Re: 3.5.32 duplicate messages
Hello Clive, Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 6:53:44 AM, you wrote: Why didn't this thread to my original message. Gawd! I think I've caught Boom unthreading syndrome. After a restart of TB!, this thread has put itself back together again. AND the unread message count is now updating itself again after being stuck! -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.5.32 Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?
Hello Keith, KR I have tried clicking Yes and repairing the file, but it doesn't KR help. Every few seconds, this message pops up, making it KR impossible to work. You'd better to find out which IMAP mailbox it is and in disconnected state repair it through folder maintenance. Or you could use 'Clear cache' button. KR Can someone tell me the best way to deal with this? Since this is KR IMAP, can I just delete the TBB file and let TB rebuild it? Yes, it is another way, but you should delete both TBB and TBI files (the way 'Clear cache' button works) KR I'm still on version 3.0.9.13. One reason that I have never KR upgraded this version and completely stopped using The Bat! some KR time ago is that it is unusable due to a constantly recurring KR error message. Since 3.0.9.13 there was a lot of changes of how IMAP works with message bases. It should be more reliable now, so if you'll fix corrupted base, try the newer version. -- 9Val Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.32 is now available
On Tuesday, June 28, 2005, 20:38:50, David Elliott wrote: The Bat! 3.5.32 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Sorry I don't know what you have done but it is unusable. 40 messages to down load Atl + F2 39 messages to down load Atl + F2 38 messages to down load. Basically for each POP3 get seaaion it only gets one message. Confirmed, I've had 130 messages in my mailbox, TB downloaded 30 or so, now it repeatedly downloads the rest 100, but none of them appear in my folders. -- Jernej Simoncic http://deepthought.ena.si/ [The Bat! v3.5.32 on Windows 2003 5.2.3790.Service Pack 1] If it does exist, it's out of date. -- Arnold's Second Law of Documentation Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?
Hi Keith, On Wednesday, 29 June 2005 at 07:29 AM you (Keith Russell) wrote: I'm still on version 3.0.9.13. One reason that I have never upgraded this version and completely stopped using The Bat! some time ago is that it is unusable due to a constantly recurring error message. Since you are a IMAP user I would strongly recommend to update to the newest beta version. Really, you *must* do this. ;-) An error occurred while reading the message base ...\Fastmail (IMAP)\55DBCDFF.TBB. Do you want to repair the message base now? This error message is a bit silly, perhaps we need to discuss these messages in IMAP accounts in general with the developers. Everything is on the server and when there is something corrupt in the message base, than TB! should just fetch the needed informations from the server. 9Val, Maxim - thinking of implementing this feature or is it silly? I have tried clicking Yes and repairing the file, but it doesn't help. Every few seconds, this message pops up, making it impossible to work. Annoying... Can someone tell me the best way to deal with this? Since this is IMAP, can I just delete the TBB file and let TB rebuild it? Yes, you can. You can do this on the file system with your favorite explorer or just use TB!. That's what I would recommend. Right-click on the folder where this file belongs to, navigate to Properties and select Delete cache. I hope and think this option is given in your version. Seeing your description the file we're are talking about has to be in the inbox, right? After the cache is deleted, TB! will fetch the whole message information from the server and everything should be back to normal. Nevertheless, please *do* thinking about to update to the newest version. IMAP has made big efforts since the version you're using and you probably would be sad having not updated earlier. ;-) -- Manuel, http://www.manuel-breitfeld.de Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.32 is now available
Hello David, Tuesday, June 28, 2005, 7:38:50 PM, you wrote: The Bat! 3.5.32 is now available from: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ Sorry I don't know what you have done but it is unusable. 40 messages to down load Atl + F2 39 messages to down load Atl + F2 38 messages to down load. Basically for each POP3 get seaaion it only gets one message. I have reverted to 3.5.0.31 Fixed in 3.5.33 -- Best regards, Davidmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.32 duplicate messages
On Tuesday, June 28, 2005 @ 10:53:44 PM [-0700], Clive Taylor wrote: Why didn't this thread to my original message. Gawd! I think I've caught Boom unthreading syndrome. Threaded ok for me. -- Matt Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available
Het was op dinsdag 28 juni 2005 om 23:10 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'The Bat! 3.5.0.31 is now available' : Hallo 9Val, 9 The Bat! 3.5.33 is now available from: 9 http://www.ritlabs.com/en/tbbeta/ 9 The only change is non-working dispatcher. and the fact that I get an access violation when starting up .33 -- regards, Cees OS/2 is the operating system of the '90s - Bill Gates ___ The Bat! :bat2angel: 3.5.33 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
AVs with 3.5.33
Hello beta testers. I get a truckload of AVs with the current beta - anyone seeing something similar? I got a couple of normal ones (in the first hour after install) and then I got these: --- The Bat!: theBat.exe - Application Error --- The instruction at 0x referenced memory at 0x. The memory could not be read. Click on OK to terminate the program Click on CANCEL to debug the program --- OK Cancel --- --- Application Error: theBat.exe - Application Error --- The instruction at 0x77f69ecd referenced memory at 0x0010. The memory could not be written. Click on OK to terminate the program Click on CANCEL to debug the program --- OK Cancel --- --- The Bat! --- Privileged instruction. --- OK --- -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.5.0.31 Pro /thebat version env. ~12 POP3, 4 IMAP (MailMax 5.5) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
rendering HTML messages
I have noticed that in .33, certain html messages are not being correctly rendered. I have particularly noticed this with two daily messages I get, one is headlines from the New York Times, the other is a daily news summary from Slate Magazine. When I retreated to .31 or .32, rendition is correct. With .33, though, I just get a little red x in a little box. With the e-mails I get from my cable provider, a couple display the Invalid HTML, please send to developer message in .33, while display is right in earlier versions. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.5.0.31 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: AVs with 3.5.33
Het was op woensdag 29 juni 2005 om 10:00 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'AVs with 3.5.33' : Hallo Peter, PF I get a truckload of AVs with the current beta - anyone seeing PF something similar? just one, when firing up TheBat! Plus IMAP is bad again... all commands remain in the connection center but don't do much. -- regards, Cees God must love crazy people; he makes so many of them - from: Rambo III ___ The Bat! :bat2angel: 3.5.33 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.32 duplicate messages
--On Wednesday, June 29, 2005 6:48 am +0100 Clive Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Not this morning you won't, because the problem hasn't shown itself yet! Why? Statements like that make me want to try TB again this morning in the hope that it will magically start working for me. But, somehow I don't think The Moldavian Bat Fairies visit my house very often. -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.32 duplicate messages
--On Wednesday, June 29, 2005 6:53 am +0100 Clive Taylor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why didn't this thread to my original message. Gawd! I think I've caught Boom unthreading syndrome. Best sort it out soon, you'll be in every ones kill file keeping me company. -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: AVs with 3.5.33
--On Wednesday, June 29, 2005 10:10 am +0200 Cees [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plus IMAP is bad again... Again? Which version got good? Prey tell so I can try it. -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: rendering HTML messages
Hello Dwight, Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 10:01:18 AM, you wrote: DAC I have noticed that in .33, certain html messages are not being DAC correctly rendered. I have particularly noticed this with two daily DAC messages I get, one is headlines from the New York Times, the other is DAC a daily news summary from Slate Magazine. When I retreated to .31 or DAC .32, rendition is correct. With .33, though, I just get a little red x DAC in a little box. Confirmed. -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! Version 3.5.33 MyMacros 1.11 Universal Macro eXtender 2.4.1185 Summer edition beta zOmbie's Macros Version 0.7 Windows 2000 Professional/5.0 build 2195 Service Pack 4 (0 days 2:43:11) on Uno AMD Duron Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: rendering HTML messages
On Wednesday, June 29, 2005, at 03:01:18 [UTC-0500] (Wednesday, June 29, 2005 10:01 my local time) Dwight A Corrin wrote: I have noticed that in .33, certain html messages are not being correctly rendered. I confirm your observation. HTML messages with included images are not displayed in version .33. -- Best regards, Zygmunt Wereszczynski (Using The Bat! v3.5.33 on Windows 2000 SP4) Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?
Hi, MB Since you are a IMAP user I would strongly recommend to update to the newest MB beta version. Really, you *must* do this. ;-) Again, this must ly in the eye of the beholder. I'm running v3.0.1.33 on a production machine and v3.5.current on a test environment. _Every_ version after v3.0.1.33 I've tried is worse on IMAP than this one. So as the exact opposite of your advice I'd suggest a downgrade instead of the upgrade. I'm using the two versions almost next to each other so I can very easily see the differences. My hope is in what Val recently said about the redesign of IMAP from the ground - to me it would already be a success getting v3.5.x as stable as v3.0.1.33. -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpfdgWTcqQEI.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?
On Wednesday, June 29, 2005 at 5:30:33 AM [GMT -0500], Alto Speckhardt wrote: Again, this must ly in the eye of the beholder. I'm running v3.0.1.33 on a production machine and v3.5.current on a test environment. _Every_ version after v3.0.1.33 I've tried is worse on IMAP than this one. But are you a FastMail user like myself, Manuel and Keith? If Keith hadn't said he was a FastMail user, I'd not have recommended an upgrade so much. -- -= Allie Martin =- The Bat! v3.5.33 System Specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- I used to be schizophrenic, but we're all right now. Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
deete in thread
Hi all, When I have view as thread enabled (any method) I can choose any one message of the thread and press CTRL-Shift-Del to delete the whole thread. But often I wish to leave the base message (the first, originating message of the thread) of the thread and only delete the ones that include the selected message downward: A B1 B2 C1 D1 D2 D3 C2 C3 B3 Here, e.g. I choose message C1 and want to delete C1, D1, D2 and D3 in one go while leaving the rest of the messages. Is this already possible or would it be a new feature? -- MfG, Alto mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpbKwEVzuYsA.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?
Hi Allie, AM But are you a FastMail user like myself, Manuel and Keith? AM If Keith hadn't said he was a FastMail user, I'd not have recommended an AM upgrade so much. Ah - no. Sorry, of course I can't speak to that. -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpEAfzWFdd7p.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP - Access Violation
Hi all, I was just reading my messages and had a message body loaded. I just sat reading it and this AV appeared: Access violation at address 004046CE in module 'thebat.exe'. Read of address 046291EC. I just hit OK and have been working since without needing a restart. -- -= Allie Martin =- The Bat! v3.5.33 System Specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Should I weed the lawn or say it's a garden? Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?
On Wednesday, June 29, 2005 at 1:17:48 AM [GMT -0500], Manuel Breitfeld wrote: An error occurred while reading the message base ...\Fastmail (IMAP)\55DBCDFF.TBB. Do you want to repair the message base now? This error message is a bit silly, perhaps we need to discuss these messages in IMAP accounts in general with the developers. Everything is on the server and when there is something corrupt in the message base, than TB! should just fetch the needed informations from the server. 9Val, Maxim - thinking of implementing this feature or is it silly? I agree. It's sort of misleading to the user, unless the user is savvy. A message like this would be: 'An error occurred while reading the cached message base for the mailbox 'mailbox name'. To attempt a repair, press cancel and after disconnecting from the server, use the repair option in the folder maintenance. To delete the cached base, then press the 'delete cache' button. After the cache is deleted, TB! will fetch the whole message information from the server and everything should be back to normal. It's the TBB file so that's the file that contains message bodies. The message list index seems ok. So it will be cached copies of the retrieved message bodies that would be lost. Nevertheless, please *do* thinking about to update to the newest version. IMAP has made big efforts since the version you're using and you probably would be sad having not updated earlier. I agree with this. I'm a FastMail user too and find these latter versions useful with this IMAP service. -- -= Allie Martin =- The Bat! v3.5.33 System Specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- As I said before, I never repeat myself. Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: deete in thread
Is this already possible or would it be a new feature? That'd be a new feature. I've often wanted to do the same thing except to mark as read rather than delete. -- Stuart Hemming Using The Bat! v3.5.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Aided by BayesIt! 0.8.1, MyGate v1.0, rss2pop3 v1.2, SpamPal v1.70, MyMacros 1.11a. Don't confuse me with facts, my mind's already made up pgpIfZY9qqw3G.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.5.33 Bug changing editor type
Hello Liste, If you are in message editor and you attempt to change the editor type (MicroEd/Win/HTMLText/HTML) by clicking on the appropriate field in the lower right corner of editor windows just a small gray rectangle is showed (instead of the 4 editor types + Set as default) -- Sincerely Hendrik Oesterlin - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber-IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 215599852 - MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] - YIM moimeme666fr - AIM moimeme666fr TheBat! 3.5.33 and Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.3 on Windows 2000 ___ Gesendet von Yahoo! Mail - Jetzt mit 1GB Speicher kostenlos - Hier anmelden: http://mail.yahoo.de Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Re[2]: IMAP: Long Pause when loading first message in large mailbox
--On Monday, June 27, 2005 15:00:38 -0500 Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm now back to TB! almost full-time, I'm rapidly getting upset now, how do you get your messages to load? I've tried TB three times today and all I get 99% of the time is No Message Loaded. I've tried RMB reload, restarting TB, rebooting the PC and all I get is a grey screen with the above message. -- Tony. LM Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.33 Bug changing editor type
Hallo Hendrik, On Wed, 29 Jun 2005 22:13:07 +1100GMT (29-6-2005, 13:13 +0200, where I live), you wrote: HO If you are in message editor and you attempt to change the editor type HO (MicroEd/Win/HTMLText/HTML) by clicking on the appropriate field in HO the lower right corner of editor windows just a small gray rectangle HO is showed (instead of the 4 editor types + Set as default) Confirmed -- Groetjes, Roelof and that is how we know the Earth is banana-shaped. The Bat! 3.5.33 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpTk3enWS9OX.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [OT] It worries me...
Bonjour Martin, MS Hi list and Ritlabs MS I worries me that it seems that TheBat came to a stage where it is MS difficult to find bugs and hard to fix them. Old and very old bugs MS are still present and any new version which claims to fix some bugs MS has new ones - things which worked before are suddenly broken... 't might become difficult to browse through so many code lines... In order to repair one bug introduced in 3.5.32, Ritlab came today with 3.5.33... with a 500 Kb bigger exe-file!!! thebat.exe is now weighting almost 12 Mb. Compare with a three month old version... -- Best regards FRANCIS J. SEGOND Webpage: http://faustroll.net, http://butsu.org PGP-Key: http://www.segond.de/pubkey/segond.asc Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.32 is now available
Hello Jernej! On Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 1:07 AM, you wrote: Basically for each POP3 get seaaion it only gets one message. Confirmed, I've had 130 messages in my mailbox, TB downloaded 30 or so, now it repeatedly downloads the rest 100, but none of them appear in my folders. Fixed for me in 3.5.33. See if it's not also fixed for you? -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.33 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
[OT] Re: It worries me...
Hi Francis MS I worries me that it seems that TheBat came to a stage where it is MS difficult to find bugs and hard to fix them. Old and very old bugs are MS still present and any new version which claims to fix some bugs has new MS ones - things which worked before are suddenly broken... FS 't might become difficult to browse through so many code lines... FS In order to repair one bug introduced in 3.5.32, Ritlab came today with FS 3.5.33... with a 500 Kb bigger exe-file!!! thebat.exe is now weighting FS almost 12 Mb. Compare with a three month old version... Not wishing to put words into any RL (or any other) keyboards here. This is just a general observation. Many new features are being added at the moment. Often at this stage in a program's development cycle things can get a little complicated. But those growing pains tend to be followed by good consolidation and a stronger, sleeker program at the end of the process. It's a little like a bird emerging from its egg for the first time. When it was an egg, all it had to concern itself with was keeping its yoke together and whether the speckles on its shell were lookin' good today. But then, as it grows, it gets a whole set of new stuff it needs to worry about: What should I do with these enormous feet things?; Won't all this beak business just get in the way?; What if I'm alergic to feathers?. The list, believe me, is endless! And in the end, of course, the beak does get in the way and the cool-lookin' shell gets broken and the feathers don't even work properly at first. And then the bird trips over those enormous feet things and quite possibly falls right out of its comfort zone - I mean nest. Now, what kinda smart design is that? Well, I guess that'd be the kinda smart design where those feet things grow and develop and become strong enough to power that swan across the largest lake it can find and where the feathers turn out to be really snug in winter, cool in summer and even more cool when you get bored with swimming and fancy a spot of flying - not to mention, of course, prettier than a very pretty thing. And the beak? Well, I think the beak speaks for itself. :) -- Groetjes Natasha The Bat! 3.5.33 on Windows XP Professional 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.5.33 some HTML mails are not shown correctly
Hello Liste, In 3.5.33 some HTML mails are not displayed. See attached sample. -- Sincerely Hendrik Oesterlin - email [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabber-IM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ 215599852 - MSN [EMAIL PROTECTED] - YIM moimeme666fr - AIM moimeme666fr TheBat! 3.5.0.31 and Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.3 on Windows 2000---BeginMessage--- Title: WEB.DE Reporter Aktuelle Brennpunkte vom 29.06.2005 Wahl 2005: Schrder informiert Kabinett heute ber Vertrauensfrage Confed-Cup: Klinsmann will Top-Leistung gegen Mexiko Radsport: Jan Ullrich geht zum Hhentraining in den Keller Boulevard: Flirttipps: Gekonnt die besten Seiten zeigen Konjunktur: IWF erhht deutsche Wachstums- Prognose fr 2005 Kriminalitt: Urteil in den Mordfllen Levke und Felix erwartet Weitere Brennpunkte Wahl 2005: Schrder informiert Kabinett heute ber Vertrauensfrage Berlin - Zwei Tage vor der mit Spannung erwarteten Vertrauensfrage will Bundeskanzler Gerhard Schrder (SPD) heute das Kabinett darber unterrichten, warum er die Frage im Bundestag stellen will.Zu dem Ministergesprch im Kanzleramt werden neben den Bundesministern unter anderen auch Kanzleramtschef Frank-Walter Steinmeier und der Staatsminister im Auswrtigen Amt, Hans Martin Bury, erwartet.Weiter Confed-Cup: Klinsmann will Top-Leistung gegen Mexiko Leipzig - Erst ein Sieg, dann der Urlaub: Jrgen Klinsmann will seinen Spielern auch an ihrem letzten Arbeitstag noch einmal eine Top-Einstellung und Hchstleistung abverlangen."Das Turnier ist fr uns noch nicht vorbei. Wenn das Spiel gegen Mexiko hoffentlich erfolgreich durchgezogen ist, dann lassen wir sie in Frieden", so Klinsmann.Weiter Radsport: Jan Ullrich geht zum Hhentraining in den Keller Scherzingen - Fr die letzten Tage der Tour-Vorbereitung ist Jan Ullrich in den Keller seines Hauses in Scherzingen gegangen.Dort befindet sich eine hochmoderne Anlage, mit der der T-Mobile-Fahrer ein Training unter Hhenbedingungen simulieren kann.Weiter Boulevard: Flirttipps: Gekonnt die besten Seiten zeigen Berlin - Die erste Verabredung mit dem Schwarm steht bevor, und das Herz klopft bis zum Hals. Ein bisschen Planung und viel Spontanitt helfen gegen allzu schlimme Aufregung."Wer den anderen wirklich kennen lernen mchte, sollte fr Ruhe und Zweisamkeit sorgen und zum Beispiel in ein Caf gehen, wo keine Freunde herumhngen", so Single-Berater Christian Thiel aus Berlin.Weiter Konjunktur: IWF erhht deutsche Wachstums- Prognose fr 2005 Berlin - Der Internationale Whrungsfonds (IWF) erwartet 2005 fr Deutschland ein etwas strkeres Wirtschaftswachstum als bisher. Fr 2006 hat der IWF dagegen seine Konjunkturerwartungen gesenkt.Wie am Mittwoch aus Kreisen des Fonds weiter verlautete, wird Deutschland nach Einschtzung des IWF auch in diesem und im kommenden Jahr gegen den Euro-Stabilittspakt verstoen.Weiter Kriminalitt: Urteil in den Mordfllen Levke und Felix erwartet Stade - Im Prozess um die Morde an den achtjhrigen Kindern Levke und Felix vor dem Landgericht Stade in Niedersachsen wird heute das Urteil erwartet.Die Staatsanwaltschaft hat eine lebenslange Freiheitsstrafe mit anschlieender Sicherungsverwahrung fr den 31 Jahre alten Angeklagten Marc Hoffmann beantragt.Weiter Weitere Brennpunkte Afghanistan: US- Hubschrauber vermutlich von Taliban abgeschossen Vatikan: Seligsprechung von Johannes Paul II. eingeleitet Auto: Beim Kauf von Billigautos auf Airbags achten Raumfahrt: Space Shuttle erfllt nicht alle Sicherheits- Empfehlungen WEB.DE Newsticker:Zeigen Sie individuell zusammengestellte News (Kultur, Politik, Sport, Vermischtes, Wirtschaft) auf Ihrer eigenen Homepage. EinstellungenAlle Infos auch im Screensaver oder NewstickerAbmelden ---End Message--- Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.33 Bug changing editor type
Hi Hendrik Oesterlin, Wednesday, June 29, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : If you are in message editor and you attempt to change the editor type (MicroEd/Win/HTMLText/HTML) by clicking on the appropriate field in the lower right corner of editor windows just a small gray rectangle is showed (instead of the 4 editor types + Set as default) Same here. -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [OT] Re: It worries me...
Natasha V Pearce wrote: NVP It's a little like a bird emerging from its egg for the first NVP time. More like a house of cards that keeps getting taller and taller... Clearly the code has exceeded the developers' ability to manage it. -- George Using The Bat! 3.0.2.8 on Windows XP Pro, Service Pack 2. Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [OT] Re: It worries me...
Bonjour Natasha, NVP It's a little like a bird emerging from its egg for the first NVP time. [...] ... even more cool when you get bored with swimming and fancy a spot of NVP flying - not to mention, of course, prettier than a very pretty thing. I like the cute metaphor (well a long periphrasis actually) :-) ... But I hope that the nice little bird won't become an ugly ostrich or a Windows-like vulture... The point is that the continuous addition of fancy features appears actually to prevent Ritlabs from eradicating prehistorical bugs or brand new ones like the source viewer display problem (https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4813), which obliges me to use the 3.5.25 version instead of the actual 3.5.33. Best regards -- FRANCIS J. SEGOND Webpage: http://faustroll.net, http://butsu.org PGP-Key: http://www.segond.de/pubkey/segond.asc Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.33 some HTML mails are not shown correctly
On Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 9:20:58 AM, Hendrik Oesterlin wrote: Hello Liste, In 3.5.33 some HTML mails are not displayed. See attached sample. I just added this problem to bug tracker, then raced out the door,so didn't have time to post in that thread. report is 0004857 -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.5.33 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.5.32 is now available
Hello Mary, Tuesday, June 28, 2005, 1:23:29 PM, you wrote: Leif, what happens in POP3 for you, if you do *not* download mail automatically, and you *do* invoke the Mail Dispatcher automatically? (Account/Properties/Mail Management) Well, just downloaded 133 messages (according to the Connection Center and the log) and they didn't show up anywhere. That's a bad thing. Makes moderating the list easy though. Nothing there to moderate. :-( Just saw they have 3.5.33 available. Going to try that. -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Searching a faceplate for a Fujitsu MO drive MCG3064AP
Dear Fujitsu support team, I have discovered 2 unused Fujistu MO drives (MCG3064AP) in our local storage. Unlucky they are missing the faceplate. I'm now trying to get a replacement faceplate for two of those drives. I allready contacted the german Fujitsu support, but they hat no proper faceplates at their hands. Perhaps you are able to help me with that little issue. -- With best regards Lars Sölter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- With best regards Lars Sölter mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The Bat! Version 3.5.32 Windows 2000 / Service Pack 4 (Build 2195) Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Searching a faceplate for a Fujitsu MO drive MCG3064AP
Sorry for that again. It seems that I either have to ditch folder templates or The Bat!. -- With best regards Lars Sölter The Bat! Version 3.5.32 Windows 2000 / Service Pack 4 (Build 2195) Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Searching a faceplate for a Fujitsu MO drive MCG3064AP
Hello all, Wednesday, June 29, 2005, Lars Sölter wrote: Sorry for that again. It seems that I either have to ditch folder templates or The Bat!. try MyMacros plugin (http://en.barin.com.ua/soft/mymacros) and use %ToIfNone=address instead %To=. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.5.33 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Searching a faceplate for a Fujitsu MO drive MCG3064AP
Hello Lars, Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 9:37:12 AM, you wrote: Sorry for that again. It seems that I either have to ditch folder templates or The Bat!. Just go here: http://cgi.silverstones.com/library.php#private+messages Put that in your folder template and change the 'THE LIST POST ADDRESS' to the list address for that folder. But, the better way is to just use an addressbook template. 1. Create a new contact called 'TB Lists' 2. Put the below addresses in the e-mail address area tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com tbdev@thebat.dutaint.com tbtech@thebat.dutaint.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] 3. Set up your new message and reply message templates for the list. 4. Remove the folder level templates. 5. You're done. -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Searching a faceplate for a Fujitsu MO drive MCG3064AP
In theory the folder templates are really great. But while implementing they missed two importan points. 1. Defining a deault context when an email address is supplied through an external source. Or ask in that case for the context to use. 2. When creating a new email by double-clicking on an email address in an email within The Bat!, the context in which the source email resides should be used. -- With best regards Lars Sölter The Bat! Version 3.5.32 Windows 2000 / Service Pack 4 (Build 2195) Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: How Do I Repair My IMAP database?
Hi, Val. Thanks very much for the quick reply. 9Val wrote: Hello Keith, KR I have tried clicking Yes and repairing the file, but it doesn't KR help. Every few seconds, this message pops up, making it KR impossible to work. You'd better to find out which IMAP mailbox it is and in disconnected state repair it through folder maintenance. Or you could use 'Clear cache' button. How do I find out which mailbox it is? And how do I get it to disconnect (especially with all the popup messages)? By the way, it's not a single mailbox. After I posted, I tried to exit TB and started getting error messages for another mailbox. When this happens, it's almost impossible to exit TB. KR Can someone tell me the best way to deal with this? Since this is KR IMAP, can I just delete the TBB file and let TB rebuild it? Yes, it is another way, but you should delete both TBB and TBI files (the way 'Clear cache' button works) Thanks. That might be the easiest way. KR I'm still on version 3.0.9.13. One reason that I have never KR upgraded this version and completely stopped using The Bat! some KR time ago is that it is unusable due to a constantly recurring KR error message. Since 3.0.9.13 there was a lot of changes of how IMAP works with message bases. It should be more reliable now, so if you'll fix corrupted base, try the newer version. I'm glad to hear that. I would REALLY like to be able to use The Bat! again! Thanks. Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
Hello all, So I leave you alone for a few days because I'm terribly busy and even out of the country for one week and you all go and start one of those 'Happy Hour' parties where you get a free new version every hour. How discourteous of you! ;-) BTW, while I was away I took this picture of 9Val at work: http://www.rancho-k.com/fun/9Val.jpg -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.0.31 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [OT] Re: It worries me...
--On Thursday, June 30, 2005 1:55 am +1200 Natasha V Pearce [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's a little like a bird emerging from its egg for the first time. Yes, completely scrambled! -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: The Bat! 3.5.32 is now available
Hello Leif! On Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 10:06 AM, you wrote: Leif, what happens in POP3 for you if ... you *do* invoke the Mail Dispatcher automatically? Well, just downloaded 133 messages (according to the Connection Center and the log) and they didn't show up anywhere. That's a bad thing. Makes moderating the list easy though. Nothing there to moderate. :-( Bad. Was bad for me, too. So I greatly appreciated 9Val's prompt fix. Just saw they have 3.5.33 available. Going to try that. Report back here how it goes, at your convenience? It's working perfectly for me now, using v. 3.5.33. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.33 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [OT] Re: It worries me...
--On Wednesday, June 29, 2005 7:32 am -0700 George Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clearly the code has exceeded the developers' ability to manage it. I fully agree. The true purpose of what it is supposed to be capable of has been forgotten in favour of smileys, rogue faces, pretty little icons, Birthday reminders, notepads, themes, html, etc. The list of non essential bloat is getting longer. The fact it's supposed to be able to send and receive email seems to have been totally forgotten. And what really P's me off is, if you send a bug report about it's inability to collect and display email you get totally ignored. Send in a spelling mistake or missing icon and either Max or 9val reply straight away the very next post with We'll fix that right now... Which fully corroborates your statement above. All I want is a decent client that handles email *properly* and has good filters. TB has good filters but it's now a really crap unusable email client, at least for IMAP users it is. -- Tony iMac Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB Exchange issues
Hello... on 28-Jun-2005 at 12:00 I (Alexander S. Kunz) wrote: This is a confirmation of what's been reported by Vili and others: I can't send a message, either. It remains in the Outbox forever as it seems. I can send a message with a different account where I simply entered our Exchange server as smtp server, so it must be a problem with the MAPI communication. Seems to be sorted in .33 - I could send a message with that version today. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Clusterbend (9:17) by Modula Green from the 1995 album 'Shellground' Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.33 Bug changing editor type
Hello Hendrik Oesterlin everyone else, on 29-Jun-2005 at 13:13 you (Hendrik Oesterlin) wrote: If you are in message editor and you attempt to change the editor type (MicroEd/Win/HTMLText/HTML) by clicking on the appropriate field in the lower right corner of editor windows just a small gray rectangle is showed (instead of the 4 editor types + Set as default) Confirmation #4. Time to open an issue on BT. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Clusterbend (9:17) by Modula Green from the 1995 album 'Shellground' Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [OT] It worries me...
Hello Francis Segond everyone else, on 29-Jun-2005 at 14:01 you (Francis Segond) wrote: In order to repair one bug introduced in 3.5.32, Ritlab came today with 3.5.33... with a 500 Kb bigger exe-file!!! thebat.exe is now weighting almost 12 Mb. Compare with a three month old version... I think the beta version always were somewhat bigger than the release versions, maybe they contain extra debug hunks or whatever... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Clusterbend (9:17) by Modula Green from the 1995 album 'Shellground' Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [OT] Re: It worries me...
Hello George Mitchell everyone else, on 29-Jun-2005 at 16:32 you (George Mitchell) wrote: Clearly the code has exceeded the developers' ability to manage it. Are you a programmer? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Clusterbend (9:17) by Modula Green from the 1995 album 'Shellground' Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: [OT] Re: It worries me...
More like a house of cards that keeps getting taller and taller... Clearly the code has exceeded the developers' ability to manage it. I don't think that follows. They said they were adding unicode support, and that it involves some changes in program architecture. It is to be expected that the program would become unstable until it all gets integrated again, and it has. TB has started disappearing from my screen without warning, getting tangled up and sending the same message over and over. I sure hope they get it back to where it was in a few weeks. Unicode support is necessary for languages like Chinese that have more than 255 possible characters. Gleason Using The Bat! v3.5.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Primarily using the Fastmail IMAP server which uses Cyrus. Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Searching a faceplate for a Fujitsu MO drive MCG3064AP
Hello Leif Gregory everyone else, on 29-Jun-2005 at 17:54 you (Leif Gregory) wrote: Just go here: http://cgi.silverstones.com/library.php#private+messages I have a different folder template problem - it does not work. I receive one mailinglist which has no reply-to header that points to the list address (even though it is a discussion list, and its running MailMan, but well... some people just don't get it). I set up a folder template that will put the list address in the TO field whenever I reply. That works - but only if the original sender is NOT in my addressbook (the addressbook group has a separate template). Any idea how I can avoid that? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: The Orchid Trap (12:41) by Modula Green from the 1995 album 'Shellground' Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 11:24:32 AM, (Internet Time - ) you wrote: Hello MAU, M Hello all, M So I leave you alone for a few days because I'm terribly busy and even M out of the country for one week and you all go and start one of those M 'Happy Hour' parties where you get a free new version every hour. How M discourteous of you! ;-) M BTW, while I was away I took this picture of 9Val at work: M http://www.rancho-k.com/fun/9Val.jpg :rofl2: Good one, Mau... -- Best regards, Michael mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 3.5.33 On Windows XP SP2 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
Het was op woensdag 29 juni 2005 om 19:28 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun' : Hallo Michael, M BTW, while I was away I took this picture of 9Val at work: M http://www.rancho-k.com/fun/9Val.jpg well... at least he's got a nice tan. Must 've been some holiday! :-) -- regards, Cees We call our dog Egypt coz' he leaves pyramids in the garden. ___ The Bat! :bat2angel: 3.5.33 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: [OT] Re: It worries me...
Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 12:11:29 PM, (Internet Time - ) you wrote: Hello Alexander, ASK Hello George Mitchell everyone else, ^ ASK on 29-Jun-2005 at 16:32 you (George Mitchell) wrote: Clearly the code has exceeded the developers' ability to manage it. ASK Are you a programmer? No I am not a programer...:) -- Best regards, Michael mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 3.5.33 On Windows XP SP2 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Mod: Cut mark (was: [OT] Re: It worries me...)
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Re: TB Exchange issues
On Wednesday, June 29, 2005, at 19:07:59 [UTC+0200] (Wednesday, June 29, 2005 19:07 my local time) Alexander S. Kunz wrote: This is a confirmation of what's been reported by Vili and others: I can't send a message, either. It remains in the Outbox forever as it seems. I can send a message with a different account where I simply entered our Exchange server as smtp server, so it must be a problem with the MAPI communication. Seems to be sorted in .33 - I could send a message with that version today. Unfortunately, I cannot retrieve neither send messages. Logged error messages are the same as in v. 3.5.31. I am using MAPI communication with Exchange. Additionally POP3 service is enabled on the server and this works correctly all time. -- Best regards, Zygmunt Wereszczynski (Using The Bat! v3.5.33 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 with BayesIt! 0.8.1) Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.31 folder maintenance
Hello Charlene, It's not a bug. You must have a folder (any) selected. Maintenance is in _Folder_ menu, isn't it? So why can I run the whole bunch of folders to clean when just one is selected? I can anyway do clean up _all_ later on. One click on maintenance shows that all are marked to be cleaned. Makes no sense. I can see no reason why I should have marked one to be allowed to enter menu just to see that I can have it all one click later. You may be right. Maybe I should not have said It's not a bug but that I would have never considered this behaviour as a bug. What I mean is that, for options that I use only once or twice a day, I don't care at all if selecting the option is 1, 2 or 3 clicks away as long as I can access it and it works. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.0.31 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.31 folder maintenance
Hello Mary, Nice to see you, MIguel. :) You're seeing my 'rogue', not me ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.0.31 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.31 folder maintenance
Hello MAU! On Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 12:41 PM, you wrote: Nice to see you, MIguel. :) You're seeing my 'rogue', not me ;-) Yes, and your personality and intellect as they come across in your language, and in what you choose to respond to, and in how you construct your response. I knew you'd been gone and wanted to welcome you back. I missed you. :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.33 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Searching a faceplate for a Fujitsu MO drive MCG3064AP
Hello Alexander, Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 11:16:52 AM, you wrote: I set up a folder template that will put the list address in the TO field whenever I reply. That works - but only if the original sender is NOT in my addressbook (the addressbook group has a separate template). Any idea how I can avoid that? I'm thinking the most robust would be using if statements. Can you post the headers from one of the messages? Maybe to TBUDL instead. -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons Smileys:http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PHP Tutorials and snippets:http://www.DevTek.org Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
Hello Cees, Why the heck your message shows: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] when it should be to my [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? Just curious because it breaks my 'To me' VF filter. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.0.31 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
Het was op woensdag 29 juni 2005 om 19:45 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun' : Hallo MAU, M Hello Cees, M Why the heck your message shows: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] M when it should be to my [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? M Just curious because it breaks my 'To me' VF filter. ?? This is all Greek to me.. -- regards, Cees You're not too bright. I like that in a man. ___ The Bat! :bat2angel: 3.5.33 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: It worries me...
Hi Michael, In the message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] which was apparently written on Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 6:35:09 PM. I believe you wrote: Clearly the code has exceeded the developers' ability to manage it. ASK Are you a programmer? MA No I am not a programer...:) He may not be, but I know a few lurkers on this group are, me included. We've seen a lot of releases where strange odd things are broken, and it seems that a lot of unit tests usually done by the developer are either skipped or somehow successful where for so many of us it fails. Im losing faith in TB, when my friend who lurks here told me of it, I was awstruck, it was good in so many ways, now for what it did when I first arrived Ive needed nothing new, but, I upgraded, I regret upgrading as things I used, no longer do, and more things Im not after yet, have arrived. As a developer I do know how hard it is to write something to suit everyone, however, if you broke something that used to work, rather than add new stuff, its much better for the confidence of your userbase to fix the broke stuff, before adding new. We all understand breakages, stuff happens, but when it remains broken, and ignored.. quite often people report bugs because they used that feature, and now their usage is hampered. -- Best regards, Liz (mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Website: http://www.xcalibur.co.uk Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.31 folder maintenance
Hello Mary, Yes, and your personality and intellect as they come across in your language, and in what you choose to respond to, and in how you construct your response. That's because I'm lazy and I always choose the shortest response possible ;-) I knew you'd been gone and wanted to welcome you back. I missed you. :) And I missed you guys too, specially you :) But not much joy, I just took a little rest today. I'm still quite busy, I was in UK last week and will be going to Italy in a few days I think. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.0.31 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
Hello Cees, M Hello Cees, M Why the heck your message shows: In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] M when it should be to my [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? M Just curious because it breaks my 'To me' VF filter. ?? This is all Greek to me.. Sorry, there was no problem with your message. I now see it was a reply to Michael and not to me. It just happens that I received it much before I received Michael's message to which you replied. I guess TBbeta list server goes haywire sometimes :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.0.31 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
Hello Michael, :rofl2: That was the intention :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.0.31 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.31 folder maintenance
Hello MAU! On Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 1:03 PM, you wrote: And I missed you guys too, specially you :) :kissy: But not much joy, I just took a little rest today. I'm still quite busy, I was in UK last week and will be going to Italy in a few days I think. Better busy than not! Well, I have enjoyed reading you while you were resting, and I enjoyed our bit of conversation in re Charlene's complaint. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.33 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Searching a faceplate for a Fujitsu MO drive MCG3064AP
Hello Lars, 2. When creating a new email by double-clicking on an email address in an email within The Bat!, the context in which the source email resides should be used. I do this quite often and the folder template for new messages is used without problem. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.0.31 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
Het was op woensdag 29 juni 2005 om 20:07 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun' : Hallo MAU, M I guess TBbeta list server goes haywire sometimes :) sometimes I do too. then I'll take a beer, or a glass of whine, think of Charlene, and I feel great again! :-)) -- regards, Cees I can read your mind, and you should be ashamed of yourself. ___ The Bat! :bat2angel: 3.5.33 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
(OT) It worries me...
Liz wrote: As a developer I do know how hard it is to write something to suit everyone, however, if you broke something that used to work, rather than add new stuff, its much better for the confidence of your userbase to fix the broke stuff, before adding new. We all understand breakages, stuff happens, but when it remains broken, and ignored.. quite often people report bugs because they used that feature, and now their usage is hampered. I did not want to add to this already rather thick soup, but... my fingers itched :-) There is a detail here that we must not forget. RL indicated that they were doing a major code re-write (which sounds very much like a re-design: you only re-write major parts of your product if you decide you reached a limit, and a re-design is warranted). Usually, when a product reaches a milestone -- like a new version, re-design, whatever -- you branch on your source management tool. This means you create a new subtree, separate from the currently-available source code base. At this point in time work will then go on two radically different fronts: maintenance and support on the production (soon to be old) source code base, and development action on the new source code branch. As such, issues that have been discovered on the current support version *may* *not* be seen on the development version. Even more, if the development process gets to re-write major portions of the code, then the issue found on production code may not even be reproducible on development code. Also, usually development is left alone until a point in time when new (since the code branch) product issues are verified against the development, and the code bases are then synchronised. Obviously, as I pointed out earlier, sometimes you just cannot do it. And, of course, there are those that say development people live in a different world... having been on both sides of the fence (development and support), I have to say I agree with it. Also, every product issue is given a priority, and high-priority issues are worked on first. One way to give an issue higher priority is by showing the issue impacts negatively a large portion of the customer base. Issues that do not impact many customers, or that do not cause catastrophic failure of the product are, by consequence, left for later work. Take your own conclusions on how you can influence, folks. I am not saying, or even implying, this is what RL did, or does. I am just pointing out how this usually works on large development shops. I personally guess this is the *only* way this type of work can be done, in general... -- ..hggdh.. developers do not need rockets to reach the moon. I know. I have been there Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
Kali Spera Cees :) on 29-Jun-2005 at 19:50 you (Cees) wrote: This is all Greek to me.. In NL its GR? In DE its ES (when we say that what you said, I mean *g*) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Lovka's Freeway Axiom: The driver behind you wants to go 5 mph faster. Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
Hello Cees, then I'll take a beer, or a glass of whine, think of Charlene, and I feel great again! :-)) You drink whine or you whine while you drink? Or is it that you whine when you think of Charlene? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.0.31 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB Exchange issues
This is a confirmation of what's been reported by Vili and others: I can't send a message, either. It remains in the Outbox forever as it seems. I can send a message with a different account where I simply entered our Exchange server as smtp server, so it must be a problem with the MAPI communication. Seems to be sorted in .33 - I could send a message with that version today. Not at me. As at Zygmunt: MAPI connection, same error message as with v31. I have to admit, RL did not say they have fixed it :) -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.31 folder maintenance
Hello Mary, Better busy than not! Not if you get paid just the same ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.0.31 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
Hello Alexander, In NL its GR? In DE its ES (when we say that what you said, I mean *g*) And in ES it's CN. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.0.31 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.31 folder maintenance
Hello MAU! On Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 1:32 PM, you wrote: Better busy than not! Not if you get paid just the same ;-) :( That's a different kettle of fish! Well, may the Force be with you! :) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.5.33 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB Exchange issues
Hello Vili everyone else, on 29-Jun-2005 at 20:32 you (Vili) wrote: Not at me. As at Zygmunt: MAPI connection, same error message as with v31. Odd. Which way are you using TB with Exchange? I'm using it on a machine where I normally use Outlook (2003). We're running Exchange Server 2003 Standard at work. And, maybe you can answer the question: should I install TB as simple MAPI handler on that machine (Options | Prefs | Applications), or leave that setting alone? I have to admit, RL did not say they have fixed it :) I know, but... who knows. You know? ;-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) When Albert Einstein was on his deathbed, he uttered something in German. The attending nurse, unfortunately, did not speak German, and no one will ever know the great scientist's last words. Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Charlene ... nice subject! ;)
Het was op woensdag 29 juni 2005 om 20:31 uur dat jij iets schreef over 'SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun' : Hallo MAU, then I'll take a beer, or a glass of whine, think of Charlene, and I feel great again! :-)) M You drink whine or you whine while you drink? no my friend, I whine when I'm bored... M Or is it that you whine when you think of Charlene? ;-) Never! I'm whining when I realize that she's not available... :grin: -- regards, Cees Database administrators do it with their relations ___ The Bat! :bat2angel: 3.5.33 [A12F0392] running on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: It worries me...
On 7/29/05, Liz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've seen a lot of releases where strange odd things are broken, and it seems that a lot of unit tests usually done by the developer are either skipped or somehow successful where for so many of us it fails. With that said, I'm quite certain that regression testing in non-existent. Well, precluding this list ;-) As a developer I do know how hard it is to write something to suit everyone, however, if you broke something that used to work, rather than add new stuff, its much better for the confidence of your userbase to fix the broke stuff, before adding new. We all understand breakages, stuff happens, but when it remains broken, and ignored.. quite often people report bugs because they used that feature, and now their usage is hampered. Another concern of mine is the actual development strategy. Now, I know agile and XP methods are the new fad in development and are not suitable for everything, but it would benefit RL to adopt some of these practices. For example, saying the next beta series is going to address IMAP is unreasonable. IMAP is a big component and it's currently broken in a lot of ways. If instead RL broke things down into user stories, e.g., The user clicks the delete button and the message is removed immediately and worked on getting some of those accomplished in short, iterative cycles, they'd probably see much better results. As it is, when we see things such as IMAP fixes, the fixes are so disjoint from one another that it's not even clear what the focus was. Now, feel free to replace IMAP with any particular feature you'd like to see working. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB Exchange issues
Not at me. As at Zygmunt: MAPI connection, same error message as with v31. Odd. Which way are you using TB with Exchange? I'm using it on a machine where I normally use Outlook (2003). We're running Exchange Server 2003 Standard at work. Same here. And, maybe you can answer the question: should I install TB as simple MAPI handler on that machine (Options | Prefs | Applications), or leave that setting alone? You can try that... I dont remember, if I have done that or not.. We are using MAPI protocol (Account, Properties, Transfer), what do YOU use? I have to admit, RL did not say they have fixed it :) I know, but... who knows. You know? ;-) Yes, I know: they did not say it :)) (Just joking. No, I am not sure if they worked on it or not, but I am sure that they did not mention it :) -- Vili Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Searching a faceplate for a Fujitsu MO drive MCG3064AP
I do this quite often and the folder template for new messages is used without problem. Here not the folder (or account) template of the source email is used, but the template of the folder selected in the The Bat main window. If you read emails in a seperate window, the folder selection does not neededly match with the location of the source email. -- With best regards Lars Sölter The Bat! Version 3.5.33 Windows 2000 / Service Pack 4 (Build 2195) Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB Exchange issues
Hello Vili everyone else, on 29-Jun-2005 at 20:54 you (Vili) wrote: And, maybe you can answer the question: should I install TB as simple MAPI handler on that machine (Options | Prefs | Applications), or leave that setting alone? You can try that... I dont remember, if I have done that or not.. We are using MAPI protocol (Account, Properties, Transfer), what do YOU use? I'm using MAPI, too. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: Shellground (10:57) by Modula Green from the 1995 album 'Shellground' Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
Hi Cees, Wednesday, June 29, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : then I'll take a beer, cheers, though not my taste :) or a glass of whine, You know my likings :)) You encourage me to open a French Clairet, but I resist due to the temperatures. think of Charlene, and I feel great again! :-)) It is not often that I run out of words, but you caught me this time... Don't give any hints on that to my husband, please! -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Charlene ... nice subject! ;)
Hi Cees, Wednesday, June 29, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : M You drink whine or you whine while you drink? no my friend, I whine when I'm bored... Sometimes I think I'm a bit of a bore, but I hope I am never being boring someone at TBBETA. M Or is it that you whine when you think of Charlene? ;-) Never! I'm whining when I realize that she's not available... :grin: Hey, don't think that! I like being here on the list, so I am kind of available. So let us end this conversation at this point: raw fish, served at summer temperatures is not only smelling, it will bring tears to our eyes ;) -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Searching a faceplate for a Fujitsu MO drive MCG3064AP
Hello Lars, If you read emails in a seperate window, the folder selection does not neededly match with the location of the sou rce email. Ah! That may be the difference. I never use a separate window, I always use the message preview on the main window and, therefore, the proper folder is always selected -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5.0.31 on Windows 2000 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: It worries me...
On Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 1:54:02 PM, Kevin Menard wrote: Now, I know agile and XP methods are the new fad in development and are not suitable for everything, but it would benefit RL to adopt some of these practices. For example, saying the next beta series is going to address IMAP is unreasonable. IMAP is a big component and it's currently broken in a lot of ways. If instead RL broke things down into user stories, e.g., The user clicks the delete button and the message is removed immediately and worked on getting some of those accomplished in short, iterative cycles, they'd probably see much better results. It seems to me that the role of beta testers is to test, and the role of the programmers is to program and debug. I haven't written any code as a professional for a long time, and mostly in languages you can't even study any more. I understand there was some demand for people with my skills during the now forgotten Y2K era, but none now. I don't feel like it is my place to formulate the path and since I don't have a copy of the road map or of the code, I think I'll just keep testing, and try to help when I things seem broken. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.5.32 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.31 folder maintenance
Hi Dwight A Corrin, Tuesday, June 28, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : On Tuesday, June 28, 2005, 4:02:30 PM, Charlene Ferrara wrote: Please do not quote only one sentence, keep the sense alive. Sorry, I didn't mean to change gist of your message. I guess what happened was that I must have misunderstood it. I have to excuse for having been a bit harsh yesterday, I did not intend to use that cadence. -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
On Wed, 29 Jun 2005, at 21:12:58 [GMT +0200] (which was 21:12 where I live) Charlene Ferrara wrote: You encourage me to open a French Clairet, but I resist due to the temperatures. Clairet, is that Bordeaux? -- cheers, Henk M. de Bruijn __ The Bat! Natural E-Mail System version 3.5.33 Pro on Windows XP SP2 Request-PGP: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0x6C9F6CE78C32408B Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org A progressive and innovative Web of Trust pgpaplzFCB8PJ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.31 folder maintenance
On Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 3:17:59 PM, Charlene Ferrara wrote: I have to excuse for having been a bit harsh yesterday, I did not intend to use that cadence. It must have been the wine -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.5.32 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
when a folder is highlighted and one gets 'no message is loaded'
I thought it was probably coincidence or imagination yesterday when TB! started showing no message immediately after I sent a message, but it just happened again today. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.5.32 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: SOT: Looks like I'm missing all the fun
Hi Henk M. de Bruijn, Wednesday, June 29, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : You encourage me to open a French Clairet, but I resist due to the temperatures. Clairet, is that Bordeaux? The grapes are growing in that region, yes. That region once was under English governance, which had an indelible influence on the language. It was at the time of the Maid of Orleans (Jeanne d'Arc) when all started. Until today, the French have never lost that English influence at least concerning the language. The English called it clairet and the French rosé. Connoisseurs like you have proven their unique nose in unequivocal evidence! Congrats! -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.31 folder maintenance
Hi Dwight A Corrin, Wednesday, June 29, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : On Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 3:17:59 PM, Charlene Ferrara wrote: I have to excuse for having been a bit harsh yesterday, I did not intend to use that cadence. It must have been the wine Seems you think I drink like a fish?? There are days where my igniter cord is shorter than at other days. Must have been the temperature :)) From your answer I know that an excuse was appropriate... -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.5.31 folder maintenance
On Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 3:56:49 PM, Charlene Ferrara wrote: From your answer I know that an excuse was appropriate... No. I was a little taken aback but not offended, and I was able to sleep last night as well as usual. ;) -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.5.32 on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: It worries me...
On 6/29/05, Dwight A Corrin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't feel like it is my place to formulate the path and since I don't have a copy of the road map or of the code, I think I'll just keep testing, and try to help when I things seem broken. That's unfortunate. The customer should always formulate the path. Engineers operate in a closed world. I've run into it many times myself, so this isn't an RL-specific thing. Engineers will spend loads of time developing features that users don't want and never will use, while ignoring things that users actually want. There should be constant communication between the customer and the developer. The customer should say this is what we want and the developer should say okay, this is how long it will take to get there by taking such and such steps. As for beta testing, it's getting a bit old without any real regression testing going on. Every other beta, old fixed bugs creep back in, so we just end up reporting the same thing over and over again. -- Kevin Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
TB!3.5.33 a couple of bugs?
Hi folks... 1. could it be that the .33 version is not deleting postings on the server after picking up the newest ones? I have the option delete post after downloading it for all my pop3 accounts activated. But i noticed when getting new postings that i get something like: 15 posts on server 5 new - and then only 5 posts are downloaded. Looking at the pop3 account via webmail shows all old posts still there. 2. Template are not being used? I have set up a template for new messages for my TB folder in order to easily post here. But when clicking on my TB folder and then choosing new message it does not use this!! anybody confirm? -- Christian Grams =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Scanned with Copfilter Version 0.1.0beta6 (ProxSMTP 1.2.1) AntiVirus: ClamAV 0.86.1/960 - Wed Jun 29 06:31:06 2005 AntiVirus: F-PROT 4.5.4 Engine version: 3.16.6 SIGN.DEF 29 Jun05 - SIGN2.DEF 29 Jun05 - MACRO.DEF 29 Jun05 by Markus Madlener @ http://www.copfilter.org Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP: Long Pause when loading first message in large mailbox
On Wednesday, June 29, 2005 at 6:22:08 AM [GMT -0500], Tony Boom wrote: I'm rapidly getting upset now, how do you get your messages to load? As I had explained in another message unlike Mulberry.. TB! needs to update and propagate caches of the entire message list for each mailbox. If you haven't used TB! in a while, and your mailboxes are large, this could take a while to happen. Additionally, I have none of my mailboxes set to synchronize. I do most filtering server side. Otherwise, I just go about my business reading mail. I do nothing special. No gyrations, either at home or at work. This is just my personal experience with it at this time. -- -= Allie Martin =- The Bat! v3.5.33 System Specs: http://www.ac-martin.com/sysspecs.htm -=-=- Oxymoron: Simple Technology. Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB!3.5.33 a couple of bugs?
Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 5:54:16 PM, (Internet Time - @996) you wrote: Hello harlekin, hhed 2. hhed Template are not being used? hhed I have set up a template for new messages for my TB folder in order to hhed easily post here. But when clicking on my TB folder and then choosing hhed new message it does not use this!! hhed anybody confirm? Sorry could not confirm either of your observations. I just added the below template with both Reply and New for my Bat! Beta folder and as you can see they worked at intended. Maybe someone else can confirm. :worm: -- Best regards, Michael mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! Version 3.5.33 Windows XP Professional/5.1 Service Pack 2 (build 2600) on a Single/Athlon XP (Thoroughbred) Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: deete in thread
Howdy Stuart, Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 11:55:53 AM, Stuart wrotened: Is this already possible or would it be a new feature? SH That'd be a new feature. I've often wanted to do the same thing except SH to mark as read rather than delete. I'd second that... no wait third that i guess. -- Have Fun, | | |en is |\ohop [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.5.30 falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.70GHz 598 MHz 1.00GB RAM The voices may not be real, but they have some pretty good ideas. Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
doing as i'm told invalid html
Howdy Flying Rodent fans, html. invalid. forward to html. i did. -- Have Fun, | | |en is |\ohop [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.5.33 falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.70GHz 598 MHz 1.00GB RAM NIAGARA FALLS, NY - Stunt man Lucky Hinterman died while attempting to go over Niagara Falls in a barrel. Brother and equipment manager Brent Hinterman took full responsibility for the tragedy. I was in charge of getting the barrel all cushioned and reinforced. But my son had a soccer game, and in my book, family comes first. When asked if he considered his brother to be a member of the family, Brent said, Well, I suppose that's one way to look at it.attachment: invalid.jpg Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB!3.5.33 a couple of bugs?
Hello harlekin, Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 5:54:16 PM, you wrote: hhed 1. hhed could it be that the .33 version is not deleting postings on the hhed server after picking up the newest ones? hhed I have the option delete post after downloading it for all my pop3 hhed accounts activated. But i noticed when getting new postings that i get hhed something like: hhed 15 posts on server 5 new - and then only 5 posts are downloaded. hhed Looking at the pop3 account via webmail shows all old posts still hhed there. I don't know about the current version, but I just downloaded (on a second computer) about 25 messages that should have been deleted from the server when they were read on another machine. Oddly enough most of these messages were from Maxim, but not all. It may also have something to do with messages that do not seem to filter into the bat folder when I initially download them. It may be that these messages are not filtered nor marked for deletion. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5.33 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: deete in thread
Hello Alto, Wednesday, June 29, 2005, 5:39:56 AM, you wrote: AS Here, e.g. I choose message C1 and want to delete C1, D1, D2 and D3 in AS one go while leaving the rest of the messages. AS Is this already possible or would it be a new feature? What if you hold the shift key down while selecting the first and last messages you want to delete and then select delete. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.5.33 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current beta is 3.5.33 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
