Re: Unicode
Hi Edvinas, on Monday, December 12, 2005 at 08:48 you wrote in message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] among others: Go to Control panel / Regional and language options / Advanced (tab) / Language for non-unicode programs. I don't see there anything which could be translated from "advanced" and I don't see "Language for non-unicode programs"! It's with me shown all in German! You'll have to restart windows for the change to take effect. -- Best regards from Poland Roland pgpzm4aRhD441.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Unicode
Hi Roland, on Monday, December 12, 2005 at 09:16 you wrote in message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] among others: Go to Control panel / Regional and language options / Advanced (tab) / Language for non-unicode programs. I don't see there anything which could be translated from "advanced" and I don't see "Language for non-unicode programs"! It's with me shown all in German! Sorry, I found it now! You'll have to restart windows for the change to take effect. -- Best regards, Roland Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Cursor won't hold focus in Reply body text
Hello Mary, P.S. I'm manually typing in my rogue handle with this message, to see if it will travel. No, it did not. BTW, look at my signature :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Let's campaign for the implementation of a DRAFT folder
Hello all, First of all, I'd like to thank the many of you who have already supported the wish list item I logged yesterday at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Now, if you would really like it to be implemented, let's campaign about it. Tell your friends, wives husbands (one at a time ;), your cousins, nephews, your neighbours and their mother's in law, the barman in the pub around the corner, your boss,... ;-) One easy way is with your signature, see mine below :) -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
No Rogue pic in messages created in 3.63.09 [was Re: Cursor won't hold focus in Reply body text]
Hello MAU! On Monday, December 12, 2005, 5:15 AM, you wrote: P.S. I'm manually typing in my rogue handle with this message, to see if it will travel. No, it did not. Yes, I saw. Therefore the problem is not simply that .09 ignores the X-Rogue line in Address Book templates. BTW, look at my signature :) I love it. But which part? Your name? The Bat version you're running? Or, ta-da!: Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Yes!! And a lot of support notes are being put on that Wishes page! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Let's campaign for the implementation of a DRAFT folder
Hello MAU! On Monday, December 12, 2005, 5:30 AM, you wrote: First of all, I'd like to thank the many of you who have already supported the wish list item I logged yesterday at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Already an impressive number. I'm monitoring this wish. Now, if you would really like it to be implemented, let's campaign about it. Tell your friends, wives husbands (one at a time ;), your cousins, nephews, your neighbours and their mother's in law, the barman in the pub around the corner, your boss,... ;-) My cats. I told my cats. ;) One easy way is with your signature, see mine below :) Done! What a great idea!! -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Mary The Bat 3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Handles from address book don't work [was Re: (no subject)]
Hello Den! On Monday, December 12, 2005, 12:19 AM, you wrote: On this build handles from adress book doesn't work. Confirmed. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Mary The Bat 3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Roguemoticon test [Re: Cursor won't hold focus in Reply body text]
Hello Richard! On Monday, December 12, 2005, 1:34 AM, you wrote: DAC I think the problem depends on the version message is created DAC in, not version viewed in. Richard Wakeford's rogue shows fine, DAC your doesn't, mine won't. Yes, that's true and it doesn't matter which version it's viewed in. If it's sent with 09 then there just aren't any rogues viewable. Yes. But my point was that it isn't simply that v. 3.63.09 ignores the X-Rogue line in my Address Book templates. I demonstrated that by typing my handle ( :mary: ) into the X-Rogue field. The pic didn't travel and no X-Rogue field was created in the Sent message. I was trying to narrow down the possible cause of the omission--in other words, where in the 3.63.09 code is the error? It's a significant omission. I hate this bug. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Mary The Bat 3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Roguemoticon test [Re: Cursor won't hold focus in Reply body text]
Hello Richard! On Monday, December 12, 2005, 1:34 AM, you wrote: MB My conclusion: There's more going on here than non-activation of MB Reply template lines. Yes. I very quickly moved back to 08. Yet another little quirk with 09 that I didn't mention is the header background in the message edit box. With 09 it moved back to default white, I have mine a different colour. Ah. So it's likely in the code for the headers? There's also the issue of the missing CC and BCC tabs noted by MAU when the Mail Picker is called from the icon in the headers. So: 1)Faults in headers. 2)Faults in MicroEd code, which Maxim has posted is presently a work in progress. 3)Need for a Draft folder in connection with the new Outbox-Protection feature. Perhaps all these will be cleared up in the next beta. waiting hopefully -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Mary The Bat 3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Alternate e-mail addresses
Hello, tbbeta, Kind of off-topic... Would anyone support my feature request at BT? https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5358 With best regards. - TB! v.3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP Service Pack 2 v.5.1.2600, up 14 days, 4h 39m 35s - BayesIt! 0.8.4, MyMacros 1.11a, TBPajsMacro v.0.6.5.11 -- Konstantin Zhilenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]| ICQ: 7212604 | http://onyx.kiev.ua Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Let's campaign for the implementation of a DRAFT folder
Hello Mary, Now, if you would really like it to be implemented, let's campaign about it. Tell your friends, wives husbands (one at a time ;), your cousins, nephews, your neighbours and their mother's in law, the barman in the pub around the corner, your boss,... ;-) My cats. I told my cats. ;) And have they added a note? ;-) -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
filters and OTFE
Hello Tbbeta, Who did experience a trouble that filters and OTFE work in Password mode and don't work with hardware tokens (iKey or eToken)? How can we reproduce this? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: filters and OTFE
Hello all, Monday, December 12, 2005, Maxim Masiutin wrote: Who did experience a trouble that filters and OTFE work in Password mode and don't work with hardware tokens (iKey or eToken)? How can we reproduce this? I have tested it today, I have created filter with two actions - Flag the message and Move message to folder. In regular version, message is flagged an moved to specified folder. In OTFE version (both with passw and token) message is flagged, but is stored in Inbox, not in specified folder. Something is strange, because as You can see, Log says, message is processed by filter and stored to specified folder, even it doesn't. 12.12.2005, 15:15:58: FETCH - received message from xx (1420 bytes) (processed by filter Marek Mikus), URL: msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.63.10 (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Alternate e-mail addresses
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi, KZ Kind of off-topic... KZ Would anyone support my feature request at BT? KZ https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5358 It might be helpful if you also said what it's about. ;-) - -- MfG, AS mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: Crypt by Alto M. Speckhardt iQEVAwUBQ52HoksJWtsndbzVAQGGCgf+OGH3oRsPmlj6wlXvYey9qbA+LuiIeGF8 Ts3KRxiyDMhq10k13eFdhf73ursgInmFipCIm07HeVJZFQjdC7cTyK2Jd6mcOSTq H2UWrtPsYp5potNDg/7YE4TSLyY6qN6HFP/KT1xr80L7UZrU0dXwGTSfsMcSIYBG yxwDV9J/rnY7v3PINw5T36Ee+Jw6pXBWUkjReoc/9tUlOGkb22FuIvshO/ljy2UA jf4jMZ9BiLJvDZEm1JFmz5mcGgtDoNTtB7MYe2rVPdhRoGQC0GovTZc92yx67GVR RI2WtGdZ5wHkRtA5LSXxk5fqSIfSckeORCX9u8bcNslWEwu9wj0Ymg== =pKFJ -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Let's campaign for the implementation of a DRAFT folder
Hello MAU! On Monday, December 12, 2005, 8:06 AM, you wrote: Now, if you would really like it to be implemented, let's campaign about it. Tell your friends, wives husbands (one at a time ;), your cousins, nephews, your neighbours and their mother's in law, the barman in the pub around the corner, your boss,... ;-) My cats. I told my cats. ;) And have they added a note? ;-) I'm not sure whether felines are allowed an account there. If you think it would help, I could let MM sign under my name. /MM meowsupport *mm~ Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 MM/ ;) -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Mary The Bat 3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Alternate e-mail addresses
Hello, Alto, Monday, December 12, 2005, you wrote: KZ Would anyone support my feature request at BT? KZ https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5358 AS It might be helpful if you also said what it's about. ;-) I thought to support a wish one should open a link above. And there is a description. Surprise, huh? :) With best regards. - TB! v.3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP Service Pack 2 v.5.1.2600, up 14 days, 5h 16m 28s - BayesIt! 0.8.4, MyMacros 1.11a, TBPajsMacro v.0.6.5.11 -- Konstantin Zhilenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]| ICQ: 7212604 | http://onyx.kiev.ua Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Let's campaign for the implementation of a DRAFT folder
Hi MAU, Monday, December 12, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : First of all, I'd like to thank the many of you who have already supported the wish list item I logged yesterday... Thank you for this great idea, I strongly support this. See below ;) -- Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Let's campaign for the implementation of a DRAFT folder
Hello MAU, On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 12:30:20 +0100 GMT (12/12/2005, 18:30 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: M First of all, I'd like to thank the many of you who have already M supported the wish list item I logged yesterday at: M https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 I really hate to blow your bubble. I would like a draft folder too, but I don't see a priority. There are several bugs being discussed, and I am also compiling a list of half-implemented features, where the developers seem to have lost interest half-way through. Give me a few more days for that. -- Cheers, Thomas. The difference between a king and a president is that a king is the son of his father but a president is not. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 3.63.06 (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP - v3.63.09 Duplication
Hi Stuart, Sunday, December 11, 2005, 2:09:14 PM, you wrote: I have found that the latest beta is not stopping the duplicates as was supposed to have been fixed. Confirmations. I can confirm this. Seems to happen more on Inbox than anything else. IMAP Server - Courier 4.0.1 It's my own server, doesn't affect other clients. -- Jonathan Angliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpdTG96S11Pm.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP - v3.63.09 Duplication
Hello. Here's what Jonathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed on Monday, December 12, 2005 at 7:00:02 AM: I can confirm this. Seems to happen more on Inbox than anything else. This has been my experience as well. -- :R. It's time to pay the price. pgpQLkq3H4Hfm.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Alternate e-mail addresses
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hi, KZ Would anyone support my feature request at BT? KZ https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5358 AS It might be helpful if you also said what it's about. ;-) KZ I thought to support a wish one should open a link above. And there is a KZ description. Surprise, huh? :) You want me to start a browser, open a connection (dial in) and browse the RIT-Site just to find out what your issue is about in the first place? - -- MfG, AS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.2.2 Comment: Crypt by Alto M. Speckhardt iQEVAwUBQ52WVksJWtsndbzVAQH9xAgAwQ6HKxiFcsf59I5+ePjr54qAfmT/eAO+ 4TDtWiuonoig27+NuafyYD5urfw4ZRdbZoFrJDJlIvKPhHSfI3kILEF1Fae3M6yB C/+heZYbavKcFb8xSzH3VdocDPNRSE53ikiIOs9g6GS9SrWO1HGTSmrYlMZmaiFU p10yKHL88YYXR51zPWDnb+e9qXunWQzBtfc7IAnoId6r1GggiFsQ/etRoynXUHUJ 35+ed4xrxcbZZ2vy+k2cZBt8Kr/5R4mINrWaXa2CFpSvhlFer4UJtcRi79PH1a8E +0fD83bvF5AXWlrln/u10+WXMMhQq3OuEA379rHhsF0xFS3ABWf0/w== =xJFr -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Voyager: not working MailTicker
Hello, I have installed fresh Voyager from latest installation package and MailTicker doesn't work - when is mode Show Automatically selected, no MailTicker appears and when I set Show Allways, it appears, but it stays and displays 1 new messages text only. -- Thanks and Bye, Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.63.10 (Beta) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Many duplicates in Disable opening files field in Protection section of Preferences dialog
Hello,
do not know why, but TB is duplicating these extensions, I have this
in Disable opening files field:
*.EXE,*.COM,*.BAT,*.CMD,*.VBS,*.PL,*.BAS,*.JS,*.JAVA,*.REG,
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.DLL,*.SSH,*.CHM,*.HLP,*.LNK,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*}
--
Thanks and Bye,
Marek Mikus
Czech support of The Bat!
http://www.thebat.cz
Using the best The Bat! 3.63.10 (Beta)
under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1
Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line
Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information:
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Re: Many duplicates in Disable opening files field in Protection section of Preferences dialog
Hello Marek, On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 at 17:39:09 +0100, (which is 12.12.2005 at 18:39:09 +2000 where I live), you wrote: do not know why, but TB is duplicating these extensions, I have this in Disable opening files field: Confirmed. -- Best regards, Zeynel Abidin Öztürk :flag-turkey: Running The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) Translation of Turkish The Bat! Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Many duplicates in Disable opening files field in Protection section of Preferences dialog
Hello Marek Mikus everyone else,
on 12-Dez-2005 at 17:39 you (Marek Mikus) wrote:
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
Yes. Same here.
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Re: Let's campaign for the implementation of a DRAFT folder
Hello Thomas, M First of all, I'd like to thank the many of you who have already M supported the wish list item I logged yesterday at: M https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 I really hate to blow your bubble. I would like a draft folder too, but I don't see a priority. The Draft folder has been suggested/wanted for years and it could wait a few more. However, I would like to avoid the present solution introduced in 3.63.09 to be released, as that would probably mean a definitive no-no to a draft folder. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Let's campaign for the implementation of a DRAFT folder
Hello Mary, I'm not sure whether felines are allowed an account there. I think I've seen a couple of 'tigresses' who have already added a note ;-) -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Let's campaign for the implementation of a DRAFT folder
Hello Charlene, Thank you for this great idea, I strongly support this. See below ;) Which great idea? The Draft folder, the campaigning for it or both? ;-) -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Voyager: not working MailTicker
Hello Marek, Monday, December 12, 2005, 18:09:13, you wrote: I have installed fresh Voyager from latest installation package and MailTicker doesn't work - when is mode Show Automatically selected, no MailTicker appears and when I set Show Allways, it appears, but it stays and displays 1 new messages text only. Thank you, we've just fixed this bug. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Alternate e-mail addresses
Hello Konstantin, Would anyone support my feature request at BT? https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5358 I've just added a supporting note. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Many duplicates in Disable opening files field in Protection section of Preferences dialog
Hello Alexander,
on 12-Dez-2005 at 17:39 you (Marek Mikus) wrote:
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},*.PIF,*.SCR,*.SHS,*.{*},
Yes. Same here.
For some reason I have not received Marek's message.
Anyway, I have seen something funnier. If I place the cursor inside the
'Disable opening this files' window and scroll right with the Right
Arrow key, it will scroll endlessly and never reach the end.
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Re: Many duplicates in Disable opening files field in Protection section of Preferences dialog
Howdy Marek, Monday, December 12, 2005, 4:39:09 PM, Marek wrotened: MM Hello, MM do not know why, but TB is duplicating these extensions, I have this MM in Disable opening files field: confirmed. for when you really dont want to open a file -- Have Fun, Stan the Almighty! [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.70GHz 598 MHz 1.00GB RAM I don't care who you are, what you drive, or where you'd rather be. Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Let's campaign for the implementation of a DRAFT folder
Hi MAU, Monday, December 12, 2005 you were asking: Which great idea? The Draft folder, the campaigning for it or both? ;-) The wish to have a such folder and the idea to campaign it by adding a note below the signature. :) -- Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Fwd: Strange send behavior (ver 3.63.09)
Hello tbbeta, I just managed to get around to installing the .09 version and noticed this strangeness when I send a message (reply or new mail). I get the 'pop-up' message asking to save a copy of the message when I click send. This is the same dialog I see when I click to close a message without sending it. The message *is* sent ... and in fact will finish sending without waiting for me to select a response in the dialog box. 1.) if this is already reported, sorry. I didn't see it in a quick review by subject. 2.) is anyone else seeing this? If so, is this an expected behavior (i.e. a feature)? If so, can it be disabled? -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Fwd: Strange send behavior (ver 3.63.09)
Hello MikeD, 1.) if this is already reported, sorry. I didn't see it in a quick review by subject. Yes, it has been reported. 2.) is anyone else seeing this? Everyone. If so, is this an expected behavior (i.e. a feature)? No. If so, can it be disabled? I'm sure it will be. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Fwd: Strange send behavior (ver 3.63.09)
Hello MikeD! On Monday, December 12, 2005, 12:02 PM, you wrote: I get the 'pop-up' message asking to save a copy of the message when I click send. This is the same dialog I see when I click to close a message without sending it. The message *is* sent ... and in fact will finish sending without waiting for me to select a response in the dialog box. Confirmed. 1.) if this is already reported, sorry. I didn't see it in a quick review by subject. Many times. It is part of the behavior of the new Outbox Protection feature. 2.) is anyone else seeing this? If so, is this an expected behavior (i.e. a feature)? If so, can it be disabled? To my knowledge, can't be disabled. Perhaps working-as-designed, perhaps a bug. We hope it will be fixed in the next beta, because it can put you at risk (if you say Yes to Save the Message) of sending the same message twice when sending it twice was not your intention. The best solution to this would be to scrap the Outbox Protection feature (introduced in beta 3.63.09) and instead have a separate Draft folder, in addition to Outbox. Miguel has put a comprehensive Wish on BT to help get this Draft folder implemented. Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Mary The Bat 3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: TB! 3.63.08 Reply templates broken ?
Hello Mary, Sunday, December 11, 2005, 10:07:40 PM, you wrote: Yes. Confirmed with a handle template: I have the word sis set to call my sister's address to the To field on a New message. It did not kick in this morning, using v. 3.63.09 (Beta). confirmed. but this is called autocomplete, afaik. -- Best regards, vitaliemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Let's campaign for the implementation of a DRAFT folder
Hi MAU, Monday, December 12, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : I think I've seen a couple of 'tigresses' who have already added a note ...who will fight the alternative (= the present solution) tooth and nail! -- Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: filters and OTFE
Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! Someday, and that was in Monday evening, Peter wrote something like this: MM Who did experience a trouble that filters and OTFE work in Password mode MM and don't work with hardware tokens (iKey or eToken)? Me. Me to. The .63 serie is completely unusable here. .63.09 does not recognise my database at all and prompts me whether I want to create a new account or import a previously backuped one. .63.08 DOES recognise my database but ALL filters are disfunctional and it needs 5 MINUTES (!) to import 20 messages for tbbeta, all of them are stored in the INBOX afterwards. (See eMail to 9Val, including log snippet.) In addition sent messages remain in the OUBOX and are flagged as UNSENT, even if they had been sent successfully. Fully confirmed. All this with iKey. With eToken Pro. MM How can we reproduce this? I have not the foggiest idea ;) 3.62.14 works like a charme! Not in my TB. I have problems with new message templates in common folders. Don't recognize %To macro. When common folder template have %To specified and all rest is in Address Book in tbbeta contact when I want to create new message all fields must I manually fill. See attachment - commonfoldernew and contactnew. I have also problem with %Charset Macro - didn't work for us-ascii. For example all tbbeta messages I have in common folder with reply template %BLANK. In Address Book I have reply template for tbbeta contact like in attachment. My win is XP sp2 and like you see message is in win1250 not us-ascii. BTW win1250 is not enabled in encoding list in TB config. For example when I change in template ascii to utf-8 everything is fine. -- Thanks and best regards, Sebastian Murawski%ACCOUNT=S.Murawski - Pf.pl%- %FROM=Sebastian Murawski [EMAIL PROTECTED]%- %REPLYTO=Sebastian Murawski [EMAIL PROTECTED]%- %TO=%TO=TheBat! Beta List tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com%- %LANGUAGE=AM%- %CHARSET=utf-8%- %KeybLayout(PL)%- %QINCLUDE=subject%- Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! %WRAPJUSTIFY %WRAPPED=%QInclude='qo do mnie EN lists' %_quoText=%QInclude(quot)%- %_wrText=%QINCLUDE='q'%QINCLUDE(wr) %Cursor -- Thanks and best regards, %FromNamE %ACCOUNT=S.Murawski - Pf.pl%- %FROM=Sebastian Murawski [EMAIL PROTECTED]%- %REPLYTO=Sebastian Murawski [EMAIL PROTECTED]%- %TO=%TO=TheBat! Beta List tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com%- %CHARSET=utf-8%- %LANGUAGE=AM%- %KeybLayout(PL)%- Hello TheBat Beta List Members!!! %CURSOR -- Thanks and best regards, %FromName %TO=The Bat Beta List tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com %Cursor=Subject Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB! 3.63.08 Reply templates broken ?
Hello vitalie! On Monday, December 12, 2005, 12:59 PM, you wrote: Yes. Confirmed with a handle template: I have the word sis set to call my sister's address to the To field on a New message. It did not kick in this morning, using v. 3.63.09 (Beta). confirmed. but this is called autocomplete, afaik. No, it's from the nickname functionality. sis is replaced with my sister's address, which address does not include the word sis. Thank you very, very much for the confirmation. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Adress picker does not seem to work ...
Hi, In the latest build the adress picker (ALT+F8) does not seem to work. And something I just noticed ... when tabbing in header, the focus does not want to go in the body of the message, it just stay on the latest header field, Return-Path for me ... -- Greetings, Claude Renaud Skype : Name : renaud_claude Number : 0870 445 179 The Bat! Voyager 3.63.09 (BETA) running on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Fwd: Strange send behavior (ver 3.63.09)
Hello MAU Mary, Thanks for the confirmation. I have been somewhat busy with end of year and so have not been able to keep up as well as I would like. -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Adress picker does not seem to work ...
Hello Claude! On Monday, December 12, 2005, 2:05 PM, you wrote: In the latest build the adress picker (ALT+F8) does not seem to work. Confirmed. Already noted here by many posters. And something I just noticed ... when tabbing in header, the focus does not want to go in the body of the message, it just stay on the latest header field, Return-Path for me ... Also confirmed and noted by many. I have dropped back to beta v. 3.63.08 because of several other behaviors in .09 that were too annoying to live with: 1) The Save the Message box which pops up after a mail has been sent. 2) The broken Roguemoticon function. 3) The broken function to summon an address to the To field by typing a nickname. 4) The unstable cursor (not confirmed by anyone else, but very difficult to live with) when scrolling down past a long quote in a Reply. We can only wait for the next beta to be released. :) -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Fwd: Strange send behavior (ver 3.63.09)
Hello MikeD! On Monday, December 12, 2005, 2:36 PM, you wrote: Thanks for the confirmation. I have been somewhat busy with end of year and so have not been able to keep up as well as I would like. I for one fully understand. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: filters and OTFE
Hello Sebastian Murawski everyone else, on 12-Dez-2005 at 20:39 you (Sebastian Murawski) wrote: I have problems with new message templates in common folders. Once more ;-) http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5367 -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Let the great world spin forever... down the ringing grooves of change. (Alfred Lord Tennyson) Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Tbbeta, What's the point of th Drafts folder if there is draft per-message flag in the Outbox? There are mail clients that have a separate Drafts folder, but this is because they don't have an opportunity to park individual messages by the draft flag. We cal alter the outbox protection feature to automatically mark all messages copied to the outbox as draft. This will save from accidentally sending them. You will have to explicitly unpark them to send them out. -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutin mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: filters and OTFE
lunes, 12 dic 2005 at 17:26, it seems you wrote:
.63.08 DOES recognise my database but ALL filters are disfunctional and it
needs 5 MINUTES (!) to import 20 messages for tbbeta, all of them are stored
in the INBOX afterwards. (See eMail to 9Val, including log snippet.) In
addition sent messages remain in the OUBOX and are flagged as UNSENT, even
if they had been sent successfully.
Here works correctly partially.
Filters than move messages to a folder, filters for marking messages with
colors work correctly.
Filters for deleting messages using attachment names doesn't work as I
said in other post.
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Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
lunes, 12 dic 2005 at 22:27, it seems you wrote:
What's the point of th Drafts folder if there is draft per-message flag
in the Outbox?
There are mail clients that have a separate Drafts folder, but
this is because they don't have an opportunity to park
individual messages by the draft flag.
We cal alter the outbox protection feature to automatically
mark all messages copied to the outbox as draft. This
will save from accidentally sending them. You will have to
explicitly unpark them to send them out.
Well. It's another solution to the problem, and more easy to made for
Ritlabs.
But it's a solution for IMAP accounts? What about the server flags?,
what about cleaning the cache of the outbox (the flags should
disappear).
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Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Maxim, Monday, December 12, 2005, 9:27:58 PM, you wrote: What's the point of th Drafts folder if there is draft per-message flag in the Outbox? But that flag is not a draft flag it is a parked flag. How do I know looking at the flag if it is 1) a message that is finished waiting to go but is parked. or 2) A message that is not finished. There are mail clients that have a separate Drafts folder, but this is because they don't have an opportunity to park individual messages by the draft flag. We cal alter the outbox protection feature to automatically mark all messages copied to the outbox as draft. This will save from accidentally sending them. You will have to explicitly unpark them to send them out. This 'outbox protection feature' would be useful but it is no replacement for a draft folder. If a message is in the outbox it is ready to be sent. It might be parked because you do not want to send it now. If a message is draft folder it is there because it is not finished with. Both are very different trying to combine it with 'parked' messages in the outbox proves that you have not thought the different statuses that a message can go thought. I have asked for a draft folder since I started using the bat in beta (about ver 1.3 I think) I have not said anything recently about it because it has always fallen on deaf ears. - -- Bye, ___ David |David Elliott| Software Engineer| _| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID 0x650F4534 | | 2400 baud makes you want to get out and push| -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8 ckt Comment: Signed, Sealed, Delivered. :) iQA/AwUBQ53vp/mK8eZlD0U0EQIr2ACggrt5UsEUayLiEOFqGzjzMRgFJegAniPG DDHfTpz8/qGlDHGHeeWkKEk5 =1Elu -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello David, Monday, December 12, 2005, 11:46:08 PM, you wrote: But that flag is not a draft flag it is a parked flag. In the Outbox, there is no parked flag. There is only Draft flag in the Outbox. I have asked for a draft folder since I started using the bat in beta (about ver 1.3 I think) I have not said anything recently about it because it has always fallen on deaf ears. Yes, but why should we blindly copy feature to only accommodate habits of the users of these programs without deeper understanding of what's behind these features? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Maxim! On Monday, December 12, 2005, 3:27 PM, you wrote: What's the point of th Drafts folder if there is draft per-message flag in the Outbox? For one thing, I can't specify address templates in the Outbox, as folder template. Therefore, when I save a message in the Outbox, it alters my template specifications for signing PGP. The Account/Properties template kicks in for every message I put into the Outbox. In some of my Address Book templates, I have %Sign Complete, in some Sign and Encrypt and in some I have No Sign Complete. As soon as the message is in the Outbox, the Account template kicks in, over-riding my AB templates. For another, it is more convenient to have Draft messages filed together and not mixed in, where one has to hunt for them among messages waiting to be sent. There are mail clients that have a separate Drafts folder, but this is because they don't have an opportunity to park individual messages by the draft flag. I really appreciate the Park and the Flag functions which TB! offers. I would still prefer not to have my Draft messages mixed in with messages that are waiting to be sent. We cal alter the outbox protection feature to automatically mark all messages copied to the outbox as draft. This will save from accidentally sending them. You will have to explicitly unpark them to send them out. That would be better than nothing. Please do it. Another annoyance that came in with the outbox protection feature--and it kicks in when the feature is OFF: I'm talking about the Alert Box which appears *AFTER* the message in question has been sent, asking if one wants to Save the message. If one is not in the know and says Yes, the message will be placed in the Outbox a second time and wait to be sent a second time. Bad scene for those who use the merged Send and Receive capability. I really appreciate more than words can say your willingness to discuss the Draft folder implementation proposal and the new outbox protection feature with us here on TBBETA. I have dropped back to using version .08 because of the broken nickname function for the To field in the headers, because of that annoying time-consuming Save the message query popping up subsequent to every message I send--AFTER the message has already gone--because of the broken X-Rogue function in the headers, and because (not confirmed by anyone else) of the unstable cursor in MicroEd when I scroll down to the bottom of a long quote. That said, I was happy to test beta v. 3.63.09. And I look forward to at least some fixes of my concerns in the next beta release. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Mary, Monday, December 12, 2005, 12:05:31 AM, you wrote: For one thing, Your comments are amazing! Could you please post them to the appropriate BT entry to not make them lost? -- Best regards, Maxim Masiutinmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello David! On Monday, December 12, 2005, 3:46 PM, you wrote: What's the point of th Drafts folder if there is draft per-message flag in the Outbox? But that flag is not a draft flag it is a parked flag. How do I know looking at the flag if it is 1) a message that is finished waiting to go but is parked. or 2) A message that is not finished. Indeed!! There are mail clients that have a separate Drafts folder, but this is because they don't have an opportunity to park individual messages by the draft flag. We cal alter the outbox protection feature to automatically mark all messages copied to the outbox as draft. This will save from accidentally sending them. You will have to explicitly unpark them to send them out. This 'outbox protection feature' would be useful but it is no replacement for a draft folder. No, it is not in any way a replacement for a Draft folder. If a message is in the outbox it is ready to be sent. It might be parked because you do not want to send it now. If a message is draft folder it is there because it is not finished with. Both are very different trying to combine it with 'parked' messages in the outbox proves that you have not thought the different statuses that a message can go thought. Yes. David, this is very well said and well analyzed. I agree with every word you say. TB!'s folder structure should respect the different statuses that a message can go through. I myself need a separate Draft folder very, very greatly. And I need one that will not over-ride my address book templates, the way the Outbox currently does. I have asked for a draft folder since I started using the bat in beta (about ver 1.3 I think) I have not said anything recently about it because it has always fallen on deaf ears. Well, my ears have sharpened up! And I still think Miguel A. Urech's BT Wish is a good one and well worth RitLab's time to implement it. If anyone besides David is reading me here, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 . -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Maxim, We cal alter the outbox protection feature to automatically mark all messages copied to the outbox as draft. This will save from accidentally sending them. You will have to explicitly unpark them to send them out. I think, this is the solution. -- Vili Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Maxim Masiutin, I don't have a great preference about a draft folder. What I would like is a way to periodically save messages in the process of being created so, if there is a system or program crash while I am in the process of creating the message, I don't have to start over. Parking a copy of the message to the outbox as it is being sent serves no purpose as far as I can see. I have outgoing filters to put a copy in a specific place if I need to do that. I have asked for a draft folder since I started using the bat in beta (about ver 1.3 I think) I have not said anything recently about it because it has always fallen on deaf ears. Yes, but why should we blindly copy feature to only accommodate habits of the users You should not. What you should do is be thoughtful about how things should work. If you have really done that, the virtue will be apparent. -- Gleason Using The Bat! 3.63.09 on Windows XP Version 5.1 Build 2600. Connecting to the Fastmail server which uses Cyrus IMAP software. Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Maxim! On Monday, December 12, 2005, 4:00 PM, you wrote: But that flag is not a draft flag it is a parked flag. In the Outbox, there is no parked flag. There is only Draft flag in the Outbox. I think David was referring to your proposed change, to automatically Park every message that is saved to the Outbox. I have asked for a draft folder since I started using the bat in beta (about ver 1.3 I think) I have not said anything recently about it because it has always fallen on deaf ears. Yes, but why should we blindly copy feature to only accommodate habits of the users of these programs without deeper understanding of what's behind these features? It is not to accommodate habits I've brought here from other programs that I need a Draft folder. I have been using The Bat! for over three years now and have completely forgotten how the e-mail clients Eudora Pro 4.0 and Outlook Express used to work. The reason I need a Draft folder is to keep the two different statuses my messages may have separate: !) Saved, but still needing to be worked on. (Draft) 2) or Saved and ready to go, but I don't want to send it yet (Outbox, parked) And another reason I would find a Draft folder useful is that I anticipate its folder properties would not over-ride my Address Book templates. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Maxim! On Monday, December 12, 2005, 4:09 PM, you wrote: For one thing, Your comments are amazing! Could you please post them to the appropriate BT entry to not make them lost? Which do you think appropriate? To MAU'S BT wish, https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 , for the reasons I need a Draft folder? And perhaps a second BT Wish newly created by me that the Outbox not over-ride my Address Book templates? And another new Issue Report in regard to the annoying Alert box after the message has already been sent, Do you want to save the message? A totally useless pop-up, and a time-wasting one, and a dangerous one. I am not being sarcastic--I truly need your input here on where in BT I should report these needs. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Drafts folder - what's the point?
12/12/2005 5:35 PM Hi Mary, On 12/12/2005 Mary Bull wrote: MB Hello Maxim! MB On Monday, December 12, 2005, 4:09 PM, you wrote: For one thing, Your comments are amazing! Could you please post them to the appropriate BT entry to not make them lost? MB Which do you think appropriate? MB To MAU'S BT wish, MB https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 , MB for the reasons I need a Draft folder? MB And perhaps a second BT Wish newly created by me that the Outbox not MB over-ride my Address Book templates? MB And another new Issue Report in regard to the annoying Alert box after MB the message has already been sent, Do you want to save the message? MB A totally useless pop-up, and a time-wasting one, and a dangerous one. MB I am not being sarcastic--I truly need your input here on where in BT MB I should report these needs. Sounds real good to me! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.63.09 (BETA) on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP No OTFE Opera 9 Beta 1 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
On Monday, December 12, 2005, at 17:15:49 [UTC-0500] (Monday, December 12, 2005 23:15 my local time) Gleason Pace wrote: I don't have a great preference about a draft folder. Me too, because present solution is convenient for me. However, arguments for having Draft folder given by Mary are serious and I am not against them. What I would like is a way to periodically save messages in the process of being created so, if there is a system or program crash while I am in the process of creating the message, I don't have to start over. Such feature exists in The Bat! since a long time. This is Auto-save every [xx] sec option in Editor preferences section of TB Preferences dialog. -- Best regards, Zygmunt Wereszczynski (Using The Bat! v3.63.08 (Beta) in OTFE mode with BayesIt! 0.8.4 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4) Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Paul, mm There are mail clients that have a separate Drafts folder, but mm this is because they don't have an opportunity to park mm individual messages by the draft flag. The problem with Parking in the Outbox is that it is abnormal and non-intuitive. It is a difficult concept to explain to experienced and novice users. I personally like it but it doesn't suit most users. It is not even necessary to explain a Drafts folder to the users because it is intuitive. Fully agree. I think I've said the same with other words. MM We cal alter the outbox protection feature to automatically MM mark all messages copied to the outbox as draft. This will save MM from accidentally sending them. You will have to explicitly unpark them to send them out. If you implement this nonsense you have lost me and all of my customers that are your customers. Get over the pride of authorship ego trip and make it work for the majority of people. It is not a security issue. It is a user interface issue and it needs to work for the users, not the programmers. I know this is blunt. It seems that it is necessary and I have enough courage to say what needed to be said. If you hate me but it makes TB! a better product, so be it. Again fully agree. Except that even if they implement this nonsense they will not loose me as a user. With or without this 'nonsense' implemented there is nothing out there that can replace TB. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Maxim, But that flag is not a draft flag it is a parked flag. In the Outbox, there is no parked flag. There is only Draft flag in the Outbox. Come on Maxim, think what you say and not just say what you think. Why if it is a 'Drafts' flag you cannot delete the message and you get a warning? Is there any logic in periodically saving in _Outbox_ a message you are composing? I know it won't go out, but what's the logic of saving it in Outbox and not anywhere else, for example in a Drafts folder? -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
On Mon, Dec 12, 2005 at 11:58:01PM +0100, MAU wrote: As I say in my BT wish, it should never be possible to Copy or Move messages to the Outbox, either manually or by filters. This is what your corporate users are actually asking for. Is there any logical reason to copy or move messages to Outbox? Is it logical that an Incoming filter (or any type of filter) can copy and move messages to the Outbox? Is it logical that 'Alternative deletion' in folder Properties can move *deleted* messages to Outbox? What's the _logic_ for all of this? Please enlighten me if I'm being blind. I can't and won't comment about filters being able to copy/move to Outbox, let me ask you, why I should not be able to manually copy a message to Outbox? Where's the enforcing necessity to forbid me, as an adult, well-informed, tech-freaky user, to resend a message by simply copying it from Sent to Outbox? Maybe I got a bounce, because the destination server was down, I checked back, it's up again and I'm simply to lazy to search for Resend menu entry ... I simply want to make the message appear in Outbox again, and being sent after I unparked it. My decision, my responsibility. No need to castrate a program and prevent me from doing so, without really exigent reasons ... What's the logic and intuitiveness of an outbox protection feature? Whether you like it or not, it is just a 'little dirty trick' or 'temporary fix with masking tape' to solve something (I don't know if completely or just partially) that would would more logically, elegantly, intuitively and completely be solved with the addition of a Drafts folder. How does a Drafts folder plays with my Resend-issue? Don't get me wrong, I'm not arguing against a Draft-folder. For sure it's a good thing for a lot of Draft-issues, but it's not contrary to Outbox protection feature :-) It's OPFv2 ;-) -- Best regards, Peter Palmreuther Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello David, What's the point of th Drafts folder if there is draft per-message flag in the Outbox? But that flag is not a draft flag it is a parked flag. How do I know looking at the flag if it is 1) a message that is finished waiting to go but is parked. or 2) A message that is not finished. Correct, there is no difference. This 'outbox protection feature' would be useful but it is no replacement for a draft folder. If a message is in the outbox it is ready to be sent. It might be parked because you do not want to send it now. If a message is draft folder it is there because it is not finished with. Both are very different trying to combine it with 'parked' messages in the outbox proves that you have not thought the different statuses that a message can go thought. Correct again and fully agree. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB! 3.63.08 Reply templates broken ?
Hello Mary, confirmed. but this is called autocomplete, afaik. No, it's from the nickname functionality. sis is replaced with my sister's address, which address does not include the word sis Hmmm, I never paid attention to what nicknames in AB were for. Nice feature :) -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Drafts folder - what's the point?
12/12/2005 6:32 PM Hi MAU, On 12/12/2005 MAU wrote: M Hello Maxim, What's the point of th Drafts folder if there is draft per-message flag in the Outbox? There are mail clients that have a separate Drafts folder, but this is because they don't have an opportunity to park individual messages by the draft flag. M It is a matter of concept, elegance, clearness and intuitiveness. Even M the most novice users would understand from the beginning what the M Outbox and Drafts folders are for, not just because other email clients M use them but because it is quite logical and intuitive. Maybe that's M exactly why other email clients use them, not because they are unable to M implement the draft-park flag. M As David Eliot says is his reply to you, Outbox is (should be) for M messages that are ready to be sent, and if you Park any of them it M probably is because, for whatever reason, you what to hold sending them M until a later time but not because they are drafts. How can you tell the M difference between 'parked' and 'draft'? M As I say in my BT wish, it should never be possible to Copy or Move M messages to the Outbox, either manually or by filters. This is what your M corporate users are actually asking for. Is there any logical reason to M copy or move messages to Outbox? Is it logical that an Incoming filter M (or any type of filter) can copy and move messages to the Outbox? Is it M logical that 'Alternative deletion' in folder Properties can move M *deleted* messages to Outbox? What's the _logic_ for all of this? Please M enlighten me if I'm being blind. We cal alter the outbox protection feature to automatically mark all messages copied to the outbox as draft. This will save from accidentally sending them. You will have to explicitly unpark them to send them out. M What's the logic and intuitiveness of an outbox protection feature? M Whether you like it or not, it is just a 'little dirty trick' or M 'temporary fix with masking tape' to solve something (I don't know if M completely or just partially) that would would more logically, M elegantly, intuitively and completely be solved with the addition of a M Drafts folder. M Again, please enlighten me if I'm being blind and not seeing something. You are not the blind one in this equation. One of the very valuable contributions the beta-bats provide is perspective from dealing with a variety of people in all types of environments. Those of us blessed to work with people from many cultures bring a perspective that is not possible to obtain in the development environment. As a database applications developer and self-employed consultant since 1989 working in many countries all over the world I have been hit with many perspectives from the folks who use the programs. It is for them we work, not for ourselves. Why? Because they pay the bills! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.63.09 (BETA) on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP No OTFE Opera 9 Beta 1 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Drafts folder - what's the point?
12/12/2005 6:39 PM Hi MAU, On 12/12/2005 MAU wrote: M Again fully agree. Except that even if they implement this nonsense they M will not loose me as a user. With or without this 'nonsense' implemented M there is nothing out there that can replace TB. So True.. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.63.09 (BETA) on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP No OTFE Opera 9 Beta 1 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Zygmunt Wereszczynski [EMAIL PROTECTED] What I would like is a way to periodically save messages in the process of being created so, if there is a system or program crash while I am in the process of creating the message, I don't have to start over. Such feature exists in The Bat! since a long time. This is Auto-save every [xx] sec option in Editor preferences section of TB Preferences dialog. The last time I tried to use this, TB placed a series of copies of the message in the outbox with parked flags. It seems to me that a copy of the message in its most recent form would be sufficient. Also, once the message has been successfully sent, the draft copy should vanish. -- Gleason Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Mary, Monday, December 12, 2005, 10:21:09 PM, you wrote: But that flag is not a draft flag it is a parked flag. In the Outbox, there is no parked flag. There is only Draft flag in the Outbox. I think David was referring to your proposed change, to automatically Park every message that is saved to the Outbox. No actually it is a 'parked' flag when the message is in the outbox. Maxim (and others) may call it a 'draft' flag. Even the Bat calls it a parked flag in some places. I have asked for a draft folder since I started using the bat in beta (about ver 1.3 I think) I have not said anything recently about it because it has always fallen on deaf ears. Yes, but why should we blindly copy feature to only accommodate habits of the users of these programs without deeper understanding of what's behind these features? There is a reason why every other email client has a draft folder, and it will not be because they are copying each other. It is not to accommodate habits I've brought here from other programs that I need a Draft folder. I have been using The Bat! for over three years now and have completely forgotten how the e-mail clients Eudora Pro 4.0 and Outlook Express used to work. The reason I need a Draft folder is to keep the two different statuses my messages may have separate: !) Saved, but still needing to be worked on. (Draft) 2) or Saved and ready to go, but I don't want to send it yet (Outbox, parked) This is my main reason for wanting this feature. When I receive a number of email (It can be 500+ in one go) I usually hit the reply to button for the ones that need an answer and then immediately save the message as draft. After I have gone thought all my new messages I then go back to my Draft folder (yes I have creates one) and then proceed to edit all the draft messages and then hit send. I also have a number of messages that are finished but I don't want to send, these messages in different status get confused as there is no difference as far as the bat is aware. And another reason I would find a Draft folder useful is that I anticipate its folder properties would not over-ride my Address Book templates. - -- Cheers, ___ David |David Elliott| Software Engineer| _| [EMAIL PROTECTED] | PGP Key ID 0x650F4534 | | Shall I activate the Tantalus Field? Mareau-2 | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 6.5.8 ckt Comment: Signed, Sealed, Delivered. :) iQA/AwUBQ54AuvmK8eZlD0U0EQIRXgCg59yCReNekoGhr1DIEaut4lE3m+MAoKZq W9ND/h6Ws1hCSpfd7qmaMyrZ =BXEa -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Maxim, What's the point of th Drafts folder if there is draft per-message flag in the Outbox? There are mail clients that have a separate Drafts folder, but this is because they don't have an opportunity to park individual messages by the draft flag. It is a matter of concept, elegance, clearness and intuitiveness. Even the most novice users would understand from the beginning what the Outbox and Drafts folders are for, not just because other email clients use them but because it is quite logical and intuitive. Maybe that's exactly why other email clients use them, not because they are unable to implement the draft-park flag. As David Eliot says is his reply to you, Outbox is (should be) for messages that are ready to be sent, and if you Park any of them it probably is because, for whatever reason, you what to hold sending them until a later time but not because they are drafts. How can you tell the difference between 'parked' and 'draft'? As I say in my BT wish, it should never be possible to Copy or Move messages to the Outbox, either manually or by filters. This is what your corporate users are actually asking for. Is there any logical reason to copy or move messages to Outbox? Is it logical that an Incoming filter (or any type of filter) can copy and move messages to the Outbox? Is it logical that 'Alternative deletion' in folder Properties can move *deleted* messages to Outbox? What's the _logic_ for all of this? Please enlighten me if I'm being blind. We cal alter the outbox protection feature to automatically mark all messages copied to the outbox as draft. This will save from accidentally sending them. You will have to explicitly unpark them to send them out. What's the logic and intuitiveness of an outbox protection feature? Whether you like it or not, it is just a 'little dirty trick' or 'temporary fix with masking tape' to solve something (I don't know if completely or just partially) that would would more logically, elegantly, intuitively and completely be solved with the addition of a Drafts folder. Again, please enlighten me if I'm being blind and not seeing something. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
12/12/2005 4:49 PM Hi Maxim, On 12/12/2005 Maxim Masiutin wrote: mm There are mail clients that have a separate Drafts folder, but mm this is because they don't have an opportunity to park mm individual messages by the draft flag. The problem with Parking in the Outbox is that it is abnormal and non-intuitive. It is a difficult concept to explain to experienced and novice users. I personally like it but it doesn't suit most users. It is not even necessary to explain a Drafts folder to the users because it is intuitive. MM We cal alter the outbox protection feature to automatically MM mark all messages copied to the outbox as draft. This will save MM from accidentally sending them. You will have to explicitly unpark them to send them out. If you implement this nonsense you have lost me and all of my customers that are your customers. Get over the pride of authorship ego trip and make it work for the majority of people. It is not a security issue. It is a user interface issue and it needs to work for the users, not the programmers. I know this is blunt. It seems that it is necessary and I have enough courage to say what needed to be said. If you hate me but it makes TB! a better product, so be it. Thank You Very Much! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.63.09 (BETA) on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP No OTFE Opera 9 Beta 1 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Paul! On Monday, December 12, 2005, 4:35 PM, you wrote: MB I am not being sarcastic--I truly need your input here on where MB in BT I should report these needs. Sounds real good to me! Thanks, Paul. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Let's campaign for the implementation of a DRAFT folder
Hello Charlene, I think I've seen a couple of 'tigresses' who have already added a note ...who will fight the alternative (= the present solution) tooth and nail! See mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] from Maxim. There you have your first chance ;-) -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB! 3.63.08 Reply templates broken ?
Hello MAU, Hmmm, I never paid attention to what nicknames in AB were for. Nice feature :) What you are using the AB for? SCNR Regards Dirk -- The Bat! 3.62.13 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB! 3.63.08 Reply templates broken ?
Hello MAU! On Monday, December 12, 2005, 5:38 PM, you wrote: confirmed. but this is called autocomplete, afaik. No, it's from the nickname functionality. sis is replaced with my sister's address, which address does not include the word sis Hmmm, I never paid attention to what nicknames in AB were for. Nice feature :) I have really enjoyed and appreciated it. It has saved me from one of the dangers of autocomplete--that it might complete an address to a public list when you have set out to type in a Private Mail address. Get in a hurry--and autocomplete is as dangerous as a folder template. ;) -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Peter, I can't and won't comment about filters being able to copy/move to Outbox, let me ask you, why I should not be able to manually copy a message to Outbox? Where's the enforcing necessity to forbid me, as an adult, well-informed, tech-freaky user, to resend a message by simply copying it from Sent to Outbox? Maybe I got a bounce, because the destination server was down, I checked back, it's up again and I'm simply to lazy to search for Resend menu entry ... I simply want to make the message appear in Outbox again, and being sent after I unparked it. My decision, my responsibility. No need to castrate a program and prevent me from doing so, without really exigent reasons ... As a well-informed adult, shouldn't you think about all users and not just of yourself? And as a tech-freaky user, even a lazy one, or precisely because of being lazy, why don't you use Customise to put Re-send in you RMB context menu? This way Re-send will be easier (and less energy consuming for you) than copying to Outbox. Or maybe as a tech-freaky user you don't like to use the mouse and prefer keyboard shortcuts. If so, what's wrong with remembering and using Shift+F6? Yes, I know you have said that you want to re-send the message but not really, you want to move to outbox but keep it parked until you really want to re-send it. Let me ask you something, how many times a day do you do that on the average? ;-) -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: TB! 3.63.08 Reply templates broken ?
Hello Dirk, Hmmm, I never paid attention to what nicknames in AB were for. Nice feature :) What you are using the AB for? SCNR Just for birthdays ;-) -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Paul, We cal alter the outbox protection feature to automatically mark all messages copied to the outbox as draft. This will save from accidentally sending them. You will have to explicitly unpark them to send them out. M What's the logic and intuitiveness of an outbox protection feature? M Whether you like it or not, it is just a 'little dirty trick' or M 'temporary fix with masking tape' to solve something (I don't know if M completely or just partially) that would would more logically, M elegantly, intuitively and completely be solved with the addition of a M Drafts folder. M Again, please enlighten me if I'm being blind and not seeing something. You are not the blind one in this equation. I think no one is blind, it is just that we are looking through glasses of different colours. However, with this type of issues I try to take my glasses off and look at how things really _are_. I personally don't need a Drafts folder, I can perfectly live without it and with or without the outbox protection feature. But just like with snow, that if you take your sunglasses off you can see it is white and not yellow or green, I really believe that the proposed Drafts folder solution is much more logical, elegant and intuitive for everyone, that the outbox protection feature. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hi MAU, Monday, December 12, 2005, 11:26:08 PM, you wrote: Is there any logic in periodically saving in _Outbox_ a message you are composing? I know it won't go out, but what's the logic of saving it in Outbox and not anywhere else, for example in a Drafts folder? I agree, it seems to me illogical from a new users point of view. Its rather like half writing a letter and then folding it and putting it amongst the pile of letters to be posted. Why not simply leave it on the writing table, where it is easy to find and obvious that it is a draft? -- Warmest regards, Paul Created using TheBat! 3.62.14 on Windows XP Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
3.63.09: You cannot leave To: field blank
Hello all, Please look at attached GIF, I got this warning when clicking Send. Annoying, ain't it? -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 To_blank.png Description: PNG image Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.63.09: You cannot leave To: field blank
Hallo Miguel, On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 01:58:13 +0100GMT (13-12-2005, 1:58 +0100, where I live), you wrote: M Please look at attached GIF, I got this warning when clicking Send. M Annoying, ain't it? Personally I prefer the old text: --- Confirm --- The subject field is empty. Though this field can be left empty, it is recommended to type something in there because it shows your respect to the Netiquette. Do you wish to continue? --- Yes No Cancel --- -- Groetjes, Roelof The Innocent, the Eager, and the Doomed. The Bat! 3.63.08 (Beta) Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpyJzBsRlD8h.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.63.09: You cannot leave To: field blank
Hello MAU, Sorry, I wasn't patient enough to wait for moderators to approve my previous message (attachment was over 50 KB) and I re-sent it with a smaller PNG. Please look at attached GIF, I got this warning when clicking Send. Annoying, ain't it? Now look at the new attachment about Subject. Has anyone else seen any of these warnings? Also, pay attention to the CC field. It looks like it is (will be) possible to enter multiple lines in the address fields. It seems that it is not working 100% yet though. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Subject_blank.png Description: PNG image Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.63.09: You cannot leave To: field blank
Hello Roelof, M Please look at attached GIF, I got this warning when clicking Send. M Annoying, ain't it? Personally I prefer the old text: --- Confirm --- The subject field is empty. Though this field can be left empty, it is recommended to type something in there because it shows your respect to the Netiquette. Do you wish to continue? --- Yes No Cancel --- Now, you are also annoying me! It is about the To: field, and the annoying thing is that the To field /was not/ empty. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.63.09: You cannot leave To: field blank
Hello Roelof, I'm definitely off to bed. I'm reading things that aren't written. :- Wait, I've just sent another one about the subject :) -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.63.09: No right click context menu in header field of Editor
Hello Marek, When right clicking on any header field of editor, you should at least get the typical Cut/Copy/Paste menu plus, if you are in To, CC or BCC you should get your Favourites added to the menu, correct? Well, no context menu at all is shown in this versions when right clicking. Any confirmations? yes, new editor header control is here and has other issues, it was not annouced, so we should wait for comment from developers. Yes, it has other issues. Like the RMB context menu is not shown when you click on the left area to select which headers to display, or like clicking on an address header name (To, CC, BCC) does not bring up the AB as it should. -- Best regards, Please support the wish for a 'Draft' folder at: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5441 Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.63.09: Auto-complete drop-down lists for addresses and subject
Hello MAU! On Monday, December 12, 2005, 7:35 PM, you wrote: I think this is a new feature, at least I had not seen it before. When I start typing a name or address in the To, CC, or BCC fields, or a text in the Subject field, I get a drop-down list of this history entries that so far match what I am typing. This drop-down list reduces as I keep typing because there are less matches. Nice feature!! But should be optional However, it is annoying for me because I have auto-complete set to Default address book only, so history should not be used, and I do NOT have 'Automatically complete subject from history' selected, so history should not be used either. This may just be 'the bug'. Can anyone confirm? Confirmed. It had been getting in my way, on .09, because I was using Write a message to this address and erasing the organization info for a neater To field, and all those alternate history choices dropped down. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat 3.63.08 (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.63.09: You cannot leave To: field blank
On Monday, December 12, 2005, 6:58:13 PM, MAU wrote: Please look at attached GIF, I got this warning when clicking Send. Annoying, ain't it? had same experience. there are lots of flaws in .09. Still the most annoying is how often I zap the to field and have to start over with replys. And with new messages having to use the mouse to get from subject to the message pane instead of just being able to tab. well let me re-quantify degrees of annoyance, make to field zapping number to and 'save this message?' number 1 -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
On Monday, December 12, 2005, 4:58:01 PM, MAU wrote: As I say in my BT wish, it should never be possible to Copy or Move messages to the Outbox, either manually or by filters. I do have to disagree here. I belong to lists with addresses from which I can't post, but which must be the sender. The only cure to that is to compose the message with that account, and put the message in that outbox. Then you have to drag the message from that outbox to the outbox of the e-mail account which the smtp server where you are writing will accept. This is less of a problem now as I continue my transition to IMAP, but I have dragged lots of messages from outbox to outbox so that they don't bounce when they get to this or other lists over the years. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using IMAP with The Bat! 3.63.09 (Beta) on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Hello Peter, On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, at 00:28:24 [GMT +0100] (which was 6:28:24 PM in NY, USA) Peter Palmreuther wrote: My decision, my responsibility. No need to castrate a program and prevent me from doing so, without really exigent reasons Very well said! As for the Drafts folder proposal, why can't one just create a folder called drafts and drag the saved as draft message to it? It's very intuitive that way since you simply drag into-it :) It's certainly no more time consuming than jumping through the hoops that the should never be possible type features place before me. -- Best regards, James Senick Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Maxim... On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 23:27:58 +0200, you wrote: We cal alter the outbox protection feature to automatically mark all messages copied to the outbox as draft. This will save from accidentally sending them. You will have to explicitly unpark them to send them out. For an alternative end solution instead of having a Drafts folder, I think your suggestion here is a good one. It is something that would still be characteristic of TB's style and not be another standard Drafts folder as some other email clients offer. -- steverio TB!v3.62.14 TBV!v3.63.09 Windows XP Pro 5.1 Build 2600 SP2 OTFE Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Drafts folder - what's the point?
Gleason, On 13-12-2005 00:00, you [GP] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: GP The last time I tried to use this, TB placed a series of copies of GP the message in the outbox with parked flags. It seems to me that a GP copy of the message in its most recent form would be sufficient. GP Also, once the message has been successfully sent, the draft copy GP should vanish. You're using IMAP, right? In IMAP it doesn't work properly! -- greeting Best regards /greeting author Peter Fjelsten /author thebat version 3.62.12 Pro /thebat version env. ~4 POP3, 7 IMAP (UW IMAP 2002e) 1 IMAP (Exchange 6.5), 175K msgs. /env. os Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 /os Current beta is 3.63.09 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
