for ensuring
> that moving all nodes in an area is valid (not just to match aerial
> imagery). A possible linked organisation with data is
> https://www.bench-marks.org.uk/
>
> Incidentally, the benchmarks can be helpful if you need to align
> historical maps which have benchmarks shown.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
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[Talk-se] Fwd: [Talk-dk] Gratis medlem af OpenStreetMap Foundation baseret på hvor aktiv du er

[pangoSE]

 Originalmeddelande 
Från: Soren Johannessen 
Skickat: 23 augusti 2020 07:20:11 CEST
Till: OpenStreetMap Denmark 
Ämne: [Talk-dk] Gratis medlem af OpenStreetMap Foundation baseret på hvor aktiv 
du er

Hej alle sammen

Du kan nu blive gratis medlem OpenStreetMap Foundation, hvis du inden
for de sidste 365 dage har været ind og redigere i 42 dage samt din
indsats er frivillig og ikke en del af dit daglige arbejde. Dit
medlemskab vil høre under OSMF "Active Contributor Membership" men læs
selv mere på den lange FAQ side om dette.
https://blog.openstreetmap.org/2020/08/20/active-osm-contributor-membership-program/

Om 1 år hvis du er blevet medlem, så skal medlemsskabet fornyes igen
og så er det igen krav med 42 dage.

Du kan på  "How did you contribute to OpenStreetMap?" værktøjet tjekke
dit profilnavn,  hvor mange dage du har redigeret samt om du kan blive
medlem (ny service) kig under
Active contributor: hvis der står Yes & Yes så opfylder du
betingelserne mht. 42 dage https://hdyc.neis-one.org/

Online blanket til indmeldelse -
https://join.osmfoundation.org/active-contributor-membership/application-form-for-active-contributor-membership-mapping/
Der går lige et par dage eller mere før du er endelig medlem, da du
bliver tjekket og godkendt af nogen fra OSMF bestyrelsen.

Endelig så har OSM Foundation en donation side, du måske kan overveje
at støtte med lidt penge som et engangsbeløb, nu du evt. bliver gratis
medlem
https://donate.openstreetmap.org/

Med venlig hilsen
Søren Johannessen

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Re: [OSM-talk] Call for verification (Was: Re: VANDALISM !)

[pangoSE]

pangoSE  skrev: (23 augusti 2020 08:38:45 CEST)
>
>Andy Allen (he runs  http://www.thunderforest.com/ which has a nice
>vector map service by the way on a free limited tier) a former member
>of the operations working group and current co-maintainer of the rails
>website posted this a year ago: 
>https://gravitystorm.github.io/osmf-infra-plans/ and this july the OSMF
>and the operations working group announced hiring of a Senior Site
>Reliability Engineer:
>https://mobile.twitter.com/OSM_Tech/status/1287395222847139846
>
>This seems like a good move. We would benefit a lot from being able to
>easily load balance and adjust VMs on our own or someone elses
>openstack infrastructure where we can easily provision new servers for
>development or testing when needed instead of having dedicated physical
>hardware servers that causes availability issues if they break because
>of single point of failures.

Speaking of free software like openstack: here are a few companies that 
contribute to and use openstack:

* the swedish company City Cloud seems to be the only one hosting their cloud 
on free software with multiple re.
They are not the cheapest, but they goe datacenters in many regions and have a 
lot of ISO certifications and are used to dealing with GDPR compliance.
https://citycloudng.com/

* the dutch company Fuga. They do not disclose how many locations they got so 
I'm guessing only one in the Netherlands. They are way cheaper than City Cloud 
it seems and are ISO certified and GDPR compliant.
https://fuga.cloud/about-fuga/

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[talk-cz] [začátečníci] Maximální rychlost

[Miroslav Suchý]

Při letních výletech používám navigaci založenou na OSM a všimnul jsem 
si, že ne všude mi navigace indikuje správnou rychlost. Jak to vylepšit?


Existuje klíč maxspeed=*
  https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:maxspeed

Proklikávat všechny cesty a kontrolovat existenci a hodnotu maxspeed by 
bylo únavné. Zkuste použít:

  https://www.openstreetbrowser.org/
Vlevo vyberte Doprava -> Individuální doprava -> Maximální rychlost a na 
mapě se vám přehledně zobrazí maximální rychlosti.


Lehce tak najdete ulice protažené až za hranice města. Takové cesty 
rozstřihněte a přiřaďte jim správné hodnoty.


Obdobně vysoké hodnoty ve městě jsou podezřelé a nechám na vašem úsudku 
co s tím.


Pokud je něco zelené, tak je hodnota maxspeed neznámá. Navigace ji musí 
heuristikou odvozovat. Pomoci můžete přiřazením správné hodnoty. Např.:

    maxspeed=90

Jak na složitější situace: například ve směru orientace cesty je 90 
(protože mimo obec) ale v protisměru je 70 (protože cedule kvuli 
nepřehledné křižovatce):

    maxspeed:forward=90
    maxspeed:backward=70

Plus můžete přidat zdroj - jak jste na ty hodnoty přišli:
    source:maxspeed:forward=CZ:rural
    source:maxspeed:backward=sign

Více o source:maxspeed=*:
    https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:source:maxspeed

Pokud vaše navigace používá OSRM a divíte se proč váse vede nějakou 
cestou, tak je dobré se podívat na:

    http://map.project-osrm.org/debug/#13.54/49.1887/16.5984
kde se rychle dozvíte co si algoritmus myslí o rychlosti. Při maximálním 
přiblížení uvidíte penalizace a bonusy.


Mirek



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Re: [Talk-it] Changeset con molte cancellazioni in zona Ferrara

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 23. Aug 2020, at 11:54, Federico Cortese  wrote:
> 
> Anche io premetto che non sono della zona, ma oltre a quanto da te
> evidenziato ho notato che c'era comunque un problema di poligoni
> farmland sovrapposti, cioè grandi multipoligoni (tipo questo
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3688105) che pare provengano da
> un import corine landcover, sovrapposti a poligoni semplici più
> piccoli e più dettagliati (tipo questo:
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/274929586/history). A quanto pare
> Gerd Waldmann per risolvere la cosa ha scelto la strada più veloce, ma
> più sbagliata secondo me: ha cioè cancellato i poligoni dettagliati,
> lasciando solo il grande multipoligono


concordo che questo è la soluzione meno preferibile, perché i multipoligoni non 
servono per mappare i farmland (al meno che non ci sia qualcosa al loro 
interno, come un scrub, wetland o simile, e in questo caso sarebbero comunque 
piccoli). Ci sono solo svantaggi quando si creano poligoni complessi e grandi 
dove tanti poligoni piccoli possono rappresentare la stessa informazione (e 
spesso anche più informazioni e più dettaglio).
Cercherei di fare il contrario, scogliere i MP approssimativi a favore di 
poligoni semplici e piccoli. Più semplice che si riesce a mappare, più facile 
diventa la manutenzione e l’inserimento di ulteriore dettaglio.

Coinvolgiamo anche l’utente che lo ha fatto per prevenire per il futuro...


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Re: [Talk-it] Altra violazione dì copyright

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

sent from a phone

> On 23. Aug 2020, at 11:15, Edoardo Yossef Marascalchi 
>  wrote:
> 
> è una battaglia persa...


è solo persa perché non abbiamo mai intrapreso azioni veri per combatterlo...

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[OSM-talk-fr] DAE de la métropole de Montpellier — Défibrillateur et tag name=*

[Yves P.]

Bonjour,


> J'utilise OpenRefine pour faire de la conflation sur les DAE.
> Sans nom c'est un peu galère de trouver le bon dans cette liste 

Avec le tri par distance (que je viens d'implémenter), ça va mieux 

Je retrouve les DAE de Montpellier importés il y a quelques années.

Ils ont un tag ref:MMM mais malheureusement celui-ci n'est pas présent dans les 
données GéoDAE.
Le lien qui permettrait de les trouver est le tag operator qui semble identique 
à la colonne c_nom de GéoDAE.

On en revient donc au "nom" 



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PS: Osmose ne retrouve pas (pour le moment) les DAE déjà dans OSM :
http://osmose.openstreetmap.fr/fr/map/#zoom=18=43.638435=3.814648=%2C0001%2C8370=1%2C2%2C3==
 



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Re: [Talk-it] Changeset con molte cancellazioni in zona Ferrara

[Federico Cortese]

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 10:04 AM Lorenzo Beltrami
 wrote:
>
> Non sono della zona, ma:
> 1. Quei landuse potrebbero essere stati importati dalla carta dell'uso del 
> suolo regionale. Anche io lo feci nella mia provincia (Reggio nell'Emilia) 
> appena arrivato in OSM, ma con il senno di poi è stato un errore perché sono 
> geometrie imprecise e "totalizzanti", ovvero coprono tutto il territorio 
> indistintamente (ad esempio non tengono conto degli elementi dentro l'area, 
> come canali, fossi, strade...)
> 2. Oltre ai landuse ha cancellato alberi mappati singolarmente sostituendoli 
> con natural=wood che inglobano case, strade, fermate dell'autobus... 
> (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/839670437/history) o con più generici 
> natural=tree_row (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/839670449/history). 
> Secondo me questa è un'operazione discutibile.
>

Anche io premetto che non sono della zona, ma oltre a quanto da te
evidenziato ho notato che c'era comunque un problema di poligoni
farmland sovrapposti, cioè grandi multipoligoni (tipo questo
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3688105) che pare provengano da
un import corine landcover, sovrapposti a poligoni semplici più
piccoli e più dettagliati (tipo questo:
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/274929586/history). A quanto pare
Gerd Waldmann per risolvere la cosa ha scelto la strada più veloce, ma
più sbagliata secondo me: ha cioè cancellato i poligoni dettagliati,
lasciando solo il grande multipoligono. Personalmente avrei ritagliato
il multipoligono, in modo da conservare i poligoni dettagliati e
lasciare il poligono generico dove non c'era mappatura più precisa.

> Secondo me un commento sul changeset con una domanda chiarificatrice ci 
> starebbe.
>
Sicuramente ci starebbe.

Ciao,
Federico

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Re: [Talk-it] Altra violazione dì copyright

[Edoardo Yossef Marascalchi]

come sempre è un ritaglio dal sito del INGV...
http://terremoti.ingv.it/event/25115191

è una battaglia persa...

On Sun, Aug 23, 2020 at 12:02 PM Volker Schmidt  wrote:

> Ecco la pagina contatti del giornale
> https://www.ilgazzettino.it/?p=contatti
>
> On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 09:58, alepoz via Talk-it <
> talk-it@openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>
>> Ieri il quotidiano "Il Gazzettino" ha pubblicato la notizia della scossa
>> di terremoto nelle marche usando un'immagine palesemente OSM.
>>
>> Questo il link:
>>
>>
>> https://www.ilgazzettino.it/italia/cronaca_nera/terremoto_acquasanta_terme_scosse_magnitudo_oggi_22_agosto_2020_ascoli_piceno_sciame_sismico-5418370.html
>>
>>
>> Se qualcuno sa a chi scrivere della redazione, magari mandi due righe.
>>
>> Buona domenica a tutti,
>>
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[Talk-GB] man_made=survey_point

[Nick]

I have been looking at what is recorded under this tag in my area. I see 
that there aren't that many and those that are on OSM refer to trig 
points (see also http://trigpointing.uk/). My thinking is that if these 
are accurate and precisely marked on OSM then perhaps they could be used 
for resolving issue such as aerial imagery offsets.


I therefore wondered if it was worth using other data under this tag - 
specifically benchmarks (https://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/benchmarks/) 
as there are huge numbers in the UK. If these were marked on OSM and 
their accuracy and precision verified (OS open data is to the nearest 
10m square and transforming that adds errors), they could be helpful in 
local surveys where they are less than accurate but also for ensuring 
that moving all nodes in an area is valid (not just to match aerial 
imagery). A possible linked organisation with data is 
https://www.bench-marks.org.uk/


Incidentally, the benchmarks can be helpful if you need to align 
historical maps which have benchmarks shown.


Any thoughts?


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[Volker Schmidt]

Ecco la pagina contatti del giornale
https://www.ilgazzettino.it/?p=contatti

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020 at 09:58, alepoz via Talk-it 
wrote:

> Ieri il quotidiano "Il Gazzettino" ha pubblicato la notizia della scossa
> di terremoto nelle marche usando un'immagine palesemente OSM.
>
> Questo il link:
>
>
> https://www.ilgazzettino.it/italia/cronaca_nera/terremoto_acquasanta_terme_scosse_magnitudo_oggi_22_agosto_2020_ascoli_piceno_sciame_sismico-5418370.html
>
>
> Se qualcuno sa a chi scrivere della redazione, magari mandi due righe.
>
> Buona domenica a tutti,
>
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Re: [Talk-de] Kostenlose OSMF-Mitgliedschaft für Aktive - Craftmapper in die OSMF ;)

[Christoph Hormann]

On Sunday 23 August 2020, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote:
> Gilt das dann für ein Jahr? 

Ja, die kostenlose Mitgliedschaft muss laut Dokumentation genau wie die 
bezahlte jedes Jahr erneuert werden.

> Wenn man nun z.B. nach einem Jahr 41 
> Mappingtage hat, fliegt man dann raus? Und wenn man dann in der Folge
> wieder mappt, z.B. nach einem Monat wieder 42 Tage hat, welches Datum
> gilt dann für die Feststellung ob man wahlberechtigt ist?

Auch das dürfte analog zur Bezahlung laufen.  Und durch die längere 
Vorlauf-Frist - man muss jetzt 90 Tage vor der Versammlung Mitglied 
geworden sein - entzerrt sich das ein bisschen.  Sprich:  Wenn Du 
dieses Jahr rechtzeitig für die Wahl (sprich: sehr bald) Mitglied wirst 
dann hast Du nächstes Jahr nach der Nachricht, dass Du deine 
Mitgliedschaft erneuern musst, gut Zeit, Dir die 42 Tage noch wieder zu 
erarbeiten.

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Re: [Talk-lt] Poilsiavietės places.openmap.lt žemėlapyje

[Mindaugas]

> Dabar places.openmap.lt kempingas = stovyklavietė
Belieka pervadinti jį į "Stovyklavietė". o palapinės logo labai tiks.
https://www.lietuviuzodynas.lt/terminai/Kempingas atkreipia dėmesį į
"motorizuotus", tai ir suprantu, kad tai bus caravan_site. Antraip nematau
iš esmės poreikio naudoti žodį "kempingas", nes "camp" reiškia
"stovykauti", taigi jei tiesiog su palapinėm, tai bus stovyklavietė.

Dėl dušų, tai man ir atrodo, kad jei yra dušai ir virtuvėlės, tai bus ir
elektros jungtys lauke ir ten bus pritaikyta spec. kemperiams. Todėl man
atrodo, kad nelabai rasime vietų su normaliais dušais ir virtuvėlės, nors
neįrengtom elektros jungtims kemperiams. Na, neskaitant mažumos privačių
stovyklaviečių, kur bačka pakabinta medyje ir padarytas lauko dušas. Šiuo
atveju vis dar to nevadinčiau kempingu.

Tai viskas OK, vietoj naujos kategorijos "stovyklavietės" sukūrimo, prie
kempingų pridėjome stovyklavietes. Kadangi jų didžioji dauguma, tai
dabartinius kempingus, manau reik pervadinti į "Stovyklavietės" ir sukurti
toje pačioje mėlynoje kategorijoje "Kempingas" su kemperio ikona, kuris
atitiktų caravan_site. Rezultatas tas pats, kuriuo keliu be eisi. :)


Mindaugas







On Sat, Aug 22, 2020 at 3:22 PM Tomas Straupis 
wrote:

> 2020-08-21, pn, 23:06 Mindaugas rašė:
> > Super, tik ta techninė informacija neatrodo, kad atitinka realų puslapio
> veikimą.
> > <...>
>
>   :-) Realų veikimą galima pažiūrėti kode:
>   https://github.com/openmaplt/places/blob/master/web/list.php
>   (patikslinau ir techninės info puslapyje)
>
> >> Sakyčiau, darant tokį pakeitimą reiktų tikrus mokamus kempingus
> pervadinti į „camping office“ (yra tokia grupė Osmand).
> > Čia paminėjau tik vieną pavyzdį su Bitėnų poilsiaviete, nes joje, kaip
> suprantu galima statyti palapines.
> > Net ir nedarant pakeitimų ir DABAR places.openmap.lt kempingai apima ir
> tourism=camp_site, todėl jų Lietuvoje rodo daug.
>
>   Dabar places.openmap.lt kempingas = stovyklavietė. Kadangi tinka
> nakvynei - todėl prie mėlynųjų.
>
> > Man priimtiniausi būtų:
> > Kempingas tourism=caravan_site
> > Stovyklavietė  tourism=camp_site
>
>   caravan yra visai kita paskirtis, ten norės kemperiai atvažiuoti...
>   Mano galva vienintelis variantas atskirti kempingą „su dušu“ ir be
> jo yra pridėti papildomą žymą (kokią? ar tikrai užtenka dušo? o jei
> dušo nėra, bet yra kitos paslaugos?). O tai reiškia - pereiti per
> visus camp_site ir vienaip ar kitaip sužymėti. Na o tada
> places.openmap.lt būtų galima turėti dvi atskiras kategorijas:
> kempingas ir stovyklavietė.
>
> --
> Tomas
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Re: [Talk-de] Kostenlose OSMF-Mitgliedschaft für Aktive - Craftmapper in die OSMF ;)

[Martin Koppenhoefer]

Gilt das dann für ein Jahr? Wenn man nun z.B. nach einem Jahr 41 Mappingtage 
hat, fliegt man dann raus? Und wenn man dann in der Folge wieder mappt, z.B. 
nach einem Monat wieder 42 Tage hat, welches Datum gilt dann für die 
Feststellung ob man wahlberechtigt ist?

Gruß Martin 
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Re: [Talk-it] Changeset con molte cancellazioni in zona Ferrara

[Lorenzo Beltrami]

Non sono della zona, ma:
1. Quei landuse potrebbero essere stati importati dalla carta dell'uso del
suolo regionale. Anche io lo feci nella mia provincia (Reggio nell'Emilia)
appena arrivato in OSM, ma con il senno di poi è stato un errore perché
sono geometrie imprecise e "totalizzanti", ovvero coprono tutto il
territorio indistintamente (ad esempio non tengono conto degli elementi
dentro l'area, come canali, fossi, strade...)
2. Oltre ai landuse ha cancellato alberi mappati singolarmente
sostituendoli con natural=wood che inglobano case, strade, fermate
dell'autobus... (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/839670437/history) o con
più generici natural=tree_row (
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/839670449/history). Secondo me questa è
un'operazione discutibile.

Questo è quello che ho notato, perché nello stesso changeset ha modificato
cimiteri, strade, edifici, landuse, fermate dell'autobus, fiumi... e
distinguere le cose non è così semplice...

Secondo me un commento sul changeset con una domanda chiarificatrice ci
starebbe.

Ciao!
Lollo

Il giorno dom 23 ago 2020 alle ore 08:35 Alessandro Sarretta <
alessandro.sarre...@gmail.com> ha scritto:

> Ciao,
>
> un po' per caso mi sono imbattutto in questo changeset
> https://osmcha.org/changesets/89785503/ segnato come "mass deletion" in
> OSMcha.
>
> In effetti sono state cancellate molte aree che dettagliavano
> landuse=farmland.
>
> Magari qualcuno della zona, o più esperto di me nell'uso di OSMcha, riesce
> a capire se è un changeset "dannoso" o ha migliorato la situazione?
>
> Grazie,
>
> Ale
>
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Re: [Talk-it] Changeset con molte cancellazioni in zona Ferrara

[Manuel]

Dall'areale delle sue modifiche vedo che ha contribuito ampiamente lì vicino, 
quindi posso supporre sia del posto. Comunque, se proprio fossi in dubbio, gli 
chiederei, magari commentando il changeset, da dove ha preso quelle 
informazioni (perché nella "source" non ha indicato niente).

⁣Manuel

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Il giorno 23 ago 2020, 08:35, alle ore 08:35, Alessandro Sarretta 
 ha scritto:
>Ciao,
>
>un po' per caso mi sono imbattutto in questo changeset
>https://osmcha.org/changesets/89785503/ segnato come "mass deletion" in
>
>OSMcha.
>
>In effetti sono state cancellate molte aree che dettagliavano
>landuse=farmland.
>
>Magari qualcuno della zona, o più esperto di me nell'uso di OSMcha,
>riesce a capire se è un changeset "dannoso" o ha migliorato la
>situazione?
>
>Grazie,
>
>Ale
>
>
>-- 
>
>Alessandro Sarretta
>
>skype/twitter: alesarrett
>Web: ilsarrett.wordpress.com 
>
>Research information:
>
>  * Google scholar profile
>
>  * ORCID 
>* Research Gate
>
>  * Impactstory 
>
>
>
>
>
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[Talk-it] Altra violazione dì copyright

[alepoz via Talk-it]

Ieri il quotidiano "Il Gazzettino" ha pubblicato la notizia della scossa di 
terremoto nelle marche usando un'immagine palesemente OSM.

Questo il link:

https://www.ilgazzettino.it/italia/cronaca_nera/terremoto_acquasanta_terme_scosse_magnitudo_oggi_22_agosto_2020_ascoli_piceno_sciame_sismico-5418370.html


Se qualcuno sa a chi scrivere della redazione, magari mandi due righe.

Buona domenica a tutti,

Alessandro Pozzato
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Re: [Talk-de] Kostenlose OSMF-Mitgliedschaft für Aktive - Craftmapper in die OSMF ;)

[Rolf Eike Beer]

Am Samstag, 22. August 2020, 22:49:07 CEST schrieb michael spreng:
> Hallo Eike
> 
> On 22.08.20 10:42, Rolf Eike Beer wrote:
> > Ganz toll wäre es, wenn man die Eingabefelder durch URL-Parameter
> > vorbelegen könnte.
> 
> Kannst du das etwas ausführen, was da der usecase wäre?

Das wäre für einen automatischen Erinnerungslink z.B. eine 
Implementierungsvariante. Gekommen ist mir das ganze gestern, bei einer IRC-
Debatte mit Pascal:

[10:36:30]  pascal_n: du könntest für Benutzer, die per OSM angemeldet 
sind und ihr eigenes Profil betrachten, ja einen Link zur OSMF-Mitgliedschaft 
anbieten wenn sie mehr als 42 Mapping days haben

Eike

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[OSM-talk-fr] Google Maps permet désormais de suivre les feux de forêt en temps quasi réel

[Yves P.]

https://www.frandroid.com/marques/google/751597_google-maps-permet-desormais-de-suivre-les-feux-de-foret-en-temps-quasi-reel
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